From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 19 00:50:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA19388 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:50:53 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA19380 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:50:50 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA02841 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:50:46 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA22995 for chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:50:46 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA29238 for chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:23:43 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511190823.JAA29238@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/share/zoneinfo Makefile To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:23:43 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Peter Wemm" at Nov 19, 95 07:15:38 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 963 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Peter Wemm wrote: > > > Are you /sure/ your /dev/null was correct? > Perhaps somebody had over-filled it and the excess bits were leaking out, > upsetting zic? Perhaps the real bug is in 'make world' that's causing > too much to go into /dev/null too quickly for the kernel to drain it? > > :-) :-) That's quite possible. An easy way to find about a /dev/null congestion could be to measure its throughput every now and then. Mine doesn't seem too bad, it shuffles 33 MB/s: j@uriah 397% dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1m count=100 100+0 records in 100+0 records out 104857600 bytes transferred in 3 secs (34952533 bytes/sec) Does anybody know what happens to the data bits crap inside /dev/null? Are they simply burnt? Or are they melted down and converted to null bytes for /dev/zero? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 19 00:50:59 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA19418 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:50:59 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA19398 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:50:54 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA02855 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:50:51 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA23000 for FreeBSD-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:50:51 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA29332 for FreeBSD-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:35:08 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511190835.JAA29332@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Gcc-2.7.1 To: FreeBSD-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:35:08 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199511180940.KAA02789@keltia.freenix.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Nov 18, 95 10:40:04 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 462 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Ollivier Robert wrote: > The following new targets are supported: > > 2.9 BSD on PDP-11 :-) > Linux on m68k > HP/UX version 10 on HP PA RISC (treated like version 9) It's actually already supported in 2.7.0. I've built it two weeks ago. > DEC Alpha running Windows NT -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 19 05:46:49 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id FAA02258 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 05:46:49 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA02244 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 05:46:38 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id OAA17980 ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:46:30 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id OAA14381 ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:46:30 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.1/keltia-uucp-2.6) id OAA01301; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:33:06 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199511191333.OAA01301@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Gcc-2.7.1 To: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:33:05 +0100 (MET) Cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at Nov 18, 95 09:54:18 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Chuck Robey said: > I guess I'm more interested in the bugfixes. As I remember, there was > one class of bug that was a major deciding factor in not moving to > gcc-2.7.0, but I don't recall what it was (I'm pretty nearly useless at > machine language, or following compiler output by reading it). I don't recall either but I know that C++ was broken (try running groff compiled with 2.7.0 !). There were register allocation bugs too I think. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #2: Sun Nov 19 01:34:03 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 19 06:53:15 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA05261 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 06:53:15 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA05246 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 06:53:10 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id PAA18553 ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:53:02 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id PAA14491 ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:53:01 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.1/keltia-uucp-2.6) id PAA01508; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:33:00 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199511191433.PAA01508@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Gcc-2.7.1 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:33:00 +0100 (MET) Cc: FreeBSD-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511190835.JAA29332@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Nov 19, 95 09:35:08 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1345 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that J Wunsch said: > > 2.9 BSD on PDP-11 > :-) I was also surprised by this :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #2: Sun Nov 19 01:34:03 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 19 07:55:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA08137 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 07:55:05 -0800 Received: from bacchus.eng.umd.edu (bacchus.eng.umd.edu [129.2.94.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA08132 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 07:55:01 -0800 Received: from mocha.eng.umd.edu (mocha.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.16]) by bacchus.eng.umd.edu (8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id KAA19493; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (chuckr@localhost) by mocha.eng.umd.edu (8.7/8.6.4) id KAA01140; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:54:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:54:57 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@mocha.eng.umd.edu To: Ollivier Robert cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Gcc-2.7.1 In-Reply-To: <199511191333.OAA01301@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 Nov 1995, Ollivier Robert wrote: > It seems that Chuck Robey said: > > I guess I'm more interested in the bugfixes. As I remember, there was > > one class of bug that was a major deciding factor in not moving to > > gcc-2.7.0, but I don't recall what it was (I'm pretty nearly useless at > > machine language, or following compiler output by reading it). > > I don't recall either but I know that C++ was broken (try running groff > compiled with 2.7.0 !). There were register allocation bugs too I think. I'm pretty sure it was a register allocation type of bug. Ah, well, maybe I'd better wait a month and see what the consensus is on 2.7.1, by those with the time to really beat it to death. Thanks. > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net > FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #2: Sun Nov 19 01:34:03 MET 1995 > ============================================================================ Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu -- I run FreeBSD on n3lxx and Journey2 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Dilbert Zone is Dilbert's new WWW home! The area features never-before-seen original sketches of Dilbert, a photo tour of Scott Adams' studio, Dilbert Trivia and memorabilia, high school photos and much more!: From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 19 08:19:16 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA08942 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:19:16 -0800 Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA08937 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:19:13 -0800 Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA16061; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:21:25 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:21:25 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199511191621.JAA16061@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Ollivier Robert Cc: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey), FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Gcc-2.7.1 In-Reply-To: <199511191333.OAA01301@keltia.freenix.fr> References: <199511191333.OAA01301@keltia.freenix.fr> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ 2.7.1 bug-fixes ] > I don't recall either but I know that C++ was broken (try running groff > compiled with 2.7.0 !). Nope. Groff is broken with regards to newer c++ releases because it relies on an older revision of the standard. You can compile groff by telling it to use the older standard with a flag. It has to do with: { for (int i=0; i++; i < 10) printf("%d ", i); printf("%d\n", i); In the older standard, 'i' was in scope in the final printf, but the newer standard says that 'i' is only in scope within the for loop. Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 20 08:07:06 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA15490 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:07:06 -0800 Received: from ncd.com (firewall-user@welch.ncd.com [192.43.160.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA15475 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:06:36 -0800 Received: by ncd.com; id IAA19305; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:08:44 -0800 Received: from z-code.z-code.com(192.82.56.21) by welch.ncd.com via smap (g3.0.1) id xma019300; Mon, 20 Nov 95 08:08:26 -0800 Received: from zolaris.z-code.com (zolaris.z-code.com [192.82.56.41]) by z-code.z-code.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA15260 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:05:02 -0800 Received: by zolaris.z-code.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23955; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:02:39 -0800 From: "Ulf Zimmerman" Message-Id: <9511200802.ZM23953@zolaris.z-code.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:02:38 -0800 In-Reply-To: Nate Williams "Jordan in new James Bond movie" (Nov 18, 12:01pm) References: <199511181901.MAA14416@rocky.sri.MT.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Jordan in new James Bond movie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Nov 18, 12:01pm, Nate Williams wrote: > Subject: Jordan in new James Bond movie > I was suprised to see Jordan playing the role of the evil 'super-hacker' > in the recent James Bond movie. (A good flick, check it out). Either > that or it's Jordan twin-brother Boris. > > In any case, if anyone hasn't yet met Jordan, the character in the movie > looks and acts alot like him. :) > > > Nate >-- End of excerpt from Nate Williams *rotfl* I have seen it. :) Ulf. -- Ulf Zimmermann, NCD Software, 101 Rowland Way, Suite 300, Novato, CA 94945 phone: 415-899-7941, email: ulf@z-code.ncd.com, phone-home: 510-865-0204 From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 20 11:14:12 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA29068 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:14:12 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA29063 ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:14:09 -0800 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15541(5)>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:13:22 PST Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177478>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:13:11 -0800 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: Nate Williams cc: chat@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Jordan in new James Bond movie In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Nov 1995 11:01:47 PST." <199511181901.MAA14416@rocky.sri.MT.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:12:59 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95Nov20.111311pst.177478@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hmm, I didn't realize that Jordan went around saying "I am inVINCible!"... Can we get an audio clip, Jordan? Might be a good thing to put on the web site! Bill From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 20 11:38:03 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA00468 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:38:03 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA00459 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:37:55 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id UAA11478 ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:37:38 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id UAA18340 ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:37:31 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.1/keltia-uucp-2.6) id TAA01580; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:13:07 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199511201813.TAA01580@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Gcc-2.7.1 To: nate@rocky.sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:13:06 +0100 (MET) Cc: chuckr@glue.umd.edu, FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511191621.JAA16061@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Nov 19, 95 09:21:25 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1354 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Nate Williams said: > Nope. Groff is broken with regards to newer c++ releases because it > relies on an older revision of the standard. You can compile groff by > telling it to use the older standard with a flag. Except that when I compiled groff with the flag, it started to core dump (Sun Sparc under SunOS 4.1.4)... Anyway, I've reverted to 2.6.3 for the moment. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Nov 6 21:08:06 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 20 11:41:06 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA00785 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:41:06 -0800 Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA00780 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:41:01 -0800 Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA22329; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:43:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:43:09 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199511201943.MAA22329@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Ollivier Robert Cc: nate@rocky.sri.MT.net (Nate Williams), chuckr@glue.umd.edu, FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Gcc-2.7.1 In-Reply-To: <199511201813.TAA01580@keltia.freenix.fr> References: <199511191621.JAA16061@rocky.sri.MT.net> <199511201813.TAA01580@keltia.freenix.fr> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Nope. Groff is broken with regards to newer c++ releases because it > > relies on an older revision of the standard. You can compile groff by > > telling it to use the older standard with a flag. > > Except that when I compiled groff with the flag, it started to core dump > (Sun Sparc under SunOS 4.1.4)... Anyway, I've reverted to 2.6.3 for the > moment. I saw that as well, but the fix for that was something trivial. It was so long ago I don't remember anymore, but it wasn't too hard to find. (I was using SunOS 4.1.3_U1 if it makes any difference) Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 20 11:45:54 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA01001 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:45:54 -0800 Received: from chemserv.umd.edu (chemserv.umd.edu [129.2.64.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA00988 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:45:51 -0800 Received: from latte.eng.umd.edu (latte.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.15]) by chemserv.umd.edu (8.7.1/8.7) with ESMTP id OAA16526; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (chuckr@localhost) by latte.eng.umd.edu (8.7/8.6.4) id OAA10951; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:44:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:44:25 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@latte.eng.umd.edu To: Ollivier Robert cc: Nate Williams , FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Gcc-2.7.1 In-Reply-To: <199511201813.TAA01580@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Ollivier Robert wrote: > It seems that Nate Williams said: > > Nope. Groff is broken with regards to newer c++ releases because it > > relies on an older revision of the standard. You can compile groff by > > telling it to use the older standard with a flag. > > Except that when I compiled groff with the flag, it started to core dump > (Sun Sparc under SunOS 4.1.4)... Anyway, I've reverted to 2.6.3 for the > moment. I think the important thing about 2.7.1 isn't really the release of it, it's the release of the memory-checked version. I have the announcment here, if anyone else missed it, but I think things like that (and our version of lint, when it becomes real) are milestones, big ones. Tools like that will go a long way towards better code. > > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net > FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Nov 6 21:08:06 MET 1995 > ============================================================================ Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu -- I run FreeBSD on n3lxx and Journey2 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Dilbert Zone is Dilbert's new WWW home! The area features never-before-seen original sketches of Dilbert, a photo tour of Scott Adams' studio, Dilbert Trivia and memorabilia, high school photos and much more!: From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 20 15:08:49 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA20962 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:08:49 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA20956 ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:08:37 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA09221; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:08:01 -0800 To: Bill Fenner cc: Nate Williams , chat@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Jordan in new James Bond movie In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:12:59 PST." <95Nov20.111311pst.177478@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:08:00 -0800 Message-ID: <9219.816908880@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Hmm, I didn't realize that Jordan went around saying "I am inVINCible!"... > > Can we get an audio clip, Jordan? Might be a good thing to put on the web > site! Sorry, but you know how it is with ancillary merchandizing contracts. The above line is actually "I am inVINCible(tm)" (Albert R. Broccoli productions) and I'm forbidden to utter it in any public context unless the proper license fee has been paid. Since this would be a donation to the project, of sorts, then I'd end up owing royalties to myself and the tax complications would be really annoying. Real conflict of interest problem too. Would you settle for a recorded burp, or something? I can, like, drink a can of Jolt first so that it's authentic. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 20 17:45:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA06322 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:45:30 -0800 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA06314 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:45:25 -0800 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id UAA09851; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:35:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:35:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: New Job. 2.1.0-RELEASE, the last for kryten? To: chat@freebsd.org cc: Jordan K Hubbard Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk i gave notice today to my employers that i will be leaving them Dec. 1st for a new job. kryten.atinc.com will remain in service for an indeterminate amount of time, but i expect that 2.1.0-RELEASE will be its last. Kryten, named for the character from _Red_Dwarf_, will be sorely missed. This little 386dx40 with 16MB was recovered from the trash, motherboard replaced for ~ $140 (two years ago) and has been providing ftp, mail, news and much other yeoman work at A&T for the duration. I will be starting at the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System the following monday, dec 4th. (FreeBSD enters virgin territory!) please use jmb@freebsd.org until i get squared away with xxxx@frb.gov. jmb ps. they will NOT be consulting me about interest rate policy ;^) i will NOT know policy changes until after the official announcements. Jonathan M. Bresler | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 20 20:19:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA22789 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:19:51 -0800 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA22769 ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:19:46 -0800 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:19:46 -0800 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199511210419.UAA22769@freefall.freebsd.org> To: scrappy@hub.org Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint Cc: freebsd-chat Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > which is more a hint/hope > that Jordan will send me email since I don't know who he is Jordan is the Mayor of San Francisco and an avid FreeBSD fan. You can find a picture of him in a recent issue of The Argonaut. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 21 06:53:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA25015 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:53:25 -0800 Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA25009 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:53:22 -0800 Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA08744; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:52:50 -0500 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199511211452.JAA08744@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:52:49 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199511210822.JAA09206@ra.dkuug.dk> from "sos@FreeBSD.ORG" at Nov 21, 95 09:22:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 384 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > In reply to Poul-Henning Kamp who wrote: > > > > > You can't even get your half-inch tape drive working with FreeBSD. > > > Why should we sit back and assume you can get us booting from punch-cards? > > > :-) > > > > > > [ Hey! At least we'd then have a device that we support which Linux doesn't > > > ] > > > DECtape. How about reel-to-reel DECtape.... From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 21 07:17:18 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA26379 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:17:18 -0800 Received: from chrome.jdl.com (chrome.onramp.net [199.1.166.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA26359 ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:17:10 -0800 Received: from localhost.jdl.com (localhost.jdl.com [127.0.0.1]) by chrome.jdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA28331; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:16:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199511211516.JAA28331@chrome.jdl.com> X-Authentication-Warning: chrome.jdl.com: Host localhost.jdl.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Jeffrey Hsu cc: scrappy@hub.org, freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:19:46 PST." <199511210419.UAA22769@freefall.freebsd.org> Reply-To: jdl@chromatic.com Clarity-Index: null Threat-Level: none Software-Engineering-Dead-Seriousness: There's no excuse for unreadable code. Net-thought: If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your Kill file. Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:16:30 -0600 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Apparently, Jeffrey Hsu scribbled: > > which is more a hint/hope > > that Jordan will send me email since I don't know who he is > > Jordan is the Mayor of San Francisco and an avid FreeBSD fan. You > can find a picture of him in a recent issue of The Argonaut. It continues the long-standing tradition of movie stars turned Mayors. Was he in anything else besides Bond? jdl From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 21 09:29:50 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA08186 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:29:50 -0800 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA08172 ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:29:39 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03471; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:29:15 -0800 To: jdl@chromatic.com cc: Jeffrey Hsu , scrappy@hub.org, freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:16:30 CST." <199511211516.JAA28331@chrome.jdl.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:29:15 -0800 Message-ID: <3469.816974955@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Apparently, Jeffrey Hsu scribbled: > > > which is more a hint/hope > > > that Jordan will send me email since I don't know who he is > > > > Jordan is the Mayor of San Francisco and an avid FreeBSD fan. You > > can find a picture of him in a recent issue of The Argonaut. > > It continues the long-standing tradition of movie stars turned Mayors. > Was he in anything else besides Bond? Just some 70's schlock that I'd really rather not talk about. I was still earning my stripes, man! Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 22 16:26:42 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id QAA26604 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:26:42 -0800 Received: from antares.aero.org (antares.aero.org [130.221.192.46]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA26585 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:26:19 -0800 Received: from anpiel.aero.org by antares.aero.org (4.1/AMS-1.0) id AA20434 for freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 95 16:25:38 PST Message-Id: <9511230025.AA20434@antares.aero.org> To: freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adding New Hard Drives: A Major Complaint In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:52:49 PST." <199511211452.JAA08744@shell.monmouth.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:25:36 -0800 From: "Mike O'Brien" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > DECtape. How about reel-to-reel DECtape.... I _love_ reel-to-reel DECtape and always have. I even took the old drives off our PDP-11 and hung them on our VAX-750 when it was delivered. I couldn't figure out how to get the tapes formatted, though, since the timing was via CPU spin loop, and the formatter was in assembler. *sigh* From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 22 20:15:35 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA10956 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 20:15:35 -0800 Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA10950 for freebsd-chat; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 20:15:29 -0800 From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199511230415.UAA10950@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Scanning off pictures To: freebsd-chat Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 20:15:25 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 378 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, Does anyone here have a scanner and be willing to scan a picture of me to add to the gallery? Thanks, GB -- Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | FreeBSD support and service gclarkii@FreeBSD.ORG | mail info@gbdata.com for information FreeBSD FAQ at ftp.FreeBSD.ORG in ~pub/FreeBSD/docs/freebsd-faq.ascii From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 22 23:50:10 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id XAA22300 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:50:10 -0800 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA22278 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:50:01 -0800 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA28260 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 07:49:00 GMT From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199511230749.HAA28260@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Anybody fond of Netscape? To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 07:48:59 +0000 () MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 491 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Dilbert had something to say about it : http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert951114.gif -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] "Who does BSD?" "We do Chucky, we do." [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 23 01:38:24 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA27745 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:38:24 -0800 Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA27740 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:38:19 -0800 Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA00909; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:36:41 +0100 From: Thomas Gellekum Message-Id: <199511230936.KAA00909@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: Anybody fond of Netscape? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:36:40 +0100 (MET) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199511230749.HAA28260@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Nov 23, 95 07:48:59 am Organization: Institut f. Hochfrequenztechnik, RWTH Aachen X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 223 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith wrote: > > Dilbert had something to say about it : > > http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert951114.gif > Also check out alt.sysadmin.recovery. There's a long thread about netscape. tg From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 23 06:56:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA11325 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 06:56:51 -0800 Received: from lisa.rur.com (G338.257.InterLink.NET [199.202.234.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA11320 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 06:56:48 -0800 Received: (from leo@localhost) by lisa.rur.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA23869; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:56:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:56:33 -0500 (EST) From: Leo Papandreou To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Barracuda woes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk My Barracuda just quit on me today taking a large chunk of this month's work with it. Major, heavy-duty sigh. Can someone with a similiar experience tell me how seagate was able to miraculously restore their data. Please. /Leo From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 23 09:43:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA18604 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:43:53 -0800 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA18598 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:43:49 -0800 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id MAA26487; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:32:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:32:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: GoldenEye jkh To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk saw it last night. my james bond has gone the way of the dirty dozen. anyone get a body count ? dirty harry killed fewer people. dont remember any james bond movie that had him personally killing so many. (thunderball, killed hundreds but james kept his hands fairly clean....sargent! shoot that man!) so jordan did will boris get natalya in the next movie ? first james bond movie with diverse sex as well, xenia gets off on hurting people. they didnt even try to temper that, her "noises" while shoot everyone at severnaya. all in all not bad, especially the marines at the end. oh, on site at lake maricibo, puerto rico ? was that james bond or luke skywalker hanging from the tail of the transmitter support structure ? jmb Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG play go. ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life i am moving to a new job. PLEASE USE: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 24 09:50:45 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id JAA09516 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:50:45 -0800 Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net (mail.germany.eu.net [192.76.144.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA09506 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:50:37 -0800 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with UUCP (5.59:10/EUnetD-2.5.2.e) via EUnet id SAA13505; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:50:30 +0100 Received: from ida.interface-business.de (ida.interface-business.de [193.101.57.203]) by innocence.interface-business.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA11677 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:34:28 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by ida.interface-business.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA04584 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:34:28 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199511241734.SAA04584@ida.interface-business.de> Subject: Local network outage To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:34:27 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de X-Phone: +49-351-31809-14 X-Fax: +49-351-3361187 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 534 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, the university where my ISP is connected to will suffer from a power outage from now up until monday morning European time. I will be cut off all mailing lists for this time. (Maybe i could get some backup IP link in order to perform some operations on freefall directly, but this will be an expensive link.) Urgent mails could be sent to joerg_wunsch%uriah.heep.sax.de@interface-business.de -- J"org Wunsch Unix support engineer joerg_wunsch@interface-business.de [private: http://www.sax.de/~joerg/] From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 25 07:01:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id HAA02022 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 07:01:27 -0800 Received: from zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA01911 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 06:58:32 -0800 Received: from [130.83.177.6] (ppp06.stud.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.177.6]) by zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA00210; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 15:57:19 +0100 X-Sender: michael@zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 15:57:08 +0100 To: Leo Papandreou , chat@freebsd.org From: petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de (Michael Beckmann) Subject: Re: Barracuda woes Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >My Barracuda just quit on me today taking a large chunk >of this month's work with it. > >Major, heavy-duty sigh. > >Can someone with a similiar experience tell me how seagate >was able to miraculously restore their data. Please. I heard about companies specialized in this. They take the disks out of the damaged drive (in clean rooms) and place them in a new drive, for example. They can also recover disks from burnt computers etc. I have no addresses, though. Sometimes there are advertisments in "Byte", I believe. And I'm sure, that service is expensive.