From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 28 13:16:12 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA02875 for current-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 13:16:12 -0700 Received: from unlisys.unlisys.NET (unlisys.unlisys.net [194.64.15.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA02868 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 13:16:07 -0700 Received: by unlisys.unlisys.NET from deadline.snafu.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 [@@]) id m0sFokj-0000HfC; Sun, 28 May 95 22:16 MET DST Received: by deadline.snafu.de id m0sFokg-000IzQC; Sun, 28 May 95 22:15 MET DST (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.1) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 28 May 95 22:15 MET DST From: root@deadline.snafu.de (Andreas S. Wetzel) To: uh@grep.cs.fsu.edu Subject: Re: SoundBlaster 16 Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Newsgroups: deadline.lists.freebsd-current References: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! --- In deadline.lists.freebsd-current you write: >I am running the FreeBSD-current(May 25). But I have a problem to >make my SoundBlaster 16 configured correctly by kernel. > --------------- >The hardware setting for the audio interface is as follows, >base I/O address: 220H >Interrupt: 5 >Low DMA channel: 1 >High DMA channel: 6 >So I change two things: >1) In the kernel configuration > # Controls all sound devices > controller snd0 > device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 vector sbintr > ----- >2) /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/sound/sound_config.h >#ifndef SBC_IRQ >#define SBC_IRQ 5 /* IQR7 is the factory default. */ >#endif --- >Then I config and rebuild the kernel. Following is the dmesg for the sb0: > sb0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa > sb0: > --------------------- > Is it different from SoundBlaster 16? You did only configure the normal Soundblaster device! There is an own device (sbxvi0) for ther Soundblaster 16 I am running a Soundblaster 16 on IRQ 10 DMA 1 / 6 with the following setup: controller snd0 device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 10 conflicts drq 1 vector sbintr device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 6 device opl0 at isa? port 0x388 Note that I didn't change anything in /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/sound/sound_config.h Regards, Mickey -- (__) (@@) Andreas S. Wetzel E-mail: mickey@deadline.snafu.de /-------\/ Utrechter Strasse 41 Web: http://deadline.snafu.de/ / | || 13347 Berlin Voice: <+4930> 456 81 68 * ||----|| Germany Fax/Data: <+4930> 455 19 57 ~~ ~~ From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 28 17:12:26 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA07955 for current-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 17:12:26 -0700 Received: from ns.dknet.dk (root@ns.dknet.dk [193.88.44.42]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA07926 ; Sun, 28 May 1995 17:11:46 -0700 Received: from login.dknet.dk by ns.dknet.dk with SMTP id AA16701 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j); Mon, 29 May 1995 02:09:24 +0200 Received: by login.dknet.dk (4.1/SMI-4.1DKnet00) id AA05223; Mon, 29 May 95 02:04:47 +0200 Message-Id: <9505290004.AA05223@login.dknet.dk> Subject: LINUX emulator working (dare I say DOOM here we goooooo) To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 29 May 95 2:04:46 MET DST Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org, phk@ref.tfs.com, sef@kithrup.com From: sos@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: sos@FreeBSD.org X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just finished putting some more hours into our Linux-emulator, and I'm proud to say: GUYS WE CAN PLAY DOOM !!!! 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M42]G]R<&.VRYM%"=L:L:5?O'@]:TXMI1U7$FQ(OG9RC16\H1G66A'NIZ:P>NO$7&V,DLNP;ROH-T^_G$W4RQ!9+_ ; Sun, 28 May 1995 19:56:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199505290256.TAA12708@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA22389; Sun, 28 May 1995 22:56:43 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 22:56:43 -0400 From: Charles Henrich To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: LINUX emulator working (dare I say DOOM here we goooooo) X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #10 (NOV) Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've tried just about everything on my 0412 system, but I get nothing but Bus Errors (core dumped). Which feels like the lkm isnt, any suggestions? -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 28 21:59:29 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA16523 for current-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 21:59:29 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA16510 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 21:59:17 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA28828; Mon, 29 May 1995 14:55:40 +1000 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 14:55:40 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199505290455.OAA28828@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu Subject: Re: LINUX emulator working (dare I say DOOM here we goooooo) Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I've tried just about everything on my 0412 system, but I get nothing but Bus >Errors (core dumped). Which feels like the lkm isnt, any suggestions? Did you use the undcoumented option COMPAT_LINUX? This option isn't even in LINT and causes compiler warnings when used. `linux_syscall' in exception.s is out of date and messes up `intr_nesting_level'. I tried a couple of simple Linux utilities and test programs and found the following: - I have libraries in /lib (as in Linux) and ld.so in /sbin (not quite as in Linux) so there was almost a name clash. Linux's libc.so.4.5.26 worked because its major number is larger than FreeBSD's libc.so.2.1. - Linux OMAGIC shared executables (with text and data together) don't work. - Linux ZMAGIC shared executables seem to work. - FreeBSD's `file' works better than Linux's `file' to tell me what Linux executables are :-). This may be the fault of the Linux installation being old. - some debugging printfs enabled by COMPAT_LINUX were executed. - In an i/o testing program, signal(SIGINT, onsig) returned SIG_ERR. When this error was ignored, select() returned an error. I expected these to work and termios stuff to fail a little later. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 28 23:13:51 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA18292 for current-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:13:51 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr ([132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA18286 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:13:50 -0700 Received: from masi.ibp.fr (root@masi.ibp.fr [132.227.60.23]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id IAA17303 ; Mon, 29 May 1995 08:13:14 +0200 Received: from hebe.ibp.fr (hebe.ibp.fr [132.227.64.34]) by masi.ibp.fr (8.6.11/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id IAA06143 ; Mon, 29 May 1995 08:11:32 +0200 From: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD) Received: by hebe.ibp.fr (8.6.10/jtpda-5.0) id IAA26273 ; Mon, 29 May 1995 08:10:04 +0200 Message-Id: <199505290610.IAA26273@hebe.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: LINUX emulator working (dare I say DOOM here we goooooo) To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 08:10:03 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu In-Reply-To: <199505290455.OAA28828@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at May 29, 95 02:55:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 719 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > - Linux OMAGIC shared executables (with text and data together) don't work. > - Linux ZMAGIC shared executables seem to work. Speaking of binary formats, the Linux community is currently moving towards ELF (the public release of ELF tools and libraries has been made one week ago). There is no ELF based binary distribution yet but I expect some to appear soon. Does the Linux compatibility code in FreeBSD handle the ELF format? > - FreeBSD's `file' works better than Linux's `file' to tell me what Linux > executables are :-). This may be the fault of the Linux installation > being old. Probably. Linux's `file' is the same one as the FreeBSD one, I think. It even contains the same bugs :-) Remy From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 28 23:33:42 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA18719 for current-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:33:42 -0700 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA18710 ; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:33:27 -0700 Received: from grumble.grondar.za (grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA12535; Mon, 29 May 1995 08:33:05 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA18978; Mon, 29 May 1995 08:33:04 +0200 Message-Id: <199505290633.IAA18978@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: current@FreeBSD.org, jkh@FreeBSD.org Subject: DES/eBones code in src/release Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 08:33:04 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi I am trying to mirror the release procedure so I can generate des and ebones tarballs. At the moment I am not having a great deal of luck working out how it all works, as there is a problem I would like to help fix. The problem (also described in misc/453) is that the make release procedure does not generate all tarballs for these export-restricted bits. the following two get genenerated: total 386 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 May 28 13:46 ./ drwxr-xr-x 11 root wheel 512 May 28 13:46 ../ -rw-r--r-- 3 root wheel 144754 May 28 13:02 des.aa -rw-r--r-- 3 root wheel 227877 May 28 13:11 sebones.aa des.aa contains the crypt libraries and some other bits, and sebones contains eBones source. These are the only two generated in the cdrom dist as well. Please give me a pointer as to where to start hacking, 'cos so far I am drawing blanks :-( :-( :-( M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 28 23:42:52 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA18830 for current-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:42:52 -0700 Received: from prosun.first.gmd.de (prosun.first.gmd.de [192.35.150.136]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA18824 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:42:49 -0700 Received: from freebsd.first.gmd.de by prosun.first.gmd.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24932; Mon, 29 May 95 08:42:15 +0200 Received: by freebsd.first.gmd.de (HAA21492); Mon, 29 May 1995 07:45:41 +0200 From: Andreas Schulz Message-Id: <199505290545.HAA21492@freebsd.first.gmd.de> Subject: Re: LINUX emulator working (dare I say DOOM here we goooooo) To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 07:45:40 +0159 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505290256.TAA12708@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Charles Henrich" at May 28, 95 10:56:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 418 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've tried just about everything on my 0412 system, but I get nothing but Bus > Errors (core dumped). Which feels like the lkm isnt, any suggestions? You can check with the "modstat" command if the lkm is loaded. ATS ( ats@first.gmd.de or ats@cs.tu-berlin.de ) Andreas Schulz GMD-FIRST 12489 Berlin-Adlershof Rudower Chaussee 5 Gebaeude 13.10 Tel: +49-30-6392-1856/+49-177-2134745 Germany/Europe From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 28 23:45:42 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA18891 for current-outgoing; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:45:42 -0700 Received: from ns.dknet.dk (root@ns.dknet.dk [193.88.44.42]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA18884 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:45:35 -0700 Received: from login.dknet.dk by ns.dknet.dk with SMTP id AA15400 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for ); Mon, 29 May 1995 08:44:35 +0200 Received: by login.dknet.dk (4.1/SMI-4.1DKnet00) id AA10750; Mon, 29 May 95 08:40:54 +0200 Message-Id: <9505290640.AA10750@login.dknet.dk> Subject: Re: LINUX emulator working (dare I say DOOM here we goooooo) To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Mon, 29 May 95 8:40:54 MET DST Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu In-Reply-To: <199505290455.OAA28828@godzilla.zeta.org.au>; from "Bruce Evans" at May 29, 95 2:55 pm From: sos@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: sos@FreeBSD.org X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Bruce Evans who wrote: > > >I've tried just about everything on my 0412 system, but I get nothing but Bus > >Errors (core dumped). Which feels like the lkm isnt, any suggestions? > > Did you use the undcoumented option COMPAT_LINUX? This option isn't even > in LINT and causes compiler warnings when used. `linux_syscall' in > exception.s is out of date and messes up `intr_nesting_level'. Errm, Yes I forgot to tell, you need a kernel with options options COMPAT_LINUX options SYSVSHM options SYSVMSG options SYSVSEM > I tried a couple of simple Linux utilities and test programs and found > the following: > > - I have libraries in /lib (as in Linux) and ld.so in /sbin (not quite > as in Linux) so there was almost a name clash. Linux's libc.so.4.5.26 > worked because its major number is larger than FreeBSD's libc.so.2.1. You should put you linux ld.so + libs in /lib as of yet, this is about to change though.. > - Linux OMAGIC shared executables (with text and data together) don't work. There is no support for this yet (if ever) > - Linux ZMAGIC shared executables seem to work. > - FreeBSD's `file' works better than Linux's `file' to tell me what Linux ZMAGIC & QMAGIC executables work. > executables are :-). This may be the fault of the Linux installation > being old. > - some debugging printfs enabled by COMPAT_LINUX were executed. > - In an i/o testing program, signal(SIGINT, onsig) returned SIG_ERR. Hmm, from the kernel ?? I think not, but the lkm has some.. > When this error was ignored, select() returned an error. I expected > these to work and termios stuff to fail a little later. Signals are not dealt with proberly yet, we need some changes to our signal system in order to do that.. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@login.dknet.dk) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 29 00:33:47 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA19526 for current-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 00:33:47 -0700 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA19512 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 00:33:26 -0700 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id NAA07309; Mon, 29 May 1995 13:26:09 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199505290826.NAA07309@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: ep and ie drivers conflict (?) To: nnd@gw.itfs.nsk.su (Nickolay N. Dudorov) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 13:26:08 +0500 (GMT+0500) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505271556.WAA07952@gw.itfs.nsk.su> from "Nickolay N. Dudorov" at May 27, 95 10:56:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1023 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Yesterday I try to boot so called BOOTMFS > kernel (this is a GENERIC kernel with MFS_ROOT from > the current boot_floppy) on a computer with 3C509 card. > > After probing (succesfully) all the devices the system says > "changing root to fd0c" and hangs. Booting with '-c' and > disabling various (absent in my computer) devices I found > that this kernel succesfully boots (and starts 'sysinstall') > if I disable 'ie0' device. > > It seems to me that problem is in 3COM's 'ELINK_ID_PORT' > or 'EP_ID_PORT' (0x100) which is used in both ep and ie > drivers. (Is it right that probe order of devices follows > their order in config file ?). The order of probing of ID_PORT may be any (as it looks to me). IMHO the problem is that the ie driver doesn't do any checks for manufacturer ID nor product ID and erroneuosly identifies 3c509 card as its (but i'm not shure about this diagnosys). Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 29 05:04:32 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA26333 for current-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 05:04:32 -0700 Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (peter@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA26325 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 05:04:27 -0700 Received: (from peter@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12/DIALix) id UAA02864; Mon, 29 May 1995 20:04:22 +0800 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 20:04:21 +0800 (WST) From: Peter Wemm To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Hmm. Linux compat bites back... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just recompiled with "options COMPAT_LINIX" and tried to run xdoom.. I got a "panic: ufs_access: not_locked", after a message about executing not on a page boundary. (1024, not 4096) -Peter From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 29 08:17:33 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA00410 for current-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 08:17:33 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA00401 ; Mon, 29 May 1995 08:17:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199505291517.IAA00401@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Serge A. Babkin" cc: nnd@gw.itfs.nsk.su (Nickolay N. Dudorov), current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ep and ie drivers conflict (?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 29 May 95 13:26:08 +0500." <199505290826.NAA07309@hq.icb.chel.su> Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 08:17:29 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >> Yesterday I try to boot so called BOOTMFS >> kernel (this is a GENERIC kernel with MFS_ROOT from >> the current boot_floppy) on a computer with 3C509 card. >> >> After probing (succesfully) all the devices the system says >> "changing root to fd0c" and hangs. Booting with '-c' and >> disabling various (absent in my computer) devices I found >> that this kernel succesfully boots (and starts 'sysinstall') >> if I disable 'ie0' device. >> >> It seems to me that problem is in 3COM's 'ELINK_ID_PORT' >> or 'EP_ID_PORT' (0x100) which is used in both ep and ie >> drivers. (Is it right that probe order of devices follows >> their order in config file ?). > >The order of probing of ID_PORT may be any (as it looks to me). >IMHO the problem is that the ie driver doesn't do any checks for >manufacturer ID nor product ID and erroneuosly identifies 3c509 >card as its (but i'm not shure about this diagnosys). > > > Serge Babkin > >! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) >! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" >! Chelyabinsk, Russia It doesn't identify the 3c509 as an ie device, it just spams the 3c509 and I guess the ep driver does not do enough to resurect it. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 29 11:04:36 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA03695 for current-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:04:36 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA03689 ; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:04:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199505291804.LAA03689@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA03961; Mon, 29 May 1995 14:04:32 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Re: LINUX emulator working (dare I say DOOM here we goooooo) To: sos@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 14:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu In-Reply-To: <9505290640.AA10750@login.dknet.dk> from "sos@FreeBSD.org" at May 29, 95 08:40:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 496 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Errm, Yes I forgot to tell, you need a kernel with options > > options COMPAT_LINUX > options SYSVSHM > options SYSVMSG > options SYSVSEM Okay, after doing that and running xdoom I get: May 29 07:59:12 phoenix /kernel: imgact: Non page aligned binary 1024 May 29 07:59:12 phoenix /kernel: imgact: Non page aligned binary 1024 and a kernel panic. Suggestions? Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 29 11:47:19 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA04681 for current-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:47:19 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA04675 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:47:18 -0700 Received: from ns.dknet.dk (ns.dknet.dk [193.88.44.42]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id LAA10313 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 11:39:42 -0700 Received: from login.dknet.dk by ns.dknet.dk with SMTP id AA25718 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for ); Mon, 29 May 1995 20:24:47 +0200 Received: by login.dknet.dk (4.1/SMI-4.1DKnet00) id AA02096; Mon, 29 May 95 20:24:43 +0200 Message-Id: <9505291824.AA02096@login.dknet.dk> Subject: New DOOM^H^H^H^HLINUX emulator available !! To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 29 May 95 20:24:42 MET DST From: sos@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: sos@FreeBSD.org X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Due to popular demand I've uploaded a new version of the FreeBSD DOOM^H^H^H^HLINUX emulator.. It is now much more stable than the one I posted on -current yesterday, I've played & let it demo for over an hour now.. Remember this is only the emulation nessesary to run DOOM, more is needed before vi have a generic Linux emulator. Its located at: login.dknet.dk in ~ftp/pub/sos/Linux-emu.tgz It is a complete tarfile with libs and the lkm module, extract it in /. After that you just type "linux" to load the emulator, and you are ready to run Xdoom ! Remember to recompile a -current kernel with the following options: options COMPAT_LINUX options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG Also get the linux-doom-1.8.tar.gz from: wcarchive.cdrom.com/pub/doom/idstuff/LINUX Maybe we could sneak this into an experimental area on the 2.0.5 CDROM... Happy Dooming :-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@login.dknet.dk) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 29 12:14:26 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA05052 for current-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 12:14:26 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA05046 ; Mon, 29 May 1995 12:14:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199505291914.MAA05046@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA08244; Mon, 29 May 1995 15:14:22 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Re: LINUX emulator working (dare I say DOOM here we goooooo) To: sos@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 15:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu In-Reply-To: <9505290640.AA10750@login.dknet.dk> from "sos@FreeBSD.org" at May 29, 95 08:40:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 342 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Errm, Yes I forgot to tell, you need a kernel with options > > options COMPAT_LINUX > options SYSVSHM > options SYSVMSG > options SYSVSEM Everytthing I do results in a panic: ufs not locked Any ideas? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 29 19:03:03 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA01340 for current-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 19:03:03 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA07756 ; Mon, 29 May 1995 14:05:11 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA00467 ; Mon, 29 May 1995 23:05:07 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id XAA08745 ; Mon, 29 May 1995 23:05:07 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199505292105.XAA08745@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: New DOOM^H^H^H^HLINUX emulator available !! To: sos@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 23:05:06 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9505291824.AA02096@login.dknet.dk> from "sos@FreeBSD.org" at May 29, 95 08:24:42 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 351 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Its located at: login.dknet.dk in ~ftp/pub/sos/Linux-emu.tgz ...and you need to change the rights on the directory : drwx--S--- 3 2160 user 512 May 29 21:02 sos It is frustrating :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 29 19:06:01 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA01428 for current-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 19:06:01 -0700 Received: from ns.dknet.dk (ns.dknet.dk [193.88.44.42]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA07610 ; Mon, 29 May 1995 14:00:39 -0700 Received: from login.dknet.dk by ns.dknet.dk with SMTP id AA12055 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j); Mon, 29 May 1995 22:55:19 +0200 Received: by login.dknet.dk (4.1/SMI-4.1DKnet00) id AA10220; Mon, 29 May 95 22:50:41 +0200 Message-Id: <9505292050.AA10220@login.dknet.dk> Subject: Re: LINUX emulator working (dare I say DOOM here we goooooo) To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Mon, 29 May 95 22:50:41 MET DST Cc: sos@FreeBSD.org, bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu In-Reply-To: <199505291914.MAA05046@freefall.cdrom.com>; from "Charles Henrich" at May 29, 95 3:14 pm From: sos@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: sos@FreeBSD.org X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Charles Henrich who wrote: > > > Errm, Yes I forgot to tell, you need a kernel with options > > > > options COMPAT_LINUX > > options SYSVSHM > > options SYSVMSG > > options SYSVSEM > > Everytthing I do results in a panic: ufs not locked > > Any ideas? Try the new emulator I've just uploaded to: login.dknet.dk:~ftp/pub/sos/Linux-emu.tgz It contains libs and everything (doom you have to get yourself) It runs like a charm under current, in fact it runs in another window as I type this.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org | sos@login.dknet.dk) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 29 19:07:37 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA01502 for current-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 19:07:37 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA06562 ; Mon, 29 May 1995 13:11:51 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA01527; Mon, 29 May 1995 13:11:56 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505292011.NAA01527@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: cvs commit: CVSROOT avail To: rgrimes@freefall.cdrom.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 13:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Cc: CVS-commiters@freefall.cdrom.com, FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD current) In-Reply-To: <199505291929.MAA05407@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at May 29, 95 12:29:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1118 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > rgrimes 95/05/29 12:29:26 > > Modified: . avail > Log: > WE ARE NOW IN CODE LOCK OUT, ABSOLUTELY NO COMMITS WHILE I PERFORM > CVS TAGGING OPERATIONS. CVS commit access has been disabled!!! This is to let you all know that major tag operations are about to occur. I am shutting down sup as this will be a staged process and those supping the cvs bits will end up getting totally spammed if I allowed it to happen while I am doing this work (ie, the repository is also going to have munge work done to it that has been saved for this day and may very well disappear for periods of time while I roll the history files and log files over.. etc etc.. I have made backups on both my box and on freefall so if anything goes wrong an immediate back out can occur. I don't want to read email about sup being down on freefall all day today, I have done that on purpose!! The bits are not changing so there is no need for you to sup :-). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 29 21:14:56 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07378 for current-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 21:14:56 -0700 Received: from emerald.oz.net (emerald.oz.net [198.68.184.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA07370 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 21:14:53 -0700 Received: from wsantee.oz.net by emerald.oz.net via SMTP (931110.SGI/930416.SGI) for freebsd-current@freebsd.org id AA25365; Mon, 29 May 95 21:12:43 -0700 Received: (from wsantee@localhost) by wsantee.oz.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA00355 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 May 1995 21:11:35 -0700 From: Wes Santee Message-Id: <199505300411.VAA00355@wsantee.oz.net> Subject: SUP server down? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 21:11:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 289 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Did I miss something? Looks like the SUP server has been down pretty much all day. If this was a 'scheduled outage' then I guess everybody gets to laugh at me and I'll go back and read all my e-mail. If not, anybody know what the problem is? Cheers, -Wes Santee wsantee@wsantee.oz.net From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 29 21:21:03 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07644 for current-outgoing; Mon, 29 May 1995 21:21:03 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA07636 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 21:21:01 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA02429; Mon, 29 May 1995 21:20:57 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505300420.VAA02429@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: SUP server down? To: wsantee@wsantee.oz.net (Wes Santee) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 21:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505300411.VAA00355@wsantee.oz.net> from "Wes Santee" at May 29, 95 09:11:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 504 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Did I miss something? Looks like the SUP server has been down pretty > much all day. If this was a 'scheduled outage' then I guess everybody > gets to laugh at me and I'll go back and read all my e-mail. If not, > anybody know what the problem is? You missed something, have you been reading your -current and -commit mailling lists???? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 00:42:24 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA26119 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 00:42:24 -0700 Received: from lirmm.lirmm.fr (lirmm.lirmm.fr [193.49.104.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA26113 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 00:42:19 -0700 Received: from lirmm.fr (baobab.lirmm.fr [193.49.106.14]) by lirmm.lirmm.fr (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA14223 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:41:41 +0200 Message-Id: <199505300741.JAA14223@lirmm.lirmm.fr> To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: index in usr.bin/vi/USD.doc/vi.ref Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 09:41:38 +0200 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, after removing the contents of /usr/obj, make world -DCLOBBER then a cvs update I got : cvs update: Updating usr.bin/vi/USD.doc/vi.man cvs update: Updating usr.bin/vi/USD.doc/vi.ref ? usr.bin/vi/USD.doc/vi.ref/index cvs update: Updating usr.bin/vi/USD.doc/vitut cvs update: Updating usr.bin/vi/common This file was not in the source tree before, I always search for that kind of ``? file'' after daily update. I think there is a problem in one of the two Makefiles: /usr/src/usr.bin/vi/USD.doc/vi.ref/Makefile /usr/src/share/doc/usd/13.viref/Makefile -------- -------- Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr LIRMM, 161 rue Ada, 34392 Montpellier cedex 5 -- France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 00:51:32 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA26180 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 00:51:32 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA26174 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 00:51:27 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA02932; Tue, 30 May 1995 00:50:33 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505300750.AAA02932@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: index in usr.bin/vi/USD.doc/vi.ref To: charnier@lirmm.fr (Philippe Charnier) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 00:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505300741.JAA14223@lirmm.lirmm.fr> from "Philippe Charnier" at May 30, 95 09:41:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 840 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hello, > > after removing the contents of /usr/obj, make world -DCLOBBER then a > cvs update I got : > > cvs update: Updating usr.bin/vi/USD.doc/vi.man > cvs update: Updating usr.bin/vi/USD.doc/vi.ref > ? usr.bin/vi/USD.doc/vi.ref/index > cvs update: Updating usr.bin/vi/USD.doc/vitut > cvs update: Updating usr.bin/vi/common > > This file was not in the source tree before, I always search for > that kind of ``? file'' after daily update. > > I think there is a problem in one of the two Makefiles: > > /usr/src/usr.bin/vi/USD.doc/vi.ref/Makefile > /usr/src/share/doc/usd/13.viref/Makefile Long standing problem, not easy to fix, will be fixed some time in the future. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 02:08:19 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA12433 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 02:08:19 -0700 Received: from mpp.com (dialup-5-159.gw.umn.edu [128.101.96.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA12411 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 02:08:14 -0700 Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id EAA18637; Tue, 30 May 1995 04:03:59 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199505300903.EAA18637@mpp.com> Subject: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 04:03:59 -0500 (CDT) Cc: wsantee@wsantee.oz.net, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505300420.VAA02429@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at May 29, 95 09:20:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1336 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Did I miss something? Looks like the SUP server has been down pretty > > much all day. If this was a 'scheduled outage' then I guess everybody > > gets to laugh at me and I'll go back and read all my e-mail. If not, > > anybody know what the problem is? > > You missed something, have you been reading your -current and -commit > mailling lists???? I've been noticing very long delays lately between the time a message is posted to any of the freebsd-* lists and the time it makes it back to my mail machine. Checking the headers on your message about sup being disabled shows a delay of 8 hours between the time you sent the message and the time it got into my mailbox (and that machine is up 24 hours a day, and looking through my mail today shows that it has been receiving mail regularly all day), so this guy could very well have read all his mail and still not seen anything. I regularly receive responses to my messages hours before my original message makes it back to me. Is it really taking that long to process everyone on the mailing list during the first pass over the message, or is sendmail giving up and queueing the message for a few hours before finishing the first pass over the message? -- Mike Pritchard pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu "Go that way. Really fast. If something gets in your way, turn" From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 02:16:45 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA13387 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 02:16:45 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA13378 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 02:16:41 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA03249; Tue, 30 May 1995 02:15:24 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505300915.CAA03249@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) To: pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Mike Pritchard) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 02:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: wsantee@wsantee.oz.net, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505300903.EAA18637@mpp.com> from "Mike Pritchard" at May 30, 95 04:03:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2738 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > Did I miss something? Looks like the SUP server has been down pretty > > > much all day. If this was a 'scheduled outage' then I guess everybody > > > gets to laugh at me and I'll go back and read all my e-mail. If not, > > > anybody know what the problem is? > > > > You missed something, have you been reading your -current and -commit > > mailling lists???? > > I've been noticing very long delays lately between the time a message > is posted to any of the freebsd-* lists and the time it makes it back > to my mail machine. Checking the headers on your message about sup > being disabled shows a delay of 8 hours between the time you sent > the message and the time it got into my mailbox (and that machine is up > 24 hours a day, and looking through my mail today shows that it has > been receiving mail regularly all day), so this guy could very well have > read all his mail and still not seen anything. Today was a bad day for Majordomo, it got screwed up with 3 zombie processes that stopped all Majordomo based mail up for about 2 or 3 hours until we could find some one on site at WC to do a reboot. This has happened a few times in the past, and may explain *some* of the delays, but not all of them. > > I regularly receive responses to my messages hours before my original > message makes it back to me. Is it really taking that long to process > everyone on the mailing list during the first pass over the message, > or is sendmail giving up and queueing the message for a few hours > before finishing the first pass over the message? It probably makes it down the who list on the first pass, skipping those who have DNS, host or other timeout's and then defers the remaining addresses. Realize Freefall is process one heck of a pile of mail these days, over 100K messages a day often. Right now it looks low: freefall:cvswork {111} mailstats Statistics from Sat May 27 04:19:52 1995 M msgsfr bytes_from msgsto bytes_to Mailer 0 0 0K 1026 2285K prog 1 0 0K 394 875K *file* 3 2703 6324K 3653 7964K local 4 1227 3585K 263175 531621K smtp ======================================== T 3930 9909K 268248 542745K freefall:cvswork {112} I see turn around times on my messages well under 10 minutes in most cases, if your seeing 8 hours you probably have a DNS or route problem that is causing your mail to get defered :-(. That and I am at the top of the lists, and your probably quite far down on them depending on when you joined the list. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 02:53:02 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA18392 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 02:53:02 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA18371 for current; Tue, 30 May 1995 02:53:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 02:53:00 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199505300953.CAA18371@freefall.cdrom.com> To: current Subject: Re: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ooh, ooh. A chance to trumpet the Usenet theme for people who still don't get it. To stretch the truth a little, it is a cruel hoax that (very large) mailing lists are faster than Usenet. Sometimes I see substantial Usenet threads that start and finish in less than 8 hours. Even if it isn't true at this very moment in time, certainly as the FreeBSD base grows even more, the mailing list delay will only get longer. Mailing lists just aren't scalable to Usenet proportions. This is just one of the reasons I'm in favor of moving to newsgroups (with mailing list gateways for people who still want lots of mail, of course). From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 03:08:59 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA21441 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 03:08:59 -0700 Received: from vinkku.hut.fi (vode@vinkku.hut.fi [130.233.245.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA21426 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 03:08:51 -0700 Received: (from vode@localhost) by vinkku.hut.fi (8.6.11/8.6.7) id NAA22608; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:07:57 +0300 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 13:07:57 +0300 From: Kai Vorma Message-Id: <199505301007.NAA22608@vinkku.hut.fi> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New DOOM^H^H^H^HLINUX emulator available !! In-Reply-To: <9505291824.AA02096@login.dknet.dk> References: <9505291824.AA02096@login.dknet.dk> Reply-To: Kai.Vorma@hut.fi Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nice work. Thanks! Now I have a few notes and questions. 1) COMPAT_LINUX breaks BSDI emulation (at least netscape for BSDI failed) This patch helps (I don't know if this is right thing to do, but now I can run FreeBSD binaries, netscape and doom): *** kern/imgact_aout.c.orig Thu Mar 16 23:17:01 1995 --- kern/imgact_aout.c Tue May 30 12:45:43 1995 *************** *** 59,65 **** * only the machine id is different: * 0x64 for Linux, 0x86 for *BSD. */ ! if (((a_out->a_magic >> 16) & 0xff) != 0x86) return -1; #endif /* COMPAT_LINUX */ --- 59,65 ---- * only the machine id is different: * 0x64 for Linux, 0x86 for *BSD. */ ! if (((a_out->a_magic >> 16) & 0xff) == 0x64) return -1; #endif /* COMPAT_LINUX */ 2) Does the emulation support sounds? 3) Does XFree86-3.1.1 support 320x200 mode? How? ..vode From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 03:34:12 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA24087 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 03:34:12 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net (ai.net [198.69.35.206]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA24063 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 03:34:03 -0700 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id GAA16718; Tue, 30 May 1995 06:30:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 06:30:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Wes Santee , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SUP server down? In-Reply-To: <199505300420.VAA02429@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 29 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > Did I miss something? Looks like the SUP server has been down pretty > > much all day. If this was a 'scheduled outage' then I guess everybody > > gets to laugh at me and I'll go back and read all my e-mail. If not, > > anybody know what the problem is? > > You missed something, have you been reading your -current and -commit > mailling lists???? > having just read the relevant message -- two things, it came about 10 hours after I noticed sup was down. That is not a big deal. I'm not complaining, but it would be nice [for those of us who skim the subject lines of messages with pine] if something like "SUP DOWN" was in the title. Then again, you could just call me lazy and that would also work. -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 07:52:29 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA13585 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 07:52:29 -0700 Received: from isl.cf.ac.uk (isl-gate.elsy.cf.ac.uk [131.251.22.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA13540 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 07:52:13 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by isl.cf.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA09024; Tue, 30 May 1995 15:54:02 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199505301454.PAA09024@isl.cf.ac.uk> Subject: Re: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) To: hsu@freefall.cdrom.com (Jeffrey Hsu) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 15:54:01 +0100 (BST) Cc: current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199505300953.CAA18371@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jeffrey Hsu" at May 30, 95 02:53:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1043 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In reply to Jeffrey Hsu who said > > Ooh, ooh. A chance to trumpet the Usenet theme for people who still don't > get it. > > To stretch the truth a little, it is a cruel hoax that (very large) > mailing lists are faster than Usenet. Sometimes I see substantial > Usenet threads that start and finish in less than 8 hours. Even > if it isn't true at this very moment in time, certainly as the > FreeBSD base grows even more, the mailing list delay will only get > longer. Mailing lists just aren't scalable to Usenet proportions. > This is just one of the reasons I'm in favor of moving to newsgroups > (with mailing list gateways for people who still want lots of mail, > of course). > Well, maybe you should visit Europe sometime. The Usenet delays are measured in *days* not hours, whole threads could start and end before I even get to see them. -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.isl.cf.ac.uk/ Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 08:04:15 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA15706 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 08:04:15 -0700 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA15694 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 08:04:11 -0700 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.3.6) id AA06740; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:04:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:04:09 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9505301504.AA06740@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: tzsetup in -current.. In-Reply-To: <22168.801632771@freefall.cdrom.com> References: <22168.801632771@freefall.cdrom.com> Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk < said: > Hmmmm. I never knew Denmark and France were in North America! :-) > I'd say something's a little broken there.. Absolutely they are. There's this large island off the coast of Canada that's a part of Denmark that you may have heard of... it's called ``Greenland''. There are a number of French islands off various parts of North America as well. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 09:17:59 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA00941 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:17:59 -0700 Received: from aries.ai.net (ai.net [198.69.35.206]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA00925 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:17:55 -0700 Received: (from nc@localhost) by aries.ai.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id MAA17126; Tue, 30 May 1995 12:14:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 12:14:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Network Coordinator To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Mike Pritchard , wsantee@wsantee.oz.net, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) In-Reply-To: <199505300915.CAA03249@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > freefall:cvswork {111} mailstats > Statistics from Sat May 27 04:19:52 1995 > M msgsfr bytes_from msgsto bytes_to Mailer > 0 0 0K 1026 2285K prog > 1 0 0K 394 875K *file* > 3 2703 6324K 3653 7964K local > 4 1227 3585K 263175 531621K smtp > ======================================== > T 3930 9909K 268248 542745K > freefall:cvswork {112} > > I see turn around times on my messages well under 10 minutes in most > cases, if your seeing 8 hours you probably have a DNS or route problem > that is causing your mail to get defered :-(. That and I am at the > top of the lists, and your probably quite far down on them depending > on when you joined the list. > I must fit in the same category in terms of being far down the lists. However, mail directly TO majordomo [stat requests, etc] come back almost INSTANTLY. [like I hit send, hit index, and have a reply] so I think freefall definitely has enough CPU/bandwidth free to deal with that. I think sendmail might not exactly rush to send bulk priority mail out though. -Jerry. From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 09:21:21 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA01549 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:21:21 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA01539 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:21:20 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id JAA19067; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:21:18 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199505301621.JAA19067@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: tzsetup in -current.. To: wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 09:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <9505301504.AA06740@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at May 30, 95 11:04:09 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 638 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Hmmmm. I never knew Denmark and France were in North America! :-) > > I'd say something's a little broken there.. > > Absolutely they are. There's this large island off the coast of > Canada that's a part of Denmark that you may have heard of... it's > called ``Greenland''. > > There are a number of French islands off various parts of North > America as well. > > -GAWollman GreenLand should not be listed under Denmark for timezone purposes... -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 09:28:52 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA03994 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:28:52 -0700 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA03973 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:28:50 -0700 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.3.6) id AA06857; Tue, 30 May 1995 12:28:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 12:28:47 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9505301628.AA06857@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: tzsetup in -current.. In-Reply-To: <199505301621.JAA19067@ref.tfs.com> References: <9505301504.AA06740@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> <199505301621.JAA19067@ref.tfs.com> Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk < said: > GreenLand should not be listed under Denmark for timezone purposes... It is legally a part of the country, is it not? I consider it to be little different from, say, American Samoa, or Martinique. ------------------------------------ Government ++++++++++ Names: conventional long form none conventional short form Greenland local long form none local short form Kalaallit Nunaat Digraph: GL Type: part of the Danish realm; self-governing overseas administrative division ------------------------------------ -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 09:55:13 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA12890 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:55:13 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA12865 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 09:55:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Garrett Wollman cc: current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: tzsetup in -current.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 May 95 11:04:09 EDT." <9505301504.AA06740@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 09:55:09 -0700 Message-ID: <12860.801852909@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Absolutely they are. There's this large island off the coast of > Canada that's a part of Denmark that you may have heard of... it's > called ``Greenland''. > > There are a number of French islands off various parts of North > America as well. I still think putting "Denmark, France and United Kingdom" in the North American menu is somewhat confusing, but whatever! Why can't those entries say simply "Greenland", "French Antilles", "Bahamas", etc? We're not interested in the GOVERNMENTS of these places, just their locations! Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 11:20:28 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA08427 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:20:28 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA08385 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:20:15 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA01636; Tue, 30 May 1995 12:18:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199505301818.MAA01636@rover.village.org> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Subject: Re: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) Cc: pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Mike Pritchard), wsantee@wsantee.oz.net, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 30 May 1995 02:15:24 PDT Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 12:17:59 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk : I see turn around times on my messages well under 10 minutes in most : cases, if your seeing 8 hours you probably have a DNS or route problem : that is causing your mail to get defered :-(. That and I am at the : top of the lists, and your probably quite far down on them depending : on when you joined the list. I see turn times of about an hour.... But I'm only on the net at 28.8 SLIP (full time), so maybe that is it. I'm not complaining, mind you, this is just another data point. Warner From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 11:37:06 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA12095 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:37:06 -0700 Received: from gw.itfs.nsk.su (gw.itfs.nsk.su [193.124.36.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA12034 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:36:55 -0700 Received: (nnd@localhost) by gw.itfs.nsk.su (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA20094 for current@freebsd.org; Wed, 31 May 1995 01:36:18 +0700 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 01:36:18 +0700 From: "Nickolay N. Dudorov" Message-Id: <199505301836.BAA20094@gw.itfs.nsk.su> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Last changes to release ? Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Will it be possible to obtain through CTM those last minutes changes that'll go in 2.0.5 release ? As I can see src-cur.0680.gz doesn't contain Jordan's commits to release and sysinstall. (I try to build the release locally due to very bad Internet connection :-() N.Dudorov From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 12:06:50 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA17824 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 12:06:50 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA17810 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 12:06:48 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.3) id PAA00694; Tue, 30 May 1995 15:06:41 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199505301906.PAA00694@hda.com> Subject: ld.so: xterm: libXaw.so.6.0: Undefined error: 0 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 15:06:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 624 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk We have three systems in house running the same current, built from a successful "build world" of a few days ago, and one of them gets the error: "ld.so: xterm: libXaw.so.6.0: Undefined error 0" when you run most X apps. I've torn my hair out trying to figure out what is going on. The system is a Compaq Presario 425, 12MB RAM, AHA1542B and a Fujitsu 2266. This happens to be a duplicate of our main -current system disk created using cpio. Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 13:11:16 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA03393 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:11:16 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA03368 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:11:11 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA11812; Tue, 30 May 95 14:03:58 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9505302003.AA11812@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) To: pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Mike Pritchard) Date: Tue, 30 May 95 14:03:58 MDT Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, wsantee@wsantee.oz.net, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505300903.EAA18637@mpp.com> from "Mike Pritchard" at May 30, 95 04:03:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I've been noticing very long delays lately between the time a message > is posted to any of the freebsd-* lists and the time it makes it back > to my mail machine. Nobody thinks the fact that AlterNET has been toast for the past 3 days has anything to do with this? Seriously, there was major work on the SprintNET and AlterNET portions of the Internet backbone this weekend. Probably explains your delay. Apparently neither service understands cell isolation debugging, where you split your net in two, and then repeat the process to isolate the problem. This is a general problem in the base design of the InterNET, the use of ATM as an IP transport without IP support of source quench, the addressing of resources by host rather than by service, and the general lack of switchable redundant paths and smart software to cause the switching to take place in the face of congestion. I'm currently going to San Diego to LA to San Jose to Vienna Virginia to Denver to SLC to Ogden to type this -- apparently, the NAP in California is stone-dead, at least as far as SprintNET is concerned. There are also some US West leased line problems into and out of LA (or at least there were as of 8 PM last night). I doubt Usenet, which uses the same transport, would fare any better. Makes you want to start your own Internet. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 13:44:52 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA13157 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:44:52 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA13125 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:44:45 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id NAA20092; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:43:47 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199505302043.NAA20092@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Last changes to release ? To: nnd@gw.itfs.nsk.su (Nickolay N. Dudorov) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 13:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505301836.BAA20094@gw.itfs.nsk.su> from "Nickolay N. Dudorov" at May 31, 95 01:36:18 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 453 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Will it be possible to obtain > through CTM those last minutes changes > that'll go in 2.0.5 release ? As I can see CTM will resume as usual on the -current branch today. I just want to monitor the couple of big runs. The 2.0.5 .. 2.1 branch may be available later. -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 13:47:18 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA13800 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:47:18 -0700 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA13765 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:47:12 -0700 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.3.6) id AA07295; Tue, 30 May 1995 16:47:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 16:47:02 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9505302047.AA07295@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) In-Reply-To: <9505302003.AA11812@cs.weber.edu> References: <199505300903.EAA18637@mpp.com> <9505302003.AA11812@cs.weber.edu> Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk < Nobody thinks the fact that AlterNET has been toast for the past 3 days > has anything to do with this? Doesn't seem very crunchy to me. > Seriously, there was major work on the SprintNET and AlterNET portions > of the Internet backbone this weekend. Oh, and while you're at it, we're not talking ``New England Telephone'' here. The appropriate trademarks are ``SprintLink'' and ``AlterNet''. There is some evidence that SprintLink's people have never read the DNS RFCs. > This is a general problem in the base design of the InterNET, the use > of ATM as an IP transport without IP support of source quench BZZZZT! Wrong, but thanks for playing. Well, the first and third parts are wrong, the second part is correct. That's why so many people prefer to expand ``ATM'' as ``Another Technical Mistake''. Unfortunately, with the telcos' and taxpayers' money behind it, were likely to be stuck with this particular screw for some time to come. > addressing of resources by host rather than by service, and the general > lack of switchable redundant paths and smart software to cause the > switching to take place in the face of congestion. Nonsense. > I'm currently going to San Diego to LA to San Jose to Vienna Virginia > to Denver to SLC to Ogden to type this -- apparently, the NAP in > California is stone-dead, at least as far as SprintNET is concerned. MCI is happy to send my packets to FIX-West before handing them over to Sprint for delivery to David. (I never thought I'd say that MCI actually did something right...) > Makes you want to start your own Internet. Makes you wish Terry would stop making these sorts of postings. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 13:53:52 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA15933 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:53:52 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA15889 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:53:44 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA12024; Tue, 30 May 95 14:47:02 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9505302047.AA12024@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: tzsetup in -current.. To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 30 May 95 14:47:01 MDT Cc: wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu, current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <12860.801852909@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at May 30, 95 09:55:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I still think putting "Denmark, France and United Kingdom" in the > North American menu is somewhat confusing, but whatever! > > Why can't those entries say simply "Greenland", "French Antilles", > "Bahamas", etc? We're not interested in the GOVERNMENTS of these > places, just their locations! What about the Windows95 map-based widget doo-hicky? This is more to use the word "doo-hickey" in a sentence than anything else. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 14:31:13 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA29021 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:31:13 -0700 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA28850 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:30:51 -0700 Received: from grumble.grondar.za (grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA14609; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:30:33 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA16885; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:30:31 +0200 Message-Id: <199505302130.XAA16885@grumble.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grumble.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Peter Dufault cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ld.so: xterm: libXaw.so.6.0: Undefined error: 0 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 23:30:29 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > We have three systems in house running the same current, built from > a successful "build world" of a few days ago, and one of them gets > the error: > > "ld.so: xterm: libXaw.so.6.0: Undefined error 0" > > when you run most X apps. I've torn my hair out trying to figure > out what is going on. You may not have ldconfig'ed your /usr/X11R6/lib directory recently enough. M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 14:32:47 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA29726 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:32:47 -0700 Received: from crystal.PEAK.ORG (root@crystal.PEAK.ORG [198.68.23.56]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA29685 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:32:42 -0700 Received: from lostlhost (careya@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by crystal.PEAK.ORG (8.6.9/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA12187; Tue, 30 May 1995 14:32:32 -0700 Message-Id: <199505302132.OAA12187@crystal.PEAK.ORG> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: Peter Dufault cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ld.so: xterm: libXaw.so.6.0: Undefined error: 0 In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 30 May 1995 15:06:40 -0400. <199505301906.PAA00694@hda.com> X-URI: http://www.peak.org/~careya Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 14:32:21 -0700 From: Andrew Carey Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Peter Dufault wrote: > We have three systems in house running the same current, built from > a successful "build world" of a few days ago, and one of them gets > the error: > > "ld.so: xterm: libXaw.so.6.0: Undefined error 0" > > when you run most X apps. I've torn my hair out trying to figure > out what is going on. I've had this happen as well. It turned out that the shared libs for X weren't being added to the shared library cache with ldconfig at boot. Look for the line starting with ldconfig in your rc.local, and add the location of your X libs to the end. On my machine this line looks like: ldconfig /usr/lib /usr/local/lib /usr/local/gnu/lib /usr/local/X11R5/lib This is on a hp300 running NetBSD 1.0, though, so your mileage may vary. Andy Carey, KSC | Public Terminal/HP Support | careya@peak.org Semper Ubi Sub Ubi | "The gostak distims the doshes" | SPLF/cor From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 15:01:22 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA10675 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 15:01:22 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA10619 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 15:01:14 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA21108; Wed, 31 May 1995 00:00:39 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA20321 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 31 May 1995 00:00:38 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA04184 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:36:53 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199505302136.XAA04184@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: bin/407: Odd tset -I behaviour, termcap says xterm kb=^H To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 23:36:52 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-current users) In-Reply-To: <9505161404.AA19919@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at May 16, 95 10:04:43 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 671 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Garrett Wollman wrote: > > No, actually, it's hooked to my model PE40A-A9 (aka DEC 3000/400) > Alpha. My Intel Premiere OEM PC has a generic crufto Thai-made > keyboard where the same key is labeled: > > <-- > > Which doesn't exactly suggest an ASCII code, either. (In fact, it's > identical to the cursor-left key.) Btw., all international keyboards i've seen by now are labelled this way... if you guys hadn't posted it here, i probably wouldn't even now that the key is labeled "Backspace" on some keyboards. :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 17:39:33 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA26271 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 17:39:33 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA26204 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 17:39:14 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA30468; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:35:49 +1000 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 10:35:49 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199505310035.KAA30468@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hsu@freefall.cdrom.com, paul@isl.cf.ac.uk Subject: Re: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) Cc: current@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Well, maybe you should visit Europe sometime. The Usenet delays are measured >in *days* not hours, whole threads could start and end before I even get >to see them. Here the average delay is 7 days for freebsd.misc (reasonably sample size) and 9 days for freebsd.announce (sample size 2). Delays of 14 days are not uncommon. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 19:10:14 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA17668 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 19:10:14 -0700 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA17652 ; Tue, 30 May 1995 19:10:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA09989; Wed, 31 May 1995 08:10:14 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199505310310.IAA09989@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: tzsetup in -current.. To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 08:10:13 +0500 (GMT+0500) Cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu, current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <9505302047.AA12024@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at May 30, 95 02:47:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 899 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I still think putting "Denmark, France and United Kingdom" in the > > North American menu is somewhat confusing, but whatever! > > > > Why can't those entries say simply "Greenland", "French Antilles", > > "Bahamas", etc? We're not interested in the GOVERNMENTS of these > > places, just their locations! > > What about the Windows95 map-based widget doo-hicky? > > This is more to use the word "doo-hickey" in a sentence than anything else. > > 8-). Government is important too :-( If you point occasionally on this map Ukraine instead of Russia, or China instead of Russia or if you're merely not shure about your geographic location you will get the completely wrong timezone. For example China has single timezone and Russia has 3 or 4 on the same meridians. Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 23:04:56 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA19850 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:04:56 -0700 Received: from trout.sri.MT.net (trout.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA19844 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:04:53 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by trout.sri.MT.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) id AAA10045; Wed, 31 May 1995 00:04:43 -0600 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 00:04:43 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199505310604.AAA10045@trout.sri.MT.net> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Early feedback on the release (not sysinstall) Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I borrowed a laptop from work to check out the new install stuff, but knowing that it's a brand-new release I was looking for new instructions on what is required aside from the 'all you need is boot.flp'. Since that box doesn't have an ethernet controller right now, and it will never have a CD-ROM drive I'm not sure what files I need, and I couldn't find any pointers anywhere on the ftp site to let me know. The instructions on what to do with the file 'boot.flp' got lost. Basically, we need a pointer somewhere on what the particular files are, and how they are supposed to be used. Since I done dozens of FreeBSD installs I assume that boot.flp is probably a disk image, but given the weird sizes (as Warner already pointed out) it's no altogether obvious what root.flp is. The two taken together w/out any docs add some doubt as to how to even start the installation process. I'm in the process of downloading both floppy images, and I will attempt to install FreeBSD after dd'ing 'boot.flp' onto a freshly formatted floppy. After that I'm at a loss. First of all, our BIOS boot loader doesn't work on an IBM-Thinkpad 750C, so I had to apply some hacks to the bootblocks which were posted to the NetBSD mailing list to overcome the problems with the 2.88MB floppy in order to even boot the floppy. Once that was done, the kernel loaded and uncompressed itself and proceeded to tell me all about the machine and what I didn't have installed. :-) However, it didn't get past the point where it said: 'rootfs is 1075 Kbyte compiled in MFS'. It's possible that installing on a 4MB machine is not possible, but since it's the only machine I have to test the installation stuff on I'm kinda stuck at this point. After further hassle, it turns out that I'm going to need to do more hacking than I have already. The keyboard scan codes are completely weirded out as I can't even get my keystrokes to be registered correctly. In any case, it would be nice to have the scroll-back buffers documented in the release notes so folks can go look at the scrolled-off information from the boot process. Even trying to find that information in the documentation is difficult. I resorted to the looking at the source code. More in the days to come as I am able to get further along in the install. Nate From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 23:10:46 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA20067 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:10:46 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA20061 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:10:46 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id XAA22591; Tue, 30 May 1995 23:10:37 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199505310610.XAA22591@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Early feedback on the release (not sysinstall) To: nate@trout.sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 23:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505310604.AAA10045@trout.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at May 31, 95 00:04:43 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 345 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > However, it didn't get past the point where it said: > 'rootfs is 1075 Kbyte compiled in MFS'. Please email me the boot-mesg's, in particular the "avail memory" -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 00:16:12 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA22158 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 00:16:12 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA22091 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 00:14:44 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43060>; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:12:43 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA00796; Tue, 30 May 1995 19:33:27 +0200 Message-Id: <199505301733.TAA00796@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Jeffrey Hsu cc: current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 May 1995 11:53:00 +0200." <199505300953.CAA18371@freefall.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 19:33:27 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > To stretch the truth a little, it is a cruel hoax that (very large) > mailing lists are faster than Usenet. If freefall becomes overloaded, another alternative is for it to feed mail exploders on other machines, rather than mailing everyone direct. I know that means we'd need minor-domos elsewhere, but It'd avoid newgroups. Julian S From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 01:11:33 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA02406 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 01:11:33 -0700 Received: from lirmm.lirmm.fr (lirmm.lirmm.fr [193.49.104.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA02341 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 01:11:18 -0700 Received: from lirmm.fr (baobab.lirmm.fr [193.49.106.14]) by lirmm.lirmm.fr (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA01223 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:10:42 +0200 Message-Id: <199505310810.KAA01223@lirmm.lirmm.fr> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: boot.flp Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 10:10:40 +0200 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello, I played with the new boot floppy, and have some comments, sorry for the inconvenience if already in your todo list. 1) In the ``select distribution to load'' menu, you are not warned about taking the DES distrib if not inside the US. Maybe, you are if you really select DES, I didn't tried. (You are warned in another choice if you try to grad the source code). 2) I got ``/ is full'' on the second terminal. 3) Some documents are missing (e.g slice.hlp, disklabel.hlp). 4) After escaping to a shell, I was not able to run a command ls, halt: not found (note that I tried this before writing on the disk). 5) I liked the xxxC input mode for rounding partitions to cylinder boundaries. thanks! 6) I didn't find a way to preserve partitions. I think you can if the disk already use slices. -------- -------- Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr LIRMM, 161 rue Ada, 34392 Montpellier cedex 5 -- France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 06:42:33 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA06213 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:42:33 -0700 Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA06192 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 06:42:20 -0700 Received: from ast.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQysck10950; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:42:17 -0400 Received: from trsvax.fw.ast.com (fw.ast.com) by ast.com with SMTP id AA15772 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for uunet!freebsd.org!current); Wed, 31 May 1995 06:42:34 -0700 Received: by trsvax.fw.ast.com (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.1) id ; Wed, 31 May 95 08:44 CDT Received: by nemesis.lonestar.org (Smail3.1.27.1 #18) id m0sGo0D-0004w1C; Wed, 31 May 95 08:40 CDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 May 95 08:40 CDT To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com (Frank Durda IV) Sent: Wed May 31 1995, 08:40:05 CDT Subject: Problems with 2.0.5-Alpha Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I have two existing systems that were running SNAP-0412 without incident that I have tried to install 2.0.5-Alpha on. This has been a failure. The system is a DEC 1027, also known as a GRid 433, also known as a Tandy 4833, also, well you get the idea. These are 486DX-33 systems, with external cache modules, 8Meg RAM, a single 540 IDE drive. No SCSI, CD-ROMs removed, WD8013 network card (0x2, 0x280, 0xd400), standard COM1, COM2, LPT1 and nothing else. OAK or WDC VGA adapters, depending on the machine. With 8Meg present (what they have had for months), I note on the F2 screen that dozens of processes are aborting with: Process 402 Killed by vm_pageout -- out of swap The installation appears to be working although many help files appear missing. I expected some to be missing, but not all - the true error may be a killed process rather than a missing file. Anyway, the installation gets to "Making device files" and just sits there forever. I suspect it didn't actually make file systems as that step reportedly took about one second. I halted the system and added memory from an identical system, bringing it up to 12 Meg thinking the additional RAM might avoid the swap altogether. But now the system starts up: Booting the kernelel...done (yes, it is displayed that way) BIOS basemem (639K) != RTC basemem (640K) and it just hangs at this point. So I tried 4Meg, as the system is supposed to work with just 4Meg. The system also hangs after the BIOS BASEMEM message. So I returned to 8Meg memory size and it boots but by monitoring screen 2 it is obvious it is killing processes left and right, starting with process 6. Then I switched to 16Meg. It also hangs. But if I move the same plug-in memory board loaded with the 16Meg on it to the second machine, that system gets a trap when booting 2.0.5-Alpha: Booting the kernel BIOS basemem (639K) != RTC basemem (640K) Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x1c fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0186235 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b, gran 1 processor eflags = resume, IOPL=0 current process = 0 () interrupt mask = net tty bio panic: page fault hit reset please This is 100% reproducible on one system and doesn't seem to happen on the other. The only difference was that the machine that paniced had video shadowing disabled in the BIOS. Again, both these systems ran 1.1.5.1, and all the SNAPs since February and have been used for numerous "make worlds" without incident. The system with the panic hasn't had its hard disk wiped yet, so after the panic, I simply let the system boot the last snap from hard disk and it ran fine with no hardware changes at all with the 16Meg present. So with 2.0.5-Alpha, neither system runs at all unless exactly 8Meg is present and it gets out of swap errors with 8Meg present. Constructive suggestions are welcome and I'll be happy to try any experiments to resolve this. Fastest address is uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com Frank Durda IV |"The Knights who say "LETNi" or uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com (Fastest Route)| demand... A SEGMENT REGISTER!!!" ...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem |"A what?" ...decvax!fw.ast.com!nemesis!uhclem |"LETNi! LETNi! LETNi!" - 1983 From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 07:33:53 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA11488 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 07:33:53 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA11416 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 07:33:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199505311433.HAA11416@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com (Frank Durda IV) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with 2.0.5-Alpha In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 08:40:00 CDT." Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 07:33:31 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Are you configuring ANY swap on these systems? There must be some or the install will fail (or so I believe). >I have two existing systems that were running SNAP-0412 without incident >that I have tried to install 2.0.5-Alpha on. This has been a failure. > >The system is a DEC 1027, also known as a GRid 433, also known as a >Tandy 4833, also, well you get the idea. > >These are 486DX-33 systems, with external cache modules, 8Meg RAM, >a single 540 IDE drive. No SCSI, CD-ROMs removed, WD8013 network >card (0x2, 0x280, 0xd400), standard COM1, COM2, LPT1 and nothing else. >OAK or WDC VGA adapters, depending on the machine. > >With 8Meg present (what they have had for months), I note on the F2 screen >that dozens of processes are aborting with: > > Process 402 Killed by vm_pageout -- out of swap > >The installation appears to be working although many help files appear >missing. I expected some to be missing, but not all - the true error >may be a killed process rather than a missing file. > >Anyway, the installation gets to "Making device files" and just >sits there forever. I suspect it didn't actually make file systems >as that step reportedly took about one second. > >I halted the system and added memory from an identical system, bringing >it up to 12 Meg thinking the additional RAM might avoid the swap >altogether. But now the system starts up: > > Booting the kernelel...done (yes, it is displayed that way) > BIOS basemem (639K) != RTC basemem (640K) > >and it just hangs at this point. > >So I tried 4Meg, as the system is supposed to work with just 4Meg. >The system also hangs after the BIOS BASEMEM message. So I returned >to 8Meg memory size and it boots but by monitoring screen 2 it is obvious >it is killing processes left and right, starting with process 6. > >Then I switched to 16Meg. It also hangs. But if I move the same >plug-in memory board loaded with the 16Meg on it to the second machine, >that system gets a trap when booting 2.0.5-Alpha: > > Booting the kernel > BIOS basemem (639K) != RTC basemem (640K) > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode > fault virtual address = 0x1c > fault code = supervisor read, page not present > instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0186235 > code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b, gran 1 > processor eflags = resume, IOPL=0 > current process = 0 () > interrupt mask = net tty bio > panic: page fault > hit reset please > >This is 100% reproducible on one system and doesn't seem to happen >on the other. The only difference was that the machine that paniced >had video shadowing disabled in the BIOS. > >Again, both these systems ran 1.1.5.1, and all the SNAPs since February >and have been used for numerous "make worlds" without incident. The >system with the panic hasn't had its hard disk wiped yet, so after >the panic, I simply let the system boot the last snap from hard disk >and it ran fine with no hardware changes at all with the 16Meg present. > >So with 2.0.5-Alpha, neither system runs at all unless exactly 8Meg >is present and it gets out of swap errors with 8Meg present. > > >Constructive suggestions are welcome and I'll be happy to try any >experiments to resolve this. > >Fastest address is uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com > >Frank Durda IV |"The Knights who say "LETNi" >or uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com (Fastest Route)| demand... A SEGMENT REGISTER!!! >" >...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem |"A what?" >...decvax!fw.ast.com!nemesis!uhclem |"LETNi! LETNi! LETNi!" - 1983 > -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 09:07:35 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA18919 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:07:35 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA18898 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 09:07:14 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43357>; Wed, 31 May 1995 18:06:25 +0200 Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA21578 for current@freebsd.org; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:16:04 +0200 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 17:16:04 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Message-Id: <199505311516.RAA21578@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: something broke ~1.5 weeks ago with the groff rn macro Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi Current List, Something broke maybe 1.5 weeks ago in the groff overstrike macro that I use in generating Postscript documents. The macro that broke is :- ---- .de os \" { Macro - overscore a string. .\" this uses the bar of a an extended square root sign, so has no gaps \\$1\l'|0\(rn' .\" invoke by: .os "words under a line" .. .\" } ----- Basically the words get stretched out more now than before. I haven't changed my .rof macros. Anyone else seen this ? Anyone know what changed in the groff-->ngroff-->groff macros transition to change the spacing generated by this macro ? Or which file to look in ? Thanks --- Julian Stacey Tel. +49 89 268616. Fax Modem: 2608126 From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 10:00:34 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA29120 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:00:34 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA29111 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:00:32 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA14052; Wed, 31 May 95 18:58:20 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id TAA02653 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Wed, 31 May 1995 19:11:09 +0200 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 19:11:09 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199505311711.TAA02653@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: dset - what is it, what does it? Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Could someone please explain what dset does? a man page? I read from /etc/rc that it saves -c changes back to disk. Which files does it use (if any?) Can it clobber an existing kernel when previous -c changes have been made on a different kernel? The message ' saving -c changes back to disk' is confusing or misleading. It suggests the impression that -c changes had been made and something's changed. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950531 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0531 #0: Wed May 31 06:16:35 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 10:35:03 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA02031 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:35:03 -0700 Received: from dns.netvision.net.il (root@dns.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA02023 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 10:35:01 -0700 Received: from Burka.NetVision.net.il (root@Burka.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.15]) by dns.netvision.net.il (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA09537 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:35:11 +0300 Received: (from gena@localhost) by Burka.NetVision.net.il (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA05518 for current@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:45:51 +0300 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 20:45:51 +0300 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.1 Beta on FreeBSD From: Gennady Sorokopud To: Subject: swap on 2.0.5-ALPHA Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I just noticed that 2.0.5-ALPHA sysinstall does not add swap entry into the /etc/fstab file. So when the machine comes up it runs completely out of swap. I noticed that only when i tried to recompile kernel :-) Gena | gena@NetVision.net.il | finger gena@NetVision.net.il for more info | | Date: 05/31/95 | Time: 20:43:25 | | This message was sent by XF-Mail From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 12:44:08 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA15206 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:44:08 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA15200 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:44:07 -0700 Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA00479 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:44:12 -0700 Received: from ast.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQysdi12142; Wed, 31 May 1995 15:42:17 -0400 Received: from trsvax.fw.ast.com (fw.ast.com) by ast.com with SMTP id AA20482 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for uunet!freebsd.org!current); Wed, 31 May 1995 12:42:34 -0700 Received: by trsvax.fw.ast.com (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.1) id ; Wed, 31 May 95 14:43 CDT Received: by nemesis.lonestar.org (Smail3.1.27.1 #18) id m0sGtI2-0004w1C; Wed, 31 May 95 14:18 CDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 May 95 14:18 CDT To: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com From: uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com (Frank Durda IV) Sent: Wed May 31 1995, 14:18:49 CDT Subject: Re: Problems with 2.0.5-Alpha Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [1]Justin T. Gibbs writes: [1]Are you configuring ANY swap on these systems? There must be some or [1]the install will fail (or so I believe). This is all running from the boot floppy, not from hard disk. We haven't gotten far enough to use the hard disk when things die. In 2.0.5-Alpha, do you have to partition the floppy now or do something more exotic than dd if=boot.flp of=/dev/rfd0a bs=9k to make the boot floppy? Swap partition on floppies? (If this is needed it should be in the .flp image.) Note I can remove the hard disk drive completely (and set BIOS accordingly) and the systems will still hang with 4, 12 or 16 Meg present on one machine, and the other machine will hang with 4 or 12 meg, and panic on boot with 16 Meg present. With 8 Meg, both systems will boot but constantly are killing processes due to out-of-swap, which the install hasn't created yet. Again, both machines were running SNAP 0420 just fine and had both run SNAPs since February without incident. They also ran 1.1.5.1 fine. FYI, I tried to define the hard drive on one of the two systems as follows: 60 Meg existing DOS partition /dos 35 Meg root / 32 Meg swap ~410Meg /usr But as I mentioned, I don't think the install process actually made filesystems and it certainly never booted from the hard disk, so I doubt any swap space on the hard disk was ever accessed. I brought the 2.0.5-Alpha boot disk into work and have found two more different models that boot from floppy OK on 0420 SNAP but hang or act goofy on 2.0.5-Alpha, so this is serious. Frank Durda IV From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 12:54:42 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA16422 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:54:42 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA16414 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:54:41 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA29971 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:54:39 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 31 May 95 14:54 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 31 May 95 14:54 CDT Message-Id: Subject: Alpha sysinstall To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 14:54:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lars Fredriksen" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 756 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, Just tried the sysinstall out and I have a couple of nits: 1) If you quit without installing anyting, then sysinstall complains about not finding /etc/sysconfig and the machine doesn't reboot as the message says it would. I don't know if the reboot problem is with sysinstall or if it has something to do with the 0xFF/0xF6 mask thing that Rod talked about a while back. 2) The toggle buttons should give you some kind of feedback as to what state they are in. I'll continue as soon as I can get the kernel to find my EtherExpress Card :-( Lars -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Lars Fredriksen fredriks@mcs.com (home) lars@fredriks.pr.mcs.net (home-home) fredriks@asiago.cs.wisc.edu From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 13:01:16 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA17436 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:01:16 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA17426 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:01:13 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA00241 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 15:01:11 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 31 May 95 15:01 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 31 May 95 15:01 CDT Message-Id: Subject: 2.0.5 Alpha and Intel EtherExpress cards To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 15:01:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lars Fredriksen" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 578 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, I don't know what the "Normal" defaults for the Intel EtherExpress cards are, but mine is set to : My machine: Kernel Defaults: IRQ: 5 10 Port: 0x300 0x300 Mem: 0xD400 0xD000 Flash: 0xD000 ???? (doesn't matter) Anyway, even when I set the IRQ and Memory address, the probe didn't find it, that I can see, and sysinstall didn't find it either. Anyone tried this? Lars -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Lars Fredriksen fredriks@mcs.com (home) lars@fredriks.pr.mcs.net (home-home) fredriks@asiago.cs.wisc.edu From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 13:06:25 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA18264 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:06:25 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA18250 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:06:19 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA00387 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 15:06:17 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 31 May 95 15:06 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 31 May 95 15:06 CDT Message-Id: Subject: 2.0.5 Alpha panic To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 15:06:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lars Fredriksen" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 616 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, When I tried to probe my Intel EtherExpress from within the kernel config utility, the system paniced with the following info: va: 0xEFC00340 code: Supervisor read, page not present IP: 0x8:0xF01A0E07 Code Seg: base 0x0, limit 0xFFFFF type 0x1b DPL 0, pres 1 def32 1 gran 1 Current process: 0x0 () This is a NCR/AT&T 3333 machine with 486/66, 16Mb ISA, Diamond Viper Intel EtherExpress, Connor 540 IDE. Lars -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Lars Fredriksen fredriks@mcs.com (home) lars@fredriks.pr.mcs.net (home-home) fredriks@asiago.cs.wisc.edu From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 13:42:16 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA24586 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:42:16 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA24529 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:41:55 -0700 Message-Id: <199505312041.NAA24529@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Lars Fredriksen" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Alpha and Intel EtherExpress cards In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 15:01:10 CDT." Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:41:52 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Hi, > I don't know what the "Normal" defaults for the Intel EtherExpress >cards are, but mine is set to : > > My machine: Kernel Defaults: > IRQ: 5 10 > Port: 0x300 0x300 > Mem: 0xD400 0xD000 > Flash: 0xD000 ???? (doesn't matter) > >Anyway, even when I set the IRQ and Memory address, the probe didn't find it, >that I can see, and sysinstall didn't find it either. Anyone tried this? > > >Lars I installed to one at the same settings, but you must first boot -c and disable wt0, mcd0, mcd1, and possibly ie0. 0x300 is a magnet for poor probes it seems. Since I have access to both an etherexpress and a 3c509, I'm hoping to lend a hand in sorting this thing out. >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Lars Fredriksen fredriks@mcs.com (home) > lars@fredriks.pr.mcs.net (home-home) > fredriks@asiago.cs.wisc.edu -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 14:08:41 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA18851 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:10:31 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA18362 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:07:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com (Frank Durda IV), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with 2.0.5-Alpha In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 07:33:31 PDT." <199505311433.HAA11416@freefall.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:07:07 -0700 Message-ID: <18361.801950827@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Are you configuring ANY swap on these systems? There must be some or > the install will fail (or so I believe). He'd have to be - the install won't let you proceed without it. Perhaps the amount of swap is too _small_?? Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 14:13:49 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA00854 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:13:49 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA00839 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:13:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Gennady Sorokopud cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap on 2.0.5-ALPHA In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 20:45:51 +0300." Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 14:13:45 -0700 Message-ID: <835.801954825@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Argh! I wonder why.. It *used* to! I will investigate, thanks! Jordan > I just noticed that 2.0.5-ALPHA sysinstall > does not add swap entry into the /etc/fstab file. > > So when the machine comes up it runs completely out of swap. > I noticed that only when i tried to recompile kernel :-) > > Gena | gena@NetVision.net.il > | finger gena@NetVision.net.il for more info > | > | Date: 05/31/95 > | Time: 20:43:25 > | > | This message was sent by XF-Mail From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 14:21:25 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA01816 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:21:25 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA01800 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:21:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Gennady Sorokopud cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: swap on 2.0.5-ALPHA In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 95 20:45:51 +0300." Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 14:21:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1798.801955279@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Just fixed it, thanks! As soon as my cvs co finishes, I'll roll a new set of floppies and have them up on the archive site sometime tonite (in the UPDATES directory). I've fixed a LOT of bugs and general misfeatures with everyone's feedback on the ALPHA so far - thanks! Jordan > I just noticed that 2.0.5-ALPHA sysinstall > does not add swap entry into the /etc/fstab file. > > So when the machine comes up it runs completely out of swap. > I noticed that only when i tried to recompile kernel :-) > > Gena | gena@NetVision.net.il > | finger gena@NetVision.net.il for more info > | > | Date: 05/31/95 > | Time: 20:43:25 > | > | This message was sent by XF-Mail From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 14:24:51 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA28602 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:59:53 -0700 Received: from gordius.gordian.com (gordius.gordian.com [192.73.220.81]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA28583 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:59:45 -0700 Received: from hermes (hermes.gordian.com [192.73.220.111]) by gordius.gordian.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA25186; Wed, 31 May 1995 13:59:14 -0700 Received: by hermes (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for @gordius.gordian.com:hackers@freebsd.org id AA18474; Wed, 31 May 95 13:59:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 May 95 13:59:13 -0700 From: steve@gordian.com (Steve Khoo) Message-Id: <9505312059.AA18474@hermes> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: problem Installing 2.0.5-ALPHA/XFree86 3.1.1u1 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk - Setup - 486DX2/66 Adaptec 1542CF 1.5GB DEC SCSI-II Installation via NFS from SGI server running IRIX5.2 Installing 'Everything' with all XFree86 options - problem - 1) Installation attempted to install 'customizable xdm runtime configuration file' but didn't find the package 'X311xdmcf'. Instead, the XF86311 directory contains 'X311xdcf.tgz'. 2) System hangs during installation of 'X311xicf'. 3) System hangs during installation of 'X311pex'. SEK -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve E. Khoo Gordian Systems Manager 20361 Irvine Ave Internet: steve@gordian.com Santa Ana Heights, CA 92707 Phone: (714)850-0205 FAX: (714)850-0533 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 14:58:40 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA04814 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:58:40 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA04805 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 14:58:32 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA02533; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:57:10 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 31 May 95 16:57 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 31 May 95 16:57 CDT Message-Id: Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Alpha and Intel EtherExpress cards To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 16:57:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lars Fredriksen" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505312011.NAA02866@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at May 31, 95 01:11:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 964 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes writes: > > > > > Hi, > > I don't know what the "Normal" defaults for the Intel EtherExpress > > cards are, but mine is set to : > > > > My machine: Kernel Defaults: > > IRQ: 5 10 > > Port: 0x300 0x300 > > Mem: 0xD400 0xD000 > > Flash: 0xD000 ???? (doesn't matter) > > > > Anyway, even when I set the IRQ and Memory address, the probe didn't find it, > > that I can see, and sysinstall didn't find it either. Anyone tried this? > > Is this an EtherExpress 16 or an EtherExpress Pro? Only the 16 is supported, > the Pro uses a completly different chip and will require a driver write > from scratch to support. > > Also the EtherExpress Pro should have been more properly named > EtherExpress Cheap. This is a EtherExpress 16 card. Lars -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Lars Fredriksen fredriks@mcs.com (home) lars@fredriks.pr.mcs.net (home-home) fredriks@asiago.cs.wisc.edu From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 16:53:14 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA13971 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:53:14 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA13959 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:53:12 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14492(2)>; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:52:28 PDT Received: by crevenia.parc.xerox.com id <49859>; Wed, 31 May 1995 16:52:25 -0700 From: Bill Fenner To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Additional card for DC21040 driver in RELNOTES.FreeBSD Message-Id: <95May31.165225pdt.49859@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 16:52:20 PDT Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I bought a "Linksys EtherPCI" card, because it had a picture of the card on the box and I could make out the 21040 and the dec logo on the one big chip. It has worked for me for a month; presumably it could be listed in the release notes as another supported card? (It's only 10Mbps, not 100) Bill From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 17:45:52 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA18414 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:45:52 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA18406 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:45:50 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA05601; Wed, 31 May 1995 19:45:48 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 31 May 95 19:39 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 31 May 95 19:39 CDT Message-Id: Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Alpha and Intel EtherExpress cards To: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 19:39:27 +1900 (CDT) From: "Lars Fredriksen" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505312041.NAA24529@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at May 31, 95 01:41:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 980 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Justin T. Gibbs writes: > > >Hi, > > I don't know what the "Normal" defaults for the Intel EtherExpress > >cards are, but mine is set to : > > > > My machine: Kernel Defaults: > > IRQ: 5 10 > > Port: 0x300 0x300 > > Mem: 0xD400 0xD000 > > Flash: 0xD000 ???? (doesn't matter) > > > >Anyway, even when I set the IRQ and Memory address, the probe didn't find it, > >that I can see, and sysinstall didn't find it either. Anyone tried this? > > > > > >Lars > > I installed to one at the same settings, but you must first boot -c and > disable wt0, mcd0, mcd1, and possibly ie0. 0x300 is a magnet for poor > probes it seems. Since I have access to both an etherexpress and a 3c509, > I'm hoping to lend a hand in sorting this thing out. You just did. I am now up and running. 8-) Lars -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Lars Fredriksen fredriks@mcs.com (home) lars@fredriks.pr.mcs.net (home-home) fredriks@asiago.cs.wisc.edu From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 20:22:27 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA26659 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:22:27 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA26517 ; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:14:48 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA17491; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:09:19 +1000 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:09:19 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506010309.NAA17491@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com Subject: Re: Problems with 2.0.5-Alpha Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Booting the kernelel...done (yes, it is displayed that way) > BIOS basemem (639K) != RTC basemem (640K) `kernelel' is caused by unnecessarily(?) "restoring" the bios area at the end of kzipboot/boot.c. This trashes the BIOS state. In particular, the row and column gets set to a previous value and the next string printed overwrites a previous string: [cursor saved here] Uncompressing kernel... done [cursor restored here] Booting the kernel [overwrites "Uncompressing..."] Booting the kernelel... [ final result] done [ second line of final result ] Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 20:36:20 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA26901 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:36:20 -0700 Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu (archive@cps201.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.201]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA26895 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 20:36:19 -0700 Received: (from archive@localhost) by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA04624; Wed, 31 May 1995 23:36:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 23:36:07 -0400 (EDT) From: CMU Mail Archive X-Sender: archive@cps201 Reply-To: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: Wes Santee , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SUP server down? In-Reply-To: <199505300420.VAA02429@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 29 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > Did I miss something? Looks like the SUP server has been down pretty > > much all day. If this was a 'scheduled outage' then I guess everybody > > gets to laugh at me and I'll go back and read all my e-mail. If not, > > anybody know what the problem is? > > You missed something, have you been reading your -current and -commit > mailling lists???? > > Rod, Don't be to harsh on these people :) I JUST got this mail at Wed May 31 23:35:33 1995 Which is WAY after it got mailed I also just received your original note on this.. Thanks From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 31 21:59:44 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA28648 for current-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:59:44 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA28640 for ; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:59:42 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA03735; Wed, 31 May 1995 21:58:16 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506010458.VAA03735@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: -cur boot hangs since may 1 To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 21:58:16 +1700 (PDT) Cc: bugs@ns1.win.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505172031.GAA28969@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at May 18, 95 06:31:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1375 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > >If you disable ie0 during a '-c' boot dialog (or build a kernel without ie0) > >then things work great. > > >All my boxes have ep0 cards so I have been an unhappy boy for many days. > > >I am looking at the probe technique in the ie0 driver to see what has > >been changed. It may be confusing the 3c509 card. > > This is a known bug and was worked around in revision 1.20 (1994/11/18) > of GENERIC. > > Log: > Put ie0 above ep0. Otherwise, the ie0 probe clobbers it. > > The work around was broken by sorting the devices in revision 1.38 > (1995/04/08). Thanks for the leg work Bruce, I have commited what I think should fix this and document it well enough that it does not happen until some one fixes these probes up to not smash each other. > The conflict is probably because if_ie.c uses port ELINK_ID_PORT which > is defined in elink.h as 0x100 and if_ep.c uses port EP_ID_PORT which > is defined in if_epreg.h as 0x100. The conflict is not detected because > use of these ports is not recorded in the config file (there is no room > for it) and the base ports don't conflict. The conflict is not obvious > in isa.h because few or no network ports are recorded there. > > Bruce > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jun 1 02:46:11 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA08167 for current-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 02:46:11 -0700 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA08161 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 02:46:09 -0700 Received: from cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <11145-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:45:42 +1000 Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id TAA15911; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:42:53 +1000 Received: from localhost by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id JAA16106; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:40:34 GMT Message-Id: <199506010940.JAA16106@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG cc: james@allmalt.cs.uwm.edu Subject: PAS16 broken when using a 16bit DMA channel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 19:40:32 +1000 From: Stephen Hocking Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk When configuring a 16bit DMA channel for the PAS (which it should be able to use) attempting to send sound down /dev/dsp causes a crash with a trashed screen, even without having X running. It goes OK (after a fashion I guess) when you use an 8bit channel. I'm following Jim Lowe's instructions for setting up a full dupex audio connection (which *almost* works - I think my machine is too slow). Stephen I do not speak for the Worker's Compensation Board of Queensland - They don't pay me enough for that! From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jun 1 06:23:59 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA16762 for current-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 06:23:59 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA16755 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 06:23:53 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA13614; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:23:16 +0800 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:23:15 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Terry Lambert cc: Mike Pritchard , rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, wsantee@wsantee.oz.net, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) In-Reply-To: <9505302003.AA11812@cs.weber.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 30 May 1995, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Nobody thinks the fact that AlterNET has been toast for the past 3 days > has anything to do with this? No... slow turnaround on the mailing lists has been evident since the day I joined them. I'm on a few closed developer lists that only have a couple to a few dozen people (also Majordomo lists) and feedback on that list is measured in minutes or tens of minutes. Also, I get "personal" replies to my FreeBSD list messages if they've been Cc'd to the original posters. Then a day or two later (or more), I see the same message appear in my list mailbox. Assuming the message left the other person's system at the same time, with one copy to me and the other to freebsd.org, it's rather evident the delay is caused by the list software. I can't offer any good solutions though. Turning this into a Usenet newsgroup has its advantages and disadvantages. Splitting the list into smaller subtopics won't work because each of the new lists will likely have close to the original number of subscribers. Gating a mailing list to a newsgroup is problematic. Chopping off inactive list subscribers after a certain period of inactivity seems too drastic to me. Perhaps turning this into a newsgroup would be the least evil alternative... *shrug* -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jun 1 06:27:05 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA16828 for current-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 06:27:05 -0700 Received: from allmalt.cs.uwm.edu (allmalt.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.35.21]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA16822 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 06:27:04 -0700 Received: (from james@localhost) by allmalt.cs.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id IAA21322; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:27:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:27:05 -0500 From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199506011327.IAA21322@allmalt.cs.uwm.edu> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: PAS16 broken when using a 16bit DMA channel Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > When configuring a 16bit DMA channel for the PAS (which it should be able to > use) attempting to send sound down /dev/dsp causes a crash with a trashed > screen, even without having X running. It goes OK (after a fashion I guess) > when you use an 8bit channel. I'm following Jim Lowe's instructions for > setting up a full dupex audio connection (which *almost* works - I think my > machine is too slow). I have run a PAS-16 card with a 16bit DMA channel. I havn't tried it recently since I have been working with gus & gus-max cards. Since you didn't supply a kernel configuration, do you have the following configured? controller snd0 device pas0 as isa? port 0x388 irq 10 drq 6 vector pasintr device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 vector sbintr device opl0 at isa? port 0x388 conflicts # with pas0 options EXCLUDE_SBPRO options "SBC_IRQ=5" # Must match irq on sb0 line. #options PAS_SYMPHONY # If you have a symphony chip set, pas0. #options BROKEN_BUS_CLOCK# If you have OPTI chips set, pas0. deivce pca0 at isa? PORT IO_TIMER1 tty This was the configuration I used the last time. The sb chip on the pas card can't do 16 bit DMA -- it is the old original chip. If I get a chance today, I will drop my pas card in my machine and make sure it works with this configuration. If you are still having troubles let me know and maybe I can figure something out for you. -Jim From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jun 1 09:10:22 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA23172 for current-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:10:22 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA23165 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:10:20 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA03279 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:10:19 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 1 Jun 95 11:10 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 1 Jun 95 11:10 CDT Message-Id: Subject: PS/2 mouse and 2.0.5 ALPHA To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:10:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lars Fredriksen" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1035 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, Well, I thought I had everything up and running fine! That was before I figured out that these NCR 3333 boxses uses a PS/2 style mouse, not a serial one. Sooo, I reconfigured the kernel, enabled psm0. Slik, 15min recompile(I needed to do that anyway), and off I go.. Wrong! Now neither the keyboard nor the mouse works! vmstat -i (thanks heaven for networks) shows that sc0 has 2 interrups on it while psm0 is not in there at all. The config lines for sc0 is from GENERIC and psm0 is from LINT. The manual says that irq12 is the right one for the mouse, so what is going on here? What is psm doing that freezes the keyboard? I am going to recompile the kernel with a bit of debugging in it to see if there is something obvious. In the meantime I figured I'd let the "net" work its magic, so if anyone has seen this, please let me know. Lars -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Lars Fredriksen fredriks@mcs.com (home) lars@fredriks.pr.mcs.net (home-home) fredriks@asiago.cs.wisc.edu From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jun 1 09:50:10 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA25079 for current-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:50:10 -0700 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA23819 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:33:06 -0700 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA03883 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:33:05 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 1 Jun 95 11:33 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 1 Jun 95 11:33 CDT Message-Id: Subject: PS/2 mouse and 2.0.5 ALPHA To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:33:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lars Fredriksen" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 566 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi again, Well, if I do the following: dd if=/dev/psm0 Then I recover my keyboard, so there must be something the psm driver do either in attach or in open that disables/enables the keyboard. Maybe I should just use xdm :-) I'll look to see if I see anything obvious. Lars PS. Having a program read /dev/psm0 enables the irq, and vmstat -i sees the psm0 interrupts now. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Lars Fredriksen fredriks@mcs.com (home) lars@fredriks.pr.mcs.net (home-home) fredriks@asiago.cs.wisc.edu From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jun 1 11:29:52 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA00503 for current-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:29:52 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA00396 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:28:57 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA04752; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:28:26 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id UAA07757 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:28:25 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA11266 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:28:01 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506011728.TAA11266@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:27:59 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-current users) In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Jun 1, 95 09:23:15 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 897 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Brian Tao wrote: > > On Tue, 30 May 1995, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > Nobody thinks the fact that AlterNET has been toast for the past 3 days > > has anything to do with this? > > No... slow turnaround on the mailing lists has been evident since > the day I joined them. [...] But, at least for me, the situation is extremely miserable these days. I guess, in addition to the normal mail load, freefall finally suffered from the CVS tree tag operation, causing a 2.5 MB CTM delta mailed out (34 messages per 72 KB). Perhaps it would be a better idea to move the CTM and sup load from freefall over to an additional host? The shipping of those CTM mails has been totally hosed this times. E.g., 9 out of the 34 chunks didn't even reach me. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jun 1 14:01:59 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA29963 for current-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:01:59 -0700 Received: from pelican.com (pelican.com [134.24.4.62]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA29169 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:59:16 -0700 Received: by pelican.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0sHHKY-000K0oC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 13:59 WET DST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 13:59 WET DST From: pete@pelican.com (Pete Carah) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) In-Reply-To: Organization: Pelican Consulting Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In article you write: >On Tue, 30 May 1995, Terry Lambert wrote: >> Nobody thinks the fact that AlterNET has been toast for the past 3 days >> has anything to do with this? And sprintlink over the weekend through part of Tuesday, and a few other smaller "backbone" isp's too... Sprintlink couldn't get from nynap to mae-east a lot of the time; this breaks lots of routes. > I can't offer any good solutions though. Turning this into a >Usenet newsgroup has its advantages and disadvantages. Splitting the >list into smaller subtopics won't work because each of the new lists >will likely have close to the original number of subscribers. Gating >a mailing list to a newsgroup is problematic. Though I do it here to local newsgroups, just to get the threaded reader. Much easier to follow subjects that way, even without references: lines. >Chopping off inactive >list subscribers after a certain period of inactivity seems too >drastic to me. Perhaps turning this into a newsgroup would be the >least evil alternative... *shrug* Well, I could put an exploder at interworld.net; don't know how much help that would be (or how easily majordomo slaves, etc.) It is T-1 connected with good paths to pacnap/mae-west and mae-east but (currently) a worse path (but mostly working) to nynap and cerfnet... Another exploder in europe somewhere might help a lot too. -- Pete From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jun 1 14:54:02 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA05136 for current-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:54:02 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA05123 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:53:57 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA29078; Thu, 1 Jun 95 23:53:12 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id AAA10048 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:05:57 +0200 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:05:57 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199506012205.AAA10048@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: sup is fetching whole src tree Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk The international lines are (at least in the academic networks - WIN) terribly slow these days. In addition to that it looks like sup is fetching a whole src tree - my sup processes hang on fetching the whole day and do not come to an end. Is it because the recent outages of thud/freefall? Or am I seeing white mice? :-) --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950531 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0531 #0: Wed May 31 06:16:35 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jun 1 15:48:14 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA09254 for current-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:48:14 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA09237 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:48:08 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id SAA27179; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:38:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:38:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) To: Pete Carah cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Pete Carah wrote: > Well, I could put an exploder at interworld.net; don't know how much > help that would be (or how easily majordomo slaves, etc.) It is T-1 > connected with good paths to pacnap/mae-west and mae-east but (currently) > a worse path (but mostly working) to nynap and cerfnet... i have modified bulk_mailer to work more easily with majordomo and hope to test it tonight. chat will be the guinea pig ;) if this does not cut mail times signifcantly, then let's try other options. bulk_mailer may be all we need. ;) Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jun 1 20:14:03 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA27354 for current-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:14:03 -0700 Received: from vax.cs.pitt.edu (vax.cs.pitt.edu [136.142.79.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA27344 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:13:59 -0700 Received: from w2xo.pgh.pa.us by vax.cs.pitt.edu (8.6.10/1.14) for ; id XAA15323; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:13:50 -0400 Received: by w2xo.pgh.pa.us (8.6.10/1.34) id XAA06084; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:12:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:12:49 -0400 From: durham@w2xo.pgh.pa.us (James C. Durham) Message-Id: <199506020312.XAA06084@w2xo.pgh.pa.us> To: -v@w2xo.pgh.pa.us, freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Installation floppy mount problem Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, Hope this hasn't been already dealt with, but installation of 2.0.5 with dos floppies fails because mount wants to see a block device and the only choices are raw devices. -Jim Durham From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jun 1 20:31:18 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA28890 for current-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:31:18 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA28882 ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:31:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: durham@w2xo.pgh.pa.us (James C. Durham) cc: -v@w2xo.pgh.pa.us, freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Installation floppy mount problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Jun 95 23:12:49 EDT." <199506020312.XAA06084@w2xo.pgh.pa.us> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 20:31:16 -0700 Message-ID: <28877.802063876@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Thanks, fixed in the latest floppies! > Hi, > Hope this hasn't been already dealt with, but installation > of 2.0.5 with dos floppies fails because mount wants to see > a block device and the only choices are raw devices. > > -Jim Durham From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jun 1 22:03:29 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA03326 for current-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:03:29 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA03320 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:03:28 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA27553; Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:56:31 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506020456.AA27553@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph P. Kukulies) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:56:31 MDT Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506012205.AAA10048@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph P. Kukulies" at Jun 2, 95 00:05:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > The international lines are (at least in the academic networks - WIN) > terribly slow these days. In addition to that it looks like > sup is fetching a whole src tree - my sup processes hang on fetching > the whole day and do not come to an end. > > Is it because the recent outages of thud/freefall? Or am I seeing > white mice? :-) As of this last Memorial Day weekend, AlterNet has replaced one or more [fried] ports on the router VIENNA1.VA.ALTERNET.NET. This is according to AlterNet themselves. There has also been some PacBell equipment dealing with leased lines in San Diego on the fritz the past couple of days; right now it seems to have been permanently fixed. The equipment for that particular interconnect has been replaced twice because of a cooling problem that they think is resolved (according to PacBell). The reroutining because of the bad port was bringing their ATM network to its knees because it was at near capacity (again, according to AlterNet -- please aregue that ATM is not an ugly baby with them, not me, Garrett). It was also affecting the SprintLink backbone which is ATM for similar reasons (this time according to Sprint -- again, you can argue that ATM isn't at fault with them, not me, since they are two of the larger ATM networks on the planet and they agree). Currently, the DC SprintLink hub (sl-dc-6-F0/0.sprintlink.net) is known to have at least one bad port (either the port going out to sl-dc-8-H1/0-T3.sprintlink.net or to sl-stk-5-H1/0-T3.sprintlink.net). Most other Internet backbone trouble spots are much less hot, at least as far as the US is concerned, as far as I know. Total downtime for this site has been a little over a week where the net was barely-usable-to-totally-unusable. I expect things will be happy until the next great catastrophe or until the backbone providers start sticking routing "fuses" for traffic overlead between their seperate backbones when the traffic originates on "alien" backbones. Oh, oh, what great fun we are having... Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jun 1 23:30:34 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA08062 for current-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:30:34 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA07786 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:27:00 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA24899; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:26:14 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA13175; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:26:13 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA13495; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:22:29 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506020622.IAA13495@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph P. Kukulies) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:22:28 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506012205.AAA10048@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph P. Kukulies" at Jun 2, 95 00:05:57 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 550 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Christoph P. Kukulies wrote: > > The international lines are (at least in the academic networks - WIN) > terribly slow these days. In addition to that it looks like > sup is fetching a whole src tree - my sup processes hang on fetching > the whole day and do not come to an end. remove all trailing white space? The CTM delta for the CVS tree for this "white space" action and the CVS tag was 2.5 MB. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 00:12:58 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA10263 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:12:58 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA10250 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:12:54 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA06826; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:08:20 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506020708.AAA06826@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506020622.IAA13495@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Jun 2, 95 08:22:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1008 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > As Christoph P. Kukulies wrote: > > > > The international lines are (at least in the academic networks - WIN) > > terribly slow these days. In addition to that it looks like > > sup is fetching a whole src tree - my sup processes hang on fetching > > the whole day and do not come to an end. > > remove all trailing white space? > > The CTM delta for the CVS tree for this "white space" action and > the CVS tag was 2.5 MB. Feel glad you are on CTM instead of sup. For sup featchers of cvs it meant a 130MB sup. For suppers of /usr/src it meant 3993 files or something close to that (*not* the whole 120MB of the source tree). I seem to recall Poul saying the ctm for src was 500K from me doing the white space clean. The cvs CTM delta was large due to the fact that a cvs tag operation adds 1 line per tag to every file that was tagged. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 00:30:29 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA11620 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:30:29 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA11612 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:30:25 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA29876; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:27:04 +1000 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:27:04 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506020727.RAA29876@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: avl@flox.kiam1.rssi.ru Subject: Re: bin/470: timed & timedc bugs Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > and very big time difference displayed > by > timedc clockdiff lotos >... >*** measure.c.orig Mon Mar 20 16:46:47 1995 >--- measure.c Mon Mar 20 20:07:49 1995 >*************** >*** 151,157 **** > */ > if (trials < TRIALS) { > trials++; >! oicp->icmp_otime = ((tcur.tv_sec % SECDAY) * 1000 > + tcur.tv_usec / 1000); > oicp->icmp_cksum = 0; > oicp->icmp_cksum = in_cksum((u_short*)oicp, >--- 151,157 ---- > */ > if (trials < TRIALS) { > trials++; >! oicp->icmp_otime = htonl((tcur.tv_sec % SECDAY) * 1000 > + tcur.tv_usec / 1000); > oicp->icmp_cksum = 0; > oicp->icmp_cksum = in_cksum((u_short*)oicp, This was fixed in revision 1.2 on 1994/11/27 a few days after FreeBSD-2.0 was released. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 01:02:14 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA13832 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:02:14 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA13818 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:02:03 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA30881; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:57:01 +1000 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:57:01 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506020757.RAA30881@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> The CTM delta for the CVS tree for this "white space" action and >> the CVS tag was 2.5 MB. >Feel glad you are on CTM instead of sup. For sup featchers of cvs >it meant a 130MB sup. For suppers of /usr/src it meant 3993 files >or something close to that (*not* the whole 120MB of the source >tree). This is a good reason to switch to CTM. >I seem to recall Poul saying the ctm for src was 500K from me doing >the white space clean. The cvs CTM delta was large due to the fact >that a cvs tag operation adds 1 line per tag to every file that was >tagged. Actually it was large because someone compressed the commitlogs. This caused CTM to send huge diffs to create all the new .gz files and huge diffs to truncate all the old files, about 2 * 750K altogether. The cvs tag operation compresses very well and only produces 500K of ctm updates. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 01:15:55 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA14427 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:15:55 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA14420 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:15:49 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA06959; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:14:58 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506020814.BAA06959@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD current) In-Reply-To: <199506020757.RAA30881@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 2, 95 05:57:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2467 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > >> The CTM delta for the CVS tree for this "white space" action and > >> the CVS tag was 2.5 MB. > > >Feel glad you are on CTM instead of sup. For sup featchers of cvs > >it meant a 130MB sup. For suppers of /usr/src it meant 3993 files > >or something close to that (*not* the whole 120MB of the source > >tree). > > This is a good reason to switch to CTM. And I would if it handled a few more small nits I like about sup, like putting files back I blow away, or handling of modification dates, owners, etc since I am doing the tape backups of the cvs tree these features are rather important to me :-). > >I seem to recall Poul saying the ctm for src was 500K from me doing > >the white space clean. The cvs CTM delta was large due to the fact > >that a cvs tag operation adds 1 line per tag to every file that was > >tagged. > > Actually it was large because someone compressed the commitlogs. Ahhh.. well... that was a sup optimization, since the log files where getting rather large and it would be nice to have a clean set of log files between 2.0.5A and 2.0.5R to see just what we did fix I felt it to be a good idea. I plan to roll these over again ever time I tag the tree. This should help a lot with production of ``what changed'' between revsions x.y and x.z. I also rolled over a 3.5MB history file, then forgot to roll it again after creating 1.2MB of history due to the tag operation. The history file will be rolled over again at the next tag. Basically expect the same kind of stuff to happen every time I kick folks out of the tree to tag, as I need a quite time to do this type of work (even to the point for history file rolling that no one can be running a cvs update operation as that does write to the history file. I had to redo my history filter 2 times because the input file changed while I was prenning out the ``WUCG'' records from the file. > This > caused CTM to send huge diffs to create all the new .gz files and huge > diffs to truncate all the old files, about 2 * 750K altogether. The cvs > tag operation compresses very well and only produces 500K of ctm > updates. Well, you still did a heck of a lot better than David and myself who ended up bulling the whole 140MB cvs tree (44MB compressed). I was without a coherent cvs tree for 17 hours :-(. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 08:58:19 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA14705 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:58:19 -0700 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA14699 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 08:58:18 -0700 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.3.6) id AA11040; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:58:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:58:14 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9506021558.AA11040@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree In-Reply-To: <9506020456.AA27553@cs.weber.edu> References: <199506012205.AAA10048@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> <9506020456.AA27553@cs.weber.edu> Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk < AlterNet -- please aregue that ATM is not an ugly baby with them, not > me, Garrett Where the hell did you get the idea that I thought otherwise? -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 09:33:59 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA16545 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:33:59 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA16330 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:33:51 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA24673 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:29:09 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id JAA03898; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:15:20 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506021615.JAA03898@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de In-Reply-To: <199506020757.RAA30881@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 2, 95 05:57:01 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 567 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Actually it was large because someone compressed the commitlogs. This > caused CTM to send huge diffs to create all the new .gz files and huge > diffs to truncate all the old files, about 2 * 750K altogether. The cvs > tag operation compresses very well and only produces 500K of ctm > updates. I certainly hope the diff to remove the old stuff wasn't huge, that would be a bug... -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 09:57:48 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA17683 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:57:48 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA17670 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:57:36 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19236; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:57:33 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id SAA16129 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:57:32 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA14501 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:12:57 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506021612.SAA14501@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:12:56 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-current users) In-Reply-To: <199506020757.RAA30881@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 2, 95 05:57:01 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 663 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Bruce Evans wrote: > > Actually it was large because someone compressed the commitlogs. This > caused CTM to send huge diffs to create all the new .gz files and huge > diffs to truncate all the old files, about 2 * 750K altogether. The cvs > tag operation compresses very well and only produces 500K of ctm > updates. Perhaps the compressed commit logs should be excluded from the CTM distribution? There's not much sense in mirroring them (if someone needs them, he can still fetch them from freefall). Poul? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 10:19:44 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA18539 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:19:44 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA18527 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:19:38 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA24639 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:23:48 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id JAA03885; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:12:45 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506021612.JAA03885@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506020708.AAA06826@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 2, 95 00:08:20 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 491 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I seem to recall Poul saying the ctm for src was 500K from me doing > the white space clean. The cvs CTM delta was large due to the fact > that a cvs tag operation adds 1 line per tag to every file that was > tagged. > ctm-src was 500k and ctm-cvs was 2.5 M. And make that 3 lines for the three tags :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 10:42:36 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA20254 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:42:36 -0700 Received: from bigdipper.iagi.net (bigdipper.iagi.net [198.6.14.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA20248 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:42:34 -0700 Received: (from adhir@localhost) by bigdipper.iagi.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA16505; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:37:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:37:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Alok K. Dhir" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SUP question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hold the flames everyone! I also seem to have missed the message which was allegedly posted to this list regarding the status of SUPing. I am at a (roughly) 5/26/95 SUP level and would like to up all the way to 2.0.5A if possible. The SUP server, however, is currently not available for a reason unbeknownst to me (but apparently beknownst (is that a word?) to every one else). Some help? Thanks! Alok K. Dhir Internet Access Group, Inc. adhir@iagi.net (301) 652-0484 Fax: (301) 652-0649 http://www.iagi.net From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 11:25:12 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA23731 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:25:12 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA23719 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:25:08 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA28481; Fri, 2 Jun 95 12:18:21 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9506021818.AA28481@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree To: wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 95 12:18:20 MDT Cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <9506021558.AA11040@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at Jun 2, 95 11:58:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > AlterNet -- please aregue that ATM is not an ugly baby with them, not > > me, Garrett > > Where the hell did you get the idea that I thought otherwise? Well, lately I've been posting quotes from them (admittedly, I didn't clearly mark them as such) and you accused me of not knowing what I was talking about. The gist of what I posted was that "ATM is an ugly baby". I thought you were defending ATM. Sorry to have implied that you were guilty of such a heinous crime. 8-) 8-). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 15:22:34 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA20852 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:22:34 -0700 Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu (archive@cps201.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.201]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA20844 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:22:32 -0700 Received: (from archive@localhost) by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA25273; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:22:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:22:24 -0400 (EDT) From: CMU Mail Archive X-Sender: archive@cps201 Reply-To: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu To: mbailey@cps.cmich.edu cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: SUP In-Reply-To: <9506021818.AA28481@cs.weber.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk There is a "supfile" in ftp.cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current that does NOT work. Should this be fixed? Just curious please let me know the status. Thanks Matthew S. Bailey From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 15:26:25 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA21117 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:26:25 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA21108 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:26:24 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:26:04 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: Pete Carah , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Pete Carah wrote: > > > Well, I could put an exploder at interworld.net; don't know how much > > help that would be (or how easily majordomo slaves, etc.) It is T-1 > > connected with good paths to pacnap/mae-west and mae-east but (currently) > > a worse path (but mostly working) to nynap and cerfnet... > > i have modified bulk_mailer to work more easily with majordomo > and hope to test it tonight. chat will be the guinea pig ;) > Hmmm, what did you change? > if this does not cut mail times signifcantly, then let's try > other options. bulk_mailer may be all we need. ;) I thought that was all is needed except maybe more RAM ;) Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD - Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 17:11:56 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA03908 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:11:56 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA03902 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:11:53 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id UAA11086; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:02:12 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:02:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) To: -Vince- cc: Pete Carah , current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, -Vince- wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > i have modified bulk_mailer to work more easily with majordomo > > and hope to test it tonight. chat will be the guinea pig ;) > > > > Hmmm, what did you change? bulk_mailer expects to get clean addresses with no extraneous material. i added a '-m' flag to strip this material so it can use majordomo list files directly, if needed. added a '-S' to limit the number of sendmail processes (needs testing) added a '-N' to limit the number of hosts per envelope (needs testing) comments as i figured out what was happening in each function comment at the top of all non-trivial functions to doc their behavior that's all i remember of the top of my head. > > if this does not cut mail times signifcantly, then let's try > > other options. bulk_mailer may be all we need. ;) > > I thought that was all is needed except maybe more RAM ;) well, there are those clammoring for other services as well jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 18:12:53 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA09901 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:12:53 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (root@penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA09892 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:12:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:12:36 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: Pete Carah , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, -Vince- wrote: > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > > i have modified bulk_mailer to work more easily with majordomo > > > and hope to test it tonight. chat will be the guinea pig ;) > > > > > > > Hmmm, what did you change? > > bulk_mailer expects to get clean addresses with no extraneous > material. i added a '-m' flag to strip this material so it can use > majordomo list files directly, if needed. > > added a '-S' to limit the number of sendmail processes (needs testing) > > added a '-N' to limit the number of hosts per envelope (needs testing) > > comments as i figured out what was happening in each function > > comment at the top of all non-trivial functions to doc their behavior > > that's all i remember of the top of my head. > Hmmm, okay, any chance of making the modified one available since your headers don't have that warning line that mines has ;) > > > if this does not cut mail times signifcantly, then let's try > > > other options. bulk_mailer may be all we need. ;) > > > > I thought that was all is needed except maybe more RAM ;) > > well, there are those clammoring for other services as well I know but it will go out faster and won't hog as much of the system resources if you had more RAM ;) Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 18:19:00 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA10084 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:19:00 -0700 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA10078 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:18:59 -0700 Received: by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.10/1.33(web)-OV4) id SAA04095; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:18:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:18:57 -0700 (PDT) From: David Michael Holloway Subject: install problems To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG cc: jkh@violet.berkeley.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk ok , here is my list of install problems I started with the early morning june 1st floppyes first problem was that it could not mount my dos filesystems second problem, it never asked for my copy of root.flp then toady i dnload the most recent floppies. first problem, it might have trashed one of my dos partitions I am not certain, maybe I did it myself. I like the fact that 2.0's install let you actually write any changed all at once, rather than on the fly. it was also nice to be able to switch back and forth between disks to have a look at the partitions before you commited to anything. second problem it could not decide whether or not it could install bindist it let you wait to do it later, you did, then it asked again if you want to do bindist later ?? third problem, or gripe, in the network setup. why could i not select say cuaa2 or cuaa3??? as a slip/ppp device?. 4th problem and this is a serious one, it timed out on my scsi /dev/st0 I put /usr/local from 2.0 on tape, as well as sources and so on so I wonder if a tape install would work or not, but I cannot test that at this time. have fun. David Holloway From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 18:41:59 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA11009 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:41:59 -0700 Received: from vax.cs.pitt.edu (vax.cs.pitt.edu [136.142.79.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA11003 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:41:56 -0700 Received: from w2xo.pgh.pa.us by vax.cs.pitt.edu (8.6.10/1.14) for ; id VAA20213; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:41:46 -0400 Received: by w2xo.pgh.pa.us (8.6.10/1.34) id VAA00238; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:40:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:40:55 -0400 From: durham@w2xo.pgh.pa.us (James C. Durham) Message-Id: <199506030140.VAA00238@w2xo.pgh.pa.us> To: -v@w2xo.pgh.pa.us, freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: more trouble with floppy install script Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk The problem with raw device/block device seems to be fixed in the boot floppy. However... now , after installing the root floppy, the system asks for a media floppy and then refuses to mount it, saying "Device Busy". Perhaps it mounts the root floppy and then does not unmount it, or it is cd'd to /mnt or whatever? Just a teeny comment. The old install had an escape to a shell so you could at least fix some of these problems. Can this be done again? Thanks...know you're busy... -Jim Durham From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 18:54:09 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA12682 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:54:09 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA12675 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:54:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: durham@w2xo.pgh.pa.us (James C. Durham) cc: -v@w2xo.pgh.pa.us, freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: more trouble with floppy install script In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Jun 95 21:40:55 EDT." <199506030140.VAA00238@w2xo.pgh.pa.us> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 18:54:07 -0700 Message-ID: <12674.802144447@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > The problem with raw device/block device seems to be fixed in the > boot floppy. However... now , after installing the root floppy, the > system asks for a media floppy and then refuses to mount it, saying > "Device Busy". Perhaps it mounts the root floppy and then does not > unmount it, or it is cd'd to /mnt or whatever? I'm still waiting for feedback from Poul/Gary on the latest floppies I generated and will move them up to freefall if they pass muster. > Just a teeny comment. The old install had an escape to a shell so you could > at least fix some of these problems. Can this be done again? It's on ALT-F4, just as soon as creating such a shell makes sense. Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 21:09:23 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA19688 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:09:23 -0700 Received: from blitz.cs.pitt.edu (blitz.cs.pitt.edu [136.142.79.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA19682 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:09:22 -0700 Received: (jcd@localhost) by blitz.cs.pitt.edu (8.6.9/8.6.5) id AAA15342 for freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 00:09:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 95 0:09:21 EDT From: Jim Durham To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: floppy installation of 2.0.5-ALPHA Message-ID: Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk My net provider just went flat-line, so I'm using a machine at Pitt...oh well.. The problem with the floppy installation is that the device /dev/fd0a returns "busy" whenever you try to mount it. It does not appear to be mounted anywhere. Looking from the ALT-F4 shell, it also appears that the first slice of wd0 is wierd. It shows up as "wd0a", I think it wants to be "wd0s2a" ?? It is mounted on /mnt. If this is true, where does the floppy mount? I tried making another directory and mounting /dev/fd0a on it, but still got the "busy" message. Thanks... Jim Durham PS, the slice does show up as "wd0s2a" in the "Partition" and "Label" menu stuff... From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 21:29:38 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA21062 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:29:38 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA21053 ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:29:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Jim Durham cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: floppy installation of 2.0.5-ALPHA In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 00:09:21 EDT." Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 21:29:36 -0700 Message-ID: <21052.802153776@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > The problem with the floppy installation is that the device /dev/fd0a > returns "busy" whenever you try to mount it. It does not appear to be Hmmm. I need to look into this more, thanks. Floppy detection is really giving me a pain, and my decision to go with fds rather that FILE *'s has robbed me of any pushback! :-( Clearly someone has still got hold of the floppy.. I will check that the close from the root floppy extract is happening properly. > mounted anywhere. Looking from the ALT-F4 shell, it also appears that > the first slice of wd0 is wierd. It shows up as "wd0a", I think it > wants to be "wd0s2a" ?? It is mounted on /mnt. If this is true, where No, that's actually correct. I have to to to extra trouble to turn the correct "wd0s2a" into "wd0a" (one of the compatibility slice names) since the boot blocks cannot currently deal with slices. I'm stuck with the old name for root partitions.. :-( Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 21:34:55 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA21629 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:34:55 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA21617 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:34:48 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA00091 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:33:26 +1000 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:33:26 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506030433.OAA00091@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Perhaps the compressed commit logs should be excluded from the CTM >distribution? There's not much sense in mirroring them (if someone >needs them, he can still fetch them from freefall). I haven't found much use for the uncompressed commit logs either. They are too large to read linearly, and for random access it's easier to read the log messages in the repository files using `cvs log'. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 22:03:18 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA27692 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:03:18 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA27684 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:03:16 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA09376; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:02:15 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506030502.WAA09376@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506030433.OAA00091@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 3, 95 02:33:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1258 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > >Perhaps the compressed commit logs should be excluded from the CTM > >distribution? There's not much sense in mirroring them (if someone > >needs them, he can still fetch them from freefall). > > I haven't found much use for the uncompressed commit logs either. > They are too large to read linearly, and for random access it's > easier to read the log messages in the repository files using > `cvs log'. Except when you want to see what *group* of files comprized a commit, as a person who often has to track things down these log files are priceless. I will agree for joy blow average commiter they are not needed, but if you have ever had to go pull a whole patch out of the tree as it was commited the only way to find it is in these log files! These log files since they are now rolled over and the current versions of them reflect *only* the change from 2.0.5A to 2.0.5R will be valuable in preparing release notes. They will be more valuable between 2.0.5R and 2.1R since the I plan to roll them again then. [Well, if I can get the deletion of the Branch: keyword fixed any way :-(] -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 22:43:25 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA00646 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:43:25 -0700 Received: from Adonis.Dorm10.NCTU.edu.tw (Adonis.Dorm10.NCTU.edu.tw [140.113.145.84]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA00522 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:42:10 -0700 Received: (from jdli@localhost) by Adonis.Dorm10.NCTU.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA11562 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:41:54 +0800 From: "開始喜歡秋天了..." Message-Id: <199506030541.NAA11562@Adonis.Dorm10.NCTU.edu.tw> Subject: rpcinfo on 2.0.5-ALPHA To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:41:54 +0800 (CST) Reply-To: jdli@csie.nctu.edu.tw X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 851 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi : I just upgraded to 2.0.5-ALPHA from 0412-SNAP. And when I use "rpcinfo -p", it will have error messages.... # rpcinfo -p clnttcp_create: RPC: Program not registered clnttcp_create: RPC: Program not registered [ lots of these deleted ] clnttcp_create: RPC: Program not registered clnttcp_create: RPC: Program not registered program vers proto port 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper 100000 2 udp 111 portmapper 100005 1 udp 673 mountd 100003 2 udp 2049 nfs 100003 2 tcp 2049 nfs 100001 1 udp 1027 rstatd 100001 2 udp 1027 rstatd 100001 3 udp 1027 rstatd 100002 1 udp 1028 rusersd 100002 2 udp 1028 rusersd 100008 1 udp 1029 walld -- Mail: jdli@csie.nctu.edu.tw From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 23:09:56 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA04461 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:09:56 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA04423 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:09:46 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA03807; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:07:31 +1000 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:07:31 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506030607.QAA03807@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> I haven't found much use for the uncompressed commit logs either. >Except when you want to see what *group* of files comprized a commit, >as a person who often has to track things down these log files are >priceless. >I will agree for joy blow average commiter they are not needed, but >if you have ever had to go pull a whole patch out of the tree as >it was commited the only way to find it is in these log files! Good luck for extracting the `trailing whitespace' changes from the info in the current log files :-). You get a complete list of the files but not revision numbers. Cross referencing in cvs seems weak. Is this because I don't know any admin commands? There are many log messages that tell you about dozens of files changed except of course for the file that you are interested in. Sometimes it is important to commit a bunch of interdependent changes at the same time for consistency, and then `cvs commit' doesn't allow the log message to vary for files in the same directory. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jun 2 23:19:08 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA05499 for current-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:19:08 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA05490 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:19:05 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA09594; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:18:30 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506030618.XAA09594@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506030607.QAA03807@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 3, 95 04:07:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2135 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > >> I haven't found much use for the uncompressed commit logs either. > > >Except when you want to see what *group* of files comprized a commit, > >as a person who often has to track things down these log files are > >priceless. > > >I will agree for joy blow average commiter they are not needed, but > >if you have ever had to go pull a whole patch out of the tree as > >it was commited the only way to find it is in these log files! > > Good luck for extracting the `trailing whitespace' changes from the > info in the current log files :-). You get a complete list of the > files but not revision numbers. Well, I happen to know right where that sits, so it is a bad example, it will be the revision right after the 2.0.5A tag. I could also use the date of the commit log entry to get to those files. Remeber there is both cvs -r and cvs -D options. > Cross referencing in cvs seems weak. Is this because I don't know > any admin commands? Your right cross referencing is very poor. I find the commit in the log files and then stuff them into a file and turn it into a small shell script that does grep -A 8 filename to find the version numbers. It is a pain!! > There are many log messages that tell you about > dozens of files changed except of course for the file that you are > interested in. Sometimes it is important to commit a bunch of > interdependent changes at the same time for consistency, and then > `cvs commit' doesn't allow the log message to vary for files in the > same directory. cvs commit *does* allow the log message to vary for the files in the same directory, you just have to use it more intelegently. cvs commit -m 'message for first set of files' file1 file2 file3; cvs commit -m 'message for second set of files' file3 file4 file5; :-) And if they fixed the bugs with pathnames to files on a commit command in CVS 1.4 (have not tested this so don't know) the fileN above should be able to be paths and not just simple files. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 02:51:20 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA27418 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:51:20 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA27392 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:51:16 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43049>; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:50:51 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA04761; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:50:23 +0200 Message-Id: <199506030950.LAA04761@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans), freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 1995 07:02:15 +0200." <199506030502.WAA09376@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:50:23 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > >Perhaps the compressed commit logs should be excluded from the CTM > > >distribution? There's not much sense in mirroring them (if someone > > >needs them, he can still fetch them from freefall). What logs where ? would they be any good to help me trawl gnu/usr.bin/groff loking for what broke the overstrike macro I used to use ? (that broke a few weeks back) ? Julian S From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 03:44:58 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA08241 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 03:44:58 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA08225 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 03:44:50 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA14164; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:40:44 +1000 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:40:44 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506031040.UAA14164@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> > >Perhaps the compressed commit logs should be excluded from the CTM >> > >distribution? There's not much sense in mirroring them (if someone >> > >needs them, he can still fetch them from freefall). >What logs where ? would they be any good to help me trawl gnu/usr.bin/groff >loking for what broke the overstrike macro I used to use ? >(that broke a few weeks back) ? Just the usual cvs commit logs. They _are_ more useful than `cvs log' output for finding things - I just tried `cvs log' in groff and got 390K of output for the 777 files in groff although we've only made small changes to about 77 of these files. groff hasn't changed significantly since 1995/03/17 when ngroff was named to groff. Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 09:49:38 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA02571 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:49:38 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA02564 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:49:31 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA15257; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:48:19 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506031648.JAA15257@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree To: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Julian Howard Stacey) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506030950.LAA04761@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian Howard Stacey" at Jun 3, 95 11:50:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 908 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > > >Perhaps the compressed commit logs should be excluded from the CTM > > > >distribution? There's not much sense in mirroring them (if someone > > > >needs them, he can still fetch them from freefall). > > What logs where ? would they be any good to help me trawl gnu/usr.bin/groff > loking for what broke the overstrike macro I used to use ? > (that broke a few weeks back) ? The cvs commit logs that are stored as ~ncvs/CVSROOT/commitlogs/*, please go read the cvs-FAQ-2.3 from ftp.think.com:/pub/cvs. Also read all the cvs man pages, and then come ask me to put you back into cvs commit :-) [No, I won't remove you but please, do go read this documentation again if you have not already I should not have granted you cvs access :-(] -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 09:52:15 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA02657 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:52:15 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA02649 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:52:08 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA15278; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:51:02 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506031651.JAA15278@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 09:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD current) In-Reply-To: <199506031040.UAA14164@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Jun 3, 95 08:40:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1128 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > >> > >Perhaps the compressed commit logs should be excluded from the CTM > >> > >distribution? There's not much sense in mirroring them (if someone > >> > >needs them, he can still fetch them from freefall). > > >What logs where ? would they be any good to help me trawl gnu/usr.bin/groff > >loking for what broke the overstrike macro I used to use ? > >(that broke a few weeks back) ? > > Just the usual cvs commit logs. They _are_ more useful than `cvs log' > output for finding things - I just tried `cvs log' in groff and got > 390K of output for the 777 files in groff although we've only made > small changes to about 77 of these files. groff hasn't changed > significantly since 1995/03/17 when ngroff was named to groff. Gee, and just 40 mails ago you thought that they where pretty useless!! Gota love it when this happens. So I take it I wont have much of a problem convincing _you_ that we should keep them in the ctm and sup file collections :-) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 12:18:39 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA15036 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:18:39 -0700 Received: from debian.cps.cmich.edu (root@debian.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.21.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA15022 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:18:35 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by debian.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA15340; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:18:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:18:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Charlie ROOT To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Todays disk set problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Using the FTP INSTALL :) with site ftp.cdrom.com aka ftp.freebsd.org This is what I get from the debug screen DEBUG: received <150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for floppies/root.flp (346624 bytes).> DEBUG: Notify: Loading root image from ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.0.5-ALPHA ....... gunzip: stdin: decompression OK, trailing garbage ignored ....... 1463 blocks DEBUG: FtpEOF(ftp) DEBUG: received <226 Transfer complete.> DEBUG: distExtract: parent: (none), me: bin DEBUG: FtpGet(ftp,bin/bin.tgz) This I don't this is correct I am assuming that this should 1 get the file bin.tgz out of inside the bin directory OR get the bin directory as a .tgz file continues as DEBUG: send DEBUG: received <200 Type set to I.> DEBUG: send DEBUG: received <200 PORT command successful.> DEBUG: send DEBUG: received <550 bin/bin.tgz: No such file OR directory.> Then is hangs right there not ever asking for an different site like I asked it to. Jordan I figure this one is prolly all yours :) Please forgive typo's I have to retype that damn shit :) Thanks Matthew S. Bailey Journey Communications, Inc. mbailey@journey.com mbailey@misha.net From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 12:26:32 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA15757 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:26:32 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA15721 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:26:27 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA11763; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:26:24 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA24489 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:26:23 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA22766 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:56:39 +0200 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199506031856.UAA22766@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:56:39 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-current users) In-Reply-To: <199506031651.JAA15278@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 3, 95 09:51:01 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 704 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > Just the usual cvs commit logs. They _are_ more useful than `cvs log' > > output for finding things ... > Gee, and just 40 mails ago you thought that they where pretty useless!! > > Gota love it when this happens. So I take it I wont have much of a > problem convincing _you_ that we should keep them in the ctm and sup > file collections :-) Neither did _I_ vote against them. All i did was voting against distributing the _compressed_ logs, too, via CTM (since they have been causing 2/3 of the last large CTM delta). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 13:16:40 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA21433 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:16:40 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA21421 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:16:37 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id WAA09699 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 22:16:33 +0200 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id WAA07893 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 22:16:33 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.frmug.fr.net (8.7.Beta.1/keltia-uucp-2.1) id WAA13762 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 22:15:49 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199506032015.WAA13762@keltia.frmug.fr.net> Subject: Some Makefiles incorrectly set LDADD To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Current Users' list) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 22:15:48 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-19950602 ctm#733 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Some programs incorrectly set LDADD with "=" and not "+=" in the Makefile. I found this when attempting to replace BSD malloc by Doug Lea's malloc. Examples: date/Makefile:LDADD= -lutil mv/Makefile:LDADD= -lutil ps/Makefile:LDADD= -lm -lkvm rcp/Makefile:LDADD= -lkrb -ldes sh/Makefile:LDADD= -ll -ledit -ltermcap Why is there no "+=" ? Is this intentional ? BTW I've done a port that generate libdlmalloc.so.2.5 and libdlmalloc.a. There is no man. Asami, do you want now or do you prefer to wait for code freeze's lift ? -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950602 #1: Fri Jun 2 21:01:56 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 13:26:52 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA22324 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:26:52 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA22315 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:26:49 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA16847; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:26:26 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506032026.NAA16847@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Some Makefiles incorrectly set LDADD To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506032015.WAA13762@keltia.frmug.fr.net> from "Ollivier Robert" at Jun 3, 95 10:15:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 900 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Some programs incorrectly set LDADD with "=" and not "+=" in the Makefile. > I found this when attempting to replace BSD malloc by Doug Lea's malloc. > > Examples: > > date/Makefile:LDADD= -lutil > mv/Makefile:LDADD= -lutil > ps/Makefile:LDADD= -lm -lkvm > rcp/Makefile:LDADD= -lkrb -ldes > sh/Makefile:LDADD= -ll -ledit -ltermcap ^^^ LDADD should not be set with a += in a Makefile unless that Makefile has mutliple LDADD lines with in it. > Why is there no "+=" ? Is this intentional ? gndrsh# cd /usr/src gndrsh# vi `kfind -l LDADD+=` Look at a bunch of them a notice that we seem to be very inconsistent here, but the ones I look at may have LDADD's in ../Makefile.inc that I did not check for. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 13:51:49 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA25434 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:51:49 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA25422 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:51:46 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:51:46 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199506032051.NAA25422@freefall.cdrom.com> To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > Cross referencing in cvs seems weak. Is this because I don't know > > any admin commands? > > Your right cross referencing is very poor. I find the commit in > the log files and then stuff them into a file and turn it into > a small shell script that does grep -A 8 filename to find the > version numbers. It is a pain!! It is possible to save the rcs ids in the log file if one so desires. The standard loginfo.pl does this. From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 13:53:42 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA25637 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:53:42 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA25625 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:53:38 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA17089; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:53:21 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506032053.NAA17089@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree To: hsu@freefall.cdrom.com (Jeffrey Hsu) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506032051.NAA25422@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jeffrey Hsu" at Jun 3, 95 01:51:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 792 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > > > Cross referencing in cvs seems weak. Is this because I don't know > > > any admin commands? > > > > Your right cross referencing is very poor. I find the commit in > > the log files and then stuff them into a file and turn it into > > a small shell script that does grep -A 8 filename to find the > > version numbers. It is a pain!! > > It is possible to save the rcs ids in the log file if one so desires. The > standard loginfo.pl does this. > Thanks for the pointer, while I am in fixing the missing Branch: info I will see what it takes to pull this out of loginfo.pl and add it to our rather custom version. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 14:48:20 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA02367 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:48:20 -0700 Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu (archive@cps201.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.201]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA02329 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:48:10 -0700 Received: (from archive@localhost) by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA07420; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:48:07 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:48:06 -0400 (EDT) From: CMU Mail Archive X-Sender: archive@cps201 Reply-To: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com cc: freebsd-commit@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Install gripe :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 Jun 1995, CMU Mail Archive wrote: > The one this I notice is that they are using installer@machine.domain for > the ftp login password. As an archive admin I hope that that is a Valid > mailing address incase I need to mail that use two days later. Meaning it > should either be 1. Postmaster 2. root 3. add installer to /etc/aliases > > Just my comment. Todays disks look great! > Keep up the good work guys/gals ! > Sorry I was reading -current at the time and mistyped the header this should be on -current. Sorry about that. :) Matthew S. Bailey From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 14:51:30 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA02794 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:51:30 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA02784 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:51:28 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA10094 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:51:21 +0200 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id XAA08208 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:51:20 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.frmug.fr.net (8.7.Beta.1/keltia-uucp-2.1) id XAA15301; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:48:33 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199506032148.XAA15301@keltia.frmug.fr.net> Subject: Re: Some Makefiles incorrectly set LDADD To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:48:33 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) In-Reply-To: <199506032026.NAA16847@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 3, 95 01:26:25 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-19950602 ctm#733 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It seems that Rodney W. Grimes said: > > sh/Makefile:LDADD= -ll -ledit -ltermcap > ^^^ > LDADD should not be set with a += in a Makefile unless that Makefile > has mutliple LDADD lines with in it. Yeah, you're right. I should have think about it first... I was just looking for a way to add a "-ldlmalloc" for every program in /etc/make.conf with the LDADD variable and some programs just ignored the variable. My goal is to replace BSD malloc with DL'malloc with minimal patching (i.e. without patching libc). Anyway, I just made a port for libdlmalloc. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950602 #1: Fri Jun 2 21:01:56 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 16:43:04 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA14682 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:43:04 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA14673 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:43:03 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:43:03 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199506032343.QAA14673@freefall.cdrom.com> To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree Cc: current Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > It is possible to save the rcs ids in the log file if one so desires. The > standard loginfo.pl does this. > Thanks for the pointer, while I am in fixing the missing Branch: info I will see what it takes to pull this out of loginfo.pl and add it to our rather custom version. While you're at it, how about making our custom version perl 5 clean? From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 16:48:01 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA15281 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:48:01 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA15270 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:48:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Charlie ROOT cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Todays disk set problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 95 15:18:33 EDT." Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 16:47:59 -0700 Message-ID: <15269.802223279@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > This I don't this is correct I am assuming that this should 1 get the > file bin.tgz out of inside the bin directory OR get the bin directory as > a .tgz file > > continues as > DEBUG: send > DEBUG: received <200 Type set to I.> > DEBUG: send > DEBUG: received <200 PORT command successful.> > DEBUG: send > DEBUG: received <550 bin/bin.tgz: No such file OR directory.> No, that's actually fine - it should look for the .tgz first then go on to pick up the piece files only if it can't find a complete one (you can speed things up a fair bit by caching local copies of the pieces already concatenated together in one .tgz file). > Then is hangs right there not ever asking for an different site like I > asked it to. Hmmm! This didn't happen to us.. :-( I'll try to reproduce this! Jordan From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 17:07:48 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA18129 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:07:48 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA18115 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:07:44 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA32034; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 10:04:47 +1000 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 10:04:47 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199506040004.KAA32034@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr Subject: Re: Some Makefiles incorrectly set LDADD Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >LDADD should not be set with a += in a Makefile unless that Makefile >has mutliple LDADD lines with in it. >> Why is there no "+=" ? Is this intentional ? >gndrsh# cd /usr/src >gndrsh# vi `kfind -l LDADD+=` >Look at a bunch of them a notice that we seem to be very inconsistent >here, but the ones I look at may have LDADD's in ../Makefile.inc that >I did not check for. In /usr/src/*bin/*/Makefile, there are 75 LDADD's, 3 correct LDADD+='s (after an LDADD= in the same file) and 12 bogus LDADD+='s, almost all of which are not in 4.4lite. LDADD+= is bogus because any definition of LDADD in a central header is bogus. Defining LDADD in a central header would be bogus because the everything would be linked to the libraries in it and there would be no way to override these libraries (+= usually adds to the wrong end of the list for libraries). Bruce From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 17:23:24 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA19933 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:23:24 -0700 Received: from vax.cs.pitt.edu (vax.cs.pitt.edu [136.142.79.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA19925 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:23:22 -0700 Received: from w2xo.pgh.pa.us by vax.cs.pitt.edu (8.6.10/1.14) for ; id UAA23408; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:23:12 -0400 Received: by w2xo.pgh.pa.us (8.6.10/1.34) id UAA00407; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:22:22 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:22:22 -0400 From: durham@w2xo.pgh.pa.us (James C. Durham) Message-Id: <199506040022.UAA00407@w2xo.pgh.pa.us> To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: 2.0 installed "by hand" Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi.. The floppy installation is getting closer! The only remaining problem (I hope) is that it looks for *all* the files of a distribution on one floppy. It loaded bin.aa-bin.af and then said.."Hey..I can't find bin.ag...Goodbye!.. or whatever. I exited to the shell and did the untarring "by hand" and it's up and running. It hasn't eaten anything ....yet. Thanks, Orchids to all...etc..nice job -Jim Durham BTW... the video is *fast*.... Looks like a video switcher! From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 17:50:51 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA21622 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:50:51 -0700 Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu (mbailey@cps201.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.201]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA21616 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:50:49 -0700 Received: (from mbailey@localhost) by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA08579; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:50:43 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:50:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Bailey X-Sender: mbailey@cps201 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com, mbailey@cps.cmich.edu Subject: Re: Todays disk set problems In-Reply-To: <15269.802223279@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 Jun 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > No, that's actually fine - it should look for the .tgz first then go > on to pick up the piece files only if it can't find a complete one > (you can speed things up a fair bit by caching local copies of the > pieces already concatenated together in one .tgz file). Hrmm ok I will give that a try > > > Then is hangs right there not ever asking for an different site like I > > asked it to. > > Hmmm! This didn't happen to us.. :-( I'll try to reproduce this! > It sat for 2 hours I don't think it was going anywhere :-( Would be nice if our archive was added :) Thanks Matthew S. Bailey From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 19:09:14 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA06476 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:09:14 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA06457 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:09:00 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id TAA14701; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:06:25 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199506040206.TAA14701@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Some Makefiles incorrectly set LDADD To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506032026.NAA16847@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Jun 3, 95 01:26:25 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 646 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > date/Makefile:LDADD= -lutil > > mv/Makefile:LDADD= -lutil > > ps/Makefile:LDADD= -lm -lkvm > > rcp/Makefile:LDADD= -lkrb -ldes > > sh/Makefile:LDADD= -ll -ledit -ltermcap > ^^^ > LDADD should not be set with a += in a Makefile unless that Makefile > has mutliple LDADD lines with in it. Well, then we will have no easy way to do for instance what the original message said, recompile everything with a particular library :-( -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 20:46:25 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA12226 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:46:25 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA12220 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:46:21 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA18045; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:46:03 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506040346.UAA18045@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: sup is fetching whole src tree To: hsu@freefall.cdrom.com (Jeffrey Hsu) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199506032343.QAA14673@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jeffrey Hsu" at Jun 3, 95 04:43:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 789 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > It is possible to save the rcs ids in the log file if one so desires. The > > standard loginfo.pl does this. > > > > Thanks for the pointer, while I am in fixing the missing Branch: info > I will see what it takes to pull this out of loginfo.pl and add it to > our rather custom version. > > While you're at it, how about making our custom version perl 5 clean? I am *NOT* a perl hacker, I can just scrap by fixing broken things. That and can it be made to be both perl 4.136 and 5.0 clean? Remeber, FreeFall runs releases, not the cutting edge, and the release is and will be for some time at perl 4.136. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 21:14:15 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA13268 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:14:15 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA13262 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:14:13 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA18199; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:12:32 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506040412.VAA18199@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Some Makefiles incorrectly set LDADD To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199506040206.TAA14701@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Jun 3, 95 07:06:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 987 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > > date/Makefile:LDADD= -lutil > > > mv/Makefile:LDADD= -lutil > > > ps/Makefile:LDADD= -lm -lkvm > > > rcp/Makefile:LDADD= -lkrb -ldes > > > sh/Makefile:LDADD= -ll -ledit -ltermcap > > ^^^ > > LDADD should not be set with a += in a Makefile unless that Makefile > > has mutliple LDADD lines with in it. > > Well, then we will have no easy way to do for instance what the original > message said, recompile everything with a particular library :-( It is very easy to override a specific library, the problem here is that the malloc code is burried in libc. You could build a new libc with the new malloc code and do this: MAKE LIBC= /usr/lib/mylibc.a See bsd.prog.mk, the ${LIB*} strings are all define with ?= to be overrided easily. Don't drive a square peg into a round hole :-) :-) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 3 22:12:47 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA14568 for current-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 22:12:47 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA14562 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 22:12:46 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA08105 ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 22:12:48 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA01443; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 14:59:45 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199506040529.OAA01443@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Todays disk set problems To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 14:59:45 +0930 (CST) Cc: root@debian.cps.cmich.edu, freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <15269.802223279@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 3, 95 04:47:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1998 Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk (My observations are based on the 3/6/95 boot image. If a newer set exist, apply cubic salt structures as required.) Jordan K. Hubbard stands accused of saying: > No, that's actually fine - it should look for the .tgz first then go > on to pick up the piece files only if it can't find a complete one > (you can speed things up a fair bit by caching local copies of the > pieces already concatenated together in one .tgz file). It actually barfs (stops with an 'open timed out' error) if it can't find the bin.tgz file, and if you have 'choose another server' set, it _won't_ accept 'other' (complains about 'other' not being a valid URL). Also, the netmask "bug" (really an inconsistency) in the network setup dialog hasn't been fixed (if it's possible) : you can cursor/tab out of all of the fields that aren't inside the smaller box and their contents stay set. However, you have to hit to set the values for the fields _inside_ the box. It's easier to demonstrate than to explain 8) Set the hostname, cursor out, it stays set. Go down to netmask, type something and cursor out, it's erased. Also, if you don't set a netmask, a default should be used, as otherwise the ifconfig for the port barfs and you can't do anything 8( > > Then is hangs right there not ever asking for an different site like I > > asked it to. > > Hmmm! This didn't happen to us.. :-( I'll try to reproduce this! No hangs here, but it would be nice to have a 'master quit' option for the entire install set (so if you've got the wrong URL, you don't have to cancel a dozen attempts - that's annoying) > Jordan -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[