From nobody Mon Dec 29 14:06:41 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dfydx0YMFz6Lqmv; Mon, 29 Dec 2025 14:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@www.zefox.net) Received: from www.zefox.net (www.zefox.net [50.1.20.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "pelorus.zefox.org", Issuer "pelorus.zefox.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dfydw3gfWz3nQl; Mon, 29 Dec 2025 14:04:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@www.zefox.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from www.zefox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.zefox.net (8.18.1/8.18.1) with ESMTPS id 5BTE6fGx069108 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 29 Dec 2025 06:06:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsd@www.zefox.net) Received: (from fbsd@localhost) by www.zefox.net (8.18.1/8.18.1/Submit) id 5BTE6fYQ069107; Mon, 29 Dec 2025 06:06:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsd) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2025 06:06:41 -0800 From: bob prohaska To: "js@freebsd.org" Cc: freebsd-arm , FreeBSD Current , Mark Millard Subject: Re: armv7 main's gpart [show]: signal 11 core dump during boot, before login; xo_format_string_direct; official pkgbase distribution (kernel and world) Message-ID: References: <73B5AB7B-E546-431C-AAF8-C20DB5616CD5@yahoo.com> <16109C94-D82C-4873-BC21-41B420A850EE@yahoo.com> <6C850038-7550-4954-A319-0F1484C31766@yahoo.com> <29DCA955-4FEB-4EB4-8AEC-01312C932456@yahoo.com> <2a58208c-1f84-4c6d-8c01-b9df50d4c5d3@FreeBSD.org> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2a58208c-1f84-4c6d-8c01-b9df50d4c5d3@FreeBSD.org> X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7065, ipnet:50.1.16.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dfydw3gfWz3nQl On Sun, Dec 28, 2025 at 06:44:54PM +0100, js@freebsd.org wrote: > Can someone with a FreeBSD 15 or 16 -CURRENT armv7 machine test if they're > also getting segfaults when running gpart show? Or better yet, if someone > has a test machine to lend me. > On a Pi2 v1.1 running root@pelorus:~ # uname -apKU FreeBSD pelorus.zefox.org 16.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT #12 main-n282490-f825427c0ae9: Mon Dec 15 18:04:49 PST 2025 bob@pelorus.zefox.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/arm.armv7/sys/GENERIC arm armv7 1600005 1600005 there's no obvious problem, but this system isn't pristine; it's been patched per Warner's suggestions in the thread titled "...assertion failure...": root@pelorus:~ # gpart show da0 => 63 1953525105 da0 MBR (932G) 63 1985 - free - (993K) 2048 102400 1 fat32lba [active] (50M) 104448 1953420720 2 freebsd (931G) root@pelorus:~ # gpart --libxo:JP show => 63 125042625 mmcsd0 MBR (60G) 63 1985 - free - (993K) 2048 102400 1 fat32lba [active] (50M) 104448 10381312 2 freebsd (5.0G) 10485760 114556928 - free - (55G) => 0 10381312 mmcsd0s2 BSD (5.0G) 0 128 - free - (64K) 128 10381184 1 freebsd-ufs (4.9G) => 63 125042625 diskid/DISK-5298532A MBR (60G) 63 1985 - free - (993K) 2048 102400 1 fat32lba [active] (50M) 104448 10381312 2 freebsd (5.0G) 10485760 114556928 - free - (55G) => 0 10381312 diskid/DISK-5298532As2 BSD (5.0G) 0 128 - free - (64K) 128 10381184 1 freebsd-ufs (4.9G) => 63 1953525105 da0 MBR (932G) 63 1985 - free - (993K) 2048 102400 1 fat32lba [active] (50M) 104448 1953420720 2 freebsd (931G) => 0 1953420720 da0s2 BSD (931G) 0 128 - free - (64K) 128 10381184 1 freebsd-ufs (4.9G) 10381312 3686400 2 freebsd-swap (1.8G) 14067712 4505600 - free - (2.1G) 18573312 1934847408 4 freebsd-ufs (923G) { } hth, bob prohaska From nobody Mon Dec 29 20:11:23 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dg6nC0Rlmz6MHfG for ; 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 8bd9970383129cf16f5e31c6004509a1; Mon, 29 Dec 2025 20:11:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3864.300.41.1.7\)) Subject: Re: armv7 main's gpart [show]: signal 11 core dump during boot, before login; xo_format_string_direct; official pkgbase distribution (kernel and world) Message-Id: <12E074CB-07A9-4F8E-AD09-954912D816A4@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2025 12:11:23 -0800 To: bob prohaska , freebsd-arm , FreeBSD Current X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3864.300.41.1.7) References: <12E074CB-07A9-4F8E-AD09-954912D816A4.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.64.206:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.64.206:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dg6n86mbBz3ckQ Bob prohaska wrote on Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2025 14:06:41 UTC : >=20 > On Sun, Dec 28, 2025 at 06:44:54PM +0100, js@freebsd.org wrote: > > Can someone with a FreeBSD 15 or 16 -CURRENT armv7 machine test if = they're > > also getting segfaults when running gpart show? Or better yet, if = someone > > has a test machine to lend me. > > >=20 > On a Pi2 v1.1 running root@pelorus:~ # uname -apKU > FreeBSD pelorus.zefox.org 16.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT #12 = main-n282490-f825427c0ae9: Mon Dec 15 18:04:49 PST 2025 = bob@pelorus.zefox.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/arm.armv7/sys/GENERIC arm armv7 = 1600005 1600005 Turns out that is a few days too early. The commit to be tested was: Thu, 18 Dec 2025 . . . =E2=80=A2 git: 4f809ffec69c - main - gpart: add libxo support for = "show" subcommand + man page updates Johan S=C3=B6llvander . . . But it does tend to suggest that the issue did not appear before that commit. > there's no obvious problem, but this system isn't pristine; it's been = patched > per Warner's suggestions in the thread titled "...assertion = failure...": >=20 > root@pelorus:~ # gpart show da0 > =3D> 63 1953525105 da0 MBR (932G) > 63 1985 - free - (993K) > 2048 102400 1 fat32lba [active] (50M) > 104448 1953420720 2 freebsd (931G) >=20 > root@pelorus:~ # gpart --libxo:JP show > =3D> 63 125042625 mmcsd0 MBR (60G) > 63 1985 - free - (993K) > 2048 102400 1 fat32lba [active] (50M) > 104448 10381312 2 freebsd (5.0G) > 10485760 114556928 - free - (55G) >=20 > =3D> 0 10381312 mmcsd0s2 BSD (5.0G) > 0 128 - free - (64K) > 128 10381184 1 freebsd-ufs (4.9G) >=20 > =3D> 63 125042625 diskid/DISK-5298532A MBR (60G) > 63 1985 - free - (993K) > 2048 102400 1 fat32lba [active] = (50M) > 104448 10381312 2 freebsd (5.0G) > 10485760 114556928 - free - (55G) >=20 > =3D> 0 10381312 diskid/DISK-5298532As2 BSD (5.0G) > 0 128 - free - (64K) > 128 10381184 1 freebsd-ufs (4.9G) >=20 > =3D> 63 1953525105 da0 MBR (932G) > 63 1985 - free - (993K) > 2048 102400 1 fat32lba [active] (50M) > 104448 1953420720 2 freebsd (931G) >=20 > =3D> 0 1953420720 da0s2 BSD (931G) > 0 128 - free - (64K) > 128 10381184 1 freebsd-ufs (4.9G) > 10381312 3686400 2 freebsd-swap (1.8G) > 14067712 4505600 - free - (2.1G) > 18573312 1934847408 4 freebsd-ufs (923G) >=20 > { } FYI: Mon, 29 Dec 2025 . . . =E2=80=A2 git: faff7013187b - main - geom_part: Fix format string = issues Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav . . . Is the intended fix to the problem. I've not synchronized yet. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Mon Dec 29 20:21:27 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dg70g2fgKz6MJSV for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2025 20:21:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gperciva@tarsnap.com) Received: from mail.tarsnap.com (mail.tarsnap.com [54.86.246.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4dg70d2KLjz3gm3 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2025 20:21:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gperciva@tarsnap.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=tarsnap.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of gperciva@tarsnap.com designates 54.86.246.204 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gperciva@tarsnap.com Received: (qmail 89703 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2025 20:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by mail.tarsnap.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2025 20:21:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2025 12:21:27 -0800 From: Graham Percival To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-git-weekly@tarsnap.com Cc: Colin Percival Subject: FreeBSD Git Weekly 2025-12-22 to 2025-12-28 Message-ID: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.01 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.952]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.92)[-0.922]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[tarsnap.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.44)[-0.435]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:54.86.246.204/32]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14618, ipnet:54.86.0.0/16, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[54.86.246.204:from]; BLOCKLISTDE_FAIL(0.00)[54.86.246.204:server fail]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dg70d2KLjz3gm3 Hi all, I'm happy to announce FreeBSD git weekly for 2025-12-22 -- 2025-12-28: https://freebsd-git-weekly.tarsnap.net/2025-12-22.html It's a list of the 81 commits in that week, split into categories. 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I see that you started it from a revision that already has 129e15d4994311958db59a1718d4ff42d440ce2b and it still is bad for you. This means a second problem exists in 3daae1ac1d82ecdcd855101bab5206e914b12350. I just tried to reproduce with exactly Dan's ruleset - no panic :( Maybe you can share how you reproduced during your bisection? Or maybe you can dump a core and share it? Very sorry for this breakage during the holidays. I really want to fix that ASAP, but I need more data. On Sun, Dec 28, 2025 at 11:36:05AM +0000, Alastair Hogge wrote: A> $ git bisect log A> git bisect start A> # status: waiting for both good and bad commits A> # bad: [086bedb11a853801e82234b8a1a64f0df52d9e52] tools.build: also add A> sys/_visible.h to SYSINCS A> git bisect bad 086bedb11a853801e82234b8a1a64f0df52d9e52 A> # status: waiting for good commit(s), bad commit known A> # good: [44cb1e857f048d2326bdc1a032ccd2c04d2bcdc9] tcp: improve A> credential handling in syncache A> git bisect good 44cb1e857f048d2326bdc1a032ccd2c04d2bcdc9 A> # good: [b0c7eaf83d21bbc333e247ab9e136965b3ca54ed] bhyve/slirp: Drop A> privileges before entering capability mode A> git bisect good b0c7eaf83d21bbc333e247ab9e136965b3ca54ed A> # good: [6a75e3951506c12b42428a47710d07cadcdd723e] ofed/libibverbs: A> remove strdupa() hack from config.h A> git bisect good 6a75e3951506c12b42428a47710d07cadcdd723e A> # bad: [1fad49baf390cb52f238e6c352d0bc0893c008c3] sdhci: Try to complete A> the last transaction if dumping A> git bisect bad 1fad49baf390cb52f238e6c352d0bc0893c008c3 A> # good: [9d9974457ce8c6cf9023884ab457d4712dcc237f] bhyvectl: fix build A> without BHYVE_SNAPSHOT A> git bisect good 9d9974457ce8c6cf9023884ab457d4712dcc237f A> # bad: [52395203f9ac40d321ed55d93e9887300261d3bf] MFV: Import blocklist A> 2025-12-15 (8a4b011) A> git bisect bad 52395203f9ac40d321ed55d93e9887300261d3bf A> # good: [c112ad75605ccdfcb8bbce2f57b0e7a077f057f8] options: describe A> WITH_IPFILTER_IPFS A> git bisect good c112ad75605ccdfcb8bbce2f57b0e7a077f057f8 A> # good: [8774a990ee4094f16d596d4b78e0f3239e5d0c88] bpf: modularize A> ifnet(9) part of bpf A> git bisect good 8774a990ee4094f16d596d4b78e0f3239e5d0c88 A> # bad: [1615eff94cda8619561b73186ec8098cc8b14c5c] usb: don't create A> ifnet(9) for usbus devices A> git bisect bad 1615eff94cda8619561b73186ec8098cc8b14c5c A> # good: [ddf4f9eda9c295082f17e7f26963666b72c97bb9] ipfw: create "ipfw0" A> and "ipfwlog0" bpf tapping points without ifnet(9) A> git bisect good ddf4f9eda9c295082f17e7f26963666b72c97bb9 A> # bad: [3daae1ac1d82ecdcd855101bab5206e914b12350] ipfw: create a bpf tap A> point for every log rule A> git bisect bad 3daae1ac1d82ecdcd855101bab5206e914b12350 A> # good: [1c5021f5251b231b614ad9cd175bcb4250495c12] ifconfig: print A> warning and return success on ipfw0, ipfwlog0 cloning A> git bisect good 1c5021f5251b231b614ad9cd175bcb4250495c12 A> # first bad commit: [3daae1ac1d82ecdcd855101bab5206e914b12350] ipfw: A> create a bpf tap point for every log rule A> A> https://codeberg.org/FreeBSD/freebsd-src/commit/3daae1ac1d82ecdcd855101bab5206e914b12350 A> ipfw: create a bpf tap point for every log rule A> A> Dynamically allocate bpf tap points for every rule that has "log". A> The name is "ipfw%u", where %u is substituted to the rule number. A> The default catch all "ipfw0" tap still exists for compatibility A> and it will catch packets in case if there are no bpf listeners A> on a per-rule tap. 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The problem affects rules with automatic rule numbers and logging. The attached patch should fix the problem, but it is not a final version. Dan & Alastair, if any of you can confirm that the patch heals your setup - I will appreciate. Again very sorry for this breakage. -- Gleb Smirnoff --NRMap2zL894rkLNM Content-Type: text/x-diff; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ipfw-log.diff diff --git a/sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_bpf.c b/sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_bpf.c index d9897f700d57..2a9f8d889f43 100644 --- a/sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_bpf.c +++ b/sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_bpf.c @@ -81,6 +81,8 @@ ipfw_tap_alloc(uint32_t rule) struct ipfw_tap *tap, key = { .rule = rule }; int n __diagused; + MPASS(rule > 0); + tap = RB_FIND(tap_tree, &V_tap_tree, &key); if (tap != NULL) { MPASS(tap->rule == rule); @@ -106,9 +108,10 @@ ipfw_tap_alloc(uint32_t rule) void ipfw_tap_free(uint32_t rule) { - struct ipfw_tap *tap, key = { .rule = rule }; + MPASS(rule > 0); + tap = RB_FIND(tap_tree, &V_tap_tree, &key); MPASS(tap != NULL); if (--tap->refs == 0) { diff --git a/sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_sockopt.c b/sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_sockopt.c index a91fb2e84da9..38e134a21141 100644 --- a/sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_sockopt.c +++ b/sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_sockopt.c @@ -210,7 +210,7 @@ ipfw_free_rule(struct ip_fw *rule) */ if (rule->refcnt > 1) return; - if (ACTION_PTR(rule)->opcode == O_LOG) + if (ACTION_PTR(rule)->opcode == O_LOG && rule->rulenum != 0) ipfw_tap_free(rule->rulenum); uma_zfree_pcpu(V_ipfw_cntr_zone, rule->cntr); free(rule, M_IPFW); @@ -552,6 +552,8 @@ ipfw_commit_rules(struct ip_fw_chain *chain, struct rule_check_info *rci, memcpy((char *)ci->urule + ci->urule_numoff, &rulenum, sizeof(rulenum)); } + if (ACTION_PTR(krule)->opcode == O_LOG) + ipfw_tap_alloc(krule->rulenum); } /* duplicate the remaining part, we always have the default rule */ @@ -2513,9 +2515,6 @@ import_rule_v1(struct ip_fw_chain *chain, struct rule_check_info *ci) /* Copy opcodes */ memcpy(krule->cmd, urule->cmd, krule->cmd_len * sizeof(uint32_t)); - - if (ACTION_PTR(krule)->opcode == O_LOG) - ipfw_tap_alloc(krule->rulenum); } /* --NRMap2zL894rkLNM-- From nobody Tue Dec 30 17:12:42 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dgfmN2vnvz6MDtP for ; 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A backtrace from chroot use on aarch64 looks like: Core was generated by `gpart show'. Program terminated with signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. Address not mapped to object. #0 0x200c5ef0 in delete_config (gp=3D0x2053c1dc) at = /usr/src/lib/libgeom/geom_xml2tree.c:502 warning: Source file is more recent than executable. 502 LIST_REMOVE(cf, lg_config); (gdb) bt #0 0x200c5ef0 in delete_config (gp=3D0x2053c1dc) at = /usr/src/lib/libgeom/geom_xml2tree.c:502 #1 geom_deletetree (gmp=3Dgmp@entry=3D0xffffcb30) at = /usr/src/lib/libgeom/geom_xml2tree.c:524 #2 0x204d2064 in gpart_show (req=3D, fl=3D) at /home/pkgbuild/worktrees/main/lib/geom/part/geom_part.c:808 #3 0x000230dc in run_command (argc=3D0, argv=3D) at = /usr/src/sbin/geom/core/geom.c:497 #4 0x00022308 in main (argc=3D1, argv=3D0xffffdc5c) at = /usr/src/sbin/geom/core/geom.c:861 Operation of the same armv7 world files in a booted armv7 kernel context does not get any SIGSEGV's. 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Test with/after 2025-Dec-29's: =E2=80=A2 git: faff7013187b - main - geom_part: Fix format string = issues Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav=20 See: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D292032 =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Wed Dec 31 03:06:38 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dgvxY6z34z6Lx0J for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2025 03:06:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from agh@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.riseup.net", Issuer "R12" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dgvxY4XGlz3GNb; Wed, 31 Dec 2025 03:06:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from agh@riseup.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from fews04-sea.riseup.net (fews04-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.154]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dgvxW6TPtzDqpP; Wed, 31 Dec 2025 03:06:39 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1767150400; bh=SfXBbXEYNr0v+BkMfxGrtEcLh4Tj4qiDT3yxOizezkM=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=fSgeuJcbun8HicgW4p1CBBV4XlrWe4cUgyeqG7BZYNMOPvSFRWSE62QA2pDAiB/8m iUCae8nChMO63VxaPir3yCZL4Z9cNeW+i3tN0/iXayfTo3GyAMXmvrlnrMyuFvqUOP YkJhx1swf3bXqXVbft2QUGOOHZB8ptq0gTH2RrVc= X-Riseup-User-ID: 0ABB15BF6D4C22001E1DE722236232FA463B8FFAAB8E0F49B49D2DE6DD61FCA3 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews04-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4dgvxW160pz5yQ6; Wed, 31 Dec 2025 03:06:39 +0000 (UTC) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2025 03:06:38 +0000 From: Alastair Hogge To: Gleb Smirnoff Cc: "Dan Mahoney (ports)" , FreeBSD User , Ronald Klop , FreeBSD CURRENT Subject: Re: CURRENT: kernel panic in IPFW while stopping jails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6ed6434fce515fb9dab694bb649da95b@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dgvxY4XGlz3GNb On 2025-12-31 01:02, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > Hi, Hi Gleb, > I have found the problem, thanks to Alastair for a core file. > > The problem affects rules with automatic rule numbers and logging. > > The attached patch should fix the problem, but it is not a final version. Is there a special patch incantation I should be aware of? I have tried the patch against both 8e951583936980909d34a6104ace781541fb62b1[1], and 4fecc8e3fe9408621429777b1028c9afb83c3925[2], and observed the following: $ patch -C -E --posix < /exports/fafnir/var/tmp/ipfw-log.diff Hmm... Looks like a unified diff to me... The text leading up to this was: -------------------------- |diff --git a/sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_bpf.c b/sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_bpf.c |index d9897f700d57..2a9f8d889f43 100644 |--- a/sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_bpf.c |+++ b/sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_bpf.c -------------------------- Patching file sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_bpf.c using Plan A... Hunk #1 failed at 81. Hunk #2 failed at 108. 2 out of 2 hunks failed while patching sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_bpf.c Hmm... The next patch looks like a unified diff to me... The text leading up to this was: -------------------------- |diff --git a/sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_sockopt.c b/sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_sockopt.c |index a91fb2e84da9..38e134a21141 100644 |--- a/sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_sockopt.c |+++ b/sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_sockopt.c -------------------------- Patching file sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_sockopt.c using Plan A... Hunk #1 failed at 210. Hunk #2 failed at 552. Hunk #3 failed at 2515. 3 out of 3 hunks failed while patching sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_sockopt.c done > Dan & Alastair, if any of you can confirm that the patch heals your setup - I > will appreciate. I manually patched in your work, and was able to boot a sync'd -CURRENT[2], with logging counters re-enabled, there has been no panics for ~20 minutes now. > Again very sorry for this breakage. Thanks for your prompt response, and efforts during the Holiday period. Happy Holidays, and good health to you and your friends/families. 1: https://codeberg.org/FreeBSD/freebsd-src/commit/8e951583936980909d34a6104ace781541fb62b1 2: https://codeberg.org/FreeBSD/freebsd-src/commit/4fecc8e3fe9408621429777b1028c9afb83c3925 From nobody Wed Dec 31 18:00:40 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dhHn81V3jz6M1l5 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2025 18:00:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R12" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dhHn80hnJz4Ctw; Wed, 31 Dec 2025 18:00:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1767204044; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=aKGcwhjsZDr0PZAxfEcVOQytvvIRVCqHygDszakRdrQ=; b=g4U/dP1g97MWoSab3s+qS2CRWRCpuRpumiKwpil3/U5+aouGefvq9/EMLv4qdo3LBMhVdZ v6Vf2d5yTT6nwG68hR2O3StnXqnJi+BDlzDBcbH08P4o0KIkPReXZcDnlONUzVDyWSC0eV 6iu1nXTiMe8OwS8QXOMt3GM4Qy9AJEc/58/rSfCMfx42j4aMhbk7XL4nCVCQYL+yRqDVfH 2Uqei5b602vv4gTmDQyZTtt7XBQU6OAGREbgUXnQbJ7kNUr24c3d6lH8ytZ83I45jTqf0M BZU50hQRABeSg00UXkyuRFeDhD1y5BM9JtMKFH+xS3M+KRzTYUOrnRteMymeEA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1767204044; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=aKGcwhjsZDr0PZAxfEcVOQytvvIRVCqHygDszakRdrQ=; b=EatLqEgdoIDuyim7mLqnAqaRu9sE75KYi6yeSsCXo7c7ltOIrWspB7maEiLpP1wY/Iu7na HujSIKLURpfZ8uPrj0edkvOlZJVqekS7EG5sGBuW6U98/c6g3FbMi56GtmD7WP2E5phq7j iyh4QuEWCngBBmAJwrlxlohORXqYlzoYhH4t65L7IZhicJL5RFgjMxSnPotpotz355QBMR An130yMd6cUQFRSUUnMKY5TjlynN/7emS9MJU5yV9wO+o9ad6q+V5vbBxcyH3v5Qg6wRUZ 6W5/qqRxBkbbUCZs6WCUSYYLs4r2Ezz4LVhlx9D1vqluUsGKw0W/pL9vZC+AMw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1767204044; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=PFebQava+onL0ctAUBTgch04ghFxGjDDsbf5e65iTJyKHfwoPhlIzGL3g1+fY89uy6mMFp DmsisFnPzKKaJ9JLoQdjTQzctmX0sP9zWYht/gG4utDXk4ThuDLezmnLl+4qla+jKxssAA IqORKLRmxuUz3WTWg9PM08zWLnMlNY6o1EwGS6FZB/10zRzphR9EsXYJZaEGk+n+pbUSEW S89yhBOTy0FE/VigfFYmJ8DeNPCFaPHJVLfKlrPWDOyOTvQCzfSZezfU/sI9P4Zifu5QVT zWrSPBU0q3JQGx9BVSh2GDLqYM6W5iV7cs7sXnv8UHGRhVlQ4iucHRvUQrRdpw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from cell.glebi.us (glebi.us [162.251.186.162]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: glebius) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4dhHn72cFJzlvn; Wed, 31 Dec 2025 18:00:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2025 10:00:40 -0800 From: Gleb Smirnoff To: Alastair Hogge Cc: "Dan Mahoney (ports)" , FreeBSD User , Ronald Klop , FreeBSD CURRENT Subject: Re: CURRENT: kernel panic in IPFW while stopping jails Message-ID: References: <6ed6434fce515fb9dab694bb649da95b@riseup.net> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6ed6434fce515fb9dab694bb649da95b@riseup.net> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 03:06:38AM +0000, Alastair Hogge wrote: A> > I have found the problem, thanks to Alastair for a core file. A> > A> > The problem affects rules with automatic rule numbers and logging. A> > A> > The attached patch should fix the problem, but it is not a final version. A> A> Is there a special patch incantation I should be aware of? I have tried A> the patch against both 8e951583936980909d34a6104ace781541fb62b1[1], and A> 4fecc8e3fe9408621429777b1028c9afb83c3925[2], and observed the following: ... A> 3 out of 3 hunks failed while patching sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_sockopt.c The only explanation I have is that your email agent has mangled the patch. A> > Dan & Alastair, if any of you can confirm that the patch heals your setup - I A> > will appreciate. A> A> I manually patched in your work, and was able to boot a sync'd A> -CURRENT[2], with logging counters re-enabled, there has been no panics A> for ~20 minutes now. Great! The patch as is isn't final. 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Message-Id: <2C79022B-6F51-4E67-808E-206C55627D82@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2025 17:36:54 -0800 To: FreeBSD Current X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3864.300.41.1.7) References: <2C79022B-6F51-4E67-808E-206C55627D82.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.48 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.983]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.64.146:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.64.146:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dhTvv5WF3z3pjF [The 2 related commits did not show up on dev-commits-src-main/2025-December/ to reply to (in my context anyway). Thus the questions to the list here.] How do WITH_DEPEND_CLEANUP= and WITH_META_MODE= interact? 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 2f54476a43dfa02bbdf3c32ad409e958; Thu, 01 Jan 2026 06:19:43 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3864.300.41.1.7\)) Subject: A question on how much of my list messaging is considered inappropriate content for the lists I post to? Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2025 22:19:32 -0800 To: freebsd-arm , FreeBSD Current X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3864.300.41.1.7) References: X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.46 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.993]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.968]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.69.32:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.69.32:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dhc9y2kskz3Hnw I've received a public request via part of a bugzilla comment on a submittal: "can you please stop treating our bug tracker and mailing lists as your personal blog?" I'm not trying to gauge general interest in reading my posts: it is perfectly normal for appropriate list material to not be of interest to more than some subset of folks. Instead I'm after learning if some of my posts are viewed as inappropriate posting activity --and, if some are, what about them is inappropriate (what should not have been posted). I've picked sending this request to freebsd-arm and freebsd-current, as I probably post to those more than to other lists most of the time. (Also, this sort of request does not fit well with bugzilla.) 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([2a01:cb15:8545:7700:62cf:84ff:fe81:caec]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 5b1f17b1804b1-47be272eaf8sm727826415e9.5.2026.01.01.00.45.41 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Jan 2026 00:45:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d2a8e91-c78b-4207-a4ab-41056333bdd5@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 09:45:40 +0100 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: A question on how much of my list messaging is considered inappropriate content for the lists I post to? To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: Content-Language: en-US From: Paul Floyd In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.97 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.994]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.991]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.989]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::333:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dhgQM6pgVz3VGD On 2026-01-01 07:19, Mark Millard wrote: > I've received a public request via part of a bugzilla > comment on a submittal: > > "can you please stop treating our bug tracker and mailing > lists as your personal blog?" > My suggestion is that you try to cut down unnecessary detail. It can sometime be difficult to find what the point of your messages are. If people ask for clarification you can always add the details later. 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To: Mark Millard Cc: freebsd-arm , FreeBSD Current Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000eb80f60647502337" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dhhFR2nFcz3YSZ --000000000000eb80f60647502337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No problems here. I appreciate explanations and perspective. On Thu, Jan 1, 2026, 1:20=E2=80=AFAM Mark Millard wrote= : > I've received a public request via part of a bugzilla > comment on a submittal: > > "can you please stop treating our bug tracker and mailing > lists as your personal blog?" > > I'm not trying to gauge general interest in reading my > posts: it is perfectly normal for appropriate list > material to not be of interest to more than some subset > of folks. Instead I'm after learning if some of my posts > are viewed as inappropriate posting activity --and, if > some are, what about them is inappropriate (what should > not have been posted). > > I've picked sending this request to freebsd-arm and > freebsd-current, as I probably post to those more than > to other lists most of the time. (Also, this sort of > request does not fit well with bugzilla.) But replies > need not be limited to content from those 2 lists. > > =3D=3D=3D > Mark Millard > marklmi at yahoo.com > > > --000000000000eb80f60647502337 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No problems here.=C2=A0 I appreciate explanations and per= spective.

On Thu, Jan 1, 2026, 1:20=E2=80=AFAM Mark Mi= llard <marklmi@yahoo.com> wr= ote:
I've received a public req= uest via part of a bugzilla
comment on a submittal:

"can you please stop treating our bug tracker and mailing
lists as your personal blog?"

I'm not trying to gauge general interest in reading my
posts: it is perfectly normal for appropriate list
material to not be of interest to more than some subset
of folks. Instead I'm after learning if some of my posts
are viewed as inappropriate posting activity --and, if
some are, what about them is inappropriate (what should
not have been posted).

I've picked sending this request to freebsd-arm and
freebsd-current, as I probably post to those more than
to other lists most of the time. (Also, this sort of
request does not fit well with bugzilla.) But replies
need not be limited to content from those 2 lists.

=3D=3D=3D
Mark Millard
marklmi at yahoo.com


--000000000000eb80f60647502337-- From nobody Thu Jan 1 09:26:47 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dhhKr1Zw8z6Ltcr for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2026 09:26:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dhhKq1k8Vz3ZHH for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2026 09:26:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from delta.joker.local (124-18-6-240.area1c.commufa.jp [124.18.6.240]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.18.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 6019QmM0063060; Thu, 1 Jan 2026 18:26:49 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dec.sakura.ne.jp; s=s2405; t=1767259609; bh=up8aZD5E7nCSuPVThgR7mR+vU38PSfoLxD0YeK2w+Ws=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=anPR/NF1b6NAXW5eJ9jGchgO8NM6fzejaBgdzC1Vr1728FIz8KxE7LP95WED8frPd 5Q07NVQNGOCaAB/3OB+s5fzdy4vff2KsLzO61ynUxyah7n783RGo2F4UTwivFmY1fh CY8X+RaCWDBhlfeeW9KTLrMgGtYa0bggkHwwURZM= Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 18:26:47 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: Paul Floyd Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, marklmi@yahoo.com Subject: Re: A question on how much of my list messaging is considered inappropriate content for the lists I post to? Message-Id: <20260101182647.83e09e83e81605690b1ff0fc@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <7d2a8e91-c78b-4207-a4ab-41056333bdd5@gmail.com> References: <7d2a8e91-c78b-4207-a4ab-41056333bdd5@gmail.com> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd15.0) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dhhKq1k8Vz3ZHH On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 09:45:40 +0100 Paul Floyd wrote: > > On 2026-01-01 07:19, Mark Millard wrote: > > I've received a public request via part of a bugzilla > > comment on a submittal: > > > > "can you please stop treating our bug tracker and mailing > > lists as your personal blog?" > > > My suggestion is that you try to cut down unnecessary detail. It can > sometime be difficult to find what the point of your messages are. If > people ask for clarification you can always add the details later. > > A+ > > Paul Putting serialized Bugzilla comments aside. Another thing I can mention is "broken threads". Replying as top post makes traking things harder. I assume it could be because Mark is receiving ML posts as summary. Or copy&pasting from web ML archives like I do for dev-commits-* MLs. For me, basically sbscribing with regular per-post receives, but dev-commits-* ML has too many posts to handle locally. (IIRC, previous ML server linked threads even for such kind of posts.) But if anyone replies to my post CC'ing me, my reply to it can be "properly threaded afterwards". And basically my posts to dev-commits-* ML are for anything needs urgent fixes or reverts, otherwise, filing PR. (If I have patches, sometimes opening review on Phablicator, too.) 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To: Mark Millard Cc: freebsd-arm , FreeBSD Current Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ff82f10647535846" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dhnLZ4zgJz3vZs --000000000000ff82f10647535846 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Jan 1, 2026, 07:20 Mark Millard wrote: > I've received a public request via part of a bugzilla > comment on a submittal: > > "can you please stop treating our bug tracker and mailing > lists as your personal blog?" someone had a bad day? your replies are always valuable, on point, and very helpful, I usually learn new stuff, thank you Mark, have a a good day and Happy New Year :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info --000000000000ff82f10647535846 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Jan 1, 2026, 07:20 Mark Millard= wrote:
=
I've received a publi= c request via part of a bugzilla
comment on a submittal:

"can you please stop treating our bug tracker and mailing
lists as your personal blog?"

=
someone had a bad day? your repli= es are always valuable, on point, and very helpful, I usually learn new stu= ff, thank you Mark, have a a good day and Happy New Year :-)

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CeDeROM, SQ= 7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
--000000000000ff82f10647535846-- From nobody Thu Jan 1 13:47:46 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dhp6v0pT9z6MCtL for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2026 13:47:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dsl@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R12" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dhp6v093Bz40QS; Thu, 01 Jan 2026 13:47:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dsl@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1767275271; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=X0bvZKFxHN+IQdoQOWwXqUXk5m2pweLVs25NtiPX+Os=; b=b5EhOKiAoijJ0kWeG1dlZltgBqGPe49+ElmKPla1uZ2B7gCImZSxhNvw2LdqzhRM82wGdd G5Ell6n39Wiq3o5Awmg3LwzJXTKdvHFkMRUL0niSN3ose3Deppw3ARpdz8caZlJf7ynm/4 4bMdrxDGQNGrpag6E6pZ3qjez9A2up4o6ngY+cPaL2M5kNocJpD0J14IMYRSoOX00E6vow U++pLXrfj8bM5vY2UWY6+clgRgc8O2hA47wOucI09tj4Hluht6bWtzfLVPOFOBtvViSPp+ qmJYCJMDhBCE7TVO9ZpJK5ySB5DZj/2r28jhNyK45qwfIRp2W10i7cJdXr4jtQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1767275271; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=X0bvZKFxHN+IQdoQOWwXqUXk5m2pweLVs25NtiPX+Os=; b=owLvQYUYwlj4UBxLzsMjADVk2doioZ96REepQIwZfoxt97kRVnp3X+pFGz679y7ahUDodo zck9jCLLRUmqrbMEe7o8WGaWiZLCjgzSlit6+GVLziOJNKixmm+g+5b2B3LKnkoT+DBhFl h7Y3Yx3m/EdwexucFHa+ugLiJFsbKqm5GtJL3JYMqVqsJUmXmbPbjAkrJyT4zNK5pR8mgo k3gjfzcn4V4PLf1Wpazt44dxPRfwPpBC29CUbwkqDpmXTcZpAseKSizc1ZhIIkFcRuDX+h xS+jgSN8VhupNIpELD/cADSF4GgGrNrxIL60U37NPIcZJpn9375QKaP4y+8acg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1767275271; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=bk90XRETMpPi8NfAHK0u7oRU1n+xyBVa6eiO9KC6q6APkaIXwFoCzef5EjzouCNM3GClbr 7P8V0FAr0owz0bGJP/Ngiq0JW5rHLp91nJ+xcoQQoRsfyexQLmkumG2DxeiOqundt/Fv45 YRtqOmGBy+u5qUOH5vxM13mMF6l5jCQic1x+oXqReJGK8PQc7m5U16OExhEo4hZKrtxfNj ahVPaQlglaCCEjD4vbRqk8sSGyQMLoJ4n7E3g6UmYpPMa+HXwHxGPlF5IMv1a/u/zihxFu GRdLWDaJraqFbAAilqMfKARenubdPurQCU/IpCsjUZstpY2Wl6oDRcoTgx96Lw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from localhost (unknown [91.226.51.235]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: dsl) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4dhp6t4bv8z1Cq7; Thu, 01 Jan 2026 13:47:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dsl@FreeBSD.org) From: Dmitry Salychev To: Paul Floyd Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A question on how much of my list messaging is considered inappropriate content for the lists I post to? In-Reply-To: <7d2a8e91-c78b-4207-a4ab-41056333bdd5@gmail.com> (Paul Floyd's message of "Thu, 1 Jan 2026 09:45:40 +0100") References: <7d2a8e91-c78b-4207-a4ab-41056333bdd5@gmail.com> User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.13; emacs 30.2 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2026 14:47:46 +0100 Message-ID: <86ldihqwal.fsf@peasant.salychev.org> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Paul Floyd writes: > On 2026-01-01 07:19, Mark Millard wrote: >> I've received a public request via part of a bugzilla >> comment on a submittal: >> >> "can you please stop treating our bug tracker and mailing >> lists as your personal blog?" >> > My suggestion is that you try to cut down unnecessary detail. It can > sometime be difficult to find what the point of your messages are. If > people ask for clarification you can always add the details later. > > A+ > > Paul I second this. It might also be hard for me to distill the message's essence which is frequently hidden behind a pile of details. Regards, Dmitry -- https://wiki.freebsd.org/DmitrySalychev From nobody Thu Jan 1 14:08:33 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dhpb76n2vz6MF6p for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2026 14:08:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trashcan@ellael.org) Received: from mx1.enfer-du-nord.net (mx1.enfer-du-nord.net [78.47.122.106]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dhpb66Kd5z42Fr for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2026 14:08:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trashcan@ellael.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ellael.org header.s=dkim header.b=bgnOKPr0; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=ellael.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of trashcan@ellael.org designates 78.47.122.106 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=trashcan@ellael.org Received: from smtpclient.apple (p200300fb4f2fde01511f3eb72aa119c0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [IPv6:2003:fb:4f2f:de01:511f:3eb7:2aa1:19c0]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.enfer-du-nord.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4dhpb01RL3z1S8C for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2026 15:08:44 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ellael.org; s=dkim; t=1767276524; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding; bh=B6UR6jizcKsNpR4bD96Z1FLnuCoLqMLe5QSXvD7RtJM=; b=bgnOKPr0TbpTEa9ivI/+7LuT21hel9AdclYlyaOSmnW3ysS3Wp3P/evXyLkE0oTReBez2D i3OIhYEToRKvZOCj9s6ZnCBB5SZe2oCHae5cAaJM0aKcEa95eIUV6KIiKHO3esjcIhiapf 6Pb/quIdLoVgh6vvEVM4oYpXAOHn1LAljwhXPIJK0dE1/P0TgxpJzra3lGDiH00V61mjZQ ENXvWbIKsGRzfKjlXbV5AmiPvByPGfZx6LvZz3bMccdADaiVN+TLfwx+KQOx2TL/6EhnJR t/ptFMvG2puKYbJuQ7+FKh58MJvAgY+8EvW+hnYquBRkgC5ieUv6E4h6TLcQ6g== From: Michael Grimm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3864.300.41.1.7\)) Subject: 100.chksetuid and PR 178005 Message-Id: <59CA2D66-999C-4AB2-B31D-9D7D109FDA11@ellael.org> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 15:08:33 +0100 To: FreeBSD Current X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3864.300.41.1.7) X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.71 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.993]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ellael.org,quarantine]; SUBJECT_ENDS_SPACES(0.50)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ellael.org:s=dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.47.122.106]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.08)[0.079]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[78.47.122.106:from]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ellael.org:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dhpb66Kd5z42Fr Hi, I found a 13 year old PR = https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D178005 from ngie@ = about unnecessary noise in daily security mails whenever an installworld = has been run. Nowadays with pkgbase being used daily|frequently this = issue might be even more pressing. I do have an alternative 100.chksetuid running at my site that more or = less does what that PR is all about. Questions (because I never done that before): #) Should I file a patch to this PR? #) Or should I open a new PR? #) And: would that be of interest at all? Regards and a Happy New Year, Michael From nobody Thu Jan 1 17:32:23 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dhv6D5fDRz6MSYH; Thu, 01 Jan 2026 17:32:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fuz@fuz.su) Received: from fuz.su (fuz.su [IPv6:2001:41d0:8:e508::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "fuz.su", Issuer "fuz.su" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dhv6D2m0Bz3RCH; Thu, 01 Jan 2026 17:32:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fuz@fuz.su) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from fuz.su (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fuz.su (8.18.1/8.18.1) with ESMTPS id 601HWNQL079560 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 1 Jan 2026 18:32:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from fuz@fuz.su) Received: (from fuz@localhost) by fuz.su (8.18.1/8.18.1/Submit) id 601HWNEu079559; Thu, 1 Jan 2026 18:32:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from fuz) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 18:32:23 +0100 From: Robert Clausecker To: Mark Millard Cc: freebsd-arm , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: A question on how much of my list messaging is considered inappropriate content for the lists I post to? Message-ID: References: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dhv6D2m0Bz3RCH Hi Mark, Am Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 10:19:32PM -0800 schrieb Mark Millard: > I'm not trying to gauge general interest in reading my > posts: it is perfectly normal for appropriate list > material to not be of interest to more than some subset > of folks. Instead I'm after learning if some of my posts > are viewed as inappropriate posting activity --and, if > some are, what about them is inappropriate (what should > not have been posted). I would appreciate if you ... - would post your threads to only one list at a time, as I usually get your mails two or three times from different lists usually. Decide which list is most appropriate and post there. If people care about ARM, they subscribe to the ARM list. If they don't, they don't. Respect their choice and keep ARM-related stuff on the ARM list so that people who don't care don't get your mails. - Remove all the noise and keep the emails succinct. If they are more than 100 lines I won't read them, as it takes too much time to get the useful bits out from all the extra stuff in them. In particalar, there is no need to post hundreds of lines of command output. - instead open a bugzilla issue with all the details - if you follow up, please only cite the relevant parts of your previous mails. Currently you cite the whole emails and just add some little blurp somewhere, making it extremely annoying to read followups. There is zero need to repeat all the old stuff, we all have your emails saved and can refer to them. 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RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32a:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dhvG43KrMz3T95 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------L0As4z80zMWs3SWXnoIKDPwK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 01/01/2026 09:26, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > … "broken threads". … True, however in my experience (a) the positive value added the by the content of Mark's emails FAR outweighs (b) the negatives of a person choosing to work, within the constraints and very many peculiarities of email, in a way that pleases the person. This is also a belated public thank-you to Mark, for the immense help that he has provided. People's brains ways work in many different ways. Not everyone wishes to maintain a colossal local archive of things that cannot be found, or browsed and understood with ease, with official remote archives. --------------L0As4z80zMWs3SWXnoIKDPwK Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 01/01/2026 09:26, Tomoaki AOKI wrote:

… "broken threads". …


True, however in my experience (a) the positive value added the by the content of Mark's emails FAR outweighs (b) the negatives of a person choosing to work, within the constraints and very many peculiarities of email, in a way that pleases the person.

This is also a belated public thank-you to Mark, for the immense help that he has provided.

People's brains ways work in many different ways. 

Not everyone wishes to maintain a colossal local archive of things that cannot be found, or browsed and understood with ease, with official remote archives. 

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REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dhxxG0v5Tz3sL3 Mark Millard wrote: > [The 2 related commits did not show up on dev-commits-src-main/2025-Dece= mber/ > to reply to (in my context anyway). Thus the questions to the list here.= ] > = > How do WITH_DEPEND_CLEANUP=3D and WITH_META_MODE=3D interact? Probably not well. > Do I need to set > WITHOUT_DEPEND_CLEANUP=3D to have META_MODE=3D work as it used to? My guess would be yes. It appears that MK_DEPEND_CLEANUP=3Dyes is an attempt to compensate for MK_META_MODE=3Dno With MK_META_MODE=3Dyes, things which are affected by changes to build options should be rebuilt, so there should no need to clean the whole tree. FWIW at work the only time I ever find it necessary to clean a tree (and usually only the stage tree - think; auto-populated DESTDIR) is when someone changes the location something (eg a library's headers) gets staged to. Without cleaning the stage tree, the build may pick up stale files. --sjg From nobody Thu Jan 1 23:30:46 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dj33l2T5mz6LtrT for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2026 23:30:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=7Fq3=7G=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (elsa.codelab.cz [94.124.105.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dj33k66sNz3MTg for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2026 23:30:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=7Fq3=7G=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F0AD78B1; Fri, 2 Jan 2026 00:30:49 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=quip.cz; s=private; t=1767310249; bh=uNPiAcpZ4EgvvyvfY3uWaHAjFSw6LXFC8R1gQXaEPK4=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=wBfw3JWxA793eEyoi01KDWfJOgnli3PbxwJXTN91B401xM4XH/j7fFGgf7vcROaX/ ztIEWBkCTmIpq8QpvRyP+wpVtcf9AmalsCBRrnUajnTgz5lxb35YkYlLYGwzUnNbwy MotdKAdl94anJMHALBTCUjHcCtb7aG5fj375V1jk= Received: from [192.168.145.49] (ip-89-177-27-225.bb.vodafone.cz [89.177.27.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B8D8D7896; Fri, 2 Jan 2026 00:30:46 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=quip.cz; s=private; t=1767310247; bh=uNPiAcpZ4EgvvyvfY3uWaHAjFSw6LXFC8R1gQXaEPK4=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=Vb4yk6bRiKG92+kPUbswo4nKN9v+VU4PE7qIQGcRaTDqrS3gm03Sgz0kWzxhPuSP4 ssavYSchdSktKh05CDAfSRyNe2Ewn/WxJ8OQT2hiIjjOnuoPfXCeiFhxRsCkktEuWe GDUo36naxfwppVWkDE+/f8viBkoJ39M0s4C90egk= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2026 00:30:46 +0100 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: 100.chksetuid and PR 178005 To: Michael Grimm , FreeBSD Current References: <59CA2D66-999C-4AB2-B31D-9D7D109FDA11@ellael.org> Content-Language: cs-Cestina From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> In-Reply-To: <59CA2D66-999C-4AB2-B31D-9D7D109FDA11@ellael.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42000, ipnet:94.124.104.0/21, country:CZ] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dj33k66sNz3MTg On 01/01/2026 15:08, Michael Grimm wrote: > I found a 13 year old PR https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=178005 from ngie@ about unnecessary noise in daily security mails whenever an installworld has been run. Nowadays with pkgbase being used daily|frequently this issue might be even more pressing. > > I do have an alternative 100.chksetuid running at my site that more or less does what that PR is all about. > > Questions (because I never done that before): > > #) Should I file a patch to this PR? > #) Or should I open a new PR? > #) And: would that be of interest at all? I think the patch to the original PR is the right way to go. But periodic looks like unwanted child. It may take 15 years to have some patches accepted. (PR 86388) Kind regards Miroslav Lachman From nobody Thu Jan 1 23:45:08 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dj3NQ2pnWz6LvVX for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2026 23:45:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-pj1-x1030.google.com (mail-pj1-x1030.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1030]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dj3NP5yPxz3PRX for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2026 23:45:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-pj1-x1030.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-34b75f7a134so8523454a91.0 for ; Thu, 01 Jan 2026 15:45:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1767311119; x=1767915919; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=2DabTnnuStJDIX+8uFmmPM/+310hGVtfPmCxHixQRjk=; b=T688RPc3lF/DSfZhaMHj1YTbzp1JLdI+QQZ0JBqR2qxzcb6rq9ViXobUGQA6dK7Cgs jWNBaNy2jdYkYBCEr8vlvQt9ulhekPWkFWk6AWW9d/x8UTEnUV9nmJxWilYoiaV8lKXA woBSZTiu3psoCEBUxIcqJZLqpNV52S+hN9jfVeC3STc3yIr5yJDrNNEVDY8TZojJ8+oN sb2/LzW+OdGXQlj/2DqGbMtM3RdJBhg3yi8lslkJ21Irpl9fy9Zh2eXqSCQailt/13bH RAiDj5wdh62R/OxwQLXROjGOZmmhZ7jeRmKGASRJMd8tPxDWTrNnHEY8S2jZGSnH6JDB AVrw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1767311119; x=1767915919; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-gg:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=2DabTnnuStJDIX+8uFmmPM/+310hGVtfPmCxHixQRjk=; b=voBb3FPS57i3bcuip3WJ6LIToXGbIjruH3jeKTiGaEWoNV233IbUc924BLTv1AEFd1 ZP0Vk0eGD7asZqG66BnwZV+Zm0YUX6dUm+QHcrMOzOMtGHHmxfxn4sFztkkL5P4RrL9t K2FwlMACx8M7mQe14GU0bbmxwfHG5TRZMJ3UNsHIyLZcorNxQD90zv5WyPZ23AvAJQw3 +GsY+252epLJ05dFg/lIEBKDu1UH1uKQ3HKYWAj6LtEfB/7EIJzQee1C5s9t8mtN6+Wt Z4eUtbyw7g4ZEQp26wRCWuPS5VUcDODfbhZzlnZoOPCrhlAjiM5ZnGkxNakU2I22/Pp2 ibbw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCV+oaXISJJzryHiKWeF123rBMb1SjGN2yr9TPcRKSnGCqze/PErGffdV/2JXLiXEpd22k6AXQJFA8GQntpVKlA=@freebsd.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwTEF5xG9LVjLLkjQIfQUxa3zafpY6QfQfJ2hST03S2rjldLevl 5bz0X442iTY4FAcQtzm/vrBLVtqmVIL8WV3ZtjbGn1lOMaZtoFjjppOaVqSAOooFURYI8r3JAss wBOAknuS4WK/M5f5v4YMJlPicipoqd+OsYzj2lOtOpHFdLy4/Mq1nVUk= X-Gm-Gg: AY/fxX6oUg2r7hEsEpFXCfy9Whrqr17akO4ztD92bXDZtqu8mW1jhRJ0Gd72xnH+WYT aV40TSI+vxhKYPWWEkoI8qePJMfnF1WUH/sh2BpzSPUuQDgPKNJSSNSVHgz0fBSfsKruHr4RIma R7k091HZ6P02syHimwFjiaH5r/SJi/5tw3Wd/iRt6CDQSnHGv9vB538rSayoSFSi3RPqiYU7OOf NAXAm2mHfWcCPsG6K9mTnaQYYh6JYfRXPh2m4hf8u05M8xfEo0obLCJPo6yqnQ6vKwOjGA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGkDKWLmLxlFzF9ViZ3mmiy7xXfMm4xTobXJXI7aPSiT4mGuF6PwJPrZhXgojBYyb1iDsPVxf1Ep60TgEHFbwE= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:3c4d:b0:32e:3829:a71c with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-34e9212a361mr36277541a91.16.1767311119012; Thu, 01 Jan 2026 15:45:19 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <59CA2D66-999C-4AB2-B31D-9D7D109FDA11@ellael.org> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 16:45:08 -0700 X-Gm-Features: AQt7F2pDuLfRvEqQotdaV2pWqDqkPUjX7PWdBX0c5BOdCl7n1SiGfx-9ob6RR_s Message-ID: Subject: Re: 100.chksetuid and PR 178005 To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Cc: Michael Grimm , FreeBSD Current Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000074e1e806475c2fcb" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dj3NP5yPxz3PRX --00000000000074e1e806475c2fcb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 1, 2026 at 4:31=E2=80=AFPM Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> = wrote: > On 01/01/2026 15:08, Michael Grimm wrote: > > > I found a 13 year old PR > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D178005 from ngie@ abo= ut > unnecessary noise in daily security mails whenever an installworld has be= en > run. Nowadays with pkgbase being used daily|frequently this issue might b= e > even more pressing. > > > > I do have an alternative 100.chksetuid running at my site that more or > less does what that PR is all about. > > > > Questions (because I never done that before): > > > > #) Should I file a patch to this PR? > > #) Or should I open a new PR? > > #) And: would that be of interest at all? > I think the patch to the original PR is the right way to go. But > periodic looks like unwanted child. It may take 15 years to have some > patches accepted. (PR 86388) > Yes. That's kinda true. But maybe we need more targeted bug busting / hackathons? Warner --00000000000074e1e806475c2fcb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Jan 1, = 2026 at 4:31=E2=80=AFPM Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote:
On 01/01/2026 15:08, Michael Grimm wrote:

> I found a 13 year old PR https://bugs= .freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D178005 from ngie@ about unneces= sary noise in daily security mails whenever an installworld has been run. N= owadays with pkgbase being used daily|frequently this issue might be even m= ore pressing.
>
> I do have an alternative 100.chksetuid running at my site that more or= less does what that PR is all about.
>
> Questions (because I never done that before):
>
> #) Should I file a patch to this PR?
> #) Or should I open a new PR?
> #) And: would that be of interest at all?
I think the patch to the original PR is the right way to go. But
periodic looks like unwanted child. It may take 15 years to have some
patches accepted. (PR 86388)

Yes. That&= #39;s kinda true. But maybe we need more targeted=C2=A0bug busting / hackat= hons?

Warner
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Sorry for delay, I've been doing a long cross-country = drive. -Dan > On Dec 31, 2025, at 12:00=E2=80=AFPM, Gleb Smirnoff = wrote: >=20 > On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 03:06:38AM +0000, Alastair Hogge wrote: > A> > I have found the problem, thanks to Alastair for a core file. > A> >=20 > A> > The problem affects rules with automatic rule numbers and = logging. > A> >=20 > A> > The attached patch should fix the problem, but it is not a final = version. > A>=20 > A> Is there a special patch incantation I should be aware of? I have = tried > A> the patch against both 8e951583936980909d34a6104ace781541fb62b1[1], = and > A> 4fecc8e3fe9408621429777b1028c9afb83c3925[2], and observed the = following: > ... > A> 3 out of 3 hunks failed while patching = sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_sockopt.c >=20 > The only explanation I have is that your email agent has mangled the = patch. >=20 > A> > Dan & Alastair, if any of you can confirm that the patch heals = your setup - I > A> > will appreciate. > A>=20 > A> I manually patched in your work, and was able to boot a sync'd > A> -CURRENT[2], with logging counters re-enabled, there has been no = panics > A> for ~20 minutes now. >=20 > Great! The patch as is isn't final. 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From: "Enji Cooper (yaneurabeya)" In-Reply-To: <86ldihqwal.fsf@peasant.salychev.org> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 19:23:34 -0800 Cc: Paul Floyd , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <358ACE63-4FC7-451B-8002-D24B283FCB6D@gmail.com> References: <7d2a8e91-c78b-4207-a4ab-41056333bdd5@gmail.com> <86ldihqwal.fsf@peasant.salychev.org> To: Dmitry Salychev X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81.1.4) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dj8DL6cPVz3l5R > On Jan 1, 2026, at 5:47=E2=80=AFAM, Dmitry Salychev = wrote: >=20 > Paul Floyd writes: >=20 >> On 2026-01-01 07:19, Mark Millard wrote: >>> I've received a public request via part of a bugzilla >>> comment on a submittal: >>>=20 >>> "can you please stop treating our bug tracker and mailing >>> lists as your personal blog?" >>>=20 >> My suggestion is that you try to cut down unnecessary detail. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 02/01/2026 03:23, Enji Cooper (yaneurabeya) wrote: >> On Jan 1, 2026, at 5:47 AM, Dmitry Salychev wrote: >> >> >> Paul Floyd writes: >> >> >>> On 2026-01-01 07:19, Mark Millard wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I've received a public request via part of a bugzilla >>>> comment on a submittal: >>>> >>>> "can you please stop treating our bug tracker and mailing >>>> lists as your personal blog?" >>> >>> My suggestion is that you try to cut down unnecessary detail. It can >>> sometime be difficult to find what the point of your messages are. If >>> people ask for clarification you can always add the details later. >> >> I second this. It might also be hard for me to distill the message's >> essence which is frequently hidden behind a pile of details. > > I third this: more information isn’t necessarily better and there are different ways of capturing different information (maybe a blog or diary would be helpful for raw form ideas like that :)!). If something gets too noisy, I tune it out (and potentially miss some helpful information in the meantime). … Earlier, I mentioned the constraints and very many peculiarities of email. Above, quotation levels have broken. In a thread elsewhere, a request for clarification (for additional details) might break quotation levels and/or wrapping. The subsequent details might additionally break quotation levels and/or wrapping. Distillation of a message = its essence. A subject line is essential, a _good_ subject line is essential, and if the essence (the distillation is) presented _as_ the subject line, the essential change of the subject line will please some people, will displease others. We can not please everyone. Less information, succinctness, is not necessarily better.  I could share an example of succinctness that breaks all ground rules of the FreeBSD Community Code of Conduct. My reason for not sharing here and now is not mutual respect for the value of brevity. FreeBSD-specific information that is blogged beyond the freebsd.org domain pleases some people, displeases others. Some of the people who are not pleased are absent from the less than entirely public places where values such as centralisation are discussed. --------------FqIWQgq1SVMXXUnKhKfqnz49 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 02/01/2026 03:23, Enji Cooper (yaneurabeya) wrote:

On Jan 1, 2026, at 5:47 AM, Dmitry Salychev <dsl@FreeBSD.org> wrote:


Paul Floyd <paulf2718@gmail.com> writes:



On 2026-01-01 07:19, Mark Millard wrote:



I've received a public request via part of a bugzilla
comment on a submittal:

"can you please stop treating our bug tracker and mailing
lists as your personal blog?"


My suggestion is that you try to cut down unnecessary detail. It can
sometime be difficult to find what the point of your messages are. If
people ask for clarification you can always add the details later.


I second this. It might also be hard for me to distill the message's
essence which is frequently hidden behind a pile of details.


I third this: more information isn’t necessarily better and there are different ways of capturing different information (maybe a blog or diary would be helpful for raw form ideas like that :)!). If something gets too noisy, I tune it out (and potentially miss some helpful information in the meantime). …


Earlier, I mentioned the constraints and very many peculiarities of email. 

Above, quotation levels have broken. 

In a thread elsewhere, a request for clarification (for additional details) might break quotation levels and/or wrapping. 

The subsequent details might additionally break quotation levels and/or wrapping. 

Distillation of a message = its essence. A subject line is essential, a _good_ subject line is essential, and if the essence (the distillation is) presented _as_ the subject line, the essential change of the subject line will please some people, will displease others. 

We can not please everyone. 

Less information, succinctness, is not necessarily better.  I could share an example of succinctness that breaks all ground rules of the FreeBSD Community Code of Conduct. My reason for not sharing here and now is not mutual respect for the value of brevity.

FreeBSD-specific information that is blogged beyond the freebsd.org domain pleases some people, displeases others. 

Some of the people who are not pleased are absent from the less than entirely public places where values such as centralisation are discussed. 

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Gerraty" Cc: Mark Millard , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: How do WITH_DEPEND_CLEANUP= and WITH_META_MODE= interact? To get the old WITH_META_MODE= behavior, is WITHOUT_DEPEND_CLEANUP= needed? In-Reply-To: <23.1767296340@kaos.jnpr.net> (Simon J. Gerraty's message of "Thu, 1 Jan 2026 11:39:00 -0800") References: <2C79022B-6F51-4E67-808E-206C55627D82.ref@yahoo.com> <2C79022B-6F51-4E67-808E-206C55627D82@yahoo.com> <23.1767296340@kaos.jnpr.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2026 09:10:21 +0100 Message-ID: <86y0mgjuz6.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Simon J. Gerraty" writes: > Mark Millard writes: > > How do WITH_DEPEND_CLEANUP=3D and WITH_META_MODE=3D interact? > Probably not well. They interact just fine. > > Do I need to set > > WITHOUT_DEPEND_CLEANUP=3D to have META_MODE=3D work as it used to? > My guess would be yes. That's not a guess, that's a knee-jerk reaction to something new that you don't understand and didn't bother to research. > It appears that MK_DEPEND_CLEANUP=3Dyes is an attempt to compensate for > MK_META_MODE=3Dno Not in the least. 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Nowadays with pkgbase being used daily|frequently this = issue might be even more pressing. > >=20 > > I do have an alternative 100.chksetuid running at my site that more = or less does what that PR is all about. > >=20 > > Questions (because I never done that before): > >=20 > > #) Should I file a patch to this PR? > > #) Or should I open a new PR? > > #) And: would that be of interest at all? > I think the patch to the original PR is the right way to go. But=20 > periodic looks like unwanted child. It may take 15 years to have some=20= > patches accepted. (PR 86388) > Yes. That's kinda true. But maybe we need more targeted bug busting / = hackathons? 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To get the old WITH_META_MODE= behavior, is WITHOUT_DEPEND_CLEANUP= needed? In-Reply-To: <86y0mgjuz6.fsf@ltc.des.dev> References: <2C79022B-6F51-4E67-808E-206C55627D82.ref@yahoo.com> <2C79022B-6F51-4E67-808E-206C55627D82@yahoo.com> <23.1767296340@kaos.jnpr.net> <86y0mgjuz6.fsf@ltc.des.dev> Comments: In-reply-to: =?us-ascii?Q?=3D=3Futf-8=3FQ=3FDag-Erling=5FSm=3DC3?= =?us-ascii?Q?=3DB8rgrav=3F=3D?= message dated "Fri, 02 Jan 2026 09:10:21 +0100." From: "Simon J. 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REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22843, ipnet:67.231.152.0/24, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4djW6N22zxz3HZJ Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: > > > Do I need to set > > > WITHOUT_DEPEND_CLEANUP=3D to have META_MODE=3D work as it used to? > > My guess would be yes. >=20 > That's not a guess, that's a knee-jerk reaction to something new that > you don't understand and didn't bother to research. Its a polite way of saying "I think so". I did actually look at your patch, and do a buildworld to see what is being recorded before stating the above. AFAICT MK_DEPEND_CLEANUP=3Dyes tracks and compares the values of all the known options (sans those known to be not relevant) and if any change, is supposed to trigger a clean of the tree. What did I miss? If my assessment of the behavior is correct, I'd argue it is unnecessary if MK_META_MODE=3Dyes, and infact counter productive. As I noted, there are cases where you still might want to do a tree clean if using META_MODE, but changing option values shouldn't be one of them. --sjg From nobody Fri Jan 2 18:57:52 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4djXyp0BXnz6M5r0 for ; Fri, 02 Jan 2026 18:58:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (prime.gushi.org [IPv6:2620:137:6000:10::142]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) client-digest SHA384) (Client CN "prime.gushi.org", Issuer "E7" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4djXym36Plz3SvM; Fri, 02 Jan 2026 18:58:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gushi.org header.s=prime2014 header.b=W1ZQfRMk; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gushi.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@gushi.org designates 2620:137:6000:10::142 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@gushi.org Received: from smtpclient.apple ([IPv6:2001:500:6b:200:c000:0:0:75a]) (authenticated bits=0) by prime.gushi.org (8.18.1/8.18.1) with ESMTPSA id 602IwEpY096909 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 2 Jan 2026 18:58:15 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 prime.gushi.org 602IwEpY096909 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gushi.org; s=prime2014; t=1767380296; bh=/uLPDv8xhQtm4vimLWk6xLLrE2haK+VG+sDknfCg5f4=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; z=Subject:=20Re:=20CURRENT:=20kernel=20panic=20in=20IPFW=20while=20 stopping=20jails|From:=20"Dan=20Mahoney=20(ports)"=20|In-Reply-To:=20|Date:=20Fri,=202=20Jan=202026=2012:57:52=20-0600|Cc:=20Alasta ir=20Hogge=20,=0D=0A=20FreeBSD=20User=20,=0D=0A=20Ronald=20Klop=20,=0D =0A=20FreeBSD=20CURRENT=20|References :=20=0D=0A=20<6ed6434fce515fb9dab6 94bb649da95b@riseup.net>=0D=0A=20= 0D=0A=20|To:=20Gle b=20Smirnoff=20; b=W1ZQfRMktmG1gbr4eOzOHJpxGA3I9EzecTdSAMJ6Y2RYPz4z6bWKimxED1IXtK/t5 NmIjSBIwb4JC7I53QlKF8iVHuW36e02O9xr5jt2m4kmZXNBB8MeHGHHGmqsk8ZLEnf jQ2F2h2g0B5uT9efZGimlegmNknBcU4BHdJU3bClkmGuGDkpcwjtDgby4huqSa6qzT hhnj6YBvnT5m8GtNjLMaf9CFp6+Y4SJus05iMJFiqffmi0UHSp0UWFUoqF54TIxKDL abyeZuklvpQEFbRwhuR/XsChe9SD+vqLnPw49dHjYuPL3iMbh38tDrHAWmUxtrNiFC a7DnVqBdHpm1g== X-Authentication-Warning: prime.gushi.org: Host [IPv6:2001:500:6b:200:c000:0:0:75a] claimed to be smtpclient.apple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3864.300.41.1.7\)) Subject: Re: CURRENT: kernel panic in IPFW while stopping jails From: "Dan Mahoney (ports)" In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2026 12:57:52 -0600 Cc: Alastair Hogge , FreeBSD User , Ronald Klop , FreeBSD CURRENT Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <39862682-0F6D-4563-A9CE-276CF61556B8@gushi.org> References: <6ed6434fce515fb9dab694bb649da95b@riseup.net> To: Gleb Smirnoff X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3864.300.41.1.7) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.30 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[gushi.org:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gushi.org,none]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gushi.org:s=prime2014]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:393507, ipnet:2620:137:6000::/44, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gushi.org:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4djXym36Plz3SvM Glebius Confirmed, this now fixes the issue (which apparently involves = auto-numbered rules and the "log" keyword). At some point, I'll make sure I have the process down to capture a core = dump more easily for you. Welcome to the fun of tracking MAIN :) Thanks for all your quick work. Please do let me know then this change = makes it into git. -Dan > On Jan 1, 2026, at 7:57=E2=80=AFPM, Dan Mahoney (ports) = wrote: >=20 > Building now. Sorry for delay, I've been doing a long cross-country = drive. >=20 > -Dan >=20 >> On Dec 31, 2025, at 12:00=E2=80=AFPM, Gleb Smirnoff = wrote: >>=20 >> On Wed, Dec 31, 2025 at 03:06:38AM +0000, Alastair Hogge wrote: >> A> > I have found the problem, thanks to Alastair for a core file. >> A> >=20 >> A> > The problem affects rules with automatic rule numbers and = logging. >> A> >=20 >> A> > The attached patch should fix the problem, but it is not a final = version. >> A>=20 >> A> Is there a special patch incantation I should be aware of? I have = tried >> A> the patch against both = 8e951583936980909d34a6104ace781541fb62b1[1], and >> A> 4fecc8e3fe9408621429777b1028c9afb83c3925[2], and observed the = following: >> ... >> A> 3 out of 3 hunks failed while patching = sys/netpfil/ipfw/ip_fw_sockopt.c >>=20 >> The only explanation I have is that your email agent has mangled the = patch. >>=20 >> A> > Dan & Alastair, if any of you can confirm that the patch heals = your setup - I >> A> > will appreciate. >> A>=20 >> A> I manually patched in your work, and was able to boot a sync'd >> A> -CURRENT[2], with logging counters re-enabled, there has been no = panics >> A> for ~20 minutes now. >>=20 >> Great! The patch as is isn't final. 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To: FreeBSD CURRENT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.995]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::532:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4djkGG4grTz3kX0 Hi, Maybe I've just done something weird, but the debug options seem to be missing from GENERIC in main, at least for sys/amd64/conf/GENERIC. 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Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zmY36mJLv275VmlF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: --zmY36mJLv275VmlF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick Macklem wrote in : > Maybe I've just done something weird, but the > debug options seem to be missing from GENERIC > in main, at least for sys/amd64/conf/GENERIC. >=20 > I'm referring to options like... > options INVARIANTS those options are now in sys/conf/std.debug, which is included by GENERIC(-DEBUG). --zmY36mJLv275VmlF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYKAB0WIQSyjTg96lp3RifySyn1nT63mIK/YAUCaVh48QAKCRD1nT63mIK/ YKMIAP9EEF7fJrGxaG8veHiGfT4zmmfV1/Z1pZIi9K/7tLl8QQD+MHha6cILz0xB hZDCVT9cs7V0si6dV4yeq/EHeh9wdAI= =qf85 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zmY36mJLv275VmlF-- From nobody Sat Jan 3 02:11:42 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4djkb02td9z6MgS2 for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2026 02:11:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from kib.kiev.ua (kib.kiev.ua [IPv6:2001:470:d5e7:1::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4djkZy5SwTz3njB for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2026 02:11:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2001:470:d5e7:1::1 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of kostikbel@gmail.com) smtp.mailfrom=kostikbel@gmail.com Received: from tom.home (kib@localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by kib.kiev.ua (8.18.1/8.18.1) with ESMTP id 6032Bgwg064939; Sat, 3 Jan 2026 04:11:45 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 kib.kiev.ua 6032Bgwg064939 Received: (from kostik@localhost) by tom.home (8.18.1/8.18.1/Submit) id 6032Bgrh064938; Sat, 3 Jan 2026 04:11:42 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: tom.home: kostik set sender to kostikbel@gmail.com using -f Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 04:11:42 +0200 From: Konstantin Belousov To: Rick Macklem Cc: FreeBSD CURRENT Subject: Re: Debug options in GENERIC for main? 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To: Konstantin Belousov Cc: FreeBSD CURRENT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4djkn40yw9z3rrD On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 6:12=E2=80=AFPM Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 02, 2026 at 05:57:05PM -0800, Rick Macklem wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Maybe I've just done something weird, but the > > debug options seem to be missing from GENERIC > > in main, at least for sys/amd64/conf/GENERIC. > > > > I'm referring to options like... > > options INVARIANTS > > > > Is this intentional? > Look for the > include "std.debug" > line in GENERIC > Duh. I was looking at a 15.0 kernel and not a main one. Just the first of many dumb things I'll do in 2026;-) rick From nobody Sat Jan 3 19:03:52 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dk92h1lPJz6Mgwx for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2026 19:03:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R12" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dk92h1934z3LZl; Sat, 03 Jan 2026 19:03:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1767467036; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=R8yvCtQ2SRGpis8ODNAVQfajZgD+L1hwIw2iocIbfUk=; b=d1xI3teFKr9fZHF+im3dNCqPAuf23kga8hbD+JXF0q6T6TfeX0zfBjjPUBSA73kxaIbeE/ soenJekqZnKR54fgNinMZwkyd9B6/1KtagXbWvwmOjX9QvGI4Y/L85GG1L8v0s8H7Dynbk wTbNXYPfATcqtaEh10h4q4kU0Sz87jG/uyeCOkp1zSv3vDiYMOkGZozKSTl+fmltakvRgZ bP8tUhTF3YEH9CxTzfPwoGJZjjEmwmQ9HKphqD4f9iwH/+Pcxelcv7pLCYOCRwkpmJ3wdi Pn2x0y7i5kTvV7AafYBhkAd4U8PvDEcd1p8uF6lG7VX6jK0T/j2vsUFqVoSPiw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1767467036; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=R8yvCtQ2SRGpis8ODNAVQfajZgD+L1hwIw2iocIbfUk=; b=vASeOt/mDM8eObok7m0/8VNqkhUP9jF73ZBwz3SGwMQcR2nmuJ2jLECx7w8AIoc2br2I/r t0aRHg/B2UKAtsTbHufdjnkbw+FZ7xIgnCKZCCY1UHUWseiO9QX1951CBf1NRAsZhfQYvp L8XgKOlce1lrl/iUUUWjGg4qgN4IMj70MXa4kiqyfLT8JwOfJvdjE/vbbHYMZMrywJIHxy aBoje53KpVJck+aIuT8fYlFPeAV8ED284rfKlP1euDZ3Iz144Ak5qEW0Ezj5q04ko078P8 3ovWyxxKoxRef5oUBQN9wbb0oS4u4pQGiHzpAW339DBgYHZvbT8gz8pGIZjfCQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1767467036; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=xKlJqL/gUsL2gLpoHEpW6H3AYFjNZmfx6t2Hf4Bu5mAJw6ri1Ew0mdOw204uorc8Dh5OEO 8AxkXnyFEjQj8kY3+/VXR+BdxIe85JnJSaLQLgFivpsd0tVWPeKi8nmIp9Pkr96bv3crU+ Zk2UShkqDQk/sujU7g4jOoYr7Nk1YgeBMXsPTtReRp3YhM2a2IbizCrHYTgAf0puP2WCaW o2JYFaTQTQuclcP/sTRjA/Mb/jbSbqn0y1FkzfgL254sVcA0smyFp2fV361cX3Ygi/Tmpm 60lo5DBb0HqM+X0hI9e4Ym68CklU2RAzNy4G1sPJASnPrt1dl7qT4WfbTSADuA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from cell.glebi.us (glebi.us [162.251.186.162]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: glebius) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4dk92g2YZRz9yP; Sat, 03 Jan 2026 19:03:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 11:03:52 -0800 From: Gleb Smirnoff To: "Dan Mahoney (ports)" Cc: Alastair Hogge , FreeBSD User , Ronald Klop , FreeBSD CURRENT Subject: Re: CURRENT: kernel panic in IPFW while stopping jails Message-ID: References: <6ed6434fce515fb9dab694bb649da95b@riseup.net> <39862682-0F6D-4563-A9CE-276CF61556B8@gushi.org> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <39862682-0F6D-4563-A9CE-276CF61556B8@gushi.org> On Fri, Jan 02, 2026 at 12:57:52PM -0600, Dan Mahoney (ports) wrote: D> Glebius D> D> Confirmed, this now fixes the issue (which apparently involves auto-numbered rules and the "log" keyword). D> D> At some point, I'll make sure I have the process down to capture a core dump more easily for you. Welcome to the fun of tracking MAIN :) D> D> Thanks for all your quick work. Please do let me know then this change makes it into git. The change itself surfaced a problem with my bpf patch as well as with some locking design of ipfw. If you use the patch as is it will print warnings with WITNESS, and these warnings are legitimate. I'm working on a better solution. I might check in the patch as is to prevent people with autonumbered logging rules stepping on the panic meanwhile. -- Gleb Smirnoff From nobody Sat Jan 3 19:11:42 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dk9Cs1nQLz6MhhN for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2026 19:11:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@catflap.org) Received: from donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net [IPv6:2001:19f0:7400:8808:12:4:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dk9Cq2WYrz3NHc for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2026 19:11:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@catflap.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=catflap.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jamie@catflap.org designates 2001:19f0:7400:8808:12:4:0:1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jamie@catflap.org X-Catflap-Envelope-From: X-Catflap-Envelope-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Received: from donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net [209.250.224.51]) by donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 603JBgHf085821; Sat, 3 Jan 2026 19:11:42 GMT (envelope-from jamie@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id 603JBgn8085820; Sat, 3 Jan 2026 19:11:42 GMT (envelope-from jamie) From: Jamie Landeg-Jones Message-Id: <202601031911.603JBgn8085820@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2026 19:11:42 +0000 Organization: Dyslexic Fish To: marklmi@yahoo.com, grahamperrin@gmail.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: A question on how much of my list messaging is considered inappropriate content for the lists I post to? References: <7d2a8e91-c78b-4207-a4ab-41056333bdd5@gmail.com> <20260101182647.83e09e83e81605690b1ff0fc@dec.sakura.ne.jp> <2c7c87e9-b206-4a04-8458-4ee0f4533090@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2c7c87e9-b206-4a04-8458-4ee0f4533090@gmail.com> User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net [209.250.224.51]); Sat, 03 Jan 2026 19:11:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.41 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.878]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.83)[-0.833]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[catflap.org,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:dyslexicfish.net]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:7400::/38, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com,gmail.com,FreeBSD.org]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[jamie]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dk9Cq2WYrz3NHc Graham Perrin wrote: > On 01/01/2026 09:26, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > > > … "broken threads". … > > > True, however in my experience (a) the positive value added the by the > content of Mark's emails FAR outweighs (b) the negatives of a person > choosing to work, within the constraints and very many peculiarities of > email, in a way that pleases the person. That's how I view things. The broken threads are annoying, but Mark adds so much value to this lists, that it's not an issue. And yes, some of his posts are verbose, but if I'm not interested in them, I skip over them. Simples! My only gripe with the posts on here is not related to Mark - there's so much top posting and lack of reply-editing. It's like eternal September here these days. But ultimately, these lists are a resource that I don't feel are abused. From nobody Sat Jan 3 21:09:34 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dkCrN4GLzz6LrB7 for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2026 21:10:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@walstatt-de.de) Received: from smtp052.goneo.de (smtp5.goneo.de [IPv6:2001:1640:5::8:30]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dkCrN0V54z3m3P; Sat, 03 Jan 2026 21:10:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@walstatt-de.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from hub2.goneo.de (hub2.goneo.de [IPv6:2001:1640:5::8:53]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp5.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C9B7240C8E; Sat, 3 Jan 2026 22:10:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from hub2.goneo.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub2.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 906B8240350; Sat, 3 Jan 2026 22:10:02 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=walstatt-de.de; s=DKIM001; t=1767474602; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=hmODXGkbFrryUDtyfReqrr/tEe6lUdiKkQitbH1YC5Q=; b=AqiI0vIkDbha3gf8i86Yd+eJFQPFNJzv9o6sKBqRSBH4lqtp18ZDhhcwzE7u1tOVzwyvr+ BtNuLl8OFrAolDLARkX7tY37+bnlTv8RMhN7HN10SmwJCrPmmLiHbVUKgL5j4/BnpILt9A lXD9LFlA9X9U4ncms3sDwuf8HivY1K8dxG2eW7HuB8K3apySGRWflHFRd0P/ArAiiRKQpN OOZICsmVUHsLTHQME5LToKSMLFxonmP1z+FWzQsFfUV5T9ZBKRgwaxFZDH9zT17m8yy4Og d5zlCEe2DOzPlmEZvTAs3ybOqIcK0lKewVwhNGQ2CMoLJBeGXp1RebIKl/uq0g== Received: from thor.sb211.local (dynamic-2a02-3100-24ab-de02-021b-21ff-fe4e-8f4d.310.pool.telefonica.de [IPv6:2a02:3100:24ab:de02:21b:21ff:fe4e:8f4d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by hub2.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5223E2400D4; Sat, 3 Jan 2026 22:10:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 22:09:34 +0100 From: A FreeBSD User To: Gleb Smirnoff Cc: FreeBSD CURRENT Subject: Re: CURRENT: kernel panic in IPFW while stopping jails Message-ID: <20260103220845.5c9bb4b6@thor.sb211.local> In-Reply-To: References: <6ed6434fce515fb9dab694bb649da95b@riseup.net> <39862682-0F6D-4563-A9CE-276CF61556B8@gushi.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.21.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd16.0) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/3qRn6e+FqIIM17jzvD1NM6V"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Rspamd-UID: 8b64d7 X-Rspamd-UID: a98b9b X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25394, ipnet:2001:1640::/32, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dkCrN0V54z3m3P --Sig_/3qRn6e+FqIIM17jzvD1NM6V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Tage des Herren Sat, 3 Jan 2026 11:03:52 -0800 Gleb Smirnoff schrieb: > On Fri, Jan 02, 2026 at 12:57:52PM -0600, Dan Mahoney (ports) wrote: > D> Glebius > D>=20 > D> Confirmed, this now fixes the issue (which apparently involves auto-nu= mbered rules and > D> the "log" keyword). > D>=20 > D> At some point, I'll make sure I have the process down to capture a cor= e dump more easily > D> for you. Welcome to the fun of tracking MAIN :) > D>=20 > D> Thanks for all your quick work. Please do let me know then this chang= e makes it into > D> git. =20 >=20 > The change itself surfaced a problem with my bpf patch as well as with so= me > locking design of ipfw. If you use the patch as is it will print warning= s with > WITNESS, and these warnings are legitimate. I'm working on a better solut= ion. I > might check in the patch as is to prevent people with autonumbered logging > rules stepping on the panic meanwhile. >=20 ... much appreciated, thanks. --=20 A FreeBSD user --Sig_/3qRn6e+FqIIM17jzvD1NM6V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYKAB0WIQRQheDybVktG5eW/1Kxzvs8OqokrwUCaVmFqQAKCRCxzvs8Oqok r1XEAP9UOuFUQbLtj5+pRh6V1oVgkol3FDevQnzf9CCiQfT7owD+LgAIoXAwn6Nq ytAFH+mH/rW5wzKcVNCo4wtwVE4QWgI= =ww1G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/3qRn6e+FqIIM17jzvD1NM6V-- From nobody Sat Jan 3 22:09:13 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dkF8t3zgrz6Lw68 for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2026 22:09:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (udns.ultimatedns.net [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R12" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dkF8t0g7kz3wDl for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2026 22:09:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 603M9EoA075168; Sat, 3 Jan 2026 14:09:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=bsdforge.com; s=bsdforge; t=1767478160; x=1767478760; r=y; bh=jKFbgCq28EiJjoxsMwLPd8oSRlgicdSQmFR7akbSGFM=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=ENxGrem/dYm/fu5Xctbs49XgoP3Dd1RkdVbhdvIxUqQvu04IJPlbFGedh5I3FOdbx Xc7daVAJIcnHWp4XmG41vTEq3eL5VDCx7aYqfFXp6vthVHbzCHI7APqj+onkuUqM6F crKu6McpJ2fugvAmvdA5lmAN2ONhq9bHtF2aOC56+TxMF3rW0yXDr+Sw/waqXvQ52r AsaJ4kBWBtKyrpvphz1Dm9fEp+pYxIH2ALGeqMuM9M2rp1qAxdi0Rlp6JIWyFWRR5z Io9bUSpogRAFvtZSBeGccsSJ4P8D80nAU/79Wup/g20CI5JJf9G2go8Nozr2/E3mSi lj6DiAuEx3Pig== List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2026 14:09:13 -0800 From: Chris To: Jamie Landeg-Jones Cc: marklmi@yahoo.com, grahamperrin@gmail.com, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A question on how much of my list messaging is considered inappropriate content for the lists I post to? In-Reply-To: <202601031911.603JBgn8085820@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> References: <7d2a8e91-c78b-4207-a4ab-41056333bdd5@gmail.com> <20260101182647.83e09e83e81605690b1ff0fc@dec.sakura.ne.jp> <2c7c87e9-b206-4a04-8458-4ee0f4533090@gmail.com> <202601031911.603JBgn8085820@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_067d6e616428d489fa4aec21e624c80a" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dkF8t0g7kz3wDl --=_067d6e616428d489fa4aec21e624c80a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 2026-01-03 11:11, Jamie Landeg-Jones wrote: > Graham Perrin wrote: > >> On 01/01/2026 09:26, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: >> >> > … "broken threads". … >> >> >> True, however in my experience (a) the positive value added the by the >> content of Mark's emails FAR outweighs (b) the negatives of a person >> choosing to work, within the constraints and very many peculiarities of >> email, in a way that pleases the person. > > That's how I view things. The broken threads are annoying, but Mark > adds so much value to this lists, that it's not an issue. > > And yes, some of his posts are verbose, but if I'm not interested in > them, I skip over them. Simples! > > My only gripe with the posts on here is not related to Mark - there's so > much top posting and lack of reply-editing. It's like eternal September > here these days. > > But ultimately, these lists are a resource that I don't feel are abused. You've summarized my feelings exactly. So I've not got anything to really add to this, but a "me too". To those whom find the verbosity otherwise undesirable. Dismissing it is only one click away. Is that *really* so difficult? ;-) Thank you, Mark. I have a rig I've been wanting to put FreeBSD on and your posts keep me familiar with what I need to know in order to make that process uneventful. 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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 17:50:27 +0300 Message-ID: <20260104175027.8feee201542b057971b915ee@gmail.com> References: <7d2a8e91-c78b-4207-a4ab-41056333bdd5@gmail.com> <86ldihqwal.fsf@peasant.salychev.org> <358ACE63-4FC7-451B-8002-D24B283FCB6D@gmail.com> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-mingw32) X-Spamd-Bar: ++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.37 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.87)[0.868]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[antontxt@gmail.com,freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.18)[-0.178]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.12)[-0.118]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[gmail.com : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,none]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.202.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[antontxt@gmail.com,freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dkgwB1rlpz3c64 Enji Cooper (yaneurabeya): > I third this: more information isn't necessarily better and > there are different ways of capturing different information > (maybe a blog or diary would be helpful for raw form ideas > like that :)!). If something gets too noisy, I tune it out > (and potentially miss some helpful information in the > meantime). With careful use, however, mailing lists can handle noise very well. Grouping many small and related ideas under a large essay-like message reduces the amount of messages and visual noise. Users may skip that one single message instead of many small ones. Grouping discussions under threads reduces the amount of top-level elements. In an e-mail client with proper threading, the top-level view is a list of threads, e.g.: https://files.catbox.moe/uikk9p.png By the way, there is a super-convenient way to access this very mailing list, as well as many others -- the Gmane NTTP gateway. Just point your newsreader to news.gmane.io. That way, you needn't receive the e-mail locally (and filter them under per- list directores). From nobody Sun Jan 4 15:02:09 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dkh1w6pkkz6MQdM for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2026 15:20:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.io (ciao.gmane.io [116.202.254.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dkh1w3P5Xz3dS2 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2026 15:20:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org designates 116.202.254.214 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1vcPth-0000Ca-U6 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2026 16:20:01 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: Anton Shepelev Subject: Re: A question on how much of my list messaging is considered inappropriate content for the lists I post to? Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 18:02:09 +0300 Message-ID: <20260104180209.585347eb16ad8caf84c43e44@gmail.com> References: <7d2a8e91-c78b-4207-a4ab-41056333bdd5@gmail.com> <20260101182647.83e09e83e81605690b1ff0fc@dec.sakura.ne.jp> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-mingw32) X-Spamd-Bar: + X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.90 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.97)[0.972]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.77)[-0.767]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[antontxt@gmail.com,freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.10)[-0.104]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[gmail.com : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,none]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.202.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[antontxt@gmail.com,freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dkh1w3P5Xz3dS2 Tomoaki AOKI: > Another thing I can mention is "broken threads". Replying as > top post makes traking things harder. > > I assume it could be because Mark is receiving ML posts as > summary. Or copy&pasting from web ML archives like I do for > dev-commits-* MLs. Can we ask Mark to please reconsider his posting habits and to reply to the correct individual messages, offering our help with configuring his software to facilitate correct threading? I have used three approaches: 1. Set up a server-side filter rule that puts all messages to and from a mailing list into a dedicated IMAP directory. That way, threading is preserved, the messages are out of the way of my main INBOX, and digest mode is not required, so that I can review individual messages and reply to them as needed. I was using Gmail filters, but they may be set up with other e-mail providers, and even locally (procmail, Sylpheed filter rules, &c). 2. Locate the individual message in the archive, take the Message-ID: header form it, and append it to the References: header of my reply. Good clients will you do that. 3. Use Gmane for both reading and posting (as I am doing now). From nobody Sun Jan 4 15:58:53 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dkhtt1J4Hz6MSvh for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2026 15:59:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ross@bisd.ro) Received: from ada.kiz.li (ada.kiz.li [38.45.72.165]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dkhts1WM6z3hYZ for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2026 15:59:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ross@bisd.ro) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=bisd.ro; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ross@bisd.ro designates 38.45.72.165 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ross@bisd.ro Received: from [192.168.1.168] (216.sub-97-181-129.myvzw.com [97.181.129.216]) by ada.kiz.li (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id c2091f36 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2026 10:58:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <117c6d2f-7e2c-4af8-9984-75cbae7867ca@bisd.ro> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 09:58:53 -0600 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: FreeBSD Current Content-Language: en-US From: "S. Ross Gohlke" Subject: device enc in custom kernel causes crash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.95 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.76)[-0.760]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.75)[-0.747]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[bisd.ro,reject]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.16)[0.161]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:174, ipnet:38.45.72.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dkhts1WM6z3hYZ I built my custom kernel (based on MINIMAL) from CURRENT pkgbase package FreeBSD-src.snap20260103091340. Booting it causes a crash before entering single user mode with error message: panic: mtx_lock() of spin mutex (null) @ /usr/src/sys/netinet/igmp.c:627 After that, the keyboard is unresponsive, so I just power it off. On the subsequent boot, from a known-good kernel, the laptop powers itself off (sorry, I don't yet have a record of this error message). The next boot from the known-good kernel works as expected. I have a handful of options and devices enabled in the custom kernel, including enc(4). If I disable "device enc" in the kernel configuration, it boots normally. 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From: Mark Millard To: Anton Shepelev , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Newsgroups: gmane.os.freebsd.current References: <7d2a8e91-c78b-4207-a4ab-41056333bdd5@gmail.com> <20260101182647.83e09e83e81605690b1ff0fc@dec.sakura.ne.jp> <20260104180209.585347eb16ad8caf84c43e44@gmail.com> <7cff491e-2c43-4855-995d-917a0e7ce07c@yahoo.com> Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <7cff491e-2c43-4855-995d-917a0e7ce07c@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.24866 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.98 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.982]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.83:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.83:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dkpYQ6CTtz435W On 1/4/26 11:53, Mark Millard wrote: > On 1/4/26 07:02, Anton Shepelev wrote: >> Tomoaki AOKI: >> >>> Another thing I can mention is "broken threads".  Replying as >>> top post makes traking things harder. >>> >>> I assume it could be because Mark is receiving ML posts as >>> summary.  Or copy&pasting from web ML archives like I do for >>> dev-commits-* MLs. >> >> Can we ask Mark to please reconsider his posting habits and to >> reply to the correct individual messages, offering our help with >> configuring his software to facilitate correct threading? >> >> I have used three approaches: >> >> 1. Set up a server-side filter rule that puts all messages to >>     and from a mailing list into a dedicated IMAP directory. >>     That way, threading is preserved, the messages are out of the >>     way of my main INBOX, and digest mode is not required, so >>     that I can review individual messages and reply to them as >>     needed.  I was using Gmail filters, but they may be set up >>     with other e-mail providers, and even locally (procmail, >>     Sylpheed filter rules, &c). >> >> 2. Locate the individual message in the archive, take the >>     Message-ID: header form it, and append it to the References: >>     header of my reply.  Good clients will you do that. >> >> 3. Use Gmane for both reading and posting (as I am doing now). >> >> >> > > This is a test of using gmane.os.freebsd.current from macOS > thunderbird. Use of news.gmane.io looks to be a great > suggestion for me. > > Took me a bit to identify its use of NNTP and to track down > getting such set up in something (thunderbird). We will see > if this goes through when I send. > > > I did not notice dev-commits-src-main or dev-commits-src-branches > or dev-commits-ports-main as available. So my occasional > replies to commit notices would not be made this way. > > > Added later: > > Hmm. 2nd try (after an adjustment to a setting). > Hmm. 3rd try (after quitting and launching thunderbird >               and answering the application crash dialog >               after the launch). > Hmm. 4th try (after an adjustment to a setting). > -- === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Sun Jan 4 20:49:38 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dkqLm4J5gz6Mr9J for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2026 20:50:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarychtam@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl) Received: from plan-b.pwste.edu.pl (plan-b.pwste.edu.pl [IPv6:2001:678:618::40]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (prime256v1) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "plan-b.pwste.edu.pl", Issuer "GEANT TLS ECC 1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dkqLm04rCz46TW for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2026 20:50:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarychtam@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=plan-b.pwste.edu.pl header.s=plan-b-mailer header.b=aDyaCKtt; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=plan-b.pwste.edu.pl; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of zarychtam@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl designates 2001:678:618::40 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=zarychtam@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl Received: from [192.168.7.70] (dom.potoki.eu [62.133.140.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by plan-b.pwste.edu.pl (8.18.2/8.17.2) with ESMTPSA id 604Knc8X092594 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 4 Jan 2026 21:49:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from zarychtam@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=plan-b.pwste.edu.pl; s=plan-b-mailer; t=1767559793; bh=Yf3QUGBW2OrKuV1DHBWm052tpK7InHwJwkgGS7jp+EI=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=aDyaCKttXGK7OPsJlmtl1gln2Es0kjTSa+2Oq6GK6SKj2LP3yqiQ23vvGIxt34K6V iXCKTioNY7zPrqlsQ03wp5NyFjvIRIIV+F2z8u9oSDD19kbtnRpwXYHiHieQ8GYxPv Y5jxuCx7+zHAOlEOn9Ip3Zzq0774rD3JR21gqeat74dxJfHteAZMHjNgkWSmXWmAWM s7k3n6Tsf16AStueXb7BEI/1Z2/bziEckEHTLWXn/1bt2H3nKMc1yd5Cwqpd4vQejc Bi77sVkomm7MvMn8o9F0DgIvRdInTw57wrVsKFMpUwr3XFua0ZVoofkVB75t8nBjdd CRtG7vJKnqGEA== X-Authentication-Warning: plan-b.pwste.edu.pl: Host dom.potoki.eu [62.133.140.50] claimed to be [192.168.7.70] Message-ID: <213d42bf-10bc-4f71-ab01-6ee85881ea17@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 21:49:38 +0100 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: A question on how much of my list messaging is considered inappropriate content for the lists I post to? 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Instead I'm after learning if some of my posts > are viewed as inappropriate posting activity --and, if > some are, what about them is inappropriate (what should > not have been posted). > > I've picked sending this request to freebsd-arm and > freebsd-current, as I probably post to those more than > to other lists most of the time. (Also, this sort of > request does not fit well with bugzilla.) But replies > need not be limited to content from those 2 lists. > > === > Mark Millard > marklmi at yahoo.com > > Hi Mark, we should all consider your emails, with explanations, complaints, investigations, etc, as contributions, even if sometimes a bit noisy. The lists would be much quieter and probably less interesting without them. If you ever worry about hogging CPU cycles or bandwidth, consider donating a few dollars to the FreeBSD Foundation. So don’t hold back, keep sharing your thoughts, and thanks for keeping the lists lively and energized ! 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I'm not saying that what's written can not be better. I'm trying to raise awareness of a bigger picture. From nobody Sun Jan 4 21:52:39 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dkrl70vqzz6Mw7W for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2026 21:52:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.io (ciao.gmane.io [116.202.254.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dkrl55f2Cz3KTl for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2026 21:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org designates 116.202.254.214 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1vcW1o-0009il-65 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2026 22:52:48 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: Anton Shepelev Subject: Re: A question on how much of my list messaging is considered inappropriate content for the lists I post to? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2026 00:52:39 +0300 Message-ID: <20260105005239.28bd15d2b0d13063c6bf240c@gmail.com> References: <7d2a8e91-c78b-4207-a4ab-41056333bdd5@gmail.com> <20260101182647.83e09e83e81605690b1ff0fc@dec.sakura.ne.jp> <20260104180209.585347eb16ad8caf84c43e44@gmail.com> <7cff491e-2c43-4855-995d-917a0e7ce07c@yahoo.com> <358af5ea-92ce-4f79-a4e3-0d51e7c34647@yahoo.com> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-mingw32) X-Spamd-Bar: +++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.26 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.86)[0.858]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.78)[0.780]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[antontxt@gmail.com,freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.18)[-0.176]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[gmail.com : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,none]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.202.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[antontxt@gmail.com,freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dkrl55f2Cz3KTl Mark Millard: > On 1/4/26 11:53, Mark Millard wrote: > > > This is a test of using gmane.os.freebsd.current from macOS > > thunderbird. Use of news.gmane.io looks to be a great > > suggestion for me. It works! Observe, however, that your entire message is one level of quotation too deep, because you are replying to yourself, and your entire message is a quotation. I suppose it is rather a user slip than a Thunderbird bug. This should also explain why your message is an orphan (not part of a thread). I encourage to you experiment liberally in gmane.os.freebsd.test . We can try some ping-pong banter there and see how threading pans out. To ensure correct threading, take care to reply to messages from the newsgroup, rather than from your local inbox or outbox. This is not a problem, because your own messages, one successfully posted and injected, will appear in Gmane. In quotations below, the redundant level of quotation is discarded for readability: > Took me a bit to identify its use of NNTP and to track down > getting such set up in something (thunderbird). We will see if > this goes through when I send. Thunderbird is not the best newsreader out there, but once you get to grips with it, you can explore alternatives. My favourite ones are Sylpheed (e-mail and newsreader), XNews (Windows-only), tin, and slrn. When accessing a maling list from Gmane, I activate the vacation or no-delivery mode, to relieve my mailbox. With this list, this is achieved by sending an e-mail with any content and subject to: freebsd-current+subscribe-nomail@FreeBSD.org If you are already subscribed, it will change your subscripton mode to no-delivery. > I did not notice dev-commits-src-main or > dev-commits-src-branches or dev-commits-ports-main as > available. dev-commits-src-branches is available as gmane.os.freebsd.current.scm, whereas the other two are indeed absent, but you can request new lists to be added via . Take utmost care when filling the request form and exercise patience while the administrator processes your request. That page is also useful for searching for available mailing lists, because group names may be different. From nobody Sun Jan 4 22:17:01 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dksHB5vVpz6MxhB for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2026 22:17:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.io (ciao.gmane.io [116.202.254.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dksH94DKHz3V3T for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2026 22:17:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org designates 116.202.254.214 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1vcWPL-000246-Ub for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2026 23:17:07 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: Anton Shepelev Subject: Re: content not found (was: A question on how much of my list messaging is considered inappropriate content for the lists I post to?) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2026 01:17:01 +0300 Message-ID: <20260105011701.16a5e308281d39df83a59904@gmail.com> References: <7d2a8e91-c78b-4207-a4ab-41056333bdd5@gmail.com> <86ldihqwal.fsf@peasant.salychev.org> <358ACE63-4FC7-451B-8002-D24B283FCB6D@gmail.com> <20260104175027.8feee201542b057971b915ee@gmail.com> <9f083db9-c034-46c0-baff-ff86e12eac96@gmail.com> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-mingw32) X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.43 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.90)[-0.898]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.88)[0.880]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.35)[-0.349]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[antontxt@gmail.com,freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[gmail.com : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,none]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.202.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[antontxt@gmail.com,freebsd-current@m.gmane-mx.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dksH94DKHz3V3T Graham Perrin to Anton Shepelev: > > With careful use, however, mailing lists can handle noise > > very well. > > Unfortunately, no amount of care and beauty can compensate for > the inability to find things in archives. > > , > and so on. For aught I understand, this is an orthogonal matter, because the inability to find this thread in the archive via a search engine is not Mark's fault, is it? This thread is well archived: but search engines may not have caught up to it yet. Posts from 2025.11 are already findable, e.g: https://www.google.com/search?q="I+am+happy+to+ask+the+dumb+questions"+site%3Alists.freebsd.org%2Farchives%2Ffreebsd-current There seems to be about two month's lag. If independent archive search is required, a search enginie such as Namazzu (http://www.namazu.org) should be installed on-premise. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 04/01/2026 22:17, Anton Shepelev wrote: > … There seems to be about two month's lag. … The problem seems to be more complicated, at least with Google. , for example. I'm certain that this word was mentioned more than seven times during (let's say) ten of the past twelve months: pkgbase Off-list, in October, I found comparable problems with DuckDuckGo; and so on. Side note, a gentle hint: use of angle brackets should avoid breakage of links. --------------fr7wAZMmqaH0iCjDkZzUXmGF Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 04/01/2026 22:17, Anton Shepelev wrote:
… There seems to be about two month's lag. …


The problem seems to be more complicated, at least with Google. 

<https://www.google.com/search?q=pkgbase+site:lists.freebsd.org&tbs=qdr:y>, for example. I'm certain that this word was mentioned more than seven times during (let's say) ten of the past twelve months: 

pkgbase

Off-list, in October, I found comparable problems with DuckDuckGo; and so on.

Side note, a gentle hint: use of angle brackets should avoid breakage of links.

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I'm certain that this word was mentioned more > than seven times during (let's say) ten of the past twelve > months: > > pkgbase I woundn't know, but would not be surprised either. Several non-findable posts should settle the matter. Observe that this list is already archived at MARC, where it shows 695 matches in all and 465 ones for 2025 alone: Besides, MARC is much more pleasant that any search engine! > Off-list, in October, I found comparable problems with > DuckDuckGo; and so on. Little wonder, since DDG depends on Google. It is not an independent search engine. > Side note, a gentle hint: use of angle brackets should avoid > breakage of links. My fault, because I have turned off special URL treatment in my client. I will pay more heed to... er... angURLization. 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RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::434:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dkvPW22R0z3jsR On 04/01/2026 23:07, Anton Shepelev wrote: > … DDG depends on Google. … I normally use Startpage, which does use Google. According to Wikipedia, DuckDuckGo does not: