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Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lofcremcrHqyaYDC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost> --lofcremcrHqyaYDC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ronald Klop wrote in <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost>: > Yesterday I installed a 15-BETA1 jail using pkgbase > FreeBSD-set-minimal-jail. I was missing FreeBSD-dhclient which is > fine and I installed it. Then it didn't have DNS as FreeBSD-resolvconf > was missing. I understand that theoretically dhclient can operate > without resolvconf, but in practice they seem pretty useful together. >=20 > Should FreeBSD-dhclient depend on FreeBSD-resolvconf? dhclient should depend on resolvconf and i will fix this. i am curious how widespread dhclient use in jails is. should we add dhclient to set-minimal-jail? NB, "set-minimal-jail" is not intended to be the smallest possible set of packages for a jail; it's meant to be "minimal" (the basic base system) for jails. so if dhclient use in jails is widespread, we should probably add it to minimal-jail. --lofcremcrHqyaYDC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYKAB0WIQSyjTg96lp3RifySyn1nT63mIK/YAUCaO+QfgAKCRD1nT63mIK/ YIUHAQCRulqeow8iQaikbBoX/f3YQEKnX4JnlID31GW1hyCiZQEAuTQl9qan/7Kk LDSt5+vPDUbRQae7prnZ6vO9L1XmpQU= =Naff -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lofcremcrHqyaYDC-- From nobody Wed Oct 15 12:24:12 2025 X-Original-To: pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cmqyj5yFVz6CHlB for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2025 12:24:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rionda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x736.google.com (mail-qk1-x736.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::736]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cmqyj3T9Gz41Zy for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2025 12:24:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rionda@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-qk1-x736.google.com with SMTP id af79cd13be357-862cbf9e0c0so819058585a.0 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2025 05:24:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1760531064; x=1761135864; darn=freebsd.org; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:sender:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=YWro21lk++WR6QPWBih2OGppDQmape4Xw3j9JIYwhjw=; b=kJsLU92UvZuhG1o1QPq9MNfnypcPIBUWw4+5C7QEXhwfCpUoorb2yAtqs6hWqr+crQ 4/rKyNnYJOprwi8dnY6CfZq303JXR6da8jXNO1PijdbmlmxQ6ij8v4AOZegEPLCLMiSX unMNc5TpXIpuo2AlWf2zSFm/2JdZ9Xigo2a2Fm+sq8vxIDppc9meHoOgBQeiapsfH96B DZ8aCuPdUvcAIe0NzHzUiaiLqabYPWWLVwESQf3kmsFqDXBGxWuR+BFgjutZ9fyA0hSj 34EiP+sIVMRCgG0f0CDil1iUyaNmZFSP6Ib54qZFyqxPp5Ew53RfzjvTIU9wHkyozScb IAKQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1760531064; x=1761135864; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:sender:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=YWro21lk++WR6QPWBih2OGppDQmape4Xw3j9JIYwhjw=; b=xDCzONLLsRf1RlJbmDzJnqlgIwvPB5Z4RYCiyV1X7WXhFlZEPvGBoeJPnyWFnHVw5x CxuayU6cGzlMO/wYTznWdKns97tbIQqmcOlLg9jWBFivGQwE42kkCbcE9MaTWfrLoS9t bVx3qjLBSY27+2ZoMD22BMKyn0nszct+esXHuBRau0N3quEejhWC8X/kNpN0omBw7Oi4 xe5SFidQNdBNUxZ84i8RIx2YtJ70/2/vn77gmHDcuKG4EkH2uhwvGD9wsMOplzXK4WZv g1OSNA5sKahhN9Qrzd8ENdrCWNvhrX4zG7uRw3/UGD2z5hdGh09mtluQDDTot1A4HSoR pOJQ== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWJDcTKElNl+wU8kRj8b8lLzt16axd1fEZR6fNgLQWX9UzrjL2Ogd2Ds1ErqSuhwN2TfFM5egtv@freebsd.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwzgxPnxZDXX4EahoPnJNXTW1o/wEm0+zakwJvyC3Qjtrc2OAPo 9+Q4YwaB4V/9je11MsBTVrDUz+zDaHUu4OD0P/L56DRxU1j0y1xpQaWbHJ24Ew== X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncs4g0lTC1/fjjkur1cxIXyThJe0JbGtxNaA3IZzdrEtxmAoqELErrbCVZltl1j bRF/UTfUvejb05TScU/efteNFiK70+rX1EK3edaEzKqlixhB8xqemri958IVxxRw4PLBaauhi60 B9JTaHemzxcgnJrr7b6Pdezlg1v74gM1khHO8XQDdQZQXTEsji8uDmDEW5swenTcTDcu+II4Rdo cZPNm6vQRy5YlOMyG7JrinDXvyI6eVAMeWGQPLCOrUGBAwI+n4FVN5hS0jgAqMcrwtnG1sjfLgQ H20cX9FM4VWme4Rt/Uz0rzwtnFAMXvKajl3RSbXHYDnKcnI+Y/Wknxq3E9F+rCg7etE2Caxumnx +ZoGeWLCdk0/bTb2im/hBJaRDg0VB9uqvnwz1mt1YWa/wmenErzAcgwMYhFv8GH/SAOUg341Cw3 g3B+69jEZw7mXqIsxSu1O/wMseduUK9jXyd/yif0FPeW+u3A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFcmKlY2YoFPLUgmIwdnUNbS2taHz3pQIHw6Dz1RmS5cY2eTMLtJoD1cOoxpFcWojlNb6Kqyw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:29d0:b0:85d:df83:f6a7 with SMTP id af79cd13be357-88350a7a217mr3876588185a.29.1760531063546; Wed, 15 Oct 2025 05:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (pafw-natd-255-216.amherst.edu. 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From: Matteo Riondato In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 08:24:12 -0400 Cc: Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD.org> References: <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost> To: Lexi Winter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6.1.21) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cmqyj3T9Gz41Zy > On Oct 15, 2025, at 8:16 AM, Lexi Winter wrote: >=20 > Ronald Klop wrote in <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost>: >> Yesterday I installed a 15-BETA1 jail using pkgbase >> FreeBSD-set-minimal-jail. I was missing FreeBSD-dhclient which is >> fine and I installed it. Then it didn't have DNS as = FreeBSD-resolvconf >> was missing. I understand that theoretically dhclient can operate >> without resolvconf, but in practice they seem pretty useful together. >>=20 >> Should FreeBSD-dhclient depend on FreeBSD-resolvconf? >=20 > dhclient should depend on resolvconf and i will fix this. >=20 > i am curious how widespread dhclient use in jails is. should we add > dhclient to set-minimal-jail? >=20 > NB, "set-minimal-jail" is not intended to be the smallest possible set > of packages for a jail; it's meant to be "minimal" (the basic base = system) > for jails. so if dhclient use in jails is widespread, we should = probably > add it to minimal-jail. So does =E2=80=9Cminimal=E2=80=9D really mean =E2=80=9Ctypical=E2=80=9D?=20= That=E2=80=99s going to be confusing, TBH (compare, e.g., with the = MINIMAL kernel config file). 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Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Matteo Riondato , Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost> <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD.org> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IbGAJYoVgYbw780l" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD.org> --IbGAJYoVgYbw780l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matteo Riondato wrote in <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD.org>: > > On Oct 15, 2025, at 8:16 AM, Lexi Winter wrote: > > NB, "set-minimal-jail" is not intended to be the smallest possible set > > of packages for a jail; it's meant to be "minimal" (the basic base syst= em) > > for jails. so if dhclient use in jails is widespread, we should probab= ly > > add it to minimal-jail. =20 > So does =E2=80=9Cminimal=E2=80=9D really mean =E2=80=9Ctypical=E2=80=9D?= =20 =20 no. the project has no opinion on what a "typical jail" might contain. "minimal" is the minimal supported configuration for a multi-user UNIX system, i.e. the packages that people need to install to bring up a standard FreeBSD system and have things work as expected. "minimal-jail" is "minimal" without software that doesn't work in jails. dhclient obviously works in jails, but i ommitted it since i thought it was extremely uncommon to use dhclient in a jail. but if this is more common than i thought, we can add it. --IbGAJYoVgYbw780l Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYKAB0WIQSyjTg96lp3RifySyn1nT63mIK/YAUCaO+TUQAKCRD1nT63mIK/ YEzaAP97Z8xdXU5E+HaRCgDZwXXQYMBfLgLshxsDyoSPNgnWeQD9G8PSh8iQGWHD KnNVR0qgMWWN7q0EwBCeQ93qzSx/JAI= =t5Cd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IbGAJYoVgYbw780l-- From nobody Wed Oct 15 12:32:34 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cmr863wqBz6CJj3 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2025 12:32:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infoomatic@gmx.at) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 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ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:mout.gmx.net]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmx.at:s=s31663417]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[212.227.17.21:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[212.227.17.21:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmx.at:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmx.at]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmx.at] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cmr851yvtz44mC Hi, I just want to give some feedback regarding package base. I have been=20 using FreeBSD personally since 4.x and professionally since 9.x, also my= =20 workstation is on FreeBSD since 2016 so I would say I have some=20 experience with the best operating system in the world. I have not yet had time to dig deeper into pkgbase, however, after=20 reading the call for testing I just wanted to give it a go in a VM, here= =20 my observations with 14.3-RELEASE/15.0-BETA1 from various scenarios I=20 have played through. 1.) First I noticed I could not easily find the documentation I was looking=20 for, specifically the wiki mentions that it obsoletes freebsd-update.=20 man freebsd-update does not mention anything, and using pkgbasify.lua=20 does not delete freebsd-update. So I now had two ways to update, which I= =20 find ambiguous. Also strange that "pkg update" installed kernel=20 "14.3-RELEASE-p4", however, after that, a freebsd-update rolled over=20 "14.3-RELEASE-p3" again, and I had no idea in what state my system was=20 really after issuing both commands. (fully aware that this is not=20 intended by design, but having two tools interfering and leaving us in=20 an inconsistent state is awkward for us users). Strangely, also in 15.0=20 freebsd-update is here. 2.) I pkgbasified the 14.3 VM, and tried to upgrade via the method mentioned= =20 in the wiki. During the upgrade, the command aborted with: [363/402] Deleting files for curl-8.16.0: 2% pkg-static: compat-libraries-20251015101859 conflicts with=20 compat-libraries-20251015101859 (installs files into the same place).=20 Problematic file: /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg/libcurl.so.4 [363/402] Deleting files for curl-8.16.0: 100% [364/402] Reinstalling brotli-1.1.0,1... pkg-static: sqlite error while executing BEGIN IMMEDIATE TRANSACTION in= =20 file pkgdb.c:1206: cannot start a transaction within a transaction After issuing the pkg update command, the pkg upgrade command with 15.0=20 ABI does not do anything. I rebooted. After that, pkg upgrade resulted in: [12/34] Deleting files for readline-8.2.13_2: 21% pkg: compat-libraries-20251015104532 conflicts with=20 compat-libraries-20251015104532 (installs files into the same place).=20 Problematic file: /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg/libhistory.so.8 [12/34] Deleting files for readline-8.2.13_2: 31% pkg: compat-libraries-20251015104532 conflicts with=20 compat-libraries-20251015104532 (installs files into the same place).=20 Problematic file: /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg/libreadline.so.8 [12/34] Deleting files for readline-8.2.13_2: 100% [13/34] Deinstalling rsync-3.4.1_3... [13/34] Deleting files for rsync-3.4.1_3: 100% [14/34] Reinstalling libiconv-1.17_1... pkg: sqlite error while executing BEGIN IMMEDIATE TRANSACTION in file=20 pkgdb.c:1206: cannot start a transaction within a transaction Confidence is not something that comes to mind here ... 3.) I upgraded the 14.3 VM via freebsd-update to 15.0-BETA1. Then I=20 pkgbasified the system. "pkg remove FreeBSD-wpa" resultet in: Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) 1 packages requested for removal: 0 locked, 1 missing Strange, what now? 4.) I bricked the system with "pkg delete -af", as was discussed already= =20 on this mailing list. This should not be possible, in my opinion. So far I have no idea how I can upgrade to 15.0-BETA1 with a working=20 pkgbase system. This short journey into pkgbase made me leave it the=20 same day though what I have read sounded promising. Now I am really=20 worried about the stability of my systems with 15.0 (the plan is still=20 that freebsd-update only works until the 14 branch, so no support in=20 15?), however I am confident it will stabilize and then I'll give it=20 another shot. 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From: Matteo Riondato In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 08:46:08 -0400 Cc: Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <89861E7A-64C7-47CB-89F6-A93AB14813FF@FreeBSD.org> References: <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost> <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD.org> To: Lexi Winter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6.1.21) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cmrRy4g80z47Gd > On Oct 15, 2025, at 8:28 AM, Lexi Winter wrote: >=20 > Matteo Riondato wrote in = <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD.org>: >>> On Oct 15, 2025, at 8:16 AM, Lexi Winter wrote: >>> NB, "set-minimal-jail" is not intended to be the smallest possible = set >>> of packages for a jail; it's meant to be "minimal" (the basic base = system) >>> for jails. so if dhclient use in jails is widespread, we should = probably >>> add it to minimal-jail. >=20 >> So does =E2=80=9Cminimal=E2=80=9D really mean =E2=80=9Ctypical=E2=80=9D= ?=20 >=20 > no. the project has no opinion on what a "typical jail" might = contain. >=20 > "minimal" is the minimal supported configuration for a multi-user UNIX > system, i.e. the packages that people need to install to bring up a > standard FreeBSD system and have things work as expected. Is there a clash of terms between =E2=80=9Cneed=E2=80=9D and = =E2=80=9Cstandard=E2=80=9D? Maybe that =E2=80=9Cneed=E2=80=9D should be =E2=80=9Cshould=E2=80=9D ? =20 > "minimal-jail" is "minimal" without software that doesn't work in = jails. > dhclient obviously works in jails, but i ommitted it since i thought = it > was extremely uncommon to use dhclient in a jail. but if this is more > common than i thought, we can add it. It seems you had a definition ("'minimal-jail=E2=80=99 is all minus = {what doesn=E2=80=99t work in a jail}=E2=80=9D AND =E2=80=9Cis the = minimal supported") but ignored it for dhclient.=20 That makes the definition not valid anymore. It also seem that (before the change), dhclient in jails would not have = been supported (as =E2=80=98=E2=80=9Cminimal=E2=80=99 is the *minimal = supported* configuration=E2=80=9D, quote yours, emphasis mine), which = would have been bizarre. If we have definitions, we gotta adhere to them, or it creates = confusions to the users and the developers. Are there other packages for which the definition was ignored? And to be clear, I really appreciate all your work smoothing out corners = for pkgbase. It is just that some of the choices, especially wrt = meta-packages, do not seem to be documented / stated beforehand, so one = may not know what to expect from these packages. 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micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DzL1ivgYC8Rrv8ta" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <06f829a7-4378-4a24-a3db-f929d812cddd@gmx.at> --DzL1ivgYC8Rrv8ta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable infoomatic wrote in <06f829a7-4378-4a24-a3db-f929d812cddd@gmx.at>: > I just want to give some feedback regarding package base. thank for you taking the time to provide feedback. however, i'm afraid feedback on 14.x pkgbase is not very helpful, since pkgbase has changed significantly in 15.0. pkgbase in 14.x is essentially an unsupported experimental feature. > First I noticed I could not easily find the documentation I was looking f= or, for 15.0, we should have Handbook documentation describing pkgbase. currently, we do not. =20 > using pkgbasify.lua does not > delete freebsd-update it cannot do so, because you might still want freebsd-update to update non-pkgbase jails. > Also strange that "pkg update" installed kernel "14.3-RELEASE-p4", > however, after that, a freebsd-update rolled over "14.3-RELEASE-p3" > again, and I had no idea in what state my system was really after > issuing both commands. do not use freebsd-update and pkgbase on the same system. i believe freebsd-update was recently fixed to refuse to run in this configuration, but the fix might not have made it to a -RELEASE branch yet. > Strangely, also in 15.0 freebsd-update is here. again, this will be required for people who want to update 14.x jails which don't use pkgbase. > I pkgbasified the 14.3 VM, and tried to upgrade via the method mentioned = in > the wiki. During the upgrade, the command aborted with: >=20 > [363/402] Deleting files for curl-8.16.0: 2% > pkg-static: compat-libraries-20251015101859 conflicts with > compat-libraries-20251015101859 (installs files into the same place). > Problematic file: /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg/libcurl.so.4 this is https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/2501: pkg(8) BACKUP_LIBRARIES is known to be broken, both in general and with pkgbase. this is on the list of issues to fix prior to 15.0-RELEASE. > I upgraded the 14.3 VM via freebsd-update to 15.0-BETA1. Then I pkgbasifi= ed > the system. "pkg remove FreeBSD-wpa" resultet in: >=20 > Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan this is https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/2517. this issue is also on the list of known issues to be fixed for 15.0. in short, if you have a FreeBSD-set-* package installed, you need to remove the set before you can remove the contents of the set. > 4.) I bricked the system with "pkg delete -af", as was discussed already = on > this mailing list. This should not be possible, in my opinion. =20 i do not know what else you expected here. if you remove the base system, then the system can no longer boot, because you removed it. the solution is to not do that. as an aside, i am confused about the number of people who seem to run "pkg delete -af" as a matter of course. where did you learn to do this? is there some FreeBSD YouTuber telling people to do this? > the plan is still that freebsd-update only works until the 14 branch, > so no support in 15? freebsd-update will be fully supported in 15.x and is planned to be removed for 16.0. in 15.0, pkgbase is shipped as a "tech preview" feature. --DzL1ivgYC8Rrv8ta Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYKAB0WIQSyjTg96lp3RifySyn1nT63mIK/YAUCaO+XoAAKCRD1nT63mIK/ YFTGAQCLJi2IAkn2AelHhnzEdaKxpbbCwnxZoMI6Cn1SCgFJRgEAw9uI2RmC9zm8 HJYJtZH5Jz9elyfoK6QBrze1M2Sy6AM= =i3Wz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DzL1ivgYC8Rrv8ta-- From nobody Wed Oct 15 12:53:04 2025 X-Original-To: pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cmrbr6KMVz6CL8R; Wed, 15 Oct 2025 12:53:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R13" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cmrbr5qDjz49KR; Wed, 15 Oct 2025 12:53:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1760532792; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=NqAGAmwWTZ1QKg+Gq7rU+jrxegPR0aEdT5lm9JLLMAQ=; b=J0obNSCLUNYpG0tvAiUARuXEricJXaCzfyDtn1+F+fBpHrHwhoqFob8acM7Km+fn96dDxY wQKbMtRpEbLj62KEW/pYa0s1lEygp/VYEUX1gtrDWQmrVQ7+W76ZSL9wYTLc693gamhgaD iUONqROyxpIxbAUgnlOmh3mwIaqmi4ZG0prw5yLqFWODGE5/8iIQ91zSzEVBAxcUl6x6AC XQizoB6HSAYwhzj6OrwKjaJBSkk7aOK4lxiOiAyGoemb4ojgKfHWWP1d693VSST+FPeq8d D21CxECIfampAND505Rmm15lDWXl6ikHGv93EhX30nfHdhnV/zphWod3xkGEYw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1760532792; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=NqAGAmwWTZ1QKg+Gq7rU+jrxegPR0aEdT5lm9JLLMAQ=; b=bi1HVS6uEHrDe6T1VXvTmPvvuoQSBwpRnZ1Ah6Kw+3dM0ZI8tWNjNCFWSvJncZK+NNSb2j kIL+fALvl1EHacGw4zhjYaUlHVngM27ePx+YuyVupO+boJ+o5Ih/mv7F1KeviPcKuAcvN5 1L24Z5C9x8opbAlsgEFNj+C495iCRdpm13uY889uvRadZ6b1DRX77emAO+sJyH2tCeOZ5A LyeKXUSmeZA17yCblFk+UkNoJICE0ax1JnHfzQG+C1+NSBLEzsi8HPRDkhpUQz5MSzKdYd 0Av58zzk8neTH3UxMe3gCKnfcWwFVpBAKcSvOBv2FcdW7UvZRwpHXmcgGfRoAA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1760532792; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=pwb7bYpgou0ouwrRmmYrOMb96+xdN44iICJcK837k0gldeV6AFU/N4K3sPdMn4S07Efug3 +lP8nTWVSG1jwzvS1QjY+nxRVASdQRKKqvQwvfF76npVWUd0AU6CBIeoJydwMykolxDtfh VNSjsHJAbR+P56QrOKVZm+fveR8hpSIINwvgNouE0C/fC/3Uz7GMZb+F8Op4+AeCvc2tsL ymxWP9Bbl1SVW7jV6k8APZZpMzzdjbxeGlqfgcFT9sYznXJWotKAPIqu8nv0/xyouZ4mtz vGEYafHvsJ6SxkQQpb2uVsaL0EkPr2An/O33gN4HtusIl9kFDrrTGEYkK3IWsw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from amaryllis.le-fay.org (amaryllis.le-fay.org [IPv6:2a00:1098:6b:400::9]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: ivy/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4cmrbr286xz8g4; Wed, 15 Oct 2025 12:53:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 13:53:04 +0100 From: Lexi Winter To: Matteo Riondato Cc: Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: should FreeBSD-dhclient depend on FreeBSD-resolvconf? Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Matteo Riondato , Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost> <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD.org> <89861E7A-64C7-47CB-89F6-A93AB14813FF@FreeBSD.org> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HhpXzKZZhD/zZJiC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <89861E7A-64C7-47CB-89F6-A93AB14813FF@FreeBSD.org> --HhpXzKZZhD/zZJiC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matteo Riondato wrote in <89861E7A-64C7-47CB-89F6-A93AB14813FF@FreeBSD.org>: > > On Oct 15, 2025, at 8:28 AM, Lexi Winter wrote: > > "minimal" is the minimal supported configuration for a multi-user UNIX > > system, i.e. the packages that people need to install to bring up a > > standard FreeBSD system and have things work as expected. >=20 > Is there a clash of terms between =E2=80=9Cneed=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Csta= ndard=E2=80=9D? > Maybe that =E2=80=9Cneed=E2=80=9D should be =E2=80=9Cshould=E2=80=9D ? no. "minimal" is the minimum set of packages you need to install to bring up a multi-user UNIX system. technically, some of these packages are not "needed". for example, if you don't have any DHCP interfaces, you do not need dhclient. however, the expectation of users is that since we support DHCP, the DHCP client will be installed in the minimal system. > > "minimal-jail" is "minimal" without software that doesn't work in jails. > > dhclient obviously works in jails, but i ommitted it since i thought it > > was extremely uncommon to use dhclient in a jail. but if this is more > > common than i thought, we can add it. >=20 > It seems you had a definition ("'minimal-jail=E2=80=99 is all minus {what > doesn=E2=80=99t work in a jail}=E2=80=9D AND =E2=80=9Cis the minimal supp= orted") but ignored > it for dhclient. That makes the definition not valid anymore. =20 yes, your logic is very clever, but i am more interested in actionable changes we can make to improve the system for users. > It also seem that (before the change), dhclient in jails would not > have been supported (as =E2=80=98=E2=80=9Cminimal=E2=80=99 is the *minima= l supported* > configuration=E2=80=9D, quote yours, emphasis mine), which would have been > bizarre. huh? i never said dhclient in a jail is not supported. 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From: Matteo Riondato In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 09:19:23 -0400 Cc: Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3E63F63B-0C90-43E2-BF55-30310B7599D3@FreeBSD.org> References: <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost> <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD.org> <89861E7A-64C7-47CB-89F6-A93AB14813FF@FreeBSD.org> To: Lexi Winter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6.1.21) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cmsBJ0SDNz3Fw6 > On Oct 15, 2025, at 8:53 AM, Lexi Winter wrote: >=20 > Matteo Riondato wrote in = <89861E7A-64C7-47CB-89F6-A93AB14813FF@FreeBSD.org>: >>> On Oct 15, 2025, at 8:28 AM, Lexi Winter wrote: >=20 >>> "minimal-jail" is "minimal" without software that doesn't work in = jails. >>> dhclient obviously works in jails, but i ommitted it since i thought = it >>> was extremely uncommon to use dhclient in a jail. but if this is = more >>> common than i thought, we can add it. >>=20 >> It seems you had a definition ("'minimal-jail=E2=80=99 is all minus = {what >> doesn=E2=80=99t work in a jail}=E2=80=9D AND =E2=80=9Cis the minimal = supported") but ignored >> it for dhclient. That makes the definition not valid anymore. >=20 > yes, your logic is very clever, but i am more interested in actionable > changes we can make to improve the system for users. Having clear documentation of what these meta-packages should/must/are = expected include is an actionable change that improves the system for = users: it clarifies to the users what to expect when they install the = meta-packages, and clarifies to developers when to add/remove packages = to/from the meta-packages. >> It also seem that (before the change), dhclient in jails would not >> have been supported (as =E2=80=98=E2=80=9Cminimal=E2=80=99 is the = *minimal supported* >> configuration=E2=80=9D, quote yours, emphasis mine), which would have = been >> bizarre. >=20 > huh? i never said dhclient in a jail is not supported. >=20 > "minimal supported configuration" means that for a basic installation = of > FreeBSD in a multi-user configuration, these are the packages you need > to install. =20 > it doesn't mean you can't install any other packages. that > would obviously be absurd. Gotcha, I misunderstood that. But then, what does =E2=80=9Cminimal supported=E2=80=9D mean, i.e., what = role does =E2=80=9Csupported=E2=80=9D play?=20 If one removes a package (e.g., dhclient), is this configuration not = supported? You are using terms that seem not well defined: what=E2=80=99s a *basic* = (earlier you used the term =E2=80=9Cstandard=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6are these = equivalent terms?) installation of FreeBSD in a multi-user = configuration? Is there a list of packages that, when installed, create = a basic (or a standard) installation? How did we arrive to this list? Is = it self-defined. e.g., =E2=80=9Cthe packages in minimal define what a = basic/standard FreeBSD installation in a multi-user configuration is=E2=80= =9D? I fear some of the meta-packages may become either a kitchen sink or = =E2=80=9Ctoo minimal=E2=80=9D, if we don=E2=80=99t define exactly what = each should accomplish. 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Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Matteo Riondato , Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost> <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD.org> <89861E7A-64C7-47CB-89F6-A93AB14813FF@FreeBSD.org> <3E63F63B-0C90-43E2-BF55-30310B7599D3@FreeBSD.org> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xTSqGehRKnTiz2SD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E63F63B-0C90-43E2-BF55-30310B7599D3@FreeBSD.org> --xTSqGehRKnTiz2SD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matteo Riondato wrote in <3E63F63B-0C90-43E2-BF55-30310B7599D3@FreeBSD.org>: > Having clear documentation of what these meta-packages should/must/are > expected include is an actionable change that improves the system for > users: it clarifies to the users what to expect when they install the > meta-packages, and clarifies to developers when to add/remove packages > to/from the meta-packages. if you think the description of the set-* packages is not clear, please submit a diff to improve them. i was in somewhat of a hurry to get this into the system, so i'm sure someone else could do a better job. > > "minimal supported configuration" means that for a basic > > installation of FreeBSD in a multi-user configuration, these are the > > packages you need to install. it doesn't mean you can't install any > > other packages. that would obviously be absurd. >=20 > But then, what does =E2=80=9Cminimal supported=E2=80=9D mean, i.e., what = role does > =E2=80=9Csupported=E2=80=9D play?=20 it doesn't really mean anything. it's a word i made up for the purpose of this thread, to explain what the set packages are for. i apologise if this has created confusion as to the purpose of the set packages. the actual description of the set-minimal package is: This metapackage installs the packages required to bring up a basic multi-user system. now, you will probably turn around and ask what "basic" means. i don't know the answer to that. essentially, it means this is what we consider to be the basic set of packages that people expect to exist on a FreeBSD installation. this is the set of packages that people can pick without thinking about it, when running bsdinstall on a new system, and end up with a system that is basically functional. the opposite of "basic" is "optional": set-optional installs "optional" software which is not considered part of the basic system. to pick some random example, something which is "optional" and not "basic" is the iSCSI target and initiator. why? simply because you don't *need* iSCSI support to bring up a new FreeBSD system; it's the type of thing you would simply install if you need it. what we consider "basic" vs what we consider "optional" is certainly open to discussion, and if there's somethings which is in set-minimal that should not be, or vice versa, we can adjust that. it would be a good idea to do that ASAP, before 15.0 is released. --xTSqGehRKnTiz2SD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYKAB0WIQSyjTg96lp3RifySyn1nT63mIK/YAUCaO+iFQAKCRD1nT63mIK/ YBZ1AQDS98ZaKWFYlwKvlGV1hbGQiuNFdSU3lAB0higit0TQ6QEAtPgyA2GV5u5c TaZ7/ErUUQwSUvAB2gSheYjHCRvSXw8= =f/SA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xTSqGehRKnTiz2SD-- From nobody Wed Oct 15 14:45:06 2025 X-Original-To: pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cmv565FzWz6CV7J; Wed, 15 Oct 2025 14:45:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Received: from mx5.roble.com (mx5.roble.com [209.237.23.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cmv562NKfz3cQj; Wed, 15 Oct 2025 14:45:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from roble.com (roble.com [209.237.23.50]) by mx5.roble.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34479425A9; Wed, 15 Oct 2025 07:45:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=roble.com; s=rs060402; t=1760539506; bh=aiw4zkMM/H6G2Xe0vVFWFzdKEi4lezWbvjeYEMVTqI4=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=yvr3WWcZrLTS3oTadSW09xTB7PntzIBvnfj675JoJi6Ve1HwL/u9+VnWQFZcZSKKY aYelaSpCY9AUqGGHPVhKztdI6oLfL4HfH74AcIlbk7uq6Zs7OW2svIPjsSFxpg2UOZ 39ZzJsgH69lpuuXbcbnE3n1e3w2dBjL/wbA1rNB0= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 07:45:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Marquis To: Lexi Winter cc: Matteo Riondato , Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: should FreeBSD-dhclient depend on FreeBSD-resolvconf? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7r257p26-qqs6-r1q3-9456-qn3o02rson6r@mx.roble.com> References: <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost> <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD.org> <89861E7A-64C7-47CB-89F6-A93AB14813FF@FreeBSD.org> <3E63F63B-0C90-43E2-BF55-30310B7599D3@FreeBSD.org> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:17403, ipnet:209.237.0.0/18, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cmv562NKfz3cQj On Wed, 15 Oct 2025, Lexi Winter wrote: > Matteo Riondato wrote in <3E63F63B-0C90-43E2-BF55-30310B7599D3@FreeBSD.org>: >> But then, what does ?minimal supported? mean, i.e., what role does >> ?supported? play? > ... > This metapackage installs the packages required to bring up a > basic multi-user system. I think most of us would define a minimal jail as having only those packages, files and directories necessary to: * start and show a jail as running: `service jail start $jail && jls', * provide access via the posix shell: `jexec $jail /bin/sh`, * add non-minimal packages: [mount $jailroot/usr/ports] and `pkg [add|install] $pkgname` As this leaves out critical packages like cron and syslogd these should probably be made dependencies of subsequent `pkg install`s. Adding those packages, dirs and files would convert a "minimal jail" to a "basic jail" with the goal being to most simply allow users to choose either at install-time. Roger From nobody Wed Oct 15 15:16:19 2025 X-Original-To: pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cmvn95GD2z6CXHw; Wed, 15 Oct 2025 15:16:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R13" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cmvn94Smsz3gTy; Wed, 15 Oct 2025 15:16:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1760541389; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=nnfytx3CeAHm4fCo6WNqXJ/Z9FVdiYGI1ZuGV17O6o8=; b=ugzQuTti8WohZ2ArY69B1JbJrjxmktxOjpMZhhEe/Bhnt8bb6yLgrFgoPqa+k/ZhbWihiJ 57/VDvIqbQEZFJJChjKY5Rx07ljfWu1WBlYmmEkF59IAO0B59x71P+mNeWI2ORkXSioX7z xF5EB3tq0Nu5sgqWZAbd5qGCbcZUTYL/6Pell5ImF29EM6bOUPV6m2CBw9nkN6sI7sMoDg isN/grSxEIdU3QWYKhOdzhYSy+Zsg/fdfUSqt7bNqutVRFBZ4XB1AlWF4hwg8MNUrnGjXT EzFg34JGfQ6yZsqVCCtVzVfSqa3VH3lDQzzQAIJ8skHBSfl7bSHGW9Y1WC48UQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1760541389; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=nnfytx3CeAHm4fCo6WNqXJ/Z9FVdiYGI1ZuGV17O6o8=; b=fXYp4M78K99cgQVTCtvX+x7YYrNg2eJpSfp1p8Id9iGzRratgmTynVShrwSwWR/ELeKJHc aKziZz/9lpHwPSLnx1qKFVip0TKVNkFKNhmv0nl3vsb5eNgGkyc5KrpXiOEjIJy9R83tPu l00tE0u56DZv/qdRUZKhNeqwa5E/nMCFXi9UnVIgQMitO8QuIbX2/ID43gWJefSOSfmhLY bybiFeZ0u3qrrv6R3ewARC+CBHQMSbg271dJSlSlgVoz44Onq5rf6/Hjx3Q9NOczRcGLba OKCfeTbhIUlLZcJkGEix5s78/JAexcYzWKzby0R/JOX6V/SVMff/UXaFhAfW0g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1760541389; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=jJnZE8DwUqz/zsWb7QwQBHUZHVwi6/jxgNBL+GFgUg+rbGulOKzDdAMIaw5dO+8S9/ULBD 6kNsUVCda+yXm8Ht4cec6twXQSNhPkJ3vJzeD625/E8YiK9vAemZ5o37H/ehw1K4vWDvEc CV1fJ+3a0ryUiY6U5ECmD8uHj69YXQMzebMvSYtOAEKgu8doy7ethot/iol0cyADiokFaP mWsZUMmDtcwM6AKaYz2zmJdo+SZuLX/RuziD9gXUV7Hdeq1HloQ10g7/fX3OKUTraFe0wu V/xKu2bV3y+HP/KL9lL6vOjGhPKi6RUfgRRPi90e2C2fLj8jOev3K1aAXWxJ5A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from amaryllis.le-fay.org (amaryllis.le-fay.org [IPv6:2a00:1098:6b:400::9]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: ivy/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4cmvn8700szCNq; Wed, 15 Oct 2025 15:16:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 16:16:19 +0100 From: Lexi Winter To: Roger Marquis Cc: Matteo Riondato , Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: should FreeBSD-dhclient depend on FreeBSD-resolvconf? Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Roger Marquis , Matteo Riondato , Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost> <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD.org> <89861E7A-64C7-47CB-89F6-A93AB14813FF@FreeBSD.org> <3E63F63B-0C90-43E2-BF55-30310B7599D3@FreeBSD.org> <7r257p26-qqs6-r1q3-9456-qn3o02rson6r@mx.roble.com> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7KCbEGspAgC8rypo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7r257p26-qqs6-r1q3-9456-qn3o02rson6r@mx.roble.com> --7KCbEGspAgC8rypo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Roger Marquis wrote in <7r257p26-qqs6-r1q3-9456-qn3o02rson6r@mx.roble.com>: > I think most of us would define a minimal jail again -- i appreciate this is not very clear from the package name -- the "minimal-jail" set is not "a minimal jail". it is the "minimal" set, i.e. the set of packages required for a basic multi-user UNIX system, but without packages which don't work in a jail. we will never ship a set for a "minimal jail" because this is entirely up to the user requirements. there is *no* package which is absolutely required to install a jail, because it depends on what you will install in the jail. so it doesn't make sense to ship any sort of package set like this. > * provide access via the posix shell: `jexec $jail /bin/sh`, /bin/sh is not required for a jail. --7KCbEGspAgC8rypo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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From: Matteo Riondato In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 12:05:24 -0400 Cc: Roger Marquis , Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <822F9D2B-A82F-4765-8765-6604F9F79CBC@FreeBSD.org> References: <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost> <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD.org> <89861E7A-64C7-47CB-89F6-A93AB14813FF@FreeBSD.org> <3E63F63B-0C90-43E2-BF55-30310B7599D3@FreeBSD.org> <7r257p26-qqs6-r1q3-9456-qn3o02rson6r@mx.roble.com> To: Lexi Winter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6.1.21) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cmwst1mcrz3pX3 > On Oct 15, 2025, at 11:16 AM, Lexi Winter wrote: >=20 > Roger Marquis wrote in = <7r257p26-qqs6-r1q3-9456-qn3o02rson6r@mx.roble.com>: >> I think most of us would define a minimal jail >=20 > again -- i appreciate this is not very clear from the package name -- > the "minimal-jail" set is not "a minimal jail". it is the "minimal" > set, i.e. the set of packages required for a basic multi-user UNIX > system, but without packages which don't work in a jail. Would calling it =E2=80=9Cbasic-jail=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cstandard-jail=E2= =80=9D (terms used in previous emails on this thread) perhaps be more = descriptive? Thanks, Matteo From nobody Wed Oct 15 16:57:01 2025 X-Original-To: pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cmy1C6rJFz6Cg42; Wed, 15 Oct 2025 16:57:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Received: from mx5.roble.com (mx5.roble.com [209.237.23.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cmy1C4p0tz3vL3; Wed, 15 Oct 2025 16:57:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from roble.com (roble.com [209.237.23.50]) by mx5.roble.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C4D424D5; Wed, 15 Oct 2025 09:57:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=roble.com; s=rs060402; t=1760547421; bh=+BvhR/qQ9mx9IMpZqSXt0yYW5fa0an0cTUjzbnnCzNc=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=BvFT2tqLXbkAja8a5CKUYTgIy1EA18IJPw/K5T+XtwWoMbt9e0IaDMQNTft0jfZPX mL/qaIzHlxyW1t1oc2IPTA5/WRxZnQbLtWnIYA5Bzsyxmudmnvr9dJ9r7HfHWEvW9o 7yZ9zOrP0zzy/5WlXhqH7smqb2/h0O4xHz2NPi7M= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 09:57:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Marquis To: Lexi Winter cc: Matteo Riondato , Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: should FreeBSD-dhclient depend on FreeBSD-resolvconf? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost> <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD.org> <89861E7A-64C7-47CB-89F6-A93AB14813FF@FreeBSD.org> <3E63F63B-0C90-43E2-BF55-30310B7599D3@FreeBSD.org> <7r257p26-qqs6-r1q3-9456-qn3o02rson6r@mx.roble.com> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:17403, ipnet:209.237.0.0/18, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cmy1C4p0tz3vL3 On Wed, 15 Oct 2025, Lexi Winter wrote: > Roger Marquis wrote in <7r257p26-qqs6-r1q3-9456-qn3o02rson6r@mx.roble.com>: >> I think most of us would define a minimal jail > we will never ship a set for a "minimal jail" because this is entirely > up to the user requirements. there is *no* package which is absolutely > required to install a jail, because it depends on what you will install > in the jail. so it doesn't make sense to ship any sort of package set > like this. How could it not make sense when 'distroless' Linux container images are so popular? 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Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Roger Marquis , Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD.org> <89861E7A-64C7-47CB-89F6-A93AB14813FF@FreeBSD.org> <3E63F63B-0C90-43E2-BF55-30310B7599D3@FreeBSD.org> <7r257p26-qqs6-r1q3-9456-qn3o02rson6r@mx.roble.com> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pGgWlkskTzDhD1Dr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: --pGgWlkskTzDhD1Dr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger Marquis wrote in : > On Wed, 15 Oct 2025, Lexi Winter wrote: > > we will never ship a set for a "minimal jail" because this is entirely > > up to the user requirements. there is *no* package which is absolutely > > required to install a jail, because it depends on what you will install > > in the jail. so it doesn't make sense to ship any sort of package set > > like this. >=20 > How could it not make sense when 'distroless' Linux container images are > so popular? i have no idea what a "distroless Linux container image" is. could you please describe this in more detail? --pGgWlkskTzDhD1Dr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 6f923c166dfcd6eaa24e05b411f693c8; Wed, 15 Oct 2025 17:12:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: user feedback Message-Id: <64A959FA-EBA7-4754-8B41-80E3047D6B68@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 10:12:39 -0700 To: Lexi Winter , FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) References: <64A959FA-EBA7-4754-8B41-80E3047D6B68.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.988]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.68.205:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.68.205:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cmyMX1TbFz3xKd Lexi Winter wrote on Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 12:46:27 UTC : > infoomatic wrote in <06f829a7-4378-4a24-a3db-f929d812cddd@gmx.at>: > > I just want to give some feedback regarding package base. >=20 > . . . > > 4.) I bricked the system with "pkg delete -af", as was discussed = already on > > this mailing list. This should not be possible, in my opinion. >=20 > i do not know what else you expected here. if you remove the base = system, > then the system can no longer boot, because you removed it. the = solution > is to not do that. >=20 > as an aside, i am confused about the number of people who seem to run > "pkg delete -af" as a matter of course. where did you learn to do = this? > is there some FreeBSD YouTuber telling people to do this? [Note: "involved", as referenced below, is intended to be tied to updating a live environment that is using the pkgbase materials in question.] This is easy to understand for a context with pkgbase not involved --and going back there was a time when it was never involved for a lot of = folks. Such also applies to "pkg delete -a" and confirming the delete instead = of also using -f . The -f is a secondary aspect, not primary here. So when did I use "pkg delete -a" (I did not use the -f but would review and confirm/deny)? Without pkgbase in use, it is valid to delete all port-packages (or all but pkg itself when pkg protects itself) and then start over for = installing port-packages. I used to do this to clean out all port-package = experiments that I'd explicitly installed (so autoremove would not delete what was explicitly installed) and then would get back to my standard set of packages with an eventual install command referencing a file listing = what to install. One by one cleanup was a waste of effort/time and was potentially error prone. (This was prior to my having pkgbase in use.) "man pkg-delete" reports: -f, --force Forces packages to be removed despite leaving unresolved dependencies. In combination with the -a or --all flag, causes pkg(8) to be removed as well as all other = packages. That even says that -a -f is supposed to just-work as described --and without pkgbase involved that is just port-packages that are involved. But when pkgbase is involved in the context, it fails to delete various packages (last I tested the self destruct operation). The wording is not a description of the reality for when pkgbase is involved, even if what is described would be a self-destruct operation when pkgbase is involved. Again, -a without -f has the same issue if the -a is confirmed. -f is not essential to the issue --and, in fact, I did not use -f and did review the port-package list that -a presented back before I had pkgbase involved. I could imagine that as long as pkgbase being involved leads to not working as described, that if pkgbase is involved in the context at the time, -a could be refused with a message indicating that "pkg delete -a" is not yet correctly supported when pkgbase is in use in the context. 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Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Roger Marquis , Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD.org> <89861E7A-64C7-47CB-89F6-A93AB14813FF@FreeBSD.org> <3E63F63B-0C90-43E2-BF55-30310B7599D3@FreeBSD.org> <7r257p26-qqs6-r1q3-9456-qn3o02rson6r@mx.roble.com> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xRuoIOtLaVCkKrhp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: --xRuoIOtLaVCkKrhp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lexi Winter wrote in : > Roger Marquis wrote in : > > On Wed, 15 Oct 2025, Lexi Winter wrote: > > > we will never ship a set for a "minimal jail" because this is entirely > > > up to the user requirements. there is *no* package which is absolute= ly > > > required to install a jail, because it depends on what you will insta= ll > > > in the jail. so it doesn't make sense to ship any sort of package set > > > like this. > >=20 > > How could it not make sense when 'distroless' Linux container images are > > so popular? 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > … do not use freebsd-update and pkgbase on the same system. i believe > freebsd-update was recently fixed to refuse to run in this configuration, > but the fix might not have made it to a -RELEASE branch yet. … Sorry, the errata notice mentioned in my previous email was for a different issue. 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… do not use freebsd-update and pkgbase on the same system.  i believe
freebsd-update was recently fixed to refuse to run in this configuration,
but the fix might not have made it to a -RELEASE branch yet. …


Sorry, the errata notice mentioned in my previous email was for a different issue. 

I thought of errata notices because of the needs_errata+ flag at <https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=289368#h9>. 


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RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::432:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cn3QC6Dmfz3KnR On 15/10/2025 13:46, Lexi Winter wrote: > … for 15.0, we should have Handbook documentation describing > pkgbase. currently, we do not. exists. in August was intended to be the first of a series of improvements, before the first alpha of FreeBSD 15.0. Attention to package database backup, and so on. Robert, I'm sorry that things there did not go as planned. 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In-Reply-To: References: <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: <1dab51ef73837d98d5b5c36ef1e39118@bsdforge.com> X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_71c1a582787d02985cbe37a671b88a41" X-Spamd-Bar: ++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.00 / 15.00]; R_DKIM_REJECT(1.00)[ultimatedns.net:s=mx99]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/mixed,text/plain]; MIME_UNKNOWN(0.10)[application/pgp-keys]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US]; local_wl_ip(0.00)[24.113.41.81]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ultimatedns.net:-]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[pkgbase@freebsd.org,current@freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=multimap; Matched map: local_wl_ip X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cn5PY3VcSz3SX8 --=_71c1a582787d02985cbe37a671b88a41 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 2025-10-15 05:16, Lexi Winter wrote: > Ronald Klop wrote in <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost>: >> Yesterday I installed a 15-BETA1 jail using pkgbase >> FreeBSD-set-minimal-jail. I was missing FreeBSD-dhclient which is >> fine and I installed it. Then it didn't have DNS as FreeBSD-resolvconf >> was missing. I understand that theoretically dhclient can operate >> without resolvconf, but in practice they seem pretty useful together. >> >> Should FreeBSD-dhclient depend on FreeBSD-resolvconf? > > dhclient should depend on resolvconf and i will fix this. > > i am curious how widespread dhclient use in jails is. should we add > dhclient to set-minimal-jail? > > NB, "set-minimal-jail" is not intended to be the smallest possible set > of packages for a jail; it's meant to be "minimal" (the basic base system) > for jails. > so if dhclient use in jails is widespread, we should probably > add it to minimal-jail. IMHO isn't the HOST responsible for routing? 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OK ls boot boot d zfs d efi loader.conf entropy d firmware My proposal - always keep a MINIMUM set of files allowing to show loader(8) boot menu - so anyone - even after wiping their FreeBSD system with pkg(8) - will be able to boot into other backup ZFS Boot Environment. From nobody Thu Oct 16 08:43:45 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cnM1k6nNVz6Cntw for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2025 08:43:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olce@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R13" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cnM1k65rhz3TnK; Thu, 16 Oct 2025 08:43:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olce@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1760604234; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=ycQWEoCf2Yhz9w62R0eCaqAxeKlG9rEZfDjhCHELTaU=; b=WTv8Ire1wDsObKGzrvTWBwS9heub9Fu+vi6g+HAHA/Se4GN0oFtFxs5PaXeOyA0p1Vmm5M 4tJQG5IarVHU3GDEtdJIquzS6wJSbaibcwOb2+aqdUL4Juh102CUSZibYcEoQ6E8Cz6N5o b2vMcXQCk2x88HYiggv2FUIulixqDZ1a/o1jwULUTWlqccw9eDKAKeALz4Vs4SN/M762FU gVgEjAIJC76iClROC5WuLV6AdR4eKPm3kIU0jKp7Tak341lp/zEvgaZy5JML8XYhEJffC8 3SexJKwOzCKgk1J58ZejQIVSuw3sXkLk5IYGO1ELKgjRUVK0AzoFBGaywzElaQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1760604234; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=ycQWEoCf2Yhz9w62R0eCaqAxeKlG9rEZfDjhCHELTaU=; b=PZ9kplkoxEctm7J7v/3syUdgj94TzecVrLXl27DIJNaftuGAAeQSjB4DNF6gVX6WVw4cuN 5pjgRUbNj/FMrD9OHyGN0n/mNvVY7UAbmw5FRq1DfDDGsoWOwnRERaNydUaAoSlIjRcu/U TMRy0iHcb+VmB0wPLdZCRdlGa5cZnw5iwpdSi7NFk4zNXDnksSahXL/x0MgDwVY+vN5C8I z+Zd9nrmsw7Xlhz8EtrDDtMecZaj2AaZtOXGvkBavHPjHQUwphUDQHrjszpjdbYtLoefRe v3Tx1iRbJ1jclP0HdN92ucVD0ZvT34QH/VXpU90G7J1bwVkPoGV03j7O866Www== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1760604234; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=HZXrUVzjk+KKRfGltOFhsWnJmKh6K2sGXPKVFZEO9NXnQWQlTOt4ZuUP7+j25/SX5gdxHk evht8gYPv0O/y5s18cTfv7vZ4kGiH+/LwVEXnFrqzVMPQPt1LStheCeH8zBOuPyLOrRfSC 6p2dh75+bp0PMnPobcpgJhbFBsZDHfycpqZJjgfD18D4P2nMu93gRdxzDh8iJ0DD9MMsp3 mYoSdNCOxGZQ3SAWLJ8M1R1rxB9NPSmwcpItnAYs8yx4bNbryybiQou3GEl+IDYQCMPJHZ d4sX+1WCgcnI4d/JgJz8pHjhWKMlGTrfd+G29AhPJ3x3ddtB0oxiJmuerM7exg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ravel.localnet (aclermont-ferrand-653-1-222-123.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.14.66.123]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: olce/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4cnM1k37Ckzq2V; Thu, 16 Oct 2025 08:43:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olce@freebsd.org) From: Olivier Certner To: Lexi Winter Cc: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: user feedback Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 10:43:45 +0200 Message-ID: <3294629.dr8DHy2Ehi@ravel> In-Reply-To: References: <06f829a7-4378-4a24-a3db-f929d812cddd@gmx.at> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart5519979.hZNMGjoUbN"; micalg="pgp-sha384"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --nextPart5519979.hZNMGjoUbN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; protected-headers="v1" From: Olivier Certner To: Lexi Winter Cc: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: user feedback Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 10:43:45 +0200 Message-ID: <3294629.dr8DHy2Ehi@ravel> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi Lexi, > as an aside, i am confused about the number of people who seem to run > "pkg delete -af" as a matter of course. where did you learn to do this? > is there some FreeBSD YouTuber telling people to do this? These options' behavior must have existed from pkg's start (didn't check precisely). I'm one of those who rarely read the Handbook or go to the FreeBSD Forums, and certainly don't follow random YouTubers. I started using '-a' regularly as I tend to rebuild all packages in one go, and very rarely do incremental builds. In the past, there have been recurring update problems, because ports are split, moved, etc., because (before poudriere) ports would silently pick dependencies from installed software at build, and sometimes because of bugs in pkg itself. Rebuilding all packages, deleting the old ones and installing the new spares you from having to deal with any such fallout or with precise 'pkg' stances and their ordering as UPDATING sometimes provides (but not always). When you do this process, you quickly learn to add '-f' to '-a' to get rid of the existing 'pkg' package before bootstrapping a new one. And especially since poudriere made its way, easing and speeding building packages a lot, I wouldn't be surprised if lots of people do exactly the same and routinely use 'pkg delete -af'. > i do not know what else you expected here. if you remove the base system, > then the system can no longer boot, because you removed it. the solution > is to not do that. In practice, the changed scope of '-a', which with pkgbase includes base packages, is a big deal as inevitably some people will shoot themselves in the foot *by surprise* (you could argue that there can be no surprises with '-f', but using it was "safe" before). It's not that it doesn't make sense in terms of behavior, but it is especially unfriendly. In case of false manipulation, we are talking about *destroying* a whole system, not just an obscure bug in a niche case. I have a hard time considering it as something else than an important POLA violation. Not sure what the best way forward is, but this "problem" has to be acknowledged and handled. > freebsd-update will be fully supported in 15.x and is planned to be > removed for 16.0. in 15.0, pkgbase is shipped as a "tech preview" > feature. Doing so at least prolongs the period where 'pkg delete -a' keeps its current behavior, which is good. Having 'pkg delete -a' work differently on the same version (15.0) depending on whether using pkgbase or not makes me uneasy from an administrator's point of view, but that could be understandable and perhaps acceptable if accompanied by copious warnings and public communication. For now, I still tend to think that we should be able to somehow keep a distinction between base and ports for 'pkg delete -a'. I didn't follow closely but IIRC you were considering solving that by tagging (some) base packages as vital, which may or may not be enough (argument against: Once you've removed some base packages by accident, but can still execute some basic commands thanks to those flagged vital, your system is not dead but you'd better have a set of base packages available to re-install; if you used poudriere just to rebuild ports, you don't necessarily have them handy; flagging all base packages as vital does not seem to make much sense, and anyway leads us back to square one). Here are some rough ideas, hoping they could help. Sorry if they have been considered already. Perhaps have some per-repo (or per-set if that makes sense?) flag indicating that 'pkg delete -a' should not operate on installed ports coming from these? And have a new 'pkg delete -A' whose scope really is all packages, regardless of the flags? Another cause of the current situation is that '-f' is overloaded, serving both to ignore dependencies and to allow to remove 'pkg' when used with '-a'. Changing, e.g., '-f' to only have the first effect would be a much smaller POLA violation: 'pkg delete -af' would stop removing 'pkg', so people would learn to use another stance to do so (we would have to provide one if none other exists, as I think it's the case) and hopefully forget about using '-f' with '-a'. These could be combined, and most probably there are other possibilities. Thanks and regards. PS: Could you please consider removing or fixing the "Mail-Followup-To:" headers from your mails to mailing lists? 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To: Roger Marquis , Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000094bef806414478d2" X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.50 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rabson-org.20230601.gappssmtp.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[dfr]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12c:from]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rabson.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[pkgbase@freebsd.org]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[pkgbase@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rabson-org.20230601.gappssmtp.com:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cnPyz6Mk8z3jrN --00000000000094bef806414478d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 at 18:23, Lexi Winter wrote: > Lexi Winter wrote in : > > Roger Marquis wrote in < > q352p06q-s3ro-r489-s82r-o45n5219os65@mx.roble.com>: > > > On Wed, 15 Oct 2025, Lexi Winter wrote: > > > > we will never ship a set for a "minimal jail" because this is > entirely > > > > up to the user requirements. there is *no* package which is > absolutely > > > > required to install a jail, because it depends on what you will > install > > > > in the jail. so it doesn't make sense to ship any sort of package > set > > > > like this. > > > > > > How could it not make sense when 'distroless' Linux container images > are > > > so popular? > > > > i have no idea what a "distroless Linux container image" is. could you > > please describe this in more detail? > > i asked another committer about this, and they explained that a > "distroless Linux container image" is a container image which only > contains basic system files like /etc/passwd and /etc/resolv.conf, > for use with a statically-linked application, like a Go app. > > this is something i would like to support in pkgbase and am actively > working on, but it has nothing to do with sets, at least not right now. > > certainly, if we do support this in pkgbase, it will have nothing to do > with the "minimal" set. > > does that make sense? > For what it's worth, the freebsd-static and freebsd-dynamic OCI images which are part of our release build are inspired by Google's distroless images (https://github.com/GoogleContainerTools/distroless). --00000000000094bef806414478d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, 15 Oct = 2025 at 18:23, Lexi Winter <ivy@freeb= sd.org> wrote:
Lexi Winter wrote in <aO_S4wiMow1vDa-a@amaryllis.le-fay.org>= ;:
> Roger Marquis wrote in <q352p06q-s3ro-r489-s82r-o45n521= 9os65@mx.roble.com>:
> > On Wed, 15 Oct 2025, Lexi Winter wrote:
> > > we will never ship a set for a "minimal jail" beca= use this is entirely
> > > up to the user requirements.=C2=A0 there is *no* package whi= ch is absolutely
> > > required to install a jail, because it depends on what you w= ill install
> > > in the jail.=C2=A0 so it doesn't make sense to ship any = sort of package set
> > > like this.
> >
> > How could it not make sense when 'distroless' Linux conta= iner images are
> > so popular?
>
> i have no idea what a "distroless Linux container image" is.= =C2=A0 could you
> please describe this in more detail?

i asked another committer about this, and they explained that a
"distroless Linux container image" is a container image which onl= y
contains basic system files like /etc/passwd and /etc/resolv.conf,
for use with a statically-linked application, like a Go app.

this is something i would like to support in pkgbase and am actively
working on, but it has nothing to do with sets, at least not right now.

certainly, if we do support this in pkgbase, it will have nothing to do
with the "minimal" set.

does that make sense?

For what it's= worth, the freebsd-static and freebsd-dynamic OCI images which are part of= our release build are inspired by Google's distroless images (https://github.com/= GoogleContainerTools/distroless).
=C2=A0
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There is very little official about the FreeBSD forums. They are hosted by the project, but the moderators are mostly not project members and the project does not monitor what goes on there. 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Message-ID: Disposition-Notification-To: Feedback-ID: 94987605:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: dcffa11e9aa6f01648244477b36f53b00f47ff4e List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.99 / 15.00]; HEADER_FORGED_MDN(2.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.995]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[proton.me,quarantine]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[proton.me:s=protonmail]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:109.224.244.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:109.224.244.0/24, country:CH]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[109.224.244.30:from]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[proton.me:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cnbq2289Tz46Hd i noticed that i have FreeBSD-src and FreeBSD-src-sys installed even though= i never installed them, when i tried to remove them with pkg remove FreeBS= D-src-sys i got pkg remove FreeBSD-src-sys-15.0.b1.20251015211959 Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) 1 packages requested for removal: 0 locked, 1 missing the "1 missing" really confused me, if it wasn't for a helpful guy from the= community i wouldn't have figured out that the issue was that "FreeBSD-set= -src" is marked as vital, so i think it would really helpful if it is possi= ble that pkg can tell that instead of saying "1 missing" another thing that confuses me is whether or not FreeBSD-set-src is marked = as vital on purpose? 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 423d7dcf70e28f1041eecb8ee50f01b9; Fri, 17 Oct 2025 04:59:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: A repository enabled vs. disabled vs. missing oddity Message-Id: <6B06E72B-D35F-49F9-BAC4-5240896C2ADA@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 21:59:01 -0700 Cc: Colin Percival To: FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-pkg@freebsd.org, Lexi Winter , Baptiste Daroussin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) References: <6B06E72B-D35F-49F9-BAC4-5240896C2ADA.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.69.148:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.69.148:from]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cnt0B0Jlhz3LJb Note: The context does not have anything installed that is from FreeBSD-ports-kmods . The below is via a chroot on main 16 to media with a stable/15 installation. case 0: FreeBSD-ports-kmods enabled (case 1 will be: disabled) # cat /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf=20 # # To disable a repository, instead of modifying or removing this file, # create a /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf file, e.g.: # # mkdir -p /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos # echo "FreeBSD-ports: { enabled: no }" > = /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf # echo "FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { enabled: no }" >> = /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf # FreeBSD-base: { url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/base_latest", mirror_type: "srv", signature_type: "fingerprints", fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", enabled: no } FreeBSD-ports: { url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/latest", mirror_type: "srv", signature_type: "fingerprints", fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", enabled: yes } FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/kmods_latest", mirror_type: "srv", signature_type: "fingerprints", fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", enabled: yes } # cat /usr/local//etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf # # To disable a repository, instead of modifying or removing this file, # create a /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf file, e.g.: # # mkdir -p /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos # echo "FreeBSD-ports: { enabled: no }" > = /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf # echo "FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { enabled: no }" >> = /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf # #FreeBSD-base: { enabled: yes } #FreeBSD-ports: { enabled: no } #FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { enabled: no } # pkg repos FreeBSD-base: {=20 url : = "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/base_latest", enabled : no, priority : 0, mirror_type : "SRV", signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS", fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg" } FreeBSD-ports: {=20 url : = "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/latest", enabled : yes, priority : 0, mirror_type : "SRV", signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS", fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg" } FreeBSD-ports-kmods: {=20 url : = "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/kmods_latest", enabled : yes, priority : 0, mirror_type : "SRV", signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS", fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg" } (Which looks normal to me. As a cross check . . .) # pkg version -r FreeBSD-ports-kmods Updating FreeBSD-ports-kmods repository catalogue... Fetching data.pkg: 100% 29 KiB 29.9kB/s 00:01 =20 Processing entries: 100% FreeBSD-ports-kmods repository update completed. 200 packages processed. FreeBSD-ports-kmods is up to date. FreeBSD-acct-15.snap20251011015136 ? . . . ztop-0.3.0_6 ? That also looks normal to me. case 1: FreeBSD-ports-kmods disabled /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf is unchanged. # cat /usr/local//etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf # # To disable a repository, instead of modifying or removing this file, # create a /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf file, e.g.: # # mkdir -p /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos # echo "FreeBSD-ports: { enabled: no }" > = /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf # echo "FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { enabled: no }" >> = /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf # #FreeBSD-base: { enabled: yes } #FreeBSD-ports: { enabled: no } FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { enabled: no } # pkg repos FreeBSD-base: {=20 url : = "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/base_latest", enabled : no, priority : 0, mirror_type : "SRV", signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS", fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg" } FreeBSD-ports: {=20 url : = "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/latest", enabled : yes, priority : 0, mirror_type : "SRV", signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS", fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg" } (So FreeBSD-ports-kmods is missing instead of being listed as "enabled: no". As a cross check . . .) # pkg version -r FreeBSD-ports-kmods No repositories are enabled. Such does not look to be expected to me. 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Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Chris , Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost> <1dab51ef73837d98d5b5c36ef1e39118@bsdforge.com> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="z8A0Ujibr1GpqVY4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1dab51ef73837d98d5b5c36ef1e39118@bsdforge.com> --z8A0Ujibr1GpqVY4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Chris wrote in <1dab51ef73837d98d5b5c36ef1e39118@bsdforge.com>: > On 2025-10-15 05:16, Lexi Winter wrote: > > so if dhclient use in jails is widespread, we should probably > > add it to minimal-jail. > IMHO isn't the HOST responsible for routing? Doesn't that make dhclient > and friends somewhat unusual (not average jail(8) setup?). no, in VNET jails the jail does routing itself, including IP address assignment. while i personally prefer to do this statically, i believe it's fairly common to use DHCP (for IPv4) or SLAAC (for IPv6) to handle this automatically, especially in mass-hosting setups. since dhclient is fairly small (150kB) and DHCP is something people typically expect to "just work", i am leaning on the side of putting this into minimal-jail unless anyone has a strong objection. --z8A0Ujibr1GpqVY4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYKAB0WIQSyjTg96lp3RifySyn1nT63mIK/YAUCaPHc1QAKCRD1nT63mIK/ YBVEAP0QoFw8WEicvpaaDVc5S2qQxK9r4bJTnmfElNo2rAdwKgD8Ctftytn2y+Kg IvTkDXo5q6O4DnQkUKyYuZ5/WVBzlw0= =vH5v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --z8A0Ujibr1GpqVY4-- From nobody Fri Oct 17 07:13:02 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cnwyc4q6Jz6Cn03 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2025 07:13:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R13" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cnwyc40Kzz3g3G; Fri, 17 Oct 2025 07:13:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1760685192; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=vksju8q3D180rDmztpjOIp6OLJjXGzRiP2Mw9TWCK8U=; b=XB5Q1dTEuhHebPonA3BImjCgIxXwNh42e8NbLcvxPnv9tKlt89WF1TZyQvfbjkzDNwMKgL nRj6XNTYkDWy9U18PzEParTTY8VgnUjTnz5heMV/PbFV6zk7Of9KN1YSBE8nuh9n8rsxx3 jrQQ/6K8+gG6hr92k0WreZsR/Ns5rX6Gq0wASPeNYw1OdDzie0WEzBdO2BeWdP2hI1rKSp BH6wvq91vFLTmIN0HwHDuLhEEYCwHM1IF281T07qCrvbQmj5cqstTzUU0M2P8DNFKrlipk bESiQYQjGCKp3FRehSivwt2wlrd6x4lpv43GoSTMW74inUmkjclYoETXbUyPAA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1760685192; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=vksju8q3D180rDmztpjOIp6OLJjXGzRiP2Mw9TWCK8U=; b=Ybi0a9dAsQ/TWoTY1lcIHAM4YGQ4iS8gpPSQtcEziWXFRCRllCUzlKuzjJfGpUoZcofI0P z6rVEfEKruUFBBIkPsoZ0ujdwzCG5gwMQHJ0MvCnHL91IbC4xrBYHISG0r6GMvJamF7BY/ IGRVQDXMoTlXODAHj5yzqq0mX5iWJkLzOPuilhOS+m14aqiUAt8Flw/QbBAXpjXo6rWFvY nH8EiObzLT22XX/DDPDud5i1vQpsDaPVinIVhfDgWQkvW0ryWHeoaDltxBqiLfIeGATEhn ZmJjHYLcyc5hrmjOZaVaFhdyeN8kuAmTRwI1zWXnxo0UKHCUD1pEcq06F+3a4A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1760685192; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=pDfHRiuN8VTcjCvTqmKpgHiTqnIJfj9WtF/xrSpDNqPKTKYi3LgwM30/USI3L5ATHU/qY8 u/TD3wgu8+2c7FHvCGKNONqA9AuQLbxIfoPPM+kjlY5uBR9B/l/deG7KzZRz17MYwWRx55 9VXjjfikfSOK9cpMWkXacs069eom1U40faXczdecpkz033wOXagJSAOWdjOJmuXO2HxaPG cBGj+/GKhUYt3Nw1p2YaSsURcg230ki9duXGoEWjxSYDz85W6q1uf21v4mDNhfqp/LVu40 lbyeBMukxlbahEjih8RU5XexHvOxagLlaYa/OrL+ZZh2d6VcUjJp0CDAG8X4Rw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from amaryllis.le-fay.org (amaryllis.le-fay.org [IPv6:2a00:1098:6b:400::9]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: ivy/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4cnwyc1D8Gz5d8; Fri, 17 Oct 2025 07:13:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2025 08:13:02 +0100 From: Lexi Winter To: Olivier Certner Cc: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: user feedback Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Olivier Certner , freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <06f829a7-4378-4a24-a3db-f929d812cddd@gmx.at> <3294629.dr8DHy2Ehi@ravel> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DYtarVSTvWPyBdZn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3294629.dr8DHy2Ehi@ravel> --DYtarVSTvWPyBdZn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Olivier Certner wrote in <3294629.dr8DHy2Ehi@ravel>: > For now, I still tend to think that we should be able to somehow keep > a distinction between base and ports for 'pkg delete -a'. I didn't > follow closely but IIRC you were considering solving that by tagging > (some) base packages as vital, which may or may not be enough this is not sufficient: vital prevents 'pkg delete -a' from working, but doesn't affect 'pkg delete -af', since '-f' specifically means "i know what i'm doing, ignore any safeguards and remove the packages". this includes the vital flag. > (argument against: Once you've removed some base packages by accident, > but can still execute some basic commands thanks to those flagged > vital, your system is not dead but you'd better have a set of base > packages available to re-install; if you used poudriere just to > rebuild ports, you don't necessarily have them handy; flagging all > base packages as vital does not seem to make much sense, and anyway > leads us back to square one). if this were how it worked, that wouldn't be so bad: all sets are marked as vital, including set-minimal (which should provide a completely functional system by itself) as well as set-optional and set-base which are selectable in bsdinstall. however, the vital flag doesn't actually make a difference here. rather than changing the behaviour of pkg options, perhaps a solution here would be to more clearly indicate in the pkg delete output that vital packags will be removed. pkg already prints the list of packages to be removed, but since base packages are usually sorted first, most people probably don't bother reading the entire list. if we split this into a separate section, clearly marked as "Vital packages to be removed:", and perhaps changed to prompt to ask "Are you sure you want to remove these packages which are vital to the operation of the system?", people might be more likely to notice what they're asking for? > PS: Could you please consider removing or fixing the > "Mail-Followup-To:" headers from your mails to mailing lists? Not > only they remove your address from the default list of recipients when > replying to all (which you probably intended?), yes, this is intentional: my MUA automatically adds these headers so i don't get duplicate copies of replies to my list posts. (i filter these in procmail anyway, but sometimes list managers rewrite message-ids, so that isn't reliable.) > but they also add the address of the author of the mail you replied to > in "To:", which is in general wrong and annoying. i'm not sure what you mean here. when i reply to a list post, i put the author of the post i'm replying to in "To", and any list addresses or other relevant recipients in "Cc". that means over time, a particular (sub)thread will gradually collect more addresses in the To/Cc list. as far as i'm aware, this has always been the normal method to reply to list posts; Mail-Followup-To simpliy codifies this in a more standard way, and allows people to opt-out of receiving Cc copies if they don't want to. i do manually trim the Cc list if it's becoming excessively long, which should also remove those addresses from Mail-Followup-To. if other people set Mail-Followup-To headers as well, they won't end up in To/Cc in the first place, so this only affects people who have indicated they want the default mailing list behaviour (i.e., being on the Cc list for replies). it's not possible for me to manually set the To/Cc/Mail-Followup-To list to only include people who are not subscribed to a particular list, because i have no idea who is subscribed to what list. i could just set it to only include the list address, but then people who aren't subscribed to the list won't receive replies. --DYtarVSTvWPyBdZn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYKAB0WIQSyjTg96lp3RifySyn1nT63mIK/YAUCaPHsdwAKCRD1nT63mIK/ YDGNAP9+vQmS/wFyXleItVRdLYjoLLuX+/I6G4GnsCYcOjFj8gD/ebvdpWn/6PNF qY/FfLBOBe7Ekvkytb/DJxuTHhBVWQQ= =X/b/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DYtarVSTvWPyBdZn-- From nobody Fri Oct 17 07:44:11 2025 X-Original-To: pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cnxfY3z4Jz6CqGJ; Fri, 17 Oct 2025 07:44:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (udns.ultimatedns.net [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R13" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cnxfX6s1Cz3ks1; Fri, 17 Oct 2025 07:44:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=ultimatedns.net header.s=mx99 header.b=lAAFmazV; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bsd-lists@bsdforge.com designates 24.113.41.81 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 59H7iBOE033173; Fri, 17 Oct 2025 00:44:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ultimatedns.net; s=mx99; t=1760687060; x=1760687660; r=y; bh=zDpmyC39WwpW0fdG2g8pvfBc4AuulW8vFQwS+AvNFPA=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=lAAFmazV7iEIaBFHQUJpyTPsC6a3cLz9rH+uVg2uqlE4eyOjO24hSWWk00WZzu0jj X+wxSDkrBHll+3DaYKApGrSYaqHGy63RhSs524yOZXGRCj4dNYqvll593dgmuP9Nk8 kZoPIXH7/z9Sw7c6Gh+gqKcGsPpLjmTNpVl422oY+LkvUD7CmB3X3d/MWQyHwK3pCZ wJq4dmv8ZygSs3+9MSd9tQ0j+DbYNq3maeIj97qgyRVm0PueUTYWSzwtuObl+FgGvr NmIz80xPcAMwWh2YbFhpQ8pjv6AUp52t1hNzVtFtMKIVqXVO4B8B7zSqRVH9L3dAIe CA+MQFdlbU/wQ== List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2025 00:44:11 -0700 From: Chris To: Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: should FreeBSD-dhclient depend on FreeBSD-resolvconf? In-Reply-To: References: <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost> <1dab51ef73837d98d5b5c36ef1e39118@bsdforge.com> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_cea13dfe47afd2134e8f7236ba15f443" X-Spamd-Bar: ++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.00 / 15.00]; R_DKIM_REJECT(1.00)[ultimatedns.net:s=mx99]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/mixed,text/plain]; MIME_UNKNOWN(0.10)[application/pgp-keys]; local_wl_ip(0.00)[24.113.41.81]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[pkgbase@freebsd.org,current@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ultimatedns.net:-]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=multimap; Matched map: local_wl_ip X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cnxfX6s1Cz3ks1 --=_cea13dfe47afd2134e8f7236ba15f443 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 2025-10-16 23:06, Lexi Winter wrote: > Chris wrote in <1dab51ef73837d98d5b5c36ef1e39118@bsdforge.com>: >> On 2025-10-15 05:16, Lexi Winter wrote: >> > so if dhclient use in jails is widespread, we should probably >> > add it to minimal-jail. >> IMHO isn't the HOST responsible for routing? Doesn't that make dhclient >> and friends somewhat unusual (not average jail(8) setup?). > > no, in VNET jails the jail does routing itself, including IP address > assignment. while i personally prefer to do this statically, i believe > it's fairly common to use DHCP (for IPv4) or SLAAC (for IPv6) to handle > this automatically, especially in mass-hosting setups. > > since dhclient is fairly small (150kB) and DHCP is something people > typically expect to "just work", i am leaning on the side of putting > this into minimal-jail unless anyone has a strong objection. No objection here. Just didn't seem like a very common jail need from my perspective. But now that you mention it. I can easily see it's value. 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Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost> <1dab51ef73837d98d5b5c36ef1e39118@bsdforge.com> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eG6+cWA37HnZqNfJ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: --eG6+cWA37HnZqNfJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Lexi Winter wrote in : > since dhclient is fairly small (150kB) and DHCP is something people > typically expect to "just work", i am leaning on the side of putting > this into minimal-jail unless anyone has a strong objection. https://reviews.freebsd.org/D53154 --eG6+cWA37HnZqNfJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYKAB0WIQSyjTg96lp3RifySyn1nT63mIK/YAUCaPH2BwAKCRD1nT63mIK/ YG0YAP47Mh0sbyqOKCswKiW8CBvrSgzBoOaznLyr3vzKtFd5AAEA03iRtc3Jc99A djIibprCq1wOj+B4H8JKpPAevdxNvgI= =UWXZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eG6+cWA37HnZqNfJ-- From nobody Fri Oct 17 10:28:26 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cp1J42RKsz6D3ZK; 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END QUOTE The pkg Makefile has long had the following to avoid the patch for FreeBSD: .if !exists(/usr/include/jail.h) EXTRA_PATCHES=3D ${FILESDIR}/extra-patch-docs_pkg.8 .endif Of course various port makefiles could have a variety of context checks based on previously known differences between a downstream and FreeBSD itself. Less is known in a selective pkgbase install or jail context. Some sort of exp run based on a poudriere jail that has some sort of fairly minimal context in order to find other examples? =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Sat Oct 18 22:19:39 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cpx2G05Wjz6Crfm; Sat, 18 Oct 2025 22:19:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo69.interia.pl (smtpo69.interia.pl [217.74.67.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cpx2D5GHlz3JRS; Sat, 18 Oct 2025 22:19:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=interia.pl header.s=biztos header.b=JsOCjnmt; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=interia.pl; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vermaden@interia.pl designates 217.74.67.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vermaden@interia.pl Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2025 00:19:39 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: New PKGBASE Alias Proposal To: Lexi Winter Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: References: X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.8 Message-Id: List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1760825981; bh=Xt1S8GD1rXj2qOdMqtAiNQu82B2+lDJ85KfAjM6KVhE=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JsOCjnmtDdPI2GWZmMG9o1lmRQoGXpHKzTRFCQWwlw6j8Oa9mERpPfnMKK7h9VSJ4 qhH0nuYdTr0gfj7eWHGnjdvo4wM83di2XYnd9M+Z13ZW/JV4qg1VoZ7vfKmii7blWP ye8Tv9MPcbzndxFP6HNtlxL0oWg9UE+NljGhLgsM= X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.12 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[interia.pl:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.62)[-0.618]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[interia.pl,quarantine]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.74.64.0/22]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[interia.pl:s=biztos]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[217.74.67.69:from]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUSPICIOUS_AUTH_ORIGIN(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[interia.pl:+]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org,freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[interia.pl]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[interia.pl] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cpx2D5GHlz3JRS Submitted: https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/2543 Temat: Re: New PKGBASE Alias Proposal Data: 2025-10-17 12:28 Nadawca: "Lexi Winter" <ivy@freebsd.org> Adresat: "vermaden" <vermaden@interia.pl>; DW: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org; > > > vermaden wrote in : >> After messing a little with PKGBASE this one could be handy: >> >> root@pkgbase:~ # grep -e '^ALIAS' -e sets -e '^}' /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf >> ALIAS { >> sets = "info -d -C -x '^FreeBSD-set-'"; >> } > > you should submit this as a pkg(8) issue at > https://github.com/freebsd/pkg. > > that said, i'm not sure this is generally useful enough to warrant an > inclusion in pkg.conf by default. i am wondering about writing a > pkgset(8) tool to handle sets, which would also help to work around > pkg's unhelpful behaviour when removing a dependency of a vital > package. From nobody Sat Oct 18 22:30:31 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cpxGp17tTz6CsR6; Sat, 18 Oct 2025 22:30:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo49.interia.pl (smtpo49.interia.pl [217.74.67.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cpxGn2Z0bz3Lw0; Sat, 18 Oct 2025 22:30:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=interia.pl header.s=biztos header.b="OLl5Xz/9"; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=interia.pl; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vermaden@interia.pl designates 217.74.67.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vermaden@interia.pl Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2025 00:30:31 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: pkg(8) Repos To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.8 Message-Id: List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1760826634; bh=QeVofh5YBXDoePo2+lsqt92YHhGPDbFed4mPM17uyOU=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OLl5Xz/9cQeDHyzK0a41H0M4bvCxhldxvjsgJsfb4jXg8F4KDdVwepCSNfr7l7afR VCWlYHeAt/4dBBIisVRTC0C2//JuIB1TvAlJmbSfvfupa5A39eSdAEgmwJjboBj8V8 ksKTbnEP50+VahdMnkrGTWMHB1J0tDOdYQt682XI= X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.03 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[interia.pl:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.53)[-0.531]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[interia.pl,quarantine]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.74.64.0/22:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[interia.pl:s=biztos]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[217.74.67.49:from]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; SUSPICIOUS_AUTH_ORIGIN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[interia.pl:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[interia.pl]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org,freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org,freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[interia.pl] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cpxGn2Z0bz3Lw0 Hi. I just checked one interesting thing - here are the facts - on the 15.0-BETA1 (I doubt its different on BETA2). The 'third party' packages pkg(8) repos config is in the _Base System_ /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf file. root@pkgbase:~ # grep '^[^#]' /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf FreeBSD-ports: { url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/quarterly", mirror_type: "srv", signature_type: "fingerprints", fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", enabled: yes } FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/kmods_quarterly_${VERSION_MINOR}", mirror_type: "srv", signature_type: "fingerprints", fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", enabled: yes } The _Base System_ packages pkg(8) repos config is in the 'third party' /usr/local/etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf file. root@pkgbase:~ # grep '^[^#]' /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD-base.conf FreeBSD-base: { url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/base_latest", mirror_type: "srv", signature_type: "fingerprints", fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", enabled: yes } This is the DEFAULT setup just after the bsdinstall(8) installation. I mean .. where is the LOGIC in that? Its EXACTLY the opposite as it should be ... 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 6f6bcfe2f0433db21b87ada3d05f8990; Sun, 19 Oct 2025 02:14:20 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: RE: pkg(8) Repos Message-Id: <2AA9A89B-AC7F-4161-83BC-190828C8A1F2@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2025 19:14:10 -0700 To: vermaden@nteria.pl, FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) References: <2AA9A89B-AC7F-4161-83BC-190828C8A1F2.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.991]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.69.206:from]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.69.206:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cq2Dx0mJWz4Mdq vermaden wrote on Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2025 22:30:31 UTC : > I just checked one interesting thing - here are the facts - on the = 15.0-BETA1 (I doubt its different on BETA2). >=20 > The 'third party' packages pkg(8) repos config is in the _Base System_ = /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf file. >=20 > root@pkgbase:~ # grep '^[^#]' /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf=20 > FreeBSD-ports: { > url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/quarterly", > mirror_type: "srv", > signature_type: "fingerprints", > fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", > enabled: yes > } > FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { > url: = "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/kmods_quarterly_${VERSION_MINOR}", > mirror_type: "srv", > signature_type: "fingerprints", > fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", > enabled: yes > } >=20 > The _Base System_ packages pkg(8) repos config is in the 'third party' = /usr/local/etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf file. >=20 > root@pkgbase:~ # grep '^[^#]' = /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD-base.conf=20 > FreeBSD-base: { > url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/base_latest", > mirror_type: "srv", > signature_type: "fingerprints", > fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", > enabled: yes > } >=20 > This is the DEFAULT setup just after the bsdinstall(8) installation. >=20 > I mean .. where is the LOGIC in that? >=20 > Its EXACTLY the opposite as it should be ... The plan for 15 is that, eventually, all 3 will be in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf . See Colin Percival's note in: = https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable/2025-October/003435.html= about moving FreeBSD-base to /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf : QUOTE I'm planning on putting a "FreeBSD-base" repository configuration into /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf in 15. It will be disabled by default, in order to avoid "pkg delete -af" problems, but "pkg upgrade -r FreeBSD-base" should work out of the box. The reasons this hasn't happened yet have to do with release engineering processes and setting up the systems for building updates securely. END QUOTE Things are still of a status where one needs to ask if what one observes is actually the intent for 15.0-RELEASE or not. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 9f446b188c4914c942033eecefb3c2e3; Sun, 19 Oct 2025 05:25:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: pkg(8) Repos Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2025 22:25:27 -0700 References: <2AA9A89B-AC7F-4161-83BC-190828C8A1F2@yahoo.com> To: vermaden , FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2AA9A89B-AC7F-4161-83BC-190828C8A1F2@yahoo.com> Message-Id: <04389B14-AED3-4DB8-9522-2D72C2D05A13@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.56 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.56)[-0.559]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[interia.pl,freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.69.148:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.69.148:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cq6Tg6Ld7z3SJ8 [Correcting an Email address typo.] vermaden wrote on Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2025 22:30:31 UTC : > I just checked one interesting thing - here are the facts - on the = 15.0-BETA1 (I doubt its different on BETA2). >=20 > The 'third party' packages pkg(8) repos config is in the _Base System_ = /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf file. >=20 > root@pkgbase:~ # grep '^[^#]' /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf=20 > FreeBSD-ports: { > url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/quarterly", > mirror_type: "srv", > signature_type: "fingerprints", > fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", > enabled: yes > } > FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { > url: = "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/kmods_quarterly_${VERSION_MINOR}", > mirror_type: "srv", > signature_type: "fingerprints", > fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", > enabled: yes > } >=20 > The _Base System_ packages pkg(8) repos config is in the 'third party' = /usr/local/etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf file. >=20 > root@pkgbase:~ # grep '^[^#]' = /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD-base.conf=20 > FreeBSD-base: { > url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/base_latest", > mirror_type: "srv", > signature_type: "fingerprints", > fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", > enabled: yes > } >=20 > This is the DEFAULT setup just after the bsdinstall(8) installation. >=20 > I mean .. where is the LOGIC in that? >=20 > Its EXACTLY the opposite as it should be ... The plan for 15 is that, eventually, all 3 will be in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf . See Colin Percival's note in: = https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable/2025-October/003435.html= about moving FreeBSD-base to /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf : QUOTE I'm planning on putting a "FreeBSD-base" repository configuration into /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf in 15. It will be disabled by default, in order to avoid "pkg delete -af" problems, but "pkg upgrade -r FreeBSD-base" should work out of the box. The reasons this hasn't happened yet have to do with release engineering processes and setting up the systems for building updates securely. END QUOTE Things are still of a status where one needs to ask if what one observes is actually the intent for 15.0-RELEASE or not. Various things are not yet as they are intended to be for 15.0 . =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Sun Oct 19 09:53:17 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cqDQW2Tq3z6CtR5; Sun, 19 Oct 2025 09:53:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo69.interia.pl (smtpo69.interia.pl [217.74.67.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cqDQV1pXrz3xF8; Sun, 19 Oct 2025 09:53:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=interia.pl header.s=biztos header.b="gp/qQfOK"; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=interia.pl; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vermaden@interia.pl designates 217.74.67.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vermaden@interia.pl Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2025 11:53:17 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: lib32 not installed - but required when update To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.8 Message-Id: List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1760867600; bh=TD5lackfbTTwNR9sluJ+qVpd6p6VSycv3Qb8tIWa2dI=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gp/qQfOKddNlQbor/HvhqcYl3Rs++Es1sCLMGMPH6Ut6eNMiZALBfR3TDn4Iu8yBJ 7XmKibY8O5I1HpiVVtJzjEA5scFZF4i5W3y97Uy98qX1xkQmmHePIOE5UepLZHLGpV TnxJND77UvsenONMPnnIQqFoFOCL1kn+OR9bpZns= X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.18 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[interia.pl:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.973]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.71)[-0.706]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[interia.pl,quarantine]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[interia.pl:s=biztos]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.74.64.0/22]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[217.74.67.69:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[interia.pl]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[interia.pl]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SUSPICIOUS_AUTH_ORIGIN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org,freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org,freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[interia.pl:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cqDQV1pXrz3xF8 Hi. 1. I installed FreeBSD 15.0-BETA1 with packages from ISO with only 'base' selected. No 'lib32' installed. 2. Then modified 'url' in /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD-base.conf file: - url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/base_latest", + url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/base_release_${VERSION_MINOR}", 3. Then wanted to update 'vi' package: root@pkgbase:~ # pkg install FreeBSD-vi Updating FreeBSD-ports repository catalogue... FreeBSD-ports repository is up to date. Updating FreeBSD-ports-kmods repository catalogue... FreeBSD-ports-kmods repository is up to date. Updating FreeBSD-base repository catalogue... FreeBSD-base repository is up to date. All repositories are up to date. The following 2 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked): New packages to be INSTALLED: FreeBSD-clibs-lib32: 15.0.b1.20251012072228 [FreeBSD-base] Installed packages to be UPGRADED: FreeBSD-vi: 15.0.b1.20251011075131 -> 15.0.b1.20251012072228 [FreeBSD-base] Number of packages to be installed: 1 Number of packages to be upgraded: 1 The process will require 4 MiB more space. 2 MiB to be downloaded. Proceed with this action? [y/N]: Why 'lib32' dependency is pulled in/required when I do not have anything 'lib32' related installed? 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After 'vi' update and after that 'lib32' is installed ... you can just remove it ... and it has no deps ... root@pkgbase:~ # pkg info | grep lib32 FreeBSD-clibs-lib32-15.0.b1.20251012072228 Core runtime libraries (32-bit libraries) root@pkgbase:~ # pkg delete FreeBSD-clibs-lib32-15.0.b1.20251012072228 Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) Deinstallation has been requested for the following 1 packages (of 0 packages in the universe): Installed packages to be REMOVED: FreeBSD-clibs-lib32: 15.0.b1.20251012072228 Number of packages to be removed: 1 The operation will free 4 MiB. Proceed with deinstalling packages? [y/N]: y [1/1] Deinstalling FreeBSD-clibs-lib32-15.0.b1.20251012072228... [1/1] Deleting files for FreeBSD-clibs-lib32-15.0.b1.20251012072228: 100% Regards, vermaden Temat: lib32 not installed - but required when update Data: 2025-10-19 11:54 Nadawca: "vermaden" <vermaden@interia.pl> Adresat: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org; freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org; freebsd-current@freebsd.org; >> Hi. > > 1. I installed FreeBSD 15.0-BETA1 with packages from ISO with only 'base' selected. No 'lib32' installed. > > 2. Then modified 'url' in /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD-base.conf file: > > - url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/base_latest", > + url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/base_release_${VERSION_MINOR}", > > 3. Then wanted to update 'vi' package: > > root@pkgbase:~ # pkg install FreeBSD-vi > Updating FreeBSD-ports repository catalogue... > FreeBSD-ports repository is up to date. > Updating FreeBSD-ports-kmods repository catalogue... > FreeBSD-ports-kmods repository is up to date. > Updating FreeBSD-base repository catalogue... > FreeBSD-base repository is up to date. > All repositories are up to date. > The following 2 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked): > > New packages to be INSTALLED: > FreeBSD-clibs-lib32: 15.0.b1.20251012072228 [FreeBSD-base] > > Installed packages to be UPGRADED: > FreeBSD-vi: 15.0.b1.20251011075131 -> 15.0.b1.20251012072228[FreeBSD-base] > > Number of packages to be installed: 1 > Number of packages to be upgraded: 1 > > The process will require 4 MiB more space. > 2 MiB to be downloaded. > > Proceed with this action? 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Then wanted to update 'vi' package: >=20 > root@pkgbase:~ # pkg install FreeBSD-vi >[...]=20 > New packages to be INSTALLED: > FreeBSD-clibs-lib32: 15.0.b1.20251012072228 [FreeBSD-base] >=20 > Installed packages to be UPGRADED: > FreeBSD-vi: 15.0.b1.20251011075131 -> 15.0.b1.20251012072228 [Fre= eBSD-base] >=20 >[...]=20 > Why 'lib32' dependency is pulled in/required when I do not have anything = 'lib32' related installed? this may be another instance of [0], which Colin is tracking as a release issue. [0] https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/2520#issuecomment-3374157259. however for visibility, i think it would be good to file a separate PR about this issue, if possible including the pkg debug output (pkg -ddd). please tag @llfw in the report. --uTSbkkz4xf/BtNUn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYKAB0WIQSyjTg96lp3RifySyn1nT63mIK/YAUCaPTN6gAKCRD1nT63mIK/ YF3/AP42qXzK2WX2yZuoMnt3S8n/u5B1PSynH/b0qlncFT9zygD/fynrUjbkATA4 VjNdm/q/IHT9CkUHq6C2tx6QzlACoQ8= =fZTN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uTSbkkz4xf/BtNUn-- From nobody Sun Oct 19 14:48:46 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cqLzg3SvHz6DHf5 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2025 14:49:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic316-54.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic316-54.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.69.30]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cqLzd0c9jz3YMd for ; 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I installed FreeBSD 15.0-BETA1 with packages from ISO with only = 'base' selected. No 'lib32' installed. >=20 > 2. Then modified 'url' in /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD-base.conf = file: >=20 > - url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/base_latest", > + url: = "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/base_release_${VERSION_MINOR}", >=20 > . . . 15.0-BETA1 having FreeBSD-base.conf reference base_latest [so stable/15] and so to need editing seems inappropriate. I wonder if it is just a bootstrapping issue since base_release_0 did not exist yet and was being created. I wonder if 15.0-BETA2 is also that way? base_release_0 exists now. 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Sun, 19 Oct 2025 13:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2025 18:08:15 +0100 From: void To: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: user feedback Message-ID: References: <06f829a7-4378-4a24-a3db-f929d812cddd@gmx.at> <3294629.dr8DHy2Ehi@ravel> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.88 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.958]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.92)[-0.923]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[f-m.fm,none]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[202.12.124.154:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[f-m.fm:s=fm2,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:202.12.124.128/27]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[202.12.124.154:from]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[f-m.fm]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[f-m.fm:+,messagingengine.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:151847, ipnet:202.12.124.0/24, country:AU]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[f-m.fm]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cqQ4K6VM7z3mZW On Fri, Oct 17, 2025 at 08:13:02AM +0100, Lexi Winter wrote: >it's not possible for me to manually set the To/Cc/Mail-Followup-To >list to only include people who are not subscribed to a particular list, >because i have no idea who is subscribed to what list. i could just set >it to only include the list address, but then people who aren't >subscribed to the list won't receive replies. It's AFAIAA usual for posts to an email list to go To: the email address of that list. In the case of this list, it's To: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org it sends out one mail everyone on the list gets In most email clients, someone replying to an email on the list can either in something like mutt hit 'L' meaning 'reply to list' in even some web interfaces there's similar functionality. Replying to 'individuals_possible@not-on-list-email-address' or even subscribed_email@name in the To: sometimes results in duplication instead of leaving it as-is. It also seems to break threading in some clients. I'd say it's up to people to say 'please copy me in as I'm not subscribed to the list' when they post if they need Cc: (or beter still Bcc:) because as you rightly say you have no way of knowing otherwise. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID e3e49955f358d2f993c71dc4ab5556c3; Sun, 19 Oct 2025 22:00:34 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: PKGBASE upgrade from ALPHAxx to BETAxx [FreeBSD-base with enable: no planned] Message-Id: <77C8164A-A651-485E-9FB6-8458690D0C35@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2025 15:00:23 -0700 Cc: Lexi Winter To: Colin Percival , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List , FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) References: <77C8164A-A651-485E-9FB6-8458690D0C35.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.993]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.69.148:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.69.148:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cqXYk56VGz3WNf Colin Percival wrote on Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 18:04:51 UTC : > On 10/16/25 10:49, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: > >> Am 16.10.2025 um 19:44 schrieb Mark Millard : > >> To my knowledge, /etc/pkg/ only has files that are expected to > >> apply to all systems, no matter how installed/updated. Also, > >> the files in /etc/pkg/ are expected to not be edited. The > >> overriding text goes in files in /usr/local/etc/pkg/respos/ > >> instead. (Technically such are conventions, not requirements, > >> but they fit with FreeBSD update processes in a particular way.) > >=20 > > I follow that argument. > >=20 > > But isn't pkgbase supposed to be the new normal starting with 15.0? > >=20 > > Sorry for the noise if I confused that. Then it will land in = /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf in 16? >=20 > I'm planning on putting a "FreeBSD-base" repository configuration into > /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf in 15. It will be disabled by default, in order > to avoid "pkg delete -af" problems, but "pkg upgrade -r FreeBSD-base" > should work out of the box. One thing I'll note about having a mix of enabled and disabled repositories, with both types having installed packages: pkg version is always going to classify some of the installed packages as orphaned. For reference: # pkg version -r REPONAME . . . classifies everything installed from some other repository as orphaned, no matter if that repository is enabled or not. For a pkgbase context with FreeBSD-base not enabled . . . # pkg version . . . 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 17028cd15c219b73168ddbea85f49403; Sun, 19 Oct 2025 22:32:19 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: PKGBASE upgrade from ALPHAxx to BETAxx [FreeBSD-base with enable: no planned] From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <77C8164A-A651-485E-9FB6-8458690D0C35@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2025 15:32:09 -0700 Cc: Lexi Winter Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <68D98A48-2BB0-4AC9-937E-48CA87CE4960@yahoo.com> References: <77C8164A-A651-485E-9FB6-8458690D0C35@yahoo.com> To: Colin Percival , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List , FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.993]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.69.83:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.69.83:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cqYGN5BV1z3b8g On Oct 19, 2025, at 15:00, Mark Millard wrote: > Colin Percival wrote on > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 18:04:51 UTC : >=20 >> On 10/16/25 10:49, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: >>>> Am 16.10.2025 um 19:44 schrieb Mark Millard : >>>> To my knowledge, /etc/pkg/ only has files that are expected to >>>> apply to all systems, no matter how installed/updated. Also, >>>> the files in /etc/pkg/ are expected to not be edited. The >>>> overriding text goes in files in /usr/local/etc/pkg/respos/ >>>> instead. (Technically such are conventions, not requirements, >>>> but they fit with FreeBSD update processes in a particular way.) >>>=20 >>> I follow that argument. >>>=20 >>> But isn't pkgbase supposed to be the new normal starting with 15.0? >>>=20 >>> Sorry for the noise if I confused that. Then it will land in = /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf in 16? >>=20 >> I'm planning on putting a "FreeBSD-base" repository configuration = into >> /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf in 15. It will be disabled by default, in order >> to avoid "pkg delete -af" problems, but "pkg upgrade -r FreeBSD-base" >> should work out of the box. >=20 > One thing I'll note about having a mix of enabled and > disabled repositories, with both types having installed > packages: pkg version is always going to classify some > of the installed packages as orphaned. For reference: >=20 > # pkg version -r REPONAME . . . >=20 > classifies everything installed from some other repository > as orphaned, no matter if that repository is enabled or > not. >=20 > For a pkgbase context with FreeBSD-base not enabled . . . >=20 > # pkg version . . . >=20 > (no REPONAME) will classify everything installed from > FreeBSD-base as orphaned because it is not enabled. Turns out that pkg fetch will only fetch from enabled repositories. (This is consistent with the wording of the pkg-fetch man page.) So, with FreeBSD-base not enabled,=20 # pkg fetch -r FreeBSD-base . . . would not fetch anything. The man pages for pkg version and pkg fetch might need some explicit notes about such overall consequences. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com