From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 23 03:20:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA17118 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 03:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA17113 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 03:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id DAA07804 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 03:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606231019.DAA07804@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: wcarchive FTP stats for July 22nd From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@root.com Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 03:19:48 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: root@implode.root.com Received: from smyrno.sol.net (smyrno.sol.net [206.55.64.117]) by root.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id DAA07777 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 03:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.4]) by smyrno.sol.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA05828 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 05:16:48 -0500 Received: from wc.cdrom.com (wc.cdrom.com [204.216.28.155]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA17022 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 03:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.28.34]) by wc.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA02305 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 03:13:48 -0700 Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id DAA00732 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 03:14:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id DAA07753; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 03:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606231013.DAA07753@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: tech@cdrom.com, fpv@wcarchive.cdrom.com, jschuur@wcarchive.cdrom.com Subject: wcarchive FTP stats for July 22nd From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 03:13:58 -0700 Sender: root@implode.root.com Archive Stats, DAILY Archive Name Bytes Transfered Files Transfered % Bytes %Files - ------------ ---------------- ---------------- ------- ------ .6/idgames 42,667,771 K 34,985 55.4 15.0 .2/games 9,625,326 K 18,316 12.5 7.9 .16/FreeBSD 5,352,093 K 66,513 6.9 28.6 .1/simtelnet 5,014,125 K 26,844 6.5 11.5 .15/linux 4,017,827 K 22,685 5.2 9.7 .3/demos 3,072,383 K 14,148 4.0 6.1 .12/win 1,863,887 K 5,686 2.4 2.4 .22/cica 1,220,272 K 3,035 1.6 1.3 ... Total 77,012,683 K 232,857 100.0 100.0 ...this doesn't break our all-time record of 80.8GB/day, but this does rank as the second busiest day we've ever had. - -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 23 04:17:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA19536 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA19531 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (mark@localhost.grondar.za [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24584; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 13:16:18 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199606231116.NAA24584@grumble.grondar.za> To: davidg@Root.COM cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wcarchive FTP stats for July 22nd Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 13:16:17 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hmm... David Greenman wrote: > Archive Stats, DAILY > Archive Name Bytes Transfered Files Transfered % Bytes %Files > - ------------ ---------------- ---------------- ------- ------ > .6/idgames 42,667,771 K 34,985 55.4 15.0 > .2/games 9,625,326 K 18,316 12.5 7.9 > .16/FreeBSD 5,352,093 K 66,513 6.9 28.6 > .1/simtelnet 5,014,125 K 26,844 6.5 11.5 > .15/linux 4,017,827 K 22,685 5.2 9.7 > .3/demos 3,072,383 K 14,148 4.0 6.1 > .12/win 1,863,887 K 5,686 2.4 2.4 > .22/cica 1,220,272 K 3,035 1.6 1.3 > ... > Total 77,012,683 K 232,857 100.0 100.0 > > ...this doesn't break our all-time record of 80.8GB/day, but this does ran k > as the second busiest day we've ever had. .... also is it usual for FreeBSD to beat Linux? Maybe this is the turning point? :-) (I know its a meaninless statistic, but I had to get my dig in) M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 23 04:30:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA20018 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA20013 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id EAA07880; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606231127.EAA07880@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Mark Murray cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wcarchive FTP stats for July 22nd In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 23 Jun 1996 13:16:17 +0200." <199606231116.NAA24584@grumble.grondar.za> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@root.com Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:27:13 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Hmm... > >David Greenman wrote: >> Archive Stats, DAILY >> Archive Name Bytes Transfered Files Transfered % Bytes %Files >> - ------------ ---------------- ---------------- ------- ------ >> .6/idgames 42,667,771 K 34,985 55.4 15.0 >> .2/games 9,625,326 K 18,316 12.5 7.9 >> .16/FreeBSD 5,352,093 K 66,513 6.9 28.6 >> .1/simtelnet 5,014,125 K 26,844 6.5 11.5 >> .15/linux 4,017,827 K 22,685 5.2 9.7 >> .3/demos 3,072,383 K 14,148 4.0 6.1 >> .12/win 1,863,887 K 5,686 2.4 2.4 >> .22/cica 1,220,272 K 3,035 1.6 1.3 >> ... >> Total 77,012,683 K 232,857 100.0 100.0 >> >> ...this doesn't break our all-time record of 80.8GB/day, but this does ran >k >> as the second busiest day we've ever had. > >.... also is it usual for FreeBSD to beat Linux? Maybe this is the turning >point? :-) (I know its a meaninless statistic, but I had to get my dig in) These days it's not uncommon, but keep in mind that .15/linux is basically just the Slackware distribution which is waning in popularity. It's going to be interesting to see what happens now that we're (as of a few hours ago) also distributing Debian Linux. It's also going to be interesting to see what happens when both FreeBSD and Slackware Linux simultaneously do their highly-anticipated releases next week. As long as the network glitches don't kill us, I'm expecting to set new traffic records (hell, we might do that tomorrow!). -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 23 04:32:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA20087 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA20082 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id EAA07894; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606231129.EAA07894@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Mark Murray cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wcarchive FTP stats for July 22nd In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 23 Jun 1996 13:16:17 +0200." <199606231116.NAA24584@grumble.grondar.za> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@root.com Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:29:51 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> .16/FreeBSD 5,352,093 K 66,513 6.9 28.6 >> .1/simtelnet 5,014,125 K 26,844 6.5 11.5 >> .15/linux 4,017,827 K 22,685 5.2 9.7 ... >.... also is it usual for FreeBSD to beat Linux? Maybe this is the turning >point? :-) (I know its a meaninless statistic, but I had to get my dig in) Oh yeah, one more thing: The numbers for both FreeBSD and Linux are unusually low. They are normally about 50% higher than the above. I think the incredible popularity of Quake has shut some FreeBSD & Linux people out. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 23 04:36:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA20390 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au (College.ormond.unimelb.edu.au [203.17.189.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA20384 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gavin@localhost) by gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA26409 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 21:36:22 +1000 From: Gavin Cameron Message-Id: <199606231136.VAA26409@gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au> Subject: sup.internat.freebsd.org. Is it ok? To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 21:36:22 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I've been trying to sup the stable security stuff from sup.internat.freebsd.org for a couple of days now with no luck. The sup file I'm using is below. The only thing I changed is the base and prefix parts. I use sup.au.freebsd.org for the rest of the source code without any problems. Can someone please shed some light on this. Thanks in advance Gavin # # Secure stuff # src-eBones release=stable host=sup.internat.freebsd.org hostbase=/home base=/scratch/ftp/pub2/FreeBSD-stable prefix=/scratch/ftp/pub2/FreeBSD-stable/src delete old compress use-rel-suffix src-secure release=stable host=sup.internat.freebsd.org hostbase=/home base=/scratch/ftp/pub2/FreeBSD-stable prefix=/scratch/ftp/pub2/FreeBSD-stable/src delete old compress use-rel-suffix -- []-------------------------------------+--------------------------------------[] | Gavin Cameron | Ormond College | | Ph : +61 3 9344 1201 | The University of Melbourne | | Fax : +61 3 9344 1111 | Parkville, Victoria | | Email : gavin@ormond.unimelb.edu.au | Australia, 3053 | []-------------------------------------+--------------------------------------[] From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 23 04:56:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA20944 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA20923 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (mark@localhost.grondar.za [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00698; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 13:53:45 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199606231153.NAA00698@grumble.grondar.za> To: Gavin Cameron cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sup.internat.freebsd.org. Is it ok? Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 13:53:44 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gavin Cameron wrote: > I've been trying to sup the stable security stuff from sup.internat.freebsd.o rg > for a couple of days now with no luck. The sup file I'm using is below. The > only thing I changed is the base and prefix parts. > > I use sup.au.freebsd.org for the rest of the source code without any problems . > # > # Secure stuff > # > > src-eBones release=stable host=sup.internat.freebsd.org hostbase=/home base=/ scratch/ftp/pub2/FreeBSD-stable prefix=/scratch/ftp/pub2/FreeBSD-stable/src del ete old compress use-rel-suffix > src-secure release=stable host=sup.internat.freebsd.org hostbase=/home base=/ scratch/ftp/pub2/FreeBSD-stable prefix=/scratch/ftp/pub2/FreeBSD-stable/src del ete old compress use-rel-suffix Try this instead: src-eBones release=stable host=sup.internat.freebsd.org hostbase=/home base=/usr prefix=/usr/src delete old compress use-rel-suffix src-secure release=stable host=sup.internat.freebsd.org hostbase=/home base=/usr prefix=/usr/src delete old compress use-rel-suffix Gimme a yell if this doesn't work. BTW - has sup.au.freebsd.org not got the secure goodies? Maybe they should get them! For you blokes "down under", getting sup from South Africa (where internat.freebsd.org is can be a pain. CTM is better. Let me know if you want me to send you a CTM feed. M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 23 14:36:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA24208 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 14:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-146.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.146]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24167; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 14:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA14747; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 15:59:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199606231359.PAA14747@vector.jhs.no_domain> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.jhs.no_domain: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: Bill/Carolyn Pechter , freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cyrix and AMD chips From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany Phone: +49.89.268616 Fax: +49.89.2608126 (later) Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH 1.6.7, PGP available In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:57:24 PDT." <199606210657.XAA01085@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 15:59:09 +0200 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Reference: > From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" > Subject: Re: Cyrix and AMD chips > Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:57:24 -0700 > Message-id: <199606210657.XAA01085@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> > > > >> >michaelv@HeadCandy.com (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com) > >> > AMD chips are awesome. They will work correctly with every > >> > motherboard that runs correctly with Intel chips. > > >Categorically Wrong ! > >2 Gigabyte GA-486US came with Intel 486 33MHz, ran error free for years, > >on multiple OSs, but did not work with 2 pre-tested AMD 486-66 > >(npx probe failed on the Gigabyte boards), > >then systems did (& still do) work again with Intel 486-66. > > How long ago was this? Gary J & I did the tests maybe 6 to 12 months ago, can't remember exactly when. > I know there were some very early chips that had some sort of FPU bug, > or something similar, that would show up under demanding situations. > But those should have been flushed out of the channel *long* ago. Rod knew AMD details, perhaps Gary J remembers too , all I really remember now is both AMDs failed on npx with both boards. Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 23 21:39:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA22658 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 21:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kavemachine.magna.com.au (kavemachine.magna.com.au [203.4.215.219]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA22648 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 21:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kaveman@localhost) by kavemachine.magna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA25948; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:40:01 +1000 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:39:59 +1000 (EST) From: Julian Jenkins To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Laserbaud Catalog Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The new Laserbaud (Mail order CDROM company) catalog arrived in the mail this morning. It had this really intersting product in it: FreeBSD 2.2 Snapshot (Mar 96) Take a multimedia adventure into the exciting world of spiders. Trade in your misconceptions about spiders for some real facts illustrated by full colour photographs and video footage. Dont let this sensational collection of spider myths and legends from around the world pass you by! Walnut Creek. Obviously FreeBSD has chaged a bit since I last looked at it!?!?!?!? Kaveman kaveman@magna.com.au From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 24 11:44:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA20304 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-156.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.156]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20233; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA01387; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:34:32 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:34:32 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199606241334.PAA01387@vector.jhs.no_domain> To: jhs@freebsd.org Subject: ISDN German Telekom 300/700 DM Offer Ends Friday From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH 1.6.7, PGP available Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Skip This If: - You'r not in Germany, or - You don't want ISDN, or - It's no longer June '96 Reminder: The Deutsche Telekom ISDN 300 & 700 DM incentive rebates offer ends this month .. Friday I guess. Erinnerung: [ ISDN Telekom Foerderung nur bis ende Juni ... Freitag ? ] ISDN Tech Info (German): CT Magazine June '96 Page 128-147, S. 130 ordering ISDN through an eqpt. supplier, & getting a share of supplier's DM 130 Telekom rebate (`Vermittlungsprovision`). ISDN on Unix, Technical Discussion Mail List (English): ISDN on Unix (such as FreeBSD) source archive: ftp://ftp.muc.ditec.de/isdn/ Sales/Order Info: Deutsche Telekom, Tel. 01114 This was sent with bcc:'s, to avoid an inadvertent cross post reply wave. If you need to reply, Please use a reduced subset of original header: isdn@muc.ditec.de chat@freebsd.org lehrsthl@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de de-bsd-announce@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de [various_private_lists_on_julian's_host] Disclaimer: I don't work for Telekom, but I'm about to sign as a customer, I'm on all the mail lists above, I'm not an isdn developer, (plse. don't ask me tech. questions), I just made this announcement hoping to save folks' money :-) Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 24 13:52:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA01209 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk (jraynard.demon.co.uk [158.152.42.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01162 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from james@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA05932; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:26:45 GMT Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:26:45 GMT Message-Id: <199606241226.MAA05932@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: kaveman@magna.com.au CC: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Julian Jenkins on Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:39:59 +1000 (EST)) Subject: Re: Laserbaud Catalog Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > FreeBSD 2.2 Snapshot (Mar 96) > Take a multimedia adventure into the exciting world of spiders. Trade in > your misconceptions about spiders for some real facts illustrated by full > colour photographs and video footage. Dont let this sensational > collection of spider myths and legends from around the world pass you by! > Walnut Creek. > > Obviously FreeBSD has chaged a bit since I last looked at it!?!?!?!? Nah, we've just extended our web presence a bit. -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland james@jraynard.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 24 20:30:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23263 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au (College.ormond.unimelb.edu.au [203.17.189.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA23182; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gavin@localhost) by gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA13388; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:30:20 +1000 From: Gavin Cameron Message-Id: <199606250330.NAA13388@gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au> Subject: arplookup failed messages To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:30:20 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I've just setup one of the interfaces on my internet gateway machine with an alias so that I can feed two subnets from the same ethernet card. The gateway machine is setup as follows: IP address on de0 203.17.189.1 and a netmask of 255.255.255.192 an alias on de0 with IP address 203.22.108.1 netmask 255.255.255.192 On a host on the 203.17.189.0 subnet I keep getting the following messages arplookup 203.22.108.1 failed: host is not on local network Is there anyway I can stop the messages? Both machine are FreeBSD boxes, one running 2.0.5 and the one reporting the arplookup failed is -stable. thanks Gavin -- []-------------------------------------+--------------------------------------[] | Gavin Cameron | Ormond College | | Ph : +61 3 9344 1201 | The University of Melbourne | | Fax : +61 3 9344 1111 | Parkville, Victoria | | Email : gavin@ormond.unimelb.edu.au | Australia, 3053 | []-------------------------------------+--------------------------------------[] From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 03:13:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA09937 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 03:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA09927 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 03:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id DAA17294; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 03:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606251012.DAA17294@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: tech@cdrom.com, chat@freebsd.org Subject: new all-time wcarchive traffic record From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@root.com Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 03:12:46 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well here it is... Daily FTP archive statistics for Tue Jun 25 03:03:44 PDT 1996 Archive Stats, DAILY Archive Name Bytes Transfered Files Transfered % Bytes %Files ------------ ---------------- ---------------- ------- ------ .6/idgames 75,062,124 K 32,567 66.8 14.8 .2/games 8,414,985 K 16,703 7.5 7.6 .16/FreeBSD 6,885,005 K 46,576 6.1 21.2 .15/linux 5,221,578 K 28,849 4.6 13.2 .1/simtelnet 4,257,563 K 21,336 3.8 9.7 .3/demos 2,504,871 K 13,911 2.2 6.3 .12/win 2,343,526 K 6,034 2.1 2.8 .22/cica 1,757,180 K 3,789 1.6 1.7 .4/os2 911,398 K 5,059 0.8 2.3 ... Total 112,436,221 K 219,381 100.0 100.0 I think this is pretty incredible. Not only did we beat the previous record (set yesterday) by more than 20%, but we've also reached a new milestone with the traffic being well over 100GB in one day. (the crowd screams) Terabytes! Terabytes! :-) -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 11:01:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA23681 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.coppe.ufrj.br (root@cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.2.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23671 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by mailhost.coppe.ufrj.br (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA03344; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:01:22 -0300 (EST) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199606251801.PAA03344@mailhost.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: The Power of the Daemon... To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:01:21 -0300 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL14 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'd like to share one (bad) experience I had yesterday, proving once for all that the Red "Daemon" Book is really Powerful !!! I was tryig to renew my Driver's License. While waiting to be called I was reading the Red Book. More specifically the section about networking framework. When I was finally called, the whole computer system went down, and I was told to come back the next day. I was told today that the computer system will be out for at least one week, the problem with their network has been extremely bad. What I think about this: Probably their network and operating system was not a FreeBSD and so kneeled down before it's Master. :^) Cheers, Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 ( Job ) jonny@cisi.coppe.ufrj.br Network Manager UFRJ/COPPE/CISI Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 11:44:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA27754 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27747 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA08312; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:44:17 -0700 (PDT) To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Power of the Daemon... In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:01:21 -0300." <199606251801.PAA03344@mailhost.coppe.ufrj.br> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:44:17 -0700 Message-ID: <8310.835728257@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What I think about this: Probably their network and operating system > was not a FreeBSD and so kneeled down before it's Master. :^) Did you offer your consulting services? :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 12:03:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA29233 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maki.wwa.com (maki.wwa.com [198.49.174.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA29225 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wendigo.trans.sni-usa.com by maki.wwa.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0uYdO5-000rMmC; Tue, 25 Jun 96 14:02 CDT Received: from vogon.trans.sni-usa.com (vogon [136.157.83.215]) by wendigo.trans.sni-usa.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA12871 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:58:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from shyam.trans.sni-usa.com (shyam.trans.sni-usa.com [136.157.82.43]) by vogon.trans.sni-usa.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA05980 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:10:39 -0500 From: hal@snitt.com (Hal Snyder) To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: The Vinnie Loophole Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 19:03:49 GMT Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Transportation Technologies Message-ID: <31d0216c.1105698438@vogon.trans.sni-usa.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Moved from security to chat for soapboxing] I said: > > 1. How about adding checks for "." or equivalent in $PATH to > > /etc/security? Scan for it in .profile, .bashrc, and so forth. This > > would not catch every offense but would help. David Greenman didn't want something scanning whole file systems (the way /etc/security looks for setuid/setgid changes now). And On Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:42:33 -0400 (EDT), Jeff Aitken wrote: > filling my system logs is *not* what I consider helpful. If you put "." > last in the path you should be fine. Previous contributors to the massive "Please Help Me..." thread have pointed out that this only works if you never misspell a command nor try to use one that isn't in your PATH (ping is often not in an ordinary user's PATH, e.g.). Clearly, there is no way to please all users of an operating system. My particular slant comes from spending too much time already dealing with FreeBSD-phobes at work. ("It's free - it can't possibly be: secure/robust/useful/...") Commercial users want to be reassured by sales droids and glitzy packaging that something is basically O.K. Of course, they are also suspicious of open-ended technology like UNIX, that can perform more than a single, simple function. Anything that can be done to keep novice sysadmins from hurting themselves is worth looking at, just to keep the noise level down about how dangerous U**X is. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 12:41:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04179 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoover.stanford.edu (hoover.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04148 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU by HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #13307) id <01I6BR0NGL6800AC8U@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU>; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:42:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson Subject: Doc Update Needed? To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <01I6BR0NH4GI00AC8U@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" X-VMS-Cc: ANDRSN MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Forwarded to me.... >>True story from a Novell NetWare SysOp: >> >> Caller: "Hello, is this Tech Support?" >> >> Tech Rep: "Yes, it is. How may I help you?" >> Caller: "The cup holder on my PC is broken and I am within my warranty >>period. How do I go about getting that fixed?" >> >> Tech Rep: "I'm sorry, but did you say a cup holder?" >> >> Caller: "Yes, it's attached to the front of my computer." >> >> Tech Rep: "Please excuse me if I seem a bit stumped, it's because I am. >> Did you receive this as part of a promotional, at a trade show? How did >>you get this cup holder? Does it have any trademark on it?" >> >> Caller: "It came with my computer, I don't know anything about a >>promotional. It just has '4X' on it." >> >> At this point the Tech Rep had to mute the caller, because he could not >>stand it. The caller had been using the load drawer of the CD-ROM drive as a >>cup holder, and snapped it off the drive. >> >>- >I think the fault here lies in the fact that the user failed to read >the manual, if he had done so he would have realised that a 4X cup >holder will only support paper cups no larger than 10 fl ozs. I guess >he had his coffee in a china mug and for that he would need at least a >6X cup holder. I have a Toshiba 8X cup holder and I can get it to >support a pint of lager quite easily. > >BTW does anyone out there know how to get a Bus Toaster card to toast >BOTH sides of the bread at the same time under Linux. Maybe the FreeBSD mug should come with a warning, "Not to be used with a 4X cup holder." From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 13:20:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA12660 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12647 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA13809; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:12:50 -0400 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199606252012.QAA13809@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: int link(const int inode, const char *name2) To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199606251838.LAA00282@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Jun 25, 96 11:38:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > sync;sync;sync > > > > That bit of ancient history is purely psychological. Since sync > > isn't synchronous, after the command returns, your buffers aren't > > all written. However, after you've typed the command twice again, > > odds are they are. :-) > > Actually, 3 sync's is superstition. > Not really, they were a time delay -- the old 11/70's would take a while to sync to the RP04/5/6 or even RK disk drives. Typing sync sync sync with a 300 baud DECwriter gave a significant time delay before hitting the halt switch. The story is sync;sync;sync wasn't good enough -- if the halt switch on the 11/70 was in reach easily... > Two syncs was a trigger for a cache flush on a number of older UNIX > and UNIX-like systems. The second sync would wait, since the kernel > knew that there was a sync pending. > OK, I'll buy this. > One could argue on an old (but active) system, you'd type sync until > it hung for a bit. Maybe the first one was preterbed by loading the > sync code itself? > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org I still think the third sync was "operator carriage return fill characters." Keep them from hitting the big red switch (or magenta) too soon. Bill ex-11/70 RP04 Board swapper ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | 17 Meredith Drive, Tinton Falls, NJ 07724, 908-389-3592 | pechter@shell.monmouth.com I'll run Win95 on my box when you pry the keyboard from my cold, dead hands. FreeBSD, OS/2, CP/M, RT11, spoken here. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 13:37:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA16291 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16280 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA27634; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:36:24 -0700 (PDT) To: Bill/Carolyn Pechter cc: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert), freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: int link(const int inode, const char *name2) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:12:49 EDT." <199606252012.QAA13809@shell.monmouth.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:36:24 -0700 Message-ID: <27620.835734984@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Actually, 3 sync's is superstition. 3 syncs represent the trinity - init, the child and the eternal zombie process. In doing 3, you're paying homage to each and I think such traditions are important in this shallow, mercurial business we find ourselves in. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 13:41:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA16836 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16828 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA00645; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:39:58 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199606252039.NAA00645@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: int link(const int inode, const char *name2) To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:39:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: pechter@shell.monmouth.com, terry@lambert.org, freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <27620.835734984@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 25, 96 01:36:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Actually, 3 sync's is superstition. > > 3 syncs represent the trinity - init, the child and the eternal zombie > process. In doing 3, you're paying homage to each and I think such > traditions are important in this shallow, mercurial business we find > ourselves in. But that would mean they were really one sync... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 14:00:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA19202 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19184 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA11221; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:59:14 -0700 (PDT) To: Terry Lambert cc: pechter@shell.monmouth.com, freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: int link(const int inode, const char *name2) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:39:57 PDT." <199606252039.NAA00645@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:59:14 -0700 Message-ID: <11214.835736354@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > But that would mean they were really one sync... That depends on your belief system, you infidel. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 14:15:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA21242 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21225 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emu.fsl.noaa.gov (kelly@emu.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.32]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA13970; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:11:32 GMT Message-Id: <199606252111.VAA13970@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA003947118; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:11:58 -0600 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:11:58 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: pechter@shell.monmouth.com, terry@lambert.org, freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <27620.835734984@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: int link(const int inode, const char *name2) Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Jordan" == "Jordan K Hubbard" writes: Jordan> 3 syncs represent the trinity - init, the child and the Jordan> eternal zombie process. Ha! I nearly fell off my chair! My officemate (visiting scientist frm Taiwan) can't figure out what's so funny about this ... :-( -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 14:21:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA21968 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21940 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-2) with ESMTP id WAA01234; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:19:04 +0100 (BST) To: Annelise Anderson cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Doc Update Needed? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:42:04 PDT." <01I6BR0NH4GI00AC8U@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:19:03 +0100 Message-ID: <1232.835737543@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Annelise Anderson wrote in message ID <01I6BR0NH4GI00AC8U@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU>: > Maybe the FreeBSD mug should come with a warning, "Not to be used > with a 4X cup holder." ROTFL ;-) Kinda reminds me of a stunt Acorn Computers pulled a couple of years ago. They built a MASSIVE case (if anyone knows the RiscPC slice-based case, you'll know how big they can get. I think the limit is something like 8 expansion cards, 9 3.5" bays and 9 5.25" bays) and ran out of things to put in it, so they added a Morphy Richards pop-up toaster to one of the 5.25" bays, just incase the operator ever got hungry. I don't think they ever managed to get the kettle expansion to work tho, so they hid it. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 17:46:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA15514 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk (jraynard.demon.co.uk [158.152.42.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA15384 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from james@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA02880; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:42:57 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:42:57 GMT Message-Id: <199606252242.WAA02880@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: ANDRSN@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <01I6BR0NH4GI00AC8U@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> (message from Annelise Anderson on Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:42:04 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: Doc Update Needed? Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> Annelise Anderson writes: > > >>True story from a Novell NetWare SysOp: 8-) I suppose you've all heard that Compaq considered adding an extra key to their keyboards because of all the users who rang up tech support saying "my computer told me to press the Any key, but I don't seem to be able to find it..." >BTW does anyone out there know how to get a Bus Toaster card to toast >BOTH sides of the bread at the same time under Linux. Apparently, under some circumstances, Linux displays the message "lpr on fire". From what I know of Linux, I'm sure there must be some kernel patches around where this feature has actually been implemented... -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland james@jraynard.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 25 23:53:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA12763 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA12754 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id IAA10134; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:51:56 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA23942; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:51:55 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA02150; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:45:33 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199606260645.IAA02150@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: int link(const int inode, const char *name2) To: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:45:32 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, pechter@shell.monmouth.com, terry@lambert.org, freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199606252111.VAA13970@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> from Sean Kelly at "Jun 25, 96 03:11:58 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Sean Kelly wrote: > Jordan> 3 syncs represent the trinity - init, the child and the > Jordan> eternal zombie process. > > Ha! I nearly fell off my chair! > > My officemate (visiting scientist frm Taiwan) can't figure out what's > so funny about this ... :-( It wasn't too difficult. :) I usually also have problems understanding Jordan's fine-grain ;) jokes, but this was one of the easier ones... It should go into the fortune's collection. :-] -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 09:05:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA16856 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA16849 for chat; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:05:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199606261605.JAA16849@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: security digest To: chat Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:05:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk seems to be a win, overnight we have 99 subscribers ;) jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 10:38:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA23662 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yucca.cs.odu.edu (root@yucca.cs.odu.edu [128.82.4.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23656; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fog.cs.odu.edu (bowden@fog.cs.odu.edu [128.82.4.35]) by yucca.cs.odu.edu (8.7.3/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA00025; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:40:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: security digest In-Reply-To: <199606261605.JAA16849@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > seems to be a win, overnight we have 99 subscribers ;) > > jmb > I missed out on something...what security digest, and how do I make it 100? Jamie I have my finger on the pulse of the planet. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 16:04:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA01145 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.100.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01104 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from waldrog.cs.uidaho.edu (waldrog.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.100.23]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id QAA11081; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by waldrog.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id QAA21883; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:03:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: waldrog.cs.uidaho.edu: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Jamie Bowden cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: security digest In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:40:04 PDT." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <21878.835830234.1@waldrog.cs.uidaho.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:03:55 PDT Message-ID: <21881.835830235@waldrog.cs.uidaho.edu> From: faried nawaz Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jamie Bowden wrote... I missed out on something...what security digest, and how do I make it 100? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Jamie I have my finger on the pulse of the planet. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ hmm... on an unrelated note, does freefall not have DMfreebsd.org in /etc/sendmail.cf? From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 20:18:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA17346 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA17331 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA09130; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:13:56 -0400 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199606270313.XAA09130@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: resend... To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:13:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I dropped -hackers of the list for this one... -chat seems better. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > I'm a fan of OS/x and Pyramid dual universe stuff (which I will add to > > Freebsd -- think universe bsd and universe gnu/linux) and EVEN I think ONE > > Yuck! That was a total kludge, and Apollo's variant symlinks a far > more powerful/flexible approach (plus you don't have an extra > "universe" command, you just set environment variables - principle of > least surprise). Please don't perpetuate that system! :-( I had a minimum exposure to Apollo -- just weeks. Both Pyramid and Masscomp used the conditional symbolic links. The universe command wasn't needed on the Pyramid since you could mix commands like ps -aux | att cut -f1 -d" " | ucb something all in a pipe. Very flexible. The users could have their universe set by the admin AT&T sold these as System 7000's and the users never knew there was BSD under the hood. Imagine a linux environment with the GNU tools for a cross development system in a "linux universe." Build there and get the Linux libs for default... Anyone else like the idea... (Yeah, I'm also looking at a SysV init/getty/ps)... AT&T types installed the multiple run state init/getty package. BSD'ers could delete the multiple run states by installing the bsd init package. It has 3 uucp's. HDB, SysVR2, and 4.3 and they will interoperate over TCP/IP. I'm going to do it here -- just on my machine. I'm root, I like it, I have no other users who will complain except my wife and she's stuck with me. My daughter's still working with DOS and Windows -- but she's two and young yet. She'll learn. Perhaps she'll even appreciate good old OS's like VAX/VMS and RSTS/E. > > > 2. Declare the BSD method (the REAL original crontab) the winner. > > I think this is probably our best bet. I think we should disable the crontab command and make things work like Edition VII/BSD (pre SysIII) again... This dual cron stuff is a real annoyance -- it was the cause of my vnode ref panics (which I should've caught a long time before the stuff made -hackers...). I tend to prefer the SysV stuff (it's closer to what I'm working with --AIX, Solaris, HP-UX -- even SunOS4)... but we should go one way or another. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | 17 Meredith Drive, Tinton Falls, NJ 07724, 908-389-3592 | pechter@shell.monmouth.com I'll run Win95 on my box when you pry the keyboard from my cold, dead hands. FreeBSD, OS/2, CP/M, RT11, spoken here. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 26 21:31:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA24194 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA24189 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA00198 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:31:36 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id bx27504; 27 Jun 96 4:48 +0100 Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa10985; 27 Jun 96 1:34 +0100 Received: (from fqueries@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA05355; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:45:23 GMT Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:45:23 GMT Message-Id: <199606262345.XAA05355@jraynard.demon.co.uk> From: James Raynard To: markus@clark.net Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606262236.SAA09188@clark.net> (message from Mark Plummer on Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:36:06 -0400) Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. BSDI? Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [re-directed from -questions] > > We are running freebsd from the walnut creek cd. We would like to move > > to an O/S with more support such as BSDI or something else such as > > SCO. > > sco support == no support. > > that'll be $300. (hey charging $300 per useless answer works for sco, i > figure i'll try it...) That's totally untrue and you ought to be ashamed. The $300 is for the hold muzak, of course. (Hmm. Perhaps I ought to start attaching .au files to my answers...) -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland james@jraynard.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 11:03:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14326 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoover.stanford.edu (hoover.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14320 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU by HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #13307) id <01I6EG04XY7400AJKA@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU>; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:04:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. BSDI? To: fqueries@jraynard.demon.co.uk Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <01I6EG04YHHU00AJKA@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"fqueries@jraynard.demon.co.uk" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"freebsd-chat@freebsd.org",ANDRSN MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Re the following: presumably somewhere along the line they got a serious answer--? There must be people willing to accept a retainer of, say, $20,000 a year, plus $300/hr, to advise/consult? I would think one could do most of it without actually being there.... Annelise _________________________________________________ [re-directed from -questions] > > We are running freebsd from the walnut creek cd. We would like to move > > to an O/S with more support such as BSDI or something else such as > > SCO. > > sco support == no support. > > that'll be $300. (hey charging $300 per useless answer works for sco, i > figure i'll try it...) That's totally untrue and you ought to be ashamed. The $300 is for the hold muzak, of course. (Hmm. Perhaps I ought to start attaching .au files to my answers...) -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland james@jraynard.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 27 14:35:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA27855 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27849 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA08692 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:30:43 -0400 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199606272130.RAA08692@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Good News re PDP Unix Licensing (perhaps we'll see FreeBSD on pdp11's) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:30:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Folks -- perhaps if 2.9BSD becomes available some of the FreeBSD goodies will port over (at least the utilities) Forwarded message: >From pat+@transarc.com Thu Jun 27 12:12:10 1996 If-Type-Unsupported: send From: wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey) Message-Id: <9606270206.AA02788@dolphin> Subject: Good News re PDP Unix Licensing To: oldunix@minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:06:47 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Resent-From: Pat Barron Resent-To: INFO-PDP11 Mailing List <+dist+/afs/transarc.com/usr/postman/DistLists/pdp.dl@transarc.com> Resent-Message-Id: All, I just received a very pleasing letter from Dion L. Johnson II, the Product Manager at SCO, about the legal status of the PDP UNIXs. I've included his email and my response below. If I can get a legally authorative statement on paper from SCO, I'll pass it on to you all, especially Steven Schultz. Cheers, Warren In atricle by Dion: > > SCO owns the licensing rights all versions of the UNIX system, or > so our legal folks tell me. Now, of course there are many > derivative, licensed versions, and some of the holders of those > licenses have rights to sublicense. In the case of BSD > enhancements, the Berkeley additions are owned by the Regents of > the University of California, and I believe the UCB license terms > are well known. > > As for your friends who have rescued ancient PDP machines... I > am confident that SCO would cheerfully encourage them to run UNIX > on these antiques without any payment to us. I cant quite > officially give that permission myself, but I can speculate that > SCO certainly would not mind. > > So go for it. Does this help? > -Dion >Dion L. Johnson II - The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. dionj@sco.com >SCO Product Manager - Development Systems and Various Other Stuff >400 Encinal St. Santa Cruz, CA 95061 FAX: 408-427-5417 Voice: 408-427-7565 Dion, thanks very much for your email, in fact I'm ecstatic! I know this could be a tricky legal minefield, so if possible could SCO draft a letter (and run it past their lawyers) which sets out exactly what you said above. In particular, you said that ``SCO would cheerfully encourage them to run UNIX on these antiques without any payment to us''. Does this mean I can legally distribute the source code to the PDP versions of UNIX, and to anybody? or just to people who own PDP-11s. There are PDP-11 emulators available, so it is conceivable that people who don't even have a real PDP-11 might like to try UNIX out on these emulators. If to anybody, then I assume this means the source is legally owned by SCO but freely distributable? I really appreciate your offer of making these old versions of UNIX available, but given the legal status of the code to this point, I would like to cover myself with an officially blessed and signed document from SCO. Let me know what you can do, and many many thanks again for this! Cheers, Warren ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | 17 Meredith Drive, Tinton Falls, NJ 07724, 908-389-3592 | pechter@shell.monmouth.com I'll run Win95 on my box when you pry the keyboard from my cold, dead hands. FreeBSD, OS/2, CP/M, RT11, spoken here. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 28 21:39:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA03891 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hq.cyberrealm.net (hq.cyberrealm.net [205.130.250.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA03884; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dev.cyberrealm.net ([205.130.250.167]) by hq.cyberrealm.net (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA230; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 00:41:49 -0400 X-Sender: dcobb@hq.cyberrealm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-admin@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: Dustin Cobb Subject: Employment opportunities @ CyberRealm Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 00:41:49 -0400 Message-ID: <19960629044148949.AAA230@dev.cyberrealm.net> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Who is CyberRealm? We are a new aggressive international Internet marketing and connectivity organization located in Rockville, MD. Due to our rapid progression in the ISP and Internet presence provider markets, we require more TALENTED and AGGRESSIVE IS professionals. We are looking for personnel with expertise in the following: * FreeBSD 2.x.x (administration and programming [C, C++, Perl, Tcl, SQL]) * General UNIX and Internet services administration (such as UUCP, FTP, HTTP, SMTP, NNTP, DNS, NFS, NIS). * TCP/IP and related routing protocols (such as BGP, EGP, IGRP, RIP, OSPF, etc.) * Experience with troubleshooting hardware problems on Intel-based systems (MIPS and Alpha a +). * Experience with UNIX and Internet service related security issues. You will be expected to promptly react to all relevant CERT advisories. Firewall experience required. * OLTP and secure transactions. 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For more info, http://www.cyberrealm.net From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 29 09:51:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA14088 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 09:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA14083 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 09:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id SAA05847; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 18:50:47 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id SAA17308; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 18:50:47 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA29276; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 18:33:36 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199606291633.SAA29276@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Firewalling DNS TCP (was Re: IPFW bugs?) To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 18:33:35 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, nash@mcs.com Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199606291507.KAA06356@zen.nash.org> from Alex Nash at "Jun 29, 96 10:07:51 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (Moved to -chat since it's of political, not technical nature. :) As Alex Nash wrote: > We suggest that sites filter socket 53 (TCP) to prevent domain > name service zone transfers. Permit access to socket 53 (TCP) > only from known secondary domain name servers. This prevents > intruders from gaining additional knowledge about the systems > connected to your local network. I think that idea is fundamentally flawed. :-) I usually transfer DNS zone files if i think this will take load off my line (e.g. for zones i know i'm referencing quite often). DNS is a _public service_, and if local sites have something you can learn from a DNS zone transfer, this is rather an indication that there's something else broken at this site. E.g., they are using a firewall to hide the administrative chaos they've got in their local network, and thus don't want you to know about the local hosts -- but of course, you are a clever Bad Guy, thus you do already know which hosts they've got and which are vulnerable, and to the least, you know how to get this information even without the support of their DNS server. <:) Further, the above statement is moot if the ``known secondary domain name servers'' don't do the same policy, and if they are not sure whether all their ``known secondary domain name servers'' are beyond suspicion that they do also filter port 53 etc... ``Firewalls are a lame excuse for total lack of local system administration.'' :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)