From nobody Mon Mar 3 04:57:26 2025 X-Original-To: python@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Z5mlN28Rsz5hwK4 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2025 04:57:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R10" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Z5mlM5V2Pz3prs for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2025 04:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1740977855; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=cHirr3S/EuKIbdIiMl4kvyVrUkUZYVYugmdL61smskY=; b=x+k18b2MzjVSi49gQNOdGXDo+GwKLWwFJOnYtdRRkesnqgZtu3CW+1nUf95sJ+3h1LlMWU HbYvudyE7zzFiBVyQ0CuuZkX2FTReNTFnbzYMjLBJuzO6cqraBqFJIp5o9brZMhUbVEw67 cajFgKknWIuUH8sbQSvMRhQoeSWgR/8YI6Bu8IUMAs+F+iKE22UNw9l4AH+AqWTpPWr4Il F67GFbyl0mXaz4a7X+/ViCrPZJne/GP/O/IGNr5OQOwHiZeMUacSuYT7YCPQk9Ma25uBUZ jz9QwTOC2Si6Q55bT3XJyjpAxNMy2y0ZW42jEQ3IL61dEU2wk+jyZz6EjxJTKw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1740977855; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=r/w/meLh1CP3NV1sK7CBKNN7RS96FzYnyuAfgwfm/vFfskAE24JNu4GU4PrBbDf8OHP3+y 6AJk/IPJ1sxLAbJqY7yJxpoMwadVkfksbHMVJBAPzEAd7OxH2aOH+n3ZdSE0huGtvssYHg 2ANfMX/nr5md1S/2jqNXU8hS3VKciO9yPUoFJ9QmhxE5OS7vcY8YdzW61X6lMcO7/G1rP4 sFlmFkquOyqaTbbtxx9NEo/eJgdIRIVU+NETQDmohs/lJa1L4mAKhjXTkDfB2yWlheQ67E NPkhu3a6fxMPSQYWUxhzqZmgHlGd90GWXH0S5Ek1/wJQ45mmSp1LY2hzAb9oUQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1740977855; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=cHirr3S/EuKIbdIiMl4kvyVrUkUZYVYugmdL61smskY=; b=SF/ZYxxxnRi9mqGGK/0LHSO/PfToYGZtfhBakdezGOKrnrPjWsSqfd3ey6HMKA36r8DiMX REPgt8OU9Eae6TW7i/g6T9i82oiv8eBP1ir+Rv9JppP+wcbGytJ8IuT+hysDiaFyZRzwMN ODfIY7se6Xg+HHmJliuicBMzhq+H1oXQXMOsAFq8v4TvL0MxyXipW2WzFvb0U7x+ivFrTx PmSF2dS4C2oWEwJ0oNm4HdG9gr6sxU/iDXIFLLN9v5y5XYpsa/04T0YJkqYhkdxdOX0XT9 9PCtyBgxuM5A3aPnmx+hkTole9M6BxWsyDZ+fXOQcyHszan3mhWa6J2kAk+vkg== Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Z5mlM55sdzZ5l for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2025 04:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 5234vZ2N082284 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2025 04:57:35 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 5234vZXq082282 for python@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 3 Mar 2025 04:57:35 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: python@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 271673] lang/python312: New port, update to 3.12.8 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2025 04:57:26 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Ports & Packages X-Bugzilla-Component: Individual Port(s) X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: vishwin@freebsd.org X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: python@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: FreeBSD-specific Python issues List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-python List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-python@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-python@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D271673 --- Comment #42 from Charlie Li --- (In reply to Konstantin Belousov from comment #40) Ironically this proves my point/argument of not making available newer Pyth= on distributions yet. From a maintainer-support angle, keeping the complaining= and such contained here with this one subject is better than multiple threads on multiple subjects, explained henceforth. Let's say we do commit/make available lang/python312 and lang/python313, but without the python.mk bits to register them as valid FLAVORs. From a user (generously) perspective: - sees CPython > 3.11 available in ports/packages - installs one or both - changes ${PYTHON_DEFAULT} to that version Ports/packages user: - finds out no packages for the desired CPython available/built from ports - starts thread about the aforementioned - somebody posts a patch enabling the intentionally not registered FLAVOURs - people test said patch locally - "wtf hardly anything builds" - chaos ensues over trying to get stuff to build For the user who claims to only use specifically venv virtual environments, unfortunately you are still interacting with Python ports/packages as dependencies for other programs (Python or not) from ports/packages. But ev= en with a venv, you will have to run ensurepip yourself in there to bootstrap a usable and update-able pip. We do not ship a bootstrapped pip in the Python distribution port build, nor should we, as it prevents/conflicts with pkg(8) managing ${PYTHON_SITELIBDIR}. Bottom line, the Python ecosystem is confusing and fast-changing enough, ev= en for maintainers and others who keep close tabs, let alone everyone else. We don't need to incite more confusion and debt. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.=