From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 00:19:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA25988 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 00:19:04 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA25981 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 00:18:48 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA17133; Sun, 21 May 1995 15:18:46 +0800 Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 15:18:46 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: NFS and file flags Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Any plans on extending FreeBSD's NFS to handling file flags for 2.1? -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 00:28:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA26087 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 00:28:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA26080 ; Sun, 21 May 1995 00:28:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Amancio Hasty cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4gig drive for $1099 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 20 May 95 15:02:23 PDT." <9505202219.AA04386@ baycon.org > Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 00:28:33 -0700 Message-ID: <26079.801041313@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > NCA in Sunnyvale, Ca., has a special for 4gig quantum disk drives for > $1099 . > > I almost feel morally obligated to buy one :) Is this the Grand Prix? I wouldn't touch one with a stick. I've purchased about 7 of these drives in the last 4 months and 5 of them are already dead. After the 3rd one croaked I stopped replacing them and exchanged them forSeagate Hawk drives, all of which have been working flawlessly. I know that WC has some static problems that tends to kill equipment before its time, but this problem has NOT been seen with the Barracuda or Hawk drives, all of which live in the same environment, so I think that this is statistically significant. It's a pity, since I *really liked* the GP, it just seems like Quantum is having some rather severe quality control problems with them. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 00:37:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA26196 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 00:37:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA26189 ; Sun, 21 May 1995 00:37:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Mark Hittinger cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4gig drive for $1099 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 20 May 95 21:44:19 EDT." <199505210144.VAA25243@ns1.win.net> Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 00:37:12 -0700 Message-ID: <26188.801041832@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Jordan needs to get some artwork with the BSDaemon pounding a drum that > has the file system limit written on it :-). Say a couple of bongos - one > has "4 gig OK" and the other has "9 gig OK". :-) I guess I'll have to talk to our Japanese friend about this.. :-) > PS: Like Jordan I've also moved my news partition to an entire 4 gig drive Like me? I'm using a 9GB drive for this... You have a little ways to go to catch up.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 03:48:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA17797 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 03:48:05 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA17790 ; Sun, 21 May 1995 03:48:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Jeffrey Hsu cc: dufault@hda.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: Mma for Linux, when? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 May 95 16:27:05 PDT." <199505182327.QAA25751@freefall.cdrom.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 03:48:01 -0700 Message-ID: <17788.801053281@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > To advance a slippery slope argument, settling for Linux application > is tantamount to settling for the Linux operating system. Why run > FreeBSD at all if all the applications are going to be Linux > applications? Why try to encourage more users to try FreeBSD when > Linux is so popular and has so much commercial application support? > We might as well spend our time and energy into making Linux a > better platform and abandon FreeBSD. I don't buy the conclusion, though I certainly see merit in the argument that we should have as many native applications as possible. For better or for worse, many users perceive an operating system's viability as a function of the number of native apps for it. I suppose the logic is that if the ISV felt the OS to be worth the effort, then it must be worth looking at. However, emulation is a different issue and it's ALSO true that the more things you can reasonably emulate the better off you are, and one good way of proving the strength of your emulation is to run the more complex apps. Users who want to transition between Linux or DOS and FreeBSD are naturally going to feel a lot more comfortable if they don't have to go out and re-aquire all the software they collected and/or purchased just because FreeBSD thinks it's too good to emulate the others. That'd be an entirely bogus attitude to take, and one NOT shared by folks like IBM or Apple, who go to considerable pain to emulate Windows and DOS apps even though their native support is _better_ than either (I much prefer native OS/2 or PowerMac apps to emulated Windows ones, but will take whatever I can get when push comes to shove). Let's do both. To assume that we can drop emulation as a side-effect of having native apps available is faulty reasoning. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 05:28:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA19242 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 05:28:30 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA19236 ; Sun, 21 May 1995 05:28:25 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id IAA17587; Sun, 21 May 1995 08:28:50 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199505211228.IAA17587@hda.com> Subject: Re: kern/430: bug in tape drivers To: bugs@ns1.win.net (Mark Hittinger) Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 08:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, julian@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505200134.VAA07349@ns1.win.net> from "Mark Hittinger" at May 19, 95 09:34:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2488 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mark Hittinger writes: > > >Number: 430 > >Category: kern > >Synopsis: SCSI Tape dont work > >Originator: Charles Henrich (MSU) > >Release: FreeBSD 2.1.0-Development i386 > > > > ALR Dual Pentium, BT747 SCSI-2, Connor DDS-2 Dat, 3 Seagate Hawk 2gig > ^^^^^ > > drives. > > > >Description: > > > > 90% of the time you access the dat drive via dump, FreeBSD goes off > > and scrambles the other disks in the system. This sucks, and has > > happened to me several times. > > I think that the the tape drive is tying up the SCSI bus (and maybe therefore the host adapter?) for some reason. > I have seen the same problem since 2.0R. I have a WangDAT3400DX. When a > process closes the tape drive I get "bt0a: try to abort". I believe this > is due to the lengthy rewind, although recently I noted that there was a > problem with scsi commands that contained no data. In any event I > still see the problem in -current. I will try a 2940 controller this > weekend and see if the problem exists there. As I mentioned, zero length commands aren't an issue. > After a few "bt0a try to abort" I get a "bt0a abort timed out". It is > at this point that horrible things happen. The driver corrupts the ccb > chain and bit sprays your disks. If the rewind finishes before the > "bt0a abort timed out" then no badness happens to your disks. You get more than one "bt0: Try to abort" messages? That is probably the scsi system aborting the ongoing disk transfers that aren't completing due to the problem with the tape drive, since you will only get one "Try to abort" message per aborted transaction. I'm not sure what your work around does: you end up stretching out the "Try to abort" time until the drive finishes and "unlocks" the host adapter. So you've tried to abort a few transfers. Did they abort? I don't know. Do you wind up getting a disk retry per abort message after this? Anyway, if the "abort timed out" happens we toss that active CCB's back onto the freelist and the next SCSI transaction will get that same CCB. This is probably a mistake: we should instead let the CCBs leak off into the bit bucket, potentially hanging the system, but tossing them back so that they wind up being reused may be what is trashing the disk. Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 06:44:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA20103 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 06:44:08 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA20093 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 06:44:04 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA03086 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sun, 21 May 1995 08:33:04 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA16046; 21 May 95 08:22:26 CDT (Sun) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA16043; Sun, 21 May 1995 08:22:26 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199505211322.IAA16043@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: 4gig drive for $10997 To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 08:22:25 -0500 (CDT) Cc: bugs@ns1.win.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at May 21, 95 01:12:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1149 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Good point... I'm compiling a list of reasons why FreeBSD makes a > better Web server platform than a really pricey machine running > Solaris or IRIX or HP/SUX. ;-) Do you know if any of those support > 64-bit offsets in their filesystems? How about Linux? Of course there's always OSF/1. And the Alpha is a *really* nice CPU. And OSF/1 is about the most BSD-ish workstation platform yet... I've used the FreeBSD source as a reference to help resolve some problems with OSF/1... including installing programs from the CDROM into /usr/bin over the DEC stuff. Ah, 64 bit longs. IMHO, the original BSD port to the VAX should have made a long 64 bits. So what if the hardware doesn't support 64 bit longs directly? The PDP-11 doesn't support 32 bit longs directly either. Long was suppoed to be for the cases where the natural int on the machine wasn't big enough. It doesn't *matter* if it's more expensive, that's better than having it be impossible. (grump) Just something I've been griping about for the past 15 years. Put it on your lists for FreeBSD 3.0 and to hell with the portability problems. It's only 15 years late in coming... From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 08:12:10 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA22078 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 08:12:10 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA22070 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 08:12:07 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA17862; Sun, 21 May 1995 23:12:03 +0800 Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 23:12:02 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: Mma for Linux, when? In-Reply-To: <17788.801053281@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 21 May 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I don't buy the conclusion, though I certainly see merit in the > argument that we should have as many native applications as possible. > For better or for worse, many users perceive an operating system's > viability as a function of the number of native apps for it. I > suppose the logic is that if the ISV felt the OS to be worth the > effort, then it must be worth looking at. I don't think most users are clued-in enough to know or care about how many *native* applications are available for an OS like FreeBSD or Linux. All they want to know is that FreeBSD not only runs FreeBSD binaries, but also SCO and BSD/OS (and maybe even Linux in the future). Binary compatibility with BSD/OS should be a big selling point in FreeBSD's favour. I've been able to convince at least a dozen users on io.org to run FreeBSD at home (despite an extremely strong Linux presence in Toronto) because io.org runs BSD/OS, and that means a giant repository of pre-compiled binaries for them to use. Instead of arguing that we might as well give up on FreeBSD and run Linux for the apps, we should set a goal of "Better Linux Than Linux" (apologies to OS/2 Warp and "Blade Runner"). ;-) Perhaps this should be moved to freebsd-chat... -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 08:14:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA22099 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 08:14:07 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA22093 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 08:14:04 -0700 Received: from masi.ibp.fr (root@masi.ibp.fr [132.227.60.23]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id RAA03427 ; Sun, 21 May 1995 17:13:39 +0200 Received: from hebe.ibp.fr (hebe.ibp.fr [132.227.64.34]) by masi.ibp.fr (8.6.11/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id RAA26506 ; Sun, 21 May 1995 17:12:00 +0200 From: Remy.Card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD) Received: by hebe.ibp.fr (8.6.10/jtpda-5.0) id RAA10874 ; Sun, 21 May 1995 17:10:40 +0200 Message-Id: <199505211510.RAA10874@hebe.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: 4gig drive for $1099 To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 17:10:39 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: bugs@ns1.win.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at May 21, 95 01:12:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 809 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > This is one of the nice advantages of FreeBSD. Even Cutler, who should > > have known better, wound up with 32 bit limits in NTFS. People with > > SCO, ect, have got to feel at least a psychological inhibition about > > buying 4 gig drives :-). > > Good point... I'm compiling a list of reasons why FreeBSD makes a > better Web server platform than a really pricey machine running > Solaris or IRIX or HP/SUX. ;-) Do you know if any of those support > 64-bit offsets in their filesystems? How about Linux? The Linux VFS uses 64-bits offsets, but none of the Linux filesystems supports 2GB+ files yet. The maximal Ext2fs size is 4 TB though. > -- > Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao > taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org > > Remy From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 08:15:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA22139 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 08:15:30 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA22133 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 08:15:27 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA17874; Sun, 21 May 1995 23:15:04 +0800 Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 23:15:04 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Peter da Silva cc: bugs@ns1.win.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4gig drive for $10997 In-Reply-To: <199505211322.IAA16043@bonkers.taronga.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 21 May 1995, Peter da Silva wrote: > > Of course there's always OSF/1. And the Alpha is a *really* nice CPU. > And OSF/1 is about the most BSD-ish workstation platform yet... I've never had any desire to try OSF/1 (we have some sort of Alphastation running OSF/1 2.0 on campus), but now that you mention it is very BSD-like... -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 09:01:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA22736 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 09:01:37 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA22730 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 09:01:36 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA26073; Sun, 21 May 1995 11:46:29 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 11:46:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199505211546.LAA26073@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mtaylor@gateway.cybernet.com (Mark J. Taylor) From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: Re: Synchronous serial support? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Hello- > >We are looking for support of synchronous serial using the Zilog Z85230 >chip (or equivalent). It's title is the ESCC (Enhanced Serial >Communication Controller). I am wondering if FreeBSD supports any kind of >USART (I know that 8250/16x50 UARTS are supported), esp. this one. > >Does anyone out there do synchronous serial in FreeBSD? I'd like to hear >some (private, no need to broadcast these) stories about people's >experiences with the Cronyx-Sigma adapters. > We have an adapter and software to do Synch PPP, frame relay, and Cisco Serial Protocol for Freebsd.... Dennis Baasch Emerging Technologies, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 10:14:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA23537 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 10:14:33 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA23531 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 10:14:30 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA03386; Sun, 21 May 1995 10:13:04 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505211713.KAA03386@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Ram Speed To: kwong@fathergoose.net6c.io.org (Ken Wong) Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 10:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199505202234.WAA01094@fathergoose.net6c.io.org> from "Ken Wong" at May 20, 95 10:34:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1751 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > On Wed, 17 May 1995, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > > > > > > > The drivers are identical, so the interupt time should be the same for > > > > driving either card on the same machine. Your benchmark is not really > > > > valid since they were run on different motherboards. > > > > > > To some extent. It is instesting that a good EISA system can best a > > > poor PCI system. Woe to those buying cheap PCI motherboards. > > > > My old 486DX33 ECS EISA/VLB Sis chipset with write back cache performs > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > better at memory speed benchmarks than most cheap PCI motherboards > > It is very useful if the chipset is also mentioned along with the type > of motherboard. Afterall it is the chipset that differentiate one clone > motherboard from another as far as memory access is concern. It seems that you sent this to me only, and not back to the list, so I have cc'ed it back onto the list. I am in agreement here and feel the minimun information that should be given when talking about a motherboard is the the manufacture, model, chip set used, and bus types (IE, ASUS PCI/I-P54TP4 Intel Triton chip set, PCI/ISA). The BIOS mfg can be relavent when discusion problems, as one bios may allow setup changes that others do not. As a person who deals in hardware that allows me to clearly identify the board mentally in my mind. I often find myself asking for this information as the first thing I do when I see these types of postings, so can we all save that time and try to be more complete when posting this type of information. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 11:47:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA25574 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 11:47:37 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA25568 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 11:47:36 -0700 Received: from baycon.org (wraith.cdrom.com [192.216.222.6]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id LAA06473 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 11:40:30 -0700 Received: from hasty.vip.best.com by baycon.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04716; Sun, 21 May 95 11:53:40 PDT Message-Id: <9505211853.AA04716@ baycon.org > X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: Mma for Linux, when? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 21 May 1995 03:48:01 PDT." <17788.801053281@freefall.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 11:36:51 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > To advance a slippery slope argument, settling for Linux application > > is tantamount to settling for the Linux operating system. Why run > > FreeBSD at all if all the applications are going to be Linux > > applications? Why try to encourage more users to try FreeBSD when > > Linux is so popular and has so much commercial application support? > > We might as well spend our time and energy into making Linux a > > better platform and abandon FreeBSD. > The Silence of an OS :) First, they are not that many Linux native apps without source. (Amancio once again turning green) if the user base starts at least asking software manufacturers for a native port of their application(s) we will not have the existing situation. If a company makes a port of their application to linux it can't be that hard to port the application to FreeBSD. FreeBSD is a good product. We just have to sell it! Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 13:52:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA28313 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 13:52:34 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA28306 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 13:52:32 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id NAA12453 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 May 1995 13:52:30 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199505212052.NAA12453@ref.tfs.com> Subject: RPC question To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 13:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 684 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk in src/lib/libc/rpc/get_myaddress.c determines it's own address by finding the first "UP" interface. I have a setup where my point-to-point interface lp0 is always up, but there may be nothing in the other end. Since our p-to-p if's do not register a route for their local address, you can only contact the local-end address when there is a machine in the other end. This means that mountd (for instance) will fail to contact the portmapper... Why on earth does the rpc code not use 127.0.0.1 ??? -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 14:10:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA28849 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 14:10:28 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA28843 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 14:10:25 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA04855 ; Sun, 21 May 1995 23:10:23 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id XAA03116 ; Sun, 21 May 1995 23:10:22 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199505212110.XAA03116@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: 4gig drive for $1099 To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 23:10:21 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: bugs@ns1.win.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at May 21, 95 01:12:19 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 413 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > better Web server platform than a really pricey machine running > Solaris or IRIX or HP/SUX. ;-) Do you know if any of those support > 64-bit offsets in their filesystems? How about Linux? It does. Remy modified ext2fs to support large partitions a while ago. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 14:23:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA29030 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 14:23:51 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA29024 ; Sun, 21 May 1995 14:23:49 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA04930 ; Sun, 21 May 1995 23:23:47 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id XAA03163 ; Sun, 21 May 1995 23:23:37 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199505212123.XAA03163@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: Linux, BSD file systems and dosemu To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 23:23:37 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <7672.800917400@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at May 19, 95 02:03:20 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 526 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I believe Remy Card, the author of extfs, has some plans to port > the next revision of his code (ext3fs? :-) to FreeBSD though > I don't know the state of this. Ollivier? Have you talked > to Remy about this recently? About FreeBSD's port no. From Berlin's exhibition a few weeks ago, Remy will make some improvements to ext2fs soon so a port now would not be reasonable. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 19:24:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA05847 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 19:24:02 -0700 Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA05840 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 19:23:57 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id bj03533; 22 May 95 2:05 +0100 Received: from bagpuss.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa15138; 21 May 95 23:46 +0100 Received: (karl@localhost) by bagpuss.demon.co.uk (99.9/99.9) id XAA03482; Sun, 21 May 1995 23:48:23 +0100 From: Karl Strickland Message-Id: <199505212248.XAA03482@bagpuss.demon.co.uk> Subject: missing eisa.h - wheres it gone... To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 23:48:23 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1126 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm planning to upgrade bagpuss from 1.x very shortly, so I've been playing around with 2.x on another disk (and it looks great BTW!). I installed the april SNAP first, and that worked well. I decided to upgrade to -current, so I loaded up the source, and did something like: cd /usr/src make includes cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/config make all install cd /sys/i386/conf config BAGPUSS Now when I attempt to build, it complains about not being able to find eisa.h (and a few others Ive forgotten about). When I try to config a kernel on freefall, it makes an eisa.h in the kernel build directory. I thought I might have messed something up in BAGPUSS's config file, but even when i 'config GENERIC', the same happens. Before I spend hours trying to track down whats going on, does anyone already know whats wrong? Thanks in advance! -- ------------------------------------------+----------------------------------- Mailed using ELM on FreeBSD | Karl Strickland PGP 2.3a Public Key Available. | Internet: karl@bagpuss.demon.co.uk | From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 21:12:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA08684 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 21:12:16 -0700 Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA08678 ; Sun, 21 May 1995 21:12:07 -0700 Received: from tama3 (tama3 [202.32.13.252]) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) with SMTP id NAA19293; Mon, 22 May 1995 13:06:45 +0900 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 13:06:45 +0900 Message-Id: <199505220406.NAA19293@specgw.spec.co.jp> To: dufault@hda.com Cc: bugs@ns1.win.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org, julian@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kern/430: bug in tape drivers In-Reply-To: <199505211228.IAA17587@hda.com> From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQjwwZhsoSg==?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCPV8bKEo=?= Atsushi Murai X-Mailer: AL-Mail for Windows(0.36B) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Peter Dufault wrotes; >Mark Hittinger writes: >> After a few "bt0a try to abort" I get a "bt0a abort timed out". It is >> at this point that horrible things happen. The driver corrupts the ccb >> chain and bit sprays your disks. If the rewind finishes before the >> "bt0a abort timed out" then no badness happens to your disks. > >You get more than one "bt0: Try to abort" messages? That >is probably the scsi system aborting the ongoing disk transfers that aren't >completing due to the problem with the tape drive, since you will >only get one "Try to abort" message per aborted transaction. More than one "bt0 Try to abort" means try to abort a previous abort command. So I guess SCSI bus itself stuck up entirely. Check keep light on borad LED or not. >I'm not sure what your work around does: you end up stretching out >the "Try to abort" time until the drive finishes and "unlocks" >the host adapter. So you've tried to abort a few transfers. Did they >abort? I don't know. Do you wind up getting a disk retry per >abort message after this? > >Anyway, if the "abort timed out" happens we toss that active CCB's back >onto the freelist and the next SCSI transaction will get that same >CCB. This is probably a mistake: we should instead let the CCBs leak >off into the bit bucket, potentially hanging the system, >but tossing them back so that they wind up being reused may be what >is trashing the disk. If I memory correct, never happen such a case. (leak the CCBS and so on.) >Peter >-- >Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation >HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 >dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 Atsushi. -- Atsushi Murai E-Mail: amurai@spec.co.jp SPEC Voice : +81-3-3833-5341 System Planning and Engineering Corp. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 21:38:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA10858 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 21:38:46 -0700 Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA10852 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 21:38:45 -0700 Received: (from bugs@localhost) by ns1.win.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA03138 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 May 1995 00:41:17 -0400 From: Mark Hittinger Message-Id: <199505220441.AAA03138@ns1.win.net> Subject: Re: kern/430: bug in tape drivers (fwd) To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 00:41:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1155 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >You get more than one "bt0: Try to abort" messages? That Yes, and they are repeated attempts to abort the rewind command I believe. > > More than one "bt0 Try to abort" means try to abort a previous abort > command. So I guess SCSI bus itself stuck up entirely. Check keep light > on borad LED or not. All disk i/o waits until the rewind finishes. Disk activity light is lit during entire rewind. Once rewind finishes then everything continues with no trouble. > > >I'm not sure what your work around does: you end up stretching out > >the "Try to abort" time until the drive finishes and "unlocks" > >the host adapter. So you've tried to abort a few transfers. Did they > >abort? I don't know. Do you wind up getting a disk retry per > >abort message after this? The workaround (a gross and sleazy kludge I admit :-) ) lets me do backups without bitspraying my disks! When I have time I want to open the hood on the timeout period calculations, it seems like timeouts happen faster than they ought to given the comments in the source. Maybe there are some pentium-90 incompatible assumptions. Regards, Mark Hittinger bugs@win.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 22:06:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA11383 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 22:06:14 -0700 Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA11375 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 22:06:06 -0700 Received: from tama3 (tama3 [202.32.13.252]) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) with SMTP id OAA20046; Mon, 22 May 1995 14:01:25 +0900 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:01:25 +0900 Message-Id: <199505220501.OAA20046@specgw.spec.co.jp> To: bugs@ns1.win.net Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kern/430: bug in tape drivers (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199505220441.AAA03138@ns1.win.net> From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQjwwZhsoSg==?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCPV8bKEo=?= Atsushi Murai X-Mailer: AL-Mail for Windows(0.36B) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mark Hittinger wrotes: >> >You get more than one "bt0: Try to abort" messages? That > >Yes, and they are repeated attempts to abort the rewind command I >believe. > >> >> More than one "bt0 Try to abort" means try to abort a previous abort >> command. So I guess SCSI bus itself stuck up entirely. Check keep light >> on borad LED or not. > >All disk i/o waits until the rewind finishes. Disk activity light is lit >during entire rewind. Once rewind finishes then everything continues >with no trouble. Looks like your tape equiment is not support/set up SCSI disconnection option. This means once rewind opreation issue, tape equipment keep a SCSI bus by finish it. Addition I have a old Viper (QIC-150) drive and I get "Aborting message" when rewind/forwd tape, but during the time I can access the disks/cdrom without trouble. # P.S. Regarding with bt742a.c, I am sure that enable SCSI deisconnection and Busy retry just in case ;-) Atsushi. -- Atsushi Murai E-Mail: amurai@spec.co.jp SPEC Voice : +81-3-3833-5341 System Planning and Engineering Corp. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 21 23:46:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA13853 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 1995 23:46:18 -0700 Received: from lirmm.lirmm.fr (lirmm.lirmm.fr [193.49.104.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA13847 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 23:46:17 -0700 Received: from lirmm.fr (baobab.lirmm.fr [193.49.106.14]) by lirmm.lirmm.fr (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA14657 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 08:46:13 +0200 Message-Id: <199505220646.IAA14657@lirmm.lirmm.fr> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: login exited with sig 11 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 08:46:12 +0200 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, With 950412-SNAP, if a + is added at the end of /etc/group (ditto with +:, +::, +:::, and +:*::), you just cannot login (sig 11). -------- -------- Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr LIRMM, 161 rue Ada, 34392 Montpellier cedex 5 -- France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 05:01:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA22821 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 05:01:25 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA22814 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 05:01:22 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id IAA20247; Mon, 22 May 1995 08:01:43 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199505221201.IAA20247@hda.com> Subject: Re: kern/430: bug in tape drivers (fwd) To: bugs@ns1.win.net (Mark Hittinger) Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 08:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505220441.AAA03138@ns1.win.net> from "Mark Hittinger" at May 22, 95 00:41:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2789 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mark Hittinger writes: > > > >You get more than one "bt0: Try to abort" messages? That > > Yes, and they are repeated attempts to abort the rewind command I > believe. I don't think so; see the code fragment below. As far as I can see you should get only one "Try to abort" message per aborted SCSI transaction. > > > > More than one "bt0 Try to abort" means try to abort a previous abort > > command. So I guess SCSI bus itself stuck up entirely. Check keep light > > on borad LED or not. > > All disk i/o waits until the rewind finishes. Disk activity light is lit > during entire rewind. Once rewind finishes then everything continues > with no trouble. Check the code: > if (ccb->flags == CCB_ABORTED) { > /* > * abort timed out > */ > printf("bt%d: Abort Operation has timed out\n", unit); > ccb->xfer->retries = 0; /* I MEAN IT ! */ > ccb->host_stat = BT_ABORTED; > bt_done(unit, ccb); > } else { > /* abort the operation that has timed out */ > printf("bt%d: Try to abort\n", unit); > bt_send_mbo(unit, ~SCSI_NOMASK, > BT_MBO_ABORT, ccb); > /* 2 secs for the abort */ > ccb->flags = CCB_ABORTED; > timeout(bt_timeout, (caddr_t)ccb, 2 * hz); > } It sets the CCB_ABORTED flag the first time, so you should only get one "Try to abort" message per aborted transaction. More than one message means more than one aborted transaction. We ought to print out the ccb with %p. > > > > > >I'm not sure what your work around does: you end up stretching out > > >the "Try to abort" time until the drive finishes and "unlocks" > > >the host adapter. So you've tried to abort a few transfers. Did they > > >abort? I don't know. Do you wind up getting a disk retry per > > >abort message after this? > > The workaround (a gross and sleazy kludge I admit :-) ) lets me do backups > without bitspraying my disks! Are you sure? Which other transfers were aborted? Were they retried? Are you sure you don't have subtle corruption problems, and you just aren't getting gross disk corruption and a system panic? > When I have time I want to open the hood on the timeout period calculations, > it seems like timeouts happen faster than they ought to given the comments > in the source. Maybe there are some pentium-90 incompatible assumptions. I don't think it is timeout calculations. I think the tape drive isn't disconnecting and the SCSI bus is locked up. As long as you ARE getting "disk retry" messages you are OK, though. If you aren't I think you may have problems. Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 05:58:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA23539 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 05:58:38 -0700 Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA23533 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 05:58:37 -0700 Received: (from bugs@localhost) by ns1.win.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA00995 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 May 1995 09:00:34 -0400 From: Mark Hittinger Message-Id: <199505221300.JAA00995@ns1.win.net> Subject: Re: kern/430: bug in tape drivers (fwd) To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:00:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1611 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > It sets the CCB_ABORTED flag the first time, so you should only > get one "Try to abort" message per aborted transaction. More than > one message means more than one aborted transaction. We > ought to print out the ccb with %p. Will patch it and see what I get. > > > > The workaround (a gross and sleazy kludge I admit :-) ) lets me do backups > > without bitspraying my disks! > > Are you sure? > Which other transfers were aborted? Were they > retried? Are you sure you don't have > subtle corruption problems, and you just aren't getting gross disk > corruption and a system panic? > I've been doing it since early december. This is on my heaviest hit server so I doubt that something terribly ugly occurs here. At least I've not seen anything :-) I will pay more attention to this and put more printfs into the driver for more clues. Oh yeah, and I was getting gross disk corruption and system panics every time without the gross sleazy patch. That was the point of the gross sleazy patch :-) Several afternoons in fsck for too many hours. > I think the tape drive isn't disconnecting and the > SCSI bus is locked up. As long as you ARE getting "disk retry" messages > you are OK, though. If you aren't I think you may have problems. I got another email too about enabling scsi disconnection on the tape drive. I double checked and - dammit - it was not on for that device. I can't remember if that was important. This morning I will enable disconnection and run another backup - about 13 gigs of stuff to the drive. See what happens ect. Regards, Mark Hittinger bugs@win.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 07:26:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA25171 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 07:26:30 -0700 Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA25164 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 07:26:28 -0700 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA09095; Mon, 22 May 1995 10:27:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 10:27:15 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199505221427.KAA09095@Glock.COM> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Diagnostics for a hanging machine? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The ACM student chapter at Virginia Tech has a FreeBSD machine for our members use which I administrate. Recently FreeBSD was installed on this machine in favor of NetBSD, and we are experiencing frequent machine hangs. It appears the hangs are hardware related, as they also occurred in NetBSD. Unfortunately what happens is the machine gets frozen on a vty, and does not go through a clean reboot. Does anyone know of a diagnostic utility that could either constantly spew information to disk, or (preferably) across the net to a machine that's more stable so we can find out what's going on? Any help whatsoever is appreciated; we really need to get the machine stable. Thanks! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead -> Virginia Tech Center for Transportation Research - -> Multiple Platform System and Network Administration Work Related -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu | mmead@goof.com <- All Other ---- ------- WWW -> http://www.goof.com/~mmead --- ----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 07:45:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA25690 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 07:45:47 -0700 Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA25681 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 07:45:42 -0700 Received: (from bugs@localhost) by ns1.win.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA29131 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 May 1995 10:47:39 -0400 From: Mark Hittinger Message-Id: <199505221447.KAA29131@ns1.win.net> Subject: multi virtual web sites To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 10:47:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1046 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao's message earlier this weekend made me pick up one of my backburner projects and see if FreeBSD was up to the task. Dare I even think it? :-) Brian is right, the ifconfig alias supports multiple aliases per ethernet port, unlike most unix's that support one. How convenient!! You learn something new every day. So if you grab the patches for your web server from: http://www.thesphere.com/%7Edlp/TwoServers You get to have more than TwoServers since you happen to be a FreeBSD person. Beat that drum! Pound! Pound! I use the CERN httpd and the patches went in very easily. I had to fool around a little bit with the technique. The bind() call needs to be executed with privilege, so you have to run as root. This is nasty, however, the "parentuserid"/"parentgroupid" can get you around that little nasty. SO! Yet another FreeBSD solution to a major problem that I was putting off because 2 was not so good, and hacking a ppp loopback was going to take some time. This is great. Regards, Mark Hittinger bugs@win.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 08:53:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA26723 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 08:53:57 -0700 Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu (archive@cps201.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.201]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA26717 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 08:53:56 -0700 Received: (from archive@localhost) by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA26839; Mon, 22 May 1995 11:53:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 11:53:44 -0400 (EDT) From: CMU Mail Archive X-Sender: archive@cps201 Reply-To: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu To: mbailey@cps.cmich.edu cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: NCR SCSI 810 In-Reply-To: <199505202023.GAA13062@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have the 810 SCSI card that goes with my systems bios which is the new Intel Triton chipset motherboard made by ASUS it seems that after some compiling I get and Input / Output error and the machine hangs All I can do is hit the reset key and hope the drives fsck themselves back Does anyone have any clues as to why this happens? If so let me know . It sayd something about a specific line in the kernel code when it is timing out I am going to recrate that before sending this and let you know what it says hold on for intermission :) -- assertion "cp == np-> header.cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5395 assertion "cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5396 sd0(ncr0:0:0): COMMAND FAILED (4 28) @f1be8e00. Thats the error can anyone help me on this Thanks From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 09:35:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA27812 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 09:35:19 -0700 Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA27806 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 09:35:17 -0700 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA09559; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:35:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:35:50 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199505221635.MAA09559@Glock.COM> To: "Charles M. Hannum" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Diagnostics for a hanging machine? In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, May 22, 1995 11:36:44 -0400 References: <199505221427.KAA09095@Glock.COM> <199505221536.LAA09366@duality.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, May 22, 1995 at 11:36:44 (-0400), Charles M. Hannum wrote: > Could you describe the hardware configuration of the machine? Also, > what release of NetBSD were you using? The hardware configuration of the machine is as follows: 486dx2/66 Intel CPU, EISA motherboard (not sure of maker, can check if it's helpful), 16M ram, BusTek 742a SCSI controller (shows up as aha), 639M Maxtor SCSI I drive, standard vga type video card, NE2000 Clone ethernet card. We were running NetBSD pre-1.0. It was like a week prior to 1.0 for NetBSD. -matt -- Matthew C. Mead -> Virginia Tech Center for Transportation Research - -> Multiple Platform System and Network Administration Work Related -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu | mmead@goof.com <- All Other ---- ------- WWW -> http://www.goof.com/~mmead --- ----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 09:57:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA28042 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 09:57:18 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA28035 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 09:57:09 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <121>; Mon, 22 May 1995 10:12:30 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 10:12:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Mark Hittinger cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: multi virtual web sites In-Reply-To: <199505221447.KAA29131@ns1.win.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 May 1995, Mark Hittinger wrote: > Brian is right, the ifconfig alias supports multiple aliases per > ethernet port, unlike most unix's that support one. How convenient!! > You learn something new every day. This is supported on almost all BSD systems. Linux apparently does not support it, but there is patch for a 1.2.1 kernel, but is supposed to be rather crude. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 10:34:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA29400 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 10:34:04 -0700 Received: from seagull.rtd.com (root@Seagull.rtd.com [198.102.68.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA29394 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 10:34:03 -0700 Received: (from dgy@localhost) by seagull.rtd.com (8.6.12/8.6.9.1) id KAA27756 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Mon, 22 May 1995 10:34:01 -0700 From: Don Yuniskis Message-Id: <199505221734.KAA27756@seagull.rtd.com> Subject: PGPsendmail To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 10:34:01 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 271 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings! I've been scratching my head trying to figure out how to get the "official" port of PGPsendmail configured to work properly. (If I ignore the patches and just follow the *original* docs, things *seem* to work OK) Has anyone done this yet? Thx, --don From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 10:54:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA00383 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 10:54:41 -0700 Received: from rabbit.wmin.ac.uk (pp@rabbit.wmin.ac.uk [161.74.92.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA00261 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 10:54:17 -0700 Received: from osiris.cpc.wmin.ac.uk by rabbit.wmin.ac.uk with Internet SMTP (PP); Mon, 22 May 1995 18:19:04 +0100 Received: (from caussep@localhost) by osiris.cpc.wmin.ac.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA09024; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:23:07 +0100 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 20:23:07 +0100 From: Philippe Causse Message-Id: <199505221923.UAA09024@osiris.cpc.wmin.ac.uk> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org CC: caussep@osiris.cpc.wmin.ac.uk Subject: Patches... Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello guys (girls ?), I fixed a couple of bugs in FreeBSD-950412-SNAP. I thought it great to include them in your next release. DESCRIPTION: ~~~~~~~~~~~ These are: -> in yp_order() in lib/libc/gen/getpwent.c which caused some NIS programs to crash, -> in /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/ultra14f.c which caused SCSI errors not to be reported. For example, when doing a multi-volume restore, the end of tape is not detected and restore hangs indefinitely reading null bytes instead of EOF. -> in /usr/src/sys/scsi/(st.c,scsi_tape.h) -> and /usr/src/usr.bin/mt.* I added QFA (quick file access) commands which can be used on the Archive Viper 150 (SCSI-1, 250Mb, QIC-150). You can do "mt tell" and "mt seek blk_no", see the updated manpage. I don't really know how to send you the patches, maybe you'd like diff files but I changed the code indentation to the one used by EMACS. GETTING THEM: ~~~~~~~~~~~~ The total size is 144k. You can get them on our ftp server ftp://ftp.cpc.wmin.ac.uk/pub/archive/FreeBSD/patches-from-950412 (expanded) or ftp://ftp.cpc.wmin.ac.uk/pub/archive/FreeBSD/patches-from-950412.tar.gz (guess what it is !) ------------ I hope you will find them useful. Best regards and keep the good work going on ! Philippe. -- ________________________________________________________________________ Philippe CAUSSE, Researcher, | Work phone: +44/071-911-5000 ext. 3659 Centre for Parallel Computing | Home-phone: +44/081-963-0580 University of Westminster | 115 New Cavendish Street | E-mail: caussep@osiris.cpc.wmin.ac.uk LONDON W1M 8JS | United Kingdom | (FreeBSD 2.0) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 10:57:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA00650 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 10:57:06 -0700 Received: from bigdipper.iagi.net (bigdipper.iagi.net [198.6.14.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA00644 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 10:57:02 -0700 Received: (from adhir@localhost) by bigdipper.iagi.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) id NAA06326; Mon, 22 May 1995 13:56:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 13:56:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Alok K. Dhir" To: Philippe Charnier cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: sysctl(3) in kernel modules. In-Reply-To: <199505200842.KAA00523@lirmm.lirmm.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 20 May 1995, Philippe Charnier wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to patch the snake saver, in the way it can find itself the > name and version (i.e return value of uname -s and uname -r). The code > is made but it use sysctl(3) for now, ... and don't compile (sysctl is > part of libc). So far, we've been patching the snake saver (at the office) to say "Internet Access Group, Inc." instead of "FreeBSD 2.1". It would be nice if a "-string whatever" flag was added so the patch wouldn't be necessary. So as not to duplicate (or step on) your efforts, perhaps you should throw it in while you're working on it? Any comments/objections? Alok K. Dhir Internet Access Group, Inc. adhir@iagi.net (301) 652-0484 Fax: (301) 652-0649 http://www.iagi.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 10:57:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA00683 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 10:57:54 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA00677 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 10:57:50 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA05233; Mon, 22 May 1995 10:57:23 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505221757.KAA05233@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Diagnostics for a hanging machine? To: mmead@Glock.COM (matthew c. mead) Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 10:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505221427.KAA09095@Glock.COM> from "matthew c. mead" at May 22, 95 10:27:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1173 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > The ACM student chapter at Virginia Tech has a FreeBSD machine for > our members use which I administrate. Recently FreeBSD was installed on > this machine in favor of NetBSD, and we are experiencing frequent machine > hangs. It appears the hangs are hardware related, as they also occurred in > NetBSD. Unfortunately what happens is the machine gets frozen on a vty, > and does not go through a clean reboot. Does anyone know of a diagnostic > utility that could either constantly spew information to disk, or > (preferably) across the net to a machine that's more stable so we can find > out what's going on? Any help whatsoever is appreciated; we really need to > get the machine stable. Thanks! Infinite network copy: rcp /dev/zero someremotehost:/someremotedir/someremotefile Infinite disk copy: dd if=/dev/zero of=/somedir/somefile Could you go into gory details about what the hardware is so that I might be able to spot something that might lay a hand on just what it is that might be broken? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 11:08:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA00970 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 11:08:59 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA00964 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 11:08:55 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA05284; Mon, 22 May 1995 11:08:28 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505221808.LAA05284@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: NCR SCSI 810 To: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 11:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Cc: mbailey@cps.cmich.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "CMU Mail Archive" at May 22, 95 11:53:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1207 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I have the 810 SCSI card that goes with my systems bios which is the new > Intel Triton chipset motherboard made by ASUS it seems that after some > compiling I get and Input / Output error and the machine hangs > All I can do is hit the reset key and hope the drives fsck themselves back > Does anyone have any clues as to why this happens? > > If so let me know . It sayd something about a specific line in the kernel > code when it is timing out I am going to recrate that before sending this > and let you know what it says > > hold on for intermission :) Please provide details as to just what model disk drive you have. I have seen this type of problem on rare occasion, usually during a reboot on the way down. It only occurs if I have my Quantum PD1225 in the system. > > assertion "cp == np-> header.cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5395 > assertion "cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5396 > sd0(ncr0:0:0): COMMAND FAILED (4 28) @f1be8e00. > > > Thats the error can anyone help me on this > Thanks > > > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 11:11:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA01032 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 11:11:14 -0700 Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA01025 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 11:11:12 -0700 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA10003; Mon, 22 May 1995 14:12:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:12:02 -0400 Resent-From: "matthew c. mead" Resent-Message-Id: <199505221812.OAA10003@Glock.COM> Message-Id: <199505221812.OAA10003@Glock.COM> Resent-To: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, May 22, 1995 10:57:23 -0700 References: <199505221427.KAA09095@Glock.COM> <199505221757.KAA05233@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> From: mmead@Glock.COM (matthew c. mead) To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Subject: Re: Diagnostics for a hanging machine? Date: Mon, 22 May 95 14:11:26 EDT Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, May 22, 1995 at 10:57:23 (-0700), Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > The ACM student chapter at Virginia Tech has a FreeBSD machine for > > our members use which I administrate. Recently FreeBSD was installed on > > this machine in favor of NetBSD, and we are experiencing frequent machine > > hangs. It appears the hangs are hardware related, as they also occurred in > > NetBSD. Unfortunately what happens is the machine gets frozen on a vty, > > and does not go through a clean reboot. Does anyone know of a diagnostic > > utility that could either constantly spew information to disk, or > > (preferably) across the net to a machine that's more stable so we can find > > out what's going on? Any help whatsoever is appreciated; we really need to > > get the machine stable. Thanks! > Infinite network copy: > rcp /dev/zero someremotehost:/someremotedir/someremotefile > Infinite disk copy: > dd if=/dev/zero of=/somedir/somefile I will try these out tonight. > Could you go into gory details about what the hardware is so that I > might be able to spot something that might lay a hand on just what > it is that might be broken? It's a 486dx2/66 on an EISA motherboard (not sure whose, I can check if it's helpful) with 16M ram, a MAXTOR 639M SCSI I drive, a BusTek 742a SCSI controller, a plain jane vga card, and an NE2000 clone. In the past we were running NetBSD and had hangs with this same NE2000 ethernet card. Switching to a WD ethernet card stopped the hangs but it would still panic and reboot sometimes. I want to order an SMC card and see if it stops. Speaking of which, do you sell them? -matt -- Matthew C. Mead -> Virginia Tech Center for Transportation Research - -> Multiple Platform System and Network Administration Work Related -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu | mmead@goof.com <- All Other ---- ------- WWW -> http://www.goof.com/~mmead --- ----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 11:12:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA01078 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 11:12:26 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA01071 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 11:12:21 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA05304; Mon, 22 May 1995 11:12:00 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505221812.LAA05304@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Diagnostics for a hanging machine? To: mmead@Glock.COM (matthew c. mead) Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 11:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505221635.MAA09559@Glock.COM> from "matthew c. mead" at May 22, 95 12:35:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1159 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Mon, May 22, 1995 at 11:36:44 (-0400), Charles M. Hannum wrote: > > > Could you describe the hardware configuration of the machine? Also, > > what release of NetBSD were you using? > > The hardware configuration of the machine is as follows: 486dx2/66 > Intel CPU, EISA motherboard (not sure of maker, can check if it's helpful), > 16M ram, BusTek 742a SCSI controller (shows up as aha), 639M Maxtor SCSI I ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Though running the BusLogic/BusTek 742a with the aha driver does work, it is marginal at best. You should be using the bt742.c driver!! This is probably why you have seen problems on both NetBSD and FreeBSD with this system. Convert to using the bt742 driver (should actually be automatic in FreeBSD, unless perhaps you have your bt742 set to 1542 emulation mode). > drive, standard vga type video card, NE2000 Clone ethernet card. > > We were running NetBSD pre-1.0. It was like a week prior to 1.0 > for NetBSD. > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 11:42:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA01806 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 11:42:42 -0700 Received: from Sun.COM (koriel.Sun.COM [192.9.9.64]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA01800 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 11:42:40 -0700 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (koriel.Sun.COM) id AA19776; Mon, 22 May 95 11:42:38 PDT Received: from logrus.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA23454; Mon, 22 May 1995 11:42:30 -0700 Received: by logrus.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02695; Mon, 22 May 1995 11:42:44 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 11:42:44 -0700 From: Eric.Vanbezooijen@Eng.Sun.COM (Eric van Bezooijen) Message-Id: <9505221842.AA02695@logrus.Eng.Sun.COM> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD install failure on ASUS/NCR PCI system X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to install FreeBSD on a ASUS 90 Mhz Pentium system (16 Mb RAM, 512 Kb cache), with a NCR PCI scsi card (53c810 based). I have two drives, a Quantum 1.0 Gb and a Quantum 4.3 Gb drive. My 1.0 Gb drive has 1 DOS partition (the whole drive). I wanted to set up a small (128 Mb) partition on the 4.3 Gb drive for DOS, and install FreeBSD on the rest of the 4.3 Gb drive. However, I cannot get FreeBSD to boot up and recognize my SCSI disks. When the boot sequence is setting up devices, I get the following error: Changing root device to fd0c sd0(ncr0:0:0); assertion "cp == np->header.cp" failed: file "../../i386/pci/ncr.c", line 5172 ncr0 targ 0?: ERROR (80:100:29) (8/13)@ 360cc:e000000). ncr0: restart (fatal error) ncr0: aborting job... After a while I get: DOS partition I/O error In the install menu, neither of my drives is listed. If I disconnect my 4.3 Gb drive, FreeBSD recognises my 1.0 Gb drive fine, and I get no errors at all. I tried formatting the entire 4.3 Gb drive as 1 DOS partition, I tried creating a 128 Mb DOS partition. I also tried swapping the drives in the SCSI chain, I tried experimenting with different SCSI termination schemes (I still haven't figured out if the "TER" jumper on the drives means SCSI termination, and if it does, whether or not jumpering it means disabling or enabling SCSI termination). I tried using the 1 Gb drive as target 0, and the 4.3 Gb as target 1, and vice-versa. Any clues ? I really want to make FreeBSD work! Is my hard drive too large (4.3 Gb) ? -Eric "I'm a smarty everyday!"- Beanie the Cerebrally-challenged bison, Animaniacs Eric van Bezooijen | "Faboo!"- Wakko Warner, Animaniacs [Warlord *THIS*] eric@csua.berkeley.edu | "Oh joy of Joys!"- Stimpson J. Cat, Ren & Stimpy eric.vanbezooijen@sun.com | "Spoon!"- The Tick [Pixies and Talking Heads rule!] From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 12:03:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA02276 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:03:00 -0700 Received: from Sun.COM (koriel.Sun.COM [192.9.9.64]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA02270 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:02:59 -0700 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (koriel.Sun.COM) id AA25203; Mon, 22 May 95 12:02:57 PDT Received: from logrus.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA26264; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:02:52 -0700 Received: by logrus.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02864; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:03:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:03:08 -0700 From: Eric.Vanbezooijen@Eng.Sun.COM (Eric van Bezooijen) Message-Id: <9505221903.AA02864@logrus.Eng.Sun.COM> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD install failure on ASUS/NCR PCI system X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I forgot to add: I am installing from the January 1995 CD-ROM, which I just got fresh in the mail from Walnut Creek CD-ROM. It's FreeBSD version 2.0. -Eric "I'm a smarty everyday!"- Beanie the Cerebrally-challenged bison, Animaniacs Eric van Bezooijen | "Faboo!"- Wakko Warner, Animaniacs [Warlord *THIS*] eric@csua.berkeley.edu | "Oh joy of Joys!"- Stimpson J. Cat, Ren & Stimpy eric.vanbezooijen@sun.com | "Spoon!"- The Tick [Pixies and Talking Heads rule!] From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 12:06:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA02439 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:06:30 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA02429 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:06:19 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA05429; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:05:58 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505221905.MAA05429@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD install failure on ASUS/NCR PCI system To: Eric.Vanbezooijen@Eng.Sun.COM (Eric van Bezooijen) Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9505221842.AA02695@logrus.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Eric van Bezooijen" at May 22, 95 11:42:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2270 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I'm trying to install FreeBSD on a ASUS 90 Mhz Pentium system (16 Mb RAM, > 512 Kb cache), with a NCR PCI scsi card (53c810 based). > > I have two drives, a Quantum 1.0 Gb and a Quantum 4.3 Gb drive. My 1.0 > Gb drive has 1 DOS partition (the whole drive). I wanted to set up a small > (128 Mb) partition on the 4.3 Gb drive for DOS, and install FreeBSD on > the rest of the 4.3 Gb drive. We know that we are having problems with the Quantum Grand Prix 4.3G drive, does this drive work fine under DOS/Windows?? (I have not been able to test it here since I don't have one, the failure reports I have from Jordan are for FreeBSD only. If infact the drive works fine under DOS/Windows on the ncr controller I will see what I can do about makeing it work under FreeBSD, if the drive has problems under DOS/Windows I can't do much about it :-(. I have some strong suspecions about the ncr scsi sequencer code we are using since I have at least one devices that works fine with DOS but fails to work with FreeBSD on the exact same controller/mb setup. There have been some resently submitted patches, but they simply defeat sync negotation and such, and this device I am having problems with should do sync (seem to recall it doing sync on my bt445). > However, I cannot get FreeBSD to boot up and recognize my SCSI disks. When > the boot sequence is setting up devices, I get the following error: > > Changing root device to fd0c > sd0(ncr0:0:0); assertion "cp == np->header.cp" failed: > file "../../i386/pci/ncr.c", line 5172 > ncr0 targ 0?: ERROR (80:100:29) (8/13)@ 360cc:e000000). > ncr0: restart (fatal error) > ncr0: aborting job... > > After a while I get: > DOS partition I/O error Yep, basically the same thing every one with a Quantum Grand Prix and a NCR 810 controller is reporting.... ... > Any clues ? I really want to make FreeBSD work! Is my hard drive too large > (4.3 Gb) ? It is not the size of the drive, it is that particular model we are having problem with (note, the Grand Prix is a SCSI-III device, I run Atlas drives here which are SCSI-II without these problems). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 14:09:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA02645 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:14:06 -0700 Received: from Sun.COM (koriel.Sun.COM [192.9.9.64]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA02639 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:14:05 -0700 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (koriel.Sun.COM) id AA28039; Mon, 22 May 95 12:13:55 PDT Received: from logrus.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA27460; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:13:52 -0700 Received: by logrus.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02946; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:14:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:14:08 -0700 From: Eric.Vanbezooijen@Eng.Sun.COM (Eric van Bezooijen) Message-Id: <9505221914.AA02946@logrus.Eng.Sun.COM> To: Eric.Vanbezooijen@Eng.Sun.COM, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD install failure on ASUS/NCR PCI system Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > From rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Mon May 22 12:06 PDT 1995 > From: "Rodney W. Grimes" > Subject: Re: FreeBSD install failure on ASUS/NCR PCI system > To: Eric.Vanbezooijen@Eng (Eric van Bezooijen) > Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:05:57 -0700 (PDT) > Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > I'm trying to install FreeBSD on a ASUS 90 Mhz Pentium system (16 Mb RAM, > > 512 Kb cache), with a NCR PCI scsi card (53c810 based). > > > > I have two drives, a Quantum 1.0 Gb and a Quantum 4.3 Gb drive. My 1.0 > > Gb drive has 1 DOS partition (the whole drive). I wanted to set up a small > > (128 Mb) partition on the 4.3 Gb drive for DOS, and install FreeBSD on > > the rest of the 4.3 Gb drive. > > We know that we are having problems with the Quantum Grand Prix 4.3G drive, > does this drive work fine under DOS/Windows?? (I have not been able > to test it here since I don't have one, the failure reports I have from > Jordan are for FreeBSD only. If infact the drive works fine under > DOS/Windows on the ncr controller I will see what I can do about makeing > it work under FreeBSD, if the drive has problems under DOS/Windows I can't > do much about it :-(. It is in fact a Quantum Grand Prix drive. Model XP32151 DOS seems to install on it just fine. I haven't tried Wind0ze yet. > I have some strong suspecions about the ncr scsi sequencer code we are > using since I have at least one devices that works fine with DOS but > fails to work with FreeBSD on the exact same controller/mb setup. > > There have been some resently submitted patches, but they simply defeat > sync negotation and such, and this device I am having problems with > should do sync (seem to recall it doing sync on my bt445). > > > However, I cannot get FreeBSD to boot up and recognize my SCSI disks. When > > the boot sequence is setting up devices, I get the following error: > > > > Changing root device to fd0c > > sd0(ncr0:0:0); assertion "cp == np->header.cp" failed: > > file "../../i386/pci/ncr.c", line 5172 > > ncr0 targ 0?: ERROR (80:100:29) (8/13)@ 360cc:e000000). > > ncr0: restart (fatal error) > > ncr0: aborting job... > > > > After a while I get: > > DOS partition I/O error > > Yep, basically the same thing every one with a Quantum Grand Prix and > a NCR 810 controller is reporting.... > > ... > > Any clues ? I really want to make FreeBSD work! Is my hard drive too large > > (4.3 Gb) ? > > It is not the size of the drive, it is that particular model we are > having problem with (note, the Grand Prix is a SCSI-III device, I > run Atlas drives here which are SCSI-II without these problems). Would a call to Quantum be in order here ? Is there an e-mail address for Quantum ? Although, if this is such a new problem, they might not even know yet... -Eric > > > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 16:24:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA00834 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 16:24:39 -0700 Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA04785 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 13:27:05 -0700 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA10490; Mon, 22 May 1995 16:27:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:27:40 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199505222027.QAA10490@Glock.COM> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Diagnostics for a hanging machine? In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, May 22, 1995 11:23:49 -0700 References: <199505221811.OAA09999@Glock.COM> <199505221823.LAA05353@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, May 22, 1995 at 11:23:49 (-0700), Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > I think I spotted your problem in your response to Mycroft, it looked > like you where using the aha driver for the bt card. Could you please > send me the output of dmesg from booting this box with FreeBSD? If > infact you are using the aha driver it would explain a *lot* of the > problem. Well, I spend about an hour with the machine trying to figure out how to get it to recognize the controller as bt0. No go. How do I get the BT742 into NON Adaptec 1542 mode? I have it at 0x330, irq 12, and the bt0 device does *not* recognize it. Once it's probed and fails, it picks it up as aha0. Any ideas? Thanks for the help! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead -> Virginia Tech Center for Transportation Research - -> Multiple Platform System and Network Administration Work Related -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu | mmead@goof.com <- All Other ---- ------- WWW -> http://www.goof.com/~mmead --- ----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 16:24:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA00842 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 16:24:40 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA03479 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:44:18 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id PAA21749; Mon, 22 May 1995 15:44:41 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199505221944.PAA21749@hda.com> Subject: Review this hardware please To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 15:44:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2813 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Our ISP, Intuitive Information (iii.net) is installing their new Pentium system. Up to now they've been using a 486DX2-66 running FreeBSD 1.1, and now they are upgrading to a PCI Pentium running 1.1.5.1. With the recent comments about Buslogic controllers and broken motherboards I'd like to bounce the configuration off the group so that we can help head off some problems. The system will apparently be going into production tonight. This will be their login system and will be a heavily used system. Some of the subscribers have been complaining about FreeBSD 1.1 stability (even when it is broken hardware) and posting "why don't you get a real system like BSDI" comments. So here is their description of the new system, a few more details, and the dmesg output. > iii2 is a Pentium P90 (Intel SX957) with an Intel Neptune > motherboard with the Neptune PCI chipset. We've got 64 Meg of memory in > it. The 32-bit, fast SCSI-2 controller (to which we'll migrate the SCSI disks > soon) can transfer 132 MBytes/sec in burst mode. It's a BusLogic BT-946C. I got this additional info from them: > Neptune-ISA Rev 1.A MBD-P90NG2 > PCI chipset: Intel S82433NX > Award ISA/PCI 586 Bios > Intel SX957 P90 CPU > BT-946C Rev Ae Here is their dmesg output: > FreeBSD 1.1.5.1(RELEASE) (III1) #0: Thu May 18 00:49:10 EDT 1995 > wink@nic.iii.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/III1-04 > CPU: i586 (586-class CPU) Id = 0x524 Origin = "GenuineIntel" > real memory = 66715648 (16288 pages) > avail memory = 64745472 (15807 pages) > using 819 buffers containing 6709248 bytes of memory > Probing for devices on the ISA bus: > pc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard > pc0: type color > sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa > sio0: type 16450 > fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa > fdc0: [0: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in] > wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa > wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): > wd0: 515MB (1056384 total sec), 1048 cyl, 16 head, 63 sec, bytes/sec 512 > wdc0: unit 1 (wd1): > wd1: 516MB (1058400 total sec), 1050 cyl, 16 head, 63 sec, bytes/sec 512 > bt0: PCI/EISA/VLB(32bit) bus detected > bt0: reading board settings, eisa dma, int=11 > bt0: version 4.2, sync, parity, 32 mbxs, 32 ccbs > bt0: targ 0 offset=08, period=200nsec > bt0: Enabling Round robin scheme > bt0 at 0x330 irq 11 on isa > bt0 targ 0 lun 0: type 0(direct) fixed SCSI1 > bt0 targ 0 lun 0: > sd0: 100MB (205075 total sec), 1019 cyl, 6 head, 33 sec, bytes/sec 512 > ed0 at 0x280-0x29f irq 5 on isa > ed0: address 00:20:c5:00:fa:8d, type NE2000 (16 bit) > npx0 on motherboard Questions? Comments? Criticisms? -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 16:24:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA00824 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 16:24:37 -0700 Received: from xanth.cps.cmich.edu (mbailey@xanth.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA04197 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 13:14:05 -0700 Received: (from mbailey@localhost) by xanth.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA05527; Mon, 22 May 1995 16:13:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:13:44 -0400 (EDT) From: M BAILEY X-Sender: mbailey@xanth To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: NCR SCSI 810 In-Reply-To: <199505221808.LAA05284@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 May 1995, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > Please provide details as to just what model disk drive you have. I have > seen this type of problem on rare occasion, usually during a reboot on > the way down. It only occurs if I have my Quantum PD1225 in the system. > > > > > assertion "cp == np-> header.cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5395 > > assertion "cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5396 > > sd0(ncr0:0:0): COMMAND FAILED (4 28) @f1be8e00. Maybe this will be a bit better for clarity on wich drives bash# ncrcontrol T:L Vendor Device Rev Speed Max Wide Tags 0:0 SEAGATE ST11200N 7900 10.0 10.0 8 4 1:0 MICROP 1924-21MZ1077801 HZ2P ? 5.0 ? - 5:0 ShinaKen CD-ROM DM-3x1S 1.04 ? 5.0 ? - 6:0 PLEXTOR CD-ROM PX-4XCH 1.23 4.0 10.0 8 - Does that help? From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 16:24:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA00830 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 16:24:38 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA02777 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:16:10 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14404(5)>; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:14:06 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <49871>; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:13:57 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: NCR SCSI 810 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 22 May 95 08:53:44 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:13:46 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95May22.121357pdt.49871@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message you write: >assertion "cp == np-> header.cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5395 >assertion "cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5396 >sd0(ncr0:0:0): COMMAND FAILED (4 28) @f1be8e00. If it helps, this is the error I was getting when I had my NCR card set for INTB when the BIOS expected it to be on INTA. Not really sure what exactly was going on, but I certainly saw this error a lot when I had it in that configuration. Bill From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 16:28:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA00914 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 16:28:58 -0700 Received: from Sun.COM (koriel.Sun.COM [192.9.9.64]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA02639 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:14:05 -0700 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (koriel.Sun.COM) id AA28039; Mon, 22 May 95 12:13:55 PDT Received: from logrus.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA27460; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:13:52 -0700 Received: by logrus.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02946; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:14:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:14:08 -0700 From: Eric.Vanbezooijen@Eng.Sun.COM (Eric van Bezooijen) Message-Id: <9505221914.AA02946@logrus.Eng.Sun.COM> To: Eric.Vanbezooijen@Eng.Sun.COM, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD install failure on ASUS/NCR PCI system Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Mon May 22 12:06 PDT 1995 > From: "Rodney W. Grimes" > Subject: Re: FreeBSD install failure on ASUS/NCR PCI system > To: Eric.Vanbezooijen@Eng (Eric van Bezooijen) > Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:05:57 -0700 (PDT) > Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > I'm trying to install FreeBSD on a ASUS 90 Mhz Pentium system (16 Mb RAM, > > 512 Kb cache), with a NCR PCI scsi card (53c810 based). > > > > I have two drives, a Quantum 1.0 Gb and a Quantum 4.3 Gb drive. My 1.0 > > Gb drive has 1 DOS partition (the whole drive). I wanted to set up a small > > (128 Mb) partition on the 4.3 Gb drive for DOS, and install FreeBSD on > > the rest of the 4.3 Gb drive. > > We know that we are having problems with the Quantum Grand Prix 4.3G drive, > does this drive work fine under DOS/Windows?? (I have not been able > to test it here since I don't have one, the failure reports I have from > Jordan are for FreeBSD only. If infact the drive works fine under > DOS/Windows on the ncr controller I will see what I can do about makeing > it work under FreeBSD, if the drive has problems under DOS/Windows I can't > do much about it :-(. It is in fact a Quantum Grand Prix drive. Model XP32151 DOS seems to install on it just fine. I haven't tried Wind0ze yet. > I have some strong suspecions about the ncr scsi sequencer code we are > using since I have at least one devices that works fine with DOS but > fails to work with FreeBSD on the exact same controller/mb setup. > > There have been some resently submitted patches, but they simply defeat > sync negotation and such, and this device I am having problems with > should do sync (seem to recall it doing sync on my bt445). > > > However, I cannot get FreeBSD to boot up and recognize my SCSI disks. When > > the boot sequence is setting up devices, I get the following error: > > > > Changing root device to fd0c > > sd0(ncr0:0:0); assertion "cp == np->header.cp" failed: > > file "../../i386/pci/ncr.c", line 5172 > > ncr0 targ 0?: ERROR (80:100:29) (8/13)@ 360cc:e000000). > > ncr0: restart (fatal error) > > ncr0: aborting job... > > > > After a while I get: > > DOS partition I/O error > > Yep, basically the same thing every one with a Quantum Grand Prix and > a NCR 810 controller is reporting.... > > ... > > Any clues ? I really want to make FreeBSD work! Is my hard drive too large > > (4.3 Gb) ? > > It is not the size of the drive, it is that particular model we are > having problem with (note, the Grand Prix is a SCSI-III device, I > run Atlas drives here which are SCSI-II without these problems). Would a call to Quantum be in order here ? Is there an e-mail address for Quantum ? Although, if this is such a new problem, they might not even know yet... -Eric > > > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 16:29:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA00932 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 16:29:15 -0700 Received: from rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA00925 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 16:29:13 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rwwa.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA01680 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 19:31:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199505222331.TAA01680@rwwa.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rwwa.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: ijppp for 2.0R users? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 19:31:38 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Please tell me that I have more than two chances of getting this to work (slim and none). Please... Seriously, what is the minimum set of changes I need to make to my 2.0R system to get ijppp to work? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430 Net: witr@rwwa.COM R.W. Withrow Associates, 319 Lynnway Suite 201, Lynn MA 01901 USA From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 16:30:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA00971 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 16:30:13 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA03050 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:29:56 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA05481; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:29:35 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505221929.MAA05481@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD install failure on ASUS/NCR PCI system To: Eric.Vanbezooijen@Eng.Sun.COM (Eric van Bezooijen) Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Eric.Vanbezooijen@Eng.Sun.COM, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9505221914.AA02946@logrus.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Eric van Bezooijen" at May 22, 95 12:14:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3516 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > From rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Mon May 22 12:06 PDT 1995 > > From: "Rodney W. Grimes" > > Subject: Re: FreeBSD install failure on ASUS/NCR PCI system > > To: Eric.Vanbezooijen@Eng (Eric van Bezooijen) > > Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:05:57 -0700 (PDT) > > Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to install FreeBSD on a ASUS 90 Mhz Pentium system (16 Mb RAM, > > > 512 Kb cache), with a NCR PCI scsi card (53c810 based). > > > > > > I have two drives, a Quantum 1.0 Gb and a Quantum 4.3 Gb drive. My 1.0 > > > Gb drive has 1 DOS partition (the whole drive). I wanted to set up a small > > > (128 Mb) partition on the 4.3 Gb drive for DOS, and install FreeBSD on > > > the rest of the 4.3 Gb drive. > > > > We know that we are having problems with the Quantum Grand Prix 4.3G drive, > > does this drive work fine under DOS/Windows?? (I have not been able > > to test it here since I don't have one, the failure reports I have from > > Jordan are for FreeBSD only. If infact the drive works fine under > > DOS/Windows on the ncr controller I will see what I can do about makeing > > it work under FreeBSD, if the drive has problems under DOS/Windows I can't > > do much about it :-(. > > It is in fact a Quantum Grand Prix drive. Model XP32151 > > DOS seems to install on it just fine. I haven't tried Wind0ze yet. Okay, then we have a FreeBSD problem, I will stop pointing my finger at Quantum or NCR. The problem is in the NCR sequencer code or the driver :-(. > > I have some strong suspecions about the ncr scsi sequencer code we are > > using since I have at least one devices that works fine with DOS but > > fails to work with FreeBSD on the exact same controller/mb setup. > > > > There have been some resently submitted patches, but they simply defeat > > sync negotation and such, and this device I am having problems with > > should do sync (seem to recall it doing sync on my bt445). > > > > > However, I cannot get FreeBSD to boot up and recognize my SCSI disks. When > > > the boot sequence is setting up devices, I get the following error: > > > > > > Changing root device to fd0c > > > sd0(ncr0:0:0); assertion "cp == np->header.cp" failed: > > > file "../../i386/pci/ncr.c", line 5172 > > > ncr0 targ 0?: ERROR (80:100:29) (8/13)@ 360cc:e000000). > > > ncr0: restart (fatal error) > > > ncr0: aborting job... > > > > > > After a while I get: > > > DOS partition I/O error > > > > Yep, basically the same thing every one with a Quantum Grand Prix and > > a NCR 810 controller is reporting.... > > > > ... > > > Any clues ? I really want to make FreeBSD work! Is my hard drive too large > > > (4.3 Gb) ? > > > > It is not the size of the drive, it is that particular model we are > > having problem with (note, the Grand Prix is a SCSI-III device, I > > run Atlas drives here which are SCSI-II without these problems). > > Would a call to Quantum be in order here ? Is there an e-mail address for > Quantum ? Although, if this is such a new problem, they might not even > know yet... No, it is not Quantum's problem if you can use the SDMS NCR bios and the drive under DOS. It is a FreeBSD problem that we will have to deal with :-(. Quantum is on the internet, web site is www.quantum.com. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 16:46:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA01582 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 16:46:45 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA01575 ; Mon, 22 May 1995 16:46:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Peter Dufault cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Review this hardware please In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 22 May 95 15:44:41 EDT." <199505221944.PAA21749@hda.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:46:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1574.801186402@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Some of the subscribers have been complaining about FreeBSD 1.1 > stability (even when it is broken hardware) and posting "why don't > you get a real system like BSDI" comments. I wonder at comments like this.. I'm not knocking BSDI, but I've heard that it's not entirely difficult to get BSDI to fall over either and have to question the judgement of someone who would blindly assume BSDI to be "a real system" in comparison to ours (they're both REAL, and any inference to the contrary is simply unfair). If the comment had been something more like "why don't you get a system with real support like BSDI" then that would be a different comment entirely. Oh well. Enough whining about knee-jerk reactionaries and on to the substance of your message.. > > iii2 is a Pentium P90 (Intel SX957) with an Intel Neptune > > motherboard with the Neptune PCI chipset. We've got 64 Meg of memory in > > it. The 32-bit, fast SCSI-2 controller (to which we'll migrate the SCSI dis Should work. ASUS motherboard? They're not without warts, but they seems to be less warty than any of the other PCI motherboards I've tested. > > soon) can transfer 132 MBytes/sec in burst mode. It's a BusLogic BT-946C. See my previous comments about Buslogic. If you can ensure good firmware then it should be no problem. I'm using a 4.21 board in my own ASUS box. > > BT-946C Rev Ae I'm told that this revision is OK, though I haven't been able to personally verify it yet. Everything else looks just fine. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 17:05:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA02091 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 17:05:33 -0700 Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA02064 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 17:05:26 -0700 Received: from tama3 (tama3 [202.32.13.252]) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) with SMTP id JAA06097; Tue, 23 May 1995 09:00:39 +0900 Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 09:00:39 +0900 Message-Id: <199505230000.JAA06097@specgw.spec.co.jp> To: mmead@Glock.COM Cc: mycroft@ai.mit.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Diagnostics for a hanging machine? In-Reply-To: <199505221635.MAA09559@Glock.COM> From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQjwwZhsoSg==?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCPV8bKEo=?= Atsushi Murai X-Mailer: AL-Mail for Windows(0.36B) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "matthew c. mead" wrotes: >On Mon, May 22, 1995 at 11:36:44 (-0400), Charles M. Hannum wrote: > > > Could you describe the hardware configuration of the machine? Also, > > what release of NetBSD were you using? > > The hardware configuration of the machine is as follows: 486dx2/66 >Intel CPU, EISA motherboard (not sure of maker, can check if it's helpful), >16M ram, BusTek 742a SCSI controller (shows up as aha), 639M Maxtor SCSI I ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You should NOT use aha driver for buslogic card, beacuse aha driver IS NOT for compatible aha1542 as Industry standard any more. >drive, standard vga type video card, NE2000 Clone ethernet card. > > We were running NetBSD pre-1.0. It was like a week prior to 1.0 >for NetBSD. > >-matt > >-- >Matthew C. Mead -> Virginia Tech Center for Transportation Research - > -> Multiple Platform System and Network Administration >Work Related -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu | mmead@goof.com <- All Other >---- ------- WWW -> http://www.goof.com/~mmead --- ----- > Atsushi. -- Atsushi Murai E-Mail: amurai@spec.co.jp SPEC Voice : +81-3-3833-5341 System Planning and Engineering Corp. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 17:17:20 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA02373 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 17:17:20 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA02367 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 17:17:15 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA06371; Mon, 22 May 1995 17:16:50 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505230016.RAA06371@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Review this hardware please To: dufault@hda.com (Peter Dufault) Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 17:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505221944.PAA21749@hda.com> from "Peter Dufault" at May 22, 95 03:44:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 4512 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Our ISP, Intuitive Information (iii.net) is installing their new > Pentium system. Up to now they've been using a 486DX2-66 running > FreeBSD 1.1, and now they are upgrading to a PCI Pentium running > 1.1.5.1. > > With the recent comments about Buslogic controllers and broken > motherboards I'd like to bounce the configuration off the group so > that we can help head off some problems. The system will apparently > be going into production tonight. > > This will be their login system and will be a heavily used system. > Some of the subscribers have been complaining about FreeBSD 1.1 > stability (even when it is broken hardware) and posting "why don't > you get a real system like BSDI" comments. See jkh's comments, I concur with him on this. BSDI can be made to fall over. FreeBSD 1.1 was known to be riddled with bugs, 1.1.5.1 should be rock solid stable for this application as long as you don't try to push the limits to much (the PCI code in 1.1.5.1 was early, so don't expect to be able to add anything else to the PCI bus in this box. The bt946 was well supported in that release, since it really just looks like an ISA bus card to FreeBSD. > So here is their description of the new system, a few more details, > and the dmesg output. > > > iii2 is a Pentium P90 (Intel SX957) with an Intel Neptune ^^^^^^^^^^^ Family 5, Model 2 Stepping 4 Manufacturing stepping B5, STD type part, known to be a good working Pentium Chip. (FYI, current production part is SX968, stepping 5, mfg stepping C2 as of my April 19th spec sheet list) > > motherboard with the Neptune PCI chipset. We've got 64 Meg of memory in > > it. The 32-bit, fast SCSI-2 controller (to which we'll migrate the SCSI > > disks > > soon) can transfer 132 MBytes/sec in burst mode. It's a BusLogic BT-946C. >From the dmesg this is a rev 4.2 BIOS, I have 4.21/4.84, you may want to check the firmware revision, there was some problems in 4.82 and 4.83. If the thing boots and runs FreeBSD then I would probably just leave it alone, often upgrading the BIOS will infact break it :-(. If you have problems with certail types of devices I would try to get the 4.21/4.84 BIOS/Firmware EPROMS for it. I don't have the right sockets for my prom burner or I would blow you a set :-(. > I got this additional info from them: > > > Neptune-ISA Rev 1.A MBD-P90NG2 Don't recognize this, who makes the MB?? > > PCI chipset: Intel S82433NX Okay. > > Award ISA/PCI 586 Bios Best PCI/Pentium BIOS I have seen! Should be at version 4.50 or later. > > Intel SX957 P90 CPU > > BT-946C Rev Ae > > Here is their dmesg output: > > > FreeBSD 1.1.5.1(RELEASE) (III1) #0: Thu May 18 00:49:10 EDT 1995 > > wink@nic.iii.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/III1-04 > > CPU: i586 (586-class CPU) Id = 0x524 Origin = "GenuineIntel" > > real memory = 66715648 (16288 pages) > > avail memory = 64745472 (15807 pages) > > using 819 buffers containing 6709248 bytes of memory > > Probing for devices on the ISA bus: > > pc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard > > pc0: type color > > sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa > > sio0: type 16450 > > fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa > > fdc0: [0: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in] > > wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa > > wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): > > wd0: 515MB (1056384 total sec), 1048 cyl, 16 head, 63 sec, bytes/sec 512 > > wdc0: unit 1 (wd1): > > wd1: 516MB (1058400 total sec), 1050 cyl, 16 head, 63 sec, bytes/sec 512 > > bt0: PCI/EISA/VLB(32bit) bus detected > > bt0: reading board settings, eisa dma, int=11 > > bt0: version 4.2, sync, parity, 32 mbxs, 32 ccbs > > bt0: targ 0 offset=08, period=200nsec > > bt0: Enabling Round robin scheme > > bt0 at 0x330 irq 11 on isa > > bt0 targ 0 lun 0: type 0(direct) fixed SCSI1 > > bt0 targ 0 lun 0: EEEKKKSSSS... I hope that was just for testing, that is an ancient SCSI-I disk that is about as slow as you can go :-(. What happens when they hang a fast SCSI-II drive on that bt946, they may need firmware updates. > > sd0: 100MB (205075 total sec), 1019 cyl, 6 head, 33 sec, bytes/sec 512 > > ed0 at 0x280-0x29f irq 5 on isa > > ed0: address 00:20:c5:00:fa:8d, type NE2000 (16 bit) > > npx0 on motherboard > > Questions? Comments? Criticisms? Other than the disk it all seems okay to me... -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 17:18:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA02403 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 17:18:50 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA02389 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 17:18:47 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA06382; Mon, 22 May 1995 17:18:25 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505230018.RAA06382@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Diagnostics for a hanging machine? To: mmead@Glock.COM (matthew c. mead) Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 17:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505222027.QAA10490@Glock.COM> from "matthew c. mead" at May 22, 95 04:27:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1051 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Mon, May 22, 1995 at 11:23:49 (-0700), Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > I think I spotted your problem in your response to Mycroft, it looked > > like you where using the aha driver for the bt card. Could you please > > send me the output of dmesg from booting this box with FreeBSD? If > > infact you are using the aha driver it would explain a *lot* of the > > problem. > > Well, I spend about an hour with the machine trying to figure out > how to get it to recognize the controller as bt0. No go. How do I get the > BT742 into NON Adaptec 1542 mode? I have it at 0x330, irq 12, and the bt0 > device does *not* recognize it. Once it's probed and fails, it picks it up > as aha0. Any ideas? Thanks for the help! Does it have an enhanced mode in the setup screen for it???? Can you send me the !BTxxxx.xxx EISA config file for it, I can probably figure it out from that. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 18:12:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA03102 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 18:12:23 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA03095 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 18:12:22 -0700 Message-Id: <199505230112.SAA03095@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA14722; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:12:19 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Buslogic and Tape Drives To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:12:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 613 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Okay, I finally have a Buslogic system I can use to test the massive bit splatter problems with. (When you write a DAT you 95% of the time end up destroying the attached hard drives). Who should I co-ordinate with to see that this massive bug gets fixed ASAP? God knows Im no kernel hacker (I like user space, much more friendly ;), so if the person who wrote/did recent work on the buslogic drivers could get with me I can provide testing time and details on the problem. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 18:13:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA03114 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 18:13:36 -0700 Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu (archive@cps201.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.201]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA03108 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 18:13:35 -0700 Received: (from archive@localhost) by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA02368; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:13:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:13:29 -0400 (EDT) From: CMU Mail Archive X-Sender: archive@cps201 Reply-To: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu To: Bill Fenner cc: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: NCR SCSI 810 In-Reply-To: <95May22.121357pdt.49871@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 May 1995, Bill Fenner wrote: > In message you write: > >assertion "cp == np-> header.cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5395 > >assertion "cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5396 > >sd0(ncr0:0:0): COMMAND FAILED (4 28) @f1be8e00. > > If it helps, this is the error I was getting when I had my NCR card set for > INTB when the BIOS expected it to be on INTA. Not really sure what exactly > was going on, but I certainly saw this error a lot when I had it in that > configuration. > > Bill > All ready running on INT A thats the cards default :/ I dunno I wish I could figure this out :) Or someone help me figure it out From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 18:22:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA03225 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 18:22:31 -0700 Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu (archive@cps201.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.201]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA03219 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 18:22:30 -0700 Received: (from archive@localhost) by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA02429; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:22:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:22:17 -0400 (EDT) From: CMU Mail Archive X-Sender: archive@cps201 Reply-To: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu To: "matthew c. mead" cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Diagnostics for a hanging machine? In-Reply-To: <199505222027.QAA10490@Glock.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 May 1995, matthew c. mead wrote: > On Mon, May 22, 1995 at 11:23:49 (-0700), Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > I think I spotted your problem in your response to Mycroft, it looked > > like you where using the aha driver for the bt card. Could you please > > send me the output of dmesg from booting this box with FreeBSD? If > > infact you are using the aha driver it would explain a *lot* of the > > problem. > > Well, I spend about an hour with the machine trying to figure out > how to get it to recognize the controller as bt0. No go. How do I get the > BT742 into NON Adaptec 1542 mode? I have it at 0x330, irq 12, and the bt0 > device does *not* recognize it. Once it's probed and fails, it picks it up > as aha0. Any ideas? Thanks for the help! > Take the board to 0x334 and recompile the kernel assuming you can get that far. We had a similar problem with ours we ended up putting in an adaptec to install on then recompiled the kernel and reinstalled the BusLogic. Hope that helps. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 18:26:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA03259 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 18:26:18 -0700 Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu (archive@cps201.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.201]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA03253 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 18:26:17 -0700 Received: (from archive@localhost) by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA02499; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:26:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:26:12 -0400 (EDT) From: CMU Mail Archive X-Sender: archive@cps201 Reply-To: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu To: Mark Hittinger cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: multi virtual web sites In-Reply-To: <199505221447.KAA29131@ns1.win.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 May 1995, Mark Hittinger wrote: > > I use the CERN httpd and the patches went in very easily. I had to > fool around a little bit with the technique. The bind() call needs > to be executed with privilege, so you have to run as root. This is > nasty, however, the "parentuserid"/"parentgroupid" can get you around > that little nasty. Run as ROOT! No way in hell! I installed the patch just nicly running -current and everything seems to work fine for me the pages are not set up correctly yet but www.cps.cmich.edu and www.journey.com both run on the same machine right now with out running as root :/ FGo figure? From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 18:32:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA03386 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 18:32:43 -0700 Received: from haven.ios.com (haven.ios.com [198.4.75.45]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA03378 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 18:32:41 -0700 Received: (from rashid@localhost) by haven.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA09921 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:35:29 -0400 From: "Rashid Karimov." Message-Id: <199505230135.VAA09921@haven.ios.com> Subject: XFree 3.1.1 question (Diamond/PCI/Bustec) To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:35:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1088 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi ther folx, The video card is Diamond Stealth 64 PCI. System alsohas a Bustec SCSI Bt946c controller. The problem: when I start X11 ( thru xdm for example ) , everything starts just fine - the picture is nice and steady. But when I log in and _just press keys on the keyboard, the screen image becomes very weird : for every key press you get fast line moving quickly down the screen - the white line with width between .5-2 inches. If you press keys quite often - it just becomes impossible to see anything on the screen When you start any program which outputs on the sceen - the same stuff happent - a lot of noisy lines move sporadically on the screen - mostly down. I;ve tried differnet monitors and couple of different cards, as well as tried to change card's slots - nothing helps. Played a lot with BIOS setups - with no effect as well . All the binaries , the same card and the monitor work just fine on other computer here - but the brands are different. That one which doesn't work is Comtech P90 with AMI BIOS. Any suggestions ? Rashid From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 19:50:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA05694 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 19:50:28 -0700 Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA05688 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 19:50:24 -0700 Received: (from bugs@localhost) by ns1.win.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA27625; Mon, 22 May 1995 22:52:36 -0400 From: Mark Hittinger Message-Id: <199505230252.WAA27625@ns1.win.net> Subject: Re: multi virtual web sites To: mbailey@gnu.ai.mit.edu Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 22:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "CMU Mail Archive" at May 22, 95 09:26:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1373 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Mon, 22 May 1995, Mark Hittinger wrote: > > > > I use the CERN httpd and the patches went in very easily. I had to > > fool around a little bit with the technique. The bind() call needs > > to be executed with privilege, so you have to run as root. This is > > nasty, however, the "parentuserid"/"parentgroupid" can get you around > > that little nasty. mbailey@gnu.mit.... wrote: > Run as ROOT! No way in hell! I installed the patch just nicly running > -current and everything seems to work fine for me the pages are not set > up correctly yet but www.cps.cmich.edu and www.journey.com both run on > the same machine right now with out running as root :/ > Hmmm well lets make sure we are talking apples and apples. Are we talking about port 80? I didn't use an inetd technique for these servers - I used the fork mode. I thought port 80 was a privileged port and you need some privilege to be able to bind to it. Are you saying that an unprivileged program can bind to port 80 on -current? I've seen some guys write a small root wrapper that gets the port and puts up a chroot/chdir jail then drops privs and exec's httpd.....maybe thats what you have? In any event parentuserid drops root privs right after the bind() call. I probably do need to code some sort of chroot jail cell for the httpd though. Regards, Mark Hittinger bugs@win.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 19:59:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA05989 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 19:59:48 -0700 Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu (mbailey@cps201.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.201]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA05980 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 19:59:45 -0700 Received: (from mbailey@localhost) by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA03252; Mon, 22 May 1995 22:59:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 22:59:40 -0400 (EDT) From: M BAILEY X-Sender: mbailey@cps201 To: Mark Hittinger cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: multi virtual web sites In-Reply-To: <199505230252.WAA27625@ns1.win.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 May 1995, Mark Hittinger wrote: > > I've seen some guys write a small root wrapper that gets the port and puts > up a chroot/chdir jail then drops privs and exec's httpd.....maybe thats what > you have? Sorta look at the config file for cern if you want I can send you mine the call as root the SUID to the specified user and group That has been part of the program for YEARS in both NCSA and CERN daemons. Why the hell would you need to write any wrappers for it when the code does it itself and yes they run on port 80 > > In any event parentuserid drops root privs right after the bind() call. > I probably do need to code some sort of chroot jail cell for the httpd > though. Why it is there! From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 20:04:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA06035 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:04:08 -0700 Received: from irbs.irbs.com (irbs.com [199.182.75.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA06029 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:04:03 -0700 Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id XAA03787; Mon, 22 May 1995 23:02:32 -0400 From: John Capo Message-Id: <199505230302.XAA03787@irbs.irbs.com> Subject: Re: ijppp for 2.0R users? To: witr@rwwa.com (Robert Withrow) Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 23:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (freebsd-hackers) In-Reply-To: <199505222331.TAA01680@rwwa.com> from "Robert Withrow" at May 22, 95 07:31:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 544 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Robert Withrow writes: > > Please tell me that I have more than two chances of > getting this to work (slim and none). Please... > > Seriously, what is the minimum set of changes I need > to make to my 2.0R system to get ijppp to work? > I can't speak for 2.0R but I have been using iijpp on this system and my router for a bi-directional dial-on-demand link for several months with -current. It works just peachy, as my SO would say! It is quite a bit eaiser to use than pppd. I would be suprized if you had any problems. John Capo From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 20:44:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA06569 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:44:00 -0700 Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA06556 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:43:21 -0700 Received: from tama3 (tama3 [202.32.13.252]) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) with SMTP id MAA08539; Tue, 23 May 1995 12:35:47 +0900 Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 12:35:47 +0900 Message-Id: <199505230335.MAA08539@specgw.spec.co.jp> To: witr@rwwa.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re:ijppp for 2.0R users? In-Reply-To: <199505222331.TAA01680@rwwa.com> From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQjwwZhsoSg==?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCPV8bKEo=?= Atsushi Murai X-Mailer: AL-Mail for Windows(0.36B) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Robert Withrow wrotes: >Please tell me that I have more than two chances of >getting this to work (slim and none). Please... >Seriously, what is the minimum set of changes I need >to make to my 2.0R system to get ijppp to work? I could not say "it's should be work on 2.0R", But as far as my experience both FreeBSD-2.X and iijppp, it's not difficult to work on 2.0R unless other parts(sio, tunnel driver) working well. So why don't you try to get a iijppp and tunnel device from FreeBSD-current and do it on your 2.0R ;-) Note: I have running current iijppp on FreeBSD 1.1.5R as our gateway ;-) >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430 Net: witr@rwwa.COM > R.W. Withrow Associates, 319 Lynnway Suite 201, Lynn MA 01901 USA Hope this is help. Atsushi. -- Atsushi Murai E-Mail: amurai@spec.co.jp SPEC Voice : +81-3-3833-5341 System Planning and Engineering Corp. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 20:50:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA06663 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:50:14 -0700 Received: from vivian.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (vivian.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.112]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA06656 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:50:12 -0700 Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by vivian.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.11/3.3W8:94122222) id MAA00364; Tue, 23 May 1995 12:50:11 +0900 Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 12:50:11 +0900 Message-Id: <199505230350.MAA00364@vivian.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: I need Easyacsess-like tools on FreeBSD From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I can't use my right hand because the "tenosynovitis?" got worth yesterday. I want console driver and/or X supports Easyaccess-like operation (especially, locking modifier keys). Moreover, a few handicapped people in our campus uses FreeBSD for their studies. They and I are so happy if FreeBSD and/or XFree86 supports such accessibility features. Thanks, -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 20:53:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA06708 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:53:04 -0700 Received: from mail.htp.com (mail.htp.com [199.171.4.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA06702 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:53:03 -0700 Received: from et.htp.com (et.htp.com [199.171.4.228]) by mail.htp.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA16565; Mon, 22 May 1995 23:36:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 23:36:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199505230336.XAA16565@mail.htp.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.htp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: davidg@Root.COM From: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) Subject: mbuf clusters being lost Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We've been having a problem losing mbufs with a driver that works ok with 2.0R and other BSD op/sys but not with current. It seems that clusters aren't been freed properly, although there are no mbufs that are not being freed with m_freem(). Something has changed since 2.0R...I've noticed that netstat -m now accounts for clusters and that if_ed.c now fails if clusters are not available. What has changed.....and why doesn't the original code work any more? Thanks Dennis From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 21:20:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07113 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:20:09 -0700 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA07100 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:19:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA15487 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 May 1995 10:19:54 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199505230519.KAA15487@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Fix for 3C5x9 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 10:19:53 +0500 (GMT+0500) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 326 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Please who applied the patch I recently put into -hackers write an e-mail about its results (everything works OK, everything crashed, etc.) to me and Rod Grimes . Thank you. Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 21:29:47 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA07198 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:29:47 -0700 Received: from spice.tea.org (spice.tea.org [204.182.11.244]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA07190 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:29:45 -0700 Received: by spice.tea.org (8.6.9/8.6.12) id VAA00577; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:29:50 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:29:50 -0700 From: Christopher Seiwald Message-Id: <199505230429.VAA00577@spice.tea.org> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: re: NCR SCSI 810 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > assertion "cp == np-> header.cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5395 > assertion "cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c", line 5396 > sd0(ncr0:0:0): COMMAND FAILED (4 28) @f1be8e00. Just another datapoint on the NCR SCSI 810 story: I get the same assertion failure, but only when using my (E)IDE drive at the same time I use the SCSI drive. Either one in isolation works fine. Here's my setup: ASUS PVI486-SP3 motherboard, with onboard NCR BIOS (3.05, methinks) noname NCR 53C810 SCSI card Seagate ST31200 (1.04G) SCSI-II drive Seagate 5850A (850MB) EIDE drive FreeBSD 2.0 (stock) Basically, if one drive or the other is going, everything is copacetic. If both are used concurrently, all sorts of failures occur: usually hangs (with drive access lights on), but frequently the aforementioned assertion failure or just a bunch of "COMMAND FAILED" messages. I've gone so far as to turn off interrupts for the PCI slot, change the memory mapped address for the PCI slot, and try a later FreeBSD (041295 snap) kernel, but no dice. I have two theories: o The NCR BIOS (which is part of my motherboard BIOS) initializes things in a way that isn't undone by the NCR driver that is part of FreeBSD. For example, dispite the fact that the NCR driver makes no use of port mapped I/O, the PCI slot is mapped into the PCI address 0xe800 (as reported by PCI_MAP_REG 0x10). It would be interesting to hear if people without the ASUS boards (i.e. those without the NCR BIOS initializing things) have our problem. o The ncr_exception routine isn't running with the right spx(). I know that ncr_intr isn't the problem, as I turned off interrupts and everything worked (speedily too, contrary to the "reduced performance" message issued by ncr_attach()). The only other possible explanation is general memory mashing by the NCR driver, which I discount given its solid performance when it isn't contending with another disk driver. I'm still ramping up on the intricacies of the mondo bizarro PC bus architecture, so if anybody has any wisdom I'd be glad to put it to practice. Christopher From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 22:43:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA08285 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 22:43:40 -0700 Received: from estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (estienne.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.42.147]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA08279 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 22:43:39 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by estienne.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA17342; Mon, 22 May 1995 22:41:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199505230541.WAA17342@estienne.cs.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: estienne.cs.berkeley.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Serge A. Babkin" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Fix for 3C5x9 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 May 1995 10:19:53 +0500." <199505230519.KAA15487@hq.icb.chel.su> Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 22:41:54 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Please who applied the patch I recently put into -hackers >write an e-mail about its results (everything works OK, >everything crashed, etc.) to me and Rod Grimes >. Thank you. > > Serge Babkin > >! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) >! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" >! Chelyabinsk, Russia I was away for most of the weekend (working on the install program), but should be reviewing and testing the patch later tonight and tomorrow. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 22 22:50:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA08439 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 1995 22:50:28 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA08433 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 22:50:25 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA25119; Mon, 22 May 1995 22:53:27 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA00561; Mon, 22 May 1995 22:50:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199505230550.WAA00561@corbin.Root.COM> To: dennis@et.htp.com (dennis) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mbuf clusters being lost In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 22 May 95 23:36:33 EDT." <199505230336.XAA16565@mail.htp.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 22:50:28 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >We've been having a problem losing mbufs with a driver that works ok with >2.0R and other BSD op/sys but not with current. It seems that clusters >aren't been freed properly, although there are no mbufs that are not being >freed with m_freem(). Some specific evidence would be nice...I haven't noticed this problem in any of the supplied drivers. >Something has changed since 2.0R... *Lots* of things have changed since 2.0R. :-) >I've noticed that >netstat -m now accounts for clusters I fixed the printf's in netstat to be accurate. > and that if_ed.c now fails if clusters >are not available. I found that the performance was measurably better and that the driver could be simplified if I just used clusters in it...so that's what it does now. Running short on clusters in the previous version would have lead to the allocation of hundreds of tiny mbufs, linked together in long chains, reducing performance substantially and wasting memory. > What has changed.....and why doesn't the original code >work any more? It would help if you described what you are doing and why you think you're losing mbuf clusters. It's conceivable that -current places a somewhat higher demand on clusters and that you're just running close to your compiled in limit. If this is the case, you can increase the limit with options "NMBCLUSTERS=512" or more if needed. I have future plans of making this somewhat dynamic, but not before the 2.1 release. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 00:16:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA10011 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 00:16:31 -0700 Received: from lirmm.lirmm.fr (lirmm.lirmm.fr [193.49.104.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA10004 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 00:16:29 -0700 Received: from lirmm.fr (baobab.lirmm.fr [193.49.106.14]) by lirmm.lirmm.fr (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA02226; Tue, 23 May 1995 09:16:04 +0200 Message-Id: <199505230716.JAA02226@lirmm.lirmm.fr> To: "Alok K. Dhir" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: sysctl(3) in kernel modules. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 22 May 1995 13:56:44 EDT." Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 09:16:01 +0200 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Salut, In the message Re: sysctl(3) in kernel modules., "Alok K. Dhir" wrote : > >So far, we've been patching the snake saver (at the office) to say >"Internet Access Group, Inc." instead of "FreeBSD 2.1". It would be nice >if a "-string whatever" flag was added so the patch wouldn't be >necessary. So as not to duplicate (or step on) your efforts, perhaps you >should throw it in while you're working on it? > The modload program should receive the string as an option, and write it to the module by filling an area in the data segment of the kernel module. By the way, I really don't know how to do such a thing. -------- -------- Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr LIRMM, 161 rue Ada, 34392 Montpellier cedex 5 -- France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 00:28:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA11285 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 00:28:16 -0700 Received: from FIMP01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at (ftp.fim.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.100.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA11279 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 00:28:13 -0700 Received: by FIMP01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA23796; Tue, 23 May 95 09:33:31 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 May 95 09:33:31 +0200 Message-Id: <9505230733.AA23796@FIMP01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at> X-Sender: cg@fimp01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@FreeBSD.org From: cg@FIMP01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at (DI. Christian Gusenbauer) Subject: Help wanted (Routers, slip, ...) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I've problems configuring FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 (and soon 2.0.5). I've 5 PCs which I want to connect to the Internet. I gave them addresses in the range from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.5. I know that these addresses are for private use only, but is there a possibility to let them access the Internet (through my router 192.168.1.2, with the public IP address 140.78.5.4)? Please reply to my email address cg@fimp01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at only, to keep the 'hackers' traffic low. If there are enough answers I'll sum them up and give the final paper to the document project. Perhaps they can use it, too ;-). Thanks, Christian. -- Christian. cg@fimp01.fim.uni-linz.ac.at From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 00:35:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA11595 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 00:35:55 -0700 Received: from star-gate.com ([204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA11589 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 00:35:54 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by star-gate.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA00579 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 00:25:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199505230725.AAA00579@star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: 204.188.121.18: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6delta 4/7/95 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: physical block number of a file? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 00:25:14 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Is there an easy to get the starting physical block of file? I am writing an application which is manipulating the block size of for reads to a cd9660 cdrom. In a nutshell, I am reading a file in a VideoCD whose block size is 2336. However, whith normal reads the system returns 2048 blocks. I am able to program the cddrom drive and tell it that the block size is 2336 . So far I can read a movie and display in my system however my starting block location number for the file is fixed right now. Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 02:19:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA19207 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 02:19:18 -0700 Received: from wcarchive.cdrom.com (wcarchive.cdrom.com [192.216.191.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA19181 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 02:19:11 -0700 Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.6]) by wcarchive.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA24452 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 02:18:21 -0700 Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.6) id LAA29404; Tue, 23 May 1995 11:13:13 +0200 From: Thomas Gellekum Message-Id: <199505230913.LAA29404@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: Sysadmin Book To: pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil (william pechter ILEX) Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 11:13:12 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@wcarchive.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199505121806.LAA01152@wcarchive.cdrom.com> from "william pechter ILEX" at May 12, 95 02:04:01 pm Organization: Institut f. Hochfrequenztechnik, RWTH Aachen X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1007 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk william pechter ILEX wrote: > > check out the following Sysadmin Book... > > http://sunos-wks.acs.ohio-state.edu/sysadm_course/sysadm_book.ps > http://sunos-wks.acs.ohio-state.edu/sysadm_course/sysadm.html > > It covers SunOS, Solaris, Digital Unix (OSF/1) and is pretty good. > > The copyright is 1995 Frank G. Fiamingo, Academic Technology Services, > The Ohio State University, 506 Baker Systems 1971, Neil Avenue, Columbus > OH 43210. > > "All rights reserved. You may reproduce all or parts of this document so long > as you attribute the work to the author" > > > It's pretty close to what I hopped to produce about a year ago. > > Perhaps we could get the ok to use sections and add the FreeBSD > specific information. Frank Fiamingo told me that he'd be interested in the differences between FreeBSD and the other OS's. I don't know how it would go together with the doc project, though. BTW, the postscript file has gone. There are now different files for A4 and US letter format. tg From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 06:51:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA03379 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 06:51:44 -0700 Received: from terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (terra.stack.urc.tue.nl [131.155.140.128]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA03366 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 06:51:39 -0700 Received: from zen.stack.urc.tue.nl (zen.stack.urc.tue.nl [131.155.140.130]) by terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA25820 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 15:51:18 +0200 Received: (sven@localhost) by zen.stack.urc.tue.nl (8.6.10/8.6.4) id PAA27529 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 May 1995 15:51:26 +0200 From: sven@stack.urc.tue.nl (Sven Berkvens) Message-Id: <199505231351.PAA27529@zen.stack.urc.tue.nl> Subject: accept(2) and listen(2) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 15:51:25 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 645 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! Just a small question about listen(2) and accept(2). Say I make a process A which creates a socket, binds it to a port, and does a listen(2) on it. Then I fork the process, which creates another process B. Now I make both A and B accept(2) on the socket. What happens if a connection attempt is made? Does A or B get it, or is this random? Or does only A get it? A little remark about listen(2). In the manpage it is stated that listen(2) only supports a maximum of 5 pending connections in its queue. Is this number hardcoded? If so, where can I change it :) ? Thanks for looking at this, Sven Berkvens (sven@stack.urc.tue.nl) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 08:32:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA05676 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 08:32:50 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA05670 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 08:32:39 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA12662; Tue, 23 May 95 17:31:54 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id RAA16224 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 23 May 1995 17:42:51 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 17:42:51 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199505231542.RAA16224@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: token ring - is there support for? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm not informed what the status of token ring card support for FreeBSD is. (Proteon, 3COM). Can anyone brief me in? At a customers site NT 3.5 turns out becoming a problem wrt performance, maintainability and acceptance by the customer. I'm thinking about waving with FreeBSD as the 'big fix' - before doing so I have to be sure that FreeBSD can be physically connected to their Novell 4.1 network. Logically connecting it will be another question. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950507 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0507 #0: Sun May 7 18:08:05 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 08:36:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA05756 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 08:36:13 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA05750 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 08:36:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199505231536.IAA05750@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA22635; Tue, 23 May 1995 11:36:04 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Buslogic async only.. ? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 11:36:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 260 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Any idea why FreeBSD reports "async only" when all the BusLogic auto config tools report everything is cool for fast sync? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 09:03:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA06241 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 09:03:22 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA06235 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 09:03:19 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA12873; Tue, 23 May 95 18:02:50 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id SAA16355; Tue, 23 May 1995 18:13:47 +0200 Message-Id: <199505231613.SAA16355@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: accept(2) and listen(2) To: sven@stack.urc.tue.nl (Sven Berkvens) Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 18:13:47 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) In-Reply-To: <199505231351.PAA27529@zen.stack.urc.tue.nl> from "Sven Berkvens" at May 23, 95 03:51:25 pm From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1131 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi everyone! > > Just a small question about listen(2) and accept(2). > > Say I make a process A which creates a socket, binds it to a port, > and does a listen(2) on it. Then I fork the process, which creates Why that? You fork the process normally after accepting and close the socket for the parent. The child inherits the socket and works with it while the parent listens to new connections. > another process B. Now I make both A and B accept(2) on the socket. > What happens if a connection attempt is made? Does A or B get it, > or is this random? Or does only A get it? > > A little remark about listen(2). In the manpage it is stated that > listen(2) only supports a maximum of 5 pending connections in its > queue. Is this number hardcoded? If so, where can I change it :) ? > > Thanks for looking at this, > Sven Berkvens (sven@stack.urc.tue.nl) > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950507 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0507 #0: Sun May 7 18:08:05 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 09:39:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA07177 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 09:39:50 -0700 Received: from feephi.phofarm.com (feephi.phofarm.com [204.242.60.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA07166 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 09:39:48 -0700 Received: (from dzerkel@localhost) by feephi.phofarm.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA00174; Tue, 23 May 1995 12:35:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 12:35:32 -0400 From: "Danny J. Zerkel" Message-Id: <199505231635.MAA00174@feephi.phofarm.com> To: babkin@hq.icb.chel.su, hackers@FreeBSD.org, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: Fix for 3c5x9 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Serge, I am running SNAP 950322 with you 3c5x9c version. When rebooting, my 3c509 is not recognized. I have to shut the machine off and power back up. With your latest patches, it doesn't see the 3c509 even from power up. This is on a Micron Pentium 100 machine. Danny J. Zerkel Photon Farmers "Cultivating Your Digital Image" From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 10:26:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA07950 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 10:26:27 -0700 Received: from professionals.com (eagle.professionals.com [204.119.93.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA07944 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 10:26:26 -0700 Received: (from yusufg@localhost) by professionals.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id KAA10621 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 May 1995 10:26:55 -0700 From: Yusuf Goolamabbas Message-Id: <199505231726.KAA10621@professionals.com> Subject: What to expect for 2.0.5 ? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 23 May 95 10:26:54 PDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Can somebody tell me what new features drivers can one expect for FreeBSD 2.0.5 and maybe 2.1 ( besides creating world peace :-) ) I have been lurking in this mailing list for some time and haven't been able to figure this out Thanks, Yusuf Yusuf Goolamabbas yusufg@professionals.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 11:23:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA08798 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 11:23:29 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA08790 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 11:23:19 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <225>; Tue, 23 May 1995 11:38:33 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 11:38:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Buslogic async only.. ? In-Reply-To: <199505231536.IAA05750@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 23 May 1995, Charles Henrich wrote: > Any idea why FreeBSD reports "async only" when all the BusLogic auto config > tools report everything is cool for fast sync? I had the same problem. It appears that the problem rests with the firmware on some versions of the 946C. Performance was also very poor as well. Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 11:25:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA08822 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 11:25:27 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA08816 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 11:25:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199505231825.LAA08816@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA02900; Tue, 23 May 1995 14:24:42 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Re: Buslogic async only.. ? To: tom@uniserve.com (Tom Samplonius) Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 14:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Tom Samplonius" at May 23, 95 11:38:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 499 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Any idea why FreeBSD reports "async only" when all the BusLogic auto config > > tools report everything is cool for fast sync? > > I had the same problem. It appears that the problem rests with the > firmware on some versions of the 946C. Performance was also very poor as > well. Performance is fine, 2.9mb/sec write 4.2mb/sec reads. Just is async :( -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 12:10:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA09772 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 12:10:50 -0700 Received: from terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (terra.stack.urc.tue.nl [131.155.140.128]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA09764 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 12:10:48 -0700 Received: from zen.stack.urc.tue.nl (zen.stack.urc.tue.nl [131.155.140.130]) by terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (8.6.11) with ESMTP id VAA00523; Tue, 23 May 1995 21:10:35 +0200 Received: (sven@localhost) by zen.stack.urc.tue.nl (8.6.10/8.6.4) id VAA01036; Tue, 23 May 1995 21:10:43 +0200 From: sven@stack.urc.tue.nl (Sven Berkvens) Message-Id: <199505231910.VAA01036@zen.stack.urc.tue.nl> Subject: Re: accept(2) and listen(2) To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 21:10:42 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: sven@stack.urc.tue.nl, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199505231613.SAA16355@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph Kukulies" at May 23, 95 06:13:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 802 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Say I make a process A which creates a socket, binds it to a port, > > and does a listen(2) on it. Then I fork the process, which creates > > Why that? You fork the process normally after accepting and close the > socket for the parent. The child inherits the socket and works with it > while the parent listens to new connections. > I know... That's the NORMAL way of doing things. But I want TWO processes that accept(2) on the same socket at the same time... Is that possible, and if so, what happens when a connection comes in? ie. who gets the connection? > > > another process B. Now I make both A and B accept(2) on the socket. > > What happens if a connection attempt is made? Does A or B get it, > > or is this random? Or does only A get it? > Sven Berkvens (sven@stack.urc.tue.nl) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 12:42:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA10355 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 12:42:32 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA10344 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 12:42:22 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <229>; Tue, 23 May 1995 12:57:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 12:57:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Charles Henrich cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Buslogic async only.. ? In-Reply-To: <95May23.114058-0700_pdt.230+641@haven.uniserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 23 May 1995, Charles Henrich wrote: > Performance is fine, 2.9mb/sec write 4.2mb/sec reads. Just is async :( Depending on your drives, these numbers could be very bad, or very good! Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 13:32:56 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA13065 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 13:32:56 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA13057 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 13:32:52 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA26115; Tue, 23 May 95 14:25:59 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9505232025.AA26115@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: I need Easyacsess-like tools on FreeBSD To: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) Date: Tue, 23 May 95 14:25:58 MDT Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505230350.MAA00364@vivian.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> from "HOSOKAWA Tatsumi" at May 23, 95 12:50:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > operation (especially, locking modifier keys). Moreover, a few > handicapped people in our campus uses FreeBSD for their studies. They > and I are so happy if FreeBSD and/or XFree86 supports such > accessibility features. A friend of mine at Utah Power and Light (he's a programmer there) was working on a project to enable RS232 access instead of optical coupling to a pin-reader (a vibrating pin thing to give black/white pin "images" based on an optical pickup held up to the screen). His idea was to couple it into the DDX at the fram level and have the output follow the mouse pointer (giving him one thing at a time to move around and better "resoloution" on the output). I don't think he actually finished this (it was for his personal use; he's blind and he uses a Sun running X -- amazing person, actually). Windows 95 has a keyboard facility where if you hold down a modifier key for one minute, it brings up a dialog asking if you want to go into a mode where the modifier keys are latched on. The problem with making this a generic facility in FreeBSD is that it requires the ability to pop up a dialog, so it would be mode dependent. The X facility is also difficult because it requires modification of the keyboard driver, and this is not common code -- it would have to be done for each X DDX layer, like the frame output. Ideally, you'd want to have control and do this once; I guess technically, with reparenting and well behaved X apps (no focus grabbing), you could put it in the window manager. One problem is that the initial login isn't graphic, so it's almost a duplicate effort by definition (which brinds up standardization and control and indicator issues for locking modifiers with insufficient LED's). Actually, this is an area where some real wins could be had for FreeBSD over other OS's with relatively small effort for a big payout. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 13:43:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA13895 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 13:43:39 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA13883 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 13:43:36 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA26319; Tue, 23 May 95 14:34:17 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9505232034.AA26319@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: sysctl(3) in kernel modules. To: charnier@lirmm.fr (Philippe Charnier) Date: Tue, 23 May 95 14:34:16 MDT Cc: adhir@iagi.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505230716.JAA02226@lirmm.lirmm.fr> from "Philippe Charnier" at May 23, 95 09:16:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The modload program should receive the string as an option, and write > it to the module by filling an area in the data segment of the kernel > module. > > By the way, I really don't know how to do such a thing. Neither do I, and I wrote the original modload code. Seriously, that's not the way to do it. Either the server code needs to access the information from within the kernel itself, or it needs to export an interface (or usurp an existing interface) to blow the data across the user/kernel boundry after the load has completed. Typically, the load process does not involve the link, and only understands a.out format sufficiently to get the single entrypoint (usually the init routine) and tell the kernel about it for internal list maintenance, or for manual maintenance (in the case of generic modules). My personal opinion is that there should be a kernel interface to the sysctl registry both for accessing contents from kernel modules and for registering management objects for control by sysctl. If done, the result would be that the module could either access the data itself or export a management point so that a user program could inform it via sysctl. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 13:45:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA14063 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 13:45:28 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA14052 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 13:45:18 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA26348; Tue, 23 May 95 14:38:36 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9505232038.AA26348@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: physical block number of a file? To: hasty@204.188.121.18 (Amancio Hasty) Date: Tue, 23 May 95 14:38:36 MDT Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505230725.AAA00579@star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at May 23, 95 00:25:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is there an easy to get the starting physical block of file? bread. Or you can get it's location (rather than the block itself) by looking at the per file system type specific ion disk inode/file entry meta data structure contents for the file. > 2336. However, whith normal reads the system returns 2048 blocks. Driver problem. should be specifiable at mount time (if not auto-detected) or automatic (if detected). Depends on how much knowledge of the CDROM layout is embedded in the CDROM FS at the time it was implemented. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 14:38:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA17898 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 14:38:43 -0700 Received: from expo.x.org (expo.x.org [198.112.45.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA17892 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 14:38:42 -0700 Received: from huey.x.org by expo.x.org id AA27241; Tue, 23 May 95 17:38:09 -0400 Received: by huey.x.org id AA22258; Tue, 23 May 1995 17:37:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9505232137.AA22258@huey.x.org> To: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: I need Easyacsess-like tools on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 23 May 1995 14:25:58 MDT. <9505232025.AA26115@cs.weber.edu> Organization: X Consortium Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 17:37:58 EDT From: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > operation (especially, locking modifier keys). Moreover, a few > > handicapped people in our campus uses FreeBSD for their studies. They > > and I are so happy if FreeBSD and/or XFree86 supports such > > accessibility features. > > > Windows 95 has a keyboard facility where if you hold down a modifier > key for one minute, it brings up a dialog asking if you want to go into > a mode where the modifier keys are latched on. The problem with making > this a generic facility in FreeBSD is that it requires the ability to > pop up a dialog, so it would be mode dependent. The X facility is also > difficult because it requires modification of the keyboard driver, and > this is not common code -- it would have to be done for each X DDX layer, > like the frame output. > These features, and more, are part of the XKB extension to X11. XKB is work-in-progress in X11R6 and will be a full-fledged X Consortium standard for the next release of X11. Unfortunately only the Sun and OMRON servers had XKB support enabled in R6; however it should not be too difficult to enable it in the XFree86 servers. -- Kaleb KEITHLEY From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 15:03:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA18475 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 15:03:31 -0700 Received: from pht.com (exodus.pht.com [198.60.59.99]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA18466 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 15:03:28 -0700 Received: by pht.com id AA05634 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@FreeBSD.org); Tue, 23 May 1995 14:38:31 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 14:38:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Midgley To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Cc: junkmail@pht.com Subject: CAP status in current? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been wondering if -current compiles Columbia Appletalk cleanly. I think it's a quirky enough server (non-ip packet driver, etc) that it's worth mention. Who has tried it? (our one FreeBSD machine isn't -current or I would compile it myself. under snap-3/22 cap has compile problems which I could dig up if someone wants to see them) I think FreeBSD's ability to handle EtherTalk packets directly is one of those nice networking things it has over Linux/others and people should know about it :) brad@pht.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 15:29:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA20009 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 15:29:06 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA20003 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 15:29:05 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id PAA19715; Tue, 23 May 1995 15:29:04 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199505232229.PAA19715@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Cyclades Driver/Multi-port Serial Card To: brian@mediacity.com (Brian Litzinger) Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 15:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Litzinger" at May 23, 95 12:21:29 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 682 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I wrote cyb which is not alpha. It is production and in use by ISPs > all over the place. I submitted to FreeBSD several times, but it has > never been integrated into the distribution. I've asked several times > about it and got no response. > > You can get a copy for the driver from: > > ftp://MediaCity.Com/pub/brian/cyb2.0a.tar.gz I didn't realise that there were TWO drivers.... what is the actual situation with them? I don't follow the com-port issues usually.. I leave that to bde, Ache or Serge (of jkh of course) are we missing out on a better driver because everybody thinks some-one else is taking care of it? > > Brian Litzinger > brian@easynet.com > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 16:47:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA21818 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 16:47:40 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA21811 ; Tue, 23 May 1995 16:47:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Julian Elischer cc: brian@mediacity.com (Brian Litzinger), bde@freefall.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Cyclades Driver/Multi-port Serial Card In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 May 95 15:29:03 PDT." <199505232229.PAA19715@ref.tfs.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 16:47:39 -0700 Message-ID: <21810.801272859@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I wrote cyb which is not alpha. It is production and in use by ISPs > > all over the place. I submitted to FreeBSD several times, but it has > > never been integrated into the distribution. I've asked several times > > about it and got no response. I've left this in Bruce's hands for the last few months, given that he actually has a Cyclades board to test and I've not the first idea about it myself. Bruce? I think Brian has a more than reasonable point that his possibly low performance something is certainly a lot better than whatever high-performance nothing it is you currently have in the tree. :-) If we're not adopting his stuff for a reason, would you care to enlighten all of us (not just me) as to just exactly what reason that is? Thanks! I don't mean to sound hostile, but I hate to see contributors simply ignored - it sends the worst sort of message. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 16:59:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA22073 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 16:59:45 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA22067 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 16:59:44 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14464(2)>; Tue, 23 May 1995 16:59:00 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <49871>; Tue, 23 May 1995 16:58:53 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: Brad Midgley cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, junkmail@pht.com Subject: Re: CAP status in current? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 May 95 13:38:28 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 16:58:43 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95May23.165853pdt.49871@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message you write: >I've been wondering if -current compiles Columbia Appletalk cleanly. I was under the impression that netatalk would make more sense, since it puts more of the protocol handling in the kernel. I haven't looked at this stuff for a while, though... Bill From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 18:03:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA23544 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 18:03:30 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA23537 ; Tue, 23 May 1995 18:03:18 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA01577; Wed, 24 May 1995 10:47:56 +1000 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 10:47:56 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199505240047.KAA01577@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, julian@ref.tfs.com Subject: Re: Cyclades Driver/Multi-port Serial Card Cc: bde@freefall.cdrom.com, br\ian@med\iac\ity.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> > I wrote cyb which is not alpha. It is production and in use by ISPs >>> > all over the place. I submitted to FreeBSD several times, but it has >>> > never been integrated into the distribution. I've asked several times >>> > about it and got no response. I responded several times. Communications didn't seem to be working, so I gave up and rewrote the NetBSD driver. Diffs are 100K (2.5 times as large as the original driver). I intend to make even larger changes so that all the serial drivers use a common front end. cy.c currently has about 30K of code (out of 60K total) in common with sio.c. rc.c and cy.c are very similar. They drive similar Cirrus Logic chips and are based on sio.c for the non-hardware parts. >I've left this in Bruce's hands for the last few months, given that he >actually has a Cyclades board to test and I've not the first idea >about it myself. Development was halted by the code freeze about a month ago. The driver is missing mainly configuration stuff for 16-port boards, sending of breaks, variation of the fifo threshold at low speeds so that mouses work OK. It is likely to have some bugs involving misuse of the hardware "intelligence". Use of ttyinput() limits the benefits to be gained from hardware intelligence to approximately 0%, and I don't care much about cooked mode so I don't intend to fix this except when ttyinput() can be avoided completely. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 18:20:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA23951 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 18:20:14 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA23942 ; Tue, 23 May 1995 18:20:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Bruce Evans cc: julian@ref.tfs.com, bde@freefall.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Cyclades Driver/Multi-port Serial Card In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 24 May 95 10:47:56 +1000." <199505240047.KAA01577@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 18:20:12 -0700 Message-ID: <23941.801278412@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I responded several times. Communications didn't seem to be working, so > I gave up and rewrote the NetBSD driver. Diffs are 100K (2.5 times as > large as the original driver). I intend to make even larger changes so Perhaps using the right address for him would help :-). I notice that of all the entries on the Cc line, you somehow had control characters interspersed into his email address, rendering it invalid. I've forwarded your reply to him.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 18:56:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA24750 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 18:56:17 -0700 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA24701 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 18:55:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id HAA23605; Wed, 24 May 1995 07:54:53 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199505240254.HAA23605@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: Fix for 3c5x9 To: dzerkel@feephi.phofarm.com (Danny J. Zerkel) Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 07:54:52 +0500 (GMT+0500) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com In-Reply-To: <199505231635.MAA00174@feephi.phofarm.com> from "Danny J. Zerkel" at May 23, 95 12:35:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 484 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I am running SNAP 950322 with you 3c5x9c version. When rebooting, my > 3c509 is not recognized. I have to shut the machine off and power back up. > > With your latest patches, it doesn't see the 3c509 even from power up. > > This is on a Micron Pentium 100 machine. Did you applied a previous patch by Rod Grimes that increases delay at startup time ? Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 18:56:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA24764 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 18:56:44 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA24758 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 18:56:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199505240156.SAA24758@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA23634; Tue, 23 May 1995 21:56:40 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Buslogic tech support techsup@buslogic.com To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 21:56:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 321 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk FYI The tech support people at buslogic have an email address: techsup@buslogic.com, perhaps those of you who need to get in contact with them could better do so through this address? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 19:00:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA24983 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 19:00:07 -0700 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA24951 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 18:59:50 -0700 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id HAA23670; Wed, 24 May 1995 07:59:25 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199505240259.HAA23670@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: Fix for 3C5x9 To: noses@oink.rhein.de (Noses) Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 07:59:24 +0500 (GMT+0500) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505231507.RAA28987@oink.rhein.de> from "Noses" at May 23, 95 05:07:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 802 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Please who applied the patch I recently put into -hackers > > write an e-mail about its results (everything works OK, > > everything crashed, etc.) to me and Rod Grimes > > . Thank you. > > Wonderful for a 3c509, not so good for a 3c509B as the B won't work anymore > after rebooting - it will be found by the probe and nothing seems wrong, but > it's deaf and mute. No packets are leaving and the ones on the wire aren't > recognized. I also found this problem with 3c509B. It doesn't get recognized after warm reboot when "Plug-n-Play" mode is off (with or without this patch). When PnP is on it gets recognized like 3c509 after any reboot. Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 19:07:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA25146 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 19:07:06 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA25135 ; Tue, 23 May 1995 19:07:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Buslogic tech support techsup@buslogic.com In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 May 95 21:56:40 EDT." <199505240156.SAA24758@freefall.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 19:06:59 -0700 Message-ID: <25134.801281219@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > FYI The tech support people at buslogic have an email address: > techsup@buslogic.com, perhaps those of you who need to get in contact > with them could better do so through this address? Thanks, though they've already been in touch. It looks like the situation may be improving.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 19:37:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA25771 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 19:37:04 -0700 Received: from sphinx.nuclecu.unam.mx (sphinx.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA25761 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 19:36:59 -0700 Received: (from palomino@localhost) by sphinx.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.6.11/8.6.11) id UAA00911; Tue, 23 May 1995 20:36:14 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 20:36:14 -0600 From: Carlos Palomino Message-Id: <199505240236.UAA00911@sphinx.nuclecu.unam.mx> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Technical support on FreeBSD Installation Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I apologize if this is not the proper place to ask for technical support. I'm installing FreeBSD 2.0 from the Walnut Creek CD-ROM. I have an Acer 486/25 EISA with a BusLogic 742A SCSI controller to which I have attached both a CDC 639 Mb Hard disk and a NEC Multispin CD-ROM. I have already installed the kernel in the Hard Disk and it boots ok, but when I get to the section in which the system asks for the source where I want to load the binnaries from, and I choose "SCSI CD-ROM" , I get a message saying: "Unable to mount /dev/cd0a on /mnt" Is it maybe that the NEC CD-ROM is not supported? , I ask this because the SCSI card seems to work fin with the HD. I thank you in advance for any suggestions or tips that you may give me. Carlos. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 20:14:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA27039 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 20:14:04 -0700 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA27033 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 20:14:00 -0700 Received: from cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <09461-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:09:24 +1000 Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id NAA08764 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:13:25 +1000 Received: from localhost by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id DAA17299 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 03:10:39 GMT Message-Id: <199505240310.DAA17299@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Cyclades Driver/Multi-port Serial Card Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 13:10:39 +1000 From: Stephen Hocking Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bruce commented on how he's re-engineering a lot of the routines that each intelligent card driver seem to end up re-implementing, and how doing some things the StandardWay(tm) lose the benefits of any intelligence on a card. Will there be a move to document these - I have a port of a Linux driver for the Stallion EZIO series of cards in progress, and I'd dearly like to have all this stuff around for when I do some more work on it. (There's also some code for the old brumby boards, which I have no way of testing.) Stephen I do not speak for the Worker's Compensation Board of Queensland - They don't pay me enough for that! From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 20:34:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA27405 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 20:34:52 -0700 Received: from wdl1.wdl.loral.com (wdl1.wdl.loral.com [137.249.32.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA27399 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 20:34:45 -0700 Received: from miles.sso.loral.com by wdl1.wdl.loral.com (4.1/WDL-4.2) id AA28169; Tue, 23 May 95 20:34:13 PDT Received: by miles.sso.loral.com (4.1/SSO-SUN-2.04) id AA06166; Tue, 23 May 95 23:34:56 EDT Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 23:34:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Toren X-Sender: rpt@miles To: hackers Subject: ups 2.45.2 Does C++ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ladies and Gents Over the past 2 years or so, I have been using the ups 2.45.2 debugger on my C++ work. Rod Armstrong (who maintains ups here in the states) has done a lot of work in this area. This is the 7th set of C++ patches I have received. For those who have never seem ups, I have attached a uuencoded, gzipped, xwd screen dump of the debug screen. Notice the full expansion of the stack variables, the red indicates changed values since last step, the purple are the variable names. Hope this works. The 'gotcha' is that this runs only on SunOS 4.1.x. I have the base distribution, I have the patches, but I do not have the internals knowledge to port it over to FreeBSD. Almost all files compile with the exception of the one called 'core.c' which tears appart a core file. Anyone interested in trying to add this to the ports library?? ==================================================== Rip Toren | The bad news is that C++ is not an object-oriented | rpt@miles.sso.loral.com | programming language. .... 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To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 22:43:26 +0000 () In-Reply-To: <9505211853.AA04716@ baycon.org > from "Amancio Hasty" at May 21, 95 11:36:51 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 647 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > To advance a slippery slope argument, settling for Linux application > > > is tantamount to settling for the Linux operating system. Why run > > > FreeBSD at all if all the applications are going to be Linux > > > applications? Why try to encourage more users to try FreeBSD when > > > Linux is so popular and has so much commercial application support? > > > We might as well spend our time and energy into making Linux a > > > better platform and abandon FreeBSD. > > > > The Silence of an OS :) My question to all application developers/providers is why not make it iBCS compatible. then, every OS can run it, at least in theory. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 23 22:58:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA00328 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 1995 22:58:40 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA00311 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 22:58:31 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA24178; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:53:06 +0800 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 13:53:06 +0800 From: Brian Tao Message-Id: <199505240553.NAA24178@leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, lrr@sei.cmu.edu Subject: Re: 4.4BSD (and others) chflags, sysctl, and secure levels Newsgroups: comp.security.unix In-Reply-To: <1995May22.183618.26824@sei.cmu.edu> Organization: Institute of Biomedical Sciences, Academia Sinica Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I grabbed this out of comp.security.unix. Perhaps someone here could comment on Larry's questions, since FreeBSD does implement 4.4BSD file flags and sysctl. Not sure what 'secure levels" are though. In article <1995May22.183618.26824@sei.cmu.edu> you write: >--- >Folks: > >I have been reading about the 4.4BSD chflags, sysctl, and secure >levels and was curious to know the following: > >- Do they do what was intended (do they work)? > >- Are they complete, or how would you expand them to solve the >problems you perceive? > >- Once installed and enabled, how cumbersome does that make a system >to maintain? > >- If you use them on one type of system, do you wish you had it >elsewhere (everywhere)? > >At first glance, these security improvements *seem* to counteract >some of the well known security breaches; the root kit comes to mind. >However, if the system becomes so cumbersome to maintain, then one has >a decision to make. > >Thanks for your assessment of these security features. Please mail >to me and I will summarize. > > Larry Rogers > Member, Technical Staff > Trustworthy Systems > Software Engineering Institute > Carnegie-Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > lrr@sei.cmu.edu > Phone: 412-268-8907 (Direct) > 412-268-7700 (SEI) > FAX: 412-268-5758 -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 00:00:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA01572 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 00:00:29 -0700 Received: from atari.cybernetics.net (atari.cybernetics.net [198.80.51.226]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA01565 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 00:00:20 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atari.cybernetics.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA24703 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 03:00:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199505240700.DAA24703@atari.cybernetics.net> X-Authentication-Warning: atari.cybernetics.net: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: ftformat progress Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 02:59:57 -0400 From: "Adam W. Hawks" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have been trying to get the ftformat test pkg working without any success. Has anyone got it working under -current? If so could you mail me how you got it working. I keep getting 'can't read header segment' errors. I have tried everything I can think of to get past it but it doesn't seam to be reading in any data into data structure in ftformat. Also with the new ft driver ft itself fails altogether. I recompiled it with the new ftape.h Adam W. Hawks awhawks@server0.cybernetics.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 00:20:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA01828 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 00:20:37 -0700 Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA01821 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 00:20:26 -0700 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from sirius.physik.fu-berlin.de (130.133.3.140) with smtp id ; Wed, 24 May 95 09:18 MEST Received: by sirius.physik.fu-berlin.de; id AA03965; Wed, 24 May 1995 09:18:16 +0200 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <9505240718.AA03965@sirius.physik.fu-berlin.de> Subject: more about: "arp info overwritten" problem To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 09:18:16 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1665 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hello here i am again - i asked somebody here who has to do much with our local network and also knows much about it and he said about the following: >>> here i often get the "arp info overwritten for 130.133.255.255 from ..." >>> aroud every 1/4 i get this and i think it's because FreeBSD keeps the >>> broadcast adress in his arp cache -> arp -a looks like: >> >> No, it's because some stupid machine on your network is arping for the >> broadcast address. that he can't exclude that some machines are arping for the broadcast address but he also said that should not disturd FreeBSD - a broadcast address should never come into an arp-table - it's the thing for FreeBSD to make sure that this might never happen he also said it might be that FreeBSD has problems with that if the broadcast entry can be resolved by the nameserver (we have here an entry for BROADCAST.fu-berlin.de in the nameserver - he said it's not normal but it's also not forbidden to have such) maybe this helps you further - t p.s.: yesterday i got the following message - what does that mean ? /vmunix: arp: ether address is broadcast for IP address 130.133.3.193! _______________________________________________________||_____________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| ___________________________||____email: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de____ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 00:39:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA02195 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 00:39:41 -0700 Received: from ns.bryansk.ru (Bryansk-GW.ITEP.Ru [192.148.166.234]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA02146 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 00:37:42 -0700 Received: from atan.UUCP by ns.bryansk.ru with UUCP id AA18139 (5.65/IDA-simtel for hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 24 May 1995 10:41:16 +0300 Received: from nata.bitmcnit.bryansk.su by atan.bitmcnit.bryansk.su with SMTP id AA24591 (5.65/IDA-simtel for ); Wed, 24 May 1995 10:58:21 +0400 Received: by nata.bitmcnit.bryansk.su id AA05316 (5.65/IDA-simtel for hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 24 May 1995 12:15:19 +0400 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: Organization: Bryansk Regional NIT Center From: "Natalya A. Vinokurova" Date: Wed, 24 May 95 12:15:18 +0400 Subject: I need your help... X-Mailer: BML [UNIX Beauty Mail v.1.39] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I have a problem.... I need to make driver for non-standart device for my work. How can I do that? Wouldn't you describe me the common structure of device driver for FreeBSD? Natali Bryansk, Russia P.S. Pls, respond me via e-mail. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 03:39:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA09424 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 03:39:16 -0700 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA09418 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 03:39:12 -0700 Received: from rks32.pcs.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA27533; Wed, 24 May 95 03:19:19 -0700 Received: by rks32.pcs.dec.com (Smail3.1.27.1 #16) id m0sEDSS-0005OqC; Wed, 24 May 95 12:14 MSZ Message-Id: To: Richard Toren Cc: hackers%freebsd.org@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com In-Reply-To: Message from Richard Toren of Tue, 23 May 95 23:34:54 D. Reply-To: gj@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ups 2.45.2 Does C++ Date: Wed, 24 May 95 10:14:32 GMT From: "gj%pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Richard Toren wrote: > Over the past 2 years or so, I have been using the ups 2.45.2 debugger [delete] > I have the patches, but I do not have the internals > knowledge to port it over to FreeBSD. Almost all files compile with the > exception of the one called 'core.c' which tears appart a core file. > > Anyone interested in trying to add this to the ports library?? ups 2.45.2 is rather old, I thought the current version was 3.7 ? Is 2.45.2 still to be had ? I might be interested in munging this to work with -current. Could you provide me a pointer to 2.45.2 with all the patches ? If memory serves me right, there was a port in the good old FreeBSD-1.0 days. I can look on the 1.0 CD, I suppose. Gary J. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 06:57:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA12213 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 06:57:30 -0700 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA12207 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 06:57:29 -0700 Received: from ibp.ibp.fr by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA05005; Wed, 24 May 95 06:12:07 -0700 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id PAA14367 ; Wed, 24 May 1995 15:11:51 +0200 Received: from (roberto@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) id PAA19529 ; Wed, 24 May 1995 15:11:44 +0200 From: roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) Message-Id: <199505241311.PAA19529@blaise.ibp.fr> Subject: Re: ups 2.45.2 Does C++ To: gj@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 15:11:44 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: rpt%miles.sso.loral.com@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com, hackers%freebsd.org@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com In-Reply-To: from "gj%pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com" at May 24, 95 10:14:32 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD BUILT-19950501 ctm#617 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 307 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > ups 2.45.2 is rather old, I thought the current version was 3.7 ? Do you have a pointer for a recent version 3.x ? I've been unable to find it with archie. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD keltia 2.0-BUILT-19950503 #3: Wed May 3 19:53:04 MET DST 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 07:48:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA13395 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 07:48:59 -0700 Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA13386 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 07:48:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (uucp@localhost) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) with UUCP id XAA11919; Wed, 24 May 1995 23:35:54 +0900 Received: by tama.spec.co.jp (8.6.11/6.4J.5) id XAA00925; Wed, 24 May 1995 23:30:40 +0900 From: Atsushi Murai Message-Id: <199505241430.XAA00925@tama.spec.co.jp> Subject: Re: Buslogic tech support techsup@buslogic.com To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 23:30:39 +0900 (JST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505240156.SAA24758@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Charles Henrich" at May 23, 95 09:56:40 pm Reply-To: amurai@spec.co.jp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 462 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > FYI The tech support people at buslogic have an email address: > techsup@buslogic.com, perhaps those of you who need to get in contact with them > could better do so through this address? Greate! Escpecially me I can't make international 800 and can't pay Several international FAX. :-) Atsushi. -- Atsushi Murai Internet: amurai@spec.co.jp System Planning and Engineering Co,.Ltd. Voice : +81-33833-5341 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 08:06:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA13820 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 08:06:43 -0700 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA13814 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 08:06:41 -0700 Received: from rks32.pcs.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA08183; Wed, 24 May 95 07:10:09 -0700 Received: by rks32.pcs.dec.com (Smail3.1.27.1 #16) id m0sEH3k-0005OqC; Wed, 24 May 95 16:05 MSZ Message-Id: To: roberto%blaise.ibp.fr@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (Ollivier Robert) Cc: hackers%freebsd.org@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com In-Reply-To: Message from roberto@blaise.ibp.fr (Ollivier Robert) of Wed, 24 May 95 15:11:44 O. Reply-To: gj@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ups 2.45.2 Does C++ Date: Wed, 24 May 95 14:05:16 GMT From: "gj%pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ollivier Robert wrote: >> ups 2.45.2 is rather old, I thought the current version was 3.7 ? > > Do you have a pointer for a recent version 3.x ? I've been unable to > find it with archie. this is from an old mail: > To: ups-users@ukc.ac.uk > Subject: ups-3.7.-alpha now available > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 23:19:07 +0100 > From: Mark Russell > Message-ID: <"bunyip.cc.uq:244760:940916222734"@cc.uq.oz.au> > > The latest version of the ups 3 alpha release is now available. This > has fixes for various bugs reported by people who tested the 3.6alpha > release. Many thanks to everyone who tried it out and reported > problems. > > As well as bug fixes this version includes a CHANGES file with details > of the new features. I have appended a copy of the CHANGES file to > this message. > > The release is available by anonymous FTP from unix.hensa.ac.uk. The > path is /misc/unix/ups/ups-3.7-alpha.tar.Z. There is also a patch to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ should be /pub/misc/unix/ups > covert from 3.6-alpha to 3.7-alpha. The path of the patch file is > /misc/unix/ups/ups-3.6-to-3.7-alpha.patch.Z. > > Mark I deleted the README which was also included with it. Whether ups has gotten past the alpha stage, I can't say. I just checked it out and the stuff is still there, there's also a copy of ups-2.45.2. This seems to be a very sloooooow connection to the net. ups-3.7-alpha was ported by someone, I've sent numerous mails out about this. It appears that the file is no longer available though, maybe it got lost when wcarchive bit the dust. I may still have a copy of the port at home, I checked it out at Jordan's behest to see how difficult it would be to get it to work with the gdb in the FreeBSD distribution. I decided that it was more trouble than it was worth. Gary J. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 09:12:46 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA15161 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 09:12:46 -0700 Received: from fore.com (relay.fore.com [169.144.1.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA14629 ; Wed, 24 May 1995 08:53:46 -0700 Received: from dolphin (dolphin.fore.com [169.144.1.16]) by fore.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id LAA05428; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:52:22 -0400 Received: from loach.fore.com by dolphin (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27037; Wed, 24 May 95 11:53:12 EDT Received: from lamprey by loach.fore.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25134; Wed, 24 May 95 11:53:11 EDT Message-Id: <9505241553.AA25134@loach.fore.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, announce@FreeBSD.org Cc: pss@fore.com Subject: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 11:53:10 -0400 From: Rajesh Vaidheeswarran Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I had originally mentioned this only to 2 people, which was Jordan K. Hubbard and Paul Henning-Kemp, but since I have received a lot of queries on this, I thought I might as well post it on the FreeBSD announce groups. Included below is a posting done on the Linux-atm mailing group, by Pragnesh Sampat. I have just adapted for FreeBSD. RV -------------------------- Announcement ---------------------------------- Note: This posting is somewhat commercial in nature. FORE Systems is interested in enabling an ATM driver for FreeBSD. For the unfamiliar, FORE Systems supports the widest range of platforms/busses (EISA, PCI relevant to the PCs for example) for ATM adapters for various standard physical media (OC3, Taxi, UTP). Please see below for more information about the company and for contact information. Towards this end we are willing to make the ATM Adaptation Layer Interface (AALI) specification available to the public via various information servers (ftp, www etc.). 200 series adapter cards have an i960 processor to do the SAR. This is done by the firmware which is shipped with the software that goes with the adapter. The firmware is normally downloaded during boot and is mostly transparent to the user. ESA-200PC would come with the right firmware to run on a PC. The AALI is an interface to the firmware and will be needed for driver development if a 200 series adapter will be used. It would something like: IP | Driver | firmware | 200 series The AALI is available from: ftp.fore.com:/pub/docs/ aali.readme aali.ps --Pragnesh FORE Systems, Inc. Company and Contact Information: FORE Systems is the worldwide leader in the design, development, manufacture, and sale of high performance local area networking products based on ATM (Asynchronous Transfer Mode) technology. FORE offers the most comprehensive ATM LAN product line available today including ForeRunner switches, adapter cards, LAN access products, and video adapters, ForeThought internetworking software, and ForeView network management software. FORE has delivered ATM solutions to over 500 customers including Fortune 500 companies, telecommunications service providers, government agencies, research institutions, and universities. FORE Systems' headquarters are located at 174 Thorn Hill Road, Warrendale, Pennsylvania 15086. email: info@fore.com Phone: (412) 772-6600 Fax : (412) 772-6500 -------------------------- Announcement ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 10:09:19 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA16297 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 10:09:19 -0700 Received: from tiny.mcs.usu.edu (tiny.mcs.usu.edu [129.123.15.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA16289 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 10:09:17 -0700 Received: by tiny.mcs.usu.edu (8.6.8/1.34) id LAA26212; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:48:26 -0600 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 11:48:26 -0600 From: kurto@tiny.mcs.usu.edu (Kurt Olsen) Message-Id: <199505241748.LAA26212@tiny.mcs.usu.edu> To: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: UPS 3.7 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here is a forwared copy of Mark's announcement. There is also patches in the ports directory (or in incoming I forget) to make this work with 2.x. Kurt, Here's some original mail from Mark. ...alan --- Forwarded mail from Mark Russell To: ups-users@ukc.ac.uk The latest version of the ups 3 alpha release is now available. This has fixes for various bugs reported by people who tested the 3.6alpha release. Many thanks to everyone who tried it out and reported problems. As well as bug fixes this version includes a CHANGES file with details of the new features. I have appended a copy of the CHANGES file to this message. The release is available by anonymous FTP from unix.hensa.ac.uk. The path is /misc/unix/ups/ups-3.7-alpha.tar.Z. There is also a patch to covert from 3.6-alpha to 3.7-alpha. The path of the patch file is /misc/unix/ups/ups-3.6-to-3.7-alpha.patch.Z. Mark --- The top level CHANGES file --- @(#)CHANGES 1.2 16 Sep 1994 (UKC) Introduction ------------ This is an alpha release of ups 3, implemented on top of gdb. This version has only been compiled and tested (a bit) on Solaris 2.3. There are undoubtedly plenty of bugs still to discover. See the file README for build instructions. Changes since 2.45.3 -------------------- - Gdb based support Ups can now be build using a automatically modified version of the GNU gdb debugger. See the README file for the precise instructions. Basically the process is: - unpack, configure and build gdb - run a shell script which builds a symlinks copy of the source tree, munges the gdb source file there, then builds libgdb.a from the munged source files - run make in the top-level directory to build ups using libgdb.a for the debugger functionality. Currently ups builds `out of the box' on Solaris 2.3 only, but I have built working versions for HPUX and IRIX using the gdb support. Canned support for these and other architectures will be included in a future release. You can still build ups on SunOS 4.1.3 using the native support (again, see the README file for details). It is also possible to build the gdb based version on 4.1.3, but there is not much point doing this. - Emacs-like key mappings You can use most of the common emacs key mappings when editing text (e.g. in the typing line, when adding breakpoints etc). Here is a list of the supported mappings (C-x means CONTROL-x M-x means ALT-X, UP, DOWN, LEFT and RIGHT are the arrow keys SPC is the space bar and DEL is the delete key): C-a move to start of line C-e move to end of line M-m move to first non-whitespace character M-@, M-SPC set mark C-w delete text between mark and point C-p, UP move up a line C-n, DOWN move down a line C-b, LEFT move backwards one character C-f, RIGHT move forward one character M-b move backwards one word M-f move forward one word C-j, C-m finish edit (insert newline in source window) ESC finish edit (including in source window) C-k delete to end of line C-u delete to start of line (note: non-emacs) C-d delete character under cursor M-d delete word starting at cursor DEL delete character before cursor M-DEL delete word before cursor C-y paste X selection M-> move to end of buffer M-< move to start of buffer - Cut and paste You can select text with highlighting in the source window, the output window and in fields you are editing. To select text, press the left mouse button and drag. Releasing the left mouse button sets the X selection and clears the highlighting. You can paste text into an edit with control-Y (currently you can't paste with the mouse - this will be done soon). In the source window there are some extra shortcuts: - pressing and releasing the left mouse button (without dragging) adds a variable name to the display as in previous versions of ups. Only if you move the mouse to a different character with the left button down do you get a plain X selection. - doing a press-left-and-drag selection with the SHIFT key pressed automatically pastes the selected text as an expression into the appropriate place in the stack trace. It is equivalent to selecting some text, selecting `add expr' for the appropriate entry in the stack trace, pressing ^Y to paste the text and hitting RETURN. - If you hold the shift key down, the press and release the left mouse button without moving the mouse, ups adds the expression under the mouse to the display area. It makes a reasonable attempt to select what to display. Try it out to see what I mean. Pasted expressions will often include preprocessor macros such as NULL, which ups will fail to recognise. The right solution for this is for ups to understand #defines, but in the interim there is a workaround: if the file ups-state/repltab exists in the current directory ups will apply the substitutions specified there. Here is a repltab that would deal with NULL and stdout # Repltab for ups NULL 0 stdout &iob[0] Hash comments and blank lines are ignored in the normal way. Any substitutions will be visible in the pasted expression. Ups checks to see if the repltab file has been updated each time an expression is pasted, so you don't have to restart ups to get changes noticed. - State save and restore If the file ups-state exists in the current directory, ups will write state information to it when you exit, and reload state when you start. This includes breakpoint locations (and the interpreted code, if any), and the state of the variables display. The saved state is used in several ways: - after starting ups, you can select `Restore' from the `Breakpoints' menu to put breakpoints back as they were from the previous session. Ups tries to put breakpoints back in the right places, but it can be defeated by major changes to the source code. - the default for the `Expand' option for stack trace and source file entries is `like before'. This adds variables as they were in the last ups session (or the last time you made a change the variables display for this function). - when you hit a breakpoint in a function variables and expressions are restored as they were last time you stopped in this function (even if the target process has been killed and restarted in between). - when you add a variable the display format (hex, octal etc) is taken from the way it was last time you displayed the variable). State is saved to the file ups-state/xxx.state, where xxx is the last component of the file you are debugging. You can also create the file ups-state/xxx.config (possible by copying ups-state/xxx.state). The .config file is read at startup by ups, but not written. Also, breakpoints in the .config file are automatically restored on startup. In future releases you will be able to use the .config file to specify how signals are handled, add environment variable settings, etc. Currently the only directive (other than things specifying breakpoints and saved variable state) is `auto-start', which takes a single argument `yes' or `no'. The line: auto-start yes in the xxx.config file means start the target running as soon as ups has started up. Ups also looks for saved state in the file $HOME/.upsrc and .upsrc (in the current directory). Thus the full set of files is: $HOME/.upsrc $PWD/.upsrc ups-state/xxx.config ups-state/xxx.state Files later in the sequence can override earlier settings. - Loading and saving breakpoints You can explicitly load and save breakpoints to files. To save breakpoints, select one or more in the display area, then select `save' from the menu. You will be prompted for a file name. If the file already exists you will be asked whether you want to cancel the save, overwrite the file or append to it. Saved breakpoints can be reloaded by selecting `Load' from the `Breakpoints' header menu. - Editing in the output window You can now edit in the output window (the window where $printf output goes. Click with the middle mouse button to display a cursor. You can then append or delete text. This is useful for tidying up output to make it clearer, or for deleting uninteresting stuff. Coming soon: dumping objects (like the stack trace) to the output window, and saving the contents of the output window to a file). Known bugs ---------- These are the major bugs that I know of in this release. I will be fixing these as soon as possible. - Debugging from a core file does not work on SunOS 4.1.3 - Attaching to a running process does not work anywhere Mark Russell 16th September 1994 --- End of forwarded mail from Mark Russell From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 10:33:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA16852 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 10:33:51 -0700 Received: from dg-rtp.dg.com (dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com [128.222.1.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA16846 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 10:33:49 -0700 Received: by dg-rtp.dg.com (5.4R2.01/dg-rtp-v02) id AA13480; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:33:04 -0400 Received: from lakes (lakes [192.96.3.39]) by ponds.UUCP (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA12189 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:15:33 -0400 Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA01329; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:29:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 13:29:14 -0400 From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199505241729.NAA01329@lakes> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, rivers@dg-rtp.dg.com Subject: Another idea about my sound card (perhaps Plug&Play is the problem?) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just had a thought about my MediaMagic ISP-16 sound card. If you recall, I mentioned it last month - the fact that I can run a DOS initialization program and it looks like a Sound Blaster Pro 3.2 to FreeBSD, and works like one as well. Now - on to my idea. First, this card was manufactured in 1994. Second, it claims to be "Plug and Play" compatible. Third; I'm not using the default IRQ of 7 for the sound card, I moved it to 5. There are no jumpers on the card; the way you configure a different interrupt is to run the initialization software. So - I was thinking - perhaps if I switch to the interruptless printer driver, and move the sound card IRQ back to 7 - the initial default on the card would allow it to operate. I haven't tried this out - but I was still curious - what do you think? If this is the case with this "Plug and Play" device, what are we to do with other "Plug and Play" cards in the future, which will similar not have jumpers, but instead be informed of their IRQ, etc... Does any have an idea of how to negotiate an IRQ with a "Plug and Play" card? - Dave Rivers - From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 10:55:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA19030 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 10:55:03 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA19024 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 10:55:02 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id KAA22913 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 May 1995 10:55:02 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199505241755.KAA22913@ref.tfs.com> Subject: cool gadget in XFree86 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 10:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 417 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just remade my XFree86 and found the Xnest server. What a cool gadget! In case you don't know, it's an X11 server which runs in a X11 window. (Very useful if you play with window managers I presume, perfectly useless otherwise :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 10:56:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA19108 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 10:56:25 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA19102 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 10:56:23 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA07707; Wed, 24 May 95 11:48:25 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9505241748.AA07707@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: Mma for Linux, when? To: kwong@fathergoose.net6c.io.org (Ken Wong) Date: Wed, 24 May 95 11:48:24 MDT Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505232243.WAA00273@fathergoose.net6c.io.org> from "Ken Wong" at May 23, 95 10:43:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > My question to all application developers/providers is why not make it > iBCS compatible. then, every OS can run it, at least in theory. Because IBCS2 is an insufficient system specification for writing fully featured programs (like POSIX, you can't do everything you want to be able to do because it has omissions for political reasosns). One major omission that Word and Wordperfect miss about the console is the ability to put it into scan code mode (not part of IBCS). There are plenty of others. When an IBCS2 product is shipped, it will end up with platform specific features that would also need emulation. For instance, for Lotus 1-2-3, the IBCS2 version relies on SVR3 package installation tools, which aren't part of the IBCS2 standard, and which don't exists on all "IBCS2" compliant platforms. Other applications, such as communications software, depend on device behaviour an naming conventsions. The naming is not part of the IBCS2 standard, and while parameters for standard tty settings *are* specified for fcntl/ioctl, the parameters for baud rates higher than 9600 are not. Similarly, the state mechanics for port open without DCD vary from IBCS2 platform to platform; generally, they involve a machine specific mechanism for disabling getty/uugetty/port-monitors which has to be called in a specific way -- for SCO, this would be the SCO enable/disable commands, which have to be run by an SUID root program using a sprintf( buf, "sh -c /bin/disable %s", ttyname); system( buf); to get around the root identity checking, which is stronger than simple uid/gid checking normal to such programs. For SVR3/SVR4, use of the normal getty program causes open's with the O_EXCL bit set, which using O_NDELAY opens can't be unset, and so must manually be unset by attempting a blocking open and alarming out of it. For ISC SVR4 UNIX, you have to actually pop off a streams module to enable binary transfers, since the tty's are streams-implemented. Suffice it to say, IBCS2 compatible says little more than the loader format and certain designated system calls are compatible. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 11:04:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA19303 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:04:09 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA19296 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:04:07 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA07923; Wed, 24 May 95 11:55:46 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9505241755.AA07923@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Cyclades Driver/Multi-port Serial Card To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Wed, 24 May 95 11:55:46 MDT Cc: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, julian@ref.tfs.com, bde@freefall.cdrom.com, br\ian@med\iac\ity.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505240047.KAA01577@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at May 24, 95 10:47:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I responded several times. Communications didn't seem to be working, so > I gave up and rewrote the NetBSD driver. Diffs are 100K (2.5 times as > large as the original driver). I intend to make even larger changes so > that all the serial drivers use a common front end. cy.c currently has > about 30K of code (out of 60K total) in common with sio.c. rc.c and > cy.c are very similar. They drive similar Cirrus Logic chips and are > based on sio.c for the non-hardware parts. If you put a common cannonical processing front end on things, then you are a god in my book! My personal preference is for a module that is ldterm type seperable and shared with the console (I have a fetish for Streams). Whatever you do, "Go Team, Go!". > Development was halted by the code freeze about a month ago. The driver > is missing mainly configuration stuff for 16-port boards, sending of > breaks, variation of the fifo threshold at low speeds so that mouses > work OK. It is likely to have some bugs involving misuse of the > hardware "intelligence". Use of ttyinput() limits the benefits to be > gained from hardware intelligence to approximately 0%, and I don't care > much about cooked mode so I don't intend to fix this except when > ttyinput() can be avoided completely. The speed variation idea is interesting; basically it would be a data hiding of an implied switch. The last time FIFO depth was considered regarding mice, it was though that a line discipline would be used (as is used in SunOS and SCO) to set it up. This would make more sense than an implied switch IFF the intent was a devide independent /dev/mouse for the console (a nice goal). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 11:04:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA19311 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:04:51 -0700 Received: from trout.sri.MT.net (trout.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.12]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA19305 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:04:47 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by trout.sri.MT.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) id MAA15308; Wed, 24 May 1995 12:04:34 -0600 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 12:04:34 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199505241804.MAA15308@trout.sri.MT.net> In-Reply-To: Poul-Henning Kamp "cool gadget in XFree86" (May 24, 10:55am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Poul-Henning Kamp , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cool gadget in XFree86 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I just remade my XFree86 and found the Xnest server. > > What a cool gadget! > > In case you don't know, it's an X11 server which runs in a X11 window. > > (Very useful if you play with window managers I presume, perfectly useless > otherwise :-) It also works very well in conjuction with LBX. Since LBX has come stability problems, when you lockup the link you only lockup Xnest and the remote LBX proxy server instead of locking up your normal X-server. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 11:06:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA19343 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:06:48 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA19337 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:06:47 -0700 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14451(3)>; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:06:05 PDT Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <49871>; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:05:48 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: Thomas Graichen cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: more about: "arp info overwritten" problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 24 May 95 00:18:16 PDT." <9505240718.AA03965@sirius.physik.fu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 11:05:46 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <95May24.110548pdt.49871@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <9505240718.AA03965@sirius.physik.fu-berlin.de> you write: >>> No, it's because some stupid machine on your network is arping for the >>> broadcast address. Sending arp requests for the broadcast address will not cause this behavior. Someone sent an ARP packet with a "Sender IP address" of the broadcast address, which could either be an ARP request coming from a host who thinks that its IP address is the broadcast address, or an ARP reply for the IP broadcast address. (it's a pretty easy bug to write...) >that he can't exclude that some machines are arping for the broadcast address >but he also said that should not disturd FreeBSD - a broadcast address should >never come into an arp-table - it's the thing for FreeBSD to make sure that >this might never happen FreeBSD does not discard any ARP traffic that it recieves. There is no reason to compare for the broadcast address because there shouldn't be any ARP traffic for the broadcast address. >he also said it might be that FreeBSD has problems with that if the broadcast >entry can be resolved by the nameserver Nope, that only has to do with how the user-level "arp" program displays the data; it has nothing to do with how the kernel processes ARP requests. I know you said that you can't run tcpdump on your machine; is there another machine somewhere else that you can snoop on the network with? This would be a *lot* easier to figure out if we could see who was arp'ing for what. >p.s.: yesterday i got the following message - what does that mean ? > >/vmunix: arp: ether address is broadcast for IP address 130.133.3.193! That means that 130.133.3.193 sent out either an ARP Request, or an ARP Reply to one of your requests, saying that its ethernet address was ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff . Understandably, FreeBSD doesn't really want to insert the ethernet broadcast address into its ARP table, so it prints that message instead. Bill From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 11:41:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA20121 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:41:49 -0700 Received: from star-gate.com ([204.188.121.18]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA20115 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:41:47 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by star-gate.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA04198; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:30:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199505241830.LAA04198@star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: 204.188.121.18: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Thomas David Rivers Subject: Re: Another idea about my sound card (perhaps Plug&Play is the problem?) cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 24 May 1995 13:29:14 EDT." <199505241729.NAA01329@lakes> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4189.801340215.1@204.188.121.18> Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 11:30:15 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I just had a thought about my MediaMagic ISP-16 sound card. Send mail to : Hannu Savolainen He should be able to help you or point you in the right direction Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 11:42:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA20155 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:42:39 -0700 Received: from saul5.u.washington.edu (spaz@saul5.u.washington.edu [140.142.83.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA20148 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:42:38 -0700 Received: by saul5.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA01771; Wed, 24 May 95 11:42:33 -0700 X-Sender: spaz@saul5.u.washington.edu Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 11:42:33 -0700 (PDT) From: John Utz To: Thomas David Rivers Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, rivers@dg-rtp.dg.com Subject: Re: Another idea about my sound card (perhaps Plug&Play is the problem?) In-Reply-To: <199505241729.NAA01329@lakes> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! On Wed, 24 May 1995, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > I just had a thought about my MediaMagic ISP-16 sound card. > > If you recall, I mentioned it last month - the fact that I can run > a DOS initialization program and it looks like a Sound Blaster Pro 3.2 > to FreeBSD, and works like one as well. > > Now - on to my idea. > > First, this card was manufactured in 1994. > > Second, it claims to be "Plug and Play" compatible. > When u say plug and play, i think PCI. Is this a pci soundcard? The fact that it configures via a software init is typical of most soundcards these days. This certainly would not im0ply that they are all PCI if i am not mistaken. Plug and Play implies that if the system BIOS is plug and play aware, it will then recognize the existence of the Plug and Play card with out any additional interaction on your part. The Plug and Play comaptible reference may be a disingenious marketing ploy on their part as in "sure! it is plug and play compatible! if u put this in a plug and play aware system, then it wont screw it up!" :-) > Third; I'm not using the default IRQ of 7 for the sound card, I moved it > to 5. There are no jumpers on the card; the way you configure a different > interrupt is to run the initialization software. > > So - I was thinking - perhaps if I switch to the interruptless printer > driver, and move the sound card IRQ back to 7 - the initial default on the > card would allow it to operate. > > I haven't tried this out - but I was still curious - what do you think? > > If this is the case with this "Plug and Play" device, what are we to > do with other "Plug and Play" cards in the future, which will similar > not have jumpers, but instead be informed of their IRQ, etc... Does > any have an idea of how to negotiate an IRQ with a "Plug and Play" > card? > > - Dave Rivers - > ******************************************************************************* John Utz spaz@stein.u.washington.edu idiocy is the impulse function in the convolution of life From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 12:24:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA21153 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 12:24:55 -0700 Received: from saul5.u.washington.edu (spaz@saul5.u.washington.edu [140.142.83.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA21135 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 12:24:44 -0700 Received: by saul5.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03605; Wed, 24 May 95 12:24:41 -0700 X-Sender: spaz@saul5.u.washington.edu Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 12:24:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Utz To: FreeBSD hackerlist Subject: sound in 2.0.5 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gang; is voxware 3.0 gonna be on 2.0.5? or are we gonna still have 2.0 ( blech ) thankyou! ******************************************************************************* John Utz spaz@stein.u.washington.edu idiocy is the impulse function in the convolution of life From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 12:31:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA21336 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 12:31:27 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA21325 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 12:31:23 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA09524; Wed, 24 May 1995 12:30:55 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505241930.MAA09524@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: sound in 2.0.5 To: spaz@u.washington.edu (John Utz) Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 12:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "John Utz" at May 24, 95 12:24:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 397 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Gang; > > is voxware 3.0 gonna be on 2.0.5? or are we gonna still have 2.0 > ( blech ) > > thankyou! I had a discussion with the parties working on the 3.0 voxware code and it was decided we would stay with 2.0 for FreeBSD 2.0.5. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 12:59:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA21861 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 12:59:30 -0700 Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA21855 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 12:59:27 -0700 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA06333; Wed, 24 May 1995 15:59:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 15:59:43 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199505241959.PAA06333@Glock.COM> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Zip Drives Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone tried the new IOMEGA Zip drives? They're the $200 drives with the $20 100M cartridges. I've been wondering how reliable they are, if they could be used for fairly easy backup of a FreeBSD system, and if anyone has had any problems interfacing them to FreeBSD (it's a SCSI peripheral, so I would tend to think it would look like any other removable drive). Thanks in advance. -matt -- Matthew C. Mead -> Virginia Tech Center for Transportation Research - -> Multiple Platform System and Network Administration Work Related -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu | mmead@goof.com <- All Other ---- ------- WWW -> http://www.goof.com/~mmead --- ----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 13:14:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA22316 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:14:08 -0700 Received: from uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu (uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu [128.174.57.133]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA22309 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:14:04 -0700 Received: by uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu id AA28575 (5.67b/IDA-1.3.4 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 24 May 1995 15:14:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 15:14:01 -0500 From: Terry Lee Message-Id: <199505242014.AA28575@uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Memory benchmark program? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I must have missed the original reference. Could someone tell me where to get the memory benchmark program that was discussed recently? Thanks! Terry Lee terry@uivlsi.csl.uiuc.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 13:15:55 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA22381 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:15:55 -0700 Received: from wcarchive.cdrom.com (wcarchive.cdrom.com [192.216.191.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA22373 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:15:40 -0700 Received: from linux4nn.iaf.nl (linux4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by wcarchive.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA10269 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:16:00 -0700 Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA17311; Wed, 24 May 1995 22:34:43 +0200 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA14602 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 24 May 1995 22:14:30 +0100 Received: by iafnl.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA27036 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Wed, 24 May 1995 21:22:16 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.8/8.6.6) id TAA00897; Wed, 24 May 1995 19:03:19 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199505241703.TAA00897@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: Sysadmin Book To: thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (Thomas Gellekum) Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 19:03:19 +1596657 (MET DST) Cc: pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil, FreeBSD-hackers@wcarchive.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199505230913.LAA29404@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> from "Thomas Gellekum" at May 23, 95 11:13:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1061 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > check out the following Sysadmin Book... > > > > http://sunos-wks.acs.ohio-state.edu/sysadm_course/sysadm_book.ps > > http://sunos-wks.acs.ohio-state.edu/sysadm_course/sysadm.html > > > > It covers SunOS, Solaris, Digital Unix (OSF/1) and is pretty good. I read it more or less completely and it looks good to me. It even printed on the European A4 papersize ;-) > > Perhaps we could get the ok to use sections and add the FreeBSD > > specific information. > > Frank Fiamingo told me that he'd be interested in the differences > between FreeBSD and the other OS's. I don't know how it would go > together with the doc project, though. Hmm, too many 'diffs' in this manual might clutter it for our audience (which is presumably FreeBSD focused ;-) Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 13:25:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA22671 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:25:41 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA22661 ; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:25:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199505242025.NAA22661@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "matthew c. mead" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Zip Drives In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 24 May 95 15:59:43 EDT." <199505241959.PAA06333@Glock.COM> Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 13:25:37 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Has anyone tried the new IOMEGA Zip drives? They're the $200 >drives with the $20 100M cartridges. I've been wondering how reliable they >are, if they could be used for fairly easy backup of a FreeBSD system, and >if anyone has had any problems interfacing them to FreeBSD (it's a SCSI >peripheral, so I would tend to think it would look like any other >removable drive). Thanks in advance. > > >-matt > >-- >Matthew C. Mead -> Virginia Tech Center for Transportation Research - > -> Multiple Platform System and Network Administration >Work Related -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu | mmead@goof.com <- All Other >---- ------- WWW -> http://www.goof.com/~mmead --- ----- As soon as they come off backorder, one of them is coming my way to be tested with the aic7xxx driver. I'll let the list know what the results are once it shows up. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 13:32:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA22968 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:32:45 -0700 Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA22962 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:32:37 -0700 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA06429; Wed, 24 May 1995 16:32:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 16:32:57 -0400 Resent-From: "matthew c. mead" Resent-Message-Id: <199505242032.QAA06429@Glock.COM> Message-Id: <199505242032.QAA06429@Glock.COM> Resent-To: hackers@FreeBSD.org From: mmead@Glock.COM (matthew c. mead) To: hackers@freebsg.org Subject: Photo CD utils? Date: Wed, 24 May 95 16:32:24 EDT Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I found a Corel Professional Photos CDROM laying around today, and I would like to get some of these pictures available under FreeBSD. I just popped the disk into a Solaris 2.4 box and it mounted it successfully, so I assume I can do the same with FreeBSD. Does anyone know of utilities for unix to convert .pcd (Kodak PhotoCD format) files to things I can view? Thanks! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead -> Virginia Tech Center for Transportation Research - -> Multiple Platform System and Network Administration Work Related -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu | mmead@goof.com <- All Other ---- ------- WWW -> http://www.goof.com/~mmead --- ----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 13:34:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA23058 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:34:18 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA22883 ; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:30:23 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id NAA23457; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:29:49 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199505242029.NAA23457@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD To: rv@fore.com (Rajesh Vaidheeswarran) Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 13:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, announce@FreeBSD.org, pss@fore.com In-Reply-To: <9505241553.AA25134@loach.fore.com> from "Rajesh Vaidheeswarran" at May 24, 95 11:53:10 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3037 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I asked Fore systems about this.. (4 days ago) their response email (unfortunatly deleted) said we would have to pay (I think) $10,000 (or was it 20?) and sign an NDA. I wish they'd make up their mind! Poul and I have an ATM network with FORE aystems on it we could test against, but I doubt we're going to fork over 10K for it.. julian > > > I had originally mentioned this only to 2 people, which was Jordan > K. Hubbard and Paul Henning-Kemp, but since I have received a lot of > queries on this, I thought I might as well post it on the FreeBSD announce > groups. > > Included below is a posting done on the Linux-atm mailing group, by > Pragnesh Sampat. I have just adapted for FreeBSD. > > RV > > -------------------------- Announcement ---------------------------------- > Note: This posting is somewhat commercial in nature. > > FORE Systems is interested in enabling an ATM driver for FreeBSD. > > For the unfamiliar, FORE Systems supports the widest range of > platforms/busses (EISA, PCI relevant to the PCs for example) for ATM > adapters for various standard physical media (OC3, Taxi, UTP). Please see > below for more information about the company and for contact information. > > Towards this end we are willing to make the ATM Adaptation Layer Interface > (AALI) specification available to the public via various information > servers (ftp, www etc.). > > 200 series adapter cards have an i960 processor to do the SAR. This is > done by the firmware which is shipped with the software that goes with the > adapter. The firmware is normally downloaded during boot and is mostly > transparent to the user. ESA-200PC would come with the right firmware to > run on a PC. The AALI is an interface to the firmware and will be needed > for driver development if a 200 series adapter will be used. > > It would something like: > > > IP > | > Driver > | > firmware > | > 200 series > > > The AALI is available from: > > ftp.fore.com:/pub/docs/ > > aali.readme > aali.ps > > > --Pragnesh > > FORE Systems, Inc. > > Company and Contact Information: > > FORE Systems is the worldwide leader in the design, development, > manufacture, and sale of high performance local area networking products > based on ATM (Asynchronous Transfer Mode) technology. FORE offers the most > comprehensive ATM LAN product line available today including ForeRunner > switches, adapter cards, LAN access products, and video adapters, > ForeThought internetworking software, and ForeView network management > software. FORE has delivered ATM solutions to over 500 customers including > Fortune 500 companies, telecommunications service providers, government > agencies, research institutions, and universities. FORE Systems' > headquarters are located at 174 Thorn Hill Road, Warrendale, Pennsylvania > 15086. > > email: info@fore.com > Phone: (412) 772-6600 > Fax : (412) 772-6500 > > -------------------------- Announcement ---------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 13:36:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA23183 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:36:52 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA23177 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:36:50 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id NAA23523 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:36:50 -0700 Received: from fore.com (relay.fore.com [169.144.1.1]) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA22459 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 08:07:17 -0700 Received: from dolphin (dolphin.fore.com [169.144.1.16]) by fore.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id LAA04916 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 11:05:54 -0400 Received: from loach.fore.com by dolphin (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18261; Wed, 24 May 95 11:06:41 EDT Received: from lamprey by loach.fore.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23000; Wed, 24 May 95 11:06:41 EDT Message-Id: <9505241506.AA23000@loach.fore.com> To: julian@ref.tfs.com Cc: jcarlin@fore.com, rv@fore.com Subject: Re: DRIVERS for FORE systems cards under FREEBSD unix Reply-To: pss@fore.com X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 11:06:39 -0400 From: Pragnesh Sampat Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >>Do you have anyone doing work for any of the Free BSD unix's > >Not at this time. We do offer an ISV program, (ForeThought Independant >Software Developers) that will allow you to write drivers for our >adapters in the OS of you choice. This program provides you with >2 adapters, limited source code, a manual and support for two >engineers. The current price is $20,000 for the ISV. >> >>We would like to use this platform to evaluate >>some project possibilities and would like to be able >>to plug the systems into our asx200 directly. >>(we have 100Mb ethernet drivers but would like to try ATM as well) >> FYI, There is also a version of our "aali.ps" on the ftp server (ftp.fore.com:/pub/docs). This is the ATM Adaptation Layer Interface document. Here's the post I made to linux-atm@vger.rutgers.edu and responded to queries from many FreeBSD developers (e. g, phk@tfs.com has this info also) also. -Pragnesh Note: This posting is somewhat commercial in nature. FORE Systems is interested in enabling an ATM driver for Linux. For the unfamiliar, FORE Systems supports the widest range of platforms/busses (EISA, PCI relevant to the PCs for example) for ATM adapters for various standard physical media (OC3, Taxi, UTP). Please see below for more information about the company and for contact information. Towards this end we are willing to make the ATM Adaptation Layer Interface (AALI) specification available to the public via various information servers (ftp, www etc.). 200 series adapter cards have an i960 processor to do the SAR. This is done by the firmware which is shipped with the software that goes with the adapter. The firmware is normally downloaded during boot and is mostly transparent to the user. ESA-200PC would come with the right firmware to run on a PC. The AALI is an interface to the firmware and will be needed for driver development if a 200 series adapter will be used. It would something like: IP | Driver | firmware | 200 series The AALI is available from: ftp.fore.com:/pub/docs/ aali.readme aali.ps -Pragnesh FORE Systems, Inc. Company and Contact Information: FORE Systems is the worldwide leader in the design, development, manufacture, and sale of high performance local area networking products based on ATM (Asynchronous Transfer Mode) technology. FORE offers the most comprehensive ATM LAN product line available today including ForeRunner switches, adapter cards, LAN access products, and video adapters, ForeThought internetworking software, and ForeView network management software. FORE has delivered ATM solutions to over 500 customers including Fortune 500 companies, telecommunications service providers, government agencies, research institutions, and universities. FORE Systems' headquarters are located at 174 Thorn Hill Road, Warrendale, Pennsylvania 15086. email: info@fore.com Phone: (412) 772-6600 Fax : (412) 772-6500 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 13:38:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA23235 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:38:27 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA23153 ; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:36:31 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id NAA23505; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:35:55 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199505242035.NAA23505@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD To: rv@fore.com (Rajesh Vaidheeswarran) Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 13:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, announce@FreeBSD.org, pss@fore.com In-Reply-To: <9505241553.AA25134@loach.fore.com> from "Rajesh Vaidheeswarran" at May 24, 95 11:53:10 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 194 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk That reminds me... some university (I just went to look for that mail too but can't find it) said they were developing a fore driver under NDA. I assume they know about this.... > > julian From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 13:59:41 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA24046 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:59:41 -0700 Received: from bigdipper.iagi.net (bigdipper.iagi.net [198.6.14.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA24030 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:59:34 -0700 Received: (from adhir@localhost) by bigdipper.iagi.net (8.6.8/8.6.6) id QAA09086; Wed, 24 May 1995 16:59:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 16:59:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Alok K. Dhir" To: Bill Fenner cc: Brad Midgley , hackers@FreeBSD.org, junkmail@pht.com Subject: Re: CAP status in current? In-Reply-To: <95May23.165853pdt.49871@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 23 May 1995, Bill Fenner wrote: > In message you write: > >I've been wondering if -current compiles Columbia Appletalk cleanly. > > I was under the impression that netatalk would make more sense, since it puts > more of the protocol handling in the kernel. I haven't looked at this stuff > for a while, though... NetAtalk is definitely the way to go. CAP is written fom the perspective of a Macintosh networking, requiring an in-depth understanding of Appletalk/Ethertalk/etc to get it working, whereas NetAtalk is written from a TCP/IP networking perspective. As I understand it, NetAtalk is also a faster implementation due at least in part to its being a kernel level implementation(instead of needing bpfilter, etc). Anyone have any ongoing work along these lines? Alok K. Dhir Internet Access Group, Inc. adhir@iagi.net (301) 652-0484 Fax: (301) 652-0649 http://www.iagi.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 14:14:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA24383 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:14:03 -0700 Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA24299 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:09:28 -0700 Received: from latte.eng.umd.edu (latte.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.15]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA24540; Wed, 24 May 1995 17:09:12 -0400 Received: (chuckr@localhost) by latte.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id RAA06106; Wed, 24 May 1995 17:09:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 17:09:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: "matthew c. mead" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Zip Drives In-Reply-To: <199505241959.PAA06333@Glock.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 24 May 1995, matthew c. mead wrote: > Has anyone tried the new IOMEGA Zip drives? They're the $200 > drives with the $20 100M cartridges. I've been wondering how reliable they > are, if they could be used for fairly easy backup of a FreeBSD system, and > if anyone has had any problems interfacing them to FreeBSD (it's a SCSI > peripheral, so I would tend to think it would look like any other > removable drive). Thanks in advance. > I made a deal with Justin Gibbs: I lend him a zip drive, he works on the driver I use (2842A) and tried to get it working. I ordered one from MicroWarehouse, they said they'd ship in days, then weeks, now they're not sure. I guess this is waiting on MicroWarehouse, unless someone knows a SURE better supplier. Thank Justin for the offer, I guess. BTW, it's supposed to go direct to Justin, I won't see it until afterwards, but a Mac'ified friend of mine gave me a demo, and what a drive! Imagine a FAST 100 meg floppy! Access times quoted at 29 msec. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 7608 Topton St. | New Carrollton, MD 20784 | I run Journey2 (Freebsd 2.0) and n3lxx (301) 459-2316 | (FreeBSD 1.1.5.1) and am I happy! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 14:19:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA24537 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:19:40 -0700 Received: from fore.com (relay.fore.com [169.144.1.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA24481 ; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:16:11 -0700 Received: from dolphin (dolphin.fore.com [169.144.1.16]) by fore.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA09077; Wed, 24 May 1995 17:14:09 -0400 Received: from loach.fore.com by dolphin (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01279; Wed, 24 May 95 17:14:58 EDT Received: from lamprey by loach.fore.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09336; Wed, 24 May 95 17:14:57 EDT Message-Id: <9505242114.AA09336@loach.fore.com> To: Julian Elischer Cc: rv@fore.com (Rajesh Vaidheeswarran), hackers@FreeBSD.org, announce@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message from Julian Elischer of "Wed, 24 May 1995 13:29:49 PDT." <199505242029.NAA23457@ref.tfs.com> Reply-To: pss@fore.com X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 17:14:50 -0400 From: Pragnesh Sampat Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I asked Fore systems about this.. > (4 days ago) > their response email (unfortunatly deleted) said > we would have to pay (I think) $10,000 (or was it 20?) > and sign an NDA. > > I wish they'd make up their mind! > Poul and I have an ATM network with FORE aystems on it we could test against, > but I doubt we're going to fork over 10K for it.. > > julian The AALI is on our ftp server and a public document. It does *not* require an NDA. What Jim Carlin (the email you are referring to) meant was for a program we have for Independent Software Vendors (ISV). ISV is a package which has the source code to the driver in addition to the AALI (and some other stuff) and requires an NDA. There are vendors who buy this and port/build a driver for their platform etc. Jim just may not have been aware that the AALI is a publicly available document. I hope this is clear. Let me know otherwise. -Pragnesh > > > > > > I had originally mentioned this only to 2 people, which was Jordan > > K. Hubbard and Paul Henning-Kemp, but since I have received a lot of > > queries on this, I thought I might as well post it on the FreeBSD announce > > groups. > > > > Included below is a posting done on the Linux-atm mailing group, by > > Pragnesh Sampat. I have just adapted for FreeBSD. > > > > RV > > > > -------------------------- Announcement ---------------------------------- > > Note: This posting is somewhat commercial in nature. > > > > FORE Systems is interested in enabling an ATM driver for FreeBSD. > > > > For the unfamiliar, FORE Systems supports the widest range of > > platforms/busses (EISA, PCI relevant to the PCs for example) for ATM > > adapters for various standard physical media (OC3, Taxi, UTP). Please see > > below for more information about the company and for contact information. > > > > Towards this end we are willing to make the ATM Adaptation Layer Interface > > (AALI) specification available to the public via various information > > servers (ftp, www etc.). > > > > 200 series adapter cards have an i960 processor to do the SAR. This is > > done by the firmware which is shipped with the software that goes with the > > adapter. The firmware is normally downloaded during boot and is mostly > > transparent to the user. ESA-200PC would come with the right firmware to > > run on a PC. The AALI is an interface to the firmware and will be needed > > for driver development if a 200 series adapter will be used. > > > > It would something like: > > > > > > IP > > | > > Driver > > | > > firmware > > | > > 200 series > > > > > > The AALI is available from: > > > > ftp.fore.com:/pub/docs/ > > > > aali.readme > > aali.ps > > > > > > --Pragnesh > > > > FORE Systems, Inc. > > > > Company and Contact Information: > > > > FORE Systems is the worldwide leader in the design, development, > > manufacture, and sale of high performance local area networking products > > based on ATM (Asynchronous Transfer Mode) technology. FORE offers the most > > comprehensive ATM LAN product line available today including ForeRunner > > switches, adapter cards, LAN access products, and video adapters, > > ForeThought internetworking software, and ForeView network management > > software. FORE has delivered ATM solutions to over 500 customers including > > Fortune 500 companies, telecommunications service providers, government > > agencies, research institutions, and universities. FORE Systems' > > headquarters are located at 174 Thorn Hill Road, Warrendale, Pennsylvania > > 15086. > > > > email: info@fore.com > > Phone: (412) 772-6600 > > Fax : (412) 772-6500 > > > > -------------------------- Announcement ---------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 14:24:07 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA24646 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:24:07 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA24639 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:24:03 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA09775; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:23:15 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505242123.OAA09775@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Zip Drives To: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 14:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: mmead@Glock.COM, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at May 24, 95 05:09:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1343 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Wed, 24 May 1995, matthew c. mead wrote: > > > Has anyone tried the new IOMEGA Zip drives? They're the $200 > > drives with the $20 100M cartridges. I've been wondering how reliable they > > are, if they could be used for fairly easy backup of a FreeBSD system, and > > if anyone has had any problems interfacing them to FreeBSD (it's a SCSI > > peripheral, so I would tend to think it would look like any other > > removable drive). Thanks in advance. > > > > I made a deal with Justin Gibbs: I lend him a zip drive, he works on > the driver I use (2842A) and tried to get it working. I ordered one > from MicroWarehouse, they said they'd ship in days, then weeks, now they're > not sure. I guess this is waiting on MicroWarehouse, unless someone knows > a SURE better supplier. Thank Justin for the offer, I guess. > > BTW, it's supposed to go direct to Justin, I won't see it until > afterwards, but a Mac'ified friend of mine gave me a demo, and what a drive! > Imagine a FAST 100 meg floppy! Access times quoted at 29 msec. I just called on these, they are avaliable to mass market (ie, OEM's) only at this time. You are going to be waiting a while for it. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 14:29:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA24787 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:29:14 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA24716 ; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:26:14 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id OAA23757; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:25:40 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199505242125.OAA23757@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD To: pss@fore.com Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 14:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Cc: julian@ref.tfs.com, rv@fore.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org, announce@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9505242114.AA09336@loach.fore.com> from "Pragnesh Sampat" at May 24, 95 05:14:50 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1044 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I wish they'd make up their mind! > > Poul and I have an ATM network with FORE aystems on it we could test against, > > but I doubt we're going to fork over 10K for it.. > > > > julian > > The AALI is on our ftp server and a public document. It does *not* require > an NDA. What Jim Carlin (the email you are referring to) meant was for a > program we have for Independent Software Vendors (ISV). ISV is a package > which has the source code to the driver in addition to the AALI (and some > other stuff) and requires an NDA. There are vendors who buy this and > port/build a driver for their platform etc. Jim just may not have been > aware that the AALI is a publicly available document. I hope this is > clear. Let me know otherwise. So what exactly is this offer then ? Now >I'm< confused too. Oh and btw, what is the prices for your boards ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 14:53:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA25365 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:53:59 -0700 Received: from server.iadfw.net (root@server.iadfw.net [204.178.72.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA25356 ; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:53:13 -0700 Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by server.iadfw.net (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA13381; Wed, 24 May 1995 16:52:35 -0500 From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199505242152.QAA13381@server.iadfw.net> Subject: mb_map full To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 16:52:30 -0500 (CDT) Cc: davidg@FreeBSD.org, jbryant@endersbox.iadfw.net Reply-To: jbryant@endersbox.iadfw.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1119 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We are currently having a major problem. Our news server is a heavily used machine, is a pentium, has 128M RAM and 128M swap space, and is usually up to 80% swapbound. The problem is that the system seems to temporarily freeze for minutes at a time. Last night I noticed a syslog saying "mb_map full" around the time of the freeze, did a check, and found a load of those corresponding roughly with previous freeze-ups. Question: Would it be fixed by increasing MAX_KMAP in /usr/src/sys/vm/vm_map.h ? If not, then how can I eliminate this problem? Apparently, nothing is lost during the freeze-ups, and as a matter of fact, everything just picks up right where it left off. I have ruled out "swap_pager: out of space", as we only saw that again two days ago [time for yet another memory upgrade]. Jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" jbryant@server.iadfw.net, System administrator, Internet America From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 15:44:28 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA26442 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 15:44:28 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA26430 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 15:44:24 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA14246 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Wed, 24 May 1995 17:33:54 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA19531; 24 May 95 17:01:23 CDT (Wed) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id RAA19528; Wed, 24 May 1995 17:01:22 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199505242201.RAA19528@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: cool gadget in XFree86 To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 17:01:21 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505241755.KAA22913@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at May 24, 95 10:55:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 311 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I just remade my XFree86 and found the Xnest server. > In case you don't know, it's an X11 server which runs in a X11 window. How does it handle color table requests? Could you set up an xnest -install? If so I could run it in a screen under CTWM to get back some of the functionality I miss from my Amiga. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 15:52:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA26569 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 15:52:05 -0700 Received: from orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil ([158.9.11.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA26561 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 15:52:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199505242252.PAA26561@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA064165811; Wed, 24 May 1995 18:50:11 -0400 From: william pechter ILEX Subject: April Snap hang To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-hackers) Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 18:50:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 636 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Any suggestions as to what to do when you get a hang booting from hard disk with the 950412 Snap. My last message is -- changing root to sd0a 3/22 snap drops out with SIG12 on boot from hard disk 2/xx snap (I can't find anymore) 2.0-RELEASE automatically reboots when booting from hard disk... All boot and load from floppy to hard disk partition OK. Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter |Systems Administrator | N2RDI Ilex Systems |170 Patterson Ave | Shrewsbury, New Jersey 07702 908-532-2369 |pechter@sesd.ilex.com | pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 16:07:57 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA26792 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 16:07:57 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA26786 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 16:07:55 -0700 Received: from gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com ([13.252.21.73]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14709(3)>; Wed, 24 May 1995 16:02:41 PDT Received: by gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01644; Wed, 24 May 95 19:02:44 EDT Message-Id: <9505242302.AA01644@gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com> To: "matthew c. mead" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Zip Drives In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 24 May 1995 12:59:43 PDT." <199505241959.PAA06333@Glock.COM> Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 16:02:43 PDT From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Has anyone tried the new IOMEGA Zip drives? They're the $200 >drives with the $20 100M cartridges. I've been wondering how reliable they >are, if they could be used for fairly easy backup of a FreeBSD system, and >if anyone has had any problems interfacing them to FreeBSD (it's a SCSI >peripheral, so I would tend to think it would look like any other >removable drive). Thanks in advance. > > >-matt > >-- >Matthew C. Mead -> Virginia Tech Center for Transportation Research - > -> Multiple Platform System and Network Administration >Work Related -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu | mmead@goof.com <- All Other >---- ------- WWW -> http://www.goof.com/~mmead --- ----- I have the same question... They just had an article in the Rochester paper, saying none of the computer stores have seen them (but they're on order -- CompUsa and computer city...) marty From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 16:16:52 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA26945 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 16:16:52 -0700 Received: from relay.hp.com (relay.hp.com [15.255.152.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA26939 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 16:16:51 -0700 Received: from hpautobo.aus.hp.com by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.15/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA095127407; Wed, 24 May 1995 16:16:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199505242316.AA095127407@relay.hp.com> Received: by hpautobo.aus.hp.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA152867397; Thu, 25 May 1995 09:16:37 +1000 From: M C Wong Subject: Re: UPS 3.7 To: kurto@tiny.mcs.usu.edu (Kurt Olsen) (Kurt Olsen) Date: Thu, 25 May 95 9:16:37 EST Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199505241748.LAA26212@tiny.mcs.usu.edu>; from "Kurt Olsen" at May 24, 95 11:48 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Here is a forwared copy of Mark's announcement. There is also patches in > the ports directory (or in incoming I forget) to make this work with 2.x. > > > Kurt, > > Here's some original mail from Mark. > > ...alan > > --- Forwarded mail from Mark Russell > > To: ups-users@ukc.ac.uk > > The latest version of the ups 3 alpha release is now available. This > has fixes for various bugs reported by people who tested the 3.6alpha > release. Many thanks to everyone who tried it out and reported > problems. > > As well as bug fixes this version includes a CHANGES file with details > of the new features. I have appended a copy of the CHANGES file to > this message. > > The release is available by anonymous FTP from unix.hensa.ac.uk. The > path is /misc/unix/ups/ups-3.7-alpha.tar.Z. There is also a patch to > covert from 3.6-alpha to 3.7-alpha. The path of the patch file is > /misc/unix/ups/ups-3.6-to-3.7-alpha.patch.Z. > > Mark > Just last check, and it has been moved to : /pub/misc/unix/ups -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ M.C Wong Email: mcw@hpato.aus.hp.com Australian Telecom Operation Voice: +61 3 272 8058 Hewlett-Packard Australia Ltd Fax: +61 3 898 9257 31 Joseph St, Blackburn 3130, Australia OS: FreeBSD-1.1.5.1 http://hpautow.aus.hp.com:9999/~mcw/mcw.html (or http://hpautorf/~mcw) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 16:33:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA27301 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 16:33:18 -0700 Received: from kf0yn.ampr.org (s087.netins.net [167.142.100.87]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA27292 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 16:33:13 -0700 Received: from [44.50.32.7] (macintosh [44.50.32.7]) by kf0yn.ampr.org (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA10273; Wed, 24 May 1995 18:33:00 -0459 X-Sender: cmf@44.50.32.6 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 18:36:38 -0500 To: mmead@Glock.COM (matthew c. mead) From: cmf@netins.net (Carl Fongheiser) Subject: Re: Photo CD utils? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I found a Corel Professional Photos CDROM laying around today, and >I would like to get some of these pictures available under FreeBSD. I just >popped the disk into a Solaris 2.4 box and it mounted it successfully, so I >assume I can do the same with FreeBSD. Does anyone know of utilities for >unix to convert .pcd (Kodak PhotoCD format) files to things I can view? >Thanks! There's a program that appeared on alt.sources a while back called hpcdtoppm. As you might guess from the name, it converts a pcd file to a ppm file, which you could then convert to the format of your choice with the PBMplus stuff. Carl Fongheiser cmf@netins.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 16:35:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA27385 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 16:35:01 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA27376 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 16:34:56 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA27806; Wed, 24 May 1995 16:37:57 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA00144; Wed, 24 May 1995 16:35:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199505242335.QAA00144@corbin.Root.COM> To: jbryant@endersbox.iadfw.net cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mb_map full In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 24 May 95 16:52:30 CDT." <199505242152.QAA13381@server.iadfw.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 16:35:00 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >We are currently having a major problem. > >Our news server is a heavily used machine, is a pentium, has 128M RAM and >128M swap space, and is usually up to 80% swapbound. > >The problem is that the system seems to temporarily freeze for minutes at >a time. Last night I noticed a syslog saying "mb_map full" around the >time of the freeze, did a check, and found a load of those corresponding >roughly with previous freeze-ups. Add options "NMBCLUSTERS=2048" to you kernel config file. There have been so many complaints about this that I'm going to make it dynamic (based on maxusers) RSN. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 17:04:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA28108 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 17:04:26 -0700 Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.97.216]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA28083 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 17:04:22 -0700 Received: (from kargl@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA04363; Wed, 24 May 1995 16:59:39 -0700 From: Steven G Kargl Message-Id: <199505242359.QAA04363@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: April Snap hang To: pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil (william pechter ILEX) Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 16:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505242252.PAA26561@freefall.cdrom.com> from "william pechter ILEX" at May 24, 95 06:50:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 707 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to william pechter ILEX: > > Any suggestions as to what to do when you get a hang booting from > hard disk with the 950412 Snap. > > My last message is -- changing root to sd0a > > 3/22 snap drops out with SIG12 on boot from hard disk > 2/xx snap (I can't find anymore) > 2.0-RELEASE automatically reboots when booting from hard disk... > > All boot and load from floppy to hard disk partition OK. > My first suggestion is to include a description of the hardware. -- Steven G. Kargl | Phone: 206-685-4677 | Applied Physics Lab | Fax: 206-543-6785 | Univ. of Washington |---------------------| 1013 NE 40th St | FreeBSD 2.1-current | Seattle, WA 98105 |---------------------| From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 17:43:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA29244 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 17:43:39 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA29230 ; Wed, 24 May 1995 17:43:18 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA07392; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:42:44 +1000 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 10:42:44 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199505250042.KAA07392@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, terry@cs.weber.edu Subject: Re: Cyclades Driver/Multi-port Serial Card Cc: bde@freefall.cdrom.com, br\ian@med\iac\ity.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org, jkh@freefall.cdrom.com, julian@ref.tfs.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> large as the original driver). I intend to make even larger changes so >> that all the serial drivers use a common front end. cy.c currently has >> about 30K of code (out of 60K total) in common with sio.c. rc.c and >> cy.c are very similar. They drive similar Cirrus Logic chips and are >> based on sio.c for the non-hardware parts. >If you put a common cannonical processing front end on things, then you >are a god in my book! My personal preference is for a module that is >ldterm type seperable and shared with the console (I have a fetish for >Streams). I meant a front end for open() (there is lots of device-independent code for bidirectional devices), pseudo-DMA interrupt handlers (only the lowest level is very device-dependent), ... I think you actually want non-common not-necessarily-canonical processing: generate maximally efficient routines for certain devices, line disciplines, and internal settings of the line disciplines and load these into the kernel as required. This is too hard for me. I'll settle for maximally efficient slip and ppp disciplines. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 19:04:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA05488 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 19:04:05 -0700 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA05454 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 19:03:45 -0700 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA00242; Thu, 25 May 1995 08:02:59 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199505250302.IAA00242@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: Another idea about my sound card (perhaps Plug&Play is the problem?) To: ponds!rivers@dg-rtp.dg.com (Thomas David Rivers) Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 08:02:59 +0500 (GMT+0500) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com, rivers@dg-rtp.dg.com In-Reply-To: <199505241729.NAA01329@lakes> from "Thomas David Rivers" at May 24, 95 01:29:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 637 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > If this is the case with this "Plug and Play" device, what are we to > do with other "Plug and Play" cards in the future, which will similar > not have jumpers, but instead be informed of their IRQ, etc... Does > any have an idea of how to negotiate an IRQ with a "Plug and Play" > card? 3c5x9 adapters are claimed to be "Plug-n-Play" too. You can look at its initialization scheme in if_ep.c. At initialization time such thing as manufacturer ID is checked, so it may be an universal "Plug-n-Play" scheme. Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 19:04:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA05575 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 19:04:44 -0700 Received: from mailbox.syr.edu (mailbox.syr.EDU [128.230.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA05561 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 19:04:38 -0700 Received: from kong.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id WAA08105; Wed, 24 May 1995 22:07:15 -0400 Received: by kong.syr.edu (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA13572; Wed, 24 May 95 22:04:26 EDT Message-Id: <9505250204.AA13572@kong.syr.edu> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ups 2.45.2 Does C++ In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 24 May 95 15:11:44 +0100." <199505241311.PAA19529@blaise.ibp.fr> Date: Wed, 24 May 95 22:04:25 -0400 From: "Shawn M. Carey" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199505241311.PAA19529@blaise.ibp.fr> you write: >> ups 2.45.2 is rather old, I thought the current version was 3.7 ? > >Do you have a pointer for a recent version 3.x ? I've been unable to >find it with archie. > A little off topic, but I thought some of you might be interested in this. I just recently got ddd-1.2 up and running on my 1.1.5 system. Ddd is a GPL'd X/Motif based gdb/dbx driver. I usually prefer the good old emacs-gud method of debugging, but that may change after a few more ddd sessions! Here's the first few paragraphs of the blurb: The Data Display Debugger (DDD) is a novel graphical user interface to GDB and DBX, the popular UNIX debuggers. Besides ``usual'' features such as viewing source texts and breakpoints, DDD provides a *graphical data display*, where data structures are displayed as graphs. A simple mouse click dereferences pointers or views structure contents. Complex data structures can be explored incrementally and interactively, using automatic layout if preferred. Each time the program stops, the data display reflects the current variable values. Using DDD, you can reason about your application by viewing its data, not just by viewing it execute lines of source code. Other DDD features include: debugging of programs written in C, C++, Pascal, or Modula-2; hypertext source navigation and lookup; GDB/DBX command-line interface with full editing, history, and completion capabilities; breakpoint, backtrace, and history editors; optional program execution in terminal emulator window; debugging on remote host; on-line manual; interactive help on the OSF/Motif user interface. DDD has been designed to compete with well-known commercial debuggers. You can get the source for ddd at: ftp://ftp.ips.cs.tu-bs.de:/pub/local/softech/ddd/ddd-1.2.tar.gz I also have diffs that fix a few minor problems for 1.1.5, if anyone is interested. -Shawn Carey From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 19:15:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA07179 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 19:15:30 -0700 Received: from fore.com (relay.fore.com [169.144.1.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA05722 ; Wed, 24 May 1995 19:05:50 -0700 Received: from dolphin (dolphin.fore.com [169.144.1.16]) by fore.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id WAA10588; Wed, 24 May 1995 22:03:48 -0400 Received: from loach.fore.com by dolphin (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12317; Wed, 24 May 95 22:04:36 EDT Received: from lamprey by loach.fore.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12419; Wed, 24 May 95 22:04:36 EDT Message-Id: <9505250204.AA12419@loach.fore.com> To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: julian@ref.tfs.com, rv@fore.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org, announce@FreeBSD.org, pss@fore.com Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message from Poul-Henning Kamp of "Wed, 24 May 1995 14:25:40 PDT." <199505242125.OAA23757@ref.tfs.com> Reply-To: pss@fore.com X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 22:04:35 -0400 From: Pragnesh Sampat Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I wish they'd make up their mind! > > > Poul and I have an ATM network with FORE aystems on it we could test > > > against, > > > but I doubt we're going to fork over 10K for it.. > > > > > > julian > > > > The AALI is on our ftp server and a public document. It does *not* require > > an NDA. What Jim Carlin (the email you are referring to) meant was for a > > program we have for Independent Software Vendors (ISV). ISV is a package > > which has the source code to the driver in addition to the AALI (and some > > other stuff) and requires an NDA. There are vendors who buy this and > > port/build a driver for their platform etc. Jim just may not have been > > aware that the AALI is a publicly available document. I hope this is > > clear. Let me know otherwise. > > So what exactly is this offer then ? > > Now >I'm< confused too. > The offer is that the document (AALI) which was not available earlier without an NDA is now available for interested people. This is the (only) change from previous situation. Of course, any driver/software developed using this in not under any licensing stuff or restriction as this is a public document. Unfortunately (as I realized now), I think this created some confusion as there was someone (referring to the message Bill Arbaugh of DSL Lab at upenn sent out) already developing a driver under ISV program for FreeBSD/NetBSD (with whatever restrictions it has regarding the sources etc.,). This is different from the above paragraph and has not changed at all. > Oh and btw, what is the prices for your boards ? > I really don't know. I mostly have rough ideas. It is best to contact "info@fore.com" to find out exactly. And, these things keep changing because of competetion, new hardware revisions etc., etc., so I am generally in a bad position to quote these prices. As a rough idea on the ESA-200PC board for example, the last I knew, it used to be (approximately) between $1600 and $1900 depending on the physical media. -Pragnesh From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 19:42:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA08546 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 19:42:08 -0700 Received: from orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil ([158.9.11.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA08540 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 19:42:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199505250242.TAA08540@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by orion.stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA065479605; Wed, 24 May 1995 22:40:05 -0400 From: william pechter ILEX Subject: Re: April Snap hang To: bugs@ns1.win.net (Mark Hittinger) Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 22:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-hackers) In-Reply-To: <199505250014.UAA03588@ns1.win.net> from "Mark Hittinger" at May 24, 95 08:14:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 803 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > Any suggestions as to what to do when you get a hang booting from > > hard disk with the 950412 Snap. > > see if that gets you up. If so you might need to build yourself another > kernel without the ie0 device. The hardware's a 486 with 8mb memory (ISA BUS) micronics motherboard Adaptec 1542, 8003 WD ethernet (8bit), ATI VGA, 2 serial 1 parallel port and I tried disabling everything except AHA and NPX and I got to sysinstall: running as init with the turbo off, no cache and no shadowing of any roms. Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter |Systems Administrator | N2RDI Ilex Systems |170 Patterson Ave | Shrewsbury, New Jersey 07702 908-532-2369 |pechter@sesd.ilex.com | pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 24 20:11:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA09666 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 1995 20:11:15 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA09649 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 20:10:40 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA12320 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for hackers@FreeBSD.org); Thu, 25 May 1995 13:07:09 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199505250307.AA12320@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: Re: cool gadget in XFree86 To: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 13:07:08 +1000 (EST) Cc: phk@ref.tfs.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505242201.RAA19528@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at May 24, 95 05:01:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 269 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> I just remade my XFree86 and found the Xnest server. >> In case you don't know, it's an X11 server which runs in a X11 window. > >How does it handle color table requests? Could you set up an xnest -install? It uses a private colourmap (at least by default). David From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 02:09:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA19572 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 02:09:23 -0700 Received: from amalfi.trl.OZ.AU (amalfi.trl.OZ.AU [137.147.99.99]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA19566 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 02:09:15 -0700 Received: from orca1.vic.design.telecom.com.au ([145.136.55.131]) by amalfi.trl.OZ.AU (8.6.10/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA01690; Thu, 25 May 1995 19:05:47 +1000 Received: from [144.139.63.32] by orca1.vic.design.telecom.com.au with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14564; Thu, 25 May 95 14:46:23 +1000 Received: from netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au (netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au [144.139.63.32]) by netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA15892; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:09:19 +0800 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 13:09:18 +0800 (WST) From: Terry Dwyer To: "Shawn M. Carey" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ups 2.45.2 Does C++ In-Reply-To: <9505250204.AA13572@kong.syr.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 24 May 1995, Shawn M. Carey wrote: > > I just recently got ddd-1.2 up and running on my 1.1.5 system. Ddd is > a GPL'd X/Motif based gdb/dbx driver. I usually prefer the good old ^^^^^^^^^^^ > -Shawn Carey Any chance you might put the 1.1.5 binary up for ftp somewhere for the Motif impaired among us? _-_|\ Terry Dwyer E-Mail: tdwyer@netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au / \ System Administrator Phone: +61 9 491 5161 Fax: +61 9 221 2631 *_.^\_/ Telecom Australia Telstra Corporation MIME capable mailer v Perth WA ( I do not speak for Telstra or Telecom ) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 06:35:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA23529 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 06:35:27 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA23523 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 06:35:13 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA28260; Thu, 25 May 1995 21:35:24 +0800 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 21:35:24 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: multi virtual web sites In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 May 1995, Tom Samplonius wrote: > > This is supported on almost all BSD systems. Linux apparently does not > support it, but there is patch for a 1.2.1 kernel, but is supposed to be > rather crude. I don't believe their version of ifconfig supports the "alias" option (the man page certainly makes no mention of it). This is on a Linux 1.2.8 system. The patch still involves configuring multiple pseudo SLIP or PPP devices. One of the staff machines at io.org is a Linux box configured in this way: one IP address bound to the Ethernet interface and one bound to its SLIP connection. Seems rather awkward compared to the BSD way of doing things. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 06:36:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA23571 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 06:36:35 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA23521 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 06:35:09 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA28236; Thu, 25 May 1995 21:27:18 +0800 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 21:27:17 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: jbryant@endersbox.iadfw.net cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mb_map full In-Reply-To: <199505242152.QAA13381@server.iadfw.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 24 May 1995, Jim Bryant wrote: > > Our news server is a heavily used machine, is a pentium, has 128M RAM and > 128M swap space, and is usually up to 80% swapbound. Wow... that's a busy news machine... > Apparently, nothing is lost during the freeze-ups, and as a matter of > fact, everything just picks up right where it left off. I have ruled out > "swap_pager: out of space", as we only saw that again two days ago [time > for yet another memory upgrade]. Since you say "everything just picks up right where it left off" after an "mb_map full" message, I assume the machine hasn't lost the network? On the two occasions that it has happened on a machine here, I had to reboot to get network access back. No pings were going out, and it would not respond to incoming pings. All the netstat displays looked normal and it *should* have been able to communicate with the outside world, but it wasn't. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 06:40:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA23825 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 06:40:08 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA23794 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 06:39:33 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA28269; Thu, 25 May 1995 21:39:18 +0800 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 21:39:18 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: multi virtual web sites In-Reply-To: <199505221447.KAA29131@ns1.win.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 22 May 1995, Mark Hittinger wrote: > > So if you grab the patches for your web server from: > > http://www.thesphere.com/%7Edlp/TwoServers > > You get to have more than TwoServers since you happen to be a FreeBSD > person. Beat that drum! Pound! Pound! The Apache Project httpd server already does this and supports at least five virtual hosts. I don't see any reason why it can't support more. The nice thing (apart from having different IP's on the same machine and returning separate Web hierarchies) is being able to split the access logs one per virtual host. Once I get a little more free time (trying to beat a publication deadline right now), I'll post up more results promoting FreeBSD as the One, True Web Platform on my machine. http://aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw/~taob/Bench/ -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 06:41:48 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA23914 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 06:41:48 -0700 Received: from mercury.unt.edu (mercury.unt.edu [129.120.1.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA23908 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 06:41:46 -0700 Received: from gab.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA17419 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 08:41:44 -0500 Received: from GAB/MAILQUEUE by gab.unt.edu (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 25 May 95 8:41:44 CST6CDT Received: from MAILQUEUE by GAB (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 25 May 95 8:41:38 CST6CDT From: "John Booth" Organization: University of North Texas To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 08:41:33 CST6CDT Subject: kvm_read: Bad address?... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <71BD327E52@gab.unt.edu> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think perhaps in the process of upgrading to current, I may have missed something. Any suggestions....everything seems to work except being an NFS server (and some alarming messages). netstat -a is giving me. Active Internet connections (including servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address (state) tcp 0 0 mercury.unt.edu.domain 232.12.148.240.28878 CLOSED netstat: kvm_read: kvm_read: Bad address netstat: kvm_read: kvm_read: Bad address tcp 0 0 purgatory.cascss.14883 120.12.148.240.28878 CLOSED netstat: kvm_read: kvm_read: Bad address netstat: kvm_read: kvm_read: Bad address tcp 0 0 *.* 132.12.148.240.28878 CLOSED netstat: kvm_read: kvm_read: Bad address netstat: kvm_read: kvm_read: Bad address tcp 0 0 *.* 160.12.148.240.28878 CLOSED netstat: kvm_read: kvm_read: Bad address netstat: kvm_read: kvm_read: Bad address tcp 0 0 *.* 200.12.148.240.28878 CLOSED netstat: kvm_read: kvm_read: Bad address netstat: kvm_read: kvm_read: Bad address ---------------------------------------------------------------------- College of Arts & Sciences Computing Services John A. Booth, john@gab.unt.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 06:48:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA24066 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 06:48:32 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA24060 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 06:48:20 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA22348 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Thu, 25 May 1995 08:34:03 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA07397; 25 May 95 08:30:04 CDT (Thu) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA07389; Thu, 25 May 1995 08:30:04 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199505251330.IAA07389@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: ups 2.45.2 Does C++ To: tdwyer@netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au (Terry Dwyer) Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 08:30:03 -0500 (CDT) Cc: smcarey@mailbox.syr.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Terry Dwyer" at May 25, 95 01:09:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 925 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I just recently got ddd-1.2 up and running on my 1.1.5 system. Ddd is > > a GPL'd X/Motif based gdb/dbx driver. I usually prefer the good old > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > Any chance you might put the 1.1.5 binary up for ftp somewhere for the Motif > impaired among us? Statically linked, please. A lot of 1.1.5 sites are running X386 instead of X11R6 and don't have the X11R6 libraries. I can't use the Mosaic 2.5 binary someone made, for example. So either link completely static or provide a X386 version as well as an X11R6 one. I find the idea of people GPLing a program that depends on Motif particularly ironic, since it's 100% opposed to the FSF ideal. It's actually encouraging the use of a proprietary package with a de-facto (since there's no free clones) proprietary interface. If someone does and I can get it up I'll make it available on my 1.1.5.1 web site, http://bonkers.neosoft.com/freebsd/ ... From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 08:26:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA27106 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 08:26:49 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA27100 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 08:26:48 -0700 Received: from dg-rtp.dg.com (dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com [128.222.1.2]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA08037 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 08:19:29 -0700 Received: by dg-rtp.dg.com (5.4R2.01/dg-rtp-v02) id AA03010; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:23:36 -0400 Received: from lakes (lakes [192.96.3.39]) by ponds.UUCP (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA29839 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:54:24 -0400 Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA02895 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:08:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 11:08:38 -0400 From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199505251508.LAA02895@lakes> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: More info about my sound card problems. Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK - I've finally gotten some information from MediaMagic regarding my sound card woes. 1) They will not tell me the phone number of the "chip manufacturer" 2) The "chip manufacturer" apparently will not call me back with programming information. 3) The "chip manufacturer" is OPTi (I had to beg and plead to get that much.) 4) The IRQ settings, etc... are stored on an ASIC on the card, not in NVRAM. So, a hard boot restores the default configuration. If you want a different configuration; you have to program the chip. (The tech. support guy indicated they weren't too happy with this situation, and several others, but OPTi wasn't about to change this.) So - at this point I'd like to ask the group: 1) Does anyone have OPTi's phone number, so I can call them directly. 2) Are other sound cards that have this phenomena, if so, what to people do about the printer wanting to use IRQ 7. - Thanks - - Dave Rivers - From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 08:33:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA27310 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 08:33:45 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA27303 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 08:33:44 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id IAA26553; Thu, 25 May 1995 08:33:39 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199505251533.IAA26553@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: More info about my sound card problems. To: ponds!rivers@dg-rtp.dg.com (Thomas David Rivers) Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 08:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199505251508.LAA02895@lakes> from "Thomas David Rivers" at May 25, 95 11:08:38 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 298 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > 1) Does anyone have OPTi's phone number, so I can call them > directly. +1 408 980 8178 BBS: +1 408 980 9774 -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 09:30:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA29168 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 09:30:21 -0700 Received: from saul3.u.washington.edu (spaz@saul3.u.washington.edu [140.142.83.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA29160 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 09:30:19 -0700 Received: by saul3.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA03553; Thu, 25 May 95 09:30:12 -0700 X-Sender: spaz@saul3.u.washington.edu Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 09:30:11 -0700 (PDT) From: John Utz To: Thomas David Rivers Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: More info about my sound card problems. In-Reply-To: <199505251508.LAA02895@lakes> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Dave; On Thu, 25 May 1995, Thomas David Rivers wrote: context cut ... > 3) The "chip manufacturer" is OPTi (I had to beg and plead to get that much.) > > 4) The IRQ settings, etc... are stored on an ASIC on the card, not in > NVRAM. So, a hard boot restores the default configuration. If you > want a different configuration; you have to program the chip. (The > tech. support guy indicated they weren't too happy with this situation, > and several others, but OPTi wasn't about to change this.) > Would i be correct in assuming that this chip is a YM3812? If so, then given the designation, Is it possible that it is a Yamaha Musical Products original that they just second sourced to opti? My PAS has one of these on it, too. If it is, then there is a book about soundcards that i almost bought at Barnes and Noble ( and i cant remember the name ) that has the asm API to a butload of theser guys, so pleading at the unenthusiastic tech support may not be needed... > > So - at this point I'd like to ask the group: > > 1) Does anyone have OPTi's phone number, so I can call them > directly. > > 2) Are other sound cards that have this phenomena, if so, > what to people do about the printer wanting to use IRQ 7. > Uh - oh! The soundcard interrupt aggravation rears it's ugly head! You're in for a bitch. It should be solvable. My crusty old Micronics 386 has a jumper setting for choosing the printer IRQ to either 7 or 5. The annoying part of this is that I wanted to keep my sio ports stock with the generic kernel, since that is my primary way of getting my upgrades into the system ( i only have one freebsd machine ). Int 5 is assigned to sio3 i believe... I sort of have it all sorted out on my machine , but it really just takes a lot of annoying fiddling to get it all to fly. And u wind up with a much less generic kernel... hope this helps.. > - Thanks - > - Dave Rivers - > > ******************************************************************************* John Utz spaz@stein.u.washington.edu idiocy is the impulse function in the convolution of life From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 10:08:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA00873 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:08:25 -0700 Received: from mpp.com (dialup-2-153.gw.umn.edu [134.84.101.153]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA00867 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:08:19 -0700 Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA00815 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 May 1995 12:07:29 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199505251707.MAA00815@mpp.com> Subject: Speeding up your slip link To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 12:07:29 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 776 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just in case anyone is interested, one way I found to squeeze a few more bytes through your SLIP link is to set "tcp_extensions=NO" in your /etc/sysconfig file. This disables the RFC1323 & RFC1644 extensions, which are really intended for high speed links. In fact, RFC1323 even suggests disabling it on slow links. If you don't normally connect to other hosts that support RFC1323 and RFC1644 then you won't see any difference. To determine if a host you are connecting to supports RFC1323, try examining some traffic to/from that machine with "tcpdump". If it indicates that the "timestamp" option was present, then it is sending the extra RFC1323 data. -- Mike Pritchard pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu "Go that way. Really fast. If something gets in your way, turn" From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 10:19:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01253 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:19:50 -0700 Received: from runix.runit.sintef.no (runix.runit.sintef.no [129.241.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA01247 ; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:19:39 -0700 Received: from runit.sintef.no by runix.runit.sintef.no with SMTP (PP) id <00281-0@runix.runit.sintef.no>; Thu, 25 May 1995 19:19:31 +0200 Received: from localhost by ravn.runit.sintef.no (4.1/Runit-cl-1.0) id AA12051; Thu, 25 May 95 19:19:29 +0200 Message-Id: <9505251719.AA12051@ravn.runit.sintef.no> To: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: More 3C589 problems X-Mailer: Mew beta version 0.89 on Emacs 19.28.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 19:19:23 +0200 From: Havard Eidnes Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have tried and failed to get my 3C589B to work with a self-made FreeBSD boot floppy, based on latest (April) snapshot, with the only change being that I replaced the kernel with a -current kernel as of yesterday. The 3C589 card is probed fine, the correct ethernet address is read out and everything looks ok until I try using the card. I see absolutely no packets coming from my laptop when using tcpdump on a neighbouring machine. After trying to ping a given address for somewhat less than 10 seconds, it says "Host down" or something like that (I guess it didn't receive a reply to it's ARP request). This is on a laptop with a Cirrus PD672x rev3 PCMCIA bridge chip, which I understand is a clone of the Intel PCMCIA chip, and from searching/reading the mail archives, this hardware combination was supposed to work. The depressing thing is that the same hardware works just fine under Linux with David Hinds' package, so that is what I am reverting to for the time being. :-( ;-) The only difference I could spot was that the FreeBSD driver placed the card at i/o 0x300, irq 10, whereas the Linux driver placed it at i/o 0x2e0, irq 9, but I guess the only thing differing here is the programming of the bridge chip, right? Thought you guys might like to know that there may still be bugs crawling around in this vicinity... Regards, - H=E5vard PS. If you follow up on this, please CC me as I am not yet a member on any of the freebsd lists. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 10:21:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01356 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:21:17 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA01350 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:21:16 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id KAA26940; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:21:11 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199505251721.KAA26940@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Speeding up your slip link To: pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Mike Pritchard) Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 10:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505251707.MAA00815@mpp.com> from "Mike Pritchard" at May 25, 95 12:07:29 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 956 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Just in case anyone is interested, one way I found to squeeze a > few more bytes through your SLIP link is to set "tcp_extensions=NO" > in your /etc/sysconfig file. This disables the RFC1323 & RFC1644 > extensions, which are really intended for high speed links. > In fact, RFC1323 even suggests disabling it on slow links. > > If you don't normally connect to other hosts that support RFC1323 > and RFC1644 then you won't see any difference. To determine if > a host you are connecting to supports RFC1323, try examining > some traffic to/from that machine with "tcpdump". If it indicates > that the "timestamp" option was present, then it is sending > the extra RFC1323 data. I guess we really should have a "bandwidth" for each interface and link it to that... -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 10:24:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01574 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:24:18 -0700 Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA01567 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:24:17 -0700 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA10803; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:24:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 13:24:41 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199505251724.NAA10803@Glock.COM> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey), hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Zip Drives In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, May 24, 1995 14:23:15 -0700 References: <199505242123.OAA09775@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, May 24, 1995 at 14:23:15 (-0700), Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > On Wed, 24 May 1995, matthew c. mead wrote: > > Imagine a FAST 100 meg floppy! Access times quoted at 29 msec. > I just called on these, they are avaliable to mass market (ie, OEM's) only > at this time. You are going to be waiting a while for it. Any chance you can get one? :-) Hint Hint. -matt -- Matthew C. Mead -> Virginia Tech Center for Transportation Research - -> Multiple Platform System and Network Administration Work Related -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu | mmead@goof.com <- All Other ---- ------- WWW -> http://www.goof.com/~mmead --- ----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 10:28:03 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01715 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:28:03 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA01702 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:27:50 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA00809; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:27:39 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505251727.KAA00809@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: More info about my sound card problems. To: ponds!rivers@dg-rtp.dg.com (Thomas David Rivers) Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 10:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199505251508.LAA02895@lakes> from "Thomas David Rivers" at May 25, 95 11:08:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1349 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > OK - I've finally gotten some information from MediaMagic > regarding my sound card woes. > > 1) They will not tell me the phone number of the "chip manufacturer" > > 2) The "chip manufacturer" apparently will not call me back with programming > information. > > 3) The "chip manufacturer" is OPTi (I had to beg and plead to get that much.) > > 4) The IRQ settings, etc... are stored on an ASIC on the card, not in > NVRAM. So, a hard boot restores the default configuration. If you > want a different configuration; you have to program the chip. (The > tech. support guy indicated they weren't too happy with this situation, > and several others, but OPTi wasn't about to change this.) > > > So - at this point I'd like to ask the group: > > 1) Does anyone have OPTi's phone number, so I can call them > directly. Not a number to a person, but maybe there is a number for a person on this (thanks to phk for getting this for me!!): Opti BBS (408) 980 9774 > 2) Are other sound cards that have this phenomena, if so, > what to people do about the printer wanting to use IRQ 7. > > > - Thanks - > - Dave Rivers - > > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 10:36:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01931 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:36:37 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA01924 ; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:36:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199505251736.KAA01924@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Mike Pritchard), hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Speeding up your slip link In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 May 95 10:21:11 PDT." <199505251721.KAA26940@ref.tfs.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 10:36:35 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Just in case anyone is interested, one way I found to squeeze a >> few more bytes through your SLIP link is to set "tcp_extensions=NO" >> in your /etc/sysconfig file. This disables the RFC1323 & RFC1644 >> extensions, which are really intended for high speed links. >> In fact, RFC1323 even suggests disabling it on slow links. >> >> If you don't normally connect to other hosts that support RFC1323 >> and RFC1644 then you won't see any difference. To determine if >> a host you are connecting to supports RFC1323, try examining >> some traffic to/from that machine with "tcpdump". If it indicates >> that the "timestamp" option was present, then it is sending >> the extra RFC1323 data. > >I guess we really should have a "bandwidth" for each interface and link >it to that... It needs to be a per device option anyway since its a pitty to lose the TTCP advantage on your local ethernet just because you have a slip line to a crusty annex that doesn't support either RFC. >-- >Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. >'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' >=> 'no rude people are relevant' -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 10:48:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA02135 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:48:24 -0700 Received: from dg-rtp.dg.com (dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com [128.222.1.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA02129 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:48:21 -0700 Received: by dg-rtp.dg.com (5.4R2.01/dg-rtp-v02) id AA00148; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:47:44 -0400 Received: from lakes (lakes [192.96.3.39]) by ponds.UUCP (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA01606; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:03:14 -0400 Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA03039; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:17:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 13:17:32 -0400 From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199505251717.NAA03039@lakes> To: ref.tfs.com!phk@dg-rtp.dg.com, ponds!rivers Subject: Re: More info about my sound card problems. Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > 1) Does anyone have OPTi's phone number, so I can call them > > directly. > +1 408 980 8178 > BBS: +1 408 980 9774 > > Wonderful! Thanks a whole bunch, I'll be given them a call! - Dave Rivers - From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 10:48:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA02146 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:48:30 -0700 Received: from dg-rtp.dg.com (dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com [128.222.1.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA02137 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:48:27 -0700 Received: by dg-rtp.dg.com (5.4R2.01/dg-rtp-v02) id AA00190; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:47:51 -0400 Received: from lakes (lakes [192.96.3.39]) by ponds.UUCP (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA01620; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:10:28 -0400 Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA03054; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:24:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 13:24:45 -0400 From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199505251724.NAA03054@lakes> To: u.washington.edu!spaz@dg-rtp.dg.com, ponds!rivers Subject: Re: More info about my sound card problems. Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi Dave; > > > On Thu, 25 May 1995, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > > context cut ... > > > > 3) The "chip manufacturer" is OPTi (I had to beg and plead to get that much.) > > > > 4) The IRQ settings, etc... are stored on an ASIC on the card, not in > > NVRAM. So, a hard boot restores the default configuration. If you > > want a different configuration; you have to program the chip. (The > > tech. support guy indicated they weren't too happy with this situation, > > and several others, but OPTi wasn't about to change this.) > > > > Would i be correct in assuming that this chip is a YM3812? If so, > then given the designation, Is it possible that it is a Yamaha Musical > Products original that they just second sourced to opti? My PAS has one > of these on it, too. I don't know; I'll have to pull apart the machine and look. The less-than-helpful documentation with the card doesn't detail any technical specifications. > > If it is, then there is a book about soundcards that i almost > bought at Barnes and Noble ( and i cant remember the name ) that has the > asm API to a butload of theser guys, so pleading at the unenthusiastic > tech support may not be needed... I'll have to trek down there and look for it. There's a Barnes and Noble on my way home from work - I'd stop there today but my wife is going to "Ladies night out," leaving me with my 19month old and 3 week old sons! (I forgot to tell everyone, we had another baby, on April 28th... after that time, I've been trying to whittle down on my incoming mail; I just broke the 2000 mark; hopefully, after this one starts sleeping through the night, I can become a little more active on the list again.) > > > > > So - at this point I'd like to ask the group: > > > > 1) Does anyone have OPTi's phone number, so I can call them > > directly. > > > > 2) Are other sound cards that have this phenomena, if so, > > what to people do about the printer wanting to use IRQ 7. > > > > Uh - oh! The soundcard interrupt aggravation rears it's ugly > head! You're in for a bitch. It should be solvable. My crusty old > Micronics 386 has a jumper setting for choosing the printer IRQ to either > 7 or 5. The annoying part of this is that I wanted to keep my sio ports > stock with the generic kernel, since that is my primary way of getting my > upgrades into the system ( i only have one freebsd machine ). Int 5 is > assigned to sio3 i believe... Yes, I had forgotten about simply moving the printer to IRQ 5 - but, as you say, I'll have to regen a kernel just to get it. I'm used to that, since I have my NE2000 sitting at IRQ 9 instead of the default. > > I sort of have it all sorted out on my machine , but it really > just takes a lot of annoying fiddling to get it all to fly. And u wind up > with a much less generic kernel... That's really not too much off a problem, with the boot -c stuff... It keeps getting easier all the time :-) > > hope this helps.. > > - Thanks - - Dave Rivers - From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 10:54:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA02212 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:54:22 -0700 Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA02204 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:54:13 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa28670; 25 May 95 18:30 +0100 Received: from bagpuss.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa07930; 25 May 95 18:30 +0100 Received: (karl@localhost) by bagpuss.demon.co.uk (3.1/3.1) id SAA00956; Thu, 25 May 1995 18:32:27 +0100 From: Karl Strickland Message-Id: <199505251732.SAA00956@bagpuss.demon.co.uk> Subject: FreeBSD 2.x - can it run in 4Mb? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 18:32:26 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 881 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Im interested in installing FreeBSD 2.x on a 486/33 with only 4Mb of ram. The box acts as a dedicated internet router, routing between sl0 and two ethernet boards. The box currently runs 1.1.1.5, but from time to time, it hangs. (no trap, no panic, no clues on console etc..) Im wondering if an upgrade to 2.x will cure this. Will 2.x run in only 4Mb of ram? Are there any reasons to suppose it will run 'better' in 4Mb than 1.x did? I suspect these hangs are due to a shortage of physical memory, as they are far less frequent on my main machines with 16Mb/20Mb/30Mb of RAM. Cheers, Karl -- ------------------------------------------+----------------------------------- Mailed using ELM on FreeBSD | Karl Strickland PGP 2.3a Public Key Available. | Internet: karl@bagpuss.demon.co.uk | From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 11:06:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA02349 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:06:13 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA02342 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:06:10 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA00952; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:05:56 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505251805.LAA00952@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Zip Drives To: mmead@Glock.COM (matthew c. mead) Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 11:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Cc: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505251724.NAA10803@Glock.COM> from "matthew c. mead" at May 25, 95 01:24:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 761 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Wed, May 24, 1995 at 14:23:15 (-0700), Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > On Wed, 24 May 1995, matthew c. mead wrote: > > > > Imagine a FAST 100 meg floppy! Access times quoted at 29 msec. > > > I just called on these, they are avaliable to mass market (ie, OEM's) only > > at this time. You are going to be waiting a while for it. > > Any chance you can get one? :-) Hint Hint. Would people please stop pestering me about these drives, I said I made the call, and they are *NOT* avaliable!!! That means my chances of getting one or 10 or 1000 are ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, can not do it!!!!! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 11:33:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA05965 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:33:01 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA05945 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:32:56 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <135>; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:48:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 11:48:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Mike Pritchard cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Speeding up your slip link In-Reply-To: <199505251707.MAA00815@mpp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 25 May 1995, Mike Pritchard wrote: > Just in case anyone is interested, one way I found to squeeze a > few more bytes through your SLIP link is to set "tcp_extensions=NO" > in your /etc/sysconfig file. This disables the RFC1323 & RFC1644 > extensions, which are really intended for high speed links. > In fact, RFC1323 even suggests disabling it on slow links. > > If you don't normally connect to other hosts that support RFC1323 > and RFC1644 then you won't see any difference. To determine if > a host you are connecting to supports RFC1323, try examining > some traffic to/from that machine with "tcpdump". If it indicates > that the "timestamp" option was present, then it is sending > the extra RFC1323 data. I saw some traffic about this on the NetBSD. Apparently, their SLIP code automaticaly stips this info if VJ header compression is used. This also affects PPP too. tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 11:38:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA06479 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:38:59 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA06445 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:37:53 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43148>; Thu, 25 May 1995 20:37:08 +0200 Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA29534 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 May 1995 17:45:08 +0200 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 17:45:08 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Message-Id: <199505251545.RAA29534@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: fdisk problem - any suggestions Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi folks, I've painted myself into a corner, & would welcome suggestions how to get out :-) I used to have a 50M DOS partition on my root partition, but it was corrupt, & fdisk didnt understand it, so i reinstalled the drive, & reduced the 50M to 20M too :-), I used DOS fdisk to install a C:, then Freebsd fdisk to & disklabel using both rsd0c & rsd0d as I recall, (I suspect maybe i should have not done 0d) .. Now I have a DOS partition I can mount under Freebsd, I can even see the C: dos thing if i boot from a dos flopppy, but if i try to boot off the hard disc it always runs freebsd, regardless of whether I mark freebsd or dos as active with fdisk. Only thing I can think of now is to install that os-bs thing (from wherever) Any other suggestions ? Julian S From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 11:53:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA06964 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:53:44 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA06958 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:53:42 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA01120; Thu, 25 May 1995 11:52:13 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505251852.LAA01120@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: fdisk problem - any suggestions To: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Julian Howard Stacey) Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 11:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505251545.RAA29534@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian Howard Stacey" at May 25, 95 05:45:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1051 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Hi folks, > I've painted myself into a corner, & would welcome suggestions how to > get out :-) > > I used to have a 50M DOS partition on my root partition, but it was corrupt, > & fdisk didnt understand it, so i reinstalled the drive, & reduced the 50M > to 20M too :-), > I used DOS fdisk to install a C:, then Freebsd fdisk to & disklabel > using both rsd0c & rsd0d as I recall, > (I suspect maybe i should have not done 0d) .. > Now I have a DOS partition I can mount under Freebsd, > I can even see the C: dos thing if i boot from a dos flopppy, > but if i try to boot off the hard disc it always runs freebsd, > regardless of whether I mark freebsd or dos as active with fdisk. > > Only thing I can think of now is to install that os-bs thing (from wherever) > > Any other suggestions ? fdisk/mbr perhaps, you may still have a FreeBSD boot strap in block 0-15 of the drive. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 12:08:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA07248 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 12:08:13 -0700 Received: from mailbox.syr.edu (mailbox.syr.EDU [128.230.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA07242 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 12:08:12 -0700 Received: from kong.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id PAA26146; Thu, 25 May 1995 15:10:34 -0400 Received: by kong.syr.edu (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA16395; Thu, 25 May 95 15:07:29 EDT Message-Id: <9505251907.AA16395@kong.syr.edu> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Cc: Terry Dwyer Subject: Ddd binary for 1.1.5 coming soon In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 25 May 95 13:09:18 +0700." Date: Thu, 25 May 95 15:07:28 -0400 From: "Shawn M. Carey" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message you write: >On Wed, 24 May 1995, Shawn M. Carey wrote: > >> >> I just recently got ddd-1.2 up and running on my 1.1.5 system. Ddd is >> a GPL'd X/Motif based gdb/dbx driver. I usually prefer the good old > ^^^^^^^^^^^ >> -Shawn Carey > >Any chance you might put the 1.1.5 binary up for ftp somewhere for the Motif >impaired among us? > I've been planning on doing this soon. The author maintains a collection of precompiled binaries somewhere. I post to this list when I know where to put the binary. -Shawn From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 12:39:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA08055 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 12:39:44 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA08049 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 12:39:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199505251939.MAA08049@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA10867; Thu, 25 May 1995 15:39:33 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Compaq Prolinea PCI To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 15:39:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 329 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a Copaq Prolinea PCI system with an Adaptec 2940, and a 3gb Seagate, it works just fine under DOS, but when FreeBSD probe's the PCI bus it doesnt see the Adaptec 2940, any suggestions? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 12:59:58 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA08798 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 12:59:58 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA08789 ; Thu, 25 May 1995 12:59:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199505251959.MAA08789@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Compaq Prolinea PCI In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 May 95 15:39:32 EDT." <199505251939.MAA08049@freefall.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 12:59:55 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I have a Copaq Prolinea PCI system with an Adaptec 2940, and a 3gb Seagate, it >works just fine under DOS, but when FreeBSD probe's the PCI bus it doesnt see >the Adaptec 2940, any suggestions? > >-Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu > > http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ What version of FreeBSD are you trying to boot? The 2940 was only supported after the 412-SNAP and there are some patches in current that you will want to pick up. If it is not getting probed under 412 or later, drop me some private email. -- Justin T. Gibbs ============================================== TCS Instructional Group - Programmer/Analyst 1 Cory | Po | Danube | Volga | Parker | Torus ============================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 13:22:45 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA09330 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:22:45 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA08285 ; Thu, 25 May 1995 12:47:47 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id MAA27592; Thu, 25 May 1995 12:45:27 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199505251945.MAA27592@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD To: pss@fore.com Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 12:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Cc: phk@ref.tfs.com, rv@fore.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org, announce@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9505250204.AA12419@loach.fore.com> from "Pragnesh Sampat" at May 24, 95 10:04:35 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1768 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > FreeBSD/NetBSD (with whatever restrictions it has regarding the sources > etc.,). This is different from the above paragraph and has not changed at > all. > > > Oh and btw, what is the prices for your boards ? > > > > I really don't know. I mostly have rough ideas. It is best to contact > "info@fore.com" to find out exactly. And, these things keep changing > because of competetion, new hardware revisions etc., etc., so I am > generally in a bad position to quote these prices. As a rough idea on the > ESA-200PC board for example, the last I knew, it used to be (approximately) > between $1600 and $1900 depending on the physical media. > this shows the stupidity of the situation... with cards this expensive, (a good $800 of this must be going to recoup development costs) they would ony need to sell 30 cards extra to get the money back from not SELLING the info at 20K$ considering that a normal installation might use 15 cards, that's just 2 installations. (and don't forget the installation would include a switch (probably an ASX200) more $$) If they just gave away the sources, and info EVERYbody would use FORE stuff by default, and their position as leaders would be strengthenned. They would also be able to be in 'control' of the standard in the same way that CSRG was the authorative voice on sockets and TCP/IP, Fore would be the Authoratative voice in ATM interface technology. Look at Hayes.. they are still in business purely because they have the prestige of having their name in EVERY OTHER modem manufacturer's manual.. If Fore were to make more information and sample drivers available, it woukd do the company a lot of GOOD, short and Long term.. as it is.. Fore will eventually fall prey to other companies. julian > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 13:49:31 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA11173 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:49:31 -0700 Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA11089 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:49:23 -0700 Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <135>; Thu, 25 May 1995 14:05:32 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 14:05:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Upgrading... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I upgraded a 4-12 system to current by mounting /usr/src off another machine and doing a "make world". This has the unfortunate effect of installing symlinks in /usr/include into the /usr/src/sys tree. Is there a way _installing_ the include files? Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 13:54:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA13123 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:54:29 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA13111 ; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:54:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Julian Elischer cc: pss@fore.com, phk@ref.tfs.com, rv@fore.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org, announce@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 May 95 12:45:27 PDT." <199505251945.MAA27592@ref.tfs.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 13:54:25 -0700 Message-ID: <13110.801435265@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Look at Hayes.. they are still in business purely because > they have the prestige of having their name in EVERY OTHER modem > manufacturer's manual.. Uhh.. I hate to be a dissenting voice, but Hayes filed for Chapter 11 (bankruptcy) protection over 2 months ago! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 15:11:05 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA08349 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 12:49:02 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA08343 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 12:49:01 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id MAA27629; Thu, 25 May 1995 12:48:42 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199505251948.MAA27629@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: fdisk problem - any suggestions To: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Julian Howard Stacey) Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 12:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505251545.RAA29534@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian Howard Stacey" at May 25, 95 05:45:08 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1063 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Hi folks, > I've painted myself into a corner, & would welcome suggestions how to > get out :-) > > I used to have a 50M DOS partition on my root partition, but it was corrupt, > & fdisk didnt understand it, so i reinstalled the drive, & reduced the 50M > to 20M too :-), > I used DOS fdisk to install a C:, then Freebsd fdisk to & disklabel > using both rsd0c & rsd0d as I recall, > (I suspect maybe i should have not done 0d) .. > Now I have a DOS partition I can mount under Freebsd, > I can even see the C: dos thing if i boot from a dos flopppy, > but if i try to boot off the hard disc it always runs freebsd, > regardless of whether I mark freebsd or dos as active with fdisk. > > Only thing I can think of now is to install that os-bs thing (from wherever) you've been caught be a little trap I think.... :) you've put a disklable on d? (must be non slice code) the disklable contains a dummy MBR you've then replaced that MBR (with FreeBSD boot code) with a DOS MBR? just a possibility..... > > Any other suggestions ? > > Julian S > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 15:21:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA19136 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 15:21:21 -0700 Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (hasty@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA19130 ; Thu, 25 May 1995 15:21:19 -0700 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA24375; Thu, 25 May 1995 15:20:28 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 15:20:28 -0700 From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Message-Id: <199505252220.PAA24375@netcom14.netcom.com> To: julian@ref.tfs.com, pss@fore.com Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD Cc: announce@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, phk@ref.tfs.com, rv@fore.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk No promises over here but I am going to try to remedy the ATM situation. Nor I am going to state who am I going to be dealing with . Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 15:29:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA19584 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 15:29:51 -0700 Received: from crash.ops.neosoft.com (root@crash.ops.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.212.50]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA19576 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 15:29:49 -0700 Received: (from smace@localhost) by crash.ops.neosoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) id RAA06444 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 May 1995 17:29:17 -0500 From: Scott Mace Message-Id: <199505252229.RAA06444@crash.ops.neosoft.com> Subject: weirdness with S3 server. To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 17:29:17 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 392 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm running Xfree 3.1.1 + late patches, and whenever I try to use any Tk stuff the mouse is totally non-functional within the tk window, also ctrl-right mouse button doesn't pull up menus in xterm. If I run the SVGA server on my old et4K card, it works fine. This is under -current build around May 8 I've tried all of the various options for the S3 X server with no success. Scott From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 15:45:32 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA20461 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 15:45:32 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA20454 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 15:45:25 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA01428; Thu, 25 May 1995 15:45:15 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505252245.PAA01428@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Upgrading... To: tom@uniserve.com (Tom Samplonius) Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 15:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Tom Samplonius" at May 25, 95 02:05:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 789 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I upgraded a 4-12 system to current by mounting /usr/src off another > machine and doing a "make world". This has the unfortunate effect of > installing symlinks in /usr/include into the /usr/src/sys tree. Is there > a way _installing_ the include files? cd /usr/src; make SHARED=copies install It is more than just your /usr/include that ended up symlinked :-(, there are some Makefiles down under /usr/share that wrongly decided it was a smart idea to copy the /usr/include stuff and use the same knob to turn it on and off with :-( This is on my post 2.1 hit list of things to fix, to major of a rework for 2.1. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 16:25:26 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA21741 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 16:25:26 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA21732 ; Thu, 25 May 1995 16:25:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 16:25:25 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199505252325.QAA21732@freefall.cdrom.com> To: hasty@netcom.com Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Nor I am going to state who am I going to be dealing with . Ah, come on. Just whisper it to me. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 17:37:02 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA24686 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 17:37:02 -0700 Received: from wdl1.wdl.loral.com (wdl1.wdl.loral.com [137.249.32.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA24677 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 17:36:58 -0700 Received: from miles.sso.loral.com by wdl1.wdl.loral.com (4.1/WDL-4.2) id AA04111; Thu, 25 May 95 17:36:17 PDT Received: by miles.sso.loral.com (4.1/SSO-SUN-2.04) id AA07727; Thu, 25 May 95 20:37:00 EDT Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 20:36:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Toren X-Sender: rpt@miles To: hackers Subject: ups C++ source - where do I put it? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A couple of items... 1> ups 3.7 is a major redesign of ups. It uses the gdb libraries to do much of the low level stuff. This is Mark Russell's work. ups 3.7.??? should be available at: unix.hensa.ac.uk /pub/misc/unix/ups/ups-3.7-alpha.tar.Z This system is *very* slow (my xfer rate was 0.29k / sec with some disconcerting pauses that lasted for minutes. 2> Yes 2.45.2 is an old release. But that does not mean that it is not it a very good product. Rod Armstrong has been using it as a baseline for the C++ enhancements for some years. 3> I have put together the following: ups-2.45.2.tar.gz // baseline source changes.gz // recent C++ patches contrib-manpage // duh! README // description of changes and install instructions Now how do I put it in an available location. I tried to do a 'put' into /pub/FreeBSD/incoming with no success. 4> There is an interesting item concerning ups 3.7 for the Sun Solaris system. Mark Russell works at the University of Cambridge in Kent England. There has been enough interest in ups for Solaris, that someone organized a fund into which 6 people donated $1000 each. This fund was used to 'buy' Mr. Russell's time to do the port. The final result will still be a net product, but an interesting concept. Sort of like pre-shareware. ==================================================== Rip Toren | The bad news is that C++ is not an object-oriented | rpt@miles.sso.loral.com | programming language. .... The good news is that | | C++ supports object-oriented programming. | | C++ Programming & Fundamental Concepts | | by Anderson & Heinze | ==================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 17:40:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA24840 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 17:40:37 -0700 Received: from physics.su.oz.au (dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU [129.78.129.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA24788 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 17:39:30 -0700 Received: by physics.su.oz.au id AA16549 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for hackers@FreeBSD.org); Fri, 26 May 1995 10:39:15 +1000 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199505260039.AA16549@physics.su.oz.au> Subject: Re: weirdness with S3 server. To: smace@metal.neosoft.com (Scott Mace) Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 10:39:14 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505252229.RAA06444@crash.ops.neosoft.com> from "Scott Mace" at May 25, 95 05:29:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 627 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I'm running Xfree 3.1.1 + late patches, and whenever I try to use any >Tk stuff the mouse is totally non-functional within the tk window, also >ctrl-right mouse button >doesn't pull up menus in xterm. > >If I run the SVGA server on my old et4K card, it works fine. This "problem" should show up with any of the XFree86 3.1.1 servers (providing you don't have ServerNumLock set in your XF86Config). Try turning NumLock off. We'll probably turn turn it off by default when the server starts in 3.1.2. At the moment, the startup state of the lock keys matches the state they were in for the VT the server runs on. David From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 18:15:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA26656 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 18:15:06 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA26641 ; Thu, 25 May 1995 18:15:00 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA00172 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Thu, 25 May 1995 19:58:18 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA18971; 25 May 95 19:57:36 CDT (Thu) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA18968; Thu, 25 May 1995 19:57:36 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199505260057.TAA18968@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 19:57:35 -0500 (CDT) Cc: julian@ref.tfs.com, pss@fore.com, phk@ref.tfs.com, rv@fore.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org, announce@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <13110.801435265@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at May 25, 95 01:54:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 368 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Look at Hayes.. they are still in business purely because > > they have the prestige of having their name in EVERY OTHER modem > > manufacturer's manual.. > Uhh.. I hate to be a dissenting voice, but Hayes filed for Chapter 11 > (bankruptcy) protection over 2 months ago! :-) And given their track record, that's years longer than they had any right to expect. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 19:20:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA00407 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 19:20:59 -0700 Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA00391 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 19:20:43 -0700 Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA09681; Fri, 26 May 1995 08:20:27 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199505260320.IAA09681@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.x - can it run in 4Mb? To: karl@bagpuss.demon.co.uk (Karl Strickland) Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 08:20:26 +0500 (GMT+0500) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505251732.SAA00956@bagpuss.demon.co.uk> from "Karl Strickland" at May 25, 95 06:32:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 235 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Will 2.x run in only 4Mb of ram? Yes. I even have runned 950210-SNAP (with little changes) in 2Mb of RAM. Serge Babkin ! (babkin@hq.icb.chel.su) ! Headquarter of Joint Stock Commercial Bank "Chelindbank" ! Chelyabinsk, Russia From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 20:00:22 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA02745 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 20:00:22 -0700 Received: from iphase.com (iphase.com [157.175.3.200]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA02733 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 20:00:17 -0700 Received: from megalon.iphase.com by iphase.com (4.1/1.34) id AA25102; Thu, 25 May 95 21:58:45 CDT Received: from wildcat (wildcat_fddi) by megalon.iphase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05689; Thu, 25 May 95 21:58:44 CDT From: mark@iphase.com (Mark Veteikis) Received: by wildcat (4.1//ident-1.0) id AA03211; Thu, 25 May 95 21:58:42 CDT Message-Id: <9505260258.AA03211@wildcat> Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD To: hsu@freefall.cdrom.com (Jeffrey Hsu) Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 21:58:41 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hasty@netcom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505252325.QAA21732@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Jeffrey Hsu" at May 25, 95 04:25:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 260 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Nor I am going to state who am I going to be dealing with . > > Ah, come on. Just whisper it to me. > I'd like to hear that whisper too. -- Mark Veteikis mark@iphase.com 1-214-919-9257 Interphase Corp. 13800 Senlac Dallas Tx. 75234 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 20:39:23 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA05843 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 20:39:23 -0700 Received: from amalfi.trl.OZ.AU (amalfi.trl.OZ.AU [137.147.99.99]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA05804 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 20:39:16 -0700 Received: from orca1.vic.design.telecom.com.au ([145.136.55.131]) by amalfi.trl.OZ.AU (8.6.10/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA14290; Fri, 26 May 1995 13:35:47 +1000 Received: from [144.139.63.32] by orca1.vic.design.telecom.com.au with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09854; Fri, 26 May 95 13:28:37 +1000 Received: from netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au (netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au [144.139.63.32]) by netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA25070; Fri, 26 May 1995 11:51:32 +0800 Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 11:51:32 +0800 (WST) From: Terry Dwyer To: Thomas David Rivers Cc: u.washington.edu!spaz@dg-rtp.dg.com, ponds!rivers@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: More info about my sound card problems. In-Reply-To: <199505251724.NAA03054@lakes> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [...] > > > So - at this point I'd like to ask the group: > > > > > > 2) Are other sound cards that have this phenomena, if so, > > > what to people do about the printer wanting to use IRQ 7. Conversely: what to do about the soundcard wanting to use IRQ 7. I'm running 1.1.5.1R and my GUS seems to have the same problem. Strangely 1.1 did not have this problem with the GUS using the same hardware. I seem to remember when I upgraded to 1.1.5.1 I had to change the IRQ for the Buslogic 445S which was well out of the way anyway and the WD8013 which was also nowhere near IRQ 5 or 7. I really miss being able to use my printer. 8-( _-_|\ Terry Dwyer E-Mail: tdwyer@netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au / \ System Administrator Phone: +61 9 491 5161 Fax: +61 9 221 2631 *_.^\_/ Telecom Australia Telstra Corporation MIME capable mailer v Perth WA ( I do not speak for Telstra or Telecom ) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 20:42:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA06665 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 20:42:51 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA06659 ; Thu, 25 May 1995 20:42:50 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id UAA29791; Thu, 25 May 1995 20:42:48 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199505260342.UAA29791@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD To: mark@iphase.com (Mark Veteikis) Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 20:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hsu@freefall.cdrom.com, hasty@netcom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9505260258.AA03211@wildcat> from "Mark Veteikis" at May 25, 95 09:58:41 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 366 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ok how about some info on the Interphase controllers then? huh? huh? julian > > > > > > Nor I am going to state who am I going to be dealing with . > > > > Ah, come on. Just whisper it to me. > > > > I'd like to hear that whisper too. > > -- > Mark Veteikis mark@iphase.com 1-214-919-9257 > Interphase Corp. 13800 Senlac Dallas Tx. 75234 > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 25 20:44:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA06723 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 1995 20:44:42 -0700 Received: from crash.ops.neosoft.com (root@crash.ops.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.212.50]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA06717 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 20:44:41 -0700 Received: (from smace@localhost) by crash.ops.neosoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) id WAA06970; Thu, 25 May 1995 22:43:13 -0500 From: Scott Mace Message-Id: <199505260343.WAA06970@crash.ops.neosoft.com> Subject: Re: weirdness with S3 server. To: dawes@physics.usyd.edu.au (David Dawes) Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 22:43:12 -0500 (CDT) Cc: smace@metal.neosoft.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505260039.AA16549@physics.su.oz.au> from "David Dawes" at May 26, 95 10:39:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 987 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >I'm running Xfree 3.1.1 + late patches, and whenever I try to use any > >Tk stuff the mouse is totally non-functional within the tk window, also > >ctrl-right mouse button > >doesn't pull up menus in xterm. > > > >If I run the SVGA server on my old et4K card, it works fine. > > This "problem" should show up with any of the XFree86 3.1.1 servers > (providing you don't have ServerNumLock set in your XF86Config). Try > turning NumLock off. We'll probably turn turn it off by default when > the server starts in 3.1.2. At the moment, the startup state of the > lock keys matches the state they were in for the VT the server runs > on. Yep, numlock did it... :-) I can't tell yall how much hair I pulled out trying to get this working :-))) and then it was something this simple. Now I can use all my favorite mbone tools. Hey, and anyone on the MBONE, check out the Rock N Roll Barbecue that neosoft will be transmitting this next Sunday. Its going to cool. Scott From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 00:17:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA18437 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 00:17:37 -0700 Received: from wcarchive.cdrom.com (wcarchive.cdrom.com [192.216.191.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA18431 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 00:17:35 -0700 Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.6]) by wcarchive.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA15374 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 00:17:56 -0700 Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.6) id JAA06520; Fri, 26 May 1995 09:12:45 +0200 From: Thomas Gellekum Message-Id: <199505260712.JAA06520@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: Sysadmin Book To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 09:12:44 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de, pechter@stars.sed.monmouth.army.mil, FreeBSD-hackers@wcarchive.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199505241703.TAA00897@yedi.iaf.nl> from "Wilko Bulte" at May 24, 95 07:03:19 pm Organization: Institut f. Hochfrequenztechnik, RWTH Aachen X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 580 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Wilko Bulte wrote: > > Frank Fiamingo told me that he'd be interested in the differences > > between FreeBSD and the other OS's. I don't know how it would go > > together with the doc project, though. > > Hmm, too many 'diffs' in this manual might clutter it for our audience > (which is presumably FreeBSD focused ;-) Correct. I was more thinking of Franks audience which are obviously aspiring sysadmins. Giving them a comparison (just in terms of how to do a task, no ranking intended) between the commercial systems and FreeBSD could bring some interest in our product. tg From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 00:59:35 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA19115 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 00:59:35 -0700 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA19109 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 00:59:34 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA13363; Fri, 26 May 95 00:38:02 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43151>; Fri, 26 May 1995 09:37:33 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA08318; Thu, 25 May 1995 21:43:27 +0200 Message-Id: <199505251943.VAA08318@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: gj@FreeBSD.org Cc: Richard Toren , hackers%freebsd.org@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com Subject: Re: ups 2.45.2 Does C++ In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 24 May 1995 12:14:32 +0200." Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 21:43:25 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Re. If memory serves me right, there was a port in the good old FreeBSD-1.0 days. I can look on the 1.0 CD, I suppose. I keep indexes of all my cds on line to save getting off the chair ;-) freebsd.1.0.2/ ports/ups/ freebsd.1.1/ ports/x11/ups/ I'd have to get off the chair to find the version tho' Julian S From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 03:16:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA21898 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 03:16:30 -0700 Received: from alice.wonderland.org (alice.wonderland.org [193.195.141.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA21739 ; Fri, 26 May 1995 03:08:12 -0700 Received: (peter@localhost) by alice.wonderland.org (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA02446; Fri, 26 May 1995 10:59:31 +0100 From: Peter Galbavy Message-Id: <199505260959.KAA02446@alice.wonderland.org> Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD To: julian@ref.tfs.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 10:59:30 +0100 (BST) Cc: pss@fore.com, phk@ref.tfs.com, rv@fore.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org, announce@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505251945.MAA27592@ref.tfs.com> from "Julian Elischer" at May 25, 95 12:45:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1547 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > If they just gave away the sources, and info > EVERYbody would use FORE stuff by default, and their position > as leaders would be strengthenned. > They would also be able to be in 'control' of the standard > in the same way that CSRG was the authorative voice on sockets and TCP/IP, > Fore would be the Authoratative voice in ATM interface technology. > Look at Hayes.. they are still in business purely because > they have the prestige of having their name in EVERY OTHER modem > manufacturer's manual.. > > If Fore were to make more information and sample drivers available, > it woukd do the company a lot of GOOD, short and Long term.. > as it is.. Fore will eventually fall prey to other companies. BUT, charging for development information is the classic symptom of companies that do not want to be around in a few years. They want to recoupe their costs *now*, not later, over a number of products lifetimes. They have a management/financial structure that only sees as far as the next set of accounts. Just take a look around if you don't believe me. All companies that have given away their development information have done real well, whilst others that haven't could have done so much better. Then there are the companies like Adaptec, that got to much of a corporate ego when launching a new family of products... Regards -- Peter Galbavy work: peter@demon.net Wonderland rest: peter@wonderland.org play: http://www.wonderland.org/ "The 'net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 04:52:38 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA23641 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 04:52:38 -0700 Received: from mailbox.syr.edu (mailbox.syr.EDU [128.230.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA23632 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 04:52:37 -0700 Received: from kong.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id HAA04976; Fri, 26 May 1995 07:52:36 -0400 Received: by kong.syr.edu (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA00684; Fri, 26 May 95 07:52:25 EDT Message-Id: <9505261152.AA00684@kong.syr.edu> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: ddd-1.2 binary now available Date: Fri, 26 May 95 07:52:24 -0400 From: "Shawn M. Carey" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I've uploaded my ddd binary to the following location: ftp.ips.cs.tu-bs.de:/pub/local/softech/ddd/bin/ddd-1.2-i386-intel-freebsd1.1.5 Here's some info about the executable: Statically linked against a bone-stock XFree86-2.1 distribution, SWiM 1.2.3, and libg++-2.6.2. Compiled with gcc-2.6.3. Patches to fix a tcsetpgrp warning have been applied. Enjoy, -Shawn Carey From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 04:55:39 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA23669 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 04:55:39 -0700 Received: from asstdc.scgt.oz.au (root@asstdc.scgt.oz.au [202.14.234.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA23663 ; Fri, 26 May 1995 04:55:17 -0700 Received: (from imb@localhost) by asstdc.scgt.oz.au (8.6.12/BSD4.4) id VAA07277; Fri, 26 May 1995 21:52:33 +1000 From: michael butler Message-Id: <199505261152.VAA07277@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD To: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 21:52:32 +1000 (EST) Cc: julian@ref.tfs.com, pss@fore.com, announce@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, phk@ref.tfs.com, rv@fore.com In-Reply-To: <199505252220.PAA24375@netcom14.netcom.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr" at May 25, 95 03:20:28 pm Reply-To: imb@scgt.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24beta] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1256 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty Jr writes: > No promises over here but I am going to try to remedy the ATM situation. > Nor I am going to state who am I going to be dealing with . Much as I hate generalisations .. I would warn that ATM and IP apparently do not mix well in cases where good interactive response is critical, at least in my limited experience. I get better response over my own overworked 14k4 modem connection to the net than over a (university based) 2 megabit ATM link. Taking simple icmp echo (ping) as a guide to find out why, on my modem link I get round-trip times of ~600mS to the US .. over ATM, they start at 7 seconds and take some time before dropping to a more acceptable 160mS. When typing in a telnet session, this equates to .. leave the keyboard alone for any period greater than one or two seconds and you're back to that 7 second latency. It's unusable as currently implemented for anything but bulk-haulage of video and news. I don't know the unlying technical details but, based on this experience, I'm not entirely sure I want to. However, if this is an implementation specific problem, I would be very glad to hear how it might be resolved .. it's near impossible for me to do assignments by telecommuting these days :-( michael From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 05:07:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA23899 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 05:07:29 -0700 Received: from inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com [16.1.0.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA23879 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 05:06:51 -0700 Received: from rks32.pcs.dec.com by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com (5.65/24Feb95) id AA25344; Fri, 26 May 95 04:21:31 -0700 Received: by rks32.pcs.dec.com (Smail3.1.27.1 #16) id m0sExMg-0005PIC; Fri, 26 May 95 13:15 MSZ Message-Id: To: Richard Toren Cc: hackers%freebsd.org@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com In-Reply-To: Message from Richard Toren of Thu, 25 May 95 20:36:58 D. Reply-To: gj@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ups C++ source - where do I put it? Date: Fri, 26 May 95 11:15:38 GMT From: "gj%pcs.dec.com@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Richard Toren writes: > 3> I have put together the following: > ups-2.45.2.tar.gz // baseline source > changes.gz // recent C++ patches > contrib-manpage // duh! > README // description of changes and install instructions > > Now how do I put it in an available location. I tried to do a 'put' into > /pub/FreeBSD/incoming with no success. put it onto wcarchive, /pub/FreeBSD/incoming is 777 there. Is this ported to FreeBSD ? If not, I'm willing to hack it to run under -current. Gary J. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 06:32:18 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA25586 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 06:32:18 -0700 Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA25568 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 06:32:02 -0700 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from mail.hanse.de (134.100.239.2) with smtp id ; Fri, 26 May 95 15:30 MEST Received: from wavehh.UUCP by mail.hanse.de with UUCP for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org id ; Fri, 26 May 95 15:30 MET DST Received: by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25545; Fri, 26 May 95 13:38:10 +0200 Date: Fri, 26 May 95 13:38:10 +0200 From: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) Message-Id: <9505261138.AA25545@wavehh.hanse.de> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mb_map full Newsgroups: hanse-ml.freebsd.hackers References: <199505242152.QAA13381@server.iadfw.net> Reply-To: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk .I had this problem, too and it turns out to be a hardware problem (too agressive timing values in BIOS) on ASUS-Trition-PCI board. This is under NetBSD-1.0, but if you cannot solve the problem by chnaging kernel values, have a look at this. In hanse-ml.freebsd.hackers you write: >We are currently having a major problem. >Our news server is a heavily used machine, is a pentium, has 128M RAM and >128M swap space, and is usually up to 80% swapbound. >The problem is that the system seems to temporarily freeze for minutes at >a time. Last night I noticed a syslog saying "mb_map full" around the >time of the freeze, did a check, and found a load of those corresponding >roughly with previous freeze-ups. >Question: Would it be fixed by increasing MAX_KMAP in >/usr/src/sys/vm/vm_map.h ? If not, then how can I eliminate this >problem? >Apparently, nothing is lost during the freeze-ups, and as a matter of >fact, everything just picks up right where it left off. I have ruled out >"swap_pager: out of space", as we only saw that again two days ago [time >for yet another memory upgrade]. >Jim >-- >All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, >think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or >radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" > jbryant@server.iadfw.net, System administrator, Internet America -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer . No NeXTMail, please. Norderstedt/Hamburg, Germany. Fax +49 40 522 85 36. This is a private address. At (netless) work programming in data analysis. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 08:03:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA27691 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 08:03:44 -0700 Received: from redline.ru (root@mail.redline.ru [194.87.69.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA27674 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 08:03:11 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 26 May 95 19:01 GMT+0400 From: agl@redline.ru (Anthony Graphics) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: X-Mailer: GNOS 2.4.0 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ncr0 rev 2 int a irq 9 on pci0:1 reg 20: virtual=0xf4786000 physical=0xfbfff000 size=0x100 I do believe the driver for NCR is much better in FreeBSD than in Linux, could somebody at least tell me _which_ kernel works on it. I've moved the hard drive from the FreeBSD box with Adaptec1542 after the CPU burned Adaptec and suicided itself after it, Can anybody point me the place where I can pick up the _binary_ of the latest kernel. (I had different levels of success with 2.0 and 950322, nothing seems to be working :-( ) Thanx! Please include in Cc: I'm not on freebsd-hackers. AGL From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 08:40:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA28520 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 08:40:37 -0700 Received: from redline.ru (mail.redline.ru [194.87.69.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA28260 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 08:30:47 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 26 May 95 19:19 GMT+0400 From: agl@redline.ru (Anthony Graphics) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: mount "features" X-Mailer: GNOS 2.4.0 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm doing the following thing: mount /dev/fd0 /mnt (on the write protected floppy) Well, getting tons of errors from the kernel, ok mount -r /dev/fd0 /mnt /dev/fd0 on /mnt: Device busy :-0 mount -r /dev/fd0.1440 /mnt ok :-0 I consider it strange at least... AGL From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 09:07:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA29004 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 09:07:16 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA28997 ; Fri, 26 May 1995 09:07:15 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id JAA01495; Fri, 26 May 1995 09:06:06 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199505261606.JAA01495@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD To: imb@scgt.oz.au Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 09:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hasty@netcom.com, julian@ref.tfs.com, pss@fore.com, announce@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, rv@fore.com In-Reply-To: <199505261152.VAA07277@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> from "michael butler" at May 26, 95 09:52:32 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 814 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > No promises over here but I am going to try to remedy the ATM situation. > > Nor I am going to state who am I going to be dealing with . > > Much as I hate generalisations .. I would warn that ATM and IP apparently do > not mix well in cases where good interactive response is critical, at least > in my limited experience. I get better response over my own overworked 14k4 > modem connection to the net than over a (university based) 2 megabit ATM > link. This is not a general problem with ATM, and I tend to say that it's because there are other users on the 2Mb ATM than you. It's certainly not an argument against ATM... -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 09:37:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA29855 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 09:37:16 -0700 Received: from transfer.stratus.com (transfer.stratus.com [134.111.1.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA29849 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 09:37:14 -0700 Received: from sun1-dal.tx.stratus.com (sun1-dal.tx.stratus.com [198.115.6.70]) by transfer.stratus.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id MAA10697 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 12:37:07 -0400 Received: by sun1-dal.tx.stratus.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01472; Fri, 26 May 95 11:40:40 CDT Date: Fri, 26 May 95 11:40:40 CDT From: butler@sun1-dal.tx.stratus.com (G. David Butler) Message-Id: <9505261640.AA01472@sun1-dal.tx.stratus.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: source distributions of 2.0-950412-SNAP Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello. Even though do_cksum.sh did not give any errors, the sgames and sgnu source distributions are corrupt. In the first case gzip complains and in the second cpio complains. Should I get the sources from CURRENT? Thanks for the help. David Butler gdb@ninja.lonestar.org butler@sun1-dal.tx.stratus.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 10:09:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA00493 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 10:09:04 -0700 Received: from eureka.gdl.iteso.mx (eureka.gdl.iteso.mx [148.201.131.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA00485 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 10:08:54 -0700 Received: (from cacho@localhost) by eureka.gdl.iteso.mx (8.6.8/8.6.6) id LAA29445; Fri, 26 May 1995 11:08:46 -0600 Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 11:08:45 -0600 (CST) From: Hector Gonzalez Jaime To: Karl Strickland cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.x - can it run in 4Mb? In-Reply-To: <199505251732.SAA00956@bagpuss.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 25 May 1995, Karl Strickland wrote: > Im interested in installing FreeBSD 2.x on a 486/33 with only 4Mb of ram. > The box acts as a dedicated internet router, routing between sl0 and two > ethernet boards. > As of the 032295 Snapshot, it runs with 4 megs, but I couldn't be installed with 4 megs, so as a workaround, I put some extra chips on the system for installation, and when all was installed and extracted I returned the original 4 megs to the system, and it worked great. Specifically, during installation, when the bindist was extracted 4 megs were insufficient, even with a 16 megs swap partition on the system, I don't know if it was active. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 10:23:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA00810 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 10:23:50 -0700 Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.97.216]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA00804 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 10:23:48 -0700 Received: (from kargl@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA14569; Fri, 26 May 1995 10:19:19 -0700 From: Steven G Kargl Message-Id: <199505261719.KAA14569@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: mount "features" To: agl@redline.ru (Anthony Graphics) Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 10:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Anthony Graphics" at May 26, 95 07:19:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 634 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Anthony Graphics: > > I'm doing the following thing: > mount /dev/fd0 /mnt > (on the write protected floppy) Well, getting tons of errors from the kernel, > ok > mount -r /dev/fd0 /mnt > /dev/fd0 on /mnt: Device busy > :-0 > mount -r /dev/fd0.1440 /mnt > ok :-0 > I consider it strange at least... What is the filesystem on the floppy? mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt mount -t ufs /dev/fd0 /mnt -- Steven G. Kargl | Phone: 206-685-4677 | Applied Physics Lab | Fax: 206-543-6785 | Univ. of Washington |---------------------| 1013 NE 40th St | FreeBSD 2.1-current | Seattle, WA 98105 |---------------------| From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 10:47:24 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01569 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 10:47:24 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA01562 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 10:47:21 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA02577; Fri, 26 May 1995 10:46:57 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199505261746.KAA02577@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 950412 hangs on ncr0 probing: To: agl@redline.ru (Anthony Graphics) Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 10:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Anthony Graphics" at May 26, 95 07:01:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1519 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk There have been no changes to the ncr.c driver since the 0412 SNAP was made. > > ncr0 rev 2 int a irq 9 on pci0:1 > reg 20: virtual=0xf4786000 physical=0xfbfff000 size=0x100 Can you provide information about what devices are on your scsi bus? Have you tripple checked that you have only the two ends of the scsi bus terminated and nothing in the middle? > I do believe the driver for NCR is much better in FreeBSD than in Linux, > could somebody at least tell me _which_ kernel works on it. The 0412 SNAP kernel is the latest and greatest as far as the NCR driver goes: RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/pci/ncr.c,v ... description: ---------------------------- revision 1.36 date: 1995/03/31 00:05:08; author: se; state: Exp; lines: +4 -12 Include for standard definition of offsetof() instead of defining it explicitly in the driver. ---------------------------- As you can see the last change was made 3/31, 12 days before the SNAP was rolled. > I've moved the hard drive from the FreeBSD box with Adaptec1542 > after the CPU burned Adaptec and suicided itself after it, > > Can anybody point me the place where I can pick up the _binary_ > of the latest kernel. (I had different levels of success with > 2.0 and 950322, nothing seems to be working :-( ) > Thanx! > Please include in Cc: I'm not on freebsd-hackers. > AGL > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Custom computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 11:31:36 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA02790 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 11:31:36 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA02780 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 11:31:32 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA21675; Fri, 26 May 95 20:29:39 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id UAA23059; Fri, 26 May 1995 20:39:56 +0200 Message-Id: <199505261839.UAA23059@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: OpenGL and FreeBSD To: krebs@faps.uni-erlangen.de (Thomas Krebs) Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 20:39:56 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) In-Reply-To: <9505260651.AA17426@behaim.faps.uni-erlangen.de> from "Thomas Krebs" at May 26, 95 08:50:58 am From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1030 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > Does anyone know if there is/will be a port of OpenGL to FreeBSD? I know > > E&S has ported it to Linux (ick!), but any news for FreeBSD? > > > > -W- > > > I have ported Mesa to FreeBSD. It's an implementation of OpenGL by Brian Paul. > If someone is interested, I could load the binaries up somewhere. > (But in fact it compiles without greater modifications !) > Or try the sources from ftp://iris.ssec.wisc.edu:/pub/misc > Mesa belongs to the 2.0 ports collection anyway. > Thomas > -- > Thomas Krebs > Department for Manufacturing Automation and Production Systems FAPS > University of Erlangen > Egerlandstr. 7-9 > 91058 Erlangen > Tel.: +49 (0)9131/85-8740 > Fax: +49 (0)9131/302528 > http://www.faps.uni-erlangen.de:1200/persons/krebs.html > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950507 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0507 #0: Sun May 7 18:08:05 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 12:02:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA03749 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 12:02:08 -0700 Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA03467 ; Fri, 26 May 1995 11:55:15 -0700 Received: from stratacom.strata.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyrkt06907; Fri, 26 May 1995 14:54:26 -0400 Received: from Strata.COM (kiwi.strata.com) by stratacom.strata.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Gatekeeper.Strata.Com-950201) id AA11841; Fri, 26 May 95 11:54:25 PDT Received: from elm. by Strata.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/StrataCom-GCA-Kiwi-931007-1) id AA28283; Fri, 26 May 95 11:53:55 PDT Received: by elm. (5.65/SMI-4.1/StrataCom-GCA-DECClient-Local-931101) id AA22422; Fri, 26 May 1995 11:55:56 -0700 From: dnc@Strata.COM (David Cornejo) Message-Id: <9505261855.AA22422@elm.> Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 11:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Cc: imb@scgt.oz.au, hasty@netcom.com, julian@ref.tfs.com, pss@fore.com, announce@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, rv@fore.com In-Reply-To: <199505261606.JAA01495@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at May 26, 95 09:06:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1241 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > No promises over here but I am going to try to remedy the ATM situation. > > > Nor I am going to state who am I going to be dealing with . > > > > Much as I hate generalisations .. I would warn that ATM and IP apparently do > > not mix well in cases where good interactive response is critical, at least > > in my limited experience. I get better response over my own overworked 14k4 > > modem connection to the net than over a (university based) 2 megabit ATM > > link. > > This is not a general problem with ATM, and I tend to say that it's > because there are other users on the 2Mb ATM than you. A well configured and not over-stressed ATM link should give you better performance than what you're getting. There are unfortunately a lot of problems that can really screw up IP over ATM. Check out the discard rate on cells - if one cell out of a frame gets discarded, then the whole frame is lost, so if your discard rate gets to be close to or more than the average number of cells per frame, then very little or nothing can get through. -- Dave Cornejo voice 1.408.494.2805 StrataCom, Inc. San Jose, California email: dnc@Strata.Com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 12:16:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA04289 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 12:16:00 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA04283 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 12:15:57 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA27596; Fri, 26 May 95 13:09:12 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9505261909.AA27596@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: ddd-1.2 binary now available To: smcarey@mailbox.syr.edu (Shawn M. Carey) Date: Fri, 26 May 95 13:09:11 MDT Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9505261152.AA00684@kong.syr.edu> from "Shawn M. Carey" at May 26, 95 07:52:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I've uploaded my ddd binary to the following location: > > ftp.ips.cs.tu-bs.de:/pub/local/softech/ddd/bin/ddd-1.2-i386-intel-freebsd1.1.5 Anyone else notice the name space conflict with the 'ddd' (team-like) program that this debugger has? Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 12:33:44 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA05106 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 12:33:44 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA05099 ; Fri, 26 May 1995 12:33:42 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA27641; Fri, 26 May 95 13:26:03 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9505261926.AA27641@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD To: phk@ref.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Fri, 26 May 95 13:26:03 MDT Cc: imb@scgt.oz.au, hasty@netcom.com, julian@ref.tfs.com, pss@fore.com, announce@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, rv@fore.com In-Reply-To: <199505261606.JAA01495@ref.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at May 26, 95 09:06:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Much as I hate generalisations .. I would warn that ATM and IP apparently do > > not mix well in cases where good interactive response is critical, at least > > in my limited experience. I get better response over my own overworked 14k4 > > modem connection to the net than over a (university based) 2 megabit ATM > > link. > > This is not a general problem with ATM, and I tend to say that it's > because there are other users on the 2Mb ATM than you. > > It's certainly not an argument against ATM... Poul's right. It's an argument against bandwidth overcommit. Which is an argument against non-virtual circuit transports for virtual circuit traffic. THAT's the argument against ATM. On the other hand, ATM and Frame Relay source quench doesn't really work well with TCP/IP, since TCP/IP doesn't recognize it as a valid congestion control mechanism. Arguably, the problem is in TCP/IP. Except it came first. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 13:28:59 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA00218 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 13:28:59 -0700 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [192.216.223.37]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA00204 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 13:28:58 -0700 Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA13528 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 13:00:05 -0700 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA16130; Fri, 26 May 1995 15:55:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 15:55:53 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199505261955.PAA16130@Glock.COM> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: DTC SCSI controllers Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone currently use -current or 950412 with a DTC SCSI controller? I have one that's been "replaced" by a BT742a that I'd like to not have to replace it with. If anyone knows if the DTC3x90 AS/HD caching controller works with FreeBSD or not, please let me know. Thanks! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead -> Virginia Tech Center for Transportation Research - -> Multiple Platform System and Network Administration Work Related -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu | mmead@goof.com <- All Other ---- ------- WWW -> http://www.goof.com/~mmead --- ----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 13:39:00 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA00703 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 13:39:00 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA00691 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 13:38:43 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id GAA12512; Sat, 27 May 1995 06:28:16 +1000 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 06:28:16 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199505262028.GAA12512@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: agl@redline.ru, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mount "features" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >mount /dev/fd0 /mnt >(on the write protected floppy) Well, getting tons of errors from the kernel, >ok Mount (rw) and open ([r]w) don't check for writability. The mount succeeds and you get errors later. >mount -r /dev/fd0 /mnt >/dev/fd0 on /mnt: Device busy >:-0 The device is apparently still mounted. >mount -r /dev/fd0.1440 /mnt >ok :-0 In FreeBSD, you can mount multiple times at the same mount point. Each mount gives another layer that hides the previous layer if the default mount options are used. fd0.1440 is different from fd0 as far as mount can tell, so the mount is permitted. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 13:54:06 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA05516 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 12:42:00 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA05510 ; Fri, 26 May 1995 12:41:59 -0700 Received: (from phk@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id MAA02404; Fri, 26 May 1995 12:39:10 -0700 From: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-Id: <199505261939.MAA02404@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 12:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Cc: imb@scgt.oz.au, hasty@netcom.com, julian@ref.tfs.com, pss@fore.com, announce@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, rv@fore.com In-Reply-To: <9505261926.AA27641@cs.weber.edu> from "Terry Lambert" at May 26, 95 01:26:03 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 454 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Poul's right. It's an argument against bandwidth overcommit. > > Which is an argument against non-virtual circuit transports for virtual > circuit traffic. > > THAT's the argument against ATM. Well, check Fore's latest switch, it will dump entire AAL5 packets now... -- Poul-Henning Kamp -- TRW Financial Systems, Inc. 'All relevant people are pertinent' && 'All rude people are impertinent' => 'no rude people are relevant' From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 14:47:27 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id KAA01287 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 10:39:27 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA01280 ; Fri, 26 May 1995 10:39:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: imb@scgt.oz.au cc: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr), julian@ref.tfs.com, pss@fore.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@ref.tfs.com, rv@fore.com Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 26 May 95 21:52:32 +1000." <199505261152.VAA07277@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 10:39:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1279.801509965@freefall.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk EVERYONE IN THIS DISCUSSION *** PLEASE *** REMOVE ANNOUNCE FROM THE CC LINE! YOU ARE BOMBARDING THE ANNOUNCE LIST WITH CRAP! Thank you! Sorry to shout, but it was getting ridiculous, and it's really not too much to ask to have people ** EDIT THEIR CC LINES **!! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 14:52:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA03053 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 14:52:17 -0700 Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA03047 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 14:52:16 -0700 Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA17029; Fri, 26 May 1995 17:53:12 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 17:53:12 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199505262153.RAA17029@Glock.COM> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Setuid perl scripts Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone know why setuid perl scripts don't work with /usr/bin/perl? Thanks! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead -> Virginia Tech Center for Transportation Research - -> Multiple Platform System and Network Administration Work Related -> mmead@ctr.vt.edu | mmead@goof.com <- All Other ---- ------- WWW -> http://www.goof.com/~mmead --- ----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 15:02:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA02003 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 11:06:31 -0700 Received: from panther.ferrum.edu (panther.ferrum.edu [192.190.252.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA01995 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 11:06:29 -0700 Received: (from dunn@localhost) by panther.ferrum.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA01437; Fri, 26 May 1995 14:04:12 -0400 From: "James E. Dunn" Message-Id: <199505261804.OAA01437@panther.ferrum.edu> Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD To: peter@wonderland.org (Peter Galbavy) Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 14:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Cc: julian@ref.tfs.com, pss@fore.com, phk@ref.tfs.com, rv@fore.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199505260959.KAA02446@alice.wonderland.org> from "Peter Galbavy" at May 26, 95 10:59:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 455 Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk ATTN!!! You all are group replying to the annouce@freebsd... so I'm sending this to help you out... (note that I removed the annouce@...) Thanks! :-) Jim -- __ /| | "I came... I saw... I e-mail'd..." :-) | \'o.O' | C'mon, you know who this is! Jim | =(___)= | dunn@ferrum.edu | U | "Rrrrrrr! Phhhhht! Rrrrrrr!" -Patches | From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 15:28:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA02380 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 11:16:44 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA02370 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 11:16:41 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id OAA06465; Fri, 26 May 1995 14:16:17 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199505261816.OAA06465@hda.com> Subject: Re: MAJOR problem with FreeBSD-2.0-RELEASE To: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 14:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Cc: davidg@Root.COM, hsu@cs.hut.fi, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505261716.KAA02456@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at May 26, 95 10:16:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1462 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (sent to -hackers instead of bugs) Rodney W. Grimes writes: > > > Properly resetting the SCSI bus, the host adapter, renegotiating > > sync transfers, waiting for all devices to come ready again and > > getting their "bus device reset occurred" message, reaping all > > outstanding I/O transactions, and then retrying those outstanding > > transactions is an effort that includes modifying all the host > > adapter drivers (and looking for a common interface to pull up out of > > them) and so will be a tough job to adequately test. It should > > also be done in conjunction with better I/O transaction scheduling > > to cleanly support tag queuing. This is a 2.1 adventure. > > This is a 2.2 adventure, we are not going to do that kind of massive > work in any part of the system until after 2.1 ships. We simply > can not afford the risk factor at this time. This is of cource, IMHO. Some pieces of this has to be done.. Something that lets us live through devices grabbing the SCSI bus without splattering things should be done. I started I/O transaction scheduling a while ago and put it on hold with the code freeze. The above sketch is my overall take on the best way to do it. Based on when 2.1 is to be released and what the definition I can look for something lower risk. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 16:47:54 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA05955 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 16:47:54 -0700 Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.57]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA05949 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 16:47:51 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA18239 ; Fri, 26 May 1995 16:47:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "matthew c. mead" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Setuid perl scripts In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 26 May 1995 17:53:12 EDT." <199505262153.RAA17029@Glock.COM> Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 16:47:36 -0700 Message-ID: <18237.801532056@westhill.cdrom.com> From: Gary Palmer Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199505262153.RAA17029@Glock.COM>, "matthew c. mead" writes: > Anyone know why setuid perl scripts don't work with /usr/bin/perl? >Thanks! Because when perl detects it's being run set[ug]id, it moves to working with `taintperl' which does a bit more security checking (or something) to prevent security holes opening up inadvertantly. perl scripts quite often have to be re-written to work properly under taintperl 'cos of it's restrictions. See the man page for more. Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 19:23:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id TAA08444 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 19:23:01 -0700 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA08438 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 19:22:56 -0700 Received: from gratiano.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.55]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14542(2)>; Fri, 26 May 1995 19:22:20 PDT Received: by gratiano.parc.xerox.com id <177863>; Fri, 26 May 1995 19:22:13 -0700 From: Bill Fenner To: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com, mmead@glock.com Subject: Re: Setuid perl scripts Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <95May26.192213pdt.177863@gratiano.parc.xerox.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 19:22:11 PDT Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary Palmer writes: >In message <199505262153.RAA17029@Glock.COM>, "matthew c. mead" writes: >> Anyone know why setuid perl scripts don't work with /usr/bin/perl? >>Thanks! > >Because when perl detects it's being run set[ug]id, it moves to >working with `taintperl' which does a bit more security checking (or >something) to prevent security holes opening up inadvertantly. >From my meager reading of the code, /usr/bin/perl tries to exec /usr/bin/tperl4/136 when it decides that it is being run setuid. Normally it would exec /usr/bin/tperl4.036 but the perl import broke its idea of how to build its version number. In any case, neither of these files exist so it will say something like "Can't run setuid script with taint checks" . Bill From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 26 22:34:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA12277 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 1995 22:34:40 -0700 Received: from cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (john@cortex.physiol.su.OZ.AU [129.78.139.131]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA12271 ; Fri, 26 May 1995 22:34:28 -0700 Received: (john@localhost) by cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (8.6.11/8.6.4) id PAA03656; Sat, 27 May 1995 15:34:17 +1000 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 15:34:17 +1000 From: John Mackin Message-Id: <199505270534.PAA03656@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au> To: phk@ref.tfs.com, terry@cs.weber.edu Subject: Re: Drivers for FORE systems cards under FreeBSD Cc: announce@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, hasty@netcom.com, imb@scgt.oz.au, julian@ref.tfs.com, pss@fore.com, rv@fore.com Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For the second and hopefully last time, PLEASE take the announce list out of the headers with this stuff!!! Thanks. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 00:12:34 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA13238 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 00:12:34 -0700 Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA13232 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 00:12:32 -0700 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA02502; Sat, 27 May 1995 00:11:20 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 00:11:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199505270711.AAA02502@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de CC: krebs@faps.uni-erlangen.de, freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com In-reply-to: <199505261839.UAA23059@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> (message from Christoph Kukulies on Fri, 26 May 1995 20:39:56 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: OpenGL and FreeBSD From: asami@CS.Berkeley.EDU (Satoshi Asami | =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQHUbKEI=?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOCsbKEIgGyRCOC0bKEI=?=) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * Mesa belongs to the 2.0 ports collection anyway. It compiles but doesn't install yet. Can someone take a look? Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 00:58:21 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id AAA13914 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 00:58:21 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA13908 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 00:58:11 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-7) id AA26295; Sat, 27 May 95 09:57:29 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id KAA24773 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Sat, 27 May 1995 10:08:16 +0200 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 10:08:16 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199505270808.KAA24773@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: ttydx/cuaax dialup woes Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I had a hell of a time figuring out why my dial-in machine didn't work anymore under FreeBSD-2.0-current. I tried nearly everything in /etc/rc.serial. My ttys line was ttyd0 "/usr/libexec/getty std.19200" dialup on My modems had AT&C1 and AT&D2 set. When dialing in from my home site I got a CONNECT 14400/V.42bis but only got a string of garbage which did not appear to be the banner just in the wrong baud rate. Looking at the process list I could see (through a different connection into the machine) that getty was still sitting there with the same pid. After hanging up at my home site a new getty was execed (pid change). Baud rates from the computer to the modem were 19200 on both sides. I also did a stty -f /dev/ttyid0 19200 -crtsts (also crtscts). The modems were configured to keep the baudrate (AT\J0). It looked like the open (in getty) did not succeed (DCD line?). I could not get a login banner in no way whatever I tried until I changed the ttys line to cuaa0 "/usr/libexec/getty std.19200" dialup on and like magic everything worked. Could anyone explain why I couldn't manage this using ttyd devices? --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.0-BUILT-19950507 FreeBSD 2.0-BUILT-1995 0507 #0: Sun May 7 18:08:05 MET DST 1995 root@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.d e:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 02:15:16 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA15745 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 02:15:16 -0700 Received: from leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.249]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA15714 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 02:14:39 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by leo.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA01892; Sat, 27 May 1995 17:13:41 +0800 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 17:13:41 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: Terry Lambert cc: "Shawn M. Carey" , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ddd-1.2 binary now available In-Reply-To: <9505261909.AA27596@cs.weber.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 26 May 1995, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Anyone else notice the name space conflict with the 'ddd' (team-like) > program that this debugger has? The authors mention this conflict in the install notes, and the man pages has the line "Note: In some sites, DDD is installed as `xddd'." (although it doesn't give a reason there). Maybe ddt would be a better name (if that isn't already taken either). -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 02:19:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA15855 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 02:19:09 -0700 Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA15849 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 02:19:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (uucp@localhost) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) with UUCP id SAA14850 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 27 May 1995 18:00:32 +0900 Received: by tama.spec.co.jp (8.6.11/6.4J.5) id RAA01378; Sat, 27 May 1995 17:55:55 +0900 From: Atsushi Murai Message-Id: <199505270855.RAA01378@tama.spec.co.jp> Subject: union fs is still broken? To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 17:55:55 +0900 (JST) Reply-To: amurai@spec.co.jp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 268 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, It's seems that someone has attempted to fix union_fs, but seems not. Is this true ? Atsushi. -- Atsushi Murai Internet: amurai@spec.co.jp System Planning and Engineering Co,.Ltd. Voice : +81-33833-5341 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 02:48:01 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA16379 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 02:48:01 -0700 Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA16373 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 02:47:57 -0700 Received: from picton.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA22108 (5.67b/HUJI 4.153 for ); Sat, 27 May 1995 12:46:24 +0300 Received: by picton.cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA17618 (5.65c/HUJI 4.114); Sat, 27 May 1995 12:46:20 +0300 Message-Id: <199505270946.AA17618@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List) Cc: Christoph Kukulies Subject: Re: OpenGL and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 26 May 1995 20:39:56 +0200 (MET DST) . <199505261839.UAA23059@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> From: Amos Shapira Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 12:46:19 +0300 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199505261839.UAA23059@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> you write: |> |> > |> > Does anyone know if there is/will be a port of OpenGL to FreeBSD? I know |> > E&S has ported it to Linux (ick!), but any news for FreeBSD? |> > |> > -W- |> > |> I have ported Mesa to FreeBSD. It's an implementation of OpenGL by Brian Pau |l. |> If someone is interested, I could load the binaries up somewhere. |> (But in fact it compiles without greater modifications !) |> Or try the sources from ftp://iris.ssec.wisc.edu:/pub/misc |> | |Mesa belongs to the 2.0 ports collection anyway. Yes! Please put it in some organized place so it is supported. (or am I assuming too much about the /2.0-ports directory? I'm a newbie to FreeBSD). Cheers, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for 133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st. | glory, for its people had been chosen Jerusalem 93 805 | by the finest judges in England." ISRAEL amoss@cs.huji.ac.il | -- Anonymous From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 02:58:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id CAA16430 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 02:58:30 -0700 Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA16424 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 02:58:23 -0700 Received: from picton.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA22133 (5.67b/HUJI 4.153 for ); Sat, 27 May 1995 12:55:39 +0300 Received: by picton.cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA17641 (5.65c/HUJI 4.114); Sat, 27 May 1995 12:55:30 +0300 Message-Id: <199505270955.AA17641@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List) Cc: Bruce Evans Subject: Re: mount "features" In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 27 May 1995 06:28:16 +1000 . <199505262028.GAA12512@godzilla.zeta.org.au> From: Amos Shapira Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 12:55:29 +0300 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bruce Evans wrote: |In FreeBSD, you can mount multiple times at the same mount point. Each |mount gives another layer that hides the previous layer if the default |mount options are used. fd0.1440 is different from fd0 as far as mount |can tell, so the mount is permitted. Could you please explain what do you mean by "another layer"? Does it mean the formers mounts are simply ignored until the later ones are unmounted? Or do the later mounts affect how the partitions mounted by the former mounts are accessed? Seems to me like the first option, but maybe I miss something? Cheers, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for 133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st. | glory, for its people had been chosen Jerusalem 93 805 | by the finest judges in England." ISRAEL amoss@cs.huji.ac.il | -- Anonymous From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 03:13:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA16777 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 03:13:49 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA16771 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 03:13:42 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA01634; Sat, 27 May 1995 20:11:04 +1000 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 20:11:04 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199505271011.UAA01634@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: amurai@spec.co.jp, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: union fs is still broken? Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >It's seems that someone has attempted to fix union_fs, but seems not. >Is this true ? It hasn't been changed significantly since 2.0 (only 8 lines have been changed insignificantly). It cannot work as an lkm (getdirentries() in kern/vfs_syscalls.c has `#ifdef UNION'). This may be considered as a feature :-). ls obviously fails, so you don't more complicated things which will hang the file system(s) or system. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 03:40:53 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id DAA17180 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 03:40:53 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA17171 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 03:40:38 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA02228; Sat, 27 May 1995 20:35:28 +1000 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 20:35:28 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199505271035.UAA02228@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: amoss@cs.huji.ac.il, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mount "features" Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >|In FreeBSD, you can mount multiple times at the same mount point. Each >|mount gives another layer that hides the previous layer if the default >Could you please explain what do you mean by "another layer"? Does it >mean the formers mounts are simply ignored until the later ones are >unmounted? Or do the later mounts affect how the partitions mounted >by the former mounts are accessed? >Seems to me like the first option, but maybe I miss something? Yes, the file names for the former mounts are invisible until the later ones are unmounted. But this is only for the simplest case. There are options to control the ordering of the layers and whether the top layer hides the lower layers. See the man page for mount_union. The general case is too buggy to use in FreeBSD. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 05:14:14 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA21481 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 05:14:14 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA21475 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 05:14:01 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43215>; Sat, 27 May 1995 14:13:23 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA07352; Fri, 26 May 1995 11:18:51 +0200 Message-Id: <199505260918.LAA07352@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Richard Toren cc: hackers Subject: Re: ups C++ source - where do I put it? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 26 May 1995 02:36:58 +0200." Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 11:18:49 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Mark Russell works at the University of Cambridge in Kent England. Difficult - as NO such place exists ! Cambridge is North (or NE) of London, up in fen country (Suffolk maybe ?) Canterbury is South East of London in the County of Kent, Skip rest of article unless you're interested: - Where they really are - What their real names are - How confusion arises The "University of Kent at Canterbury" (known as UKC .. as in hensa.ukc.ac.uk) is on a hill overlooking Canterbury Cathedral in Kent England Cambridge uses the abbreviation "Cantab." (no idea why, maybe Latin ?). Canterbury University is in New Zealand (NZ named their Canterbury after Canterbury in England, then NZ built their University first, so we couldn't use the same name of Canterbury University, one reason it's called UKC) There probably now exists both: The University of Cambridge A Cambridge University B as many towns & cities in the UK saw an upgrade of their Polytechnics to University status recently, I think this happenened at Cambridge too, I think (A) is the original. I studied at UKC, & liked Canterbury so much I didn't leave the city for 5 years after graduating, Cambridge is also a nice place, but it's not in Kent. --- Julian Stacey Tel. +49 89 268616. Fax Modem: 2608126 http://www.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de/people/jhs.html From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 05:13:49 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA21470 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 05:13:49 -0700 Received: from eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (root@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA21464 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 05:13:44 -0700 Received: from vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.142.36]) by eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <43213>; Sat, 27 May 1995 14:13:21 +0200 Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA10023; Fri, 26 May 1995 23:17:52 +0200 Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 23:17:52 +0200 From: Julian Howard Stacey Message-Id: <199505262117.XAA10023@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: fdisk problem - any suggestions In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 May 1995 20:52:13 +0200." <199505251852.LAA01120@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -------- Hi Rod, (CC hackers) Re. no boot blocks on my system ... > > Hi folks, > > I've painted myself into a corner, & would welcome suggestions how to > > get out :-) > > > > I used to have a 50M DOS partition on my root partition, but it was corrupt, > > & fdisk didnt understand it, so i reinstalled the drive, & reduced the 50M > > to 20M too :-), > > I used DOS fdisk to install a C:, then Freebsd fdisk to & disklabel > > using both rsd0c & rsd0d as I recall, > > (I suspect maybe i should have not done 0d) .. > > Now I have a DOS partition I can mount under Freebsd, > > I can even see the C: dos thing if i boot from a dos flopppy, > > but if i try to boot off the hard disc it always runs freebsd, > > regardless of whether I mark freebsd or dos as active with fdisk. > > > > Only thing I can think of now is to install that os-bs thing (from wherever) > > > > Any other suggestions ? > > fdisk/mbr perhaps, you may still have a FreeBSD boot strap in block 0-15 of > the drive. Thanks, I thought I'd zapped the MBR, (though had forgotten the acronym), After I'd realised you meant the DOS command fdisk, I tried it, it seemed to work (unfortunately neither my MS DOS 5 or MS DOS 3 manuals (`3' came with Toshiba T1100+ years ago) seems to list the /mbr syntax, so I'm working blindfolded ) after using dos sys command too, now the 486 boots OK with DOS 20M in slice 0, _However_ FreeBSD can no longer can auto boot ! So I've used the SNAP 95 02 10 rescue flop to install a boot manager (`B' command in some menu ) - which looks cute, but doesnt take me too far. I suspected my /usr/mdec stuff was screwed, so I `refreshed' it with CD-ROM 2.0 stuff (quicker than reading source & trying to figure the dd offsets to read off boot flop & write to winchester). I changed my geometry from :ns#70: :nt#15: :nc#1356: :se#512: to :ns#140: :nt#15: :nc#678: :se#512: to squeeze under the 1024 cyl limit. I used disklabel -B & fdisk again, both on both rsd0c & 0d still no good on reboot, The boot manager just tries for F4 & silently returns. BTW I notice if disklabel is run, it zaps the fdisk display: namely the DOS slice 0 dissapears, & the Slice 3 FreeBSD becomes start 0 size 50000 It's only the boot sector(s) that are missing, as I can boot off the SNAP floppy, & then continue with sd(0,a)/kernel (which is how I'm booting the system that's doing this mail). Further suggestions welcome please :-) ( I suspect I'll have to resort to `dd' (anyone remember the incantation)) Julian S From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 05:52:08 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA21735 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 05:52:08 -0700 Received: from wdl1.wdl.loral.com (wdl1.wdl.loral.com [137.249.32.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA21728 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 05:52:01 -0700 Received: from miles.sso.loral.com by wdl1.wdl.loral.com (4.1/WDL-4.2) id AA01174; Sat, 27 May 95 05:51:06 PDT Received: by miles.sso.loral.com (4.1/SSO-SUN-2.04) id AA09095; Sat, 27 May 95 08:51:48 EDT Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 08:51:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Toren X-Sender: rpt@miles To: hackers Subject: ups 2.45.2 src + C++ patches available Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ups-2.45-Cpp.tgz in /incoming Contains the *unported* sources for the base as well as the patches. Gary Jennejohn helped me with the upload, and appears to be interested in the port. As a side issue, I had some problems with the ftp 'put' command. I was sending from a SunOS 4.1.2 system. I got it to work with 'send' where 'put' failed ???? ==================================================== Rip Toren | The bad news is that C++ is not an object-oriented | rpt@miles.sso.loral.com | programming language. .... The good news is that | | C++ supports object-oriented programming. | | C++ Programming & Fundamental Concepts | | by Anderson & Heinze | ==================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 06:23:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id GAA22153 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 06:23:33 -0700 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA22147 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 06:23:27 -0700 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA16660 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sat, 27 May 1995 08:14:10 -0500 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA29110; 27 May 95 08:13:30 CDT (Sat) Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA29107; Sat, 27 May 1995 08:13:30 -0500 From: Peter da Silva Message-Id: <199505271313.IAA29107@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: ddd-1.2 binary now available To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 08:13:29 -0500 (CDT) Cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, smcarey@mailbox.syr.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at May 27, 95 05:13:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 215 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Maybe ddt would be a better name (if that isn't already taken either). DDT was a common name for debuggers in the late '70s and early '80s. I don't know if there was a DDT for UNIX... the one I used was on CP/M. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 07:23:30 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id HAA22938 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 07:23:30 -0700 Received: from irbs.irbs.com ([199.182.75.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA22932 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 07:23:25 -0700 Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA25577; Sat, 27 May 1995 10:22:54 -0400 From: John Capo Message-Id: <199505271422.KAA25577@irbs.irbs.com> Subject: Re: ddd-1.2 binary now available To: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 10:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com (freebsd-hackers) In-Reply-To: <199505271313.IAA29107@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at May 27, 95 08:13:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 455 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Peter da Silva writes: > > > Maybe ddt would be a better name (if that isn't already taken either). > > DDT was a common name for debuggers in the late '70s and early '80s. I don't > know if there was a DDT for UNIX... the one I used was on CP/M. > You must be an old fart like me. I just pitched a Cromenco CP/M system into the dumpster. Kept my BDS C compiler manual though :-) If this thread continues, I guess it should go chat. -- John Capo From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 08:11:13 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id IAA23810 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 08:11:13 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA23804 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 08:11:10 -0700 Received: (dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.9/8.3) id LAA00391; Sat, 27 May 1995 11:08:57 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199505271508.LAA00391@hda.com> Subject: Re: ddd-1.2 binary now available To: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 11:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Cc: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw, terry@cs.weber.edu, smcarey@mailbox.syr.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505271313.IAA29107@bonkers.taronga.com> from "Peter da Silva" at May 27, 95 08:13:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 543 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Peter da Silva writes: > DDT was a common name for debuggers in the late '70s and early '80s. I don't > know if there was a DDT for UNIX... the one I used was on CP/M. ddt is the kernel debugger on Alliant systems. It is a clone of a DEC ddts; I don't know the history of the ddt family I wish we had it on FreeBSD instead of the current kernel debugger. $"\^J Peter -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 09:39:15 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA26081 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 09:39:15 -0700 Received: from locust.cic.net (pauls@locust.cic.net [192.131.22.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA26075 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 09:39:13 -0700 Received: (from pauls@localhost) by locust.cic.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id MAA10851; Sat, 27 May 1995 12:39:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 12:39:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Southworth To: Peter da Silva cc: Brian Tao , terry@cs.weber.edu, smcarey@mailbox.syr.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ddd-1.2 binary now available In-Reply-To: <199505271313.IAA29107@bonkers.taronga.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 27 May 1995, Peter da Silva wrote: > > Maybe ddt would be a better name (if that isn't already taken either). > > DDT was a common name for debuggers in the late '70s and early '80s. I don't > know if there was a DDT for UNIX... the one I used was on CP/M. Yes, which makes it an excellent name for a debugger on a modern Unix machine. DDT was better than any game on the Kaypro II. One of those things that makes you just want to spend hours ripping things apart. Like a crowbar and a can of spray paint. ;) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 14:42:33 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA05237 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 14:42:33 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA05231 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 14:42:32 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id OAA06205; Sat, 27 May 1995 14:42:16 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199505272142.OAA06205@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: fdisk problem - any suggestions To: jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Julian Howard Stacey) Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 14:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199505262117.XAA10023@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Julian Howard Stacey" at May 26, 95 11:17:52 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 862 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > -------- > > > BTW I notice if disklabel is run, it zaps the fdisk display: > namely the DOS slice 0 dissapears, & the Slice 3 FreeBSD becomes > start 0 size 50000 THAT'S your problem.... you're defining 'c' to be the whole disk instead of just the BSD part? This is the fdisk MBR that is a part of the disklable.. (in case you want the whole disk to be FreeBSD..) someohow you are puting the disklable in block0 instead of at the start of your BSD partition.. (where it goes is defined by partition 'c' I seem to remember) > > It's only the boot sector(s) that are missing, as I can boot off the SNAP > floppy, & then continue with sd(0,a)/kernel > (which is how I'm booting the system that's doing this mail). > > Further suggestions welcome please :-) > ( I suspect I'll have to resort to `dd' (anyone remember the incantation)) > > Julian S > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 14:55:09 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA05577 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 14:55:09 -0700 Received: from spider.cris.crimea.ua (spider.cris.crimea.ua [193.124.53.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA05545 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 14:53:46 -0700 Received: from wind.UUCP (uuwind@localhost) by spider.cris.crimea.ua (8.6.10/8.6.10.1) with UUCP id BAA06719 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 28 May 1995 01:51:52 +0400 Received: from unicorn.ww.net (unicorn.ww.net [193.124.73.40]) by sunset.ww.net (8.6.11/0.0.0) with ESMTP id AAA10495 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 00:24:00 +0400 Received: (from alexis@localhost) by unicorn.ww.net (8.6.11/1.0) id AAA23918 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 28 May 1995 00:21:28 +0400 Message-Id: <199505272021.AAA23918@unicorn.ww.net> Subject: /usr/local filetree and ports question To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 00:21:28 +0000 (WET DST) From: "Alexis Yushin" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1401 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My knowledges may be out of date, but every FreeBSD port I saw before used /usr/local/lib directory for its libraries. The question is why it is so, instead of placing, for example IRC files into /usr/local/share/IRC instead of /usr/local/lib/IRC following, thus, the original BSD filtree philosophy. For example, I think that elm.rc should go into /usr/local/etc but its help files would go into /usr/local/share/misc or just /usr/local/share. I don't have a strong point about local manual pages, but I think it is likely that /usr/local/share/man is the right place for them. Well, then thinking about lets say inn, I think that its binaries would go into /usr/local/libexec (innd etc) /usr/local/bin (frontends) and /usr/local/libexec/news or innd (backends and utilities) The thing described above would, as I suppose, enhace the structure of the whole FreeBSD. Please let me know if I'm wrong. I made such adjustments at my FreeBSD-950322-SNAP boxes and they make me happy now. So, again, I would be just crazy to hear any other philosophical views. alexis P.S. I'm not sure if I'm on the hackers list now -- it is up to majordomo admin (I subscribed local alias instead of me, so they must be checking now), so please mail to me directly: alexis@ww.net -- So much ado my lover So many games we played Through every fleeted summer Through every precious day... From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 15:22:25 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id PAA06980 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 15:22:25 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA06974 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 15:22:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199505272222.PAA06974@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA03262; Sat, 27 May 1995 18:22:16 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: LINT additions To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 18:22:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 658 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We should add something like the following to the LINT kernel: # # MAXMEM Specified the maximum amount of ram in the system in kilobytes. Only # use this if your BIOS is broken (I.e. Compaq's). You can specify as # large an amount as you expect will eventually be in the system, as # FreeBSD is smart enough to recompute the max memory size by scanning # for the presence of this much memory. # # MAXMEM = MB*1024 (so a 16mb system would use MAXMEM=16384) # #options MAXMEM=262144 # -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 16:03:37 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA09155 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 16:03:37 -0700 Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA09149 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 16:03:31 -0700 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA18466; Sun, 28 May 1995 09:01:19 +1000 Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 09:01:19 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199505272301.JAA18466@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu Subject: Re: LINT additions Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ># MAXMEM Specified the maximum amount of ram in the system in kilobytes. Only ># use this if your BIOS is broken (I.e. Compaq's). You can specify as e.g., Actually, FreeBSD's determination of the memory size is broken. It doesn't even use the BIOS except to print a warning if there is a conflict. The memory size in the CMOS RAM has priority. There are conflicting standards for the size in the CMOS RAM. ># large an amount as you expect will eventually be in the system, as ># FreeBSD is smart enough to recompute the max memory size by scanning ># for the presence of this much memory. It's not smart enough. Probing beyond the end of physical memory can cause an NMI trap for a parity error. The first NMI trap is fatal. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 16:05:40 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA09298 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 16:05:40 -0700 Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA09292 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 16:05:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199505272305.QAA09292@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by crh.cl.msu.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA05230; Sat, 27 May 1995 19:04:52 -0400 From: Charles Henrich Subject: Re: LINT additions To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 19:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu In-Reply-To: <199505272301.JAA18466@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at May 28, 95 09:01:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 352 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It's not smart enough. Probing beyond the end of physical memory can cause > an NMI trap for a parity error. The first NMI trap is fatal. The problem is you HAVE to do this for Compaq's to get more than 16mb.. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 16:39:42 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA11465 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 16:39:42 -0700 Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (hasty@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA11457 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 16:39:40 -0700 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA13046; Sat, 27 May 1995 16:38:48 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 16:38:48 -0700 From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Message-Id: <199505272338.QAA13046@netcom14.netcom.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: I Am Still Dizzy ... Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I installed an ISDN line and settle for an Ascend Pipeline 50 ISDN router. Here is a log of an ftp transfer to netcom: ftp 204.188.121.18 Connected to 204.188.121.18. 220 star-gate.com FTP server (Version wu-2.4(1) Sat May 13 14:21:14 PDT 19ady. Name (204.188.121.18:hasty): hasty 331 Password required for hasty. Password: 230- 230 User hasty logged in. ftp> cd / 250 CWD command successful. ftp> binary 200 Type set to I. ftp> get kernel 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for kernel (1074416 bytes). 226 Transfer complete. local: kernel remote: kernel 1074416 bytes received in 58 seconds (18 Kbytes/s) ftp> get kernel 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for kernel (1074416 bytes). 226 Transfer complete. local: kernel remote: kernel 1074416 bytes received in 56 seconds (19 Kbytes/s) I have compression enable actual transfer of gzip files is about 11kbytes/sec :) Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 17:22:17 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA13421 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 17:22:17 -0700 Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA13415 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 17:22:16 -0700 Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id RAA06523; Sat, 27 May 1995 17:21:45 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199505280021.RAA06523@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: LINT additions To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 17:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu In-Reply-To: <199505272301.JAA18466@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at May 28, 95 09:01:19 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2573 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > ># MAXMEM Specified the maximum amount of ram in the system in kilobytes. Only > ># use this if your BIOS is broken (I.e. Compaq's). You can specify as > e.g., > > Actually, FreeBSD's determination of the memory size is broken. It doesn't > even use the BIOS except to print a warning if there is a conflict. The > memory size in the CMOS RAM has priority. There are conflicting standards > for the size in the CMOS RAM. > > ># large an amount as you expect will eventually be in the system, as > ># FreeBSD is smart enough to recompute the max memory size by scanning > ># for the presence of this much memory. > > It's not smart enough. Probing beyond the end of physical memory can cause > an NMI trap for a parity error. The first NMI trap is fatal. > > Bruce > in the OSF/1-386 code, I do the memeory probe WAAAYYYY early.. (while the bios can still run actually), while we are still running on the boot-codes segment descriptors etc.. and certainly before we are in paging mode.. This tests if the BIOS says we have > 63MB ram MASK lops off the top bits of the address (because we are still running away from our 'linked' address. It's not great, but it got my machines up and going julian /* * check to see if there is more ram beyond the end of extmem * because extmem can only show 64k in bios */ checkmoreram: pusha mov $EXT(extmem), %ebx /* passed in from the MACH bootblocks */ and $MASK, %ebx mov (%ebx),%eax /* XXX I must check about sign extension etc */ cmpl $0xfc00, %eax jge 1f #ifdef LOCORE_DEBUG mov $0x40,%ebx call output #endif /* LOCORE_DEBUG */ popa ret /* extmem not even full */ 1: movl $0x40ffffc, %edx /* point to the great unknown */ movl $(0xfc00), %ecx /* count of kB extmem*/ #ifdef LOCORE_DEBUG mov $0x61,%ebx call output #endif /* LOCORE_DEBUG */ 2: movl $0x5a5a5a5a,(%edx) /* put in a value */ movl 0,%eax /* XXX Need to try flush cache */ movl (%edx),%eax /* get value back */ cmpl $0x5a5a5a5a,%eax jne 3f addl $0x400,%ecx /* add 1 MB to the ram we trust */ addl $0x100000,%edx /* move pointer by 1MB too */ #ifdef LOCORE_DEBUG addl $0x1, %ebx call output #endif /* LOCORE_DEBUG */ jmp 2b /* go back and test the next MB */ 3: mov $EXT(extmem), %ebx and $MASK, %ebx mov %ecx,(%ebx) /* put back the new extmem value */ popa ret From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 17:38:29 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA13813 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 17:38:29 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA13807 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 17:38:27 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin.Root.COM [198.145.90.18]) by Root.COM (8.6.8/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA02451; Sat, 27 May 1995 17:41:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA00434; Sat, 27 May 1995 17:38:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199505280038.RAA00434@corbin.Root.COM> To: Julian Elischer cc: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu Subject: Re: LINT additions In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 27 May 95 17:21:45 PDT." <199505280021.RAA06523@ref.tfs.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 17:38:28 -0700 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >in the OSF/1-386 code, I do the memeory probe WAAAYYYY early.. >(while the bios can still run actually), while we are still running >on the boot-codes segment descriptors etc.. >and certainly before we are in paging mode.. >This tests if the BIOS says we have > 63MB ram >MASK lops off the top bits of the address (because we are still running >away from our 'linked' address. > >It's not great, but it got my machines up and going We have code that properly asks the BIOS for the size, but haven't put it in yet because there isn't room in the bootblocks. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 27 23:58:43 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA01938 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 27 May 1995 23:58:43 -0700 Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA01930 for ; Sat, 27 May 1995 23:58:41 -0700 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA07439; Sat, 27 May 1995 23:53:55 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 23:53:55 -0700 Message-Id: <199505280653.XAA07439@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: alexis@unicorn.ww.net CC: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <199505272021.AAA23918@unicorn.ww.net> (alexis@unicorn.ww.net) Subject: Re: /usr/local filetree and ports question From: asami@CS.Berkeley.EDU (Satoshi Asami | =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQHUbKEI=?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOCsbKEIgGyRCOC0bKEI=?=) Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think questions like this are more well-suited to the "ports" list, Alexis.... * My knowledges may be out of date, but every FreeBSD port I saw * before used /usr/local/lib directory for its libraries. The question is : * The thing described above would, as I suppose, enhace the structure * of the whole FreeBSD. I agree with you, it's just that we are try to minimize the changes necessary to the original source to make upgrades and stuff easier. This means following the original's directory structures (as long as they are in /usr/local or /usr/X11R6), and this usually means /usr/local/lib for the libraries, architecture independent or not. It's really not any philosophical decision on our part. But with nearly 300 ports out there, holding the upgrade headaches to a minimum has a very high priority to us. ;) Satoshi