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Mon, 30 Mar 2026 00:19:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip Paeps To: Brad Davis Cc: Lexi Winter , freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: more pkgbase reviewers required Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2026 12:19:45 +0800 X-Mailer: MailMate (2.0r6290) Message-ID: <5C39DEDF-6D87-4141-A716-D261B08B9DA9@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <191d2592-2800-4285-a5b0-8c0dda73c584@app.fastmail.com> References: <5990d939-a3a0-403b-e419-949043559c0f@bluerosetech.com> <191d2592-2800-4285-a5b0-8c0dda73c584@app.fastmail.com> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed On 2026-03-28 02:40:19 (+0800), Brad Davis wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2026, at 6:12 AM, Lexi Winter wrote: >> list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com wrote in >> <5990d939-a3a0-403b-e419-949043559c0f@bluerosetech.com>: >>> On 2026-03-25 5:54, Lexi Winter wrote: >>>> at this point, it's extremely difficult to get any pkgbase-related >>>> changes reviewed in Phabricator, which is an issue since we're now >>>> pushing pkgbase as the default method for installing the system. >>> >>> What is the current state of FreeBSD dogfooding pkgbase? >> >> as far as i'm aware, no cluster machines are currently using pkgbase. > > It is being slowly deployed within the cluster. Not really. I have only done some experiments with pkgbase cluster builds. No machine in the cluster is running pkgbase. Building images is only part of the problem. We have a lot of other moving parts (install, upgrade, phonehome, sundry automation). It'll be several months at least. I'd love to make this a priority but, unless someone starts funding clusteradm time, it'll be several months at least. All our volunteer bandwidth goes up in firefighting and keeping the infrastructure running. 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Mon, 30 Mar 2026 00:19:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip Paeps To: Brad Davis Cc: Lexi Winter , freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: more pkgbase reviewers required Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2026 12:19:45 +0800 X-Mailer: MailMate (2.0r6290) Message-ID: <5C39DEDF-6D87-4141-A716-D261B08B9DA9@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <191d2592-2800-4285-a5b0-8c0dda73c584@app.fastmail.com> References: <5990d939-a3a0-403b-e419-949043559c0f@bluerosetech.com> <191d2592-2800-4285-a5b0-8c0dda73c584@app.fastmail.com> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed On 2026-03-28 02:40:19 (+0800), Brad Davis wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2026, at 6:12 AM, Lexi Winter wrote: >> list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com wrote in >> <5990d939-a3a0-403b-e419-949043559c0f@bluerosetech.com>: >>> On 2026-03-25 5:54, Lexi Winter wrote: >>>> at this point, it's extremely difficult to get any pkgbase-related >>>> changes reviewed in Phabricator, which is an issue since we're now >>>> pushing pkgbase as the default method for installing the system. >>> >>> What is the current state of FreeBSD dogfooding pkgbase? >> >> as far as i'm aware, no cluster machines are currently using pkgbase. > > It is being slowly deployed within the cluster. Not really. I have only done some experiments with pkgbase cluster builds. No machine in the cluster is running pkgbase. Building images is only part of the problem. We have a lot of other moving parts (install, upgrade, phonehome, sundry automation). It'll be several months at least. I'd love to make this a priority but, unless someone starts funding clusteradm time, it'll be several months at least. All our volunteer bandwidth goes up in firefighting and keeping the infrastructure running. Philip From nobody Mon Mar 30 10:04:04 2026 X-Original-To: pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4fkn0821phz6X0vg; Mon, 30 Mar 2026 10:04:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R13" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4fkn081SWGz3M1W; Mon, 30 Mar 2026 10:04:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1774865048; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=skrByOACL90IXy1fYRZkUy2JcygzhGcSjqYrBMfS9Ig=; b=tt1hnuQe+Gv2+PibrQm3H+fLUhMpNzLiOVpH4F/UyILy0L0VhXA7bniL4Bzc4SpBWBRSSs KW2hAnzIekY/XMgN9Wu67NXnE6z7q/HySRxvgG7hfHXQmaTsznEZEIi6XYk9sl8no0TcFG TgKwRRO1wdl8wKdyGEpZZ4wubqlSbfO3i0piKyzK2vTnVM9RduSp+M/e/DHa52Qj5IFvg5 gsm6FJrh6uNhUjzSDE92cCy2nM6DqKD2MSrFns9bn4FN456XrEqtvO9bceex+aO/ukyxjU NtuKvRdy4mKw8ltUe3fUIDue8lKGEKVLuj5Datd4kE+X4il5zWvPkTgcaSBcFg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1774865048; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=nRae7MDT0yDeXLhQRbn4W8gfZ2BMoxt2Wvk8hreLXJZPqz0e4xXxjF73xfW3OVad92wNds AJ6xHqpTysQ3J6MzW7PO8dm2DzCq388+afD7wf4PQDhhBdveZl1a6UvUrur1PZcNbstC5N hPEjkKcwhTpa+zVPKyFLxwmXK8f3na7tfdHRrD8nRQUwY7fVVYW63LSIdjhhnsFDLEM72b 4qj/qMqOV5W6vxNEBiZqxXv/CGP0O1+v9OLH0AXfsrO+l8prLbpZWHOcZ7hDXt0y4YPGyL D3z03N5vn3AYRSwzmtF57JcqU6ClpFb4+N6xcWLdfwGI28nmn2LtWMONwv2NOw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1774865048; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=skrByOACL90IXy1fYRZkUy2JcygzhGcSjqYrBMfS9Ig=; b=d0TpYUdyDWGfafM/dZqRO+ph9NX4E3ffIo9LcroQXrDfrQXsrWPLShqy/81TYJhL8vNhxs bEaLWEQ/c78woAT1b70bosZaiX6UjanJOZ+7C/KhwMiZ/+eJusa5W733Z5/OIfEsSscTp0 Peci5LWIoAL1xejoYcDqIAlrjRKQ0u2iwloLaelRsypWIcYyc2/2VSNyw3sUHuACWxWLvZ EA/gaHb3OQTOt/QyECoFe3Wu8kt9gHB6g8wiscesj4myoHBCNOtptV1FRctuSbuX6OJB91 aIUNm/eI2sGbQoOCU1eq5OMlF67Db/YIs1B0QrzBBxuzl2RMWLXGOyvG1rxtqA== Received: from amaryllis.le-fay.org (amaryllis.le-fay.org [IPv6:2a00:1098:6b:400::9]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: ivy/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4fkn0759s2zGR2; Mon, 30 Mar 2026 10:04:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2026 11:04:04 +0100 From: Lexi Winter To: hackers@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: more pkgbase reviewers required Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: hackers@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <5990d939-a3a0-403b-e419-949043559c0f@bluerosetech.com> <191d2592-2800-4285-a5b0-8c0dda73c584@app.fastmail.com> <3ccd3452-db13-63cb-5817-cf52695e064c@bluerosetech.com> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SmQIoFAdu1Vm/dhp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3ccd3452-db13-63cb-5817-cf52695e064c@bluerosetech.com> --SmQIoFAdu1Vm/dhp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com wrote in <3ccd3452-db13-63cb-5817-cf52695e064= c@bluerosetech.com>: > On 2026-03-27 11:40, Brad Davis wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2026, at 6:12 AM, Lexi Winter wrote: > > > list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com wrote in > > > <5990d939-a3a0-403b-e419-949043559c0f@bluerosetech.com>: > > > > What is the current state of FreeBSD dogfooding pkgbase? > > >=20 > > > as far as i'm aware, no cluster machines are currently using pkgbase. > >=20 > > It is being slowly deployed within the cluster. >=20 > That's good news. 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Mon, 30 Mar 2026 23:40:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip Paeps To: Lexi Winter Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: more pkgbase reviewers required Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2026 11:40:18 +0800 X-Mailer: MailMate (2.0r6290) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <5990d939-a3a0-403b-e419-949043559c0f@bluerosetech.com> <191d2592-2800-4285-a5b0-8c0dda73c584@app.fastmail.com> <3ccd3452-db13-63cb-5817-cf52695e064c@bluerosetech.com> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed On 2026-03-30 18:04:04 (+0800), Lexi Winter wrote: > list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com wrote in > <3ccd3452-db13-63cb-5817-cf52695e064c@bluerosetech.com>: >> On 2026-03-27 11:40, Brad Davis wrote: >>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2026, at 6:12 AM, Lexi Winter wrote: >>>> list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com wrote in >>>> <5990d939-a3a0-403b-e419-949043559c0f@bluerosetech.com>: >>>>> What is the current state of FreeBSD dogfooding pkgbase? >>>> >>>> as far as i'm aware, no cluster machines are currently using >>>> pkgbase. >>> >>> It is being slowly deployed within the cluster. >> >> That's good news. Features like pkgbase are a non-starter otherwise. > > as far as i'm aware, the cluster doesn't use freebsd-update either, > but that didn't make freebsd-update a non-starter - it's been the only > supported binary update mechanism for years. Correct. Peter wrote an article -- nearly ten years ago -- about why we don't use freebsd-update. A lot of this is still accurate today: https://blog.crashed.org/why-no-freebsd-update/ The numbers have changed and we can't upgrade everything in a few hours owing to interdependencies (and the accumulation of technical debt) but many things we can still upgrade very quickly. (E.g. package builders and developer-facing machines.) > so it's hard to see why the cluster needs to use pkgbase in order for > pkgbase to be viable. For the avoidance of doubt: I agree with this. :) > the cluster has very specific needs (they even have cluster-specific > build options in src) which are different from the majority of FreeBSD > users that pkgbase is aimed at. of course, i would *like* the cluster > to use pkgbase, because it's a lot more flexible (and easier to > deploy) than freebsd-update was, to the point that it can replace > deployment from src for a lot of users, and the cluster would be a > good test case for that. but that's not a requirement to ship > pkgbase. pkgbase could reduce a fair bit of complexity for many of our jails. Though it goes without saying that we would be building our own base packages (just like we build our own third-party packages) rather than use pkg.FreeBSD.org. Building the packages is the easy bit. Adapting our tooling is a lot more work. 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(PKGBASE implication) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org References: <20260402205415.aa43b756e2b1036ab1fb9b9c@dec.sakura.ne.jp> <7b070db3-9540-41aa-8289-05cc386d3563@denninger.net> Content-Language: en-US From: Mark Millard Cc: Karl Denninger In-Reply-To: <7b070db3-9540-41aa-8289-05cc386d3563@denninger.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.25495 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4fmqyX29TMz3Sdv X-Spamd-Bar: ---- [This is basically a forward from freebsd-hackers@ to freebsd-pkgbase@ and freebsd-pkg@ . It seems to report a type of pkg handling problem for both port-packages and base-packages. It has the later reply that goes into more detail than the original message did.] On 4/2/26 09:08, Karl Denninger wrote: > On 4/2/2026 07:54, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: >> On Thu, 2 Apr 2026 07:41:21 -0400 >> Karl Denninger wrote: >> >>> I did not let this proceed as I really don't feel like having a mess to >>> un-mess.... >>> >>> [root@NewFS /home/karl]# uname -v >>> FreeBSD 14.4-STABLE #31 stable/14-n273840-e5ed09ffd592-dirty: Thu Mar 26 >>> 11:17:07 EDT 2026 >>> root@NewFS.denninger.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC >>> >>> [root@NewFS /home/karl]# pkg upgrade >>> Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... >>> FreeBSD repository is up to date. >>> Updating FreeBSD-kmods repository catalogue... >>> FreeBSD-kmods repository is up to date. >>> All repositories are up to date. >>> Checking for upgrades (255 candidates): 100% >>> Processing candidates (255 candidates): 100% >>> The following 13 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked): >>> >>> New packages to be INSTALLED: >>>         mysql84-client: 8.4.8 [FreeBSD] >>> >>> Installed packages to be UPGRADED: >>>         ffmpeg: 8.0.1_5,1 -> 8.1,1 [FreeBSD] >>>         harfbuzz: 13.1.1 -> 13.2.1 [FreeBSD] >>>         mpc: 1.3.1_1 -> 1.4.0 [FreeBSD] >>>         mysql80-client: 8.0.45 -> 8.0.45_1 [FreeBSD] >>>         nmap: 7.98_1 -> 7.99_1 [FreeBSD] >>>         openexr: 3.4.5 -> 3.4.8 [FreeBSD] >>>         perl5: 5.42.1 -> 5.42.2 [FreeBSD] >>> >>> Installed packages to be REINSTALLED: >>>         cacti-php83-1.2.30 [FreeBSD] (direct dependency changed: >>> mysql84-client) >>>         libass-0.17.4 [FreeBSD] (direct dependency changed: libunibreak) >>>         libv4l-1.23.0_5 [FreeBSD] (direct dependency changed: libudev-devd) >>>         libvdpau-1.5 [FreeBSD] (direct dependency changed: libXext) >>>         mpfr-4.2.2,1 [FreeBSD] (direct dependency changed: indexinfo) >>> >>> Number of packages to be installed: 1 >>> Number of packages to be upgraded: 7 >>> Number of packages to be reinstalled: 5 >>> >>> The process will require 108 MiB more space. >>> 84 MiB to be downloaded. >>> >>> Proceed with this action? [y/N]: >>> >>> Uh, that's a "no" :-) >>> >>> mysql84-client is going to shove things in the same place as mysql80, >>> which it also wants to upgrade the version of.  I also have the server >>> loaded; a prior "upgrade" attempt yesterday wanted to upgrade both of >>> those, but there are also several other dependencies (e.g. php modules) >>> which it DID NOT want to upgrade, and that's a potentially-serious >>> problem, and I'm also concerned about cacti which it wants to touch too. >>> >>> -- >>> Karl Denninger >>> karl@denninger.net >>> /The Market Ticker/ >>> /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/ >> See corresponding UPDATING entry dated 20260326. >> Stick with 80 or switch to 84. >> >> https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports/blob/main/UPDATING#L60 >> >> But not sure if DEFAULT_VERSIONS in /etc/make.conf works >> on pre-built pkg upgrades. >> >> I myself don't use mysql (having client installed as an "automatic" >> depencencies of something, though), so not 100% sure it works OK or >> not, switching client alone possibly help. >> >> Client are more depended upon by others compared with server. >> >> Regards. > > Apologizes for the less-than-clear subject line, but this has > implications for PKGBASE which is why I put it here on the list. > > A "back-dependence" such as this, if you approve it, will abort because > the new version of the client (in this case) tries to install into an > existing location for the other version, which is already there and is > not being deleted first, and as a result it fails.  That operation is > non-atomic and thus if it hits something that the system needs you got > trouble (particularly if you didn't use bectl/beadm first!) as now you > have part of whatever you updated in place but not all of it, nor does > it roll it all back if any part of the install sequence fails. > > Pkg does not appear to have a good way to deal with this issue, and I > can come up with several instances in the past where a package has had > this issue (in particular when OpenSSL 1.x was in base, newer non-ABI- > compatible version(s) were in ports/packages, and you needed the newer > to compile something, although I've also had it bite me with some php > modules in the past.)  If the shared libraries get yanked out from under > an executable (e.g. they're upgraded to a new .so version) then the > other binaries will obviously not run. > > If that hits a "gotta have it" system-level binary then you've got a > broken system. > > I'm not sure there's a good way to deal with this with pkg not having > the capacity to be atomic in what it does -- that is, "all is good or > none commits." > > -- > Karl Denninger > karl@denninger.net > /The Market Ticker/ > /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/ -- === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Fri Apr 3 09:14:56 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4fnCjf1z7gz6Y4ZL for ; 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It seems to report a type of pkg handling problem for > both port-packages and base-packages. It has the later reply that goes > into more detail than the original message did.] > > On 4/2/26 09:08, Karl Denninger wrote: >> … >> >> … part of whatever you updated in place but not all of it, … I'm reminded of , > pkg upgrade: ability to complete what was originally intended, > following an interruption On one hand: in recent months, I began wondering whether it was overcome by events, or fixed, because I had not observed the issue for a while. On the other hand: I had not recently tested with 2441 in mind. Two weeks ago: , NB the first follow-up "… This began as a review of pkg issue 2441 …". I might revisit the case today, or over the long weekend. ---- I have intentionally dropped freebsd-hackers@ from the list of addressees here ("No posting should be made to more than 2 mailing lists, and only to 2 when a clear and obvious need to post to both lists exists." – ). 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Fri, 3 Apr 2026 06:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2026 11:56:31 +0100 From: void To: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: pkgbase on armv7 (rpi2b v1.1) questions Message-ID: List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.80 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.80)[0.800]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[f-m.fm,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:103.168.172.128/27]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[f-m.fm:s=fm2,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[103.168.172.144:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[f-m.fm]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID b92f8d89c740fd8853cac9ff1a7f57ff; Fri, 03 Apr 2026 18:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <3468c201-6efc-45e2-81d1-3f414da6d35f@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2026 11:53:28 -0700 List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: pkgbase on armv7 (rpi2b v1.1) questions To: void , freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org References: Content-Language: en-US From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.25495 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4fnSY963nhz492g X-Spamd-Bar: ---- On 4/3/26 03:56, void wrote: > Hi, > > On systems like these, a bootable image is provided for convenience > with default logins. I'm guessing these images aren't pkgbasified. Reminder: These armv7 images are normally UFS, not ZFS based. For reference for others that might read: https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/pkgbasify is being implicitly referenced here. > > [] is pkgbase expected to work on armv7? if so, are there instructions >    somewhere showing how? I converted to having pkgbase boot kernels and boot worlds as my context long ago, not in modern times relative to pkgbase being involved in an official release and other such tooling (as far as I knew at the time). So I'm not going to comment for this, at least for now. > > [] if yes, can one follow -current-nodebug with pkgbase? In general for main (a.k.a, CURRENT) [so: 16 as stands], not just for armv7: Kernel: pkgbase provides both debug and non-debug kernels under different names. (There can be more kernels as well.) World : pkgbase only provides a debug world for main and non-debug for the rest. main's pkgbase kernel (path) names: /boot/kernel/ /boot/kernel.GENERIC-NODEBUG/ /boot/kernel.GENERIC-MMCCAM/ The first is the debug kernel. I use /boot/loader.conf to control which I'm using. (I've never used the MMCCAM one.) I normally use the non-debug kernel. For non-main: /boot/kernel/ /boot/kernel.GENERIC-DEBUG/ /boot/kernel.GENERIC-MMCCAM/ So, here the first is the non-debug kernel, whichis what I nonnormally use for non-main as well. For at least amd64 for main there is also: /boot/kernel.MINIMAL/ As for a debug main world's overhead: the asserts and jemalloc internal check overheads and such can take more time than a debug kernel. But I'm not going to try any sort of general workload breakdown analysis for tradeoffs. One thing that can be done is to have the likes of: # ls -l /etc/malloc.conf lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 10 Mar 29 10:38 /etc/malloc.conf -> junk:false Notably, if you build port-packages via poudriere(-devel), it is the poudriere jail's world that matters for the bulk build activity, not the boot world. Similarly for chroot use and jail use in general. Thus bulk builds of port-packages need not suffer the performance tradeoffs of a debug world even on systems that boot a debug world. But, so far as I know, there are no pre-built non-debug main worlds that are officially distributed, even as a non-RELEASE-status build. Also, as far as I know, there are no pre-built debug non-main worlds that are officially distributed, even as a non-RELEASE-status build. > > I'm not at all keen to pkgbase all the things, but think it'd be ideally > suited to very low powered machines > It is my understanding that FreeBSD 15.1 is intended to add more normal types of RELEASE builds for armv7, like other platforms have in 15.0. -- === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Sun Apr 5 04:46:33 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4fpKg82jKwz6YFDs for ; Sun, 05 Apr 2026 04:46:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic310-22.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic310-22.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.69.148]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4fpKg64XB1z3b6l for ; 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Sun, 5 Apr 2026 02:46:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip Paeps To: Mark Millard Cc: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3 platform combinations not having base_latest built Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2026 14:46:12 +0800 X-Mailer: MailMate (2.0r6290) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed On 2026-04-05 12:46:33 (+0800), Mark Millard wrote: > https://people.freebsd.org/~dbaio/pkg-master-report.html does not show > any "missing" rows for any of the 3. > > Most recent (the only) updates listed for the 3: > > 2026-03-20 12:00:02Z freebsd:16:powerpc:64:eb > > 2026-03-27 00:00:01Z freebsd:15:x86:32 > 2026-03-27 00:00:02Z freebsd:15:armv7:32:el:eabi:hardfp One of our mirrors broke and builds are not being made visible until it's fixed. I'm working on it. 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Sun, 5 Apr 2026 04:56:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip Paeps To: Mark Millard Cc: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3 platform combinations not having base_latest built Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2026 16:56:19 +0800 X-Mailer: MailMate (2.0r6290) Message-ID: <09A82CF6-53B2-4513-B7F8-7FCD6EEF72C2@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: References: List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed On 2026-04-05 14:46:12 (+0800), Philip Paeps wrote: > On 2026-04-05 12:46:33 (+0800), Mark Millard wrote: >> https://people.freebsd.org/~dbaio/pkg-master-report.html does not >> show >> any "missing" rows for any of the 3. >> >> Most recent (the only) updates listed for the 3: >> >> 2026-03-20 12:00:02Z freebsd:16:powerpc:64:eb >> >> 2026-03-27 00:00:01Z freebsd:15:x86:32 >> 2026-03-27 00:00:02Z freebsd:15:armv7:32:el:eabi:hardfp > > One of our mirrors broke and builds are not being made visible until > it's fixed. > > I'm working on it. The broken mirror is no longer broken. It'll take a bit of time to catch up but builds are being pushed and made visible again. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID bb25c6e48519ec11b538d5489404b58c; Sun, 05 Apr 2026 17:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4f3698cf-b5e5-4fe8-9493-2a7977d0d224@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2026 10:07:39 -0700 List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: 3 platform combinations not having base_latest built [the 3 stayed old, not updating] To: Philip Paeps Cc: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <09A82CF6-53B2-4513-B7F8-7FCD6EEF72C2@freebsd.org> Content-Language: en-US From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <09A82CF6-53B2-4513-B7F8-7FCD6EEF72C2@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.25495 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4fpf692c5cz3tKP X-Spamd-Bar: ---- On 4/5/26 01:56, Philip Paeps wrote: > On 2026-04-05 14:46:12 (+0800), Philip Paeps wrote: >> On 2026-04-05 12:46:33 (+0800), Mark Millard wrote: >>> https://people.freebsd.org/~dbaio/pkg-master-report.html does not show >>> any "missing" rows for any of the 3. >>> >>> Most recent (the only) updates listed for the 3: >>> >>> 2026-03-20 12:00:02Z freebsd:16:powerpc:64:eb >>> >>> 2026-03-27 00:00:01Z freebsd:15:x86:32 >>> 2026-03-27 00:00:02Z freebsd:15:armv7:32:el:eabi:hardfp >> >> One of our mirrors broke and builds are not being made visible until >> it's fixed. I expect that is why everything else other than the 3 had multiple rows of "missing" categorizations. (They also had more recent "present" base_latest rows than the 3 listed above.) I expect that the 3 are a different issue of failed/lack-of newer builds. >> >> I'm working on it. > > The broken mirror is no longer broken.  It'll take a bit of time to > catch up but builds are being pushed and made visible again. All the base_latest rows now indicate "present", no examples of "missing". But the 3 that I reported still have only the old dates/times, same dates/times as indicated above in my original note. 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Sun, 5 Apr 2026 19:36:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip Paeps To: Mark Millard Cc: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3 platform combinations not having base_latest built [the 3 stayed old, not updating] Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2026 07:36:17 +0800 X-Mailer: MailMate (2.0r6290) Message-ID: <9E4A38C6-5F7D-407B-8263-23C54D49FE5E@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <4f3698cf-b5e5-4fe8-9493-2a7977d0d224@yahoo.com> References: <09A82CF6-53B2-4513-B7F8-7FCD6EEF72C2@freebsd.org> <4f3698cf-b5e5-4fe8-9493-2a7977d0d224@yahoo.com> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 2026-04-06 01:07:39 (+0800), Mark Millard wrote: > On 4/5/26 01:56, Philip Paeps wrote: >> On 2026-04-05 14:46:12 (+0800), Philip Paeps wrote: >>> On 2026-04-05 12:46:33 (+0800), Mark Millard wrote: >>>> https://people.freebsd.org/~dbaio/pkg-master-report.html does not >>>> show any "missing" rows for any of the 3. >>>> >>>> Most recent (the only) updates listed for the 3: >>>> >>>> 2026-03-20 12:00:02Z freebsd:16:powerpc:64:eb >>>> 2026-03-27 00:00:01Z freebsd:15:x86:32 >>>> 2026-03-27 00:00:02Z freebsd:15:armv7:32:el:eabi:hardfp >>> >>> One of our mirrors broke and builds are not being made visible until >>> it's fixed. > > I expect that is why everything else other than the 3 had multiple > rows of "missing" categorizations. (They also had more recent > "present" base_latest rows than the 3 listed above.) > > I expect that the 3 are a different issue of failed/lack-of newer > builds. Right. Sorry. I misread your email. :) >>> I'm working on it. >> >> The broken mirror is no longer broken.  It'll take a bit of time to >> catch up but builds are being pushed and made visible again. > > All the base_latest rows now indicate "present", no examples of > "missing". > > But the 3 that I reported still have only the old dates/times, same > dates/times as indicated above in my original note. Not your problem > to solve as far as I can tell. Mhm. Yes. I think this is more a matter of they're simply not being built than that they're not syncing. freebsd:15:x86:32 is normal: we don't support FreeBSD 15.x on i386. freebsd:15:armv7:32:el:eabi:hardfp and freebsd:16:powerpc:64:eb are still Tier 2 so they ought to be built. Philip