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4f4sc62Sgnz3bJx X-Spamd-Bar: ---- $BX)B<$G$9!#(B On Tue, 03 Feb 2026 12:00:35 +0900 $B4];3D>>;(B wrote: > $B4];3$G$9!#(B > > $B;d$J$i%O!<%I%&%'%"$NITD4$r5?$C$F$_$^$9$M!#0JA0(B14.3$B$r30IU$1(BSDD$B$K%$%s%9%H!<(B > $B%k$7$?;~$N(Bdmesg$B$O;D$C$F$$$^$;$s$+!);D$C$F$$$l$P8=:_(B14.3$B$r%$%s%9%H!<%k$7(B > $B$F=P$k(Bdmesg$B$HHf$Y$F$_$?$iG!2?$G$7$g$&$+!#(B dmesg $B$O$"$j$^$9!#(B FreeBSD-14.3-p8 $B$GHf3S$7$F$_$?$N$G$9$,!"L@3N$J:90[$OG'$a$K$/$$$h$&(B $B$G$9!#@\?($,0-$$$H$$$&$h$&$J8=>]$,$"$k$+$I$&$+!"L@3N$G$O$"$j$^$;$s!#(B $B=q$-K:$l$F$$$^$7$?$,!"(Bums0 $B$H$$$&(B USB $B$N8w3X<0%^%&%9$G$9!#(B $BA0Nc(B: USB $B30IU$1(B SSD $B:#2s(B: $BFbB"(B HDD $B;d$N$[$&$G$h$/M}2r$G$-$F$$$J$$$N$G$9$,!"(B $BFbB"(B HDD $B$N$[$&$r;HMQ$9$k>l9g!"(B /etc/rc.conf $B$G(B1$B9TL58z$K$7$F%^%&%9(B $B$rG'<1!&;HMQ$G$-$k$h$&$K$J$C$?$K8@$C$F<+?.$,$J$$(B)$B!#(B #moused_nondefault_enable="NO" > Tue, 3 Feb 2026 11:41:49 +0900 (JST) > bluesky writes: > > >$BX)B<$G$9!#(B > > > >$B:G6a!"8E$$%^%7%s$K(B FreeBSD 15.0 $B$r?75,%$%s%9%H!<%k$7$?$N$G$9$,!"(B > >$B%^%&%9$,A4A3H?1~$;$:;HMQ=PMh$^$;$s!#(B > >SONY $B$N8E$$0lBN7?(B $B5l(BVAIO $B$G!"(BBIOS $B$NG/<0$O(B2010$BG/$G$9!#(B > > > >ugen2.4: at usbus2 (disconnected) > >usbhid1: at uhub3, port 3, addr 4 (disconnected) > >hidbus1: detached > >usbhid1: detached > > > >15.0 $B$NNc!#$3$NI=<($,7+$jJV$7B3$/!#(B > > > >$B$G!"(B14.3 $B$r?75,%$%s%9%H!<%k$7D>$7$?$N$G$:$,!"$3$A$i$G$b%^%&%9$r(B > >$B;HMQ$G$-$^$;$s!#(B > >$B0JA0!"30IU$1(B SDD $B$K%$%s%9%H!<%k$7$?(B 14.3 $B$G$OITET9g$J$/%^%&%9$b(B > >$BG'<1$5$l;HMQ$G$-$F$$$^$9!#(B > >$B$$$A$*$&(B xorg $B$r;H$$$?$$$N$G%^%&%9I,?\$J$N$G$9$,!D!#(B > > > >-- > >bluesky > > -------- > $B4];3(B $BD>>;(B $B$^$k$d$^(B $B$J$*$^$5(B > $B%a!<%k%"%I%l%9!'(B masa@amogha.jp -- bluesky From nobody Tue Feb 3 11:14:24 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-users-jp@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4f518r67zCz6PP6w for ; Tue, 03 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b=poeYcLaJfAvGlSIQwpm5d2Vvyvok3sZQ1cEb84ndbKaczQeMvW0Rknw/ZA5sy2ew+ 51Tfzcb3MMZxUv/DZ002WEJusRE6YGKxbe5MImPB99OtBf+A+oDUufvuK17bRAt6tT +fIddP2vkImjLZRl0lGc8YwugBofzHB7eKN4Dhec= Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2026 20:14:24 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: bluesky Cc: masa@amogha.jp, freebsd-users-jp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mouse =?UTF-8?B?44GM5L2/55So44Gn44GN44Gq44GE?= 14.3 / 15.0 Message-Id: <20260203201424.a5c4fa401f2a8d6d65fe0775@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <721291379.439322.1770096849970@yahoo.co.jp> References: <1705523241.1149978.1770086509627@mail.yahoo.co.jp> <721291379.439322.1770096849970@yahoo.co.jp> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd15.0) List-Id: Discussion relevant to FreeBSD communities in Japan List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-users-jp List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-users-jp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-users-jp@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4f518q6dJtz3LFQ X-Spamd-Bar: ---- 青木@名古屋です。 On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 14:34:06 +0900 bluesky wrote: > 悸村です。 > > On Tue, 03 Feb 2026 12:00:35 +0900 > 丸山直昌 wrote: > > > 丸山です。 > > > > 私ならハードウェアの不調を疑ってみますね。以前14.3を外付けSDDにインストー > > ルした時のdmesgは残っていませんか？残っていれば現在14.3をインストールし > > て出るdmesgと比べてみたら如何でしょうか。 > > dmesg はあります。 > FreeBSD-14.3-p8 で比較してみたのですが、明確な差異は認めにくいよう > です。接触が悪いというような現象があるかどうか、明確ではありません。 > 書き忘れていましたが、ums0 という USB の光学式マウスです。 > 前例: USB 外付け SSD > 今回: 内蔵 HDD > > 私のほうでよく理解できていないのですが、 > 内蔵 HDD のほうを使用する場合、 /etc/rc.conf で1行無効にしてマウス > を認識・使用できるようになった次第です。(しかしこれが有意味かどうか、正 > 直に言って自信がない)。 > > #moused_nondefault_enable="NO" /etc/defaults/rc.confの中に moused_nondefault_enable="YES" # Treat non-default mice as enabled unless # specifically overridden in rc.conf(5). という行があります（折り返されて3行になっていますが実際は2行です）。 英文コメントのとおり、これを/etc/rc.confでNOにしてしまっていると、 VAIO内蔵のポインティングデバイスがデフォルトとして認識されている デフォルトでない外付けのマウスは無効化されてしまうのでは？ あとは、/etc/sysctl.confでkern.evdev.rcpt_maskをデフォルト （12になっているかと）から変えてみて変化があるかどうか。 自分用にコメント満載で記述してある中身（13にしてsysmouseも 拾うようにしないとElecom HUGE PLUSがvty以外では動作して くれません。　前世代機のHUGEの発売初期のものは12でvtyでも xorgでも動作しているのですが）を下記します。 ## evdev event generation settings for keyboards and mice. ## Set correlated bits to enable. ## The value is defined in sys/dev/evdev/evdev.h as ## #define EVDEV_RCPT_SYSMOUSE (1<<0) ## #define EVDEV_RCPT_KBDMUX (1<<1) ## #define EVDEV_RCPT_HW_MOUSE (1<<2) ## #define EVDEV_RCPT_HW_KBD (1<<3) ## extern int evdev_rcpt_mask; ## respectively. # # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=1 # bit0 (1<<0), via sysmouse # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=2 # bit1 (1<<1), via kbdmux # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=4 # bit2 (1<<2), direct USB mouse (ums) # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=8 # bit3 (1<<3), direct keyboard (atkbd and ukbd) # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=5 # Both bit2 and 0 (sysmouse and ums, no kbd) # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=6 # Both bit2 and 1 (ums and kbdmux) # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=7 # Bits2, 1, and 0 (ums, kbdmux and sysmouse) # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=9 # Bits3 and 0 (direct keyboard and sysmouse) # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=10 # Both bit3 and 1 (direct kbd and kbdmux) # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=11 # Bits3, 1, and 0 (HW kbd, kbdmux, sysmouse) # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=12 # Both bit3 and 2 (direct kbd and ums) default kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=13 # Bits 3, 2 and 0 (HW kbd, ums and sysmouse) # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=14 # Bits 3, 2 and 1 (HW kbd, ums and kbdmux) # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=15 # All 4 bits > > Tue, 3 Feb 2026 11:41:49 +0900 (JST) > > bluesky writes: > > > > >悸村です。 > > > > > >最近、古いマシンに FreeBSD 15.0 を新規インストールしたのですが、 > > >マウスが全然反応せず使用出来ません。 > > >SONY の古い一体型 旧VAIO で、BIOS の年式は2010年です。 > > > > > >ugen2.4: at usbus2 (disconnected) > > >usbhid1: at uhub3, port 3, addr 4 (disconnected) > > >hidbus1: detached > > >usbhid1: detached > > > > > >15.0 の例。この表示が繰り返し続く。 > > > > > >で、14.3 を新規インストールし直したのでずが、こちらでもマウスを > > >使用できません。 > > >以前、外付け SDD にインストールした 14.3 では不都合なくマウスも > > >認識され使用できています。 > > >いちおう xorg を使いたいのでマウス必須なのですが…。 > > > > > >-- > > >bluesky > > > > -------- > > 丸山 直昌 まるやま なおまさ > > メールアドレス： masa@amogha.jp > > -- > bluesky -- Tomoaki AOKI From nobody Tue Feb 3 13:23:06 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-users-jp@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4f541F3YFNz6PYYr for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2026 13:23:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amogha@www2797.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www2797.sakura.ne.jp (www2797.sakura.ne.jp [49.212.180.237]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4f541C3kKVz3Zj3 for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2026 13:23:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amogha@www2797.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: 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(124-18-6-240.area1c.commufa.jp [124.18.6.240]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.18.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 613EFF17089901; Tue, 3 Feb 2026 23:15:16 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dec.sakura.ne.jp; s=s2405; t=1770128116; bh=tOPX276sM9Oc6VnOlkxBCFm3Q0Hrp3gLFwdR/D9cNSw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=Aw7gNV+RRgOU/uOAtgjSTE85+GJ0QInpVeVCyLGcqGmGTnMxPgXX8y40VRTTQHiIh Q2/CHX3peFs++Qln+XFK5VxxrIoHaeakbypMjFIDzW7QWzuv/Ny8o3zJZm75U6PSsj e3VGT30CgXOnQfQ8YHPxGRgG72HywZRM8RW9pb54= Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2026 23:15:15 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: masa@amogha.jp Cc: bluesky , freebsd-users-jp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mouse =?UTF-8?B?44GM5L2/55So44Gn44GN44Gq44GE?= 14.3 / 15.0 Message-Id: <20260203231515.f348bf8009ccbc9daaecd4df@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: References: <721291379.439322.1770096849970@yahoo.co.jp> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd15.0) List-Id: Discussion relevant to FreeBSD communities in Japan List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-users-jp List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-users-jp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-users-jp@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4f559W0xH5z3pBS X-Spamd-Bar: ---- On Tue, 03 Feb 2026 22:23:06 +0900 丸山直昌 wrote: > 丸山です。 > > Tue, 3 Feb 2026 14:34:06 +0900 > bluesky writes: > > >dmesg はあります。 > >FreeBSD-14.3-p8 で比較してみたのですが、明確な差異は認めにくいよう > >です。接触が悪いというような現象があるかどうか、明確ではありません。 > > そうですか。すると > > >> Tue, 3 Feb 2026 11:41:49 +0900 (JST) > >> bluesky writes: > > >> >最近、古いマシンに FreeBSD 15.0 を新規インストールしたのですが、 > >> >マウスが全然反応せず使用出来ません。 > >> >SONY の古い一体型 旧VAIO で、BIOS の年式は2010年です。 > >> > > >> >ugen2.4: at usbus2 (disconnected) > >> >usbhid1: at uhub3, port 3, addr 4 (disconnected) > >> >hidbus1: detached > >> >usbhid1: detached > > この disconnected とか detached というのは 15.0 でだけ出て、14.3 では出 > ないということですか？ > > そういうことならば、私にはお手上げです。 こちらの件にコメントするのを忘れていました。 14.3の方は昔のdmesgは残っているけれど...という想定で。 古いPC・古い外付けデバイス（マウスに限らず）だと接触不良や 断線気味だったりでスイッチのチャタリングのような状態になって 接続・切断をあっという間に/var/log/messagesがローテーションする 勢いで繰り返すこともあります。 ＃ 私の場合、昔、テスト用に買って長らく使っていなかった ＃ USB1時代のUSBハブを久しぶりにポートを増やしたくて ＃ 繋げてみたらvty0がすごい勢いでスクロールしていって ＃ たまげたことがあります。　端子が乾拭きした程度では ＃ どうにもならないくらい酸化していました。 ＃ 全部当該USBハブのdisconnectとconnectでした。 ＃ 最もいやらしい、半端に接触しているパターンです。 他のマウスがあればそれで試しても同じ症状が出ますか？ 軽い接触不良程度なら電源を切った状態で10回か20回抜き差し すると直る場合もありますが、数回程度で効果がなければ 接点復活剤かコンタクトクリーナー（KUREのコンタクトスプレー やエレクトロニッククリーナー等）の出番、それで駄目なら 諦めています。　古いPCだとPC側の接点が酸化している場合も あります。 > > -------- > 丸山 直昌 まるやま なおまさ > メールアドレス： masa@amogha.jp > -- 青木 知明 [Tomoaki AOKI] From nobody Tue Feb 3 14:35:25 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-users-jp@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4f55cj1bHxz6PfSN for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2026 14:35:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4f55ch2nwNz3r4K for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2026 14:35:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from delta.joker.local (124-18-6-240.area1c.commufa.jp [124.18.6.240]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.18.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 613EZQgN094015; Tue, 3 Feb 2026 23:35:26 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dec.sakura.ne.jp; s=s2405; t=1770129326; bh=yUIftrVpjSgm3IovjeA6JrpE+iNDe3kmhYkhOxa+RNk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=r+Hy9Lr3vr+HPpwXvbTgbm/s+pJp1aLOac0X21f9ap/iStGZyumb/NCJ3AmgJ8cJ0 9ng4qD1aa4C/BZe1y3oDcKPEVXOuCPxc5rPdZrAtW8MaYBDAa0H67sv9MAltaIEGpu HOOsmbvCfPMyl/0wmjZmefwDsvsnA9vG3nZSh/sc= Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2026 23:35:25 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: shigekazu kimura Cc: masa@amogha.jp, freebsd-users-jp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mouse =?UTF-8?B?44GM5L2/55So44Gn44GN44Gq44GE?= 14.3 / 15.0 Message-Id: <20260203233525.cc6bf42ad0ea7f2cd573089e@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: References: <1705523241.1149978.1770086509627@mail.yahoo.co.jp> <721291379.439322.1770096849970@yahoo.co.jp> <20260203201424.a5c4fa401f2a8d6d65fe0775@dec.sakura.ne.jp> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd15.0) List-Id: Discussion relevant to FreeBSD communities in Japan List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-users-jp List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-users-jp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-users-jp@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4f55ch2nwNz3r4K X-Spamd-Bar: ---- 青木@名古屋です。 On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 23:01:06 +0900 shigekazu kimura wrote: > 悸村です。 > > 青木@名古屋 さん。 > ご教示をありがとうございます。 > /etc/defaults/rc.conf の下にある設定ファイルには気づかず、 > よく知らなかったので、/etc/rc.conf との関係について、納得 > できたと思います。 基本的に、/etc/defaults/以下のファイルには一切手を加えず 更新は直接使うかfreebsd-updateなりに任せるかは別として FreeBSDプロジェクトサイドのツールに全面的にお任せして しまわないとアップグレードで訳のわからないエラーに悩まされる 恐れがあるのでご注意を。 そういう意味で、「デフォルトをどこかに置いておける」性質で /etc/以下に置く類のファイルは全部（実態は全行コメントだと しても）/etc/defaults/に（ports由来は/usr/local/etc/default/ を新設してそこに）置いて、そこにデフォルトなり雛形なりの ないファイルは自分で直接編集してはならない（vipwやらadduserの ようなツールを使う）というのを原則としたほうがいいんじゃないか、 という気がしています。　そうすればアップグレード時の/etc/の 更新が失敗するリスクをほぼrootのシェルのデフォルト変更くらいに 絞り込めそうな。 ＃ 性質上どうにもできないのがmaster.passwdですので。 ＃ etcupdateにせよ15.0で消滅したmergemasterにせよ、 ＃ 基本的に行単位での更新確認・マージですから、デフォルト ＃ ではパスワードが無いけれど運用上パスワードなしは ＃ あり得ないrootの行は手も足も出ず、forumsで大量の ＃ 悲痛な叫びが上がっていました。 ＃ 今でもあれは新規インストール以外では絶対自動では ＃ 変更しない特別扱いを組み込むべきと思っています。 ＃ 一旦cshでインストールされているものはetcupdate等では ＃ 完全に無視し、「新規のデフォルトは変えたから、 ＃ インストール済み環境で変えたければ自分でchshしてね」 ＃ とRELNOTEやUPDATINGに書いておくのが正解だったような。 > > -- > bluesky > > 2026年2月3日(火) 20:15 Tomoaki AOKI : > > > > 青木@名古屋です。 > > > > On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 14:34:06 +0900 > > bluesky wrote: > > > > > 悸村です。 > > > > > > On Tue, 03 Feb 2026 12:00:35 +0900 > > > 丸山直昌 wrote: > > > > > > > 丸山です。 > > > > > > > > 私ならハードウェアの不調を疑ってみますね。以前14.3を外付けSDDにインストー > > > > ルした時のdmesgは残っていませんか？残っていれば現在14.3をインストールし > > > > て出るdmesgと比べてみたら如何でしょうか。 > > > > > > dmesg はあります。 > > > FreeBSD-14.3-p8 で比較してみたのですが、明確な差異は認めにくいよう > > > です。接触が悪いというような現象があるかどうか、明確ではありません。 > > > 書き忘れていましたが、ums0 という USB の光学式マウスです。 > > > 前例: USB 外付け SSD > > > 今回: 内蔵 HDD > > > > > > 私のほうでよく理解できていないのですが、 > > > 内蔵 HDD のほうを使用する場合、 /etc/rc.conf で1行無効にしてマウス > > > を認識・使用できるようになった次第です。(しかしこれが有意味かどうか、正 > > > 直に言って自信がない)。 > > > > > > #moused_nondefault_enable="NO" > > > > /etc/defaults/rc.confの中に > > > > moused_nondefault_enable="YES" # Treat non-default mice as > > enabled unless > > # specifically overridden in rc.conf(5). > > > > という行があります（折り返されて3行になっていますが実際は2行です）。 > > 英文コメントのとおり、これを/etc/rc.confでNOにしてしまっていると、 > > VAIO内蔵のポインティングデバイスがデフォルトとして認識されている > > デフォルトでない外付けのマウスは無効化されてしまうのでは？ > > > > あとは、/etc/sysctl.confでkern.evdev.rcpt_maskをデフォルト > > （12になっているかと）から変えてみて変化があるかどうか。 > > > > 自分用にコメント満載で記述してある中身（13にしてsysmouseも > > 拾うようにしないとElecom HUGE PLUSがvty以外では動作して > > くれません。　前世代機のHUGEの発売初期のものは12でvtyでも > > xorgでも動作しているのですが）を下記します。 > > > > ## evdev event generation settings for keyboards and mice. > > ## Set correlated bits to enable. > > ## The value is defined in sys/dev/evdev/evdev.h as > > ## #define EVDEV_RCPT_SYSMOUSE (1<<0) > > ## #define EVDEV_RCPT_KBDMUX (1<<1) > > ## #define EVDEV_RCPT_HW_MOUSE (1<<2) > > ## #define EVDEV_RCPT_HW_KBD (1<<3) > > ## extern int evdev_rcpt_mask; > > ## respectively. > > # > > # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=1 # bit0 (1<<0), via sysmouse > > # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=2 # bit1 (1<<1), via kbdmux > > # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=4 # bit2 (1<<2), direct USB mouse (ums) > > # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=8 # bit3 (1<<3), direct keyboard (atkbd and ukbd) > > # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=5 # Both bit2 and 0 (sysmouse and ums, no kbd) > > # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=6 # Both bit2 and 1 (ums and kbdmux) > > # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=7 # Bits2, 1, and 0 (ums, kbdmux and sysmouse) > > # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=9 # Bits3 and 0 (direct keyboard and sysmouse) > > # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=10 # Both bit3 and 1 (direct kbd and kbdmux) > > # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=11 # Bits3, 1, and 0 (HW kbd, kbdmux, sysmouse) > > # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=12 # Both bit3 and 2 (direct kbd and ums) default > > kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=13 # Bits 3, 2 and 0 (HW kbd, ums and > > sysmouse) > > # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=14 # Bits 3, 2 and 1 (HW kbd, ums and kbdmux) > > # kern.evdev.rcpt_mask=15 # All 4 bits > > > > > > > > Tue, 3 Feb 2026 11:41:49 +0900 (JST) > > > > bluesky writes: > > > > > > > > >悸村です。 > > > > > > > > > >最近、古いマシンに FreeBSD 15.0 を新規インストールしたのですが、 > > > > >マウスが全然反応せず使用出来ません。 > > > > >SONY の古い一体型 旧VAIO で、BIOS の年式は2010年です。 > > > > > > > > > >ugen2.4: at usbus2 (disconnected) > > > > >usbhid1: at uhub3, port 3, addr 4 (disconnected) > > > > >hidbus1: detached > > > > >usbhid1: detached > > > > > > > > > >15.0 の例。この表示が繰り返し続く。 > > > > > > > > > >で、14.3 を新規インストールし直したのでずが、こちらでもマウスを > > > > >使用できません。 > > > > >以前、外付け SDD にインストールした 14.3 では不都合なくマウスも > > > > >認識され使用できています。 > > > > >いちおう xorg を使いたいのでマウス必須なのですが…。 > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > >bluesky > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > 丸山 直昌 まるやま なおまさ > > > > メールアドレス： masa@amogha.jp > > > > > > -- > > > bluesky > > > > > > -- > > Tomoaki AOKI > > > > > -- > 悸村成一 > -- 青木 知明 [Tomoaki AOKI]