From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jul 28 01:23:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA06667 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 01:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dympna (dympna.lgc.com [134.132.73.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA06647 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 01:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dympna (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id DAA05506 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 03:12:25 -0500 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 03:12:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Snow X-Sender: rsnow@dympna To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: PPro flops numbers out there? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hmm, does anyone have some flops (flops 2.0) numbers out there for a PPro-200? I'm getting about 25 or so. This seems low. -Rob From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jul 28 07:20:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA23825 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 07:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (root@orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA23819 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 07:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (scanner@orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.41]) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA21784; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:19:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Scanner To: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu cc: FreeBSD misc chating list Subject: Re: Sysadmin magazine In-Reply-To: <199607280237.TAA20497@kongur> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 27 Jul 1996 obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu wrote: > I just noticed the call for papers for Sys Admin magazine > (http://www.samag.com/call.htm). They plan on making the January 1997 > issue devoted to Linux. > > January 1997: Linux You know this reminds me of something some one once said to me that I didnt even remember till now... "SysAdmin magazine.. the magazine for the professionally clueless." -Terminus -- ===================================| Webspan Inc., ISP Division. FreeBSD 2.1.5 is available now! | Phone: 908-367-8030 ext. 126 -----------------------------------| 500 West Kennedy Blvd., Lakewood, NJ-08701 Turning PCs into Workstations | E-Mail: scanner@webspan.net http://www.freebsd.org | SysAdmin / Network Engineer / Security ===================================| Member BSDNET team! http://www.bsdnet.org From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jul 28 08:30:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA26774 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 08:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA26767; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 08:30:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199607281530.IAA26767@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: PPro flops numbers out there? To: rsnow@lgc.com (Rob Snow) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 08:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Rob Snow" at Jul 28, 96 03:12:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rob Snow wrote: > > > Hmm, does anyone have some flops (flops 2.0) numbers out there for a > PPro-200? > > I'm getting about 25 or so. This seems low. if flops are a single number attempt to chacaterize computation speed (barf) no, i dont. if you want an excellent computation benchmark that provides a graph of computation vs data set size, i have results for a PPro 150 running single user 2.1.0 (computer by dell, dont remember the chipset ;( all the details make a significant difference once the data set is larger that the processors on-chip/in-package cache. at that point you start to use the memory/cache system, etc...) its called Hint. it will also provide a single number result. written by people at ames lab to measure the speed of their supercomputers. results are available for a variety of machines (from a Intel Paragon 1840 node (single number result: 633.21) to a DEC 2100 (0.33)) the url is http://www.scl.ameslab.gov/scl/HINT/HINT.html the "Interactive graphing of HINT" url on that page is broken. use the one below instead. http://gemini.scl.ameslab.gov:8080/cgi-bin/master.cgi jmb ps. arghhhh...the results are at work! will mail them separately. -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jul 28 08:44:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA27267 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 08:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.pmr.com (luke.pmr.com [206.224.65.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27257 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 08:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id KAA05103; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:44:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Bob Willcox Message-Id: <199607281544.KAA05103@luke.pmr.com> Subject: Re: PPro flops numbers out there? To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:44:39 -0500 (CDT) Cc: rsnow@lgc.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199607281530.IAA26767@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at "Jul 28, 96 08:30:30 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > the url is http://www.scl.ameslab.gov/scl/HINT/HINT.html > > the "Interactive graphing of HINT" url on that page is broken. > use the one below instead. > > http://gemini.scl.ameslab.gov:8080/cgi-bin/master.cgi I was prompted for a user id and password when attempting to access the above URL. -- Bob Willcox politics, n: bob@luke.pmr.com A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of Austin, TX principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. -- Ambrose Bierce From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jul 28 08:52:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA27790 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 08:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA27775; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 08:52:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Lehey Message-Id: <199607281552.IAA27775@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Sysadmin magazine To: scanner@webspan.net (Scanner) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 08:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: chat In-Reply-To: from "Scanner" at Jul 28, 96 10:19:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Sat, 27 Jul 1996 obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu wrote: > > > I just noticed the call for papers for Sys Admin magazine > > (http://www.samag.com/call.htm). They plan on making the January 1997 > > issue devoted to Linux. > > > > January 1997: Linux > > You know this reminds me of something some one once said to me that I > didnt even remember till now... > > "SysAdmin magazine.. the magazine for the professionally clueless." -Terminus Wow, that's real positive thinking. I think that we should get in touch with them and make some attempt to change this situation. I could well imagine that they'd be interested in a well-written article on Free BSD (Jordan?). Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jul 28 09:29:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA29475 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 09:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.188]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29470 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 09:29:33 -0700 (PDT) From: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu Received: from kongur (kongur.cs.ucdavis.edu) by toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD.CS.2.6) id AA12641; Sun, 28 Jul 96 09:29:31 PDT Received: by kongur (SMI-8.6/UCDCS.SECLAB.Solaris2-2.0) id JAA20892; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 09:30:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199607281630.JAA20892@kongur> Subject: Re: Sysadmin magazine To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD misc chating list) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 09:30:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199607281552.IAA27775@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Greg Lehey" at Jul 28, 96 08:52:49 am X-Pgp-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Sat, 27 Jul 1996 obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu wrote: > > > I just noticed the call for papers for Sys Admin magazine > > > (http://www.samag.com/call.htm). They plan on making the January 1997 > > > issue devoted to Linux. > > I could well imagine that they'd be interested in a well-written article > on Free BSD (Jordan?). Agreed. If any of the FBSD ISP people had the time, I'd imagine we could show where FBSD shines. I've heard a lot of them say in the newsgroup that they switched from Linux to FBSD because it was better (for them) with running an ISP. And shoot, an article on how to tune your FBSD box to handle 1250 simutainous FTP users + web users would be really neat. :-) Maybe I should have sent my email to the ISP list too. -- David (obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 29 04:36:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA21281 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from garion.hq.ferg.com (pm1-05.wmbg.widomaker.com [204.17.220.105]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA21255 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.hq.ferg.com (localhost.hq.ferg.com [127.0.0.1]) by garion.hq.ferg.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA07053; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:30:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199607291130.HAA07053@garion.hq.ferg.com> X-Authentication-Warning: garion.hq.ferg.com: Host localhost.hq.ferg.com didn't use HELO protocol From: Branson Matheson To: Peter Mutsaers Cc: FreeBSD-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux -- one user's opinions In-reply-to: Your message of "26 Jul 1996 18:54:23 +0200." <87687bx8e8.fsf@localhost.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:30:54 -0400 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > That depends. You can run Linux with a BSD feeling to o, since > there is not 1 distribution. For example, most distributions c ome > with a SYSV init and all these horrible /etc/rc?.d directories. B > ut the standard linux-utils package has a BSD like init and a simple > /etc/rc and /etc/rc.local sample file. Horrible???!? Those particular scripts are one of the only things that I really like about sys V ( there is others ), but the ability to gracefully shutdown certain applications like database engines and cache programs is a wonderful ability. I also like the ease of being able to start, stop or restart any program in a sysV machine by going into /etc/rc.d and typing {program} stop, start or restart. I have often contemplated replacing the current setup with somthing a little more useful... like an /etc/rc.* set of directories that still used the /etc/sysconfig to start the system. -branson ============================================================================= Branson Matheson | Ferguson Enterprises | If Pete and Repeat were System Administrator | W: (804) 874-7795 | sittin on a fence and Pete Unix, Perl, WWW | branson@widomaker.com | fell off, who is left? From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 29 12:07:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA16329 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aris.jpl.nasa.gov (aris.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.235.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16323 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aris (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aris.jpl.nasa.gov (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11630 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31FD0BF4.33A6@aris.jpl.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:07:32 -0700 From: Jake Hamby Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: "UNIX doesn't run on PCs." Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------72DD206317C4" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------72DD206317C4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saw this on comp.sys.linux.advocacy. Seems that Steve Ballmer thinks that "UNIX doesn't run on PCs." Well, he tries to clarify that, but anyway read the attachment for yourself, the original poster makes some good points, esp. about Microsoft's opinion and advertising spin about UNIX lately, e.g. claiming that Visual Basic is "Not some proprietary language" when in fact that's _exactly_ what all of their products are. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Jake Hamby| Ask me about Unix, FreeBSD, Solaris, The Tick, BeBox, or NT, eh?| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "This space intentionally left blank." --------------72DD206317C4 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: llyene!wlbr!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!daily-planet.execpc.com!newspump.sol.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!jstern From: jstern@Primenet.Com (Josh Stern) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux's X is incomplete? Valid? Date: 26 Jul 1996 04:38:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet Lines: 105 Message-ID: <4taamp$25o@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: X-Posted-By: jstern@usr08.primenet.com Raymond Nijssen wrote: >You can safely expect that EI for X will depend on otherwise unnecesary >M$-proprietary X-extensions which other X-vendors will have to pay for. My expectation is that MS would port IE using one of those tools that automagically generates Motif source from Windows source. Then the Unix versions of IE will be bloated and inefficient, giving MS an opportunity to run comparison adds showing better performance with NT. Btw - has everyone noticed Microsoft's new marketing strategy of claiming that they are open standards and Unix solutions are proprietary? In every interview I read from some Microsoft rep these days, something along these lines is always mentioned. For instance, look at the interview with Steve Ballmer in the latest Information Week (www.informationweek.com) He basically says that Unix doesn't 'really' run on Intel machines and that developers can choose between NT or Unix on "proprietary" RISC platforms (as if Intel is non-proprietary). Here is the relevant portion of the interview: IW: What about the question of NT's market versus Novell Directory Services versus UNIX? BALLMER: Well, when you look at it, it's just weird. NetWare has pigeonholed itself by saying they don't want to be a general-purpose application server, which is just unusual. I think it's not a winning proposition for them, long-term. Certainly not in the InformationWeek accounts. Maybe it'll work in smaller businesses but it isn't going to work in InformationWeek accounts. People want to run applications and they don't really want to have to learn two administrative models, two scripting models, two directory models, two of everything. This is my view of the world. I think they've made a mistake. And maybe they feel very good about the decisions they've made. I say again, I think they've made a mistake. Certainly, it feels like it's allowing us to build share. Now, if people just want to do file and print service, I think there's some advantages to what we have. There are some nice things that are in NDS. We're rolling out our directory stuff. We have this big design preview coming later this year. I think November [is when] we've said that thing will be where we kind of show the whole gauntlet of things that we'll have for, not only directory but for distributed services, how it builds on the directory that we already have built into Exchange. We talked about it some on our intranet day. But Novell is so behind the eight-ball because they've said they're not an applications server. UNIX's big problem--or our big opportunity--is that UNIX doesn't run on PCs. I mean, it does but it doesn't, in the sense that there is no bigtime, powerful, exciting, dynamic vendor who you can count on being around pushing UNIX on the PC. I mean, Sun's not really doing that with Solaris. SCO (the Santa Cruz Operation) is a fine company, of which we own 15%, but I don't believe you could say that they are a big, dynamic, name brand [thatıs] going to be around a long time. And I think everybody accepts that the PC is the deployment platform of the future. People tell you, we're going to have our mainframes for 20 years. People tell you this, they'll tell you that, they'll tell you the other thing. But there's nobody who won't tell you, "Hey, if I have to start a new application tomorrow, it's either going to be on a RISC UNIX system or it's going to be on a PC. I'd like it to be on a PC, but I'll just have to make sure that it's scaleable enough." That's the discussion, and believe me, the PC just got a lot better in the last few months, when Oracle said that NT would be treated as a product development platform with UNIX. What did that do? That put more pressure on other platforms, because it means that Oracle is going to do their best work not only on the proprietary, higher-end hardware but also on PCs with NT. So, I think that nobody's serious about putting UNIX on a PC means that it is in trouble. It seems a simple formula: Be a file server, be a Web server, be an apps server, run on a PC. Does that sound like such a magical formula? It doesn't to me. It sounds like, at this stage in the game, a pretty obvious product definition. But the only product that passes that test today really is NT, and that's really allowing us to ramp our business. Fair warning: this part is buried within pages and pages of other drivel. There is also another long interview with another Microsoft rep in the same issue online. This comes one week after this publication ran the "NT Reality Check" story. - Josh -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- jstern jstern@primenet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------72DD206317C4-- From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 29 14:32:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA24018 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24010 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA19061; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 23:31:42 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id XAA16309; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 23:31:17 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.Alpha.5/keltia-uucp-2.8) id WAA14361; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:14:15 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199607292014.WAA14361@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:14:15 +0200 From: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) To: branson@widomaker.com (Branson Matheson) Cc: plm@xs4all.nl (Peter Mutsaers), FreeBSD-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux -- one user's opinions In-Reply-To: <199607291130.HAA07053@garion.hq.ferg.com>; from Branson Matheson on Jul 29, 1996 7:30:54 -0400 References: <199607291130.HAA07053@garion.hq.ferg.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.38 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Branson Matheson: > programs is a wonderful ability. I also like the ease of being able > to start, stop or restart any program in a sysV machine by going into > /etc/rc.d and typing {program} stop, start or restart. You can have it *now*. Here is the top of my /etc/sysconfig: ######################### Start Of Local Configuration Section ########### # Location of local startup files. local_startup=/etc/rc.d 270 [0:44] root@keltia:~# ll /etc/init.d total 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 188 Sep 25 1995 README -rwxr-x--- 1 root wheel 359 Mar 7 21:58 httpd.sh* -rwxr-x--- 1 root wheel 244 Jun 30 14:14 news.sh* -rwxr-x--- 1 root wheel 314 Nov 17 1995 ssh.sh* 271 [22:07] root@keltia:~# ll /etc/rc.d total 0 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 May 27 00:28 90news.sh@ -> ../init.d/news.sh lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 16 May 27 00:28 91ssh.sh@ -> ../init.d/ssh.sh You can see that hhtpd.sh is not run at startup as it is not present in rc.d. I can start/stop ssh just by using the script itself: ------------------------------------------------------------ #! /bin/sh SSHDIR=/etc/ssh PIDDIR=/var/run if [ X"$1" = Xstart ]; then if [ -f /usr/local/sbin/sshd -a -f $SSHDIR/sshd_config ]; then echo 'Starting sshd.' /usr/local/sbin/sshd fi fi if [ X"$1" = Xstop ]; then if [ -f $PIDDIR/sshd.pid ]; then echo 'Stopping sshd.' kill `cat $PIDDIR/sshd.pid` fi fi ------------------------------------------------------------ > I have often contemplated replacing the current setup with somthing a > little more useful... like an /etc/rc.* set of directories that still > used the /etc/sysconfig to start the system. I also have patches to init in order to use a /etc/rc.shutdown file. The patches are a bit half-baked because there was a discussion about the behaviour of reboot/halt. If we want to do it as complete as possible, both of them should only be "kill -HUP 1" and let init do all the work. As they are now, rc.shutdown is run when you shutdown the system with shutdown(8) but not with halt(8)/reboot(8). Patching init(8) to use a directory /etc/rc.shutdown.d instead should not be that difficult. If you want them... 274 [22:11] root@keltia:~# ll ~/Patches/init.2.0.PATCH -rw-r--r-- 1 roberto bin 4282 Dec 26 1994 init.2.0.PATCH They would have to be adapted to 2.2 but it should not be difficult. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #16: Sun Jul 21 13:26:53 MET DST 1996 From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 29 17:03:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA01340 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saba.kuentos.guam.net (saba.kuentos.guam.net [198.81.233.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA01327 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by saba.kuentos.guam.net (Smail3.1.29.1 #9) id m0ul2Gr-002EuCC; Tue, 30 Jul 96 10:02 GST Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:02:45 +1000 (GST) From: T-I-GG-Rrr!! To: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu cc: FreeBSD misc chating list Subject: Re: Sysadmin magazine In-Reply-To: <199607281630.JAA20892@kongur> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > On Sat, 27 Jul 1996 obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu wrote: > > > > I just noticed the call for papers for Sys Admin magazine > > > > (http://www.samag.com/call.htm). They plan on making the January 1997 > > > > issue devoted to Linux. > > > > I could well imagine that they'd be interested in a well-written article > > on Free BSD (Jordan?). > > Agreed. If any of the FBSD ISP people had the time, I'd imagine we could > show where FBSD shines. I've heard a lot of them say in the newsgroup > that they switched from Linux to FBSD because it was better (for them) > with running an ISP. And shoot, an article on how to tune your FBSD box > to handle 1250 simutainous FTP users + web users would be really neat. > :-) Maybe I should have sent my email to the ISP list too. > > -- David (obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu) > Well said all aournd! I fully think it is a excellent and wonderful idea! Bravo! Bill =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= =* Bill Shaw *= =* Kuentos Communications Inc. Guam USA *= =* Guams First Internet Provider *= =* meltedice@kuentos.guam.net *= =* http://www.guam.net/home/bhshaw2 *= =* IFORMS Chat Run On BSDI *= =* telnet buri.kuentos.guam.net 3000 *= =* *= =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 30 08:00:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA26813 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 08:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA26802; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 08:00:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Lehey Message-Id: <199607301500.IAA26802@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Sysadmin magazine To: meltedice@kuentos.guam.net Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 08:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Cc: chat In-Reply-To: from "!" at Jul 30, 96 10:02:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > On Sat, 27 Jul 1996 obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu wrote: > > > > > I just noticed the call for papers for Sys Admin magazine > > > > > (http://www.samag.com/call.htm). They plan on making the January 1997 > > > > > issue devoted to Linux. > > > > > > I could well imagine that they'd be interested in a well-written article > > > on Free BSD (Jordan?). > > > > Agreed. If any of the FBSD ISP people had the time, I'd imagine we could > > show where FBSD shines. I've heard a lot of them say in the newsgroup > > that they switched from Linux to FBSD because it was better (for them) > > with running an ISP. And shoot, an article on how to tune your FBSD box > > to handle 1250 simutainous FTP users + web users would be really neat. > > :-) Maybe I should have sent my email to the ISP list too. > > > > -- David (obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu) > > > > Well said all aournd! I fully think it is a excellent and wonderful > idea! Bravo! Well, it's not done with the saying. We need to contact these people and sell the idea to them. Can anybody give me their contact info? BTW, Bill, did you know that elm displays your mail ID as '!'? Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 30 08:23:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA01316 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 08:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from garion.hq.ferg.com (pm1-15.wmbg.widomaker.com [204.17.220.115]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA01261; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 08:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.hq.ferg.com (localhost.hq.ferg.com [127.0.0.1]) by garion.hq.ferg.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA18343; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:23:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199607301523.LAA18343@garion.hq.ferg.com> X-Authentication-Warning: garion.hq.ferg.com: Host localhost.hq.ferg.com didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 From: Branson Matheson To: Greg Lehey cc: meltedice@kuentos.guam.net, chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sysadmin magazine In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Jul 1996 08:00:56 PDT." <199607301500.IAA26802@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:23:25 -0400 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -------- >> Well said all aournd! I fully think it is a excellent and wonderful >> idea! Bravo! Heh .. I have met and talked with Bjorn ... he is a linux advocate... it will be a difficult thing that you attempt. > >Well, it's not done with the saying. We need to contact these people >and sell the idea to them. Can anybody give me their contact info? Sure: checkout ftp.mfi.com:/pub/sysadmin for the ftp site... and the contact information for the publisher is Sys Admin Miller Freeman Inc. 600 Harrison St. San Francisco, Calif 94107 1-800-365-2210 303-678-0439 from the Paper submit page: Amber Ankerholz Sys Admin 1601 W. 23rd St. suite 200 Lawrence, Kansas 66046 (913) 841-1631 e-mail: saletter@rdpub.com Good luck! -branson -- ============================================================================= Branson Matheson | Ferguson Enterprises | If Pete and Repeat were System Administrator | W: (804) 874-7795 | sittin on a fence and Pete Unix, Perl, WWW | branson@widomaker.com | fell off, who is left? From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 30 10:09:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA18895 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18890; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.Stanford.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA04802; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:52:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Branson Matheson cc: Greg Lehey , meltedice@kuentos.guam.net, chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sysadmin magazine In-Reply-To: <199607301523.LAA18343@garion.hq.ferg.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Branson Matheson wrote: > -------- > >> Well said all aournd! I fully think it is a excellent and wonderful > >> idea! Bravo! > > Heh .. I have met and talked with Bjorn ... he is a linux advocate... > it will be a difficult thing that you attempt. > > > >Well, it's not done with the saying. We need to contact these people > >and sell the idea to them. Can anybody give me their contact info? You might consider proposing that they do (out of journalistic fairness) an entire issue on FreeBSD. This would give you more time to scope out and write the articles. Annelise From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 30 11:04:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA22783 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.188]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22778 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:04:44 -0700 (PDT) From: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu Received: from kongur (kongur.cs.ucdavis.edu) by toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD.CS.2.6) id AA18418; Tue, 30 Jul 96 11:04:32 PDT Received: by kongur (SMI-8.6/UCDCS.SECLAB.Solaris2-2.0) id LAA24788; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:05:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199607301805.LAA24788@kongur> Subject: Re: Sysadmin magazine (FWD) To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD misc chating list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:05:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Pgp-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here is a message I sent and the reply to it. :-(( Sad. -- David ----- Forwarded message by Amber_Ankerholz_at_MFI-Lawrence@mfi.com ------- >From Amber_Ankerholz_at_MFI-Lawrence@mfi.com Mon Jul 29 08:14:49 1996 David-- Thanks for the comments on Linux. Actually, the "free UNIXes" topic came up, and we will probably cover that at some point. I realize much Linux information can be found elsewhere, but the previous issue we devoted to Linux was one of our most popular issues ever. Please bear with us. Thanks for your interest and support of Sys Admin. I appreciate it. Sincerely, Amber Ankerholz (amber@rdpub.com OR aankerholz@mfi.com) Managing Editor Sys Admin ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: SA web email Author: samag@sybil.mfi.com (Web Server for Site-> Systems Administration Magazine) at Internet Date: 7/27/96 8:34 PM sent the following: ------------------------------------------------------------ _Name: David O'Brien E-mail: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu Topic: Linux issue Body: I just noticed the call for articles for the "Linux" issue. Please don't turn Sys Admin into the "Linux Journal II". There is already a magizine targeted torward Linux users, I don't use Linux, and I really don't care to read an entire issue devoted to it -- if I did, I would subscribe Linux Journal. Why not focus that issue on the larger scaled "Free Unixes" that would include Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Mach, Hurd, etc. -- David Origin: saweb ----- End of forwarded message by Amber_Ankerholz_at_MFI-Lawrence@mfi.com ------- From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 30 11:55:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA28043 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from garion.hq.ferg.com (pm1-15.wmbg.widomaker.com [204.17.220.115]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28036 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.hq.ferg.com (localhost.hq.ferg.com [127.0.0.1]) by garion.hq.ferg.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA20026; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:55:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199607301855.OAA20026@garion.hq.ferg.com> X-Authentication-Warning: garion.hq.ferg.com: Host localhost.hq.ferg.com didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 From: Branson Matheson To: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD misc chating list) Subject: Re: Sysadmin magazine (FWD) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:05:28 PDT." <199607301805.LAA24788@kongur> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:54:59 -0400 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -------- obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu uttered with conviction: >Here is a message I sent and the reply to it. :-(( > > Sad. > >-- David >Name: David O'Brien >E-mail: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu >Topic: Linux issue >Body: I just noticed the call for articles for the "Linux" issue. > >Please don't turn Sys Admin into the "Linux Journal II". There is >already a magizine targeted torward Linux users, I don't use Linux, and I >really don't care to read an entire issue devoted to it -- if I did, I >would subscribe Linux Journal. > >Why not focus that issue on the larger scaled "Free Unixes" >that would include Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Mach, Hurd, etc. > This is not a flame.. however... hmmm... this isn't necessarily as diplomatic as it should have been. When soliciting exposure, we should be positive in our approach. I like the idea of asking them to take an interest in our operating system of choice, however, backing them into a corner with accusations is certianly not going to convince them to consider it. Next time lets try a more positive view.. I am currently working on a paper for the rag... supporting a Problem Queueing system for SA's and ISP's. Most of the development was done on FreeBSD and I am going to try to emphasize that in my article. -branson -branson -- ============================================================================= Branson Matheson | Ferguson Enterprises | If Pete and Repeat were System Administrator | W: (804) 874-7795 | sittin on a fence and Pete Unix, Perl, WWW | branson@widomaker.com | fell off, who is left? From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 30 12:21:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA29815 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29810; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emu.fsl.noaa.gov (kelly@emu.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.32]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29355; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:21:00 GMT Message-Id: <199607301921.TAA29355@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA140554479; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:21:19 -0600 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:21:19 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu Cc: branson@widomaker.com, grog@freefall.freebsd.org, meltedice@kuentos.guam.net, chat@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: (message from Annelise Anderson on Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:52:31 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: Sysadmin magazine Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> Annelise Anderson writes: > You might consider proposing that they do (out of journalistic > fairness) an entire issue on FreeBSD. This would give you more time > to scope out and write the articles. One could try, but I doubt the response would be better than ``Huh? Whazzat FreeBSD stuff?'' I base this solely on my own experience when I approached O'Reilly & Associates about a FreeBSD book. They did recognize it, but, they outright said no and that Linux was the only way to go. A better alternative might be to write a comparison article for their upcoming Linux issue; or just to submit FreeBSD-specific articles for future issues. If they do an issue of security, do an article on FreeBSD's packet filtering and firewalling. Etc. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 30 19:26:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25681 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.188]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA25667 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:26:28 -0700 (PDT) From: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu Received: from kongur (kongur.cs.ucdavis.edu) by toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD.CS.2.6) id AA26074; Tue, 30 Jul 96 19:26:25 PDT Received: by kongur (SMI-8.6/UCDCS.SECLAB.Solaris2-2.0) id TAA25737; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:27:22 -0700 Message-Id: <199607310227.TAA25737@kongur> Subject: Re: Sysadmin magazine To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD misc chating list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:27:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199607301921.TAA29355@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> from "Sean Kelly" at Jul 30, 96 01:21:19 pm X-Pgp-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > A better alternative might be to write a comparison article for their > upcoming Linux issue; or just to submit FreeBSD-specific articles for > future issues. If they do an issue of security, do an article on > FreeBSD's packet filtering and firewalling. Etc. The do have a security issue. The proposal deadline was July 1st, and article submission deadline is Aug 1st. BUT, if someone could pollish one off in a few days.... maybe, just maybe they would take it??? BTW, there was an article on "Building a Linux Firewall" in the June 1996 issue. The topics were: * Reconfiguring the kernel for firewall capibilities * PPP/SLIP (if nessicary) * IP masquerading support * adding/setting up ipfw * settting firewall rules * name server configuration When I read this article, I really thought that FreeBSD should have been the box of choice. Of course that requires someone that has built a FBSD firewall to write the article... -- David (obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jul 31 07:35:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA02442 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 07:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fgate.flevel.co.uk (root@fgate.flevel.co.uk [194.6.101.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02409; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 07:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (trefor@localhost) by fgate.flevel.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA26280; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:36:57 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:36:56 +0100 (BST) From: "Trefor S." To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Accounts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If anyone is interested in accounts on FreeBSD systems take a look at this url: http://www.flevel.co.uk/services/netaccs.html Regards, Trefor S. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jul 31 09:23:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA09027 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09016 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA00465; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:22:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:22:51 -0400 From: Charles Green Message-Id: <199607311622.MAA00465@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: UNIX kernel Internals Cc: green@fang.cs.sunyit.edu Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone else attending the UNIX kernel Internals course in Las Angeles, Oct 14-18? Taught by Marshall Kirk McKusick and Michael J. Karels. They're using the 'Design and Implementation of the 4.4BSD Operating System' (Which I already baught) as the text and giving away copies of FreeBSD-Current. -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. Research & Development Rome Laboratory, NY From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jul 31 10:53:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA13222 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13191; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA02396; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:51:54 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199607311751.KAA02396@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Opinions? NT VS UNIX, NT SUCKS SOMETIMES To: craig@ProGroup.COM (Craig Shaver) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:51:54 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199607192240.PAA06649@seabass.progroup.com> from "Craig Shaver" at Jul 19, 96 03:40:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The NT's sat there and refused to run anything until > some user logged in! Apparently there is no way to have a program > automatically run unless you log in and then you have something in that > little "start" window. Nice design for a *server*! I guess if someone > uses NT for a server and the power goes down in the middle of the night, > then *someone* will have to be there to log in and start all of the server > processes. (snort, snicker, guffaw, ;^) In the registry: My Computer\ HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ SOFTWARE\ Microsoft\ Windows\ CurrentVersion\ RunServices Edit New -> String Value MyAgent "C:\path_to_my-agent.exe" Will start a program each time the NT system starts. It's a bit more flexible than editing /etc/rc* on BSD. Registering the service so that the program is not killed by the first logoff is left as an exercise for the student. 8^). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 1 13:38:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA20741 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20700 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08827; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608012036.NAA08827@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Joe Greco cc: louie@TransSys.COM (Louis A. Mamakos), dennis@etinc.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question about Cisco 2503i price In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Aug 1996 10:16:31 CDT." <199608011516.KAA25748@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 13:36:45 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For the home environment, I vote for a freebsd box with a disk. It should have : ftp mail http ip multicasting At least thats my idea of a router 8) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 1 14:25:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA00131 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00122 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09316; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608012125.OAA09316@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: scott@statsci.com cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about Cisco 2503i price In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Aug 1996 14:03:23 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 14:25:38 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For ip multicasting on freebsd : checkout http://rah.star-gate.com/~hasty/mbone.html or use netscape and do a search on MBONE. In a nutshell, I use ip multicast for global audio/video conferencing. That is I can hold a conversation with someone on Europe and / or Japan. Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 1 18:21:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA09970 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA09965 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0um8va-0008vbC; Thu, 1 Aug 96 18:21 PDT Message-Id: From: garyh@agora.rdrop.com (Gary Hanson) Subject: FreeBSD and Mersenne Primes To: kline@tera.com (Gary Kline) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608012253.PAA24608@athena.tera.com> from "Gary Kline" at Aug 1, 96 03:53:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Followups moved to chat.] > > BTW, the app is George Woltman's mersenne-prime search program, and > > it'd be nice to have some BSD systems using spare cycles to look for > > the largest prime number in the world. :-) > If we could do this, if someone could spare his system for > a few months [[ ??? ]] finding a new mersenne prime would > cause major excitement. Yup, but you don't have to dedicate a system to it; see below. > The last mersenne prime that I know of beind discovered was > done by Dave Slowinski at Cray Research in Chippewa Falls, WI. Yes, but there's another (smaller) one that's currently being verified. For full details on "The GREAT Internet Mersenne Prime Search," try: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/justforfun/prime.htm George Woltman has organized a group of people to search for Mersenne primes, and has written a very highly optimized program to do the work. Currently, over 290 people and 300 machines are searching. The core of the program is in assembler, and basically does fft's very fast. He has Pentium-optimzed versions of his program for WinNT, Win95, Win31(?) and Linux elf. The idea is to run the program in the backround, at the lowest possible priority, so that it'll only use otherwise idle cycles. I'd written to George to ask about doing a FreeBSD native port, but ran into elf-related stumbling blocks. It would be great for FreeBSD to have a native version, but neither George nor I can do that ourselves. BTW, I joined the hunt about two months ago, and my home system is currently searching using Win95. Just about the only time I ran FreeBSD at home recently was when I installed the "Special Collector's Edition" of 2.1.5 at the time of its' initial release. I'd really rather be running BSD while searching, rather than 95. :-( --Gary Hanson From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 1 23:24:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA22632 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 23:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA22627 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 23:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id IAA29485; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:22:16 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA14481; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:22:16 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA22687; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:05:59 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199608020605.IAA22687@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Mersenne Primes To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:05:59 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: kline@tera.com, garyh@agora.rdrop.com (Gary Hanson) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from Gary Hanson at "Aug 1, 96 06:21:22 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Gary Hanson wrote: > BTW, I joined the hunt about two months ago, and my home system is > currently searching using Win95. Just about the only time I ran FreeBSD > at home recently was when I installed the "Special Collector's Edition" > of 2.1.5 at the time of its' initial release. I'd really rather be running > BSD while searching, rather than 95. :-( Too bad that you are running 2.1.5. In -current, the Linux ELF binary should not be a problem at all. (Same holds for FreeBSD-ELF, btw.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 2 05:49:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA05976 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 05:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luke.pmr.com (luke.pmr.com [206.224.65.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA05963 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 05:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA11936 for freebsd-chat@freefall.cdrom.com; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:49:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Bob Willcox Message-Id: <199608021249.HAA11936@luke.pmr.com> Subject: Supping from sup.freebsd.org To: freebsd-chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Chat) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:49:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is something wrong or changed with sup.freebsd.org? The past two days my attempts at supping the cvs tree have failed. Sup times out trying to contact the server and never seems to succeed (yesterdays attempt did this for 16 hours before I finally just killed it out of mercy :-(). Thanks, -- Bob Willcox politics, n: bob@luke.pmr.com A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of Austin, TX principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. -- Ambrose Bierce From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 2 11:17:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA20573 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hod.tera.com (hod.tera.com [206.215.142.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20566 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athena.tera.com (athena.tera.com [206.215.142.62]) by hod.tera.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10055; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:17:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Kline Received: (from kline@localhost) by athena.tera.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA26428; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608021817.LAA26428@athena.tera.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Mersenne Primes To: garyh@agora.rdrop.com (Gary Hanson) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: kline@tera.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Gary Hanson at "Aug 1, 96 06:21:22 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Gary Hanson: > [Followups moved to chat.] > [[ (chat): good! ]] > > Yup, but you don't have to dedicate a system to it; see below. > > > The last mersenne prime that I know of beind discovered was > > done by Dave Slowinski at Cray Research in Chippewa Falls, WI. > > Yes, but there's another (smaller) one that's currently being verified. > > For full details on "The GREAT Internet Mersenne Prime Search," try: > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/justforfun/prime.htm I'm checking it out, thanks for the pointer. > > George Woltman has organized a group of people to search for Mersenne > primes, and has written a very highly optimized program to do the work. > Currently, over 290 people and 300 machines are searching. The core of > the program is in assembler, and basically does fft's very fast. He has > Pentium-optimzed versions of his program for WinNT, Win95, Win31(?) and > Linux elf. The idea is to run the program in the backround, at the > lowest possible priority, so that it'll only use otherwise idle cycles. > I'd written to George to ask about doing a FreeBSD native port, but ran > into elf-related stumbling blocks. It would be great for FreeBSD to have > a native version, but neither George nor I can do that ourselves. > > BTW, I joined the hunt about two months ago, and my home system is > currently searching using Win95. Just about the only time I ran FreeBSD > at home recently was when I installed the "Special Collector's Edition" > of 2.1.5 at the time of its' initial release. I'd really rather be running > BSD while searching, rather than 95. :-( > > > --Gary Hanson > This sound like great fun as well as being a good challenge for the teckkies among us. I guess it would be asking a bit much for a P5 to go up against an XMP (or whatever it was that Slowinski used). When you've finished the port, please let me know... Or the entire list. gary <><> "Fornicate and take drugs against the terrible strain of idiots who govern the world." -- Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 2 13:47:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA29612 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA29601 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0umR8E-0008vwC; Fri, 2 Aug 96 13:47 PDT Message-Id: From: garyh@agora.rdrop.com (Gary Hanson) Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Mersenne Primes To: kline@tera.com (Gary Kline) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Cc: kline@tera.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608021817.LAA26428@athena.tera.com> from "Gary Kline" at Aug 2, 96 11:17:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > This sound like great fun as well as being > a good challenge for the teckkies among us. > > I guess it would be asking a bit much for a > P5 to go up against an XMP (or whatever it was > that Slowinski used). There was some data in the first announcement that I saw about the project (or perhaps on the web site) that *in this application* 4 Pentium 133(?)s = one Cray. One of the points of the project is that a whole horde of 486es and Pentiums can do work traditionally associated with supercomputers (the RSA-129 factoring project is another example). --Gary Hanson From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 3 12:42:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04789 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 12:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04755 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 12:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id PAA17213; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 15:41:38 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 15:41:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199608031941.PAA17213@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: garyh@agora.rdrop.com CC: kline@tera.com, kline@tera.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (garyh@agora.rdrop.com) Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Mersenne Primes From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> I guess it would be asking a bit much for a P5 to go up against an >> XMP (or whatever it was that Slowinski used). > There was some data in the first announcement that I saw about the > project (or perhaps on the web site) that *in this application* 4 > Pentium 133(?)s = one Cray. Is this factoring in code optimized for a Cray? On typical mundane code, the Cray is nothing spectacular; just for code that has been vectorized. -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu The number you have reached is an imaginary number. Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again. From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 3 13:04:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA07142 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07123 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA03113; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 23:09:13 +0300 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 23:09:12 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: Joel Ray Holveck cc: garyh@agora.rdrop.com, kline@tera.com, kline@tera.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Mersenne Primes In-Reply-To: <199608031941.PAA17213@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Joel Ray Holveck wrote: > > >> I guess it would be asking a bit much for a P5 to go up against an > >> XMP (or whatever it was that Slowinski used). > > There was some data in the first announcement that I saw about the > > project (or perhaps on the web site) that *in this application* 4 > > Pentium 133(?)s = one Cray. > > Is this factoring in code optimized for a Cray? On typical mundane > code, the Cray is nothing spectacular; just for code that has been > vectorized. Perhaps it can't be vectorized? Would it actually be possible to vestorize prime searcing programs? Sander > > -- > http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu > > The number you have reached is an imaginary number. > Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again. > From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 3 13:13:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA07919 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07906 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id QAA17287; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 16:12:37 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 16:12:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199608032012.QAA17287@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee CC: garyh@agora.rdrop.com, kline@tera.com, kline@tera.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Narvi on Sat, 3 Aug 1996 23:09:12 +0300 (EET DST)) Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Mersenne Primes From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> There was some data in the first announcement that I saw about the >>> project (or perhaps on the web site) that *in this application* 4 >>> Pentium 133(?)s = one Cray. >> Is this factoring in code optimized for a Cray? On typical >> mundane code, the Cray is nothing spectacular; just for code that >> has been vectorized. > Perhaps it can't be vectorized? Would it actually be possible to > vestorize prime searcing programs? I find that with a little creativity, most number-crunching algorithms can be vectorized. I'm not going to venture to work on this particular prime-searching algorithm, esp not in FreeBSD-*, but I would think the algorithm probably could be. -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu The number you have reached is an imaginary number. Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again.