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Mon, 29 Sep 2025 07:49:19 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2025 07:49:18 +0300 From: Sulev-Madis Silber To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: =?US-ASCII?Q?Re=3A_bsdinstall=3A_system_requir?= =?US-ASCII?Q?ements=3A_memory/RAM=3A_ZFS=3A_2048?= =?US-ASCII?Q?_MB_for_an_ordinary_installation_plus_a_desktop_environment?= User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <20250927203411.E6790B633@freefall.freebsd.org> <714becfe-6772-4761-857e-d32700666e0b@gmail.com> <8c3cb94b-c1b5-45d2-9ac7-1502c4e6409c@gmail.com> <580e3d70-9969-4895-b641-b4343f675084@gmail.com> Message-ID: <41E202B1-71E0-4E0F-B524-402F04283629@ketas.si.pri.ee> List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.45 / 15.00]; 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Le sam. 27 sept. 2025 =C3=A0 22:34, Colin Percival a =C3=A9crit : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > The fourth alpha build of the 15.0-RELEASE release cycle is now available= . > > Installation images are available for: > > o 15.0-ALPHA4 amd64 GENERIC > o 15.0-ALPHA4 powerpc64 GENERIC64 > o 15.0-ALPHA4 powerpc64le GENERIC64LE > o 15.0-ALPHA4 armv7 GENERICSD > o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 GENERIC > o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 RPI > o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 PINE64 > o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 PINE64-LTS > o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 PINEBOOK > o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 ROCK64 > o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 ROCKPRO64 > o 15.0-ALPHA4 riscv64 GENERIC > o 15.0-ALPHA4 riscv64 GENERICSD > > Note regarding arm SD card images: For convenience for those without > console access to the system, a freebsd user with a password of > freebsd is available by default for ssh(1) access. Additionally, > the root user password is set to root. It is strongly recommended > to change the password for both users after gaining access to the > system. > > Installer images and memory stick images are available here: > > https://download.freebsd.org/releases/ISO-IMAGES/15.0/ > > The image checksums follow at the end of this e-mail. > > If you notice problems you can report them through the Bugzilla PR > system or on the -stable mailing list. > > If you would like to use Git to do a source based update of an existing > system, use the "stable/15" branch. > > A summary of changes since ALPHA3 includes: > > o Base system packages now contain descriptions. > > o When installing FreeBSD from release media, pkg is now installed. > > o The installer is now able to find and install a kernel on powerpc64. > > o Various fixes to the release build process. > > A list of changes since 14.0 is available in the stable/15 > release notes: > > https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.0R/relnotes/ > > Please note, the release notes page is not yet complete, and will be > updated on an ongoing basis as the 15.0-RELEASE cycle progresses. > > =3D=3D=3D Virtual Machine Disk Images =3D=3D=3D > > VM disk images are available for the amd64, i386, aarch64, and riscv64 > architectures. Disk images may be downloaded from the following URL > (or any of the FreeBSD download mirrors): > > https://download.freebsd.org/snapshots/VM-IMAGES/15.0-ALPHA4/ > > BASIC-CI images can be found at: > > https://download.freebsd.org/snapshots/CI-IMAGES/15.0-ALPHA4/ > > The partition layout is: > > ~ 16 kB - freebsd-boot GPT partition type (bootfs GPT label) > ~ 1 GB - freebsd-swap GPT partition type (swapfs GPT label) > ~ 20 GB - freebsd-ufs GPT partition type (rootfs GPT label) > > The disk images are available in QCOW2, VHD, VMDK, and raw disk image > formats. The image download size is approximately 650 MB, > decompressing to a 21 GB sparse image. > > Note regarding arm64/aarch64 virtual machine images: a modified QEMU EFI > loader file is needed for qemu-system-aarch64 to be able to boot the > virtual machine images. See this page for more information: > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm64/QEMU > > To boot the VM image, run: > > % qemu-system-aarch64 -m 4096M -cpu cortex-a57 -M virt \ > -bios QEMU_EFI.fd -serial telnet::4444,server -nographic \ > -drive if=3Dnone,file=3DVMDISK,id=3Dhd0 \ > -device virtio-blk-device,drive=3Dhd0 \ > -device virtio-net-device,netdev=3Dnet0 \ > -netdev user,id=3Dnet0 > > Be sure to replace "VMDISK" with the path to the virtual machine image. > > =3D=3D=3D OCI Container Images =3D=3D=3D > > OCI container images are available for the amd64, i386, aarch64, and > riscv64 > architectures, and can be found at > > https://download.freebsd.org/snapshots/OCI-IMAGES/15.0-ALPHA4/ > > There are five images: > > static - suitable for statically linked workloads > dynamic - suitable for dynamically linked workloads > runtime - suitable for shell workloads > notoolchain - almost everything except a compiler and build tools > toolchain - almost everything including a compiler and build tools > > The OCI images can be imported into local Podman container storage using > 'podman load': > > % podman load --input > ./FreeBSD---container-image-runtime.txz > > or copied to an image registry using 'skopeo copy': > > % skopeo copy \ > oci-archive:./FreeBSD---container-image-runtime.tx= z > \ > docker://myregistry.example.com/runtime: > > For amd64 and aarch64 architectures, these can be fetched conveniently > from Docker Hub or Github Container Registry: > > % podman pull docker.io/freebsd/freebsd-runtime:15.0.snap > % podman pull ghcr.io/freebsd/freebsd-runtime:15.0.snap > > =3D=3D=3D Amazon EC2 AMI Images =3D=3D=3D > > FreeBSD/amd64 EC2 AMI IDs can be retrieved from the Systems Manager > Parameter Store via the AWS CLI using the command > > % aws --region $REGION ssm get-parameter --name $KEY > > where $REGION is the desired region and $KEY is one of the following keys= : > > /aws/service/freebsd/amd64/base/ufs/15.0/ALPHA4 > /aws/service/freebsd/amd64/base/zfs/15.0/ALPHA4 > /aws/service/freebsd/amd64/builder/ufs/15.0/ALPHA4 > /aws/service/freebsd/amd64/builder/zfs/15.0/ALPHA4 > /aws/service/freebsd/amd64/cloud-init/ufs/15.0/ALPHA4 > /aws/service/freebsd/amd64/cloud-init/zfs/15.0/ALPHA4 > /aws/service/freebsd/amd64/small/ufs/15.0/ALPHA4 > /aws/service/freebsd/amd64/small/zfs/15.0/ALPHA4 > > FreeBSD/aarch64 EC2 AMI IDs can be retrieved using the keys > > /aws/service/freebsd/arm64/base/ufs/15.0/ALPHA4 > /aws/service/freebsd/arm64/base/zfs/15.0/ALPHA4 > /aws/service/freebsd/arm64/builder/ufs/15.0/ALPHA4 > /aws/service/freebsd/arm64/builder/zfs/15.0/ALPHA4 > /aws/service/freebsd/arm64/cloud-init/ufs/15.0/ALPHA4 > /aws/service/freebsd/arm64/cloud-init/zfs/15.0/ALPHA4 > /aws/service/freebsd/arm64/small/ufs/15.0/ALPHA4 > /aws/service/freebsd/arm64/small/zfs/15.0/ALPHA4 > > =3D=3D=3D Upgrading =3D=3D=3D > > FREEBSD-UPDATE SHOULD NOT BE USED TO UPGRADE TO 15.0-ALPHA4 AT PRESENT. > > An Errata Notice will be issued shortly to correct a bug in freebsd-updat= e > 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(FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.vmdk.= xz) > =3D c8474f0322606a970f54131ff297852ae36d532a011bfd115508d5b901481d8b > > > o 15.0-ALPHA4 riscv64: > SHA512 > (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.qcow2= .xz) > =3D > f886f023727b341a62202c9891e76084103891f5f74621c9d64633b214137388ce48f09b0= abe90d4ed44a6f50cf82bdc15702bfc95bb22d4a7f296c2bcfbc132 > SHA512 > (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.raw.x= z) > =3D > f7041fd13a23bdabf6f85c4aaa4c43dfaf81562b05de8b320545fbf3491ce0220fe3cf727= 606beec385b0dc52a9c827ac2c10a576f640b3237e08c6b07b1aedd > SHA512 > (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.vhd.x= z) > =3D > 99605c1f8d5784af20ae819a3d61c544531188ea86c00f0451cc5cccfdf54a7b0ff077f4e= 282e2a1c2281fdaafd600cd5bed636dfe58e800e0eaf148651eacde > SHA512 > (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.vmdk.= xz) > =3D > 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cbf304f9d9a0c84067c737987677f3df90cefbf07097f281b8324efe2255b415 > SHA256 > (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334-r= untime.txz) > =3D 6da8f619bf5b0213352faa566739ff9732750dd5a2ab40bb0d6830490360fd22 > SHA256 > (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334-s= tatic.txz) > =3D 058779ce9a6ad4686f2d7e32116b0ce214952ece751cab0b1401cc4e280be0fb > SHA256 > (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334-t= oolchain.txz) > =3D 95e40850960ddf1de2eb51cfc5b932b3e089c750aeea092e97c79a6d1749b943 > > > o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64: > SHA512 > (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334-dynamic.txz) > =3D > 7dd6b8f2aa96a254c9ed59e391b4a17f658d7f8907f963b5ecf1db1a58fa5519d5d236fc5= 736b3001ad0a2c148e3ed60b4245d4df2acd45fcaed8fe3816bc431 > SHA512 > (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334-notoolchain.txz) > =3D > 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7a8e97cc90a43608556f87c9710f1b68bba6cac95d43c6a232b663bc5ad3e032 > SHA256 > (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334-notoolchain.txz) > =3D 4694279b2b8a33aefcbaaf64acd5c829af7fa5895284596f327a2771fe4ee6f4 > SHA256 > (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334-runtime.txz) > =3D c08a14c81061406c99b57f3a5c22d1de909fa077e3303d65cc01d39aa5bdc426 > SHA256 > (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334-static.txz) > =3D 6dd9620021ae31fa6b5ee40e267495f7c993823916862a8bfc1770d26df2f329 > SHA256 > (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334-toolchain.txz) > =3D bd9987f8cee058f6246c13466ad4618e25558e6ac0aa7a0a270dd6ff5141fd82 > > > o 15.0-ALPHA4 riscv64: > SHA512 > (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334-dynamic.txz) > =3D > 038224c3c660ce93c49bab789b1f4e1d344f2030d19a8753cffa447ea54abaa44e2a26eee= 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The fourth alpha build of the 15.0-RELEASE release cycle is now available.<= br>
Installation images are available for:

o 15.0-ALPHA4 amd64 GENERIC
o 15.0-ALPHA4 powerpc64 GENERIC64
o 15.0-ALPHA4 powerpc64le GENERIC64LE
o 15.0-ALPHA4 armv7 GENERICSD
o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 GENERIC
o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 RPI
o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 PINE64
o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 PINE64-LTS
o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 PINEBOOK
o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 ROCK64
o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 ROCKPRO64
o 15.0-ALPHA4 riscv64 GENERIC
o 15.0-ALPHA4 riscv64 GENERICSD

Note regarding arm SD card images: For convenience for those without
console access to the system, a freebsd user with a password of
freebsd is available by default for ssh(1) access.=C2=A0 Additionally,
the root user password is set to root.=C2=A0 It is strongly recommended
to change the password for both users after gaining access to the
system.

Installer images and memory stick images are available here:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://download.freebsd.org/rel= eases/ISO-IMAGES/15.0/

The image checksums follow at the end of this e-mail.

If you notice problems you can report them through the Bugzilla PR
system or on the -stable mailing list.

If you would like to use Git to do a source based update of an existing
system, use the "stable/15" branch.

A summary of changes since ALPHA3 includes:

o Base system packages now contain descriptions.

o When installing FreeBSD from release media, pkg is now installed.

o The installer is now able to find and install a kernel on powerpc64.

o Various fixes to the release build process.

A list of changes since 14.0 is available in the stable/15
release notes:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.0R= /relnotes/

Please note, the release notes page is not yet complete, and will be
updated on an ongoing basis as the 15.0-RELEASE cycle progresses.

=3D=3D=3D Virtual Machine Disk Images =3D=3D=3D

VM disk images are available for the amd64, i386, aarch64, and riscv64
architectures.=C2=A0 Disk images may be downloaded from the following URL (or any of the FreeBSD download mirrors):

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://download.freebsd.= org/snapshots/VM-IMAGES/15.0-ALPHA4/

BASIC-CI images can be found at:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://download.freebsd.= org/snapshots/CI-IMAGES/15.0-ALPHA4/

The partition layout is:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ~ 16 kB - freebsd-boot GPT partition type (bootfs GPT label)<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ~ 1 GB=C2=A0 - freebsd-swap GPT partition type (swapfs GPT la= bel)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ~ 20 GB - freebsd-ufs GPT partition type (rootfs GPT label)
The disk images are available in QCOW2, VHD, VMDK, and raw disk image
formats.=C2=A0 The image download size is approximately 650 MB,
decompressing to a 21 GB sparse image.

Note regarding arm64/aarch64 virtual machine images: a modified QEMU EFI loader file is needed for qemu-system-aarch64 to be able to boot the
virtual machine images.=C2=A0 See this page for more information:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm64/QEMU

To boot the VM image, run:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 % qemu-system-aarch64 -m 4096M -cpu cortex-a57 -M virt=C2=A0 = \
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -bios QEMU_EFI.fd -serial telnet::4444,server -= nographic \
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -drive if=3Dnone,file=3DVMDISK,id=3Dhd0 \
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -device virtio-blk-device,drive=3Dhd0 \
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -device virtio-net-device,netdev=3Dnet0 \
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -netdev user,id=3Dnet0

Be sure to replace "VMDISK" with the path to the virtual machine = image.

=3D=3D=3D OCI Container Images =3D=3D=3D

OCI container images are available for the amd64, i386, aarch64, and riscv6= 4
architectures, and can be found at

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://download.freebsd= .org/snapshots/OCI-IMAGES/15.0-ALPHA4/

There are five images:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 static=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - suitable for statically linked w= orkloads
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 dynamic=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- suitable for dynamically linked = workloads
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 runtime=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- suitable for shell workloads
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 notoolchain - almost everything except a compiler and build t= ools
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 toolchain=C2=A0 =C2=A0- almost everything including a compile= r and build tools

The OCI images can be imported into local Podman container storage using 'podman load':

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 % podman load --input ./FreeBSD-<version>-<arch>-= container-image-runtime.txz

or copied to an image registry using 'skopeo copy':

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 % skopeo copy \
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 oci-archive:./FreeBSD-<version>-<arch&= gt;-container-image-runtime.txz \
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 docker://myregistry.example.com/run= time:<version>

For amd64 and aarch64 architectures, these can be fetched conveniently
from Docker Hub or Github Container Registry:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 % podman pull docker.io/freebsd/free= bsd-runtime:15.0.snap
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 % podman pull ghcr.io/freebsd/freebsd-= runtime:15.0.snap

=3D=3D=3D Amazon EC2 AMI Images =3D=3D=3D

FreeBSD/amd64 EC2 AMI IDs can be retrieved from the Systems Manager
Parameter Store via the AWS CLI using the command

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 % aws --region $REGION ssm get-parameter --name $KEY

where $REGION is the desired region and $KEY is one of the following keys:<= br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /aws/service/freebsd/amd64/base/ufs/15.0/ALPHA4=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /aws/service/freebsd/amd64/base/zfs/15.0/ALPHA4=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /aws/service/freebsd/amd64/builder/ufs/15.0/ALP= HA4
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /aws/service/freebsd/amd64/builder/zfs/15.0/ALP= HA4
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /aws/service/freebsd/amd64/cloud-init/ufs/15.0/= ALPHA4
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /aws/service/freebsd/amd64/cloud-init/zfs/15.0/= ALPHA4
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /aws/service/freebsd/amd64/small/ufs/15.0/ALPHA= 4
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /aws/service/freebsd/amd64/small/zfs/15.0/ALPHA= 4

FreeBSD/aarch64 EC2 AMI IDs can be retrieved using the keys

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /aws/service/freebsd/arm64/base/ufs/15.0/ALPHA4=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /aws/service/freebsd/arm64/base/zfs/15.0/ALPHA4=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /aws/service/freebsd/arm64/builder/ufs/15.0/ALP= HA4
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /aws/service/freebsd/arm64/builder/zfs/15.0/ALP= HA4
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /aws/service/freebsd/arm64/cloud-init/ufs/15.0/= ALPHA4
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /aws/service/freebsd/arm64/cloud-init/zfs/15.0/= ALPHA4
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /aws/service/freebsd/arm64/small/ufs/15.0/ALPHA= 4
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /aws/service/freebsd/arm64/small/zfs/15.0/ALPHA= 4

=3D=3D=3D Upgrading =3D=3D=3D

FREEBSD-UPDATE SHOULD NOT BE USED TO UPGRADE TO 15.0-ALPHA4 AT PRESENT.

An Errata Notice will be issued shortly to correct a bug in freebsd-update<= br> which renders systems inoperative when upgrading to 15.0.

=3D=3D ISO CHECKSUMS =3D=3D

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o 15.0-ALPHA4 powerpc64le GENERIC64LE:
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-powerpc-powerpc64le-20250927-d2b670b27f3= 7-280334-bootonly.iso) =3D 41ec4c2c41d3a1b4b913be43f42ab40267a9069656c1901d= 0f74844b93294943eb500e50afb1b032f1ad366d6cdcc02f94acf259cd35379d7558f6a7c7d= fb56c
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-powerpc-powerpc64le-20250927-d2b670b27f3= 7-280334-bootonly.iso.xz) =3D 2404e1a2edc29569433d4237b4bf1f6cd4dc72258345c= 6324b50fad01921544e06113530e692cf5b6a0f0bbf3b9c7fe74e93c3aedf130ab93c91c1ac= c00f7e49
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-powerpc-powerpc64le-20250927-d2b670b27f3= 7-280334-disc1.iso) =3D 90747f137312deca4244edf928f9fe854b2842943caf3f0a310= bdb36cfe10805252156f9c02d30900fa6d24626f75abf543493bc6592e89e6315e676ac0f7b= 20
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-powerpc-powerpc64le-20250927-d2b670b27f3= 7-280334-disc1.iso.xz) =3D d6ee5853c2bece1f416d7e03e364de1305cf711d2b243438= 845da9bea25a08f97a4ac1d5ecb632cc2037553fc11b0100ab6333e268d82b8b06fcb976a17= 3a2bc

=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-powerpc-powerpc64le-20250927-d2b670b27f3= 7-280334-bootonly.iso) =3D 0821a849329e9fdd03b2812f8026444e0ffa3e0321ef6eaf= 6c0b0ec02ba5ec9e
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-powerpc-powerpc64le-20250927-d2b670b27f3= 7-280334-bootonly.iso.xz) =3D 192ca0d7d3591db7758e14b8892cb79d606db057a035c= d6101eb9a6d303d64b9
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-powerpc-powerpc64le-20250927-d2b670b27f3= 7-280334-disc1.iso) =3D 24a6e1817b8f720c9c6a661c74f92a6ac06fa0ab72f66962238= 0d074d3a22f03
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-powerpc-powerpc64le-20250927-d2b670b27f3= 7-280334-disc1.iso.xz) =3D 6147b10b769c66700c5cf788390e79af89ddea6761df6bfe= 267bcfa978f5054c


o 15.0-ALPHA4 armv7 GENERICSD:
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm-armv7-GENERICSD-20250927-d2b670b27f3= 7-280334.img.xz) =3D 40d069d80009f819b28fc8e42d4f66d5c65fa3aaa12581475fbc4b= 3e8c7b4152d2ebac56f9497a6f61f65f32a55ad103740ff8b4dec9782ddf6aa8b29ff125be<= br>
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm-armv7-GENERICSD-20250927-d2b670b27f3= 7-280334.img.xz) =3D b2fb053978d1526d1d57fc8c2eace98033b3390278022407d6fdcc= 7e96170e2a


o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 GENERIC:
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-bootonly.iso) =3D 42f9ffd58cef0c7776a3728de1147c5e9fa321555382e94034430b= 2b5cfcb88b0f0b17a9979147736deab83a99680b444221563861711e7db2fe7db7905fff4b<= br> =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-bootonly.iso.xz) =3D 31036c43b20e7a28a347bd0039552ad304974b970f6a63d83e8= f9db52870c52d986122214139f7abab45f55fb7dd7be85b3f2a212f7f20dfcbe60c1dc3aef0= 7a
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-disc1.iso) =3D 799d17c620bb61cf443805e9c04af7ba6cc410a54a472533b72410823= bfa607eb5c0b64ec6179fe0cc2183cc84449c339b8a15070be810084522ea1b86eb18a4
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-disc1.iso.xz) =3D a1900b9a7a15b637b5628eb5bb64a0bcfe5c73675d0d0906bea58d= bea0251000d2417e996f484b67ed34babb8a477836f3f6712848c9d16d77d188cb9b44017f<= br> =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-dvd1.iso) =3D 12071eb75854a4f9e266907aed669f56ef46312849bb4bd46d6dbbc123= 61de352d066eaf9e03484cc56f578bed76c4d5f6d2499d142c6eae1d667cf2ad4a90ce
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-dvd1.iso.xz) =3D e6c7cc54e8792392a809c5449cf72bb64686c9c5b869b24721e39c1= 1db318aca5e23360dea750e686329d464c3293ac0c761aeef90a3c05b17146f78f03a1d2a =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-memstick.img) =3D ac347203c57782fc89b1e79a1be285f8df025c6be1729df4149026= 614585cac71148db58b828417b88949d14c3336781e1bdcf4534b15d0427b428ced05cbf03<= br> =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-memstick.img.xz) =3D 617793c22d28affcb33ed43c70dbc7045df954a76eafbf7175b= 5a3d9211babce32f3ff2f1127d81a50b4ce85e7cc9319700aeca7c17ecb6d27c4541fde6d98= a1
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-mini-memstick.img) =3D 9c906196f2ae37ec9954705290d6e8a7544a0105a68bee61b= e1278f6dd3118dff7a3c05d4c146ce1182605c40a5be4186047a7f321239451ca0b58e69e40= fa2d
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-mini-memstick.img.xz) =3D d39c30ffe224e014aa49e1f603f5e6e353cea66c96c24c= 49cfc88fa304a55c4ec60bc5ff52ff6a352030eeb7a8898481b1fcc69ddeff9280de0a51008= 10ed4e2

=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-bootonly.iso) =3D 6ea1b4ef42b59467bb4643925909d87713e3e91debee935822e7a6= 722263cb6b
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-bootonly.iso.xz) =3D ba8961fd62c92eaf3fbdde4801b0d12b4d4487b51981af55651= 3272eb46bdc60
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-disc1.iso) =3D 51e728d4a79e8d1416ddfdab8c7a505202eae6e8bb7711d1cafe8c7c8= 9b30535
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-disc1.iso.xz) =3D 2e8f87d8813e20ad74e95cb4e3ca2387012ec1f36b8dd48bc5b4c5= d0bc1cf1e2
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-dvd1.iso) =3D 26045367b7f6b421c7a3a565a4d7f9fe44db94b5fb809dcbd78a3a21da= 74aed7
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-dvd1.iso.xz) =3D 8f02fca7874e702ad8cc81f5b08ca4ad79a5d17069860610d14ede7= 9b929b24c
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-memstick.img) =3D 4bc8e658c5c0d0e44c691fe9d9adfd7d4212bf23927efb844357f0= e7b0181589
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-memstick.img.xz) =3D 0a67a7427dfa4fefd06b2782e32f903bc35203da4c9c6ef3223= 2d03925a763ac
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-mini-memstick.img) =3D 4d6845adf84950ed158e71e036755a221f51b39b695ef8794= d2e273e24511288
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-mini-memstick.img.xz) =3D 2fa8187e20e7181cedcac4a68345229b06e1705a1d3ac4= 3426dc1b1080dd8f77


o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 RPI:
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-RPI-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.img.xz) =3D 1e5f42c4260da6365447abf826390a861d98e351dea5039ce8526bf7= 0596cdbd4a4a8e62462a2624223bcf090b279972f2e7cf20d68ff07ca5f221a2a28831f2
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-RPI-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.img.xz) =3D 7bedfe18404b0f2c9647541b961202b3bcf46dbfa0b2ea96a63251ae= b73a807d


o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 PINE64:
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-PINE64-20250927-d2b670b27f= 37-280334.img.xz) =3D 4ea974e14771e4166ef01f011028a7d1b586c0af1f7a30fe5fd4f= 4144b356a69897ba58e8791fdd0ea0f735e712fd153e370f9b0a944f35a6f5ff72359bc31de=

=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-PINE64-20250927-d2b670b27f= 37-280334.img.xz) =3D 98755280e11c1286a69a7554d9cf8ea2a9378bbd0a24c111e5f51= 08b1273c5b4


o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 PINE64-LTS:
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-PINE64-LTS-20250927-d2b670= b27f37-280334.img.xz) =3D 3ebc3b07f10b339a9f414dc3660014cb7e124caeb38f85008= ed690f0be2da42d60296c144742d3705933c397f9f8058cbae57334ecac2f45a5ca046af7b7= 13c2

=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-PINE64-LTS-20250927-d2b670= b27f37-280334.img.xz) =3D 9c9b44662d0dc3203fd1a2d38deeeeed9ecdba541889d89b3= 7cb2c7513f483ce


o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 PINEBOOK:
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-PINEBOOK-20250927-d2b670b2= 7f37-280334.img.xz) =3D 11c6d0327e4482ec9fd204e1ee4106197d40678a7e535d56da2= 21c66bc9103331d00aa20fac5bd6dfd5977377295362467d655ce19b542edc9432f0d8cf5d6= a1

=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-PINEBOOK-20250927-d2b670b2= 7f37-280334.img.xz) =3D 7bf493f7656d43e7096593aa291c205b408053d627d938ff5b7= e8a4f2b4369bc


o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 ROCK64:
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-ROCK64-20250927-d2b670b27f= 37-280334.img.xz) =3D ab0b2633b577f94e824712e4430b46ea15f32338a496f389ac8b4= 8a796a705b0a97c9927765b8715f142b78eee292c540b4bd487bb9445937c7dd28930c41872=

=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-ROCK64-20250927-d2b670b27f= 37-280334.img.xz) =3D 888d4d9d05d9bcdc0cf3178dab778337ca2fe0b83a9910afc109a= a5294baa6c8


o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64 ROCKPRO64:
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-ROCKPRO64-20250927-d2b670b= 27f37-280334.img.xz) =3D d7819fdc680c96b836492d83a7b43350e8598931d9c12ac818= 7500afc2f6395de07efe15e9bf6ea519584bfed0443f61371c31f0665dcadda97f2f5bdd382= cb3

=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-ROCKPRO64-20250927-d2b670b= 27f37-280334.img.xz) =3D f052a8f080217945acddc37c4c5103825736af5c5662296258= b52a6fe4826a98


o 15.0-ALPHA4 riscv64 GENERIC:
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-bootonly.iso) =3D 1e972f2f25c35801cf05afadfa74509d3eb66f4683ef59d19f89d8= dc5b45b68a2650f7edd70c89e7560d46834845b1fb9955e91dc8270324d446169550d59495<= br> =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-bootonly.iso.xz) =3D 9b6d8e9b54a2bf2a5eca71a81eb6b228e7afc944d9b5b3984e1= e73d81ecab4bb0da25a64ef8bfcd8240e1855f598b4c3f9884efd104c0a234b05bca6222479= cc
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-disc1.iso) =3D f5cc9fe22426eb38741a67f826cff6c527a79923f67d42039737fe60d= a64b2ea8bdba541b4c16f196884360310ee74be744597ab2fa0080628a59d7657b940b4
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-disc1.iso.xz) =3D 5c562bb071063828dde80df3795c92c0ebd98879dab4c1d209707e= ad594864eceb1346a90ea57d575b302270204c570c35efe7162e133c152afcf2b669ca69ac<= br> =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-memstick.img) =3D 191d3c0962ac0ecbe1341803874149ed83d391d9c4bbd87c0c386f= b14252ef114ff96a0e13d82d6e05d38a854ccdfa2acfb147f18e3e013ef4029edf3eaf8ad4<= br> =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-memstick.img.xz) =3D 923d0f57bc64487888520e85fedab3eb0bc439df4b181c58eb1= 77fdb54ef4050f82d27e76e05000e6089af7a95f9caa8cae956d20115049593abd959f8886d= 54
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-mini-memstick.img) =3D 375edbb32a26a51422e8e618846b86553209f7da29b164f02= c768311aab8d1309f4a9c2a462ad9066a645f3f0d423ae268535b940a4ca5163721f23e2085= c577
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-mini-memstick.img.xz) =3D 9e69af7f54aa96a50e68baefe257ac7271d3475d576e16= db8a8bdaac31220c36e3c689b5d2cdad432fd4cfb44ba7b6a736c17de7e2bb7b4908a156b59= a435ea4

=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-bootonly.iso) =3D b3bd814d1cf04c6d5d10a34101434d77d5599316132a2259132aed= 6d22a7bc3f
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-bootonly.iso.xz) =3D a9882a7602e9789334a6facd027f6a121d020b0528fe274a94d= a74a3283d8e08
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-disc1.iso) =3D 34140b8752691d2cafc1156a8dcb11b8d7cd85b9782b92ce2d09af4d9= 511dc40
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-disc1.iso.xz) =3D a414c5413e40a161a2c637032c44ac70ca053d46df6e85580ed008= 00f1216e06
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-memstick.img) =3D b58e478766e11e43de57078a7276b6bec9d46066d67a9611b57914= 4c5b4fa838
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-memstick.img.xz) =3D 58e384e0d3472081d245fd57c68d1c09413492e1a31462c9d92= 8e2fec81bd731
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-mini-memstick.img) =3D b19706f171f4fe7277cc634a526828719c32ec30872ca9fb5= a7e284140a83379
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-20250927-d2b670b27f37-2803= 34-mini-memstick.img.xz) =3D e0aedf7621ef65d15a9e7f80cfc4bb1a800b30165dfdbe= 05ccd10d58a7ce628e


o 15.0-ALPHA4 riscv64 GENERICSD:
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-GENERICSD-20250927-d2b670b= 27f37-280334.img.xz) =3D 6c1d2732999ac36ef6e4f56be9b1ea88e7c7be136e169dc211= 0cdcd42e64887a9bbb5a058e01d9e6cb25e63304c9688d92cbb83a2fbbf9edbeedf9c0d09b8= 4bb

=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-GENERICSD-20250927-d2b670b= 27f37-280334.img.xz) =3D 36a019d7f1c80f7b28725898efdf52036a368bf25b52fc8321= 0f3dad7e9f3d09


=3D=3D VM IMAGE CHECKSUMS =3D=3D

o 15.0-ALPHA4 amd64:
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20250927-d2b670b27= f37-280334-ufs.qcow2.xz) =3D 248dcb9a79a9a680444b377aba18b6849717629bad5c14= f4f7f8a92cb564e94a1ab84010b0ce1cfea9ea9617712a088505e1d1d258baeaab2633c8005= 85aa337
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20250927-d2b670b27= f37-280334-ufs.raw.xz) =3D 4da67cc9264bcac177413fd6cc8592aadf68e65810a6f567= 6d10f45af0b104b74957089b5aa78e9024e06ff3cdd540ff19c92839faaf6dc17df9846edbb= b2d15
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20250927-d2b670b27= f37-280334-zfs.qcow2.xz) =3D c15b41cadb9adf48cd52b1cd8fb6e237e1a56b58b344a5= 00422698ae2d0dedb8948baed45c191f1c8dc79010d3e3d9aa49686be80fbb6a24e31a7b95c= 226e300
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20250927-d2b670b27= f37-280334-zfs.raw.xz) =3D 630cc6d15d3fb9d1ab0531b33bb983a34de9b2bce03f44f4= c69853e9a80e864ec434f3dc67f3eaf031124af1f548394619509a46398ac4d406bb2483760= 3a3b5
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.q= cow2.xz) =3D 456ed15ec81e1a09f7ef252646f00047c198e90c7b1ca691c052013e6b6c52= 52ebaf95ac557f343579130be72ad00e32b263e7568f9c9f928bd61e397d29c280
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.r= aw.xz) =3D 46d712fb7551b2a6f8650156a3f0493e2f9fd5d5c0eecd892ae0b3a4bf94c008= 49629984e25ef887f192e875cd8aeec6939960cb8e70fcbf11413a1c4b3d5db1
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.v= hd.xz) =3D 447317be652fe1d50cf2bd6364048520b9c681a5a05de6a38056767328336fa3= e586bcdfde780ad61e1db202abdc7b9592e89f66ad1d887958366d03ccfa5832
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.v= mdk.xz) =3D 0ad83cb89dc8fd8042c95009c62c1384ab3ddbc1d3a9a7807990440cb5fa7a5= 5f6b6abe537bd4dc65887e97ed67a0846b7937babdb2c62f6b02254b84adc0d14
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.q= cow2.xz) =3D 348c3005dca3361410cb7e841920b6762dd380ae657d8dd72d2543cb3dec91= f1173d6d30b4c99fe86169d3efafc898f28cf0e720280820a57679b214974192da
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.r= aw.xz) =3D 131dbc0e5116dff30015aac9c8501b9d116f0ab38af48baff86f49c6a2b2976e= 216d5e34a3853264ed35e3f5b121f7fca0fe5c6d6d0f2cf45bbb8c0307625649
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.v= hd.xz) =3D a24e7065357f65ce7b3b546dd0bb2797db163401f8a3f86d3bfb4cfcf3255346= 217c1702c0432bd8109d661c669f98aa877db2c1e774dd232070308fd9f33b5b
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.v= mdk.xz) =3D 6c211c48ff92b53fdfb98011390079adf56703fe12f845445f4daf57cc7b1a7= eabec9816f0fb78c1690ad55cea2bd103117586b88416b0341c63fd45e8a153f3

=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20250927-d2b670b27= f37-280334-ufs.qcow2.xz) =3D 77cd39ff4390c33b0f492681ba9cb5f0c8fd9f368ab0ae= 55010dad1d4b7efc56
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20250927-d2b670b27= f37-280334-ufs.raw.xz) =3D 62a4def08bbe606a220e50eec9c423aedf840268cde37a71= 7c24bfef518b36ee
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20250927-d2b670b27= f37-280334-zfs.qcow2.xz) =3D b20f9d784794f16cf97b30101488dc445a21da3738013b= 07452696cf507ced18
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20250927-d2b670b27= f37-280334-zfs.raw.xz) =3D 77f4c3b3eee685cb322242dc8fa0695b0edaed3daf0e0997= 78e421a4b0e7c787
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.q= cow2.xz) =3D d50f6f47cad68d384e9ef8ed30d8315c8680576618b0710cf1fc202e78a737= e3
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.r= aw.xz) =3D 2d70f9e20038e93e053254a214c08e8818173d328472ce66096a45c2c4a1eeef=
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.v= hd.xz) =3D 1bed10cd0bacc78ea69f4943c7209de19cec90b0beaf9e903639ccf9071b30c2=
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.v= mdk.xz) =3D 74a55adb2b2675a520ac87048b774c9c479a01e4b2e5ebc5d21f123ca3446db= 4
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.q= cow2.xz) =3D e6bd863d45114f7e571a57b36f75456472aa15af0278ce0c7c4bf0f138b5d4= be
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.r= aw.xz) =3D 186f549d3ed015699760623fa97b7a6aa39f12c9ef4fe29cf252479b67ed1828=
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.v= hd.xz) =3D 2eb6833225b5fc70976bdc53ea8f26debbee7435bc6ddf0a6e37e82019ab5053=
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-280334.v= mdk.xz) =3D c33ce5a24029b245cc796f0df406e403531c582f2a5f76ca5f97cd66e5ea29f= 8


o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64:
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20250927-d= 2b670b27f37-280334-ufs.qcow2.xz) =3D 8fc4fcee23275a9bcb3ce83053a5b4a395ffaa= 54f992f6353b92c86fa1d97dcaaed3ec8cedd1eb79d0369f274c8cadcd573b10ead05e10b76= 89c91f36a96113e
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20250927-d= 2b670b27f37-280334-ufs.raw.xz) =3D 9c56e4cd7d5e38e920d72a943de946f960821d46= 4ed9b519986c78cbbe6ca217fbfc5f35fed1014f8f1f5446363b16a3fdd383e3595e9c90cd4= 126f0086cf591
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20250927-d= 2b670b27f37-280334-zfs.qcow2.xz) =3D ea62ca97bc4d538820d84a6729b7d9866502fd= 7e65abe394c16b1be152bd285a98b18607f44e7c4e539cea2d109b807fb76ead9212eaa4812= 762fe78171cf394
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20250927-d= 2b670b27f37-280334-zfs.raw.xz) =3D be3684327908438aa7cdc94538c9a58f46a18eae= 8a9942865ddedbd71ab65feb7d6ca8e4cfef478974abb2c0662fa1098d3f38fa8f4ffdcc663= 005cd524a1170
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.qcow2.xz) =3D 4e19a7241486340b8906e2b401f304bf0fcad33c753848871b75b5= d2ef3261cb61bbf66f685c89c164dd25a2845e2d2707da57926afc8ecff5f179084bfdd686<= br> =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.raw.xz) =3D 0fc837532028ccc57983b2e11072322990cb1c79a4a5d0e3f9494a18= ebfed730667af7dea1b3ee6b06f7771e934a4ecfff4c7e14a5be79150d3070443c7eb905 =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.vhd.xz) =3D fb2163dd408fd15def09a114d399bfa95a677a4553411259e464faaf= 4885b39fa20172f5581b245cc5055d494cfa760ef01380a8e21a770cd2e02b3c951a9738 =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.vmdk.xz) =3D 7ab21b4b92ba6ac2bf0d98db8a9508ecb407291ecc5d3380427a436= f9626b98b5d1bb13008e98e5d044cc3293df7ac971ffde95a3eba871fbb3ad0e0d0562df4 =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.qcow2.xz) =3D c3e0299064292d7b0da1d025dbd1c3a5f06ff9113f625da2ba844a= 2bb9731eb1474f759402d8a46220d128137f1540abac61793385110594acf37eb2c4c8b114<= br> =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.raw.xz) =3D 380856a5a92060ea51ca76bda48440503dff0c7a20b56429aaefe064= cc080d0e7e33657839a3ff89e4d0449d8eb16419452fdb4d3056a068a1121239397376dc =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.vhd.xz) =3D 88fb9a1519ab3ccfe2e0c2113dc85a9bbd9889f357d1601fb8e39cf8= 1bdeff7f5640b6edaf034d76af1ca646e683c336a7671ce28801188c1119321663bd64cd =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.vmdk.xz) =3D 4c9a0e8e7c31ba39f96cf101dc203e9a43d55e04b42f761d0e4f903= 6194d27e8f8270c731623eb34a16a0c2ba0fc1f3536f43f16930f00f81dcaefe58b94a5a4
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20250927-d= 2b670b27f37-280334-ufs.qcow2.xz) =3D 7d54444408081e5e41bd9ddc1689e1bf4a8c3d= a4fb422532301b044643415b54
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20250927-d= 2b670b27f37-280334-ufs.raw.xz) =3D ec645799558f63557491072fafafb943a8def7b2= 7315e3faab9360de4ae099b4
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20250927-d= 2b670b27f37-280334-zfs.qcow2.xz) =3D d716663a904ae85477dfebf9f968246e92a7f4= cf96c71d39eda58d8a52028b7e
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20250927-d= 2b670b27f37-280334-zfs.raw.xz) =3D a189170de0adb778da23bd3940fd8a9f935a4248= 8c1d26f221934f2bd4967dd2
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.qcow2.xz) =3D b189349e3dc2df118988e8d10bc7c43802ffb4b0b9d8d32f2d57f8= 686c6dff9d
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.raw.xz) =3D 1d60f77f38bfaafcfde91b46e6d364a3fe546a5c257119619ea6de79= 11695676
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.vhd.xz) =3D 81d110fb35a681eec31acabfd6d465449dd7d380bdcf165568c43ed8= 61dd6359
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.vmdk.xz) =3D 16d2695699e303544f8679b9423a48d2017cd81c94f109ff3573b10= fddc01216
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.qcow2.xz) =3D 15526f95a5f09a384976593fcd65248356f006d59f82f31f66048a= 3642ac2c3e
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.raw.xz) =3D 4ee014b5d716809c9357f70d93004e5894a43fc1e7379e3954b8d312= c519f679
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.vhd.xz) =3D a4c6810282f4ad405876359d3c68f97406a4cea085207ae3448baa94= 27d1de66
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-arm64-aarch64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.vmdk.xz) =3D c8474f0322606a970f54131ff297852ae36d532a011bfd115508d5b= 901481d8b


o 15.0-ALPHA4 riscv64:
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.qcow2.xz) =3D f886f023727b341a62202c9891e76084103891f5f74621c9d64633= b214137388ce48f09b0abe90d4ed44a6f50cf82bdc15702bfc95bb22d4a7f296c2bcfbc132<= br> =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.raw.xz) =3D f7041fd13a23bdabf6f85c4aaa4c43dfaf81562b05de8b320545fbf3= 491ce0220fe3cf727606beec385b0dc52a9c827ac2c10a576f640b3237e08c6b07b1aedd =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.vhd.xz) =3D 99605c1f8d5784af20ae819a3d61c544531188ea86c00f0451cc5ccc= fdf54a7b0ff077f4e282e2a1c2281fdaafd600cd5bed636dfe58e800e0eaf148651eacde =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.vmdk.xz) =3D 7b8575f4b29f211695d255c89d19a92827eae2b352e758b3e2c09e8= 241b9923eb51b90540ea50f79feca47ff63a1c52c4546018342263c2196c8b79ff3009d8a =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.qcow2.xz) =3D d6481e5ec9b2afc4f230b9fd0fe27b660ee06a6604dec6b2819bd3= 8fb4d7419a3a41265b8af5c731b08d65b0e2d705cf1279891eef030ef3ff8d146094fe7132<= br> =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.raw.xz) =3D fc5e158fc51509f4cb783652f70381713c188d0405e43f364737dfd1= 416dac2f4f0804a1f8b7a3fc7cab465c23415eef2e3ad30772931366cf8f96ff42e6ebf0 =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.vhd.xz) =3D fa836f4f7971cedcfb9bf56aaf45e741737ba71d214acd9e6bc811bd= c1219eb1bee66d29a2adc76d5170ddbc6e492997202c7a92d7c1447b195189ef0a116c67 =C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.vmdk.xz) =3D 054caf39986c97414b097e47f1b772715624d9f7e092798529d8424= edc268d432631c8b4695176b9c39df653320a7993f85a9812f0af7446ea6ef58815af907a
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.qcow2.xz) =3D 18529845cc1c3e69f5a137615cd4446e2cdf195863e587df42d661= 65e8006d35
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.raw.xz) =3D 620eb511438310b47b2860c5f19b97f1239ff789c4fabd5cd0dd6ea8= 5f5c2f14
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.vhd.xz) =3D 10137271a55020f68b01bd34830981b94621906e7e556e52cf60d8c9= 48d8db98
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.vmdk.xz) =3D 378bfa5ceae67a57c092fa56684189234402e0f71dee7ed8913be8b= 4d7f774eb
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.qcow2.xz) =3D 8bbf329b0dad7fdc0663b6c831b0d0b4497ab75aaffa6d5278f2a6= 50833cfb1d
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.raw.xz) =3D af70bf4ce61a6e10c542792ee598a35b1779d547795473f6c879f210= 3e2b1b58
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.vhd.xz) =3D 93e574d9c965b42b7a28b1cacd0809a3db900d6b75c1ea860fbdc8d9= a6397773
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-riscv-riscv64-zfs-20250927-d2b670b27f37-= 280334.vmdk.xz) =3D b362a9f0b8a068e42d02626f6d062ca4653442c3ab786a657a2030b= 0039c221e


=3D=3D OCI CONTAINER CHECKSUMS =3D=3D

o 15.0-ALPHA4 amd64:
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27= f37-280334-dynamic.txz) =3D 291541f75ed344b0b8f05f9eb0a023b72c8068b29adf91d= ef785528ae1ea99e7eb7a6afbdef065714896445958dcb5666b784bd1895f270bfbdcfede96= c6e15a
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27= f37-280334-notoolchain.txz) =3D 00c7d8421e0c52136eed2052a1e5713920466277b3f= 0ee1f3e81c83ba37219726c023da9f572a2a28ac6f6ad5ef48c915a119fef9737f8f013e8d0= 2bbcbfbc29
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27= f37-280334-runtime.txz) =3D 06a5f3d64fa6d1374635f26256ae7815caeb9870ab7883f= 113dd3de154a87a3a1dd2e3146dfe5a35eb986caa44a7f90b5ed6d2361ed5c451875b636805= 970769
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27= f37-280334-static.txz) =3D 07396428839cc5aeff4fd3d481ddb03e197cb929b7f9f0fa= 3834ca45b11b846a780b4515af3b27019b31ab3597fa4f35e3052f7fb9de07da9af2e3ab6ba= e2208
=C2=A0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27= f37-280334-toolchain.txz) =3D 006fd7a7805a2e8e6508e643a4dd11198dc0b7d845675= 4020c23d8463ad8aa259bb4b0489789ac7384bc77a706c1c6b4fdf604f60b1ea9c4ab0b4f0d= 31eb33f7

=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27= f37-280334-dynamic.txz) =3D e30a3a2e33f093ce31cf2306f3792c6fb9cbfc865999745= 05e6b6baab44b2e03
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27= f37-280334-notoolchain.txz) =3D cbf304f9d9a0c84067c737987677f3df90cefbf0709= 7f281b8324efe2255b415
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27= f37-280334-runtime.txz) =3D 6da8f619bf5b0213352faa566739ff9732750dd5a2ab40b= b0d6830490360fd22
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27= f37-280334-static.txz) =3D 058779ce9a6ad4686f2d7e32116b0ce214952ece751cab0b= 1401cc4e280be0fb
=C2=A0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA4-amd64-container-image-20250927-d2b670b27= f37-280334-toolchain.txz) =3D 95e40850960ddf1de2eb51cfc5b932b3e089c750aeea0= 92e97c79a6d1749b943


o 15.0-ALPHA4 aarch64:
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o 15.0-ALPHA4 riscv64:
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FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[cperciva@tarsnap.com,010001999707f794-fba8a698-d2e8-4a81-83f4-32637e0e1967-000000@amazonses.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tarsnap.com:+,amazonses.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14618, ipnet:54.240.8.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[54.240.8.56:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cbBfB4HrTz3rM6 On 9/29/25 11:54, Johan Hendriks wrote: > I just downloaded the FreeBSD-ALPHA4 memstick.img file. > > I have a custom install script that worked on ALPHA1. > Nut now it does not work anymore. > > I noticed that i missed some files on the memstick image (if i am not mistaken.) > > I do this in my script: > > echo "" > echo "# Install FreeBSD OS. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID b4621e8ca8e400208b58514902e47fea; Mon, 29 Sep 2025 20:01:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: main 16 and 15.0-ALPHA4: using a USB3 context gets extensive "flswai" STATE time during poudriere builds (UFS context happens to be in use); more Message-Id: <46E0F6E8-A365-4C01-BFF8-CE2423B6DA00@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2025 13:01:10 -0700 To: FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) References: <46E0F6E8-A365-4C01-BFF8-CE2423B6DA00.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.996]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.69.31:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.69.31:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cbBsR3qd0z3tK5 An example is during the cpdup activities when multiple happen in overlappingtime frames: . . . 29502 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4832Ki biowr 2 0:00 = 0.06% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 01 29479 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4836Ki biord 7 0:01 = 0.75% cpdup -i0 -o ref 32 29467 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4824Ki getblk 26 0:01 = 0.63% cpdup -i0 -o ref 31 29429 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 4768Ki flswai 23 0:01 = 0.61% cpdup -i0 -o ref 30 29414 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4780Ki flswai 28 0:01 = 0.70% cpdup -i0 -o ref 29 29396 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4948Ki wait 9 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o 29382 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4876Ki flswai 15 0:01 = 0.95% cpdup -i0 -o ref 28 29353 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4948Ki wait 7 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o 29326 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4804Ki biord 5 0:01 = 0.44% cpdup -i0 -o ref 27 29308 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4816Ki biord 2 0:01 = 0.77% cpdup -i0 -o ref 26 29307 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4948Ki wait 5 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o 29273 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4944Ki wait 4 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o 29262 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4768Ki flswai 20 0:01 = 0.76% cpdup -i0 -o ref 25 29233 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4784Ki flswai 3 0:01 = 0.71% cpdup -i0 -o ref 24 29232 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4944Ki wait 6 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o . . . It took over 6 minutes for the 32 builders to finish. (Normal is under 2 seconds.) Also, later activity gets extensive "rename" STATE time, again, at least some of it during cpdup activity: . . . 80055 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4968Ki wait 31 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][06]: build_pkg = (boost-jam-1.88.0) (sh) 78347 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4624Ki rename 0 0:00 = 1.05% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 31 78331 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 18 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][31]: build_pkg = (lua53-5.3.6_1) (sh) 77930 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4636Ki rename 29 0:00 = 1.02% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 30 77912 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 25 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][30]: build_pkg = (libsunacl-1.0.1_1) (sh) 75398 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4628Ki rename 2 0:00 = 0.99% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 16 75335 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 20 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][16]: build_pkg = (iwmbt-firmware-20250410) (sh) 75324 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4628Ki rename 24 0:00 = 1.04% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 19 75308 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 24 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][19]: build_pkg (lua54-5.4.8) = (sh) 74963 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4624Ki rename 4 0:00 = 1.05% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 32 74922 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 26 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][32]: build_pkg (lzo2-2.10_1) = (sh) 72722 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4776Ki rename 1 0:00 = 1.28% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 15 72647 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 26 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][15]: build_pkg = (indexinfo-0.3.1_1) (sh) 71967 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4856Ki rename 30 0:00 = 1.48% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 25 71917 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 1 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][25]: build_pkg = (mpg123-1.33.2) (sh) 71629 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4828Ki rename 31 0:00 = 1.61% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f=20 . . . But I'll also see such on c compiles, ld commands, etc. I've not seen rename for pkg-static but I have seen flswai for it. The system spends lots of time 95%+ idle from the wait activities. I see such directly booted from the USB3 media (a 15.0-ALPHA4 context on UFS media) and when using that media via chroot from both ZFS and UFS boots that are not USB based. The ZFS and UFS boots do not show the behavior with the normal non-USB3 media used instead. The system in use is an AMD 7950X3D with 32 FreeBSD cpus, 192 GiBytes of RAM. main 16 booting for non-USB boots and 15.0-ALPHA4 boots for the USB3 boots. kernel and world are via official pkgbase distribution installs: it is not a personal build of the kernel or world. More rename and flswai examples: . . . 39320 183 nobody 59 0 171676Ki 160576Ki rename 29 0:00 = 2.17% cc -D_BLD_DLL -fPIC -D_BLD_ast -Os -Wno-unused-value = -Wno-parentheses -Wno-logical-op-parentheses -fno-strict-aliasing -I 62772 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3372Ki wait 25 0:00 = 0.04% mamake -C lib/libast install 12602 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3072Ki wait 17 0:00 = 0.00% mamake -r */* install 12600 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3076Ki wait 22 0:00 = 0.00% mamake install 12596 183 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2688Ki piperd 10 0:00 = 0.01% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh/work/ksh-1.0.10/arch/freebsd15.i386-64/lib/p= ackage/gen/make.out 8980 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3732Ki wait 6 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make 8977 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3436Ki wait 3 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makelMk4B8 8929 183 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3872Ki wait 4 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh build 39327 179 nobody 59 0 105680Ki 93264Ki biowr 2 0:00 = 0.61% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 = --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o test /usr/lib/crt 39325 179 nobody 59 0 165928Ki 155088Ki wait 17 0:00 = 1.00% /usr/bin/cc -o test ../test.o 39294 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3448Ki wait 10 0:00 = 0.01% sh = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/C/make/probe /usr/bin/cc PREROOT=3D'' UNIVER 39293 179 nobody 59 0 15264Ki 3704Ki piperd 19 0:00 = 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/probe C make /usr/bin/cc 39291 179 nobody 59 0 16344Ki 4960Ki wait 10 0:00 = 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e --ignorelock --keepgoing --errorid=3Dlib/libast 39290 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 12 0:00 = 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 39258 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3452Ki piperd 0 0:00 = 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 37014 179 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2692Ki piperd 30 0:00 = 0.00% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/pack= age/gen/make.out 37013 179 nobody 0 0 16728Ki 5320Ki select 14 0:00 = 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e -k -K recurse believe nmake 32949 179 nobody 13 0 14744Ki 4136Ki wait 31 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make ksh93 32948 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 19 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makeW36tmB 32940 179 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3892Ki wait 21 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh93 build 32453 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5020Ki rename 22 0:03 = 0.47% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 26 32420 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5024Ki rename 13 0:03 = 0.50% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 11 32358 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5068Ki rename 26 0:03 = 0.53% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 20 32333 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 11 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][26]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-numactl-libs-2.0.12_1) (sh) 32313 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 9 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][20]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-libaio-0.3.109) (sh) 32301 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 19 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][11]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-dosfstools-3.0.20) (sh) 13808 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4984Ki rename 4 0:03 = 0.57% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 19 12316 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5072Ki biowr 27 0:03 = 0.56% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 13 12283 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5068Ki rename 5 0:03 = 0.53% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 01 12277 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5068Ki rename 28 0:03 = 0.54% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 14 12096 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 27 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-def . . . . . . 39927 183 nobody 59 0 171676Ki 160396Ki flswai 13 0:00 = 2.03% cc -D_BLD_DLL -fPIC -D_BLD_ast -Os -Wno-unused-value = -Wno-parentheses -Wno-logical-op-parentheses -fno-strict-aliasing -I 62772 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3400Ki wait 3 0:00 = 0.06% mamake -C lib/libast install 12602 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3072Ki wait 17 0:00 = 0.00% mamake -r */* install 12600 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3076Ki wait 22 0:00 = 0.00% mamake install 12596 183 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2688Ki piperd 28 0:00 = 0.01% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh/work/ksh-1.0.10/arch/freebsd15.i386-64/lib/p= ackage/gen/make.out 8980 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3732Ki wait 6 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make 8977 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3436Ki wait 3 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makelMk4B8 8929 183 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3872Ki wait 4 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh build 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki flswai 20 0:00 = 0.60% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 = --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o dynamic.exe /usr/ 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 0 0:00 = 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 = --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o dynamic.exe /usr/ 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 13 0:00 = 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 = --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o dynamic.exe /usr/ 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 16 0:00 = 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 = --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o dynamic.exe /usr/ 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 27 0:00 = 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 = --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o dynamic.exe /usr/ 39923 179 nobody 59 0 165928Ki 155092Ki wait 0 0:00 = 1.00% /usr/bin/cc -o dynamic.exe -dynamic dynamic.o 39294 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3464Ki wait 9 0:00 = 0.02% sh = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/C/make/probe /usr/bin/cc PREROOT=3D'' UNIVER 39293 179 nobody 59 0 15264Ki 3704Ki piperd 19 0:00 = 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/probe C make /usr/bin/cc 39291 179 nobody 59 0 16344Ki 4960Ki wait 10 0:00 = 0.00% = 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ref 28 98096 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 31 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][28]: build_pkg (gdbm-1.26) = (sh) 97694 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 4844Ki flswai 7 0:01 = 2.51% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 27 97665 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 0 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][27]: build_pkg = (sudo-1.9.17p2) (sh) 96108 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4800Ki flswai 29 0:01 = 3.06% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 19 96091 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 31 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][19]: build_pkg = (libgpg-error-1.55) (sh) 93884 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5064Ki flswai 19 0:01 = 2.43% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 26 93857 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 16 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][26]: build_pkg = (libxml2-2.14.5) (sh) 93271 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5224Ki flswai 5 0:01 = 2.38% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 12 93212 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 11 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][12]: build_pkg = (lame-3.100_5) (sh) 88119 0 root 0 0 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 706b7d4cd7713ba26eee480abbb77020; Mon, 29 Sep 2025 23:06:14 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: main 16 and 15.0-ALPHA4 [on amd64]: using a USB3 context gets extensive "flswai" STATE time during poudriere builds (UFS context happens to be in use); more Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2025 16:06:03 -0700 References: <46E0F6E8-A365-4C01-BFF8-CE2423B6DA00@yahoo.com> To: FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List In-Reply-To: <46E0F6E8-A365-4C01-BFF8-CE2423B6DA00@yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4D74D446-2078-4A5F-B245-913273E2DDD1@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.80 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.80)[-0.797]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.83:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.83:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cbGyh0txWz3Gbc On Sep 29, 2025, at 13:01, Mark Millard wrote: > An example is during the cpdup activities when multiple happen > in overlappingtime frames: I'll note that I see this on the amd64 32-FreeBSD-cpu system but not on the aarch64 8-FreeBSD-cpu Windows Dev Kit 2023 system. May be at some point I'll try the older 16-FreeBSD-cpu aarch64 (Cortex-A72) system. Also, on the 7950X3D amd74 system, I see the behavior with 14.3-Stable. Apparently, this is not new with 15+. It has been a long time since I'd tried using an amd64 system for such activity based on using USB3 media. But it has been common for me for aarch64 over that time frame. > . . . > 29502 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4832Ki biowr 2 0:00 = 0.06% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 01 > 29479 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4836Ki biord 7 0:01 = 0.75% cpdup -i0 -o ref 32 > 29467 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4824Ki getblk 26 0:01 = 0.63% cpdup -i0 -o ref 31 > 29429 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 4768Ki flswai 23 0:01 = 0.61% cpdup -i0 -o ref 30 > 29414 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4780Ki flswai 28 0:01 = 0.70% cpdup -i0 -o ref 29 > 29396 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4948Ki wait 9 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o > 29382 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4876Ki flswai 15 0:01 = 0.95% cpdup -i0 -o ref 28 > 29353 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4948Ki wait 7 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o > 29326 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4804Ki biord 5 0:01 = 0.44% cpdup -i0 -o ref 27 > 29308 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4816Ki biord 2 0:01 = 0.77% cpdup -i0 -o ref 26 > 29307 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4948Ki wait 5 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o > 29273 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4944Ki wait 4 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o > 29262 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4768Ki flswai 20 0:01 = 0.76% cpdup -i0 -o ref 25 > 29233 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4784Ki flswai 3 0:01 = 0.71% cpdup -i0 -o ref 24 > 29232 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4944Ki wait 6 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o > . . . >=20 > It took over 6 minutes for the 32 builders to finish. (Normal is > under 2 seconds.) >=20 >=20 > Also, later activity gets extensive "rename" STATE time, again, at = least > some of it during cpdup activity: >=20 > . . . > 80055 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4968Ki wait 31 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][06]: build_pkg = (boost-jam-1.88.0) (sh) > 78347 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4624Ki rename 0 0:00 = 1.05% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 31 > 78331 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 18 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][31]: build_pkg = (lua53-5.3.6_1) (sh) > 77930 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4636Ki rename 29 0:00 = 1.02% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 30 > 77912 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 25 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][30]: build_pkg = (libsunacl-1.0.1_1) (sh) > 75398 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4628Ki rename 2 0:00 = 0.99% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 16 > 75335 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 20 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][16]: build_pkg = (iwmbt-firmware-20250410) (sh) > 75324 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4628Ki rename 24 0:00 = 1.04% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 19 > 75308 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 24 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][19]: build_pkg = (lua54-5.4.8) (sh) > 74963 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4624Ki rename 4 0:00 = 1.05% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 32 > 74922 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 26 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][32]: build_pkg = (lzo2-2.10_1) (sh) > 72722 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4776Ki rename 1 0:00 = 1.28% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 15 > 72647 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 26 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][15]: build_pkg = (indexinfo-0.3.1_1) (sh) > 71967 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4856Ki rename 30 0:00 = 1.48% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 25 > 71917 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 1 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][25]: build_pkg = (mpg123-1.33.2) (sh) > 71629 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4828Ki rename 31 0:00 = 1.61% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f=20 > . . . >=20 > But I'll also see such on c compiles, ld commands, etc. I've > not seen rename for pkg-static but I have seen flswai for it. >=20 > The system spends lots of time 95%+ idle from the wait > activities. >=20 > I see such directly booted from the USB3 media (a 15.0-ALPHA4 > context on UFS media) and when using that media via chroot > from both ZFS and UFS boots that are not USB based. The ZFS > and UFS boots do not show the behavior with the normal > non-USB3 media used instead. >=20 > The system in use is an AMD 7950X3D with 32 FreeBSD cpus, > 192 GiBytes of RAM. main 16 booting for non-USB boots > and 15.0-ALPHA4 boots for the USB3 boots. kernel and > world are via official pkgbase distribution installs: > it is not a personal build of the kernel or world. >=20 >=20 > More rename and flswai examples: >=20 > . . . > 39320 183 nobody 59 0 171676Ki 160576Ki rename 29 0:00 = 2.17% cc -D_BLD_DLL -fPIC -D_BLD_ast -Os -Wno-unused-value = -Wno-parentheses -Wno-logical-op-parentheses -fno-strict-aliasing -I > 62772 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3372Ki wait 25 0:00 = 0.04% mamake -C lib/libast install > 12602 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3072Ki wait 17 0:00 = 0.00% mamake -r */* install > 12600 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3076Ki wait 22 0:00 = 0.00% mamake install > 12596 183 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2688Ki piperd 10 0:00 = 0.01% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh/work/ksh-1.0.10/arch/freebsd15.i386-64/lib/p= ackage/gen/make.out > 8980 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3732Ki wait 6 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make > 8977 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3436Ki wait 3 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makelMk4B8 > 8929 183 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3872Ki wait 4 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh build > 39327 179 nobody 59 0 105680Ki 93264Ki biowr 2 0:00 = 0.61% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 = --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o test /usr/lib/crt > 39325 179 nobody 59 0 165928Ki 155088Ki wait 17 0:00 = 1.00% /usr/bin/cc -o test ../test.o > 39294 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3448Ki wait 10 0:00 = 0.01% sh = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/C/make/probe /usr/bin/cc PREROOT=3D'' UNIVER > 39293 179 nobody 59 0 15264Ki 3704Ki piperd 19 0:00 = 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/probe C make /usr/bin/cc > 39291 179 nobody 59 0 16344Ki 4960Ki wait 10 0:00 = 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e --ignorelock --keepgoing --errorid=3Dlib/libast > 39290 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 12 0:00 = 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 > 39258 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3452Ki piperd 0 0:00 = 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 > 37014 179 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2692Ki piperd 30 0:00 = 0.00% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/pack= age/gen/make.out > 37013 179 nobody 0 0 16728Ki 5320Ki select 14 0:00 = 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e -k -K recurse believe nmake > 32949 179 nobody 13 0 14744Ki 4136Ki wait 31 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make ksh93 > 32948 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 19 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makeW36tmB > 32940 179 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3892Ki wait 21 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh93 build > 32453 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5020Ki rename 22 0:03 = 0.47% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 26 > 32420 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5024Ki rename 13 0:03 = 0.50% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 11 > 32358 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5068Ki rename 26 0:03 = 0.53% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 20 > 32333 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 11 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][26]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-numactl-libs-2.0.12_1) (sh) > 32313 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 9 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][20]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-libaio-0.3.109) (sh) > 32301 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 19 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][11]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-dosfstools-3.0.20) (sh) > 13808 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4984Ki rename 4 0:03 = 0.57% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 19 > 12316 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5072Ki biowr 27 0:03 = 0.56% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 13 > 12283 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5068Ki rename 5 0:03 = 0.53% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 01 > 12277 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5068Ki rename 28 0:03 = 0.54% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 14 > 12096 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 27 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-def > . . . >=20 >=20 > . . . > 39927 183 nobody 59 0 171676Ki 160396Ki flswai 13 0:00 = 2.03% cc -D_BLD_DLL -fPIC -D_BLD_ast -Os -Wno-unused-value = -Wno-parentheses -Wno-logical-op-parentheses -fno-strict-aliasing -I > 62772 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3400Ki wait 3 0:00 = 0.06% mamake -C lib/libast install > 12602 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3072Ki wait 17 0:00 = 0.00% mamake -r */* install > 12600 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3076Ki wait 22 0:00 = 0.00% mamake install > 12596 183 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2688Ki piperd 28 0:00 = 0.01% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh/work/ksh-1.0.10/arch/freebsd15.i386-64/lib/p= ackage/gen/make.out > 8980 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3732Ki wait 6 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make > 8977 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3436Ki wait 3 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makelMk4B8 > 8929 183 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3872Ki wait 4 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh build > 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki flswai 20 0:00 = 0.60% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 = --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o dynamic.exe /usr/ > 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 0 0:00 = 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 = --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o dynamic.exe /usr/ > 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 13 0:00 = 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 = --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o dynamic.exe /usr/ > 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 16 0:00 = 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 = --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o dynamic.exe /usr/ > 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 27 0:00 = 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 = --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o dynamic.exe /usr/ > 39923 179 nobody 59 0 165928Ki 155092Ki wait 0 0:00 = 1.00% /usr/bin/cc -o dynamic.exe -dynamic dynamic.o > 39294 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3464Ki wait 9 0:00 = 0.02% sh = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/C/make/probe /usr/bin/cc PREROOT=3D'' UNIVER > 39293 179 nobody 59 0 15264Ki 3704Ki piperd 19 0:00 = 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/probe C make /usr/bin/cc > 39291 179 nobody 59 0 16344Ki 4960Ki wait 10 0:00 = 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e --ignorelock --keepgoing --errorid=3Dlib/libast > 39290 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 12 0:00 = 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 > 39258 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3452Ki piperd 0 0:00 = 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 > 37014 179 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2692Ki piperd 30 0:00 = 0.00% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/pack= age/gen/make.out > 37013 179 nobody 0 0 16728Ki 5320Ki select 14 0:00 = 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e -k -K recurse believe nmake > 32949 179 nobody 13 0 14744Ki 4136Ki wait 31 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make ksh93 > 32948 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 19 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makeW36tmB > 32940 179 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3892Ki wait 21 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh93 build > 32453 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5020Ki flswai 17 0:03 = 2.82% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 26 > 32420 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 5024Ki flswai 25 0:03 = 2.81% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 11 > 32358 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 5068Ki flswai 14 0:03 = 2.79% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 20 > 32333 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 11 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][26]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-numactl-libs-2.0.12_1) (sh) > 32313 0 root 59 0 16872Ki > . . . >=20 >=20 > . . . > 53486 185 root 0 0 66428Ki 34196Ki getblk 25 0:01 = 0.26% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg > 53485 185 root 59 0 23308Ki 12024Ki wait 0 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg > 53446 185 root 59 0 14744Ki 3504Ki wait 11 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh > 53445 185 root 59 0 14284Ki 3828Ki wait 1 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/textproc/p5-YAML-Tiny build-depends > 96359 183 root 0 0 66428Ki 34196Ki flswai 31 0:00 = 1.43% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg > 96358 183 root 59 0 23308Ki 12020Ki wait 29 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg > 96331 183 root 59 0 14744Ki 3504Ki wait 5 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh > 96330 183 root 59 0 14284Ki 3860Ki wait 27 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2 patch-depends > 9658 170 nobody 59 0 14224Ki 2852Ki flswai 3 0:00 = 0.02% install -m 0644 ./libcdio.info = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/sysutils/libcdio/work/stage/usr/local/share/info > 9652 170 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3420Ki wait 2 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh -c srcdirstrip=3D`echo "." | sed 's|.|.|g'`; = \\\nlist=3D'./libcdio.info'; test -n "/usr/local/share/info" || list=3D; = \ > 9643 170 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3420Ki wait 8 0:00 = 0.03% /bin/sh -c srcdirstrip=3D`echo "." | sed 's|.|.|g'`; = \\\nlist=3D'./libcdio.info'; test -n "/usr/local/share/info" || list=3D; = \ > 9642 170 nobody 59 0 14776Ki 3652Ki wait 21 0:00 = 0.04% /usr/local/bin/gmake install-exec-am install-data-am > 9641 170 nobody 59 0 14776Ki 3632Ki wait 3 0:00 = 0.04% /usr/local/bin/gmake install > 9636 170 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3424Ki wait 15 0:00 = 0.03% /bin/sh -c fail=3D; \\\nif (target_option=3Dk; case = ${target_option-} in ?) ;; *) echo "am__make_running_with_option: = interna > 9635 170 nobody 59 0 14776Ki 3708Ki wait 0 0:00 = 0.06% /usr/local/bin/gmake INSTALL_PROGRAM=3D/bin/sh = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/sysutils/libcdio/work/libcdio-2.2.0/install-sh -c -s = inst > 9634 170 nobody 59 0 14776Ki 3680Ki wait 29 0:00 = 0.08% /usr/local/bin/gmake -f Makefile = DESTDIR=3D/wrkdirs/usr/ports/sysutils/libcdio/work/stage install-strip > 9633 170 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3428Ki wait 13 0:00 = 0.02% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makeOENiKj > 9611 170 nobody 59 0 16848Ki 3876Ki wait 21 0:00 = 0.22% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/sysutils/libcdio stage > 51574 158 root 0 0 74620Ki 34184Ki flswai 20 0:01 = 0.28% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg > 51573 158 root 59 0 23308Ki 12020Ki wait 20 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg > 51547 158 root 59 0 14744Ki 3512Ki wait 18 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh > 51545 158 root 59 0 14284Ki 3852Ki wait 27 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/textproc/hyphen build-depends > 56591 157 root 0 0 66428Ki 34184Ki getblk 17 0:01 = 0.25% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg > 56590 157 root 59 0 23308Ki 12024Ki wait 12 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg > 56528 157 root 59 0 14744Ki 3504Ki wait 28 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh > 56469 157 root 59 0 14284Ki 3832Ki wait 4 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/converters/p5-MIME-Base32 = build-depends > 56593 155 root 0 0 66428Ki 34188Ki getblk 8 0:01 = 0.26% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg > 56592 155 root 59 0 23308Ki 12024Ki wait 4 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg > 56559 155 root 59 0 14744Ki 3508Ki wait 18 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh > 56532 155 root 59 0 14284Ki 3828Ki wait 13 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/devel/p5-Parse-Yapp build-depends > 52781 145 root 0 0 74620Ki 34244Ki flswai 12 0:01 = 0.25% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg > 52780 145 root 59 0 23308Ki 12024Ki wait 22 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg > 52753 145 root 59 0 14744Ki 3508Ki wait 24 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh > 52749 145 root 59 0 14284Ki 3824Ki wait 21 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/converters/p5-JSON build-depends > 9610 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4972Ki wait 14 0:00 = 0.01% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][14]: build_pkg = (libcdio-2.2.0) (sh) > 99560 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 4860Ki flswai 15 0:00 = 2.82% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 01 > 99539 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 10 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][01]: build_pkg = (texi2html-5.0_5,1) (sh) > 98112 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 4828Ki flswai 19 0:00 = 3.47% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 28 > 98096 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 31 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][28]: build_pkg (gdbm-1.26) = (sh) > 97694 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 4844Ki flswai 7 0:01 = 2.51% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 27 > 97665 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 0 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][27]: build_pkg = (sudo-1.9.17p2) (sh) > 96108 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4800Ki flswai 29 0:01 = 3.06% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 19 > 96091 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 31 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][19]: build_pkg = (libgpg-error-1.55) (sh) > 93884 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5064Ki flswai 19 0:01 = 2.43% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 26 > 93857 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 16 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][26]: build_pkg = (libxml2-2.14.5) (sh) > 93271 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5224Ki flswai 5 0:01 = 2.38% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 12 > 93212 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 11 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][12]: build_pkg = (lame-3.100_5) (sh) > 88119 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5212Ki flswai 0 0:01 = 2.51% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 32 > 88077 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5176Ki flswai 0 0:01 = 2.38% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 31 > . . . =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Tue Sep 30 08:03:33 2025 X-Original-To: stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org 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Tue, 30 Sep 2025 11:42:55 +0300 (EEST) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2025 11:42:54 +0300 From: Sulev-Madis Silber To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Missing files from ALPHA4 memstick.img User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <010001999707f794-fba8a698-d2e8-4a81-83f4-32637e0e1967-000000@email.amazonses.com> Message-ID: <4FDAF12C-08E7-40BF-8A2D-3FDB3B2C9924@ketas.si.pri.ee> List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.79 / 15.00]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_5(3.00)[d004-fea2-0bff-021e-13e8-8437-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.990]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ketas.si.pri.ee,reject]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ketas.si.pri.ee:s=ketas-si-pri-ee-20240416002854-4096]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:7d0:8437:1300::/56]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[stable@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[stable@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ketas.si.pri.ee:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cbWmB2C7Vz4L8Y On September 30, 2025 11:03:33 AM GMT+03:00, Johan Hendriks wrote: > >On 9/29/25 9:51 PM, Colin Percival wrote: >> On 9/29/25 11:54, Johan Hendriks wrote: >>> I just downloaded the FreeBSD-ALPHA4 memstick=2Eimg file=2E >>>=20 >>> I have a custom install script that worked on ALPHA1=2E >>> Nut now it does not work anymore=2E >>>=20 >>> I noticed that i missed some files on the memstick image (if i am not = mistaken=2E) >>>=20 >>> I do this in my script: >>>=20 >>> echo "" >>> echo "# Install FreeBSD OS=2E (base=2Etxz kernel=2Etxz doc=2Etxz)" >>> echo "# This will take a few minutes=2E" >>> cd /usr/freebsd-dist >>> for file in base=2Etxz kernel=2Etxz doc=2Etxz; >>> do (cat $file | tar --unlink -xpJf - -C ${mount:-/}); done >>>=20 >>> But it seems there are no files in /usr/freebsd-dist anymore, except a= file called MANIFEST >>>=20 >>> Am i missing something? >>=20 >> Yes=2E=C2=A0 With the move to pkgbase, the disc1 and memstick images no= longer >> contain legacy distfiles, only pkgbase repositories=2E >>=20 >> The legacy distfiles will remain on dvd images for the duration of Free= BSD 15 >> for the benefit of users (such as yourself!) with scripts which ingest = them, >> but they will not exist in FreeBSD 16=2E >>=20 >That makes perfectly sense=2E But, (there is always a but=2E=2E=2E) How c= an i install FreeBSD from a script=2E Is there a simple command i can use l= ike pkg install base or something > > >regards, >Johan Hendriks > > yes, you do it like pkg -r "${mount:-/}" install -x '^FreeBSD-set-(base|kernels)-' note that you actually need to figure out what to install and i don't have= image here to look what repo names it had and so on=2E and was it configur= ed if you want to do local or remote pkg installs like this, i hope you verif= y it runs, too, first=2E just like you did with your tar=2E above was examp= le :) i can give more of those if absolutely necessary pkgbase gives you much more direct control, if you for example used to hav= e tar excludes for x before=2E and integrity verification should be easier = too, but you have skipped that i see From nobody Tue Sep 30 15:37:34 2025 X-Original-To: stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cbhyQ37tBz69FDY for ; 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Enforce ordering when installing shared objects: First libsys, then libc, then libthr, and then all the rest of the shared object files. This is a candidate for an Errata Notice since the issue this fixes breaks upgrades. PR: 289769 Reported by: Graham Perrin Reviewed by: kib MFC after: 3 days Sponsored by: https://www.patreon.com/cperciva Differential Revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D52688 Approved by: so Security: FreeBSD-EN-25:18.freebsd-update (cherry picked from commit 7ece602e00e85195fc426a2401c49921cd39735e) (cherry picked from commit e26928669f39c8683aea74040b9e2472e944c43a) usr.sbin/freebsd-update/freebsd-update.sh | 20 +++++++++++++++++++- 1 file changed, 19 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.= From nobody Tue Sep 30 15:37:35 2025 X-Original-To: stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cbhyS1DGsz69FdC for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 15:37:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R12" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cbhyR5DLCz3VfY for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 15:37:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1759246655; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=QD/q7RgFwoQfouWvvImuwl0w1XpKH6w8vKWIY7PYw90=; b=Q8A5WrmqcBSZBvozq7VmKk563R2IhRHcsBI5UOY7SDvVRI3Qmx3HBpuGa0Ksiuqcx5sddn geHWDXSEM7ELjvHbLAnyorjnATHz0thf2HkWGKvy9LqFfQfn/EgslrSJidJ2E5LIYu95cM iJnNTMfhhoOQ/6e1NDJBgIroBP2Z3W/H6uDz9UU80QoD14kgBvyJ1D1TSCOvHVdHPh/14x XiST/1+TnDWIkEJnWHoxWa7KZooFB/6OUSnWo5wqxZnbLJKO/UHOSMbS4RwuUBrCpiCYeZ 4NsFXMfkSCi17GU6wRNCOvurIYRNtfNmPmJqyZresglByadIaU3QdQ+Jzeh7hw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1759246655; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=QD/q7RgFwoQfouWvvImuwl0w1XpKH6w8vKWIY7PYw90=; b=lACFjPT+bRpYpDbgygfhLYwgUkMbm2h463v7PQCXUbX2hib/YjQqNvDGEqc6w3AaGIMooE 2Ol19bJ7Jgm33R4GxKvHuM12RxPf2kEnCOAWblqG3DWlp0elpL9dPYfhbhupshIcJH/trw N3CjKWpCD3dVEA+aFbO3JgwFCuGy1VP2dy6AvCQMIfZ/jAS2SQFrVl/h4tJLmnY+3BBwpy S0AWcLuvsu6zxWI6GabfTmMu4uqqvRSJjuTZT2hlIBfQEA7FiTUKIZfvbtRvPyUlM49ieB /LUNEUoKiLLYcrDaDjiA8+IRjTWt/SHRPAX2rKFrYR33tuL3xtClXL3n7OmSKA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1759246655; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=aN+oxXC6pOqQJK0CvNAQ/RmeUbr/wW9KSiurIj0LHoZD7uehCul/r+/6OLp9AZqIPAk2g4 nJ/UXm9gS6JYwZ3UMqY3uuz3GBcPcM38XAY30fmwtH+YLOui7aH5NhMHl+lHICjbA9MAI/ 2mRFsxgcuBRx1qrqdI9VkWN6cq9jfEv4q9K95GQ0uYmxqeVg1wWGWy2YKVBYd4ekwjh2mf SpekQDOnuImMC69Bv1jasCgvCZDtNJec5wcC2Hk6kOUZ54nkH56XSSyJmQ/aqNj8h1fN81 ONuc9upKVx1Bx5kSoJNr0v1Ff22eXQQxUniuAkUsEv7vcWyLZI9dk0jAdgjt6w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cbhyR4n6pzj9b for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 15:37:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 58UFbZ0G035032 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 15:37:35 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from bugzilla@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 58UFbZ4A035031 for stable@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 15:37:35 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: bugzilla set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 289769] libsys.so.7 not found when upgrading userland with legacy freebsd-update Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2025 15:37:35 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: CC X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Base System X-Bugzilla-Component: bin X-Bugzilla-Version: 14.3-RELEASE X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Many People X-Bugzilla-Who: commit-hook@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: In Progress X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: cperciva@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: mfc-stable14? mfc-stable13? needs_errata? X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D289769 --- Comment #14 from commit-hook@FreeBSD.org --- A commit in branch releng/14.2 references this bug: URL: https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/src/commit/?id=3D3447fea3523b56a235b9f8fe9234893f0= 0795379 commit 3447fea3523b56a235b9f8fe9234893f00795379 Author: Colin Percival AuthorDate: 2025-09-23 06:55:08 +0000 Commit: Gordon Tetlow CommitDate: 2025-09-30 04:58:01 +0000 freebsd-update: Library ordering Upgrading from 14.x to 15.x with freebsd-update broke because libc depends on the new libsys library; freebsd-update installed the new libc before creating libsys, and every step after that failed because all the tools (including gunzip and install) are dynamically linked and need a working libc. Enforce ordering when installing shared objects: First libsys, then libc, then libthr, and then all the rest of the shared object files. This is a candidate for an Errata Notice since the issue this fixes breaks upgrades. PR: 289769 Reported by: Graham Perrin Reviewed by: kib MFC after: 3 days Sponsored by: https://www.patreon.com/cperciva Differential Revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D52688 Approved by: so Security: FreeBSD-EN-25:18.freebsd-update (cherry picked from commit 7ece602e00e85195fc426a2401c49921cd39735e) (cherry picked from commit e26928669f39c8683aea74040b9e2472e944c43a) usr.sbin/freebsd-update/freebsd-update.sh | 20 +++++++++++++++++++- 1 file changed, 19 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.= From nobody Tue Sep 30 15:38:37 2025 X-Original-To: stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cbhzd2ny3z69Fkk for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 15:38:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R12" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cbhzd0DzWz3Y1B for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 15:38:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1759246717; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=WAKAV7SMXKDk0OXOIZqkDZTPIds/WsSqE9fK/QIl8QI=; b=FZhw/PzLWOBXhSBuvoOvQkEBk9b5jJ8I1PR3W6Kj/EksTioynQXh45lB60QkS6fZagITl2 ZwUsNUQ619dDi5t9NfqX8Ytyk0Dm1bwRTR5dgJc+arSO4X55ytmrYzGlWje9FXbDeyTCXi Qdy7V1/uRYvOhCq7QwgHnrbLS5pll3IDSV0AQDALs3KkZ8DC23GxPcJzz4qe59VkrcSkqh DH6duMTE8AtmnllN+ZSeDkDroBcc2yjAsW4xRfvRrdRCgw2hQTq0TTWQS6nNRnm3n+yL80 CIqpjwfczQytvaOFGDo7gvV4MB8tJM1VN44vIr0YfGx69ClduARbR1+JKDWrXQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1759246717; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=WAKAV7SMXKDk0OXOIZqkDZTPIds/WsSqE9fK/QIl8QI=; b=jhBBoh5tk7WuBnenIzaRyc9dXDKKwA2XRkmllH06IWwY+m2kljFxomkjVx7TlKBsCJdBq1 M27bdd/H+r7qKW5boOTTO5D76OiCZb2YXJWxceUEef+qIqvI90XfmtGeiDmxk3Avb9yAip 6z2xH3oAhvztpS416qeY2QRmftZ8lvVv+/MpSVoi2v9pRKI2ZTIozJOSC2by/WN7XfKgWS qE5JbPdvQ9qB5fkzV2o3//o9IB68LUc2Qx1c6TOj+VgH4yuoDyjEogyzbU/wCF0byKontB E/jW7VJpieDffMC/5Amz4at4pQ4B95sYPA/X//2Qytdn+rpu4V40+qwmoQmGUg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1759246717; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=W98tw/58IFVhxtCdW0PYmMQGPmRAmeFpDX60rFJCPu87IKD/OeMN9jygOnJuauYbMKCCDy v4Z8gLgO4Kscm5Vc3aVkn7NAvRFJeeAU9xhYqrMwfroUCa+VqyaiQjhB/Ltuo1RFp4ND5a vxnEtVTsE/iyorWGYvd4Aefl02JMvJpoCyG9RVny5gnh7bRw9LTtSxemAyJ5GiNrRTckyI iLTdNspiYF2T7TwTkOh8pMXkzk4WaGE9kqxNFDxAGGIiU3icC9O6sS+Wh0G83Nx0xGZlX5 WJIdhizgAgxjlA0nlZMTw7n8eZRKKfsjQ0JoSkuvlyT6lSUo6dDzarjJoKzDmQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cbhzc6ckyzjHG for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 15:38:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 58UFca0w035521 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 15:38:36 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from bugzilla@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 58UFcafm035520 for stable@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 15:38:36 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: bugzilla set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 289769] libsys.so.7 not found when upgrading userland with legacy freebsd-update Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2025 15:38:37 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: CC X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Base System X-Bugzilla-Component: bin X-Bugzilla-Version: 14.3-RELEASE X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Many People X-Bugzilla-Who: commit-hook@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: In Progress X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: cperciva@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: mfc-stable14? mfc-stable13? needs_errata? X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D289769 --- Comment #15 from commit-hook@FreeBSD.org --- A commit in branch releng/13.5 references this bug: URL: https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/src/commit/?id=3Dab91dd76ff72707d992cc54d2ebe1e424= 689d9cb commit ab91dd76ff72707d992cc54d2ebe1e424689d9cb Author: Colin Percival AuthorDate: 2025-09-23 06:55:08 +0000 Commit: Gordon Tetlow CommitDate: 2025-09-30 04:58:26 +0000 freebsd-update: Library ordering Upgrading from 14.x to 15.x with freebsd-update broke because libc depends on the new libsys library; freebsd-update installed the new libc before creating libsys, and every step after that failed because all the tools (including gunzip and install) are dynamically linked and need a working libc. Enforce ordering when installing shared objects: First libsys, then libc, then libthr, and then all the rest of the shared object files. This is a candidate for an Errata Notice since the issue this fixes breaks upgrades. PR: 289769 Reported by: Graham Perrin Reviewed by: kib MFC after: 3 days Sponsored by: https://www.patreon.com/cperciva Differential Revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D52688 Approved by: so Security: FreeBSD-EN-25:18.freebsd-update (cherry picked from commit 7ece602e00e85195fc426a2401c49921cd39735e) (cherry picked from commit 87eb52f1b061989a948d3eb08953c81a4e1281f0) usr.sbin/freebsd-update/freebsd-update.sh | 20 +++++++++++++++++++- 1 file changed, 19 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.= From nobody Tue Sep 30 15:44:40 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cbj6k4j3Fz69GCt; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 15:44:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christos@freebsd.org) Received: from margiolis.net (mail.margiolis.net [95.179.159.8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cbj6h53zVz3bSK; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 15:44:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christos@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=margiolis.net header.s=default header.b=T0W41ePB; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=freebsd.org (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 95.179.159.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of christos@freebsd.org) smtp.mailfrom=christos@freebsd.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=default; bh=LVHGN3d1hr9g HP+Cw1F++ur9x2BWiuLZ8snZBVmrb64=; h=to:from:subject:cc:date; d=margiolis.net; b=T0W41ePBjlFt3VqiTVSmjE2h2uonUp347qMIzlBEsyOD5St6BaA O26DPyHtyXvUHV2lUgAfyw1nyTPZfTMh9Yiku39ArO72mppuXsH5LpXEU/hgZ6d9/M60mt TUPEEotmo3rvvMYsRli82kLpLPIr+PwnzM68DEAn2q1LHSVPXk= Received: from localhost (public-gprs552949.centertel.pl [37.225.23.54]) by margiolis.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 6126911c (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Tue, 30 Sep 2025 09:44:41 -0600 (MDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2025 17:44:40 +0200 Message-Id: Cc: , , , , Subject: HEADS-UP: virtual_oss in base From: "Christos Margiolis" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: aerc 0.21.0 X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[margiolis.net:s=default]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[freebsd.org : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed),none]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[margiolis.net:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_HELO_LOCALHOST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all:c]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[christos]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-desktop@freebsd.org,freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org,freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cbj6h53zVz3bSK As of 9cab9fde5eda ("virtual_oss: Port to base") [1], we have virtual_oss in the base system. Quoting from RELNOTES [2] to avoid repeating myself: virtual_oss is imported to base. The audio/virtual_oss port will stop being built from FreeBSD 15.0 onwards. Regarding user-facing changes, the only practical difference is the installation process. Everything is provided by the base system, except for the following optional components, which can be installed from ports: * sndio backend support: audio/virtual_oss_sndio * bluetooth backend support: audio/virtual_oss_bluetooth * virtual_equalizer(8): audio/virtual_oss_equalizer Apart from that, virtual_oss should work as expected. Users of virtual_oss can uninstall audio/virtual_oss and instead use the base system version from now on. The commits for the ports can be found here: [3][4][5]. In the next days I will also MFC virtual_oss to stable/15, so that it ships with 15.0-RELEASE. [1] https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=3D9cab9fde5edad9b409dd2317a2aec= 7815e6d6bed [2] https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=3Dc457acb4ee821cf015930a94f52c3= 870786468a7 [3] https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/?id=3Da9bbba1949a79c419d88e64a280= e56c0cc8131fc [4] https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/?id=3D35215c174c450b6e7dfd2490334= f7887b7c24710 [5] https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/?id=3D2dcc66e8c6c4b92a3278ea874b4= 1e4b81ae441ed From nobody Tue Sep 30 16:07:45 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cbjdM3J9Tz69HPc for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 16:07:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cbjdL3bmJz3fS1; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 16:07:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kalamity.joker.local (124-18-6-240.area1c.commufa.jp [124.18.6.240]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.18.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 58UG7jDP061050; Wed, 1 Oct 2025 01:07:45 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dec.sakura.ne.jp; s=s2405; t=1759248465; bh=ksC0dqg4onl0M+PXJm+me7ok31uUUsSMv5mhT1X6sXU=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=rkoxo7yhgZrXplVsWyx5e63AfJG1WkgfhaJ6KWByw3GjoKqX0srmi20UbzPuzTdYO l5LjbG7YOryB0S6CcXCu2NU1a6h1UEinxX3/L+QSrXtHBIcgsAf6X2H+e72jZvp/hf RXIj+h2ratVKk11bm57GU2hOVe6S23cgE4nptWfM= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2025 01:07:45 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: "Christos Margiolis" Cc: , , , Subject: Re: HEADS-UP: virtual_oss in base Message-Id: <20251001010745.4515c09b83b4ecd7f31c3458@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd15.0) List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cbjdL3bmJz3fS1 Hi. Thanks for your hard work with sound subsystem including virtual_oss. But shouldn't ports commit 9b26d309123abf0e90651298b131783ba7d9b945 reverted or re-targetting to 16 until MFC of base virtual_oss into stable/15 is finished? Yes, we can lock audio/virtual_oss, though, but possibly some people overlook it. Regards. On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 17:44:40 +0200 "Christos Margiolis" wrote: > As of 9cab9fde5eda ("virtual_oss: Port to base") [1], we have > virtual_oss in the base system. Quoting from RELNOTES [2] to avoid > repeating myself: > > virtual_oss is imported to base. The audio/virtual_oss port will > stop being built from FreeBSD 15.0 onwards. > > Regarding user-facing changes, the only practical difference is > the installation process. Everything is provided by the base > system, except for the following optional components, which can > be installed from ports: > > * sndio backend support: audio/virtual_oss_sndio > * bluetooth backend support: audio/virtual_oss_bluetooth > * virtual_equalizer(8): audio/virtual_oss_equalizer > > Apart from that, virtual_oss should work as expected. Users of > virtual_oss can uninstall audio/virtual_oss and instead use the > base system version from now on. > > The commits for the ports can be found here: [3][4][5]. In the next days > I will also MFC virtual_oss to stable/15, so that it ships with > 15.0-RELEASE. > > [1] https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=9cab9fde5edad9b409dd2317a2aec7815e6d6bed > [2] https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=c457acb4ee821cf015930a94f52c3870786468a7 > [3] https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/?id=a9bbba1949a79c419d88e64a280e56c0cc8131fc > [4] https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/?id=35215c174c450b6e7dfd2490334f7887b7c24710 > [5] https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/?id=2dcc66e8c6c4b92a3278ea874b41e4b81ae441ed -- Tomoaki AOKI From nobody Tue Sep 30 16:25:38 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cbk1y6RJfz69JJQ; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 16:25:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christos@freebsd.org) Received: from margiolis.net (mail.margiolis.net [95.179.159.8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cbk1y0ksBz3kqH; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 16:25:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christos@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=default; bh=F5/wUplLZWw/ D0YRZo4fmWuBS4e4US1rgFpjfUliSKM=; h=in-reply-to:references:subject:cc: to:from:date; d=margiolis.net; b=ENc9X8YGb2NxXxIhLT+6XF/uMc6uNsnlrWJCV dp2ZENnPkPgwk35pkzzdkJIgIE06oNY4Jxkr/9CHmWSMzB2CvTSBJ/rMEBnD68F4kwoIlx kPaaAFHlF0SO6mJsHfGWWznKTpbHo8n5R/qPucCLPecK/55G3XTKXRNjDYpbPbqk= Received: from localhost (public-gprs552949.centertel.pl [37.225.23.54]) by margiolis.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 9b728c86 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Tue, 30 Sep 2025 10:25:40 -0600 (MDT) List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2025 18:25:38 +0200 Message-Id: From: "Christos Margiolis" To: "Tomoaki AOKI" Cc: , , , Subject: Re: HEADS-UP: virtual_oss in base X-Mailer: aerc 0.21.0 References: <20251001010745.4515c09b83b4ecd7f31c3458@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <20251001010745.4515c09b83b4ecd7f31c3458@dec.sakura.ne.jp> X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cbk1y0ksBz3kqH Hello Tomasz, On Tue Sep 30, 2025 at 6:07 PM CEST, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > Hi. > > Thanks for your hard work with sound subsystem including virtual_oss. > > But shouldn't ports commit 9b26d309123abf0e90651298b131783ba7d9b945 > reverted or re-targetting to 16 until MFC of base virtual_oss into > stable/15 is finished? Good point, however I will most likely do the MFC tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, so I do not think this will be a problem. > Yes, we can lock audio/virtual_oss, though, but possibly some people > overlook it. > > Regards. > > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 17:44:40 +0200 > "Christos Margiolis" wrote: > >> As of 9cab9fde5eda ("virtual_oss: Port to base") [1], we have >> virtual_oss in the base system. Quoting from RELNOTES [2] to avoid >> repeating myself: >>=20 >> virtual_oss is imported to base. The audio/virtual_oss port will >> stop being built from FreeBSD 15.0 onwards. >>=20 >> Regarding user-facing changes, the only practical difference is >> the installation process. Everything is provided by the base >> system, except for the following optional components, which can >> be installed from ports: >>=20 >> * sndio backend support: audio/virtual_oss_sndio >> * bluetooth backend support: audio/virtual_oss_bluetooth >> * virtual_equalizer(8): audio/virtual_oss_equalizer >>=20 >> Apart from that, virtual_oss should work as expected. Users of >> virtual_oss can uninstall audio/virtual_oss and instead use the >> base system version from now on. >>=20 >> The commits for the ports can be found here: [3][4][5]. In the next days >> I will also MFC virtual_oss to stable/15, so that it ships with >> 15.0-RELEASE. >>=20 >> [1] https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=3D9cab9fde5edad9b409dd2317a2= aec7815e6d6bed >> [2] https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=3Dc457acb4ee821cf015930a94f5= 2c3870786468a7 >> [3] https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/?id=3Da9bbba1949a79c419d88e64a= 280e56c0cc8131fc >> [4] https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/?id=3D35215c174c450b6e7dfd2490= 334f7887b7c24710 >> [5] https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/?id=3D2dcc66e8c6c4b92a3278ea87= 4b41e4b81ae441ed Christos From nobody Tue Sep 30 19:37:53 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cbpJ53x8cz699SF for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2025 19:38:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick.macklem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x534.google.com (mail-ed1-x534.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::534]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cbpJ44Mx2z3Z7X for ; 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NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::534:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cbpJ44Mx2z3Z7X On Sun, Sep 28, 2025 at 7:59=E2=80=AFAM Warner Losh wrote: > > > > On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 4:47=E2=80=AFAM Graham Perrin wrote: >> >> Follow-up to >> >> Good news. >> >> 2048 MB is sufficient with root-on-ZFS for an ordinary installation >> (more than base, less than all of FreeBSD-base) of 15.0-ALPHA4 >> plus these five non-base packages, some of which are meta: >> >> kde plasma6-sddm-kcm sddm virtualbox-guest-additions xorg >> >> Beyond initial installations: with 4 G swap enabled, I repeatedly >> tested forced reinstallation of all packages, >> >> pkg upgrade -fUy >> >> 1077 packages, 1886 steps. Success. >> >> ---- >> >> With swap disabled, which I would not recommend: >> >> - reinstallation failed, switch from ttyv1 to ttyv2 was >> impossible, and so on, so I attempted a shut down >> >> >> - shut down failed >> >> - following a forced stop of the computer, SDDM and the >> desktop environment were unsable (pkg issue 2441, >> second incident this morning). > > > It's big enough to install.. but i have lxte + terminal + firefox with 4 = tabs open and I routinely run out of memory and swap heavily. I have a 4GB = Chromebook. Just a wild guess, but I suspect ZFS might be eating your memory. You could try something like setting: vfs.zfs.arc.max to half of your ram and see what happens? You probably don't want to do this, but it would be interesting to see what happens if you use UFS. (Personally, I'd never use ZFS for a root fs, but that's just me.) rick > > So one can run in 128MB for light tasks and careful kernel tuning, 512MB = is a more realistic minimum since it lets you install and update. 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FWIW my understanding is that ZFS root is such a memory hog that anything under 16GB is disrecommended and 32GB preferable. (I have only one machine that fits that constraint, and FreeBSD doesn't quite work on it yet.) On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 3:38=E2=80=AFPM Rick Macklem wrote: > On Sun, Sep 28, 2025 at 7:59=E2=80=AFAM Warner Losh wrot= e: > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 4:47=E2=80=AFAM Graham Perrin > wrote: > >> > >> Follow-up to < > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D287719#c6> > >> > >> Good news. > >> > >> 2048 MB is sufficient with root-on-ZFS for an ordinary installation > >> (more than base, less than all of FreeBSD-base) of 15.0-ALPHA4 > >> plus these five non-base packages, some of which are meta: > >> > >> kde plasma6-sddm-kcm sddm virtualbox-guest-additions xorg > >> > >> Beyond initial installations: with 4 G swap enabled, I repeatedly > >> tested forced reinstallation of all packages, > >> > >> pkg upgrade -fUy > >> > >> 1077 packages, 1886 steps. Success. > >> > >> ---- > >> > >> With swap disabled, which I would not recommend: > >> > >> - reinstallation failed, switch from ttyv1 to ttyv2 was > >> impossible, and so on, so I attempted a shut down > >> > >> > >> - shut down failed > >> > >> - following a forced stop of the computer, SDDM and the > >> desktop environment were unsable (pkg issue 2441, > >> second incident this morning). > > > > > > It's big enough to install.. but i have lxte + terminal + firefox with = 4 > tabs open and I routinely run out of memory and swap heavily. I have a 4G= B > Chromebook. > Just a wild guess, but I suspect ZFS might be eating your memory. > You could try something like setting: > vfs.zfs.arc.max to half of your ram and see what happens? > > You probably don't want to do this, but it would be interesting to > see what happens if you use UFS. > (Personally, I'd never use ZFS for a root fs, but that's just me.) > > rick > > > > > So one can run in 128MB for light tasks and careful kernel tuning, 512M= B > is a more realistic minimum since it lets you install and update. But for= X > it's flipped: you need 2G to install but closer to 4G or 8G to run a > complete, but on the lean side, X11 system. > > > > Warner > >> > >> > > --=20 brandon s allbery kf8nh allbery.b@gmail.com --00000000000010ef2a064009f1f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FWIW my understanding is that ZFS root is such=C2=A0a memo= ry hog that anything under 16GB is disrecommended and 32GB preferable. (I h= ave only one machine=C2=A0that fits that constraint, and FreeBSD doesn'= t quite work on it yet.)

On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 3:38= =E2=80=AFPM Rick Macklem <rick= .macklem@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 28, 2025 at 7:59=E2=80=AFAM Warner Losh <<= a href=3D"mailto:imp@bsdimp.com" target=3D"_blank">imp@bsdimp.com> w= rote:
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 4:47=E2=80=AFAM Graham Perrin <grahamperrin@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
>>
>> Follow-up to <https://bugs.= freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D287719#c6>
>>
>> Good news.
>>
>> 2048 MB is sufficient with root-on-ZFS for an ordinary installatio= n
>> (more than base, less than all of FreeBSD-base) of 15.0-ALPHA4
>> plus these five non-base packages, some of which are meta:
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 kde plasma6-sddm-kcm sddm virtualbox-guest-add= itions xorg
>>
>> Beyond initial installations: with 4 G swap enabled, I repeatedly<= br> >> tested forced reinstallation of all packages,
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 pkg upgrade -fUy
>>
>> 1077 packages, 1886 steps. Success.
>>
>> ----
>>
>> With swap disabled, which I would not recommend:
>>
>> - reinstallation failed, switch from ttyv1 to ttyv2 was
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 impossible, and so on, so I attempted a shut down
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <https://i.imgur.com/RftLGMu.png> >>
>> - shut down failed
>>
>> - following a forced stop of the computer, SDDM and the
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 desktop environment were unsable (pkg issue 2441,
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 second incident this morning).
>
>
> It's big enough to install.. but i have lxte + terminal + firefox = with 4 tabs open and I routinely run out of memory and swap heavily. I have= a 4GB Chromebook.
Just a wild guess, but I suspect ZFS might be eating your memory.
You could try something like setting:
vfs.zfs.arc.max to half of your ram and see what happens?

You probably don't want to do this, but it would be interesting to
see what happens if you use UFS.
(Personally, I'd never use ZFS for a root fs, but that's just me.)<= br>
rick

>
> So one can run in 128MB for light tasks and careful kernel tuning, 512= MB is a more realistic minimum since it lets you install and update. But fo= r X it's flipped: you need 2G to install but closer to 4G or 8G to run = a complete, but on the lean side, X11 system.
>
> Warner
>>
>>



--
brandon s allbery kf8= nh
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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 1:38=E2=80=AFPM Rick Macklem wrote: > On Sun, Sep 28, 2025 at 7:59=E2=80=AFAM Warner Losh wrot= e: > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 4:47=E2=80=AFAM Graham Perrin > wrote: > >> > >> Follow-up to < > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D287719#c6> > >> > >> Good news. > >> > >> 2048 MB is sufficient with root-on-ZFS for an ordinary installation > >> (more than base, less than all of FreeBSD-base) of 15.0-ALPHA4 > >> plus these five non-base packages, some of which are meta: > >> > >> kde plasma6-sddm-kcm sddm virtualbox-guest-additions xorg > >> > >> Beyond initial installations: with 4 G swap enabled, I repeatedly > >> tested forced reinstallation of all packages, > >> > >> pkg upgrade -fUy > >> > >> 1077 packages, 1886 steps. Success. > >> > >> ---- > >> > >> With swap disabled, which I would not recommend: > >> > >> - reinstallation failed, switch from ttyv1 to ttyv2 was > >> impossible, and so on, so I attempted a shut down > >> > >> > >> - shut down failed > >> > >> - following a forced stop of the computer, SDDM and the > >> desktop environment were unsable (pkg issue 2441, > >> second incident this morning). > > > > > > It's big enough to install.. but i have lxte + terminal + firefox with = 4 > tabs open and I routinely run out of memory and swap heavily. I have a 4G= B > Chromebook. > Just a wild guess, but I suspect ZFS might be eating your memory. > You could try something like setting: > vfs.zfs.arc.max to half of your ram and see what happens? > No, it's firefox. The arc usage is sane. firefox with lots of tabs eats memory. It's that simple. > You probably don't want to do this, but it would be interesting to > see what happens if you use UFS. > (Personally, I'd never use ZFS for a root fs, but that's just me.) > Yea, not going to happen. BEs are too useful. Warner > rick > > > > > So one can run in 128MB for light tasks and careful kernel tuning, 512M= B > is a more realistic minimum since it lets you install and update. But for= X > it's flipped: you need 2G to install but closer to 4G or 8G to run a > complete, but on the lean side, X11 system. > > > > Warner > >> > >> > --00000000000089022406400a0cc6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Sep 30,= 2025 at 1:38=E2=80=AFPM Rick Macklem <rick.macklem@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 28, 2025 at 7:59=E2=80=AFAM Wa= rner Losh <imp@bsdim= p.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 4:47=E2=80=AFAM Graham Perrin <grahamperrin@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
>>
>> Follow-up to <https://bugs.= freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D287719#c6>
>>
>> Good news.
>>
>> 2048 MB is sufficient with root-on-ZFS for an ordinary installatio= n
>> (more than base, less than all of FreeBSD-base) of 15.0-ALPHA4
>> plus these five non-base packages, some of which are meta:
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 kde plasma6-sddm-kcm sddm virtualbox-guest-add= itions xorg
>>
>> Beyond initial installations: with 4 G swap enabled, I repeatedly<= br> >> tested forced reinstallation of all packages,
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 pkg upgrade -fUy
>>
>> 1077 packages, 1886 steps. Success.
>>
>> ----
>>
>> With swap disabled, which I would not recommend:
>>
>> - reinstallation failed, switch from ttyv1 to ttyv2 was
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 impossible, and so on, so I attempted a shut down
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <https://i.imgur.com/RftLGMu.png> >>
>> - shut down failed
>>
>> - following a forced stop of the computer, SDDM and the
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 desktop environment were unsable (pkg issue 2441,
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 second incident this morning).
>
>
> It's big enough to install.. but i have lxte + terminal + firefox = with 4 tabs open and I routinely run out of memory and swap heavily. I have= a 4GB Chromebook.
Just a wild guess, but I suspect ZFS might be eating your memory.
You could try something like setting:
vfs.zfs.arc.max to half of your ram and see what happens?
<= div>
No, it's firefox. The arc usage is sane. firefox wit= h lots of tabs eats memory. It's that simple.
=C2=A0
You probably don't want to do this, but it would be interesting to
see what happens if you use UFS.
(Personally, I'd never use ZFS for a root fs, but that's just me.)<= br>

Yea, not going to happen. BEs are too u= seful.

Warner
=C2=A0
rick

>
> So one can run in 128MB for light tasks and careful kernel tuning, 512= MB is a more realistic minimum since it lets you install and update. But fo= r X it's flipped: you need 2G to install but closer to 4G or 8G to run = a complete, but on the lean side, X11 system.
>
> Warner
>>
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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yea, I've not seen that to be the case. ZFS isn't that big of a memory hog these days... There are times you do need to tune the arc, but they are the exception, not the rule. Warner On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 1:41=E2=80=AFPM Brandon Allbery wrote: > FWIW my understanding is that ZFS root is such a memory hog that anything > under 16GB is disrecommended and 32GB preferable. (I have only one > machine that fits that constraint, and FreeBSD doesn't quite work on it > yet.) > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 3:38=E2=80=AFPM Rick Macklem > wrote: > >> On Sun, Sep 28, 2025 at 7:59=E2=80=AFAM Warner Losh wro= te: >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 4:47=E2=80=AFAM Graham Perrin >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Follow-up to < >> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D287719#c6> >> >> >> >> Good news. >> >> >> >> 2048 MB is sufficient with root-on-ZFS for an ordinary installation >> >> (more than base, less than all of FreeBSD-base) of 15.0-ALPHA4 >> >> plus these five non-base packages, some of which are meta: >> >> >> >> kde plasma6-sddm-kcm sddm virtualbox-guest-additions xorg >> >> >> >> Beyond initial installations: with 4 G swap enabled, I repeatedly >> >> tested forced reinstallation of all packages, >> >> >> >> pkg upgrade -fUy >> >> >> >> 1077 packages, 1886 steps. Success. >> >> >> >> ---- >> >> >> >> With swap disabled, which I would not recommend: >> >> >> >> - reinstallation failed, switch from ttyv1 to ttyv2 was >> >> impossible, and so on, so I attempted a shut down >> >> >> >> >> >> - shut down failed >> >> >> >> - following a forced stop of the computer, SDDM and the >> >> desktop environment were unsable (pkg issue 2441, >> >> second incident this morning). >> > >> > >> > It's big enough to install.. but i have lxte + terminal + firefox with >> 4 tabs open and I routinely run out of memory and swap heavily. I have a >> 4GB Chromebook. >> Just a wild guess, but I suspect ZFS might be eating your memory. >> You could try something like setting: >> vfs.zfs.arc.max to half of your ram and see what happens? >> >> You probably don't want to do this, but it would be interesting to >> see what happens if you use UFS. >> (Personally, I'd never use ZFS for a root fs, but that's just me.) >> >> rick >> >> > >> > So one can run in 128MB for light tasks and careful kernel tuning, >> 512MB is a more realistic minimum since it lets you install and update. = But >> for X it's flipped: you need 2G to install but closer to 4G or 8G to run= a >> complete, but on the lean side, X11 system. >> > >> > Warner >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > brandon s allbery kf8nh > allbery.b@gmail.com > --00000000000099016c06400a0fd5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yea, I've not seen that to be the case. ZFS isn&#= 39;t that big of a memory hog these days... There are times you do need to = tune the arc, but they are the exception, not the rule.

Warner

On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 1:41=E2=80=AFPM B= randon Allbery <allbery.b@gmail.c= om> wrote:
FWIW my understanding is that ZFS root is such=C2=A0a me= mory hog that anything under 16GB is disrecommended and 32GB preferable. (I= have only one machine=C2=A0that fits that constraint, and FreeBSD doesn= 9;t quite work on it yet.)

On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 3:38=E2=80=AFPM Rick Mack= lem <rick.ma= cklem@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 28, 2025 at 7:59=E2=80=AFAM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrot= e:
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 4:47=E2=80=AFAM Graham Perrin <grahamperrin@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
>>
>> Follow-up to <https://bugs.= freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D287719#c6>
>>
>> Good news.
>>
>> 2048 MB is sufficient with root-on-ZFS for an ordinary installatio= n
>> (more than base, less than all of FreeBSD-base) of 15.0-ALPHA4
>> plus these five non-base packages, some of which are meta:
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 kde plasma6-sddm-kcm sddm virtualbox-guest-add= itions xorg
>>
>> Beyond initial installations: with 4 G swap enabled, I repeatedly<= br> >> tested forced reinstallation of all packages,
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 pkg upgrade -fUy
>>
>> 1077 packages, 1886 steps. Success.
>>
>> ----
>>
>> With swap disabled, which I would not recommend:
>>
>> - reinstallation failed, switch from ttyv1 to ttyv2 was
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 impossible, and so on, so I attempted a shut down
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <https://i.imgur.com/RftLGMu.png> >>
>> - shut down failed
>>
>> - following a forced stop of the computer, SDDM and the
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 desktop environment were unsable (pkg issue 2441,
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 second incident this morning).
>
>
> It's big enough to install.. but i have lxte + terminal + firefox = with 4 tabs open and I routinely run out of memory and swap heavily. I have= a 4GB Chromebook.
Just a wild guess, but I suspect ZFS might be eating your memory.
You could try something like setting:
vfs.zfs.arc.max to half of your ram and see what happens?

You probably don't want to do this, but it would be interesting to
see what happens if you use UFS.
(Personally, I'd never use ZFS for a root fs, but that's just me.)<= br>
rick

>
> So one can run in 128MB for light tasks and careful kernel tuning, 512= MB is a more realistic minimum since it lets you install and update. But fo= r X it's flipped: you need 2G to install but closer to 4G or 8G to run = a complete, but on the lean side, X11 system.
>
> Warner
>>
>>



--
brandon s allbery kf8= nh
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ZFS isn't that big of a memory ho= g these days... There are times you do need to tune the arc, but they are t= he exception, not the rule. Unfortunately, using ZFS as an NFS server seems to be an exception. Peter Errikson still uses 13.5 on his servers, since he doesn't find 14.n stable enough. There is this email thread: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable/2025-September/003126.htm= l I'd like to see this resolved, but I don't know enough about VM or ZFS's arc code and I have miniscule hardware, so I cannot replicate it. Btw, what is a BE? rick > > Warner > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 1:41=E2=80=AFPM Brandon Allbery wrote: >> >> FWIW my understanding is that ZFS root is such a memory hog that anythin= g under 16GB is disrecommended and 32GB preferable. (I have only one machin= e that fits that constraint, and FreeBSD doesn't quite work on it yet.) >> >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 3:38=E2=80=AFPM Rick Macklem wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2025 at 7:59=E2=80=AFAM Warner Losh wr= ote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 4:47=E2=80=AFAM Graham Perrin wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Follow-up to >>> >> >>> >> Good news. >>> >> >>> >> 2048 MB is sufficient with root-on-ZFS for an ordinary installation >>> >> (more than base, less than all of FreeBSD-base) of 15.0-ALPHA4 >>> >> plus these five non-base packages, some of which are meta: >>> >> >>> >> kde plasma6-sddm-kcm sddm virtualbox-guest-additions xorg >>> >> >>> >> Beyond initial installations: with 4 G swap enabled, I repeatedly >>> >> tested forced reinstallation of all packages, >>> >> >>> >> pkg upgrade -fUy >>> >> >>> >> 1077 packages, 1886 steps. Success. >>> >> >>> >> ---- >>> >> >>> >> With swap disabled, which I would not recommend: >>> >> >>> >> - reinstallation failed, switch from ttyv1 to ttyv2 was >>> >> impossible, and so on, so I attempted a shut down >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> - shut down failed >>> >> >>> >> - following a forced stop of the computer, SDDM and the >>> >> desktop environment were unsable (pkg issue 2441, >>> >> second incident this morning). >>> > >>> > >>> > It's big enough to install.. but i have lxte + terminal + firefox wit= h 4 tabs open and I routinely run out of memory and swap heavily. I have a = 4GB Chromebook. >>> Just a wild guess, but I suspect ZFS might be eating your memory. >>> You could try something like setting: >>> vfs.zfs.arc.max to half of your ram and see what happens? >>> >>> You probably don't want to do this, but it would be interesting to >>> see what happens if you use UFS. >>> (Personally, I'd never use ZFS for a root fs, but that's just me.) >>> >>> rick >>> >>> > >>> > So one can run in 128MB for light tasks and careful kernel tuning, 51= 2MB is a more realistic minimum since it lets you install and update. 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 2:03=E2=80=AFPM Rick Macklem wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 12:50=E2=80=AFPM Warner Losh wro= te: > > > > Yea, I've not seen that to be the case. ZFS isn't that big of a memory > hog these days... There are times you do need to tune the arc, but they a= re > the exception, not the rule. > Unfortunately, using ZFS as an NFS server seems to be an exception. > Peter Errikson still uses 13.5 on his servers, since he doesn't find 14.n > stable enough. > There is this email thread: > > https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable/2025-September/003126.h= tml OK. Since I no longer do NFS, I've not hit that.... > > I'd like to see this resolved, but I don't know enough about VM or > ZFS's arc code > and I have miniscule hardware, so I cannot replicate it. > > Btw, what is a BE? > BE is a boot environment. It's basically a way to switch between different versions of the system quickly and easily, as well as offline update the system so you don't shoot yourself in the foot by removing libc.so... Great for both development and deployment. Worth paying the small extra memory tax I do see with ZFS. Warner > rick > > > > > Warner > > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 1:41=E2=80=AFPM Brandon Allbery > wrote: > >> > >> FWIW my understanding is that ZFS root is such a memory hog that > anything under 16GB is disrecommended and 32GB preferable. (I have only o= ne > machine that fits that constraint, and FreeBSD doesn't quite work on it > yet.) > >> > >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 3:38=E2=80=AFPM Rick Macklem > wrote: > >>> > >>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2025 at 7:59=E2=80=AFAM Warner Losh = wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 4:47=E2=80=AFAM Graham Perrin > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> Follow-up to < > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D287719#c6> > >>> >> > >>> >> Good news. > >>> >> > >>> >> 2048 MB is sufficient with root-on-ZFS for an ordinary installatio= n > >>> >> (more than base, less than all of FreeBSD-base) of 15.0-ALPHA4 > >>> >> plus these five non-base packages, some of which are meta: > >>> >> > >>> >> kde plasma6-sddm-kcm sddm virtualbox-guest-additions xorg > >>> >> > >>> >> Beyond initial installations: with 4 G swap enabled, I repeatedly > >>> >> tested forced reinstallation of all packages, > >>> >> > >>> >> pkg upgrade -fUy > >>> >> > >>> >> 1077 packages, 1886 steps. Success. > >>> >> > >>> >> ---- > >>> >> > >>> >> With swap disabled, which I would not recommend: > >>> >> > >>> >> - reinstallation failed, switch from ttyv1 to ttyv2 was > >>> >> impossible, and so on, so I attempted a shut down > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> - shut down failed > >>> >> > >>> >> - following a forced stop of the computer, SDDM and the > >>> >> desktop environment were unsable (pkg issue 2441, > >>> >> second incident this morning). > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > It's big enough to install.. but i have lxte + terminal + firefox > with 4 tabs open and I routinely run out of memory and swap heavily. I ha= ve > a 4GB Chromebook. > >>> Just a wild guess, but I suspect ZFS might be eating your memory. > >>> You could try something like setting: > >>> vfs.zfs.arc.max to half of your ram and see what happens? > >>> > >>> You probably don't want to do this, but it would be interesting to > >>> see what happens if you use UFS. > >>> (Personally, I'd never use ZFS for a root fs, but that's just me.) > >>> > >>> rick > >>> > >>> > > >>> > So one can run in 128MB for light tasks and careful kernel tuning, > 512MB is a more realistic minimum since it lets you install and update. B= ut > for X it's flipped: you need 2G to install but closer to 4G or 8G to run = a > complete, but on the lean side, X11 system. > >>> > > >>> > Warner > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> brandon s allbery kf8nh > >> allbery.b@gmail.com > --0000000000008986a306400a7300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Sep 30,= 2025 at 2:03=E2=80=AFPM Rick Macklem <rick.macklem@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 12:50=E2=80=AFPM W= arner Losh <imp@bsdi= mp.com> wrote:
>
> Yea, I've not seen that to be the case. ZFS isn't that big of = a memory hog these days... There are times you do need to tune the arc, but= they are the exception, not the rule.
Unfortunately, using ZFS as an NFS server seems to be an exception.
Peter Errikson still uses 13.5 on his servers, since he doesn't find 14= .n
stable enough.
There is this email thread:
https://lists.freebsd.or= g/archives/freebsd-stable/2025-September/003126.html
<= br>
OK. Since I no longer do NFS, I've not hit that....
=
=C2=A0

I'd like to see this resolved, but I don't know enough about VM or<= br> ZFS's arc code
and I have miniscule hardware, so I cannot replicate it.

Btw, what is a BE?

BE is a boot environ= ment. It's basically a way to switch between different versions of the = system quickly and easily, as well as offline update the system so you don&= #39;t shoot yourself in the foot by removing libc.so... Great for both deve= lopment and deployment. Worth paying the small extra memory tax I do see wi= th ZFS.

Warner
=C2=A0
rick

>
> Warner
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 1:41=E2=80=AFPM Brandon Allbery <allbery.b@gmail.com> = wrote:
>>
>> FWIW my understanding is that ZFS root is such a memory hog that a= nything under 16GB is disrecommended and 32GB preferable. (I have only one = machine that fits that constraint, and FreeBSD doesn't quite work on it= yet.)
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 3:38=E2=80=AFPM Rick Macklem <rick.macklem@gmail.com= > wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2025 at 7:59=E2=80=AFAM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:=
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 4:47=E2=80=AFAM Graham Perrin <<= a href=3D"mailto:grahamperrin@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">grahamperrin@gma= il.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Follow-up to <= https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D287719#c6>
>>> >>
>>> >> Good news.
>>> >>
>>> >> 2048 MB is sufficient with root-on-ZFS for an ordinar= y installation
>>> >> (more than base, less than all of FreeBSD-base) of 15= .0-ALPHA4
>>> >> plus these five non-base packages, some of which are = meta:
>>> >>
>>> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 kde plasma6-sddm-kcm sddm virtual= box-guest-additions xorg
>>> >>
>>> >> Beyond initial installations: with 4 G swap enabled, = I repeatedly
>>> >> tested forced reinstallation of all packages,
>>> >>
>>> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 pkg upgrade -fUy
>>> >>
>>> >> 1077 packages, 1886 steps. Success.
>>> >>
>>> >> ----
>>> >>
>>> >> With swap disabled, which I would not recommend:
>>> >>
>>> >> - reinstallation failed, switch from ttyv1 to ttyv2 w= as
>>> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 impossible, and so on, so I attempted a = shut down
>>> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <https://i.imgur.com/RftLGMu.pn= g>
>>> >>
>>> >> - shut down failed
>>> >>
>>> >> - following a forced stop of the computer, SDDM and t= he
>>> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 desktop environment were unsable (pkg is= sue 2441,
>>> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 second incident this morning).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > It's big enough to install.. but i have lxte + termin= al + firefox with 4 tabs open and I routinely run out of memory and swap he= avily. I have a 4GB Chromebook.
>>> Just a wild guess, but I suspect ZFS might be eating your memo= ry.
>>> You could try something like setting:
>>> vfs.zfs.arc.max to half of your ram and see what happens?
>>>
>>> You probably don't want to do this, but it would be intere= sting to
>>> see what happens if you use UFS.
>>> (Personally, I'd never use ZFS for a root fs, but that'= ;s just me.)
>>>
>>> rick
>>>
>>> >
>>> > So one can run in 128MB for light tasks and careful kerne= l tuning, 512MB is a more realistic minimum since it lets you install and u= pdate. But for X it's flipped: you need 2G to install but closer to 4G = or 8G to run a complete, but on the lean side, X11 system.
>>> >
>>> > Warner
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> brandon s allbery kf8nh
>> allbery.b= @gmail.com
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On 9/30/2025 16:03, Rick Macklem wrote= :
.... 
Btw, what is a BE?

BE =3D "Boot Environment."

Give command, snapshots where you are under a new name.

Make whatever changes to said system.

If you like them, that's fine.=C2=A0 Eventually (when fully satisf= ied) destroy the old one.

If not you can revert right back to where you were with one command and a reboot.

It is NOT a small consideration (if you properly partition things vis-a-vis user and system stuff) when contemplating some sort of change or upgrade to the system.

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Karl Denninger
karl@denninger.net
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FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20250927203411.E6790B633@freefall.freebsd.org> <714becfe-6772-4761-857e-d32700666e0b@gmail.com> <8c3cb94b-c1b5-45d2-9ac7-1502c4e6409c@gmail.com> <580e3d70-9969-4895-b641-b4343f675084@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Rick Macklem Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2025 14:58:05 -0700 X-Gm-Features: AS18NWBG3xPch3HmHwmr9VKCgJ4FzDWWwKAeB61b67-KnxkzCfNeEBFeijunEtA Message-ID: Subject: Re: bsdinstall: system requirements: memory/RAM: ZFS: 2048 MB for an ordinary installation plus a desktop environment To: Warner Losh Cc: Brandon Allbery , Graham Perrin , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cbsPn1LqDz401L On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 1:18=E2=80=AFPM Warner Losh wrote: > > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 2:03=E2=80=AFPM Rick Macklem wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 12:50=E2=80=AFPM Warner Losh wr= ote: >> > >> > Yea, I've not seen that to be the case. ZFS isn't that big of a memory= hog these days... There are times you do need to tune the arc, but they ar= e the exception, not the rule. >> Unfortunately, using ZFS as an NFS server seems to be an exception. >> Peter Errikson still uses 13.5 on his servers, since he doesn't find 14.= n >> stable enough. >> There is this email thread: >> https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable/2025-September/003126.= html > > > OK. Since I no longer do NFS, I've not hit that.... I didn't figure you had hit it. I was hoping that you (or someone else reading this) might know someone willing to tackle the problem? rick > >> >> >> I'd like to see this resolved, but I don't know enough about VM or >> ZFS's arc code >> and I have miniscule hardware, so I cannot replicate it. >> >> Btw, what is a BE? > > > BE is a boot environment. It's basically a way to switch between differen= t versions of the system quickly and easily, as well as offline update the = system so you don't shoot yourself in the foot by removing libc.so... Great= for both development and deployment. Worth paying the small extra memory t= ax I do see with ZFS. > > Warner > >> >> rick >> >> > >> > Warner >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 1:41=E2=80=AFPM Brandon Allbery wrote: >> >> >> >> FWIW my understanding is that ZFS root is such a memory hog that anyt= hing under 16GB is disrecommended and 32GB preferable. (I have only one mac= hine that fits that constraint, and FreeBSD doesn't quite work on it yet.) >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 3:38=E2=80=AFPM Rick Macklem wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2025 at 7:59=E2=80=AFAM Warner Losh = wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 4:47=E2=80=AFAM Graham Perrin wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Follow-up to >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Good news. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> 2048 MB is sufficient with root-on-ZFS for an ordinary installati= on >> >>> >> (more than base, less than all of FreeBSD-base) of 15.0-ALPHA4 >> >>> >> plus these five non-base packages, some of which are meta: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> kde plasma6-sddm-kcm sddm virtualbox-guest-additions xorg >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Beyond initial installations: with 4 G swap enabled, I repeatedly >> >>> >> tested forced reinstallation of all packages, >> >>> >> >> >>> >> pkg upgrade -fUy >> >>> >> >> >>> >> 1077 packages, 1886 steps. Success. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> ---- >> >>> >> >> >>> >> With swap disabled, which I would not recommend: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> - reinstallation failed, switch from ttyv1 to ttyv2 was >> >>> >> impossible, and so on, so I attempted a shut down >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> - shut down failed >> >>> >> >> >>> >> - following a forced stop of the computer, SDDM and the >> >>> >> desktop environment were unsable (pkg issue 2441, >> >>> >> second incident this morning). >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > It's big enough to install.. but i have lxte + terminal + firefox = with 4 tabs open and I routinely run out of memory and swap heavily. I have= a 4GB Chromebook. >> >>> Just a wild guess, but I suspect ZFS might be eating your memory. >> >>> You could try something like setting: >> >>> vfs.zfs.arc.max to half of your ram and see what happens? >> >>> >> >>> You probably don't want to do this, but it would be interesting to >> >>> see what happens if you use UFS. >> >>> (Personally, I'd never use ZFS for a root fs, but that's just me.) >> >>> >> >>> rick >> >>> >> >>> > >> >>> > So one can run in 128MB for light tasks and careful kernel tuning,= 512MB is a more realistic minimum since it lets you install and update. Bu= t for X it's flipped: you need 2G to install but closer to 4G or 8G to run = a complete, but on the lean side, X11 system. >> >>> > >> >>> > Warner >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> brandon s allbery kf8nh >> >> allbery.b@gmail.com From nobody Wed Oct 1 01:05:44 2025 X-Original-To: stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cbxbx1H0Tz69hy0 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2025 01:07:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable-freebsd-org730@ketas.si.pri.ee) Received: from mail.ketas.si.pri.ee (d004-fea2-0bff-021e-13e8-8437-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee [IPv6:2001:7d0:8437:13e8:21e:bff:fea2:d004]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cbxbv35VZz4NB8 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2025 01:07:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable-freebsd-org730@ketas.si.pri.ee) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; 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HFILTER_HOSTNAME_5(3.00)[d004-fea2-0bff-021e-13e8-8437-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee]; SUBJ_EXCESS_QP(1.20)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ketas.si.pri.ee,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ketas.si.pri.ee:s=ketas-si-pri-ee-20240416002854-4096]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:7d0:8437:1300::/56]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[stable@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[stable@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ketas.si.pri.ee:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cbxbv35VZz4NB8 On October 1, 2025 12:58:05 AM GMT+03:00, Rick Macklem wrote: >On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 1:18=E2=80=AFPM Warner Losh wr= ote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 2:03=E2=80=AFPM Rick Macklem wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 12:50=E2=80=AFPM Warner Losh wrote: >>> > >>> > Yea, I've not seen that to be the case=2E ZFS isn't that big of a me= mory hog these days=2E=2E=2E There are times you do need to tune the arc, b= ut they are the exception, not the rule=2E >>> Unfortunately, using ZFS as an NFS server seems to be an exception=2E >>> Peter Errikson still uses 13=2E5 on his servers, since he doesn't find= 14=2En >>> stable enough=2E >>> There is this email thread: >>> https://lists=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/archives/freebsd-stable/2025-September/0= 03126=2Ehtml >> >> >> OK=2E Since I no longer do NFS, I've not hit that=2E=2E=2E=2E >I didn't figure you had hit it=2E >I was hoping that you (or someone else reading this) might >know someone willing to tackle the problem? > >rick > >> >>> >>> >>> I'd like to see this resolved, but I don't know enough about VM or >>> ZFS's arc code >>> and I have miniscule hardware, so I cannot replicate it=2E >>> i've hit it=2E or at that's at least i assume (=3D makes ass out of u and = me) i'm also 13=2E5=2E i'm 4g ram=2E but he can do it in >=3D128g same thing=2E arc is low, wired high, kernel kills procs=2E caused by appe= rant mmap, now scrub that thing has one 4t single disk pool and two 2-disk mirrors, 160g and 12= t i tried to choke git and dovecot and it worked=2E can't limit scrub i've battled it for years!!! btw, i've ran zfs in 512m in 2015=2E worked=2E buildworld=2E scrub=2E 40g = pool 1 disk=2E why 512m is because i had 1g and i skipped memtest86+ which = didn't boot from usb and later i found, when booting off actual cd or dos o= r whatever i used then to find out that one 512m module is bust that all worked until hdd/mobo/psu/=2E=2E=2E went balls up=2E hdd corrupte= d data in fs (i assumed ram), later apparently failed, mobo had caps visibl= y bulged and even bust (wasn't there)=2E so i'm in no way unknown to runnin= g low resc hw zfs=2E or stupidly bad hw maybe=2E but it somehow worked bett= er than now=2E how can it be? but zfs has gotten better now=2E i had c2q, rw was 40mb/s=2E now rw on zfs= is proper >=3D200mb/s on c2d things have improved but i wish i could have fix to this cursed wired full= problem btw, if you think that low ram and cpu is a throwaway second hand hw only,= then no=2E nowadays you have embedded systems like that=2E and they could = benefit from checksums, compression or copies=3D3 (wild guess to "fix" futu= re flash block failures) the zfs brings yeah, i bet sun's engineers are rolling in their beds and graves, "zfs run= s where?!", "they crastrated it!!!" but there's a reason why that's such a good fs design that noone has repli= cated yet=2E at least together with volume manager=2E which i think is righ= t idea=2E fs should have direct control to devices because only fs knows wh= ere the actual data is but how to fix memory issues i have no idea=2E i've tried asking everywher= e=2E i don't think this is low ram either=2E it's a memory utilization, not= amount, issue=2E you can run out of 2t too i'm sure From nobody Wed Oct 1 03:43:43 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cc14h29kbz69wsd for ; 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I make no claim it has anything to do with the flswai activity reported. The possible bottleneck is an observation, not something that I claim there is any alternative to. I do not know if this is of any interest or not.] On Sep 29, 2025, at 16:06, Mark Millard wrote: > On Sep 29, 2025, at 13:01, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> An example is during the cpdup activities when multiple happen >> in overlappingtime frames: >=20 > I'll note that I see this on the amd64 32-FreeBSD-cpu system > but not on the aarch64 8-FreeBSD-cpu Windows Dev Kit 2023 > system. May be at some point I'll try the older 16-FreeBSD-cpu > aarch64 (Cortex-A72) system. >=20 > Also, on the 7950X3D amd74 system, I see the behavior with > 14.3-Stable. Apparently, this is not new with 15+. It has > been a long time since I'd tried using an amd64 system for > such activity based on using USB3 media. But it has been > common for me for aarch64 over that time frame. >=20 >> . . . >> 29502 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4832Ki biowr 2 0:00 = 0.06% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 01 >> 29479 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4836Ki biord 7 0:01 = 0.75% cpdup -i0 -o ref 32 >> 29467 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4824Ki getblk 26 0:01 = 0.63% cpdup -i0 -o ref 31 >> 29429 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 4768Ki flswai 23 0:01 = 0.61% cpdup -i0 -o ref 30 >> 29414 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4780Ki flswai 28 0:01 = 0.70% cpdup -i0 -o ref 29 >> 29396 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4948Ki wait 9 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >> 29382 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4876Ki flswai 15 0:01 = 0.95% cpdup -i0 -o ref 28 >> 29353 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4948Ki wait 7 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >> 29326 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4804Ki biord 5 0:01 = 0.44% cpdup -i0 -o ref 27 >> 29308 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4816Ki biord 2 0:01 = 0.77% cpdup -i0 -o ref 26 >> 29307 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4948Ki wait 5 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >> 29273 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4944Ki wait 4 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >> 29262 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4768Ki flswai 20 0:01 = 0.76% cpdup -i0 -o ref 25 >> 29233 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4784Ki flswai 3 0:01 = 0.71% cpdup -i0 -o ref 24 >> 29232 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4944Ki wait 6 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >> . . . >>=20 >> It took over 6 minutes for the 32 builders to finish. (Normal is >> under 2 seconds.) >>=20 >>=20 >> Also, later activity gets extensive "rename" STATE time, again, at = least >> some of it during cpdup activity: Looks like the "rename" state is new (and I've only seen in for 15+): /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_mount.c has as the source of the name used for the "rname" STATE: static int mount_init(void *mem, int size, int flags) { struct mount *mp; =20 mp =3D (struct mount *)mem; mtx_init(&mp->mnt_mtx, "struct mount mtx", NULL, MTX_DEF); mtx_init(&mp->mnt_listmtx, "struct mount vlist mtx", NULL, = MTX_DEF); lockinit(&mp->mnt_explock, PVFS, "explock", 0, 0); lockinit(&mp->mnt_renamelock, PVFS, "rename", 0, 0); mp->mnt_pcpu =3D uma_zalloc_pcpu(pcpu_zone_16, M_WAITOK | = M_ZERO); mp->mnt_ref =3D 0; mp->mnt_vfs_ops =3D 1; mp->mnt_rootvnode =3D NULL; return (0); } author Konstantin Belousov 2025-06-02 07:05:06 +0000 committer Konstantin Belousov 2025-07-04 15:23:42 = +0000 commit ef6ea91593ebff73e2fc201efd9f848b71c5a125 (patch) tree 5f90f06e4b190a3a8fe9b5f3a016b69415d62a6d /sys/kern/vfs_mount.c parent f9cf745a5084dc0a38733db8e774252e4ed2f444 (diff) VOP_RENAME: add mp-global lock It is before all vnode locks, but after vn_start_write(). The lock prevents parallel rename operations on the same mount point, which should in (near future) simplify a lot of code in VFS/fs that otherwise need to code with either the changing hierarchy, or with the lock order for vnodes due to changed hierarchy. On renames, the lock is taken on the lowest stacked filesystem. Otherwise rename could still occur in parallel, by performing one of op on the lower fs. Proposed by: mjg (long time ago) Reviewed by: markj, olce Tested by: pho Sponsored by: The FreeBSD Foundation MFC after: 1 week Differential revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D50648 . . . The context here is not renaming activity, so my guess here is that the following may be in use in a wider range of contexts. /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_lookup.c has: static void nameicap_cleanup(struct nameidata *ndp, int error) { struct nameicap_tracker *nt, *nt1; struct mount *mp; KASSERT((ndp->ni_nctrack_mnt =3D=3D NULL && TAILQ_EMPTY(&ndp->ni_cap_tracker)) || (ndp->ni_lcf & NI_LCF_CAP_DOTDOT) !=3D 0, ("tracker active and not strictrelative")); TAILQ_FOREACH_SAFE(nt, &ndp->ni_cap_tracker, nm_link, nt1) { mp =3D nt->mp; lockmgr(&mp->mnt_renamelock, LK_RELEASE, 0); vfs_rel(mp); TAILQ_REMOVE(&ndp->ni_cap_tracker, nt, nm_link); free(nt, M_NAMEITRACKER); } mp =3D ndp->ni_nctrack_mnt; if (mp !=3D NULL) { if (error =3D=3D ERESTART) { lockmgr(&mp->mnt_renamelock, LK_EXCLUSIVE, 0); lockmgr(&mp->mnt_renamelock, LK_RELEASE, 0); } vfs_rel(mp); ndp->ni_nctrack_mnt =3D NULL; } } and it may be the source of the large number "rename" STATE processes that are all waiting on "rename" below, forcing 1 of 32 at a time for cpdup (32 poudriere builders). Later there is an example of cc also waiting on it when there is also cpdup activity waiting on it. >> . . . >> 80055 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4968Ki wait 31 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][06]: build_pkg = (boost-jam-1.88.0) (sh) >> 78347 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4624Ki rename 0 0:00 = 1.05% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 31 >> 78331 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 18 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][31]: build_pkg = (lua53-5.3.6_1) (sh) >> 77930 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4636Ki rename 29 0:00 = 1.02% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 30 >> 77912 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 25 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][30]: build_pkg = (libsunacl-1.0.1_1) (sh) >> 75398 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4628Ki rename 2 0:00 = 0.99% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 16 >> 75335 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 20 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][16]: build_pkg = (iwmbt-firmware-20250410) (sh) >> 75324 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4628Ki rename 24 0:00 = 1.04% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 19 >> 75308 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 24 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][19]: build_pkg = (lua54-5.4.8) (sh) >> 74963 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4624Ki rename 4 0:00 = 1.05% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 32 >> 74922 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 26 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][32]: build_pkg = (lzo2-2.10_1) (sh) >> 72722 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4776Ki rename 1 0:00 = 1.28% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 15 >> 72647 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 26 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][15]: build_pkg = (indexinfo-0.3.1_1) (sh) >> 71967 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4856Ki rename 30 0:00 = 1.48% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 25 >> 71917 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 1 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][25]: build_pkg = (mpg123-1.33.2) (sh) >> 71629 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4828Ki rename 31 0:00 = 1.61% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f=20 >> . . . >>=20 >> But I'll also see such on c compiles, ld commands, etc. I've >> not seen rename for pkg-static but I have seen flswai for it. >>=20 >> The system spends lots of time 95%+ idle from the wait >> activities. >>=20 >> I see such directly booted from the USB3 media (a 15.0-ALPHA4 >> context on UFS media) and when using that media via chroot >> from both ZFS and UFS boots that are not USB based. The ZFS >> and UFS boots do not show the behavior with the normal >> non-USB3 media used instead. >>=20 >> The system in use is an AMD 7950X3D with 32 FreeBSD cpus, >> 192 GiBytes of RAM. main 16 booting for non-USB boots >> and 15.0-ALPHA4 boots for the USB3 boots. kernel and >> world are via official pkgbase distribution installs: >> it is not a personal build of the kernel or world. >>=20 >>=20 >> More rename and flswai examples: >>=20 >> . . . >> 39320 183 nobody 59 0 171676Ki 160576Ki rename 29 0:00 = 2.17% cc -D_BLD_DLL -fPIC -D_BLD_ast -Os -Wno-unused-value = -Wno-parentheses -Wno-logical-op-parentheses -fno-strict-aliasing -I >> 62772 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3372Ki wait 25 0:00 = 0.04% mamake -C lib/libast install >> 12602 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3072Ki wait 17 0:00 = 0.00% mamake -r */* install >> 12600 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3076Ki wait 22 0:00 = 0.00% mamake install >> 12596 183 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2688Ki piperd 10 0:00 = 0.01% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh/work/ksh-1.0.10/arch/freebsd15.i386-64/lib/p= ackage/gen/make.out >> 8980 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3732Ki wait 6 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make >> 8977 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3436Ki wait 3 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makelMk4B8 >> 8929 183 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3872Ki wait 4 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh build >> 39327 179 nobody 59 0 105680Ki 93264Ki biowr 2 0:00 = 0.61% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 = --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o test /usr/lib/crt >> 39325 179 nobody 59 0 165928Ki 155088Ki wait 17 0:00 = 1.00% /usr/bin/cc -o test ../test.o >> 39294 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3448Ki wait 10 0:00 = 0.01% sh = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/C/make/probe /usr/bin/cc PREROOT=3D'' UNIVER >> 39293 179 nobody 59 0 15264Ki 3704Ki piperd 19 0:00 = 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/probe C make /usr/bin/cc >> 39291 179 nobody 59 0 16344Ki 4960Ki wait 10 0:00 = 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e --ignorelock --keepgoing --errorid=3Dlib/libast >> 39290 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 12 0:00 = 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 >> 39258 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3452Ki piperd 0 0:00 = 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 >> 37014 179 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2692Ki piperd 30 0:00 = 0.00% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/pack= age/gen/make.out >> 37013 179 nobody 0 0 16728Ki 5320Ki select 14 0:00 = 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e -k -K recurse believe nmake >> 32949 179 nobody 13 0 14744Ki 4136Ki wait 31 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make ksh93 >> 32948 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 19 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makeW36tmB >> 32940 179 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3892Ki wait 21 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh93 build >> 32453 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5020Ki rename 22 0:03 = 0.47% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 26 >> 32420 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5024Ki rename 13 0:03 = 0.50% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 11 >> 32358 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5068Ki rename 26 0:03 = 0.53% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 20 >> 32333 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 11 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][26]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-numactl-libs-2.0.12_1) (sh) >> 32313 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 9 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][20]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-libaio-0.3.109) (sh) >> 32301 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 19 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][11]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-dosfstools-3.0.20) (sh) >> 13808 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4984Ki rename 4 0:03 = 0.57% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 19 >> 12316 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5072Ki biowr 27 0:03 = 0.56% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 13 >> 12283 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5068Ki rename 5 0:03 = 0.53% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 01 >> 12277 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5068Ki rename 28 0:03 = 0.54% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 14 >> 12096 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 27 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-def >> . . . >>=20 >>=20 >> . . . >> 39927 183 nobody 59 0 171676Ki 160396Ki flswai 13 0:00 = 2.03% cc -D_BLD_DLL -fPIC -D_BLD_ast -Os -Wno-unused-value = -Wno-parentheses -Wno-logical-op-parentheses -fno-strict-aliasing -I >> 62772 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3400Ki wait 3 0:00 = 0.06% mamake -C lib/libast install >> 12602 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3072Ki wait 17 0:00 = 0.00% mamake -r */* install >> 12600 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3076Ki wait 22 0:00 = 0.00% mamake install >> 12596 183 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2688Ki piperd 28 0:00 = 0.01% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh/work/ksh-1.0.10/arch/freebsd15.i386-64/lib/p= ackage/gen/make.out >> 8980 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3732Ki wait 6 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make >> 8977 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3436Ki wait 3 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makelMk4B8 >> 8929 183 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3872Ki wait 4 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh build >> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki flswai 20 0:00 = 0.60% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 = --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o dynamic.exe /usr/ >> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 0 0:00 = 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 = --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o dynamic.exe /usr/ >> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 13 0:00 = 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 = --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o dynamic.exe /usr/ >> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 16 0:00 = 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 = --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o dynamic.exe /usr/ >> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 27 0:00 = 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 = --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o dynamic.exe /usr/ >> 39923 179 nobody 59 0 165928Ki 155092Ki wait 0 0:00 = 1.00% /usr/bin/cc -o dynamic.exe -dynamic dynamic.o >> 39294 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3464Ki wait 9 0:00 = 0.02% sh = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/C/make/probe /usr/bin/cc PREROOT=3D'' UNIVER >> 39293 179 nobody 59 0 15264Ki 3704Ki piperd 19 0:00 = 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/probe C make /usr/bin/cc >> 39291 179 nobody 59 0 16344Ki 4960Ki wait 10 0:00 = 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e --ignorelock --keepgoing --errorid=3Dlib/libast >> 39290 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 12 0:00 = 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 >> 39258 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3452Ki piperd 0 0:00 = 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 >> 37014 179 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2692Ki piperd 30 0:00 = 0.00% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/pack= age/gen/make.out >> 37013 179 nobody 0 0 16728Ki 5320Ki select 14 0:00 = 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e -k -K recurse believe nmake >> 32949 179 nobody 13 0 14744Ki 4136Ki wait 31 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make ksh93 >> 32948 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 19 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makeW36tmB >> 32940 179 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3892Ki wait 21 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh93 build >> 32453 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5020Ki flswai 17 0:03 = 2.82% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 26 >> 32420 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 5024Ki flswai 25 0:03 = 2.81% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 11 >> 32358 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 5068Ki flswai 14 0:03 = 2.79% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 20 >> 32333 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 11 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][26]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-numactl-libs-2.0.12_1) (sh) >> 32313 0 root 59 0 16872Ki >> . . . >>=20 >>=20 >> . . . >> 53486 185 root 0 0 66428Ki 34196Ki getblk 25 0:01 = 0.26% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >> 53485 185 root 59 0 23308Ki 12024Ki wait 0 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >> 53446 185 root 59 0 14744Ki 3504Ki wait 11 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh >> 53445 185 root 59 0 14284Ki 3828Ki wait 1 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/textproc/p5-YAML-Tiny build-depends >> 96359 183 root 0 0 66428Ki 34196Ki flswai 31 0:00 = 1.43% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >> 96358 183 root 59 0 23308Ki 12020Ki wait 29 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >> 96331 183 root 59 0 14744Ki 3504Ki wait 5 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh >> 96330 183 root 59 0 14284Ki 3860Ki wait 27 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2 patch-depends >> 9658 170 nobody 59 0 14224Ki 2852Ki flswai 3 0:00 = 0.02% install -m 0644 ./libcdio.info = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/sysutils/libcdio/work/stage/usr/local/share/info >> 9652 170 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3420Ki wait 2 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh -c srcdirstrip=3D`echo "." | sed 's|.|.|g'`; = \\\nlist=3D'./libcdio.info'; test -n "/usr/local/share/info" || list=3D; = \ >> 9643 170 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3420Ki wait 8 0:00 = 0.03% /bin/sh -c srcdirstrip=3D`echo "." | sed 's|.|.|g'`; = \\\nlist=3D'./libcdio.info'; test -n "/usr/local/share/info" || list=3D; = \ >> 9642 170 nobody 59 0 14776Ki 3652Ki wait 21 0:00 = 0.04% /usr/local/bin/gmake install-exec-am install-data-am >> 9641 170 nobody 59 0 14776Ki 3632Ki wait 3 0:00 = 0.04% /usr/local/bin/gmake install >> 9636 170 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3424Ki wait 15 0:00 = 0.03% /bin/sh -c fail=3D; \\\nif (target_option=3Dk; case = ${target_option-} in ?) ;; *) echo "am__make_running_with_option: = interna >> 9635 170 nobody 59 0 14776Ki 3708Ki wait 0 0:00 = 0.06% /usr/local/bin/gmake INSTALL_PROGRAM=3D/bin/sh = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/sysutils/libcdio/work/libcdio-2.2.0/install-sh -c -s = inst >> 9634 170 nobody 59 0 14776Ki 3680Ki wait 29 0:00 = 0.08% /usr/local/bin/gmake -f Makefile = DESTDIR=3D/wrkdirs/usr/ports/sysutils/libcdio/work/stage install-strip >> 9633 170 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3428Ki wait 13 0:00 = 0.02% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makeOENiKj >> 9611 170 nobody 59 0 16848Ki 3876Ki wait 21 0:00 = 0.22% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/sysutils/libcdio stage >> 51574 158 root 0 0 74620Ki 34184Ki flswai 20 0:01 = 0.28% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >> 51573 158 root 59 0 23308Ki 12020Ki wait 20 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >> 51547 158 root 59 0 14744Ki 3512Ki wait 18 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh >> 51545 158 root 59 0 14284Ki 3852Ki wait 27 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/textproc/hyphen build-depends >> 56591 157 root 0 0 66428Ki 34184Ki getblk 17 0:01 = 0.25% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >> 56590 157 root 59 0 23308Ki 12024Ki wait 12 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >> 56528 157 root 59 0 14744Ki 3504Ki wait 28 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh >> 56469 157 root 59 0 14284Ki 3832Ki wait 4 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/converters/p5-MIME-Base32 = build-depends >> 56593 155 root 0 0 66428Ki 34188Ki getblk 8 0:01 = 0.26% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >> 56592 155 root 59 0 23308Ki 12024Ki wait 4 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >> 56559 155 root 59 0 14744Ki 3508Ki wait 18 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh >> 56532 155 root 59 0 14284Ki 3828Ki wait 13 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/devel/p5-Parse-Yapp build-depends >> 52781 145 root 0 0 74620Ki 34244Ki flswai 12 0:01 = 0.25% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >> 52780 145 root 59 0 23308Ki 12024Ki wait 22 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >> 52753 145 root 59 0 14744Ki 3508Ki wait 24 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh >> 52749 145 root 59 0 14284Ki 3824Ki wait 21 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/converters/p5-JSON build-depends >> 9610 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4972Ki wait 14 0:00 = 0.01% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][14]: build_pkg = (libcdio-2.2.0) (sh) >> 99560 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 4860Ki flswai 15 0:00 = 2.82% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 01 >> 99539 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 10 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][01]: build_pkg = (texi2html-5.0_5,1) (sh) >> 98112 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 4828Ki flswai 19 0:00 = 3.47% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 28 >> 98096 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 31 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][28]: build_pkg (gdbm-1.26) = (sh) >> 97694 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 4844Ki flswai 7 0:01 = 2.51% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 27 >> 97665 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 0 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][27]: build_pkg = (sudo-1.9.17p2) (sh) >> 96108 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4800Ki flswai 29 0:01 = 3.06% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 19 >> 96091 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 31 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][19]: build_pkg = (libgpg-error-1.55) (sh) >> 93884 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5064Ki flswai 19 0:01 = 2.43% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 26 >> 93857 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 16 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][26]: build_pkg = (libxml2-2.14.5) (sh) >> 93271 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5224Ki flswai 5 0:01 = 2.38% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 12 >> 93212 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 11 0:00 = 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][12]: build_pkg = (lame-3.100_5) (sh) >> 88119 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5212Ki flswai 0 0:01 = 2.51% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 32 >> 88077 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5176Ki flswai 0 0:01 = 2.38% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 31 >> . . . >=20 >=20 =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Wed Oct 1 05:05:04 2025 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I make no claim it has anything to > do with the flswai activity reported. The possible > bottleneck is an observation, not something that I claim > there is any alternative to. I do not know if this is of any > interest or not.] >=20 > On Sep 29, 2025, at 16:06, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> On Sep 29, 2025, at 13:01, Mark Millard wrote: >>=20 >>> An example is during the cpdup activities when multiple happen >>> in overlappingtime frames: >>=20 >> I'll note that I see this on the amd64 32-FreeBSD-cpu system >> but not on the aarch64 8-FreeBSD-cpu Windows Dev Kit 2023 >> system. May be at some point I'll try the older 16-FreeBSD-cpu >> aarch64 (Cortex-A72) system. >>=20 >> Also, on the 7950X3D amd74 system, I see the behavior with >> 14.3-Stable. Apparently, this is not new with 15+. It has >> been a long time since I'd tried using an amd64 system for >> such activity based on using USB3 media. But it has been >> common for me for aarch64 over that time frame. previous to modern: @@ -2659,8 +2659,7 @@ bwillwrite(void) mtx_lock(&bdirtylock); while (buf_dirty_count_severe()) { bdirtywait =3D 1; - msleep(&bdirtywait, &bdirtylock, (PRIBIO + 4), - "flswai", 0); + msleep(&bdirtywait, &bdirtylock, PVFS, "flswai", = 0); } mtx_unlock(&bdirtylock); where in modern code: /usr/src/sys/sys/priority.h:#define PRIBIO = (PRI_MIN_KERN + 3) and: /usr/src/sys/sys/priority.h:#define PVFS = (PRI_MIN_KERN + 4) Presuming slpflags =3D=3D 0 (see later reference code) as an example context: previous vs. now for . . . bufspace_wait: (PRIBIO + 4) vs. (PRI_MIN_KERN + 3 + 4) bwillwrite: (PRIBIO + 4) vs. (PRI_MIN_KERN + 4) // now a smallest, = previously a largest (of the 3) bufobj_wwait: (PRIBIO + 1) vs. (PRI_MIN_KERN + 3 + 1) Suggestive summary, using routinenames to indicate values (for slpflags =3D=3D 0 contexts): bufobj_wwait < bwillwrite =3D=3D bufspace_wait (previous) vs. bufobj_wwait =3D=3D bwillwrite < bufspace_wait (now) QUOTE Since RQ_PPQ is 4, differences of less than 4 are insignificant, so just remove them. These small differences have not been changed for years, so it is likely they have no real meaning (besides having no practical effect). One can still consult the changes history to recover them if ever needed. END QUOTE The above code does not "just remove them", but creates new small differences and causes a change in the relative order for the 3 contexts. Any chance that is a potential performance problem for some types of use now? For reference: diff --git a/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c b/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c index ea66a81b5903..fa655c43d155 100644 --- a/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c +++ b/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c @@ -756,7 +756,7 @@ bufspace_wait(struct bufdomain *bd, struct vnode = *vp, int gbflags, break; } error =3D msleep(&bd->bd_wanted, BD_LOCKPTR(bd), - (PRIBIO + 4) | slpflag, "newbuf", slptimeo); + PVFS | slpflag, "newbuf", slptimeo); if (error !=3D 0) break; } @@ -2659,8 +2659,7 @@ bwillwrite(void) mtx_lock(&bdirtylock); while (buf_dirty_count_severe()) { bdirtywait =3D 1; - msleep(&bdirtywait, &bdirtylock, (PRIBIO + 4), - "flswai", 0); + msleep(&bdirtywait, &bdirtylock, PVFS, "flswai", = 0); } mtx_unlock(&bdirtylock); } @@ -5239,7 +5238,7 @@ bufobj_wwait(struct bufobj *bo, int slpflag, int = timeo) while (bo->bo_numoutput) { bo->bo_flag |=3D BO_WWAIT; error =3D msleep(&bo->bo_numoutput, BO_LOCKPTR(bo), - slpflag | (PRIBIO + 1), "bo_wwait", timeo); + slpflag | PRIBIO, "bo_wwait", timeo); if (error) break; } >>> . . . >>> 29502 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4832Ki biowr 2 = 0:00 0.06% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 01 >>> 29479 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4836Ki biord 7 = 0:01 0.75% cpdup -i0 -o ref 32 >>> 29467 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4824Ki getblk 26 = 0:01 0.63% cpdup -i0 -o ref 31 >>> 29429 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 4768Ki flswai 23 = 0:01 0.61% cpdup -i0 -o ref 30 >>> 29414 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4780Ki flswai 28 = 0:01 0.70% cpdup -i0 -o ref 29 >>> 29396 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4948Ki wait 9 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >>> 29382 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4876Ki flswai 15 = 0:01 0.95% cpdup -i0 -o ref 28 >>> 29353 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4948Ki wait 7 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >>> 29326 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4804Ki biord 5 = 0:01 0.44% cpdup -i0 -o ref 27 >>> 29308 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4816Ki biord 2 = 0:01 0.77% cpdup -i0 -o ref 26 >>> 29307 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4948Ki wait 5 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >>> 29273 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4944Ki wait 4 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >>> 29262 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4768Ki flswai 20 = 0:01 0.76% cpdup -i0 -o ref 25 >>> 29233 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4784Ki flswai 3 = 0:01 0.71% cpdup -i0 -o ref 24 >>> 29232 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4944Ki wait 6 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >>> . . . >>>=20 >>> It took over 6 minutes for the 32 builders to finish. (Normal is >>> under 2 seconds.) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Also, later activity gets extensive "rename" STATE time, again, at = least >>> some of it during cpdup activity: >=20 > Looks like the "rename" state is new (and I've only > seen in for 15+): >=20 > /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_mount.c has as the source > of the name used for the "rname" STATE: >=20 > static int > mount_init(void *mem, int size, int flags) > { > struct mount *mp; >=20 > mp =3D (struct mount *)mem; > mtx_init(&mp->mnt_mtx, "struct mount mtx", NULL, MTX_DEF); > mtx_init(&mp->mnt_listmtx, "struct mount vlist mtx", NULL, = MTX_DEF); > lockinit(&mp->mnt_explock, PVFS, "explock", 0, 0); > lockinit(&mp->mnt_renamelock, PVFS, "rename", 0, 0); > mp->mnt_pcpu =3D uma_zalloc_pcpu(pcpu_zone_16, M_WAITOK | = M_ZERO); > mp->mnt_ref =3D 0; > mp->mnt_vfs_ops =3D 1; > mp->mnt_rootvnode =3D NULL; > return (0); > } >=20 > author Konstantin Belousov 2025-06-02 07:05:06 +0000 >=20 > committer Konstantin Belousov 2025-07-04 15:23:42 = +0000 > commit ef6ea91593ebff73e2fc201efd9f848b71c5a125 (patch) > tree 5f90f06e4b190a3a8fe9b5f3a016b69415d62a6d /sys/kern/vfs_mount.c > parent f9cf745a5084dc0a38733db8e774252e4ed2f444 (diff) >=20 > VOP_RENAME: add mp-global lock >=20 > It is before all vnode locks, but after vn_start_write(). >=20 > The lock prevents parallel rename operations on the same mount point, > which should in (near future) simplify a lot of code in VFS/fs that > otherwise need to code with either the changing hierarchy, or with the > lock order for vnodes due to changed hierarchy. >=20 > On renames, the lock is taken on the lowest stacked filesystem. > Otherwise rename could still occur in parallel, by performing one of = op > on the lower fs. >=20 > Proposed by: mjg (long time ago) > Reviewed by: markj, olce > Tested by: pho > Sponsored by: The FreeBSD Foundation > MFC after: 1 week > Differential revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D50648 > . . . >=20 > The context here is not renaming activity, so my > guess here is that the following may be in use > in a wider range of contexts. >=20 > /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_lookup.c has: >=20 > static void > nameicap_cleanup(struct nameidata *ndp, int error) > { > struct nameicap_tracker *nt, *nt1; > struct mount *mp; >=20 > KASSERT((ndp->ni_nctrack_mnt =3D=3D NULL && > TAILQ_EMPTY(&ndp->ni_cap_tracker)) || > (ndp->ni_lcf & NI_LCF_CAP_DOTDOT) !=3D 0, > ("tracker active and not strictrelative")); >=20 > TAILQ_FOREACH_SAFE(nt, &ndp->ni_cap_tracker, nm_link, nt1) { > mp =3D nt->mp; > lockmgr(&mp->mnt_renamelock, LK_RELEASE, 0); > vfs_rel(mp); > TAILQ_REMOVE(&ndp->ni_cap_tracker, nt, nm_link); > free(nt, M_NAMEITRACKER); > } >=20 > mp =3D ndp->ni_nctrack_mnt; > if (mp !=3D NULL) { > if (error =3D=3D ERESTART) { > lockmgr(&mp->mnt_renamelock, LK_EXCLUSIVE, 0); > lockmgr(&mp->mnt_renamelock, LK_RELEASE, 0); > } > vfs_rel(mp); > ndp->ni_nctrack_mnt =3D NULL; > } > } >=20 > and it may be the source of the large number > "rename" STATE processes that are all waiting > on "rename" below, forcing 1 of 32 at a time > for cpdup (32 poudriere builders). Later there > is an example of cc also waiting on it when > there is also cpdup activity waiting on it. >=20 >=20 >>> . . . >>> 80055 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4968Ki wait 31 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][06]: build_pkg = (boost-jam-1.88.0) (sh) >>> 78347 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4624Ki rename 0 = 0:00 1.05% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 31 >>> 78331 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 18 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][31]: build_pkg = (lua53-5.3.6_1) (sh) >>> 77930 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4636Ki rename 29 = 0:00 1.02% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 30 >>> 77912 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 25 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][30]: build_pkg = (libsunacl-1.0.1_1) (sh) >>> 75398 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4628Ki rename 2 = 0:00 0.99% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 16 >>> 75335 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 20 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][16]: build_pkg = (iwmbt-firmware-20250410) (sh) >>> 75324 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4628Ki rename 24 = 0:00 1.04% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 19 >>> 75308 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 24 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][19]: build_pkg = (lua54-5.4.8) (sh) >>> 74963 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4624Ki rename 4 = 0:00 1.05% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 32 >>> 74922 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 26 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][32]: build_pkg = (lzo2-2.10_1) (sh) >>> 72722 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4776Ki rename 1 = 0:00 1.28% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 15 >>> 72647 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 26 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][15]: build_pkg = (indexinfo-0.3.1_1) (sh) >>> 71967 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4856Ki rename 30 = 0:00 1.48% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 25 >>> 71917 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 1 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][25]: build_pkg = (mpg123-1.33.2) (sh) >>> 71629 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4828Ki rename 31 = 0:00 1.61% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f=20 >>> . . . >>>=20 >>> But I'll also see such on c compiles, ld commands, etc. I've >>> not seen rename for pkg-static but I have seen flswai for it. >>>=20 >>> The system spends lots of time 95%+ idle from the wait >>> activities. >>>=20 >>> I see such directly booted from the USB3 media (a 15.0-ALPHA4 >>> context on UFS media) and when using that media via chroot >>> from both ZFS and UFS boots that are not USB based. The ZFS >>> and UFS boots do not show the behavior with the normal >>> non-USB3 media used instead. >>>=20 >>> The system in use is an AMD 7950X3D with 32 FreeBSD cpus, >>> 192 GiBytes of RAM. main 16 booting for non-USB boots >>> and 15.0-ALPHA4 boots for the USB3 boots. kernel and >>> world are via official pkgbase distribution installs: >>> it is not a personal build of the kernel or world. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> More rename and flswai examples: >>>=20 >>> . . . >>> 39320 183 nobody 59 0 171676Ki 160576Ki rename 29 = 0:00 2.17% cc -D_BLD_DLL -fPIC -D_BLD_ast -Os -Wno-unused-value = -Wno-parentheses -Wno-logical-op-parentheses -fno-strict-aliasing -I >>> 62772 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3372Ki wait 25 = 0:00 0.04% mamake -C lib/libast install >>> 12602 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3072Ki wait 17 = 0:00 0.00% mamake -r */* install >>> 12600 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3076Ki wait 22 = 0:00 0.00% mamake install >>> 12596 183 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2688Ki piperd 10 = 0:00 0.01% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh/work/ksh-1.0.10/arch/freebsd15.i386-64/lib/p= ackage/gen/make.out >>> 8980 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3732Ki wait 6 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make >>> 8977 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3436Ki wait 3 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makelMk4B8 >>> 8929 183 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3872Ki wait 4 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh build >>> 39327 179 nobody 59 0 105680Ki 93264Ki biowr 2 = 0:00 0.61% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker = /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o test = /usr/lib/crt >>> 39325 179 nobody 59 0 165928Ki 155088Ki wait 17 = 0:00 1.00% /usr/bin/cc -o test ../test.o >>> 39294 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3448Ki wait 10 = 0:00 0.01% sh = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/C/make/probe /usr/bin/cc PREROOT=3D'' UNIVER >>> 39293 179 nobody 59 0 15264Ki 3704Ki piperd 19 = 0:00 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/probe C make /usr/bin/cc >>> 39291 179 nobody 59 0 16344Ki 4960Ki wait 10 = 0:00 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e --ignorelock --keepgoing --errorid=3Dlib/libast >>> 39290 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 12 = 0:00 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 >>> 39258 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3452Ki piperd 0 = 0:00 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 >>> 37014 179 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2692Ki piperd 30 = 0:00 0.00% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/pack= age/gen/make.out >>> 37013 179 nobody 0 0 16728Ki 5320Ki select 14 = 0:00 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e -k -K recurse believe nmake >>> 32949 179 nobody 13 0 14744Ki 4136Ki wait 31 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make ksh93 >>> 32948 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 19 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makeW36tmB >>> 32940 179 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3892Ki wait 21 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh93 build >>> 32453 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5020Ki rename 22 = 0:03 0.47% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 26 >>> 32420 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5024Ki rename 13 = 0:03 0.50% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 11 >>> 32358 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5068Ki rename 26 = 0:03 0.53% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 20 >>> 32333 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 11 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][26]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-numactl-libs-2.0.12_1) (sh) >>> 32313 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 9 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][20]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-libaio-0.3.109) (sh) >>> 32301 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 19 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][11]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-dosfstools-3.0.20) (sh) >>> 13808 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4984Ki rename 4 = 0:03 0.57% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 19 >>> 12316 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5072Ki biowr 27 = 0:03 0.56% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 13 >>> 12283 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5068Ki rename 5 = 0:03 0.53% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 01 >>> 12277 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5068Ki rename 28 = 0:03 0.54% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 14 >>> 12096 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 27 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-def >>> . . . >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> . . . >>> 39927 183 nobody 59 0 171676Ki 160396Ki flswai 13 = 0:00 2.03% cc -D_BLD_DLL -fPIC -D_BLD_ast -Os -Wno-unused-value = -Wno-parentheses -Wno-logical-op-parentheses -fno-strict-aliasing -I >>> 62772 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3400Ki wait 3 = 0:00 0.06% mamake -C lib/libast install >>> 12602 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3072Ki wait 17 = 0:00 0.00% mamake -r */* install >>> 12600 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3076Ki wait 22 = 0:00 0.00% mamake install >>> 12596 183 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2688Ki piperd 28 = 0:00 0.01% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh/work/ksh-1.0.10/arch/freebsd15.i386-64/lib/p= ackage/gen/make.out >>> 8980 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3732Ki wait 6 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make >>> 8977 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3436Ki wait 3 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makelMk4B8 >>> 8929 183 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3872Ki wait 4 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh build >>> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki flswai 20 = 0:00 0.60% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker = /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o = dynamic.exe /usr/ >>> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 0 = 0:00 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker = /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o = dynamic.exe /usr/ >>> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 13 = 0:00 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker = /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o = dynamic.exe /usr/ >>> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 16 = 0:00 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker = /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o = dynamic.exe /usr/ >>> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 27 = 0:00 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker = /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o = dynamic.exe /usr/ >>> 39923 179 nobody 59 0 165928Ki 155092Ki wait 0 = 0:00 1.00% /usr/bin/cc -o dynamic.exe -dynamic dynamic.o >>> 39294 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3464Ki wait 9 = 0:00 0.02% sh = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/C/make/probe /usr/bin/cc PREROOT=3D'' UNIVER >>> 39293 179 nobody 59 0 15264Ki 3704Ki piperd 19 = 0:00 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/probe C make /usr/bin/cc >>> 39291 179 nobody 59 0 16344Ki 4960Ki wait 10 = 0:00 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e --ignorelock --keepgoing --errorid=3Dlib/libast >>> 39290 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 12 = 0:00 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 >>> 39258 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3452Ki piperd 0 = 0:00 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 >>> 37014 179 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2692Ki piperd 30 = 0:00 0.00% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/pack= age/gen/make.out >>> 37013 179 nobody 0 0 16728Ki 5320Ki select 14 = 0:00 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e -k -K recurse believe nmake >>> 32949 179 nobody 13 0 14744Ki 4136Ki wait 31 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make ksh93 >>> 32948 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 19 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makeW36tmB >>> 32940 179 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3892Ki wait 21 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh93 build >>> 32453 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5020Ki flswai 17 = 0:03 2.82% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 26 >>> 32420 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 5024Ki flswai 25 = 0:03 2.81% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 11 >>> 32358 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 5068Ki flswai 14 = 0:03 2.79% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 20 >>> 32333 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 11 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][26]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-numactl-libs-2.0.12_1) (sh) >>> 32313 0 root 59 0 16872Ki >>> . . . >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> . . . >>> 53486 185 root 0 0 66428Ki 34196Ki getblk 25 = 0:01 0.26% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>> 53485 185 root 59 0 23308Ki 12024Ki wait 0 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>> 53446 185 root 59 0 14744Ki 3504Ki wait 11 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh >>> 53445 185 root 59 0 14284Ki 3828Ki wait 1 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/textproc/p5-YAML-Tiny = build-depends >>> 96359 183 root 0 0 66428Ki 34196Ki flswai 31 = 0:00 1.43% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>> 96358 183 root 59 0 23308Ki 12020Ki wait 29 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>> 96331 183 root 59 0 14744Ki 3504Ki wait 5 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh >>> 96330 183 root 59 0 14284Ki 3860Ki wait 27 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2 = patch-depends >>> 9658 170 nobody 59 0 14224Ki 2852Ki flswai 3 0:00 = 0.02% install -m 0644 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I make no claim it has anything to > do with the flswai activity reported. The possible > bottleneck is an observation, not something that I claim > there is any alternative to. I do not know if this is of any > interest or not.] >=20 > On Sep 29, 2025, at 16:06, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> On Sep 29, 2025, at 13:01, Mark Millard wrote: >>=20 >>> An example is during the cpdup activities when multiple happen >>> in overlappingtime frames: >>=20 >> I'll note that I see this on the amd64 32-FreeBSD-cpu system >> but not on the aarch64 8-FreeBSD-cpu Windows Dev Kit 2023 >> system. May be at some point I'll try the older 16-FreeBSD-cpu >> aarch64 (Cortex-A72) system. >>=20 >> Also, on the 7950X3D amd74 system, I see the behavior with >> 14.3-Stable. Apparently, this is not new with 15+. It has >> been a long time since I'd tried using an amd64 system for >> such activity based on using USB3 media. But it has been >> common for me for aarch64 over that time frame. previous to modern: @@ -2659,8 +2659,7 @@ bwillwrite(void) mtx_lock(&bdirtylock); while (buf_dirty_count_severe()) { bdirtywait =3D 1; - msleep(&bdirtywait, &bdirtylock, (PRIBIO + 4), - "flswai", 0); + msleep(&bdirtywait, &bdirtylock, PVFS, "flswai", = 0); } mtx_unlock(&bdirtylock); where in modern code: /usr/src/sys/sys/priority.h:#define PRIBIO (PRI_MIN_KERN + 3) and: /usr/src/sys/sys/priority.h:#define PVFS (PRI_MIN_KERN + 4) Presuming slpflags =3D=3D 0 (see later reference code) as an example context: previous vs. now for . . . bufspace_wait: (PRIBIO + 4) vs. (PRI_MIN_KERN + 3 + 4) bwillwrite: (PRIBIO + 4) vs. (PRI_MIN_KERN + 4) // now a smallest, = previously a largest (of the 3) bufobj_wwait: (PRIBIO + 1) vs. (PRI_MIN_KERN + 3 + 1) Suggestive summary, using routine names to indicate values (for slpflags =3D=3D 0 contexts): bufobj_wwait < bwillwrite =3D=3D bufspace_wait (previous) vs. bufobj_wwait =3D=3D bwillwrite < bufspace_wait (now) QUOTE Since RQ_PPQ is 4, differences of less than 4 are insignificant, so just remove them. These small differences have not been changed for years, so it is likely they have no real meaning (besides having no practical effect). One can still consult the changes history to recover them if ever needed. END QUOTE The above code does not "just remove them", but creates new small differences and causes a change in the relative order for the 3 contexts. Any chance that is a potential performance problem for some types of use now? For reference: diff --git a/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c b/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c index ea66a81b5903..fa655c43d155 100644 --- a/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c +++ b/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c @@ -756,7 +756,7 @@ bufspace_wait(struct bufdomain *bd, struct vnode = *vp, int gbflags, break; } error =3D msleep(&bd->bd_wanted, BD_LOCKPTR(bd), - (PRIBIO + 4) | slpflag, "newbuf", slptimeo); + PVFS | slpflag, "newbuf", slptimeo); if (error !=3D 0) break; } @@ -2659,8 +2659,7 @@ bwillwrite(void) mtx_lock(&bdirtylock); while (buf_dirty_count_severe()) { bdirtywait =3D 1; - msleep(&bdirtywait, &bdirtylock, (PRIBIO + 4), - "flswai", 0); + msleep(&bdirtywait, &bdirtylock, PVFS, "flswai", = 0); } mtx_unlock(&bdirtylock); } @@ -5239,7 +5238,7 @@ bufobj_wwait(struct bufobj *bo, int slpflag, int = timeo) while (bo->bo_numoutput) { bo->bo_flag |=3D BO_WWAIT; error =3D msleep(&bo->bo_numoutput, BO_LOCKPTR(bo), - slpflag | (PRIBIO + 1), "bo_wwait", timeo); + slpflag | PRIBIO, "bo_wwait", timeo); if (error) break; } >>> . . . >>> 29502 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4832Ki biowr 2 = 0:00 0.06% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 01 >>> 29479 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4836Ki biord 7 = 0:01 0.75% cpdup -i0 -o ref 32 >>> 29467 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4824Ki getblk 26 = 0:01 0.63% cpdup -i0 -o ref 31 >>> 29429 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 4768Ki flswai 23 = 0:01 0.61% cpdup -i0 -o ref 30 >>> 29414 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4780Ki flswai 28 = 0:01 0.70% cpdup -i0 -o ref 29 >>> 29396 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4948Ki wait 9 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >>> 29382 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4876Ki flswai 15 = 0:01 0.95% cpdup -i0 -o ref 28 >>> 29353 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4948Ki wait 7 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >>> 29326 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4804Ki biord 5 = 0:01 0.44% cpdup -i0 -o ref 27 >>> 29308 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4816Ki biord 2 = 0:01 0.77% cpdup -i0 -o ref 26 >>> 29307 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4948Ki wait 5 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >>> 29273 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4944Ki wait 4 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >>> 29262 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4768Ki flswai 20 = 0:01 0.76% cpdup -i0 -o ref 25 >>> 29233 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4784Ki flswai 3 = 0:01 0.71% cpdup -i0 -o ref 24 >>> 29232 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4944Ki wait 6 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >>> . . . >>>=20 >>> It took over 6 minutes for the 32 builders to finish. (Normal is >>> under 2 seconds.) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Also, later activity gets extensive "rename" STATE time, again, at = least >>> some of it during cpdup activity: >=20 > Looks like the "rename" state is new (and I've only > seen in for 15+): >=20 > /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_mount.c has as the source > of the name used for the "rname" STATE: >=20 > static int > mount_init(void *mem, int size, int flags) > { > struct mount *mp; >=20 > mp =3D (struct mount *)mem; > mtx_init(&mp->mnt_mtx, "struct mount mtx", NULL, MTX_DEF); > mtx_init(&mp->mnt_listmtx, "struct mount vlist mtx", NULL, = MTX_DEF); > lockinit(&mp->mnt_explock, PVFS, "explock", 0, 0); > lockinit(&mp->mnt_renamelock, PVFS, "rename", 0, 0); > mp->mnt_pcpu =3D uma_zalloc_pcpu(pcpu_zone_16, M_WAITOK | = M_ZERO); > mp->mnt_ref =3D 0; > mp->mnt_vfs_ops =3D 1; > mp->mnt_rootvnode =3D NULL; > return (0); > } >=20 > author Konstantin Belousov 2025-06-02 07:05:06 +0000 >=20 > committer Konstantin Belousov 2025-07-04 15:23:42 = +0000 > commit ef6ea91593ebff73e2fc201efd9f848b71c5a125 (patch) > tree 5f90f06e4b190a3a8fe9b5f3a016b69415d62a6d /sys/kern/vfs_mount.c > parent f9cf745a5084dc0a38733db8e774252e4ed2f444 (diff) >=20 > VOP_RENAME: add mp-global lock >=20 > It is before all vnode locks, but after vn_start_write(). >=20 > The lock prevents parallel rename operations on the same mount point, > which should in (near future) simplify a lot of code in VFS/fs that > otherwise need to code with either the changing hierarchy, or with the > lock order for vnodes due to changed hierarchy. >=20 > On renames, the lock is taken on the lowest stacked filesystem. > Otherwise rename could still occur in parallel, by performing one of = op > on the lower fs. >=20 > Proposed by: mjg (long time ago) > Reviewed by: markj, olce > Tested by: pho > Sponsored by: The FreeBSD Foundation > MFC after: 1 week > Differential revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D50648 > . . . >=20 > The context here is not renaming activity, so my > guess here is that the following may be in use > in a wider range of contexts. >=20 > /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_lookup.c has: >=20 > static void > nameicap_cleanup(struct nameidata *ndp, int error) > { > struct nameicap_tracker *nt, *nt1; > struct mount *mp; >=20 > KASSERT((ndp->ni_nctrack_mnt =3D=3D NULL && > TAILQ_EMPTY(&ndp->ni_cap_tracker)) || > (ndp->ni_lcf & NI_LCF_CAP_DOTDOT) !=3D 0, > ("tracker active and not strictrelative")); >=20 > TAILQ_FOREACH_SAFE(nt, &ndp->ni_cap_tracker, nm_link, nt1) { > mp =3D nt->mp; > lockmgr(&mp->mnt_renamelock, LK_RELEASE, 0); > vfs_rel(mp); > TAILQ_REMOVE(&ndp->ni_cap_tracker, nt, nm_link); > free(nt, M_NAMEITRACKER); > } >=20 > mp =3D ndp->ni_nctrack_mnt; > if (mp !=3D NULL) { > if (error =3D=3D ERESTART) { > lockmgr(&mp->mnt_renamelock, LK_EXCLUSIVE, 0); > lockmgr(&mp->mnt_renamelock, LK_RELEASE, 0); > } > vfs_rel(mp); > ndp->ni_nctrack_mnt =3D NULL; > } > } >=20 > and it may be the source of the large number > "rename" STATE processes that are all waiting > on "rename" below, forcing 1 of 32 at a time > for cpdup (32 poudriere builders). Later there > is an example of cc also waiting on it when > there is also cpdup activity waiting on it. >=20 >=20 >>> . . . >>> 80055 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4968Ki wait 31 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][06]: build_pkg = (boost-jam-1.88.0) (sh) >>> 78347 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4624Ki rename 0 = 0:00 1.05% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 31 >>> 78331 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 18 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][31]: build_pkg = (lua53-5.3.6_1) (sh) >>> 77930 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4636Ki rename 29 = 0:00 1.02% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 30 >>> 77912 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 25 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][30]: build_pkg = (libsunacl-1.0.1_1) (sh) >>> 75398 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4628Ki rename 2 = 0:00 0.99% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 16 >>> 75335 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 20 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][16]: build_pkg = (iwmbt-firmware-20250410) (sh) >>> 75324 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4628Ki rename 24 = 0:00 1.04% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 19 >>> 75308 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 24 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][19]: build_pkg = (lua54-5.4.8) (sh) >>> 74963 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4624Ki rename 4 = 0:00 1.05% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 32 >>> 74922 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 26 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][32]: build_pkg = (lzo2-2.10_1) (sh) >>> 72722 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4776Ki rename 1 = 0:00 1.28% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 15 >>> 72647 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 26 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][15]: build_pkg = (indexinfo-0.3.1_1) (sh) >>> 71967 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4856Ki rename 30 = 0:00 1.48% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 25 >>> 71917 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 1 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][25]: build_pkg = (mpg123-1.33.2) (sh) >>> 71629 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4828Ki rename 31 = 0:00 1.61% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f=20 >>> . . . >>>=20 >>> But I'll also see such on c compiles, ld commands, etc. I've >>> not seen rename for pkg-static but I have seen flswai for it. >>>=20 >>> The system spends lots of time 95%+ idle from the wait >>> activities. >>>=20 >>> I see such directly booted from the USB3 media (a 15.0-ALPHA4 >>> context on UFS media) and when using that media via chroot >>> from both ZFS and UFS boots that are not USB based. The ZFS >>> and UFS boots do not show the behavior with the normal >>> non-USB3 media used instead. >>>=20 >>> The system in use is an AMD 7950X3D with 32 FreeBSD cpus, >>> 192 GiBytes of RAM. main 16 booting for non-USB boots >>> and 15.0-ALPHA4 boots for the USB3 boots. kernel and >>> world are via official pkgbase distribution installs: >>> it is not a personal build of the kernel or world. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> More rename and flswai examples: >>>=20 >>> . . . >>> 39320 183 nobody 59 0 171676Ki 160576Ki rename 29 = 0:00 2.17% cc -D_BLD_DLL -fPIC -D_BLD_ast -Os -Wno-unused-value = -Wno-parentheses -Wno-logical-op-parentheses -fno-strict-aliasing -I >>> 62772 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3372Ki wait 25 = 0:00 0.04% mamake -C lib/libast install >>> 12602 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3072Ki wait 17 = 0:00 0.00% mamake -r */* install >>> 12600 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3076Ki wait 22 = 0:00 0.00% mamake install >>> 12596 183 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2688Ki piperd 10 = 0:00 0.01% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh/work/ksh-1.0.10/arch/freebsd15.i386-64/lib/p= ackage/gen/make.out >>> 8980 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3732Ki wait 6 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make >>> 8977 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3436Ki wait 3 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makelMk4B8 >>> 8929 183 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3872Ki wait 4 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh build >>> 39327 179 nobody 59 0 105680Ki 93264Ki biowr 2 = 0:00 0.61% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker = /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o test = /usr/lib/crt >>> 39325 179 nobody 59 0 165928Ki 155088Ki wait 17 = 0:00 1.00% /usr/bin/cc -o test ../test.o >>> 39294 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3448Ki wait 10 = 0:00 0.01% sh = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/C/make/probe /usr/bin/cc PREROOT=3D'' UNIVER >>> 39293 179 nobody 59 0 15264Ki 3704Ki piperd 19 = 0:00 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/probe C make /usr/bin/cc >>> 39291 179 nobody 59 0 16344Ki 4960Ki wait 10 = 0:00 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e --ignorelock --keepgoing --errorid=3Dlib/libast >>> 39290 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 12 = 0:00 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 >>> 39258 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3452Ki piperd 0 = 0:00 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 >>> 37014 179 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2692Ki piperd 30 = 0:00 0.00% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/pack= age/gen/make.out >>> 37013 179 nobody 0 0 16728Ki 5320Ki select 14 = 0:00 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e -k -K recurse believe nmake >>> 32949 179 nobody 13 0 14744Ki 4136Ki wait 31 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make ksh93 >>> 32948 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 19 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makeW36tmB >>> 32940 179 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3892Ki wait 21 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh93 build >>> 32453 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5020Ki rename 22 = 0:03 0.47% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 26 >>> 32420 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5024Ki rename 13 = 0:03 0.50% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 11 >>> 32358 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5068Ki rename 26 = 0:03 0.53% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 20 >>> 32333 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 11 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][26]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-numactl-libs-2.0.12_1) (sh) >>> 32313 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 9 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][20]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-libaio-0.3.109) (sh) >>> 32301 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 19 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][11]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-dosfstools-3.0.20) (sh) >>> 13808 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4984Ki rename 4 = 0:03 0.57% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 19 >>> 12316 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5072Ki biowr 27 = 0:03 0.56% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 13 >>> 12283 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5068Ki rename 5 = 0:03 0.53% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 01 >>> 12277 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5068Ki rename 28 = 0:03 0.54% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 14 >>> 12096 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 27 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-def >>> . . . >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> . . . >>> 39927 183 nobody 59 0 171676Ki 160396Ki flswai 13 = 0:00 2.03% cc -D_BLD_DLL -fPIC -D_BLD_ast -Os -Wno-unused-value = -Wno-parentheses -Wno-logical-op-parentheses -fno-strict-aliasing -I >>> 62772 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3400Ki wait 3 = 0:00 0.06% mamake -C lib/libast install >>> 12602 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3072Ki wait 17 = 0:00 0.00% mamake -r */* install >>> 12600 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3076Ki wait 22 = 0:00 0.00% mamake install >>> 12596 183 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2688Ki piperd 28 = 0:00 0.01% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh/work/ksh-1.0.10/arch/freebsd15.i386-64/lib/p= ackage/gen/make.out >>> 8980 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3732Ki wait 6 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make >>> 8977 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3436Ki wait 3 0:00 = 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makelMk4B8 >>> 8929 183 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3872Ki wait 4 0:00 = 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh build >>> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki flswai 20 = 0:00 0.60% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker = /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o = dynamic.exe /usr/ >>> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 0 = 0:00 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker = /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o = dynamic.exe /usr/ >>> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 13 = 0:00 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker = /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o = dynamic.exe /usr/ >>> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 16 = 0:00 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker = /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o = dynamic.exe /usr/ >>> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 27 = 0:00 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker = /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o = dynamic.exe /usr/ >>> 39923 179 nobody 59 0 165928Ki 155092Ki wait 0 = 0:00 1.00% /usr/bin/cc -o dynamic.exe -dynamic dynamic.o >>> 39294 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3464Ki wait 9 = 0:00 0.02% sh = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/C/make/probe /usr/bin/cc PREROOT=3D'' UNIVER >>> 39293 179 nobody 59 0 15264Ki 3704Ki piperd 19 = 0:00 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/probe C make /usr/bin/cc >>> 39291 179 nobody 59 0 16344Ki 4960Ki wait 10 = 0:00 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e --ignorelock --keepgoing --errorid=3Dlib/libast >>> 39290 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 12 = 0:00 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 >>> 39258 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3452Ki piperd 0 = 0:00 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 >>> 37014 179 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2692Ki piperd 30 = 0:00 0.00% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/pack= age/gen/make.out >>> 37013 179 nobody 0 0 16728Ki 5320Ki select 14 = 0:00 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e -k -K recurse believe nmake >>> 32949 179 nobody 13 0 14744Ki 4136Ki wait 31 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make ksh93 >>> 32948 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 19 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makeW36tmB >>> 32940 179 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3892Ki wait 21 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh93 build >>> 32453 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5020Ki flswai 17 = 0:03 2.82% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 26 >>> 32420 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 5024Ki flswai 25 = 0:03 2.81% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 11 >>> 32358 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 5068Ki flswai 14 = 0:03 2.79% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 20 >>> 32333 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 11 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][26]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-numactl-libs-2.0.12_1) (sh) >>> 32313 0 root 59 0 16872Ki >>> . . . >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> . . . >>> 53486 185 root 0 0 66428Ki 34196Ki getblk 25 = 0:01 0.26% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>> 53485 185 root 59 0 23308Ki 12024Ki wait 0 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>> 53446 185 root 59 0 14744Ki 3504Ki wait 11 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh >>> 53445 185 root 59 0 14284Ki 3828Ki wait 1 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/textproc/p5-YAML-Tiny = build-depends >>> 96359 183 root 0 0 66428Ki 34196Ki flswai 31 = 0:00 1.43% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>> 96358 183 root 59 0 23308Ki 12020Ki wait 29 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>> 96331 183 root 59 0 14744Ki 3504Ki wait 5 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh >>> 96330 183 root 59 0 14284Ki 3860Ki wait 27 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2 = patch-depends >>> 9658 170 nobody 59 0 14224Ki 2852Ki flswai 3 0:00 = 0.02% install -m 0644 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([2001:9a8:26e:0:b8be:50b0:b588:e79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-634a362993esm11163210a12.4.2025.09.30.23.37.59 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Sep 2025 23:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1c841139-16e9-4ca3-9864-9b02b9dc838a@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2025 08:37:59 +0200 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Missing files from ALPHA4 memstick.img To: stable@freebsd.org References: <010001999707f794-fba8a698-d2e8-4a81-83f4-32637e0e1967-000000@email.amazonses.com> <4FDAF12C-08E7-40BF-8A2D-3FDB3B2C9924@ketas.si.pri.ee> Content-Language: en-US From: Johan Hendriks In-Reply-To: <4FDAF12C-08E7-40BF-8A2D-3FDB3B2C9924@ketas.si.pri.ee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.93 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.933]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[stable@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[stable@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::534:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cc4xb3PpKz3mSM On 9/30/25 10:42 AM, Sulev-Madis Silber wrote: > > On September 30, 2025 11:03:33 AM GMT+03:00, Johan Hendriks wrote: >> On 9/29/25 9:51 PM, Colin Percival wrote: >>> On 9/29/25 11:54, Johan Hendriks wrote: >>>> I just downloaded the FreeBSD-ALPHA4 memstick.img file. >>>> >>>> I have a custom install script that worked on ALPHA1. >>>> Nut now it does not work anymore. >>>> >>>> I noticed that i missed some files on the memstick image (if i am not mistaken.) >>>> >>>> I do this in my script: >>>> >>>> echo "" >>>> echo "# Install FreeBSD OS. (base.txz kernel.txz doc.txz)" >>>> echo "# This will take a few minutes." >>>> cd /usr/freebsd-dist >>>> for file in base.txz kernel.txz doc.txz; >>>> do (cat $file | tar --unlink -xpJf - -C ${mount:-/}); done >>>> >>>> But it seems there are no files in /usr/freebsd-dist anymore, except a file called MANIFEST >>>> >>>> Am i missing something? >>> Yes.  With the move to pkgbase, the disc1 and memstick images no longer >>> contain legacy distfiles, only pkgbase repositories. >>> >>> The legacy distfiles will remain on dvd images for the duration of FreeBSD 15 >>> for the benefit of users (such as yourself!) with scripts which ingest them, >>> but they will not exist in FreeBSD 16. >>> >> That makes perfectly sense. But, (there is always a but...) How can i install FreeBSD from a script. Is there a simple command i can use like pkg install base or something >> >> >> regards, >> Johan Hendriks >> >> > yes, you do it like > > pkg -r "${mount:-/}" install -x '^FreeBSD-set-(base|kernels)-' > > note that you actually need to figure out what to install and i don't have image here to look what repo names it had and so on. and was it configured > > if you want to do local or remote pkg installs like this, i hope you verify it runs, too, first. just like you did with your tar. above was example :) i can give more of those if absolutely necessary > > pkgbase gives you much more direct control, if you for example used to have tar excludes for x before. and integrity verification should be easier too, but you have skipped that i see > Thank you all very much i will go around and see how far i come. Thanks for the pointers. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 27c09b01a6f43c13456e97a5779561d1; Wed, 01 Oct 2025 07:46:31 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: main 16 and 15.0-ALPHA4 [on amd64]: using a USB3 context gets extensive "flswai" [and "rename"] STATE time during poudriere builds (UFS context happens to be in use); more From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2025 00:46:20 -0700 Cc: "kib@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0E19FD53-00B2-4113-8CBE-D3128897C5BE@yahoo.com> References: <46E0F6E8-A365-4C01-BFF8-CE2423B6DA00@yahoo.com> <4D74D446-2078-4A5F-B245-913273E2DDD1@yahoo.com> <03B6ABBE-DF0B-441F-9ABD-5565ADBF29ED@yahoo.com> To: FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List , "olce@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.64.146:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.64.146:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cc6Sd6rfbz3tm7 On Sep 30, 2025, at 22:20, Mark Millard wrote: > [Resending: Correcting an Email address copy/paste error > and adding adjusting a little wording.] >=20 > [This note's additions are tied to "flswai" STATE instead > of to "rename" STATE.] I messed up substituting without noticing at the time. Ignore my "flswai" STATE material. > On Sep 30, 2025, at 20:43, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> [The new material here ends up being about nameicap_cleanup >> and its exclusive use of mnt_renamelock being one potential >> bottleneck involved here. I make no claim it has anything to >> do with the flswai activity reported. The possible >> bottleneck is an observation, not something that I claim >> there is any alternative to. I do not know if this is of any >> interest or not.] >>=20 >> On Sep 29, 2025, at 16:06, Mark Millard wrote: >>=20 >>> On Sep 29, 2025, at 13:01, Mark Millard wrote: >>>=20 >>>> An example is during the cpdup activities when multiple happen >>>> in overlappingtime frames: >>>=20 >>> I'll note that I see this on the amd64 32-FreeBSD-cpu system >>> but not on the aarch64 8-FreeBSD-cpu Windows Dev Kit 2023 >>> system. May be at some point I'll try the older 16-FreeBSD-cpu >>> aarch64 (Cortex-A72) system. >>>=20 >>> Also, on the 7950X3D amd74 system, I see the behavior with >>> 14.3-Stable. Apparently, this is not new with 15+. It has >>> been a long time since I'd tried using an amd64 system for >>> such activity based on using USB3 media. But it has been >>> common for me for aarch64 over that time frame. BEGIN IGNORE > previous to modern: > @@ -2659,8 +2659,7 @@ bwillwrite(void) > mtx_lock(&bdirtylock); > while (buf_dirty_count_severe()) { > bdirtywait =3D 1; > - msleep(&bdirtywait, &bdirtylock, (PRIBIO + 4), > - "flswai", 0); > + msleep(&bdirtywait, &bdirtylock, PVFS, "flswai", 0); > } > mtx_unlock(&bdirtylock); >=20 > where in modern code: >=20 > /usr/src/sys/sys/priority.h:#define PRIBIO (PRI_MIN_KERN + 3) > and: > /usr/src/sys/sys/priority.h:#define PVFS (PRI_MIN_KERN + 4) >=20 > Presuming slpflags =3D=3D 0 (see later reference code) > as an example context: >=20 > previous vs. now for . . . > bufspace_wait: (PRIBIO + 4) vs. (PRI_MIN_KERN + 3 + 4) > bwillwrite: (PRIBIO + 4) vs. (PRI_MIN_KERN + 4) // now a smallest, = previously a largest (of the 3) > bufobj_wwait: (PRIBIO + 1) vs. (PRI_MIN_KERN + 3 + 1) Actually, referencing previous vs. new correctly: bufspace_wait: (PRIBIO + 4) vs. (PRI_MIN_KERN + 4) bwillwrite: (PRIBIO + 4) vs. (PRI_MIN_KERN + 4) bufobj_wwait: (PRIBIO + 1) vs. (PRI_MIN_KERN + 3) So order is preserved, including equality. Sorry for the noise for flswai. > Suggestive summary, using routine names to indicate values > (for slpflags =3D=3D 0 contexts): >=20 > bufobj_wwait < bwillwrite =3D=3D bufspace_wait (previous) > vs. > bufobj_wwait =3D=3D bwillwrite < bufspace_wait (now) >=20 > QUOTE > Since RQ_PPQ is 4, differences of less than 4 are insignificant, so = just > remove them. These small differences have not been changed for years, > so it is likely they have no real meaning (besides having no practical > effect). One can still consult the changes history to recover them if > ever needed. > END QUOTE >=20 > The above code does not "just remove them", but creates > new small differences and causes a change in the > relative order for the 3 contexts. >=20 > Any chance that is a potential performance problem for > some types of use now? >=20 > For reference: >=20 > diff --git a/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c b/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c > index ea66a81b5903..fa655c43d155 100644 > --- a/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c > +++ b/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c > @@ -756,7 +756,7 @@ bufspace_wait(struct bufdomain *bd, struct vnode = *vp, int gbflags, > break; > } > error =3D msleep(&bd->bd_wanted, BD_LOCKPTR(bd), > - (PRIBIO + 4) | slpflag, "newbuf", slptimeo); > + PVFS | slpflag, "newbuf", slptimeo); > if (error !=3D 0) > break; > } > @@ -2659,8 +2659,7 @@ bwillwrite(void) > mtx_lock(&bdirtylock); > while (buf_dirty_count_severe()) { > bdirtywait =3D 1; > - msleep(&bdirtywait, &bdirtylock, (PRIBIO + 4), > - "flswai", 0); > + msleep(&bdirtywait, &bdirtylock, PVFS, "flswai", 0); > } > mtx_unlock(&bdirtylock); > } > @@ -5239,7 +5238,7 @@ bufobj_wwait(struct bufobj *bo, int slpflag, int = timeo) > while (bo->bo_numoutput) { > bo->bo_flag |=3D BO_WWAIT; > error =3D msleep(&bo->bo_numoutput, BO_LOCKPTR(bo), > - slpflag | (PRIBIO + 1), "bo_wwait", timeo); > + slpflag | PRIBIO, "bo_wwait", timeo); > if (error) > break; > } END IGNORE >=20 >>>> . . . >>>> 29502 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4832Ki biowr 2 = 0:00 0.06% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 01 >>>> 29479 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4836Ki biord 7 = 0:01 0.75% cpdup -i0 -o ref 32 >>>> 29467 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4824Ki getblk 26 = 0:01 0.63% cpdup -i0 -o ref 31 >>>> 29429 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 4768Ki flswai 23 = 0:01 0.61% cpdup -i0 -o ref 30 >>>> 29414 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4780Ki flswai 28 = 0:01 0.70% cpdup -i0 -o ref 29 >>>> 29396 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4948Ki wait 9 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >>>> 29382 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4876Ki flswai 15 = 0:01 0.95% cpdup -i0 -o ref 28 >>>> 29353 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4948Ki wait 7 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >>>> 29326 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4804Ki biord 5 = 0:01 0.44% cpdup -i0 -o ref 27 >>>> 29308 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4816Ki biord 2 = 0:01 0.77% cpdup -i0 -o ref 26 >>>> 29307 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4948Ki wait 5 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >>>> 29273 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4944Ki wait 4 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >>>> 29262 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4768Ki flswai 20 = 0:01 0.76% cpdup -i0 -o ref 25 >>>> 29233 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4784Ki flswai 3 = 0:01 0.71% cpdup -i0 -o ref 24 >>>> 29232 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4944Ki wait 6 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/libexec/poudriere/sh -e -o pipefail = /usr/local/share/poudriere/bulk.sh -jofficial-amd64 -c -f = /usr/home/root/o >>>> . . . >>>>=20 >>>> It took over 6 minutes for the 32 builders to finish. (Normal is >>>> under 2 seconds.) >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Also, later activity gets extensive "rename" STATE time, again, at = least >>>> some of it during cpdup activity: >>=20 >> Looks like the "rename" state is new (and I've only >> seen in for 15+): >>=20 >> /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_mount.c has as the source >> of the name used for the "rname" STATE: >>=20 >> static int >> mount_init(void *mem, int size, int flags) >> { >> struct mount *mp; >>=20 >> mp =3D (struct mount *)mem; >> mtx_init(&mp->mnt_mtx, "struct mount mtx", NULL, MTX_DEF); >> mtx_init(&mp->mnt_listmtx, "struct mount vlist mtx", NULL, = MTX_DEF); >> lockinit(&mp->mnt_explock, PVFS, "explock", 0, 0); >> lockinit(&mp->mnt_renamelock, PVFS, "rename", 0, 0); >> mp->mnt_pcpu =3D uma_zalloc_pcpu(pcpu_zone_16, M_WAITOK | = M_ZERO); >> mp->mnt_ref =3D 0; >> mp->mnt_vfs_ops =3D 1; >> mp->mnt_rootvnode =3D NULL; >> return (0); >> } >>=20 >> author Konstantin Belousov 2025-06-02 07:05:06 = +0000 >>=20 >> committer Konstantin Belousov 2025-07-04 15:23:42 = +0000 >> commit ef6ea91593ebff73e2fc201efd9f848b71c5a125 (patch) >> tree 5f90f06e4b190a3a8fe9b5f3a016b69415d62a6d /sys/kern/vfs_mount.c >> parent f9cf745a5084dc0a38733db8e774252e4ed2f444 (diff) >>=20 >> VOP_RENAME: add mp-global lock >>=20 >> It is before all vnode locks, but after vn_start_write(). >>=20 >> The lock prevents parallel rename operations on the same mount point, >> which should in (near future) simplify a lot of code in VFS/fs that >> otherwise need to code with either the changing hierarchy, or with = the >> lock order for vnodes due to changed hierarchy. >>=20 >> On renames, the lock is taken on the lowest stacked filesystem. >> Otherwise rename could still occur in parallel, by performing one of = op >> on the lower fs. >>=20 >> Proposed by: mjg (long time ago) >> Reviewed by: markj, olce >> Tested by: pho >> Sponsored by: The FreeBSD Foundation >> MFC after: 1 week >> Differential revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D50648 >> . . . >>=20 >> The context here is not renaming activity, so my >> guess here is that the following may be in use >> in a wider range of contexts. >>=20 >> /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_lookup.c has: >>=20 >> static void >> nameicap_cleanup(struct nameidata *ndp, int error) >> { >> struct nameicap_tracker *nt, *nt1; >> struct mount *mp; >>=20 >> KASSERT((ndp->ni_nctrack_mnt =3D=3D NULL && >> TAILQ_EMPTY(&ndp->ni_cap_tracker)) || >> (ndp->ni_lcf & NI_LCF_CAP_DOTDOT) !=3D 0, >> ("tracker active and not strictrelative")); >>=20 >> TAILQ_FOREACH_SAFE(nt, &ndp->ni_cap_tracker, nm_link, nt1) { >> mp =3D nt->mp; >> lockmgr(&mp->mnt_renamelock, LK_RELEASE, 0); >> vfs_rel(mp); >> TAILQ_REMOVE(&ndp->ni_cap_tracker, nt, nm_link); >> free(nt, M_NAMEITRACKER); >> } >>=20 >> mp =3D ndp->ni_nctrack_mnt; >> if (mp !=3D NULL) { >> if (error =3D=3D ERESTART) { >> lockmgr(&mp->mnt_renamelock, LK_EXCLUSIVE, 0); >> lockmgr(&mp->mnt_renamelock, LK_RELEASE, 0); >> } >> vfs_rel(mp); >> ndp->ni_nctrack_mnt =3D NULL; >> } >> } >>=20 >> and it may be the source of the large number >> "rename" STATE processes that are all waiting >> on "rename" below, forcing 1 of 32 at a time >> for cpdup (32 poudriere builders). Later there >> is an example of cc also waiting on it when >> there is also cpdup activity waiting on it. >>=20 >>=20 >>>> . . . >>>> 80055 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4968Ki wait 31 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][06]: build_pkg = (boost-jam-1.88.0) (sh) >>>> 78347 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4624Ki rename 0 = 0:00 1.05% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 31 >>>> 78331 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 18 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][31]: build_pkg = (lua53-5.3.6_1) (sh) >>>> 77930 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4636Ki rename 29 = 0:00 1.02% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 30 >>>> 77912 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 25 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][30]: build_pkg = (libsunacl-1.0.1_1) (sh) >>>> 75398 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4628Ki rename 2 = 0:00 0.99% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 16 >>>> 75335 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 20 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][16]: build_pkg = (iwmbt-firmware-20250410) (sh) >>>> 75324 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4628Ki rename 24 = 0:00 1.04% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 19 >>>> 75308 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 24 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][19]: build_pkg = (lua54-5.4.8) (sh) >>>> 74963 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4624Ki rename 4 = 0:00 1.05% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 32 >>>> 74922 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 26 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][32]: build_pkg = (lzo2-2.10_1) (sh) >>>> 72722 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4776Ki rename 1 = 0:00 1.28% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 15 >>>> 72647 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 26 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][15]: build_pkg = (indexinfo-0.3.1_1) (sh) >>>> 71967 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4856Ki rename 30 = 0:00 1.48% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 25 >>>> 71917 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 1 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][25]: build_pkg = (mpg123-1.33.2) (sh) >>>> 71629 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4828Ki rename 31 = 0:00 1.61% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f=20 >>>> . . . >>>>=20 >>>> But I'll also see such on c compiles, ld commands, etc. I've >>>> not seen rename for pkg-static but I have seen flswai for it. >>>>=20 >>>> The system spends lots of time 95%+ idle from the wait >>>> activities. >>>>=20 >>>> I see such directly booted from the USB3 media (a 15.0-ALPHA4 >>>> context on UFS media) and when using that media via chroot >>>> from both ZFS and UFS boots that are not USB based. The ZFS >>>> and UFS boots do not show the behavior with the normal >>>> non-USB3 media used instead. >>>>=20 >>>> The system in use is an AMD 7950X3D with 32 FreeBSD cpus, >>>> 192 GiBytes of RAM. main 16 booting for non-USB boots >>>> and 15.0-ALPHA4 boots for the USB3 boots. kernel and >>>> world are via official pkgbase distribution installs: >>>> it is not a personal build of the kernel or world. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> More rename and flswai examples: >>>>=20 >>>> . . . >>>> 39320 183 nobody 59 0 171676Ki 160576Ki rename 29 = 0:00 2.17% cc -D_BLD_DLL -fPIC -D_BLD_ast -Os -Wno-unused-value = -Wno-parentheses -Wno-logical-op-parentheses -fno-strict-aliasing -I >>>> 62772 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3372Ki wait 25 = 0:00 0.04% mamake -C lib/libast install >>>> 12602 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3072Ki wait 17 = 0:00 0.00% mamake -r */* install >>>> 12600 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3076Ki wait 22 = 0:00 0.00% mamake install >>>> 12596 183 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2688Ki piperd 10 = 0:00 0.01% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh/work/ksh-1.0.10/arch/freebsd15.i386-64/lib/p= ackage/gen/make.out >>>> 8980 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3732Ki wait 6 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make >>>> 8977 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3436Ki wait 3 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makelMk4B8 >>>> 8929 183 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3872Ki wait 4 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh build >>>> 39327 179 nobody 59 0 105680Ki 93264Ki biowr 2 = 0:00 0.61% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker = /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o test = /usr/lib/crt >>>> 39325 179 nobody 59 0 165928Ki 155088Ki wait 17 = 0:00 1.00% /usr/bin/cc -o test ../test.o >>>> 39294 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3448Ki wait 10 = 0:00 0.01% sh = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/C/make/probe /usr/bin/cc PREROOT=3D'' UNIVER >>>> 39293 179 nobody 59 0 15264Ki 3704Ki piperd 19 = 0:00 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/probe C make /usr/bin/cc >>>> 39291 179 nobody 59 0 16344Ki 4960Ki wait 10 = 0:00 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e --ignorelock --keepgoing --errorid=3Dlib/libast >>>> 39290 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 12 = 0:00 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 >>>> 39258 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3452Ki piperd 0 = 0:00 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 >>>> 37014 179 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2692Ki piperd 30 = 0:00 0.00% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/pack= age/gen/make.out >>>> 37013 179 nobody 0 0 16728Ki 5320Ki select 14 = 0:00 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e -k -K recurse believe nmake >>>> 32949 179 nobody 13 0 14744Ki 4136Ki wait 31 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make ksh93 >>>> 32948 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 19 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makeW36tmB >>>> 32940 179 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3892Ki wait 21 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh93 build >>>> 32453 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5020Ki rename 22 = 0:03 0.47% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 26 >>>> 32420 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5024Ki rename 13 = 0:03 0.50% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 11 >>>> 32358 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5068Ki rename 26 = 0:03 0.53% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 20 >>>> 32333 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 11 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][26]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-numactl-libs-2.0.12_1) (sh) >>>> 32313 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 9 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][20]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-libaio-0.3.109) (sh) >>>> 32301 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 19 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][11]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-dosfstools-3.0.20) (sh) >>>> 13808 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4984Ki rename 4 = 0:03 0.57% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 19 >>>> 12316 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5072Ki biowr 27 = 0:03 0.56% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 13 >>>> 12283 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5068Ki rename 5 = 0:03 0.53% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 01 >>>> 12277 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5068Ki rename 28 = 0:03 0.54% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 14 >>>> 12096 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 27 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-def >>>> . . . >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> . . . >>>> 39927 183 nobody 59 0 171676Ki 160396Ki flswai 13 = 0:00 2.03% cc -D_BLD_DLL -fPIC -D_BLD_ast -Os -Wno-unused-value = -Wno-parentheses -Wno-logical-op-parentheses -fno-strict-aliasing -I >>>> 62772 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3400Ki wait 3 = 0:00 0.06% mamake -C lib/libast install >>>> 12602 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3072Ki wait 17 = 0:00 0.00% mamake -r */* install >>>> 12600 183 nobody 59 0 14376Ki 3076Ki wait 22 = 0:00 0.00% mamake install >>>> 12596 183 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2688Ki piperd 28 = 0:00 0.01% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh/work/ksh-1.0.10/arch/freebsd15.i386-64/lib/p= ackage/gen/make.out >>>> 8980 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3732Ki wait 6 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make >>>> 8977 183 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3436Ki wait 3 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makelMk4B8 >>>> 8929 183 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3872Ki wait 4 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh build >>>> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki flswai 20 = 0:00 0.60% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker = /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o = dynamic.exe /usr/ >>>> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 0 = 0:00 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker = /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o = dynamic.exe /usr/ >>>> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 13 = 0:00 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker = /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o = dynamic.exe /usr/ >>>> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 16 = 0:00 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker = /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o = dynamic.exe /usr/ >>>> 39924 179 nobody 59 0 125140Ki 95572Ki uwait 27 = 0:00 0.01% /usr/bin/ld --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker = /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-new-dtags -o = dynamic.exe /usr/ >>>> 39923 179 nobody 59 0 165928Ki 155092Ki wait 0 = 0:00 1.00% /usr/bin/cc -o dynamic.exe -dynamic dynamic.o >>>> 39294 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3464Ki wait 9 = 0:00 0.02% sh = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/C/make/probe /usr/bin/cc PREROOT=3D'' UNIVER >>>> 39293 179 nobody 59 0 15264Ki 3704Ki piperd 19 = 0:00 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/prob= e/probe C make /usr/bin/cc >>>> 39291 179 nobody 59 0 16344Ki 4960Ki wait 10 = 0:00 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e --ignorelock --keepgoing --errorid=3Dlib/libast >>>> 39290 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 12 = 0:00 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 >>>> 39258 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3452Ki piperd 0 = 0:00 0.00% sh /dev/fd/3 >>>> 37014 179 nobody 0 0 14068Ki 2692Ki piperd 30 = 0:00 0.00% tee -a = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/lib/pack= age/gen/make.out >>>> 37013 179 nobody 0 0 16728Ki 5320Ki select 14 = 0:00 0.00% = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/shells/ksh93/work/ast-93u/arch/freebsd16.amd64/bin/nmak= e -k -K recurse believe nmake >>>> 32949 179 nobody 13 0 14744Ki 4136Ki wait 31 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh bin/package flat make ksh93 >>>> 32948 179 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3444Ki wait 19 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makeW36tmB >>>> 32940 179 nobody 59 0 14288Ki 3892Ki wait 21 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/shells/ksh93 build >>>> 32453 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5020Ki flswai 17 = 0:03 2.82% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 26 >>>> 32420 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 5024Ki flswai 25 = 0:03 2.81% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 11 >>>> 32358 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 5068Ki flswai 14 = 0:03 2.79% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 20 >>>> 32333 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 11 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][26]: build_pkg = (linux-c7-numactl-libs-2.0.12_1) (sh) >>>> 32313 0 root 59 0 16872Ki >>>> . . . >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> . . . >>>> 53486 185 root 0 0 66428Ki 34196Ki getblk 25 = 0:01 0.26% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>>> 53485 185 root 59 0 23308Ki 12024Ki wait 0 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>>> 53446 185 root 59 0 14744Ki 3504Ki wait 11 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh >>>> 53445 185 root 59 0 14284Ki 3828Ki wait 1 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/textproc/p5-YAML-Tiny = build-depends >>>> 96359 183 root 0 0 66428Ki 34196Ki flswai 31 = 0:00 1.43% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>>> 96358 183 root 59 0 23308Ki 12020Ki wait 29 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>>> 96331 183 root 59 0 14744Ki 3504Ki wait 5 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh >>>> 96330 183 root 59 0 14284Ki 3860Ki wait 27 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2 = patch-depends >>>> 9658 170 nobody 59 0 14224Ki 2852Ki flswai 3 = 0:00 0.02% install -m 0644 ./libcdio.info = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/sysutils/libcdio/work/stage/usr/local/share/info >>>> 9652 170 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3420Ki wait 2 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh -c srcdirstrip=3D`echo "." | sed 's|.|.|g'`; = \\\nlist=3D'./libcdio.info'; test -n "/usr/local/share/info" || list=3D; = \ >>>> 9643 170 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3420Ki wait 8 = 0:00 0.03% /bin/sh -c srcdirstrip=3D`echo "." | sed 's|.|.|g'`; = \\\nlist=3D'./libcdio.info'; test -n "/usr/local/share/info" || list=3D; = \ >>>> 9642 170 nobody 59 0 14776Ki 3652Ki wait 21 = 0:00 0.04% /usr/local/bin/gmake install-exec-am install-data-am >>>> 9641 170 nobody 59 0 14776Ki 3632Ki wait 3 = 0:00 0.04% /usr/local/bin/gmake install >>>> 9636 170 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3424Ki wait 15 = 0:00 0.03% /bin/sh -c fail=3D; \\\nif (target_option=3Dk; case = ${target_option-} in ?) ;; *) echo "am__make_running_with_option: = interna >>>> 9635 170 nobody 59 0 14776Ki 3708Ki wait 0 = 0:00 0.06% /usr/local/bin/gmake INSTALL_PROGRAM=3D/bin/sh = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/sysutils/libcdio/work/libcdio-2.2.0/install-sh -c -s = inst >>>> 9634 170 nobody 59 0 14776Ki 3680Ki wait 29 = 0:00 0.08% /usr/local/bin/gmake -f Makefile = DESTDIR=3D/wrkdirs/usr/ports/sysutils/libcdio/work/stage install-strip >>>> 9633 170 nobody 59 0 14744Ki 3428Ki wait 13 = 0:00 0.02% /bin/sh -e /tmp/makeOENiKj >>>> 9611 170 nobody 59 0 16848Ki 3876Ki wait 21 = 0:00 0.22% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/sysutils/libcdio stage >>>> 51574 158 root 0 0 74620Ki 34184Ki flswai 20 = 0:01 0.28% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>>> 51573 158 root 59 0 23308Ki 12020Ki wait 20 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>>> 51547 158 root 59 0 14744Ki 3512Ki wait 18 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh >>>> 51545 158 root 59 0 14284Ki 3852Ki wait 27 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/textproc/hyphen build-depends >>>> 56591 157 root 0 0 66428Ki 34184Ki getblk 17 = 0:01 0.25% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>>> 56590 157 root 59 0 23308Ki 12024Ki wait 12 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>>> 56528 157 root 59 0 14744Ki 3504Ki wait 28 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh >>>> 56469 157 root 59 0 14284Ki 3832Ki wait 4 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/converters/p5-MIME-Base32 = build-depends >>>> 56593 155 root 0 0 66428Ki 34188Ki getblk 8 = 0:01 0.26% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>>> 56592 155 root 59 0 23308Ki 12024Ki wait 4 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>>> 56559 155 root 59 0 14744Ki 3508Ki wait 18 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh >>>> 56532 155 root 59 0 14284Ki 3828Ki wait 13 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/devel/p5-Parse-Yapp = build-depends >>>> 52781 145 root 0 0 74620Ki 34244Ki flswai 12 = 0:01 0.25% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>>> 52780 145 root 59 0 23308Ki 12024Ki wait 22 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static add -A = /packages/All/perl5-5.42.0_1.pkg >>>> 52753 145 root 59 0 14744Ki 3508Ki wait 24 = 0:00 0.00% /bin/sh /usr/ports/Mk/Scripts/do-depends.sh >>>> 52749 145 root 59 0 14284Ki 3824Ki wait 21 = 0:00 0.00% /usr/bin/make -C /usr/ports/converters/p5-JSON = build-depends >>>> 9610 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4972Ki wait 14 = 0:00 0.01% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][14]: build_pkg = (libcdio-2.2.0) (sh) >>>> 99560 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 4860Ki flswai 15 = 0:00 2.82% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 01 >>>> 99539 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 10 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][01]: build_pkg = (texi2html-5.0_5,1) (sh) >>>> 98112 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 4828Ki flswai 19 = 0:00 3.47% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 28 >>>> 98096 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 31 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][28]: build_pkg = (gdbm-1.26) (sh) >>>> 97694 0 root 1 0 20976Ki 4844Ki flswai 7 = 0:01 2.51% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 27 >>>> 97665 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 0 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][27]: build_pkg = (sudo-1.9.17p2) (sh) >>>> 96108 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 4800Ki flswai 29 = 0:01 3.06% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 19 >>>> 96091 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 31 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][19]: build_pkg = (libgpg-error-1.55) (sh) >>>> 93884 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5064Ki flswai 19 = 0:01 2.43% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 26 >>>> 93857 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 16 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][26]: build_pkg = (libxml2-2.14.5) (sh) >>>> 93271 0 root 0 0 20976Ki 5224Ki flswai 5 = 0:01 2.38% cpdup -i0 -s0 -f -x ref 12 >>>> 93212 0 root 59 0 16872Ki 4960Ki wait 11 = 0:00 0.00% sh: poudriere[official-amd64-default][12]: 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TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-snapshots@freebsd.org,freebsd-stable@freebsd.org,freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[interia.pl]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[interia.pl:+]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cc7J55T1wz42Wk Hi, I also just tested the 'online' install of PKGBASE and noticed one thing. In the 'Offline' install the pkg(8) is bootstrapped. In the 'Online' install the pkg(8) is NOT bootstrapped. Its not a problem for 'Online' install - as it may be bootstrapped later ... but as 'Online' install does fetch and install all PKGBASE packages for FreeBSD Base System - it would not hurt to also bootstrap pkg(8) here. Regards, vermaden Temat: Re: FreeBSD 15.0-ALPHA4 Now Available Data: 2025-09-28 20:17 Nadawca: "vermaden" <vermaden@interia.pl> Adresat: "FreeBSD Release Engineering Team" <re@FreeBSD.org>; "freebsd-snapshots@FreeBSD.org" <freebsd-snapshots@FreeBSD.org>; "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org" <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org>; DW: "FreeBSD Release Engineering Team" <re@FreeBSD.org>; "freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org" <freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org>; > > > Hi, > > some additional info. > > After bsdinstall(8) fails - and asks for new 'try' to is not able to do anything with that error: > > +-------------|Error|-------------+ > | No disk(s) present to configure | > +---------------------------------+ > | [ OK ] | > +---------------------------------+ > > The disk - needs to be cleaned after fail operation - for example like that: > - https://github.com/vermaden/scripts/blob/master/storage-wipe-clean.sh > > Also - I made another test installation and I am able to install FreeBSD on ZFS with only 300 MB of RAM. > > Boot: continue with 'vt100' default. > > Select 'Live System' option. > > Execute these: > > root@:~ # kldload zfs > ZFS filesystem version: 5 > ZFS storage pool version: features support (5000) > > root@:~ # sysctl vfs.zfs.arc.min=33554432 > vfs.zfs.arc.min: 0 -> 33554432 > > root@:~ # sysctl vfs.zfs.arc.max=67108864 > vfs.zfs.arc.max: 0 -> 67108864 > > root@:~ # sysctl vm.pageout_oom_seq=1200 > vm.pageout_oom_seq: 12 -> 1200 > > root@:~ # bsdinstall > > I selected PKGBASE and Offline installation. > > Then I switched from (BIOS) to (BIOS+UEFI) and installed these System Components: > [X] base The complete base system (includes devel) > > Stats after install (before reboot): > > root@:/ # dmesg | grep -i memory > real memory = 314572800 (300 MB) > avail memory = 263303168 (251 MB) > > root@:/ # top -b -o res > last pid: 2544; load averages: 1.31, 0.80, 0.34 up 0+00:02:20 18:02:03 > 10 processes: 1 running, 9 sleeping > CPU: 7.8% user, 0.0% nice, 16.7% system, 12.1% interrupt, 63.4% idle > Mem: 3588K Active, 11M Inact, 6376K Laundry, 148M Wired, 5800K Buf, 89M Free > ARC: 47M Total, 2667K MFU, 38M MRU, 128K Anon, 294K Header, 6515K Other > 29M Compressed, 65M Uncompressed, 2.24:1 Ratio > > I tried the same with 256MB of RAM - but it fails. > > > About that '^H' problem - in vt100 mode when I hit [ENTER] key to change ZFS options I do: > - hit [LEFT] arrow as many times to be in that place: > >>< > -o compression=on -o atime=off > > Then I hit [BACKSPACE] key two times so its like that: > >>< > -o compression= -o atime=off > > Then i type [Z][S][T][D] so it looks like that: > >>< > -o compression=zstd -o atime=off > > ... and I hit [ENTER]. > > > > Hope that helps. > > Regards, > vermaden > > > > Temat: Re: FreeBSD 15.0-ALPHA4 Now Available > Data: 2025-09-28 0:49 > Nadawca: "vermaden" <vermaden@interia.pl> > Adresat: "FreeBSD Release Engineering Team" <re@FreeBSD.org>; "freebsd-snapshots@FreeBSD.org" <freebsd-snapshots@FreeBSD.org>; "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org" <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org>; > DW: "FreeBSD Release Engineering Team" <re@FreeBSD.org>; freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org; > >> >> > Hi. >> >> Just tested FreeBSD 15.0-ALPHA4 inside Bhyve 1 vCPU and 512MB vRAM. >> >> Installs properly and pkg(8) is bootstrapped after install - good >> to see progress in right direction here - thanks. >> >> I also tried to do the same with 1 vCPU and 'vm-bhyve' default >> 256MB vRAM ... and that one fails due to lack of RAM. >> >> Options chosen: >> - BIOS+GELI >> - PKGBASE >> - Only Offline Packages >> >> The 256MB vRAM install fails for both '12' and '120': >> - vm.pageout_oom_seq: 12 >> - vm.pageout_oom_seq: 120 >> >> One thing that 'bothers' me - is that at first boot installer >> asks what TERM I want - I typed 'xterm' there. >> >> I would make 'xterm' the default unless user specifies >> otherwise ... but maybe I miss something? >> >> Now - after selecting 'xterm' I selected 'Live System' - then >> set 'vm.pageout_oom_seq=120' and executed 'bsdinstall' >> command - but this time > - even as I selected 'xterm' at the beginning - it starts with 'vt100' mode > - the 'xterm' (or any other) should be PRESERVED in subsequent >> tasks/executions. >> >> Also ... after I started that bsdinstall(8) again - this time in >> 'vt100' mode - I was unable to change the ZFS options from >> 'compression=on' to 'compression=zstd' because probably some >> escape sequences (or ^H) were not handled properly and bsdinstall(8) >> complained that 'compression' option supports only >> ${LIST_OF_SUPPORTED_COMPRESSION_ALGOS} ... >> >> Hope that helps, >> vermaden >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Temat: FreeBSD 15.0-ALPHA4 Now Available >> Data: 2025-09-27 22:34 >> Nadawca: "Colin Percival" <cperciva@FreeBSD.org> >> Adresat: freebsd-snapshots@FreeBSD.org; 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charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable vermaden wrote in : > I also just tested the 'online' install of PKGBASE and noticed one thing. >=20 > In the 'Offline' install the pkg(8) is bootstrapped. >=20 > In the 'Online' install the pkg(8) is NOT bootstrapped. it will be bootstrapped if it's in the repository; the problem right now is it's in the offline repository (that we provide on the media) but it's not in the base repository on pkg.freebsd.org, which is what the online install uses. this should be fixed at some point before release, since re@ will build a new re-managed base repository that will include pkg. --81xS1bre/hD3VYEb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYKAB0WIQSyjTg96lp3RifySyn1nT63mIK/YAUCaNzoBAAKCRD1nT63mIK/ YF5AAP9OQ+0O/QCtc60QRxdoJlkei6lxNwHEc9I2t9dhowP3FwEArFhlrKIlhYY8 vosx+5/8Sz4Qj/ktKPajft6iyZMJlwM= =ueHf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --81xS1bre/hD3VYEb-- From nobody Wed Oct 1 10:14:28 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cc9lB4pnKz69Kq5 for ; 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This has never been true. You can easily run FreeBSD with ZFS root on the smallest DigitalOcean droplets (1 vCPU, 1 GB RAM, 10 GB storage). I've been doing just that since 2017 when those same droplets came with only 512 MB RAM. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 11d7cd582ea6cd03d87914bac68fb0d0; Fri, 03 Oct 2025 03:45:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: main 16 and 15.0-ALPHA4 [on amd64]: using a USB3 context gets extensive "flswai" [and "rename"] STATE time during poudriere builds (UFS context happens to be in use); more Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2025 20:45:07 -0700 References: <46E0F6E8-A365-4C01-BFF8-CE2423B6DA00@yahoo.com> <4D74D446-2078-4A5F-B245-913273E2DDD1@yahoo.com> <03B6ABBE-DF0B-441F-9ABD-5565ADBF29ED@yahoo.com> To: FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List In-Reply-To: <03B6ABBE-DF0B-441F-9ABD-5565ADBF29ED@yahoo.com> Message-Id: <93873756-54C8-4408-9395-5E67F0300D5E@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.148:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.148:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cdF1G5KNtz3HZh On Sep 30, 2025, at 20:43, Mark Millard wrote: > [The new material here ends up being about nameicap_cleanup > and its exclusive use of mnt_renamelock being one potential > bottleneck involved here. I make no claim it has anything to > do with the flswai activity reported. The possible > bottleneck is an observation, not something that I claim > there is any alternative to. I do not know if this is of any > interest or not.] >=20 > On Sep 29, 2025, at 16:06, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> On Sep 29, 2025, at 13:01, Mark Millard wrote: >>=20 >>> An example is during the cpdup activities when multiple happen >>> in overlappingtime frames: >>=20 >> I'll note that I see this on the amd64 32-FreeBSD-cpu system >> but not on the aarch64 8-FreeBSD-cpu Windows Dev Kit 2023 >> system. May be at some point I'll try the older 16-FreeBSD-cpu >> aarch64 (Cortex-A72) system. >>=20 >> Also, on the 7950X3D amd74 system, I see the behavior with >> 14.3-Stable. Apparently, this is not new with 15+. It has >> been a long time since I'd tried using an amd64 system for >> such activity based on using USB3 media. But it has been >> common for me for aarch64 over that time frame. >>=20 >>> . . . >>> . . .=20 >=20 > . . . >=20 >=20 >>> . . . >>> . . . >>>=20 >>> But I'll also see such on c compiles, ld commands, etc. I've >>> not seen rename for pkg-static but I have seen flswai for it. >>>=20 >>> The system spends lots of time 95%+ idle from the wait >>> activities. >>>=20 >>> I see such directly booted from the USB3 media (a 15.0-ALPHA4 >>> context on UFS media) and when using that media via chroot >>> from both ZFS and UFS boots that are not USB based. The ZFS >>> and UFS boots do not show the behavior with the normal >>> non-USB3 media used instead. >>>=20 >>> The system in use is an AMD 7950X3D with 32 FreeBSD cpus, >>> 192 GiBytes of RAM. main 16 booting for non-USB boots >>> and 15.0-ALPHA4 boots for the USB3 boots. kernel and >>> world are via official pkgbase distribution installs: >>> it is not a personal build of the kernel or world. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> . . . >>> . . . I got a test context were I could compare the same media used on the same USB4 port on a laptop (Dell Precision 5490, 22 FreeBSD cpus, 32 GiBytes RAM, 4 USB4 ports), where, on boot, the media ends up being handled as either: ) "nda0 at nvme0" (via involving a Thunderbolt 3 hub) ) "da0" (via a direct connection) (The UEFI/ACPI does enough to make basic operation work, presenting some view to FreeBSD for media on USB4 ports.) Both have the bottlenecks visible when monitored with top, both "flswai" and "rename" examples occur in both contexts. But "nda0 at nvme0" bottleneck periods do not last nearly as long as "da0" bottleneck periods do, making "nda0 at nvme0" use much more reasonable for the type of activity. Still, this eliminates the possibility that the issue was limited to USB. It also eliminates it being specific to the prior AMD (7950X3D) test context. For reference: # uname -apKU FreeBSD USB4sys 16.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT = main-n280801-213170eb956f GENERIC-NODEBUG amd64 amd64 1600001 1600001 (It is from official pkgbase distribution use, a copy of another boot media with some parameters replaced afterwards.) QUOTE CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) Ultra 7 165H (3072.00-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin=3D"GenuineIntel" Id=3D0xa06a4 Family=3D0x6 Model=3D0xaa = Stepping=3D4 . . . WARNING: L3 data cache covers more APIC IDs than a package (6 > 3) FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 22 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: Non-uniform topology END QUOTE (The internal NVMe media has Dell's ubuntu on it.) 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 613b1ea9275cd65462b25bf7fccfe066; Fri, 03 Oct 2025 03:45:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: main 16 and 15.0-ALPHA4 [on amd64]: using a USB3 context gets extensive "flswai" [and "rename"] STATE time during poudriere builds (UFS context happens to be in use); more Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2025 20:45:07 -0700 References: <46E0F6E8-A365-4C01-BFF8-CE2423B6DA00@yahoo.com> <4D74D446-2078-4A5F-B245-913273E2DDD1@yahoo.com> <03B6ABBE-DF0B-441F-9ABD-5565ADBF29ED@yahoo.com> To: FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List In-Reply-To: <03B6ABBE-DF0B-441F-9ABD-5565ADBF29ED@yahoo.com> Message-Id: <93873756-54C8-4408-9395-5E67F0300D5E@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.69.148:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.69.148:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cdF1M57CVz3HVr On Sep 30, 2025, at 20:43, Mark Millard wrote: > [The new material here ends up being about nameicap_cleanup > and its exclusive use of mnt_renamelock being one potential > bottleneck involved here. I make no claim it has anything to > do with the flswai activity reported. The possible > bottleneck is an observation, not something that I claim > there is any alternative to. I do not know if this is of any > interest or not.] >=20 > On Sep 29, 2025, at 16:06, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> On Sep 29, 2025, at 13:01, Mark Millard wrote: >>=20 >>> An example is during the cpdup activities when multiple happen >>> in overlappingtime frames: >>=20 >> I'll note that I see this on the amd64 32-FreeBSD-cpu system >> but not on the aarch64 8-FreeBSD-cpu Windows Dev Kit 2023 >> system. May be at some point I'll try the older 16-FreeBSD-cpu >> aarch64 (Cortex-A72) system. >>=20 >> Also, on the 7950X3D amd74 system, I see the behavior with >> 14.3-Stable. Apparently, this is not new with 15+. It has >> been a long time since I'd tried using an amd64 system for >> such activity based on using USB3 media. But it has been >> common for me for aarch64 over that time frame. >>=20 >>> . . . >>> . . .=20 >=20 > . . . >=20 >=20 >>> . . . >>> . . . >>>=20 >>> But I'll also see such on c compiles, ld commands, etc. I've >>> not seen rename for pkg-static but I have seen flswai for it. >>>=20 >>> The system spends lots of time 95%+ idle from the wait >>> activities. >>>=20 >>> I see such directly booted from the USB3 media (a 15.0-ALPHA4 >>> context on UFS media) and when using that media via chroot >>> from both ZFS and UFS boots that are not USB based. The ZFS >>> and UFS boots do not show the behavior with the normal >>> non-USB3 media used instead. >>>=20 >>> The system in use is an AMD 7950X3D with 32 FreeBSD cpus, >>> 192 GiBytes of RAM. main 16 booting for non-USB boots >>> and 15.0-ALPHA4 boots for the USB3 boots. kernel and >>> world are via official pkgbase distribution installs: >>> it is not a personal build of the kernel or world. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> . . . >>> . . . I got a test context were I could compare the same media used on the same USB4 port on a laptop (Dell Precision 5490, 22 FreeBSD cpus, 32 GiBytes RAM, 4 USB4 ports), where, on boot, the media ends up being handled as either: ) "nda0 at nvme0" (via involving a Thunderbolt 3 hub) ) "da0" (via a direct connection) (The UEFI/ACPI does enough to make basic operation work, presenting some view to FreeBSD for media on USB4 ports.) Both have the bottlenecks visible when monitored with top, both "flswai" and "rename" examples occur in both contexts. But "nda0 at nvme0" bottleneck periods do not last nearly as long as "da0" bottleneck periods do, making "nda0 at nvme0" use much more reasonable for the type of activity. Still, this eliminates the possibility that the issue was limited to USB. It also eliminates it being specific to the prior AMD (7950X3D) test context. For reference: # uname -apKU FreeBSD USB4sys 16.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT = main-n280801-213170eb956f GENERIC-NODEBUG amd64 amd64 1600001 1600001 (It is from official pkgbase distribution use, a copy of another boot media with some parameters replaced afterwards.) QUOTE CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) Ultra 7 165H (3072.00-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin=3D"GenuineIntel" Id=3D0xa06a4 Family=3D0x6 Model=3D0xaa = Stepping=3D4 . . . WARNING: L3 data cache covers more APIC IDs than a package (6 > 3) FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 22 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: Non-uniform topology END QUOTE (The internal NVMe media has Dell's ubuntu on it.) 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID cea828e41377dfa2eed20dfadb154b2e; Fri, 03 Oct 2025 04:43:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: main 16 and 15.0-ALPHA4 [on amd64]: using a USB3 context gets extensive "flswai" [and "rename"] STATE time during poudriere builds (UFS context happens to be in use); more Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2025 21:43:45 -0700 References: <46E0F6E8-A365-4C01-BFF8-CE2423B6DA00@yahoo.com> <4D74D446-2078-4A5F-B245-913273E2DDD1@yahoo.com> <03B6ABBE-DF0B-441F-9ABD-5565ADBF29ED@yahoo.com> <93873756-54C8-4408-9395-5E67F0300D5E@yahoo.com> To: FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List In-Reply-To: <93873756-54C8-4408-9395-5E67F0300D5E@yahoo.com> Message-Id: <9204210A-E61D-4C5D-823B-878848698847@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.86 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.856]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.69.206:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.69.206:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cdGJn4Y27z3W5k On Oct 2, 2025, at 20:45, Mark Millard wrote: > On Sep 30, 2025, at 20:43, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> [The new material here ends up being about nameicap_cleanup >> and its exclusive use of mnt_renamelock being one potential >> bottleneck involved here. I make no claim it has anything to >> do with the flswai activity reported. The possible >> bottleneck is an observation, not something that I claim >> there is any alternative to. I do not know if this is of any >> interest or not.] >>=20 >> On Sep 29, 2025, at 16:06, Mark Millard wrote: >>=20 >>> On Sep 29, 2025, at 13:01, Mark Millard wrote: >>>=20 >>>> An example is during the cpdup activities when multiple happen >>>> in overlappingtime frames: >>>=20 >>> I'll note that I see this on the amd64 32-FreeBSD-cpu system >>> but not on the aarch64 8-FreeBSD-cpu Windows Dev Kit 2023 >>> system. May be at some point I'll try the older 16-FreeBSD-cpu >>> aarch64 (Cortex-A72) system. >>>=20 >>> Also, on the 7950X3D amd74 system, I see the behavior with >>> 14.3-Stable. Apparently, this is not new with 15+. It has >>> been a long time since I'd tried using an amd64 system for >>> such activity based on using USB3 media. But it has been >>> common for me for aarch64 over that time frame. >>>=20 >>>> . . . >>>> . . . >>=20 >> . . . >>=20 >>=20 >>>> . . . >>>> . . . >>>>=20 >>>> But I'll also see such on c compiles, ld commands, etc. I've >>>> not seen rename for pkg-static but I have seen flswai for it. >>>>=20 >>>> The system spends lots of time 95%+ idle from the wait >>>> activities. >>>>=20 >>>> I see such directly booted from the USB3 media (a 15.0-ALPHA4 >>>> context on UFS media) and when using that media via chroot >>>> from both ZFS and UFS boots that are not USB based. The ZFS >>>> and UFS boots do not show the behavior with the normal >>>> non-USB3 media used instead. >>>>=20 >>>> The system in use is an AMD 7950X3D with 32 FreeBSD cpus, >>>> 192 GiBytes of RAM. main 16 booting for non-USB boots >>>> and 15.0-ALPHA4 boots for the USB3 boots. kernel and >>>> world are via official pkgbase distribution installs: >>>> it is not a personal build of the kernel or world. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> . . . >>>> . . . >=20 > I got a test context were I could compare the same > media used on the same USB4 port on a laptop > (Dell Precision 5490, 22 FreeBSD cpus, 32 GiBytes > RAM, 4 USB4 ports), where, on boot, the media ends > up being handled as either: >=20 > ) "nda0 at nvme0" (via involving a Thunderbolt 3 hub) > ) "da0" (via a direct connection) >=20 > (The UEFI/ACPI does enough to make basic operation > work, presenting some view to FreeBSD for media on > USB4 ports.) >=20 > Both have the bottlenecks visible when monitored with > top, both "flswai" and "rename" examples occur in > both contexts. >=20 > But "nda0 at nvme0" bottleneck periods do not last > nearly as long as "da0" bottleneck periods do, making > "nda0 at nvme0" use much more reasonable for the > type of activity. >=20 > Still, this eliminates the possibility that the issue > was limited to USB. It also eliminates it being > specific to the prior AMD (7950X3D) test context. >=20 >=20 > For reference: >=20 > # uname -apKU > FreeBSD USB4sys 16.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT = main-n280801-213170eb956f GENERIC-NODEBUG amd64 amd64 1600001 1600001 >=20 > (It is from official pkgbase distribution use, a > copy of another boot media with some parameters > replaced afterwards.) >=20 > QUOTE > CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) Ultra 7 165H (3072.00-MHz K8-class CPU) > Origin=3D"GenuineIntel" Id=3D0xa06a4 Family=3D0x6 Model=3D0xaa = Stepping=3D4 > . . . > WARNING: L3 data cache covers more APIC IDs than a package (6 > 3) > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 22 CPUs > FreeBSD/SMP: Non-uniform topology > END QUOTE >=20 > (The internal NVMe media has Dell's ubuntu on it.) >=20 >=20 > Note: > Ignoring very old Intel MacBook Pro's and Mac Mini > 2018's, none of which I've ever native-booted FreeBSD > on, the Dell P. 5490 is the only Thunderbolt or USB4 > based system that I've access to. I've discovered what is tied to the flswai/rename: Soft Updates had been enabled. Disabling Soft Updates leads to biowr and getblk as what shows for the bottleneck. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID fca2409c47e329d5facab27dd3e6164a; Sun, 05 Oct 2025 05:21:59 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: main 16 and 15.0-ALPHA4 [on amd64]: using a USB3 context gets extensive "flswai" [and "rename"] STATE time during poudriere builds (UFS context happens to be in use); more Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2025 22:21:48 -0700 References: <46E0F6E8-A365-4C01-BFF8-CE2423B6DA00@yahoo.com> <4D74D446-2078-4A5F-B245-913273E2DDD1@yahoo.com> <03B6ABBE-DF0B-441F-9ABD-5565ADBF29ED@yahoo.com> <93873756-54C8-4408-9395-5E67F0300D5E@yahoo.com> <9204210A-E61D-4C5D-823B-878848698847@yahoo.com> To: FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List In-Reply-To: <9204210A-E61D-4C5D-823B-878848698847@yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.86 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.861]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.84:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.84:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cfW3v353tz45Sw On Oct 2, 2025, at 21:43, Mark Millard wrote: > On Oct 2, 2025, at 20:45, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> On Sep 30, 2025, at 20:43, Mark Millard wrote: >>=20 >>> [The new material here ends up being about nameicap_cleanup >>> and its exclusive use of mnt_renamelock being one potential >>> bottleneck involved here. I make no claim it has anything to >>> do with the flswai activity reported. The possible >>> bottleneck is an observation, not something that I claim >>> there is any alternative to. I do not know if this is of any >>> interest or not.] >>>=20 >>> On Sep 29, 2025, at 16:06, Mark Millard wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On Sep 29, 2025, at 13:01, Mark Millard wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> An example is during the cpdup activities when multiple happen >>>>> in overlappingtime frames: >>>>=20 >>>> I'll note that I see this on the amd64 32-FreeBSD-cpu system >>>> but not on the aarch64 8-FreeBSD-cpu Windows Dev Kit 2023 >>>> system. May be at some point I'll try the older 16-FreeBSD-cpu >>>> aarch64 (Cortex-A72) system. >>>>=20 >>>> Also, on the 7950X3D amd74 system, I see the behavior with >>>> 14.3-Stable. Apparently, this is not new with 15+. It has >>>> been a long time since I'd tried using an amd64 system for >>>> such activity based on using USB3 media. But it has been >>>> common for me for aarch64 over that time frame. >>>>=20 >>>>> . . . >>>>> . . . >>>=20 >>> . . . >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>>> . . . >>>>> . . . >>>>>=20 >>>>> But I'll also see such on c compiles, ld commands, etc. I've >>>>> not seen rename for pkg-static but I have seen flswai for it. >>>>>=20 >>>>> The system spends lots of time 95%+ idle from the wait >>>>> activities. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I see such directly booted from the USB3 media (a 15.0-ALPHA4 >>>>> context on UFS media) and when using that media via chroot >>>>> from both ZFS and UFS boots that are not USB based. The ZFS >>>>> and UFS boots do not show the behavior with the normal >>>>> non-USB3 media used instead. >>>>>=20 >>>>> The system in use is an AMD 7950X3D with 32 FreeBSD cpus, >>>>> 192 GiBytes of RAM. main 16 booting for non-USB boots >>>>> and 15.0-ALPHA4 boots for the USB3 boots. kernel and >>>>> world are via official pkgbase distribution installs: >>>>> it is not a personal build of the kernel or world. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> . . . >>>>> . . . >>=20 >> I got a test context were I could compare the same >> media used on the same USB4 port on a laptop >> (Dell Precision 5490, 22 FreeBSD cpus, 32 GiBytes >> RAM, 4 USB4 ports), where, on boot, the media ends >> up being handled as either: >>=20 >> ) "nda0 at nvme0" (via involving a Thunderbolt 3 hub) >> ) "da0" (via a direct connection) >>=20 >> (The UEFI/ACPI does enough to make basic operation >> work, presenting some view to FreeBSD for media on >> USB4 ports.) >>=20 >> Both have the bottlenecks visible when monitored with >> top, both "flswai" and "rename" examples occur in >> both contexts. >>=20 >> But "nda0 at nvme0" bottleneck periods do not last >> nearly as long as "da0" bottleneck periods do, making >> "nda0 at nvme0" use much more reasonable for the >> type of activity. >>=20 >> Still, this eliminates the possibility that the issue >> was limited to USB. It also eliminates it being >> specific to the prior AMD (7950X3D) test context. >>=20 >>=20 >> For reference: >>=20 >> # uname -apKU >> FreeBSD USB4sys 16.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT = main-n280801-213170eb956f GENERIC-NODEBUG amd64 amd64 1600001 1600001 >>=20 >> (It is from official pkgbase distribution use, a >> copy of another boot media with some parameters >> replaced afterwards.) >>=20 >> QUOTE >> CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) Ultra 7 165H (3072.00-MHz K8-class CPU) >> Origin=3D"GenuineIntel" Id=3D0xa06a4 Family=3D0x6 Model=3D0xaa = Stepping=3D4 >> . . . >> WARNING: L3 data cache covers more APIC IDs than a package (6 > 3) >> FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 22 CPUs >> FreeBSD/SMP: Non-uniform topology >> END QUOTE >>=20 >> (The internal NVMe media has Dell's ubuntu on it.) >>=20 >>=20 >> Note: >> Ignoring very old Intel MacBook Pro's and Mac Mini >> 2018's, none of which I've ever native-booted FreeBSD >> on, the Dell P. 5490 is the only Thunderbolt or USB4 >> based system that I've access to. >=20 > I've discovered what is tied to the flswai/rename: > Soft Updates had been enabled. Disabling Soft Updates > leads to biowr and getblk as what shows for the > bottleneck. (There is still a bottleneck.) >=20 An FYI showing what can happen for the 32 FreeBSD cpu USB3-based test context. The below occurred later, after the initial bottleneck sequence when the jails are being filling in via cpdup of the ref (for UFS context via chrooting into it to then start the build): # uname -apKU FreeBSD 7950X3D-ZFS 16.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT = main-n280910-85531add2844 GENERIC-NODEBUG amd64 amd64 1600001 1500066 [00:18:54] [official-amd64-default] [2025-10-04_21h23m47s] = [parallel_build] Time: 00:17:58 Queued: 693 Inspected: 0 Ignored: 0 Built: 33 Failed: 0 = Skipped: 0 Fetched: 0 Remaining: 660 ID TOTAL ORIGIN PKGNAME = PHASE TIME TMPFS CPU% MEM% [29] 00:08:55 databases/lmdb | lmdb-0.9.33,1 = starting 00:08:55 =20 [01] 00:02:53 graphics/libpotrace | libpotrace-1.16 = starting 00:02:53 =20 [15] 00:07:37 archivers/lzo2 | lzo2-2.10_1 = starting 00:07:37 =20 [30] 00:07:22 lang/lua53 | lua53-5.3.6_1 = starting 00:07:22 =20 [02] 00:07:51 devel/libmtdev | libmtdev-1.1.7 = starting 00:07:51 =20 [16] 00:07:35 lang/lua54 | lua54-5.4.8 = starting 00:07:35 =20 [31] 00:07:27 sysutils/libsunacl | libsunacl-1.0.1_1 = starting 00:07:27 =20 [03] 00:08:07 sysutils/dmidecode | dmidecode-3.6 = starting 00:08:07 =20 [17] 00:08:33 x11/xorgproto | xorgproto-2024.1 = starting 00:08:33 =20 [32] 00:07:38 print/indexinfo | indexinfo-0.3.1_1 = starting 00:07:38 =20 [04] 00:06:18 devel/libdatrie | libdatrie-0.2.13_2 = starting 00:06:18 =20 [18] 00:07:52 shells/bash-completion-freebsd | = bash-completion-freebsd-1.4.0 starting 00:07:52 =20 [05] 00:08:22 audio/libvorbis | libvorbis-1.3.7_2,3 = starting 00:08:22 =20 [19] 00:07:34 comms/iwmbt-firmware | iwmbt-firmware-20250410 = starting 00:07:34 =20 [06] 00:04:56 sysutils/sdparm | sdparm-1.12_1 = starting 00:04:56 =20 [20] 00:08:01 shells/ksh93 | ksh93-93.u_4,2 = starting 00:08:01 =20 [07] 00:08:02 textproc/sdocbook-xml | sdocbook-xml-1.1_2,2 = starting 00:08:02 =20 [21] 00:08:49 archivers/libmspack | libmspack-0.11alpha = starting 00:08:49 =20 [08] 00:08:23 benchmarks/iperf3 | iperf3-3.19.1 = starting 00:08:23 =20 [22] 00:08:01 textproc/xmlcharent | xmlcharent-0.3_2 = starting 00:08:01 =20 [09] 00:08:03 devel/pkgconf | pkgconf-2.4.3,1 = starting 00:08:03 =20 [23] 00:08:15 lang/perl5.42 | perl5-5.42.0_1 = starting 00:08:15 =20 [10] 00:08:16 devel/opencl | opencl-3.0.19 = starting 00:08:16 =20 [24] 00:08:11 benchmarks/bonnie | bonnie-2.0.6_2 = starting 00:08:11 =20 [11] 00:08:45 security/easy-rsa | easy-rsa-3.2.4,1 = starting 00:08:45 =20 [25] 00:07:48 audio/mpg123 | mpg123-1.33.2 = starting 00:07:48 =20 [12] 00:03:34 databases/sqlite3@default | sqlite3-3.50.2_1,1 = starting 00:03:34 =20 [26] 00:08:45 ports-mgmt/portconfig | portconfig-0.6.2_2 = starting 00:08:45 =20 [13] 00:07:54 textproc/expat2 | expat-2.7.3 = starting 00:07:54 =20 [27] 00:07:49 multimedia/v4l_compat | v4l_compat-1.23.0_7 = starting 00:07:49 =20 [14] 00:08:27 dns/public_suffix_list | = public_suffix_list-20250828 starting 00:08:27 =20 [28] 00:07:54 devel/libdwarf | libdwarf-20161124 = starting 00:07:54 =20 It does eventually make progress again after this. The laptop 22 FreeBSD cpu context with external USB4 media being handled as "nda0 at nvme0" (via using a Thunderbolt 3 hub between the laptop and the media) has much better performance for builds. (No chroot is involved here.) # uname -apKU FreeBSD USB4sys 16.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT = main-n280910-85531add2844 GENERIC-NODEBUG amd64 amd64 1600001 1600001 Shorter duration bottlenecking is still visible but use wold be much more reasonable in this type of context. I''ll note that I did not notice any "rename" STATE bottleneck time during this activity but did see "flswai" STATE bottlenecking. 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Installation images are available for: o 15.0-ALPHA5 amd64 GENERIC o 15.0-ALPHA5 powerpc64 GENERIC64 o 15.0-ALPHA5 powerpc64le GENERIC64LE o 15.0-ALPHA5 armv7 GENERICSD o 15.0-ALPHA5 aarch64 GENERIC o 15.0-ALPHA5 aarch64 RPI o 15.0-ALPHA5 aarch64 PINE64 o 15.0-ALPHA5 aarch64 PINE64-LTS o 15.0-ALPHA5 aarch64 PINEBOOK o 15.0-ALPHA5 aarch64 ROCK64 o 15.0-ALPHA5 aarch64 ROCKPRO64 o 15.0-ALPHA5 riscv64 GENERIC o 15.0-ALPHA5 riscv64 GENERICSD Note regarding arm SD card images: For convenience for those without console access to the system, a freebsd user with a password of freebsd is available by default for ssh(1) access. Additionally, the root user password is set to root. It is strongly recommended to change the password for both users after gaining access to the system. Installer images and memory stick images are available here: https://download.freebsd.org/releases/ISO-IMAGES/15.0/ The image checksums follow at the end of this e-mail. If you notice problems you can report them through the Bugzilla PR system or on the -stable mailing list. If you would like to use Git to do a source based update of an existing system, use the "stable/15" branch. A summary of changes since ALPHA5 includes: o Release images are now built in "no-root" mode. o A "pkgbase-repo.tar" file is now published for each architecture containing the full pkgbase repository corresponding to the release. o Many bug fixes related to pkgbase and the release build process. o The cxgbe(4) driver has been updated to support newer hardware. o Several issues in tzcode have been corrected. o A change in power management which caused USB ports to be nonfunctional after resuming from S3 sleep has been reverted. o expat has been updated to 2.7.3. A list of changes since 14.0 is available in the stable/15 release notes: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.0R/relnotes/ Please note, the release notes page is not yet complete, and will be updated on an ongoing basis as the 15.0-RELEASE cycle progresses. === Virtual Machine Disk Images === VM disk images are available for the amd64, aarch64, and riscv64 architectures. Disk images may be downloaded from the following URL (or any of the FreeBSD download mirrors): https://download.freebsd.org/releases/VM-IMAGES/15.0-ALPHA5/ BASIC-CI images can be found at: https://download.freebsd.org/releases/CI-IMAGES/15.0-ALPHA5/ The partition layout is: ~ 16 kB - freebsd-boot GPT partition type (bootfs GPT label) ~ 1 GB - freebsd-swap GPT partition type (swapfs GPT label) ~ 20 GB - freebsd-ufs GPT partition type (rootfs GPT label) The disk images are available in QCOW2, VHD, VMDK, and raw disk image formats. The image download size is approximately 650 MB, decompressing to a 21 GB sparse image. Note regarding arm64/aarch64 virtual machine images: a modified QEMU EFI loader file is needed for qemu-system-aarch64 to be able to boot the virtual machine images. See this page for more information: https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm64/QEMU To boot the VM image, run: % qemu-system-aarch64 -m 4096M -cpu cortex-a57 -M virt \ -bios QEMU_EFI.fd -serial telnet::4444,server -nographic \ -drive if=none,file=VMDISK,id=hd0 \ -device virtio-blk-device,drive=hd0 \ -device virtio-net-device,netdev=net0 \ -netdev user,id=net0 Be sure to replace "VMDISK" with the path to the virtual machine image. === OCI Container Images === OCI container images are available for the amd64, aarch64, and riscv64 architectures, and can be found at https://download.freebsd.org/releases/OCI-IMAGES/15.0-ALPHA5/ There are five images: static - suitable for statically linked workloads dynamic - suitable for dynamically linked workloads runtime - suitable for shell workloads notoolchain - almost everything except a compiler and build tools toolchain - almost everything including a compiler and build tools The OCI images can be imported into local Podman container storage using 'podman load': % podman load --input ./FreeBSD---container-image-runtime.txz or copied to an image registry using 'skopeo copy': % skopeo copy \ oci-archive:./FreeBSD---container-image-runtime.txz \ docker://myregistry.example.com/runtime: For amd64 and aarch64 architectures, these can be fetched conveniently from Docker Hub or Github Container Registry: % podman pull docker.io/freebsd/freebsd-runtime:15.0.alpha5 % podman pull ghcr.io/freebsd/freebsd-runtime:15.0.alpha5 === Amazon EC2 AMI Images === FreeBSD EC2 AMIs were built for ALPHA5 but do not boot due to an issue which has since been diagnosed. === Upgrading === The freebsd-update(8) utility supports binary upgrades of amd64 and aarch64 systems running earlier FreeBSD releases. Systems running earlier FreeBSD releases can upgrade by first installing any updates for the currently running release: # freebsd-update fetch # freebsd-update install and then downloading the new release: # freebsd-update upgrade -r 15.0-ALPHA5 NOTE: THE STEP OF UPDATING YOUR EXISTING SYSTEM FIRST IS NECESSARY. An errata notice was recently issued (FreeBSD-EN-25:18.freebsd-update) which corrects a problem which otherwise results in systems becoming inoperative when attempting to upgrade to 15.0. During this process, freebsd-update(8) may ask the user to help by merging some configuration files or by confirming that the automatically performed merging was done correctly. # freebsd-update install The system must be rebooted with the newly installed kernel before continuing. # shutdown -r now After rebooting, freebsd-update needs to be run again to install the new userland components: # freebsd-update install It is recommended to rebuild and install all applications if possible, especially if upgrading from an earlier FreeBSD release, for example, FreeBSD 12.x. Alternatively, the user can install misc/compat12x and other compatibility libraries, afterwards the system must be rebooted into the new userland: # shutdown -r now Finally, after rebooting, freebsd-update needs to be run again to remove stale files: # freebsd-update install == ISO CHECKSUMS == o 15.0-ALPHA5 amd64 GENERIC: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-bootonly.iso) = cfcf92863857716b112141451e89b80e03eaa363c9ef951fb61b50a27611983b31f8a9bf2d093c82ea670e84e0cffeb920fb452d8a32f2e42eda0772f8388fa2 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-bootonly.iso.xz) = b31683903b3936d3f227bd2c9df2cf5099c30a0f72bec49b38a11e014f36a11457f9a8716c56585275f4aa046417759cc7c03d3f85b09767bd978986f4958ced SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso) = b4d2ba1974eea322cc60f4ae0a7ff1f827a47fcdc93732dd28b5d52857a2508286a76ba417af5fc33eb7c68d620c2a15978452a055997c8f07ed6018e23cabda SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso.xz) = 2a09195ed80d594bdf0b993019b2fc2c41087cf63a8839a6d27f04ff0981ce6505cda1efebd34b561eb9a39d714caa44196ac72b1b97a7c2d21cc6a849641ec2 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-dvd1.iso) = c4808d21a29be1952f45d31b1adfdce6d59791ea3fb671d07ca22efe8a3e37f1ee92b82fa3ccea86feb5b1a55a1207a76d6c4e032765ab9a5b17f3bb911d32eb SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-dvd1.iso.xz) = 4ba347e222a19d6bf71f03a161fecfd8f3702d76a43bc28616055233bce888b3dadee901c6b5f1a3db64b2212ba72494658e5bc3a0ec24594aa007638fa840fc SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-memstick.img) = 7513b20c9cf581cc6d775dd56d9b4859290ef6298372e84eeea908005c062bcf430598835503116e3a856cb19f65161e682605d7f3512357cf30b0d492ec31d0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-memstick.img.xz) = 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(FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso.xz) = 704d96c4cf8b34815ea6a9fe4764da03522b7dac69a3d656e9a94a73d7b45d89 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-dvd1.iso) = 9ba1279b1b8ea86f06457d028d70cfbd3992a0e2bd764481cd5b322d2dfc14f1 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-dvd1.iso.xz) = 77dc4fc5a98080ea892901b5f2cdba412b827b4c18c307f568f1938f71b2f452 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-memstick.img) = d21dab67b1d0010230e45b8e52e844b42d573d4e84f6072e98fc77f9dd2deb93 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-memstick.img.xz) = 8798d36f9dd7fa98fcacab4a8a0efe4815d655a9f21ff320e6f415d6a7719d0e SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-mini-memstick.img) = 035a0a38422a63eec7ee21a39b0cbdfb8d0152ce13874a31fbf1cb94a4150cef SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-mini-memstick.img.xz) = 318dd5c87f68159d3e06b9ac50990d195be193c616798031f7f98383acee7d81 o 15.0-ALPHA5 powerpc64 GENERIC64: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-powerpc-powerpc64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-bootonly.iso) = 7cc19626e8ca8e907f4d4b56b75965a74f5269d74d158013f7984a03f0523bd29330556982b0bd6919d79a0175a01a09b672cb6a8b75ac5b0861a8d3ebb1fe1c SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-powerpc-powerpc64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-bootonly.iso.xz) = aae010d96a37a14b6486d61a55bbbac95b3a16bac4e8049d1827d57cca13fda5accc1726b26e969e6c23e295fc2cebf8f2a47d3aa84552fba32a97c0fc742b74 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-powerpc-powerpc64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso) = 5e8bd51c27ab213db4ea2ad7ce2c8de2ccc6f5f08d65d5b566dc65b1fa9d165b6225907a3cf5dcb25990347f2f8d69e5a01bb3d1e4eef8b316d6d3ccd44c219d SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-powerpc-powerpc64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso.xz) = 6cd18018c566c62731d818a94d53861593388d9eeead34dcf437d923d66313becb2d226f75b546ee7949b7bd321239df6286b0f90d70d38002ecec5c2cb5f0a3 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-powerpc-powerpc64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-bootonly.iso) = 39dd33ebbe82fded72f24f3f5dad521da98f319ce548bd1771d63191b9d3a9a4 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-powerpc-powerpc64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-bootonly.iso.xz) = fa0070d27130ee8caa109b913c417f1cbe908cc95b9b0d56960d507278e6b937 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-powerpc-powerpc64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso) = 165c1562d260628c83360fa35bccb41ce127776001dfcb60b1c6280ed3fc85b4 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-powerpc-powerpc64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso.xz) = da760c56075ecf891b922cce188a8a615e7eb6dfee63e6fc38ebeac29c580dc8 o 15.0-ALPHA5 powerpc64le GENERIC64LE: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-powerpc-powerpc64le-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-bootonly.iso) = 518af18749fb557088c90cb739822132ff8ed048ec943689b20066fadd50e11de0e0e8b46451c1a13507b829b14e4aef57eae85dda5c82bade27bdda9f34fb3b SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-powerpc-powerpc64le-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-bootonly.iso.xz) = e3d09ad09d49c8e904369becbdbe3fe7db221538903ff2faa8c392665190b87a928aa28f018e53334cd4846887577e5cb1f1fd19c7a99c12d8bd573d6f384253 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-powerpc-powerpc64le-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso) = dc983ca55de7a731db8b705be62cd05670a53b17fc1eb25886d12e92cb55774028d0e56f9a92a7fc68247302bd98901f247e2e607ecc7dfb69bef2f475d832f3 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-powerpc-powerpc64le-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso.xz) = de846908159bbd08bd939399f163da37f4dcc72511060b9ea3965f01845ff219213f7c68aa891a9b770349a8bd8ff31d0f282b2576d2d94409e6751f18e7915c SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-powerpc-powerpc64le-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-bootonly.iso) = 16cf659244e263595349037387305fd38d781eeb1388bc9d5b822c0718fa77ed SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-powerpc-powerpc64le-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-bootonly.iso.xz) = 2f8901d3e912c742d519160a91fb905be811fabcafe274c09192ef586494c256 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-powerpc-powerpc64le-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso) = b4b4ecca575ed3d0e424d2ae9da609c2bf3b63625404357a7a09b7af8c054454 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-powerpc-powerpc64le-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso.xz) = d924b27c38e4e7604b19b7164c96d65f7a0482cd136c6a0b321e91fe2435c293 o 15.0-ALPHA5 armv7 GENERICSD: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm-armv7-GENERICSD-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.img.xz) = c280d57ad9c5dbf364a511616eb20fce02f2a4f9ccb224c33d8d63dfc55035ae0fe53d48752c6114e45ddbea5639994ce9528537bfdd571c82f58f1fbbfc61ef SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm-armv7-GENERICSD-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.img.xz) = ecd5eeff81a5e2fe57da1a8f2d20119a72d1712e0e502826e8de81ba0bc7e3b1 o 15.0-ALPHA5 aarch64 GENERIC: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-bootonly.iso) = da27eab0921a975e896cec2e24b5d83e0ba9cc3775cf446f9a21fc550308f0057e716daffa5b5d619c8ab27c4b668cd4a06a7c0400d7341cda3ef21a107d2f42 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-bootonly.iso.xz) = 0cf00b6f3277901dc9a0edfc7fafa8e1c7965254960b4ff516313a497e6e43875364c1249ff541f894621d20b4d5e4bcbfc3c3d842cf610989a7f568afe56643 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso) = 35b540b8bb9c02a83e82968a48650e56602b2afc8a471338b6c79cdb6ce77b392224e47153bf7539008b45596796c8e92b2e93d88f64a4f4f3efeea04878f051 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso.xz) = 389f08d8656f9557c76cab6ac23cfc9215b36a3a2d06fc65a037fba2768f046d31174e08aa36696ecc1fb494b0ea8d7f67a935001af25c971c09c3d04687d1bf SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-dvd1.iso) = 932115bde7d9d1fd3c937719a9398f36e440144300d13428763899ed9c64b9951879503d4204f1528c310e954c95fd0329a9d8b2a9d5521ecfd078067c28581e SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-dvd1.iso.xz) = e4149311ce531315463c04c4550da287414476f291ddd4c2c7d016b8d1faf91630e4d18a0d5f7232367d3860870280bb4c96f3d021b643a43112cbe819508f47 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-memstick.img) = 20e6cf2a733952ccfa9fc85fb7ea98a67ff876d6a1a514241f4a70a414f88458e8fdd376dc06c9962d43c18aeb72976faf418333bcf0065bd2dcd504e2f01599 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-memstick.img.xz) = 8f46b219c1a8229457e69b2e2cb3cdaa2a3ac70d544bf6dda4d5c1b7817019b2cae9b027173ce87f0dc3181308656722340f76b56354721e49fe3b8c66759eed SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-mini-memstick.img) = ed96cd7dbb18375710c2ba76b8e19449c4f02a6b734e248c0b47733218ea7b35c44751f526a1832ef928f3056b0dc2d097448ccf94d384692f602e538b687a27 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-mini-memstick.img.xz) = 9d79331785941a68d32e17032d020de7f4790f56ba62811cbb95c772e7ecdcf22130c49501d7e264efac71e4982c0ead7a457f381660febbb4305bd75741f19d SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-bootonly.iso) = 92e7679c88f9907666c31125ec278763fad8a6bdad1750dbf12c4abe63f667af SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-bootonly.iso.xz) = 6086ef9f8b8f7ac56059bbe64b0847c10ac8a673cce5208b03f66ccba546d0dd SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso) = 3229091256f21841e9b0f97bc0d62648d496409209465a6ae25c96b7ac4ee885 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso.xz) = 4d4eae4bd36b06ea93cde2241509b93bfba337ea064bb3731ff40602140a235e SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-dvd1.iso) = 2f1f4899eff699e0399bace20e2f6ccffee7041bc1698b08194e83f671debb5d SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-dvd1.iso.xz) = cfeb6dc5ce2ea2fd94f4faa841141f2a1be4d3dc8c84f2fd174d1a72f65004e1 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-memstick.img) = 25ab191a160ca6d4c961f066ed9e74e7ab3c2b2bff28de6f4cdca0d44de642d1 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-memstick.img.xz) = 5b7a6b33cd0b9cbb8fbcf91ae8ba7db1fdf2608d4775d6ccb63d09bd6f1498db SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-mini-memstick.img) = 20f12d7be576b212074af25b453bc900f503380951380777bf35689b27e50eb8 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-mini-memstick.img.xz) = 203d653558e7b2d413356f6c30666d7e9ea909b50586cc70f2f88e7c5ffa4bca o 15.0-ALPHA5 aarch64 RPI: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-RPI-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.img.xz) = 5a6a78b9b97c1304a861213aa108175596d686b50f3fb797d8d5e6779fd726ac7c14aea7d8ec0512f5439c2b7b3ab8f8dd55d0013d99be106b69025f147fb790 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-RPI-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.img.xz) = bbf6ac09c951c53f1bdd41d50ccbacb016f80abc330ebfed1e824e4fd89cd311 o 15.0-ALPHA5 aarch64 PINE64: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-PINE64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.img.xz) = d6ec7eb5b3d0b192b08ac631adaeb55ad6cdd4fedf62dd8074c9615207b32d7528e27da415b04d1bd778997f5fd3d0b977264f81996c7df323c4ae70c994f1b7 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-PINE64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.img.xz) = 57eefd4c70756d27deb05ef86cf6e6d759ba0a78667963759370497f753c56dd o 15.0-ALPHA5 aarch64 PINE64-LTS: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-PINE64-LTS-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.img.xz) = 56383e54065155e8fbc8383cd6e1fd3f2f4032a4bc2e10605ed1f30440411fd9fe18a52613d5cd3b8d7d7ba7eab9f4aeb5db6c7eec313bc81c8fa01a7a37ee7d SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-PINE64-LTS-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.img.xz) = ab79e0c7eba07d19f49ab4b3a3655a2cbb5cae375840662250480a87816525be o 15.0-ALPHA5 aarch64 PINEBOOK: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-PINEBOOK-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.img.xz) = 19108fbfd60c220a7132a914c3cf50f079fc79e1a2d2cbb0aed4be761928a064be489fb359cf51654d2eac7c1993841799da484ce9a6ad091d058f53ede3a607 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-PINEBOOK-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.img.xz) = 0cddb5ba16b1779e806c27817b862238155556f151123384fa273aafacdadcbf o 15.0-ALPHA5 aarch64 ROCK64: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-ROCK64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.img.xz) = b45c79cdfbf916df05941187d802dcdac8d68f38df2897d07e8a73d4a68e0de6a9e96dfe55a1cdc8fbfff44cdb9ec5afebc62ec8c3970037dff6289c5ae8025e SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-ROCK64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.img.xz) = c72c4c87d5cda56eb17e7bacec031eccdecee473edefc66e283dca1fdc37da89 o 15.0-ALPHA5 aarch64 ROCKPRO64: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-ROCKPRO64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.img.xz) = 1475566da38cfe67743edb379048d5b4fa5105dd3a2d09f718aa82a9561f55d9b400406366e70fb162895fb0c5f738d76274e0715ad5a90b5d3c1d059db1d7cf SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-ROCKPRO64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.img.xz) = 77ba651505c0392e30d3b7c4ae930c7adae65d238b2fc21877c18c65566e84f4 o 15.0-ALPHA5 riscv64 GENERIC: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-bootonly.iso) = 2d4240d5d172b5965eafe89220bbd2f3f1c41b861e7766c254ae3a325d58abaa83bf105dab33666e0042869e6711b3c8b5c8a3457ec39e65d7dc334d2404662e SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-bootonly.iso.xz) = edac94c4e31488877e2dc7d7f308dc9f3c605ebab75df56034ef9d61c158e30e21a05b599ca468b53addbda56f0b0bac627b4a083bbf43c69b62c099f65c1e60 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso) = bb4abd46a341046371ffeb6e34d9a4029f87e6a2baee298e4db39831992693c92ba42ce6597db755afff497755ea2cd79da31807fec73337f961d257a2bd7775 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso.xz) = 4a98afe44121838d566b518042e7889400b8cac65ed2eb60f0a93602da328022c5135446b6cb8ac8c2b26ad6fd99b52c8b1e72f9be151b281c57f486005ed9b4 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-memstick.img) = 4ad6876e3b33781de951c94d81bc85d2cd68aa1708eb5f5a4bdda0bcac6935576f900637dc9435c011ac6a59d659e5eb068512b4ebaeeb7debaeae30057f1fc6 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-memstick.img.xz) = 6c802367b1ad9d9c931148854f7960c350deb2e491ca2d1c9c24d75efb3fcd64abbc65247d5461268be12fd9683c44189ed5e35a728c34e7edd0dd5e863d295a SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-mini-memstick.img) = bbf93b3ced8d211286d7ee85a5e6b4f6a51111c575440c769f2529a1af3c3e24d4e1c9ebf41d2fb958e37d0c5503c1674f69f0130a4ff092a360bb11c0f26314 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-mini-memstick.img.xz) = 9dbec20fd136f5dc1c71927e6a5557b9879bb80f79ddbc7c31fb45ef7fd0972da10e38938c7dbb682485594ab0329a8793ece229702c687795192ba4e5f8951d SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-bootonly.iso) = 2ba6678056fd9d53c366e5212b36d23556e49248d1715a1774fc7b5763bdc5dc SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-bootonly.iso.xz) = a7e87fa2cfc8c3aec83ae26e2080cf63aa614b1ea2fb53b5c3c5458ed23fe8bb SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso) = 99ac4393a6c2d9bc947a4ed034f366e5fc1487cffc8bf0f0f6afd0bc49e59f91 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-disc1.iso.xz) = bae61356775f64f5bce52c36e6b9f7fb079a570eca6c426312052370a46a967b SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-memstick.img) = 4cdb5de045c32c435da415b9c7a9c00eb617b9e3d4e421948d71d44694fd6f57 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-memstick.img.xz) = 198138d93f3b286c190a295943bc3c38f6fa953f16c98473f191de1a72192164 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-mini-memstick.img) = e0e8ac950e2e09cbb4dbff3158cf2cd1970eded56c8339c2d5c06593c862451b SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-mini-memstick.img.xz) = f576057345c673c607aa2919aae71b459a36a1f7beaa6f417185b8b76c6392c8 o 15.0-ALPHA5 riscv64 GENERICSD: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-GENERICSD-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.img.xz) = 3de637b47340efabd00295d490311d8c9206a51c51128fdd0bee808ebc16f736b9e6d103c8dd96bb2b9ae304ed2b1251b1026eacb7e10675af139934342e47c2 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-GENERICSD-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.img.xz) = f80fa3f79fda63e83f4b23be981bc20383cea658d993d89a726d96ee55da55a3 == VM IMAGE CHECKSUMS == o 15.0-ALPHA5 amd64: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-ufs.qcow2.xz) = 52c08e0d4c8bffe79daf48062207fce296ffed0433cdc1300004bae5a133341331bd2773430215ab36db746b39ff9837afc2822158008ca23e3bc03e11397ee7 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-ufs.raw.xz) = 81e7ab5a399c06084bbbbab8aeb1baf788a097edb7eb9661ec8e71bb9cf74e869a690c34a919c2e9791d2b2902ca7f95b8ed73b9292feddf3cd1cdb86895a024 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-zfs.qcow2.xz) = ad75c23a4d365500af86861d2a1908430e53223e68bc9560109d9563de130e82859b628c0c21b5f1a11ce6f254ad94ea6ee0dada5c9ac726b20474efbeeb64da SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-zfs.raw.xz) = 66e05d933c9b095601d74e9523e4152db53bfc534559b34cad327f9926ea53b1945efa7e40ad61de60e81e7f5c25c2b2e6a311d95ca30161f2a58fd2124d8212 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.qcow2.xz) = ed564742a95798a36e124d16a47ee34c51414b2234febc21f90f02ee92f5ed9d09bdeeb04825fadf13fc58709b5588086614d9ae5cf678f6b326a633ba9fa429 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.raw.xz) = 7c006fb7c724fc87790df79bfd03c882664f34f732321ca34af14d604aefc267616aceefbdb8ed50b4c4b5c93fb513c3ad8ffce0490e94500914152667bfba8a SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vhd.xz) = 0dfcf2fc5541cf353ee26a071f8364df585e82e5ed5e718a780b4f82c369aa496cebd76b75d8c519e4213eed17ce6498e3b34ad2c0d86b96612557e30e23778f SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vmdk.xz) = b762d754ebe22e75eb30a640744bf2fbc4068c656c95d2baef4d13399b3b6e03ce53669fed84faf8e7b46ca26b96afc5f486f55cf350a29a877a189d8c656d63 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.qcow2.xz) = 85b54df7f210045fc1dd97c44c91ec66a94bb7cd3b5539f2bb06b20f2f1e587afc4aecd2a91f84daa6859ec3b8d785d38ed70a6befbed2e96da65f2da050fd87 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.raw.xz) = 690f61b6a2348582964663506d9bfb59a38ae5d281c206a02268d839dffa46cec9a13caee1ab128c046fb96558d9a1c921befef339473cd98731cafe15ffed23 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vhd.xz) = bd8d000f05953969cee10a70d803484572550713b54d7adbbeb88a0e0a297008fb5ab8ebffe72c830ad03dd235ac6bb896cdac1e1c43cf71538746379afe5a71 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vmdk.xz) = 7f7169dce105bc1eeee0a57eb13499ec367d5a44663d21f6b3bd9da45e3ed78d4d060bfafff296029aec1a09ef34c0f18b45c3ce01ae37fa326512f1e55a070b SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-ufs.qcow2.xz) = 127c20cddf8b899806c284c5563339c37cb4e9a76104f98ccd4ed81222ddd19a SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-ufs.raw.xz) = fcd7e19b2948f804338e31319e412ccdec123926f7fac51de0e02317ee31bcd0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-zfs.qcow2.xz) = 5a482bb130b45493c2c024cddd831deb5c0d1523d777d2aca51875c540aaa285 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-zfs.raw.xz) = 83f6a712f8a185bd33fbbf9dea69ed7e76482cbe5bd654f8751c1595dc9fb998 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.qcow2.xz) = 7469bf692e943c18679038de4599b71d01ca22ddecf7b907d4024018ec5b1999 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.raw.xz) = d03a9ea80bd97656f1b6f7c8b55c804701cfabc51b9e357c1373c10a9a86cd31 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vhd.xz) = e8ef915772b035861a041c6a7be1cafecb68b5efc7c20a31c58b9537aad61666 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vmdk.xz) = aaecd56a644d2808e667df27deb99ed6fda0663ec87f3abbb3c35762923615e6 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.qcow2.xz) = bddad382c1a3d2da24348206fe2d2850ba5894274538abee937fc78b26cb4aeb SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.raw.xz) = 59497cf21c8617d168330a79ac05d418343d53e6be9feb51dcf5fc2f7febd92a SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vhd.xz) = 462b1e7246d2a9d699e21d402d0f1c31ddc2bfb821f01dadf8254a615284bc9c SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vmdk.xz) = cbc9c24e3859b63f3666ab07088d3453eb8921b7f250ef66acf67d74a2712dc1 o 15.0-ALPHA5 aarch64: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-ufs.qcow2.xz) = 9d99e35c6385e2637b86149771cf1f36009de28277db5ce16f66a8d03b35745f3f5c2dfaf64e56d48cb840fca3fc40a8f64a7790f3e35aac585048ff87cfd961 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-ufs.raw.xz) = e4eaf641a14e562fee6c7ea45b8150a1b2a373bb3cec6fbae9d5c5918ac053f71fa527a3fbbe27244590334ba249f205c00245ddcf0876f76ab5ff6a21d8b695 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-zfs.qcow2.xz) = 8ed2f6c14f6e234cb91bc07da17c2a3b47db8028c8566686dff51c0930b5818b9233932b5ada3dc6fa8ab2edbd75ecf232f3230f849547696382e017f43ce4b1 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-zfs.raw.xz) = 0b8485fe84a27e3d31c13911dcecce90f989aad08096808d8d02e19fa76c6b1eeafb9856c29980769e44a2e1a1cf6a9975da81d6e76040a415ec805fe0a36b17 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.qcow2.xz) = 1c1561063a8a188a679adbb457878d824d4df6671e48b7002ed6a664c11fb24ff3b7eff543c77214f2d4fb6e47f9cf38b99c3859fd14fe23c184129ba935fbc1 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.raw.xz) = 2377669ce6370d294553b0a6979ab3c51a540d8178d05a20779fb2629faa3d5eebd6a4b90621ce502b498a57456222a715ede390965cea9f4ab7d6674baefeaa SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vhd.xz) = d3f0599c483923dd0caadbc1124ba2005d3e4f8163d2c4e8ac07d63bd9b0f5f9e9fd895c944cf0f6246dabc374e9b0c58f33bba51cf6d7b90acffb1944ae27a0 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vmdk.xz) = 68b3615e257826b9756ce1e8d113a7b3055c5633909bf3c56095e5427622c13bd325cd54dd0307591772c659614baea2babe2a62c93429e14bfd9fc5eadea54c SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.qcow2.xz) = 8e5a3267857d41368e620fcb7ff560ae21ea5447632414acc4692691a3ae72ac78163073d75fb22e2bb1f678aff8798be1ed1524ed65a6be609ca5cbf9ca67e7 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.raw.xz) = 0c8970e5e76eb91e8044cdb48d602ff58f305ccd800b3ea8b682ff63846889f15d737d70d13fb212f4fa0db0710dc197e0e3a912d6bb4e7e565f0bf5724e999d SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vhd.xz) = 1b8be3c8bd1e8cd97c426674468275a46259798772acd208f10c1bd47348ee29675bf3458b4115823e30ec2f1a96b7d94130c4731222252e0f392cedeb82e170 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vmdk.xz) = 73d5c6f3cda651ea2e694ac7fe982bc1a81fdd34e15405379f435fc5e8ba9f141cfb336c8697362f49738a951b3f9caf68994d04261e1f7da0b620ae68845bbe SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-ufs.qcow2.xz) = 4d2946ffaa6efcfa54ce43e24007c2be750a2c778d4fb362b8ab99cc6371bf8f SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-ufs.raw.xz) = a7dc5220fc72f45f62a5868104c38b3ef33d7f44bdaa17c51d48f3920ba54c3d SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-zfs.qcow2.xz) = 90b9f5c95527b680160f9c7ff06a2ca3cc1b43fc26892a92741867dc286ef119 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-BASIC-CLOUDINIT-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-zfs.raw.xz) = 5606239ae07fd7bd0d872bfaa1b440a53751234e3c14d5089113455105ae861d SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.qcow2.xz) = bc921c2b61a24225a5a9250c046a832c33068b91a6d0deab90e9f31d5a610240 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.raw.xz) = d2b7950ed02c9d58201ac40d5819a40a9d72a5db0783d14a3945967db0f87bb7 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vhd.xz) = cea81827b8443da20e6ea10b3c1a990b06d0a9b48ee51fc0aab984492d806521 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vmdk.xz) = 21e36985f5fedaa0de4e9f084e7f0af8a9cf2169ebfa25b6687f4d23a28ec6ad SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.qcow2.xz) = a76c14fac8675bd1918ed570042ab1593d44d7474a9858d09dee4256e6ec0f60 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.raw.xz) = 2bf41da26370a9db3e7185e79a6d0e3ef982d7c88c35fb9038f4cef46af16eb7 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vhd.xz) = fd12f56f047b71f33fbd2081c32787b870de09504b03e7df846c1bef64588db3 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vmdk.xz) = 061062a487551c93158b2a9b75b99c279744709515bf2603183b41b56769af86 o 15.0-ALPHA5 riscv64: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.qcow2.xz) = 827940c48f2623950e7b210aa990f9eba586acb309bcb3ce01082f5a2a2a7f33273b1efb8f7b066b70d078438761bd71c735b7a18be2f86890f158fb389b06f3 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.raw.xz) = a9bed4eb3949ada6414b82f506789892e51b6bc7641ee18168de514358e08af6b5ffafce479fa89e4f98ce5ca3872777c1cd138b70afcf45619caf25ed340a5b SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vhd.xz) = cbf927abdc1c12810201e158e82ba5182f0aa70e86298d0f697040860d897e4948d3153af7a923579de42e9857daadc1d3612585d4b3b3d6b266fa9ea8309ac3 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vmdk.xz) = ed293c9b74b14211a6d45e166a6b2c076d70bee67783d01d860e5294933c26f4b63e7941d6b9789785fffadea930d2077e103faf9b5fc58432a3a6ce47433add SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.qcow2.xz) = 8390b4f6d355baa1d97148318adbc929323fadbd4d47f5be723cba31583d2885d8762001635bf171174610ffcbc27a3ef91915c0f8640da8421312b40355e972 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.raw.xz) = 31fb37cf13ae815d864ea866007565acf48fd058fc69b536badf71b730d92e9ba9b99caa494cebadc3b12f67231aa9b8a38d7eb1d3db9ca8da0815a3c6cb51a9 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vhd.xz) = b41fc775e66ede03659bc1cb0cc20512a4281c02a97431afddf40940d2c3c189da1f6ef23af1c637f79d3061cbfc5bc8bb94217b86646acd6e7aa27d2b9f6d41 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vmdk.xz) = c4b482b9435ec5ba4c8d7056b5ea3172239c0aae2747b744ec2faf8253113b031db28717c1c8ce63117677355914dfe96780e15e903f09abf508eb42856a310a SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.qcow2.xz) = afe8fdf01e7bfe1d844a179667ea5fb3239e66acd5ec25efb00df8d2f38e8972 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.raw.xz) = 834cbc550bfad3892973073dbe694445493b5dcd2559a904f2ce8c2e474464b8 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vhd.xz) = a35f609c7c0d3c05810d714f2426a33ed6531af8324d19d9af0f3aca4714bf8a SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-ufs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vmdk.xz) = 39db6b52641402ec3d18ecb23c54272b26ceff3dc08f0f47e5353b0fcba5fe29 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.qcow2.xz) = 65bd10cbdb6717628ced86acd179eafa732f304d373f3280123906406e9e0eb1 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.raw.xz) = c7af134192824314306bad485801e1515b5d9f682311cc48ab4009734e9f948e SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vhd.xz) = fe486a31cccfe673284da249eb6a6628c88102e9f7507931cb468394fdd9a439 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-zfs-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.vmdk.xz) = 79fd132f172fdc0955522d6a3aa78c9058ff1b42d8fda995d1bbf0efeea33121 == OCI CONTAINER CHECKSUMS == o 15.0-ALPHA5 amd64: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-dynamic.txz) = cc708486dfe351a03a901495145a34d14cb9baf2ddd463e6bdd0ee5983145f5e1316d30493477a8f34de0748f9424de77c1a5934f0b93af23bf3a8e8daa88fb3 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-notoolchain.txz) = 14663de2984dc3892d238c3aa8a3b0c3633d67e476d919f9d81f02c322e2ff31aa273fb1a013f13dc8c9b272915b033aa1643a39c832a0acd3dc593831978d75 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-runtime.txz) = 6b54ee2a24f8f91f208cc2d4777fdb4239b3435977a85993cd12e09290d5205e2b018c6547c69b495a840bc0b88cc9650932cf102e6ece439233fa6cc19ba54b SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-static.txz) = 082e0b26ab00bdaaab6699ba00abb9ad06cbca4ad94250347d2051e86eb0210be5f4dbad2f10fca0455c04b1c31bffdf229f1bd6a9ff3e7df98b38da8a9dc86f SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-toolchain.txz) = 91820408a69feb6aa71b5509611afe3384ebef4e9802ea09fe8b792c831752f252279c830edd0871e0a5a28a26e62c7110cfe23d9885c139b3de34411bcdc47c SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-dynamic.txz) = 887c12abe97fec8d750f9dcb90bded2e3735db73aebb158d3bc8bf14ce9acb20 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-notoolchain.txz) = 630e0b67f74f6e5018178da307113f7e5711c4bf812d58e9966bf88dd7e3e62f SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-runtime.txz) = 7d4d55c69a4191c18460dcf1f24f6119f9ec3ef0c1d92a31d59b84a061b171a8 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-static.txz) = d0e088438586f757dc2a4653ce748c0d14e04eadcf45620f7bae58331143b0e9 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-amd64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-toolchain.txz) = 230281692b2832dc74cf25a9b93c3a7a6e48fb393b1bfaeae454419ef592e1db o 15.0-ALPHA5 aarch64: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-dynamic.txz) = c3b82f5f593383205c58be65a49506e87e27d69b8d638f2e669bafe673f424d1332d27395f7988f41006f64297ca044e7991a1880d163521a6343def2f5f6c42 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-notoolchain.txz) = 307c3f468093e67a1da48c15c6d4c359b8534338cd91bd1e613142010eaecb665a1202d8029708799200c23b89411dcd6921d60fc35626c13b2cefdaf61f85a3 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-runtime.txz) = e04e712bc6ab39ecbc4532d5acfbb3a390cbe517a721bd8af2d55fddd4712ace1efb7394973e53f1a878ac8706b0a23b5b9fa8c292045d16a051e8892b5b459b SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-static.txz) = 9cd2c70129fb783348f4ef2b638eb9ae9c598d45b52166d947036c04ae78719233b9bc5d1fa608251dc36b1ffea0bee8ed4642ebdf289966df06eb835992859c SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-toolchain.txz) = 2474ac34f2f39ce8f53bf2eed3fc6ef39f60fb95152f770322b2ec192decf29145d1bf44a1981bf5638085727ebdbfb5b8ce4933a07086d7758d36dd08e1e33c SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-dynamic.txz) = f67446b9da5901e61544bc5785264eb701c711e758e0f33e353edcadc5a15d83 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-notoolchain.txz) = c331debf9ee04a2a3ad2d5a1f68396c31f26e035cd6bcef2c4c1c2f405ce432f SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-runtime.txz) = ba7687ae3d10de770bb661596c31c41f96c36fcb852ab07ac2521ca35a768f3a SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-static.txz) = 1a6d973b0e297fe606fb1e071d96a35e6e900b60f6505ec394fa6ed5dc78f5f6 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-arm64-aarch64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-toolchain.txz) = 3dc914dd036f71f9c02f7b8c499507774528e92358e1b30f0a2d39c25a31ad9e o 15.0-ALPHA5 riscv64: SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-dynamic.txz) = 2211b0f100f7e5bbccc4ee9e5898ea4d910d4d95e72502e2ae538ceda52cae066df65c65af4dfb736b3d5754604a15c8eaf63badd38ad0372ae03642f57fd020 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-notoolchain.txz) = 398db4b841710bbbdb4b54f96f6f8d3c2e79cd77857c43aec219fb2f9ec66423520014b6777a3389c1e3cf2a3e97dbd03dff2c36ac60527db4c333e98fd56d24 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-runtime.txz) = 0d6b525731ab05659e5ee30c3b50732718443925e46d642e93c3f90a9e6d6d7cbab0a983c60bdda7290bfd646afbbaf5eb4e4ffe27c28453784b5f1a12ece5af SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-static.txz) = 037069309d8a7fa7189e4e655478008ee00f2c2a3e77581faabb498e7a90982be757fecb320b11170717ebd7e9dfdb6d1bfa4519a5ecd73c78372f2f18f94504 SHA512 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-toolchain.txz) = 9b13d45d7aa4bcb949b264428acb26fa05d48e002d65c131a903f36f58135f824fce36a1b8bdecdb9e016bf8b4b5383b582b56083552657cf3e0c9570c882c32 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-dynamic.txz) = c40bbc9a92a45db48d8a353c2b2545c1c6011cd1d7824d379031ff53511399e4 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-notoolchain.txz) = 185fc2a0ce774f4bc8fa5da2687e821134b6d5a90e3d7e9a0ef2ec8f8950816e SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-runtime.txz) = ba860327ff231443b72e650b354c2f0abdd757904a0e4f8232b055bcd3c06fe9 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-static.txz) = c4db8fafd040ec77751cb6cdeead93df909062f50e8b7f159aa7031faec452a0 SHA256 (FreeBSD-15.0-ALPHA5-riscv-riscv64-container-image-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541-toolchain.txz) = 82c6a3823f94902a6b48f339f1e1e8819caf3ce2caaff3984e50cbf27481fe74 == PKGBASE REPO CHECKSUMS == o 15.0-ALPHA5 amd64: SHA512 (pkgbase-repo-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.tar) = 0900bfa5e0e1ff393a6cad16baa7682059f2b3428ded6770b4a0471b6442e088ff532ae4fe1e2351e7ca2df38498ee998a4d0f3475df8f9dc993d17eabe35000 SHA256 (pkgbase-repo-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.tar) = 50b7f6445ba170c7c18fd4994ac829d45ae90e4557e148a6f9362095f0ea33bd o 15.0-ALPHA5 powerpc64: SHA512 (pkgbase-repo-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.tar) = ab9a46ccef1a6f991eea9900b3a2e1d434981c2457431d0aca1880ab7a5ddf5b0641a1faaff2bf004bee19fa71af7f6d4a40745afe8a638e97853a276f75e5ee SHA256 (pkgbase-repo-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.tar) = 18a058c126c60ec48ddf2595ee79fdf65d03a2c27c84a956b1fa3a5e694df089 o 15.0-ALPHA5 powerpc64le: SHA512 (pkgbase-repo-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.tar) = df19bc55cbf9c49174b5fa62e29495ac958f64ec1d61152c9d27f3b007c386faeae25611db21daafdef96585dc9e5d538a29a9802bc5c2c0f5eb32cb1e080dbc SHA256 (pkgbase-repo-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.tar) = 8bc79f96937762b48b4174a69fdcedadb68f97653cff53cd10388b9dce18c6a9 o 15.0-ALPHA5 aarch64: SHA512 (pkgbase-repo-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.tar) = f82992703f874f8419c5fb02c3ed494c1467fa3c757b0a37ef1ab4ac85f105a4991b8ee418de678df988dc8521f8464bfaaa09bafb9aed88ad185c470ebe7239 SHA256 (pkgbase-repo-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.tar) = a384d0b7b780af5678b3a0ddd9e37ca4bc489a7223e71c509093c33b86fea72f o 15.0-ALPHA5 riscv64: SHA512 (pkgbase-repo-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.tar) = 2adf131c0f4023f35ee13d948fa4625772201f23da084c975fea054c38abf2461941b83fe8d2510dca0ed4686d6dbba869ead20f8de924b5d83d3fca1bc2b20b SHA256 (pkgbase-repo-20251004-1c0898edf28f-280541.tar) = bf06f7dfb9242e6b473b0b392f6013ac24eb258e32b7bba7d95dfb3805eda470 Love FreeBSD? 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I am asking because I just made a commit to main (which will soon be in stable/15) which adds support to the Heimdal code for doing a database dump in an MIT compatible format. --> The problem is that it will require a make buildworld, make installworld from sources with WITHOUT_MITKRB5="yes" set in /etc/src.conf, followed by an (re)upgrade with the default MIT Kerberos setting. (ie. no WITHOUT_MITKRB5="yes") Because the patch is rather large (commit 5000d023a446 in main) and a lot of it was a couple of cherry-picks from Heimdal 7.8, I cannot easily audit it for any security vulnerability it might have introduced. As such, I am not comfortable MFC'ng it to stable/14, although that would make the conversion path easier. So, who out there needs this Heimdal->MIT KDC database conversion? Thanks for any info, rick From nobody Sun Oct 5 21:05:50 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cfw175xcNz6BgmM for ; Sun, 05 Oct 2025 21:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo75.interia.pl (smtpo75.interia.pl [217.74.67.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cfw155SfZz44MP; Sun, 05 Oct 2025 21:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=interia.pl header.s=biztos header.b=CcBDEPlt; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=interia.pl; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vermaden@interia.pl designates 217.74.67.75 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vermaden@interia.pl Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2025 23:05:50 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: RFC: Heimdal FreeBSD KDC users To: Rick Macklem , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List , Gleb Smirnoff , Cy Schubert X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: References: X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.23 Message-Id: List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1759698353; bh=upEsH+6p3JLR/Va9egiadoAdcQe1UNyRUfOOUu3NZTM=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CcBDEPltUEckP9hGmwQTN1oNEHhsLP1JTBcflKOOWv8zQhD173oFJVMLXNH/f73ZH f+Sw7A0berGYfcpN3rEjB6FsUxPaR9DxeHgFTsSC4PC5x1Tkh1U5zalUTpZuFC9kf2 jnZvnuixjJXQH8/iTJThoT5dKDeFVCuQmE0d2ocI= X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.49 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[interia.pl:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.69)[-0.689]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[interia.pl,quarantine]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[217.74.67.75:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[interia.pl:s=biztos]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.74.64.0/22]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUSPICIOUS_AUTH_ORIGIN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[interia.pl:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[interia.pl]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[interia.pl] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cfw155SfZz44MP Hi, I am in an opposite camp. I tried to make NFSv4 server on FreeBSD to auth users against Red Hat IDM (or FreeIPA) but failed to do so over multiple tries. After I heard that Heimdal will be exchanged into MIT I was more then happy. I currently wait till all that Heimdal -> MIT Kerberos change finish - so I can try again. Hope that helps. Regards, vermaden Temat: RFC: Heimdal FreeBSD KDC users Data: 2025-10-05 22:58 Nadawca: "Rick Macklem" Adresat: "FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List" ; "Gleb Smirnoff" ; "Cy Schubert" ; > Hi, > > I am posting to try and find out how many users > are currently using the old Heimdal 1.5 KDC in > FreeBSD 14.n and are interested in using the > same KDC database in FreeBSD 15. > > I am asking because I just made a commit to > main (which will soon be in stable/15) which > adds support to the Heimdal code for doing > a database dump in an MIT compatible format. > --> The problem is that it will require a > make buildworld, make installworld from > sources with WITHOUT_MITKRB5="yes" > set in /etc/src.conf, followed by an (re)upgrade > with the default MIT Kerberos setting. > (ie. no WITHOUT_MITKRB5="yes") > > Because the patch is rather large (commit 5000d023a446 > in main) and a lot of it was a couple of cherry-picks > from Heimdal 7.8, I cannot easily audit it for any > security vulnerability it might have introduced. > As such, I am not comfortable MFC'ng it to stable/14, > although that would make the conversion path easier. > > So, who out there needs this Heimdal->MIT KDC > database conversion? 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Well, I a involved in testing events (one starting tomorrow) where the infrastructure is done by Redhat and the Kerberos stuff works (and did work with the Heimdal stuff as well). I don't know, but I suspect your problems are related to the way they do ldap or dns and that won't change w.r.t. the MIT transition. Yes, getting Kerberos working can be tricky. Just yesterday I struggled until I found that the client machine's reverse DNS got the wrong answer. A few useful tricks to help diagnose it: - Run the gssd with -v and then look at what is in /var/log/daemon.log. (If you get an error with a large negative number, you can find those in /usr/include/krb5_err.h. This file goes away for MIT, so you might want to keep a copy around.) - Look in the KDC's log if you have access to it. - Capture packets and look at them in wireshark. It can decode all the unencrypted stuff and that can give you a hint. - Try hard to always use fqdn names (put the fqdn first in the line in /etc/hosts if you use one of those). Good luck with it, but I doubt the transition to MIT will help? rick > > After I heard that Heimdal will be exchanged into MIT I was more then hap= py. > > I currently wait till all that Heimdal -> MIT Kerberos change finish - so= I can try again. > > Hope that helps. > > Regards, > vermaden > > > > Temat: RFC: Heimdal FreeBSD KDC users > Data: 2025-10-05 22:58 > Nadawca: "Rick Macklem" > Adresat: "FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List" ; "Gle= b Smirnoff" ; "Cy Schubert" ; > > > Hi, > > > > I am posting to try and find out how many users > > are currently using the old Heimdal 1.5 KDC in > > FreeBSD 14.n and are interested in using the > > same KDC database in FreeBSD 15. > > > > I am asking because I just made a commit to > > main (which will soon be in stable/15) which > > adds support to the Heimdal code for doing > > a database dump in an MIT compatible format. > > --> The problem is that it will require a > > make buildworld, make installworld from > > sources with WITHOUT_MITKRB5=3D"yes" > > set in /etc/src.conf, followed by an (re)upgrade > > with the default MIT Kerberos setting. > > (ie. no WITHOUT_MITKRB5=3D"yes") > > > > Because the patch is rather large (commit 5000d023a446 > > in main) and a lot of it was a couple of cherry-picks > > from Heimdal 7.8, I cannot easily audit it for any > > security vulnerability it might have introduced. > > As such, I am not comfortable MFC'ng it to stable/14, > > although that would make the conversion path easier. > > > > So, who out there needs this Heimdal->MIT KDC > > database conversion? 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Although it's a little dated, there might be some useful stuff here.. https://people.freebsd.org/~rmacklem/nfs-krb5-setup.txt rick > > Hope that helps. > > Regards, > vermaden > > > > Temat: RFC: Heimdal FreeBSD KDC users > Data: 2025-10-05 22:58 > Nadawca: "Rick Macklem" > Adresat: "FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List" ; "Gle= b Smirnoff" ; "Cy Schubert" ; > > > Hi, > > > > I am posting to try and find out how many users > > are currently using the old Heimdal 1.5 KDC in > > FreeBSD 14.n and are interested in using the > > same KDC database in FreeBSD 15. > > > > I am asking because I just made a commit to > > main (which will soon be in stable/15) which > > adds support to the Heimdal code for doing > > a database dump in an MIT compatible format. > > --> The problem is that it will require a > > make buildworld, make installworld from > > sources with WITHOUT_MITKRB5=3D"yes" > > set in /etc/src.conf, followed by an (re)upgrade > > with the default MIT Kerberos setting. > > (ie. no WITHOUT_MITKRB5=3D"yes") > > > > Because the patch is rather large (commit 5000d023a446 > > in main) and a lot of it was a couple of cherry-picks > > from Heimdal 7.8, I cannot easily audit it for any > > security vulnerability it might have introduced. > > As such, I am not comfortable MFC'ng it to stable/14, > > although that would make the conversion path easier. > > > > So, who out there needs this Heimdal->MIT KDC > > database conversion? > > > > Thanks for any info, rick From nobody Sun Oct 5 21:47:49 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cfwxR1Tpzz6BmJN for ; Sun, 05 Oct 2025 21:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo75.interia.pl (smtpo75.interia.pl [217.74.67.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cfwxQ1mSHz3FNB; Sun, 05 Oct 2025 21:47:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=interia.pl header.s=biztos header.b="f//sFoS8"; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=interia.pl; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vermaden@interia.pl designates 217.74.67.75 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vermaden@interia.pl Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2025 23:47:49 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: RFC: Heimdal FreeBSD KDC users To: Rick Macklem Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List , Gleb Smirnoff , Cy Schubert X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: References: X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.23 Message-Id: List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1759700872; bh=1JfgIuOdME6N9mUX/BUkD+WtuV+No6M1fMjEJE0T/B8=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=f//sFoS8wUcgbkc4YwiC2dgCcBfbmuCGnhLCX0W4D69/OSLeClGic66BhS+sjMpcb XYcOhf1KbwBA9XxVbiqWmCe5Pr9w6JAUp2rEjWdGJ/71AFRKawoKgYM0feiEo6BjE0 lOJUxpJH8PFaF2a8F9jUwvAgoxEPxLj2lxLcc6G0= X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.59 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[interia.pl:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.79)[-0.795]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[interia.pl,quarantine]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[217.74.67.75:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[interia.pl:s=biztos]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.74.64.0/22:c]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; SUSPICIOUS_AUTH_ORIGIN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[interia.pl:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[interia.pl]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[interia.pl] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cfwxQ1mSHz3FNB Thanks for hints. If I fail - I will contact You for help. Maybe together we will be able to figure it out. IMHO such setup should be even in the FreeBSD Handbook - the FreeIPA is pro= bably the only open and free Microsoft AD solution out there. I would of co= urse add 'Samba 4' in AD mode and OpenLDAP integration. > Although it's a little dated, there might be some useful stuff here. > https://people.freebsd.org/~rmacklem/nfs-krb5-setup.txt I believe I also tried hints from Your guide ... but I have tried way to ma= ny different guides ... and all failed. Maybe I have done some 'typo' - maybe its one of the FreeIPA settings - may= be DNS - maybe me ... This NFSv4 <-> IDM topic will not leave me be - so I will share how it went= next time I will be doing it ... along with results. Thanks, vermaden Temat: Re: RFC: Heimdal FreeBSD KDC users Data: 2025-10-05 23:33 Nadawca: "Rick Macklem" Adresat: "vermaden" ;=20 DW: "FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List" ; "Gleb Smirn= off" ; "Cy Schubert" ;=20 > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2025 at 2:05=E2=80=AFPM vermaden wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I am in an opposite camp. >> >> I tried to make NFSv4 server on FreeBSD to auth users against Red >> Hat IDM (or FreeIPA) but failed to do so over multiple tries. > Well, I a involved in testing events (one starting tomorrow) where the > infrastructure is done by Redhat and the Kerberos stuff works (and did > work with the Heimdal stuff as well). >=20 > I don't know, but I suspect your problems are related to the way they > do ldap or dns and that won't change w.r.t. the MIT transition. >=20 > Yes, getting Kerberos working can be tricky. Just yesterday I > struggled until I found that the client machine's reverse DNS > got the wrong answer. >=20 > A few useful tricks to help diagnose it: > - Run the gssd with -v and then look at what is in /var/log/daemon.log. > (If you get an error with a large negative number, you can find those > in /usr/include/krb5_err.h. This file goes away for MIT, so you might > want to keep a copy around.) > - Look in the KDC's log if you have access to it. > - Capture packets and look at them in wireshark. It can decode all > the unencrypted stuff and that can give you a hint. > - Try hard to always use fqdn names (put the fqdn first in the line > in /etc/hosts if you use one of those). >=20 > Good luck with it, but I doubt the transition to MIT will help? rick >=20 >> >> After I heard that Heimdal will be exchanged into MIT I was more then ha= ppy. >> >> I currently wait till all that Heimdal -> MIT Kerberos change finish - s= o I can try again. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> Regards, >> vermaden >> >> >> >> Temat: RFC: Heimdal FreeBSD KDC users >> Data: 2025-10-05 22:58 >> Nadawca: "Rick Macklem"=20 >> Adresat: "FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List" ; "Gleb Smirnoff" ; "Cy Schubert"= ; >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > I am posting to try and find out how many users >> > are currently using the old Heimdal 1.5 KDC in >> > FreeBSD 14.n and are interested in using the >> > same KDC database in FreeBSD 15. >> > >> > I am asking because I just made a commit to >> > main (which will soon be in stable/15) which >> > adds support to the Heimdal code for doing >> > a database dump in an MIT compatible format. >> > --> The problem is that it will require a >> > make buildworld, make installworld from >> > sources with WITHOUT_MITKRB5=3D"yes" >> > set in /etc/src.conf, followed by an (re)upgrade >> > with the default MIT Kerberos setting. >> > (ie. no WITHOUT_MITKRB5=3D"yes") >> > >> > Because the patch is rather large (commit 5000d023a446 >> > in main) and a lot of it was a couple of cherry-picks >> > from Heimdal 7.8, I cannot easily audit it for any >> > security vulnerability it might have introduced. >> > As such, I am not comfortable MFC'ng it to stable/14, >> > although that would make the conversion path easier. >> > >> > So, who out there needs this Heimdal->MIT KDC >> > database conversion? 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I would of = course add 'Samba 4' in AD mode and OpenLDAP integration. Yes, the handbook could definitely use some tlc for Kerberos related stuff. (I'm not a doc guy. Anyone interested?) rick > > > Although it's a little dated, there might be some useful stuff here. > > https://people.freebsd.org/~rmacklem/nfs-krb5-setup.txt > > I believe I also tried hints from Your guide ... but I have tried way to = many different guides ... and all failed. > > Maybe I have done some 'typo' - maybe its one of the FreeIPA settings - m= aybe DNS - maybe me ... > > This NFSv4 <-> IDM topic will not leave me be - so I will share how it we= nt next time I will be doing it ... along with results. > > Thanks, > vermaden > > > > Temat: Re: RFC: Heimdal FreeBSD KDC users > Data: 2025-10-05 23:33 > Nadawca: "Rick Macklem" > Adresat: "vermaden" ; > DW: "FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List" ; "Gleb Smi= rnoff" ; "Cy Schubert" ; > > > > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2025 at 2:05=E2=80=AFPM vermaden wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> I am in an opposite camp. > >> > >> I tried to make NFSv4 server on FreeBSD to auth users against Red > >> Hat IDM (or FreeIPA) but failed to do so over multiple tries. > > Well, I a involved in testing events (one starting tomorrow) where the > > infrastructure is done by Redhat and the Kerberos stuff works (and did > > work with the Heimdal stuff as well). > > > > I don't know, but I suspect your problems are related to the way they > > do ldap or dns and that won't change w.r.t. the MIT transition. > > > > Yes, getting Kerberos working can be tricky. Just yesterday I > > struggled until I found that the client machine's reverse DNS > > got the wrong answer. > > > > A few useful tricks to help diagnose it: > > - Run the gssd with -v and then look at what is in /var/log/daemon.log. > > (If you get an error with a large negative number, you can find those > > in /usr/include/krb5_err.h. This file goes away for MIT, so you might > > want to keep a copy around.) > > - Look in the KDC's log if you have access to it. > > - Capture packets and look at them in wireshark. It can decode all > > the unencrypted stuff and that can give you a hint. > > - Try hard to always use fqdn names (put the fqdn first in the line > > in /etc/hosts if you use one of those). > > > > Good luck with it, but I doubt the transition to MIT will help? rick > > > >> > >> After I heard that Heimdal will be exchanged into MIT I was more then = happy. > >> > >> I currently wait till all that Heimdal -> MIT Kerberos change finish -= so I can try again. > >> > >> Hope that helps. > >> > >> Regards, > >> vermaden > >> > >> > >> > >> Temat: RFC: Heimdal FreeBSD KDC users > >> Data: 2025-10-05 22:58 > >> Nadawca: "Rick Macklem" > >> Adresat: "FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List" ; "Gleb Smirnoff" ; "Cy Schuber= t" ; > >> > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > I am posting to try and find out how many users > >> > are currently using the old Heimdal 1.5 KDC in > >> > FreeBSD 14.n and are interested in using the > >> > same KDC database in FreeBSD 15. > >> > > >> > I am asking because I just made a commit to > >> > main (which will soon be in stable/15) which > >> > adds support to the Heimdal code for doing > >> > a database dump in an MIT compatible format. > >> > --> The problem is that it will require a > >> > make buildworld, make installworld from > >> > sources with WITHOUT_MITKRB5=3D"yes" > >> > set in /etc/src.conf, followed by an (re)upgrade > >> > with the default MIT Kerberos setting. > >> > (ie. no WITHOUT_MITKRB5=3D"yes") > >> > > >> > Because the patch is rather large (commit 5000d023a446 > >> > in main) and a lot of it was a couple of cherry-picks > >> > from Heimdal 7.8, I cannot easily audit it for any > >> > security vulnerability it might have introduced. > >> > As such, I am not comfortable MFC'ng it to stable/14, > >> > although that would make the conversion path easier. > >> > > >> > So, who out there needs this Heimdal->MIT KDC > >> > database conversion? > >> > > >> > Thanks for any info, rick