From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 2 00:48:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA08087 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 00:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA08082; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 00:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4Wbeta3) id QAA02246; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 16:47:40 +0900 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 16:47:40 +0900 Message-Id: <199606020747.QAA02246@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, mobile@freebsd.org, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp Subject: Re: Laptop hardware FOUND In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 2 Jun 1996 15:09:05 +0930 (CST). <199606020539.PAA26867@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199606020539.PAA26867@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au writes: >> # apmconf -e >> Unknown Original APM event 0x10 >> Unknown Original APM event 0xf >> Unknown Original APM Event 0xe >> Unknown Original APM Event 0xd According to APM 1.1 spec., event code 0x000c to 0x00ff is reserved for future extention of system events. So, this region can't be used for vendor-specific extention. 0x0200 to 0x02ff is "OEM-defined APM events". >> # zzz >> (beep, screen blanks, beep, screen comes back) >> resumed from suspended mode (slept 00:00:02) >> >> (close cover, system beeps and suspends correctly) >> (open cover, system wakes up OK) >> # apm >> (kernel traps) I want to know the result of following two tests. 1. Probe message of APM driver when you #define APM_DEBUG in apm.c 2. Result of apmconf and apm when you add "options FORCE_APM10" in your kernel config file. -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 2 00:50:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA08198 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 00:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08176; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 00:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA27031; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:41:43 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606020811.RAA27031@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Laptop hardware FOUND To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:41:42 +0930 (CST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199606020539.PAA26867@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jun 2, 96 03:09:05 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith stands accused of saying: > > APM status is unclear : the boot probe reports: I should clarify this: (wrt. Sharp PC9000) Close-the-lid snooze, and do-nothing snooze and wakeups work _perfectly_ OK, it's just running 'apm' (I thought I got it to run once, but it certainly doesn't now) that makes it unhappy. Nate, if there's anything I can help you with on the mobile- front, I'm finally in posession of something to test it on 8) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 2 01:57:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA10831 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 01:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA10808; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 01:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA27121; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:48:11 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606020918.SAA27121@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Laptop hardware FOUND To: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:48:10 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hardware@FreeBSD.org, mobile@FreeBSD.org, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <199606020747.QAA02246@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> from "HOSOKAWA Tatsumi" at Jun 2, 96 04:47:40 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk HOSOKAWA Tatsumi stands accused of saying: > > In article <199606020539.PAA26867@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> > msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au writes: > > >> # apmconf -e > >> Unknown Original APM event 0x10 > >> Unknown Original APM event 0xf > >> Unknown Original APM Event 0xe > >> Unknown Original APM Event 0xd > > According to APM 1.1 spec., event code 0x000c to 0x00ff is reserved > for future extention of system events. So, this region can't be used > for vendor-specific extention. 0x0200 to 0x02ff is "OEM-defined APM > events". ... so this means what? That Sharp are violating the APM spec with these events? > I want to know the result of following two tests. > > 1. Probe message of APM driver when you #define APM_DEBUG in apm.c apm0 on isa apm: APM BIOS version 0101 apm: Code32 0xf00f0000, Code16 0xf00f0000, Data 0xf0000400 apm: Code entry 0x0000d003, Idling CPU disabled, Management enabled apm: CS_limit=ffff, DS_limit=ffff apm: running in APM 1.0 compatible mode apm: Slow Idling CPU disabled Also various Add hook messages &c. : Add hook "system keyboard" Add hook "default suspend" Add hook "default resume" called apm_event_enable() > 2. Result of apmconf and apm when you add "options FORCE_APM10" in > your kernel config file. There's a typo in apm.c that prevents this from working initially, you've used 'kcd_apm.kdc_description' (that should be kdc_apm...) # apmconf # apmconf -e APM ioctl: cmd = 0x20005005 called apm_event_enable() Unknown Original APM Event 0x10 Unknown Original APM Event 0xf Unknown Original APM Event 0xe Unknown Original APM Event 0xd Received APM Event: PMEV_NOEVENT (...repeats at about 1 sec interval...) Note that if I say # apmconf -d # apmconf -e after this, the 'Original' events don't reappear. Also, if I have APM disabled, close the lid, open it and then enable it, the system goes into sleep mode and then comes back out again straight away. If I try this : # apm I get this : APM ioctl: cmd = 0x40185002 Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode (blah) Note that the instruction pointer doesn't appear to be in the kernel, it's 0x48:0xc43e, which I'm presuming is in the APM bios. The 'fault virtual address' is 0xfd45. Disks still sync OK, but the machine doesn't reboot cleanly (wedges during BIOS startup) Anything else I can offer? I'll have an Accton 2002 to test in the next couple of days, but I expect it'll be a painless exercise. 8) > HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 2 02:11:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA11235 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA11230; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4Wbeta3) id SAA02589; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:10:05 +0900 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:10:05 +0900 Message-Id: <199606020910.SAA02589@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org, mobile@FreeBSD.org, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp Subject: Re: Laptop hardware FOUND In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:48:10 +0930 (CST). <199606020918.SAA27121@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> ... so this means what? That Sharp are violating the APM spec with these >> events? Yes, or this APM has a bug. >> apm0 on isa >> apm: APM BIOS version 0101 >> apm: Code32 0xf00f0000, Code16 0xf00f0000, Data 0xf0000400 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Okay, Data segment points too lower address, compared to other laptops. Please add "options APM_DSVALUE_BUG" in kernel config file and recompile apm.c. -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 2 02:49:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA12432 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA12415; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA27202; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:40:51 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606021010.TAA27202@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Laptop hardware FOUND To: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:40:50 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hardware@FreeBSD.org, mobile@FreeBSD.org, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <199606020910.SAA02589@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> from "HOSOKAWA Tatsumi" at Jun 2, 96 06:10:05 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk HOSOKAWA Tatsumi stands accused of saying: > > >> ... so this means what? That Sharp are violating the APM spec with these > >> events? > > Yes, or this APM has a bug. Fair enough. > >> apm0 on isa > >> apm: APM BIOS version 0101 > >> apm: Code32 0xf00f0000, Code16 0xf00f0000, Data 0xf0000400 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Okay, Data segment points too lower address, compared to other > laptops. > > Please add "options APM_DSVALUE_BUG" in kernel config file and > recompile apm.c. Ok. Please patch your apm.c sources so that the APM_DSVALUE_BUG code uses apm_bios_work not apm_bioswork, and and M_DEVBUF not M_DEVBUG, as otherwise it won't compile 8) With APM_DEBUG, FORCE_APM10, APM_DSVALUE_BUG and APM_BROKEN_STATCLOCK, now reads 'Data 0xf084d000'. 'apm' still causes a trap 12 at 0x48:c43e with fva 0xfd45. Next? 8) > HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 2 03:42:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA13917 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 03:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA13903; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 03:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4Wbeta3) id TAA03106; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:41:23 +0900 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:41:23 +0900 Message-Id: <199606021041.TAA03106@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org, mobile@FreeBSD.org, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp Subject: Re: Laptop hardware FOUND In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:40:50 +0930 (CST). <199606021010.TAA27202@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Ok. Please patch your apm.c sources so that the APM_DSVALUE_BUG >> code uses apm_bios_work not apm_bioswork, and and M_DEVBUF not M_DEVBUG, >> as otherwise it won't compile 8) This typo has been fixed by our latest pccard package :-). >> With APM_DEBUG, FORCE_APM10, APM_DSVALUE_BUG and APM_BROKEN_STATCLOCK, >> now reads 'Data 0xf084d000'. 'apm' still causes a trap 12 at >> 0x48:c43e with fva 0xfd45. >> >> Next? 8) I have no idea :-). Trap 12 of 386 architecture is "stack fault". This probably means that intersegment call/return to APM BIOS or internal procedure of APM BIOS causes stack overflow or underflow. But I think that intersegment call/return (yes, I wrote it) is not guilty because this is machine-independent operation, and the trap happens at 0x48:c43e. 0x48 means that segment index is 0x9 and priv. level is zero. Hmm... Index 0x9???? Index 0x9 is 16bit APM API segment. 32bit API segment is 0x8. Why? Target of the APM driver is set at apm_addr in apm.c. I believe that apm_addr is set to 0x40:(sc->cs_entry) at apmattach(), but the trap happens at 0x48:xxxx??? apm_addr.segment = GSEL(GAPMCODE32_SEL, SEL_KPL); apm_addr.offset = sc->cs_entry; GAPMCODE32_SEL is 8 and SEL_KPL is 0, and GSEL is #define GSEL(s,r) (((s)<<3) | r) /* a global selector */ (in machine/segments.h) so, GSEL(GAPMCODE32_SEL, SEL_KPL) should be 0x40.... I'm confused now.... (but it should not be the problem because probe message says that the 16bit API address is same as the 32bit API address. In such case, APM is written in machine opecodes that do not changes their behavior whether CPU is in 32bit mode or 16bit mode.) -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 2 04:05:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA14815 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 04:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA14764; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 04:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA27309; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 20:55:53 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606021125.UAA27309@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: APM on Sharp PC9000 (was laptop FOUND) To: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 20:55:52 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hardware@FreeBSD.org, mobile@FreeBSD.org, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <199606021041.TAA03106@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> from "HOSOKAWA Tatsumi" at Jun 2, 96 07:41:23 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk HOSOKAWA Tatsumi stands accused of saying: > > >> Ok. Please patch your apm.c sources so that the APM_DSVALUE_BUG > >> code uses apm_bios_work not apm_bioswork, and and M_DEVBUF not M_DEVBUG, > >> as otherwise it won't compile 8) > > This typo has been fixed by our latest pccard package :-). Got your announcement just after I posted the last message. I've moved to using it for now. > >> With APM_DEBUG, FORCE_APM10, APM_DSVALUE_BUG and APM_BROKEN_STATCLOCK, > >> now reads 'Data 0xf084d000'. 'apm' still causes a trap 12 at > >> 0x48:c43e with fva 0xfd45. > >> > >> Next? 8) > > I have no idea :-). I think part of my trouble may be from using 'config -n' (puts on pointed hat) and just rebuilding 'apm.c'. I built the first kernel from your Nomad code with both FORCE_APM10 and APM_DSVALUE_BUG, and 'apm' worked, but every subsequent build, even with the same options, has failed. I'll post again when I'm _really_ sure of what works 8) Then I just need to find an X server that works. 8) > HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 2 14:53:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA13277 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 14:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kachina.jetcafe.org (kachina.jetcafe.org [206.117.70.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13267; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 14:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([127.0.0.1]) by kachina.jetcafe.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA25824; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 14:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606022153.OAA25824@kachina.jetcafe.org> X-Authentication-Warning: kachina.jetcafe.org: Host [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: DTP PM2144 cards Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 14:53:24 -0700 From: Dave Hayes Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk So I was talking to some hardware people and they said that DTP's PM2144W cards with the RC4040 disk cache were the thing you wanted for blindingly fast disk subsystems. Can anyone in this community provide any independent confirmation of these claims? "Is there support in the kernel?" ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet The original purpose of cultivating restraint is so that eventually... one will not need to have restraint. From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 2 14:53:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA13291 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 14:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kachina.jetcafe.org (kachina.jetcafe.org [206.117.70.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13274; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 14:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([127.0.0.1]) by kachina.jetcafe.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA25829; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 14:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606022153.OAA25829@kachina.jetcafe.org> X-Authentication-Warning: kachina.jetcafe.org: Host [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: DTP PM2144 cards Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 14:53:25 -0700 From: Dave Hayes Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk So I was talking to some hardware people and they said that DTP's PM2144W cards with the RC4040 disk cache were the thing you wanted for blindingly fast disk subsystems. Can anyone in this community provide any independent confirmation of these claims? "Is there support in the kernel?" ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet The original purpose of cultivating restraint is so that eventually... one will not need to have restraint. From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 2 16:52:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA19901 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 16:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19896; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 16:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA13618; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 16:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606022352.QAA13618@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Dave Hayes cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DTP PM2144 cards In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 02 Jun 96 14:53:25 -0700. <199606022153.OAA25829@kachina.jetcafe.org> Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 16:52:15 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >So I was talking to some hardware people and they said that DTP's >PM2144W cards with the RC4040 disk cache were the thing you wanted >for blindingly fast disk subsystems. >Can anyone in this community provide any independent confirmation >of these claims? "Is there support in the kernel?" Not yet. Wait and you shall receive... :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 3 03:44:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA28544 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 03:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mb.tpu.edu.ru (mb.tpu.edu.ru [194.58.182.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA28494 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 03:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kiddy@localhost) by mb.tpu.edu.ru (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA00270 for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:12:20 +0800 From: "Oleg S. Kolobov" Message-Id: <199606030512.NAA00270@mb.tpu.edu.ru> Subject: PCI,SCSI,AM53C974 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:12:20 +0800 (TSD) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Good Day! I have new PCI SCSI device (chip's AM53C974), but FreeBSD 2.1 not support this chip. What can I do ? - oleg From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 3 06:52:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA16251 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 06:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uu.elvisti.kiev.ua ([193.125.28.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA16112; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 06:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.129]) by uu.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15213; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:49:21 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id QAA09685; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:49:15 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199606031349.QAA09685@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Mystery has gone! Thanks! (How a non-obvious HW problem was solved) To: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:49:13 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606022214.AA22260@Sisyphos> from "Stefan Esser" at Jun 3, 96 00:14:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear Stefan and FreeBSD people, it seems to me that I found a REAL solution to this. See below. [... a configuration I'm talking about: ...] # } A machine, our recently built firewall gateway to Internet, # } is: # } ATC-1425B mainboard, PCI, SiS 496/7 chipset; # } 16Mb RAM; # } AMD 5x133 CPU; # } NCR 53c810 SCSI; # } 1Gb Conner CFP1060S drive (recent, good one); # } two modems on the onboard COMs (SLIP lines to the world); # } 1 Ethernet card. # } # } OS: FreeBSD-stable as of late March. # } Add-ons: IPfilter 3.0.3+ (by Darren Reed) as in-kernel IP filtering # } facility, Squid 1.0beta7 WWW proxy cache daemon. # } # } The machine was experiencing spontaneous reboots from time to time. # } Either silent reboots, or prefaced with messages from NCR driver # } (like "NCR dead?"). [... kind explanations and suggestions mostly omitted ...] # The main difference is that the 21041 is a PCI bus-master. Yes, that's why I took it out -- my first guess was that this particular MB has some breakage in PCI implementation internals, which breaks busmastering PCI devices (isn't NCR a busmaster, too, btw?) Now I see I was wrong. # There have been other motherboards that did not work correctly # with multiple PCI bus masters, but I have no idea about the SiS # chip set being broken in such a way. SiS 496/7 -based MBs are "the line of choise" for 486 boards at our site. They're generally Ok -- not as fast as ASUS SP3G (I have some experience with those, too, but they dissapeared recently from stocks); they're stable and reliable. We have some older SiS boards from SOYO, and ATC-1425B -s are from different vendor (some Taiwanese, too) and they do support AMD 5x133. Have also seen ASUS with SiS 496/7 (SP3), too -- I didn't liked them (only 2 RAM sockets, were unstable under FreeBSD, though people claims that it was due to ancient BIOS firmware). As for multiple busmasters in SiS boards... We had a 4-ether router for a while, with: NCR, 2 'lnc' AMD PCI boards, and Realtek PCI NE2000 clone. All 4 PCI slots were full. Lance ethers are busmasters, supported by ISA driver (PCI NE2000 worked with ISA 'ed' driver). CPU was AMD dx2/80 This monster was reliable and fast, but it threw couples of messages about failed DMA on lnc[01] and "NCR dead?" occasionally under peak loads. But drivers performed hardware reset, and it worked for weeks this way. Being a cautious person, I redesigned network layout recently :) when Realtek PCI NE2000 card died :-))) My experience tells me that SiS 496/7 boards are Ok, reasonably "old" and stable, but they do not enjoy overloading of their slots with peripherials. If you'll fill all ISA and PCI slots -- be ready to get spontaneous crashes and hardware troubles. (Seen this on our UUCP mail host). Having at least one ISA and one PCI slot empty is Ok. # Some systems did not work reliably with all PCI performance # options enabled (e.g. PCI Burst Mode, Write Buffers, ...), and As I was told by hardware technical guys, these problems were pretty often half a year ago; recent revisions of BIOSes (Award, AMI) are improved and the problems (kinda of?) went away. # I have seen other reports where a high interrupt load made the # kernel fail with the PC pointing into the NCR driver. But I do # not think this necessarliy points out a driver problem, since Your'e 101% right. [...] # I've been using the NCR and a DEC 21040 based Znyx 312 for some # time in my ASUS SP3G system, and never had the kind of trouble # you see. Our "approved" kind of HW setup is: SiS496/7 based board, AMD 5x133 CPU, NCR 53c810, IBM SCSI drive(s), DEC 21040-based ether, any S3 868 video, other periph. to your taste, 16+ megs of RAM. Cheap, solid and productive; I highly recommend it. # If your system currently got any performance options enabled, I'd # just try without them. Wait states added to memory and cache accesses # and PCI setup to work without burst transfers should help find a # possible hardware performance problem. The final solution which I found: SIMMs weren't of appropriate quality!!! despite they were marked as 60ns!!!! WHAT A FSCK!!!! The DRAM chips on the SIMMs are Texas Instruments, detailed chip info available upon request (in case anyone interested). ATC-1425B has "Auto configuration" option in BIOS setup. "Huh, it should be a pretty safe kind of setup, if it puts ISA to 7.159MHz!" -- I thought initially :) It was turned "on". After all kinds of fighting with PCI setup options (performance degrade -- but still crashes!) that's what I did two days ago: 1. Turned "Auto config" in BIOS "off". 2. ISA BUS clock -- put to 33MHz/4 -- it's appropriate. 3. Added a _single_ (!) wait state to the BIOS timing which manages transfers between L2 cache (btw L2 cache is 15ns on ATC-1425B board) and main DRAM, just changed it from 2 to 3. (The machine is up now, if someone needs an exact spelling of how this BIOS option is called -- ask). And -- YESS!!! the problem dissapeared! (The machine stood up bravely under flood pings and TCP shoots from 3(!) other FreeBSD boxes, and with disk activity artificially inspired -- for 48 hours non-stop, previously just 5-10 minutes of stress killed it). The box is still up now, no more problems observed. (Probably I'll try to put Lance ether into it, just for experiment -- but I simply don't want to reboot it at all, it holds our Inet connection!) Thanks to all you friends who supported me! Please take my sincere apologies for taking your time! I hope my experience will be of some use for Hardware Compatibility Guide which is now in preparation, and people will benefit a bit from it. -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." Frank's Management Rule #1. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 3 07:44:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA20007 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 07:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20002; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 07:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA12911; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:42:39 -0600 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:42:39 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199606031442.IAA12911@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Michael Smith Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org, mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Laptop hardware FOUND In-Reply-To: <199606020811.RAA27031@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> References: <199606020539.PAA26867@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> <199606020811.RAA27031@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith writes: > Michael Smith stands accused of saying: > > > > APM status is unclear : the boot probe reports: > > I should clarify this: (wrt. Sharp PC9000) > > Close-the-lid snooze, and do-nothing snooze and wakeups work _perfectly_ > OK, it's just running 'apm' (I thought I got it to run once, but it > certainly doesn't now) that makes it unhappy. > > Nate, if there's anything I can help you with on the mobile- front, I'm > finally in posession of something to test it on 8) Cool. Hosokawa already responded to the unknown event code problems, but the hang is a new one. It may be the 'WD-interrupt' bug, which I see quite often. Basically, our IDE driver is single threaded, so if you miss an interrupt it'll wait forever for it rather than timing out. Unfortunately, because of this bug it's *really* hard to debug other parts of the system since you never know which bug is triggered. Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 3 08:49:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA25409 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25386; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id KAA10561; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:33:21 -0500 Received: from novell(192.2.2.201) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma010557; Mon Jun 3 11:33:20 1996 Received: from NOVELL/SpoolDir by novell.persprog.com (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 3 Jun 96 11:31:44 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by NOVELL (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 3 Jun 96 11:31:22 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc. To: "Andrew V. Stesin" , hardware@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:31:21 EST Subject: Re: Mystery has gone! Thanks! (How a non-obvious HW problem was X-Confirm-Reading-To: "David Alderman" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-ID: Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: "Andrew V. Stesin" > Subject: Mystery has gone! Thanks! (How a non-obvious HW problem was solved) Lot's of useful stuff deleted... > I hope my experience will be of some use for Hardware > Compatibility Guide which is now in preparation, and > people will benefit a bit from it. > Is the Hardware Compatibility Guide available in draft? I would not mind proofreading it, that is, I really want to see what does and does not work and would be willing to offer corrections for the privilege! Who knows, I might be able to add some items that have worked and not worked at the University of Florida (where I still know a few people) and at home. Also, is there a place to submit known hardware incompatibities (after thrashing them out here, of course)? ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose reality. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 3 10:10:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA03128 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uu.elvisti.kiev.ua ([193.125.28.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02981; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.129]) by uu.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18840; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:09:15 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id UAA16968; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:09:15 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199606031709.UAA16968@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: Mystery has gone! Thanks! (How a non-obvious HW problem was To: dave@persprog.com (David Alderman) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:09:14 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua, hardware@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "David Alderman" at Jun 3, 96 11:31:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Dave, # Is the Hardware Compatibility Guide available in draft? Francisco Reyes was the exact person who spoke about it recently. I hope he monitors the appropriate lists. -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." Frank's Management Rule #1. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 3 10:23:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04514 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04471 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA17362 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606031722.KAA17362@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Hayes ESP Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 10:22:43 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Forgive me for asking instead of looking in the source, but I'm away from the FreeBSD box where I have the source, at the moment. Does the FreeBSD serial driver have any explicit support for the Hayes ESP card? Thanks... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 3 16:00:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA26433 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26422 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA00386; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 01:00:19 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id BAA02038; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 01:00:09 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.5/keltia-uucp-2.8) id AAA02407; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:46:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199606032246.AAA02407@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Hayes ESP To: michaelv@HeadCandy.com (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:46:41 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606031722.KAA17362@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> from "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" at "Jun 3, 96 10:22:43 am" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#2058 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com said: > Does the FreeBSD serial driver have any explicit support for the Hayes > ESP card? Yes, Bruce put patches a while ago for the ESP card. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #5: Thu May 30 23:09:17 MET DST 1996 From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 3 18:07:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA01303 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from optim.ism.net ([205.199.12.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA01294; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.58.65.35] (slip3.ism.net [206.58.65.35]) by optim.ism.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA18127; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:07:35 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:12:06 -0600 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackerss@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: russ@ism.net (Russ Pagenkopf) Subject: file size problems Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Got an odd one here (and I apologize for the cross-posting). Almost all of the files in my /stand directory have changed size to 802816 (the rest are at 456940) with a creation date of Nov 18 1995. Now knowing darn well that the system 2.1.0R was clean installed after that date :) and that I haven't done anything *that* weird (other than installing INN) does anyone have any ideas as to what might be wrong? It's a real problem when one blows a 30 meg / partition and can't get it back under 100% :-). This happened after making a tar+gzip backup of / to a jaz drive. Copying the files to other partitions, moving the files, and replacing the files with clean copies changes nothing; they stick at the same size. Other odd note that may apply here. Whenever I shut the system down (shutdown now) and then sync, upon reboot it complains that the clean flag was not set on either the / or /usr partition and fsck fixes it. If I don't do the sync, it has all kinds of kittens about things not being set right on the / partition although it appears to fix them and only has the clean flag fix problem on /usr. Interestingly enough the only thing retained in dmesg for either partition is WARNING: / was not properly dismounted Finally, I'm also running a jaz drive and it also has the same 'clean flag not set' problem. System: 2.1.0R, atlantis motherboard, buslogic scsi, ide cdrom, 2 gig drive, 32 meg ram. Before I blow this away and rebuild anyone want to take a stab at it? tia rus Russ Pagenkopf (russ@ism.net) From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 3 18:50:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03658 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03650; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA03588; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:40:53 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606040210.LAA03588@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: file size problems To: russ@ism.net (Russ Pagenkopf) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:40:52 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackerss@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Russ Pagenkopf" at Jun 2, 96 07:12:06 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Russ Pagenkopf stands accused of saying: > > Almost all of the files in my /stand directory have changed size to 802816 > (the rest are at 456940) with a creation date of Nov 18 1995. Now knowing That's normal. There are really only two files there, the rest should just be links to one of these. What does 'du /stand' tell you? > flag fix problem on /usr. Interestingly enough the only thing retained in > dmesg for either partition is > > WARNING: / was not properly dismounted Your shutdown is not happening cleanly. You may have a hardware bogon that's not resulting in the clean flag being written. > System: 2.1.0R, atlantis motherboard, buslogic scsi, ide cdrom, 2 gig > drive, 32 meg ram. > > Before I blow this away and rebuild anyone want to take a stab at it? You can just throw all of /stand away, it's not necessary. > Russ Pagenkopf (russ@ism.net) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 3 19:01:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA04261 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04230; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA03656; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:52:14 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606040222.LAA03656@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Laptop hardware FOUND To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:52:14 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199606031442.IAA12911@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Jun 3, 96 08:42:39 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams stands accused of saying: > > Cool. Hosokawa already responded to the unknown event code problems, > but the hang is a new one. It may be the 'WD-interrupt' bug, which I > see quite often. Basically, our IDE driver is single threaded, so if > you miss an interrupt it'll wait forever for it rather than timing out. ... so would adding a timeout or a missed-interrupt kicker be a good idea? (Something like the one in the 'sio' driver that catches lost serial interrupts?) > Unfortunately, because of this bug it's *really* hard to debug other > parts of the system since you never know which bug is triggered. The hang _must_ be something in the pccard code; if I eject the card before I close the lid, it suspends OK. I can reinsert it after I resume and all is well again. It's not edsuspend : static void edsuspend(struct pccard_dev *dp) { printf("ed%d: suspending\n", dp->isahd.id_unit); } ... I'm guessing that it probably has to do with powering the slot down. I need to spend some time with it when I'm not running a fever or being pressured to do Real Work. I may get a chance tonight if I can find some appropriate drugs to kill the pain. > Nate -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 3 19:43:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA06890 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06884 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA18827; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606040242.TAA18827@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Ollivier Robert cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hayes ESP In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 04 Jun 96 00:46:41 +0200. <199606032246.AAA02407@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 19:42:55 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >It seems that Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com said: >> Does the FreeBSD serial driver have any explicit support for the Hayes >> ESP card? >Yes, Bruce put patches a while ago for the ESP card. >Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr I take it they arrived after 2.1.0? I don't see them there... Were they based on the ESP mods incorporated into the NetBSD com driver, or were they developed independently? Thanks... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 3 20:23:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA09294 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA09285 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA04313; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:15:02 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199606040345.NAA04313@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Hayes ESP To: michaelv@HeadCandy.com (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:15:01 +0930 (CST) Cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606040242.TAA18827@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> from "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" at Jun 3, 96 07:42:55 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com stands accused of saying: > > > >It seems that Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com said: > >> Does the FreeBSD serial driver have any explicit support for the Hayes > >> ESP card? > > >Yes, Bruce put patches a while ago for the ESP card. > >Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr > > I take it they arrived after 2.1.0? I don't see them there... Were > they based on the ESP mods incorporated into the NetBSD com driver, or > were they developed independently? Thanks... The ESP support is in -current, but not in -stable; 'options COM_ESP' I don't know whether the changes were based on the NetBSD driver, but I suspect that they may have been. > Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 3 20:32:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA09750 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA09744 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id UAA26499; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:32:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:32:01 -0700 From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199606040332.UAA26499@kithrup.com> To: michaelv@HeadCandy.com Subject: Re: Hayes ESP Newsgroups: kithrup.freebsd.hardware In-Reply-To: <199606040242.TAA18827.kithrup.freebsd.hardware@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> References: Your message of Tue, 04 Jun 96 00:46:41 +0200. <199606032246.AAA02407@keltia.freenix.fr> Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199606040242.TAA18827.kithrup.freebsd.hardware@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> you write: >I take it they arrived after 2.1.0? I think so. (I did them for 1.1++ originally, and tried to backpatch them into 2.something, then sent 'em off to Bruce.) >I don't see them there... Were >they based on the ESP mods incorporated into the NetBSD com driver, or >were they developed independently? Thanks... They were based on the NetBSD code; I got them from the original author, John Vinopal, and worked them into FreeBSD. They seem to work; at least, my ESP card is recognized. I never did the work for the multiport versions, because I didn't understand how a multiport card was supposed to be config'd ;). I don't know how much, if any, advantage they have over a simple 16550, however. When I did the port, Bruce said he didn't think there would be much improvement, if any, so... Sean. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 3 20:38:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10482 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10445 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA19022; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606040337.UAA19022@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Sean Eric Fagan cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hayes ESP In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 03 Jun 96 20:32:01 -0700. <199606040332.UAA26499@kithrup.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 20:37:56 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>I don't see them there... Were >>they based on the ESP mods incorporated into the NetBSD com driver, or >>were they developed independently? Thanks... >They were based on the NetBSD code; I got them from the original author, >John Vinopal, and worked them into FreeBSD. Good deal. I've been using the NetBSD version for several months with no problems. Not to mention that I contributed some improved probe logic back into John's port, which hopefully you picked up too. (If not, I'll see if I can figure out how to fit it into FreeBSD's driver.) >I don't know how much, if any, advantage they have over a simple 16550, >however. When I did the port, Bruce said he didn't think there would be >much improvement, if any, so... Well, I have no hard figures. I did have it record maximum received characters in each input loop, and I don't think it ever got over 35. But, that's 19 more than a 16550 can handle (didn't happen often, though). On the other hand, where I want to use this is on a slooow 386 dial-in server with an IDE drive. I expect to get much enhanced performance out of the ESP card there. :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 3 21:03:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA11899 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA11882; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id VAA03905 ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:03:16 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA16218; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:00:23 -0600 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:00:23 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199606040400.WAA16218@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Michael Smith Cc: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams), hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Laptop hardware FOUND In-Reply-To: <199606040222.LAA03656@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> References: <199606031442.IAA12911@rocky.sri.MT.net> <199606040222.LAA03656@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The hang _must_ be something in the pccard code; if I eject the card before > I close the lid, it suspends OK. I can reinsert it after I resume and > all is well again. > > It's not edsuspend : > > static void > edsuspend(struct pccard_dev *dp) > { > printf("ed%d: suspending\n", dp->isahd.id_unit); > } > > ... I'm guessing that it probably has to do with powering the slot down. I > need to spend some time with it when I'm not running a fever or being > pressured to do Real Work. I may get a chance tonight if I can find some > appropriate drugs to kill the pain. Someone just posted a patch on Usenet regarding the pccardd driver, but it causes a core dump, not a hang. If you could send me a traceback of the offending process it'd sure help me out. Unfortunately, my laptop hacking time has been NIL the past 2 months, which is why I haven't done any more of the integration. I've been on travel most of the time, and I'm leaving again this week after being away for 2 weeks or I'd have more time to look at this stuff. Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 3 23:05:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA18719 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA18714 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00689; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 08:05:20 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id IAA09235; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 08:04:58 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.Alpha.4/keltia-uucp-2.8) id HAA27734; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 07:44:51 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199606040544.HAA27734@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Hayes ESP To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 07:44:51 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: michaelv@HeadCandy.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606040345.NAA04313@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from Michael Smith at "Jun 4, 96 01:15:01 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#2073 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Michael Smith said: > The ESP support is in -current, but not in -stable; 'options COM_ESP' > > I don't know whether the changes were based on the NetBSD driver, > but I suspect that they may have been. Here is the log entry for it ---------------------------- revision 1.131 date: 1995/12/29 12:50:54; author: bde; state: Exp; lines: +120 -1 Added support for the Hayes ESP serial card. Submitted by: Sean Eric Fagan (sef@kithrup.com) Based on code by John Vinopal (banshee@resort.com) Cosmetic (I hope) changes by me (bde). ---------------------------- -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #6: Tue Jun 4 00:25:26 MET DST 1996 From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 4 09:40:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA23998 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23993 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0uR0CM-000x2pC; Tue, 4 Jun 96 10:47 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA833906331; Tue, 04 Jun 96 10:34:01 PST Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 10:34:01 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9605048339.AA833906331@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Hayes ESP Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does the FreeBSD serial driver have any explicit support for the Hayes > ESP card? I'd be interested in knowing this as well. There are actually TWO such cards -- the "old" ESP and the current one. And Multi-Tech has a similar card. I believe all three have DMA modes. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 4 09:56:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA25360 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25355 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA08708; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 02:55:54 +1000 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 02:55:54 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199606041655.CAA08708@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: michaelv@HeadCandy.com, sef@kithrup.com Subject: Re: Hayes ESP Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>I don't know how much, if any, advantage they have over a simple 16550, >>however. When I did the port, Bruce said he didn't think there would be >>much improvement, if any, so... >Well, I have no hard figures. I did have it record maximum received >characters in each input loop, and I don't think it ever got over 35. >But, that's 19 more than a 16550 can handle (didn't happen often, >though). >On the other hand, where I want to use this is on a slooow 386 dial-in >server with an IDE drive. I expect to get much enhanced performance >out of the ESP card there. :-) You should only get a small improvement. 386 slowness is mostly in integer instructions, but tty driver slowness is mostly in the ISA bus interface and in interrupt entry and exit. The ISA bus speed is independent of the CPU. Interrupt entry and exit speed depends mainly on the memory speed so it is relatively small (although numerically large) on slow 386's. Estimate of actual improvement: The serial interrupt overhead for a 386/20 is approx. 30 us. At 115200 bps input only through a 16550, there are approx. 115200/14 = 822 interrupt/sec = 24660 us/s = 2.5% overhead. Through a Hayes ESP with 35 characters received per interrupt, the corresponding overhead is 1%. Through a Hayes ESP with 1024 characters received per interrupt, the corresponding overhead is 0.3%. This is the variable part of the overhead. I don't know the fixed parts exactly, but they are much larger. I guess they are about 25% for raw mode and 200% (i.e., doesn't work for cooked mode). Here are some actual overheads: /* * Results for serial overheads (in %). * All for a single line in raw mode at 115200 bps. * machine uart O/S read write r+w comments x 486/66 16550 FreeBSD-1.1R++ 5.6 2.9 8.9 ++ = changes, x = old better * FreeBSD-2.2D 6.3 2.9 9.6 D = development * (cat) 6.7 2.9 10.2 thru=11.25K/s * (cslip) 6.7 3.6 ping=17ms, thru=10.78K/s * (ppp) 9.1 4.3 ping=26ms, thru=10.74K/s * (pppu) 11.3 6.6 ping=21ms, thru=10.80K/s * (zmodem) 11.4 5.8 thru=10.73K/s * linux-1.1.12nti 6.6 2.8 8.9 nti = new-tty new-isr * FreeBSD-2.1Dp 6.6 3.1 9.9 p = prof * (ppp) 9.9 5.9 * (pppu) 13.7 9.1 y cd1400 FreeBSD-2.1Dp 5.9 3.3 9.0 y = a little old * linux-1.2.0 29.0 4.7 29.5 y FreeBSD-2.1Db 29.7 6.9S 38.6S b = cyb driver, S = slow w y (cslip) 9 7 ping=36ms y (ppp) 11 7 ping=45ms y FreeBSD-2.1Dpb 34.5 7.6S 44.5S * 16450 FreeBSD-2.1D 16.0 12.4 27.5 * (cslip) 17 15 ping=16.5ms * (ppp) 19 14 ping=25.5ms * FreeBSD-2.1Dp 19.7 14.4 32.6 * (cslip) 18 16 ping=16ms * (ppp) 20 16 ping=25ms * linux-1.1.12nti 23.1 19.1 35.7 * linux-1.2.0 23.9 19.8 37.3 *483/33 cd1400 FreeBSD-2.1D 5.9 3.1 9.7 * (cslip) 9 5 ping=17ms * (ppp) 13 6 ping=26ms * FreeBSD-2.1Dp 6.8 3.2 10.7 * 16550 FreeBSD-1.1B++ 8.1 4.0 11.6 * linux-0.99.14+ 27.0 9.3 34.8 * 16450 FreeBSD-2.2D 19.5 15.3 33.3 * (cat) 20.3 15.6 34.0 thru=11.21K/s * (cslip) 21.5 16.7 ping=17ms, thru=10.77K/s * (ppp) 26.2 18.2 ping=26ms, thru=10.72K/s * (pppu) 28.6 21.7 ping=21ms, thru=10.79K/s * (zmodem) 27.6 19.2 thru=10.69K/s * FreeBSD-2.1Dp 23.8 19.2 39.5 * (ppp) 30.6 24.4 * (pppu) 35.3 29.1 * linux-1.2.0 29.4 25.1 44.6 * 386/20 16450 FreeBSD-1.1B++ 52.4 42.0 71.8 * 486/33 16450 FreeBSD-2.2D 63.4 51.0 85.3 non-turbo - 5-10 x slower */ Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 4 10:08:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26004 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25949 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA22687; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606041706.KAA22687@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Brett Glass" cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hayes ESP In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 04 Jun 96 10:34:01 -0800. <9605048339.AA833906331@ccgate.infoworld.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 10:06:03 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Does the FreeBSD serial driver have any explicit support for the Hayes >> ESP card? >I'd be interested in knowing this as well. There are actually TWO such >cards -- the "old" ESP and the current one. And Multi-Tech has a similar >card. I believe all three have DMA modes. If the FreeBSD driver is truly patterned after the NetBSD driver, which I believe it is, then the version 1 cards are ignored, and treated as standard 16550s, if I remember right. The version 1 cards were really pretty bogus from what I understand -- they would only support speeds up to 57600, and had some other weird limitations. All the Hayes ESP cards I have personally seen are version 2, including both of the cards I own. Practical Peripherals also makes a similar card -- I believe theirs may actually be an ESP repackaged, or at least have a Hayes chip on them (merely educated guesses -- I've never actually seen the PP card). So, the answer is: I know the NetBSD driver works since I've used it for months. Someone else claimed the FreeBSD driver works with his ESP just fine. Mine are version 2, and I assume his are as well. I haven't heard of anyone actually running either of these drivers on a non-Hayes "ESP-like" card, so I can't vouch for how well they'd work. At worst, they'd just get treated like a normal 16550. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... 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If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 4 14:22:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA14845 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magigimmix.xs4all.nl (magigimmix.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14830 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asterix.xs4all.nl (asterix.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.11]) by magigimmix.xs4all.nl (8.7.5/XS4ALL) with ESMTP id XAA06629 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 23:22:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from plm.xs4all.nl (uucp@localhost) by asterix.xs4all.nl (8.7.5/8.7.2) with UUCP id XAA12366 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 23:12:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from plm@localhost) by plm.xs4all.nl (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA09146; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:30:18 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:30:18 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199606041630.SAA09146@plm.xs4all.nl> From: Peter Mutsaers To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Which alternative for Adaptec 2940 SCSI interface? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I need a PCI SCSI interface. The Adaptec 2940 is more or less standard, but damned expensive. I read there is the NCR 53C810 as a cheap and even better alternative. I'd like to ask if this is true, and if there are other cheaper interfaces that perform as well (under FreeBSD) as the 2940. Thanks in advance, -- ______________________________________________________________________ Peter Mutsaers | Abcoude (Utrecht), | "Quod licet bovis, plm@xs4all.nl | the Netherlands | non licet Jovi." From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 4 14:40:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA16637 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16616 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA23728; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606042140.OAA23728@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Peter Mutsaers cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which alternative for Adaptec 2940 SCSI interface? In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 04 Jun 96 18:30:18 +0200. <199606041630.SAA09146@plm.xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 14:40:09 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I need a PCI SCSI interface. The Adaptec 2940 is more or less >standard, but damned expensive. For the most part, with SCSI controllers, you get what you pay for. The other widely used alternative, the BusLogic BT94x and BT95x controllers, are in the same price range. On the other hand, that high price gets you a very high performance bus-master controller. >I read there is the NCR 53C810 as a cheap and even better >alternative. This seems to be the one exception to the above rule. The NCR 53c8xx controllers are good performance for a very good price. >I'd like to ask if this is true, and if there are other cheaper >interfaces that perform as well (under FreeBSD) as the 2940. The only one that would be considered "in the same leage" would be the NCR controllers mentioned above. There is one other that people mention, "Advsys", or something like that, that is in a similar price range to the Adaptec and BusLogic, that is supposed to be "Adaptec compatible". All other "cheaper" controllers are going to be in a whole lower class (if they work at all). FWIW, don't even bother with ISA controllers if you're at all interested in decent performance. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 4 18:55:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA01540 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA01531 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0uR8rn-000wvnC; Tue, 4 Jun 96 20:02 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA833939625; Tue, 04 Jun 96 18:47:04 PST Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 18:47:04 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9605048339.AA833939625@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hayes ESP Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The version 1 cards were really pretty bogus from what I understand -- > they would only support speeds up to 57600, and had some other weird > limitations. Don't know about any speed limitations, but we have one at LARIAT that's working fabulously under FreeBSD. We configure our serial ports at 38.4 to provide a little breathing room, and with at least 1K of buffering on each port, it's unloading the system. The automated RTS/CTS handshaking is a boon. > All the Hayes ESP cards I have personally seen are version 2, > including both of the cards I own. Is this the one with the Bizcom UART on it? As for the Multi-Tech card: it has one port that can look like a standard UART, but the other MUST use DMA. This means it must have a driver. Good card, and not expensive; it'd be nice to see it supported. --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 4 21:55:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA27497 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seine.cs.UMD.EDU (seine.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.59]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27492 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by seine.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24622; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 00:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 00:55:29 -0400 (EDT) From: rohit@cs.UMD.EDU (Rohit Dube) Message-Id: <199606050455.AAA24622@seine.cs.UMD.EDU> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: H/W recommendation Cc: rohit@cs.UMD.EDU Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am trying to put together a FreeBSD system under $4000 and was wondering if some of you could help me out with h/w recommendations which work with stock FreeBSD. I need a PCI machine with a) Pentium 120 - 166 Mhz and parity memory (motherboard) b) SCSI-II controller c) 2GB SCSI disk d) 4 - 6X SCSI CD-ROM e) 32 MB RAM f) High quality video card 2 - 4 MB RAM g) 17 - 20 in. display h) 100BaseT ethernet card Would any of you know a base machine (of-the-shelf) which came with parity memory? Thanks much in advance. --rohit. (rohit@cs.umd.edu) PS: I would appreciate recommendations for a 4/8GB DAT Tape drive for ~$700 and a 600 dpi medium duty postscript laser printer for ~$1000. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 4 22:40:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA05930 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05923 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA25402; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606050539.WAA25402@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Brett Glass" cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hayes ESP In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 04 Jun 96 18:47:04 -0800. <9605048339.AA833939625@ccgate.infoworld.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 22:39:31 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> The version 1 cards were really pretty bogus from what I understand -- >> they would only support speeds up to 57600, and had some other weird >> limitations. >Don't know about any speed limitations, but we have one at LARIAT that's >working fabulously under FreeBSD. We configure our serial ports at 38.4 to >provide a little breathing room, and with at least 1K of buffering on each >port, it's unloading the system. The automated RTS/CTS handshaking is a >boon. Oh, I remember the other thing... The version 1 cards had gross specific demands on how fast you could send data to the advanced programming registers. You had to spin and wait on a status register when writing to or reading from those registers -- if you shoved stuff in too fast, I believe it got unhappy. From what I understand, the version 2 cards don't display this "feature". It's been over a year since I studied this stuff, so apologies if my details are a little sketchy... >> All the Hayes ESP cards I have personally seen are version 2, >> including both of the cards I own. >Is this the one with the Bizcom UART on it? I have no idea. I don't remember seeing anything saying Bizcom, and the "main" chip has a Hayes logo on it. But, it's been several weeks since I've actually looked at the card.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 4 23:00:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA08754 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 23:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA08720 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 23:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA25496; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 23:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606050600.XAA25496@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: rohit@cs.umd.edu (Rohit Dube) cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: H/W recommendation In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 05 Jun 96 00:55:29 -0400. <199606050455.AAA24622@seine.cs.UMD.EDU> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 23:00:03 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I need a PCI machine with >a) Pentium 120 - 166 Mhz and parity memory (motherboard) Get a 133 or a 166 (your memory bus will run ~66MHz, and PCI ~33MHz). Don't buy a 120 or 150, because your memory bus will only run 60MHz, and your PCI 30MHz. ASUS is the most recommended motherboard manufacturer, and my ASUS board works great. There are others. Stay away from no-name foreign specials. I've been told to avoid Intel-brand boards, as well. >b) SCSI-II controller NCR 53c8xx, Adaptec 29xx, BusLogic BT9[45][68] are all very good controllers that work with *BSD. ASUS has a very inexpensive NCR (Symbios) 53c810-based board that you can buy with their motherboards. >c) 2GB SCSI disk Take your pick. I'd be wary of Seagate. >d) 4 - 6X SCSI CD-ROM Ditto. Just make sure it's SCSI. >e) 32 MB RAM You may not be able to find EDO RAM with parity right away (or at least it might be very difficult). The Triton (1) didn't support parity, and was the only motherboard chipset that supported EDO, so all EDO memory prior to Triton 2 was non-parity. Still, it would be worth pursuing... >f) High quality video card 2 - 4 MB RAM Take your pick. Just get something that is supposed to work with XFree86. You need to consult them for the recommended list: http://www.xfree86.org >g) 17 - 20 in. display I like my Mag MXP17F (one of their higher-end monitors), but there are lots of decent ones these days. Can't go wrong with Sony, though you may pay more... NECs are good workhorses, but their specs are middle of the line... >h) 100BaseT ethernet card Anything based on the DEC 21140(?) chip. I've heard the SMC EtherPower cards are good... >Would any of you know a base machine (of-the-shelf) which came with parity >memory? I don't buy machines "off the shelf". I buy parts. :-) "Computer Shopper" magazine is your friend... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 5 07:27:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA04033 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 07:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA04011 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 07:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0uRKbU-000wyHC; Wed, 5 Jun 96 08:34 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA833984724; Wed, 05 Jun 96 08:19:08 PST Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 08:19:08 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9605058339.AA833984724@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.ORG Subject: Re: Hayes ESP Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Oh, I remember the other thing... The version 1 cards had gross > specific demands on how fast you could send data to the advanced > programming registers. This is probably because they were handled by an 8031 microcontroller, which can only handle requests so fast if it's to keep up with incoming data. As I recall, the waits were only required during the setup phase and not thereafter. In any event, is the code in -current for the "old" ESP (which I have) or the new ESP (or ESP-II)? --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 5 07:57:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA06021 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 07:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-133.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.133]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06012; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 07:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA09313; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 23:16:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199606042116.XAA09313@vector.jhs.no_domain> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.jhs.no_domain: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: russ@ism.net (Russ Pagenkopf) cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: file size problems From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany Phone: +49.89.268616 Fax: +49.89.2608126 (later) Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH version 1.6.5 95 12 11, PGP available In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Jun 1996 19:12:06 MDT." Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 23:16:23 +0200 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Reference: > From: russ@ism.net (Russ Pagenkopf) > Subject: Re: file size problems > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:12:06 -0600 > Message-id: > > Got an odd one here (and I apologize for the cross-posting). > > jaz drive. A friend of a friend says a dealer here gets half those jaz drives returned. Maybe its not returning to the OS, the same data the OS is writing. Grab my testblock.c from http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/src/ To see if the JAZ data really is reliable. Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 5 09:47:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA14253 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 09:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14245 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 09:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA28897; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 09:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606051646.JAA28897@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Brett Glass" cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hayes ESP In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 05 Jun 96 08:19:08 -0800. <9605058339.AA833984724@ccgate.infoworld.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 09:46:07 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Oh, I remember the other thing... The version 1 cards had gross >> specific demands on how fast you could send data to the advanced >> programming registers. >This is probably because they were handled by an 8031 microcontroller, >which can only handle requests so fast if it's to keep up with incoming >data. As I recall, the waits were only required during the setup phase >and not thereafter. >In any event, is the code in -current for the "old" ESP (which I have) or >the new ESP (or ESP-II)? As I said, I believe the ESP v1 cards are not treated as "ESP" ports by the driver, and are handled as standard 16550 ports. That's just from reading the code. I don't know of anyone who has actually tried that code on a version 1 card, so you might be the one who needs to tell us. :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 6 00:51:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA09032 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 00:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from facm.ucsb.edu (facm.ucsb.edu [128.111.142.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA09027; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 00:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 128.111.142.230 ([128.111.142.230]) by facm.ucsb.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA23151; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 00:57:48 -0700 Message-ID: <31B68E59.391E@facm.ucsb.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 00:52:57 -0700 From: "N.Villacorta" Reply-To: fm00vill@facm.ucsb.edu Organization: facm.ucsb.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org CC: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, fm00vill@facm.ucsb.edu Subject: Which dual Pentium motherboard? Cyrix SMP? X-URL: http://freebsd.org/support.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In anticipation of the SMP FreeBSD, which of the following motherboards would you recommend for a dual Pentium System (all support PARITY & ECC; and have the revised Triton-II chipset: a) AMI Titan-III (EISA/PCI) (AMI Bios) b) TYAN Tomcat-II (ISA/PCI) (Award Bios) c) TYAN Tempest-II (EISA/PCI) (Award Bios) I've heard that mixing EISA/PCI can be a "headache"? Also, anyone know about the Cyrix 6x86 compatibility? I've heard that the Cyrix 6x86 does *NOT* support SMP? I'm not subscribed to the list so please respond to "fm00vill@facm.ucsb.edu" and I will summarize the responses and post. TIA, :-) neil University of California, Santa Barbara From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 6 10:48:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA21170 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21135; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA05935; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606061748.KAA05935@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: fm00vill@facm.ucsb.edu cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which dual Pentium motherboard? Cyrix SMP? In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 06 Jun 96 00:52:57 -0700. <31B68E59.391E@facm.ucsb.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 10:48:26 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I've heard that mixing EISA/PCI can be a "headache"? Actually, EISA and PCI are a very naturual mix, since they are similar in a lot of ways. The only problem with it is they charge waaay too much money for it. I've heard the thing to avoid is PCI+VLB, not EISA. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 7 05:21:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA11086 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 05:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zyqad.co.uk (zyqad.demon.co.uk [158.152.135.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA10930; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 05:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by zyqad.co.uk; (5.65/1.1.8.2/21Apr95-0317PM) id AA01656; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:45:59 +0100 Message-Id: <9606071145.AA01656@zyqad.co.uk> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Hitachi ATAPI CD-ROM + big disks Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 12:45:58 +0100 From: "John Richards" X-Mts: smtp Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear all, QUESTION 1 I have just got a Hitachi ATAPI CD-rom - on trial - if it doesn't work I can always return it and get a Mitsumi, but the Hitachi is cheap. I tried last night to install 2.1 from the CD-ROM. The CD is attached to a PINE EIDE controller on the secondary side as a slave device. I have two Western Digital disks on the Primary side. It wouldn't go directly from DOS and I suspect too many TSRs etc so I tried the atapi.flp approach. During the boot from the floppy I get the wdc0 finds which finds both the disks and is quite happy but although it finds wdc1 it does not report anything on this device. wdc1 at 0x170-??? irq 15 on isa ^^^ - I forget the number here but it seemed OK. So when I get as far as selecting the device to install from sysinstall says it can't find the CD. I've looked at freebsd.org and a search threw up a couple of ideas 1. Try the CD as slave on the primary side. 2. Try inst_ide.bat Is there anything else I should try? before returning the CD as unusable and paying out more money. I'm sorry but SCSI is not an option due to cost. QUESTION 2 Later today I should be taking delivery of a 1.2 Gb Western Digital IDE drive which I intend to devote entirely to FreeBSD. Currently I have : wd0: WD 200 Mb drive shared between DOS & FreeBSD 1.1.5.1R wd1: WD 250 Mb drive main FreeBSD 1.1.5.1R disk has / & /usr & swap. I want to reorganise the disks such that the 200Mb drive is wholly DOS/Windoze, the new 1.2 Gb disk is the main FreeBSD 2.1 disk / & /usr & swap, and the 250 Mb disk is FreeBSD working files etc. Does the 1.2 Gb disk have to be on the primary IDE controller for Boot Manager to see it? Can FreeBSD see any disks on the secondary IDE controller? Other suggestions, ideas welcomed. FINALLY A big thank you to the FreeBSD team for the hard work they put into 2.1. The sysinstall program is 200%+ better than the hassle involved in 1.1.5.1. Keep up the good work. Bye John (Play Violin & Ride Bike - but not at the same time) ******************************************************************************** John Richards * email : john@zyqad.co.uk Zyqad Ltd, * Suite 25, GPT Business Park, * Technology Drive, Beeston * tel : +44 115 922 0820 NOTTINGHAM. NG9 2ND. * fax : +44 115 967 8374 ******************************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 7 07:34:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA18866 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 07:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18853; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 07:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id JAA14090; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:24:37 -0500 Received: from novell(192.2.2.201) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma014088; Fri Jun 7 10:24:18 1996 Received: from NOVELL/SpoolDir by novell.persprog.com (Mercury 1.12); Fri, 7 Jun 96 10:20:40 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by NOVELL (Mercury 1.12); Fri, 7 Jun 96 10:20:17 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc. To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" , questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:20:10 EST Subject: Re: Which dual Pentium motherboard? Cyrix SMP? CC: GEORGE@novell.persprog.com, RDR@novell.persprog.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-ID: <26C84A7DC0@novell.persprog.com> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >I've heard that mixing EISA/PCI can be a "headache"? > > Actually, EISA and PCI are a very naturual mix, since they are similar > in a lot of ways. The only problem with it is they charge waaay too > much money for it. > > I've heard the thing to avoid is PCI+VLB, not EISA. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com > EISA/PCI is fine, unless your floppy contoller is on an EISA card. We recently migrated an old EISA 486/66 to a newer Pentium motherboard. Because of availability problems (and this was an emergency) we obtained an ASUS Neptune-based EISA/PCI board rather than their new Triton-2 board. Unfortunately, the floppy contoller was part of the EISA SCSI card and despite carefully pre-building an EISA boot disk with the necessary config files from both the new motherboard and the old peripherals. The machine refused to recognize the floppy on the EISA card. Putting in an ISA floppy controller to run the config solved the problem. The system administrator and her assistant took 20+ hours to do the upgrade (there was also a hard disk replacement involved with a backup and restore). Moral of the story: EISA/PCI is fine as long as the floppy controller is on the motherboard. Does anybody know the cost of the new ASUS PCI/EISA board? ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose reality. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 7 10:56:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA06251 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06244; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id SAA00851; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:42:50 +0100 (BST) To: David Alderman cc: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Which dual Pentium motherboard? Cyrix SMP? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Jun 1996 10:20:10 EST." <26C84A7DC0@novell.persprog.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 18:42:49 +0100 Message-ID: <848.834169369@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Alderman wrote in message ID <26C84A7DC0@novell.persprog.com>: > Moral of the story: EISA/PCI is fine as long as the floppy controller is > on the motherboard. Umm. You must have had a weird card. The Adaptec 1742 (for example) has onboard floppy, is an EISA card, and works under FreeBSD. As I understand it, the floppy has to appear at a certain location in the BIOS space for it to be seen, and I have yet to hear of a on-board BIOS specifically for floppy controllers! Of course, the fact it's sat on an EISA bus may make a difference, I'm not sure... So it's not a generic ``you can't use a floppy drive controlled from an EISA card'', it must have been something specific to the card you were using. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 7 11:23:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA07723 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07694; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com ([199.238.225.168]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA29263 ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:23:23 -0700 Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA12249; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606071808.LAA12249@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Gary Palmer cc: David Alderman , questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which dual Pentium motherboard? Cyrix SMP? In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 07 Jun 96 18:42:49 +0100. <848.834169369@palmer.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 11:08:34 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >David Alderman wrote in message ID ><26C84A7DC0@novell.persprog.com>: >> Moral of the story: EISA/PCI is fine as long as the floppy controller is >> on the motherboard. >Umm. You must have had a weird card. The Adaptec 1742 (for example) >has onboard floppy, is an EISA card, and works under FreeBSD. As I The floppy on my BusLogic BT747s also works great under NetBSD on my 486-based EISA system. Are you specifically saying that something specific to a PCI/EISA bus breaks EISA-based floppy controllers? Because, I haven't seen any problems in a strictly EISA system. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 7 12:42:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA15160 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA15151; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA11811; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:42:02 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199606071942.MAA11811@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Which dual Pentium motherboard? Cyrix SMP? To: michaelv@HeadCandy.com (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG, dave@persprog.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199606071808.LAA12249@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> from "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" at "Jun 7, 96 11:08:34 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >David Alderman wrote in message ID > ><26C84A7DC0@novell.persprog.com>: > >> Moral of the story: EISA/PCI is fine as long as the floppy controller is > >> on the motherboard. > > >Umm. You must have had a weird card. The Adaptec 1742 (for example) > >has onboard floppy, is an EISA card, and works under FreeBSD. As I > > The floppy on my BusLogic BT747s also works great under NetBSD on my > 486-based EISA system. Are you specifically saying that something > specific to a PCI/EISA bus breaks EISA-based floppy controllers? > Because, I haven't seen any problems in a strictly EISA system. The problem is that if you take a brand new EISA motherboard out of the box, plug a 1742 or BT747 or any other EISA card with the floppy controller on it you can not boot from the floppy since the EISA card containing the controller has not been configured into the EISA conf structures, and thus by default the board will be disabled until you configure it. Catch 22, can't boot from the floppy controller on an EISA card to configure it. This is a very annoying problem with EISA cards that happen to also be your floppy controller card. It also rares it's ugly head even once you get it configured if the EISA config in NVRAM gets lost or corrupt, or if you move cards, etc, etc... -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 7 12:54:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA16089 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:54:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16082; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA12779; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606071950.MAA12779@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: gpalmer@freebsd.org, dave@persprog.com, questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which dual Pentium motherboard? Cyrix SMP? In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 07 Jun 96 12:42:02 -0700. <199606071942.MAA11811@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 12:50:10 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >David Alderman wrote in message ID >> ><26C84A7DC0@novell.persprog.com>: >> >> Moral of the story: EISA/PCI is fine as long as the floppy controller is >> >> on the motherboard. >> >Umm. You must have had a weird card. The Adaptec 1742 (for example) >> >has onboard floppy, is an EISA card, and works under FreeBSD. As I >> The floppy on my BusLogic BT747s also works great under NetBSD on my >> 486-based EISA system. Are you specifically saying that something >> specific to a PCI/EISA bus breaks EISA-based floppy controllers? >> Because, I haven't seen any problems in a strictly EISA system. >The problem is that if you take a brand new EISA motherboard out of the >box, plug a 1742 or BT747 or any other EISA card with the floppy controller >on it you can not boot from the floppy since the EISA card containing the >controller has not been configured into the EISA conf structures, and thus >by default the board will be disabled until you configure it. Ah, not true! :-) At least in the case of the BusLogic cards... There is a jumper at the top of the card that will enable the card's floppy controller even if it isn't "configured" yet. Normally, you'd leave this jumper off and just configure the thing in the EISA config utility. But if you're in the situation you just described, you can short that jumper and the floppy controller will work, regardless. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 7 13:27:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA18687 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18671; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id PAA24698; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:17:35 -0500 Received: from novell(192.2.2.201) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma024696; Fri Jun 7 16:17:27 1996 Received: from NOVELL/SpoolDir by novell.persprog.com (Mercury 1.12); Fri, 7 Jun 96 16:13:50 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by NOVELL (Mercury 1.12); Fri, 7 Jun 96 16:13:21 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc. To: "Gary Palmer" , "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:13:15 EST Subject: Re: Which dual Pentium motherboard? Cyrix SMP? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-ID: <2CAAD067AC@novell.persprog.com> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary Palmer replied: > David Alderman wrote in message ID > <26C84A7DC0@novell.persprog.com>: > > Moral of the story: EISA/PCI is fine as long as the floppy controller is > > on the motherboard. > > Umm. You must have had a weird card. The Adaptec 1742 (for example) > has onboard floppy, is an EISA card, and works under FreeBSD. As I > understand it, the floppy has to appear at a certain location in the > BIOS space for it to be seen, and I have yet to hear of a on-board > BIOS specifically for floppy controllers! Of course, the fact it's sat > on an EISA bus may make a difference, I'm not sure... > > So it's not a generic ``you can't use a floppy drive controlled from > an EISA card'', it must have been something specific to the card you > were using. > We were using an Adaptec EISA SCSI card (a 1742 I believe). The problem seemed to come from the fact that this was an EISA to EISA upgrade (rather than a new installation) and the motherboard was not defaulting the floppy. I don't know enough about EISA to know where the configuration is stored (motherboard, card, or both) but I do know that the new motherboard would not recognize the floppy controller properly initially. They stuck in a generic ISA floppy controller to get things going. I think an EISA/PCI motherboard is fine, but because of that configuration floppy it is not hassle-free. Of course, it could have been some BIOS setting that was the real problem or it could have been "operator error". I suspect that if you were installing the cards "cold" in a new installation there would have been no problem. Also, I think the newer ASUS EISA/PCI has the floppy on the motherboard which should eliminate the problem. Then again, let's say you have a floppy controller on the motherboard and a floppy controller on your EISA SCSI controller. How do you run the EISA config to turn off the floppy on the SCSI controller? I left the system administrator a detailed upgrade procedure that I thought was foolproof, but of course I was the fool for thinking that! ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose reality. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 7 15:07:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA27420 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jparnas.cybercom.net (jparnas.cybercom.net [205.198.82.58]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27214; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.cybercom.net (localhost.cybercom.net [127.0.0.1]) by jparnas.cybercom.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id SAA28200; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:02:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199606072202.SAA28200@jparnas.cybercom.net> X-Authentication-Warning: jparnas.cybercom.net: Host localhost.cybercom.net didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: michaelv@headcandy.com (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com), gpalmer@freebsd.org, dave@persprog.com, questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-External-Networks: yes Subject: Re: Which dual Pentium motherboard? Cyrix SMP? In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 07 Jun 1996 12:42:02 PDT. <199606071942.MAA11811@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 18:02:51 -0400 From: "Jacob M. Parnas" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199606071942.MAA11811@GndRsh.aac.dev.com>you write: >> >> >David Alderman wrote in message ID >> ><26C84A7DC0@novell.persprog.com>: I found the best motherboard for dual pentium pros is a new one from SuperMicro. It can be had for just $875 from Micro Assist. It has 8 SIMM 72 pin modules and 4 PCI and 4 ISA cards. Its model number is MBP6DNF Dual Pentum-Pro Natoma Motherboard from Micro-Assist 888-97-MICRO (processor Mag) (Full-AT Size). They also sell 32 meg SIMMS for 279 each. I'm planning on getting 4 32 meg boards for 128 meg of ram. The reason I'm going dual pentium pro while now BSDI doesn't support mutli processing, but will by the end of the year, and when the faster ones come out (Intel told me that they should go to at least 300 Mhz.), I can just pop in an additional processor. I've also heard rumors (I wouldn't count on it working) that the P7 chip will use the same pins as the P6, but they may be different functionally and this information is preliminary. Jacob From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 7 15:29:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA29294 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29281; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0uSB7N-000wvZC; Fri, 7 Jun 96 16:39 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA834186433; Fri, 07 Jun 96 17:23:54 PST Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 17:23:54 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9605078341.AA834186433@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" , gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: dave@persprog.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which dual Pentium motherboard? Cyrix SMP? Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This does not make sense. EISA is downward-compatible with ISA, and every EISA hard disk controller with a floppy disk interface should make it look just like ISA. My guess: you may not have turned the floppy disk interface on in the EISA configuration program, or you may not have turned off another floppy interface elsewhere in the system, creating a conflict. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 7 16:04:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA01951 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01945; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA12291; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:03:49 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199606072303.QAA12291@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Which dual Pentium motherboard? Cyrix SMP? To: jparnas@jparnas.cybercom.net (Jacob M. Parnas) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: michaelv@headcandy.com, gpalmer@freebsd.org, dave@persprog.com, questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199606072202.SAA28200@jparnas.cybercom.net> from "Jacob M. Parnas" at "Jun 7, 96 06:02:51 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > In message <199606071942.MAA11811@GndRsh.aac.dev.com>you write: > >> > >> >David Alderman wrote in message ID > >> ><26C84A7DC0@novell.persprog.com>: > > I found the best motherboard for dual pentium pros is a new one from > SuperMicro. It can be had for just $875 from Micro Assist. It has > 8 SIMM 72 pin modules and 4 PCI and 4 ISA cards. Its model number is MBP6DNF > Dual Pentum-Pro Natoma Motherboard from Micro-Assist 888-97-MICRO > (processor Mag) (Full-AT Size). They also sell 32 meg SIMMS for 279 each. > I'm planning on getting 4 32 meg boards for 128 meg of ram. Have you gotten one of these in your hands and actually started to use it? The reason I have asked is prior history with SuperMicro products for me has been someplace between mildly disatisfied with problems, to utterly pissed off about quality. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 7 18:02:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA12114 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA12105; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0uSDVV-000wxMC; Fri, 7 Jun 96 19:12 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA834195613; Fri, 07 Jun 96 19:57:30 PST Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 19:57:30 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9605078341.AA834195613@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: sef@kithrup.com Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which dual Pentium motherboard? Cyrix SMP? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > However, EISA requires motherboard and NVRAM configuration for *all* of > the cards, be they ISA or EISA. Nope. ISA cards work without configuration in an EISA system, so long as there are no conflicts. This is because configuration files are not available for most ISA cards. (Some manufacturers created "generic ISA device" configuration files, but system integrators tended not to use them. The systems still worked.) > If, as Rod suggested, the floppy controller is on an already-configured > EISA card, and you move it to a different slot or different motherboard, > you are quite likely to be hosed. Actually, this is generally NOT true. Even though it's an EISA card, the floppy controller is usually just an ISA interface that's "coming along for the ride" on the same physical board. It is usually enabled by a jumper. Sometimes, the EISA configuration can DISABLE it, but on most cards, the jumper is the only way of turning it on or off. If you don't realize this, you can wind up with two conflicting floppy controllers on the same IRQ, DMA channel, and I/O ports. This can cause trouble. --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 7 18:45:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA16560 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jparnas.cybercom.net (jparnas.cybercom.net [205.198.82.58]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA16543; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.cybercom.net (localhost.cybercom.net [127.0.0.1]) by jparnas.cybercom.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA28830; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 21:43:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199606080143.VAA28830@jparnas.cybercom.net> X-Authentication-Warning: jparnas.cybercom.net: Host localhost.cybercom.net didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: michaelv@headcandy.com, gpalmer@freebsd.org, dave@persprog.com, questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-External-Networks: yes Subject: Re: Which dual Pentium motherboard? Cyrix SMP? In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 07 Jun 1996 16:03:49 PDT. <199606072303.QAA12291@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 21:43:32 -0400 From: "Jacob M. Parnas" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199606072303.QAA12291@GndRsh.aac.dev.com>you write: >> >> In message <199606071942.MAA11811@GndRsh.aac.dev.com>you write: >> >> >> >> >David Alderman wrote in message ID >> >> ><26C84A7DC0@novell.persprog.com>: >> >> I found the best motherboard for dual pentium pros is a new one from >> SuperMicro. It can be had for just $875 from Micro Assist. It has >> 8 SIMM 72 pin modules and 4 PCI and 4 ISA cards. Its model number is MBP6DNF >> Dual Pentum-Pro Natoma Motherboard from Micro-Assist 888-97-MICRO >> (processor Mag) (Full-AT Size). They also sell 32 meg SIMMS for 279 each. >> I'm planning on getting 4 32 meg boards for 128 meg of ram. > >Have you gotten one of these in your hands and actually started to use it? >The reason I have asked is prior history with SuperMicro products for me >has been someplace between mildly disatisfied with problems, to utterly >pissed off about quality. > No, I haven't. I still haven't decided which system to get. What types of problems did you encounter? Were they fixable or did you have to live with the problem. Thanks, Jacob From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 7 19:38:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA22758 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 19:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pioneer.bawel.net (pioneer.bawel.net [140.174.160.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA22743 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 19:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pioneer.bawel.net (pioneer.bawel.net [140.174.160.100]) by pioneer.bawel.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA08734; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 19:41:35 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 19:41:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffry Komala To: Howard Lew cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Diamond video card In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry for the delay replying to this email. I've just come back from vacation and I am going through hundreds of emails. > > > > This is not a question specific to freeBSD, but since it involves a very > > popular brand name, I thought a lot of people would be interested. > > > > Does anybody ever encounter a problem with Diamond Stealth 64 PCI > > Graphics 2000 series (DRAM version)? > > If you have one, try run it under 800x600x 16bit resolution and see if > > you encounter a blank screen. > > It happens to me on two different new video cards on three different > > motherboards: a generic 486DX4-100, an Intel Zappa, and a generic > > Triton-based motherboard. > > The cards I am using are the OEM version. > > > > If you also have a blank screen while running the above video mode, then > > my theory is correct that every Stealth 64, at least the 2000 Graphics > > series, has a serious hardware bug. Timing or interrupt problem? > > > > Hmmm.... Are you using the S3 chipset with the S3 X-server? > Have you tried it with a different monitor? > > > Can you log in on another terminal, run X, get the blank screen, and see > if it outputs any error message? Does killing the X process recover the > screen back or does the system just hang? > Actually, the blank screen problem with Diamond Stealth PCI Graphics 2000 series (previously known as Stealth 64) happened regardless of the OS I was using. In fact, using Diamond's own DOS SVGA diagnostic software the boards still exhibited the same problem. What else does that tell you? The problem only happened on this specific resolution: 800 x 600 x 16bit color Every other resolution ran just fine as far as my experienced. Btw....the problem has nothing to do with the rest of the system since I tried with many different parts/configurations. I returned the second card I bought for my company but I am stuck with my own card. :( Jeffry Komala From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 7 19:51:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA24253 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 19:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pioneer.bawel.net (pioneer.bawel.net [140.174.160.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA24239 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 19:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pioneer.bawel.net (pioneer.bawel.net [140.174.160.100]) by pioneer.bawel.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA08749; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 19:53:31 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 19:53:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffry Komala To: "Sergey S. Kosyakov" cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Diamond video card In-Reply-To: <199605230513.JAA02080@itp.ac.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anybody ever encounter a problem with Diamond Stealth 64 PCI > Graphics 2000 series (DRAM version)? > I do. A very specific problem with the PCI version of the above card. I've got permanent blank screen on 800x600x16bit regardless of the OS. > I had various problems whith my 3 Diamond Stealth 64 PCI 2001 cards > under FreeBSD, Windows NT & Windows 95. > Now those cards works well. The solution: > 1. 2nd MB SOJ DRAM chips must be 50ns Admitedly, mine has 60ns Hyundai DRAM for the first megabyte and 70ns NEC on the expansion sockets. > 2. BIOS must be at least v1.03 If you are referring to the version number printed on the EPROM BIOS label, mine is version 2.09. > 3. Under FreeBSD use X*S3 from XFree861.3.2D distribution I'll keep that in mind. > 4. Under Windows95 & Windows NT use original drivers from Diamond Stealth, > not from those OS. Mine didn't come with Win95/NT driver disk. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 7 23:13:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA14260 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 23:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (root@zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA14245; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 23:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from father.ludd.luth.se (father.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.18]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id IAA18095; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 08:12:50 +0200 From: Tomas Klockar Received: (dateck@localhost) by father.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) id IAA17761; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 08:12:26 +0200 Message-Id: <199606080612.IAA17761@father.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: Hitachi ATAPI CD-ROM + big disks To: john@zyqad.co.uk (John Richards) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 08:12:26 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9606071145.AA01656@zyqad.co.uk> from John Richards at "Jun 7, 96 12:45:58 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to John Richards: > Dear all, > > QUESTION 1 > > I have just got a Hitachi ATAPI CD-rom - on trial - if it doesn't work I can > always return it and get a Mitsumi, but the Hitachi is cheap. I tried last > night to install 2.1 from the CD-ROM. The CD is attached to a PINE EIDE > controller on the secondary side as a slave device. I have two Western Digital > disks on the Primary side. > > It wouldn't go directly from DOS and I suspect too many TSRs etc so I tried the > atapi.flp approach. > > During the boot from the floppy I get the wdc0 finds which finds both the disks > and is quite happy but although it finds wdc1 it does not report anything on > this device. > > wdc1 at 0x170-??? irq 15 on isa > ^^^ - I forget the number here but it seemed OK. > > So when I get as far as selecting the device to install from sysinstall says it > can't find the CD. > > I've looked at freebsd.org and a search threw up a couple of ideas > 1. Try the CD as slave on the primary side. > 2. Try inst_ide.bat > > Is there anything else I should try? before returning the CD as unusable and > paying out more money. > > I'm sorry but SCSI is not an option due to cost. My experience is that you need the CD-ROM as master. on the secondary controller I have a Mitsumi and my freebsd just finds it if I have it as master. I don't know why. I haven't had a look at the code. > QUESTION 2 > > Later today I should be taking delivery of a 1.2 Gb Western Digital IDE drive > which I intend to devote entirely to FreeBSD. Currently I have : > > wd0: WD 200 Mb drive shared between DOS & FreeBSD 1.1.5.1R > wd1: WD 250 Mb drive main FreeBSD 1.1.5.1R disk has / & /usr & swap. > > I want to reorganise the disks such that the 200Mb drive is wholly DOS/Windoze, > the new 1.2 Gb disk is the main FreeBSD 2.1 disk / & /usr & swap, and the 250 Mb > disk is FreeBSD working files etc. > > Does the 1.2 Gb disk have to be on the primary IDE controller for Boot Manager > to see it? > Can FreeBSD see any disks on the secondary IDE controller? > > Other suggestions, ideas welcomed. I hope so, I'm going to get another one :) > FINALLY > > A big thank you to the FreeBSD team for the hard work they put into 2.1. The > sysinstall program is 200%+ better than the hassle involved in 1.1.5.1. Keep up > the good work. > > > Bye > > John > (Play Violin & Ride Bike - but not at the same time) > ******************************************************************************** > John Richards * email : john@zyqad.co.uk > Zyqad Ltd, * > Suite 25, GPT Business Park, * > Technology Drive, Beeston * tel : +44 115 922 0820 > NOTTINGHAM. NG9 2ND. * fax : +44 115 967 8374 > ******************************************************************************** > > -- Tomas Klockar can be found at the following adresses: Kårhusvägen 4, 2:43 | Furuvägen 102 | dateck@ludd.luth.se 977 54 Luleå | 871 52 Härnösand | dateck@solace.mh.se Tel: +46-920-229391 | Tel: +46-611-13393 | d94-tkl@sm.luth.se From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 8 00:40:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA26730 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 00:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA26689; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 00:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA13057; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 00:39:00 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199606080739.AAA13057@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Which dual Pentium motherboard? Cyrix SMP? To: Brett_Glass@ccgate.infoworld.com (Brett Glass) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 00:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sef@kithrup.com, questions@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9605078341.AA834195613@ccgate.infoworld.com> from Brett Glass at "Jun 7, 96 07:57:30 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > However, EISA requires motherboard and NVRAM configuration for *all* of > > the cards, be they ISA or EISA. > > Nope. ISA cards work without configuration in an EISA system, so long as > there are no conflicts. This is because configuration files are not > available for most ISA cards. (Some manufacturers created "generic ISA > device" configuration files, but system integrators tended not to use them. > The systems still worked.) Correct, for _pure_ ISA cards. > > > If, as Rod suggested, the floppy controller is on an already-configured > > EISA card, and you move it to a different slot or different motherboard, > > you are quite likely to be hosed. > > Actually, this is generally NOT true. Even though it's an EISA card, the > floppy controller is usually just an ISA interface that's "coming > along for the ride" on the same physical board. It is usually enabled by a > jumper. Sometimes, the EISA configuration can DISABLE it, but on most > cards, the jumper is the only way of turning it on or off. This makes the card not a _pure_ EISA card. If it has resources on it that respond to I/O cycles that are not controlled by the EISA configuration parameters, the card is in violation of the EISA spec. Those cards that use a jumper _only_ to control the ISA floppy interface on them are not true EISA cards, but mixed ISA/EISA cards. Seems this is actually a better thing to do for floppy controllers though :-). > If you don't realize this, you can wind up with two conflicting floppy > controllers on the same IRQ, DMA channel, and I/O ports. This can cause > trouble. Yepp.... it's just not a pretty picture either way you dice it. Remeber, part of the idea of EISA was to eliminate jumper settings and go to a soft configure, but everyone seems to have cheated on this one :-(. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 8 11:31:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA27095 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 11:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linus.demon.co.uk (linus.demon.co.uk [158.152.10.220]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26619 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 11:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mark@localhost) by linus.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA18675; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 19:20:29 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199606081820.TAA18675@linus.demon.co.uk> From: mark@linus.demon.co.uk (Mark Valentine) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 19:20:27 +0100 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD hardware in the UK Cc: kmc@gnd.com Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Someone asked a little while ago about where to get hardware in the UK which will run FreeBSD well. I recently bought a couple of systems from GND, ASUStek's UK distributor, and have been quite impressed with the quality of the systems and their friendly service. Their prices are also very competitive (prices are on-line at http://www.gnd.com/). What's more, they now advertise systems with FreeBSD installed and tested. Their pre-built systems come complete with on-site warranty, or you can just get components to build your own system. Some details of the systems I bought (to my own specification), for those interested: both 133MHz Pentium, one with the P/I-P55TP4N motherboard (Triton) and a pair of 60ns 16MB EDO SIMMS, the other with the P/I-P55T2P4 (Triton II) and a pair of 60ns 16MB parity SIMMS; ASUS SC-200 (NCR810) SCSI controllers; 4GB Hawk SCSI disks; quad-speed Panasonic SCSI CD-ROM; Diamond Stealth 64 video (S3 Trio64) with 1MB DRAM; one system with AOC 14" SVGA monitor (the only poor component, but I wasn't looking for anything more), the other with 17" Idek Iiyama Vision Master Pro (GND don't normally sell these, but they went out of their way to source one for me at not too much over the odds); 3.5" floppy; Keytronics "Windows 95" keyboard (actually my favourite KT-2000 keyboard with extra Meta and Compose keys with funny little graphical icons on them ;-) - unfortunately UK layout only, which I tend to replace by US layout sourced from Ceratech); midi tower case. The case and build quality deserve special mention; these cases are solid and look well designed, with separate cooling fan in addition to the one in the PSU. The wiring in these pre-built systems was immaculate! I put my own SMC EtherPower cards in these, but GND will sell you a (cheaper) ASUS card also based on the same DEC chipset supported by the `de' driver (I don't have any information on whether these just work, though). FreeBSD 2.1R installed effortlessly on both of these systems, and I also installed Windows 95 and QNX on the Triton II system with no problems (I've mostly been using QNX on it so far). I haven't done any performance testing on either system yet. No relation, just a happy punter, etc... Cheers, Mark. -- Mark Valentine at Home From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 8 13:06:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA10614 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 13:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10598; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 13:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0uSVO0-000wzdC; Sat, 8 Jun 96 14:17 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA834264287; Sat, 08 Jun 96 14:56:54 PST Date: Sat, 08 Jun 96 14:56:54 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9605088342.AA834264287@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: sef@kithrup.com, questions@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Which dual Pentium motherboard? Cyrix SMP? Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > This makes the card not a _pure_ EISA card. If it has resources on it > that respond to I/O cycles that are not controlled by the EISA > configuration parameters, the card is in violation of the EISA spec. Perhaps true. But of course, given the choice between "purity" and a gazillion or so support calls, we all know which any vendor in his right mind will choose. > Yepp.... it's just not a pretty picture either way you dice it. Remeber, > part of the idea of EISA was to eliminate jumper settings and go to a > soft configure, but everyone seems to have cheated on this one :-(. The problem is that the spec wasn't well thought-out -- in quite a number of ways. There was no way to "bootstrap;" that is, a machine whose floppy controller was not configured to work could not run the configuration program. The configuration programs were also horrors: big, slow, and ugly. And a full set of configuration files couldn't fit on a disk. The bad engineering that went into that software is largely responsible for the failure of EISA. --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 8 13:31:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA14358 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 13:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14275; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 13:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA19286; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 13:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606082025.NAA19286@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Tomas Klockar cc: john@zyqad.co.uk (John Richards), freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hitachi ATAPI CD-ROM + big disks In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 08 Jun 96 08:12:26 +0200. <199606080612.IAA17761@father.ludd.luth.se> Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 13:24:05 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> I have just got a Hitachi ATAPI CD-rom - on trial - if it doesn't work I can [...] >My experience is that you need the CD-ROM as master. on the secondary >controller I have a Mitsumi and my freebsd just finds it if I have it >as master. I don't know why. I haven't had a look at the code. I know why: because IDE sucks. It's a hackish, nightmarish abomination. As can be illustrated by the problems being discussed here. I have heard of this same behavior (some drive needs to be master or won't work) under many different OSs -- it's probably not a FreeBSD-specific problem. Sorry, I know that's not very helpful, but it's Yet Another Reason to buy SCSI, if there is any way you can. If you're stuck with IDE, I'm not telling you to throw it away unless you can afford to replace it all. I'm just sending my sympathies... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 8 18:02:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA15917 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA15908; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA13867; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:01:14 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199606090101.SAA13867@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Which dual Pentium motherboard? Cyrix SMP? To: Brett_Glass@ccgate.infoworld.com (Brett Glass) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sef@kithrup.com, questions@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9605088342.AA834264287@ccgate.infoworld.com> from Brett Glass at "Jun 8, 96 02:56:54 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > This makes the card not a _pure_ EISA card. If it has resources on it > > that respond to I/O cycles that are not controlled by the EISA > > configuration parameters, the card is in violation of the EISA spec. > > Perhaps true. But of course, given the choice between "purity" and a > gazillion or so support calls, we all know which any vendor in his right > mind will choose. Not so sure on that, Adaptec choice was ``purity'' and BusTek/Buslogic made the other choice. :-) > > Yepp.... it's just not a pretty picture either way you dice it. Remeber, > > part of the idea of EISA was to eliminate jumper settings and go to a > > soft configure, but everyone seems to have cheated on this one :-(. > > The problem is that the spec wasn't well thought-out -- in quite a number > of ways. There was no way to "bootstrap;" that is, a machine whose floppy > controller was not configured to work could not run the configuration > program. > > The configuration programs were also horrors: big, slow, and ugly. > And a full set of configuration files couldn't fit on a disk. The bad > engineering that went into that software is largely responsible for the > failure of EISA. I would disagree here as to the software being largely responsible for the failure of EISA, cost was the number one reason for failure, hardware cost that is. People just wouldn't pay the price for EISA systems, VLB and PCI where successful only after the price difference between ISA systems and VLB/PCI came to be ``reasonable''. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 8 18:18:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA18013 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA18000 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA13877; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:18:22 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199606090118.SAA13877@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD hardware in the UK To: mark@linus.demon.co.uk (Mark Valentine) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, kmc@gnd.com In-Reply-To: <199606081820.TAA18675@linus.demon.co.uk> from Mark Valentine at "Jun 8, 96 07:20:27 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Someone asked a little while ago about where to get hardware in the UK > which will run FreeBSD well. I recently bought a couple of systems from > GND, ASUStek's UK distributor, and have been quite impressed with the > quality of the systems and their friendly service. Their prices are > also very competitive (prices are on-line at http://www.gnd.com/). ... Thanks for the tip, I've saved that off and know have a place to send the folks who come looking to me for parts/systems from the UK. > I put my own SMC EtherPower cards in these, but GND will sell you a (cheaper) > ASUS card also based on the same DEC chipset supported by the `de' driver (I > don't have any information on whether these just work, though). I am really replying to make a correction here, the ASUS PCI-L101-TB ethernet card is based on an AMD Am79C970 chip and absolutely will not run with the ``de'' driver. It may, however, work with the ``lnc'' driver. > Mark Valentine at Home -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD