From nobody Mon Jul 13 07:09:12 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4gzD7t1fqpz6kVVC for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2026 07:09:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "YR1" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4gzD7s5lM7z3pP1; Mon, 13 Jul 2026 07:09:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1783926553; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Qfc8EJt3ta8vLYDcrmAJzq3fnpi8VcbWLRZfNxHGoDw=; b=ulSNhhrKBvXkUxArkrnav/Ren5EwMHR8lfYBOtDcSKOxZy6bCMeLyiKj47wtxRzw7VQ8xl qDIs5OOzgnpaBZema/gAy/ltY52nrHwzxNu6No2DliajUvuEPfkqjtcaIW3aqllKmH1Fhl kpfRFznx7Zgd9vTc0HMhLEV1NCTj6k6SM0p4R1FuYx2MNof/XLJu7WHduebhnci4oVLh75 4oFkwW5JHs3ocoBe0wP7/4MhlPnytWgM4iAwVgzdo+ok2dcUIlPTLGMkGnlnwsk8UQk3dk JtjBUl6Sb9cNo8SSuYO2DmxBAUYqiarZO6g2Kw3Sb4L71VJcrIbG2QwoPCLwFg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1783926553; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=HFQXS5pjxi/xgxAwM7OUUwSaHsM2DqB79UlUw217PMg16KcmCNeS6RdRuzXw8htmamks8+ g3MS0fxQwVsa0ijlrPzLRmAkV3Qpwpti+RaX1Z/CrCf6NBGvJqfviF5Qn98pxizsqiN6Me K+QusuAKJzlFeWyZCr4mQpbSA2IR8WRUWc6ToEhL28QqWXePWGO4o3PNPYwoDJJwXEhwr1 b1nLfvrxPcobNfEKG0bdDMbIH4N9LaMbzL932HAYrconK6WNpBME4w8+NhdMbYViAYoHGp M25Oi9/5APYeXZ/ioK9jNbtmdW0K9XPKucUB2ocxf4Sl2nRimANqRG17UGdjfg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1783926553; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Qfc8EJt3ta8vLYDcrmAJzq3fnpi8VcbWLRZfNxHGoDw=; b=yYUvUpyLSs3Vr69G6q/XhEtYytEx6xLfTry/4uGZDeYGH3uWeb2em+RT2DUYGQytsxV18c WYP4tDvJWX1k1bTTf4EYJG4idZjAWp2MafYCWrvC8puHsVl3azBkxjZdkSAwe4uC1320SB MWZPKFbkQ0bbivEbpPSrv8AVMZpS3D2gCJOC5FVV4tAke/LDPaMCDL1AEg4aeBFYAesWwP M79aKbP1LHJyFDP+IhTEOEkrZp4DLgTdJREcMT0ZO3u1uFAk1bw+0PqsX1zhrIYxEAxnja Kk/AxgToXlX4xcaCXu+Boxc7tCaDcPl7DW1YR8CBgQ/00fPSP2QNaokek80FoQ== Received: from ltc.des.dev (2a01cb0585070b00922e16fffef1acef.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr [IPv6:2a01:cb05:8507:b00:922e:16ff:fef1:acef]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: des/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4gzD7s3PNwz6M; Mon, 13 Jul 2026 07:09:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: by ltc.des.dev (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2285980FB0; Mon, 13 Jul 2026 09:09:12 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Mark Millard Cc: freebsd-pkgbase Subject: Re: Old /usr/bin/* files (and more) still around on modern main, long updated via pkgbase: looks like having FreeBSD-src installed and doing make check-old and the like are appropriate? In-Reply-To: <2826BC9C-63C4-4194-91FC-AA9D4EE290A3@yahoo.com> (Mark Millard's message of "Sun, 12 Jul 2026 09:27:58 -0700") References: <00b31e87-a4ee-4f04-ad74-c2b14fc9bcc5.ref@yahoo.com> <00b31e87-a4ee-4f04-ad74-c2b14fc9bcc5@yahoo.com> <865x2k390r.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <2826BC9C-63C4-4194-91FC-AA9D4EE290A3@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2026 09:09:12 +0200 Message-ID: <86wluz1i3r.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Owner: Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark Millard writes: > Overall: > > It appears that anyone converting from a non-defaul personal build of > the system to an official, upstream pkgbase distribution may have similar > issues to what I had and may need to clean out what became extra/old file= s. Overall: you continue to treat the FreeBSD mailing lists as your personal blog and only half-listen to what actual FreeBSD developers tell you. Anyone converting from a non-default personal build of the system should use packages built with their personal non-default options. They can thereafter switch to packages built with other options if they like, but the initial conversion to pkgbase should be done using packages that match what is already installed. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org