From owner-cvs-usrbin Sun Sep 3 04:40:44 1995 Return-Path: cvs-usrbin-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id EAA12552 for cvs-usrbin-outgoing; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 04:40:44 -0700 Received: (from markm@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id EAA12534 ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 04:40:39 -0700 Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 04:40:39 -0700 From: Mark Murray Message-Id: <199509031140.EAA12534@freefall.FreeBSD.org> To: CVS-commiters, cvs-usrbin Subject: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/passwd Makefile Sender: cvs-usrbin-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk markm 95/09/03 04:40:39 Modified: usr.bin/passwd Makefile Log: Add pw_yp.c to SRCS. This is code that was moved to chpass, but passwd still needs it to build. From owner-cvs-usrbin Sun Sep 3 05:38:48 1995 Return-Path: cvs-usrbin-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA16598 for cvs-usrbin-outgoing; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 05:38:48 -0700 Received: from eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA16573 ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 05:37:35 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.142.36]) by eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA23203; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 14:37:15 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA02109; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 22:16:56 +0200 Message-Id: <199509012016.WAA02109@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , CVS-commiters@freefall.FreeBSD.org, cvs-usrbin@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/ee - Imported sources In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 31 Aug 1995 17:53:18 PDT." <12720.809916798@time.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 1995 22:16:55 +0200 From: "Julian Stacey " Sender: cvs-usrbin-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Jordan, cc list You wrote: > Show me an editor that's implemented as one 110K source file and I'll > be impressed.. :-) What relevance source ? surely binary size is the thing ? > > We are a BSD OS, not a DOS Weenie OS, if the user doesnt understand VI, > > that's his problem not ours, clueless DOSers are of debatable benefit, > > `Least suprise' requires we offer a vi like interface. > > Needless to say, this is complete and utter elitist rubbish and I'm > certainly very glad that you're not in charge of writing our user > interfaces or documentation! :-) FreeBSD is a BSD Unix rewrite/clone, with BSD norms, departures from BSD norms are best debated before commiting. Vi is the standard Unix screen editor, (with Emacs as 2nd I guess). `Least Suprise' requires if vi is too big you first try a standard BSD interface clone editor, such as elvis or stevie, (or maybe micro emacs ?). My offer to port elvis or stevie to replace EE stands. Abandon `least suprise' when it suits you, & expect others to abandon it when it suits them, & watch our BSD ethos erode. ------ Hopefully, FreeBSD should make a strategic decision: Either emphasise the recruiting & supporting of : A) Computer professionals new to BSD Unix, but who are intelligent & can read English docs, & are happy to learn BSD standard tools. B) Unskilled amateur users who don't know vi, prefer not to read original English intro. docs etc. Type (A) ( The `Elitist' Target ;-) - are likely to contribute more to our code base, - are less likely to pose so many basic questions, - may commission commercial packages ports. - may import FreeBSD to their firms, - may purchase commercial support that we hope to offer - may create employee job opportunities, - may contract independent freelancers like me Type (B) ( The `Great Unwashed' Target ;-) - will not purchase any commercial support we evolve - will burden our mail lists with basic questions taught in college or night classes & by tutorial. - will get us noticed more - will not - per head, & per support effort - contribute as much as (A) - suits your missionary zeal & helpful nature :-) - will create higher volume CD sales for your paymaster Walnut, (than type A people in firms with good net distribution) The question for FreeBSD to collectively decide is: Which segment should be actively recruited ? ... and at what support price ? Julian S From owner-cvs-usrbin Sun Sep 3 09:12:05 1995 Return-Path: cvs-usrbin-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA21679 for cvs-usrbin-outgoing; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 09:12:05 -0700 Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA21661 ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 09:11:59 -0700 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199509031611.JAA21661@freefall.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/passwd Makefile To: markm@freefall.FreeBSD.org.cdrom.com (Mark Murray) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 09:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Cc: cvs-commiters, cvs-usrbin In-Reply-To: <199509031140.EAA12534@freefall.FreeBSD.org> from "Mark Murray" at Sep 3, 95 04:40:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 440 Sender: cvs-usrbin-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > markm 95/09/03 04:40:39 > > Modified: usr.bin/passwd Makefile > Log: > Add pw_yp.c to SRCS. This is code that was moved to chpass, but passwd still > needs it to build. > Whoops... Thanks. The other night when I transfered all my stuff over to freefall from my test machine I somehow forgot to pull over an updated copy of this Makefile. No no, no need to pass the hat: I already got one. Eet's very nahz. -Bill From owner-cvs-usrbin Sun Sep 3 18:23:01 1995 Return-Path: cvs-usrbin-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA08440 for cvs-usrbin-outgoing; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 18:23:01 -0700 Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA08430 ; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 18:22:55 -0700 Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 18:22:55 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <199509040122.SAA08430@freefall.FreeBSD.org> To: CVS-commiters, cvs-usrbin Subject: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/w w.c Sender: cvs-usrbin-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk peter 95/09/03 18:22:55 Modified: usr.bin/finger sprint.c bin/ps keyword.c print.c usr.bin/w w.c Log: Increase the tty column width from 2 to 3 characters. This gives us more room to breath with tty names, especially with drivers that support large numbers of ports.. eg: specialix and digiboard. This does not actually change the current tty names, it just allows room for reporting more characters if the drivers use them. From owner-cvs-usrbin Wed Sep 6 03:32:54 1995 Return-Path: cvs-usrbin-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id DAA01939 for cvs-usrbin-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 03:32:54 -0700 Received: (from davidg@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id DAA01906 ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 03:32:49 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 03:32:49 -0700 From: David Greenman Message-Id: <199509061032.DAA01906@freefall.freebsd.org> To: CVS-commiters, cvs-usrbin Subject: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/netstat main.c mroute.c Sender: cvs-usrbin-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk davidg 95/09/06 03:32:48 Branch: usr.bin/netstat RELENG_2_1_0 Modified: usr.bin/netstat main.c mroute.c Log: Brought in changes from main branch: support for mcast v3.5. From owner-cvs-usrbin Wed Sep 6 05:38:59 1995 Return-Path: cvs-usrbin-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA25549 for cvs-usrbin-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 05:38:59 -0700 Received: (from joerg@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA25522 ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 05:38:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 05:38:55 -0700 From: Joerg Wunsch Message-Id: <199509061238.FAA25522@freefall.freebsd.org> To: CVS-commiters, cvs-usrbin Subject: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/su su.1 su.c Sender: cvs-usrbin-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk joerg 95/09/06 05:38:54 Modified: usr.bin/su su.1 su.c Log: Bring Barry Morris' changes from FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 back: pass arguments to the target login's shell. This allows for "su -c". Do it right this time and also explain this behaviour in the man page. :) Obtained from: bsm's work in FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 From owner-cvs-usrbin Wed Sep 6 11:29:08 1995 Return-Path: cvs-usrbin-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA29438 for cvs-usrbin-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 11:29:08 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA29422 ; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 11:29:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA03441; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 11:28:58 -0700 To: Joerg Wunsch Cc: CVS-commiters@freefall.freebsd.org, cvs-usrbin@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/su su.1 su.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 Sep 1995 05:38:55 PDT." <199509061238.FAA25522@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 11:28:58 -0700 Message-ID: <3435.810412138@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: cvs-usrbin-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yea! Unser Held! Jordan > joerg 95/09/06 05:38:54 > > Modified: usr.bin/su su.1 su.c > Log: > Bring Barry Morris' changes from FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 back: pass arguments > to the target login's shell. This allows for "su -c". > > Do it right this time and also explain this behaviour in the man > page. :) > > Obtained from: bsm's work in FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 From owner-cvs-usrbin Thu Sep 7 19:58:52 1995 Return-Path: cvs-usrbin-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA17943 for cvs-usrbin-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:58:52 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA17932 ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:58:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:58:39 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199509080258.TAA17932@freefall.freebsd.org> To: CVS-commiters, cvs-usrbin Subject: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/sasc - New directory Sender: cvs-usrbin-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk julian 95/09/07 19:58:38 src/usr.bin/sasc - New directory From owner-cvs-usrbin Thu Sep 7 20:08:10 1995 Return-Path: cvs-usrbin-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA18186 for cvs-usrbin-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:08:10 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA18174 ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:08:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 20:08:02 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199509080308.UAA18174@freefall.freebsd.org> To: CVS-commiters, cvs-usrbin Subject: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/sasc INSTALL Makefile README sasc.1 sasc.c Sender: cvs-usrbin-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk julian 95/09/07 20:08:02 Added: usr.bin/sasc INSTALL Makefile README sasc.1 sasc.c Log: Submitted by: Luigi Rizzo (luigi@iet.unipi.it) Obtained from: Gunther Schadow and Luigi Rizzo control program for Trust AmiScan BW (GI1904 chipset) ASC - A device driver for a handy scanner This is a device driver for GI1904-based hand scanners, e.g. the Trust Amiscan Grey and possibly others. The driver is based on the "gsc" driver and, partly, on a Linux driver. The driver has a working select(). -Luigi Rizzo (luigi@iet.unipi.it) From owner-cvs-usrbin Fri Sep 8 11:42:51 1995 Return-Path: cvs-usrbin-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA24349 for cvs-usrbin-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:42:51 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA24339 ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:42:47 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:42:47 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199509081842.LAA24339@freefall.freebsd.org> To: CVS-commiters, cvs-usrbin Subject: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/sasc sasc.1 sasc.c Sender: cvs-usrbin-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk julian 95/09/08 11:42:47 Modified: usr.bin/sasc sasc.1 sasc.c Log: add RCS Id strings so we know what we have From owner-cvs-usrbin Fri Sep 8 13:22:17 1995 Return-Path: cvs-usrbin-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA03020 for cvs-usrbin-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:22:17 -0700 Received: (from jmz@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA03005 ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:22:09 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:22:09 -0700 From: Jean-Marc Zucconi Message-Id: <199509082022.NAA03005@freefall.freebsd.org> To: CVS-commiters, cvs-usrbin Subject: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/ee/nls/fr_FR.ISO_8859-1 - New directory Sender: cvs-usrbin-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk jmz 95/09/08 13:22:08 src/usr.bin/ee/nls/fr_FR.ISO_8859-1 - New directory From owner-cvs-usrbin Fri Sep 8 13:33:33 1995 Return-Path: cvs-usrbin-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA03897 for cvs-usrbin-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:33:33 -0700 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA03876 ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:33:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:33:25 -0700 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199509082033.NAA03876@freefall.freebsd.org> To: CVS-commiters, cvs-usrbin Subject: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/ruptime ruptime.c Sender: cvs-usrbin-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk jkh 95/09/08 13:33:24 Modified: usr.bin/ruptime ruptime.c Log: Change the errx(0,...) to errx(1,...) Submitted by: Mike Murphy From owner-cvs-usrbin Sat Sep 9 08:06:20 1995 Return-Path: cvs-usrbin-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA18139 for cvs-usrbin-outgoing; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 08:06:20 -0700 Received: (from jmz@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA18121 ; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 08:06:09 -0700 Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 08:06:09 -0700 From: Jean-Marc Zucconi Message-Id: <199509091506.IAA18121@freefall.freebsd.org> To: CVS-commiters, cvs-usrbin Subject: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/ee/nls/fr_FR.ISO_8859-1 ee.msg Sender: cvs-usrbin-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk jmz 95/09/09 08:06:09 Modified: usr.bin/ee Makefile Log: Add fr_FR.ISO_8859-1 to LANGS Added: usr.bin/ee/nls/fr_FR.ISO_8859-1 ee.msg Log: message catalog for fr_FR.ISO_8859-1