From nobody Mon Oct 20 14:05:27 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cqxz53psSz6CSL7; Mon, 20 Oct 2025 14:05:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo69.interia.pl (smtpo69.interia.pl [217.74.67.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cqxz43Xwyz4LRJ; Mon, 20 Oct 2025 14:05:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=interia.pl header.s=biztos header.b=LmZgXjz+; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=interia.pl; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vermaden@interia.pl designates 217.74.67.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vermaden@interia.pl Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2025 16:05:27 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: PKGBASE in ZFS Boot Environments World To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org" , "freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org" X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: References: X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.8 Message-Id: List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1760969129; bh=3hhGQL+nzwN+QYdW78MkEa2lsjCl3jcyj1jF8jel5CQ=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LmZgXjz+p7ULsj1vDl8M9t3b/rN7lmzoBWaSgDEOaWBWFyOYuxrDDzhEtB/klS4DR KCj3GJYu5ik2rTDgtbuZfPj8oVFuGn+22tzkyKTUF47KeZTcy0WaXMdGpmsQX8fh+6 H96rQz7Zu7kwzKbmSlrnnMmAy7zRlIS64YAmrYzI= X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.91 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[interia.pl:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[interia.pl,quarantine]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.42)[-0.415]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.74.64.0/22]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[interia.pl:s=biztos]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[217.74.67.69:from]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org,freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[interia.pl]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; SUSPICIOUS_AUTH_ORIGIN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[interia.pl]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[interia.pl:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cqxz43Xwyz4LRJ Found a way to overcome that limitation ... by creating a separate /RESCUE (not /rescue) dir with copy of /boot and pkg-static(8) command. That way one can restore /boot and reboot into different ZFS Boot Environment. Details here in the 'Additional Independent Rescue' section at the end: - https://vermaden.wordpress.com/2025/10/20/brave-new-pkgbase-world/ Regards, vermaden Temat: PKGBASE in ZFS Boot Environments World Data: 2025-10-16 10:04 Nadawca: "vermaden" <vermaden@interia.pl> Adresat: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org; freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org; >> We know that 'pkg delete -afy' will delete all PKGBASE >> packages without asking ... but that will also render >> ZFS Boot Environments USELESS as there is no >> loader(8) anymore to show the ZFS boot menu for BE >> selection. > > OK ls boot > boot > d zfs > d efi > loader.conf > entropy > d firmware > > My proposal - always keep a MINIMUM set of files allowing > to show loader(8) boot menu - so anyone - even after wiping > their FreeBSD system with pkg(8) - will be able to boot into > other backup ZFS Boot Environment. 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FreeBS-clang provides both 64-bit and a 32-bit library: # pkg info -b FreeBSD-clang FreeBSD-clang-16.snap20251014184832: libclang_rt.asan-i386.so:32 libclang_rt.asan-x86_64.so libprivateclang.so.19 libprivatellvm.so.19 # file /usr/lib/clang/19/lib/freebsd/libclang_rt.asan-i386.so /usr/lib/clang/19/lib/freebsd/libclang_rt.asan-i386.so: ELF 32-bit LSB = shared object, Intel i386, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked, for = FreeBSD 16.0 (1600001), stripped # ldd -a /usr/lib/clang/19/lib/freebsd/libclang_rt.asan-i386.so /usr/lib/clang/19/lib/freebsd/libclang_rt.asan-i386.so: libgcc_s.so.1 =3D> /usr/lib32/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x209d1000) libc.so.7 =3D> /usr/lib32/libc.so.7 (0x209f0000) /usr/lib32/libgcc_s.so.1: libc.so.7 =3D> /usr/lib32/libc.so.7 (0x209f0000) /usr/lib32/libc.so.7: libsys.so.7 =3D> /usr/lib32/libsys.so.7 (0x20bef000) [preloaded] [vdso] (0xffffe780) Note that those in turn lead to /usr/lib32/ dependencies being involved overall. That might contribute to why both lib.c.so.7 and lib.c.so.7:32 and both libgcc_s.so.1 and libgcc_s.so.1:32 more show up in: # pkg info -d FreeBSD-clang FreeBSD-clang-16.snap20251014184832: FreeBSD-lld-16.snap20250930012546 FreeBSD-libcompiler_rt-dev-16.snap20250923153156 FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20251014203606 (libc++.so.1) FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20251014203606 (libc.so.7) FreeBSD-clibs-lib32-16.snap20251014184832 (libc.so.7:32) FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20251014203606 (libcxxrt.so.1) FreeBSD-libexecinfo-16.snap20251003201239 (libexecinfo.so.1) FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20251014203606 (libgcc_s.so.1) FreeBSD-clibs-lib32-16.snap20251014184832 (libgcc_s.so.1:32) FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20251014203606 (libm.so.5) FreeBSD-ncurses-16.snap20251003201239 (libncursesw.so.9) FreeBSD-runtime-16.snap20251014184832 (libprivatezstd.so.5) FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20251014203606 (libthr.so.3) FreeBSD-ncurses-16.snap20251003201239 (libtinfow.so.9) FreeBSD-runtime-16.snap20251014184832 (libz.so.6) and both lib.c.so.7 and lib.c.so.7:32 in: # pkg info -B FreeBSD-clang FreeBSD-clang-16.snap20251014184832: libc++.so.1 libc.so.7 libc.so.7:32 libcxxrt.so.1 libexecinfo.so.1 libgcc_s.so.1 libgcc_s.so.1:32 libm.so.5 libncursesw.so.9 libprivatezstd.so.5 libthr.so.3 libtinfow.so.9 libz.so.6 Note: Deliberately done in an environment that does not have any lang/gcc* installed [avoiding MULTILIB being involved in the context. 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From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2025 12:45:40 -0700 Cc: Colin Percival Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3F2137B3-18DB-4CE8-877D-CCC30A320428@yahoo.com> References: To: FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org, Lexi Winter , Baptiste Daroussin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.985]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.205:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.205:from]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cr5Wl4P7Fz3Cq2 On Oct 20, 2025, at 12:00, Mark Millard wrote: > (Test context main 16, not a 15.0-BETA* .) >=20 > FreeBS-clang provides both 64-bit and a 32-bit library: >=20 > # pkg info -b FreeBSD-clang > FreeBSD-clang-16.snap20251014184832: > libclang_rt.asan-i386.so:32 > libclang_rt.asan-x86_64.so > libprivateclang.so.19 > libprivatellvm.so.19 >=20 > # file /usr/lib/clang/19/lib/freebsd/libclang_rt.asan-i386.so > /usr/lib/clang/19/lib/freebsd/libclang_rt.asan-i386.so: ELF 32-bit LSB = shared object, Intel i386, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked, for = FreeBSD 16.0 (1600001), stripped >=20 > # ldd -a /usr/lib/clang/19/lib/freebsd/libclang_rt.asan-i386.so > /usr/lib/clang/19/lib/freebsd/libclang_rt.asan-i386.so: > libgcc_s.so.1 =3D> /usr/lib32/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x209d1000) > libc.so.7 =3D> /usr/lib32/libc.so.7 (0x209f0000) > /usr/lib32/libgcc_s.so.1: > libc.so.7 =3D> /usr/lib32/libc.so.7 (0x209f0000) > /usr/lib32/libc.so.7: > libsys.so.7 =3D> /usr/lib32/libsys.so.7 (0x20bef000) > [preloaded] > [vdso] (0xffffe780) >=20 > Note that those in turn lead to /usr/lib32/ > dependencies being involved overall. >=20 > That might contribute to why both lib.c.so.7 > and lib.c.so.7:32 and both libgcc_s.so.1 and > libgcc_s.so.1:32 more show up in: >=20 > # pkg info -d FreeBSD-clang > FreeBSD-clang-16.snap20251014184832: > FreeBSD-lld-16.snap20250930012546 > FreeBSD-libcompiler_rt-dev-16.snap20250923153156 > FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20251014203606 (libc++.so.1) > FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20251014203606 (libc.so.7) > FreeBSD-clibs-lib32-16.snap20251014184832 (libc.so.7:32) > FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20251014203606 (libcxxrt.so.1) > FreeBSD-libexecinfo-16.snap20251003201239 (libexecinfo.so.1) > FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20251014203606 (libgcc_s.so.1) > FreeBSD-clibs-lib32-16.snap20251014184832 (libgcc_s.so.1:32) > FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20251014203606 (libm.so.5) > FreeBSD-ncurses-16.snap20251003201239 (libncursesw.so.9) > FreeBSD-runtime-16.snap20251014184832 (libprivatezstd.so.5) > FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20251014203606 (libthr.so.3) > FreeBSD-ncurses-16.snap20251003201239 (libtinfow.so.9) > FreeBSD-runtime-16.snap20251014184832 (libz.so.6) >=20 > and both lib.c.so.7 and lib.c.so.7:32 in: and both libgcc_s.so.1 and libgcc_s.so.1:32 > # pkg info -B FreeBSD-clang > FreeBSD-clang-16.snap20251014184832: > libc++.so.1 > libc.so.7 > libc.so.7:32 > libcxxrt.so.1 > libexecinfo.so.1 > libgcc_s.so.1 > libgcc_s.so.1:32 > libm.so.5 > libncursesw.so.9 > libprivatezstd.so.5 > libthr.so.3 > libtinfow.so.9 > libz.so.6 >=20 > Note: Deliberately done in an environment that does > not have any lang/gcc* installed [avoiding MULTILIB > being involved in the context. Otherwise other issues > lead to more confusing output for "info -d". For additional reference: # pkg info -r FreeBSD-clang FreeBSD-clang-16.snap20251014184832: FreeBSD-clang-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-clang-dbg-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-set-devel-16.snap20251008042735 FreeBSD-lldb-dev-16.snap20251008042735 (libprivateclang.so.19) FreeBSD-lldb-16.snap20251014184832 (libprivateclang.so.19) FreeBSD-lld-16.snap20250930012546 (libprivatellvm.so.19) FreeBSD-toolchain-16.snap20251003201239 (libprivatellvm.so.19) FreeBSD-lldb-dev-16.snap20251008042735 (libprivatellvm.so.19) FreeBSD-clang-dev-16.snap20251014184832 (libprivatellvm.so.19) FreeBSD-lldb-16.snap20251014184832 (libprivatellvm.so.19) But, if I go the other way, starting from FreeBSD-set-devel : # pkg info -d FreeBSD-set-devel | grep 32 FreeBSD-utilities-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-unbound-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-toolchain-16.snap20251003201239 FreeBSD-tcpd-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-ssh-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-smbutils-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-runtime-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-openssl-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-natd-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-lldb-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-librss-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-libmilter-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-libldns-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-libevent1-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-libcompat-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-lib9p-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-kerberos-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-fetch-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-ctf-16.snap20251003201239 FreeBSD-clibs-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-clang-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-clang-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-bsnmp-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-bluetooth-dev-16.snap20251014184832 FreeBSD-blocklist-dev-16.snap20251014184832 No mention of any -lib32 , despite the reference to FreeBSD-clang . But: # pkg info -d FreeBSD-clang FreeBSD-clang-16.snap20251014184832: FreeBSD-lld-16.snap20250930012546 FreeBSD-libcompiler_rt-dev-16.snap20250923153156 FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20251014203606 (libc++.so.1) FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20251014203606 (libc.so.7) FreeBSD-clibs-lib32-16.snap20251014184832 (libc.so.7:32) FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20251014203606 (libcxxrt.so.1) FreeBSD-libexecinfo-16.snap20251003201239 (libexecinfo.so.1) FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20251014203606 (libgcc_s.so.1) FreeBSD-clibs-lib32-16.snap20251014184832 (libgcc_s.so.1:32) FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20251014203606 (libm.so.5) FreeBSD-ncurses-16.snap20251003201239 (libncursesw.so.9) FreeBSD-runtime-16.snap20251014184832 (libprivatezstd.so.5) FreeBSD-clibs-16.snap20251014203606 (libthr.so.3) FreeBSD-ncurses-16.snap20251003201239 (libtinfow.so.9) FreeBSD-runtime-16.snap20251014184832 (libz.so.6) Does reference -lib32 : # pkg info -d FreeBSD-clang | grep lib32 FreeBSD-clibs-lib32-16.snap20251014184832 (libc.so.7:32) FreeBSD-clibs-lib32-16.snap20251014184832 (libgcc_s.so.1:32) Also: # pkg info -r FreeBSD-set-devel FreeBSD-set-devel-16.snap20251008042735: FreeBSD-set-base-jail-16.snap20251008042735 FreeBSD-set-base-16.snap20251008042735 So, both FreeBSD-set-base* eventually lead to FreeBSD-clibs-lib32 . =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Wed Oct 22 09:22:41 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cs3c835PRz6Dyxb for ; 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MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[dch]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[interia.pl,freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[skunkwerks.at:+,messagingengine.com:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cs3c73N6yz3SYJ On Sat, 18 Oct 2025, at 22:30, vermaden wrote: > Hi. > > I just checked one interesting thing - here are the facts - on the > 15.0-BETA1 (I doubt its different on BETA2). > > The 'third party' packages pkg(8) repos config is in the _Base System_ > /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf file. > > root@pkgbase:~ # grep '^[^#]' /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf > FreeBSD-ports: { > url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/quarterly", > mirror_type: "srv", > signature_type: "fingerprints", > fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", > enabled: yes > } > FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { > url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/kmods_quarterly_${VERSION_MINOR}", > mirror_type: "srv", > signature_type: "fingerprints", > fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", > enabled: yes > } > > The _Base System_ packages pkg(8) repos config is in the 'third party' > /usr/local/etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf file. > > root@pkgbase:~ # grep '^[^#]' /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD-base.conf > FreeBSD-base: { > url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/base_latest", > mirror_type: "srv", > signature_type: "fingerprints", > fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", > enabled: yes > } > > This is the DEFAULT setup just after the bsdinstall(8) installation. > > I mean .. where is the LOGIC in that? > > Its EXACTLY the opposite as it should be ... Hi vermaden This will be cleaned up before release; I can't recall the reasoning why it's split atm though sorry. 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So either it accumulates or is empty. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[grahamperrin]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::431:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4csV1C505yz3mWf On 23/10/2025 00:22, Mark Millard wrote: > … either it accumulates or is empty. > > With FreeBSD-base enabled, the installed ones stick around. Thanks. 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Yes this is by design we only keep the packages of the enabled repositories. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID ee6f0672dd55815e5fbd2cff6fbe1506; Thu, 23 Oct 2025 13:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: FYI: pkg clean with FreeBSD-base disabled cleans out even installed FreeBSD-* base pacakges from the cache From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2025 06:11:22 -0700 Cc: FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org, Colin Percival , Lexi Winter , =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3041A82A-A375-47E4-9C81-85B76DB61DAE@yahoo.com> References: To: Baptiste Daroussin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4csmdX4XsSz3Fl3 On Oct 23, 2025, at 00:05, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Wed 22 Oct 16:22, Mark Millard wrote: >> In my exploration of use of having FreeBSD-bsae disabled, I've >> observed "pkg clean" to remove all the base packages >> (FreeBSD-*.pkg) from the cache, including the installed ones. >>=20 >> So either it accumulates or is empty. >>=20 >> With FreeBSD-base enabled, the installed ones stick around. >=20 > Yes this is by design we only keep the packages of the enabled = repositories. I'll remind that Colin has reported on planning on FreeBSD-base being disabled by default to avoid self destructing deletion activities. See: = https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable/2025-October/003435.html= QUOTE I'm planning on putting a "FreeBSD-base" repository configuration into /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf in 15. It will be disabled by default, in order to avoid "pkg delete -af" problems, but "pkg upgrade -r FreeBSD-base" should work out of the box. END QUOTE Various pkg operations have potentially unintended/surprising behavior for what would be the default configuration. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 079294c0f630862c35249f727cc82c7a; Thu, 23 Oct 2025 23:42:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: "# pkg upgrade -r FreeBSD-base" does not work with FreeBSD-base disabled: "FreeBSD-base is up to date" vs. "Fetching data.pkg: . . ." for enabled Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2025 16:42:00 -0700 Cc: Lexi Winter , Baptiste Daroussin To: Colin Percival , FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) References: X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; HAS_FILE_URL(2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.996]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.64.148:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.64.148:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4ct2d93dq6z3X6M I'll remind that Colin has reported on planning on FreeBSD-base being disabled by default to avoid self destructing deletion activities. See: = https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable/2025-October/003435.html= QUOTE I'm planning on putting a "FreeBSD-base" repository configuration into /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf in 15. It will be disabled by default, in order to avoid "pkg delete -af" problems, but "pkg upgrade -r FreeBSD-base" should work out of the box. END QUOTE That last part appears to be false as things are. Note: I start the below with the most recent packages installed/cached matching the pattern: FreeBSD-*-16.snap20251022080749 FreeBSD-base disabled fails to find updates with FreeBSD-base not enabled: # pkg-static repositories -e main-amd64-default: {=20 url : = "file:///usr/local/poudriere/data/packages/main-amd64-default", enabled : yes, priority : 0 } # pkg-static upgrade -rFreeBSD-base Updating FreeBSD-base repository catalogue... FreeBSD-base is up to date. Checking for upgrades (0 candidates): 100% Processing candidates (0 candidates): 100% Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) Your packages are up to date. FreeBSD-base enabled (and only it enabled), however, leads to finding upgrades to make: # pkg-static repositories -e FreeBSD-base: {=20 url : = "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:16:amd64/base_latest", enabled : yes, priority : 0, mirror_type : "SRV", signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS", fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg" } # pkg-static upgrade -rFreeBSD-base Updating FreeBSD-base repository catalogue... Fetching data.pkg: 100% 77 KiB 79.3kB/s 00:01 =20 Processing entries: 100% FreeBSD-base repository update completed. 492 packages processed. FreeBSD-base is up to date. Checking for upgrades (47 candidates): 100% Processing candidates (47 candidates): 100% The following 47 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked): Installed packages to be UPGRADED: FreeBSD-bsdinstall: 16.snap20251021080626 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-caroot: 16.snap20251008042735 -> 16.snap20251022232845 = [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-clibs: 16.snap20251022073034 -> 16.snap20251022193640 = [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-clibs-dbg: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-clibs-dbg-lib32: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-clibs-dev: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251023071645 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-clibs-dev-lib32: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-clibs-lib32: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-kerberos-dbg: 16.snap20251021080626 -> = 16.snap20251022221901 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-kerberos-dbg-lib32: 16.snap20251021080626 -> = 16.snap20251022221901 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-kerberos-lib: 16.snap20251021080626 -> = 16.snap20251022221901 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-kerberos-lib32: 16.snap20251021080626 -> = 16.snap20251022221901 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-kernel-generic: 16.snap20251022080749 -> = 16.snap20251023075054 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-kernel-generic-dbg: 16.snap20251022080749 -> = 16.snap20251023075054 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-kernel-generic-mmccam: 16.snap20251022080749 -> = 16.snap20251023075054 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-kernel-generic-mmccam-dbg: 16.snap20251022080749 -> = 16.snap20251023075054 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-kernel-generic-nodebug: 16.snap20251022080749 -> = 16.snap20251023075054 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-kernel-generic-nodebug-dbg: 16.snap20251022080749 -> = 16.snap20251023075054 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-kernel-man: 16.snap20251021183536 -> = 16.snap20251022144124 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-kernel-minimal: 16.snap20251022080749 -> = 16.snap20251023075054 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-kernel-minimal-dbg: 16.snap20251022080749 -> = 16.snap20251023075054 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-mtree: 16.snap20251021080626 -> 16.snap20251022225645 = [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-nfs: 16.snap20251022073034 -> 16.snap20251022221901 = [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-nfs-dbg: 16.snap20251022073034 -> 16.snap20251022221901 = [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-openssl-dbg: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-openssl-dbg-lib32: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-openssl-dev: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-openssl-dev-lib32: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-openssl-lib: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-openssl-lib32: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-rescue: 16.snap20251021155925 -> 16.snap20251022221901 = [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-runtime: 16.snap20251022073034 -> 16.snap20251022193640 = [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-runtime-dbg: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-runtime-dbg-lib32: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-runtime-dev: 16.snap20251018052543 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-runtime-dev-lib32: 16.snap20251018052543 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-runtime-lib32: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-sound: 16.snap20251022073034 -> 16.snap20251022115701 = [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-sound-dbg: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251022115701 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-src: 16.snap20251022030735 -> 16.snap20251023110635 = [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-src-sys: 16.snap20251022080749 -> 16.snap20251023110635 = [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-tests: 16.snap20251022073034 -> 16.snap20251022193640 = [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-tests-dbg: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-utilities: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251023103433 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-utilities-dbg: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251023103433 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-utilities-dbg-lib32: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] FreeBSD-utilities-lib32: 16.snap20251022073034 -> = 16.snap20251022193640 [FreeBSD-base] Number of packages to be upgraded: 47 1 GiB to be downloaded. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 0e0ffd096b1521075d257eab17bde474; Fri, 24 Oct 2025 02:28:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: FYI: poudriere jail size for METHOD freebsdci for VERSION stable-14 vs. for METHOD pkgbase for 15.0-STABLE Message-Id: <82458406-569F-4737-A30B-01ED0226C541@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2025 19:28:26 -0700 Cc: Bryan Drewery To: FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) References: <82458406-569F-4737-A30B-01ED0226C541.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.995]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.68.84:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.68.84:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4ct6K46NY5z3p8g [This is without modifying /usr/local/share/poudriere/* .] # poudriere version poudriere-git-3.4.99.20251014 # poudriere jail -l JAILNAME VERSION OSVERSION ARCH METHOD TIMESTAMP = PATH official-amd64 15.0-STABLE amd64 pkgbase 2025-10-23 18:41:55 = /usr/local/poudriere/jails/official-amd64 official-i386 stable-14 i386 freebsdci 2025-10-23 18:47:08 = /usr/local/poudriere/jails/official-i386 # du -xsAm /usr/local/poudriere/jails/*/ 2304 /usr/local/poudriere/jails/official-amd64/ 514 /usr/local/poudriere/jails/official-i386/ It is a UFS context, not ZFS. The above is after having also done a clean operation after the jail update. So the prior sequence included . . . # poudriere jail -j official-amd64 -u [00:00:00] Upgrading using pkgbase . . . # pkg-static -c /usr/local/poudriere/jails/official-amd64 clean The following package files will be deleted: /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-nvme-tools-15.snap20251011015136~5ee9f14833.pkg . . . /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-clibs-dev-15.snap20251019074422.pkg The cleanup will free 353 MiB Proceed with cleaning the cache? 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID a2ea56df2d6b79bbe6a1df3e7e29da44; Fri, 24 Oct 2025 19:11:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: pkg rquery -rFreeBSD-base for pkgbase packages does not return upstream %v information when FreeBSD-base is disabled: local %v instead Message-Id: <85638E5A-C875-4D4C-B2EF-A7A55C37C721@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2025 12:11:44 -0700 Cc: Colin Percival To: FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-pkg@freebsd.org, Lexi Winter , Baptiste Daroussin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) References: <85638E5A-C875-4D4C-B2EF-A7A55C37C721.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.68.31:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.68.31:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4ctXZp53hfz3wms # pkg-static rquery -rFreeBSD-base %n-%v FreeBSD-src pkg-static: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg = bootstrap -f" recommended FreeBSD-src-16.snap20251021200053 But upstream lists: = https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:16:aarch64/base_latest/FreeBSD-src-16.snap= 20251024114208.pkg Easy comparison/contrast: rquery: FreeBSD-src-16.snap20251021200053 upstream: FreeBSD-src-16.snap20251024114208.pkg For reference (FreeBSD-base still disabled): # pkg-static query %n-%v FreeBSD-src pkg-static: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg = bootstrap -f" recommended FreeBSD-src-16.snap20251021200053 # pkg-static info -C -x ^FreeBSD-src\$ pkg-static: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg = bootstrap -f" recommended FreeBSD-src-16.snap20251021200053 # ls -dC1 /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-src-16.snap* /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-src-16.snap20251021200053.pkg /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-src-16.snap20251021200053~53d6332cef.pkg # pkg-static rquery %n-%v FreeBSD-src pkg-static: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg = bootstrap -f" recommended #=20 With FreeBSD-base enabled, the rquery -rFreeBSD-base worked as I = expected: # pkg-static rquery -rFreeBSD-base %n-%v FreeBSD-src pkg-static: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg = bootstrap -f" recommended FreeBSD-src-16.snap20251024114208 As does not supplying -r FreeBSD-base at all: # pkg-static rquery %n-%v FreeBSD-src pkg-static: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg = bootstrap -f" recommended FreeBSD-src-16.snap20251024114208 While I'd prefer that upstream information be returned for rquery -r FreeBSD-base even when FreeBSD-base is disabled, another option is to report the rquery -rFreeBSD-base as an invalid request instead of returning information that is not from the remote repository. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 3934cd625c3723811a95932d4860bc62; Fri, 24 Oct 2025 21:35:28 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: "pkg update -rFreeBSD-base" with FreeBSD-base disabled does not actually update; it does with FreeBSD-base enabled Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2025 14:35:17 -0700 To: FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-pkg@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) References: X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; HAS_FILE_URL(2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.69.205:from]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.69.205:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4ctbmQ3Kzlz3HDL I'll remind that "man 8 pkg-update" reports: QUOTE -r reponame, --repository reponame Download the catalogue for the named repository only. This = will update only the named repository, irrespective of the = configured =E2=80=9Cenabled=E2=80=9D status from repo.conf. END QUOTE That last does not appear to be the case. With FreeBSD-base disabled: # pkg-static repos -e pkg-static: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg = bootstrap -f" recommended main-armv7-default: {=20 url : = "file:///usr/local/poudriere/data/packages/main-armv7-default", enabled : yes, priority : 0 # pkg-static update -rFreeBSD-base pkg-static: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg = bootstrap -f" recommended Updating FreeBSD-base repository catalogue... FreeBSD-base is up to date. With FreeBSD-base enabled: # pkg-static repos -e pkg-static: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg = bootstrap -f" recommended FreeBSD-base: {=20 url : = "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:16:armv7/base_latest", enabled : yes, priority : 0, mirror_type : "SRV", signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS", fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg" } main-armv7-default: {=20 url : = "file:///usr/local/poudriere/data/packages/main-armv7-default", enabled : yes, priority : 0 } # pkg-static update -rFreeBSD-base pkg-static: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg = bootstrap -f" recommended Updating FreeBSD-base repository catalogue... Fetching data.pkg: 100% 56 KiB 57.8kB/s 00:01 =20 Processing entries: 100% FreeBSD-base repository update completed. 323 packages processed. FreeBSD-base is up to date. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Fri Oct 24 22:19:33 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ctclM2xGcz6D4L3 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2025 22:19:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from crest@rlwinm.de) Received: from mail.rlwinm.de (mail.rlwinm.de [138.201.35.217]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ctclL4LPsz3MNt for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2025 22:19:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from crest@rlwinm.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of crest@rlwinm.de designates 138.201.35.217 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=crest@rlwinm.de Received: from [IPV6:2003:fc:d729:df00:58bd:5411:878:d10e] (p200300fcd729df0058bd54110878d10e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [IPv6:2003:fc:d729:df00:58bd:5411:878:d10e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) server-digest SHA384) (No client certificate requested) by mail.rlwinm.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8CC271E79 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2025 22:19:34 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <7a68a306-1488-4a03-bd07-f150439b13ae@rlwinm.de> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2025 00:19:33 +0200 List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: "pkg update -rFreeBSD-base" with FreeBSD-base disabled does not actually update; it does with FreeBSD-base enabled To: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org References: Content-Language: en-US From: Jan Bramkamp In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.37 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.91)[0.907]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.03)[0.027]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:138.201.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rlwinm.de]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4ctclL4LPsz3MNt On 24.10.25 23:35, Mark Millard wrote: > I'll remind that "man 8 pkg-update" reports: > > QUOTE > -r reponame, --repository reponame > Download the catalogue for the named repository only. This will > update only the named repository, irrespective of the configured > “enabled” status from repo.conf. > END QUOTE > > That last does not appear to be the case. I've seen the same problem with pkg install -r and disabled repos in the past with pkg 2.2.x. The man page may claim you can use a disabled repo selected on the command line, but it doesn't work. From nobody Sat Oct 25 13:04:47 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cv0P522ltz6FK9F for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2025 13:05:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from md-koch@t-online.de) Received: from mailout10.t-online.de (mailout10.t-online.de [194.25.134.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailout00.t-online.de", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cv0P40kpsz3s6J for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2025 13:05:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from md-koch@t-online.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=t-online.de; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of md-koch@t-online.de designates 194.25.134.21 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=md-koch@t-online.de Received: from fwd73.aul.t-online.de (fwd73.aul.t-online.de [10.223.144.99]) by mailout10.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id C4AE937E64 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2025 15:04:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([95.223.145.116]) by fwd73.t-online.de with (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1vCdws-0Flpui0; Sat, 25 Oct 2025 15:04:46 +0200 Message-ID: <9f2621d3-beea-464c-859b-6763f8ef1937@t-online.de> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2025 15:04:47 +0200 List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org Content-Language: en-US From: Manfred Koch Subject: FreeBSD15.0 stable pkgbase Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TOI-EXPURGATEID: 150726::1761397486-E67F3A39-E1EF5BD0/0/0 CLEAN NORMAL X-TOI-MSGID: 3f58a353-383d-4cbe-af70-06654874dc58 X-Spamd-Bar: + X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.97)[0.967]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.83)[0.830]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[t-online.de,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:194.25.134.16/28]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3320, ipnet:194.25.0.0/16, country:DE]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[t-online.de]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[t-online.de]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cv0P40kpsz3s6J Hello, I have round about 450 packages installed (without so called FreeBSD- snap files) Then I typed the command pkg install -r FreeBSD-base -g 'FreeBSD-*' and the FreeBSD- snap files were installed. pkg info | wc -l shows me now round about 900 installed packaged. I did try to get rid of the none snap files with pkg delete -af afterwards the all files were deleted, the snap files too. The system was unusable. Don't know what the FreeBSD- snap files are. Don't know about experimental install. Excuse me the stupid asks. Can you give me some advices to this subject. How can I remove with "pkg delete" only the right packages. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d2be877812c05ded4bcaa13162e27bfe; Sat, 25 Oct 2025 17:22:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: RE: FreeBSD15.0 stable pkgbase Message-Id: <53003639-EFCA-4C06-A762-ABF726340EEA@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2025 10:22:08 -0700 To: md-koch@t-online.de, FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) References: <53003639-EFCA-4C06-A762-ABF726340EEA.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.992]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[t-online.de,freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.64.148:from]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.64.148:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cv65s4JDRz3HR0 Manfred Koch wrote on Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2025 13:04:47 UTC : > I have round about 450 packages installed (without so called FreeBSD- > snap files) > Then I typed the command pkg install -r FreeBSD-base -g 'FreeBSD-*' > and the FreeBSD- snap files were installed. > pkg info | wc -l shows me now round about 900 installed packaged. > I did try to get rid of the none snap files with pkg delete -af > afterwards the > all files were deleted, the snap files too. The system was unusable. > > Don't know what the FreeBSD- snap files are. > Don't know about experimental install. > Excuse me the stupid asks. > > Can you give me some advices to this subject. How can I remove with "pkg > delete" only the right packages. You do not have to use the FreeBSD-base repository (i.e., the repository that contains the pkgbase packages, also called base packages) at all: using pkgbase is not a requirement. The pkgbase packages are one way of installing and updating FreeBSD --but are not the only way. FYI: The FreeBSD-*.pkg files from the FreeBSD-base repository are the pkgbase/base packages for possibly installing/updating FreeBSD. You may want to also have a file like: /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSDbase.conf that contains a line like: FreeBSD-base: { enabled: no } (I tried to pick a file name that would not conflict with some other files that might be automatically put in place yet still be suggestive of what it is related to. It may not be the best of choices. Hopefully it would be applied after any others that reference FreeBSD-base .) If FreeBSD-base is disabled (or not defined) the command: # pkg repositories -e will not list FreeBSD-base. Otherise it will. That can provide a cross check on if it is enabled or not. ("repos" is a unique prefix of "repositories" that can be used but "repo" is a distinct command.) The non-pkgbase vs. pkgbase ways of installing and updating FreeBSD should not be mixed. It is probably best to avoid needing to do a conversion later. As far as I know, the only official conversion technique is from non-pkgbase to pkgbase. But you might want to avoid that for now. If you use a non-pkgbase FreeBSD installation with FreeBSD-base disabled ( i.e. enabled: no ) or not defined, things will continue to work as they did historically. (I suggest avoiding both "pkg delete -af" and "pkg delete -y -a". I suggest reviewing the list displayed for "pkg delete -a". Yes, even though the list can be hundreds of lines long or longer. For a pkgbase FreeBSD installation with FreeBSD-base enabled (so it shows FreeBSD-* packages), answering Yes would probably never be the right thing to do for "pkg delete -a" being involved.) === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Sat Oct 25 21:35:36 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cvCk34lP5z6Dbh8 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2025 21:35:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from md-koch@t-online.de) Received: from mailout06.t-online.de (mailout06.t-online.de [194.25.134.19]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailout00.t-online.de", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cvCk26twzz3gtg for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2025 21:35:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from md-koch@t-online.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=t-online.de; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of md-koch@t-online.de designates 194.25.134.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=md-koch@t-online.de Received: from fwd73.aul.t-online.de (fwd73.aul.t-online.de [10.223.144.99]) by mailout06.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 838821C12E for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2025 23:35:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([95.223.145.116]) by fwd73.t-online.de with (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1vClvD-49xFVA0; Sat, 25 Oct 2025 23:35:35 +0200 Message-ID: <4742afd6-714a-4655-a2f4-d06a804be579@t-online.de> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2025 23:35:36 +0200 List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: FreeBSD15.0 stable pkgbase To: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <53003639-EFCA-4C06-A762-ABF726340EEA.ref@yahoo.com> <53003639-EFCA-4C06-A762-ABF726340EEA@yahoo.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Manfred Koch In-Reply-To: <53003639-EFCA-4C06-A762-ABF726340EEA@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TOI-EXPURGATEID: 150726::1761428135-78FF6A39-928BB605/0/0 CLEAN NORMAL X-TOI-MSGID: cd749d1d-cbc1-469b-998b-0af78cebb280 X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.13 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.988]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.98)[0.976]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.68)[0.681]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[t-online.de,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:194.25.134.16/28:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[194.25.134.19:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3320, ipnet:194.25.0.0/16, country:DE]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[t-online.de]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[t-online.de]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cvCk26twzz3gtg Hello Mark, thank you for your advices. I have only tried the FreeBSD-base, because the freebsd-update will be going in the future. When I set up the FreeBSD15.0 with repo in: /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf I installed the packages with pkg install `cat ./installed_packages` in order to get the programmes, which I have in RELEASE 14.0. Or is it not the right way to get a System with the same installed packages as before for "pkgbase" repo? I only did the command : pkg install -r FreeBSD-base -g 'FreeBSD-*' get to know what happened. I observed, that some FreeBSD-* snap files need a lot time to be installed!!! Is it that what us awaiting with pkgbase? It could be a cause to change to another OS. Thanks for your time Manfred On 10/25/25 19:22, Mark Millard wrote: > Manfred Koch wrote on > Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2025 13:04:47 UTC : > >> I have round about 450 packages installed (without so called FreeBSD- >> snap files) >> Then I typed the command pkg install -r FreeBSD-base -g 'FreeBSD-*' >> and the FreeBSD- snap files were installed. >> pkg info | wc -l shows me now round about 900 installed packaged. >> I did try to get rid of the none snap files with pkg delete -af >> afterwards the >> all files were deleted, the snap files too. The system was unusable. >> >> Don't know what the FreeBSD- snap files are. >> Don't know about experimental install. >> Excuse me the stupid asks. >> >> Can you give me some advices to this subject. How can I remove with "pkg >> delete" only the right packages. > > You do not have to use the FreeBSD-base repository (i.e., the repository > that contains the pkgbase packages, also called base packages) at all: > using pkgbase is not a requirement. The pkgbase packages are one way of > installing and updating FreeBSD --but are not the only way. > > FYI: The FreeBSD-*.pkg files from the FreeBSD-base repository are the > pkgbase/base packages for possibly installing/updating FreeBSD. > > You may want to also have a file like: > > /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSDbase.conf > > that contains a line like: > > FreeBSD-base: { enabled: no } > > (I tried to pick a file name that would not conflict with some other > files that might be automatically put in place yet still be suggestive > of what it is related to. It may not be the best of choices. Hopefully > it would be applied after any others that reference FreeBSD-base .) > > If FreeBSD-base is disabled (or not defined) the command: > > # pkg repositories -e > > will not list FreeBSD-base. Otherise it will. That can provide > a cross check on if it is enabled or not. > > ("repos" is a unique prefix of "repositories" that can be used > but "repo" is a distinct command.) > > The non-pkgbase vs. pkgbase ways of installing and updating FreeBSD > should not be mixed. It is probably best to avoid needing to do a > conversion later. As far as I know, the only official conversion > technique is from non-pkgbase to pkgbase. But you might want to > avoid that for now. > > If you use a non-pkgbase FreeBSD installation with FreeBSD-base > disabled ( i.e. enabled: no ) or not defined, things will continue > to work as they did historically. (I suggest avoiding both > "pkg delete -af" and "pkg delete -y -a". I suggest reviewing the > list displayed for "pkg delete -a". Yes, even though the list can > be hundreds of lines long or longer. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 213342c3edd40ff1e8173778eec852b9; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 00:56:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: FreeBSD15.0 stable pkgbase Message-Id: <2B97414B-52CE-4DC1-99D7-FF764F8F7743@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2025 17:55:59 -0700 To: md-koch@t-online.de-online.de, FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) References: <2B97414B-52CE-4DC1-99D7-FF764F8F7743.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.995]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.64.146:from]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.64.146:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cvJ9W31vhz43M0 Manfred Koch wrote on Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2025 21:35:36 UTC : > thank you for your advices. I have only tried > the FreeBSD-base, because the freebsd-update > will be going in the future. 2yrs to 4yrs in the future, depending on when you switch from a FreeBD 15.* to a FreeBSD 16.* . Details . . . freebsd-update will be in place for all the 15-* releases and for stable/15 for as long as it is supported. The plan is now for FreeBSD 16 to make the switch to a then-updated pkgbase (not just what now exists) for the primary/support way to install and upgrade FreeBSD. = https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/navigating-freebsds-new-quarterly-and-b= iennial-release-schedule/ shows FreeBSD 16 starting in 2027-Dec, about mid-way during FreeBSD 15.3's time frame. But 15.6 is shown as ending in 2029-Dec or so, about mid 16.3's time frame. So it is 2yrs to 4yrs before needing to use pkgbase, depending on when you switch form a FreeBSD 15.* to a FreeBSD 16.* . (I assume non-use of main here.) > When I set up the FreeBSD15.0 At this point had FreeBSD 15.0 been installed via base-packages? Some other way? I'm unclear on the relative order of the various upgrades of various types. The below few lines part seems to be only about port-packages, not about how FreeBSD 15.0 was installed. > with repo in: >=20 > /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf >=20 > I installed the packages with pkg install `cat ./installed_packages` > in order to get the programmes, which I have in RELEASE 14.0. As I understand, all of those packages were port-packages, not base-packages. Nothing about the above required any involvement of any base-packages before, during, or after --as far as I can tell. > Or is it > not the right way to get a System with the same installed packages as = before > for "pkgbase" repo? looks good for installing port-packages to me, no base packages being involved. The pkgbase repositories do not include any port-packages. The port-package repositories (latest and quarterly types) do not include any base packages. Before base-packages have been installed, only port-packages might be involved (or no packages of any kind for a time). > I only did the command : pkg install -r FreeBSD-base -g 'FreeBSD-*' > get to know what happened. In my view, that kind of experimentation on your primary environment instead of on a throwaway/temporary one turned out to be a messy mistake. Transitions from version V.* to (V+1).0 need not go well for such experiments, being more likely to be messy than updates from V.M to V.(M+1) are typicially. Was this before installing the port-packages? After? If after, you would have been okay just not doing the base-package experiment at all --or having a backup that you know you could restore (or it being a bootable copy). > I observed, that some FreeBSD-* snap files need a lot time > to be installed!!! One thing about your choice of use of: -g 'FreeBSD-*' is that you got copies of everything. That is not expected to be the typical type of installation. But if you do some development type of activities on FreeBSD it might well be reasonable. (I actually install everything, though just for informal/personal activity.) Using selections from the bsdinstall utility for terminology (mostly). . . First off there are two types of overall context: bootable contexts and jail contexts. Here we are talking bootable contexts. (Note: "bootable" is my additional descriptive term in order to have a word to contrast with "jail".) There is a minimal set always installed by BSD install, intended for multi-user system. Options: base (includes devel and optional from below) debug (debug symbols) devel (C/C++ compilers and related utilities) lib32 (32-bit compatibility libraries) optional (optional software other than what devel includes) src (the FreeBSD source code) tests (test suite) What of that do you want to have installed? All of it? (Note base and optional have jail variants base-jail and optional-jail.) > Is it that what us awaiting with pkgbase? I would not conclude much about pkgbase details as they will be 2yrs+ into the future when you transition to some 16.* version (if you stick with FreeBSD). There is a reason that using base packages has been labeled a Technology Preview by bsdinstall . > It could be a cause to > change to another OS. I've no clue how much lead time you need. 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I have only tried > the FreeBSD-base, because the freebsd-update > will be going in the future. 2yrs to 4yrs in the future, depending on when you switch from a FreeBD 15.* to a FreeBSD 16.* . Details . . . freebsd-update will be in place for all the 15-* releases and for stable/15 for as long as it is supported. The plan is now for FreeBSD 16 to make the switch to a then-updated pkgbase (not just what now exists) for the primary/support way to install and upgrade FreeBSD. = https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/navigating-freebsds-new-quarterly-and-b= iennial-release-schedule/ shows FreeBSD 16 starting in 2027-Dec, about mid-way during FreeBSD 15.3's time frame. But 15.6 is shown as ending in 2029-Dec or so, about mid 16.3's time frame. So it is 2yrs to 4yrs before needing to use pkgbase, depending on when you switch form a FreeBSD 15.* to a FreeBSD 16.* . (I assume non-use of main here.) > When I set up the FreeBSD15.0 At this point had FreeBSD 15.0 been installed via base-packages? Some other way? I'm unclear on the relative order of the various upgrades of various types. The below few lines part seems to be only about port-packages, not about how FreeBSD 15.0 was installed. > with repo in: >=20 > /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf >=20 > I installed the packages with pkg install `cat ./installed_packages` > in order to get the programmes, which I have in RELEASE 14.0. As I understand, all of those packages were port-packages, not base-packages. Nothing about the above required any involvement of any base-packages before, during, or after --as far as I can tell. > Or is it > not the right way to get a System with the same installed packages as = before > for "pkgbase" repo? looks good for installing port-packages to me, no base packages being involved. The pkgbase repositories do not include any port-packages. The port-package repositories (latest and quarterly types) do not include any base packages. Before base-packages have been installed, only port-packages might be involved (or no packages of any kind for a time). > I only did the command : pkg install -r FreeBSD-base -g 'FreeBSD-*' > get to know what happened. In my view, that kind of experimentation on your primary environment instead of on a throwaway/temporary one turned out to be a messy mistake. Transitions from version V.* to (V+1).0 need not go well for such experiments, being more likely to be messy than updates from V.M to V.(M+1) are typicially. Was this before installing the port-packages? After? If after, you would have been okay just not doing the base-package experiment at all --or having a backup that you know you could restore (or it being a bootable copy). > I observed, that some FreeBSD-* snap files need a lot time > to be installed!!! One thing about your choice of use of: -g 'FreeBSD-*' is that you got copies of everything. That is not expected to be the typical type of installation. But if you do some development type of activities on FreeBSD it might well be reasonable. (I actually install everything, though just for informal/personal activity.) Using selections from the bsdinstall utility for terminology (mostly). . . First off there are two types of overall context: bootable contexts and jail contexts. Here we are talking bootable contexts. (Note: "bootable" is my additional descriptive term in order to have a word to contrast with "jail".) There is a minimal set always installed by BSD install, intended for multi-user system. Options: base (includes devel and optional from below) debug (debug symbols) devel (C/C++ compilers and related utilities) lib32 (32-bit compatibility libraries) optional (optional software other than what devel includes) src (the FreeBSD source code) tests (test suite) What of that do you want to have installed? All of it? (Note base and optional have jail variants base-jail and optional-jail.) > Is it that what us awaiting with pkgbase? I would not conclude much about pkgbase details as they will be 2yrs+ into the future when you transition to some 16.* version (if you stick with FreeBSD). There is a reason that using base packages has been labeled a Technology Preview by bsdinstall . > It could be a cause to > change to another OS. I've no clue how much lead time you need. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 18cc6d8e44b17053519461ebf8b7299f; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 05:29:47 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: FYI: for BETA3 bsdinstall jail installations: what I find different (diff -ru shows "Only in") for distribution set vs. pkgbase selections; other types of differences as well Message-Id: Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2025 22:29:36 -0700 To: FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org, Colin Percival , Lexi Winter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) References: X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.88 / 15.00]; HAS_FILE_URL(2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.882]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.32:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.32:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cvQFK2FlLz3gXm It looks to me like there are probably some surprises here: # diff -ru /tmp/jail-*/ 2>&1 | grep '^Only in /tmp/jail-' | sort Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/include/dev: an Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/include/dev: powermac_nvram Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/include/dev: wi Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/include/netgraph: atm Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/include: opencsd Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/lib/clang/19/include: orc_rt Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/lib32: libkadm5clnt.so Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/lib: compat Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/lib: libkadm5clnt.so Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/libdata: ldscripts Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/libexec: sm.bin Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/examples/etc: defaults Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/examples: diskless Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/man/man4: amd64 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/man/man8: i386 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/man/man8: powerpc Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/man: mandoc.db Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/misc: fonts Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: af_ZA.ISO8859-1 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: af_ZA.ISO8859-15 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: af_ZA.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: am_ET.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: be_BY.CP1131 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: be_BY.CP1251 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: be_BY.ISO8859-5 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: bg_BG.CP1251 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: bg_BG.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: ca_ES.ISO8859-15 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: ca_ES.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: cs_CZ.ISO8859-2 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: cs_CZ.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: da_DK.ISO8859-1 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: da_DK.ISO8859-15 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: da_DK.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: he_IL.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: hi_IN.ISCII-DEV Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: hr_HR.ISO8859-2 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: hr_HR.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: hu_HU.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: hy_AM.ARMSCII-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: hy_AM.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: is_IS.ISO8859-1 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: is_IS.ISO8859-15 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: is_IS.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: kk_KZ.PT154 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: kk_KZ.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: ko_KR.CP949 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: lt_LT.ISO8859-13 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: lt_LT.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: lv_LV.ISO8859-13 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: lv_LV.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: nl_BE.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: no_NO.ISO8859-15 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: no_NO.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: ro_RO.ISO8859-2 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: ro_RO.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: sk_SK.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: sl_SI.ISO8859-2 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: sl_SI.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: sr_YU.ISO8859-2 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: sr_YU.ISO8859-5 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: sr_YU.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: sv_SE.ISO8859-15 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: sv_SE.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: tr_TR.ISO8859-9 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: tr_TR.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: zh_HK.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls: zh_TW.UTF-8 Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share: security Only in /tmp/jail-distset/usr: obj Only in /tmp/jail-distset/var/db: etcupdate Only in /tmp/jail-distset: sys Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/clang/19/lib/freebsd: = libclang_rt.asan-x86_64.so.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: engines-3 Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: flua Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: i18n Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: krb5 Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: lib9p.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libBlocksRuntime.so.0.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libarchive.so.7.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libblacklist.so.0.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libblocklist.so.0.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libbsm.so.3.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libbsnmp.so.7.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libbz2.so.4.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libcalendar.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libcom_err.so.122.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libcuse.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libcxgb4.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libdevctl.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libdl.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libdwarf.so.4.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libexecinfo.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libfetch.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libformw.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libgpio.so.0.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libgssapi_krb5.so.122.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libgssrpc.so.122.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libibcm.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libibmad.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libibnetdisc.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libibumad.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libk5crypto.so.122.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libkadm5clnt_mit.so.122.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libkadm5srv_mit.so.122.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libkdb5.so.122.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libkrad.so.122.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libkrb5.so.122.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libkrb5profile.so.122.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libkrb5support.so.122.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: liblzma.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libmagic.so.4.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libmemstat.so.3.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libmenuw.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libmilter.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libmlx4.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libmp.so.7.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libnetgraph.so.4.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libnetmap.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libomp.so.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libopensm.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libosmcomp.so.3.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libosmvendor.so.4.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libpam.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libpanelw.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libpathconv.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libpmc.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivateatf-c++.so.2.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivateatf-c.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivateauditd.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivatebsddialog.so.0.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivatebsdstat.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivatecbor.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivateclang.so.19.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivatedevdctl.so.0.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivateevent1.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivatefido2.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivategmock.so.0.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivategmock_main.so.0.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivategtest.so.0.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivategtest_main.so.0.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivatekldelf.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivateldns.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivatelldb.so.19.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivatellvm.so.19.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivatesqlite3.so.0.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivatessh.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivateucl.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivateunbound.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivateyaml.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libprivatezstd.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libproc.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libprocstat.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libradius.so.4.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: librdmacm.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libregex.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = librpcsec_gss.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: librpcsvc.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: librtld_db.so.2.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libstdbuf.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = libstdthreads.so.0.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libsysdecode.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libtacplus.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libthread_db.so.3.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libugidfw.so.5.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libusb.so.3.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libusbhid.so.4.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libverto.so.122.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libvgl.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libvmmapi.so.7.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libwrap.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libxo Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libypclnt.so.4.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: nss_tacplus.so.1.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: ossl-modules Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_chroot.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_deny.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_echo.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_exec.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_ftpusers.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_group.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_guest.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_krb5.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_ksu.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_lastlog.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = pam_login_access.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_nologin.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_passwdqc.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_permit.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_radius.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_rhosts.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_rootok.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = pam_securetty.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_self.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_ssh.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_tacplus.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_unix.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: pam_xdg.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: snmp_bridge.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: snmp_hast.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: snmp_hostres.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: snmp_lm75.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: snmp_mibII.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: = snmp_netgraph.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: snmp_pf.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: snmp_target.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: snmp_usm.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: snmp_vacm.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: snmp_wlan.so.6.debug Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr: bin Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr: libexec Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr: sbin Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr: tests Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug: bin Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug: boot Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug: lib Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug: libexec Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug: sbin Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/local: etc Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/local: include Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/local: lib Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/local: libda Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/local: sbin Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/local: share Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/var/db/pkg: local.sqlite Only in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/var/db/pkg: repos (This would not report diffrences in permissions, ownerships, etc.) FYI as far what or how how I set up for doing that "diff -ru" (as root): # mkdir -p /usr/freebsd-dist/ /usr/freebsd-packages/offline = /usr/freebsd-packages/repos/ ## Or otherwise existing and empty # cd /usr/freebsd-dist/ # fetch = https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/amd64/15.0-BETA3/MANIFEST # env = BSDINSTALL_DISTSITE=3Dhttps://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/amd6= 4/15.0-BETA3/ bsdinstall jail /tmp/jail-distset ## So, selected: Distribution Sets Selected lib32-debg.txz src.txz test.txz; did not select ports (no = pkgbase installation equivalent!) Left just sshd and dumpdev selected Did not add users # cat /usr/freebsd-packages/repos/FreeBSD-base-offline.conf FreeBSD-base: { url: "file:///usr/freebsd-packages/offline/FreeBSD:15:amd64/latest", enabled: yes } # cd ~/ # fetch = https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/PKGBASE-REPOS/15.0-BETA3/amd64/L= atest/FreeBSD-15.0-BETA3-amd64-pkgbase-repo.tar # tar -xpf ~/FreeBSD-15.0-BETA3-amd64-pkgbase-repo.tar -C = /usr/freebsd-packages/offline/ # env ABI=3DFreeBSD:15:amd64 = BSDINSTALL_PKG_REPOS_DIR=3D/usr/freebsd-packages/repos bsdinstall jail = /tmp/jail-pkgbase ## So, selected: Packages (Tech Preview) Selected base-jail debug devel lib32 optional-jail src tests; there was = no "ports" to select! Left just sshd and dumpdev selected Did not add users Note: The host was main 16 based, not FreeBSD 15 based. For reference, the other differences are: # diff -ru /tmp/jail-*/ 2>&1 | grep -v '^Only in /tmp/jail-'=20 diff: /tmp/jail-distset/etc/os-release: No such file or directory Binary files /tmp/jail-distset/boot/entropy and = /tmp/jail-pkgbase/boot/entropy differ diff -ru /tmp/jail-distset/boot/loader.conf = /tmp/jail-pkgbase/boot/loader.conf --- /tmp/jail-distset/boot/loader.conf 2025-10-25 21:37:55.933137000 = -0700 +++ /tmp/jail-pkgbase/boot/loader.conf 2025-10-25 21:21:36.207217000 = -0700 @@ -4,4 +4,3 @@ zfs_load=3D"YES" zfs_load=3D"YES" zfs_load=3D"YES" -zfs_load=3D"YES" Binary files /tmp/jail-distset/entropy and /tmp/jail-pkgbase/entropy = differ diff -ru /tmp/jail-distset/etc/master.passwd = /tmp/jail-pkgbase/etc/master.passwd --- /tmp/jail-distset/etc/master.passwd 2025-10-25 21:37:51.603054000 = -0700 +++ /tmp/jail-pkgbase/etc/master.passwd 2025-10-25 21:21:26.220397000 = -0700 @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ = -root:$6$kEeDk58XM0mHq2JH$abeCBUWV9zZ0Lpi5sx0l11htZR68IVZJ.qoD91HhGI7IYTue= PY14jZgmiflkW1sqhf1YB.JG8BZSMKIkOknRo/:0:0::0:0:Charlie &:/root:/bin/sh = +root:$6$Y.wFnt3GylaGxAKf$5mcJNezp.ChGR.8zTfbYyN4Eu/4T9MOzKAsZv8f8PQmxvXk6= NXbIbVe4EkorQAbQMG7AhdjOyYs0WwM9RlEDD.:0:0::0:0:Charlie &:/root:/bin/sh toor:*:0:0::0:0:Bourne-again Superuser:/root: daemon:*:1:1::0:0:Owner of many system = processes:/root:/usr/sbin/nologin operator:*:2:5::0:0:System &:/:/usr/sbin/nologin Binary files /tmp/jail-distset/etc/spwd.db and = /tmp/jail-pkgbase/etc/spwd.db differ Ondiff: /tmp/jail-distset/usr/lib/include: Directory loop detected diff: /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/include: Directory loop detected ly in /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib: libssl.so.35.debug diff: /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/share/nls/POSIX: Directory loop detected diff: /tmp/jail-distset/usr/share/nls/en_US.US_ASCII: Directory loop = detected diff: /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/share/nls/en_US.US_ASCII: Directory loop = detected diff: /tmp/jail-distset/usr/tests/local: No such file or directory diff: /tmp/jail-distset/usr/tests/sys/pjdfstest/tests: Directory loop = detected diff: /tmp/jail-pkgbase/usr/tests/sys/pjdfstest/tests: Directory loop = detected ta Binary files /tmp/jail-distset/var/db/services.db and = /tmp/jail-pkgbase/var/db/services.db differ diff -ru /tmp/jail-distset/var/log/bsdinstall_log = /tmp/jail-pkgbase/var/log/bsdinstall_log --- /tmp/jail-distset/var/log/bsdinstall_log 2025-10-25 = 21:37:55.936116000 -0700 +++ /tmp/jail-pkgbase/var/log/bsdinstall_log 2025-10-25 = 21:21:36.209838000 -0700 @@ -9236,70 +9236,3 @@ rm: /tmp/bsdinstall_etc/sysctl.conf.*: No such file or directory cat: /tmp/bsdinstall_boot/loader.conf.*: No such file or directory rm: /tmp/bsdinstall_boot/loader.conf.*: No such file or directory -DEBUG: dialog.subr: DEBUG_SELF_INITIALIZE=3D[] -DEBUG: UNAME_S=3D[FreeBSD] UNAME_P=3D[amd64] UNAME_R=3D[1diff: = /tmp/jail-distset/var/unbound: Directory loop detected diff: /tmp/jail-pkgbase/var/unbound: Directory loop detected 6.0-CURRENT] -DEBUG: common.subr: Successfully loaded. -DEBUG: f_debug_init: ARGV=3D[entropy] GETOPTS_STDARGS=3D[dD:] -DEBUG: f_debug_init: debug=3D[1] debugFile=3D[/tmp/bsdinstall_log] -DEBUG: Running installation step: entropy=20 -1+0 records in -1+0 records out -4096 bytes transferred in 0.000041 secs (98939588 bytes/sec) -1+0 records in -1+0 records out -4096 bytes transferred in 0.000037 secs (111881999 bytes/sec) -DEBUG: Installation Completed at Sat Oct 25 21:21:36 PDT 2025 -DEBUG: Running installation step: jail /tmp/jail-distset -DEBUG: dialog.subr: DEBUG_SELF_INITIALIZE=3D[] -DEBUG: UNAME_S=3D[FreeBSD] UNAME_P=3D[amd64] UNAME_R=3D[16.0-CURRENT] -DEBUG: common.subr: Successfully loaded. -DEBUG: Began Installation at Sat Oct 25 21:36:32 PDT 2025 -DEBUG: dialog.subr: DEBUG_SELF_INITIALIZE=3D[] -DEBUG: UNAME_S=3D[FreeBSD] UNAME_P=3D[amd64] UNAME_R=3D[16.0-CURRENT] -DEBUG: common.subr: Successfully loaded. -DEBUG: f_debug_init: ARGV=3D[distfetch] GETOPTS_STDARGS=3D[dD:] -DEBUG: f_debug_init: debug=3D[1] debugFile=3D[/tmp/bsdinstall_log] -DEBUG: Running installation step: distfetch=20 -DEBUG: dialog.subr: DEBUG_SELF_INITIALIZE=3D[] -DEBUG: UNAME_S=3D[FreeBSD] UNAME_P=3D[amd64] UNAME_R=3D[16.0-CURRENT] -DEBUG: common.subr: Successfully loaded. -DEBUG: f_debug_init: ARGV=3D[checksum] GETOPTS_STDARGS=3D[dD:] -DEBUG: f_debug_init: debug=3D[1] debugFile=3D[/tmp/bsdinstall_log] -DEBUG: Running installation step: checksum=20 -DEBUG: dialog.subr: DEBUG_SELF_INITIALIZE=3D[] -DEBUG: UNAME_S=3D[FreeBSD] UNAME_P=3D[amd64] UNAME_R=3D[16.0-CURRENT] -DEBUG: common.subr: Successfully loaded. -DEBUG: dialog.subr: DEBUG_SELF_INITIALIZE=3D[] -DEBUG: UNAME_S=3D[FreeBSD] UNAME_P=3D[amd64] UNAME_R=3D[16.0-CURRENT] -DEBUG: common.subr: Successfully loaded. -DEBUG: f_debug_init: ARGV=3D[distextract] GETOPTS_STDARGS=3D[dD:] -DEBUG: f_debug_init: debug=3D[1] debugFile=3D[/tmp/bsdinstall_log] -DEBUG: Running installation step: distextract=20 -DEBUG: dialog.subr: DEBUG_SELF_INITIALIZE=3D[] -DEBUG: UNAME_S=3D[FreeBSD] UNAME_P=3D[amd64] UNAME_R=3D[16.0-CURRENT] -DEBUG: common.subr: Successfully loaded. -DEBUG: f_debug_init: ARGV=3D[rootpass] GETOPTS_STDARGS=3D[dD:] -DEBUG: f_debug_init: debug=3D[1] debugFile=3D[/tmp/bsdinstall_log] -DEBUG: Running installation step: rootpass=20 -DEBUG: dialog.subr: DEBUG_SELF_INITIALIZE=3D[] -DEBUG: UNAME_S=3D[FreeBSD] UNAME_P=3D[amd64] UNAME_R=3D[16.0-CURRENT] -DEBUG: common.subr: Successfully loaded. -DEBUG: dialog.subr: DEBUG_SELF_INITIALIZE=3D[] -DEBUG: UNAME_S=3D[FreeBSD] UNAME_P=3D[amd64] UNAME_R=3D[16.0-CURRENT] -DEBUG: common.subr: Successfully loaded. -DEBUG: f_debug_init: ARGV=3D[services] GETOPTS_STDARGS=3D[dD:] -DEBUG: f_debug_init: debug=3D[1] debugFile=3D[/tmp/bsdinstall_log] -DEBUG: Running installation step: services=20 -DEBUG: dialog.subr: DEBUG_SELF_INITIALIZE=3D[] -DEBUG: UNAME_S=3D[FreeBSD] UNAME_P=3D[amd64] UNAME_R=3D[16.0-CURRENT] -DEBUG: common.subr: Successfully loaded. -DEBUG: dialog.subr: DEBUG_SELF_INITIALIZE=3D[] -DEBUG: UNAME_S=3D[FreeBSD] UNAME_P=3D[amd64] UNAME_R=3D[16.0-CURRENT] -DEBUG: common.subr: Successfully loaded. -DEBUG: f_debug_init: ARGV=3D[config] GETOPTS_STDARGS=3D[dD:] -DEBUG: f_debug_init: debug=3D[1] debugFile=3D[/tmp/bsdinstall_log] -DEBUG: Running installation step: config=20 -cat: /tmp/bsdinstall_etc/sysctl.conf.*: No such file or directory -rm: /tmp/bsdinstall_etc/sysctl.conf.*: No such file or directory -cat: /tmp/bsdinstall_boot/loader.conf.*: No such file or directory -rm: /tmp/bsdinstall_boot/loader.conf.*: No such file or directory diff -ru /tmp/jail-distset/var/log/userlog = /tmp/jail-pkgbase/var/log/userlog --- /tmp/jail-distset/var/log/userlog 2025-10-25 21:37:51.604279000 = -0700 +++ /tmp/jail-pkgbase/var/log/userlog 2025-10-25 21:21:26.221516000 = -0700 @@ -1 +1 @@ -2025-10-26 04:37:51 [root:usermod] root(0):wheel(0):Charlie = &:/root:/bin/sh +2025-10-26 04:21:26 [root:usermod] root(0):wheel(0):Charlie = &:/root:/bin/sh Of course, this does not deal with 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Also (this might be non-obvious for newcomers to pkgbase): do not --yes for --all with FreeBSD-base _disabled_ after installing any base package. 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RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32c:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cvXVs1RSjz485r On 25/10/2025 22:35, Manfred Koch wrote: > … When I set up the FreeBSD15.0 … … > pkg install -r FreeBSD-base -g 'FreeBSD-*' … The relatively blunt --glob 'FreeBSD-*' approach above (and in parts of the wiki) may be redundant, for installations, since meta packages became available a few weeks ago. freebsd-base(7) currently also known as freebsd-pkgbase(7) for 16.0-CURRENT: From nobody Sun Oct 26 16:07:06 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cvhNb2qyYz6DTDk for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 16:07:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from md-koch@t-online.de) Received: from mailout10.t-online.de (mailout10.t-online.de [194.25.134.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailout00.t-online.de", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cvhNb0SCpz3l3L for ; 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Thanks for your detailed answers. It helps to understand more about the pkgbase and his future planning. So I think don't panic for now. So I will try a fresh install after a while in order to better oneself. Thank you very much indeed Manfred On 10/26/25 02:55, Mark Millard wrote: > Manfred Koch wrote on > Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2025 21:35:36 UTC : > >> thank you for your advices. I have only tried >> the FreeBSD-base, because the freebsd-update >> will be going in the future. > 2yrs to 4yrs in the future, depending on when > you switch from a FreeBD 15.* to a FreeBSD 16.* . > > Details . . . > > freebsd-update will be in place for all the 15-* > releases and for stable/15 for as long as it is > supported. The plan is now for FreeBSD 16 to make > the switch to a then-updated pkgbase (not just > what now exists) for the primary/support way to > install and upgrade FreeBSD. > > https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/navigating-freebsds-new-quarterly-and-biennial-release-schedule/ > > shows FreeBSD 16 starting in 2027-Dec, about mid-way during > FreeBSD 15.3's time frame. > > But 15.6 is shown as ending in 2029-Dec or so, > about mid 16.3's time frame. > > So it is 2yrs to 4yrs before needing to use pkgbase, > depending on when you switch form a FreeBSD 15.* to > a FreeBSD 16.* . (I assume non-use of main here.) > >> When I set up the FreeBSD15.0 > At this point had FreeBSD 15.0 been installed via > base-packages? Some other way? I'm unclear on the > relative order of the various upgrades of various > types. > > The below few lines part seems to be only about > port-packages, not about how FreeBSD 15.0 was > installed. > >> with repo in: >> >> /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf >> >> I installed the packages with pkg install `cat ./installed_packages` >> in order to get the programmes, which I have in RELEASE 14.0. > As I understand, all of those packages were port-packages, > not base-packages. Nothing about the above required any > involvement of any base-packages before, during, or after > --as far as I can tell. > >> Or is it >> not the right way to get a System with the same installed packages as before >> for "pkgbase" repo? > looks good for installing port-packages to me, no > base packages being involved. > > The pkgbase repositories do not include any port-packages. > The port-package repositories (latest and quarterly types) > do not include any base packages. > > Before base-packages have been installed, only port-packages > might be involved (or no packages of any kind for a time). > >> I only did the command : pkg install -r FreeBSD-base -g 'FreeBSD-*' >> get to know what happened. > In my view, that kind of experimentation on your primary > environment instead of on a throwaway/temporary one turned > out to be a messy mistake. Transitions from version V.* > to (V+1).0 need not go well for such experiments, being > more likely to be messy than updates from V.M to V.(M+1) > are typicially. > > Was this before installing the port-packages? After? > > If after, you would have been okay just not doing the > base-package experiment at all --or having a backup that > you know you could restore (or it being a bootable copy). > >> I observed, that some FreeBSD-* snap files need a lot time >> to be installed!!! > One thing about your choice of use of: -g 'FreeBSD-*' > is that you got copies of everything. That is not > expected to be the typical type of installation. But > if you do some development type of activities on > FreeBSD it might well be reasonable. (I actually > install everything, though just for informal/personal > activity.) > > Using selections from the bsdinstall utility for > terminology (mostly). . . > > First off there are two types of overall context: > bootable contexts and jail contexts. Here we are > talking bootable contexts. (Note: "bootable" is > my additional descriptive term in order to have > a word to contrast with "jail".) > > There is a minimal set always installed by > BSD install, intended for multi-user system. > > Options: > > base (includes devel and optional from below) > debug (debug symbols) > devel (C/C++ compilers and related utilities) > lib32 (32-bit compatibility libraries) > optional (optional software other than what devel includes) > src (the FreeBSD source code) > tests (test suite) > > What of that do you want to have installed? All > of it? > > (Note base and optional have jail variants > base-jail and optional-jail.) > >> Is it that what us awaiting with pkgbase? > I would not conclude much about pkgbase details > as they will be 2yrs+ into the future when you > transition to some 16.* version (if you stick > with FreeBSD). There is a reason that using base > packages has been labeled a Technology Preview > by bsdinstall . > >> It could be a cause to >> change to another OS. > I've no clue how much lead time you need. But, as > stands, it appears to be 2yrs to 4 yrs before you > would need to move to some FreeBSD 16.* in order > to maintain a supported status (and so must start > to use pkgbase as it then is). > > > === > Mark Millard > marklmi at yahoo.com > > From nobody Sun Oct 26 16:13:00 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cvhWS0cgjz6DTkr for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 16:13:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from md-koch@t-online.de) Received: from mailout03.t-online.de (mailout03.t-online.de [194.25.134.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailout00.t-online.de", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cvhWR1NwJz3lRP for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 16:13:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from md-koch@t-online.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=t-online.de; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of md-koch@t-online.de designates 194.25.134.81 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=md-koch@t-online.de Received: from fwd79.aul.t-online.de (fwd79.aul.t-online.de [10.223.144.105]) by mailout03.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B942E4A3; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 17:13:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([95.223.145.116]) by fwd79.t-online.de with (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1vD3Mb-2tZUA40; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 17:13:01 +0100 Message-ID: <95d9fa88-c6d0-454a-88ff-0dca9869b2e2@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2025 17:13:00 +0100 List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: FreeBSD15.0 stable pkgbase From: Manfred Koch To: Mark Millard , md-koch@t-online.de-online.de, FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <2B97414B-52CE-4DC1-99D7-FF764F8F7743.ref@yahoo.com> <2B97414B-52CE-4DC1-99D7-FF764F8F7743@yahoo.com> <3b21f643-13f3-4035-9898-6c87b4afc428@t-online.de> Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <3b21f643-13f3-4035-9898-6c87b4afc428@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TOI-EXPURGATEID: 150726::1761495181-3AFFAA33-41E47AEC/0/0 CLEAN NORMAL X-TOI-MSGID: 8d6fef09-49f5-4da1-b95e-3cf9256a5f96 X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.98 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.982]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.956]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.86)[0.858]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[t-online.de,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:194.25.134.80/28]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[194.25.134.81:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3320, ipnet:194.25.0.0/16, country:DE]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[t-online.de]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com,t-online.de-online.de,freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[t-online.de]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cvhWR1NwJz3lRP On 10/26/25 17:07, Manfred Koch wrote: > Hi Mark, > > in my test-installation I messed up a lot. > Thanks for your detailed answers. It helps > to understand more about the pkgbase > and his future planning. > > So I think don't panic for now. So I will try > a fresh install after a while in order to > better oneself. > > Thank you very much indeed > Manfred > > On 10/26/25 02:55, Mark Millard wrote: >> Manfred Koch wrote on >> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2025 21:35:36 UTC : >> >>> thank you for your advices. I have only tried >>> the FreeBSD-base, because the freebsd-update >>> will be going in the future. >> 2yrs to 4yrs in the future, depending on when >> you switch from a FreeBD 15.* to a FreeBSD 16.* . >> >> Details . . . >> >> freebsd-update will be in place for all the 15-* >> releases and for stable/15 for as long as it is >> supported. The plan is now for FreeBSD 16 to make >> the switch to a then-updated pkgbase (not just >> what now exists) for the primary/support way to >> install and upgrade FreeBSD. >> >> https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/navigating-freebsds-new-quarterly-and-biennial-release-schedule/ >> >> >> shows FreeBSD 16 starting in 2027-Dec, about mid-way during >> FreeBSD 15.3's time frame. >> >> But 15.6 is shown as ending in 2029-Dec or so, >> about mid 16.3's time frame. >> >> So it is 2yrs to 4yrs before needing to use pkgbase, >> depending on when you switch form a FreeBSD 15.* to >> a FreeBSD 16.* . (I assume non-use of main here.) >> >>> When I set up the FreeBSD15.0 >> At this point had FreeBSD 15.0 been installed via >> base-packages? Some other way? I'm unclear on the >> relative order of the various upgrades of various >> types. >> >> The below few lines part seems to be only about >> port-packages, not about how FreeBSD 15.0 was >> installed. >> >>> with repo in: >>> >>> /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf >>> >>> I installed the packages with pkg install `cat ./installed_packages` >>> in order to get the programmes, which I have in RELEASE 14.0. >> As I understand, all of those packages were port-packages, >> not base-packages. Nothing about the above required any >> involvement of any base-packages before, during, or after >> --as far as I can tell. >> >>> Or is it >>> not the right way to get a System with the same installed packages >>> as before >>> for "pkgbase" repo? >> looks good for installing port-packages to me, no >> base packages being involved. >> >> The pkgbase repositories do not include any port-packages. >> The port-package repositories (latest and quarterly types) >> do not include any base packages. >> >> Before base-packages have been installed, only port-packages >> might be involved (or no packages of any kind for a time). >> >>> I only did the command : pkg install -r FreeBSD-base -g 'FreeBSD-*' >>> get to know what happened. >> In my view, that kind of experimentation on your primary >> environment instead of on a throwaway/temporary one turned >> out to be a messy mistake. Transitions from version V.* >> to (V+1).0 need not go well for such experiments, being >> more likely to be messy than updates from V.M to V.(M+1) >> are typicially. >> >> Was this before installing the port-packages? After? >> >> If after, you would have been okay just not doing the >> base-package experiment at all --or having a backup that >> you know you could restore (or it being a bootable copy). >> >>> I observed, that some FreeBSD-* snap files need a lot time >>> to be installed!!! >> One thing about your choice of use of: -g 'FreeBSD-*' >> is that you got copies of everything. That is not >> expected to be the typical type of installation. But >> if you do some development type of activities on >> FreeBSD it might well be reasonable. (I actually >> install everything, though just for informal/personal >> activity.) >> >> Using selections from the bsdinstall utility for >> terminology (mostly). . . >> >> First off there are two types of overall context: >> bootable contexts and jail contexts. Here we are >> talking bootable contexts. (Note: "bootable" is >> my additional descriptive term in order to have >> a word to contrast with "jail".) >> >> There is a minimal set always installed by >> BSD install, intended for multi-user system. >> >> Options: >> >> base (includes devel and optional from below) >> debug (debug symbols) >> devel (C/C++ compilers and related utilities) >> lib32 (32-bit compatibility libraries) >> optional (optional software other than what devel includes) >> src (the FreeBSD source code) >> tests (test suite) >> >> What of that do you want to have installed? All >> of it? >> >> (Note base and optional have jail variants >> base-jail and optional-jail.) >> >>> Is it that what us awaiting with pkgbase? >> I would not conclude much about pkgbase details >> as they will be 2yrs+ into the future when you >> transition to some 16.* version (if you stick >> with FreeBSD). There is a reason that using base >> packages has been labeled a Technology Preview >> by bsdinstall . >> >>> It could be a cause to >>> change to another OS. >> I've no clue how much lead time you need. But, as >> stands, it appears to be 2yrs to 4 yrs before you >> would need to move to some FreeBSD 16.* in order >> to maintain a supported status (and so must start >> to use pkgbase as it then is). >> >> >> === >> Mark Millard >> marklmi at yahoo.com >> >> From nobody Sun Oct 26 16:15:31 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cvhZG3hVCz6DVSn for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 16:15:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from md-koch@t-online.de) Received: from mailout03.t-online.de (mailout03.t-online.de [194.25.134.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailout00.t-online.de", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cvhZG0LTpz3lmw for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 16:15:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from md-koch@t-online.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=t-online.de; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of md-koch@t-online.de designates 194.25.134.81 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=md-koch@t-online.de Received: from fwd81.aul.t-online.de (fwd81.aul.t-online.de [10.223.144.107]) by mailout03.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id C2BBCE139; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 17:15:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([95.223.145.116]) by fwd81.t-online.de with (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1vD3P2-4SjWZk0; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 17:15:32 +0100 Message-ID: <13d49448-1d4c-40b4-99c6-efd2c80d2355@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2025 17:15:31 +0100 List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: FreeBSD15.0 stable pkgbase From: Manfred Koch To: Mark Millard , md-koch@t-online.de-online.de, FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <2B97414B-52CE-4DC1-99D7-FF764F8F7743.ref@yahoo.com> <2B97414B-52CE-4DC1-99D7-FF764F8F7743@yahoo.com> <3b21f643-13f3-4035-9898-6c87b4afc428@t-online.de> <95d9fa88-c6d0-454a-88ff-0dca9869b2e2@t-online.de> Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <95d9fa88-c6d0-454a-88ff-0dca9869b2e2@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TOI-EXPURGATEID: 150726::1761495332-1DFF8A6C-95060AFF/0/0 CLEAN NORMAL X-TOI-MSGID: 77b8407a-4e11-4f4b-8009-20af25e3b00d X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.85 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.978]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.95)[0.950]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.927]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[t-online.de,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:194.25.134.80/28:c]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[194.25.134.81:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3320, ipnet:194.25.0.0/16, country:DE]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[t-online.de]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com,t-online.de-online.de,freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[t-online.de]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cvhZG0LTpz3lmw On 10/26/25 17:13, Manfred Koch wrote: > > On 10/26/25 17:07, Manfred Koch wrote: >> Hi Mark, >> >> in my test-installation I messed up a lot. >> Thanks for your detailed answers. It helps >> to understand more about the pkgbase >> and his future planning. >> >> So I think don't panic for now. So I will try >> a fresh install after a while in order to >> better oneself. >> >> Thank you very much indeed >> Manfred >> >> On 10/26/25 02:55, Mark Millard wrote: >>> Manfred Koch wrote on >>> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2025 21:35:36 UTC : >>> >>>> thank you for your advices. I have only tried >>>> the FreeBSD-base, because the freebsd-update >>>> will be going in the future. >>> 2yrs to 4yrs in the future, depending on when >>> you switch from a FreeBD 15.* to a FreeBSD 16.* . >>> >>> Details . . . >>> >>> freebsd-update will be in place for all the 15-* >>> releases and for stable/15 for as long as it is >>> supported. The plan is now for FreeBSD 16 to make >>> the switch to a then-updated pkgbase (not just >>> what now exists) for the primary/support way to >>> install and upgrade FreeBSD. >>> >>> https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/navigating-freebsds-new-quarterly-and-biennial-release-schedule/ >>> >>> >>> shows FreeBSD 16 starting in 2027-Dec, about mid-way during >>> FreeBSD 15.3's time frame. >>> >>> But 15.6 is shown as ending in 2029-Dec or so, >>> about mid 16.3's time frame. >>> >>> So it is 2yrs to 4yrs before needing to use pkgbase, >>> depending on when you switch form a FreeBSD 15.* to >>> a FreeBSD 16.* . (I assume non-use of main here.) >>> >>>> When I set up the FreeBSD15.0 >>> At this point had FreeBSD 15.0 been installed via >>> base-packages? Some other way? I'm unclear on the >>> relative order of the various upgrades of various >>> types. >>> >>> The below few lines part seems to be only about >>> port-packages, not about how FreeBSD 15.0 was >>> installed. >>> >>>> with repo in: >>>> >>>> /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf >>>> >>>> I installed the packages with pkg install `cat ./installed_packages` >>>> in order to get the programmes, which I have in RELEASE 14.0. >>> As I understand, all of those packages were port-packages, >>> not base-packages. Nothing about the above required any >>> involvement of any base-packages before, during, or after >>> --as far as I can tell. >>> >>>> Or is it >>>> not the right way to get a System with the same installed packages >>>> as before >>>> for "pkgbase" repo? >>> looks good for installing port-packages to me, no >>> base packages being involved. >>> >>> The pkgbase repositories do not include any port-packages. >>> The port-package repositories (latest and quarterly types) >>> do not include any base packages. >>> >>> Before base-packages have been installed, only port-packages >>> might be involved (or no packages of any kind for a time). >>> >>>> I only did the command : pkg install -r FreeBSD-base -g 'FreeBSD-*' >>>> get to know what happened. >>> In my view, that kind of experimentation on your primary >>> environment instead of on a throwaway/temporary one turned >>> out to be a messy mistake. Transitions from version V.* >>> to (V+1).0 need not go well for such experiments, being >>> more likely to be messy than updates from V.M to V.(M+1) >>> are typicially. >>> >>> Was this before installing the port-packages? After? >>> >>> If after, you would have been okay just not doing the >>> base-package experiment at all --or having a backup that >>> you know you could restore (or it being a bootable copy). >>> >>>> I observed, that some FreeBSD-* snap files need a lot time >>>> to be installed!!! >>> One thing about your choice of use of: -g 'FreeBSD-*' >>> is that you got copies of everything. That is not >>> expected to be the typical type of installation. But >>> if you do some development type of activities on >>> FreeBSD it might well be reasonable. (I actually >>> install everything, though just for informal/personal >>> activity.) >>> >>> Using selections from the bsdinstall utility for >>> terminology (mostly). . . >>> >>> First off there are two types of overall context: >>> bootable contexts and jail contexts. Here we are >>> talking bootable contexts. (Note: "bootable" is >>> my additional descriptive term in order to have >>> a word to contrast with "jail".) >>> >>> There is a minimal set always installed by >>> BSD install, intended for multi-user system. >>> >>> Options: >>> >>> base (includes devel and optional from below) >>> debug (debug symbols) >>> devel (C/C++ compilers and related utilities) >>> lib32 (32-bit compatibility libraries) >>> optional (optional software other than what devel includes) >>> src (the FreeBSD source code) >>> tests (test suite) >>> >>> What of that do you want to have installed? All >>> of it? >>> >>> (Note base and optional have jail variants >>> base-jail and optional-jail.) >>> >>>> Is it that what us awaiting with pkgbase? >>> I would not conclude much about pkgbase details >>> as they will be 2yrs+ into the future when you >>> transition to some 16.* version (if you stick >>> with FreeBSD). There is a reason that using base >>> packages has been labeled a Technology Preview >>> by bsdinstall . >>> >>>> It could be a cause to >>>> change to another OS. >>> I've no clue how much lead time you need. But, as >>> stands, it appears to be 2yrs to 4 yrs before you >>> would need to move to some FreeBSD 16.* in order >>> to maintain a supported status (and so must start >>> to use pkgbase as it then is). >>> >>> >>> === >>> Mark Millard >>> marklmi at yahoo.com >>> >>> From nobody Sun Oct 26 16:20:07 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cvhgd2RKSz6DVdW for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 16:20:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from md-koch@t-online.de) Received: from mailout09.t-online.de (mailout09.t-online.de [194.25.134.84]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailout00.t-online.de", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cvhgc2wh5z3m8Y for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 16:20:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from md-koch@t-online.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=t-online.de; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of md-koch@t-online.de designates 194.25.134.84 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=md-koch@t-online.de Received: from fwd74.aul.t-online.de (fwd74.aul.t-online.de [10.223.144.100]) by mailout09.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id DDCE737EA9; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 17:20:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([95.223.145.116]) by fwd74.t-online.de with (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1vD3TT-1mlgSe0; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 17:20:08 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2025 17:20:07 +0100 List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: FreeBSD15.0 stable pkgbase From: Manfred Koch To: Mark Millard , md-koch@t-online.de-online.de, FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <2B97414B-52CE-4DC1-99D7-FF764F8F7743.ref@yahoo.com> <2B97414B-52CE-4DC1-99D7-FF764F8F7743@yahoo.com> <3b21f643-13f3-4035-9898-6c87b4afc428@t-online.de> Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <3b21f643-13f3-4035-9898-6c87b4afc428@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TOI-EXPURGATEID: 150726::1761495608-E2FFA9C7-1EE9B7CE/0/0 CLEAN NORMAL X-TOI-MSGID: ce956dbe-c546-4956-abc9-04d6a54a3ff2 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.23 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.991]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.990]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[t-online.de,none]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.35)[-0.351]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:194.25.134.80/28:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[194.25.134.84:from]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[t-online.de]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3320, ipnet:194.25.0.0/16, country:DE]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com,t-online.de-online.de,freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[t-online.de]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cvhgc2wh5z3m8Y On 10/26/25 17:07, Manfred Koch wrote: > Hi Mark, > > in my test-installation I messed up a lot. > Thanks for your detailed answers. It helps > to understand more about the pkgbase > and his future planning. > > So I think don't panic for now. So I will try > a fresh install after a while in order to > better oneself. > > Thank you very much indeed > Manfred > > On 10/26/25 02:55, Mark Millard wrote: >> Manfred Koch wrote on >> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2025 21:35:36 UTC : >> >>> thank you for your advices. I have only tried >>> the FreeBSD-base, because the freebsd-update >>> will be going in the future. >> 2yrs to 4yrs in the future, depending on when >> you switch from a FreeBD 15.* to a FreeBSD 16.* . >> >> Details . . . >> >> freebsd-update will be in place for all the 15-* >> releases and for stable/15 for as long as it is >> supported. The plan is now for FreeBSD 16 to make >> the switch to a then-updated pkgbase (not just >> what now exists) for the primary/support way to >> install and upgrade FreeBSD. >> >> https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/navigating-freebsds-new-quarterly-and-biennial-release-schedule/ >> >> >> shows FreeBSD 16 starting in 2027-Dec, about mid-way during >> FreeBSD 15.3's time frame. >> >> But 15.6 is shown as ending in 2029-Dec or so, >> about mid 16.3's time frame. >> >> So it is 2yrs to 4yrs before needing to use pkgbase, >> depending on when you switch form a FreeBSD 15.* to >> a FreeBSD 16.* . (I assume non-use of main here.) >> >>> When I set up the FreeBSD15.0 >> At this point had FreeBSD 15.0 been installed via >> base-packages? Some other way? I'm unclear on the >> relative order of the various upgrades of various >> types. >> >> The below few lines part seems to be only about >> port-packages, not about how FreeBSD 15.0 was >> installed. >> >>> with repo in: >>> >>> /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf >>> >>> I installed the packages with pkg install `cat ./installed_packages` >>> in order to get the programmes, which I have in RELEASE 14.0. >> As I understand, all of those packages were port-packages, >> not base-packages. Nothing about the above required any >> involvement of any base-packages before, during, or after >> --as far as I can tell. >> >>> Or is it >>> not the right way to get a System with the same installed packages >>> as before >>> for "pkgbase" repo? >> looks good for installing port-packages to me, no >> base packages being involved. >> >> The pkgbase repositories do not include any port-packages. >> The port-package repositories (latest and quarterly types) >> do not include any base packages. >> >> Before base-packages have been installed, only port-packages >> might be involved (or no packages of any kind for a time). >> >>> I only did the command : pkg install -r FreeBSD-base -g 'FreeBSD-*' >>> get to know what happened. >> In my view, that kind of experimentation on your primary >> environment instead of on a throwaway/temporary one turned >> out to be a messy mistake. Transitions from version V.* >> to (V+1).0 need not go well for such experiments, being >> more likely to be messy than updates from V.M to V.(M+1) >> are typicially. >> >> Was this before installing the port-packages? After? >> >> If after, you would have been okay just not doing the >> base-package experiment at all --or having a backup that >> you know you could restore (or it being a bootable copy). >> >>> I observed, that some FreeBSD-* snap files need a lot time >>> to be installed!!! >> One thing about your choice of use of: -g 'FreeBSD-*' >> is that you got copies of everything. That is not >> expected to be the typical type of installation. But >> if you do some development type of activities on >> FreeBSD it might well be reasonable. (I actually >> install everything, though just for informal/personal >> activity.) >> >> Using selections from the bsdinstall utility for >> terminology (mostly). . . >> >> First off there are two types of overall context: >> bootable contexts and jail contexts. Here we are >> talking bootable contexts. (Note: "bootable" is >> my additional descriptive term in order to have >> a word to contrast with "jail".) >> >> There is a minimal set always installed by >> BSD install, intended for multi-user system. >> >> Options: >> >> base (includes devel and optional from below) >> debug (debug symbols) >> devel (C/C++ compilers and related utilities) >> lib32 (32-bit compatibility libraries) >> optional (optional software other than what devel includes) >> src (the FreeBSD source code) >> tests (test suite) >> >> What of that do you want to have installed? All >> of it? >> >> (Note base and optional have jail variants >> base-jail and optional-jail.) >> >>> Is it that what us awaiting with pkgbase? >> I would not conclude much about pkgbase details >> as they will be 2yrs+ into the future when you >> transition to some 16.* version (if you stick >> with FreeBSD). There is a reason that using base >> packages has been labeled a Technology Preview >> by bsdinstall . >> >>> It could be a cause to >>> change to another OS. >> I've no clue how much lead time you need. But, as >> stands, it appears to be 2yrs to 4 yrs before you >> would need to move to some FreeBSD 16.* in order >> to maintain a supported status (and so must start >> to use pkgbase as it then is). >> >> >> === >> Mark Millard >> marklmi at yahoo.com >> >> > From nobody Sun Oct 26 16:27:31 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cvhrS6y2gz6DWGd for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 16:27:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic301-22.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic301-22.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.64.148]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cvhrS442rz3mN6 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 16:27:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yahoo.com header.s=s2048 header.b=F6xeFiRG; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=yahoo.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of marklmi@yahoo.com designates 98.137.64.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=marklmi@yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1761496066; bh=SUkTsv89/AxBRhFayBHUto/Op0yCA5IzbEgGrNX3ulM=; h=From:Subject:Date:To:References:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=F6xeFiRGPmcHV5fZVoR6GBaE/0lqCvR4lBkvM+STObi1HOAngdvEQfHY1427kec/X8HXyuCOFUA8U1cSTG+16i4yr7+2SFxXLB07LJwYJQ1MPPqHQIe9Dh4/KyY+CwZhO6CRjNvIf0LEHhn6GhplQ+rpXo+MHdUOiguLUCEOUQx7tCPG9se7td+u80qBvt98LdrE0wmFnUVlfwv2q8D+ebGe0IVDOmeTJGlfd4agFo1c8SWEY1VhLJHNBs6Xs793A+Qd/rWrBYr1Nmkt727LzBxFNlcW2P31B/IbV7rnAKmzPMNLkAELE+lMeovrd3mSwfBcSq+GuFdsrXh6XkGW6w== X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1761496066; bh=LZ2jqWiJK17Ew5ryisrKnKzpiwp/lKm2svipStZJAdB=; h=X-Sonic-MF:From:Subject:Date:To:From:Subject; b=aLpppcOE5Pv36xO49bcT31ikxg4Su0MxUjTd/CuBP5krx+5sxeZFgt2zfj8p3G2Wsw16zvHF/cPZJukmBy9O6N9KhcLOUEFKiexYWT06nIqnez3KLaKXc9BlKA5t3gxwoqF+ti22T29lci9n09a68jYdM6Awhxo1mQILsnX4x9q7P0JCN950dKhEI5vqMqtfH2lauJ34E+EglzCxl7TE62JHe52yKpHBu0r1xnR76lCe/U30QqG4CxK3//1J62rPKRbgXe8CbBK4WK5BGEDfZcQkYoHsHEfWqaFP2dXP/1VSzfdeE2OQ6rA/AHKaMhNcPGgE0eufS0Z0hSVfaUtO0g== X-YMail-OSG: BAVW3mwVM1ktEZAj_0wM6X1qugSAsxzOYgoWHU58VkGWimiXeSrQauEUfWov8wB HpswqZ62sfc8svIEqmQRIeVeGYg4_0z5Es79lrtL_WvxTs3Ei4l3sqTTUGs98mDFjPbhQQrTVOP0 DHP8pHpv1A6ZZe6Wx5n6x0slDoJNBylPp7n2OFmLLkUemWRFLmHXlYHQRuvoFQIGPfcOOPv2RUvV YlPOG.p_e8K7DVYd.Zn6H9JJosqsSTqg9hhVaNRngFO8x5wa0YyiC7pc8Q2fyqnbdWUH7tc2Dqk1 lBP5GrQH7kXdiRRshBlMfTWYMUjZxjlZ_9kJoWjfCRcFD9_DHZmm4OrOMYrWe8ZrXXkt19WCO0wp 21jKGa4P5XQ6ZBhgi1ObaiiNxUFeKUE3Au0w9eY8Z_vYlt_IJ1RbqjQge_QgrUzeClRXeqK2SyiB o8qatTE3XNJH.XcJA_AxP3GorqKK70OD9KvQsBVIlxxM4Z1oXz8M_VddBaoZCLgyWk1s7LbJCtcn x3gaIXd.rhzIxFmHvphWbWC33cAqHsGfGr1m4GMxgxE6uuQ2O_YGxUa_SenpcOPulmTCxcTfl0n. 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upgraded to Beta 2 a few hours after=20 announcement. However, I have noticed that only few packages upgraded=20 from b1 to b2, so in the end I had a mix of b1 and b2 packages=20 installed. Is this fine and as it should be for future installations? Today I upgraded to beta3, and realized many more packages being=20 upgraded from b1 to b3, and some from b2 to b3. Some stayed at b1, some=20 at b2 etc. Though I know that updates did not touch all files in the=20 past, after an update I had the perception my operating system was=20 viewed as a nice complete bundle (well, of course, two actually: the=20 kernel version and the userland) of files which all were at a specific=20 version. Now having packages with b1, b2, b3 it seems a bit odd since I=20 don't know if the pkg upgrade just had an error or the mirror was not in= =20 sync or something else did not work the way it should. Am I really on Beta 3? Or is my system in an inconsistent state because=20 I have Beta1, Beta2, Beta3 packages installed? Or is having b3 packages=20 just a sign to sit back and relax and be fine with having packages < b3=20 and as usually trust the release process? Will all new package versions=20 be accompanied by erratas or security announcements once 15.0-RELEASE is= =20 released? (I just don't like to do manual research if such updates are=20 silently available in form of new patch/minor versions without some kind= =20 of information...) All in all I think I am growing a friendship with pkgbase, the fast=20 upgrade was a joy to watch. Thanks for all the hard work! Best regards, Robert On 15.10.25 14:32, infoomatic wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I just want to give some feedback regarding package base. I have been=20 > using FreeBSD personally since 4.x and professionally since 9.x, also my= =20 > workstation is on FreeBSD since 2016 so I would say I have some=20 > experience with the best operating system in the world. >=20 > I have not yet had time to dig deeper into pkgbase, however, after=20 > reading the call for testing I just wanted to give it a go in a VM, here= =20 > my observations with 14.3-RELEASE/15.0-BETA1 from various scenarios I=20 > have played through. >=20 > 1.) > First I noticed I could not easily find the documentation I was looking= =20 > for, specifically the wiki mentions that it obsoletes freebsd-update.=20 > man freebsd-update does not mention anything, and using pkgbasify.lua=20 > does not delete freebsd-update. So I now had two ways to update, which I= =20 > find ambiguous. Also strange that "pkg update" installed kernel "14.3-= =20 > RELEASE-p4", however, after that, a freebsd-update rolled over "14.3-=20 > RELEASE-p3" again, and I had no idea in what state my system was really= =20 > after issuing both commands. (fully aware that this is not intended by= =20 > design, but having two tools interfering and leaving us in an=20 > inconsistent state is awkward for us users). Strangely, also in 15.0=20 > freebsd-update is here. >=20 > 2.) > I pkgbasified the 14.3 VM, and tried to upgrade via the method mentioned= =20 > in the wiki. During the upgrade, the command aborted with: >=20 > [363/402] Deleting files for curl-8.16.0:=C2=A0=C2=A0 2% > pkg-static: compat-libraries-20251015101859 conflicts with compat-=20 > libraries-20251015101859 (installs files into the same place).=20 > Problematic file: /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg/libcurl.so.4 > [363/402] Deleting files for curl-8.16.0: 100% > [364/402] Reinstalling brotli-1.1.0,1... > pkg-static: sqlite error while executing BEGIN IMMEDIATE TRANSACTION=C2= =A0 in=20 > file pkgdb.c:1206: cannot start a transaction within a transaction >=20 > After issuing the pkg update command, the pkg upgrade command with 15.0= =20 > ABI does not do anything. I rebooted. After that, pkg upgrade resulted i= n: >=20 > [12/34] Deleting files for readline-8.2.13_2:=C2=A0 21% > pkg: compat-libraries-20251015104532 conflicts with compat-=20 > libraries-20251015104532 (installs files into the same place).=20 > Problematic file: /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg/libhistory.so.8 > [12/34] Deleting files for readline-8.2.13_2:=C2=A0 31% > pkg: compat-libraries-20251015104532 conflicts with compat-=20 > libraries-20251015104532 (installs files into the same place).=20 > Problematic file: /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg/libreadline.so.8 > [12/34] Deleting files for readline-8.2.13_2: 100% > [13/34] Deinstalling rsync-3.4.1_3... > [13/34] Deleting files for rsync-3.4.1_3: 100% > [14/34] Reinstalling libiconv-1.17_1... > pkg: sqlite error while executing BEGIN IMMEDIATE TRANSACTION=C2=A0 in f= ile=20 > pkgdb.c:1206: cannot start a transaction within a transaction >=20 > Confidence is not something that comes to mind here ... >=20 > 3.) > I upgraded the 14.3 VM via freebsd-update to 15.0-BETA1. Then I=20 > pkgbasified the system. "pkg remove FreeBSD-wpa" resultet in: >=20 > Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan > Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan > Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan > Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan > Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan > Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan > Cannot solve problem using SAT solver, trying another plan > Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) > 1 packages requested for removal: 0 locked, 1 missing >=20 > Strange, what now? >=20 > 4.) I bricked the system with "pkg delete -af", as was discussed already= =20 > on this mailing list. This should not be possible, in my opinion. >=20 > So far I have no idea how I can upgrade to 15.0-BETA1 with a working=20 > pkgbase system. This short journey into pkgbase made me leave it the=20 > same day though what I have read sounded promising. 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Is this fine and as = it > should be for future installations? this is normal. for each build, only packages which have actually changed get a new version, and not much changed overall between b1 and b2. > [...] Now having packages with b1, b2, b3 it seems a bit odd since I > don't know if the pkg upgrade just had an error or the mirror was not > in sync or something else did not work the way it should. =20 this is not that different from how freebsd-update worked, e.g. when an update doesn't touch the kernel, so you're running 15.0-RELEASE-p1 but uname says 15.0-RELEASE. at least with packages, you can tell what the actual installed version is, and compare it to the versions listed in the EN/SA. the alternative would be that updating a single file for 15.0-RELEASE-p1 would require building a new version of every package just to update the version number, which is not reasonable. > Will all new package versions be accompanied by erratas or security > announcements once 15.0-RELEASE is released? all updates to a release branch (e.g., 15.0-RELEASE) are published as EN/SA. --58GdBVKwqkK47aK7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYKAB0WIQSyjTg96lp3RifySyn1nT63mIK/YAUCaP6mcQAKCRD1nT63mIK/ YFwDAQDUsQ3CjfpOXO2x8w/UsGXgWHd7EuRSxSfTuOuwJ0i9agEA2HU642eRKtC8 sJaeGqUGnQwaVHdyOyKqmPTobxbK0Qs= =s4N/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --58GdBVKwqkK47aK7--