From owner-freebsd-config Mon Dec 30 03:37:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA21115 for config-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 03:37:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA21109 for freebsd-config; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 03:37:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199612301137.DAA21109@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: test teh new list To: freebsd-config Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 03:37:27 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk YANL--yet another new list -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB From owner-freebsd-config Mon Dec 30 16:32:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA02529 for config-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 16:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA02524; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 16:32:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id LAA08271; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 11:02:27 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199612310032.LAA08271@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: IPCS Utility In-Reply-To: from Ollivier Robert at "Dec 30, 96 01:42:19 pm" To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 11:02:26 +1030 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, config@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ollivier Robert stands accused of saying: > According to Michael Smith: > > Development on this is currently underway; if you're Tcl literate (or are > > willing to learn & want to take part regardless) then we'd love to have > > I hope it is not restricted to Tcl gurus... I'm afraid I don't like Tcl but > can speak Perl5 easily... I know Perl5 is not in /usr/src and Tcl is but > that should not be a problem :-) I should have been more careful with that issue : - We will be using Tcl for parts of the FCF (FreeBSD Config Facility), not least because I expect to be writing slabs of the core. - Understanding Tcl (even in a read-only capacity) will help lots, especially in the early stages of development. - I am not interested in language wars. If you want to write a module, you should be able to do it however you like, as long as you can meet the module interface rules. The planned modular design of the FCF specifically avoids stipulating any given language for modules; if you feel the need to write your module in Forth, as long as you can manage character I/O you can play. If your interpreter comes in a shared library, we'll just load you and run you in a seperate namespace. If you're run by a seperate program, we'll fork you off and talk to you on a pipe. I can see no reason for bigotry. > Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-config Mon Dec 30 20:29:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA14047 for config-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:29:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA14042; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:29:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA13397; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:29:08 -0800 (PST) To: Michael Smith cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, config@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPCS Utility In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 Dec 1996 11:02:26 +1030." <199612310032.LAA08271@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:29:08 -0800 Message-ID: <13393.852006548@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > - We will be using Tcl for parts of the FCF (FreeBSD Config Facility), not > least because I expect to be writing slabs of the core. > ... > The planned modular design of the FCF specifically avoids stipulating > any given language for modules; if you feel the need to write your > module in Forth, as long as you can manage character I/O you can play. Do we have an actual design for the FCF which goes so far as to define such a level of interface spec? It sounds like you've got something hammered out, but I'm not sure if I've seen it yet. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-config Mon Dec 30 20:40:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA14442 for config-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:40:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA14437; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:40:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id PAA09696; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:10:18 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199612310440.PAA09696@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: IPCS Utility In-Reply-To: <13393.852006548@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Dec 30, 96 08:29:08 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:10:17 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, config@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard stands accused of saying: > > - We will be using Tcl for parts of the FCF (FreeBSD Config Facility), not > > least because I expect to be writing slabs of the core. > > ... > > The planned modular design of the FCF specifically avoids stipulating > > any given language for modules; if you feel the need to write your > > module in Forth, as long as you can manage character I/O you can play. > > Do we have an actual design for the FCF which goes so far as to define > such a level of interface spec? It sounds like you've got something > hammered out, but I'm not sure if I've seen it yet. :-) Er, not in so many words, no. We have months of off-and-on discussions on the topic, and I have this large hazy model in my head which I hope to crystallise in the "config manifesto" I've been talking about. Note the cunning term "planned modular design"; ie. I plan to make the design modular. 8) > Jordan -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-config Mon Dec 30 23:03:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA18590 for config-outgoing; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 23:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA18585 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 23:03:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA22045 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 23:03:53 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-config@freebsd.org Subject: install-geeks is now freebsd-config Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 23:03:53 -0800 Message-ID: <22041.852015833@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just to note that the install-geeks alias is no more; it has fallen to disuse, was a vile alias, and largely overlaps freebsd-config now so I took the liberty of nuking it and bringing over to freebsd-config those of its members whom I felt had a good chance of being still alive/interested in installation and configuration issues. If you'd prefer not to be on this mailing list, please ask either majordomo or myself (this one time :) to remove you again. Thanks! Jordan