From owner-freebsd-announce Wed Dec 6 04:55:50 1995 Return-Path: owner-announce Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA08838 for announce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 04:55:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA08833 Wed, 6 Dec 1995 04:55:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA19167; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 04:55:20 -0800 To: hackers@freebsd.org cc: announce@freebsd.org Subject: Second appeal for sup, CTM, mail and www servers. Please help! Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 04:55:20 -0800 Message-ID: <19165.818254520@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-announce@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk First the good news: We've decided, after much internal debate, to re-open general read access to the CVS repository. Yes, you heard that correctly - no more access lists for getting at the CVS bits, we're opening the doors. Not only will we open the doors, in fact, but we will also probably deploy a few extra services for getting at this information in various interesting ways, including the clever little "check out over anon FTP" feature that OpenBSD is using and probably a few other WWW based search/diff tools as well (contributions welcome here, BTW). Now the bad news: We don't have the resources to actually deploy any of these services from freefall.freebsd.org. We're truly maxed out here folks. Not only is our poor machine handling almost hallucinogenic amounts of mail these days, but it is also dealing with the load of many thousands of web hits, 10 sup clients pounding it almost continuously and a CTM delta generation job from hell that causes the lights in the machine room to dim noticeably whenever it runs. Now if this machine were just sitting in a corner beating its brains out, nobody would actually even care. Unfortunately, it's instead supposed to be our main development box, an as such is used by many interactive users. When CVS operations and such are slow on it, all FreeBSD development is adversely impacted. Therefore, in order to continue to offer even the existing level of services, we are simply going to have to start looking at how to offload some of this stuff from our machine. We can't go on like this and still offer any kind of reasonable service to our users. What we most desperately need are sup servers who can provide: a) At least 300-400MB of free space. b) A reasonably fast (and uncongested) internet connection c) Connectivity for *at least* 20 sup clients. That last clause is actually important only if you will be supping directly from freefall. Since it would obviously defeat the purpose to see freefall sink under the load of dozens of mirrors, we'd like to limit the number of direct mirrors to 6 sites. This will allow us to service the mirrors and the core team directly from freefall without going beyond our current limit of 10 (and hopefully not see them maxed out all the time!). If a sup server decides to export bits to some other sup server, that's fine just so long as they're well connected and won't end up with some server offering out-of-date bits to an unsuspecting user base. We'd also be happy if a site providing sup access for CVS could at least be NFS mountable (if not the same machine) for a WWW server which could, at some point, provide the same fancy lookup tools as provided on freefall.freebsd.org. Sits willing to do CTM delta generation as well would also probably be a big help, though you'll have to ask Poul-Henning Kamp for more direct assistance in setting up such mirrors. If we could move the CTM delta generation off of freefall entirely at some point then that would be another big load reduction. Please don't misunderstand me: This is a fairly big committment, and it would not be honest of me if I failed to point out that sup and CTM services WILL impose a significant overhead on any machine assigned to the task! I'm primarily looking for people at universities or ISPs who have the hardware and network bandwidth to spare, not someone for whom the service will quickly become a significant hardship. Again, we're very close to being able to make the CVS repository available for generally access again, but we just can't do it from freefall. We don't have the resources! Thanks very much in advance to anyone willing to help us out here.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-announce Wed Dec 6 07:18:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-announce Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA19008 for announce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 07:18:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from chrome.jdl.com (chrome.onramp.net [199.1.166.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA19003 Wed, 6 Dec 1995 07:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chrome.jdl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA14503; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:17:38 -0600 Message-Id: <199512061517.JAA14503@chrome.jdl.com> X-Authentication-Warning: chrome.jdl.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freebsd.org, announce@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Second appeal for sup, CTM, mail and www servers. Please help! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 Dec 1995 04:55:20 PST." <19165.818254520@time.cdrom.com> Clarity-Index: null Threat-Level: none Software-Engineering-Dead-Seriousness: There's no excuse for unreadable code. Net-thought: If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your Kill file. Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 09:17:37 -0600 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: owner-announce@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Apparently, "Jordan K. Hubbard" scribbled: > First the good news: > > We've decided, after much internal debate, to re-open general read > access to the CVS repository. Yes, you heard that correctly - no more > access lists for getting at the CVS bits, we're opening the doors. Cool! > Now the bad news: > > We don't have the resources to actually deploy any of these services > from freefall.freebsd.org. Stupid question: Is this just a matter of "donated machine" or is it more than that (bandwidth) too? Would another machine next door to freefall be a valid approach? In particular, freely speaking for some of us (:-), I'd say many of us would be willing to chip in, say, $20 to $100 (each!) towards a dedicated machine. Would this approach work to give freefall a buddy? jdl From owner-freebsd-announce Wed Dec 6 07:53:52 1995 Return-Path: owner-announce Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA23818 for announce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 07:53:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebsd.netcom.com (freebsd.netcom.com [198.211.79.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA23805 Wed, 6 Dec 1995 07:53:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bugs@localhost) by freebsd.netcom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA06141; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:50:35 -0600 From: Mark Hittinger Message-Id: <199512061550.JAA06141@freebsd.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Second appeal for sup, CTM, mail and www servers. Please help! (fwd) To: hackers@freebsd.org, announce@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:50:35 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-announce@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From: Jon Loeliger >Stupid question: Is this just a matter of "donated machine" or >is it more than that (bandwidth) too? Would another machine next >door to freefall be a valid approach? In particular, freely speaking >for some of us (:-), I'd say many of us would be willing to chip in, >say, $20 to $100 (each!) towards a dedicated machine. Would this >approach work to give freefall a buddy? Here here! I'd be willing to "chip" in :-) Regards, Mark Hittinger Netcom/Dallas bugs@freebsd.netcom.com voice: 214-550-6175 From owner-freebsd-announce Wed Dec 6 09:38:48 1995 Return-Path: owner-announce Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA04239 for announce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:38:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from bacata.usc.unal.edu.co ([200.21.26.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04201 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:38:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by bacata.usc.unal.edu.co (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29480; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:35:24 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:35:24 -0600 (CST) From: Pedro Giffuni To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: announce@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Second appeal for sup, CTM, mail and www servers. Please help! In-Reply-To: <19165.818254520@time.cdrom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-announce@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, We would like to help, I will consult the proper authorities on our campus, the main idea is that a computer reseller could offer us a big PC to build a public site. The cost for the computer company (Compaq, for example ) would be the same as a commercial banner, but it would be an interesting publicity, much like SUNSITEs. We currently don`t have the bandwith to offer that type of services, but next year we expect to have a much better connection and an internal ATM network. Keep up the faith, FreeBSD replicates very easily. regards, Pedro. Universidad Nacional de Colombia From owner-freebsd-announce Wed Dec 6 10:40:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-announce Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA08658 for announce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:40:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08526 Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:39:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA25075; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:39:23 +0200 Received: from localhost (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA08521; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:39:20 +0200 Message-Id: <199512061839.UAA08521@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, announce@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Second appeal for sup, CTM, mail and www servers. Please help! Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 20:39:19 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-announce@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > First the good news: > > We've decided, after much internal debate, to re-open general read > access to the CVS repository. Yes, you heard that correctly - no more > access lists for getting at the CVS bits, we're opening the doors. Yaay! > Not only will we open the doors, in fact, but we will also probably > deploy a few extra services for getting at this information in various > interesting ways, including the clever little "check out over anon > FTP" feature that OpenBSD is using and probably a few other WWW based > search/diff tools as well (contributions welcome here, BTW). Yaay! > We don't have the resources to actually deploy any of these services > from freefall.freebsd.org. I can help here. > We're truly maxed out here folks. Not only is our poor machine > handling almost hallucinogenic amounts of mail these days, but it is > also dealing with the load of many thousands of web hits, 10 sup > clients pounding it almost continuously and a CTM delta generation job > from hell that causes the lights in the machine room to dim noticeably > whenever it runs. I have offered to do this on ftp.internat.freebsd.org and volunteer it again. I have a volunteer with a "well-connected" machine who can remail this for me. I suspect, though, that I will need more remailers to make this work properly. More volunteers? (Preferably representing a country/region). The problem is internat.freebsd.org does not have the bandwidth to mega-mail the world! > Now if this machine were just sitting in a corner beating its brains > out, nobody would actually even care. Unfortunately, it's instead > supposed to be our main development box, an as such is used by many > interactive users. When CVS operations and such are slow on it, all > FreeBSD development is adversely impacted. See above. ftp.internat.freebsd.org is your friend :-). The machine is modest by your standards, (50MHZ 486 w/ 16MB RAM) but is idle 99% of the time. > Therefore, in order to continue to offer even the existing level of > services, we are simply going to have to start looking at how to > offload some of this stuff from our machine. We can't go on like this > and still offer any kind of reasonable service to our users. > > What we most desperately need are sup servers who can provide: > > a) At least 300-400MB of free space. 2GB? I've got it! > b) A reasonably fast (and uncongested) internet connection Through proxy remailers and ftp mirrors, should be OK. > c) Connectivity for *at least* 20 sup clients. Er, help?! The "well-connected" site I ewas referring to may be able to help here, but the line latency to ZA plays hell with SUP. Brings out the worst in it. Any chances of doing some kind of FSP mirroring? > That last clause is actually important only if you will be supping > directly from freefall. Since it would obviously defeat the purpose > to see freefall sink under the load of dozens of mirrors, we'd like to > limit the number of direct mirrors to 6 sites. This will allow us to > service the mirrors and the core team directly from freefall without > going beyond our current limit of 10 (and hopefully not see them maxed > out all the time!). If a sup server decides to export bits to some > other sup server, that's fine just so long as they're well connected > and won't end up with some server offering out-of-date bits to an > unsuspecting user base. Oh, right! I could probably take over ZA, and serve all of _that_ with not too much of a problem!! :-) > We'd also be happy if a site providing sup access for CVS could at > least be NFS mountable (if not the same machine) for a WWW server > which could, at some point, provide the same fancy lookup tools as > provided on freefall.freebsd.org. Hmm... I'll look around... > Sits willing to do CTM delta generation as well would also probably be > a big help, though you'll have to ask Poul-Henning Kamp > for more direct assistance in setting up such > mirrors. If we could move the CTM delta generation off of freefall > entirely at some point then that would be another big load reduction. I can do these. I am already doing these for the international crypto code. Remailers would be a massive help. > Please don't misunderstand me: This is a fairly big committment, and > it would not be honest of me if I failed to point out that sup and CTM > services WILL impose a significant overhead on any machine assigned to > the task! I'm primarily looking for people at universities or ISPs > who have the hardware and network bandwidth to spare, not someone for > whom the service will quickly become a significant hardship. I am a nework engineer for an ISP, and I have contacts at a couple of sites, including a univerity or two. I'll ask around for those that I have not already offered. > Again, we're very close to being able to make the CVS repository > available for generally access again, but we just can't do it from > freefall. We don't have the resources! Count me in! > Thanks very much in advance to anyone willing to help us out here.. :-) :-) :-) M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grumble.grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-announce Wed Dec 6 11:04:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-announce Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA10717 for announce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:04:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from felix.cs.wisc.edu (felix.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.73.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10697 Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:04:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jcargill@localhost) by felix.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA04391; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:03:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:03:56 -0600 Message-Id: <199512061903.NAA04391@felix.cs.wisc.edu> From: Jonathan Cargille To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Jon Loeliger , hackers@FreeBSD.org, announce@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Second appeal for sup, CTM, mail and www servers. Please help! In-Reply-To: <199512061517.JAA14503@chrome.jdl.com> References: <19165.818254520@time.cdrom.com> <199512061517.JAA14503@chrome.jdl.com> Sender: owner-announce@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jon Loeliger writes: In particular, freely speaking for some of us (:-), I'd say many of us would be willing to chip in, say, $20 to $100 (each!) towards a dedicated machine. Would this approach work to give freefall a buddy? I can think of a couple of companies ;-) that would be glad to chip in more than that! Jon DiscNet, Inc. From owner-freebsd-announce Fri Dec 8 06:18:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-announce Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA06988 for announce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 06:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from healer.com (healer-gw.gdw.com [206.28.140.73]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA06965 Fri, 8 Dec 1995 06:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gryphon@localhost) by healer.com (8.6.11/8.6.9.1) id JAA10532; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 09:09:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 09:09:17 -0500 From: Coranth Gryphon Message-Id: <199512081409.JAA10532@healer.com> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, mark@grondar.za Subject: Re: Second appeal for sup, CTM, mail and www servers. Please help! Cc: announce@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-announce@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Says Jordan: > > First the good news: > > We've decided, after much internal debate, to re-open general read access > > We don't have the resources to actually deploy any of these services > > from freefall.freebsd.org. Says Mark Murray: > I suspect, though, that I will need more > remailers to make this work properly. More volunteers? ... > Any chances of doing some kind of FSP mirroring? I have an ISP willing to donate space and cpu-time on a machine (he's sitting on a T1 off MCI backbone). Problem is that I do not have the time to do the setup. If anyone out there can donate the time to get this site set up, then we can get rolling. Email me. -coranth ------------------------------------------+------------------------+ Coranth Gryphon | "Faith Manages." | | - Satai Delenn | Phone: 603-598-3440 Fax: 603-598-0797 +------------------------+ USMail: 3 Hansom Drive, Merrimack, NH 03054 Disclaimer: All these words are yours, except Europa... From owner-freebsd-announce Fri Dec 8 07:10:52 1995 Return-Path: owner-announce Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA09563 for announce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 07:10:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA09543 Fri, 8 Dec 1995 07:10:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA28341; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 07:09:55 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 07:09:55 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199512081509.HAA28341@time.cdrom.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: A call for DNS secondaries to server for .freebsd.org Cc: announce@freebsd.org Sender: owner-announce@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi folks, We're trying to untangle some of the spaghetti that currently comprises the mirror site list as well as start setting up regional www, ftp and sup servers. This is no longer just a good idea, it's getting to be a necessity - connectivity between the U.S. and beyond (not to mention *within* the U.S.) has gone rapidly downhill these last couple of months and packet lossage is no minor problem for people trying to get to our archive site(s). Add to this the fact that our mirror site list is next to impossible to memorize, and if you're at some customer site (or friends) and don't have your handy list with you, you're left with ftp.freebsd.org or nothing. I propose that we deal with all or most of these problems at the same time by creating secondary name servers for each major subdomain. We've already done this for .au (Australia), .br (Brazil), .fr (France) and .it (Italy). We should at least try to get all the countries who currently have servers in MIRROR.SITES represented by their own domains so that we can unify the ftp namespace in the same way that Netscape has - e.g. the Japanese sites (for example) would become ftp.jp.freebsd.org, ftp1.jp.freebsd.org, and so on. This makes them both trivial to remember and to cycle through when you're looking for a server with some slots free in your country of origin. Ideally, someday it will be possible to simply not think about this anymore - wherever you are, {ftp,www,sup}.dom.freebsd.org will work. I'm not sure what to do about the U.S. ftp servers except perhaps to be U.S.-centric about it and just use the freebsd.org domain space directly for U.S. resources. Would people prefer to see ftp.us.freebsd.org? It would seem to be adding unnecessary complexity. In any case, I would be quite happy if the various FTP site admins could discuss this among themselves and delegate one site per domain to serve as the DNS server, reporting the details back to us (admin@freebsd.org) once they're ready for us to add the entries to the freebsd.org domain. We have it within our power to present a more organized global picture than that of the Linux camp, so let's do it! :-) Jordan P.S. Please watch the replies! I have announce@freebsd.org in the envelope and we don't want this thread to go there as well. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-announce Fri Dec 8 09:53:54 1995 Return-Path: owner-announce Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA23826 for announce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 09:53:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23801 Fri, 8 Dec 1995 09:53:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA28215; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 19:53:22 +0200 Received: from localhost (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.2/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA22669; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 19:53:19 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199512081753.TAA22669@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host mark@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Coranth Gryphon cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, mark@grondar.za, announce@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Second appeal for sup, CTM, mail and www servers. Please help! Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 19:53:19 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-announce@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Says Jordan: > > > First the good news: > > > We've decided, after much internal debate, to re-open general read access > > > > We don't have the resources to actually deploy any of these services > > > from freefall.freebsd.org. > > Says Mark Murray: > > I suspect, though, that I will need more > > remailers to make this work properly. More volunteers? > ... > > Any chances of doing some kind of FSP mirroring? > > I have an ISP willing to donate space and cpu-time on a machine (he's > sitting on a T1 off MCI backbone). Problem is that I do not have the > time to do the setup. If anyone out there can donate the time to get this > site set up, then we can get rolling. I have ZERO experience in setting up mail exploders. Here is a volunteer offering his site. What next? Jordan - Who is FreeBSD's expert? Justin? M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grumble.grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-announce Fri Dec 8 10:10:39 1995 Return-Path: owner-announce Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA28314 for announce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from leibniz.math.psu.edu (root@leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28292 Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from hausdorff.math.psu.edu (cross@hausdorff.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.5]) by leibniz.math.psu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA04768; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 13:10:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (cross@localhost) by hausdorff.math.psu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA08632; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 13:10:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199512081810.NAA08632@hausdorff.math.psu.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: Mark Murray cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freebsd.org, announce@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Second appeal for sup, CTM, mail and www servers. Please help! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 Dec 1995 20:39:19 +0200." <199512061839.UAA08521@grumble.grondar.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 13:10:11 -0500 From: Dan Cross Sender: owner-announce@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I have offered to do this on ftp.internat.freebsd.org and volunteer > it again. I have a volunteer with a "well-connected" machine who > can remail this for me. I suspect, though, that I will need more > remailers to make this work properly. More volunteers? (Preferably > representing a country/region). The problem is internat.freebsd.org > does not have the bandwidth to mega-mail the world! I think that I can use one of my mail gateways as a remailer for some of the lists. Let me know... I'd be happy to represent the Penn State region of the world. :-) - Dan C. From owner-freebsd-announce Fri Dec 8 10:15:35 1995 Return-Path: owner-announce Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA28806 for announce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28786 Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:15:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA28254; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:14:55 +0200 Received: from localhost (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.2/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA22792; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:14:54 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199512081814.UAA22792@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host mark@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Dan Cross cc: Mark Murray , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freebsd.org, announce@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Second appeal for sup, CTM, mail and www servers. Please help! Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 20:14:54 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-announce@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I have offered to do this on ftp.internat.freebsd.org and volunteer > > it again. I have a volunteer with a "well-connected" machine who > > can remail this for me. I suspect, though, that I will need more > > remailers to make this work properly. More volunteers? (Preferably > > representing a country/region). The problem is internat.freebsd.org > > does not have the bandwidth to mega-mail the world! > > I think that I can use one of my mail gateways as a remailer for some > of the lists. Let me know... I'd be happy to represent the Penn State > region of the world. :-) Cool! I will most likely only have one or two lists, serving CTM binaries. Thanks a ton! M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grumble.grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-announce Sat Dec 9 13:11:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-announce Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA13685 for announce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 13:11:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13675 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 13:11:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA06206 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 13:10:08 -0800 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 1995 13:10:07 -0800 Message-ID: <6200.818543407@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: sup server information - whoa, stop everbody! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----- =_aaaaaaaaaa" To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-announce@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: sup server information - whoa, stop everbody! Date: Sat, 09 Dec 1995 13:10:07 -0800 Message-ID: <6200.818543407@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" It appears that I've been spreading a good deal of erroneous information in my little sup-server-kit.tar.gz file on freefall, and I've moved it to sup-server-kit.tar.gz.BROKEN for now. Once Justin updates it, I expect he'll move it back. Basically, things in ~sup have changed rather dramatically over the last few months and I clearly haven't been keeping up with the changes, nor have the docs I've been referring to in ~ftp/pub/sup (on freefall) been kept up to date, as would also appear to be the case in the Handbook. At this point I'm going to admit defeat and refer everyone to the sup meister (appointed by his own hand :-), Justin Gibbs. Please talk to Justin about sup related matters if you're one of the folks who have volunteered to be a sup mirror for the -stable, -current or CVS bits. I clearly need to educate myself about the current state-of-the-art in our sup collections before I can presume to guide other folks through the process. I've also asked Justin to wield a large broom in ~sup to clean out all the old dreck in there since it's currently a very confusing pastiche of old and new collections, and frankly I don't really even know where old stops and new starts anymore. If you're using old sup files, you should probably expect them to break in the next 24 hours or so (Justin will probably send out his own announcement). I do believe you've been warned about the impending changes, so don't come crying to us when they break! :) Again, I'm sorry for the confusion I caused and will now bow gracefully out (as well as I can with egg all over my face, anyway) of the sup server education business. Someone should probably also update the handbook and the information files in ~ftp/pub/sup on freefall. Thanks! Jordan ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa-- From owner-freebsd-announce Sat Dec 9 16:42:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-announce Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA03108 for announce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 16:42:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from connet80.rain.com (connet80.rain.com [204.119.8.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA03085 Sat, 9 Dec 1995 16:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from meljr@localhost) by connet80.rain.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA06176; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 16:47:41 GMT Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 16:47:41 GMT From: "Mel Lester Jr." Message-Id: <199512091647.QAA06176@connet80.rain.com> To: announce@FreeBSD.org, bugs@freebsd.netcom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Second appeal for sup, CTM, mail and www servers. Please help! (fwd) Sender: owner-announce@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan very diplomatically pointed out, my 56K frame relay connection does not have sufficient bandwith to be useful, but I can chip in a few bucks also. Where do I send the check? From owner-freebsd-announce Sat Dec 9 18:53:45 1995 Return-Path: owner-announce Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA21131 for announce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 18:53:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from middle-earth.hip.berkeley.edu (middle-earth.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.119.183]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA21106 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 18:53:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by middle-earth.hip.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA12026 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 18:53:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199512100253.SAA12026@middle-earth.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: middle-earth.hip.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: announce@FreeBSD.org Subject: Old SUP collections have been removed. Date: Sat, 09 Dec 1995 18:53:30 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-announce@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As was announced many months ago, the old src sup collections (base, bin, usr.bin, etc) have been replaced. Updated supfiles using the new collections (all starting with a "src-" prefix) and a script to convert to the new scheme (update.collections) can be found at: ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/FreeBSD/sup/* ftp://freefall.FreeBSD.org/pub/sup/* The old collections were removed today, so you must upgrade in order to continue SUP'ing. __ Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD - Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-announce Sat Dec 9 22:03:13 1995 Return-Path: owner-announce Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA00459 for announce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 22:03:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA00330 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 22:02:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA01858 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 20:04:52 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA07377 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 20:04:06 -0800 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 1995 20:04:05 -0800 Message-ID: <7371.818568245@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: ftp://freefall.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/sup-server-kit.tar.gz updated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----- =_aaaaaaaaaa" Apparently-To: Sender: owner-announce@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: ftp://freefall.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/sup-server-kit.tar.gz updated Date: Sat, 09 Dec 1995 20:04:05 -0800 Message-ID: <7371.818568245@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Following Justin's cleanup of the sup collection files, I've updated the `sup server kit' on freefall. If you're interested in being a sup mirror, please grab these files and check the instructions. We've already had a couple of people manage to navigate their way through the process, so it can't be too difficult! :-) Also please note that since we haven't had 6 official mirrors come on line yet, we're still doing CVS repository access by permission to limit the load on freefall. If you've got this stuff ready to go on your machine, let me know and I'll add it to the permissions list. At some point, the permissions list will be collapsed to include only servers and core team members in order to limit the load on freefall. If you've already set up a sup server in the U.S. then let us know and we'll also add a DNS entry for it. The eventual goal is to have sup.freebsd.org .. supn.freebsd.org where `n' is the total number of available sup servers. If you set one up in a non-U.S. location and don't have a .freebsd.org DNS server yet, let us know too and we'll try to do something about it. Thanks! Jordan ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa--