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To: Mark Millard , Lexi Winter , FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <9332A517-40F0-477C-A30B-D1629E9F18A0.ref@yahoo.com> <9332A517-40F0-477C-A30B-D1629E9F18A0@yahoo.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Colin Percival Autocrypt: addr=cperciva@freebsd.org; keydata= xsFNBGWMSrYBEACdWRqDn3B3SKO7IG0/fGHYtfs26f3Q5QeAcasy1fQLniwGQWn5rlILhbCD K/jdNoDm5Zxq20eqyffoDNObCjnHgg4tGANdi+RmDy+7CDpE789H8dss9y7Pt5DlGGAXQQnt hxush3EYS/Ctprd9UUL/lzOOLOU1aNtzB84tNrJBtcJmL7OYHfyTSNFxvedqJrrasejIQOLI t/DQ89BPzz+vsKHz7FJPXh3fsVkzLA00DJYcfkgxyABfJNA7U6yMwd4DVSdx/SsvfIDMVXnu UXCXswo106WPZbYGlZPpq0wW6iibtTerJix+8AeuwXvl9O1p8yESK4ErkIxCnmghTSz+pdzj z/6xBRkdDM9VdZ0r+CzsaNXMpDOzFuKyjaiYBdgCLljbDnXIHFcqXenrZ7Xwkm09g/M4uVSh pIUG2RYa6tsHSQoGCp3f2RZv1znfViKQFbbL83QjtPA20AhseZSYbHp1FPhXyy9J0wkGL16L e99g6gdGeIRE82BZjBjKGDkoyDPq+oDRSFl8NtzmIKy+cfz00nViqcTF4bREXEawFGhlpO0X O9q8mijI9iFB6zaPBiSdJGBL5ML5qLTNCl8Zlf4m1TBvmRTqF/lzMHVXHidDoUhpSh/y3AFZ 1KrYc27ztJQywDJPJPWPbtY8YhFLFs377gfP8WldsZjzp8nvoQARAQABzSVDb2xpbiBQZXJj aXZhbCA8Y3BlcmNpdmFARnJlZUJTRC5vcmc+wsGRBBMBCAA7FiEEglY7hNBiDtwN+4ZBOJfy 4i5lrT8FAmWMSrYCGwMICwkNCAwHCwMFFQoJCAsFFgMCAQACHgUCF4AACgkQOJfy4i5lrT++ ig/9GZKdN2fHSyrANKZX38ivd7IX2wAYouqH9DrQM94W8IciaDLmarN4Pl9mY+aucMwQUSyp uNtKOJwKqhVVaalF9Zw0sRMH4CJuvT7vKCtZ3q1Okb7soRvFte4d+vXhvPxCvBFDA5JzU7Lg DR5eqqcvF1dN1OuCq16pl0zCOSH/Jr5ToE3LM3Av1KBGcZD7ZSzHRWsFjV5AOUJKySuA3GwJ e/jASQcQ0YfCnru8ntLmYg/2SKvZFlfthZiCBnAppMt4n4BUAw3TDvf10HIDtdneejawcbLS gofLCvGqumwbZYAMKWrFzT4+7KQvr0pOw8QD7EbxnB4f9hQ7UiVF8qWsyKU3iv6b5JLhbS59 ooKRccyOvdMLcVJ0ZdpqoxrNv061ZUqLL5RiWjBlc1qjBnDxeg5oyM0rT8WLftdgvyH6RQt0 KWngumBAT5AT2DUYL8Uz1490cqfO9K4yEGZAJB9XRVX1g2IWTOjae+0g9ZII+h91UngFz+Rz aKDeseKBbCGDOFXx1TqKiHl2g255ZnUxKYTlucFtguv4gDGBgEk4G9JaEWBw1IWblcKhxH7L 2vWsUhvwghjIxHdO/RkeIeHvSp4YZxCJ7a3TaJLYAlwYopfTKVzNhcDY5h5syEuoHjyJCxXK SyoJYAVu8Yl2KUhvOtOmL1VZ6xyHnpdMRWKJZ5jOwU0EZYxKtgEQANYfgbtUMVnhjxDHhWLp g5kLHK3YW0TfJKzpXqDB7NiqxHofn4OcbZnVC3MKggcbs9o1/UtsjnlsG8550PfiYkDXvPiO RJwgbGs6MGIDK797C6cnBLQ8xwBa9SL4cl5iQFnhWmt6vwnJ+an/cm5JpYves3wL7jV09qU9 57hkHXEUcl38r4FssZzVcLKPUVTa3Un+QGRTGDGe/f4ctjMaqv0ZCM+l2ixPhf/vqESrfSLv V/+T3dmtUfXjazO3SABvsHwxgGuTTYOlKoPCaebr+BRdqm0xeIShoIlhvTI8y4clchqx/Uxg UG5X2kvU13k3DS3Q8uLE4Et9x1CcZT6WGgBZSR6R0WfD0SDnzufNnRWJ0dEPA2MtJHE7+85R Vi9j/IgZV+y5Ur+bnPkjDG1s2SVciX5v9HQ0oilcBhvx0j5lGE9hhurD9F+fCvkr4KdbCknE 6Y8ce8pCNBUoB/DqibJivOzTk9K9MGB5x0De5TerIrFiaw3/mQC9nGeO9dtE7wvDJetWeoTq 4BEaCzpufNqbkpOaTQILr4V6Gp7M6v97g83TVAwZntz/q8ptwuKQPZ2JaSFLZn7oWUpYXA5s +SIODFHLn6iMoYpBQskHQjnj4lEPJadl4qj+ZKA89iDAKsniyoFXsbJe2CPbMS1yzBxKZq6K D/jpt7BOnuHr/JrXABEBAAHCwXYEGAEIACAWIQSCVjuE0GIO3A37hkE4l/LiLmWtPwUCZYxK tgIbDAAKCRA4l/LiLmWtP3jmEACQrh9gWe8F1Tkw3m6VoHKwLc5he4tX3WpQa//soPO6iGG3 S3WPruQ46NrAaAojoOcKI9UONDO5rxG0ZTX53S+lu2EO47jbcLwOCjaEpjKpDRt9ZXBQE8Xl mtBE9Bp3W9gpjB1nE3KNM1mJYgsK0QdRpwwfh4pVgGpOj8j23I6MCK+v99zEBnpgCn2GX8W/ kctRXHqWwndHysOJtRP/zrl7dDaABF1f9efUl0LL3TD3GJ9VDz+DNOin/uK2a1hiJo8QzTRk PpfUQ2ebzDsrd1i/pOWkMSkdH+rEu4AGrXWtaBwrMyrGkL6Icb6yO+P9/z0W2wlgBf3P1YRt JPgQt/Dj3yvA/UnaV/QmuVQPjl13o24UnJGsZM8XGnNdfWBKkC1Q6VXC4QT+dyBHYH9MuE9d 6oGl8pFM1+cTfEfbM62/rRoPkF1yHMsI/903VxEvuUIKfhEZAVLFyHldooNxuchntHQP9y8J 8Ou9bWYQP7MnEn+kwSwrZkjurfPkan+xQvp6dDYnj3V0GwA5pprBMaB928VIDVOv+1PNQI3t Cvk5VPv/skq+TJRMHW7bFSt8PRa91cUf1FOLIz9APDiJOzXkwxUEHGV3zPSaUhs1JYjyBeGT wDAvtLUdjOnRhEUOwlnIrztmvyciutjJoVzKEEjj5WXnHk9L9kQ1bpAjkjTONw== In-Reply-To: <9332A517-40F0-477C-A30B-D1629E9F18A0@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 9/21/25 18:39, Mark Millard wrote: > https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:15:i386/base_latest/FreeBSD-src-15.0.a3.20250920235810.pkg > and: > https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:15:i386/base_latest/FreeBSD-kernel-generic-15.0.a3.20250921111746.pkg > > and the like exist: so there is a pkgbase i386 15.0-ALPHA3 distribution. This is a "nobody got around to turning it off" thing. > Is https://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ wrong about i386 for 15.x? No. There won't be release images for i386, there won't be freebsd-update support for i386, and there won't be any more packages build from ports for i386 (I'm not sure if they've been taken off pkg.freebsd.org yet, but the system which was building them is now doing amd64 16.x packages). 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From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2025 21:03:20 -0700 Cc: Lexi Winter , FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9AE3A548-2BCD-4289-AB90-60F563D9E89E@yahoo.com> References: <9332A517-40F0-477C-A30B-D1629E9F18A0.ref@yahoo.com> <9332A517-40F0-477C-A30B-D1629E9F18A0@yahoo.com> To: Colin Percival X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cVTxV384dz3L0B On Sep 21, 2025, at 20:05, Colin Percival wrote: > On 9/21/25 18:39, Mark Millard wrote: >> = https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:15:i386/base_latest/FreeBSD-src-15.0.a3.20= 250920235810.pkg >> and: >> = https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:15:i386/base_latest/FreeBSD-kernel-generic= -15.0.a3.20250921111746.pkg >> and the like exist: so there is a pkgbase i386 15.0-ALPHA3 = distribution. >=20 > This is a "nobody got around to turning it off" thing. >=20 >> Is https://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ wrong about i386 for 15.x? >=20 > No. There won't be release images for i386, there won't be = freebsd-update > support for i386, and there won't be any more packages build from = ports > for i386 (I'm not sure if they've been taken off pkg.freebsd.org yet, = but > the system which was building them is now doing amd64 16.x packages). Good to know. It can be difficult to figure out when an appropriate time to ask such questions is. For reference for FreeBSD:15:i386 : https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:15:i386/latest/ is present but seems to have stopped updating at something like 2025-Sep-12 07:04 . https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:15:i386/kmods_latest/ is present but is back at 2025-Aug-08 12:01 or so. https://pkg.freebsd.org/ has not mentioned FreeBSD:15:i386 in a long time. > There's just a lot of things to turn off when a platform is = desupported and > not all of them happen at once. ;-) Yep. For reference: https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:15:powerpc/ stopped updating earlier but is also still present. https://pkg.freebsd.org/ still lists FreeBSD:15:powerpc . (Once removed, freshports will stop reporting about FreeBSD:15:powerpc once it sees the lack of the reference on that page.) https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:15:armv6/ exists but does not publish anything: an empty directory. https://pkg.freebsd.org/ has not mentioned FreeBSD:15:armv6 in a long time. 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charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D289368 Graham Perrin changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Resolution|FIXED |--- Status|Closed |In Progress --- Comment #13 from Graham Perrin --- Reopening for an errata notice.=20 Use of pkg for a patch-level upgrade from 14.3-RELEASE-p2 to p3=20 can be followed by=20 freebsd-update upgrade -r 15.0-ALPHA3.=20 This use of legacy freebsd-update should be prevented.=20 I assume that the EN should apply to:=20 14.2-RELEASE-p6 14.3-RELEASE-p3 Thanks --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.= From nobody Tue Sep 23 01:30:19 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cW2V76lXtz67qKb for ; 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Mon, 22 Sep 2025 21:30:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip Paeps To: Colin Percival Cc: Mark Millard , Lexi Winter , FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:15:i386/base_latest/ existing and getting 15.0-ALPHA* updates? Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2025 09:30:19 +0800 X-Mailer: MailMate (2.0r6282) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <9332A517-40F0-477C-A30B-D1629E9F18A0.ref@yahoo.com> <9332A517-40F0-477C-A30B-D1629E9F18A0@yahoo.com> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2025-09-22 11:05:52 (+0800), Colin Percival wrote: > On 9/21/25 18:39, Mark Millard wrote: >> Is https://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ wrong about i386 for 15.x? > > No. There won't be release images for i386, there won't be freebsd-upd= ate > support for i386, and there won't be any more packages build from ports= > for i386 (I'm not sure if they've been taken off pkg.freebsd.org yet, b= ut > the system which was building them is now doing amd64 16.x packages). The i386 packages for 15.x have not been removed from pkg.freebsd.org yet= =2E That's on my list ... somewhere. :) > There's just a lot of things to turn off when a platform is desupported= and > not all of them happen at once. ;-) In fact: we have learned the hard way that doing everything all at once n= ever works well. 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FreeBSD = everything except FreeBSD. This era is expected to end in 2028. Last month marked the beginning of the end of the era of vagueness and contradiction. The three repos, now (for FreeBSD 15 and 16): FreeBSD-base FreeBSD-ports FreeBSD-ports-kmods The FreeBSD base system is definitely a combination (collection) of two things: kernel, userland. FreeBSD-base is understandable. A base that might be customised, and maybe have ports or whatever on top. FreeBSD-base, FreeBSD-ports. I suspect that when pkgbase was first envisaged, there was no intention to exclude all optional components of FreeBSD: . Whenever I write about non-base packages, no-one questions the meaning. It's understandable. The emerging word cloud is something like this: (base) (non-base) (subset) (set) (superset) (pkg) (sub package) (package) (super package) (meta package) (FreeBSD) (FreeBSD-base) (FreeBSD-ports) (FreeBSD-ports-kmods) (FreeBSD-set-base) – and FreeBSD-base can be everything and the set a.k.a. meta package with the corresponding name (base) is definitely not everything and for 13 and 14 FreeBSD is for everything except FreeBSD. What could possibly go wrong? ;-) The droplets within a cloud can be documented in any number of ways, but (regardless of documentation) understanding will be easier if naming of each droplet can be fairly free from vagueness and contradiction. ---- Re: Please, what is comp? ("… comp.txz as a separate set like NetBSD …") I guess, complete ( finds only one thing). 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(ALPHA4 not yet announced.) Before an update: FreeBSD 15.0-ALPHA4 stable/15-*n280331*-*ccbc5f307a66* GENERIC amd64 1500064 1500064 After updating then restarting: FreeBSD 15.0-ALPHA4 stable/15-*n280333*-*d2518851f2f9* GENERIC amd64 1500064 1500064 In detail: root@freebsd-conf:~ # freebsd-version -kru ; uname -mvKU 15.0-ALPHA4 15.0-ALPHA4 15.0-ALPHA4 FreeBSD 15.0-ALPHA4 stable/15-n280331-ccbc5f307a66 GENERIC amd64 1500064 1500064 root@freebsd-conf:~ # pkg upgrade -Fqy root@freebsd-conf:~ # pkg upgrade -Uy Checking for upgrades (11 candidates): 100% Processing candidates (11 candidates): 100% Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) The following 10 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked): Installed packages to be UPGRADED: FreeBSD-kernel-generic: 15.0.a4.20250926114356 -> 15.0.a4.20250926201937 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-kernel-generic-dbg: 15.0.a4.20250926114356 -> 15.0.a4.20250926201937 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-kernel-generic-mmccam: 15.0.a4.20250926114356 -> 15.0.a4.20250926201937 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-kernel-generic-mmccam-dbg: 15.0.a4.20250926114356 -> 15.0.a4.20250926201937 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-kernel-minimal: 15.0.a4.20250926114356 -> 15.0.a4.20250926201937 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-kernel-minimal-dbg: 15.0.a4.20250926114356 -> 15.0.a4.20250926201937 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-src: 15.0.a3.20250925224412 -> 15.0.a4.20250926183022 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-src-sys: 15.0.a4.20250926114356 -> 15.0.a4.20250926201937 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-tests: 15.0.a3.20250925224412 -> 15.0.a4.20250926183022 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-tests-dbg: 15.0.a3.20250925224412 -> 15.0.a4.20250926183022 [FreeBSD-base] Number of packages to be upgraded: 10 [1/11] Upgrading FreeBSD-kernel-generic from 15.0.a4.20250926114356 to 15.0.a4.20250926201937... [1/11] Extracting FreeBSD-kernel-generic-15.0.a4.20250926201937: 100% [2/11] Upgrading FreeBSD-kernel-generic-dbg from 15.0.a4.20250926114356 to 15.0.a4.20250926201937... [2/11] Extracting FreeBSD-kernel-generic-dbg-15.0.a4.20250926201937: 100% [3/11] Upgrading FreeBSD-kernel-generic-mmccam from 15.0.a4.20250926114356 to 15.0.a4.20250926201937... [3/11] Extracting FreeBSD-kernel-generic-mmccam-15.0.a4.20250926201937: 100% [4/11] Upgrading FreeBSD-kernel-generic-mmccam-dbg from 15.0.a4.20250926114356 to 15.0.a4.20250926201937... [4/11] Extracting FreeBSD-kernel-generic-mmccam-dbg-15.0.a4.20250926201937: 100% [5/11] Upgrading FreeBSD-kernel-minimal from 15.0.a4.20250926114356 to 15.0.a4.20250926201937... [5/11] Extracting FreeBSD-kernel-minimal-15.0.a4.20250926201937: 100% [6/11] Upgrading FreeBSD-kernel-minimal-dbg from 15.0.a4.20250926114356 to 15.0.a4.20250926201937... [6/11] Extracting FreeBSD-kernel-minimal-dbg-15.0.a4.20250926201937: 100% [7/11] Upgrading FreeBSD-src from 15.0.a3.20250925224412 to 15.0.a4.20250926183022... [7/11] Extracting FreeBSD-src-15.0.a4.20250926183022: 100% [8/11] Upgrading FreeBSD-src-sys from 15.0.a4.20250926114356 to 15.0.a4.20250926201937... [8/11] Extracting FreeBSD-src-sys-15.0.a4.20250926201937: 100% [9/11] Deinstalling FreeBSD-tests-dbg-15.0.a3.20250925224412... [9/11] Deleting files for FreeBSD-tests-dbg-15.0.a3.20250925224412: 100% [10/11] Upgrading FreeBSD-tests from 15.0.a3.20250925224412 to 15.0.a4.20250926183022... [10/11] Extracting FreeBSD-tests-15.0.a4.20250926183022: 100% [11/11] Installing FreeBSD-tests-dbg-15.0.a4.20250926183022... [11/11] Extracting FreeBSD-tests-dbg-15.0.a4.20250926183022: 100% root@freebsd-conf:~ # --------------pF4SXTKOiwBuydjPIEBhAj4g Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 26/09/2025 16:16, Mark Millard wrote:
…

The update to 15.0-ALPHA4 …


There has been more than one. (ALPHA4 not yet announced.) Before an update: 

FreeBSD 15.0-ALPHA4 stable/15-n280331-ccbc5f307a66 GENERIC amd64 1500064 1500064

After updating then restarting: 

FreeBSD 15.0-ALPHA4 stable/15-n280333-d2518851f2f9 GENERIC amd64 1500064 1500064


In detail: 

root@freebsd-conf:~ # freebsd-version -kru ; uname -mvKU
15.0-ALPHA4
15.0-ALPHA4
15.0-ALPHA4
FreeBSD 15.0-ALPHA4 stable/15-n280331-ccbc5f307a66 GENERIC amd64 1500064 1500064
root@freebsd-conf:~ # pkg upgrade -Fqy
root@freebsd-conf:~ # pkg upgrade -Uy
Checking for upgrades (11 candidates): 100%
Processing candidates (11 candidates): 100%
Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
The following 10 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked):

Installed packages to be UPGRADED:
       FreeBSD-kernel-generic: 15.0.a4.20250926114356 -> 15.0.a4.20250926201937 [FreeBSD-base]
       FreeBSD-kernel-generic-dbg: 15.0.a4.20250926114356 -> 15.0.a4.20250926201937 [FreeBSD-base]
       FreeBSD-kernel-generic-mmccam: 15.0.a4.20250926114356 -> 15.0.a4.20250926201937 [FreeBSD-base]
       FreeBSD-kernel-generic-mmccam-dbg: 15.0.a4.20250926114356 -> 15.0.a4.20250926201937 [FreeBSD-base]
       FreeBSD-kernel-minimal: 15.0.a4.20250926114356 -> 15.0.a4.20250926201937 [FreeBSD-base]
       FreeBSD-kernel-minimal-dbg: 15.0.a4.20250926114356 -> 15.0.a4.20250926201937 [FreeBSD-base]
       FreeBSD-src: 15.0.a3.20250925224412 -> 15.0.a4.20250926183022 [FreeBSD-base]
       FreeBSD-src-sys: 15.0.a4.20250926114356 -> 15.0.a4.20250926201937 [FreeBSD-base]
       FreeBSD-tests: 15.0.a3.20250925224412 -> 15.0.a4.20250926183022 [FreeBSD-base]
       FreeBSD-tests-dbg: 15.0.a3.20250925224412 -> 15.0.a4.20250926183022 [FreeBSD-base]

Number of packages to be upgraded: 10
[1/11] Upgrading FreeBSD-kernel-generic from 15.0.a4.20250926114356 to 15.0.a4.20250926201937...
[1/11] Extracting FreeBSD-kernel-generic-15.0.a4.20250926201937: 100%
[2/11] Upgrading FreeBSD-kernel-generic-dbg from 15.0.a4.20250926114356 to 15.0.a4.20250926201937...
[2/11] Extracting FreeBSD-kernel-generic-dbg-15.0.a4.20250926201937: 100%
[3/11] Upgrading FreeBSD-kernel-generic-mmccam from 15.0.a4.20250926114356 to 15.0.a4.20250926201937...
[3/11] Extracting FreeBSD-kernel-generic-mmccam-15.0.a4.20250926201937: 100%
[4/11] Upgrading FreeBSD-kernel-generic-mmccam-dbg from 15.0.a4.20250926114356 to 15.0.a4.20250926201937...
[4/11] Extracting FreeBSD-kernel-generic-mmccam-dbg-15.0.a4.20250926201937: 100%
[5/11] Upgrading FreeBSD-kernel-minimal from 15.0.a4.20250926114356 to 15.0.a4.20250926201937...
[5/11] Extracting FreeBSD-kernel-minimal-15.0.a4.20250926201937: 100%
[6/11] Upgrading FreeBSD-kernel-minimal-dbg from 15.0.a4.20250926114356 to 15.0.a4.20250926201937...
[6/11] Extracting FreeBSD-kernel-minimal-dbg-15.0.a4.20250926201937: 100%
[7/11] Upgrading FreeBSD-src from 15.0.a3.20250925224412 to 15.0.a4.20250926183022...
[7/11] Extracting FreeBSD-src-15.0.a4.20250926183022: 100%
[8/11] Upgrading FreeBSD-src-sys from 15.0.a4.20250926114356 to 15.0.a4.20250926201937...
[8/11] Extracting FreeBSD-src-sys-15.0.a4.20250926201937: 100%
[9/11] Deinstalling FreeBSD-tests-dbg-15.0.a3.20250925224412...
[9/11] Deleting files for FreeBSD-tests-dbg-15.0.a3.20250925224412: 100%
[10/11] Upgrading FreeBSD-tests from 15.0.a3.20250925224412 to 15.0.a4.20250926183022...
[10/11] Extracting FreeBSD-tests-15.0.a4.20250926183022: 100%
[11/11] Installing FreeBSD-tests-dbg-15.0.a4.20250926183022...
[11/11] Extracting FreeBSD-tests-dbg-15.0.a4.20250926183022: 100%
root@freebsd-conf:~ #

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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 295f2544d23c47f05c406e8f277672f5; Sat, 27 Sep 2025 22:19:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Why are /usr/lib/pam*.so in FreeBSD-runtime instead of FreeBSD-runtime-dev ? Message-Id: <51CDE4C0-9B62-44E4-A0A6-B04F4BA313FD@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2025 15:19:01 -0700 To: FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org, Lexi Winter , Baptiste Daroussin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) References: <51CDE4C0-9B62-44E4-A0A6-B04F4BA313FD.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.991]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.64.148:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.64.148:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cZ21S1kVQz3vG2 For reference: # pkg info -l FreeBSD-runtime | grep "pam.*\.so.*"=20 /usr/lib/libpam.so.6 /usr/lib/pam_lastlog.so /usr/lib/pam_lastlog.so.6 /usr/lib/pam_login_access.so /usr/lib/pam_login_access.so.6 /usr/lib/pam_nologin.so /usr/lib/pam_nologin.so.6 /usr/lib/pam_securetty.so /usr/lib/pam_securetty.so.6 /usr/lib/pam_self.so /usr/lib/pam_self.so.6 /usr/lib/pam_unix.so /usr/lib/pam_unix.so.6 # pkg info -l FreeBSD-runtime-dev | grep "pam.*\.so.*" /usr/lib/libpam.so It might just be that part of the criteria is the naming match lib*.so . But by type of content, the status would be less clear. So: runtime: -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 52616 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/libpam.so.6 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 16 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_lastlog.so -> pam_lastlog.so.6 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 7672 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_lastlog.so.6 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 21 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_login_access.so -> pam_login_access.so.6 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 11608 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_login_access.so.6 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 16 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_nologin.so -> pam_nologin.so.6 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 6640 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_nologin.so.6 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 18 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_securetty.so -> pam_securetty.so.6 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 5664 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_securetty.so.6 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 13 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_self.so -> pam_self.so.6 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 5248 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_self.so.6 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 13 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_unix.so -> pam_unix.so.6 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 13696 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_unix.so.6 runtime-dev: lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 11 Sep 23 15:06:33 2025 = /usr/lib/libpam.so -> libpam.so.6 Note: the test context is somewhat older: FreeBSD-runtime-16.snap20250924151341 =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Sat Sep 27 23:16:01 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cZ3H843mDz68sLq for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2025 23:16:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic310-22.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic310-22.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.69.148]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cZ3H82Nhjz41C0 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2025 23:16:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yahoo.com header.s=s2048 header.b=Fp5fLepy; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=yahoo.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of marklmi@yahoo.com designates 98.137.69.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=marklmi@yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1759014974; bh=ayB7+7Z4kau9qw2MvdVhuGhihGz/daY1ZMVql72zFPI=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=Fp5fLepy3RxE7Mr+q4IJ+IhLeGE2tvRDcW/CeP37/M4TYSi0s1qztuSGbUDeUjBEiTwXBuv8EQ4cyobkGWxKbikHA4JDpcJMxDcW5dOtwD0RJyExdz7KW4Tp6WZYAsYul06taYoNx4zORV9CEoQFrDk2QY06XhMaP9zfgDOC7QDbw4+C7mcC1434oNZUiNfw+oy6NmIU1G0/7+Lb/qskdIRsQC9H6HTb6MujYlx4YZm1pmptpjcO0Otu2A32LuTjbMeAuHQ9Dw8WVBnvD0uj6n1KTWlDqBupC7PxULbN0+D+QXfasF3fMs/2kEzUBIH1J0g55ipaQZU9bAcfH9wZrw== X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1759014974; bh=oyhY9P/7X1yd3hucm1KWYyvXEWPlfKYbz9X5k95P4De=; h=X-Sonic-MF:From:Subject:Date:To:From:Subject; b=Ij0MzL0px/yPKVlQXSEMRwsZqC5QFb5cgCY/j34hyMVzS4Ft2vdkwJN+rvgGwvk2jQ0xrHt1KR7EANyfA79CyE4ofYht9EbZcDeUJX+5Wm1QXifnfhc+AdwKY2kkxyvp5EK3pzaRvySs8Q0HvAN/vZGZzlzCkSCR94gSGAmUUX+4jWEpcA6kDBrj2vPOT2PHKvbV/CfX5hSHGu1nDK0ES/xgQwp8EeDfcdC6FAOu6rKrtTgvfZiXUI9+b4CDkInlNod210Xkk8KkLgtFMWzINIj83bVX72DjntNgjdT2TW4bBqGxUmgBRHpqTTpeNPtWfqx99HzQyTKAgg6JVYvmIw== X-YMail-OSG: u3AkbmgVM1mmCmpbgDwhu3lnkzOTk9bJvDyJymmBH.KKcH6l772fPftjv67m1RR EzPhHAxjCzj2ZF2R0RzjwRYNJHEVZKtyKMnHxijFegsigTVWomrYyGxAXfzw301pMPfVYNICWzW3 Z7ueO_vgSVGyBxuQn.CYsxJiqclgsOKnm7yX1tkZhav56x4WMzvdrI2UbLTlhSlFPxqWshzRZpUa pcTGm5Q11CvclTSneAW0jXxvctpsMewuCcf3O4UnLMzUPpZuPCntip5.McE.EKb6AYkObiwU_.4x 1nwZfRnNYioenV3oS4MlQAT_VdDsPY1gVcxz7YqoBqK_1P7mOaD3cL7E.VjhgQFTptJ5tt9Z9j2. 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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2025 16:16:01 -0700 References: <51CDE4C0-9B62-44E4-A0A6-B04F4BA313FD@yahoo.com> To: FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org, Lexi Winter , Baptiste Daroussin In-Reply-To: <51CDE4C0-9B62-44E4-A0A6-B04F4BA313FD@yahoo.com> Message-Id: <32DB44A0-F49E-49D1-AB68-E20A8AD2C992@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.98 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.983]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.69.148:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.69.148:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cZ3H82Nhjz41C0 On Sep 27, 2025, at 15:19, Mark Millard wrote: > For reference: >=20 > # pkg info -l FreeBSD-runtime | grep "pam.*\.so.*"=20 > /usr/lib/libpam.so.6 > /usr/lib/pam_lastlog.so > /usr/lib/pam_lastlog.so.6 > /usr/lib/pam_login_access.so > /usr/lib/pam_login_access.so.6 > /usr/lib/pam_nologin.so > /usr/lib/pam_nologin.so.6 > /usr/lib/pam_securetty.so > /usr/lib/pam_securetty.so.6 > /usr/lib/pam_self.so > /usr/lib/pam_self.so.6 > /usr/lib/pam_unix.so > /usr/lib/pam_unix.so.6 > # pkg info -l FreeBSD-runtime-dev | grep "pam.*\.so.*" > /usr/lib/libpam.so >=20 > It might just be that part of the criteria is > the naming match lib*.so . But by type of content, > the status would be less clear. So: >=20 > runtime: > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 52616 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/libpam.so.6 > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 16 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_lastlog.so -> pam_lastlog.so.6 > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 7672 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_lastlog.so.6 > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 21 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_login_access.so -> pam_login_access.so.6 > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 11608 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_login_access.so.6 > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 16 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_nologin.so -> pam_nologin.so.6 > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 6640 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_nologin.so.6 > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 18 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_securetty.so -> pam_securetty.so.6 > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 5664 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_securetty.so.6 > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 13 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_self.so -> pam_self.so.6 > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 5248 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_self.so.6 > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 13 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_unix.so -> pam_unix.so.6 > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 13696 Sep 24 08:03:12 2025 = /usr/lib/pam_unix.so.6 >=20 > runtime-dev: > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 11 Sep 23 15:06:33 2025 = /usr/lib/libpam.so -> libpam.so.6 [Actually it is a chroot created somewhat later the boot environment was updated.] >=20 > Note: the test context is somewhat older: >=20 > FreeBSD-runtime-16.snap20250924151341 In case it turns out that the above type of thing is actually sometimes significant, examples can be listed as shown by the below: # pkg info -g "FreeBSD-*" \ > | grep -v '\-dev-' \ > | xargs pkg info -l {} \; \ > | grep -e "^FreeBSD-" -e "\.so$" \ > | grep -B1 "\.so$" \ > | grep -v "^--$" pkg: No package(s) matching {} FreeBSD-bootloader-16.snap20250923153156: /boot/userboot_4th.so /boot/userboot_lua.so FreeBSD-bsnmp-16.snap20250923153156: /usr/lib/snmp_bridge.so /usr/lib/snmp_hast.so /usr/lib/snmp_hostres.so /usr/lib/snmp_lm75.so /usr/lib/snmp_mibII.so /usr/lib/snmp_netgraph.so /usr/lib/snmp_pf.so /usr/lib/snmp_target.so /usr/lib/snmp_usm.so /usr/lib/snmp_vacm.so /usr/lib/snmp_wlan.so FreeBSD-clang-16.snap20250923232126: /usr/lib/clang/19/lib/freebsd/libclang_rt.asan-i386.so /usr/lib/clang/19/lib/freebsd/libclang_rt.asan-x86_64.so FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20250925093303: /usr/lib/libxnet.so FreeBSD-geom-16.snap20250923232126: /lib/geom/geom_cache.so /lib/geom/geom_concat.so /lib/geom/geom_eli.so /lib/geom/geom_journal.so /lib/geom/geom_label.so /lib/geom/geom_mirror.so /lib/geom/geom_mountver.so /lib/geom/geom_multipath.so /lib/geom/geom_nop.so /lib/geom/geom_part.so /lib/geom/geom_raid.so /lib/geom/geom_raid3.so /lib/geom/geom_shsec.so /lib/geom/geom_stripe.so /lib/geom/geom_union.so /lib/geom/geom_virstor.so FreeBSD-kerberos-16.snap20250923232126: /usr/lib/pam_krb5.so /usr/lib/pam_ksu.so FreeBSD-natd-16.snap20250923153156: /lib/libalias_dummy.so /lib/libalias_ftp.so /lib/libalias_irc.so /lib/libalias_nbt.so /lib/libalias_pptp.so /lib/libalias_skinny.so /lib/libalias_smedia.so FreeBSD-openssl-lib-16.snap20250923153156: /usr/lib/engines-3/capi.so /usr/lib/engines-3/devcrypto.so /usr/lib/engines-3/loader_attic.so /usr/lib/engines-3/padlock.so /usr/lib/ossl-modules/legacy.so FreeBSD-runtime-16.snap20250924151341: /usr/lib/pam_lastlog.so /usr/lib/pam_login_access.so /usr/lib/pam_nologin.so /usr/lib/pam_securetty.so /usr/lib/pam_self.so /usr/lib/pam_unix.so FreeBSD-ssh-16.snap20250923153156: /usr/lib/pam_ssh.so FreeBSD-utilities-16.snap20250924211435: /usr/lib/flua/freebsd/kenv.so /usr/lib/flua/freebsd/sys/linker.so /usr/lib/flua/hash.so /usr/lib/flua/jail.so /usr/lib/flua/ucl.so /usr/lib/flua/yaml.so /usr/lib/libomp.so /usr/lib/nss_tacplus.so /usr/lib/pam_chroot.so /usr/lib/pam_deny.so /usr/lib/pam_echo.so /usr/lib/pam_exec.so /usr/lib/pam_ftpusers.so /usr/lib/pam_group.so /usr/lib/pam_guest.so /usr/lib/pam_passwdqc.so /usr/lib/pam_permit.so /usr/lib/pam_radius.so /usr/lib/pam_rhosts.so /usr/lib/pam_rootok.so /usr/lib/pam_tacplus.so /usr/lib/pam_xdg.so FreeBSD-zfs-16.snap20250924222558: /usr/lib/pam_zfs_key.so =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Sat Sep 27 23:24:35 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cZ3T353K8z68t4m for ; 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[ALPHA4 update is even odder] Message-Id: Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2025 16:24:35 -0700 To: Graham Perrin , FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) References: X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.93 / 15.00]; URL_IN_SUBJECT(1.00)[pkg.freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.934]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.64.206:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.64.206:from]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cZ3T16yBJz41M3 Graham Perrin wrote on Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2025 18:10:01 UTC : > On 26/09/2025 16:16, Mark Millard wrote: > > =E2=80=A6 > > > > The update to 15.0-ALPHA4 =E2=80=A6 >=20 > There has been more than one. (ALPHA4 not yet announced.) > . . . The manifest update is published now. Previous reports: >> @ = https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/base_latest/FreeBSD-utilities-15.= 0.a3.20250925202643.pkg 2025-Sep-25 22:52 >> @ = https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/base_latest/FreeBSD-utilities-dbg= -15.0.a3.20250925010748.pkg 2025-Sep-25 07:26 >=20 >=20 > @ = https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/base_latest/FreeBSD-runtime-15.0.= a4.20250926000739.pkg 2025-Sep-26 11:52 > @ = https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/base_latest/FreeBSD-runtime-dbg-1= 5.0.a3.20250924135630.pkg 2025-Sep-24 20:13 The current status for the type of thing that I reported now looks like below: @ = https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/base_latest/FreeBSD-runtime-15.0.= a4.20250926000739.pkg 2025-Sep-26 11:52 @ = https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/base_latest/FreeBSD-runtime-dbg-1= 5.0.a3.20250924135630.pkg 2025-Sep-24 20:13 So far, the same as last time. Nothing yet invalidates the question. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com