From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 5 03:31:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA03330 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 03:31:12 -0800 Received: from easynet.com (easyr.easynet.net [198.67.38.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA03324 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 03:31:09 -0800 Received: by easynet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rlENN-000rbuC; Sun, 5 Mar 95 03:21 WET Message-Id: From: brian@MediaCity.com (Brian Litzinger) Subject: mail failed, returning to sender (fwd) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 03:21:29 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 265 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I intend to contribute a driver for the Talisman Lite MPEG decoder card. I'm currently using the local major device number. The source indicated that I should post to this list to get a different major device number. Thanks, Brian Litzinger brian@easynet.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 5 03:35:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA03447 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 03:35:19 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA03438; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 03:35:14 -0800 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id GAA01733; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 06:32:41 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199503051132.GAA01733@hda.com> Subject: Re: scsi(1) and WORM drives.. To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 06:32:41 -0500 (EST) Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 356 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've got a Phillips CDROM burner that I would, for obvious reasons, > love to actually have work under FreeBSD. Try out the driver in -current when you get back from Germany. Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 5 04:23:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA04770 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 04:23:49 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA04764 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 04:23:44 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA13654; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 13:20:21 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id NAA08859 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 13:20:20 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA12428 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 13:17:25 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199503051217.NAA12428@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: What is _that_ ranlib for? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 13:17:23 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 642 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, one thing that's been bothering me all the time: > make install Installing new math.h install -c -o bin -g bin -m 444 libm.a /usr/lib ranlib -t /usr/lib/libm.a ranlib: /usr/lib/libm.a: Permission denied *** Error code 1 Stop. What is _this_ ranlib for? Is it really needed? The library has just been made an ranlib'ed, but the above behaviour of `make install' brakes installation for non-root people (like ``bin'' in this case). (I hate to work as root, this is sorta self-protection.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 5 05:22:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA05422 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 05:22:26 -0800 Received: from pyromania.apana.org.au (pyromania.apana.org.au [202.12.87.123]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA05416 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 05:22:18 -0800 Received: (from john@localhost) by pyromania.apana.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA05607 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 00:20:05 +1000 From: John Herks Message-Id: <199503051420.AAA05607@pyromania.apana.org.au> Subject: Daylight Savings ? To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 00:20:05 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 724 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Whats the correct way to change the timezone with 2.0R ? At the moment it's EST +1000 and I want to make it EST +1100. I have /etc/localtime set to Melbourne Australia. -- \|/ (@ @) ----------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo----------------------------------- ``` ''' John Herks Communications Engineer Pyromania Unix Melbourne john@pyromania.apana.org.au Phone:+613-650-4776 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 5 05:56:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA05766 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 05:56:57 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA05760 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 05:56:48 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA30574; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:53:56 +1000 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:53:56 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199503051353.XAA30574@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, j@uriah.heep.sax.de Subject: Re: What is _that_ ranlib for? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> make install >Installing new math.h >install -c -o bin -g bin -m 444 libm.a /usr/lib >ranlib -t /usr/lib/libm.a >ranlib: /usr/lib/libm.a: Permission denied >*** Error code 1 >Stop. >What is _this_ ranlib for? Is it really needed? The library has just It changes the timestamp of __.SYMDEF to match the mtime of libm.a. The mtime was clobbered by installing libm.a :-(. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 5 06:41:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA07260 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 06:41:11 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA07254 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 06:41:00 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA31377; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 00:38:58 +1000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 00:38:58 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199503051438.AAA31377@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, john@pyromania.apana.org.au Subject: Re: Daylight Savings ? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Whats the correct way to change the timezone with 2.0R ? >At the moment it's EST +1000 and I want to make it EST +1100. >I have /etc/localtime set to Melbourne Australia. No changes should have been required just for the DST change, provided either 1) You have the system clock on GMT or 2) You had the system clock on local time before 2am Sunday, and the file /etc/wall_cmos_clock existed when you booted before then, and FreeBSD kept running for at least 121 minutes after 2am Sunday. Then adjkerntz should have adjusted the system clock at 3:01 am Sunday. It seemed to work right in Sydney Australia. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 5 13:41:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA01158 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 13:41:32 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA01141; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 13:41:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: brian@mediacity.com (Brian Litzinger) cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mail failed, returning to sender (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 05 Mar 95 03:21:29 PST." Date: Sun, 05 Mar 1995 13:41:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1137.794439681@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I intend to contribute a driver for the Talisman Lite MPEG decoder > card. I'm currently using the local major device number. The source > indicated that I should post to this list to get a different major > device number. You are now allocated cdev #63 (I assume you don't also need a block device entry for an MPEG decoder!). Try and make sure this gets to us before the end of March - thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 5 14:07:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA03658 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 14:07:16 -0800 Received: from goof.com (root@goof.com [198.82.204.15]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA03647; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 14:07:12 -0800 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by goof.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA00590; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:05:35 -0500 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199503052205.RAA00590@goof.com> Subject: Re: gus_wave.c breaks kernel build To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph P. Kukulies) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:05:34 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503051917.UAA18987@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph P. Kukulies" at Mar 5, 95 08:17:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1101 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Christoph P. Kukulies wrote: > Could someone fix gus_wave.c please? gusintr(0,NULL) seems to be bogus > to me when it is declared gusintr(int) - also I see no usage of a > second parameter in the code of gus_card.c. I'm running on the kernel from 950210-SNAP - it builds fine one the sources from that date - what I'm wondering is if the code has changed since then? I don't know a heck of a lot about the sound driver - but I know there's a problem with the GUS MAX and snd-driv-2.90 + patches 1 and 2 that FreeBSD-current from the 950210 SNAP uses. Symptoms are the inability to play long wav samples (through using /dev/dsp), and when an au file is cat'd to /dev/audio, it never exits, repeating every once in a while. Any ideas on if this is fixed yet, or how to fix it? Thanks! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead -> Virginia Tech Center for Transportation Research - -> Multiple Platform System and Network Administration Work Related -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu | mmead@goof.com <- All Other ---- ------- WWW -> http://www.goof.com/~mmead --- ----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 5 14:49:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA08072 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 14:49:48 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA08042 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 14:49:28 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.10/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id XAA28300 ; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:48:12 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10372; Sun, 5 Mar 95 23:48:56 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <9503052248.AA10372@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Enough about the 3100 already!!! To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:48:56 +0100 (MET) Cc: "/I=HJ/G=Henk/S=STOBBE/OU=IAT/O=PTT Telecom/"@PTT-TELECOM.unisource.nl, FREEBSD-HACKERS@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Mar 5, 95 03:05:17 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development ctm#407 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 321 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Am I the only one who is getting a dozen copies of this message? No... I saw he's subscribed through a damned X.400 mail gateway. X.400 should have never been created. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #14: Sun Feb 26 16:31:40 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 5 14:53:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA08325 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 14:53:30 -0800 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA08318 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 14:53:26 -0800 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA00555 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for hackers@FreeBSD.org); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 08:52:39 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199503052252.AA00555@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: Re: Daylight Savings ? To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 08:52:38 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, john@pyromania.apana.org.au In-Reply-To: <199503051438.AAA31377@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Mar 6, 95 00:38:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 932 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>Whats the correct way to change the timezone with 2.0R ? > >>At the moment it's EST +1000 and I want to make it EST +1100. > >>I have /etc/localtime set to Melbourne Australia. > >No changes should have been required just for the DST change, >provided either > >1) You have the system clock on GMT > >or > >2) You had the system clock on local time before 2am Sunday, >and the file /etc/wall_cmos_clock existed when you booted before then, >and FreeBSD kept running for at least 121 minutes after 2am Sunday. >Then adjkerntz should have adjusted the system clock at 3:01 am >Sunday. It seemed to work right in Sydney Australia. I think that the real problem is that the timezone data you are using is correct for Sydney, but not for Melbourne (at least this year), so it has gone back to normal time too soon. The changeover worked fine for me (in Sydney). Maybe you could try the Hobart entry -- it is still at +1100. David From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 5 16:40:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA12858 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 16:40:19 -0800 Received: from arthur.cs.purdue.edu (root@arthur.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA12852 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 16:40:17 -0800 Received: from labgrader.cs.purdue.edu (root@labgrader.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.11.100]) by arthur.cs.purdue.edu (8.6.10/PURDUE_CS-1.3) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 19:40:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (jha@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by labgrader.cs.purdue.edu (8.6.10/PURDUE_CS-1.3) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 19:39:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199503060039.TAA09452@labgrader.cs.purdue.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Any SMP work being done? Date: Sun, 05 Mar 1995 19:39:57 -0500 From: jha@cs.purdue.edu ("John H. Aughey") Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was browsing through the March 14 PC Mag and found an advertisement for a upgrade system that turns a 486 based machine into a dual-processor machine. It plugs into any 168-pin 486 CPU socket and provides bays for two chips. It provides up to 256K of zero-wait-state L2 cache for each engine and will run in single processor mode for non SMP OS's. (p 66) This advert sparked my interested in the progress of SMP in FreeBSD. I'd like to get a hold of anyone who's working on this. If that expansion module can do what it says, I might take this up as a pet project. --- John H. Aughey (Instructional Lab Administrator) jha@cs.purdue.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 5 18:25:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA18161 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 18:25:33 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA18154 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 18:25:28 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA10370; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 12:23:18 +1000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 12:23:18 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199503060223.MAA10370@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, dawes@physics.usyd.edu.au Subject: Re: Daylight Savings ? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, john@pyromania.apana.org.au Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>Whats the correct way to change the timezone with 2.0R ? >> >>>At the moment it's EST +1000 and I want to make it EST +1100. >> >>>I have /etc/localtime set to Melbourne Australia. >I think that the real problem is that the timezone data you are using >is correct for Sydney, but not for Melbourne (at least this year), so >it has gone back to normal time too soon. The changeover worked fine >for me (in Sydney). Maybe you could try the Hobart entry -- it is still >at +1100. Yes, the FreeBSD data source file (/usr/src/share/zoneinfo/australasia) is wrong this year for Victoria and South Australia, although correct for Tasmania, so when the DST switch occurred in NSW, FreeBSD started reporting the wrong time in Victoria, and if you are running with the system clock on local time, then FreeBSD should have screwed up the system clock too :-]. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 5 22:07:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA23526 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 22:07:56 -0800 Received: from ulcc.uni-plovdiv.bg (ulcc.uni-plovdiv.bg [193.68.180.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA23516 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 22:07:41 -0800 Received: (root@localhost) by ulcc.uni-plovdiv.bg (8.6.9/8.3) id IAA03433; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 08:12:21 +0200 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 08:12:21 +0200 From: Vlado Zafirov Message-Id: <199503060612.IAA03433@ulcc.uni-plovdiv.bg> To: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp, taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw Subject: Re: "Giant Step" GIF test version Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm working in pre-press design center in Plovdiv, Bulgaria. We are specialized in design of advertisments, newspapers and magazines. Our computers are Macintosh Quadras with PhotoShop 3.0. We also have drum scanner Howtek 4000 (4000 dpi) and Linotronic 530 for creating of high quality output. We use KPT filters widely and if you have any ideas for loading these "godzilas" let me know. Yours, Vlado Zafirov From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 5 22:58:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA24464 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 22:58:54 -0800 Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA24457 for hackers; Sun, 5 Mar 1995 22:58:53 -0800 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 22:58:53 -0800 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199503060658.WAA24457@freefall.cdrom.com> To: hackers Subject: ARGH! Mail robot blown away.. Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Did anyone use the mail robot that USED to reply to info@FreeBSD.org postings for any local project, perchance, and also have a copy somewhere? We lost this in the spamming and I've just realized that the backup copies I had were also in my home directory, which was spammed! Argh! Oh well, we'll do backups someday.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 6 02:03:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA29192 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 02:03:31 -0800 Received: from minnow.render.com (render.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.118]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA29182 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 02:03:24 -0800 Received: (from dfr@localhost) by minnow.render.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA01128; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:05:44 GMT Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:05:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: hasty@netcom.com cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Lites and Doom In-Reply-To: <199503031944.LAA13819@netcom14.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 3 Mar 1995 hasty@netcom.com wrote: > (4) There is no ethernet driver for my SMC card. So I can't aim > the display to another FreeBSD. We may have to develop a strategy > to port some of our drivers to lites . Which SMC ethernet card are you using? I have an Elite Ultra and the mach4 ul driver works with it. Just change mach4-i386/kernel/bogus/ul.h to define NUL to 1. -- Doug Rabson, RenderMorphics Ltd. Mail: dfr@render.com Phone: +44 171 251 4411 FAX: +44 171 251 0939 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 6 05:34:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA05409 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 05:34:31 -0800 Received: from inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.33]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA05402 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 05:34:24 -0800 Received: from dude.pcs.dec.com by inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA12176; Mon, 6 Mar 95 05:25:18 -0800 Received: by dude.pcs.dec.com (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.16.1 #16.37) id ; Mon, 6 Mar 95 14:22 MEZ Message-Id: From: me@dude.pcs.dec.com ( Michael Elbel ) Subject: Re: backspace now broken (proposal) To: ugen@netvision.net.il (Ugen J.S.Antsilevich) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 14:22:55 +0100 (MEZ) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: me@FreeBSD.org (Michael Elbel) In-Reply-To: from "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" at Mar 6, 95 02:34:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 961 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >But having to tell new > >FreeBSD users that they have to put a 'stty erase ^h' in .login or > >.profile of *each and every* user of their system is just plain > >unnecessary complication of affairs. > Hmm..this can be done by default in default /etc/.cshrc and friends,then > those who hate ^H to be erase by default can be happy,and ^H will work... > BTW that's the first thing i even do on my systems after installation.. > Not only FreeBSD but even SunOS has this problemm... > Yes, it can be done, but that would be plain bogus (IMO). We'd have to put this in as default, e.g. into /etc/profile and /etc/csh.login. This is a *default*. Why kludge it in two places if it can be fixed in one. *And* we'd have to deal with the complaints when people open xterms without using the -ls option, *and* it wouldn't work in single user mode. Michael -- Michael Elbel, Digital-PCS GmbH, Muenchen, Germany - me@FreeBSD.org Fermentation fault (coors dumped) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 6 08:00:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA08974 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 08:00:40 -0800 Received: from expo.x.org (expo.x.org [198.112.45.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA08962 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 08:00:16 -0800 Received: from fedora.x.org by expo.x.org id AA06536; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:59:27 -0500 Received: by fedora.x.org id AA00134; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:59:26 -0500 Message-Id: <9503061559.AA00134@fedora.x.org> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: backspace now broken (proposal) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 06 Mar 1995 14:22:55 +0100." Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 10:59:25 EST From: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >But having to tell new >> >FreeBSD users that they have to put a 'stty erase ^h' in .login or >> >.profile of *each and every* user of their system is just plain >> >unnecessary complication of affairs. >> Hmm..this can be done by default in default /etc/.cshrc and friends,then >> those who hate ^H to be erase by default can be happy,and ^H will work... >> BTW that's the first thing i even do on my systems after installation.. >> Not only FreeBSD but even SunOS has this problemm... >Yes, it can be done, but that would be plain bogus (IMO). We'd have >to put this in as default, e.g. into /etc/profile and /etc/csh.login. >This is a *default*. Why kludge it in two places if it can be fixed in >one. *And* we'd have to deal with the complaints when people open >xterms without using the -ls option, *and* it wouldn't work in single user >mode. For xterm add: *ttyModes: erase ^h to your /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-default/XTerm file if you want it to be a system-wide configuration. -- Kaleb KEITHLEY From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 6 08:35:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA10352 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 08:35:00 -0800 Received: from nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA10343 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 08:34:58 -0800 Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.9+2.4Wb/3.3Wb) id BAA25616; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 01:34:37 +0900 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 01:34:37 +0900 Message-Id: <199503061634.BAA25616@nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! Now I release a revised version of "Giant Step" GIF. This picture is placed on http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/ Please open this directory with your WWW brouser, and you can get these files. giantstep2-512x512.gif (512x512 dot 8-bit GIF) giantstep2-768x768.gif (768x768 dot 8-bit GIF) giantstep2-1024x1024.gif (1024x1024 dot 8-bit GIF) -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (Keio Univ.) WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 6 10:00:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA13207 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:00:38 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA13200 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:00:36 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA18587; Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:54:10 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9503061754.AA18587@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Any SMP work being done? To: jha@cs.purdue.edu (John H. Aughey) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 95 10:54:09 MST Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503060039.TAA09452@labgrader.cs.purdue.edu> from "John H. Aughey" at Mar 5, 95 07:39:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I was browsing through the March 14 PC Mag and found an advertisement > for a upgrade system that turns a 486 based machine into a > dual-processor machine. It plugs into any 168-pin 486 CPU socket and > provides bays for two chips. It provides up to 256K of zero-wait-state > L2 cache for each engine and will run in single processor mode for non > SMP OS's. (p 66) Were the bays for 486, 386, or Pentium? Did it claim to follow the Intel MP spec? What did it cost, including processors (or processor, if a 486)? 800 number? Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 6 13:40:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA19209 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 13:40:36 -0800 Received: from arthur.cs.purdue.edu (root@arthur.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA19202 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 13:40:27 -0800 Received: from labgrader.cs.purdue.edu (root@labgrader.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.11.100]) by arthur.cs.purdue.edu (8.6.10/PURDUE_CS-1.3) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:40:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (jha@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by labgrader.cs.purdue.edu (8.6.10/PURDUE_CS-1.3) with SMTP id ; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:20:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199503062120.QAA13106@labgrader.cs.purdue.edu> To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Any SMP work being done? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 06 Mar 1995 10:54:09 MST." <9503061754.AA18587@cs.weber.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 16:20:49 -0500 From: jha@cs.purdue.edu ("John H. Aughey") Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <9503061754.AA18587@cs.weber.edu>, you wrote: > > provides bays for two chips. It provides up to 256K of zero-wait-state > > L2 cache for each engine and will run in single processor mode for non > > SMP OS's. (p 66) > Were the bays for 486, 386, or Pentium? The bays were for 486 chips at multiples of the current clock frequency. Your existing chip could be used as one of the processors. I would assume you probably could not mix different speed chips, but don't quote me on that. > Did it claim to follow the Intel MP spec? Didn't say. I was going to call the company to see if I could get any info just for curiosity. It would be nice, wouldn't it? > What did it cost, including processors (or processor, if a 486)? The quoted price was $499. Keep in mind that this was in the "New & Improved" section of PC Mag. The CPUs were not included, but as I said earlier, you can your your existing chip as one of them. > 800 number? Didn't have one. There is a regular number: 503-757-0934. I'm not premoting this product, it just caught my eye and sparked my interest in SMP for FreeBSD. --- John H. Aughey (Instructional Lab Administrator) jha@cs.purdue.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 6 16:36:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA24722 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:36:23 -0800 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA24714; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:36:18 -0800 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA04392; Tue, 7 Mar 95 00:35:57 GMT Received: by junco.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA16700; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 17:35:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 17:35:33 -0700 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9503070035.AA16700@junco.fsl.noaa.gov> To: jeffa@sybase.com Cc: mikepery@mcs.com, questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9503062221.AA01086@red_oak.sybgate.sybase.com> (jeffa@sybase.com) Subject: Re: Congradulations on A good job with the DOC's Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk You know, with this sudden talk of installation, it'd be nice if some future release of the FreeBSD CD-ROM could include a floppy so that users could do the install without needing to have access to MS-DOS at all. This isn't pivotal, but it would help with our image maintenance. While we come up with slogans like ``Windows NT---from the makers of EDLIN,'' Microsoft employees can retort with ``FreeBSD---made possible with MS-DOS.'' --k From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 6 16:59:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA25678 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:59:27 -0800 Received: from phoenix.net (gclarkii@phoenix.phoenix.net [199.3.232.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA25668 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:59:22 -0800 Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by phoenix.net (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA23876 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 18:56:46 -0600 From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199503070056.SAA23876@ phoenix.net> Subject: VM86 stuff To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 18:56:46 -0500 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 778 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I've been working on intergrating the work done on NetBSD to allow for VM86 mode. I've done ifdefs on every change so it should be none lethal (I hope...:)). I'm in the process of compiling a kernel right now and if there are no bombs in the compile and no panics on boot, I'll make a diff. The only problem is that my diff would be in relation to 2.0-RELEASE and not current (I've only got one machine now:(). Most likely there will be a bomb or a panic due to fact that a major portion of the interfaces have changed. (e.g. IDTVEC in exception.s instead of locore.s, different setup of struct and so on) After I've spent a little bit of time on this, I would like to get some help from the pros. Anyone who knows the kernel pretty well want to help out? Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 6 23:05:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA07345 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:05:15 -0800 Received: from bernina.ethz.ch (bernina-rz-fddi.ethz.ch [129.132.98.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA07339 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:05:13 -0800 Received: from lagonda (actually lagonda.wsl.ch) by bernina.ethz.ch with SMTP inbound; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:04:32 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 08:04:31 +0100 Message-Id: <9503070704.AA00804@lagonda> Received: from log by lagonda.wsl.ch id AA00804; Tue, 7 Mar 95 08:04:31 +0100 X-Sender: hoffmann@mail.wsl.ch X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, seidl@cdrom.com, rob@cdrom.com From: hoffmann@wsl.ch (Christian Hoffmann) Subject: Linux mouse 3 buttons Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hallo, I have now installed Walnut Creek Plug-and-Play Linux on my 486Dx2/66, for the xth time. I have the following problem: In Linux itself and in Xwindows the middle click of my Logitech Mouseman is not properly treated. It is processed like the left button. Yes, I can switch on the middle button of a Logitech Mouseman, by specifying chordmiddle BUT I need also interclicks, i.e. Holding down one mouse button while pressing another. This feature is NEEDED in Linux Oberon from ETHZurich. The mouse is ok in DOS/Windows. Can there be a technical flaw in the mouse that only Linux can "see"? Is there a mouse switch in the setup of Linux, or does it sense the mouse from the serial port at startup? If there is no switch, why is there in Xwindows? Thank you for your help Cheers Christian Hoffmann Swiss Federal Institute for Forest, Snow and Landscape Research CH-8903 Birmensdorf, Switzerland phone: ++41-1-739 22 77 fax : ++41-1-739 22 15 e-mail: hoffmann@wsl.ch From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 6 23:19:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA07530 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:19:45 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA07458; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:16:26 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id XAA24863; Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:16:05 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503070716.XAA24863@ref.tfs.com> Subject: A minor accident To: core@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:16:05 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1325 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk March 6th 1995, 23:00 freefall time. Cyberspace, 3rd door on the right. Hello World, We had a minor accident on march 6th 17:24 (freefall time) and lost all of the mailing lists. These have now, march 6th 23:00 (freefall time) been restored from the backup from this morning march 6th 05:30 (freefall time). This means: 1) any mail sent to any list @freebsd.org between 17:24 and 23:00 is lost, and must be retransmitted (if it was significant) 2) any changes to the lists during today was lost. You can send an an email to "majordomo@freebsd.org" with a body of one line saying "which" or "which my@address.com" and it will tell you what lists you are on. 3) our backups work! :-) I would like to stress that there is no evidence or reason to suspect malicious intent or activities. I guess we can all use more sleep. I havn't heard the story yet, but I'm sure given time and opportunity, we will have a good laugh about it, (unless it's a bug in a perl script :) At least i expect somebody to pay me a beer some time... <-- HINT! I would like to thank Satoshi, for noticing and warning me about it, and Gary for the backup which saved us, Thanks guys! PS: freefall time is mostly UTC-0800. -- Poul-Henning Kamp Core Team, 2.1 Release engineer, and presently: jack of all trades. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 01:05:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA09989 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 01:05:53 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA09983 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 01:05:50 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA15286; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 01:05:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199503070905.BAA15286@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: estienne.cs.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hoffmann@wsl.ch (Christian Hoffmann) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, seidl@cdrom.com, rob@cdrom.com Subject: Re: Linux mouse 3 buttons In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Mar 1995 08:04:31 +0100." <9503070704.AA00804@lagonda> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 01:05:25 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Hallo, > >I have now installed Walnut Creek Plug-and-Play Linux on my 486Dx2/66, for >the xth time. > >I have the following problem: First, this is a FreeBSD forum, not a Linux forum. Linux != FreeBSD. ;-) Second, your question is really neither a Linux nor FreeBSD question, but an XFree86 question. I would suggest you look into getting help through their support channels. >Thank you for your help >Cheers >Christian Hoffmann >Swiss Federal Institute for Forest, Snow and Landscape Research >CH-8903 Birmensdorf, Switzerland >phone: ++41-1-739 22 77 fax : ++41-1-739 22 15 e-mail: hoffmann@wsl.ch > -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 07:02:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA16302 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:02:03 -0800 Received: from robbie.scsn.net (root@robbie.scsn.net [199.1.89.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA16296 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:01:58 -0800 Received: by robbie.scsn.net (Smail3.1.28.1 #10) id m0rm0mu-000K6RC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 10:03 EST Message-Id: From: pritchet@scsn.net (Ron Pritchett) Subject: freebsd help (fwd) To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:03:04 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: pritchet@scsn.net Return-Reply-To: pritchet@scsn.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 204 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there a way to make the username/password longer than 8 characters? I'd like @ least 12. I'm using 2.0-release.... thanks --- #include Ron Pritchett email: pritchet@realm-software.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 08:02:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA17473 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:02:55 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA17467 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:02:52 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.10/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id QAA26131 ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:59:00 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01558; Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:59:55 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <9503071559.AA01558@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: freebsd help (fwd) To: pritchet@scsn.net Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:59:55 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Ron Pritchett" at Mar 7, 95 10:03:04 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development ctm#429 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 536 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is there a way to make the username/password longer than 8 characters? I'd > like @ least 12. I'm using 2.0-release.... The 8 chars limit came from DES. If you want to use longer passwords,you must not use the seperate securedist (US version) but only the builtin scheme which use MD5. Beware that when using the MD5 version, you're not compatible any more with the rest of the world... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #1: Mon Mar 6 23:55:18 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 08:35:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA17910 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:35:08 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA17904 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:35:05 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA24636; Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:28:21 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9503071628.AA24636@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Linux mouse 3 buttons To: hoffmann@wsl.ch (Christian Hoffmann) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 9:28:20 MST Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, seidl@cdrom.com, rob@cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <9503070704.AA00804@lagonda> from "Christian Hoffmann" at Mar 7, 95 08:04:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have now installed Walnut Creek Plug-and-Play Linux on my 486Dx2/66, for > the xth time. This is the BSD hackers list, not even the questions list; have you tried the Linux mailing lists or news groups? > I have the following problem: > > In Linux itself and in Xwindows the middle click of my Logitech Mouseman is > not properly treated. It is processed like the left button. > > Yes, I can switch on the middle button of a Logitech Mouseman, by specifying > > chordmiddle > > BUT I need also interclicks, i.e. Holding down one mouse button while > pressing another. This feature is NEEDED in Linux Oberon from ETHZurich. > > The mouse is ok in DOS/Windows. Can there be a technical flaw in the mouse > that only Linux can "see"? > > Is there a mouse switch in the setup of Linux, or does it sense the mouse > from the serial port at startup? If there is no switch, why is there in > Xwindows? I don't understand from the above whether this problem is in using the mouse in text mode or in an X windows environment. If an X problem, then you need to examine your XFree86 man pages. Start with "man X", and follow the cross references until you get a description of the "mouse" line for your XF86Config file. Most likely, you have lied to X and told it you have a Microsoft mouse. Microsoft mice have only two buttons. I believe that you will find one of the other mouse type options will fix the problem. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 09:53:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA20114 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:53:48 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA20106 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:53:31 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA10293; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:52:22 +0200 Message-Id: <199503071752.TAA10293@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: backspace now broken (proposal) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 19:52:22 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is getting _really_ silly now. The conclusion has pretty much been reached that the key should send 0x08 and the key should send 0x7f. Why not just make that the default everywhere. Having system config files to correct your term to the compiled-in default is just plain _stupid_, particularly if the term is a part of the system like a console or an xterm. Sure, if you don't like the standard, you can reconfigure, but then it is up to you to do _both_ the keyboard _and_ the stty. Having a standard half set looks sloppy too. M > > >> >But having to tell new > >> >FreeBSD users that they have to put a 'stty erase ^h' in .login or > >> >.profile of *each and every* user of their system is just plain > >> >unnecessary complication of affairs. > >> Hmm..this can be done by default in default /etc/.cshrc and friends,then > >> those who hate ^H to be erase by default can be happy,and ^H will work... > >> BTW that's the first thing i even do on my systems after installation.. > >> Not only FreeBSD but even SunOS has this problemm... > > >Yes, it can be done, but that would be plain bogus (IMO). We'd have > >to put this in as default, e.g. into /etc/profile and /etc/csh.login. > >This is a *default*. Why kludge it in two places if it can be fixed in > >one. *And* we'd have to deal with the complaints when people open > >xterms without using the -ls option, *and* it wouldn't work in single user > >mode. > > For xterm add: > > *ttyModes: erase ^h > > to your /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-default/XTerm file if you want it to > be a system-wide configuration. > > -- > > Kaleb KEITHLEY -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 10:42:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA21293 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:42:58 -0800 Received: from earth.sarnoff.com (earth.sarnoff.com [130.33.8.176]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA21287 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:42:56 -0800 Received: from mini.sarnoff.com by earth.sarnoff.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15906; Tue, 7 Mar 95 13:40:47 EST Received: by mini.sarnoff.com (931110.SGI/930416.SGI) for @earth.sarnoff.com:hackers@freebsd.org id AA20636; Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:56:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:56:10 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Minnich To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: pci expansion rom register mapping support (not there in 2.0) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk maybe this has changed but in the pci support i have there's not expansion rom mapping support. I am adding this and if it's not in i'd like to ship my changes to whoever owns pci support nowadays. ron From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 12:02:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA23552 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:02:16 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA23545; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:02:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Mar 95 01:34:37 +0900." <199503061634.BAA25616@nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 12:02:14 -0800 Message-ID: <23544.794606534@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Now I release a revised version of "Giant Step" GIF. This picture is > placed on > > http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/ Hmmmm. I guess I can live with the wording.. :-) Just one final nit-picking question - do you think it would be better with the picture bordered so that the daemon's shadow doesn't merge with the frame, or was this effect intentional? I'm genuinely asking here since I'm not actually sure how it would look both ways - I've no paint program here to actually fuss with it myself and see. That it might actually look WORSE with a border is a possibility I'm more than willing to grant. Also, for a poster it would be nice to get a 24 bit version. Is this possible? Thanks! And despite what may seem like a lot of criticism coming from Walnut Creek, thanks for doing this unpaid graphic artist work! We were going to *pay* someone to draw all this for us! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 12:06:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA23656 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:06:00 -0800 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA23648 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:05:56 -0800 Received: by brasil.moneng.mei.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11774; Tue, 7 Mar 95 14:04:06 CST From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <9503072004.AA11774@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Enough about the 3100 already!!! To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:04:06 -0600 (CST) Cc: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, "/I=HJ/G=Henk/S=STOBBE/OU=IAT/O=PTT@ref.tfs.com, Telecom/"@ptt-telecom.unisource.nl@ref.tfs.com, FREEBSD-HACKERS@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503050732.XAA17532@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Mar 4, 95 11:32:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4beta PL9] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 602 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Am I the only one who is getting a dozen copies of this message? > I hope to have killed the source of it, though I cannot tell how > many more will come. > > If anybody sets up mail<->news gateways, please do it more right than > this unlucky site. news.sol.net has been gatewaying several of the lists for nearly a year (freebsd-hackers@ns.sol.net, et al).... no problems. :-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 12:06:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA23702 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:06:54 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA23694; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:06:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Another small nitpick [was Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF] In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Mar 95 01:34:37 +0900." <199503061634.BAA25616@nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 12:06:52 -0800 Message-ID: <23693.794606812@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ Yes, I'm waiting for the airport shuttle and trying to think up useless things to do in the interim! :-) ] I also notice that it's kind of hard to orient the footprint and the location the daemon is obviously standing in to create the shadow (though the shadow from the ladder is pretty acute and the daemon's shadow less so, so it's still a little hard). To get a sense of "action" from this image it might be better to skew the footprint a little so that it's plain that the daemon was walking towards the location he's now standing in. I know it seems a small detail, but the viewers eye takes notice of these small details and it all either adds up to a feeling of "reality" about the picture or it doesn't. The picture, as clearly and expertly drawn as it is, somehow doesn't give me that exact feeling. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 12:13:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA24055 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:13:04 -0800 Received: from snoopy.mv.com (snoopy.mv.com [199.125.64.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA24041 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:12:54 -0800 Received: (from pw@localhost) by snoopy.mv.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id OAA01546; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:41:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:41:13 -0500 From: "Paul F. Werkowski" Message-Id: <199503071941.OAA01546@snoopy.mv.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: SYSV{SHM|MSG} kills network?? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here is a strange problem to which I hope someone on this list knows the answer. I was running a stock 2.0 kernel connected to ethernet by DE435 PCI NIC. Kernel was also built with SYSVSHM. This system got along just fine on our small LAN. A few weeks ago I added options SYSVMSG and SYSVSEM and rebuilt the kernel. The new system then had network problems which caused repeated NFS hangs, etc. Ping from the FreeBSD box to any other system resulted in OK performance for about 45 seconds followed by 45 seconds of lost packets, followed by 45 seconds of ok response, followed by 45 seconds of lost packets, etc.. From TCPDUMP it appeared that nothing was received for about 50% of the time. Rebuilding the kernel without SYSVMSG and SYSVSEM returned the network to OK performance. So, is this fixed in -current or can anyone confirm this behavior? Paul From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 12:21:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA24438 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:21:00 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA24428 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:20:56 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA00643; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:20:30 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA01516; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:20:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199503072020.MAA01516@corbin.Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: corbin.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Paul F. Werkowski" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SYSV{SHM|MSG} kills network?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Mar 95 14:41:13 EST." <199503071941.OAA01546@snoopy.mv.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 12:20:24 -0800 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I was running a stock 2.0 kernel connected to ethernet by DE435 PCI >NIC. Kernel was also built with SYSVSHM. This system got along just >fine on our small LAN. A few weeks ago I added options SYSVMSG and >SYSVSEM and rebuilt the kernel. The new system then had network >problems which caused repeated NFS hangs, etc. Ping from the FreeBSD >box to any other system resulted in OK performance for about 45 >seconds followed by 45 seconds of lost packets, followed by 45 seconds >of ok response, followed by 45 seconds of lost packets, etc.. From >TCPDUMP it appeared that nothing was received for about 50% of the >time. Rebuilding the kernel without SYSVMSG and SYSVSEM returned the >network to OK performance. > >So, is this fixed in -current or can anyone confirm this behavior? Yes, it's fixed in -current. It was caused by a bad assumption about allocated memory being physically contiguous at startup. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 12:49:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA25113 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:49:07 -0800 Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA25107 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:49:05 -0800 Received: (from bugs@localhost) by ns1.win.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA01281 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:49:41 -0500 From: Mark Hittinger Message-Id: <199503072049.PAA01281@ns1.win.net> Subject: Re: freebsd help (fwd) To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:49:41 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 937 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > >pritchet@scsn.net writes: > > > > Is there a way to make the username/password longer than 8 characters? I'd > > like @ least 12. I'm using 2.0-release.... > > roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) writes: > > The 8 chars limit came from DES. If you want to use longer passwords,you > must not use the seperate securedist (US version) but only the builtin > scheme which use MD5. Beware that when using the MD5 version, you're > not compatible any more with the rest of the world... I think he really wanted longer usernames. Many Unix systems allow more than 8 character user names. One of the systems I badly want to convert/trash/ get-rid-of/burn/eliminate has 10 character user names. It is the last SYSV era machine left here. I am almost done with the changes that I think need to be made for this. I am blowing it out to 16 characters - why not live a little? Its FreeBSD! Regards, Mark Hittinger bugs@win.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 13:31:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA26367 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:31:03 -0800 Received: from ashe.cs.tcd.ie (ashe.cs.tcd.ie [134.226.32.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA26359 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:30:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199503072130.NAA26359@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: from localhost by ashe.cs.tcd.ie with SMTP (PP) id <14708-0@ashe.cs.tcd.ie>; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:30:03 +0000 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp Subject: Re: Another small nitpick [was Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF] In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Mar 1995 12:06:52 PST." <23693.794606812@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5gamma 8/15/94 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 21:29:45 +0000 From: Donal Tobin Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > [ Yes, I'm waiting for the airport shuttle and trying to think up useless > things to do in the interim! :-) ] > > I also notice that it's kind of hard to orient the footprint and the > location the daemon is obviously standing in to create the shadow > (though the shadow from the ladder is pretty acute and the daemon's > shadow less so, so it's still a little hard). To get a sense of > "action" from this image it might be better to skew the footprint a > little so that it's plain that the daemon was walking towards the > location he's now standing in. Yeah this is quite visible. The real reason is that it looks as if it is a foot print from the left leg but it is in the positon that one would expect the right leg to be in (given its relationship to the ladder and shadow). The curve on the footprint indicates that is is a left to me. > I know it seems a small detail, but the viewers eye takes notice of > these small details and it all either adds up to a feeling of > "reality" about the picture or it doesn't. The picture, as clearly > and expertly drawn as it is, somehow doesn't give me that exact > feeling. This is real comercial quality imagery - it is the kind of poster people would pay mucho spondulics for. As ever ... Donal. VOo=-+*+-=oOVOo=-+*+-=oOVOo=-+*+-=oOVOo=-+*+-=oOVOo=-+*+-=oOV | Donal.Tobin@tcd.ie | When you get carried away | | +353-1-608-1797 | by enthusiasm you may be lucky | | Will take MIME | if you can hitch-hike it back. | AOo=-+*+-=oOAOo=-+*+-=oOAOo=-+*+-=oOAOo=-+*+-=oOAOo=-+*+-=oOA Info here :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 13:31:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA26389 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:31:22 -0800 Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA26382 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:31:18 -0800 Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.10/1.53) id WAA09928; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:30:42 +0100 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199503072130.WAA09928@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: new leapseconds file? To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:30:42 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 386 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I see our current leapseconds file has as its last leapsecond 30 june 1994. I recall reading somewhere where the official ftp site for this file is, but I forgot. So I looked at the place where the zic compiler is located. Though the compiler itsself is updated (anyone busy with it right now?), the leapseconds file is equal to ours. Does anyone know where to find this file? -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 13:53:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA27537 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:53:34 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA27531 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:53:26 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id NAA26908; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:52:52 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503072152.NAA26908@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: new leapseconds file? To: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:52:51 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503072130.WAA09928@gvr.win.tue.nl> from "Guido van Rooij" at Mar 7, 95 10:30:42 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 716 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I see our current leapseconds file has as its last leapsecond 30 june > 1994. I recall reading somewhere where the official ftp site for this > file is, but I forgot. So I looked at the place where the zic compiler > is located. Though the compiler itsself is updated (anyone busy with > it right now?), the leapseconds file is equal to ours. > > Does anyone know where to find this file? There hasn't been any leapseconds since june '94 to my knowledge. They can only happen twice a year (end of june or december) and they are only announced about 4 months in advance. -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 14:14:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA28075 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:14:48 -0800 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA28050; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:13:57 -0800 Received: by brasil.moneng.mei.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12153; Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:12:15 CST From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <9503072212.AA12153@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: key exchange for rlogin/telnet services? To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:12:14 -0600 (CST) Cc: barry@nacm.com, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, security@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199503011443.QAA12358@grunt.grondar.za> from "Mark Murray" at Mar 1, 95 04:43:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4beta PL9] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 480 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > FWIW, there is a telnet client in src/secure/usr.bin that is not part of the > build. This seems to be 'work in progress' that stopped a while ago. > > What about using that? > > M This works, I had to hack at it for nearly a day, but it can be made to work. :-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 14:24:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA28278 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:24:10 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA28262; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:23:55 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id OAA26993; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:21:43 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503072221.OAA26993@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: key exchange for rlogin/telnet services? To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:21:43 -0800 (PST) Cc: mark@grondar.za, barry@nacm.com, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, security@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <9503072212.AA12153@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Mar 7, 95 04:12:14 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 456 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > FWIW, there is a telnet client in src/secure/usr.bin that is not part of the > > build. This seems to be 'work in progress' that stopped a while ago. > > > > What about using that? > > > > M > > This works, I had to hack at it for nearly a day, but it can be made to work. :-) > I didn't see the patch... ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 14:40:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA28499 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:40:02 -0800 Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA28485 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:39:54 -0800 Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.10/1.53) id XAA10095; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 23:39:20 +0100 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199503072239.XAA10095@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: new leapseconds file? To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 23:39:19 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503072152.NAA26908@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Mar 7, 95 01:52:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 291 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > There hasn't been any leapseconds since june '94 to my knowledge. They > can only happen twice a year (end of june or december) and they are > only announced about 4 months in advance. > Okay. I just wanted to be sure 2.1 ships with the right info. -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 14:46:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA28629 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:46:32 -0800 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA28614; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:46:24 -0800 Received: by brasil.moneng.mei.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12270; Tue, 7 Mar 95 16:44:10 CST From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <9503072244.AA12270@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: key exchange for rlogin/telnet services? To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:44:09 -0600 (CST) Cc: mark@grondar.za, barry@nacm.com, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, security@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199503072221.OAA26993@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Mar 7, 95 02:21:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4beta PL9] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2144 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I didn't see the patch... ? Because there wasn't one. In order to get this to work, I had to bring up eBones with the DES code from Kerberos, which got me some DES functions not in the "export" version (des_new_random_key and friends I believe, details in /usr/src/secure/lib/libtelnet/enc_des.c). I also had to do a fair amount of piddling around to get the proper versions of things installed and usable, and certainly didn't have the time to waste on fixing the build process, which as far as I could make out was simply useless. Maybe pilot error. Too much crud spread out over too much of the tree. I was simply delighted that I got it to work at all, given the problems I had getting Kerberos / eBones up to begin with. And my goal was simply to get at (what I thought at the time was) something nobody else really seemed to care about. I got my crypted telnet, and several comments from Prof. George Davida about how it wasn't very secure if it depended on Kerberos. :-) But a fairly decent lock is better than no lock at all. I am certainly willing to provide copies of my source tree. It is not by any means "buildable" in a reasonable fashion, but it DOES seem to have all the basic components needed. It's several months old; I use it daily. Because of stupid governmental regulations, my offer is only open to folks whom I could legally hand a copy of DES to. Since I don't know the legal aspects any further than that, I am not interested in pursuing this any further than perhaps a cooperative cleanup effort of some sort. I don't have the time to try substituting a different type of encryption, making it work with the "exported" DES, et al. :-( Too many other fires under my butt right now. But I would be delighted to work on cleaning up the code, if someone else (particularly someone who has worked with the FreeBSD trees and is familiar with the 4.4 Makefile stuff/etc) is willing to help. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 14:53:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA28816 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:53:23 -0800 Received: from augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.au (daemon@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.28.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA28804 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:53:11 -0800 Received: by augean (5.61+IDA+MU/4.8.36) id AA02867 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:21:36 +1030 Message-Id: <9503072251.AA02867@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.au> Received: by frenzy (4.1/COMMUNICA1.2-950118) id AA05444 for hackers%FreeBSD.org@augean.oz; Wed, 8 Mar 95 09:21:20 CST From: newton@communica.oz.au (Mark Newton) Subject: Re: freebsd help (fwd) To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:21:20 +0930 (CST) Cc: pritchet@scsn.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9503071559.AA01558@blaise.ibp.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Mar 7, 95 04:59:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 700 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Is there a way to make the username/password longer than 8 characters? I'd > > like @ least 12. I'm using 2.0-release.... > > The 8 chars limit came from DES. If you want to use longer passwords,you > must not use the seperate securedist (US version) but only the builtin > scheme which use MD5. Beware that when using the MD5 version, you're > not compatible any more with the rest of the world... One could argue that that's a good thing with password encryption :-) - mark --- Mark Newton Email: newton@communica.oz.au UNIX Consultant Phone: +61-8-373-2523 Communica Systems Consultants Fax: +61-8-373-2527 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 15:50:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA00275 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:50:31 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA00269 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:50:27 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id PAA26649; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:48:58 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199503072348.PAA26649@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: freebsd help (fwd) To: bugs@ns1.win.net (Mark Hittinger) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:48:58 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503072049.PAA01281@ns1.win.net> from "Mark Hittinger" at Mar 7, 95 03:49:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1254 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > > >pritchet@scsn.net writes: > > > > > > Is there a way to make the username/password longer than 8 characters? I'd > > > like @ least 12. I'm using 2.0-release.... > > > > roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) writes: > > > > The 8 chars limit came from DES. If you want to use longer passwords,you > > must not use the seperate securedist (US version) but only the builtin > > scheme which use MD5. Beware that when using the MD5 version, you're > > not compatible any more with the rest of the world... > > I think he really wanted longer usernames. Many Unix systems allow more than > 8 character user names. One of the systems I badly want to convert/trash/ > get-rid-of/burn/eliminate has 10 character user names. It is the last > SYSV era machine left here. > > I am almost done with the changes that I think need to be made for this. I > am blowing it out to 16 characters - why not live a little? Its FreeBSD! Why not blow it out to ``USERNAME_MAX'' so if someone wants to bump it beyond 16 they can? Also note that limits.h has: #define _POSIX_NAME_MAX 14 -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 16:27:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA01147 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:27:58 -0800 Received: from schizo.coe.montana.edu (schizo.coe.montana.edu [153.90.192.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA01141 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:27:57 -0800 Received: by schizo.coe.montana.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA00509; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 17:25:25 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 17:25:25 -0700 From: osyjm@schizo.coe.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen) Message-Id: <9503080025.AA00509@schizo.coe.montana.edu> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: bugs@ns1.win.net (Mark Hittinger), hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: freebsd help (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199503072348.PAA26649@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> References: <199503072049.PAA01281@ns1.win.net> <199503072348.PAA26649@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Uh, with changing the size of usernames, what kind of interoperability problems with other non-BSD systems for things like rsh, rcp, etc are being introduced if any? I have no idea, but I figured I'd ask. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 16:39:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA01326 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:39:38 -0800 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA01320 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:39:34 -0800 Received: from cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <01617-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:37:19 +1000 Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id KAA23408 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:40:42 +1000 Received: by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id AAA13175; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 00:37:56 GMT Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 00:37:56 GMT From: Stephen Hocking Message-Id: <199503080037.AAA13175@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Help - FreeBSD/NetBSD/4.4 BSD Lite Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Try Systemania, a Sydney company. They advertise in PC-Week and the other trade rags. Joseph Chillari(sp?) is the bloke who'll answer the phone. Tell hime that Steve Hocking wants to know how many Novell baseball caps he's chundered into lately (AUUG 94). Stephen >Hi, > >Sean Vickery suggested someone on this list may be able to tell >us where we can buy the FreeBSD CD-ROM. Are there any local >suppliers? Australian suppliers? > >Thanks, >Adrian From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 17:52:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA02960 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 17:52:25 -0800 Received: from gate.sinica.edu.tw (gate.sinica.edu.tw [140.109.14.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA02952 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 17:52:19 -0800 Received: by gate.sinica.edu.tw (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA25762; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:49:38 --800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:38:40 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao Subject: Re: Another small nitpick [was Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF] To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: HOSOKAWA Tatsumi , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <23693.794606812@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1561 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > [ Yes, I'm waiting for the airport shuttle and trying to think up useless > things to do in the interim! :-) ] There's dedication for ya. ;-) > I also notice that it's kind of hard to orient the footprint and the Does the daemon only have one leg or something? Where's the other footprint? I lose sleep at night wondering where it is. ;-) Another minor point: if the daemon climbs down ladders like everyone else does, wouldn't his feet point the other way? Jordan, you mentioned something about the border around the picture in another message. I wonder how it would look if the picture was expanded to the full size of the page, with the slogan ("*One* Giant Step...", not "*A* Giant Step..."!!! :) ) overlaid right on top of the graphic. What to do in that extra space? For the bottom half, just extend the lunar surface some more. For the top half, extend the shadow right down to the daemon's feet. That means the picture will include *just* the tops of his sneakers, standing there in the dirt. I think that would look pretty nifty. Oh, the top slogan will obscure that part, but it can moved to the bottom of the poster with the "FreeBSD 2.1" part. BTW, have we discarded the idea of including the daemon himself along with the lunar horizon, Earth and sun? Nice touch with the camera gridpoints too. Real NASA-like. :) -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 18:24:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA03392 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:24:59 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA03383 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:24:55 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id SAA26981; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:23:19 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199503080223.SAA26981@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: freebsd help (fwd) To: osyjm@schizo.coe.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:23:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: bugs@ns1.win.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9503080025.AA00509@schizo.coe.montana.edu> from "Jaye Mathisen" at Mar 7, 95 05:25:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 689 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Uh, with changing the size of usernames, what kind of interoperability > problems with other non-BSD systems for things like rsh, rcp, etc > are being introduced if any? I have no idea, but I figured I'd ask. My experience has been that when going from a system that accepts long usernames to short usernames the username just gets truncated by the destination machine. You can check this out by doing things like: rlogin some8usernamehost -l eightchr_SEE_IT_GOT_TRUNCATED You will have problems going the otherway :-(. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 18:26:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA03437 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:26:37 -0800 Received: from goof.com (root@goof.com [198.82.204.15]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA03431; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:26:34 -0800 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by goof.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA01253; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:26:06 -0500 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199503080226.VAA01253@goof.com> Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:26:04 -0500 (EST) Cc: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <23544.794606534@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 7, 95 12:02:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1080 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Now I release a revised version of "Giant Step" GIF. This picture is > > placed on > > http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/ > Hmmmm. I guess I can live with the wording.. :-) :-) I *really* liked the "A small step for UN*X/A giant step for PCs." Is it going to stay as it is? > Also, for a poster it would be nice to get a 24 bit version. Is this > possible? I'd love to have one! > Thanks! And despite what may seem like a lot of criticism coming from > Walnut Creek, thanks for doing this unpaid graphic artist work! We > were going to *pay* someone to draw all this for us! :-) Here here, it's a *great* poster! I think I may have to have Accelerated X put that up when it loads X. :-) Great work! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead -> Virginia Tech Center for Transportation Research - -> Multiple Platform System and Network Administration Work Related -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu | mmead@goof.com <- All Other ---- ------- WWW -> http://www.goof.com/~mmead --- ----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 18:46:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA03802 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:46:24 -0800 Received: from goof.com (root@goof.com [198.82.204.15]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA03795; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:46:21 -0800 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by goof.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA01314; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:45:54 -0500 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199503080245.VAA01314@goof.com> Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF To: mmead@goof.com (mmead) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:45:54 -0500 (EST) Cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "mmead" at Mar 7, 95 09:26:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 580 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk mmead wrote: > Here here, it's a *great* poster! I think I may have to have > Accelerated X put that up when it loads X. :-) > Great work! Oops - I forgot to mention - Leave the Chuck footprint in there! Definitely one of the funnier parts of the picture! :-) -matt -- Matthew C. Mead -> Virginia Tech Center for Transportation Research - -> Multiple Platform System and Network Administration Work Related -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu | mmead@goof.com <- All Other ---- ------- WWW -> http://www.goof.com/~mmead --- ----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 21:44:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA14678 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:44:45 -0800 Received: from goof.com (root@goof.com [198.82.204.15]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA14672 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:44:42 -0800 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by goof.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA00964 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 00:44:17 -0500 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199503080544.AAA00964@goof.com> Subject: SUP To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 00:44:16 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1246 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, thinking that I'd try out the new kernels with working sound, I tried to get sup running. Either it's been a long night, I can't read, or I'm just going totally crazy, but I can't get a working supfile for my life! Could someone help me out? What I want to do is have sup update the src tree each night, excluding the ports sources. My system sources live in /usr/src: mmead@goof % ls /usr/src COPYRIGHT bin gnu lkm share CVS-INFO eBones include release sys Makefile etc lib sbin usr.bin TODO games libexec secure usr.sbin I'd just like to update that stuff so I can mess with new kernels. Anyone know how to do it? It keeps telling me it can't change dir to the directory for no matter what I try :-/. Thanks in advance! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead -> Virginia Tech Center for Transportation Research - -> Multiple Platform System and Network Administration Work Related -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu | mmead@goof.com <- All Other ---- ------- WWW -> http://www.goof.com/~mmead --- ----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 22:06:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA14989 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:06:11 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA14972; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:05:46 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA13529; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:03:13 +0200 Message-Id: <199503080603.IAA13529@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Joe Greco cc: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp), mark@grondar.za, barry@nacm.com, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, security@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: key exchange for rlogin/telnet services? Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 08:03:13 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I didn't see the patch... ? > > Because there wasn't one. What are the chances of "sanitising" a diff so I can track you work here? I have some of the DES stuff available. > Because of stupid governmental regulations, my offer is only open to folks > whom I could legally hand a copy of DES to. Since I don't know the legal > aspects any further than that, I am not interested in pursuing this any > further than perhaps a cooperative cleanup effort of some sort. I don't have > the time to try substituting a different type of encryption, making it work > with the "exported" DES, et al. :-( Too many other fires under my butt > right now. But I would be delighted to work on cleaning up the code, if > someone else (particularly someone who has worked with the FreeBSD trees and > is familiar with the 4.4 Makefile stuff/etc) is willing to help. I would certainly be interested in any _LEGAL_ diffs you could give me. I do not mind re-creating work if that is what it takes. -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 22:07:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA15006 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:07:32 -0800 Received: from easynet.com (easyr.easynet.net [198.67.38.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA15000 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:07:30 -0800 Received: by easynet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rmEkU-000rcGC; Tue, 7 Mar 95 21:57 WET Message-Id: From: brian@MediaCity.com (Brian Litzinger) Subject: New Cyclades Driver needs Major Device #? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:57:30 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 969 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Folks (or it that hackers 8-)), I've been porting my Cyclades driver from BSD/OS 1.1 to FreeBSD, and today it said 'OK' in response to 'AT\r'. Yeah! My driver, in case you missed my other posting, is nice and robust and running at ISP sites under BSDI and working well and implements just about all of the intelligent features of the CD1400. I've re-named all the routines to avoid conflicts with the existing FreeBSD cyclades driver. I.E. my driver is 'cyb' as opposed to 'cy'. Shall I request a major device number for it? Or should we assume people will choose between mine and the existing one and assign their choice to the existing cy major device number? Brian Litzinger brian@easynet.com p.s. My MPEG driver for the Talisman hardware decoder is up and displaying MPEG systems streams in a Window under FreeBSD. Yeah2! Still have a way to go on the window control section. p.s.s. while I'm here anyway, why are netBSD and FreeBSD different efforts? From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 22:08:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA15027 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:08:29 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA15017 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:08:25 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA27366; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:06:56 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199503080606.WAA27366@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: SUP To: mmead@goof.com (matthew c. mead) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:06:56 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503080544.AAA00964@goof.com> from "matthew c. mead" at Mar 8, 95 00:44:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1415 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Well, thinking that I'd try out the new kernels with working sound, I tried > to get sup running. Either it's been a long night, I can't read, or I'm just > going totally crazy, but I can't get a working supfile for my life! Could > someone help me out? What I want to do is have sup update the src tree each > night, excluding the ports sources. My system sources live in /usr/src: > mmead@goof % ls /usr/src > COPYRIGHT bin gnu lkm share > CVS-INFO eBones include release sys > Makefile etc lib sbin usr.bin > TODO games libexec secure usr.sbin > > I'd just like to update that stuff so I can mess with new kernels. Anyone > know how to do it? It keeps telling me it can't change dir to the directory > for no matter what I try :-/. Thanks in > advance! What values are you using for base= and prefix= in your supfile? Did you look at the file: /usr/src/share/FAQ/extras/standard-supfile Also when running sup can it should be run as root, or it should be able to write to /usr/src [it needs to create /usr/src/sup/... for state information]. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 22:11:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA15099 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:11:32 -0800 Received: from goof.com (root@goof.com [198.82.204.15]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA15093 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:11:30 -0800 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by goof.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA01117; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 01:10:54 -0500 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199503080610.BAA01117@goof.com> Subject: Re: SUP To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 01:10:54 -0500 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503080606.WAA27366@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Mar 7, 95 10:06:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2778 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > going totally crazy, but I can't get a working supfile for my life! Could > > someone help me out? What I want to do is have sup update the src tree each > > night, excluding the ports sources. My system sources live in /usr/src: > What values are you using for base= and prefix= in your supfile? The standard ones... > Did you look at the file: > /usr/src/share/FAQ/extras/standard-supfile yeah... as root, I got this: bash# supscan -f standard-supfile supscan: Can't chdir to base directory release=current host=FreeBSD.ORG hostbase=/home base=/usr prefix=/usr/src delete old for base supscan: Can't chdir to base directory release=current host=FreeBSD.ORG hostbase=/home base=/usr prefix=/usr/src delete old for bin supscan: Can't chdir to base directory release=current host=FreeBSD.ORG hostbase=/home base=/usr prefix=/usr/src delete old for etc supscan: Can't chdir to base directory release=current host=FreeBSD.ORG hostbase=/home base=/usr prefix=/usr/src delete old for games supscan: Can't chdir to base directory release=current host=FreeBSD.ORG hostbase=/home base=/usr prefix=/usr/src delete old for gnu supscan: Can't chdir to base directory release=current host=FreeBSD.ORG hostbase=/home base=/usr prefix=/usr/src delete old for include supscan: Can't chdir to base directory release=current host=FreeBSD.ORG hostbase=/home base=/usr prefix=/usr/src delete old for sys supscan: Can't chdir to base directory release=current host=FreeBSD.ORG hostbase=/home base=/usr prefix=/usr/src delete old for lib supscan: Can't chdir to base directory release=current host=FreeBSD.ORG hostbase=/home base=/usr prefix=/usr/src delete old for libexec supscan: Can't chdir to base directory release=current host=FreeBSD.ORG hostbase=/home base=/usr prefix=/usr/src delete old for sbin supscan: Can't chdir to base directory release=current host=FreeBSD.ORG hostbase=/home base=/usr prefix=/usr/src delete old for share supscan: Can't chdir to base directory release=current host=FreeBSD.ORG hostbase=/home base=/usr prefix=/usr/src delete old for usrbin supscan: Can't chdir to base directory release=current host=FreeBSD.ORG hostbase=/home base=/usr prefix=/usr/src delete old for usrsbin > Also when running sup can it should be run as root, or it should be able > to write to /usr/src [it needs to create /usr/src/sup/... for state > information]. As above, I was running as root. Any ideas? -matt -- Matthew C. Mead -> Virginia Tech Center for Transportation Research - -> Multiple Platform System and Network Administration Work Related -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu | mmead@goof.com <- All Other ---- ------- WWW -> http://www.goof.com/~mmead --- ----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 22:14:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA15149 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:14:13 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA15142 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:14:04 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA13741; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:13:02 +0200 Message-Id: <199503080613.IAA13741@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "matthew c. mead" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SUP Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 08:13:02 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well, thinking that I'd try out the new kernels with working sound, I tri ed : : > I'd just like to update that stuff so I can mess with new kernels. Anyon e > know how to do it? It keeps telling me it can't change dir to the directory > for no matter what I try :-/. Thanks in > advance! base release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/src delete old compress bin release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/src delete old compress etc release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/src delete old compress games release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/src delete old compress gnu release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/src delete old compress include release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/src delete old compress sys release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/src delete old compress lib release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/src delete old compress libexec release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/src delete old compress sbin release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/src delete old compress share release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/src delete old compress usrbin release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/src delete old compress usrsbin release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/src delete old compress #ports-distfiles release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-archivers release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-audio release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-base release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-cad release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-comms release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-databases release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-devel release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-editors release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-games release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-graphics release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-lang release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-mail release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-math release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-net release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-news release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-print release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-shells release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-utils release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress ports-x11 release=current host=freefall.cdrom.com hostbase=/home base=/usr/src prefix=/usr/ports delete old compress -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 22:14:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA15164 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:14:56 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA15158 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:14:52 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA27410; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:13:25 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199503080613.WAA27410@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: SUP To: mmead@goof.com (matthew c. mead) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:13:24 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503080610.BAA01117@goof.com> from "matthew c. mead" at Mar 8, 95 01:10:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1140 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > going totally crazy, but I can't get a working supfile for my life! Could > > > someone help me out? What I want to do is have sup update the src tree each > > > night, excluding the ports sources. My system sources live in /usr/src: > > > What values are you using for base= and prefix= in your supfile? > > The standard ones... > > > Did you look at the file: > > /usr/src/share/FAQ/extras/standard-supfile > > yeah... as root, I got this: > bash# supscan -f standard-supfile Argh.... supscan is for the sup SERVER to build the sup list files. You should be doing something like: sup -v standard-supfile > > > Also when running sup can it should be run as root, or it should be able > > to write to /usr/src [it needs to create /usr/src/sup/... for state > > information]. > > As above, I was running as root. Any ideas? Wrong command... replace supscan with sup and -f with -v, and here is the virtual conical shaped hat <:-) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 22:52:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA15832 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:52:12 -0800 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA15824; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:52:02 -0800 Received: from cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <28581-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:47:49 +1000 Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id QAA26882; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:13:05 +1000 Received: from localhost by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id GAA15627; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 06:10:22 GMT Message-Id: <199503080610.GAA15627@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: current@FreeBSD.org cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Repair floppies - what should we have? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 16:10:20 +1000 From: Stephen Hocking Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Recently a crash in the middle of a make world trashed my libc.so, and this caused me to think long and hard about the issue of repair floppies. What I came up with was this - 1) A boot floppy with only a kernel and enough support to tell you to stick another floppy (the repair root fs) in the drive. This floppy should have your last OK kernel on it (particularly if you have some sort of weird hardware config that is not supported by the installation floppy). 2) The tools floppy. A root filesystem with the usual stuff, linked *statically* - /bin/sh, mount, fsck, disklabel, fdisk, tar, ed, cat, cp, mv, ln, ifconfig (any other candidates?). The system would come up on this and toss you into a shell. 3) The libraries floppy - a tarred floppy with all the important dynamic libraries on it. Anybody else got ideas? And, how do I persuade something to boot a kernel off one floppy and prompt me to insert a root fs? Stephen I do not speak for the Worker's Compensation Board of Queensland - They don't pay me enough for that! From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 7 23:08:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA16021 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 23:08:20 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA16011; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 23:08:19 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id XAA28557; Tue, 7 Mar 1995 23:07:44 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503080707.XAA28557@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Repair floppies - what should we have? To: sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au (Stephen Hocking) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 23:07:43 -0800 (PST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503080610.GAA15627@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> from "Stephen Hocking" at Mar 8, 95 04:10:20 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 643 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Recently a crash in the middle of a make world trashed my libc.so, and this > caused me to think long and hard about the issue of repair floppies. What I > came up with was this - We have a very open position for a "fixit" floppy designer... did I read your email as an application ? If I say please ? We had code in the kernel/boot-blocks to ask for a second floppy. We also have code to boot a compressed kernel (not comitted yet) + lots of other things/tools but we have little/no time :( -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 00:22:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA17290 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 00:22:02 -0800 Received: from coyote.rain.org (dcasba@coyote.rain.org [198.68.144.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA17282 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 00:22:00 -0800 Received: by coyote.rain.org(8.6.10/RAIN-1.0) with id AAA11104 for hackers@freeBSD.ORG on Wed, 8 Mar 1995 00:17:14 -0800 From: Tom Gray - DCA Message-Id: <199503080817.AAA11104@coyote.rain.org> Subject: FreeBSD uucp lock conventions To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 00:17:13 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 404 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Could someone answer a couple of questions about the uucp locking conventions used by FreeBSD? Namely, does it use the HoneyDanber style of ASCII pids in the lock files? Also, is the default directory for lock files /var/spool/lock? I've examined sources and the uucico binary. It appears that FreeBSD is using HoneyDanber locks and placing them in /var/spool/lock but I want to be sure. Thanks, John From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 02:05:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA20264 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 02:05:57 -0800 Received: from nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA20256; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 02:05:51 -0800 Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.9+2.4Wb/3.3Wb) id TAA01867; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 19:05:15 +0900 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 19:05:15 +0900 Message-Id: <199503081005.TAA01867@nanbu.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: mmead@goof.com Cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:26:04 -0500 (EST). <199503080226.VAA01253@goof.com> From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! In article <199503080226.VAA01253@goof.com> mmead@goof.com writes: >> Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> >> > > Now I release a revised version of "Giant Step" GIF. This picture is >> > > placed on >> >> > > http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/secret/ >> >> > Hmmmm. I guess I can live with the wording.. :-) >> >> :-) I *really* liked the "A small step for UN*X/A giant step for PCs." >> Is it going to stay as it is? I'm afraid of the use of word "UN*X", which may cause a legal problem or having a ironical taste which some people may feel it a bad taste one. So I removed these words from the image. But lettering work is the easiest work on that image and it can be replaced with other words so easily. I thank everyone gave me comments on my work. I adjust the layout of the objects and design of the footpoints and render a high resolutuion (over 4000 dot width and 24-bit depth) pictures which can be used as a poster. Thanks. -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (Keio Univ.) WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 03:30:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA23433 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 03:30:51 -0800 Received: from isl.cf.ac.uk (isl-gate.elsy.cf.ac.uk [131.251.22.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA23415; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 03:30:17 -0800 Received: (from paul@localhost) by isl.cf.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA02298; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:24:38 GMT From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199503081124.LAA02298@isl.cf.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Another small nitpick [was Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF] To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:24:37 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Mar 8, 95 09:38:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1361 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Brian Tao who said > > Does the daemon only have one leg or something? Where's the other > footprint? I lose sleep at night wondering where it is. ;-) Another > minor point: if the daemon climbs down ladders like everyone else does, > wouldn't his feet point the other way? Yeah, the general orientation does my head in. How about flipping things around so that the ladder is on the right of the picture with the footprint pointing away from it but with the shadow heading away from the ladder and upright from our point of view, rather than upside down as it is now. I'm still not too keen on the slogan. We should ditch the PC bit since we may use this for quite a while and other ports are on the horizon. Besides which, I just don't like the reference to PC's. What about, "A Giant Step for BSD" ? > BTW, have we discarded the idea of including the daemon himself along > with the lunar horizon, Earth and sun? Nice touch with the camera > gridpoints too. Real NASA-like. :) Hmm, I'm not sure I like the grid points either. This is really good work though, keep it up. -- Paul Richards, FreeBSD core team member. Phone: +44 1222 874000 x6646 (work), +44 1222 457651 (home) Dept. Mechanical Engineering, University of Wales, College Cardiff. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, JANET(UK): RICHARDSDP@CARDIFF.AC.UK From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 04:03:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA25056 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 04:03:17 -0800 Received: from frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA25048; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 04:03:14 -0800 Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.9+2.4Wb/3.3Wb) id VAA22688; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:00:13 +0900 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:00:13 +0900 Message-Id: <199503081200.VAA22688@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: paul@isl.cf.ac.uk Cc: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp Subject: Re: Another small nitpick [was Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF] In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:24:37 +0000 (GMT). <199503081124.LAA02298@isl.cf.ac.uk> From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199503081124.LAA02298@isl.cf.ac.uk> paul@isl.cf.ac.uk writes: >> What about, "A Giant Step for BSD" ? I like it. >> > BTW, have we discarded the idea of including the daemon himself along >> > with the lunar horizon, Earth and sun? Nice touch with the camera >> > gridpoints too. Real NASA-like. :) >> >> Hmm, I'm not sure I like the grid points either. I gave up the idea of including the Earth, sun, etc. because I can't place all of these things in one screen is too difficult. The reason why there are no daemon itself, is simply that I like the original layout. Full-color daemon stands between 2 and 1 :-). >> This is really good work though, keep it up. Thanks. BTW, the layout works will be so easyer if I can place one more step on the edge of picture. Purely techincally, it is very easy. What do you think about it? -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 05:21:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA28342 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 05:21:31 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA28326; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 05:21:18 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA12432; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 23:15:13 +1000 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 23:15:13 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199503081315.XAA12432@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: current@FreeBSD.org, sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: Repair floppies - what should we have? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Recently a crash in the middle of a make world trashed my libc.so, and this >caused me to think long and hard about the issue of repair floppies. What I >came up with was this - >1) A boot floppy with only a kernel and enough support to tell you to > stick another floppy (the repair root fs) in the drive. This floppy Remounting of a different floppy on the same drive doesn't work, so the prompt would have to be given before mounting root. >2) The tools floppy. A root filesystem with the usual stuff, linked > *statically* - /bin/sh, mount, fsck, disklabel, fdisk, tar, ed, cat, > cp, mv, ln, ifconfig (any other candidates?). The system would come > up on this and toss you into a shell. I use one with all binaries (except ld.so of course) linked *shared* and compressed. >3) The libraries floppy - a tarred floppy with all the important dynamic > libraries on it. I can barely fit enough libraries for /bin and /sbin on a 1200K floppy. >Anybody else got ideas? And, how do I persuade something to boot a kernel off >one floppy and prompt me to insert a root fs? Just boot off any floppy with a kernel and switch to one with a more useful root fs while the probes are running. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 05:43:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA29074 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 05:43:45 -0800 Received: from hutcs.cs.hut.fi (hutcs.cs.hut.fi [130.233.192.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA29059 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 05:42:33 -0800 Received: from shadows.cs.hut.fi by hutcs.cs.hut.fi with SMTP id AA01251 (5.65c8/HUTCS-S 1.4 for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:38:59 +0200 From: Heikki Suonsivu Received: (hsu@localhost) by shadows.cs.hut.fi (8.6.10/8.6.10) id PAA04840; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:38:58 +0200 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:38:58 +0200 Message-Id: <199503081338.PAA04840@shadows.cs.hut.fi> To: brian@MediaCity.com (Brian Litzinger) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: brian@MediaCity.com's message of 8 Mar 1995 08:18:44 +0200 Subject: New Cyclades Driver needs Major Device #? Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Otaniemi, Finland Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've re-named all the routines to avoid conflicts with the existing FreeBSD cyclades driver. I.E. my driver is 'cyb' as opposed to 'cy'. You can simply remove the existing driver and replace it with our version, The current driver is unfinished port of the NetBSD driver and I never got it quite working, so it is better to get rid of it if better one is available. Shall I request a major device number for it? Or should we assume people will choose between mine and the existing one and assign their choice to the existing cy major device number? I would propose reusing the existing one. p.s.s. while I'm here anyway, why are netBSD and FreeBSD different efforts? Well, there are several possible reasons: - Linux people's secret plan to make sure *BSD won't ever be successfull. - USL's secret plan to make sure free operating systems won't ever be successfull. - BSDI's secret plan to make sure free BSD versions won't ever be successfull. - Free operating system authors have got too much ego. I'll promise to donate $100 of my own, and, say $400 of my company money to BSD (or Free operating system) Consortium if one will ever be set up to get rid of this mess. -- Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND, hsu@cs.hut.fi home +358-0-8031121 work -4513377 fax -4555276 riippu SN From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 06:44:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA01764 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 06:44:33 -0800 Received: from relay-europe.ps.net (relay-europe.ps.net [160.110.96.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA01758 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 06:44:28 -0800 Received: by relay-europe.ps.net (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA08884; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:43:41 GMT Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:43:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Aled Morris Subject: re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon To: Julian Howard Stacey Cc: bugs@warlock.win.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199502242351.AAA00827@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 25 Feb 1995, Julian Howard Stacey wrote: > > Ditch the daemon thing. > Mark is unfortunately right :-( > > The Daemon is an embarrasment on CD covers, The biggest problem I've had is the name "Free" BSD - as soon as people hear "Free" they just switch off, insisting that SCO/Sun/HP "bought" solutions would be better. Aled -- aledm@relay-europe.ps.net | tel +44 973 207987 Perot Systems Europe Ltd. | fax +44 181 476 2419 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 07:15:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA02981 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 07:15:12 -0800 Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA02975; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 07:15:09 -0800 Received: (from bugs@localhost) by ns1.win.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA11626; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:16:04 -0500 From: Mark Hittinger Message-Id: <199503081516.KAA11626@ns1.win.net> Subject: Re: Repair floppies - what should we have? (fwd) To: current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:16:03 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 814 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Remounting of a different floppy on the same drive doesn't work, so the > prompt would have to be given before mounting root. > On another platform that had two floppies I was able to construct a recovery floppy pair. One had the kernel, /dev, and enough to mount the other floppy. The second floppy had the other goodies. > > >Anybody else got ideas? And, how do I persuade something to boot a kernel off > >one floppy and prompt me to insert a root fs? > How about a RAM disk technique? I've used this before on other platforms. Everything could be loaded onto a RAM disk from multiple floppies prior to setting root device. Then you could play WITHOUT the slow floppy access times. This would also be good for making a solid backup of your root partition. Regards, Mark Hittinger bugs@win.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 07:18:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA03084 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 07:18:52 -0800 Received: from obelix.cs.UMD.EDU (obelix.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.192]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA03074 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 07:18:49 -0800 Received: by obelix.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.10/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20573; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:18:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199503081518.KAA20573@obelix.cs.UMD.EDU> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 10:18:20 -0500 From: James da Silva Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Er, wasn't it "One small step for [a] man, a giant LEAP for mankind."? ^^^^ So how about "One small step for BSD, a giant leap for PCs.". Or something, Jaime ............................................................................... : James da Silva : UCMP Computer Science Dept. : Stand on my shoulders, : : jds@cs.umd.edu : http://www.cs.umd.edu/~jds : not on my toes. : From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 08:55:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA19241 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:55:27 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA19233; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:55:26 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id IAA29670; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:52:51 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503081652.IAA29670@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Another small nitpick [was Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF] To: paul@isl.cf.ac.uk (Paul Richards) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:52:51 -0800 (PST) Cc: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503081124.LAA02298@isl.cf.ac.uk> from "Paul Richards" at Mar 8, 95 11:24:37 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 566 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm still not too keen on the slogan. We should ditch the PC bit since we may > use this for quite a while and other ports are on the horizon. Besides which, > I just don't like the reference to PC's. > > What about, "A Giant Step for BSD" ? No, the PC part is important. I have met may people who doesn't realize that FreeBSD runs on a PC. > Hmm, I'm not sure I like the grid points either. mandatory for a moon-shot. -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 10:26:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA25770 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:26:03 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA25762 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:26:00 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA01327; Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:18:12 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9503081818.AA01327@cs.weber.edu> Subject: BSD Consortium? To: hsu@cs.hut.fi (Heikki Suonsivu) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:18:11 MST Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert), witr@rwwa.com In-Reply-To: <199503081338.PAA04840@shadows.cs.hut.fi> from "Heikki Suonsivu" at Mar 8, 95 03:38:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'll promise to donate $100 of my own, and, say $400 of my company money to > BSD (or Free operating system) Consortium if one will ever be set up to get > rid of this mess. Actually, this was first considered some time ago, and was discussed at length by Robert Withrow, myself, and others. At the time it was initially discussed (during the CSRG breakup), it was decided to wait for CSRG to actually break up ("Tut, tut, looks like rain"). Then it was brought up again, but it was considered too large a legal target for USL and/or BSDI (although BSDI and DEC and Sun should really be members). Now that the legal stuff is closer to being buried, maybe it *is* time to bring it up again. The Consortium wouldn't necessarily have to have as a goal unification of the BSD's, however, so it might not help where you wanted. 8-(. I've wanted a legally seperate entity out there for some time; there needs to be some common purse strings somewhere. One of my main motivations in pursuing something like this is what I have called previously a "hardware scholarship" to get device drivers written. This would take a BSD Consortium or Consortium-like-object to implement, but here's the basic idea plus several other ideas: 1) Money is donated to a Consortium and/or membership is purchased. a) Excellent opportunity for companies to pay for research here. b) Excellent opportunity for a "with membership, you get a one year subscription to BSD Journal". c) Comarketing (resale of discounted Daemon things good for the Consortium, good for Keith). 2) Consortium establishes a buget item "hardware scholarship fund". a) Apply for a "scholarship" for a particular device driver, etc. b) Get accepted. c) Buy your hardware. d) Write the driver. e) Allow the driver to be licensed under UCB style copyright by Consortium. f) Present purchase receipt and Consortium rebates 50% to 100% of what you paid for the hardware (part of the initial agreement, dependent on the value placed on the driver). g) If someone else writes the driver before you, that's a risk you take; on the other hand, a prolific coder could get a lot of free/discounted hardware. This is potentially a big risk, so maybe a minimum payout? Or the Consortium owns the hardware? TBD. 3) Consortium works for ABI standards between BSD variants to ensure binary interoperability (88Open). 4) Potentially, the consortium could enter into non-disclosure agreements (being a legal entity) and have binary only drivers made available (loadable modules?) for things like: a) Computone boards b) Adaptec licensed microcode c) Intel math coprocessor emulator. d) Device/bus information for PowerMAC's Or perhaps they could just buy the information? 5) Consortium establishes BSD presence: a) Trade show booths b) Usenix c) X consortium (?) d) PCMCIA consortium e) PCI consortium f) Press releases g) Sponsored articles in trade journals h) "Branding" -- prevent further splits i) Approaching commercial software houses to solicit ports of commercial software. j) Overall evangelical efforts. k) Get common-to-all-BSD drivers included on disks shipped with various hardware. 6) Consortium funds "large projects" a) Purchase of POSIX validation suite b) Purchase of XPG3/4 validation suite c) Purchase of Spec 1170 validation suite 7) Consortium seeks code for UCB style licensing a) From University projects -- ie: UCLA ficus, UofU OMOS b) From commercial sources c) Buys off shareware? ;-). 8) Consortium works for favorable cross-licensing. For instance, if Linux drivers were LGPL'ed instead of GPL'ed, they could be loaded as kernel modules as part of the base system (loading is linking) without violating the spirit of the license and without making the driver unavailable except as a "user compiles in but can't use in default configuration" option. 9) Consortium could establish a "hardware bank": a) How many times could David or Bruce have used an ICE for debugging? b) Get SMP hardware into more hands. c) Solicit loans of porting machines from hardware vendors like DEC, Motorolla, Sun, SGI(MIPS), etc. Well, those are some ideas off the top of my head. I'm sure other will jump in with more (and jump on me). 8-). Now that Robert Withrow is no longer running for congress-critter, maybe he'd be up for more discussion? To keep the ball rolling, I could probably come up with $500 as well (but I'd want a T-shirt or a cloisoine Daemon pin and a nice "charter member" certificate or something). 8-). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 10:58:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA28998 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:58:51 -0800 Received: from tfs.com (mailhub.tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA28988; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:58:50 -0800 Received: by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) Message-Id: From: julian@tfs.com (Julian Elischer) Subject: Re: Repair floppies - what should we have? (fwd) To: bugs@ns1.win.net (Mark Hittinger) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:57:52 -0800 (PST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503081516.KAA11626@ns1.win.net> from "Mark Hittinger" at Mar 8, 95 10:16:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1377 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From doing many repairs, The following are needed 1/ A SHELL ! (and init I guess) 2/ definitly fsck 3/ fdisk, the manual version 4/ bootblocks 5/ disklabel 6/ mount_nfs, ifconfig, and route, also telnet and ftp 7/ chroot 8/ a symlink from /usr/lib to /mnt/usr/lib so that if there are binaries on the HD you want, you can get to the shared libs.. 9/ mount_mfs..(as a link to newfs, which it is anyhow) 10/ mount_dosfs (or whatever it's called these days..) 11/ a cpio (or tar) file contailing all the non-file nodes in the system.. e.g. devices.. , and cpio (or tar) to unpack it 12/ CMHOD! (HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I FORGOTTEN THIS? 13/ dd 14/ od (to dump WHY block xxx is wrong) 15/ bad144 and scsi_remap (when they work) most of these are already in the big 'crunch' file.. right? > > > > > Remounting of a different floppy on the same drive doesn't work, so the > > prompt would have to be given before mounting root. you can easily swap disks during boot by booting -c and puting in a floppy when the config prompt comes up.. Basically we are looking for the old 2-floppy boot set. > > > > The second floppy had the other goodies. we COULD add code to the floppy drive to allow us to mount two partitions, say a, and e, and have the floppy driver ask the user to swap floppies whenever the wrong one is accessed? (probably not all that hard..) > > > julian From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 11:04:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA29549 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:04:05 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA29540 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:04:00 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA09058 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:41:59 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA26957; 8 Mar 95 12:06:49 CST (Wed) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id MAA26954; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:06:48 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199503081806.MAA26954@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF To: jds@cs.umd.edu (James da Silva) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:06:47 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503081518.KAA20573@obelix.cs.UMD.EDU> from "James da Silva" at Mar 8, 95 10:18:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 459 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Er, wasn't it "One small step for [a] man, a giant LEAP for mankind."? > ^^^^ No, it was "it's some kind of soft stuff. I can push it around with my foot". The "small step" (which he totally messed up, by the way, using the same words ib both phrases) was said while standing on the landing pad. If you count that, the real first words were: "Houston, this is Tranquility Base. The Eagle has landed." From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 11:06:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA29788 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:06:28 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA29773 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:06:18 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA09054 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:41:49 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA26811; 8 Mar 95 12:03:22 CST (Wed) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id MAA26808; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:03:22 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199503081803.MAA26808@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon To: aledm@relay-europe.ps.net (Aled Morris) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:03:21 -0600 (CST) Cc: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, bugs@warlock.win.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "Aled Morris" at Mar 8, 95 02:43:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 231 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The biggest problem I've had is the name "Free" BSD - as soon as people > hear "Free" they just switch off, insisting that SCO/Sun/HP "bought" > solutions would be better. OpenBSD! BSDWare! No... no... I got it... OpenWare! From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 11:30:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA03690 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:30:55 -0800 Received: from salyko.cube.net (root@salyko.cube.net [193.141.73.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA03608 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:30:24 -0800 Received: from nasim.nasim.cube.net by salyko.cube.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0rmRPo-0016N2C; Wed, 8 Mar 95 20:29 MET Received: by nasim.nasim.cube.net (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0rmRPX-000OGgC; Wed, 8 Mar 95 20:28 MET To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Path: not-for-mail From: knarf@nasim.nasim.cube.net (Frank Bartels) Newsgroups: muc.lists.freebsd.hackers Subject: 2.0R and reverse lookups Date: 8 Mar 1995 20:28:42 +0100 Organization: The Sunsite for ATARI-Friends Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3jl0ha$lud@nasim.nasim.cube.net> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all! Excuse me if this is a FAQ, but after succesfully running 1.1.5 for a while, I just updated to 2.0R. sogand:/home/knarf> uname -a FreeBSD sogand 2.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.0-RELEASE #0: Wed Mar 8 18:26:43 MET 1995 knarf@sogand:/usr/src/sys/compile/SOGAND i386 sogand:/home/knarf> tail -1 /var/log/syslog # tcp_wrapper installed Mar 8 20:02:52 sogand telnetd[571]: connect from p7003cb.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de sogand:/home/knarf> last -1 valentin valentin ttyp5 129.187.15.217 Wed Mar 8 20:03 still logged in sogand:/home/knarf> w | grep valentin valentin p5 p7003cb.ppp.lrz- 8:03PM 7 -tcsh (tcsh) sogand:/home/knarf> who | grep valentin valentin ttyp5 Mar 8 20:03 (129.187.15.217) What is going wrong here? Why are the names sometimes resolved and sometimes not? BTW: Should I update to the latest SNAP now or should I wait for 2.1R? I need (24hrs/day) stable NFS, PPP, SLIP, UUCP (serial stuff at all). Oh, and pppd still eats up the whole CPU if `proxyarp' is specified. It also does not recognize modem hangups then. Without `proxyarp' everything is fine, but now I have to use ARP_PROXYALL, since "static public" arp entries no longer work. In 1.1.5 I used to do an `arp -s' for all my SLIP/PPP hosts during bootup... Thanks for your help. Bye, Knarf -- Frank Bartels | UUCP/ZModem/Fax: + 49 89 5469593 | MiNT is knarf@nasim.cube.net | Login: nuucp Index: /pub/ls-lR.nasim.gz | Now TOS! From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 11:55:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA06386 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:55:10 -0800 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA06271; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:54:10 -0800 Received: by brasil.moneng.mei.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13070; Wed, 8 Mar 95 13:51:45 CST From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <9503081951.AA13070@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: key exchange for rlogin/telnet services? To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:51:45 -0600 (CST) Cc: phk@ref.tfs.com, mark@grondar.za, barry@nacm.com, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, security@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199503080603.IAA13529@grunt.grondar.za> from "Mark Murray" at Mar 8, 95 08:03:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4beta PL9] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2094 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Because there wasn't one. > > What are the chances of "sanitising" a diff so I can track you work here? > I have some of the DES stuff available. 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Something closely approximating zero, because I do not have a clue as to what is legal and/or allowable, and I don't really have the time to go figure it out. If somebody has a short, clear, and concise definition available of what is legal, I might reconsider. If another US resident would like to deal with this, *by* *all* *means* I would be willing to hand this over to that party. I am simply not interested in potentially violating some rather ugly (but senseless) laws and get tossed in some deep Federal dungeon somewhere.. > > Because of stupid governmental regulations, my offer is only open to folks > > whom I could legally hand a copy of DES to. Since I don't know the legal > > aspects any further than that, I am not interested in pursuing this any > > further than perhaps a cooperative cleanup effort of some sort. I don't have > > the time to try substituting a different type of encryption, making it work > > with the "exported" DES, et al. :-( Too many other fires under my butt > > right now. But I would be delighted to work on cleaning up the code, if > > someone else (particularly someone who has worked with the FreeBSD trees and > > is familiar with the 4.4 Makefile stuff/etc) is willing to help. > > I would certainly be interested in any _LEGAL_ diffs you could give me. I > do not mind re-creating work if that is what it takes. I didn't do anything very rocket-science'y with the DES stuff - basically a lift and switch with the original Kerberos stuff, as my memory has it. There was a lot of playing around to get it to compile up the clients, however, and if someone could clean it up, it could be cool... ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 12:15:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA08040 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:15:50 -0800 Received: from mailbox.syr.edu (mailbox.syr.EDU [128.230.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA08026 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:15:49 -0800 Received: from kong.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id PAA00537; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:18:29 -0500 Received: by kong.syr.edu (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA16931; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:19:40 EST Message-Id: <9503082019.AA16931@kong.syr.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: ImageNation Corp. phone #? Date: Wed, 08 Mar 95 15:19:39 -0500 From: "Shawn M. Carey" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I recently noticed the ctx driver in the FreeBSD-current tree, and tried to contact the company about getting one or three of their cards. Unfortunately, the phone number listed in the driver comments is no longer correct. Does anyone know how I might reach this company, or if they still exist? Thanks, -Shawn Carey From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 12:37:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA10740 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:37:26 -0800 Received: from tfs.com (mailhub.tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA10733 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:37:25 -0800 Received: by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) Message-Id: From: julian@tfs.com (Julian Elischer) Subject: Re: Another small nitpick [was Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF] To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:36:08 -0800 (PST) Cc: paul@isl.cf.ac.uk, taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503081652.IAA29670@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Mar 8, 95 08:52:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 781 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > What about, "A Giant Step for BSD" ? really it is a giant step for the PC.. > > No, the PC part is important. I have met may people who doesn't realize > that FreeBSD runs on a PC. > > > Hmm, I'm not sure I like the grid points either. > mandatory for a moon-shot. of course.. study the original moon shot.... it has the following points.. ladder not as visible, a big part of the shot is the 'pad' of the lander.. there is only one footprint.. the rest are out of shot.. remember, you take LONG steps on the moon. the angle of the shot is from about 60 degrees from the horizontal (30 from vertical), so the footprint needs to be somehow changed to reflect this perspective.. > I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated. Excelent! > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 12:57:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA12659 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:57:28 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA12581; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:57:05 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA16579; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 22:54:12 +0200 Message-Id: <199503082054.WAA16579@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Joe Greco cc: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray), phk@ref.tfs.com, barry@nacm.com, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, security@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: key exchange for rlogin/telnet services? Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 22:54:12 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Because there wasn't one. > > > > What are the chances of "sanitising" a diff so I can track you work here? > > I have some of the DES stuff available. > > 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Something closely approximating zero, because I do not have a clue as to > what is legal and/or allowable, and I don't really have the time to go figure > it out. If somebody has a short, clear, and concise definition available of > what is legal, I might reconsider. If another US resident would like to > deal with this, *by* *all* *means* I would be willing to hand this over to > that party. I am simply not interested in potentially violating some rather > ugly (but senseless) laws and get tossed in some deep Federal dungeon > somewhere.. Hokay. I understand _totally_ your sentiments. This scenario has happenned before (and it is legal too, beleive it or not!) If you have an account in the US, could you make you code available there? I have an account on thud.cdrom.com, which is in Walnut Creek, SF (co- ordinates available on request :-). If you wish, I can work on the code, _in_the_US_, and only bring back that which is legal. If you feel uncomfortable with this, "Andrew Chernov" (sp?) has already done similar acts from the (ex-) Soviet Union with no dis- approval from the world at large (please could anyone shout REAL loud if this is bullshit (I think it is not)). (This (if memory serves me) was to do with the US PGP code). Thanks! Mark -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 12:58:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA12841 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:58:54 -0800 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA12799; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:58:36 -0800 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id OAA19318; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:50:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:50:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: Repair floppies - what should we have? (fwd) To: Julian Elischer cc: Mark Hittinger , current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Julian Elischer wrote: > >From doing many repairs, The following are needed > 1/ A SHELL ! (and init I guess) > 2/ definitly fsck [others deleted] > 14/ od (to dump WHY block xxx is wrong) > 15/ bad144 and scsi_remap (when they work) an editor, could be small, could be brain dead. just something to diddle files jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 13:11:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA13894 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:11:48 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA13882 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:11:44 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA01914; Wed, 8 Mar 95 14:01:54 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9503082101.AA01914@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon To: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 14:01:54 MST Cc: aledm@relay-europe.ps.net, jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, bugs@warlock.win.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199503081803.MAA26808@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Mar 8, 95 12:03:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > The biggest problem I've had is the name "Free" BSD - as soon as people > > hear "Free" they just switch off, insisting that SCO/Sun/HP "bought" > > solutions would be better. > > OpenBSD! > BSDWare! > OpenWare! BWare! UnderWare! EveningWare! VaporWare! Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 13:12:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA14039 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:12:51 -0800 Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.20.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA14011; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:12:40 -0800 Received: by brasil.moneng.mei.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13357; Wed, 8 Mar 95 15:10:15 CST From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <9503082110.AA13357@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: key exchange for rlogin/telnet services? To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:10:14 -0600 (CST) Cc: mark@grondar.za, phk@ref.tfs.com, barry@nacm.com, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, security@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199503082054.WAA16579@grunt.grondar.za> from "Mark Murray" at Mar 8, 95 10:54:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4beta PL9] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2415 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hokay. I understand _totally_ your sentiments. Thanks. :-) I just don't particularly care to have the FBI/whoever pounding on my door at 3AM.... I get little enough sleep as it is. > This scenario has happenned before (and it is legal too, beleive it or not!) > If you have an account in the US, could you make you code available there? > I have an account on thud.cdrom.com, which is in Walnut Creek, SF (co- > ordinates available on request :-). If you wish, I can work on the code, > _in_the_US_, and only bring back that which is legal. If you feel > uncomfortable with this, "Andrew Chernov" (sp?) has > already done similar acts from the (ex-) Soviet Union with no dis- > approval from the world at large (please could anyone shout REAL loud if > this is bullshit (I think it is not)). (This (if memory serves me) was to do > with the US PGP code). > > Thanks! > > Mark Actually, given that I have so much to do, there is a point you reach where it no longer matters what you do because you will be hopelessly behind no matter how many things you get done. And I've been there for months. :-) So I guess it is no big suprise that I retrieved a virgin copy of the 2.0-R source tree a little while ago, so that I could write up a set of notes that one might use to reconstruct the magic binaries I've got. I'll let you know over the next few days what I discover. However, I still do not know if it is legitimate to provide such materials to a non-US citizen, particularly since when you are "on" thud or another box, copies of the code are still being transmitted out of the country, and as I really am unclear on all this, I won't have that potentially over my head. If Walnut Creek is clear on the legal issues, I would be more than happy to ask Walnut Creek to issue me an account on one of their development boxes and I will make my code available there, with suitable disclaimers and warnings. If they feel that it is permissible to allow you to access the files, fine! It is then either on your head or theirs, not mine. :-) But I will not give you the code myself. This country is mostly pretty good. But there are some funny laws. Back to hacking, ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 13:15:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA14332 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:15:42 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA14312 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:15:36 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA01934; Wed, 8 Mar 95 14:08:37 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9503082108.AA01934@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF To: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 14:08:37 MST Cc: jds@cs.umd.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503081806.MAA26954@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Mar 8, 95 12:06:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Er, wasn't it "One small step for [a] man, a giant LEAP for mankind."? > > ^^^^ > > No, it was "it's some kind of soft stuff. I can push it around with my foot". > > The "small step" (which he totally messed up, by the way, using the same words > ib both phrases) was said while standing on the landing pad. > > If you count that, the real first words were: > > "Houston, this is Tranquility Base. The Eagle has landed." He claims: "That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind". Actually: "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind". Oh, and it was: "Houston, Tranquility Base here; the Eagle has landed". Followed by "We copy tran-tranquility". The tapes are available for $7.50 at your local Sun Coast Motion Picture company (assuming you are in the US). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 13:31:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA15773 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:31:53 -0800 Received: from picard.cmf.nrl.navy.mil (root@picard.cmf.nrl.navy.mil [134.207.10.68]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA15759 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:31:50 -0800 Received: from elvis.cmf.nrl.navy.mil (kenh@elvis.cmf.nrl.navy.mil [134.207.10.38]) by picard.cmf.nrl.navy.mil (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA04431; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:31:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (kenh@localhost) by elvis.cmf.nrl.navy.mil (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA18324; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:31:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199503082131.QAA18324@elvis.cmf.nrl.navy.mil> X-Authentication-Warning: elvis.cmf.nrl.navy.mil: kenh owned process doing -bs X-Authentication-Warning: elvis.cmf.nrl.navy.mil: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Peter da Silva cc: jds@cs.umd.edu (James da Silva), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 08 Mar 95 12:06:47 CST." <199503081806.MAA26954@bonkers.taronga.com> X-Face: "Evs"_GpJ]],xS)b$T2#V&{KfP_i2`TlPrY$Iv9+TQ!6+`~+l)#7I)0xr1>4hfd{#0B4 WIn3jU;bql;{2Uq%zw5bF4?%F&&j8@KaT?#vBGk}u07<+6/`.F-3_GA@6Bq5gN9\+s;_d gD\SW #]iN_U0 KUmOR.P<|um5yPkEpSD@*e` Date: Wed, 08 Mar 95 16:31:10 -0500 From: Ken Hornstein Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >If you count that, the real first words were: > > "Houston, this is Tranquility Base. The Eagle has landed." How about, "Walnut Creek, this is CSRG. FreeBSD has landed" ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 13:36:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA16326 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:36:53 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA16310 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:36:40 -0800 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id QAA03120; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:33:28 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199503082133.QAA03120@hda.com> Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:33:28 -0500 (EST) Cc: hsu@cs.hut.fi, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, terry@cs.weber.edu, witr@rwwa.com In-Reply-To: <9503081818.AA01327@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 8, 95 11:18:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1458 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert writes: > > > I'll promise to donate $100 of my own, and, say $400 of my company money to > > BSD (or Free operating system) Consortium if one will ever be set up to get > > rid of this mess. > > Actually, this was first considered some time ago, and was discussed > at length by Robert Withrow, myself, and others. > It must be in the air. I sent out a message about a FreeBSD consortium the other day. It was eaten in the great mailing list lossage; I don't know if anyone saw it or not. My point was (as it was the last time we discussed this) that when I put together proposals that feature FreeBSD then a consortium lends more credibility. You have more elaborate plans (but that is to be expected...), and you want a new entity independent of FreeBSD and NetBSD, something I suspect will muddy the waters even more. (Terry's good ideas deleted. I'll add the all important four color brochure presenting the goals of the organization and listing the members, which is what I could really use right now) > To keep the ball rolling, I could probably come up with $500 as well > (but I'd want a T-shirt or a cloisoine Daemon pin and a nice "charter > member" certificate or something). 8-). $500 here also if we can agree on the charter for the organization. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 13:37:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA16351 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:37:06 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA16237; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:36:00 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA16856; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 23:33:23 +0200 Message-Id: <199503082133.XAA16856@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Joe Greco cc: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray), phk@ref.tfs.com, barry@nacm.com, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, security@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: key exchange for rlogin/telnet services? Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 23:33:23 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hokay. I understand _totally_ your sentiments. > > Thanks. :-) I just don't particularly care to have the FBI/whoever > pounding on my door at 3AM.... I get little enough sleep as it is. Take a look at (or rather remember) CNN about 6 years ago and see what South Africa was like then. Believe me, I understand _stupid_ laws!! > Actually, given that I have so much to do, there is a point you reach where > it no longer matters what you do because you will be hopelessly behind no > matter how many things you get done. And I've been there for months. :-) > > So I guess it is no big suprise that I retrieved a virgin copy of the 2.0-R > source tree a little while ago, so that I could write up a set of notes that > one might use to reconstruct the magic binaries I've got. I'll let you know > over the next few days what I discover. I think that this is the best situation of all. You don't break your laws, I don't break your laws, FBI (F@#$ing Big Indian(!)) does not break down anyones' door. > Walnut Creek is clear on the legal issues, I would be more than happy to ask > Walnut Creek to issue me an account on one of their development boxes and > I will make my code available there, with suitable disclaimers and warnings. > If they feel that it is permissible to allow you to access the files, fine! > It is then either on your head or theirs, not mine. :-) But I will not > give you the code myself. I will consider this a bonus. The notes/logs/whatever you did are COOL! Thanks! > This country is mostly pretty good. But there are some funny laws. Just get rid of the guns. :-) :-) :-) (says a gun owner) Happy hacking!! -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 13:42:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA17033 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:42:36 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA16952 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:41:17 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA16901; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 23:36:34 +0200 Message-Id: <199503082136.XAA16901@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) cc: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva), aledm@relay-europe.ps.net, jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, bugs@warlock.win.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 23:36:34 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > The biggest problem I've had is the name "Free" BSD - as soon as people > > > hear "Free" they just switch off, insisting that SCO/Sun/HP "bought" > > > solutions would be better. > > > > OpenBSD! > > BSDWare! > > OpenWare! > > BWare! > UnderWare! > EveningWare! > VaporWare! Maybe this should have gone to rec.humour: Microsoft Products: Just plain WHERE? M. -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 14:11:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA20342 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:11:09 -0800 Received: from wiley.csusb.edu (wiley.csusb.edu [139.182.2.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA20315 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:10:54 -0800 Received: by wiley.csusb.edu (5.67a/1.34) id AA16681; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:14:16 -0800 From: rmallory@wiley.csusb.edu (Rob Mallory) Message-Id: <199503082214.AA16681@wiley.csusb.edu> Subject: Re: sound To: vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu (Vince Chan) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:14:15 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "Vince Chan" at Mar 8, 95 03:27:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 598 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/sound/sound.doc > > -- > > I just checked but there isn't a sound.doc file in that > directory... Any ideas? > ...have you sup'd recently? I just compiled a new kernel and found the sound support for the GUS *actually works without a dos init!* Yey! Good job guys! [...trail of foam as the virtual-Steinlager flows into the MBONE] on another note, I finaly ditched my chatter-free Feb.12 kernel for todays with the fixes from DG/phk. !more virtual beers on the way! I'm off to compile xpilots3.3.1 with rplay3.2.0b2! -Rob Mallory [rmallory@csusb.edu] From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 14:43:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA23203 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:43:02 -0800 Received: from gateway.cybernet.com (gateway.cybernet.com [192.245.33.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA23187 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:42:51 -0800 Received: from [192.245.33.12] by gateway.cybernet.com (8.6.8/1.0A) id SAA09085; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 18:07:52 -0500 X-Sender: mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:52:13 -0500 To: "Shawn M. Carey" From: mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com (Mark J. Taylor) Subject: Re: ImageNation Corp. phone #? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Hello, > > I recently noticed the ctx driver in the FreeBSD-current tree, >and tried to contact the company about getting one or three of their >cards. Unfortunately, the phone number listed in the driver comments >is no longer correct. Does anyone know how I might reach this >company, or if they still exist? > >Thanks, >-Shawn Carey I purchased a new Cortex-I framgrabber from ImageNation a few days ago. I received it a day later. Works fine using the ctx driver for 1.1.5.1 that I got directly from the author (Paul LaFollette). I made a few small changes, but I emailed the important one to Paul (regarding disabling the VGA 0xA0000 memory aperature during Cortex read/write routines if the Cortex is set to use the same aperature). Looking at -current, I don't see it there. I saved the email I sent to Paul, so I'll include it here. Can someone please make sure that these two changes (the following code and the phone number) get committed? Their phone number (from their documentation, and verified): (503) 641-7408 (800) 366-9131 They are located in Beaverton, Oregon. The Cortex-I software that I got from you [Paul] works well at all addresses (0xA0000, 0xB0000, 0xD0000, and 0xE0000), except that at address 0xA0000 you need to put a special case into the read and write routines before you enable the RAM of the Cortex: you need to make the VGA adapter let go of the RAM by writing to the Miscellaneous register. I've added two lines of code to the read routine (and the same two lines to the write) to do this: int ctxwrite(dev_t dev, struct uio *uio) { ....... disable_intr(); /* Disable the VGA's ram access to 0xA0000 if necessary */ if (kvtop(sr->maddr) == 0xA0000) outb(0x03C2, inb(0x03CC) & 0xFD); sr->cp1 |= RAM_ENABLE; outb(sr->iobase+ctx_cp1, sr->cp1); status = uiomove(sr->maddr + offset, count, uio); sr->cp1 &= ~RAM_ENABLE; outb(sr->iobase+ctx_cp1, sr->cp1); /* Re-enable the VGA's ram access to 0xA0000 if necessary */ if (kvtop(sr->maddr) == 0xA0000) outb(0x03C2, inb(0x03CC) | 0x02); enable_intr(); ....... } int ctxread(dev_t dev, struct uio *uio) { ....... disable_intr(); /* Disable the VGA's ram access to 0xA0000 if necessary */ if (kvtop(sr->maddr) == 0xA0000) outb(0x03C2, inb(0x03CC) & 0xFD); sr->cp1 |= RAM_ENABLE; outb(sr->iobase+ctx_cp1, sr->cp1); status = uiomove(sr->maddr + offset, count, uio); sr->cp1 &= ~RAM_ENABLE; outb(sr->iobase+ctx_cp1, sr->cp1); /* Re-enable the VGA's ram access to 0xA0000 if necessary */ if (kvtop(sr->maddr) == 0xA0000) outb(0x03C2, inb(0x03CC) | 0x02); enable_intr(); ....... } As I said- I've tried all of the address spaces for the Cortex, and they all work well. The reason that I cannot use any other address range besides 0xA0000 is because of the damn Plug-and-Play on my P90 PCI board (Intel Plato). I am not allowed to set up a shared memory segment larger than 64 Kb (and it has to be contiguous!), which means that I get either the Ethernet or the Cortex-I, not both! Putting the Cortex-I at address 0xA0000 works because that address space is automatically shared on the ISA bus by the PCI controller. You may want to document this Plug-and-Play problem in your driver's docs (just a little blurb). Or do a test like the ethernet does during its probe: write a pattern to all of the shared memory, and then read it all back to make sure that it is still the same pattern. BTW- I got the information about disabling the VGA's RAM space from the Cortex-I manual, pages 74-75. Note that the above code will NOT work for an EGA board, because most of the EGA registers are write-only. If you do not use the added code above to disable the VGA's RAM page, then I get a (mostly) black image when I grab one. Your results may vary based on your video adapter card. -Mark Taylor Robotics Enginner (313) 668-2567 voice (313) 668-8780 fax From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 15:26:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA26313 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:26:43 -0800 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA26307 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:26:41 -0800 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA12857; Wed, 8 Mar 95 23:25:07 GMT Received: by junco.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA23585; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:24:56 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:24:56 -0700 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9503082324.AA23585@junco.fsl.noaa.gov> To: julian@tfs.com Cc: phk@ref.tfs.com, paul@isl.cf.ac.uk, taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: (julian@tfs.com) Subject: Re: Another small nitpick [was Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ Copious amounts of contrasts and comparisons to original moon landing photos and dialog deleted ] Good lord, people ... I think the way it exists it's obvious enough what the reference is! Why does it have to look exactly like Armstrong's foot steps, Armstrong's dialog, etc.? The focus of the poster is more on the ``step'' we've taken with FreeBSD. I think enough of the potential audience will understand the parallel as it is right now, and that's the real point. --k From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 15:41:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA26497 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:41:15 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA26491 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:41:14 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id PAA00929; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:40:20 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503082340.PAA00929@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF To: kenh@cmf.nrl.navy.mil (Ken Hornstein) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:40:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: peter@bonkers.taronga.com, jds@cs.umd.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503082131.QAA18324@elvis.cmf.nrl.navy.mil> from "Ken Hornstein" at Mar 8, 95 04:31:10 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 399 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >If you count that, the real first words were: > > > > "Houston, this is Tranquility Base. The Eagle has landed." > > How about, "Walnut Creek, this is CSRG. FreeBSD has landed" ? That would be "CSRG, this is Walnut Creek. FreeBSD has been released." -- Poul-Henning Kamp TRW Financial Systems, Inc. I am Pentium Of Borg. Division is Futile. You WILL be approximated. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 15:59:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA26837 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:59:27 -0800 Received: from netmail.austin.ibm.com (netmail.austin.ibm.com [129.35.208.98]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA26821; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:59:03 -0800 Received: from ozymandias.austin.ibm.com (ozymandias.austin.ibm.com [9.3.29.12]) by netmail.austin.ibm.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id RAA25449; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:57:54 -0600 Received: by ozymandias.austin.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03-client-2.6) for mark@grondar.za at austin.ibm.com; id AA10873; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:57:48 -0600 From: sjb@austin.ibm.com (Scott Brickner) Message-Id: <9503082357.AA10873@ozymandias.austin.ibm.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: Joe Greco Cc: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray), phk@ref.tfs.com, barry@nacm.com, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, security@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: key exchange for rlogin/telnet services? In-Reply-To: (Your message of Wed, 08 Mar 95 15:10:14 CST.) <9503082110.AA13357@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: application/pgp ; format=mime ; x-action=signclear Date: Wed, 08 Mar 95 17:57:47 -0600 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > However, I still do not know if it is legitimate to provide such materials > to a non-US citizen, particularly since when you are "on" thud or another box, > copies of the code are still being transmitted out of the country, and as > I really am unclear on all this, I won't have that potentially over my head. If > Walnut Creek is clear on the legal issues, I would be more than happy to ask > Walnut Creek to issue me an account on one of their development boxes and > I will make my code available there, with suitable disclaimers and warnings. > If they feel that it is permissible to allow you to access the files, fine! > It is then either on your head or theirs, not mine. :-) But I will not > give you the code myself. I'm not a lawyer, so you can't blame me if I'm wrong, but I've been following the issues on the crypto export stuff fairly closely recently. As I understand the situation with Phil Zimmerman (the original author of PGP), the feds are after him even though he didn't do the exporting himself. He gave the code to another US person who did the posting. One story says this other party asked permission to poast the code, and another says they got the permission after the fact. But the customs people are still after Phil. Please be careful. The specific regulation has to do with the export of cryptographic material. If you described the changes necessary to the international version of the telnet code to someone outside the US, without including any of the crypto code in your messages I should think you'd be OK. You'd be divulging information in the pretty much the same manner in which Rivest et al. published their RSA information --- all perfectly legal. The folks on the other side can take the international secure code and use it in combination with your information. They'll have developed the secure telnet programs independently. I also recently heard that the top guy in the Canadian heirarchy with regard to import/export regulation enforcement said that he didn't consider it illegal to export cryptographic engines implementing internationally published algorithms. Since the ITAR (which is the US reg preventing crypto export) doesn't apply to export through Canada. I wouldn't trust this, though, as much of the information is second and third hand. - --------- Scott Brickner "The fox knows many things, but the badger knows one big thing." PGP key fingerprint = 34 56 09 D3 2C 58 15 4A 7B A5 E7 4C A0 73 6D 51 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBL15EdywYUwVEZqgBAQHWdAQAoz8LRH7gLPAkvInUL2gl+x+nI69aQA/+ ZGlDh4kc9o4EO9Gm2JgIfOu3SXTT9ejy1Mr5NYD6MYDvaysfvb+vJWbMVCWaNp29 egt3i9aPVyDxV735hw49fBjYfgRTfKAu7lSsSxRlnIXsuAS5JfqxKBK+xTS9hnB7 m916aDez/pw= =dar7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 16:13:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA27049 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:13:23 -0800 Received: from dvals1.larc.nasa.gov (dvals1.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.4.96]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA27043 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:13:16 -0800 Received: by dvals1.larc.nasa.gov (8.6.9/server2.4) id TAA24624; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 19:12:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199503090012.TAA24624@dvals1.larc.nasa.gov> From: Branson Matheson Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: dufault@hda.com (Peter Dufault) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 19:12:26 -0500 (EST) Cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, hsu@cs.hut.fi, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, witr@rwwa.com In-Reply-To: <199503082133.QAA03120@hda.com> from "Peter Dufault" at Mar 8, 95 04:33:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1580 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Terry Lambert writes: > > > > > I'll promise to donate $100 of my own, and, say $400 of my company money to > > > BSD (or Free operating system) Consortium if one will ever be set up to get > > > To keep the ball rolling, I could probably come up with $500 as well > > (but I'd want a T-shirt or a cloisoine Daemon pin and a nice "charter > > member" certificate or something). 8-). > > $500 here also if we can agree on the charter for the organization. I think that this is an excellent idea... It would certianly add strength to the BSD position. It could also bolster the use of the *BSD's through compatability if this remains a goal. But most importantly, I think that because we will have a ( drum roll pleae ) NAME behind us collectively, it will apply some needed credibility in the eyes of potential users. The products that have been created are becomming truly stable and reliable os's. Having a consortium may also give potential comercial software creators more reason to write/port software to the os's. Count me in for 100.00 (I am not as rich as the rest of yall ;-) -branson PS> I could also talk to _many_ other users that have started using FreeBSD and prefer it and who would be interested in membership. -- MATHESON, E BRANSON E.B.MATHESON@LaRC.NASA.GOV Mail Stop 931 COMPUTER SCIENCES CORPORATION NASA Langley Research Center Assigned to Operations Support Division Hampton, VA 23681-0001 Phone +1 804 864-9700 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 16:22:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA27191 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:22:27 -0800 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA27184 for hackers; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:22:26 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:22:26 -0800 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199503090022.QAA27184@freefall.cdrom.com> To: hackers Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >If you count that, the real first words were: > > > > "Houston, this is Tranquility Base. The Eagle has landed." > > How about, "Walnut Creek, this is CSRG. FreeBSD has landed" ? That would be "CSRG, this is Walnut Creek. FreeBSD has been released." Actually, Walnut Creek CDROM is in Concord. There's a confusion here between places and entities. Let's just stick with the well known small step, giant leap phrase, okay? From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 16:25:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA27293 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:25:32 -0800 Received: from goof.com (root@goof.com [198.82.204.15]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA27285 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:25:31 -0800 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by goof.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA00532 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 19:24:58 -0500 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199503090024.TAA00532@goof.com> Subject: Sound in current To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 19:24:58 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 694 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just built the current kernel as of this morning, and tried out sound. Congratulations! It no longer totally messes up by repeating and such... What was the problem? Anyhow, I still can't use the snd-util mixer program - ioctls seem to be always returning invalid argument, and on the GUS a tiny bit of each sample is repeated at the end of playing it. Any ideas? Thanks! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead -> Virginia Tech Center for Transportation Research - -> Multiple Platform System and Network Administration Work Related -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu | mmead@goof.com <- All Other ---- ------- WWW -> http://www.goof.com/~mmead --- ----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 16:48:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA28130 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:48:49 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA28124 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:48:43 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id QAA29258 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:47:13 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199503090047.QAA29258@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: A deal on hard Quantum hard drives To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:47:13 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1084 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk One of my distributors just called me with 2 deals on the new Quantum disk drives. Quantum Grand Prix 4301 4.30GB formatted capacity 10 disks and 20 heads 7200 RPM 8.6mS average seek time 512K cache buffer 5 pack promo price $7300.00 ($1460/drive) My normal cost $1565.00 Avaliable in wide scsi $1708.00 Quantum Atlas XP32150 2.15GB formatted capacity 5 disks and 10 heads 7200 RPM 8.5mS average seek time 1024K cache buffer 10 pack promo price $9000.00 ($900/drive) My normal cost $1000.00 If I get FIRM orders for enough drives to buy the promo packs I will pass my cost on to you (plus shipping via UPS ground). These offers expire 3/10/1994 so I need to know by 3/10/1994 at 4:00 pm (PST). Drives will be shipped COD via UPS ground unless other arrangements are made. Please only reply if you are going to buy as this is a very short time offer and I can't over order hoping to sell them. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 17:02:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA28543 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:02:04 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA28535 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:02:00 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA14118 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 18:56:36 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA03055; 8 Mar 95 18:30:26 CST (Wed) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id SAA03052; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 18:30:25 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199503090030.SAA03052@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF To: kenh@cmf.nrl.navy.mil (Ken Hornstein) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 18:30:25 -0600 (CST) Cc: jds@cs.umd.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503082131.QAA18324@elvis.cmf.nrl.navy.mil> from "Ken Hornstein" at Mar 8, 95 04:31:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 227 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > "Houston, this is Tranquility Base. The Eagle has landed." > How about, "Walnut Creek, this is CSRG. FreeBSD has landed" ? Nice. A little closer to the original meaning: "Berkeley, FreeBSD here. The demon has landed." From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 17:02:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA28562 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:02:44 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA28556 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:02:40 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA14114 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 18:56:23 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA02984; 8 Mar 95 18:27:31 CST (Wed) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id SAA02981; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 18:27:30 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199503090027.SAA02981@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 18:27:30 -0600 (CST) Cc: jds@cs.umd.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9503082108.AA01934@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 8, 95 02:08:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 436 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is embarassing. I have both these sound-bites on my Amiga somewhere. > He claims: "That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind". > Actually: "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind". Exactly right. > Oh, and it was: "Houston, Tranquility Base here; the Eagle has landed". Ditto. > Followed by "We copy tran-tranquility". I think it was "Roger, Traq-tranquility, we copy you on the ground." From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 17:03:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA28571 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:03:10 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA28565 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:03:04 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA14036 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 18:50:54 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA02602; 8 Mar 95 18:04:14 CST (Wed) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id SAA02599; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 18:04:14 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199503090004.SAA02599@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 18:04:14 -0600 (CST) Cc: aledm@relay-europe.ps.net, jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, bugs@warlock.win.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <9503082101.AA01914@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 8, 95 02:01:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 62 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > UnderWare! Underware is already taken. Beachware is good. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 17:07:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA28675 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:07:37 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA28594 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:04:50 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06159; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 00:47:56 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id AAA09499; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 00:47:55 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA04571; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 00:37:40 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199503082337.AAA04571@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 00:37:40 +0100 (MET) Cc: peter@bonkers.taronga.com, aledm@relay-europe.ps.net, jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, bugs@warlock.win.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <9503082101.AA01914@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 8, 95 02:01:54 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 273 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Terry Lambert wrote: > > BWare! > UnderWare! > EveningWare! > VaporWare! Once somebody has implemented `steam': SteamWare! -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 17:10:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA28933 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:10:44 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA28848 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:09:54 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06159; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 00:47:56 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id AAA09499; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 00:47:55 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA04571; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 00:37:40 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199503082337.AAA04571@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 00:37:40 +0100 (MET) Cc: peter@bonkers.taronga.com, aledm@relay-europe.ps.net, jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, bugs@warlock.win.net, hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <9503082101.AA01914@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 8, 95 02:01:54 pm Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 273 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Terry Lambert wrote: > > BWare! > UnderWare! > EveningWare! > VaporWare! Once somebody has implemented `steam': SteamWare! -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 17:12:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA29048 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:12:05 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA28998 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:11:37 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA06153; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 00:47:54 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id AAA09493 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 00:47:53 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA04546 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 00:35:07 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199503082335.AAA04546@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Repair floppies - what should we have? (fwd) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 00:35:06 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Julian Elischer" at Mar 8, 95 10:57:52 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 756 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Julian Elischer wrote: > > >From doing many repairs, The following are needed > 8/ a symlink from /usr/lib to /mnt/usr/lib so that if > there are binaries on the HD you want, you can get to the shared libs.. More important than this symlink would be the ld.so (or a symlink to /mnt/usr/libexec). While you are free to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH at any time, ld.so is only searched at this one position. Perhaps we should also search it under /stand??? > you can easily swap disks during boot by booting -c and puting in a floppy > when the config prompt comes up.. Good idea, better than ``hot-swapping''. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 17:35:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA00912 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:35:19 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA00906 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:35:18 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA03401; Wed, 8 Mar 95 18:28:27 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9503090128.AA03401@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF To: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 18:28:27 MST Cc: jds@cs.umd.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503090027.SAA02981@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Mar 8, 95 06:27:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Oh, and it was: "Houston, Tranquility Base here; the Eagle has landed". > > Ditto. > > > Followed by "We copy tran-tranquility". > > I think it was "Roger, Traq-tranquility, we copy you on the ground." I knew it looked funny when I typed it; ah well, it wouldn't be a good correction if I didn't then screw up on the followon. 8-). "Houston, FreeBSD here; the Daemon has landed". 8-). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 17:40:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA00989 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:40:01 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA00975 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:39:59 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA03417; Wed, 8 Mar 95 18:33:18 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9503090133.AA03417@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: A deal on hard Quantum hard drives To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 18:33:17 MST Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503090047.QAA29258@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Mar 8, 95 04:47:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Quantum Grand Prix 4301 > 4.30GB formatted capacity > Quantum Atlas XP32150 > 2.15GB formatted capacity [ ... ] > Please only reply if you are going to buy as this is a very short time > offer and I can't over order hoping to sell them. Actually, has anyone got a > 4G formatted capacity drive to test big disks and 64 bit offests with? Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 17:46:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA01262 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:46:23 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA01256 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:46:17 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id RAA29410; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:44:44 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199503090144.RAA29410@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: A deal on hard Quantum hard drives To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:44:44 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9503090133.AA03417@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 8, 95 06:33:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 750 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Quantum Grand Prix 4301 > > 4.30GB formatted capacity > > Quantum Atlas XP32150 > > 2.15GB formatted capacity > [ ... ] > > Please only reply if you are going to buy as this is a very short time > > offer and I can't over order hoping to sell them. > > Actually, has anyone got a > 4G formatted capacity drive to test > big disks and 64 bit offests with? It is > 2G that you need (32 bit SIGNED offset), and I know thud has one on it, but it failed the tests when Gary tried to go with a 4GB partition. I do not know who else out there has a >2G drive that they can just play with. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 17:57:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA01587 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:57:47 -0800 Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA01581 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:57:46 -0800 Received: from geli.clusternet (rcarter.vip.best.com [204.156.137.2]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA12689; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:56:37 -0800 Received: (from rcarter@localhost) by geli.clusternet (8.6.10/8.6.9) id RAA28112; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:55:09 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:55:09 -0800 From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-Id: <199503090155.RAA28112@geli.clusternet> To: dufault@hda.com Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk |From: Peter Dufault |Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? |To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) |Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:33:28 -0500 (EST) |Cc: hsu@cs.hut.fi, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, terry@cs.weber.edu, | witr@rwwa.com | |Terry Lambert writes: |> |> > I'll promise to donate $100 of my own, and, say $400 of my company money to |> > BSD (or Free operating system) Consortium if one will ever be set up to get |> > rid of this mess. |> |> Actually, this was first considered some time ago, and was discussed |> at length by Robert Withrow, myself, and others. |> | |It must be in the air. I sent out a message about a FreeBSD |consortium the other day. It was eaten in the great mailing list |lossage; I don't know if anyone saw it or not. | |My point was (as it was the last time we discussed this) that when |I put together proposals that feature FreeBSD then a consortium |lends more credibility. For me, as well. | |> To keep the ball rolling, I could probably come up with $500 as well |> (but I'd want a T-shirt or a cloisoine Daemon pin and a nice "charter |> member" certificate or something). 8-). | |$500 here also if we can agree on the charter for the organization. Likewise. An excellent investment, I think. Russell Carter Geli Engineering 408-246-6905 Economical Workstation Clusters rcarter@geli.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 18:58:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA03371 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 18:58:05 -0800 Received: from kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu (root@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu [130.132.128.124]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA03365 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 18:58:02 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:57:17 +0000 From: Vince Chan Subject: Re: sound To: Rob Mallory cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199503082214.AA16681@wiley.csusb.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Rob Mallory wrote: > > > > > > > > /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/sound/sound.doc > > > -- > > > > I just checked but there isn't a sound.doc file in that > > directory... Any ideas? > > > ...have you sup'd recently? > Yes, twice and it worked on the second time today... > I just compiled a new kernel and found the sound support for the > GUS *actually works without a dos init!* Yey! Good job guys! > [...trail of foam as the virtual-Steinlager flows into the MBONE] > How do I get the sound to work after I compile a new kernel with sound support? > on another note, I finaly ditched my chatter-free Feb.12 kernel for > todays with the fixes from DG/phk. !more virtual beers on the way! > > I'm off to compile xpilots3.3.1 with rplay3.2.0b2! > > -Rob Mallory [rmallory@csusb.edu] > Cheers, Vince E-mail: vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu,\|/ Sys Adm - CircleStar Technologies,Inc. root@berkeley.circlestar.com,(o o) San Francisco, California USA _________________________oOO__(_)__OOo_____________________________ | There are many forms of science but only physics is the quantum | | leap of the 21st Century. | \_________________________________________________________________/ uPoy@physics.ucla.edu UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering Los Angeles, California USA GUS Digest Adminstrator Advanced Gravis UltraSound Card - The ultimate in soundcard technology System Administrator - bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 19:34:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA04377 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 19:34:50 -0800 Received: from gate.sinica.edu.tw (gate.sinica.edu.tw [140.109.14.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA04365 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 19:34:33 -0800 Received: by gate.sinica.edu.tw (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA13533; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:31:42 --800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:29:52 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF To: Peter da Silva Cc: James da Silva , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503081806.MAA26954@bonkers.taronga.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 534 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Peter da Silva wrote: > > No, it was "it's some kind of soft stuff. I can push it around with my foot". Was this before or after he slayed the terrible lunar mud beasts that NASA never showed? ;-) > If you count that, the real first words were: > > "Houston, this is Tranquility Base. The Eagle has landed." "Berkeley, this is Hacker Central. The Daemon has landed." -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 19:51:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA04843 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 19:51:46 -0800 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA04837 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 19:51:39 -0800 From: krnlhkr@mcs.com Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA19187; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:51:06 -0600 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 8 Mar 95 22:02 CST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 22:02 CST Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF To: James da Silva , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk <---- Begin Included Message ----> Er, wasn't it "One small step for [a] man, a giant LEAP for mankind."? ^^^^ So how about "One small step for BSD, a giant leap for PCs.". Or something, Jaime ............................................................................. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 19:51:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA04851 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 19:51:54 -0800 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA04845 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 19:51:51 -0800 From: krnlhkr@mcs.com Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA19191; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:51:12 -0600 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 8 Mar 95 22:02 CST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 22:02 CST Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF To: Peter da Silva , jds@cs.umd.edu (James da Silva) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk <---- Begin Included Message ----> > Er, wasn't it "One small step for [a] man, a giant LEAP for mankind."? > ^^^^ No, it was "it's some kind of soft stuff. I can push it around with my foot". The "small step" (which he totally messed up, by the way, using the same words ib both phrases) was said while standing on the landing pad. If you count that, the real first words were: "Houston, this is Tranquility Base. The Eagle has landed." <---- End Included Message ----> Ok, how about, "Berkeley, this is FreeBSD. The Daemon has landed." -Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis J. Giliberto, Jr. ! Support the Free Software Foundation krnlhkr@mcs.com ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 19:52:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA04859 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 19:52:07 -0800 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA04853 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 19:52:05 -0800 From: krnlhkr@mcs.com Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA19195; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:51:19 -0600 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 8 Mar 95 22:02 CST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 22:02 CST Subject: Re: Repair floppies - what should we have? (fwd) To: jmb@kryten.atinc.com, julian@tfs.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk <---- Begin Included Message ----> an editor, could be small, could be brain dead. just something to diddle files jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 <---- End Included Message ----> How about "ed"? That's small and brain dead, heh. -Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis J. Giliberto, Jr. ! Support the Free Software Foundation krnlhkr@mcs.com ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 20:30:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA05933 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:30:35 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA05925 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:30:23 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id UAA29653; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:28:15 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199503090428.UAA29653@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Repair floppies - what should we have? (fwd) To: krnlhkr@mcs.com Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:28:15 -0800 (PST) Cc: jmb@kryten.atinc.com, julian@tfs.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "krnlhkr@mcs.com" at Mar 8, 95 10:02:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 524 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > <---- Begin Included Message ----> > > an editor, could be small, could be brain dead. > just something to diddle files ... > > <---- End Included Message ----> > > How about "ed"? That's small and brain dead, heh. > Not by floppy standards: -r-xr-xr-x 2 bin bin 110592 Feb 23 22:24 /bin/ed That is 1/10 of the space you have on a 1.2MB floppy :-(. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 21:10:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA06697 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:10:57 -0800 Received: from gate.sinica.edu.tw (gate.sinica.edu.tw [140.109.14.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA06690 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:10:55 -0800 Received: by gate.sinica.edu.tw (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA17700; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:09:00 --800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:03:11 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao Subject: Re: A deal on hard Quantum hard drives To: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503090144.RAA29410@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 727 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > I do not know who else out there has a >2G drive that they can just > play with. I may be in a position to help out, depending on how our hardware budget proposals go. We are asking for the equivalent of about US$10000 from the higher-ups to augment our hard drive storage (we need to spool a lot of 3D NMR data to disk for later processing). I would be able to "borrow" a suitably large drive for a day just for testing out 64-bit offsets. The only problem is that it may still take several weeks for the whole thing to happen. :( -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 21:10:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA06687 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:10:54 -0800 Received: from syzygy.zytek.com (syzygy.zytek.com [140.174.241.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA06679 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:10:52 -0800 Received: (from melvin@localhost) by syzygy.zytek.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA14864 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:09:56 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:09:56 -0800 From: Stephen Melvin Message-Id: <199503090509.VAA14864@syzygy.zytek.com> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> He claims: "That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind". >> Actually: "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind". > >Exactly right. > Well, while it's *probably* the case that he said this (and blew the line), I think it's at least arguable that he could have said "for-uh-man" with a very faint accent on the "uh". If you say this quickly, it is almost indistinguishable from "for man" without extremely high fidelity. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 22:07:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA07696 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 22:07:34 -0800 Received: from grunt.grondar.za (grunt.grondar.za [196.7.18.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA07690 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 22:07:26 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grunt.grondar.za (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA18571; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 08:05:34 +0200 Message-Id: <199503090605.IAA18571@grunt.grondar.za> X-Authentication-Warning: grunt.grondar.za: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Branson Matheson cc: dufault@hda.com (Peter Dufault), terry@cs.weber.edu, hsu@cs.hut.fi, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, witr@rwwa.com Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 08:05:33 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Count me in for 100.00 (I am not as rich as the rest of yall ;-) Dunno what I could contribute, but it would be _something_. I'm in... M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 22:12:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA07827 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 22:12:57 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA07821 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 22:12:56 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA02361; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 22:11:58 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503090611.WAA02361@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 22:11:58 -0800 (PST) Cc: branson@dvals1.larc.nasa.gov, dufault@hda.com, terry@cs.weber.edu, hsu@cs.hut.fi, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, witr@rwwa.com In-Reply-To: <199503090605.IAA18571@grunt.grondar.za> from "Mark Murray" at Mar 9, 95 08:05:33 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 350 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As far as I know, Jordan is in the process of doing the paperwork to get the IRS to understand we do this for fun (ie: shouldn't pay tax since we make no money on it). -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 22:13:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA07837 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 22:13:04 -0800 Received: from gate.sinica.edu.tw (gate.sinica.edu.tw [140.109.14.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA07829 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 22:13:01 -0800 Received: by gate.sinica.edu.tw (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA22537; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:09:24 --800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:08:48 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF To: Peter da Silva Cc: Ken Hornstein , jds@cs.umd.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503090030.SAA03052@bonkers.taronga.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 385 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Peter da Silva wrote: > > Nice. A little closer to the original meaning: > > "Berkeley, FreeBSD here. The demon has landed." Yes! :) Except "daemon" instead of "demon". :) Or would that be too obscure for non-UNIX types? -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 8 22:18:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA07978 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 22:18:19 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA07971 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 22:18:18 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA21778; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 22:16:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199503090616.WAA21778@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: estienne.cs.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: krnlhkr@mcs.com, jmb@kryten.atinc.com, julian@tfs.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Repair floppies - what should we have? (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 08 Mar 1995 20:28:15 PST." <199503090428.UAA29653@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 22:16:57 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >> >> <---- Begin Included Message ----> >> >> an editor, could be small, could be brain dead. >> just something to diddle files >... >> >> <---- End Included Message ----> >> >> How about "ed"? That's small and brain dead, heh. >> >Not by floppy standards: >-r-xr-xr-x 2 bin bin 110592 Feb 23 22:24 /bin/ed > >That is 1/10 of the space you have on a 1.2MB floppy :-(. > >-- >Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com >Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD Rod. How close are you to getting the kcopy floppy and assorted tools cleaned up? I commonly use a heavily adulterated kcopy floppy to save my but, and it seems like 3/4 of the machinery for a good fixit floppy is already there. When your stuff goes into the tree, others who use these floppies can contribute to creating a couple of different fixit floppies for different scenarios. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 00:09:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA00209 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 00:09:24 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA00203 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 00:09:20 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA01204; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 23:32:47 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA01529; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 23:32:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199503090732.XAA01529@corbin.Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: corbin.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert), hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: A deal on hard Quantum hard drives In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 08 Mar 95 17:44:44 PST." <199503090144.RAA29410@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 23:32:46 -0800 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Actually, has anyone got a > 4G formatted capacity drive to test >> big disks and 64 bit offests with? > >It is > 2G that you need (32 bit SIGNED offset), and I know thud has >one on it, but it failed the tests when Gary tried to go with a 4GB >partition. > >I do not know who else out there has a >2G drive that they can just >play with. The failure was caused by a loss of precision when converting disk block offsets in the vnode pager. This has been fixed...so the tests need to be done again. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 01:36:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA01585 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 01:36:36 -0800 Received: from tfs.com (mailhub.tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA01578 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 01:36:32 -0800 Received: by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) Message-Id: From: julian@tfs.com (Julian Elischer) Subject: Re: Repair floppies - what should we have? (fwd) To: gibbs@estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 01:35:24 -0800 (PST) Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, krnlhkr@mcs.com, jmb@kryten.atinc.com, julian@tfs.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199503090616.WAA21778@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Mar 8, 95 10:16:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1816 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I built a good fixit floppy today using the crunch stuff. I used the fixit definition in the crunch sources examples directory.. it basically includes the universe.. as a compressed executable, it 'is only 500k, and includes everything you could want including vi. check out the definition in /usr/src/usr.sbin/crunch/examples I used it today.. works fine and I had 700k left for actually writing on in the disk. (which I needed for that problem). I'll be cleaning it up and puting it into the release makefile so it gets built along with the other floppies... Joe-bob says "see it". julian > > >> > >> > >> <---- Begin Included Message ----> > >> > >> an editor, could be small, could be brain dead. > >> just something to diddle files > >... > >> > >> <---- End Included Message ----> > >> > >> How about "ed"? That's small and brain dead, heh. > >> > >Not by floppy standards: > >-r-xr-xr-x 2 bin bin 110592 Feb 23 22:24 /bin/ed > > > >That is 1/10 of the space you have on a 1.2MB floppy :-(. > > > >-- > >Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > >Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD > > Rod. How close are you to getting the kcopy floppy and assorted tools > cleaned up? I commonly use a heavily adulterated kcopy floppy to save > my but, and it seems like 3/4 of the machinery for a good fixit floppy > is already there. When your stuff goes into the tree, others who use > these floppies can contribute to creating a couple of different fixit > floppies for different scenarios. > > -- > Justin T. Gibbs > ============================================== > TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 > Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus > ============================================== > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 02:03:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA02110 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 02:03:38 -0800 Received: from dns.netvision.net.il (root@dns.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA02097 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 02:03:20 -0800 Received: from ugen.NetManage.co.il (ugen.netmanage.co.il [192.114.78.165]) by dns.netvision.net.il (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA19199; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:02:24 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 11:31:31 IST From: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" Subject: RE: Sound in current To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, "matthew c. mead" X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.00-Arm-25, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I just built the current kernel as of this morning, and tried out sound. >Congratulations! It no longer totally messes up by repeating and such... What >was the problem? Anyhow, I still can't use the snd-util mixer program - >ioctls seem to be always returning invalid argument, and on the GUS a tiny bit ioctl's should be fixed by my soundcard.h change..this also fixes some other stuff... >of each sample is repeated at the end of playing it. Any ideas? Thanks! -- -=Ugen J.S.Antsilevich=- NetVision - Israeli Commercial Internet | Learning E-mail: ugen@NetVision.net.il | To Fly. [c] Phone : +972-4-550330 | From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 02:26:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA03379 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 02:26:35 -0800 Received: from minnow.render.com (render.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.118]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA03367 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 02:26:31 -0800 Received: (from dfr@localhost) by minnow.render.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA13537; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:56:22 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:56:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Peter Dufault cc: Terry Lambert , hsu@cs.hut.fi, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, witr@rwwa.com Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? In-Reply-To: <199503082133.QAA03120@hda.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Peter Dufault wrote: > Terry Lambert writes: > > > > > I'll promise to donate $100 of my own, and, say $400 of my company money to > > > BSD (or Free operating system) Consortium if one will ever be set up to get > > > rid of this mess. > > > > Actually, this was first considered some time ago, and was discussed > > at length by Robert Withrow, myself, and others. > > > > [...] > $500 here also if we can agree on the charter for the organization. I'll put in UKP 350 (depending on the exchange rate :-). Lets make this an International Organization. -- Doug Rabson, RenderMorphics Ltd. Mail: dfr@render.com Phone: +44 171 251 4411 FAX: +44 171 251 0939 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 02:35:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA03923 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 02:35:14 -0800 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA03914 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 02:35:10 -0800 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id FAA06142; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 05:32:33 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199503091032.FAA06142@hda.com> Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 05:32:32 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Doug Rabson" at Mar 9, 95 09:56:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 363 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Doug Rabson writes: > I'll put in UKP 350 (depending on the exchange rate :-). Lets make this > an International Organization. Unfortunately I think we better make our offers in DM. Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 03:54:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA05975 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 03:54:31 -0800 Received: from dns.netvision.net.il (root@dns.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA05968 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 03:54:27 -0800 Received: from ugen.NetManage.co.il (ugen.netmanage.co.il [192.114.78.165]) by dns.netvision.net.il (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA28456; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:50:26 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 13:19:36 IST From: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: Peter Dufault , Doug Rabson Cc: Terry Lambert , hsu@cs.hut.fi, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, witr@rwwa.com X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.00-Arm-25, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Peter Dufault wrote: > >> Terry Lambert writes: >> > >> > > I'll promise to donate $100 of my own, and, say $400 of my company money to >> > > BSD (or Free operating system) Consortium if one will ever be set up to get >> > > rid of this mess. >> > >> > Actually, this was first considered some time ago, and was discussed >> > at length by Robert Withrow, myself, and others. >> > >> >> [...] >> $500 here also if we can agree on the charter for the organization. > >I'll put in UKP 350 (depending on the exchange rate :-). Lets make this >an International Organization. Yeh..i'll put out there 100000 Rubals (Well,Shequels are too expensive:))))) -- -=Ugen J.S.Antsilevich=- NetVision - Israeli Commercial Internet | Learning E-mail: ugen@NetVision.net.il | To Fly. [c] Phone : +972-4-550330 | From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 04:00:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA06188 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 04:00:36 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA06181 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 04:00:26 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA20973 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 05:46:35 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA25279; 9 Mar 95 05:46:05 CST (Thu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA25275; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 05:46:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199503091146.FAA25275@bonkers.taronga.com> X-Authentication-Warning: bonkers.taronga.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: krnlhkr@mcs.com Cc: jmb@kryten.atinc.com, julian@tfs.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Repair floppies - what should we have? (fwd) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 08 Mar 95 22:02:00 CST." X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4.1 7/21/94 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 05:45:25 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > How about "ed"? That's small and brain dead, heh. I can't disagree more. Ed was the finest line-oriented text editor ever devised. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 04:01:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA06237 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 04:01:36 -0800 Received: from relay-europe.ps.net (relay-europe.ps.net [160.110.96.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA06225 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 04:01:28 -0800 Received: by relay-europe.ps.net (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA04892; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:00:30 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:00:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Aled Morris Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: Terry Lambert Cc: hsu@cs.hut.fi, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, witr@rwwa.com In-Reply-To: <199503082133.QAA03120@hda.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Terry Lambert writes: > > > > > I'll promise to donate $100 of my own, and, say $400 of my company money to > > > BSD (or Free operating system) Consortium if one will ever be set up to get > > > rid of this mess. I'll put in $100 of my own money, and I'll ask Ross if he's got any spare :-) Aled -- aledm@relay-europe.ps.net | tel +44 973 207987 Perot Systems Europe Ltd. | fax +44 181 476 2419 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 04:49:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA07036 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 04:49:28 -0800 Received: from mramirez.sy.yale.edu (mramirez.sy.yale.edu [130.132.57.207]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA07030 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 04:49:25 -0800 Received: (from mrami@localhost) by mramirez.sy.yale.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA10422; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 23:52:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 23:52:35 -0500 (EST) From: Marc Ramirez Reply-To: mrami@minerva.cis.yale.edu To: Peter Dufault cc: Terry Lambert , hsu@cs.hut.fi, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, witr@rwwa.com Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? In-Reply-To: <199503082133.QAA03120@hda.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Peter Dufault wrote: > Terry Lambert writes: > > > > To keep the ball rolling, I could probably come up with $500 as well > > (but I'd want a T-shirt or a cloisoine Daemon pin and a nice "charter > > member" certificate or something). 8-). > > $500 here also if we can agree on the charter for the organization. I work part-time for a VAR. Since I've been there, we've started doing our development on FreeBSD, but our PC package run's on SCO (yeech). For the little colorful brochure someone mentioned, I would be glad to pay $500. Marc. -- You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance. - Edward Flaherty From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 05:59:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA08008 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 05:59:47 -0800 Received: from ess.harris.com (su15a.ess.harris.com [130.41.1.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA08002 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 05:59:45 -0800 Received: from borg.ess.harris.com (suw2k.ess.harris.com) by ess.harris.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA21446; Thu, 9 Mar 95 08:59:41 EST Received: by borg.ess.harris.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10123; Thu, 9 Mar 95 08:57:43 EST Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 08:57:43 EST From: jleppek@suw2k.ess.harris.com (James Leppek) Message-Id: <9503091357.AA10123@borg.ess.harris.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As the melbourne, FL. Freebsd support engineer and general advocate I am gradually getting converts from the linux and solaris folks. I think this is a good idea and the timing is right, count me in for a few hundred. I am amazed at how many times people comment on what a great OS this is but does it come in a nice box like LINUX, AARRRGGG. We would have to have a good consortium logo, would the giantstep be it. Being artistically impaired, some would say severly handicapped :-) , this is an area where I could contribute nothing. Who would work on the draft charter? Jim Leppek > From owner-freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Thu Mar 9 08:32:20 1995 > Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:00:30 +0000 (GMT) > From: Aled Morris > Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? > To: Terry Lambert > Cc: hsu@cs.hut.fi, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, witr@rwwa.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type> : > TEXT/PLAIN> ; > charset=US-ASCII> > Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org > > > > Terry Lambert writes: > > > > > > > I'll promise to donate $100 of my own, and, say $400 of my company money to > > > > BSD (or Free operating system) Consortium if one will ever be set up to get > > > > rid of this mess. > > I'll put in $100 of my own money, and I'll ask Ross if he's got any spare :-) > > Aled > -- > aledm@relay-europe.ps.net | tel +44 973 207987 > Perot Systems Europe Ltd. | fax +44 181 476 2419 > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 06:04:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA08091 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 06:04:22 -0800 Received: from deacon.cogsci.ed.ac.uk (deacon.cogsci.ed.ac.uk [129.215.144.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA08085 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 06:04:19 -0800 Received: (from richard@localhost) by deacon.cogsci.ed.ac.uk (8.6.10/8.6.9) id OAA13324; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:03:32 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:03:32 GMT Message-Id: <199503091403.OAA13324@deacon.cogsci.ed.ac.uk> From: Richard Tobin Subject: Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF To: Brian Tao In-Reply-To: Brian Tao's message of Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:08:48 +0800 (CST) Organization: just say no Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Yes! :) Except "daemon" instead of "demon". :) Or would that be > too obscure for non-UNIX types? Not only would it not be obscure, it would be the usual spelling in many parts of the world! -- Richard From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 06:25:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA09250 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 06:25:41 -0800 Received: from tommy.extendsys.com (TOMMY.EXTENDSYS.COM [198.102.102.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA09244 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 06:25:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199503091425.GAA09244@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: MSoft TCP/IP article To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 07:41:43 -0700 (MST) From: David Poole X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1129 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thought everyone might enjoy this. ----------- >From the 6-Mar-95 issue of Infoworld (reproduced without their permission). Windows for Workgroups has a breakthrough not even a shrink could love. Robert X. Cringley "Want to experience your own feeling of absolute power? Run Windows for Workgroups 3.11 with sharing enabled, then install Microsoft's TCP/IP stack and connect to the Internet by router or modem. Finally, go to Connect under the File menu and see how many PCs are available to link to. Depending on how your fire wall is working (or not) you may find *hundreds* of workstations available for connecting all over the country. "The friend who told me about this had perused with impunity hard disks at Microsoft itself, then told them. When Microsoft finally came up with an answer, they called it an undocumented feature of the product." -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Poole Networking under Dos is like davep@tommy.extendsys.com adding a fifth leg to a cow. Extended Systems, Inc. -me From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 06:30:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA09400 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 06:30:59 -0800 Received: from rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA09392 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 06:30:57 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rwwa.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03705 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:07:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199503091407.JAA03705@rwwa.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rwwa.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 08 Mar 1995 11:18:11 MST." <9503081818.AA01327@cs.weber.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 09:07:01 -0500 From: Robert Withrow Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry said: > Actually, this was first considered some time ago, and was discussed > at length by Robert Withrow, myself, and others. I probably have the news article I posted about it. At the time I proposed it `those who know everything' loudly lambasted it as the stupidest idea any mortal ever had. ``Just look how the X consortium has destroyed window systems!'' they said. Anyway, since I now use FreeBSD as the core platform for our systems, I would support (monetarily and orgainzationally) a ``vendor independent'' bsd consortium, along the lines of the X consortium. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430 Net: witr@rwwa.COM R.W. Withrow Associates, 319 Lynnway Suite 201, Lynn MA 01901 USA From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 06:43:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA09681 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 06:43:16 -0800 Received: from sass165 (sass165.sandia.gov [132.175.109.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA09675 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 06:43:15 -0800 Received: from amor.mdl.sandia.gov (amor.mdl.sandia.gov [134.253.20.147]) by sass165 (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA15826 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 07:48:05 -0700 Received: (aflundi@localhost) by amor.mdl.sandia.gov (8.6.10) id HAA19908 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 07:43:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199503091443.HAA19908@amor.mdl.sandia.gov> From: aflundi@sandia.gov (Alan F Lundin) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 07:43:03 -0700 In-Reply-To: Peter da Silva "Re: Repair floppies - what should we have? (fwd)" (Mar 9, 5:45am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92) To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Repair floppies - what should we have? (fwd) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mar 9, 5:45am, Peter da Silva wrote: > Subject: Re: Repair floppies - what should we have? (fwd) > > > How about "ed"? That's small and brain dead, heh. > > I can't disagree more. Ed was the finest line-oriented text editor ever > devised. Except, perhaps, for "sam -d", the "ed"-like part of Rob Pike's Sam editor. --alan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 06:43:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA09691 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 06:43:42 -0800 Received: from flowbee.interaccess.com (flowbee.interaccess.com [198.80.0.32]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA09685 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 06:43:41 -0800 Received: (joeg@localhost) by flowbee.interaccess.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id IAA00556; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 08:40:02 -0600 From: Joe Grosch Message-Id: <199503091440.IAA00556@flowbee.interaccess.com> Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: ugen@netvision.net.il (Ugen J.S.Antsilevich) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 08:40:00 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joeg@interaccess.com In-Reply-To: from "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" at Mar 9, 95 01:19:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1061 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > >On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Peter Dufault wrote: > > > >> Terry Lambert writes: > >> > > >> > > I'll promise to donate $100 of my own, and, say $400 of my company money to > >> > > BSD (or Free operating system) Consortium if one will ever be set up to get > >> > > rid of this mess. > >> > > >> > Actually, this was first considered some time ago, and was discussed > >> > at length by Robert Withrow, myself, and others. > >> > > >> > >> [...] > >> $500 here also if we can agree on the charter for the organization. > > > >I'll put in UKP 350 (depending on the exchange rate :-). Lets make this > >an International Organization. > Yeh..i'll put out there 100000 Rubals (Well,Shequels are too expensive:))))) I'll put up $200.00. I assume that this will be a not-for-profit organization. My business manager (my wife) want to know if this will be a tax write off :-). Josef -- Josef Grosch | Last night I was laying in bed, looking up at | the stars and wondering, "Where the fuck is joeg@interaccess.com | my roof ?" From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 06:47:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA09773 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 06:47:33 -0800 Received: from dns.netvision.net.il (root@dns.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA09766 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 06:47:28 -0800 Received: from ugen.NetManage.co.il (ugen.netmanage.co.il [192.114.78.165]) by dns.netvision.net.il (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA17780; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 16:46:13 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 16:14:27 IST From: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" , joeg@interaccess.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.00-Arm-25, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >> > > I'll promise to donate $100 of my own, and, say $400 of my company money to >> >> $500 here also if we can agree on the charter for the organization. >> >I'll put in UKP 350 (depending on the exchange rate :-). Lets make this >> Yeh..i'll put out there 100000 Rubals (Well,Shequels are too expensive:))))) >I'll put up $200.00. I assume that this will be a not-for-profit -------------------------- Total: ~1400$...Hmm...actually this i ssad guys..with such donations we will not get far..To say the truth we need a good sponsor.... -- -=Ugen J.S.Antsilevich=- NetVision - Israeli Commercial Internet | Learning E-mail: ugen@NetVision.net.il | To Fly. [c] Phone : +972-4-550330 | From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 07:56:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA11631 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 07:56:23 -0800 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [198.137.146.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA11625 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 07:56:12 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA20776; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 08:55:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199503091555.IAA20776@rover.village.org> From: imp@boulder.openware.com To: Peter da Silva Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 08 Mar 1995 12:03:21 CST Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 08:55:37 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : No... no... I got it... : : OpenWare! No. You *REALLY* don't want to use that. :-) Warner imp@boulder.openware.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 08:19:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA12542 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 08:19:19 -0800 Received: from trout.sri.MT.net (trout.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA12532; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 08:19:13 -0800 Received: (from nate@localhost) by trout.sri.MT.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA25172; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:23:19 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:23:19 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199503091623.JAA25172@trout.sri.MT.net> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Stack trace routine for running programs Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of a way to do a stack dump (trace) of a running program while *NOT* in the debugger. We are trying to debug a program that behaves very differently when it is running under the debugger, and being able to see a call stack would be very helpful. We have some code to do it on a 68020 HP box, but it's pretty convoluted and full of un-commented MAGIC #'s, so I'd rather not start from there. I could reverse engineer things by looking at the assembled output from the compiler, but if there already exists code that is easy to use I'd be much happier than that. I looked through gdb, but it's so large and I know so little about the layout that I didn't even know where to look. Oh, the stack trace we need is on SCO-x86 and Sparc boxes. The SCO code would be preferrable, but if someone could point me in the right direction I think I could get it running on both with a good push to some code fragments. Thanks! Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 08:19:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA12555 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 08:19:31 -0800 Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.140.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA12478 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 08:17:34 -0800 Received: (from smpatel@localhost) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) id LAA08665; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:15:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:15:51 -0500 (EST) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: "matthew c. mead" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Sound in current In-Reply-To: <199503090024.TAA00532@goof.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, matthew c. mead wrote: > I just built the current kernel as of this morning, and tried out sound. > Congratulations! It no longer totally messes up by repeating and such... What > was the problem? Anyhow, I still can't use the snd-util mixer program - > ioctls seem to be always returning invalid argument, and on the GUS a tiny bit > of each sample is repeated at the end of playing it. Any ideas? Thanks! Well thats good! I dunno exactly which patch fixed it.. It's been very messy over the last week. There is another big commit from swallace coming in as soon as a few of us test it out, after that I'll look at the ioctls. Sujal From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 10:22:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA18057 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:22:05 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA18051 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:22:02 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA06808; Thu, 9 Mar 95 11:15:35 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9503091815.AA06808@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: ugen@netvision.net.il (Ugen J.S.Antsilevich) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 11:15:35 MST Cc: ugen@netvision.net.il, joeg@interaccess.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" at Mar 9, 95 04:14:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >> >> > > I'll promise to donate $100 of my own, and, say $400 of my company money to > >> >> $500 here also if we can agree on the charter for the organization. > >> >I'll put in UKP 350 (depending on the exchange rate :-). Lets make this > >> Yeh..i'll put out there 100000 Rubals (Well,Shequels are too expensive:))))) > >I'll put up $200.00. I assume that this will be a not-for-profit > -------------------------- > Total: ~1400$...Hmm...actually this i ssad guys..with such donations we will not get > far..To say the truth we need a good sponsor.... I count closer to $4000; and that's without membership or other solicitation over the period of 36 hours. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 10:51:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA18565 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:51:16 -0800 Received: from ensta.ensta.fr (ensta.ensta.fr [147.250.1.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA18557; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:51:09 -0800 Received: from itesec.hsc-sec.fr (itesec.hsc-sec.fr [192.70.106.33]) by ensta.ensta.fr (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id TAA18298; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 19:49:53 +0100 Received: from sidhe.hsc-sec.fr by itesec.hsc-sec.fr (5.65d8/IDA-1.5f) via HSCnet with SMTP id AA07139; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 19:51:08 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by sidhe.hsc-sec.fr (8.6.10/sidhe-1.2) id TAA01569; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 19:49:49 +0100 From: "Ollivier Robert" Message-Id: <9503091949.ZM1567@sidhe.hsc-sec.fr> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 19:49:48 +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: "FreeBSD's security list" Cc: "FreeBSD's hackers list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sendmail 8.6.11 is out. The patch is in my directory on freefall (if you can't get to Berkeley). -- Ollivier ROBERT -=-=- Hervé Schauer Consultants -=-=- roberto@hsc.fr.net -=-=-=-=-=- Support The Free UNIX Systems ! FreeBSD Linux NetBSD -=-=-=-=-=- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 11:05:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA18895 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:05:43 -0800 Received: from isl.cf.ac.uk (isl-gate.elsy.cf.ac.uk [131.251.22.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA18886; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:05:27 -0800 Received: (from paul@localhost) by isl.cf.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA04084; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 19:04:37 GMT From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199503091904.TAA04084@isl.cf.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Another small nitpick [was Re: Revised version of "Giant Step" GIF] To: julian@tfs.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 19:04:37 +0000 (GMT) Cc: phk@ref.tfs.com, taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Julian Elischer" at Mar 8, 95 12:36:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 915 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Julian Elischer who said > of course.. > study the original moon shot.... > it has the following points.. > > ladder not as visible, a big part of the shot is the 'pad' of the > lander.. > there is only one footprint.. the rest are out of shot.. remember, > you take LONG steps on the moon. > the angle of the shot is from about 60 degrees from the horizontal > (30 from vertical), so the footprint needs to be somehow changed to > reflect this perspective.. I know this is based on a real photo but lets not get too pedantic, lets just get something that looks good to us? I'm still in favour of flipping the whole thing so it's the right way up :-) -- Paul Richards, FreeBSD core team member. Phone: +44 1222 874000 x6646 (work), +44 1222 457651 (home) Dept. Mechanical Engineering, University of Wales, College Cardiff. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, JANET(UK): RICHARDSDP@CARDIFF.AC.UK From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 11:12:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA19011 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:12:21 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA19005 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:12:17 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id LAA01152; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:11:00 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199503091911.LAA01152@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: A deal on hard Quantum hard drives To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:11:00 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9503091732.AA06641@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 9, 95 10:32:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 478 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Quantum Grand Prix 4301 > > 4.30GB formatted capacity 3.5" Half Height, 5 year warranty. > > Quantum Atlas XP32150 > > 2.15GB formatted capacity 3.5" Low Profile (1"), 5 year warranty. > > Forgot to ask. What are the form factor and power requirements of > these things? I don't know the power requirements. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 11:44:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA19642 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:44:46 -0800 Received: from nomad.osmre.gov (nomad.osmre.gov [192.243.129.244]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA19635 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:44:40 -0800 Received: (from gfoster@localhost) by nomad.osmre.gov (8.6.8/8.6.6) id OAA08487; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:42:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:42:48 -0500 From: Glen Foster Message-Id: <199503091942.OAA08487@nomad.osmre.gov> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: BSD Association Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I see that bsd.org is not yet registered. Probably be a good idea to grab it quick. Glen Foster From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 11:46:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA19813 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:46:57 -0800 Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.97.216]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA19805; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:46:55 -0800 Received: (from kargl@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) id LAA29261; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:40:48 -0800 From: Steven G Kargl Message-Id: <199503091940.LAA29261@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: optimization is broken for f77 To: freebsd-current@freefall.cdrom.com (FreeBSD Current), freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (FreeBSD) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:40:48 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1574 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It appears that optimization of Fortran compilations is broken if the source code contains continuation lines. I have a code foo1.f with several continuation lines: f77 -o foo1 -g foo1.f [compiles and runs and gives foo1.dat] f77 -o foo2 -g -O foo1.f [compiles but dies with SIGFPE] f77 -o foo2 -g -O2 foo1.f [compiles but dies with SIGFPE at same place] The guilty lines looks like d(1, 2) = (two * fj * fjm1 - xts) * jxl(j) & + four * xl * jxl(jp1) All variables are declared double precision, and all values are well within the machine precision. If I eliminate all continuation lines from the code, I get f77 -o bar1 -g bar1.f [compiles and runs and gives bar1.dat] f77 -o bar2 -g -O bar1.f [compiles and runs and gives bar2.dat] f77 -o bar2 -g -O2 bar1.f [compiles and runs and gives bar3.dat] `diff -c foo1.dat bar?.dat' shows no differences in the output of the executables. On a different note, I have managed to compile g77-0.5.13 and gcc-2.6.3. g77 -o goo1 -g foo1.f [compiles and runs and gives goo1.dat] g77 -o goo2 -g -O foo1.f [compiles and runs and gives goo2.dat] g77 -o goo2 -g -O2 foo1.f [compiles but dies and gives goo3.dat] `diff -c foo1.dat goo?.dat' shows no differences in the output of the executables. -- Steven G. Kargl | Phone: 206-685-4677 | Applied Physics Laboratory | Fax: 206-543-6785 | University of Washington |---------------------| 1013 NE 40th St | FreeBSD 2.1-current | Seattle, WA 98105 |---------------------| From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 12:32:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA21520 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:32:33 -0800 Received: from expo.x.org (expo.x.org [198.112.45.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA21514 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:32:28 -0800 Received: from fedora.x.org by expo.x.org id AA01372; Thu, 9 Mar 95 15:31:19 -0500 Received: by fedora.x.org id AA01676; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:31:18 -0500 Message-Id: <9503092031.AA01676@fedora.x.org> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 09 Mar 1995 09:07:01 EST." <199503091407.JAA03705@rwwa.com> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 15:31:18 EST From: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Actually, this was first considered some time ago, and was discussed >> at length by Robert Withrow, myself, and others. >I probably have the news article I posted about it. At the time >I proposed it `those who know everything' loudly lambasted it >as the stupidest idea any mortal ever had. Yup. I'd say that there's a really deeply entrenched tradition for doing just that! :-) Having really thick skin is a definite necessity. > ``Just look how >the X consortium has destroyed window systems!'' they said. Yeah, we work really really hard at that. Too bad there's only really one window system that needs to be destroyed and we don't seem to be able to do much about it. -- Kaleb KEITHLEY From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 13:44:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA23195 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:44:52 -0800 Received: from POSC.org (posc.org [192.246.215.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA23187; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:44:45 -0800 Received: from posc.posc.org (posc.posc.org [192.246.215.30]) by POSC.org (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA18097; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:44:38 -0600 Received: from sys14.posc.org (sys14.posc.org [192.246.215.69]) by posc.posc.org (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA05135; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:44:36 -0600 Received: by sys14.posc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02133; Thu, 9 Mar 95 15:44:42 CST Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:44:41 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Waddell X-Sender: waddell@sys14 To: Nate Williams Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Stack trace routine for running programs In-Reply-To: <199503091623.JAA25172@trout.sri.MT.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I don't know whether or not this would work but you might try running the program to where you want the trace then attaching to the program with the gnu debugger (it allows attaching to a running program). On Thu, 9 Mar 1995, Nate Williams wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to do a stack dump (trace) of a running > program while *NOT* in the debugger. We are trying to debug a program > that behaves very differently when it is running under the debugger, and > being able to see a call stack would be very helpful. We have some code > to do it on a 68020 HP box, but it's pretty convoluted and full of > un-commented MAGIC #'s, so I'd rather not start from there. > > I could reverse engineer things by looking at the assembled output from > the compiler, but if there already exists code that is easy to use I'd > be much happier than that. I looked through gdb, but it's so large and > I know so little about the layout that I didn't even know where to look. > > Oh, the stack trace we need is on SCO-x86 and Sparc boxes. The SCO code > would be preferrable, but if someone could point me in the right > direction I think I could get it running on both with a good push to > some code fragments. > > Thanks! > > > Nate > > > > ========================================================================== | Dave Waddell | Disclaimer - I don't even speak for myself | | waddell@posc.org | | | kb5wxe@kb5wxe.ampr.org | + 1 713 267 5103 | ========================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 13:58:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA23666 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:58:53 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA23657 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:58:50 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.11/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id WAA04545 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:57:57 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14921; Thu, 9 Mar 95 22:58:50 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.frmug.fr.net (8.6.10/keltia-uucp-1.21) id WAA02074 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:49:59 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199503092149.WAA02074@keltia.frmug.fr.net> Subject: /etc/printcap for Deskjet 500 and gs To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Hackers' list) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:49:58 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development ctm#437 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1846 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here is my /etc/printcap file ------------------------------------------------------------ # @(#)printcap 5.3 (Berkeley) 6/30/90 deskjet|lp|hp|local line printer:\ :lp=/dev/lpt0n:sd=/var/spool/lp:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:\ :pw#80:pl#64:sb:sh:\ :if=/usr/libexec/lpr/lpf2: ps|djps|local printer with Postscript:\ :lp=/dev/lpt0n:sd=/var/spool/ps:lf=/var/log/lpps-errs:\ :pw#80:pl#64:sb:sh:\ :if=/usr/libexec/lpr/ps2dj:\ :mx#0:sf: ------------------------------------------------------------ The first entry is for text printing. The filter just converts LF into CR+LF. Now that I don't have DOS any more I could modify the printer's jumpers but I'm too lazy :-) The /dev/lpt0n -- which I recreate by hand -- is for stopping the driver of resetting the printer each time... The minor is 16. crw-rw---- 1 root wheel 16, 0 Feb 4 17:31 /dev/lpt0 crw-rw---- 1 root wheel 16, 16 Mar 9 22:19 /dev/lpt0n I'm afraid I don't have the source of lpf2 anymore but it should not be too difficult to recreate : -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24576 Dec 31 1992 /usr/libexec/lpr/lpf2* It is a 386BSD executable :-) The second entry is for PS printing. Just specify "lpr -Pps something". The "source" for ps2dj follows too. ------------------------------------------------------------ #!/bin/sh exec /usr/local/bin/gs -q -sDEVICE=djet500 -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -dNOPAUSE -sOutputFile=- - ------------------------------------------------------------ You just have to replace the printer name in the script to suit your own model. I could -- and should -- use Klemmer's package which by far better than that but the principle "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" just suits me. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #5: Wed Mar 8 23:56:33 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 13:58:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA23660 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:58:52 -0800 Received: from trout.sri.MT.net (trout.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA23652; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:58:43 -0800 Received: (from nate@localhost) by trout.sri.MT.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA26631; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:02:11 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:02:11 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199503092202.PAA26631@trout.sri.MT.net> In-Reply-To: Dave Waddell "Re: Stack trace routine for running programs" (Mar 9, 3:44pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Dave Waddell Subject: Re: Stack trace routine for running programs Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I don't know whether or not this would work but you might try running > the program to where you want the trace then attaching to the program > with the gnu debugger (it allows attaching to a running program). On certain OS's, but not on SCO or SunOS 4. They are too old for that feature to work. It works on newer BSD systems, and systems based on SVR4, but not on the old beats I have here. Thanks, Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 14:03:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA23774 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:03:39 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA23291 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:49:25 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA12764; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:40:50 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id WAA00928 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:40:49 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA08476 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:42:15 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199503092142.WAA08476@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Stack trace routine for running programs To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:42:13 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199503091623.JAA25172@trout.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Mar 9, 95 09:23:19 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 674 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Nate Williams wrote: > > Does anyone know of a way to do a stack dump (trace) of a running > program while *NOT* in the debugger. We are trying to debug a program > that behaves very differently when it is running under the debugger, and > being able to see a call stack would be very helpful. kill -ILL (or -ABRT) :-) I believed our gdb can `attach' to a running process, but all i get is either ``permission denied'' (running as a normal user) or ``read-only filesystem'' (as root). Perhaps our /proc file system? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 14:23:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA24500 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:23:02 -0800 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA24493 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:22:52 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.11/jtpda-5.0) with SMTP id XAA04816 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 23:22:00 +0100 Received: by blaise.ibp.fr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15487; Thu, 9 Mar 95 23:22:54 +0100 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <9503092222.AA15487@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Sendmail and upgrading To: hackers@FreeBSD.org (Hackers' list FreeBSD) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 23:22:53 +0100 (MET) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development ctm#429 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 422 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've applied the 8.6.11 patch and except for cf/m4/version.m4 -- which was not updated when we went to 8.6.10 -- it went cleanly. I patched the file manually. I can do just a commit or do I have to re-import the new sources ? Waiting for answer before commiting anything :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.1.0-Development #1: Mon Mar 6 23:55:18 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 14:34:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA24682 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:34:33 -0800 Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA24675 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:34:29 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA03152 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:35:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199503092235.PAA03152@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: A "FreeBSD" Daemon In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 09 Mar 1995 08:55:37 MST." <199503091555.IAA20776@rover.village.org> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 15:35:26 -0700 From: Steve Passe Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk BSDx (bsdx) ??? bnix ??? From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 15:03:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA25142 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:03:32 -0800 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA25136 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:03:29 -0800 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA16722 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 01:53:06 +0300 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:53:06 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id BAA02601; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 01:53:52 +0300 To: Tom Gray - DCA , hackers@FreeBSD.org References: <199503080817.AAA11104@coyote.rain.org> In-Reply-To: <199503080817.AAA11104@coyote.rain.org>; from Tom Gray - DCA at Wed, 8 Mar 1995 00:17:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 01:53:51 +0300 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.32 FreeBSD] From: "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: FreeBSD uucp lock conventions Lines: 14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 640 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199503080817.AAA11104@coyote.rain.org> Tom Gray - DCA writes: >Could someone answer a couple of questions about the uucp locking >conventions used by FreeBSD? Namely, does it use the HoneyDanber >style of ASCII pids in the lock files? Also, is the default directory >for lock files /var/spool/lock? Yes, look at tip sources f.e. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 15:10:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA25443 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:10:20 -0800 Received: from devnull.mpd.tandem.com (devnull.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.4.29]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA25425 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:10:11 -0800 Received: from olympus by devnull.mpd.tandem.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id RAA05681; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:09:48 -0600 Received: by olympus (4.1/TSS2.1) id AA17641; Thu, 9 Mar 95 17:08:16 CST From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Message-Id: <9503092308.AA17641@olympus> Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:08:14 -0600 (CST) Cc: ugen@netvision.net.il, joeg@interaccess.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9503091815.AA06808@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 9, 95 11:15:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1269 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > >> >> > > I'll promise to donate $100 of my own, and, say $400 of my company money to > > >> >> $500 here also if we can agree on the charter for the organization. > > >> >I'll put in UKP 350 (depending on the exchange rate :-). Lets make this > > >> Yeh..i'll put out there 100000 Rubals (Well,Shequels are too expensive:))))) > > >I'll put up $200.00. I assume that this will be a not-for-profit > > -------------------------- > > Total: ~1400$...Hmm...actually this i ssad guys..with such donations we will not get > > far..To say the truth we need a good sponsor.... > > I count closer to $4000; and that's without membership or other solicitation > over the period of 36 hours. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@cs.weber.edu > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > Not to mention those of us who are willing to spend but haven't filled the internet with news of our generosity. I'm good for at least $100 and maybe more, dependent on the charter. Boyd -- _______________________________________________________________________ Boyd Faulkner faulkner@isd.tandem.com _______________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 15:53:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA26461 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:53:23 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA26263 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:43:28 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA12760; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:40:49 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id WAA00925 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:40:49 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA08446 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:37:57 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199503092137.WAA08446@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Repair floppies - what should we have? (fwd) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:37:56 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199503091146.FAA25275@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Mar 9, 95 05:45:25 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 351 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Peter da Silva wrote: > > > How about "ed"? That's small and brain dead, heh. > > I can't disagree more. Ed was the finest line-oriented text editor ever > devised. ``ed is _the_ Unix editor.'' :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 15:56:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA26593 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:56:58 -0800 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA26584 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:56:40 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA12760; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:40:49 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9-s1) with UUCP id WAA00925 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:40:49 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA08446 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:37:57 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199503092137.WAA08446@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Repair floppies - what should we have? (fwd) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:37:56 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199503091146.FAA25275@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at Mar 9, 95 05:45:25 am Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 351 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Peter da Silva wrote: > > > How about "ed"? That's small and brain dead, heh. > > I can't disagree more. Ed was the finest line-oriented text editor ever > devised. ``ed is _the_ Unix editor.'' :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 17:38:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA28260 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:38:22 -0800 Received: from forgery.CS.Berkeley.EDU (forgery.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.33.75]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA28254 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:38:21 -0800 Received: (from asami@localhost) by forgery.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.10/8.6.9) id RAA02370; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:34:37 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:34:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199503100134.RAA02370@forgery.CS.Berkeley.EDU> To: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com CC: terry@cs.weber.edu, ugen@netvision.net.il, joeg@interaccess.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <9503092308.AA17641@olympus> (faulkner@mpd.tandem.com) Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQHUbKEI=?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOCsbKEIgGyRCOC0bKEI=?=) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * Not to mention those of us who are willing to spend but haven't filled the * internet with news of our generosity. I'm good for at least $100 and maybe * more, dependent on the charter. Me too! I'd put up $100 or so if that will make me the charter member of the ``BSD Consortium''.... :) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 17:42:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA28359 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:42:06 -0800 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA28353 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:42:05 -0800 From: krnlhkr@mcs.com Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA19070; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 19:41:52 -0600 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 9 Mar 95 19:53 CST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 19:53 CST Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: dufault@hda.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk <---- Begin Included Message ----> On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Peter Dufault wrote: > Terry Lambert writes: > > > > > I'll promise to donate $100 of my own, and, say $400 of my company money to > > > BSD (or Free operating system) Consortium if one will ever be set up to get > > > rid of this mess. > > > > Actually, this was first considered some time ago, and was discussed > > at length by Robert Withrow, myself, and others. > > > > [...] > $500 here also if we can agree on the charter for the organization. I'll put in UKP 350 (depending on the exchange rate :-). Lets make this an International Organization. -- Doug Rabson, RenderMorphics Ltd. Mail: dfr@render.com Phone: +44 171 251 4411 FAX: +44 171 251 0939 <---- End Included Message ----> I'll put in $300 ($500 if I have enough time to save pennies to that amount) also and volunteer my services for steering and/or standards committees. I'm terrible at business and that sort of administration, but I would like to help BSD expand its horizons and find new directions. -Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis J. Giliberto, Jr. ! Support the Free Software Foundation krnlhkr@mcs.com ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 17:54:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA28612 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:54:22 -0800 Received: from sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu [130.245.1.47]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA28606 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:54:20 -0800 Received: from starkhome.UUCP (root@localhost) by sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id UAA23966 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 20:54:23 -0500 Received: by starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.10/1.34) id SAA06314; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:59:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:59:51 -0500 From: starkhome!gene@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (Gene Stark) Message-Id: <199503092359.SAA06314@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> To: Peter da Silva Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Peter da Silva's message of Thu, 09 Mar 1995 05:45:25 -0600 Subject: Re: Repair floppies - what should we have? (fwd) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> How about "ed"? That's small and brain dead, heh. > >I can't disagree more. Ed was the finest line-oriented text editor ever >devised. I wholeheartedly agree! - Gene From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 18:08:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA28748 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:08:15 -0800 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA28742 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:08:12 -0800 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <224>; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:11:14 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:10:12 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: SNAP or current? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Which is more stable right now: the latest SNAP, or current? Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 18:47:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA02302 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:47:23 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA02296 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:47:22 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id SAA01682; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:47:10 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503100247.SAA01682@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: SNAP or current? To: tom@haven.uniserve.com (Tom Samplonius) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:47:10 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Tom Samplonius" at Mar 9, 95 06:10:12 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 289 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Which is more stable right now: the latest SNAP, or current? current is pretty good just now I think. -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 19:18:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA02729 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 19:18:39 -0800 Received: from post.demon.co.uk (post.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.72]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA02723 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 19:18:33 -0800 Received: from punt.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa04829; 10 Mar 95 3:16 GMT Received: from bagpuss.demon.co.uk by punt.demon.co.uk id aa27915; 10 Mar 95 1:44 GMT Received: (karl@localhost) by bagpuss.demon.co.uk (99.9/99.9) id BAA05792; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 01:43:28 GMT From: Karl Strickland Message-Id: <199503100143.BAA05792@bagpuss.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: Terry Lambert Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 01:43:27 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9503091815.AA06808@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 9, 95 11:15:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 424 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I count closer to $4000; and that's without membership or other solicitation > over the period of 36 hours. I'll gladly contribute US$100. ------------------------------------------+----------------------------------- Mailed using ELM on FreeBSD | Karl Strickland PGP 2.3a Public Key Available. | Internet: karl@bagpuss.demon.co.uk | From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 19:59:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA03481 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 19:59:55 -0800 Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (root@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA03475 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 19:59:53 -0800 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id TAA15779; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 19:57:36 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 19:57:36 -0800 From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Message-Id: <199503100357.TAA15779@netcom14.netcom.com> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Count me in for $100 Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 20:04:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA03527 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 20:04:19 -0800 Received: from tiny.mcs.usu.edu (tiny.mcs.usu.edu [129.123.15.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA03521 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 20:04:17 -0800 Received: by tiny.mcs.usu.edu (8.6.8/1.34) id VAA11740; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 21:26:33 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 21:26:33 -0700 From: kurto@tiny.mcs.usu.edu (Kurt Olsen) Message-Id: <199503100426.VAA11740@tiny.mcs.usu.edu> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD Consortium (me too) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'd go $100, more if I get the time. Kurt Olsen kurto@tiny.mcs.usu.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 21:06:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA04844 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 21:06:22 -0800 Received: from hp.com (hp.com [15.255.152.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA04838 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 21:06:21 -0800 From: mcw@hpato.aus.hp.com Received: from hpautow.aus.hp.com by hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA107711970; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 21:06:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199503100506.AA107711970@hp.com> Received: by hpautow.aus.hp.com (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA26930; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:05:47 +1100 Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:05:46 EDT Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503100357.TAA15779@netcom14.netcom.com>; from "Amancio Hasty Jr" at Mar 9, 95 7:57 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14.c] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry, I lost the original details on this topic, and about the nature and the use of the contributed money, can someone please enlighten me ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 21:55:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA05945 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 21:55:34 -0800 Received: from teton.Mines.Colorado.EDU (teton.Mines.Colorado.EDU [138.67.1.21]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA05939 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 21:55:32 -0800 Received: by teton.Mines.Colorado.EDU (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19734; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:55:26 -0700 From: mbarkah@teton.Mines.Colorado.EDU (Ade Barkah) Message-Id: <9503100555.AA19734@teton.Mines.Colorado.EDU> Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:55:26 -0700 (MST) In-Reply-To: <199503100357.TAA15779@netcom14.netcom.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr" at Mar 9, 95 07:57:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 169 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk So now that we have all these pledges for dollar bills (mine, too,) what's next ? -Ade Barkah -- Head of Development Renaissance Knowledge Systems Englewood, Colorado From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 22:11:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA06103 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:11:23 -0800 Received: from SIRIUS.COM (terra.sirius.com [140.174.229.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA06066; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:10:08 -0800 Received: from slip209.sirius.com by SIRIUS.COM (NX5.67e/NX3.16M) id AA07980; Thu, 9 Mar 95 22:09:54 -0800 Message-Id: <9503100609.AA07980@SIRIUS.COM> X-Sender: rsoles@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 22:16:23 -0800 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org From: rsoles@SIRIUS.COM (Roger L Soles) Subject: PAS16 Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I had a little free time last night, so I decided to get my PAS16 working with FreeBSD Current... I edited my configuration file (GATEKEEPER) and added the following: options AUDIO_PAS options AUDIO_SB options "AUDIO_YM3812" device snd3 at isa? port 0x388 irq 12 drq 7 vector pasintr device snd2 at isa? port 0x220 irq 7 drq 1 vecotr sbintr device snd1 at isa? port 0x38a Then I attempted a compile, and got the error that "gus_write8" was not defined... After a little investigating, the modules sound_timer.c references gus_write8 (which requires gus_wave.c and gus_hw.h minimally) in order to be able to do an indirected OUT to the timer control port -- even though sound_timer.c is for both the GUS and the PAS, it's hardwired to use GUS... Looks like a problem, since even if I were to include the GUS driver (which I really don't want to do), the gus_write8 will reference the base io address of the GUS... not the PAS... Suggestions??? Also, sound.doc is adequate to get one started, but a little more documentation on install sound drivers would be a plus... and maybe a FAQ... and what about test files? //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Roger L Soles // PO Box 280785 // San Francisco, CA 94124-0785 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 22:22:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA06344 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:22:22 -0800 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA06338 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:22:18 -0800 Received: from wcs.uq.edu.au (actually juno.wcs.uq.edu.au) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP (PP); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:21:49 +1000 Received: by wcs.uq.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26597; Fri, 10 Mar 95 16:21:45 EST From: Gary Roberts Message-Id: <9503100621.AA26597@wcs.uq.edu.au> Subject: Re: SNAP or current? To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:21:44 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503100247.SAA01682@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Mar 9, 95 06:47:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 808 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > > > Which is more stable right now: the latest SNAP, or current? > > current is pretty good just now I think. >From previous comments I've seen, 2.1 is timed for April (perhaps a month from now). The last SNAP is a month old. If -current is good right now, is anyone likely to roll a new SNAP? Just curious ... (I find that the ease of the SNAP installs is a good way of dragging in a few converts who have the mistaken idea that *BSD installs are always difficult when compared with something like Linux :->.) Thanks for a great OS. I personally would have to *be* paid to go back to a commercial one now. Cheers, -- Gary Roberts (gary@wcs.uq.edu.au) (Ph +617 844 0400 Fax +617 844 0444) 4th Floor, South Bank House, 234 Grey St, South Bank QLD 4101 Australia. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 22:23:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA06364 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:23:39 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA06358 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:23:38 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA02651; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:23:20 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503100623.WAA02651@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: SNAP or current? To: gary@wcs.uq.oz.au (Gary Roberts) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:23:20 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9503100621.AA26597@wcs.uq.edu.au> from "Gary Roberts" at Mar 10, 95 04:21:44 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 418 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >From previous comments I've seen, 2.1 is timed for April (perhaps a month > from now). The last SNAP is a month old. If -current is good right now, > is anyone likely to roll a new SNAP? Just curious ... belive me, I'm trying .... -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 22:33:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA06651 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:33:09 -0800 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA06641 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:33:05 -0800 Received: from wcs.uq.edu.au (actually juno.wcs.uq.edu.au) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP (PP); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:32:18 +1000 Received: by wcs.uq.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26647; Fri, 10 Mar 95 16:32:16 EST From: Gary Roberts Message-Id: <9503100632.AA26647@wcs.uq.edu.au> Subject: Re: SNAP or current? To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:32:15 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503100623.WAA02651@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Mar 9, 95 10:23:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 441 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > > is anyone likely to roll a new SNAP? Just curious ... > belive me, I'm trying .... Great!! I've got someone who is running a lab with about 20 Linux boxes who is keen to give FreeBSD a spin. A nice stable SNAP would be perfect. Thanks muchly. Cheers, -- Gary Roberts (gary@wcs.uq.edu.au) (Ph +617 844 0400 Fax +617 844 0444) 4th Floor, South Bank House, 234 Grey St, South Bank QLD 4101 Australia. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 22:41:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA06880 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:41:02 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA06874 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:41:00 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA02032; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:40:52 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA00143; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:40:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199503100640.WAA00143@corbin.Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: corbin.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Gary Roberts cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SNAP or current? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Mar 95 16:21:44 +1000." <9503100621.AA26597@wcs.uq.edu.au> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 22:40:46 -0800 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Poul-Henning Kamp writes: >> >> > Which is more stable right now: the latest SNAP, or current? >> >> current is pretty good just now I think. > >>From previous comments I've seen, 2.1 is timed for April (perhaps a month >from now). The last SNAP is a month old. If -current is good right now, >is anyone likely to roll a new SNAP? Just curious ... It's planned - probably in a week or two...Poul's been working on it. 2.1-Alpha probably not until mid-late April at the rate we're going; 2.1-Beta and 2.1R not likely until sometime in May. These are just guesses based on the current state of brokeness and the current rate of progress. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 22:47:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA07196 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:47:22 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA07187 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:47:19 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA02045; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:47:12 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA00156; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:47:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199503100647.WAA00156@corbin.Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: corbin.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Gary Roberts cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SNAP or current? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Mar 95 16:32:15 +1000." <9503100632.AA26647@wcs.uq.edu.au> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 22:47:12 -0800 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > >> > is anyone likely to roll a new SNAP? Just curious ... >> belive me, I'm trying .... > >Great!! I've got someone who is running a lab with about 20 Linux boxes >who is keen to give FreeBSD a spin. A nice stable SNAP would be perfect. Umm, I wouldn't count on the next SNAP being too stable. I have a dozen serious bugs (panics or system hangs) on the whiteboard, and I don't expect to have more than one or two of them fixed before the next SNAP. I wish I could be more positive, but I've been working on finding some of these bugs for several weeks. They take the form of random corruption of kernel memory with nearly random data...and aren't reproducible. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 23:23:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA07938 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 23:23:27 -0800 Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (hasty@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA07932 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 23:23:26 -0800 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id XAA06607; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 23:22:10 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 23:22:10 -0800 From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Message-Id: <199503100722.XAA06607@netcom14.netcom.com> To: davidg@Root.COM, gary@wcs.uq.oz.au Subject: Re: SNAP or current? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Umm, I wouldn't count on the next SNAP being too stable. I have a dozen >serious bugs (panics or system hangs) on the whiteboard, and I don't expect Care to elaborate ? Mostly because I am not seeing any panics over here (cross my fingers) and perhaps they could be due to a driver or option configured in the kernel. Regards, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 9 23:55:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA08700 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 23:55:27 -0800 Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA08692 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 1995 23:55:25 -0800 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V4.3-10 #7297) id <01HNYRAVSY3K000F1E@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:56:22 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id JAA01671 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:01:32 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:01:31 +0100 (MET) From: Christoph Kukulies Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? (where is the original?) In-reply-to: from "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" at Mar 9, 95 01:19:36 pm To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) Reply-to: Christoph Kukulies Message-id: <199503100801.JAA01671@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-type: text Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-length: 291 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Could someone please repost the original "BSD Consortium" message? It got lost to me. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues 2.1.0-Development FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Sun Mar 5 20:47:08 1995 kuku@blues:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 00:02:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA08827 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:02:46 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA08804 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:02:25 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA02174; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:01:54 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA04134; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:01:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199503100801.AAA04134@corbin.Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: corbin.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SNAP or current? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 09 Mar 95 23:22:10 PST." <199503100722.XAA06607@netcom14.netcom.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:01:53 -0800 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Umm, I wouldn't count on the next SNAP being too stable. I have a dozen >>serious bugs (panics or system hangs) on the whiteboard, and I don't expect > >Care to elaborate ? > >Mostly because I am not seeing any panics over here (cross my fingers) and >perhaps they could be due to a driver or option configured in the kernel. Try copying a large file to a mounted msdos filesystem; it will destroy your root filesystem. Try using NQNFS; it will hang your machine. Try using an 8bit ethernet card, or a 16bit card in a slow machine w/heavy net traffic; your machine will panic. Try using bounce buffers; your machine will eventually panic in vm_bounce_alloc(). Try using your machine in a heavy load environment like freefall; it will eventually hang in a vnode lock deadlock. Try using quotas with multiple filesystems; your machine will panic. Try "ifconfig sl0 1.1.1.1; route add default 1.1.1.1; telnet 1.1.1.2"; your machine won't bother panicing, it'll just reboot because of a stack overflow. Try getting a soft error on your floppy (or try formatting one); it used to cause a panic, now it just prints out a nasty message telling us to fix the bug with biodone() being called more than once. ...and then there's the mmap() bugs that will hang your machine, etc, etc. The above is just a sample and doesn't include what I consider the most serious of the bugs - the wild pointer that randomly corrupts kernel memory. If I could reproduce that problem at will, I'd have it fixed by now. Unfortunately, it happens about 1 in 100 times I boot the machine, just after fsck finishes...or at random other times during normal system use. If you're lucky, it will just cause the machine to die. If you're unlucky like John, it will corrupt some FS buffers and destroy your superblock and root directory. Don't get to comfortable with -current...and do regular backups. :-( -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 00:16:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA09157 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:16:53 -0800 Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (hasty@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA09151 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:16:52 -0800 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id AAA11491; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:15:57 -0800 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:15:57 -0800 From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Message-Id: <199503100815.AAA11491@netcom14.netcom.com> To: davidg@Root.COM, hasty@netcom.com Subject: Re: SNAP or current? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nice list of bugs :) Cool, well guys lets see how fast we can knock them off :) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 00:52:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA10075 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:52:24 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA10068 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:52:23 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA01467; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:52:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199503100852.AAA01467@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: estienne.cs.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: davidg@Root.COM cc: Gary Roberts , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SNAP or current? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 09 Mar 1995 22:47:12 PST." <199503100647.WAA00156@corbin.Root.COM> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:52:04 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>Poul-Henning Kamp writes: >> >>> > is anyone likely to roll a new SNAP? Just curious ... >>> belive me, I'm trying .... >> >>Great!! I've got someone who is running a lab with about 20 Linux boxes >>who is keen to give FreeBSD a spin. A nice stable SNAP would be perfect. > > Umm, I wouldn't count on the next SNAP being too stable. I have a dozen >serious bugs (panics or system hangs) on the whiteboard, and I don't expect >to have more than one or two of them fixed before the next SNAP. I wish I >could be more positive, but I've been working on finding some of these bugs >for several weeks. They take the form of random corruption of kernel memory >with nearly random data...and aren't reproducible. > >-DG Can we actually install shared libraries when multi-user again? I haven't tried for a day or two. I don't think we should release a SNAP until at least a multi-user make world works again. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 00:58:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA10356 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:58:45 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA10350 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:58:42 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA02339; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:58:35 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA04511; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:58:35 -0800 Message-Id: <199503100858.AAA04511@corbin.Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: corbin.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SNAP or current? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:52:04 PST." <199503100852.AAA01467@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:58:34 -0800 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Can we actually install shared libraries when multi-user again? I haven't >tried for a day or two. I don't think we should release a SNAP until at least >a multi-user make world works again. If this fails for some reason, please send me a detailed bug report (or better yet, file it with send-pr). -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 01:10:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA10609 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 01:10:33 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA10603 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 01:10:31 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA01572; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 01:10:22 -0800 Message-Id: <199503100910.BAA01572@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: estienne.cs.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: davidg@Root.COM cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SNAP or current? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Mar 1995 00:58:34 PST." <199503100858.AAA04511@corbin.Root.COM> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 01:10:22 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>Can we actually install shared libraries when multi-user again? I haven't >>tried for a day or two. I don't think we should release a SNAP until at leas >t >>a multi-user make world works again. > > If this fails for some reason, please send me a detailed bug report (or >better yet, file it with send-pr). > >-DG Will do. I won't be home until late tomorrow, but I have a crash dump sitting there from the last time it happened. I'll try it with a fresh kernel as well. There were other reports of this on the lists, so I thought it was a well known problem... -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 01:44:11 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA11785 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 01:44:11 -0800 Received: from easynet.com (easyr.easynet.net [198.67.38.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA11774 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 01:43:50 -0800 Received: by easynet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rn14t-000rcJC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:33 WET Message-Id: From: brian@MediaCity.Com (Brian Litzinger) Subject: Cyclades driver looking for advice To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 01:33:47 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 39938 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Hackers, This driver which I original ported to BSDI 1.1 and which works under BSD/OS 2.0 just doesn't work so well under FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development. I've hacked it to fit most of the FreeBSDisms. And it works somewhat. All the ports are identified, and I can talk with them. However, after 10 to 60 seconds of interacting with some BBS. I get panic: page fault with a stack trace that looks like this: IdlePTD 1f4000 panic: page fault current pcb at 1e3e98 Reading in symbols for ../../i386/i386/machdep.c...done. (kgdb) where #0 boot (arghowto=256) (../../i386/i386/machdep.c line 754) #1 0xf01120a3 in panic (...) #2 0xf01976e2 in trap_fatal (...) #3 0xf0197254 in trap_pfault (...) #4 0xf0196f17 in trap (...) #5 0xf018d4c1 in exception:calltrap (-266445148, -272630272, 92) #6 0xf0118123 in ptcread (...) #7 0xf012be10 in spec_read (...) #8 0xf017d685 in ufsspec_read (...) #9 0xf01294ac in vn_read (...) #10 0xf011313f in sys_generic:__gnu_compiled_c (...) #11 0xf01978cb in syscall (...) I also sometimes get a 'botched clist reservation' panic, which happens in some device other than my cyb driver. I assume this means that my driver must somewhere be writing over parts of memory it isn't supposed to. Before delving into this any further I though I'd beg the indulgence of one or more of you FreeBSD experts to look over the code and point out any obvious mistakes that I may have made. I suspect that I may be trying to access something in a context that I'm not allowed to that is FreeBSD specific. Thanks, Brian Litzinger brian@easynet.com # This is a shell archive. Save it in a file, remove anything before # this line, and then unpack it by entering "sh file". Note, it may # create directories; files and directories will be owned by you and # have default permissions. # # This archive contains: # # readme.src # cyb.c # cl-cd1400.h # cyreg.h # echo x - readme.src sed 's/^X//' >readme.src << 'END-of-readme.src' XCyclades Cyclom 8Y/8Yo/16Y driver for FreeBSD 2.0 X XBy Brian E. Litzinger (more or less) X XCopyright 1995 By Brian E. Litzinger X X XThis driver may be used for educational or commericial uses Xat no cost. X XThis driver may be used commercially at no cost when used Xwith the FreeBSD Operating System. X XNo other uses are permitted. X XThis driver is provided as-is. X X-------------------------------------------------------------------- X XYou must reverse the sense of RTS and DTR in the Cyclades manual! X XThis driver reverses their usage to correctly implement full duplex Xhardware handshaking. X XWhich means, there is no DTR on the 8Y RJ12 connector. The DTR pin Xin the manual becomes RTS. DTR does exist in the 16Y and the 8Yo. X XThe following assumes the kernel stuff is under the /sys directory and Xthe paths are relative to that directory. X X[Installation directions are temporarily unavailable] X XBest of luck. X XBrian Litzinger XP.O. Box 82 (old addr still works) XBoulder Creek, CA 95006 END-of-readme.src echo x - cyb.c sed 's/^X//' >cyb.c << 'END-of-cyb.c' X/*- X * Copyright (c) 1995 By Brian E. Litzinger. All rights reserved. X * X * X */ X X/* X We'll call this share-source. X X You may use it for free for personal or educational use. X X You may use it in commercial applications for free if you X buy your Cyclades cards from: bobe@MediaCity.Com X He can sell you cyclades product for the same price that X Cyclades offers you. X X Other commercial use is prohibited. Though you can email X me with other uses you may have. X X*/ X/* X * cyclades X */ X X#include "cyb.h" X#if NCYB > 0 X/* #define CYDEBUG 1 */ X X#include X#include X#include X#include X#include X#include X#include X#include X#include X#include X#include X#include X#include "sys/devconf.h" X X#include "machine/cpufunc.h" X#include "machine/clock.h" X X#include "i386/isa/isa.h" X#include "i386/isa/isa_device.h" X#include "i386/isa/icu.h" X X#include "i386/isa/cyreg.h" X#include "i386/isa/cl-cd1400.h" X X#define POLLSLICE 100 /*ms*/ X X X#define dprintf(x) /* */ X#define UNIT(dev) (((dev)>>5)&0x03) X#define LINE(dev) ((dev)&0x1f) X X#define MAX_CHAN 16 X Xstruct tty cyb_tty[MAX_CHAN]; /* Per-channel tty structures */ X Xstruct cybsoftc { X short cy_softdtr; /* software copy of DTR */ X short cy_txint; /* TX interrupt is in progress */ X short cy_inintr; /* Interrupt in progess */ X short cy_pollactive; /* Polling active */ X caddr_t cy_addr[MAX_CHAN]; /* base i/o address */ X char cy_init[MAX_CHAN]; /* line has been inited since reset */ X char cy_cmd[MAX_CHAN]; /* command bytes per channels */ X char cy_pendesc[MAX_CHAN]; /* pending escapes */ X u_int cy_orun[MAX_CHAN]; /* overruns */ X unsigned char cy_srer[MAX_CHAN]; X caddr_t cy_base; X int cy_NbrCD1400s; X int cy_NbrPorts; X struct kern_devconf kdc; /* kernel configuration database info */ X} cybsoftc[NCYB]; X X/* X * cybmctl commands X */ Xenum cybmctl_cmds { GET, SET, BIS, BIC }; X Xint cybprobe __P((struct isa_device *)); Xint cybattach __P((struct isa_device *)); Xint cybopen __P((dev_t, int, int, struct proc *)); Xint cybclose __P((dev_t, int, int, struct proc *)); Xint cybread __P((dev_t, struct uio *, int)); Xint cybwrite __P((dev_t, struct uio *, int)); Xvoid cybintr __P((int)); Xvoid cybstart __P((struct tty *)); Xint cybioctl __P((dev_t, int, caddr_t, int, struct proc *)); Xstatic void cybchancmd __P((caddr_t, int)); Xint cybparam __P((struct tty *, struct termios *)); Xint cybselect __P((dev_t, int, struct proc *)); Xvoid cybstop __P((struct tty *, int)); Xstatic void cybcd1400init __P((int)); Xstatic int cybmctl __P((dev_t, enum cybmctl_cmds, int)); Xstatic int cybspeed __P((long, int *)); Xstatic void cybpoll(); X Xstruct isa_driver cybdriver = { cybprobe, cybattach, "cyb" }; X Xstatic struct kern_devconf kdc_tm_template = { X 0, 0, 0, /* filled in by dev_attach */ X "cyb", 0, { MDDT_ISA, 0, "tty" }, X isa_generic_externalize, 0, 0, ISA_EXTERNALLEN, X &kdc_isa0, /* parent */ X 0, /* parentdata */ X DC_UNCONFIGURED, X "Cyclades-BEL" /* description */ X}; X X Xstatic inline void Xcyb_registerdev(struct isa_device *id, const char *descr) X{ X struct kern_devconf *kdc = &cybsoftc[id->id_unit].kdc; X char *longdescr; X *kdc = kdc_tm_template; X kdc->kdc_unit = id->id_unit; X kdc->kdc_parentdata = id; X kdc->kdc_description = descr; X dev_attach(kdc); X} X X/* X * Probe routine X */ Xint Xcybprobe(struct isa_device *isa_dev) { X struct cybsoftc *sc = &cybsoftc[isa_dev->id_unit]; X X int i,j; X caddr_t b; X int flags; X int ports; X int NbrCD1400s; X unsigned char version; X X X cyb_registerdev(isa_dev,"Cyclades-BEL"); X X#define TEST_FOR_NbrCD1400s 4 X X NbrCD1400s = 0; X X b = isa_dev->id_maddr; X X (void) rinb(b,cy_RESET_16); X DELAY(500); X X for (i=0; icy_NbrCD1400s = NbrCD1400s; X return (NbrCD1400s>0); X} X X/* X * Attach routine X */ Xint Xcybattach(struct isa_device *isa_dev) { X register struct cybsoftc *sc = &cybsoftc[isa_dev->id_unit]; X register caddr_t base; X caddr_t b; X int flags; X int i,j,k; X X X sc->cy_NbrPorts = sc->cy_NbrCD1400s * 4; X printf(" ports %d",sc->cy_NbrPorts); X X X sc->cy_base = b = isa_dev->id_maddr; X X for (i=0,k=0;icy_NbrCD1400s;i++) { X base = b + i * CD1400_MEMSIZE; X routb(base, CD1400_PPR, CD1400_CLOCK_25_1MS); X for (j=0;jcy_addr[k] = base; X /* cy_channel_init */ X routb(base, CD1400_CAR, j&0x03); X cybchancmd(base,CCR_SOFTRESET); X routb(base, CD1400_LIVR, 0); X } X } X X routb(b,cy_CLEAR_INTR,0); /* Clear interrupts */ X X /* Initialize interrupt/id structures */ X X bzero(cyb_tty,sizeof(struct tty)*MAX_CHAN); X X#if 0 X strcpy(sc->cy_ttydev.tty_name, cycd.cd_name); X sc->cy_ttydev.tty_unit = sc->cy_dev.dv_unit; X sc->cy_ttydev.tty_base = sc->cy_dev.dv_unit * 16; X sc->cy_ttydev.tty_count = sc->cy_NbrPorts; X sc->cy_ttydev.tty_ttys = sc->cy_tty; X tty_attach(&sc->cy_ttydev); X#endif X sc->cy_inintr = 0; X sc->cy_pollactive = 1; X#ifdef cy_STATS X sc->cy_statclk = 1000; /* 1000ms = 1 sec */ X#endif X timeout((timeout_func_t)cybpoll,(caddr_t)sc,POLLSLICE); X printf("\n"); X return(1); X} X X/* X * Open line X */ Xint Xcybopen(dev, flag, mode, p) X dev_t dev; X int flag; X int mode; X struct proc *p; X{ X register struct tty *tp; X int s; X int error; X register caddr_t base; X int unit, chan; X struct cybsoftc *sc; X X unit = UNIT(dev); X sc = &cybsoftc[unit]; X if (sc == 0) { X dprintf(("&cybsoftc[%d]=0 error\n",unit)); X return (ENXIO); X } X X chan = LINE(dev); X if (chan >= sc->cy_NbrPorts) { X dprintf(("chan %d>NbrPorts",chan)); X return (ENXIO); X } X printf("opening unit %d, chan %d\n",unit,chan); X tp = &cyb_tty[chan]; X base = sc->cy_addr[chan]; X dprintf(("cybopen: base %lx, chan %d\n",base,chan)); X tp->t_oproc = cybstart; X tp->t_param = cybparam; X tp->t_dev = dev; X if ((tp->t_state & TS_ISOPEN) == 0) { X tp->t_state |= TS_WOPEN; X if (tp->t_ispeed == 0) { X tp->t_iflag = 0; X tp->t_oflag = 0; X tp->t_cflag = TTYDEF_CFLAG; X tp->t_lflag = 0; X tp->t_ispeed = tp->t_ospeed = TTYDEF_SPEED; X } X cybparam(tp, &tp->t_termios); X ttsetwater(tp); X } else if ((tp->t_state & TS_XCLUDE) && p->p_ucred->cr_uid != 0) X return (EBUSY); X X error = 0; X s = spltty(); X (void) cybmctl(dev, SET, TIOCM_DTR|TIOCM_RTS); X X routb(base, CD1400_CAR, chan&0x03); X if (rinb(base, CD1400_MSVR2) & MSVR2_CD) { X dprintf(("CD PRESENT\n")); X tp->t_state |= TS_CARR_ON; X } X if (!(flag & O_NONBLOCK)) { X while (!(tp->t_cflag & CLOCAL) && !(tp->t_state & TS_CARR_ON)) { X tp->t_state |= TS_WOPEN; X error = ttysleep(tp, (caddr_t)&tp->t_rawq, X TTIPRI | PCATCH, ttopen, 0); X if (error) { X /* X * Disable line and drop DTR. X * Note, this is wrong if another open might X * be in progress. X */ X#if 1 X /*cybchancmd(base, CCR_TXDIS | CCR_RXDIS);*/ X sc->cy_init[chan] = 0; X (void) cybmctl(dev, SET, 0); X#endif X break; X } X } X } X splx(s); X if (error == 0) X error = (*linesw[tp->t_line].l_open)(dev, tp); X#ifdef cy_STATS X sc->stats_ints_xmit[chan] = 0; X sc->stats_ints_recv[chan] = 0; X sc->stats_ints_mdm [chan] = 0; X#endif X return (error); X} X X/* X * Close line X */ Xint Xcybclose(dev, flag, mode, p) X dev_t dev; X int flag; X int mode; X struct proc *p; X{ X struct cybsoftc *sc = &cybsoftc[UNIT(dev)]; X int chan = LINE(dev); X register struct tty *tp = &cyb_tty[chan]; X register caddr_t base = sc->cy_addr[chan]; X int s; X X dprintf(("cybclose: chan %d\n",chan)); X X s = spltty(); X (*linesw[tp->t_line].l_close)(tp, flag); X X /* Disable line */ X routb(base, CD1400_CAR, chan&0x03); X cybchancmd(base, CCR_TXDIS | CCR_RXDIS); X sc->cy_init[chan] = 0; X routb(base, CD1400_SRER, sc->cy_srer[chan]=0); X X /* Hang up */ X if ((tp->t_cflag & HUPCL) || (tp->t_state & TS_WOPEN) || X (tp->t_state & TS_ISOPEN) == 0) X (void) cybmctl(dev, SET, 0); X X ttyclose(tp); X splx(s); X if (sc->cy_orun[chan]) { X log(LOG_ERR, "cy%d line %d: %d overruns\n", UNIT(dev), chan, X sc->cy_orun[chan]); X sc->cy_orun[chan] = 0; X } X#ifdef cy_STATS X { X int i; X printf("cy%d:%d\n\t", UNIT(dev), LINE(dev)); X for (i = 0; i < 3; i++) X printf("I%d=%x ", i, int_cnt[minor(dev)][i]); X for (i = 0; i < 2; i++) X printf("L%d=%x ", i, loops[UNIT(dev)][i]); X printf("\n"); X } X#endif X return (0); X} X X/* X * Read from line X */ Xint Xcybread(dev, uio, flag) X dev_t dev; X struct uio *uio; X int flag; X{ X struct cybsoftc *sc = &cybsoftc[UNIT(dev)]; X struct tty *tp = &cyb_tty[LINE(dev)]; X X dprintf(("cybread:\n")); X return ((*linesw[(u_char)tp->t_line].l_read)(tp, uio, flag)); X} X X/* X * Write to line X */ Xint Xcybwrite(dev, uio, flag) X dev_t dev; X struct uio *uio; X int flag; X{ X struct cybsoftc *sc = &cybsoftc[UNIT(dev)]; X struct tty *tp = &cyb_tty[LINE(dev)]; X X dprintf(("cybwrite:\n")); X return ((*linesw[(u_char)tp->t_line].l_write)(tp, uio, flag)); X} X Xint Xcybselect(dev, flag, p) X dev_t dev; X int flag; X struct proc *p; X{ X struct cybsoftc *sc = &cybsoftc[UNIT(dev)]; X X /* WARNING *** FreeBSD *** */ X return (ttselect(dev, flag, p)); X} X Xstatic void Xcybpoll(sc) X struct cybsoftc *sc; X{ X register struct tty *tp; X register caddr_t base; X register int chan; X int s; X X s = spltty(); X if (sc->cy_inintr==0) { X for (chan=0;chancy_NbrPorts;chan++) { X tp = &cyb_tty[chan]; X X if (tp->t_state&TS_BUSY /*&& (sc->cy_srer[chan]&SRER_TXD)==0*/) { X base = sc->cy_addr[chan]; X dprintf(("prodding %d\n",chan)); X routb(base, CD1400_CAR, chan&0x03); X routb(base, CD1400_SRER, sc->cy_srer[chan]=SRER_MDM|SRER_RXD|SRER_TXD); X } X } X } X#ifdef cy_STATS X sc->cy_statclk -= POLLSLICE; X if (sc->cy_statclk<=0) { X X sc->cy_statclk = 1000; /* 1000ms = 1 sec */ X } X#endif X splx(s); X if (sc->cy_pollactive) X timeout((timeout_func_t)cybpoll,(caddr_t)sc,POLLSLICE); X} X X/* X * Interrupt routine X */ Xvoid Xcybintr(int unit) X{ X struct cybsoftc *sc = &cybsoftc[0/*unit WARN *** */]; X struct tty *tp; X int b, c; X unsigned cnt; X int chan; X caddr_t base; X int cd; X int domore; X X sc->cy_inintr = 1; X dprintf(("cybintr:\n")); X more: X domore = 0; X for (cd=0;cdcy_NbrCD1400s;cd++) { X base = sc->cy_addr[cd*4]; /* WARNING */ X X dprintf(("*I%d*\n", unit)); X if (base == 0) { X printf("cy%d: bogus interrupt\n", unit); X sc->cy_inintr = 0; X } X X /* Read Board Status Register */ X dprintf(("reading from %lx\n",(unsigned long)base)); X while (b=rinb(base,CD1400_SVRR)) { X domore = 1; X /* X * Need to add some code to allow return if this card is hogging X */ X X /* Receiver interrupt */ X if (b & CD1400_SVRR_RX) { X unsigned char save_rir = rinb(base,CD1400_RIR); X int chan = cd*CD1400_NO_OF_CHANNELS + (save_rir&0x03); X unsigned char save_car = rinb(base,CD1400_CAR); X routb(base,CD1400_CAR,save_rir); X X tp = &cyb_tty[chan]; X#ifdef cy_STATS X sc->stats_ints_recv[chan]++; X#endif X X switch(rinb(base,CD1400_RIVR)&0x07) { X X case 3: X /* Get the count of received characters */ X cnt = rinb(base, CD1400_RDCR); X X /* If the line wasn't opened, throw data into bit bucket */ X if ((tp->t_state & TS_ISOPEN) == 0) { X while (cnt--) X (void) rinb(base, CD1400_RDSR); X goto rxout; X } X X while (cnt--) { X c = ((rinb(base, CD1400_RDSR))&0xff); X (*linesw[tp->t_line].l_rint)(c, tp); X } X break; X X case 7: X (void) rinb(base,CD1400_RDSR); /* Get status */ X (void) rinb(base,CD1400_RDSR); /* Get bad data */ X break; X } X X rxout: X routb(base,CD1400_RIR,save_rir&0x3f); X routb(base,CD1400_CAR,save_car); X } X X X X /* TX interrupt? */ X if (b & CD1400_SVRR_TX) { X unsigned char save_tir = rinb(base,CD1400_TIR); X int chan = cd*CD1400_NO_OF_CHANNELS + (save_tir&0x03); X unsigned char save_car = rinb(base,CD1400_CAR); X routb(base,CD1400_CAR,save_tir); X X tp = &cyb_tty[chan]; X#ifdef cy_STATS X sc->stats_ints_xmit[chan]++; X#endif X X /* (Re-)start transmit */ X if (tp->t_state & TS_FLUSH) { X tp->t_state &= ~(TS_BUSY|TS_FLUSH); X /* Disable TX interrupts */ X routb(base, CD1400_SRER, sc->cy_srer[chan]=SRER_MDM|SRER_RXD); X } else { X tp->t_state &= ~TS_BUSY; X sc->cy_txint = 1; X (*linesw[tp->t_line].l_start)(tp); X sc->cy_txint = 0; X /* If nothing to send, disable TX interrupts */ X if ((tp->t_state&TS_BUSY) == 0) X routb(base, CD1400_SRER, sc->cy_srer[chan]=SRER_MDM|SRER_RXD); X X } X routb(base, CD1400_TIR,(save_tir & 0x3f)); X routb(base, CD1400_CAR,save_car); X X } X /* goto out */ X X /* Modem Ctl interrupt? */ X if (b & CD1400_SVRR_MDM) { X unsigned char save_mir = rinb(base,CD1400_MIR); X int chan = cd * CD1400_NO_OF_CHANNELS + (save_mir & 0x3); X unsigned char save_car = rinb(base,CD1400_CAR); X routb(base,CD1400_CAR,save_mir); X X tp = &cyb_tty[chan]; X#ifdef cy_STATS X sc->stats_ints_mdm[chan]++; X#endif X X if ((rinb(base, CD1400_MISR) & MISR_CDCHG)) { X /* Get the value of CD */ X if (rinb(base,CD1400_MSVR2) & MSVR2_CD) X (void) (*linesw[tp->t_line].l_modem)(tp, 1); X else if ((*linesw[tp->t_line].l_modem)(tp, 0) == 0) X (void) cybmctl(tp->t_dev, SET, 0); X X /* WARNING: May need to clear change bits here */ X } X routb(base,CD1400_MIR,save_mir&0x3f); X routb(base,CD1400_CAR,save_car); X X } X } X } X if (domore) goto more; X sc->cy_inintr = 0; X routb(sc->cy_base, cy_CLEAR_INTR, 0); X} X X/* X * Start transmission X */ Xvoid Xcybstart(tp) X register struct tty *tp; X{ X register caddr_t base; X register c, count; X int s, chan; X register struct cybsoftc *sc; X X dprintf(("cybstart:\n")); X /* X * Check if there is work to do and we're able to do more. X */ X s = spltty(); X if (tp->t_state & TS_BUSY X || (tp->t_state & (TS_TIMEOUT|TS_TTSTOP)) X#if 0 /* *** FreeBSD WARNING *** */ X && (tp->t_state & (TS_XON_PEND|TS_XOFF_PEND)) == 0) X#endif X ) { X dprintf(("leaving early\n")); X goto out; X } X X if (tp->t_outq.c_cc <= tp->t_lowat) { X if (tp->t_state & TS_ASLEEP) { X tp->t_state &= ~TS_ASLEEP; X wakeup((caddr_t)&tp->t_outq); X } X selwakeup(&tp->t_wsel); X } X X sc = &cybsoftc[UNIT(tp->t_dev)]; X chan = LINE(tp->t_dev); /* *** WARNING *** */ X base = sc->cy_addr[chan]; X X /* X * If not in interrupt context, TDR is not available. X * Simply enable TX interrupt if there is output to be done. X */ X if (sc->cy_txint == 0) { X if (tp->t_outq.c_cc || X /*tp->t_state & (TS_XON_PEND|TS_XOFF_PEND) || freeBSD WARN *** */ X sc->cy_cmd[chan] || sc->cy_pendesc[chan]) { X tp->t_state |= TS_BUSY; X routb(base, CD1400_CAR, chan&0x03); X routb(base, CD1400_SRER, sc->cy_srer[chan]=SRER_MDM|SRER_RXD|SRER_TXD); X } X dprintf(("leaving with TXD ints enabled\n")); X goto out; X } X X /* X * Process pending commands X */ X count = CD1400_MAX_FIFO_SIZE; X if (c = sc->cy_cmd[chan]) { X sc->cy_cmd[chan] = 0; X routb(base, CD1400_TDR, CD1400_C_ESC); X routb(base, CD1400_TDR, c); X count -= 2; X } X if (sc->cy_pendesc[chan]) { X sc->cy_pendesc[chan] = 0; X routb(base, CD1400_TDR, CD1400_C_ESC); X count--; X } X X X#if 0 /* *** FreeBSD WARNING *** */ X if (tp->t_state & (TS_XON_PEND|TS_XOFF_PEND)) { X if (tp->t_state & TS_XON_PEND) { X routb(base, CD1400_TDR, tp->t_cc[VSTART]); X tp->t_state &= ~TS_XON_PEND; X } else { X routb(base, CD1400_TDR, tp->t_cc[VSTOP]); X tp->t_state &= ~TS_XOFF_PEND; X } X if (tp->t_state & (TS_TIMEOUT|TS_TTSTOP)) X count = 0; X else X count--; X } X#endif X X /* X * Run regular output queue X */ X while (tp->t_outq.c_cc && count--) { X c = getc(&tp->t_outq); X if (c == CD1400_C_ESC) { X if (count == 0) /* oops */ X sc->cy_pendesc[chan]++; X else { X routb(base, CD1400_TDR, CD1400_C_ESC); X count--; X } X } X dprintf(("txd: %c (%x)\n",(c<0x20||c>0x7e)?' ':c,c)); X routb(base, CD1400_TDR, c); X } X if (countt_outq.c_cc*/) X tp->t_state |= TS_BUSY; X Xout: X splx(s); X} X X/* X * Ioctl routine X */ Xint Xcybioctl(dev, cmd, data, flag, p) X dev_t dev; X int cmd; X caddr_t data; X int flag; X struct proc *p; X{ X register struct cybsoftc *sc = &cybsoftc[UNIT(dev)]; X register struct tty *tp = &cyb_tty[LINE(dev)]; X register int error; X int s; X X dprintf(("cybioctl:\n")); X error = (*linesw[tp->t_line].l_ioctl)(tp, cmd, data, flag, p); X if (error >= 0) X return (error); X error = ttioctl(tp, cmd, data, flag); X if (error >= 0) X return (error); X X s = spltty(); X switch (cmd) { X case TIOCSBRK: X /* Start sending BREAK */ X sc->cy_cmd[LINE(tp->t_dev)] = CD1400_C_SBRK; X cybstart(tp); X break; X X case TIOCCBRK: X /* Stop sending BREAK */ X sc->cy_cmd[LINE(tp->t_dev)] = CD1400_C_EBRK; X cybstart(tp); X break; X X case TIOCSDTR: /* set DTR */ X (void) cybmctl(dev, BIS, TIOCM_DTR); X break; X X case TIOCCDTR: /* clear DTR */ X (void) cybmctl(dev, BIC, TIOCM_DTR); X break; X X case TIOCMSET: X (void) cybmctl(dev, SET, * (int *) data); X break; X X case TIOCMBIS: X (void) cybmctl(dev, BIS, * (int *) data); X break; X X case TIOCMBIC: X (void) cybmctl(dev, BIC, * (int *) data); X break; X X case TIOCMGET: X * (int *) data = cybmctl(dev, GET, 0); X break; X X default: X splx(s); X return (ENOTTY); X } X splx(s); X return (0); X} X Xstatic int cyb_fifothresh_lo = 8; /* FIFO depth, half of FIFO, < 38.4k */ Xstatic int cyb_fifothresh_hi = 4; /* FIFO depth, >= 38.4k */ X Xstatic int cyb_doenable = 0; /* should not be needed, defeats optimization if set */ X/* X * Set parameters and enable the line X */ Xint Xcybparam(tp, t) X register struct tty *tp; X register struct termios *t; X{ X int s, chan; X register struct cybsoftc *sc; X register caddr_t base; X int iprescaler, oprescaler; X int ispeed, ospeed; X int cflag = t->c_cflag; X int iflag = t->c_iflag; X /* X c is initialized to 0, eventhough it isn't necessary, to stop X gnu gcc 2.6.2 from emitting a warning that it may be used X uninitialized. X */ X register c = 0; X X dprintf(("cybparam:\n")); X /* short-circuit the common case where there is no hardware change */ X X if (tp->t_cflag == t->c_cflag && tp->t_state&TS_ISOPEN && X tp->t_iflag == t->c_iflag && X tp->t_ispeed == t->c_ispeed && tp->t_ospeed == t->c_ospeed) X return (0); X X if ((tp->t_cflag & CLOCAL) == 0 && t->c_cflag & CLOCAL) X wakeup((caddr_t) &tp->t_rawq); X X tp->t_ispeed = t->c_ispeed; X tp->t_ospeed = t->c_ospeed; X tp->t_cflag = t->c_cflag; X tp->t_iflag = t->c_iflag; X X /* Select line */ X sc = &cybsoftc[UNIT(tp->t_dev)]; X chan = LINE(tp->t_dev); X base = sc->cy_addr[chan]; X s = spltty(); X routb(base, CD1400_CAR, chan&0x03); X X /* ospeed == 0 is for HANGUP */ X if (tp->t_ospeed == 0) { X (void) cybmctl(tp->t_dev, SET, 0); X cybchancmd(base, CCR_TXDIS | CCR_RXDIS); X sc->cy_init[chan] = 0; X splx(s); X return (0); X } X X if ((ospeed = cybspeed(t->c_ospeed, &oprescaler)) < 0) { X splx(s); X return(EINVAL); X } X routb(base,CD1400_TBPR,ospeed); X routb(base,CD1400_TCOR,oprescaler); X X if ((ispeed = cybspeed(t->c_ispeed, &iprescaler)) < 0) { X splx(s); X return(EINVAL); X } X routb(base,CD1400_RBPR,ispeed); X routb(base,CD1400_RCOR,iprescaler); X X /* Load COR1 */ X switch (tp->t_cflag & CSIZE) { X case CS5: X c = COR1_5BITS; X break; X case CS6: X c = COR1_6BITS; X break; X case CS7: X c = COR1_7BITS; X break; X case CS8: X c = COR1_8BITS; X break; X } X#if 0 X printf("%s ",tp->t_cflag & CSTOPB ? "CSTOPB":"!CSTOPB"); X printf("%s ",tp->t_cflag & PARENB ? "PARENB":"!PARENB"); X printf("%s ",tp->t_cflag & PARODD ? "PARODD":"!PARODD"); X printf("%s ",tp->t_cflag & PARODD ? "PARODD":"!PARODD"); X#endif X if (tp->t_cflag & CSTOPB) X c |= COR1_2SB; X if (tp->t_cflag & PARENB) { X c |= COR1_NORMPAR; X if (tp->t_cflag & PARODD) X c |= COR1_ODDP; X#if 0 X if ((tp->t_iflag & INPCK) == 0) X c |= COR1_IGNORE; X#endif X } else X c |= COR1_IGNORE; X routb(base, CD1400_COR1, c); X dprintf(("cor1=%x\n",c)); X X /* Load COR2 */ X c = COR2_ETC; X if (tp->t_cflag & CCTS_OFLOW) X c |= COR2_CTSAE; X#ifdef wrong X /* X * COR2_RTSAO enables traditional RTS (high when there is something X * to transmit), not RTR (high when ready to receive). X */ X if (tp->t_cflag & CRTS_IFLOW) X c |= COR2_RTSAO; X#endif X X /* there should be some logic to enable on-chip Xon/Xoff flow ctl */ X routb(base, CD1400_COR2, c); X dprintf(("cor2=%x\n",c)); X X /* Load COR3 */ X if (tp->t_ispeed >= 38400) X routb(base, CD1400_COR3, cyb_fifothresh_hi); /* FIFO depth */ X else X routb(base, CD1400_COR3, cyb_fifothresh_lo); /* FIFO depth */ X /* set the Receive Timeout Period to 20ms */ X routb(base, CD1400_RTPR, 20); X X /* Inform CD1400 engine about new values in COR registers */ X cybchancmd(base, CCR_CORCHG1 | CCR_CORCHG2 | CCR_CORCHG3); X DELAY(500); X X /* Load COR4 */ X c = 0; X if (iflag&IGNCR) X c |= COR4_IGNCR; X if (iflag&IGNBRK) X c |= COR4_IGNBRK; X if (!(iflag&BRKINT)) X c |= COR4_NBRKINT; X if (iflag&IGNPAR) X c |= COR4_PFODISC; X else { X if (iflag&PARMRK) X c |= COR4_PFOMARK; X else X c |= COR4_PFONULL; X } X routb(base,CD1400_COR4,c); X dprintf(("cor4=%x\n",c)); X X /* Load COR5 */ X c = 0; X if (iflag&ISTRIP) X c |= COR5_ISTRIP; X if (t->c_iflag&IEXTEN) X c |= COR5_IEXTEN; X routb(base,CD1400_COR5,c); X dprintf(("cor5=%x\n",c)); X X X c = 0; X if (tp->t_cflag & CRTS_IFLOW) X c |= 8; X routb(base, CD1400_MCOR1, MCOR1_CDZD|6); /* WARNING */ X X dprintf(("cybparam:1\n")); X if (sc->cy_init[chan] == 0 || cyb_doenable) { X sc->cy_init[chan] = 1; X /* Load modem control parameters */ X routb(base, CD1400_MCOR2, MCOR2_CDOD); X X /* Finally enable transmitter and receiver */ X cybchancmd(base, CCR_TXEN | CCR_RXEN); X routb(base, CD1400_SRER, sc->cy_srer[chan]=SRER_MDM|SRER_RXD); /* WARNING */ X dprintf(("cybparam:2\n")); X } X splx(s); X dprintf(("cybparam:d\n")); X return (0); X} X X/* X * Write a command to the Channel Command Register, X * making sure it is not busy before writing the command. X * The channel must already have been selected. X */ Xstatic void Xcybchancmd(base, cmd) X caddr_t base; X int cmd; X{ X int i; X X for (i = 0; i < 100; i++) { X if (rinb(base, CD1400_CCR) == 0) X goto ready; X DELAY(100); X } X printf("cy: ccr not ready\n"); Xready: X routb(base, CD1400_CCR, cmd); X} X X/* X * Stop output on a line X */ X/*ARGSUSED*/ Xvoid Xcybstop(tp, flag) X register struct tty *tp; X int flag; X{ X int s; X X s = spltty(); X if (tp->t_state & TS_BUSY) { X if ((tp->t_state & TS_TTSTOP) == 0) X tp->t_state |= TS_FLUSH; X } X splx(s); X} X X/* X * Modem control routine. X */ Xstatic int Xcybmctl(dev, cmd, bits) X dev_t dev; X enum cybmctl_cmds cmd; X int bits; X{ X register struct cybsoftc *sc = &cybsoftc[UNIT(dev)]; X register line = LINE(dev); X register caddr_t base = sc->cy_addr[line]; X register msvr; X X dprintf(("cybmctl%x: cmd=%d bits=%x base=%lx\n", X minor(dev), cmd, bits, (unsigned long)base)); X X routb(base, CD1400_CAR, line&0x03); X X switch (cmd) { X case GET: X msvr = rinb(base, CD1400_MSVR2); X bits = TIOCM_LE; X if (msvr & MSVR2_DTR) X bits |= TIOCM_DTR; X if (msvr & MSVR2_CTS) X bits |= TIOCM_CTS; X if (msvr & MSVR2_DSR) X bits |= TIOCM_DSR; X if (msvr & MSVR2_CD) X bits |= TIOCM_CAR; X if (msvr & MSVR2_RI) X bits |= TIOCM_RI; X msvr = rinb(base, CD1400_MSVR1); X if (msvr & MSVR1_RTS) X bits |= TIOCM_RTS; X return (bits); X X case SET: X if (bits&TIOCM_DTR) { X sc->cy_softdtr |= 1 << line; X routb(base, CD1400_MSVR1,MSVR1_RTS); X } else { X sc->cy_softdtr &= ~(1 << line); X routb(base, CD1400_MSVR1,0x00); /* lower RTS */ X } X break; X X case BIS: X#if 0 X if (bits & TIOCM_RTS) X routb(base, CD1400_MSVR2, MSVR2_RTS); X#endif X if (bits & TIOCM_DTR) { X sc->cy_softdtr |= 1 << line; X routb(base, CD1400_MSVR1,MSVR1_RTS); X } X X break; X X case BIC: X#if 0 X if (bits & TIOCM_RTS) X routb(base, CD1400_MSVR, 0); X#endif X if (bits & TIOCM_DTR) { X sc->cy_softdtr &= ~(1 << line); X routb(base, CD1400_MSVR1,0x00); /* lower RTS */ X } X break; X } X X /* Enable/disable receiver on open/close */ X if (cmd == SET) { X routb(base, CD1400_CAR, line&0x03); X if (bits == 0) { X cybchancmd(base, CCR_RXDIS); X } else { X cybchancmd(base, CCR_RXEN); X } X } X return (0); X} X Xstatic int Xcybspeed(speed, prescaler_io) X long speed; X int *prescaler_io; X{ X int actual; X int error; X int divider; X int prescaler; X int prescaler_unit; X X if (speed == 0) X return 0; X X if (speed < 0 || speed > 150000) X return -1; X X /* determine which prescaler to use */ X for (prescaler_unit = 4, prescaler = 2048; prescaler_unit; X prescaler_unit--, prescaler >>= 2) { X if (CYCLOM_CLOCK/prescaler/speed > 63) X break; X } X X divider = (CYCLOM_CLOCK/prescaler*2/speed + 1)/2; /* round off */ X if (divider > 255) X divider = 255; X actual = CYCLOM_CLOCK/prescaler/divider; X error = ((actual-speed)*2000/speed +1)/2; /* percentage */ X X /* 3.0% max error tolerance */ X if (error < -30 || error > 30) X return -1; X X#if 0 X printf("speed = %ld\n",speed); X printf("prescaler = %d (%d)\n", prescaler, prescaler_unit); X printf("divider = %d (%x)\n", divider, divider); X printf("actual = %d\n", actual); X printf("error = %d\n", error); X#endif X X *prescaler_io = prescaler_unit; X return divider; X} X#endif /* NCYB > 0 */ END-of-cyb.c echo x - cl-cd1400.h sed 's/^X//' >cl-cd1400.h << 'END-of-cl-cd1400.h' X/*- X * Copyright (c) 1994 By Brian E. Litzinger, All rights reserved. X * Copyright (c) 1992 Berkeley Software Design, Inc. All rights reserved. X * The Berkeley Software Design Inc. software License Agreement specifies X * the terms and conditions for redistribution. X * X */ X X/* X * Definitions for Cirrus Logic CL-CD1400 4-port async mux chip X */ X X#define CD1400_NCHAN 4 /* Total number of channels */ X#define CD1400_TPC 16 /* Ticks per character */ X X/* X * Global Registers X */ X#define CD1400_GFRCR 2*0x40 /* global firmware revision code */ X#define CD1400_CAR 2*0x68 /* channel access */ X#define CD1400_GCR 2*0x4b /* global config */ X#define CD1400_SVRR 2*0x67 /* service request */ X#define CD1400_RICR 2*0x44 /* receive intr channel */ X#define CD1400_TICR 2*0x45 /* transmit intr channel */ X#define CD1400_MICR 2*0x46 /* modem intr channel */ X#define CD1400_RIR 2*0x6B /* receive interrupt status */ X#define CD1400_TIR 2*0x6A /* transmit interrupt status */ X#define CD1400_MIR 2*0x69 /* modem interrupt status */ X#define CD1400_PPR 2*0x7e X X/* X Virtual Registers X*/ X#define CD1400_RIVR 2*0x43 /* receive intr vector */ X#define CD1400_TIVR 2*0x42 /* transmit intr vector */ X#define CD1400_MIVR 2*0x41 /* modem intr vector */ X#define CD1400_LIVR 2*0x18 /* local intr vector */ X#define CD1400_TDR 2*0x63 /* tx data */ X#define CD1400_RDSR 2*0x62 /* rx data/status */ X#define CD1400_MISR 2*0x4c /* modem intr status */ X#define CD1400_EOSRR 2*0x60 /* end of service request */ X X X X/* X * Channel Registers X */ X#define CD1400_LIVR 2*0x18 /* local intr vector */ X#define CD1400_CCR 2*0x05 /* channel control */ X#define CD1400_SRER 2*0x06 /* service request enable */ X#define CD1400_COR1 2*0x08 /* channel option 1 */ X#define CD1400_COR2 2*0x09 /* channel option 2 */ X#define CD1400_COR3 2*0x0A /* channel option 3 */ X#define CD1400_COR4 2*0x1E /* channel option 4 */ X#define CD1400_COR5 2*0x1F /* channel option 5 */ X#define CD1400_CCSR 2*0x0b /* channel control status */ X#define CD1400_RDCR 2*0x0e /* rx data count */ X#define CD1400_SCHR1 2*0x1A /* special character 1 */ X#define CD1400_SCHR2 2*0x1B /* special character 2 */ X#define CD1400_SCHR3 2*0x1C /* special character 3 */ X#define CD1400_SCHR4 2*0x1D /* special character 4 */ X#define CD1400_SCRL 2*0x22 /* special char range, low */ X#define CD1400_SCRH 2*0x23 /* special char range, high */ X#define CD1400_LNC 2*0x24 /* LNext character */ X#define CD1400_MCOR1 2*0x15 /* modem change 1 */ X#define CD1400_MCOR2 2*0x16 /* modem change 2 */ X#define CD1400_RTPR 2*0x21 /* receive timeout period */ X#define CD1400_MSVR1 2*0x6c /* modem signals */ X#define CD1400_MSVR2 2*0x6d /* modem signals */ X X#define CD1400_RBPR 2*0x78 /* receive baud rate period */ X#define CD1400_RCOR 2*0x7C /* receive clock option */ X#define CD1400_TBPR 2*0x72 /* transmit baud rate period */ X#define CD1400_TCOR 2*0x76 /* transmit clock option */ X X/* X * Channel Address Register X */ X#define CAR_CHAN 0x7 /* Channel Number Mask */ X X/* X * Channel Command Register X * (commands in groups can be OR-ed) X */ X#define CCR_HARDRESET 0x81 /* Reset the chip */ X X#define CCR_SOFTRESET 0x80 /* Soft Channel Reset */ X X#define CCR_CORCHG1 0x42 /* Channel Option Register 1 Changed */ X#define CCR_CORCHG2 0x44 /* Channel Option Register 2 Changed */ X#define CCR_CORCHG3 0x48 /* Channel Option Register 3 Changed */ X X#define CCR_SSCH1 0x21 /* Send Special Character 1 */ X X#define CCR_SSCH2 0x22 /* Send Special Character 2 */ X X#define CCR_SSCH3 0x23 /* Send Special Character 3 */ X X#define CCR_SSCH4 0x24 /* Send Special Character 4 */ X X#define CCR_TXEN 0x18 /* Enable Transmitter */ X#define CCR_RXEN 0x12 /* Enable Receiver */ X X#define CCR_TXDIS 0x14 /* Diasable Transmitter */ X#define CCR_RXDIS 0x11 /* Diasable Receiver */ X X/* X * Channel Option Register 1 X */ X#define COR1_ODDP 0x80 /* Odd Parity */ X#define COR1_PARMODE 0x60 /* Parity Mode mask */ X#define COR1_NOPAR 0x0 /* No Parity */ X#define COR1_FORCEPAR 0x20 /* Force Parity */ X#define COR1_NORMPAR 0x40 /* Normal Parity */ X#define COR1_IGNORE 0x10 /* Ignore Parity on RX */ X#define COR1_STOPBITS 0xc /* Number of Stop Bits */ X#define COR1_1SB 0x0 /* 1 Stop Bit */ X#define COR1_15SB 0x4 /* 1.5 Stop Bits */ X#define COR1_2SB 0x8 /* 2 Stop Bits */ X#define COR1_CHARLEN 0x3 /* Character Length */ X#define COR1_5BITS 0x0 /* 5 bits */ X#define COR1_6BITS 0x1 /* 6 bits */ X#define COR1_7BITS 0x2 /* 7 bits */ X#define COR1_8BITS 0x3 /* 8 bits */ X X/* X * Channel Option Register 2 X */ X#define COR2_IXM 0x80 /* Implied XON mode */ X#define COR2_TXIBE 0x40 /* Enable In-Band (XON/XOFF) Flow Control */ X#define COR2_ETC 0x20 /* Embedded Tx Commands Enable */ X#define COR2_LLM 0x10 /* Local Loopback Mode */ X#define COR2_RLM 0x8 /* Remote Loopback Mode */ X#define COR2_RTSAO 0x4 /* RTS Automatic Output Enable */ X#define COR2_CTSAE 0x2 /* CTS Automatic Enable */ X#define COR2_DSRAE 0x1 /* DSR Automatic Enable */ X X/* X * Channel Option Register 3 X */ X#define COR3_XONCH 0x80 /* XON is a pair of characters (spec. 1&3) */ X#define COR3_XOFFCH 0x40 /* XOFF is a pair of characters (2&4) */ X#define COR3_FCT 0x20 /* Flow-Control Transparency Mode */ X#define COR3_SCDE 0x10 /* Special Character Detection Enable */ X#define COR3_RXTH 0xf /* RX FIFO Threshold value (1-12) */ X X/* X Channel Option Register 4 X*/ X#define COR4_IGNCR 0x80 X#define COR4_ICRNL 0x40 X#define COR4_INLCR 0x20 X#define COR4_IGNBRK 0x10 X#define COR4_NBRKINT 0x08 X#define COR4_PFOEXCP 0x00 X#define COR4_PFOGOOD 0x01 X#define COR4_PFODISC 0x02 X#define COR4_PFONULL 0x03 X#define COR4_PFOMARK 0x04 X X/* X Channel Option Register 5 X*/ X X#define COR5_ISTRIP 0x80 X#define COR5_IEXTEN 0x40 X#define COR5_ONLCR 0x02 X#define COR5_OCRNL 0x01 X X/* X * Modem Change Option Register 1 X */ X#define MCOR1_DSRZD 0x80 /* Detect 0->1 transition of DSR */ X#define MCOR1_CTSZD 0x40 /* Detect 0->1 transition of CTS */ X#define MCOR1_RIZD 0x20 /* Detect 0->1 transition of RI */ X#define MCOR1_CDZD 0x10 /* Detect 0->1 transition of CD */ X#define MCOR1_DTRTH 0xf /* Automatic DTR flow control Threshold (1-12)*/ X#define MCOR1_NODTRFC 0x0 /* Automatic DTR flow control disabled */ X X/* X * Modem Change Option Register 2 X */ X#define MCOR2_DSROD 0x80 /* Detect 1->0 transition of DSR */ X#define MCOR2_CTSOD 0x40 /* Detect 1->0 transition of CTS */ X#define MCOR2_RIOD 0x20 /* Detect 1->0 transition of RI */ X#define MCOR2_CDOD 0x10 /* Detect 1->0 transition of CD */ X X/* X * Modem Signal Value Registers X */ X#define MSVR2_DSR 0x80 /* Current state of DSR input */ X#define MSVR2_CTS 0x40 /* Current state of CTS input */ X#define MSVR2_RI 0x20 /* Current state of RI input */ X#define MSVR2_CD 0x10 /* Current state of CD input */ X#define MSVR2_DTR 0x02 /* Current state of DTR output */ X X#define MSVR1_RTS 0x01 /* Current state of RTS output */ X X/* X * Escape characters X */ X#define CD1400_C_ESC 0x0 /* Escape character */ X#define CD1400_C_SBRK 0x81 /* Start sending BREAK */ X#define CD1400_C_DELAY 0x82 /* Delay output */ X#define CD1400_C_EBRK 0x83 /* Stop sending BREAK */ X X#define MISR_CDCHG 0x10 X X X#define CD1400_SVRR_RX 0x01 X#define CD1400_SVRR_TX 0x02 X#define CD1400_SVRR_MDM 0x04 X X#define SRER_MDM 0x80 X#define SRER_RXD 0x10 X#define SRER_TXD 0x04 X#define SRER_NNDT 0x01 END-of-cl-cd1400.h echo x - cyreg.h sed 's/^X//' >cyreg.h << 'END-of-cyreg.h' X/*- X * Copyright (c) 1994 By Brian E. Litzinger, All rights reserved. X * Copyright (c) 1992 Berkeley Software Design, Inc. All rights reserved. X * The Berkeley Software Design Inc. software License Agreement specifies X * the terms and conditions for redistribution. X * X */ X X/* X * Definitions for Cyclades 8Y and 16Y Cyclom cards. X */ X X X/* X * Address mapping between Cirrus Logic CD1400 chip internal registers X * and ISA port addresses: X * X */ X#define CY_ADDR(reg) (reg) X X/* Input Byte from CL CD1400 register */ X#define rinb(base, reg) (*((base)+CY_ADDR(reg))) X X/* Output Byte to CL CD1400 register */ X#define routb(base, reg, val) (*((base)+CY_ADDR(reg))=val) X X#define CY_NPORT 16 /* decoder recognizes 16 addresses... */ X X#define CD1400_MEMSIZE 0x400 X#define cy_RESET_16 0x1400 /* cyclom-16y reset */ X#define cy_CLEAR_INTR 0x1800 /* intr ack address */ X#define CYCLOM_CLOCK 25000000 /* baud rate clock */ X#define CD1400_CLOCK_25_1MS 0x31 X#define CD1400_NO_OF_CHANNELS 4 X#define CD1400_MAX_FIFO_SIZE 12 X X END-of-cyreg.h exit From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 02:07:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA12469 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 02:07:36 -0800 Received: from vmbb.cts.com (vmbb.cts.com [192.188.72.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA12460 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 02:07:33 -0800 Received: from io.cts.com by vmbb.cts.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0rn1bO-0000elC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 02:07 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by io.cts.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA00919; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 01:57:48 -0800 From: Morgan Davis Message-Id: <199503100957.BAA00919@io.cts.com> Subject: Re: SNAP or current? To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 01:57:48 -0800 (PST) Cc: hasty@netcom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503100801.AAA04134@corbin.Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Mar 10, 95 00:01:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 673 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Greenman writes: > > Try copying a large file to a mounted msdos filesystem; it will destroy > your root filesystem. > Try using NQNFS; it will hang your machine. > Try using an 8bit ethernet card, or a 16bit card in a slow machine w/heavy > net traffic; your machine will panic. > Try ... > Try ... > Try ... >...etc. At which point in time did you see all these problems start occuring? I just grabbed -current (previoustime was about Feb 10). I'm wondering if these are problems you've had for a long time or ones that have recently plagued your system. (This'll determine whether or not I'll build and install the 3/10 -current and kernel). From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 02:33:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA13238 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 02:33:20 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA13232 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 02:33:17 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA02496; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 02:33:09 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id CAA00166; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 02:33:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199503101033.CAA00166@corbin.Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: corbin.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Morgan Davis cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SNAP or current? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Mar 95 01:57:48 PST." <199503100957.BAA00919@io.cts.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 02:33:08 -0800 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >David Greenman writes: >> >> Try copying a large file to a mounted msdos filesystem; it will destroy >> your root filesystem. >> Try using NQNFS; it will hang your machine. >> Try using an 8bit ethernet card, or a 16bit card in a slow machine w/heavy >> net traffic; your machine will panic. >> Try ... >> Try ... >> Try ... >>...etc. > >At which point in time did you see all these problems start occuring? >I just grabbed -current (previoustime was about Feb 10). I'm >wondering if these are problems you've had for a long time or ones >that have recently plagued your system. (This'll determine whether or >not I'll build and install the 3/10 -current and kernel). Both. Some of them have been around since 2.0, and some of them were noticed in just the last few weeks. I think the number of recently introduced bugs (recent = last month) is very small and old bugs are still being found. I would estimate -current to be more stable than 2.0 but not as stable as 1.1.5. I think there is at least a full month of work to do before even considering 2.1-alpha...and another month before 2.1R is ready (we're not going to do a 2 week alpha-to-release this time). -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 03:53:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA14056 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 03:53:35 -0800 Received: from gatekeeper.us.oracle.com (gatekeeper.us.oracle.com [192.216.243.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA14050 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 03:53:34 -0800 Received: from iesun1.ie.oracle.com by gatekeeper.us.oracle.com with SMTP (8.6.7/37.7) id DAA20225; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 03:53:25 -0800 Received: by iesun1.ie.oracle.com (4.1/37.3.TJL.1.84) id AA22759; Fri, 10 Mar 95 11:53:53 GMT Message-Id: <9503101153.AA22759@iesun1.ie.oracle.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 11:53:53 GMT From: "Henry Chung " To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? Original-To: IEUNIX:freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In-Reply-To: IEUNIX:owner-freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com's message of 03-09-95 17:34 I'm willing to put an IRP 100.00 to be a charter member. Regards, -- Henry Hyen-Vui Chung ================================================================================ ICL Product Line Developer | Oracle Corporation European Porting Centre e-mail: hchung@ie.oracle.com | Maretimo Court, Temple Road Tel : 353 1 2834700 ext 220 | Blackrock, Co. Dublin Fax : 353 1 2834732 | Republic of Ireland | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 05:05:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA14896 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 05:05:37 -0800 Received: from tic.inria.fr (tic.inria.fr [138.96.24.101]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA14890 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 05:05:35 -0800 Received: by tic.inria.fr (8.6.10/8.6.10) id OAA02418; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:05:19 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:05:19 +0100 From: "J.-P. Giacometti" Message-Id: <199503101305.OAA02418@tic.inria.fr> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: info about D-Link PCMCIA Ethernet credit card model DE-650 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Does anybody know how to contact into D-Link Corporation? I am trying to install bsd on a Texas Inst. laptop TravelMate 4000M. I have at hand a `D-Link PCMCIA Ethernet credit card model DE-650' instead of the IBM PCMCIA Ethernet card supported by 2.0. It seems the ze driver could be easily extended if I had a knowledge of the memory mapping, particularly the offset to read the ethernet address. Any pointer wellcome, thanks. Jean-Patrick --- http://www.inria.fr/rodeo/jpg From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 05:56:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA15403 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 05:56:32 -0800 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.atinc.com [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA15397 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 05:56:29 -0800 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id IAA17214; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:48:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:48:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: "Henry Chung " cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9503101153.AA22759@iesun1.ie.oracle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk put me in for $100, maybe more. charter membership sounds cool, have to create a 'certificate suitable for framing' ;)) keep us informed about tax-exempt status. a non-profit or not-for-profit organization would have such an air of dignity, authority and moral high ground that we HAVE to keep the daemon logo to prevent sudden ego inflation ;)) jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 06:13:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA15569 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 06:13:14 -0800 Received: from glueserv1.umd.edu (glueserv1.umd.edu [129.2.70.69]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA15563 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 06:13:13 -0800 Received: from mocha.eng.umd.edu (mocha.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.16]) by glueserv1.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA15513 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:13:06 -0500 Received: (chuckr@localhost) by mocha.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id JAA12070; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:13:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:13:05 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD Consortium In-Reply-To: <199503100426.VAA11740@tiny.mcs.usu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been waiting for some organized reuest, like a list maybe, to be set up, so we can register. It should be obvious by now a great number of us would like to join. Me too ($100). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 7608 Topton St. | New Carrollton, MD 20784 | I run Journey2 (Freebsd 2.0) and n3lxx (301) 459-2316 | (FreeBSD 1.1.5.1) and am I happy! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 06:45:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA15802 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 06:45:25 -0800 Received: from minnow.render.com (render.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.118]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA15796 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 06:45:21 -0800 Received: (from dfr@localhost) by minnow.render.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA00314; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:21:08 GMT Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:21:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Brian Litzinger cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Cyclades driver looking for advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 10 Mar 1995, Brian Litzinger wrote: > Hi Hackers, > > This driver which I original ported to BSDI 1.1 and which works under > BSD/OS 2.0 just doesn't work so well under FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development. > > I've hacked it to fit most of the FreeBSDisms. And it works somewhat. > > All the ports are identified, and I can talk with them. However, after > 10 to 60 seconds of interacting with some BBS. I get > > panic: page fault > > with a stack trace that looks like this: > [snip] > > I also sometimes get a 'botched clist reservation' panic, which happens > in some device other than my cyb driver. > > I assume this means that my driver must somewhere be writing over > parts of memory it isn't supposed to. Is the interrupt for your driver being included in the tty_imask variable (interrupt mask to exclude interrupts from ttylike devices)? This should happen automatically if you include 'tty' in your config line. If not, then you could be corrupting data structures used by other ttylike devices (clists for instance). > [snip] -- Doug Rabson, RenderMorphics Ltd. Mail: dfr@render.com Phone: +44 171 251 4411 FAX: +44 171 251 0939 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 07:46:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA17147 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 07:46:51 -0800 Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA17140 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 07:46:45 -0800 Received: from news.cs.utexas.edu by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyglz28005; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:46:28 -0500 Received: from mail.cs.utexas.edu (root@mail.cs.utexas.edu [128.83.139.10]) by news.cs.utexas.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA16822 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:46:35 -0600 Received: from uudell.us.dell.com (uudell.us.dell.com [143.166.224.6]) by mail.cs.utexas.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA28917 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:46:34 -0600 Received: from obiwan by uudell.us.dell.com (5.67/dns1.3) with UUCP id AA12096; Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:42:50 GMT Received: by obiwan.uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0rn6pu-0002zyC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 09:42 CST Message-Id: From: obiwan!bob@uudell.us.dell.com (Bob Willcox) Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (freebsd-hackers) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:42:42 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 446 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > put me in for $100, maybe more. charter membership sounds cool, > have to create a 'certificate suitable for framing' ;)) I too, would be willing to go $100 or more. -- Bob Willcox ...!{rutgers|ames}!cs.utexas.edu!uudell!obiwan!bob Austin, TX or: @uudell.us.dell.com:obiwan!bob 512-258-4224 (home), 512-838-3914 (work) or: obiwan%bob@uunet.uu.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 08:13:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA17428 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:13:34 -0800 Received: from sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu [130.245.1.47]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA17422 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:13:33 -0800 Received: from starkhome.UUCP (root@localhost) by sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id LAA24721 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:13:34 -0500 Received: by starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu (8.6.10/1.34) id LAA10243; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:12:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:12:55 -0500 From: starkhome!gene@sbstark.cs.sunysb.edu (Gene Stark) Message-Id: <199503101612.LAA10243@starkhome.cs.sunysb.edu> To: Morgan Davis CC: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Morgan Davis's message of Fri, 10 Mar 1995 01:57:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: SNAP or current? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >At which point in time did you see all these problems start occuring? >I just grabbed -current (previoustime was about Feb 10). I'm >wondering if these are problems you've had for a long time or ones >that have recently plagued your system. (This'll determine whether or >not I'll build and install the 3/10 -current and kernel). I have a source tree from Jan 31 which is very stable. I have had uptimes of over 30 days with a kernel from that one. A kernel I made on Feb 17 also seemed to be reasonable, thought I thing the "gdb crash" problem is in that one. Apparently serious problems were introduced mostly during mid-to late February. Or, the problems that were already there were unmasked by other changes. - Gene From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 08:55:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA18031 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:55:13 -0800 Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA18019 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:54:42 -0800 Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.10/1.53) id RAA16233; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:50:59 +0100 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199503101650.RAA16233@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQHUbKEI=?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOCsbKEIgGyRCOC0bKEI=?=) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:50:58 +0100 (MET) Cc: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com, terry@cs.weber.edu, ugen@netvision.net.il, joeg@interaccess.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503100134.RAA02370@forgery.CS.Berkeley.EDU> from "Satoshi Asami/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQHUbKEI=?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOCsbKEIgGyRCOC0bKEI=?=" at Mar 9, 95 05:34:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 203 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Me too! I'd put up $100 or so if that will make me the charter member > of the ``BSD Consortium''.... :) > Yep. Me too. I'll donate Fl 200,- (which is more than $100 at this moment ;-)) -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 09:30:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA19003 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:30:10 -0800 Received: from gallium.csusb.edu (gallium.csusb.edu [139.182.6.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA18996 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:30:09 -0800 Received: by gallium.csusb.edu (5.4.1/140.2) id AA11675; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:29:15 -0800 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:29:15 -0800 From: karant@gallium.csusb.edu (Dr. Yasha Karant) Message-Id: <9503101729.AA11675@gallium.csusb.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: BSD Consortium and extra-consortium funding Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Folks, For some time I have been toying with the following idea. In fact, I proposed this to one of the FreeBSD organization honchos, who rejected it for reasons which seem primarily political and social; however, it might be worthy of consideration by a larger audience. The various consortia out there which accomplish useful work (including X, FibreChannel, and others) [and the name of the organization is not always "consortium" -- other titles are also in use, but the effective structure is always the same] are generally based on a mix of private and public (read Federal grant/contract) money, with one or more universities involved. These "Industry/University/Government" consortia are encouraged by Federal agenda (both Clinton and Congress, in slightly different forms). I can outline the details of several approaches for implementation if there is interest, along with realistic funding goals. The resulting work can by GPL'd, FreeBSD'd, copylefted, or whatever distribution covenants (or lack thereof) we mutually desire, although *if* we port from / develop to proprietary applications and/or devices, *some* restrictions will probably have to be applied to the resulting source/binaries. I have contacts with industry and have a reasonable track record of success with external funding. As a university base, I can provide disk storage and Internet access, along with the usual plethora of student workers (much of the actual coding in the "professional" consortia is done by students at the various academic institutions involved). A consortia would annouce FreeBSD (or whatever we decide to call the OS and its APIs to avoid any infringements, difficulties, etc.) as a "real" entity to be given serious consideration, and would allow us to develop a real support team. We would *not* be competing with the proprietary implementations (Novell UNIX SVR4, OSF/1 DEC ALPHA, etc.) for those customers who wanted proprietary cradle-to-grave full service, but would be providing an innovative *production* *stable* test bed (as was done with the original UC CSRG BSD). Yasha Karant karant@gallium.csusb.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 10:50:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA21616 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:50:56 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA21604 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:50:50 -0800 From: MarloweN@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA199791408; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 13:50:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 13:50:08 -0500 Message-Id: <950310131531_45386880@aol.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD Installatation - Not Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am having a problem at boot time during the install process for FreeBSD 2.0 Rel #2 dated 11/22/1994 that is on a Walnut Creek CD. Environment: I have just added a second hard drive. The first contains one primary active DOS partition which is full of Windows and apps. The second drive includes first the FreeBSD partition followed by one DOS extended partition. (When I go into Fdisk to set up the BSD area, the DOS partition does not appear anywhere on the Disklabel screen. Is that significant?) The FreeBSD install has loaded the boot code onto the second drive, wd1. I can select that drive at the boot record prompt. At the FreeBSD 'Boot:' prompt, I provide ''wd(1,a)/kernel'' and it loads from the hard drive, not the floppy. Following are the drive-related kernel messages: From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 11:35:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA22737 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:35:08 -0800 Received: from devnull.mpd.tandem.com (devnull.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.4.29]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA22731 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:35:05 -0800 Received: from olympus by devnull.mpd.tandem.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id NAA29780; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 13:34:30 -0600 Received: by olympus (4.1/TSS2.1) id AA18394; Fri, 10 Mar 95 13:32:59 CST From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Message-Id: <9503101932.AA18394@olympus> Subject: Re: Repair floppies - what should we have? (fwd) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 13:32:58 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503092137.WAA08446@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Mar 9, 95 10:37:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 793 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > As Peter da Silva wrote: > > > > > How about "ed"? That's small and brain dead, heh. > > > > I can't disagree more. Ed was the finest line-oriented text editor ever > > devised. > > ``ed is _the_ Unix editor.'' :-) > > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) > Is elvis small enough? I remember back when the floppies for 2.0 were being discussed and everyone said "Oh, nvi is way too large!" I wondered if elvis had "left the building"? Boyd -- _______________________________________________________________________ Boyd Faulkner faulkner@isd.tandem.com _______________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 13:29:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA24529 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 13:29:00 -0800 Received: from phoenix.net (gclarkii@phoenix.phoenix.net [199.3.232.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA24522 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 13:28:56 -0800 Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by phoenix.net (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA10137 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 15:26:31 -0600 From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199503102126.PAA10137@ phoenix.net> Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 15:26:31 -0500 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 75 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I also would be willing to put in $200-$500 for membership. Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 15:13:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA26089 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 15:13:56 -0800 Received: from hutcs.cs.hut.fi (root@hutcs.cs.hut.fi [130.233.192.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA26083 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 15:13:49 -0800 Received: from shadows.cs.hut.fi by hutcs.cs.hut.fi with SMTP id AA01496 (5.65c8/HUTCS-S 1.4 for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 01:13:11 +0200 From: Heikki Suonsivu Received: (hsu@localhost) by shadows.cs.hut.fi (8.6.10/8.6.10) id BAA17747; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 01:13:12 +0200 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 01:13:12 +0200 Message-Id: <199503102313.BAA17747@shadows.cs.hut.fi> To: Christoph Kukulies Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies's message of 10 Mar 1995 10:13:19 +0200 Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? (where is the original?) Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Otaniemi, Finland Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Could someone please repost the original "BSD Consortium" message? It got lost to me. The thread started from this one: > From hsu@cs.hut.fi Sat Mar 11 00:27:05 1995 > Path: elvis.clinet.fi!elvis.clinet.fi!not-for-mail > From: Heikki Suonsivu > Newsgroups: clinet.list.freebsd-hackers > Subject: New Cyclades Driver needs Major Device #? > Date: 8 Mar 1995 16:36:19 +0200 > Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Otaniemi, Finland > Lines: 36 > Sender: news@elvis.clinet.fi > Approved: freebsd-hackers@clinet.fi > Message-ID: <199503081338.PAA04840@shadows.cs.hut.fi> > NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.clinet.fi > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > In-reply-to: brian@MediaCity.com's message of 8 Mar 1995 08:18:44 +0200 > To: brian@MediaCity.com (Brian Litzinger) > Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com > X-Envelope-to: freebsd-hackers@clinet.FI > Precedence: bulk ... discussion about major numbers for Cyclades driver > p.s.s. while I'm here anyway, why are netBSD and FreeBSD different efforts? > > Well, there are several possible reasons: > > - Linux people's secret plan to make sure *BSD won't ever be successfull. > > - USL's secret plan to make sure free operating systems won't ever be > successfull. > > - BSDI's secret plan to make sure free BSD versions won't ever be > successfull. > > - Free operating system authors have got too much ego. > > I'll promise to donate $100 of my own, and, say $400 of my company money to > BSD (or Free operating system) Consortium if one will ever be set up to get > rid of this mess. > > -- > Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND, > hsu@cs.hut.fi home +358-0-8031121 work -4513377 fax -4555276 riippu SN Some of the replies have only ended up into my mailbox. None of them contains a sum less than $100. I don't strongly oppose there to be different efforts, just that they coordinate the interfaces and the base Berkeley source code heritage instead of disintegrating them. A consortium dedicated to do this coordination a'la X would seem to be a workable concept (I guess everything else has already been tried). -- Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND, hsu@cs.hut.fi home +358-0-8031121 work -4513377 fax -4555276 riippu SN From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 16:06:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA26812 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:06:13 -0800 Received: from anvil.appsmiths.com (appsmiths.sccsi.com [198.65.134.98]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA26806 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:06:11 -0800 Received: (from hoppy@localhost) by anvil.appsmiths.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id SAA29687 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 18:05:39 -0600 From: "Clay D. Hopperdietzel" Message-Id: <199503110005.SAA29687@anvil.appsmiths.com> Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 18:05:38 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 86 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk :: :: I also would be willing to put in $200-$500 for membership. ditto for me. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 16:24:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA26987 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:24:23 -0800 Received: from glueserv1.umd.edu (glueserv1.umd.edu [129.2.70.69]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA26981 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:24:21 -0800 Received: from espresso.eng.umd.edu (espresso.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.13]) by glueserv1.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id TAA17023 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:24:12 -0500 Received: (chuckr@localhost) by espresso.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id TAA28419; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:24:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:24:10 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Unix Review, March 1995 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just bought this month's Unix Review, and on page 85 is an article on BSD Unixes. This is a followup to an article they ran on Linux. Mainly, this article give background info, gives our name, and describes the BSDI product. There is a promise that they'll describe FreeBSD and NetBSD in next month's column (entitled "The Internet Notebook", by Richard Morin of Prime Time Freeware [rdm@cfcl.com]). Seems like it'd be a good idea to make some effort to have a particularly stable snapshot available to coincide with with the publication of this article. Maybe even that poster.....does Walnut Creek ever advertise in that mag? Somebody who knows more about marketing than I should be made aware of this....Jordan? ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 7608 Topton St. | New Carrollton, MD 20784 | I run Journey2 (Freebsd 2.0) and n3lxx (301) 459-2316 | (FreeBSD 1.1.5.1) and am I happy! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 16:32:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA27043 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:32:17 -0800 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA27036 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:32:16 -0800 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA27931; Sat, 11 Mar 95 00:32:03 GMT Received: by junco.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA23727; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:31:50 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:31:50 -0700 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9503110031.AA23727@junco.fsl.noaa.gov> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503102126.PAA10137@ phoenix.net> (message from Gary Clark II on Fri, 10 Mar 1995 15:26:31 -0500 (CST)) Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Apparently, we all think very much of our chosen operating system---much more than a lot of us paid for it! My wife's authorized $100, so sign me up. --k From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 16:39:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA27107 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:39:30 -0800 Received: from is1.hk.super.net (jbeukema@is1.hk.super.net [202.14.67.232]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA27101 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:39:27 -0800 Received: by is1.hk.super.net id AA09070 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 08:38:56 +0800 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 08:38:55 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: "Henry Chung " , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 10 Mar 1995, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > put me in for $100, maybe more. charter membership sounds cool, > have to create a 'certificate suitable for framing' ;)) > > keep us informed about tax-exempt status. a non-profit or > not-for-profit organization would have such an air of dignity, authority > and moral high ground that we HAVE to keep the daemon logo to prevent > sudden ego inflation ;)) > > jmb > > Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. > | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy > play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 > ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 > > Put me down for $100, maybe more. I will volunteer to work on the charter, statement of aims and setup of the tax exempt organization. (Qualifications -- US trained corporate lawyer, having practiced in Chicago, Paris, Washington and Hong KOng.) I would suggest a new list be created for this subject so as not to distract the serious hacking and debugging efforts required. | John Beukema | Winthrop & Jeffro Ltd. | | 14/F Somerset House | Manufacturing Systems | | Taikoo Place, 979 King's Road | Tel (852) 2963 7352 | | Quarry Bay | Fax (852) 2963 7353 | | Hong Kong | jbeukema@HK.Super.NET | From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 16:53:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA27353 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:53:12 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA27347 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:53:03 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id QAA02875; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:52:43 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199503110052.QAA02875@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Unix Review, March 1995 To: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:52:42 -0800 (PST) Cc: FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at Mar 10, 95 07:24:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1096 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I just bought this month's Unix Review, and on page 85 is an article on > BSD Unixes. This is a followup to an article they ran on Linux. Mainly, > this article give background info, gives our name, and describes the BSDI > product. There is a promise that they'll describe FreeBSD and NetBSD in > next month's column (entitled "The Internet Notebook", by Richard Morin > of Prime Time Freeware [rdm@cfcl.com]). > > Seems like it'd be a good idea to make some effort to have a particularly > stable snapshot available to coincide with with the publication of this > article. Maybe even that poster.....does Walnut Creek ever advertise in > that mag? Somebody who knows more about marketing than I should be made > aware of this....Jordan? I already have the ``April'' issue with the article on FreeBSD and NetBSD, we are too late, but Jordan please please please get info@freebsd.org fixed, it is in the article!!! > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 16:58:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA27392 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:58:24 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA27386 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:58:23 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA10244; Sat, 4 Mar 95 14:07:50 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9503042107.AA10244@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: backspace broken in ctm 0420? To: smace@metal-mail.neosoft.com (Scott Mace) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 95 14:07:49 MST Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503040545.WAA00206@metal.ops.neosoft.com> from "Scott Mace" at Mar 3, 95 10:45:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I just built a kernel with sources from ctm cvs-cur.0420 and it appears > that backspace = del = 0x7f . Shouldn't backspace be 0x08 not 0x7f? Only on computer terminals which are used for editing. I hope to eventully narrow it down to the '0' and '1' keys being the only ones that generate unique keycodes, but I sill have yet to see a clear proposal from anyone regarding bit-stuffing the input stream so we can find character boundries and/or determine end of line. The thing I don't like is that the characters still come out lower case when I turn off caps lock. Making all characters come out the same case regardless of modifier keys is the next logical step in reducing the set of keycodes a newbie must memorize. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 16:58:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA27400 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:58:42 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA27394 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:58:39 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA06641; Thu, 9 Mar 95 10:32:23 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9503091732.AA06641@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: A deal on hard Quantum hard drives To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 10:32:22 MST Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503090047.QAA29258@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Mar 8, 95 04:47:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Quantum Grand Prix 4301 > 4.30GB formatted capacity > Quantum Atlas XP32150 > 2.15GB formatted capacity Forgot to ask. What are the form factor and power requirements of these things? Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 17:47:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA29012 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:47:25 -0800 Received: from Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Xenon.Stanford.EDU [36.28.0.25]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA29005 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:47:23 -0800 Received: by Xenon.Stanford.EDU (5.61+IDA/25-Xenon-eef) id AA28596; Fri, 10 Mar 95 17:47:13 -0800 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:47:11 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Lee To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD Consortium? In-Reply-To: <199503102126.PAA10137@ phoenix.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Assuming my company gets off the ground in the next few months, I would be willing to contribute $100 or more. Anyone know of anyone who needs web designers? ;-) Cheers, Terry _____________________ I n D i G o Terry Lee _____________________ Technical Director i n t e r n e t 745 Stanford Avenue _____________________ Palo Alto, California 94306 d e s i g n 415 424 0747 _____________________ terryl@cs.stanford.edu g r o u p http://www.mall.net/terry _____________________ http://www.mall.net Professional World Wide Web Consultants From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 19:12:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA03047 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:12:51 -0800 Received: from nietzsche (annex1s20.urc.tue.nl [131.155.12.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA03033 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:12:43 -0800 Received: from nietzsche (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA19697 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 04:14:08 +0100 Message-Id: <199503110314.EAA19697@nietzsche> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: matcd driver Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 04:14:07 +0100 From: "wmbfmk@urc.tue.nl" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have just succeeded in getting the matcd driver from current to work with my (still somewhat 2.0 ALPHA) system, but now I was trying to play an audio cd. >From what I understand it should be possible, but I can get neither xcd nor xcdplayer to work. Could someone enlighten me? Marc. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 19:29:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA03760 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:29:46 -0800 Received: from werple.mira.net.au (root@werple.mira.net.au [203.9.190.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA03747 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:29:34 -0800 Received: from woody.apana.org.au (ernie@[203.3.127.241]) by werple.mira.net.au (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA10508 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:29:03 +1100 Received: (from ernie@localhost) by woody.apana.org.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) id OAA15456 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:28:58 +1100 From: Ernie Elu Message-Id: <199503110328.OAA15456@woody.apana.org.au> Subject: Future Domain 1680 driver To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:28:57 +1100 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 415 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there available a driver for the Future Domainn 1680 SCSI controller? Didn't seem to be one in the current SNAP and I was wondering if someone was working on one. - Ernie. _______________________________________________________________________________ Australian Public Access Network Association - ernie@woody.apana.org.au _______________________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 22:44:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA13794 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 22:44:45 -0800 Received: from SIRIUS.COM (terra.sirius.com [140.174.229.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA13777 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 22:44:42 -0800 Received: from slip174.sirius.com by SIRIUS.COM (NX5.67e/NX3.16M) id AA08782; Fri, 10 Mar 95 22:44:24 -0800 Message-Id: <9503110644.AA08782@SIRIUS.COM> X-Sender: rsoles@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 22:50:53 -0800 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org From: rsoles@SIRIUS.COM (Roger L Soles) Subject: PPP Script Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here are some modest improvements to the FreeBSD ppp scripts -- they require kermit, and they should make it much simpler to maintain multiple provider configurations, multiple modem configurations, or first time setups... Here are the files attached in ASCII, seperated by: >>> FILE: >>> FILE: ppp0.faq ***NOTE*** Do not include 'AT' in any of the command below, it is provided by the scripts. ppp0.modem contains five lines; the first is a line providing information about your modem manufacturer (used by Kermit's modem command), the second is the command to initialize your modem, the third is the command to hang up the line (when in command mode); the fourth is the command to place it into auto-answer mode; the fifth is the command to reset it ppp0.password contains two lines; the first is the prompt your system send when desiring you to enter your password, the second is your password ppp0.phonenumber contains a single line which contains all the dialing information to reach your provider ppp0.port contains the device name (include /dev) of to which your modem is connected ppp0.speed contains the speed to initiazlize your modem port to ppp0.username contains two lines; the first is the prompt your system sends when desiring you to login, the second is your login id pppserv start ppp server pppservdown stops ppp server ppptest tests if ppp is running pppup starts ppp client pppdown stops ppp client kermit.ans kermit modem answer script (used by pppserv) kermit.dial kermit modem dialing script (used by pppup) kermit.hup kermit modem hang up script kermit.inc kermit modem script, included by others >>> FILE: ppp0.modem hayes AT &F1 H0 S0=1 Z >>> FILE: ppp0.password Password: password >>> FILE: ppp0.phonenumber DT555.5555 >>> FILE: ppp0.port /dev/tty01 >>> FILE: ppp0.speed 57600 >>> FILE: ppp0.username Please login: user >>> FILE: pppserv #!/bin/sh ps ax |grep pppd |grep -v grep pid=`ps ax |grep pppd |grep -v grep|awk '{print $1;}'` if [ "X${pid}" != "X" ] ; then echo 'killing pppd, PID=' ${pid} kill ${pid} fi ps ax |grep kermit |grep -v grep pid=`ps ax |grep kermit |grep -v grep|awk '{print $1;}'` if [ "X${pid}" != "X" ] ; then echo 'killing kermit, PID=' ${pid} kill -9 ${pid} fi # reset ppp interface /sbin/ifconfig ppp0 down /sbin/ifconfig ppp0 delete # enable autoanswer mode kermit -y /etc/ppp/kermit.ans # run ppp /usr/sbin/pppd `cat /etc/ppp/ppp0.port` `cat /etc/ppp/ppp0.speed` >>> FILE: pppservdown #!/bin/sh ps ax |grep pppd |grep -v grep pid=`ps ax |grep pppd |grep -v grep|awk '{print $1;}'` if [ "X${pid}" != "X" ] ; then echo 'killing pppd, PID=' ${pid} kill ${pid} fi ps ax |grep kermit |grep -v grep pid=`ps ax |grep kermit |grep -v grep|awk '{print $1;}'` if [ "X${pid}" != "X" ] ; then echo 'killing kermit, PID=' ${pid} kill -9 ${pid} fi /sbin/ifconfig ppp0 down /sbin/ifconfig ppp0 delete kermit -y /etc/ppp/kermit.noans >>> FILE: ppptest #!/bin/sh pid=`ps ax| grep pppd |grep -v grep|awk '{print $1;}'` if [ "X${pid}" != "X" ] ; then echo 'pppd running: PID=' ${pid-NONE} else echo 'No pppd running.' fi set -x /usr/bin/netstat -n -I ppp0 /sbin/ifconfig ppp0 >>> FILE: pppup #!/bin/sh ps ax |grep pppd |grep -v grep pid=`ps ax |grep pppd |grep -v grep|awk '{print $1;}'` if [ "X${pid}" != "X" ] ; then echo 'killing pppd, PID=' ${pid} kill ${pid} fi ps ax |grep kermit |grep -v grep pid=`ps ax |grep kermit |grep -v grep|awk '{print $1;}'` if [ "X${pid}" != "X" ] ; then echo 'killing kermit, PID=' ${pid} kill -9 ${pid} fi /sbin/ifconfig ppp0 down /sbin/ifconfig ppp0 delete kermit -y /etc/ppp/kermit.dial echo echo 'Starting ppp daemon' /usr/sbin/pppd `cat /etc/ppp/ppp0.port` `cat /etc/ppp/ppp0.speed` >>> FILE: kermit.ans take /etc/ppp/kermit.inc pau 1 out +++ inp 5 OK out \%a\%h\13 inp 5 OK echo \13 out \%a\%s\13 inp 5 OK echo \13 exit >>> FILE: kermit.dial take /etc/ppp/kermit.inc def \%x 0 ; login prompt counter goto slhup :slcmd ; put the modem in command mode echo Put the modem in command mode. clear ; Clear unread characters from input buffer pause 1 output +++ ; hayes escape sequence input 1 {OK\13\10} ; wait for OK if success goto slhup output \13 pause 1 output \%a\13 input 1 {OK\13\10} if fail goto slcmd ; if modem doesn't answer OK, try again :slhup ; hang up the phone clear ; Clear unread characters from input buffer pause 1 echo Hanging up the phone. output \%a\%h\13 ; hayes command for on hook input 2 {OK\13\10} if fail goto slcmd ; if no OK answer, put modem in command mode :sldial ; dial the number pause 1 echo Dialing. output \%a\%i\13 input 1 {OK\13\10} output \%a\%n\13\10 clear assign \%x 0 ; zero the time counter :look increment \%x ; Count the seconds input 1 {CONNECT } if success goto sllogin reinput 1 {NO CARRIER\13\10} if success goto sldial reinput 1 {NO DIALTONE\13\10} if success goto slnodial reinput 1 {\255} if success goto slhup reinput 1 {\127} if success goto slhup if < \%x 60 goto look else goto slhup :sllogin ; login input 1 {\13\10} clear pause 1 assign \%x 0 ; zero the time counter echo echo Looking for login prompt. :slloop increment \%x ; Count the seconds clear ; Clear unread characters from input buffer output \13 ; ; put your expected login prompt here: ; input 1 {\%l} if success goto sluid reinput 1 {\255} if success goto slhup reinput 1 {\127} if success goto slhup if < \%x 10 goto slloop ; try 10 times to get a login prompt else goto slhup ; hang up and start again if 10 failures :sluid output \%u\13 input 1 {\%c} output \%p\13 echo input 1 {beginning....} echo quit :slnodial echo \7No dialtone. Check the telephone line!\7 exit 1 ; local variables: ; mode: csh ; comment-start: "; " ; comment-start-skip: "; " ; end: >>> FILE: kermit.hup take /etc/ppp/kermit.inc echo Sending Hangup Command out \13 clear out \%a\%h\13 inp 5 OK\13\10 if success goto done :attention echo Sending Attention String pau 1 clear out +++ inp 5 OK\13\10 if fail goto attention echo Sending Hangup Command clear out \%a\%h\13 echo \13 :done exit >>> FILE: kermit.inc ; ; read port ; open read /etc/ppp/ppp0.port read %r close read-file set line \%r ; ; read speed ; open read /etc/ppp/ppp0.speed read %r close read-file set speed \%r ; ; read modem type ; open read /etc/ppp/ppp0.modem read %r set modem \%r read %a read %i read %h read %s read %r close read-file ; ; read phone number ; open read /etc/ppp/ppp0.phonenumber read %n close read-file ; ; read prompt & user name ; open read /etc/ppp/ppp0.username read %l read %u close read-file ; ; read prompt & password ; open read /etc/ppp/ppp0.password read %c read %p close read-file set file type binary ; full 8 bit file xfer set file names literal set win 8 set rec pack 1024 set send pack 1024 set block 3 set term bytesize 8 set command bytesize 8 set flow none set dial hangup off set carrier auto ; Then SET CARRIER if necessary, set dial display on ; Then SET DIAL if necessary, set input echo on set input timeout proceed set input case ignore //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Roger L Soles // PO Box 280785 // San Francisco, CA 94124-0785 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 22:44:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA13798 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 22:44:45 -0800 Received: from SIRIUS.COM (terra.sirius.com [140.174.229.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA13786; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 22:44:44 -0800 Received: from slip174.sirius.com by SIRIUS.COM (NX5.67e/NX3.16M) id AA08786; Fri, 10 Mar 95 22:44:30 -0800 Message-Id: <9503110644.AA08786@SIRIUS.COM> X-Sender: rsoles@pop.sirius.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 22:50:59 -0800 To: current@FreeBSD.org From: rsoles@SIRIUS.COM (Roger L Soles) Subject: Current PPP (3/8/95 SUP) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've noted some interesting things with the PPP I built a few days ago: 1) If the line sits idle for a few moments, it get a reboot of the machine -- but only if PPP is running. Otherwise the machine stays up just fine. 2) If I use a 16550A(N) (Real national part), the PPP deamon will not start, but on a 16450 (or a knock off 16550 that identifies as a 16450) it works just fine... Anyone else seeing either of these? A PPP built with the 2.0 release didn't exhibit this, and several other built with earlier SUPs did (haven't built anything since the last SNAP, so I can't say exactly when it might have started). Anyone got an (extra) clue... ;) - Roger //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Roger L Soles // PO Box 280785 // San Francisco, CA 94124-0785 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 10 23:44:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA17649 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 23:44:25 -0800 Received: from easynet.com (easyr.easynet.net [198.67.38.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA17639 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 23:44:23 -0800 Received: by easynet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rnLh5-000rcJC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 23:34 WET Message-Id: From: brian@MediaCity.Com (Brian Litzinger) Subject: New Cyclades driver issues and status To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 23:34:35 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 886 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to all who responded to my panic problems with my port of my Cyclades driver from BSDI to FreeBSD. Doug Rabson hit the nail on the head. Thanks Doug! The panics are now all gone, and the driver is working well. I'm doing some stress testing now and trying things like PPP. Now I have a couple of issues that need resolving: 1. FreeBSD seems to have bidir support in the device driver rather than at the application level. Is this the official policy? I.E. using /dev/cua and /dev/ttyd? 2. What is sio_tty used for in /sys/i386/conf.c? I hacked my code to handle cyb_tty in the same way, but on my own this is not the way I would normally handle this structure. I would have put it in cysoftb myself. Thanks for all your help. Whats next? MPEG Hardware decoder and HighSpeed Sync Controller (up to 4Mbits per second) Brian Litzinger brian@easynet.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 00:03:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA18882 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 00:03:38 -0800 Received: from easynet.com (easyr.easynet.net [198.67.38.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA18872 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 00:03:37 -0800 Received: by easynet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0rnLzi-000rcEC; Fri, 10 Mar 95 23:53 WET Message-Id: From: brian@MediaCity.Com (Brian Litzinger) Subject: Is the source the reference? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 23:53:49 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 568 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Where does policy come from? Is the source the reference, is there some policy somewhere, or something to refer to determine the most right solution to a problem? Or do I just ask "hackers"? For example, I'm in need of a millsecond or microsecond delay function for a device driver. Does DELAY() do what I expect? Some of the drivers seem to use other strategies for achieveing this affect. Also, I'm in need if a 'do { } while (!done && !timeout)'. Is there a recommended way to implement this in device drivers. Thanks, Brian Litzinger brian@easynet.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 00:17:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA19291 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 00:17:51 -0800 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA19285 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 00:17:49 -0800 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA04162; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 00:17:37 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA00172; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 00:17:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199503110817.AAA00172@corbin.Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: corbin.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: brian@mediacity.com (Brian Litzinger) cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Is the source the reference? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Mar 95 23:53:49 PST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 00:17:36 -0800 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Does DELAY() do what I expect? Some of the drivers seem to >use other strategies for achieveing this affect. It can provide an accurate delay at startup time (during probes and things), but generally should not be used at later times as it just eats the CPU. It is also only accurate for delays greater than about 10us. For very short delays, there is a convention for using inb(0x84) to provide about 1.25us delay. This mechanism is being phased out, however, as some newer machines execute these much faster. >Also, I'm in need if a 'do { } while (!done && !timeout)'. Is there >a recommended way to implement this in device drivers. The usual way is just to decrement a variable to implement the timeout, and calibrate the variable value to the desired delay. Any other mechanism is probably too high of overhead to consider. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 01:08:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA22508 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 01:08:06 -0800 Received: from vmbb.cts.com (vmbb.cts.com [192.188.72.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA22494 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 01:08:04 -0800 Received: from io.cts.com by vmbb.cts.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0rnN9K-0000yXC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 01:07 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by io.cts.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA07546 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 00:58:50 -0800 From: Morgan Davis Message-Id: <199503110858.AAA07546@io.cts.com> Subject: Warnings on kernel build (sound stuff) To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 00:58:49 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1469 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, I decided to risk it and build the 3/10 -current. I compared my previous kernel config file (IO) to the latest LINT and pieced together all the new stuff appropriate for this machine. In compiling the kernel, I'm seeing a lot of warnings related to sound stuff: cc -c -O -W -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -nostdinc -I. -I../.. -I../../sys -I../../../include -DIO -DI486_CPU -DEXCLUDE_GUS_IODETECT -DAUDIO_SB -DAUDIO_PAS -DMAXCONS=4 -DXSERVER -DDUMMY_NOPS -DAUTO_EOI_2 -DAUTO_EOI_1 -DSCSIUSER -DPROCFS -DMSDOSFS -DCD9660 -DNFS -DFFS -DIPACCT -DGATEWAY -DINET -DUCONSOLE -DSYSVMSG -DSYSVSEM -DSYSVSHM -DCOMPAT_43 -DKERNEL -Di386 -DLOAD_ADDRESS=0xF0100000 ../../i386/isa/sound/uart6850.c In file included from ../../i386/isa/sound/os.h:51, from ../../i386/isa/sound/sound_config.h:270, from ../../i386/isa/sound/uart6850.c:32: ../../sys/proc.h:275: warning: type mismatch with previous external decl ../../vm/vm_object.h:155: warning: previous external decl of `wakeup' ../../sys/proc.h:275: warning: type mismatch with previous implicit declaration ../../vm/vm_object.h:155: warning: previous implicit declaration of `wakeup' ../../sys/proc.h:275: warning: `wakeup' was previously implicitly declared to return `int' It this due to a bad set of sound options I've selected, or is this just currently just the state it's in. I've got a Pro AudioSpectrum 16D rev 255 in the system with a Media Vision CD-ROM drive. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 01:26:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id BAA23980 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 01:26:14 -0800 Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (hasty@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA23974 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 01:26:11 -0800 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.10/Netcom) id BAA00849; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 01:25:05 -0800 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 01:25:05 -0800 From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Message-Id: <199503110925.BAA00849@netcom14.netcom.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, root@io.cts.com Subject: Re: Warnings on kernel build (sound stuff) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Not sure if the problem is with current or not. My old version of the sound driver compiles cleanly and I had to tweak a little the sound driver include files. Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 03:01:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA00893 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 03:01:27 -0800 Received: from ldjpc.apana.org.au (ldjpc.apana.org.au [192.203.213.254]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA00830 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 03:00:26 -0800 Received: (from jj@localhost) by ldjpc (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA00239; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 23:20:25 +0930 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 23:20:25 +0930 (CST) From: Lucas James To: David Greenman cc: Amancio Hasty Jr , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SNAP or current? In-Reply-To: <199503100801.AAA04134@corbin.Root.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 10 Mar 1995, David Greenman wrote: > >> Umm, I wouldn't count on the next SNAP being too stable. I have a dozen > >>serious bugs (panics or system hangs) on the whiteboard, and I don't expect > >Care to elaborate ? > >Mostly because I am not seeing any panics over here (cross my fingers) and > >perhaps they could be due to a driver or option configured in the kernel. > The above is just a sample and doesn't include what I consider the most > serious of the bugs - the wild pointer that randomly corrupts kernel memory. > If I could reproduce that problem at will, I'd have it fixed by now. > Unfortunately, it happens about 1 in 100 times I boot the machine, just after > fsck finishes...or at random other times during normal system use. If you're > lucky, it will just cause the machine to die. If you're unlucky like John, it > will corrupt some FS buffers and destroy your superblock and root directory. Ah... so that's what happened on Tues... (It deleted the directory /sbin (and left a lot of unrefed files.... :( I've been trying to get my machine back up and running ever since :( > Don't get to comfortable with -current...and do regular backups. :-( What's a backup? <*grin*> Lucas James jj@ldjpc.apana.org.au From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 08:13:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA10282 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 08:13:02 -0800 Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA10276 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 08:12:59 -0800 Received: from ast.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQygps20854; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 11:12:32 -0500 Received: from trsvax.fw.ast.com (fw.ast.com) by ast.com with SMTP id AA22529 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for uunet!freebsd.org!hackers); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 08:16:31 -0800 Received: by trsvax.fw.ast.com (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.1) id ; Sat, 11 Mar 95 10:10 CST Received: by nemesis.lonestar.org (Smail3.1.27.1 #18) id m0rnTYG-0004vuC; Sat, 11 Mar 95 09:58 CST Message-Id: Date: Sat, 11 Mar 95 09:58 CST To: hackers@FreeBSD.org From: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org (Frank Durda IV) Reply-To: uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com Sent: Sat Mar 11 1995, 09:57:56 CST Subject: re: matcd driver - audio does work Cc: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [0]From: "wmbfmk@urc.tue.nl" [0]Hi, [0] [0]I have just succeeded in getting the matcd driver from current to work [0]with my (still [0]somewhat 2.0 ALPHA) system, but now I was trying to play an audio cd. [0] [0]>From what I understand it should be possible, but I can get neither [0]xcd nor xcdplayer to work. The problem is that all the audio-related ioctls aren't written yet. I wrote the driver and the FreeBSD powers really wanted it in 2.1 (which was planned for March) so I focused on getting the non-audio stuff done first. The remaining ioctls and the man page are on the way. By the way, you can play audio all day long using the program "cdplayer". I had four or five CD-players all playing audio at the same time during tests. It sounded like a scene from Star Trek TNG where Data is listening to several compositions all at once. I can now recommend some of the stranger combinations of music to play together. FYI, The driver will support 16 drives. Note that cdplayer (what I used and got off the net) isn't an X program but I don't think that has anything to do with it. Apparently the two programs you mentioned are using some of the ioctls that aren't done yet, such as the one to play discs in mono or determine if a track is in XA format. Cdplayer is pretty stupid and doesn't get upset if an ioctl isn't available. It just goes on to the next. I am adding these ioctls daily and hope to be done shortly. But, I have been trying to get some information on exactly what some of the missing ioctls are supposed to do as there is no documentation and there are mistakes in the existing cdio.h include file. I have several feelers out for assistance on this, so hopefully someone will reply. Please write to me direct regarding the symptoms you are encountering in xcd / xcdplayer and perhaps this will help me out. Oh yes, use uhclem%nemesis@fw.ast.com or your mail will take weeks to get here (stupid domain mail server!). This address takes maybe an hour. Frank Durda IV |"The Knights who say "LETNi" or uhclem%nemesis@trsvax.ast.com (Internet)| demand... A WORKING PENTIUM!!! ...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem |"A what?" ...decvax!trsvax.fw.ast.com!nemesis!uhclem |"LETNi! LETNi! LETNi!" - 1983 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 08:51:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA10767 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 08:51:22 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA10759 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 08:51:15 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id CAA04332; Sun, 12 Mar 1995 02:50:24 +1000 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 02:50:24 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199503111650.CAA04332@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: brian@MediaCity.Com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New Cyclades driver issues and status Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >1. FreeBSD seems to have bidir support in the device driver > rather than at the application level. Is this the official > policy? I.E. using /dev/cua and /dev/ttyd? It's currently an optional device driver feature. >2. What is sio_tty used for in /sys/i386/conf.c? I hacked my It was part of the interface to ttselect() inherited from 4.4lite. This interface no longer exists in FreeBSD. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 15:39:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA01337 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:39:06 -0800 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA01330 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:39:05 -0800 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA03579; Sat, 11 Mar 95 16:32:55 MST From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9503112332.AA03579@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: New Cyclades driver issues and status To: brian@MediaCity.Com (Brian Litzinger) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 95 16:32:54 MST Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Litzinger" at Mar 10, 95 11:34:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > 1. FreeBSD seems to have bidir support in the device driver > rather than at the application level. Is this the official > policy? I.E. using /dev/cua and /dev/ttyd? It's traditional BSD. It avoids the lockfile issue for the getty program. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 16:15:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA01684 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:15:31 -0800 Received: from linux4nn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA01678 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:15:29 -0800 Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA00731 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 1995 01:23:00 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA00603 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 01:13:43 +0200 Received: by iafnl.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA18129 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 23:11:28 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA00159 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:38:52 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199503112138.WAA00159@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: configuring 2 Ultrastore U24F cards in 1 system To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers list) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:38:52 +1596657 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 619 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Has anybody ever tried to use 2 (or more) Ultrastore U24F EISA scsi cards in one system? If so, how does the kernel config file look like? I have 2 of these boards, and it looks like the driver doesnot correctly probe the cards. It finds the first card twice(..). ioconf.c as generated by config looks OK to me Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 17:02:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA02044 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 17:02:00 -0800 Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA02035 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 17:01:54 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA13628; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 18:03:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199503120103.SAA13628@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Cc: moto@cs.cmu.edu Subject: Re: kernel traps when restore In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 11 Mar 1995 18:27:33 EST." <11439.794964453@GS81.SP.CS.CMU.EDU> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 18:03:21 -0700 From: Steve Passe Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hello, this originated in "questions", am posting to hackers as it seems more appropriate: > When I try to to use 'restore', the kernel immediately panics with the > message "fatal trap 12". This problem never happened when I was using > FreeBSD 1.X. There is no problem with read/write using tar. i also have this problem, since there seems to be much scsi work going on since 950210-SNAP I was going to wait for the next SNAP but since it is being discussed, here are some more clues: i'm using: Kernel: FreeBSD 2.0 950210-SNAP (GENERIC or LOCAL) CPU: 486DX2-66MHz (AMI Baby Voyager) SCSI: AHA-1542B Tape: HP 1355A 4mm DAT Other Devices: Micropolis 2217 (1.7G) SMC ??? Ethernet Card my dmesg: FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development #0: Fri Mar 10 21:53:04 MST 1995 smp@rick.systemsix.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/LOCAL CPU: i486DX (486-class CPU) Id = 0x435 Origin = "GenuineIntel" real memory = 16384000 (4000 pages) avail memory = 14999552 (3662 pages) Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 at 0x280-0x29f irq 5 maddr 0xd8000 msize 16384 on isa ed0: address 00:00:c0:e6:59:48, type WD8013EPC (16 bit) bpf: ed0 attached ed1 not probed due to maddr conflict with ed0 at 0xd8000 sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16450 sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16450 lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface lpt1 not found at 0xffffffff lpt2 not found at 0xffffffff fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: (NEC 72065B) [0: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in] [1: fd1: 1.2MB 5.25in] bt0 not found at 0x330 aha0: reading board settings, dma=5 int=11 (bus speed defaulted) aha0 at 0x330-0x333 irq 11 drq 5 on isa aha0 targ 0 lun 0: type 0(direct) fixed SCSI2 aha0 targ 0 lun 0: sd0: 1685MB (3450902 total sec), 2372 cyl, 15 head, 96 sec, bytes/sec 512 aha0 targ 6 lun 0: type 1(sequential) removable SCSI2 aha0 targ 6 lun 0: st0: density code 0x13, variable blocks, write-protected scd0 not found at 0x230 npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface bpf: lo0 attached bpf: ppp0 attached bpf: sl0 attached --------------------------------------------------------------------- the panic: # ktrace restore isf 1 /dev/rst0 st0(aha0:6:0): Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0xc00 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0116e43 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = Idle interrupt mask = bio kernel: type 12 trap, code=0 Stopped at 0xf0116e43: cmpb $0,0(%ebx) Other clues: this happens with dump tapes made on both 1.1.5.1 & 2.0 trying to "restore isf 1 /dev/rst0" on 1.1.5.1 with a tape made on 2.0 fails with message about "can't find Root directory" there is no problem if i substitute an archive 2150S SCSI QIC drive for the HP 4mm DAT drive. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 18:26:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA03237 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 18:26:37 -0800 Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA03230; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 18:26:28 -0800 Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) with UUCP id LAA12413; Sun, 12 Mar 1995 11:16:20 +0900 Received: by tama.spec.co.jp (8.6.10/6.4J.5) id WAA01529; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:37:22 +0900 From: Atsushi Murai Message-Id: <199503111337.WAA01529@tama.spec.co.jp> Subject: Re: Current PPP (3/8/95 SUP) To: rsoles@SIRIUS.COM (Roger L Soles) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:37:21 +0900 (JST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9503110644.AA08786@SIRIUS.COM> from "Roger L Soles" at Mar 10, 95 10:50:59 pm Reply-To: amurai@spec.co.jp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1021 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've noted some interesting things with the PPP I built a few days ago: > > 1) If the line sits idle for a few moments, it get a reboot of the > machine -- but only if PPP is running. Otherwise the machine stays > up just fine. > > 2) If I use a 16550A(N) (Real national part), the PPP deamon will not > start, but on a 16450 (or a knock off 16550 that identifies as > a 16450) it works just fine... > > Anyone else seeing either of these? A PPP built with the 2.0 release > didn't exhibit this, and several other built with earlier SUPs did > (haven't built anything since the last SNAP, so I can't say exactly > when it might have started). > > Anyone got an (extra) clue... ;) I am running a current (day by day) with user process ppp and uucp. But I don't have any problem like you. Yes. I use 16550A for sio.... > - Roger Atsushi. -- Atsushi Murai Internet: amurai@spec.co.jp System Planning and Engineering Co,.Ltd. Voice : +81-33833-5341 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 18:44:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA03519 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 18:44:14 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA03513 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 18:44:10 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id SAA04768; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 18:43:54 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199503120243.SAA04768@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: configuring 2 Ultrastore U24F cards in 1 system To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 18:43:53 -0800 (PST) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503112138.WAA00159@yedi.iaf.nl> from "Wilko Bulte" at Mar 11, 95 10:38:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2851 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi > > Has anybody ever tried to use 2 (or more) Ultrastore U24F EISA scsi cards > in one system? If so, how does the kernel config file look like? > > I have 2 of these boards, and it looks like the driver doesnot correctly > probe the cards. It finds the first card twice(..). ioconf.c as generated > by config looks OK to me > I just took a quick look at the ultra14f.c driver, the code in routine uha24_init(unit) is seriously broken with respect to more than one card. It will always return the lowest slot numbered 24F it finds, try this patch it should fix it. Index: ultra14f.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/isa/ultra14f.c,v retrieving revision 1.27 diff -c -r1.27 ultra14f.c *** 1.27 1995/01/07 23:23:40 --- ultra14f.c 1995/03/12 02:43:20 *************** *** 274,279 **** --- 274,281 ---- struct mscp *cheat; unsigned long int scratch; + #define EISA_MAX_SLOTS 16 /* XXX This should go into a comon header */ + static uha_slot = 0; /* slot last board was found in */ static uha_unit = 0; #define UHA_SHOWMSCPS 0x01 #define UHA_SHOWINTS 0x02 *************** *** 923,940 **** { unsigned char p0, p1, p2, p3, p5, p7; unsigned char id[7], rev, haid; ! int slot, port, irq, i; int resetcount = 4000; struct uha_data *uha = uhadata[unit]; struct uha_reg *ur = uhareg[unit]; struct uha_bits *ub = uhabits[unit]; /* Search for the 24F's product ID */ ! for (slot = 1; slot < 15; slot++) { /* * Prepare to use a 24F. */ ! port = EISA_CONFIG | (slot << 12); ur->id = port + 0x00; ur->type = port + 0x02; ur->ectl = port + 0x04; --- 925,943 ---- { unsigned char p0, p1, p2, p3, p5, p7; unsigned char id[7], rev, haid; ! int port = 0, irq, i; int resetcount = 4000; struct uha_data *uha = uhadata[unit]; struct uha_reg *ur = uhareg[unit]; struct uha_bits *ub = uhabits[unit]; /* Search for the 24F's product ID */ ! while (uha_slot < EISA_MAX_SLOTS) { ! uha_slot++; /* * Prepare to use a 24F. */ ! port = EISA_CONFIG | (uha_slot << 12); ur->id = port + 0x00; ur->type = port + 0x02; ur->ectl = port + 0x04; *************** *** 984,990 **** /* We only want the 24F product ID. */ if (!strcmp(id, "USC024")) break; } ! if (slot == 15) return(ENODEV); /* We have the card! Grab remaining config. */ p5 = inb(ur->config); --- 987,993 ---- /* We only want the 24F product ID. */ if (!strcmp(id, "USC024")) break; } ! if (uha_slot == EISA_MAX_SLOTS) return(ENODEV); /* We have the card! Grab remaining config. */ p5 = inb(ur->config); -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 19:40:12 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA04579 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 19:40:12 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA04570; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 19:40:07 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id TAA08918; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 19:40:04 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503120340.TAA08918@ref.tfs.com> Subject: laptop suggestions To: phk@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 19:40:03 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 243 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm in the market for a < $3000 laptop, any good suggetions ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 19:44:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA04623 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 19:44:17 -0800 Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA04617 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 19:44:13 -0800 Received: from vivid.autometric.com by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP id QQygqh16408; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:55:37 -0500 Received: from jester by vivid.autometric.com via SMTP (5.67a/920502.SGI) for @relay1.uu.net:hackers@FreeBSD.org id AA22451; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:55:35 -0500 Received: by jester (931110.SGI/930416.SGI) for @vivid.autometric.com:hackers@FreeBSD.org id AA05029; Sat, 11 Mar 95 14:55:33 -0500 From: "Brian Sletten" Message-Id: <9503111455.ZM5027@jester.autometric.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:55:32 -0500 Reply-To: bsletten@vivid.autometric.com X-Face: wFVAbzw-w(WA1~gdgaj^'c4X=P$j`q.EhNcjpxyW+:1qDq-ZCx[bvPi=^O$EC39vA5Vk,XC w2VGxhaJxS"^{ab.}G%vXO0E+sx--{<:#TsC@<5#W#PfVq{,i)^X{U7HkF;nI0"mj0fvb1(DvS@_H8 u`r3)}"3Af3vuz; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 19:53:54 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id TAA09075 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 19:53:46 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503120353.TAA09075@ref.tfs.com> Subject: coff loader To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 19:53:44 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 376 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The coff loader (imgact_coff) shows some slightly nasty warnings. This would be a good excercise for somebody to take a look at the code, and then send a patch to Sean or Soren with the fixes.. -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 21:30:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07379 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 21:30:15 -0800 Received: from ns.gte.com (ns.gte.com [132.197.8.9]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA07373 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 21:30:14 -0800 Received: from bunny.gte.com by ns.gte.com (8.6.9/8.9) id AAA03670; Sun, 12 Mar 1995 00:27:53 -0500 Received: by bunny.gte.com (8.6.9/GTEL2.19) id AAA06935; Sun, 12 Mar 1995 00:29:31 -0500 Received: from localhost by genesis.tiac.net (8.3/genesis0.0) id XAA22108; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 23:31:24 -0800 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 23:31:24 -0800 From: steve2@genesis.tiac.net (Steve Gerakines) Message-Id: <199503120731.XAA22108@genesis.tiac.net> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: configuring 2 U24F cards (fix--please commit) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Has anybody ever tried to use 2 (or more) Ultrastore U24F EISA scsi cards > in one system? If so, how does the kernel config file look like? Problem is because the driver is scanning all slots. If there was one set of code scanning the EISA slots this wouldn't be a problem. The following patch should correct it. If someone could commit this for me that would be great. - Steve steve2@genesis.tiac.net ---- 8< 8< 8< ---- *** ultra14f.c.old Fri Jan 6 23:25:46 1995 --- ultra14f.c Sat Mar 11 23:22:19 1995 *************** *** 960,965 **** --- 960,973 ---- ub->abort_ack = U24_ABORT_ACK; ub->icm_ack = U24_ICM_ACK; + /* + * Ignore cards that have already been found. + */ + for (i = 0; i < NUHA; i++) + if (uhadata[i] != NULL && uhadata[i]->baseport == port) + break; + if (i != NUHA) continue; + /* Make sure an EISA card is installed in this slot. */ outb(ur->id, 0xff); p0 = inb(ur->id); ---- EOF EOF EOF ---- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 21:30:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07386 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 21:30:29 -0800 Received: from ns.gte.com (ns.gte.com [132.197.8.9]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA07380 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 21:30:28 -0800 Received: from bunny.gte.com by ns.gte.com (8.6.9/8.9) id AAA03682; Sun, 12 Mar 1995 00:28:08 -0500 Received: by bunny.gte.com (8.6.9/GTEL2.19) id AAA06957; Sun, 12 Mar 1995 00:29:47 -0500 Received: from localhost by genesis.tiac.net (8.3/genesis0.0) id AAA22467; Sun, 12 Mar 1995 00:13:38 -0800 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 00:13:38 -0800 From: steve2@genesis.tiac.net (Steve Gerakines) Message-Id: <199503120813.AAA22467@genesis.tiac.net> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: configuring 2 Ultrastore U24F cards in 1 system Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It will always return the lowest slot numbered 24F it finds, try this > patch it should fix it. Oh well you're too quick Rod. :-) I still think the correct way to fix the EISA stuff is to have a single i386/eisa probe. If no one else does it I was planning on tackling it once I get 2.0 up. Are LKM's working (or planned) under 2.0 yet? - Steve steve2@genesis.tiac.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 21:38:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07460 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 21:38:56 -0800 Received: from crash.cts.com (crash.cts.com [192.188.72.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA07452 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 21:38:55 -0800 Received: by crash.cts.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #18) id m0rngMe-0001Q8C; Sat, 11 Mar 95 21:38 PST Message-Id: Subject: Intel EtherExpress Ethernet Card To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 21:38:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Daniel Sherwin" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 221 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just got an Intle EtherExpress 16 Network Adapter. What is the option I would need in my kernel options file so it will recognize this card? I tried the ed1 for the NE cards but to no avail. Any suggestions? }Dan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 21:46:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07554 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 21:46:41 -0800 Received: from Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (root@starbase.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.6.26]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA07548 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 21:46:39 -0800 Received: from metal.ops.neosoft.com (root@metal-s0.ops.NeoSoft.COM [198.65.161.251]) by Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id XAA29255 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 23:46:35 -0600 X-Provider: NeoSoft, Inc.: Internet Service Provider (713) 684-5969 Received: (from smace@localhost) by metal.ops.neosoft.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id XAA00656 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 23:46:33 -0600 From: Scott Mace Message-Id: <199503120546.XAA00656@metal.ops.neosoft.com> Subject: problem with tape and dump/restore To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 23:46:32 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 433 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I decided to try and use dump/restore for a change and found that restore will not read the tape: here's what I do: dump 0ufB /dev/nrst0 2048000 /var mt -f /dev/nrst0 rew restore tvf /dev/nrst0 this results in a: st0(bt0:4:0): NO SENSE info:00005800 tar works perfectly I'm using a HP 4mm HP35470A, and a buslogic 747s if any more info is needed, or any tests anyone would want me to try, I'll be happy to do it.. Scott From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 21:51:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07591 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 21:51:03 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA07585 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 21:51:02 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA09499; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 21:51:00 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503120551.VAA09499@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Intel EtherExpress Ethernet Card To: dsherwin@cts.com (Daniel Sherwin) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 21:50:59 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Daniel Sherwin" at Mar 11, 95 09:38:51 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 517 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I just got an Intle EtherExpress 16 Network Adapter. What is the option > I would need in my kernel options file so it will recognize this card? I > tried the ed1 for the NE cards but to no avail. Any suggestions? You need the 'if_ix' driver from the current sources, and then send email to rgrimes@freebsd.org for the details. -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 22:02:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA07692 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:02:54 -0800 Received: from po8.andrew.cmu.edu (PO8.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.108]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA07685 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:02:53 -0800 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po8.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA14062 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Sun, 12 Mar 1995 01:02:47 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Sun, 12 Mar 1995 01:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs23.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 12 Mar 1995 01:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs23.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 12 Mar 1995 01:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Jan.26.1995.18.43.47.sun4c.411.EzMail.Phred.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs23.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs23.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Sun, 12 Mar 1995 01:02:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 01:02:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Alex R.N. Wetmore" To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: laptop suggestions In-Reply-To: <199503120340.TAA08918@ref.tfs.com> References: <199503120340.TAA08918@ref.tfs.com> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Excerpts from internet.computing.freebsd-hackers: 11-Mar-95 laptop suggestions by Poul-Henning Kamp@ref.tf > I'm in the market for a < $3000 laptop, any good suggetions ? I've been using an older model NEC Versa for the past few weeks (running NetBSD and XFree86 3.1.1 on it) and really like it. This particular machine is: 486sl/25 8 megs of ram active matrix color display 174 meg drive The active matrix display drives the price way up, but they also sell them with mono and dual-scan color. People around here (at CMU) also run Mach on them, so they seem to be generally compatible with a wide range of operating systems. NEC also seems to have very agressive pricing on refurbished and blemished units... alex From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 22:35:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA08063 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:35:38 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA08057 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:35:35 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA05060; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:35:14 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199503120635.WAA05060@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: configuring 2 U24F cards (fix--please commit) To: steve2@genesis.tiac.net (Steve Gerakines) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:35:13 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503120731.XAA22108@genesis.tiac.net> from "Steve Gerakines" at Mar 11, 95 11:31:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1536 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Has anybody ever tried to use 2 (or more) Ultrastore U24F EISA scsi cards > > in one system? If so, how does the kernel config file look like? > > Problem is because the driver is scanning all slots. If there was one > set of code scanning the EISA slots this wouldn't be a problem. The > following patch should correct it. If someone could commit this for > me that would be great. Julian Elischer is working on code EISA code that moves this stuff out of the drivers. I would rather have the patch I submitted tested by the user then I will commit it (it uses the same scheme that aha1742 uses to make sure we only go over the slots one time, it also fixes a few other small nits like 2 constant 15's that should really be EISA_MAX_SLOT). > > - Steve > steve2@genesis.tiac.net > ---- 8< 8< 8< ---- > *** ultra14f.c.old Fri Jan 6 23:25:46 1995 > --- ultra14f.c Sat Mar 11 23:22:19 1995 > *************** > *** 960,965 **** > --- 960,973 ---- > ub->abort_ack = U24_ABORT_ACK; > ub->icm_ack = U24_ICM_ACK; > > + /* > + * Ignore cards that have already been found. > + */ > + for (i = 0; i < NUHA; i++) > + if (uhadata[i] != NULL && uhadata[i]->baseport == port) > + break; > + if (i != NUHA) continue; > + > /* Make sure an EISA card is installed in this slot. */ > outb(ur->id, 0xff); > p0 = inb(ur->id); > ---- EOF EOF EOF ---- > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 22:40:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA08115 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:40:20 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA08109 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:40:17 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA05077; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:39:56 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199503120639.WAA05077@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: configuring 2 Ultrastore U24F cards in 1 system To: steve2@genesis.tiac.net (Steve Gerakines) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:39:55 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503120813.AAA22467@genesis.tiac.net> from "Steve Gerakines" at Mar 12, 95 00:13:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1091 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > It will always return the lowest slot numbered 24F it finds, try this > > patch it should fix it. > > Oh well you're too quick Rod. :-) I still think the correct way to > fix the EISA stuff is to have a single i386/eisa probe. If no one > else does it I was planning on tackling it once I get 2.0 up. Are > LKM's working (or planned) under 2.0 yet? I was waiting on some other compiling to finish when I read the message and had a very good idea as to what was going wrong so I figured what the heck, I through the person a patch so it could be fixed. Julian Elischer (julian@freebsd.org) has EISA probe code he has been working on, and this is they way to go. LKM's are working in 2.0, they have been used mostly for file systems and some of the networking code. There currently are no LKM device drivers and more work must be done to the device driver layer before it is reasonable to start doing LKM device drivers. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 22:42:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA08123 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:42:00 -0800 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA08117 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:41:58 -0800 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA05090; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:41:45 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199503120641.WAA05090@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Intel EtherExpress Ethernet Card To: dsherwin@cts.com (Daniel Sherwin) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:41:45 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Daniel Sherwin" at Mar 11, 95 09:38:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 626 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I just got an Intle EtherExpress 16 Network Adapter. What is the option > I would need in my kernel options file so it will recognize this card? I > tried the ed1 for the NE cards but to no avail. Any suggestions? The Intel EtherExpress driver was added just recently, you will need kernel sources later than 2/26/1995. Here is the kernel config line I use for the ix0 driver: device ix0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 5 iomem 0xd0000 iosiz 32768 vector ixintr -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 22:49:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA08195 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:49:36 -0800 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA08189 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:49:35 -0800 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id WAA09648; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:49:20 -0800 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199503120649.WAA09648@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: configuring 2 Ultrastore U24F cards in 1 system To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 22:49:20 -0800 (PST) Cc: steve2@genesis.tiac.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199503120639.WAA05077@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Mar 11, 95 10:39:55 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 573 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > LKM's are working in 2.0, they have been used mostly for file systems > and some of the networking code. There currently are no LKM device > drivers and more work must be done to the device driver layer before > it is reasonable to start doing LKM device drivers. With the modification that it is almost no problem to do it for a scsi- driver since the problem really is cdevsw/bdevsw... -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 23:13:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA08553 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 23:13:26 -0800 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA08547 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 23:13:25 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA11915; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 23:13:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199503120713.XAA11915@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: estienne.cs.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: steve2@genesis.tiac.net (Steve Gerakines) cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: configuring 2 Ultrastore U24F cards in 1 system In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 12 Mar 1995 00:13:38 PST." <199503120813.AAA22467@genesis.tiac.net> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 23:13:10 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> It will always return the lowest slot numbered 24F it finds, try this >> patch it should fix it. > >Oh well you're too quick Rod. :-) I still think the correct way to >fix the EISA stuff is to have a single i386/eisa probe. If no one >else does it I was planning on tackling it once I get 2.0 up. Are >LKM's working (or planned) under 2.0 yet? > >- Steve >steve2@genesis.tiac.net Take a look at Julian's EISA probe code. Its 95% of the way there. I believe its in his home directory on Freefall. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 11 23:21:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA08632 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 23:21:10 -0800 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA08625 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 1995 23:21:03 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA06823; Sun, 12 Mar 1995 17:19:14 +1000 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 17:19:14 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199503120719.RAA06823@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: phk@ref.tfs.com, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: configuring 2 Ultrastore U24F cards in 1 system Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, steve2@genesis.tiac.net Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> LKM's are working in 2.0, they have been used mostly for file systems >> and some of the networking code. There currently are no LKM device >> drivers and more work must be done to the device driver layer before >> it is reasonable to start doing LKM device drivers. >With the modification that it is almost no problem to do it for a scsi- >driver since the problem really is cdevsw/bdevsw... The main problem is that device drivers think that they own the machine and do things like DELAY(1000000 * SCSI_DELAY) (busy wait for a GENERIC value of 15 seconds for each controller) and would probably have many races if they gave up control. Bruce