From owner-cvs-libexec Tue Aug 1 06:12:30 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA23563 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 06:12:30 -0700 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA23553 ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 06:12:26 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 06:12:26 -0700 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199508011312.GAA23553@freefall.cdrom.com> To: CVS-commiters, cvs-libexec Subject: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk jkh 95/08/01 06:12:25 Modified: libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c Log: A useful aid.. Add support for: %r: current release %m: machine architecture type (i386 for now) %s: OS name (FreeBSD) from uname() in banner string. From owner-cvs-libexec Tue Aug 1 08:41:00 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA27893 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:41:00 -0700 Received: from precipice.shockwave.com (precipice.shockwave.com [171.69.108.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA27887 ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:40:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by precipice.shockwave.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA00980; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:40:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199508011540.IAA00980@precipice.shockwave.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: CVS-commiters@freefall.cdrom.com, cvs-libexec@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Aug 1995 06:12:26 PDT." <199508011312.GAA23553@freefall.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 08:40:19 -0700 From: Paul Traina Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This is pretty bogus (IMO). This is absolutely positivel NOT the sort of information you want to present to a user before they've logged in. Paul From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c jkh 95/08/01 06:12:25 Modified: libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c Log: A useful aid.. Add support for: %r: current release %m: machine architecture type (i386 for now) %s: OS name (FreeBSD) from uname() in banner string. From owner-cvs-libexec Tue Aug 1 17:14:24 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id RAA16476 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:14:24 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA16454 ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:14:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA01007; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:13:58 -0700 To: Paul Traina cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , CVS-commiters@freefall.cdrom.com, cvs-libexec@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Aug 1995 08:40:19 PDT." <199508011540.IAA00980@precipice.shockwave.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 17:13:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1005.807322438@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk And why not? > This is pretty bogus (IMO). This is absolutely positivel NOT the sort of > information you want to present to a user before they've logged in. > > Paul > > From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > Subject: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c > jkh 95/08/01 06:12:25 > > Modified: libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c > Log: > A useful aid.. Add support for: > > %r: current release > %m: machine architecture type (i386 for now) > %s: OS name (FreeBSD) > > from uname() in banner string. From owner-cvs-libexec Tue Aug 1 17:21:39 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id RAA17058 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:21:39 -0700 Received: from precipice.shockwave.com (precipice.shockwave.com [171.69.108.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA17045 ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:21:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by precipice.shockwave.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA00991; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:20:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199508020020.RAA00991@precipice.shockwave.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , CVS-commiters@freefall.cdrom.com, cvs-libexec@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Aug 1995 17:13:58 PDT." <1005.807322438@time.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 17:20:11 -0700 From: Paul Traina Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk FreeBSD 2.0, eh? Gee, that means bug X, Y, and Z are most likely present. The -best- thing to present to a user before they login is: "Username:" or "login:" and nothing else. In fact, one of those big VM/370 banners is a good idea... lie. The idea here is that people don't need, and shouldn't be able to get any excess information about your system without authenticating first. The more I know about your system, the more likely I can break into it. Especially if it is a FreeBSD 2.x machine when 2.x has been obsolete for 3 or 4 years and I happen to have a list of bugs that were fixed 2 years ago but this machine hasn't been updated. Shit happens. Let's not make it any easier for the bad guys. From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c And why not? > This is pretty bogus (IMO). This is absolutely positivel NOT the sort of > information you want to present to a user before they've logged in. > > Paul > > From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > Subject: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c > jkh 95/08/01 06:12:25 > > Modified: libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c > Log: > A useful aid.. Add support for: > > %r: current release > %m: machine architecture type (i386 for now) > %s: OS name (FreeBSD) > > from uname() in banner string. From owner-cvs-libexec Tue Aug 1 18:54:24 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA21505 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 18:54:24 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA21499 ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 18:54:16 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA02196; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 18:54:09 -0700 To: Paul Traina cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , CVS-commiters@freefall.cdrom.com, cvs-libexec@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Aug 1995 17:20:11 PDT." <199508020020.RAA00991@precipice.shockwave.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 18:54:08 -0700 Message-ID: <2194.807328448@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > FreeBSD 2.0, eh? Gee, that means bug X, Y, and Z are most likely present. Oh heavens! We couldn't let them know THAT.. They.. They might choose not to log in then or something! > The -best- thing to present to a user before they login is: > "Username:" or "login:" and nothing else. So then do that! Maybe I shouldn't have changed the default gettytab, and I'll probably just go change it back since there's no need to make the change unnecessarily contraversal, but I think that the ABILITY to announce the release and architecture type in the login banner is a good idea.. In fact, I added it in response to someone who gritched that it wasn't immediately obvious. > The more I know about your system, the more likely I can break into it. > Especially if it is a FreeBSD 2.x machine when 2.x has been obsolete for > 3 or 4 years and I happen to have a list of bugs that were fixed 2 years > ago but this machine hasn't been updated. Well, people with such paranoias can simply not enable the feature. I'll change the default gettytab back to what it was so that an admin will have to specifically enable it. For admins, this information is USEFUL and not all of us are as worried about spies hiding under the beds.. Jordan From owner-cvs-libexec Tue Aug 1 18:56:37 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA21581 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 18:56:37 -0700 Received: from precipice.shockwave.com (precipice.shockwave.com [171.69.108.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA21573 ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 18:56:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by precipice.shockwave.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA01239; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 18:55:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199508020155.SAA01239@precipice.shockwave.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: CVS-commiters@freefall.cdrom.com, cvs-libexec@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Aug 1995 18:54:08 PDT." <2194.807328448@time.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 18:55:28 -0700 From: Paul Traina Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c Well, people with such paranoias can simply not enable the feature. I'll change the default gettytab back to what it was so that an admin will have to specifically enable it. For admins, this information is USEFUL and not all of us are as worried about spies hiding under the beds.. It's people like you who keep people like me in business. :-) From owner-cvs-libexec Wed Aug 2 04:20:26 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id EAA02815 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 04:20:26 -0700 Received: (from ache@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id EAA02792 ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 04:20:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 04:20:09 -0700 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" Message-Id: <199508021120.EAA02792@freefall.cdrom.com> To: CVS-commiters, cvs-libexec Subject: cvs commit: src/libexec/telnetd sys_term.c Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk ache 95/08/02 04:20:08 Modified: libexec/telnetd sys_term.c Log: Use the same DECODE_BAUD trick like in new telnetd to obtain termios speed. Obtained from: Pre-Lite2 telnet From owner-cvs-libexec Wed Aug 2 04:39:25 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id EAA03850 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 04:39:25 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA03828 ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 04:39:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA03052; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 04:39:02 -0700 To: paul@freebsd.org cc: pst@shockwave.com, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, CVS-commiters@freefall.cdrom.com, cvs-libexec@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 1995 10:56:49 BST." <199508020956.KAA12591@server.netcraft.co.uk> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 04:39:02 -0700 Message-ID: <3050.807363542@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > The correct response would have been to explain to this user that it > was firmly recommended not to do that for security reasons. Sigh. Conversations like this never cease to amaze me. What are we *arguing* about here, people?? In this instance we have "the security risk" I've introduced by giving the user the ability to change the default login banner. Wait a minute. What used to be there before? It was "FreeBSD (some.host.name) (ttyxx)", I believe, before all this ruckus got raised. Now this DOES tell us we're running FreeBSD, does it not? Sheesh. I don't *need* the version number! I know the project's only released 4 major releases and statistics would tend to lean towards 2.0 and 2.0.5, so I have all of *two* variations to try in my attack. Boy, challenge me big time, why don't ya! :-) Heck, if those don't work then I'll try my variation for -current and get just about everybody I missed on the first pass. All the technology is openly available, and if someone wants in based on a version-specific flaw then it's pretty obvious what they're going to do upon an encountering a FreeBSD system with no stated revision level: Try it. If it works, they're in. If it doesn't, they try the next trick in their bag or give up when they're out of tricks. A stated revision changes *nothing*. I'm sorry, this argument has gotten entirely too silly. I'm outta here. Jordan From owner-cvs-libexec Wed Aug 2 05:07:34 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA05608 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 05:07:34 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA05596 ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 05:07:32 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 05:07:32 -0700 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199508021207.FAA05596@freefall.cdrom.com> To: CVS-commiters, cvs-libexec Subject: cvs commit: src/libexec/telnetd ext.h Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk paul 95/08/02 05:07:32 Modified: libexec/telnetd ext.h Log: Change default banner fro 4.4 BSD to FreeBSD. From owner-cvs-libexec Wed Aug 2 09:40:36 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA16870 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:40:36 -0700 Received: from precipice.shockwave.com (precipice.shockwave.com [171.69.108.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA16864 ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:40:29 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by precipice.shockwave.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA12574; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:39:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199508021639.JAA12574@precipice.shockwave.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: paul@freebsd.org, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, CVS-commiters@freefall.cdrom.com, cvs-libexec@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 1995 04:39:02 PDT." <3050.807363542@time.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 09:39:21 -0700 From: Paul Traina Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Actually, what we are arguing about is a philosophy. Taken to an extreme, you can follow the sun philosophy and ship a unix system out of the box with "+" in /etc/host.equiv or you can take the approach that we should ship a system that is reasonably secure for someone to install out of the box on the net. Do you really want to have to answer the hate mail when Joe Linux-twit installs FreeBSD for the first time and gets raped because he didn't know he needed to set a password on 'toor' ? Which do you want, Jordan? From owner-cvs-libexec Wed Aug 2 18:47:07 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA10460 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:47:07 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA10446 ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:47:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA05662; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:46:47 -0700 To: Paul Traina cc: paul@freebsd.org, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, CVS-commiters@freefall.cdrom.com, cvs-libexec@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 1995 09:39:21 PDT." <199508021639.JAA12574@precipice.shockwave.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 18:46:46 -0700 Message-ID: <5660.807414406@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Actually, what we are arguing about is a philosophy. > > Taken to an extreme, you can follow the sun philosophy and ship a > unix system out of the box with "+" in /etc/host.equiv or you can > take the approach that we should ship a system that is reasonably > secure for someone to install out of the box on the net. Yes, but we're not talking about such extremes of security abuse and so this entire conversation is irrelevant. You set up a straw man and knock him down. Well done. But what does that have to do with anything? Jordan From owner-cvs-libexec Wed Aug 2 20:41:32 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA14535 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 20:41:32 -0700 Received: from precipice.shockwave.com (precipice.shockwave.com [171.69.108.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA14528 ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 20:41:07 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by precipice.shockwave.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA15584; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:57:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199508030157.SAA15584@precipice.shockwave.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: paul@freebsd.org, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, CVS-commiters@freefall.cdrom.com, cvs-libexec@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 1995 18:46:46 PDT." <5660.807414406@time.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 18:57:36 -0700 From: Paul Traina Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk The point is that we have to find a reasonable compromise between security and convinience. We should, by default, ship secure, and make it convinient for someone to slit their own throat, if, and only if, they've been warned that they'll slit their throat. From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c > Actually, what we are arguing about is a philosophy. > > Taken to an extreme, you can follow the sun philosophy and ship a > unix system out of the box with "+" in /etc/host.equiv or you can > take the approach that we should ship a system that is reasonably > secure for someone to install out of the box on the net. Yes, but we're not talking about such extremes of security abuse and so this entire conversation is irrelevant. You set up a straw man and knock him down. Well done. But what does that have to do with anything? Jordan From owner-cvs-libexec Wed Aug 2 21:05:16 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA16119 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 21:05:16 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA16094 ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 21:05:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA09789; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 21:05:00 -0700 To: Paul Traina cc: paul@freebsd.org, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, CVS-commiters@freefall.cdrom.com, cvs-libexec@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 1995 18:57:36 PDT." <199508030157.SAA15584@precipice.shockwave.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 21:05:00 -0700 Message-ID: <9787.807422700@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > The point is that we have to find a reasonable compromise between > security and convinience. We should, by default, ship secure, and > make it convinient for someone to slit their own throat, if, and only > if, they've been warned that they'll slit their throat. Well, I'm already compliant on that first part (the change to gettytab's default was backed out), what sort of dire warning would you suggest for the second? I am honestly taken aback at the amount of ire that this particular change has caused though! I truly expected it to just sort of sail in with maybe a few "huh, interesting hack" comments at the most and instead I encounter this. I can't, however, really help but be convinced by this latest exchange (and I'm sorry if it brands me as a narrow minded Stallmanesque neo-communist or something) that both Pauls here have way too much free time on their hands if they're truly worrying about things at such a petty level. Sorry, that's just the way I see it. Jordan From owner-cvs-libexec Wed Aug 2 22:44:50 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA17452 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 22:44:50 -0700 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA17442 ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 22:44:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 22:44:47 -0700 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199508030544.WAA17442@freefall.cdrom.com> To: CVS-commiters, cvs-libexec Subject: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk jkh 95/08/02 22:44:47 Modified: libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c Log: Back this change out. It's just not worth arguing over and any further emails I get on this topic will go straight to /dev/null. This is absolutely the last word on this topic you'll see from me. Too much time has already been wasted. From owner-cvs-libexec Thu Aug 3 01:31:14 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id BAA21376 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 01:31:14 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA21164 ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 01:29:33 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <55411>; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:26:51 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA25105; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 22:41:16 +0200 Message-Id: <199508022041.WAA25105@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Paul Traina cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , paul@freebsd.org, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, CVS-commiters@freefall.cdrom.com, cvs-libexec@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 1995 18:39:21 +0200." <199508021639.JAA12574@precipice.shockwave.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 22:41:15 +0200 From: "Julian Stacey " Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Another example of the dups I'd like to reduce: ----- To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: paul@freebsd.org, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, CVS-commiters@freefall.cdrom.com, cvs-libexec@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:39:21 +0200 From: Paul Traina ----- Not that I mean wrt Paul in this, I'm just being flooed by dups I'm a commiter, so that explain one copy, bit how come 2 ? Julian S From owner-cvs-libexec Thu Aug 3 05:05:16 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA26379 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 05:05:16 -0700 Received: from server.netcraft.co.uk (server.netcraft.co.uk [194.72.238.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA26371 ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 05:05:11 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by server.netcraft.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA28590; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:57:40 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199508031157.MAA28590@server.netcraft.co.uk> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c To: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Julian Stacey) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:57:40 +0100 (BST) Cc: pst@shockwave.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, paul@freebsd.org, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, CVS-commiters@freefall.cdrom.com, cvs-libexec@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199508022041.WAA25105@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian Stacey" at Aug 2, 95 10:41:15 pm Reply-to: paul@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 814 Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Julian Stacey who said > > > Another example of the dups I'd like to reduce: > ----- > To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > cc: paul@freebsd.org, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, CVS-commiters@freefall.cdrom.com, > cvs-libexec@freefall.cdrom.com > Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:39:21 +0200 > From: Paul Traina > ----- > > Not that I mean wrt Paul in this, I'm just being flooed by dups > I'm a commiter, so that explain one copy, bit how come 2 ? > Julian S > Because you're on 2 cvs lists. I think this is your fault. -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-cvs-libexec Thu Aug 3 10:34:35 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA06883 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:34:35 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA06837 ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:34:10 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <55346>; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 19:31:07 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA01406; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 19:30:45 +0200 Message-Id: <199508031730.TAA01406@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: paul@freebsd.org cc: pst@shockwave.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, CVS-commiters@freefall.cdrom.com, cvs-libexec@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/getty gettytab.5 main.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 Aug 1995 13:57:40 +0200." <199508031157.MAA28590@server.netcraft.co.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 19:30:45 +0200 From: "Julian Stacey " Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Because you're on 2 cvs lists. I think this is your fault. You know, I've had that feeling all along too ! I asked postmaster whether he could spot a dup, but I guess my question got lost, I also tried: ---- mail majordomo@freebsd.org Subject: who jhs which jhs --- but didnt spot it, so in parallel with this, ive just fired off another one, 2nd time luck i hope :-) Thanks Julian S From owner-cvs-libexec Sat Aug 5 11:16:56 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA24766 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 11:16:56 -0700 Received: (from ats@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA24756 ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 11:16:51 -0700 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 11:16:51 -0700 From: Andreas Schulz Message-Id: <199508051816.LAA24756@freefall.cdrom.com> To: CVS-commiters, cvs-libexec Subject: cvs commit: src/libexec/telnetd sys_term.c Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk ats 95/08/05 11:16:51 Modified: libexec/telnetd sys_term.c Log: Fix some typos in a comment BUAD -> BAUD. From owner-cvs-libexec Sat Aug 5 12:12:08 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA26143 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 12:12:08 -0700 Received: (from pst@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA26133 ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 12:12:07 -0700 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 12:12:07 -0700 From: Paul Traina Message-Id: <199508051912.MAA26133@freefall.cdrom.com> To: CVS-commiters, cvs-libexec Subject: cvs commit: src/libexec/ftpd Makefile ftpd.8 ftpd.c Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk pst 95/08/05 12:12:06 Modified: usr.bin/ftp Makefile cmds.c cmdtab.c extern.h ftp.1 ftp.c ftp_var.h main.c libexec/ftpd Makefile ftpd.8 ftpd.c Log: Use data ports in the range 40000..44999 by default to enhance FTP usability in a firewall environment. Original idea by Mark Tracy (?). Reviewed by: wollman Submitted by: pst From owner-cvs-libexec Sat Aug 5 13:40:58 1995 Return-Path: cvs-libexec-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA29158 for cvs-libexec-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 13:40:58 -0700 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA29125 ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 13:40:45 -0700 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA18720 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:35:36 +0400 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Sun, 6 Aug 95 00:35:35 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id AAA01158; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:31:46 +0400 To: CVS-commiters@freefall.cdrom.com, cvs-libexec@freefall.cdrom.com, Paul Traina References: <199508051912.MAA26133@freefall.cdrom.com> In-Reply-To: <199508051912.MAA26133@freefall.cdrom.com>; from Paul Traina at Sat, 5 Aug 1995 12:12:07 -0700 Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:31:46 +0400 (MSD) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.40 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= aka "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/libexec/ftpd Makefile ftpd.8 ftpd.c Lines: 22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 887 Sender: cvs-libexec-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199508051912.MAA26133@freefall.cdrom.com> Paul Traina writes: >pst 95/08/05 12:12:06 > Modified: usr.bin/ftp Makefile cmds.c cmdtab.c extern.h ftp.1 ftp.c > ftp_var.h main.c > libexec/ftpd Makefile ftpd.8 ftpd.c > Log: > Use data ports in the range 40000..44999 by default to enhance FTP usability > in a firewall environment. Original idea by Mark Tracy (?). Can you fix ncftp too, please? If you decide to do it, please don't forget to send your changes to mgleason@cse.unl.edu to sneak them into future releases. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849