From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 23 18:35:58 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA16264 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 18:35:58 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA16246 ; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 18:35:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com cc: doc@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: tun man page? Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 18:35:50 -0700 Message-ID: <16245.798687350@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Anyone out there care to write a man page for the IP tunneling device driver? Unless it's hiding really well in the source tree, I can't find one. Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 24 20:35:45 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA09968 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 20:35:45 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA09937 ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 20:35:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Jeffrey Hsu cc: julian@freefall.cdrom.com, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Windows emulator for Linux (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 24 Apr 95 19:27:04 PDT." <199504250227.TAA06584@freefall.cdrom.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 20:35:23 -0700 Message-ID: <9934.798780923@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > It's worse than that. Read http://www.caldera.com. Willow software is > just a small part of caldera. And check out that contrib list! http://www.caldera.com./credits.html What do we need to do to the contrib file to SGML-ify it and get something similar? We won't get descriptions from everyone, but if we can identify most of the principle players by description-of-contribution and phone number then that will be a good thing! Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 25 16:20:12 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA23298 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 16:20:12 -0700 Received: from linux4nn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA23292 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 16:20:06 -0700 Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA13694 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 01:36:11 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA17171 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for doc@freebsd.org); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 01:20:53 +0100 Received: by iafnl.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA11210 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 22:42:49 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA02972 for doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 22:12:49 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199504252012.WAA02972@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: status of it all? To: doc@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Doc Project) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 22:12:49 +1596657 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 472 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, I could be wrong, but it seems kinda silent around here.. John: maybe there is something else I could write, apart from the SCSI stuff I sent you last week? Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 25 16:58:11 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA24229 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 16:58:11 -0700 Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA24221 ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 16:58:01 -0700 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA07467; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 16:57:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 16:57:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199504252357.QAA07467@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: doc@freebsd.org, core@freebsd.org Subject: Japanese install guide? From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami | =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQHUbKEI=?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOCsbKEIgGyRCOC0bKEI=?=) Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Someone wrote a fairly comprehensive install guide in Japanese, which I would like to include in the distribution. The questions are: (1) Where (which directory) should it go? (2) What code should I use? It can be in either JIS or EUC, and I prefer JIS (or is it called ISO-2022 now) because it can coexist with Chinese, Koreana etc. but I'm not sure whether patterns like "$Id" will appear or not. (JIS uses '$' liberally for Japanese alphabet, and the file will look like, e.g., "$O$8$a$K".) What patterns should I watch out for? Thanks Satoshi From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 25 19:00:24 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA00241 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 19:00:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA00187 ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:59:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami | =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQHUbKEI=?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOCsbKEIgGyRCOC0bKEI=?=) cc: doc@freebsd.org, core@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Japanese install guide? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 Apr 95 16:57:57 PDT." <199504252357.QAA07467@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:59:56 -0700 Message-ID: <185.798861596@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Someone wrote a fairly comprehensive install guide in Japanese, which > I would like to include in the distribution. The questions are: > > (1) Where (which directory) should it go? > > (2) What code should I use? It can be in either JIS or EUC, and I > prefer JIS (or is it called ISO-2022 now) because it can coexist > with Chinese, Koreana etc. but I'm not sure whether patterns like > "$Id" will appear or not. (JIS uses '$' liberally for Japanese > alphabet, and the file will look like, e.g., "$O$8$a$K".) What > patterns should I watch out for? > > Thanks > Satoshi Send it to me. I'll get it onto the install floppy with a simple-minded language option at the beginning switching it in and out. Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 25 20:01:18 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA02619 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:01:18 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA02612 ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:01:13 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id UAA10042; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:01:12 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199504260301.UAA10042@ref.tfs.com> Subject: contribution To: faq@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 4159 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Here is a little text I just whipped up, may it find it's place in life through some of you guys: Overview -------- Booting FreeBSD is essentially a three step process: * Load the kernel * Determine the root filesystem * Initialize user-land things This gives some * Interesting combinations Loading a kernel ---------------- We presently have three basic mechanisms for loading the kernel: * biosboot * dosboot * netboot Each will be described in detail below. They all pass some information to the kernel to help the kernel decide what to do next. Biosboot -------- Biosboot is our "bootblocks", it consists of two files, which will be installed in the first 8Kbyte of the floppy or hard-disk slice to be booted from. Biosboot can load a kernel from a FreeBSD filesystem Dosboot ------- was written by DI. Christian Gusenbauer, and is unfortunately at this time one of the few pieces of code that isn't compilable under FreeBSD itself because it is written for MicroSoft compilers. Dosboot will boot the kernel from a MS/DOS file or from a FreeBSD filesystem partition on the disk. It attempts to negotiate with the various and strange kinds of memory manglers that lurk in high memory on MS/DOS systems and usually wins them for it's case. Netboot ------- will try to find a supported ethernet card, and use BOOTP, TFTP and NFS to find a kernel file to boot. Determine the root filesystem ----------------------------- Once the kernel is loaded and the boot-code jumps to it, the kernel will initialize itself, trying to determine what hardware is present and so on, and then it needs to find a root filesystem. Presently we support the following types of rootfilesystems: * UFS * MSDOS * MFS * CD9660 * NFS UFS --- This is the most normal type of root filesystem. It can reside on a floppy or on harddisk. MSDOS ----- While this is technically possible, it isn't particular useful, because of "FAT" filesystems inability to make links, device nodes and such "UNIXisms". MFS --- This is actually a UFS filesystem which has been compiled into the kernel. That means that the kernel does not really need any disks/floppis or other HW to function. CD9660 ------ This is for using a CDrom as root filesystem NFS --- This is for using a fileserver as root filesystem, basically making it a diskless machine. Initialize user-land things --------------------------- To get the user-land going, when the kernel has finished initialization, it will create a process with pid == 1 and execute a program on the rootfilesystem, this program is normally "/sbin/init". You can substitute any program for /sbin/init, as long as you keep in mind that: there is no stdin/out/err unless you open it yourself, if you exit, the machines panics signal handling is special for pid==1 Interesting combinations ------------------------ Boot a kernel with a MFS in it with a special /sbin/init which... A: mounts your C: /C: Attaches C:/freebsd.fs on /dev/vn0 mounts /dev/vn0 /rootfs makes symlinks /rootfs/bin -> /bin /rootfs/etc -> /etc /rootfs/sbin -> /sbin ... &c &c Now you run FreeBSD without repartitioning your hard disk... B: NFS mounts your server:~you/FreeBSD as /nfs chroots to /nfs and executes /sbin/init there Now you run FreeBSd diskless, even though you don't control the NFS server... C: Starts an X-server... Now you have an Xterminal, which is better than that dingy X-under-windows-so-slow-you-can-see-what-it-does thing that your boss insist is better than forking our money on HW. D: Takes a copy of /dev/rwd0 and writes it to a remote tape station or fileserver. Now you finally got that backup you should have made a year ago... E: acts as a firewall/web-server/what do I know... This is particular interesting since you can boot from a write- protected floppy, but still write to your root filesystem... -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 25 20:36:55 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA04457 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:36:55 -0700 Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA04443 ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:36:48 -0700 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA08332; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:36:42 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 20:36:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199504260336.UAA08332@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com CC: doc@freebsd.org, core@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <185.798861596@freefall.cdrom.com> (jkh@freefall.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Japanese install guide? From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami | =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQHUbKEI=?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOCsbKEIgGyRCOC0bKEI=?=) Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk * Send it to me. I'll get it onto the install floppy with a simple-minded * language option at the beginning switching it in and out. Okay, it's InstallMemo.txt on my freefall home directory. It's in EUC, you can convert it into JIS by using nkf (in ports). It's pretty big though (44K). Also, are you sure users can read it during install? Did we solve the fonts problem? Satoshi From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 25 21:43:31 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA06485 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 21:43:31 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA06479 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 21:43:28 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id AAA13511; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 00:43:16 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199504260443.AAA13511@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: status of it all? To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 00:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504252012.WAA02972@yedi.iaf.nl> from "Wilko Bulte" at Apr 25, 95 10:12:49 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2683 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Wilko Bulte writes: > I could be wrong, but it seems kinda silent around here.. Your perception is accurate. I came down with the flu this weekend and got to take some sick days. I just spent most of the day today ironing out some of the bugs in my rewrite of the linuxdoc->html converter. I'll get it added to FreeBSD-current sometime this week along with the sgmls parser. I've been focusing on getting the tools in shape because some people (with good reasons) were none to please about having sgml documentation and no tools in the tree to work with it... Anyway, so the tools will be there, and the current FAQ directory will be moved into /usr/share/doc. There will be (at this point) two subdiretories added to /usr/share/doc: FAQ - the current FAQ. handbook - the FreeBSD handbook, incorporating all the existing tutorials and various other documents. I'm going to merge what I had initially set up as a separate user and adiministration manual because of the difficulty of making hypertext links between the two. I also didn't care for that line of division. Instead there will be one handbook with 3 or four parts. I've fixed the html conversion so it handles large, deeply nested sections much better. > John: maybe there is something else I could write, apart from the > SCSI stuff I sent you last week? Rather than committing the changes in a place that would be deleted in a week, I'm holding on to the new SCSI document till it has a new home. Hmm... Just scanning through what I have here.... * Putting together a summary of important changes that will be in 2.1 (relative to 2.0 or 1.1.5.1?). A good job for a FreeBSD-current junkie. * New installation docs. Again, a good job for someone working with current and the installation stuff in particular. This bit of is CRITICAL. * Kernel configuration. We got a good contribution for this one with a promise for an update from the FreeBSD-current LINT file. No follow through on the promise yet.... * Related to installation, the troubleshooting needs some serious attention. Instead of being a long list of "if xyz starts smoking when I abc, then...", it needs to present some good troubleshooting strategies that can be helpful for figuring out new problems. * Start compiling a glossary. * Mail * Printing * Hardware compatibilty and reccomendations. Someone should pick Rod's brain for this one. * and more, but my wife needs to use the phone, and I shouldn't be up at 1:00 in the morning wthen I have the flu... -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 26 02:16:35 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA17424 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 02:16:35 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA17416 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 02:16:33 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA06575; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 02:14:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) cc: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte), doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: status of it all? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Apr 1995 00:43:16 EDT." <199504260443.AAA13511@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 02:14:36 -0700 Message-ID: <6573.798887676@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > * Putting together a summary of important changes that will be in > 2.1 (relative to 2.0 or 1.1.5.1?). A good job for a > FreeBSD-current junkie. I'll take it. It's on my mental whiteboard (really should xfer it to my TODO file :-) since I need to do this for the next release(s) anyway. > * New installation docs. Again, a good job for someone working > with current and the installation stuff in particular. This bit > of is CRITICAL. I can do _sections_ of this, but need more, especially in the area of setting up your network connection! I'd like to see us push more aggressively on the network installation stuff, both by providing more automation for doing neat stuff like becoming a "CTM customer" or grabbing packages from a network archive through a flashy front-end, and documenting/automating the low-level setup work of getting a PPP or SLIP connection on the air! More and more people are getting SLIP/PPP, a number that will be even higher by the time 2.0.5 starts shipping in quantity, and if we can't make that about 1000% easier in any future release then we'll drown under the tech support load. It will become our #2 question, right behind "Why can't I install FreeBSD on my computer?" I think that things like ijppp (which I'm using now, and it's a dream) should be substantially leveraged from if at all possible. It just takes someone writing a script to do all the glue work of configuring a ppp or slip configuration file somehow - dialer, login sequence, the works. I'm not sure whether I can promise anything myself there or not, but I'd sure like to see it done! It's right up at the top of my list. > * Kernel configuration. We got a good contribution for this one > with a promise for an update from the FreeBSD-current LINT file. > No follow through on the promise yet.... This one is also begging for a "Try It" counterpart. It suddenly occurs to me - wouldn't this be an interesting paradigm for all admin documentation? Each document comes optionally as an "active document" which we implement internally as some sort of specially-named companion file. You go read about some part of the system, like kernel configuration, and after reading for awhile (or not at all :-) you think "OK, sounds good, let's *do it*!" and you whap F2 or something and up comes the all-singing, all-dancing dialog based kernel auto-configurator script. Then go read about adding users, and when you've read enough a quick F2 brings up adduser on steroids or something. If a document has no associated "action" then the browser can just beep or something. I may be *just* talking about the installation docs here, mind you. I realize that the later all-singing, all-dancing system handbook to come up later will undoubtedly be Lynx based and an entirely different ball of wax. I'm thinking of a simple UI metaphor for the initial installation and setup docs. What do you guys think? > * Hardware compatibilty and reccomendations. Someone should pick > Rod's brain for this one. I am going to be jumping up and down on his braincase if necessary just for 2.0.5 - I NEED a "hardware prerequisites" document on the boot floppy! > * and more, but my wife needs to use the phone, and I shouldn't > be up at 1:00 in the morning wthen I have the flu... Here, eat some soup! Get some rest! You're gonna kill yourself with this stuff, child! :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 26 13:44:06 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA25394 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:44:06 -0700 Received: from linux4nn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA25384 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:43:56 -0700 Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA14582; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 23:00:54 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA16090 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:44:38 +0100 Received: by iafnl.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA32532 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 20:33:41 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.8/8.6.6) id UAA01288; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 20:02:43 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199504261802.UAA01288@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: status of it all? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 20:02:42 +1596657 (MET DST) Cc: jfieber@cs.smith.edu, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl.iaf.nl, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <6573.798887676@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Apr 26, 95 02:14:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1440 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > * Putting together a summary of important changes that will be in > > 2.1 (relative to 2.0 or 1.1.5.1?). A good job for a > > FreeBSD-current junkie. > > I'll take it. It's on my mental whiteboard (really should xfer it to > my TODO file :-) since I need to do this for the next release(s) > anyway. I'm volunteering for proofreading. Not being a -current user this might emulate the 'ignorant newbie' somewhat ;-) > > * Hardware compatibilty and reccomendations. Someone should pick > > Rod's brain for this one. > > I am going to be jumping up and down on his braincase if necessary > just for 2.0.5 - I NEED a "hardware prerequisites" document on the > boot floppy! Anyone starting to do this should take a look at the BSDI WWW server. There is a link there somewhere by/from Paul Vixie discussing hardware for BSD/OS. The document itself is called something like bsd-os-hwconfig.html. > > * and more, but my wife needs to use the phone, and I shouldn't > > be up at 1:00 in the morning wthen I have the flu... > > Here, eat some soup! Get some rest! You're gonna kill yourself with > this stuff, child! :) Grin.. Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 26 13:52:06 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA25653 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:52:06 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA25644 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:52:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id QAA22257 for doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:53:01 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199504262053.QAA22257@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Another hot topic for the taking.... To: doc@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 811 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk We have one hole in our documentation that you could sail an ocean liner through. We need an "Introduction to the source code" section for those who are familar/bored with use and administration of unix systems and want to get under the hood and start tinkering. This document should cover the organization of the source code and how it all works with bmake. Philosophical issues should should be included. This would also be an excellent place to point out good starting points for would be tinkerers. (hint: point them at things that need to be fixed!!) This could either incorporate, or be an introduction to a kernel hackers guide. Any takers? -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 28 04:45:45 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA10604 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 04:45:45 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA10479 ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 04:39:51 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA03158; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 04:39:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: doc@freefall.cdrom.com cc: announce@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: xhtml editor available.. Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 04:39:50 -0700 Message-ID: <3156.799069190@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk John mentioned this awhile back, and while cleaning out my mailbox I stumbled across it. I've ported 1.1 and compiled up static and dynamic versions of it, making them available as packages (linked against Motif 2.0). Look for xhtml-static.tgz and xhtml-shared.tgz, depending on whether or not you have a Motif 2.0 license. URLs: ftp://freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/packages/editors/xhtml-shared.tgz ftp://freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/packages/editors/xhtml-static.tgz Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 28 07:57:16 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA15523 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 07:57:16 -0700 Received: from mailhost.tue.nl (mailhost.tue.nl [131.155.2.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA15515 ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 07:57:08 -0700 Received: from asterix.urc.tue.nl (asterix.urc.tue.nl [131.155.5.10]) by mailhost.tue.nl (8.6.10) with SMTP id QAA15395; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:56:49 +0200 Received: (from wmbfmk@localhost) by asterix.urc.tue.nl (8.6.11) id OAA25963; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:56:48 GMT From: Marc van Kempen Message-Id: <199504281456.OAA25963@asterix.urc.tue.nl> Subject: Re: xhtml editor available.. To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:56:48 +0200 (MDT) Cc: doc@freefall.cdrom.com, announce@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <3156.799069190@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Apr 28, 95 04:39:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 517 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > John mentioned this awhile back, and while cleaning out my mailbox I > stumbled across it. I've ported 1.1 and compiled up static and > dynamic versions of it, making them available as packages (linked > against Motif 2.0). > You may also want to check out tkHTML, which is a html editor based on tk (surprise :-)). It looks very nice, and has online help. I can't say how well it works in the real life, as I have not yet really tested it. Look at: http://www.infosystems.com/tkHTML/tkHTML.html Marc. From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 28 08:21:05 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA16227 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:21:05 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA16221 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:21:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id LAA00550; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:22:00 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199504281522.LAA00550@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: status of it all? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <6573.798887676@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Apr 26, 95 02:14:36 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2122 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > setting up your network connection! I'd like to see us push more > aggressively on the network installation stuff, both by providing more [...] > and documenting/automating the low-level setup work of getting a PPP > or SLIP connection on the air! More and more people are getting > SLIP/PPP, a number that will be even higher by the time 2.0.5 starts Say, this reminds me... I grabbed the boot disk from the latest snapshot and it appears to only have sio0 in it! Well, my modem is all the way down at sio3. Of course, I can climb under my desk and fiddle some plugs but it is a hassle. Also, some people may have unbuffered UARTS at 0 and 1, and their buffered ones on an ad-in card at 2 and 3. > I think that things like ijppp (which I'm using now, and it's a dream) > should be substantially leveraged from if at all possible. It just > takes someone writing a script to do all the glue work of configuring > a ppp or slip configuration file somehow - dialer, login sequence, the > works. Unfortunately there is so much variation in slip/ppp providers it would be mighty difficult to develop a universal script. Some work could definately be done about asking the user a few key questions and then generating a script from that... > specially-named companion file. You go read about some part of the > system, like kernel configuration, and after reading for awhile (or > not at all :-) you think "OK, sounds good, let's *do it*!" and you > whap F2 or something and up comes the all-singing, all-dancing dialog > based kernel auto-configurator script. Then go read about adding The other approach is self evident programs, i.e. a kernel config program that needs no documentation because it is built in. We still have to provide guidance to lead the user to the program, but once there, the program takes over. It seems like kernel config, both rebuilding, and tweaking with sysctl would be ideal targets for this. -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 28 09:10:20 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA17234 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 09:10:20 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA17228 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 09:10:17 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA06241; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 09:10:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Marc van Kempen cc: doc@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: xhtml editor available.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:56:48 +0200." <199504281456.OAA25963@asterix.urc.tue.nl> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 09:10:04 -0700 Message-ID: <6239.799085404@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > You may also want to check out tkHTML, which is a html editor based > on tk (surprise :-)). It looks very nice, and has online help. > > I can't say how well it works in the real life, as I have not yet > really tested it. Thanks for the pointer! It's now /usr/ports/print/tkHTML.. :-) I don't know about `print', but it's the only category I could think of that makes sense since HTML isn't solely a `networking' markup language! Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 28 09:42:47 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA18157 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 09:42:47 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA18151 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 09:42:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA01890; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:43:15 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199504281643.MAA01890@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: xhtml editor available.. To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Cc: doc@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <6239.799085404@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Apr 28, 95 09:10:04 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 482 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > Thanks for the pointer! It's now /usr/ports/print/tkHTML.. :-) > > I don't know about `print', but it's the only category I could > think of that makes sense since HTML isn't solely a `networking' > markup language! But it is undisputably a terrible markup language for printing! Maybe editors? -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 28 09:47:03 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA18258 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 09:47:03 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA18252 ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 09:46:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA02012; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:47:56 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199504281647.MAA02012@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: FAQ moved To: roberto@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 648 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Just in case you don't catch the commit message, I've moved the FAQ into the share/doc/FAQ directory, while most of the other sgml files are now in share/handbook. The currently available sgmlformat program does a lousy job at converting the handbook to html, but I'll be importing a new version that does much better. For the time being, the old FAQ directory can be checked out as src/share/FAQ. I'll be removing obsolete stuff and ultimately the whole directory will pass into history. -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 28 10:27:25 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA19052 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 10:27:25 -0700 Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.223.46]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA19028 ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 10:26:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA07320; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 10:26:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: time.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) cc: doc@freefall.cdrom.com, ports@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: xhtml editor available.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:43:14 EDT." <199504281643.MAA01890@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 10:26:41 -0700 Message-ID: <7317.799090001@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I don't know about `print', but it's the only category I could > > think of that makes sense since HTML isn't solely a `networking' > > markup language! > > But it is undisputably a terrible markup language for printing! > Maybe editors? I'm willing to move it.. What does the rest of ports think? I was truly fishing on this one! J From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 28 11:18:08 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA20179 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:18:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA20172 ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:18:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber), doc@freefall.cdrom.com, ports@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: xhtml editor available.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Apr 95 10:26:41 PDT." <7317.799090001@time.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:18:06 -0700 Message-ID: <20171.799093086@freefall.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer (FreeBSD/ARM Team) Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <7317.799090001@time.cdrom.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >I'm willing to move it.. What does the rest of ports think? I was >truly fishing on this one! I think editors... Satoshi? Gary From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 28 12:07:15 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA21631 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:07:15 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA21621 ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:07:03 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id VAA17468 ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 21:06:55 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id VAA11403 ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 21:06:55 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199504281906.VAA11403@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: FAQ moved To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 21:06:54 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: roberto@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504281647.MAA02012@grendel.csc.smith.edu> from "John Fieber" at Apr 28, 95 12:47:56 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.0.950416-SNAP ctm#562 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 439 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > For the time being, the old FAQ directory can be checked out as > src/share/FAQ. I'll be removing obsolete stuff and ultimately > the whole directory will pass into history. Can you rename/move the last FAQ I checked in, the one from Poul-Henning ? It is lonely in src/share/FAQ/SGML :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0.950416-SNAP #17: Sun Apr 16 17:12:07 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 28 12:15:55 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA21935 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:15:55 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA21925 ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:15:53 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:15:53 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199504281915.MAA21925@freefall.cdrom.com> To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu, jkh@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: xhtml editor available.. Cc: doc@freefall.cdrom.com, ports@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Editors seems logical. Your subject line does read 'xhmtl editor'. From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 28 12:50:54 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA23304 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:50:54 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA23298 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:50:52 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA04715; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:51:45 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199504281951.PAA04715@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: FAQ moved To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504281906.VAA11403@blaise.ibp.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Apr 28, 95 09:06:54 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 158 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Ollivier Robert writes: > Can you rename/move the last FAQ I checked in, the one from Poul-Henning ? > It is lonely in src/share/FAQ/SGML :-) Done. -john From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 28 13:03:42 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA23575 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:03:42 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA23557 ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:03:15 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id QAA04811; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:04:14 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199504282004.QAA04811@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Poll: name for document formatter To: doc@freebsd.org, core@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 331 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm about ready to bring the program that transforms sgml documents into html/latex/roff/ascii and would like opinions on the name. sgmlformat docformat docfmt sgmlfmt ?? -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 28 13:55:12 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA25005 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:55:12 -0700 Received: from main.statsci.com (main.statsci.com [198.145.125.110]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA24973 ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:54:22 -0700 Received: by main.statsci.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0s4x2x-000r3vC; Fri, 28 Apr 95 13:53 PDT Message-Id: To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) cc: doc@freebsd.org, core@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Poll: name for document formatter In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:04:14 -0400." <199504282004.QAA04811@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Reply-to: scott@statsci.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:53:53 -0700 From: Scott Blachowicz Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk How about 'linuxdoc' ? :-))))) Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 StatSci, a div of MathSoft, Inc. 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 28 14:08:14 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA25395 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:08:14 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA25388 ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:08:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA05275; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 17:09:04 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199504282109.RAA05275@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: Poll: name for document formatter To: scott@statsci.com Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 17:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Cc: doc@freebsd.org, core@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Scott Blachowicz" at Apr 28, 95 01:53:53 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 397 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Scott Blachowicz writes: > How about 'linuxdoc' ? :-))))) Aside from aesthetic problems, the portion of the package attribtable to linuxdoc is diminishing and if I have my way will disappear completely and be replaced with the docbook DTD. -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 28 21:39:08 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07587 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 21:39:08 -0700 Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com (ix4.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA07580 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 21:39:00 -0700 Received: from by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id VAA29892; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 21:37:24 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 21:37:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199504290437.VAA29892@ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: pvinci@ix.netcom.com (Paul Vinciguerra) Subject: having some troubles... To: doc@freebsd.org Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Well, I'm back working on config.sgml. Look at the following: &rsgq ,&lsqb don't work and [] work *sometimes* 8^) They don't work if ... [ ... .... ... ] sgmlformat doesn't work right ... compile config.sgml (attached) as -html and as -ascii then look at the CPU section... Where did the lines on the .txt version go? I'm also looking on feedback, feedback, feedback .... thanks, Paul ------------- config.sgml ---------------------------------
Building the kernel with config Paul Vinciguerra V1.0, April 8, 1995 This document explains the the process of reconfiguring the kernel. Introduction

The GENERIC kernel shipped as a starting point for most users to be able to get their systems up and running under FreeBSD 2.1. Most users rebuild their kernels to: Add support for new hardware Remove drivers to reduce the size of the kernel and free up RAM. Add additional functionality to the system.(eg. PPP or SLIP support) In order to rebuild the kernel you must have the srcdist installed. What goes in the config file?

Global parameters

A system configuration file must contains the following:

Machine Type

machine "type"

The machine type indicates the type of system on which FreeBSD will run.

The machine type tells the system that it can find the data files in "/sys/type". This entry should not be changed.

machine "i386"

CPU Type

The CPU type indicates the type or types of CPU's that the kernel will run on.

The kernel can be built to run on a single CPU type cpu "I586_CPU" and would need to be recompiled to run on a '486 or '386 system.

.. or a single kernel can be built to run on any of multiple CPU's cpu "I386_CPU" cpu "I486_CPU" cpu "I586_CPU" Deleting support for unnecesary CPU's may make parts of the system faster.

System Identification

ident name The system identification is a moniker attached to the system, and is often the machine on which the system is to run. For example, the FreeBSD.org system is named "freefall" and by placing the entry ident FREEFALL in the configuration file would create a global #define FREEFALL and would include compilation of all the FREEFALL specific changes found in the source code to be included in the kernel.

This entry is GENERIC by default. ident GENERIC

Maxusers number

This entry specifies the expected number of simultaneously active users on the system. This number is used to determine the size of the system data structures. maxusers 10 These structures may be found in: /sys/conf/param.c It is important to note the difference between users and processes. If you are running a news server or a httpd server, you would consider each a single user regardless of how many connections each had. Each user would spawn a child process for each connection. Increasing the maxusers will not increase the number of connections. To increase the number of open connections, increase following options: options "CHILD_MAX=128" options "OPEN_MAX=128"

Config section

The config directive determines the location of root file system as well as other key file systems. config kernel root [on] root-device swap [on] swap-device and swap-device .. dumps [on] dump-device args [on] arg-devide The default entry of: config kernel root on wd0 swap on wd0 and wd1 and sd0 and sd1 dumps on wd0 states that the root partition is on device wd0; swapping is on device(s) wd0, wd1, sd0, sd1; dumps occur on wd0.

 Options

The options directive instructs the compiler to include optional code in the kernel. For example: options "CHILD_MAX=128" options "OPEN_MAX=128" options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation #options GPL_MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emualtion via options "COMPAT_43" options USER_LDT #allow user-level control of i386 ldt # These three options provide support for System V Interface options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG options DDB options DODUMP options KTRACE #kernel tracing options DIAGNOSTIC options UCONSOLE options INET #Internet communications protocols options ISO options CCITT #X.25 network layer options NS #Xerox NS communications protocols options TPIP #ISO TP class 4 over IP options TPCONS #ISO TP class 0 over X.25 options NSIP #XNS over IP options EON #ISO CLNP over IP options LLC #X.25 link layer for Ethernets options HDLC #X.25 link layer for serial lines # Internet family options: options "TCP_COMPAT_42" #emulate 4.2BSD TCP bugs options GATEWAY #internetwork gateway options MROUTING # Multicast routing options IPFIREWALL #firewall options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE #print information about options IPACCT #ipaccounting options ARP_PROXYALL # global proxy ARP options FFS #Fast filesystem options NFS #Network File System options NQNFS #Enable NQNFS lease checking options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 filesystem options FDESC #File descriptor filesystem options KERNFS #Kernel filesystem options LFS #Log filesystem options MFS #Memory File System options MSDOSFS #MS DOS File System options NULLFS #NULL filesystem options PORTAL #Portal filesystem options PROCFS #Process filesystem options UMAPFS #UID map filesystem options UNION #Union filesystem options QUOTA #enable disk quotas #options ALLOW_CONFLICT_DRQ #options ALLOW_CONFLICT_IOADDR #options ALLOW_CONFLICT_IRQ #options ALLOW_CONFLICT_MEMADDR options "AUTO_EOI_1" #options "AUTO_EOI_2" options BOUNCE_BUFFERS #options DUMMY_NOPS #options TUNE_1542 #options "PCVT_FREEBSD=210" # pcvt running on FreeBSD 2.1 #options XSERVER # include code for XFree86 #options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor options HARDFONTS options "MAXCONS=16" options FDSEEKWAIT="16" options COMCONSOLE #prefer serial console to video console options COM_MULTIPORT #code for some cards with shared IRQs options DSI_SOFT_MODEM #code for DSI Softmodems options PROBE_VERBOSE # One of these is mandatory: options FFS #Fast filesystem options NFS #Network File System # The rest are optional: options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 filesystem options FDESC #File descriptor filesystem options KERNFS #Kernel filesystem options LFS #Log filesystem options MFS #Memory File System options MSDOSFS #MS DOS File System options NULLFS #NULL filesystem options PORTAL #Portal filesystem options PROCFS #Process filesystem options UMAPFS #UID map filesystem options UNION #Union filesystem # # Disk quotas are supported when this option is enabled. If you # change the value of this option, you must do a `make clean' in your # kernel compile directory in order to get a working kernel. # options QUOTA #enable disk quotas Device Specification

Each device installed (or attached to) the system must be specified to config so that the devices will be probed at boot time. Devices not currently installed in the hardware may be specified so that the kernel generated will support those devices at a later date. a device specifiaction takes on of the following forms: controller device-name device-info [interrupt-spec] device device-name device-info interrupt-spec disk device-name device-info tape device-name device-info controller scbus0 #base SCSI code controller isa0 controller bt0 at isa? port "IO_BT0" bio irq ? vector btintr controller ahc0 at isa? bio irq ? vector ahcintr # port??? iomem? controller ahb0 at isa? bio irq ? vector ahbintr controller aha0 at isa? port "IO_AHA0" bio irq ? drq 5 vector ahaintr controller uha0 at isa? port "IO_UHA0" bio irq ? drq 5 vector uhaintr controller aic0 at isa? port 0x340 bio irq 11 vector aicintr controller nca0 at isa? port 0x1f88 bio irq 10 vector ncaintr controller nca1 at isa? port 0x1f84 controller nca2 at isa? port 0x1f8c controller nca3 at isa? port 0x1e88 controller nca4 at isa? port 0x350 bio irq 5 vector ncaintr controller sea0 at isa? bio irq 5 iomem 0xdc000 iosiz 0x2000 vector seaintr controller wds0 at isa? port 0x350 bio irq 15 drq 6 vector wdsintr controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 vector wdintr controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr controller snd0 controller matcd0 at isa? port ? #controller matcd1 at isa? port ? #controller matcd2 at isa? port ? #controller matcd3 at isa? port ? controller pci0 controller bt0 at isa? port "IO_BT0" bio irq ? vector btintr controller ahb0 at isa? bio irq ? vector ahbintr controller aha0 at isa? port "IO_AHA0" bio irq ? drq 5 vector ahaintr controller uha0 at isa? port "IO_UHA0" bio irq ? drq 5 vector uhaintr controller aic0 at isa? port 0x340 bio irq 11 vector aicintr controller pas0 at isa? port 0x1f88 controller pas1 at isa? port 0x1f84 controller pas2 at isa? port 0x1f8c controller pas3 at isa? port 0x1e88 controller sea0 at isa? bio irq 5 iomem 0xdc000 iosiz 0x2000 vector seaintr controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 vector wdintr disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 tape ft0 at fdc0 drive 2 device lpt0 at isa? port "IO_LPT3" tty irq 7 vector lptintr device mse0 at isa? port 0x23c tty irq 5 vector mseintr device psm0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 12 vector psmintr device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 5 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr device ie0 at isa? port 0x360 net irq 7 iomem 0xd0000 vector ieintr device is0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 10 drq 7 vector isintr device ep0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 vector epintr device el0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 9 vector elintr device le0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 iomem 0xd0000 vector le_intr device ze0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 iomem 0xd8000 vector zeintr device lnc0 at isa? XXX FILL ME IN device snd5 at isa? port 0x330 irq 6 vector mpuintr device snd4 at isa? port 0x220 irq 15 drq 6 vector gusintr device snd3 at isa? port 0x388 irq 10 drq 6 vector pasintr device snd2 at isa? port 0x220 irq 7 drq 1 vector sbintr device snd6 at isa? port 0x220 irq 7 drq 5 vector sbintr device snd7 at isa? port 0x300 device snd1 at isa? port 0x388 device pca0 at isa? tty device mcd0 at isa? port 0x300 bio irq 10 vector mcdintr device wt0 at isa? port 0x300 bio irq 5 drq 1 vector wtintr device ctx0 at isa? port 0x230 iomem 0xd0000 device apm0 at isa? options APM controller pci0 device ncr0 device de0 This section is usually the largest section of the configuration file.

Pseudo-devices

The system has a number of associated Pseudo devices. Pseudo devices are drivers which add functionality, but have no direct hardware associated with them. Examples of pseudo devices are pty, loop, ether, PPP. # The `loop' pseudo-device is mandatory when networking is enabled. # The `ether' pseudo-device provides generic code to handle # The 'fddi' pseudo-device provides generic code to support FDDI. # The `sppp' pseudo-device serves a similar role for certain types # The `sl' pseudo-device implements the Serial Line IP (SLIP) service. # The `ppp' pseudo-device implements the Point-to-Point Protocol. # The `bpfilter' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. Be # The `disc' pseudo-device implements a minimal network interface, # The `tun' pseudo-device implements the User Process PPP (iijppp) pseudo-device ether #Generic Ethernet pseudo-device fddi #Generic FDDI pseudo-device sppp #Generic Synchronous PPP pseudo-device loop #Network loopback device pseudo-device sl 2 #Serial Line IP pseudo-device ppp 2 #Point-to-point protocol pseudo-device bpfilter 4 #Berkeley packet filter pseudo-device disc #Discard device pseudo-device tun 1 #Tunnel driver(user process ppp) pseudo-device pty 16 #Pseudo ttys - can go as high as 64 pseudo-device speaker #Play IBM BASIC-style noises out your speaker pseudo-device log #Kernel syslog interface (/dev/klog) pseudo-device gzip #Exec gzipped a.out's pseudo-device vn #Vnode driver (turns a file into a device) pseudo-device snp 3 #Snoop device - to look at pty/vty/etc.. pseudo-device isdn pseudo-device ii 4 pseudo-device ity 4 pseudo-device itel 2 pseudo-device ispy 1

Rebuilding the kernel

The system assumes that the source tree is located at /sys. Since the tree is located at /usr/src/sys, we need to create a symbolic link from your sources (/usr/src/sys) to (/sys) ln -s /usr/src/sys/ /sys At this point, you need to modify your configuration file, usually GENERIC as follows: cd /sys/i386/conf vi GENERIC (to edit your configuration) Refer to the file LINT for all the configuration options config GENERIC cd ../../compile/GENERIC make depend make make install Note: This process renames /kernel to /kernel.old before installing the new kernel. If there are problems with the new kernel you can still reboot the old kernel by specifying /kernel.old at boot time. New in 2.1: If you only need to change hardware settings, you can use the dset command.

Sample Entries PPP Support

If you're going to run PPP you need to add the following lines: pseudo-device ppp 2 #Point-to-point protocol or if it's synchronous PPP, use: pseudo-device sppp #Generic Synchronous PPP pseudo-device tun 1 #Tunnel driver(user process ppp) SLIP

If you're going to set up a SLIP server you need to add: pseudo-device sl 2 #Serial Line IP X

If you're going to run X, you need the following lines: options "PCVT_FREEBSD=210" # pcvt running on FreeBSD 2.1 options XSERVER # include code for XFree86 options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor pseudo-device pty 16 #Pseudo ttys - can go as high as 64

News/HTTPD Servers

If you're going to run a news or HTTPD server, you need to include each server as a single user. DO NOT increase maxusers to 100. Instead set the "CHLID_MAX= " and the "OPEN_MAX = " to t he expected maximum number of connections of the heaviest demanded server. Disk Quotas

To enable disk quotas, you need to add the line: optionsQUOTA You must then do the following to get a working kernel. cd /sys/i386/conf vi GENERIC (to edit your configuration) Refer to the file LINT for all the configuration options config GENERIC cd ../../compile/GENERIC make clean make depend make make install Firewall

Next Option

Next Option

Next Option

New in 2.1: If you only need to change hardware settings, you can use the dset command.

From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 28 22:12:05 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA08465 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 22:12:05 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA08458 ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 22:11:58 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA28208 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 23:50:02 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA10233; 28 Apr 95 23:49:13 CDT (Fri) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id XAA10226; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 23:49:10 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199504290449.XAA10226@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: Poll: name for document formatter To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 23:49:08 -0500 (CDT) Cc: doc@freebsd.org, core@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504282004.QAA04811@grendel.csc.smith.edu> from "John Fieber" at Apr 28, 95 04:04:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 221 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I'm about ready to bring the program that transforms sgml > documents into html/latex/roff/ascii and would like opinions on > the name. runoff ;-> > sgmlformat > docformat > docfmt > sgmlfmt How about just "sgml"? From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 28 22:26:46 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA08654 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 22:26:46 -0700 Received: from psycfrnd.interaccess.com (joeg@psycfrnd.interaccess.com [198.80.0.26]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA08648 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 22:26:45 -0700 Received: (joeg@localhost) by psycfrnd.interaccess.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA12529; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 00:24:24 -0500 From: Joe Grosch Message-Id: <199504290524.AAA12529@psycfrnd.interaccess.com> Subject: Re: Poll: name for document formatter To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 00:24:24 -0500 (CDT) Cc: doc@freebsd.org Reply-To: joeg@truenorth.org In-Reply-To: <199504282004.QAA04811@grendel.csc.smith.edu> from "John Fieber" at Apr 28, 95 04:04:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 357 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >I'm about ready to bring the program that transforms sgml >documents into html/latex/roff/ascii and would like opinions on >the name. > >sgmlformat >docformat >docfmt >sgmlfmt > I vote for sgmlfmt. Josef -- Josef Grosch - joeg@truenorth.org | "Laugh while you can, monkey boy." http://www.interaccess.com/users/joeg | - John Warfin - From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 29 05:00:08 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA23323 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 05:00:08 -0700 Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA23298 ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:59:59 -0700 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9) id EAA01009; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:59:47 -0700 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:59:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199504291159.EAA01009@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: gpalmer@freefall.cdrom.com CC: jkh@time.cdrom.com, jfieber@cs.smith.edu, doc@freefall.cdrom.com, ports@freefall.cdrom.com In-reply-to: <20171.799093086@freefall.cdrom.com> (gpalmer@freefall.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: xhtml editor available.. From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami | =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQHUbKEI=?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOCsbKEIgGyRCOC0bKEI=?=) Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk * In message <7317.799090001@time.cdrom.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: * >I'm willing to move it.. What does the rest of ports think? I was * >truly fishing on this one! * * I think editors... * * Satoshi? Gee, people calling from everywhere while I'm at a concert! ;) Anyway, yeah, I think editors is fine for now. However, we probably need to make a new category "www" or "html" or something, ports/net is getting pretty full these days. Then xhtml should go there too. We should do something with x11 too, it's getting pretty painful to manage. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 29 09:34:58 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA28784 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 09:34:58 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA28776 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 09:34:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA12218; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 12:35:54 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199504291635.MAA12218@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: having some troubles... To: pvinci@ix.netcom.com (Paul Vinciguerra) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 12:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504290437.VAA29892@ix4.ix.netcom.com> from "Paul Vinciguerra" at Apr 28, 95 09:37:24 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2462 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Paul Vinciguerra writes: > &rsgq ,&lsqb don't work and [] work *sometimes* 8^) That should be ] and [ and I just checked and the do work for me... > sgmlformat doesn't work right ... > > compile config.sgml (attached) as -html and as -ascii then look at the > CPU section... Where did the lines on the .txt version go? See below. > What goes in the config file?

> Global parameters

> A system configuration file must contains the following: > > > > > >

The creation of "mini-menus" should be left to the processing program. As you will see in the latest sgmlformat incartation, this menu becomes redundant in the HTML output. > .. or a single kernel can be built to run on any of multiple CPU's Lines starting with a period trip up the ascii output because it goes through groff. This is a bug but until it is fixed, just be careful to avoid this. > > config kernel > root [on] root-device > swap [on] swap-device and swap-device > .. > dumps [on] dump-device > args [on] arg-devide > Ditto. > Options

> The options directive instructs the compiler to include optional code > in the kernel. For example: > options "CHILD_MAX=128" > options "OPEN_MAX=128" > options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation > #options GPL_MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emualtion via > options "COMPAT_43" [etc...] This need to be laced with text describing what the options are for and why one might want them in their kernel. > Device Specification

And same here. > If you're going to run PPP you need to add the following lines: > > pseudo-device ppp 2 #Point-to-point protocol > or if it's synchronous PPP, use: This last line causes a problem (although it shouldn't). Just insert a carriage return after the . -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 29 13:19:57 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA10700 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 13:19:57 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA10678 ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 13:19:47 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id WAA22925 ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 22:19:33 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id WAA15971 ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 22:19:33 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199504292019.WAA15971@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Poll: name for document formatter To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 22:19:32 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: scott@statsci.com, doc@freebsd.org, core@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504282109.RAA05275@grendel.csc.smith.edu> from "John Fieber" at Apr 28, 95 05:09:04 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.0.950416-SNAP ctm#562 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 627 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Aside from aesthetic problems, the portion of the package > attribtable to linuxdoc is diminishing and if I have my way will > disappear completely and be replaced with the docbook DTD. I'd love to see that happen but last time I looked at gmat (the O'Reilly translator for Docbook), it required the new sgml parser sp from Clark (a big thing in C++) and the translator seemed not that easy to use. Granted, the Docbook DTD is far superior to Linuxdoc but it seemed too much. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0.950416-SNAP #17: Sun Apr 16 17:12:07 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 29 14:31:55 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA17102 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 14:31:55 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA17096 ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 14:31:50 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA23365 ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 23:31:47 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id XAA16379 ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 23:31:46 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199504292131.XAA16379@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Poll: name for document formatter To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 23:31:46 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: doc@freebsd.org, core@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504282004.QAA04811@grendel.csc.smith.edu> from "John Fieber" at Apr 28, 95 04:04:14 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.0.950416-SNAP ctm#562 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 176 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > sgmlfmt I like this one. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0.950416-SNAP #17: Sun Apr 16 17:12:07 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 29 14:37:02 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA17410 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 14:37:02 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA17404 ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 14:37:00 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id OAA26493; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 14:36:45 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199504292136.OAA26493@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Poll: name for document formatter To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 14:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jfieber@cs.smith.edu, doc@freebsd.org, core@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504292131.XAA16379@blaise.ibp.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Apr 29, 95 11:31:46 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 283 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > sgmlfmt > > I like this one. Me too. By far the most unpronounceable unix-command so far. :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 29 14:40:32 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA17504 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 14:40:32 -0700 Received: from grendel.csc.smith.edu (grendel.csc.smith.edu [131.229.222.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA17498 ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 14:40:30 -0700 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by grendel.csc.smith.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA17802; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 17:40:59 -0400 From: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Message-Id: <199504292140.RAA17802@grendel.csc.smith.edu> Subject: Re: Poll: name for document formatter To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 17:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Cc: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr, jfieber@cs.smith.edu, doc@freebsd.org, core@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504292136.OAA26493@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Apr 29, 95 02:36:45 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 390 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > > > sgmlfmt > > > > I like this one. > > Me too. > > By far the most unpronounceable unix-command so far. :-) An argument against putting `sgml' in the name is that it is NOT a generic SGML formatter. -john === jfieber@cs.smith.edu ================================================ =================================== Come up and be a kite! --K. Bush === From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 29 15:31:27 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA20871 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 15:31:27 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA20865 ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 15:31:23 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA29192; Sat, 29 Apr 95 16:23:51 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9504292223.AA29192@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Poll: name for document formatter To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 95 16:23:51 MDT Cc: jfieber@cs.smith.edu, scott@statsci.com, doc@freebsd.org, core@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504292019.WAA15971@blaise.ibp.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Apr 29, 95 10:19:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I'd love to see that happen but last time I looked at gmat (the > O'Reilly translator for Docbook), it required the new sgml > parser sp from Clark (a big thing in C++) and the translator > seemed not that easy to use. > > Granted, the Docbook DTD is far superior to Linuxdoc but > it seemed too much. On the other hand, if you wanted to publish the stuff in book form, like the Linix bible, the former is all set for O'Reilly to go to press. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 29 20:01:08 1995 Return-Path: doc-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA06679 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 20:01:08 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA06668 ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 20:00:51 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA06053 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 21:49:54 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA05323; 29 Apr 95 21:36:05 CDT (Sat) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA05320; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 21:36:04 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199504300236.VAA05320@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: Poll: name for document formatter To: jfieber@cs.smith.edu (John Fieber) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 21:36:04 -0500 (CDT) Cc: phk@ref.tfs.com, roberto@blaise.ibp.fr, jfieber@cs.smith.edu, doc@freebsd.org, core@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199504292140.RAA17802@grendel.csc.smith.edu> from "John Fieber" at Apr 29, 95 05:40:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 255 Sender: doc-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > An argument against putting `sgml' in the name is that it is NOT > a generic SGML formatter. How about "doctor", or some other pun on "doc" or "web". A really obscure name that would be good: charlotte. After all, Charlotte's web documented Wilbur...