From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 25 01:57:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA20900 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 01:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (ascend.star-gate.com [204.188.121.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA20894; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 01:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA07018; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 01:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608250856.BAA07018@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Denis DeLaRoca 825-4580 (310) cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Vat 4.0b2 and GUS Driver In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:24:00 PDT." <199608222025.NAA13626@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 01:56:20 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Just wait till my site comes back up . I have to polish up my current version of the GUS PnP driver. The repeat loop happens if vat does not feed the GUS on time --- and I had a nice long chat with AMD about their "feature".... (The GUS PnP uses the AMD Interwave) As for the Mike sliders, I have sorted out what is going on the GUS PnP. Long time ago, I used to init my gus pnp on dos and then soft boot to FreeBSD --- with that version of the dos gus pnp driver the mic level control on freebsd used to work fine however after a dos gus pnp driver update I never managed to get the mic level working again .. Now, why am I mentioning DOS? Well, if I had had a compatible DOS sound driver it would have been a lot easier to figure out the GUS PnP Register settings on FreeBSD . >From The Desk Of Denis DeLaRoca 825-4580 : > I am running Vat 4.0b2 (compiled with the voxware audio code interface) > and the beta Gravis Ultrasound pro driver. By and large it works. > Often though, it seems that 2 or more samples are merged on playback... > but worst still, all of a sudden the last audio chunk is replayed > repeatedly for something like 3-5 seconds. When this happens, Vat's > UV meter freezes. This repeated-playback problem does occur quite > often. > > Is anybody observing similar problems? At the moment I don't know > if Vat with the Voxware audio code is supposed to work asis with > the GUS driver. Amancio Hasty who developed the driver reported > running ok with Vat 4.0b1 but his FTP site is down and I am unable > to verify wether he had modified Vat or not. Vat's audio sliders > for example, though selectable, appear non-functional. Opening the > mike for speaking makes Vat's input VU meter hit its maximum and > it was impossible to adjust the input level. Both locally compiled > versions of Vat, b1 and b2, give the above problems. > > My GUS hardware configuration appears ok. I noticed "isa_dmastart: > channel 3 busy" messages when starting Vat. But that appears to be an > artifact that when Vat quits the list of busy dma channels in the > kernel is not updated. At any rate isa_dmastart() just disregards busy > dma channels after issuing the warning message. > > I am running on a fairly slow 486 system but I think the problems > are more in the interfacing between vat and the GUS driver and/or > plain problems with the GUS beta driver. > > Anybody can help? > > -- Denis > From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 25 13:21:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA01892 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01860 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (root@cat-food.Melmac.org [206.169.44.2]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA25548 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 10:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA08447; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 10:33:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199608251733.KAA08447@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Subject: Re: PCI SCSI Installations Woes To: freebsd@successbbs.com (Freebsd) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 10:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <1527825029-960824221906@successbbs.com> from Freebsd at "Aug 25, 96 05:19:06 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have an Adaptec 7870 Plug 'n Play Fast SCSI-II motherboard. FreeBSD, > is for some reason, not probing/finding the built-in SCSI controller. > The closest device to the AIC7870, is the AIC2940, so I disabled all the > other devices, except for AHC1, to no avail. Any suggestions? Btw- It is > an Iwill P55TV, with a Pentium 166 MHz CPU, 512k Pipelined Burst L2 > cache, 32m EDO RAM, and a 3com 5790 PCI ethercard. > The normal Adaptec 2940 is based on the AIC-7870. But Adaptec sells now the 2940 based on the AIC-7880 (Ultra version) Even they don't advertise it, even the normal 2940 is Ultra. Does your motherboard show any PCI device with a message like "No driver attached" ? If not, the card is not really visable for FreeBSD. Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 Lamb Art Internet Services || http://www.Lamb.net/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 25 13:29:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA20900 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 01:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (ascend.star-gate.com [204.188.121.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA20894; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 01:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA07018; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 01:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608250856.BAA07018@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Denis DeLaRoca 825-4580 (310) cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Vat 4.0b2 and GUS Driver In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:24:00 PDT." <199608222025.NAA13626@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 01:56:20 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Just wait till my site comes back up . I have to polish up my current version of the GUS PnP driver. The repeat loop happens if vat does not feed the GUS on time --- and I had a nice long chat with AMD about their "feature".... (The GUS PnP uses the AMD Interwave) As for the Mike sliders, I have sorted out what is going on the GUS PnP. Long time ago, I used to init my gus pnp on dos and then soft boot to FreeBSD --- with that version of the dos gus pnp driver the mic level control on freebsd used to work fine however after a dos gus pnp driver update I never managed to get the mic level working again .. Now, why am I mentioning DOS? Well, if I had had a compatible DOS sound driver it would have been a lot easier to figure out the GUS PnP Register settings on FreeBSD . >From The Desk Of Denis DeLaRoca 825-4580 : > I am running Vat 4.0b2 (compiled with the voxware audio code interface) > and the beta Gravis Ultrasound pro driver. By and large it works. > Often though, it seems that 2 or more samples are merged on playback... > but worst still, all of a sudden the last audio chunk is replayed > repeatedly for something like 3-5 seconds. When this happens, Vat's > UV meter freezes. This repeated-playback problem does occur quite > often. > > Is anybody observing similar problems? At the moment I don't know > if Vat with the Voxware audio code is supposed to work asis with > the GUS driver. Amancio Hasty who developed the driver reported > running ok with Vat 4.0b1 but his FTP site is down and I am unable > to verify wether he had modified Vat or not. Vat's audio sliders > for example, though selectable, appear non-functional. Opening the > mike for speaking makes Vat's input VU meter hit its maximum and > it was impossible to adjust the input level. Both locally compiled > versions of Vat, b1 and b2, give the above problems. > > My GUS hardware configuration appears ok. I noticed "isa_dmastart: > channel 3 busy" messages when starting Vat. But that appears to be an > artifact that when Vat quits the list of busy dma channels in the > kernel is not updated. At any rate isa_dmastart() just disregards busy > dma channels after issuing the warning message. > > I am running on a fairly slow 486 system but I think the problems > are more in the interfacing between vat and the GUS driver and/or > plain problems with the GUS beta driver. > > Anybody can help? > > -- Denis > From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 25 14:46:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA10745 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 14:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from madmax.keyway.net (madmax.keyway.net [204.140.217.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10738 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 14:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from successbbs.com (uucp@localhost) by madmax.keyway.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id OAA11205 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 14:46:40 -0700 Received: by successbbs.com (ViaUUCP! v1.02 ) id 1573; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 20:32:47 GMT From: freebsd@successbbs.com (Freebsd) Subject: Re: PCI SCSI Installations Woes Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 20:08:48 GMT Organization: Kiwi Computer Services Message-Id: <1095323315-960825130848@successbbs.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org (Freebsd-hardware) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The normal Adaptec 2940 is based on the AIC-7870. But Adaptec sells > now the 2940 based on the AIC-7880 (Ultra version) Even they don't > advertise it, even the normal 2940 is Ultra. > Does your motherboard show any PCI device with a message like "No > driver attached" ? If not, the card is not really visable for I figured it out. I was installing it off of my 2.1.0-RELEASE BSD Cd. I downloaded 2.1.5-RELEASE, and it detected everything just fine. Thanks for your help though. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 26 00:29:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA24838 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 00:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24833; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 00:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608260729.AAA24833@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd@successbbs.com (Freebsd) cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org (Freebsd-hardware) Subject: Re: PCI SCSI Installations Woes In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Aug 1996 05:19:06 GMT." <1527825029-960824221906@successbbs.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 00:29:16 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I have an Adaptec 7870 Plug 'n Play Fast SCSI-II motherboard. FreeBSD, >is for some reason, not probing/finding the built-in SCSI controller. >The closest device to the AIC7870, is the AIC2940, so I disabled all the >other devices, except for AHC1, to no avail. Any suggestions? Btw- It is >an Iwill P55TV, with a Pentium 166 MHz CPU, 512k Pipelined Burst L2 >cache, 32m EDO RAM, and a 3com 5790 PCI ethercard. What version of FreeBSD are you trying to install? Can you post the boot messages when you boot with the '-v' boot flag? If you get to the install screen and hit 'scoll-lock' followed by 'page-up' you should be able to read the PCI probe output. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 26 02:39:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA29951 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 02:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.philips.nl (ns.philips.nl [130.144.65.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA29946 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 02:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by relay.philips.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9-950414) id LAA24846 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:38:56 +0200 Received: from unknown(192.26.173.32) by ns.philips.nl via smap (V1.3+ESMTP) with ESMTP id sma024608; Mon Aug 26 11:37:32 1996 Received: from aonc01.nym.sc.philips.com (aonc01.nym.sc.philips.com [130.144.70.193]) by smtp.nl.cis.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-0.9z-02May95) with ESMTP id LAA15035 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:40:07 +0200 Received: from NLNMG01.nym.sc.philips.com (nlnmg01 [130.144.80.6]) by aonc01.nym.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.2a-960822) with ESMTP id LAA01630 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:38:46 +0200 Received: from NLNMG01/MAILQUEUE by NLNMG01.nym.sc.philips.com (Mercury 1.21); 26 Aug 96 11:38:52 +0100 Received: from MAILQUEUE by NLNMG01 (Mercury 1.21); 26 Aug 96 11:38:30 +0100 From: "Kees Jan Koster" Organization: Philips Semiconductors Nijmegen To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:38:27 GMT+0100 Subject: Mixing EDO and non-EDO ram question Reply-to: Kees.Koster@nym.sc.philips.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <4C00F57965@NLNMG01.nym.sc.philips.com> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hoi Hardware, I just bought an ExpertBoard 6881 with an AMD 5k86-P100 cpu and 32Mb EDO ram in bank 0. I was wondering: If I stick my old (non-EDO) 8Mb into bank , does the board decide to not use the EDO-ness of the ram in bank 0? CMOS configuration of this board is pretty straight-forward and does even make some kind of sense if you think about it (and it's mouse-driven). I must say the CMOS setup is easier to use than that of my previous SOYO board. However, I have much less control over the memory timing, so I'd like to know how to configure the memory timing settings (you know: the 4-2-2-2 stuff). Any ideas? Groetjes, Kees Jan From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 26 02:47:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA00536 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 02:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iaehv.IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA00515; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 02:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCAL (wjw@localhost) by iaehv.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63); pid 7273 on Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:46:52 +0200; id LAA07273 efrom: wjw; eto: UNKOWN From: wjw@IAEhv.nl (Willem Jan Withagen) Message-Id: <199608260946.LAA07273@iaehv.IAEhv.nl> Subject: SCSI disks To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:46:52 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: scsi@freebsd.org, admin@IAEhv.nl X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Until recently we as an ISP were using Micropolis disk with pleasure. But since several 4.3Gb started crashing, we've changed our view. So I'm now looking for new disks. I've got 2 offerings: Seagate Barracuda 4.3 GB Quantum XP34300S The need to run on FreeBSD 2.0.5 and up. Long agood I tested the quantum with an NCR 53810 and an Adaptec 1542B and in both case it did not seem to work. Now things might have changed, but I'm interrested in the opinion of other fellow FreeBSD-ers. Please also respond in personal Email, since I read may FreeBSD lists but not all of them. Thanx, WjW -- Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2438330, data: +31-40-2439436 P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands Full Internet connectivity for only fl 12.95 a month. Call now, and login as 'new'. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 26 04:35:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA06046 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 04:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.winc.com (root@home.winc.com [204.178.182.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA06039 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 04:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.aristar.com (slip125.winc.com [204.178.182.125]) by home.winc.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA03943; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 07:34:58 -0400 Message-ID: <32218C08.41C67EA6@aristar.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 07:35:36 -0400 From: "Matthew A. Gessner" Organization: Aristar, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5aGold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sln@public.jn.sd.cn CC: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Config mouse in XF86 References: <321ED316.6701@public.jn.sd.cn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Song Lining wrote: > > Hi all, > > I 've installed the FreeBSD days ago and it runs well except the > configuration of XF86. I met difficulties in configuring my mouse. I've > tried to link /dev/mouse to /dev/mse0 and /dev/psm0, when I using > command "startx" , the system told me that my mouse devices /dev/mse0 or > /dev/psm0 have not been configured. The message is: "/dev/psm0: device > not configured". But I have built the devices using MAKEDEV. Who can > help me? > > PS: I'm using a Compaq Presario CDS 724 (intel 486) > > Thanks! > > Song Lining Been there; done that; here's what to do (thanks first to all the folks who told ME what to do!): You need to reconfigure your kernel, so that the device psm0 is available. To do this, you need to have the kernel sources. In the directory /sys/i386/conf you should find a file called GENERIC. (If you've already configured your kernel for something else, use that config file.) Say you call the new config file MYKERNEL. Uncomment or add the line that says: device psm0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmintr Then run the following commands (taken right out of the handbook!): # /usr/sbin/config MYKERNEL # cd ../../compile/MYKERNEL # make # make install HTH, Matt -- Matthew Gessner, Computer Scientist, Aristar, Inc. 302 N. Cleveland-Massillon Rd. Akron, OH 44333 Voice (330) 668-2267, Fax (330) 668-2961 From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 26 05:00:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA07242 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 05:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.philips.nl (ns.philips.nl [130.144.65.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA07236 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 05:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by relay.philips.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9-950414) id NAA13735 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:59:52 +0200 Received: from unknown(192.26.173.32) by ns.philips.nl via smap (V1.3+ESMTP) with ESMTP id sma013477; Mon Aug 26 13:58:25 1996 Received: from aonc01.nym.sc.philips.com (aonc01.nym.sc.philips.com [130.144.70.193]) by smtp.nl.cis.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-0.9z-02May95) with ESMTP id OAA01372 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:01:01 +0200 Received: from NLNMG01.nym.sc.philips.com (nlnmg01 [130.144.80.6]) by aonc01.nym.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.2a-960822) with ESMTP id NAA16341 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:59:43 +0200 Received: from NLNMG01/MAILQUEUE by NLNMG01.nym.sc.philips.com (Mercury 1.21); 26 Aug 96 13:59:48 +0100 Received: from MAILQUEUE by NLNMG01 (Mercury 1.21); 26 Aug 96 13:59:19 +0100 From: "Kees Jan Koster" Organization: Philips Semiconductors Nijmegen To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:59:10 GMT+0100 Subject: Re: Pine Motherboards Reply-to: Kees.Koster@nym.sc.philips.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <4E5A08723E@NLNMG01.nym.sc.philips.com> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Could anyone please tell me if there is any reason why BSD should > > give hassles with a PINE motherboard (PT-7502). It has the Intel > > i430VX chipset. This will be used in conjunction with 2x16Mb TIN > > plated EDO RAM (60ns) and an ExpertColor S3 ViRGE (325). > > I don't know about the rest, but is there a X server for XFree86 which > works with S3 Virge? > I have to use 3.1.2E for my Diamond 2001 S3 card (Trio 64V+, 86C765) or suffer horrible machine hangs (see mail archive). Perhaps the Virge has the same quirk? Groetjes, Kees Jan From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 26 06:14:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA09674 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 06:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mars.eecs.ukans.edu ([129.237.116.37]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA09669 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 06:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from conley@localhost) by mars.eecs.ukans.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA01858; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 08:14:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 08:14:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "Dennis R. Conley" X-Sender: conley@mars To: "Matthew A. Gessner" cc: sln@public.jn.sd.cn, hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Config mouse in XF86 In-Reply-To: <32218C08.41C67EA6@aristar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >You need to reconfigure your kernel, so that the device psm0 is >available. To do this, you need to have the kernel sources. > >In the directory /sys/i386/conf you should find a file called GENERIC. >(If you've already configured your kernel for something else, use that >config file.) Say you call the new config file MYKERNEL. > >Uncomment or add the line that says: >device psm0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmintr > >Then run the following commands (taken right out of the handbook!): > ># /usr/sbin/config MYKERNEL ># cd ../../compile/MYKERNEL ># make ># make install I just stumbled through this problem yesterday. Rebuilding a new kernel didn't help, then I noticed that the original line appeared in the GENERIC config file as: device psm0 at isa? port disabled "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmintr ^^^^^^^^ The keyword "disabled" must be removed, another kernel built and then the mouse will work fine. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 26 10:28:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA25974 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wesley.limmat.ch (ns.limmat.ch [193.73.213.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25962 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ovb01.iwan.limmat.ch (ovb01 [193.73.213.186]) by wesley.limmat.ch (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA23831 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:28:02 +0200 From: ovb@limmat.ch (Oliver von Bueren) To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Hardware or Software problem/bug? Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:28:10 GMT Organization: private Message-ID: <3221d990.11949983@mail.limmat.ch> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hip. I have a problem I can't solve. A 386DX40 with 8MB Ram, Adaptec 1542CP, a Quantum 1.2GB Disk, a CD Rom drive, a Ne2000 network adaptor and a ET4000 graphics card. All that with a fresh installation of FreeBSD 2.1.5-Release. The system runs very well in normal operation. This means running as DNS Server and stuff like that. No problem at all. But when I like to compile something, very strange things happen. Things like: cc: Internal compiler error: program as got fatal signal 10 *** Error code 1 About the same message I got with signal 11 or 5. I also saw a bus error once or twice. With the message above the machine went down a few things on the /var tree got corrupt. Another time I had to repair the root file system (namely the /sbin directory). That one was nearly empty after I was through with fsck. I copied the directory from the Live cd and it was up and running again. I compiled several different things. Like a kernel compile run or other ports. I tried several things but could not find the problem causing the above. Any Ideas? Cheers, Oliver /-----------------------------------------------------------------------\ ¦ Oliver von Bueren ovb@limmat.ch ¦ ¦ Schlierenstr. 42 ¦ ¦ 8142 Uitikon Switzerland ¦ ¦ VoicePhone: ++41-1-4920626 Attention: TimeZone GMT+1 ¦ ¦ Fax : ++41-1-4002626 VoiceCalls only 09.00-21.00 local time ¦ \-----------------------------------------------------------------------/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 26 12:06:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA05041 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jupiter.stochastik.rwth-aachen.de (odiug@jupiter.Stochastik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.106.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04999; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from odiug@localhost) by jupiter.stochastik.rwth-aachen.de (8.7.4/BuGless_1.03/MS1.00) id VAA06960; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:04:44 +0200 (MET DST) From: Guido Muesch Message-Id: <199608261904.VAA06960@jupiter.stochastik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: NCR & AMD DX/4-133 problem To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:04:43 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I get the following when booting FreeBSD-current from my SCSI disk: Using an AMD-133: ncr0 rev 17 int a irq 9 on pci0:29 ncr waiting fo scsi devices to settle ncr0:0: ERROR (81:0) (8-0-0) (0/13) @ (ffdac008:f000f773) reg: ca 00 00 13 47 00 00 1f 31 08 04 00 80 00 08 02. ncr0: restart (fatal error). (ncr0:0:0): COMMAND FAILED (9 ff) @ f09fa8dc. When I have my old AMD-100 plugged in, everything works fine. I get this with two different boards. (One of them did not support the AMD-133 right). But the DOS driver seems to work with the second. Is it a hardware problem? Should I get just another mainboard? (This mainboard is a Pine PT-432B) Help Guido From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 26 12:14:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07094 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07072; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr2-38.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA14905 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:14:45 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA00920; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:09:38 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:09:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199608261909.VAA00920@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> From: Stefan Esser To: wjw@IAEhv.nl (Willem Jan Withagen) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, scsi@freebsd.org, admin@IAEhv.nl Subject: Re: SCSI disks In-Reply-To: <199608260946.LAA07273@iaehv.IAEhv.nl> References: <199608260946.LAA07273@iaehv.IAEhv.nl> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Willem Jan Withagen writes: > > Hi, > > Until recently we as an ISP were using Micropolis disk with pleasure. > But since several 4.3Gb started crashing, we've changed our view. > > So I'm now looking for new disks. I've got 2 offerings: > Seagate Barracuda 4.3 GB > Quantum XP34300S > The need to run on FreeBSD 2.0.5 and up. > Long agood I tested the quantum with an NCR 53810 and an Adaptec 1542B > and in both case it did not seem to work. Now things might have changed, but Hmmm, that's surprising, since my current development system uses a Quantum Atlas (though its the XP32150S, the 2GB version). This drive worked with the NCR driver of Spring 1995 at least, when I first tested it. I'm quite sure that the Adaptec 1542 supported it as well, since it is hard to find a device that doesn't work on the Adpatec, and the Atlas is really well designed (IMHO). The Quantum Grand-Prix (XP34301S) is a different beast. It has got bad press because of many failed (or DOA) drives, and it is noisy and significantly slower than the Atlas, though both are 7200RPM drives. You may also want to have a look at the IBM DHFS series, which is also very fast and AFAIK reliable. Can't comment on recent Seagate drives. Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 26 13:23:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA13407 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13389; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id PAA29629; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:23:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 26 Aug 96 15:23 CDT Received: (from karl@localhost) by Jupiter.mcs.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id PAA15285; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:22:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Karl Denninger Message-Id: <199608262022.PAA15285@Jupiter.mcs.net> Subject: Re: SCSI disks To: se@ZPR.Uni-Koeln.DE (Stefan Esser) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:22:58 -0500 (CDT) Cc: wjw@IAEhv.nl, hardware@freebsd.org, scsi@freebsd.org, admin@IAEhv.nl In-Reply-To: <199608261909.VAA00920@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> from "Stefan Esser" at Aug 26, 96 09:09:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hmmm, that's surprising, since my current development system uses > a Quantum Atlas (though its the XP32150S, the 2GB version). This > drive worked with the NCR driver of Spring 1995 at least, when I > first tested it. > > I'm quite sure that the Adaptec 1542 supported it as well, since > it is hard to find a device that doesn't work on the Adpatec, and > the Atlas is really well designed (IMHO). > > The Quantum Grand-Prix (XP34301S) is a different beast. It has got > bad press because of many failed (or DOA) drives, and it is noisy > and significantly slower than the Atlas, though both are 7200RPM > drives. > > You may also want to have a look at the IBM DHFS series, which is > also very fast and AFAIK reliable. > > Can't comment on recent Seagate drives. > > Regards, STefan The Quantum Atlas 4.3GB disks outperform Seagate Hawks in our news configuration by *at least* 2:1. I highly recommend them. 2MB internal cache buffer, read-ahead, tagged queueing, the whole 9 yards. 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From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 26 13:53:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15140 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA15112; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr3-13.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA15792 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:53:24 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03904; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:47:02 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:47:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199608262047.WAA03904@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> From: Stefan Esser To: Guido Muesch Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NCR & AMD DX/4-133 problem In-Reply-To: <199608261904.VAA06960@jupiter.stochastik.rwth-aachen.de> References: <199608261904.VAA06960@jupiter.stochastik.rwth-aachen.de> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Guido Muesch writes: > I get the following when booting FreeBSD-current from my SCSI disk: > > Using an AMD-133: > > ncr0 rev 17 int a irq 9 on pci0:29 > ncr waiting fo scsi devices to settle > ncr0:0: ERROR (81:0) (8-0-0) (0/13) @ (ffdac008:f000f773) Hmm, the 81 means "Illegal Instruction", and the pair of values at the end of the line does fully support the NCR chips complains :) Seems that the NCR reads corrupt data from memory when fetching its instructions. > reg: ca 00 00 13 47 00 00 1f 31 08 04 00 80 00 08 02. > ncr0: restart (fatal error). > (ncr0:0:0): COMMAND FAILED (9 ff) @ f09fa8dc. > > When I have my old AMD-100 plugged in, everything works fine. Yes, the error message above indicates some kind of hardware problem, though not everything is lost ... > I get this with two different boards. (One of them did not support the > AMD-133 right). But the DOS driver seems to work with the second. Actually, that doesn't prove a lot :) The DOS drivers tend to ignore most of the features that make the NCR controllers interesting under a multi-tasking OS. > Is it a hardware problem? Should I get just another mainboard? > (This mainboard is a Pine PT-432B) Don't know that motherboard. As always: Please boot with "-v" and send me the message log (as written to /var/log/messages). I'll know which chip set there is, and possibly which cache configuration and PCI performance options are in effect. My current suspicion is that you are using the Write-Back mode of the AMD5x86s primary cache, and that your motherboard's chip set does not actually support that feature. Please try again with the primary cache set to Write-Through, or with the primary cache disabled. Send me your results ... Gruss, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 26 13:55:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15237 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15226 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA18229; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma018225; Mon Aug 26 13:52:51 1996 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:51:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Oliver von Bueren cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Hardware or Software problem/bug? In-Reply-To: <3221d990.11949983@mail.limmat.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk sounds like a flaky memory subsystem. does the MB have a home-made cache? if so can it be disabled? try slowing down the ram cycles. These a prime symtoms of bad cache/memory systems julian On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Oliver von Bueren wrote: > Hip. >=20 > I have a problem I can't solve. A 386DX40 with 8MB Ram, Adaptec 1542CP, a > Quantum 1.2GB Disk, a CD Rom drive, a Ne2000 network adaptor and a ET4000 > graphics card. All that with a fresh installation of FreeBSD 2.1.5-Releas= e. > The system runs very well in normal operation. This means running as DNS = Server > and stuff like that. No problem at all. >=20 > But when I like to compile something, very strange things happen. Things = like: > cc: Internal compiler error: program as got fatal signal 10 > *** Error code 1 > About the same message I got with signal 11 or 5. > I also saw a bus error once or twice. With the message above the machine = went > down a few things on the /var tree got corrupt. Another time I had to rep= air the > root file system (namely the /sbin directory). That one was nearly empty = after I > was through with fsck. I copied the directory from the Live cd and it was= up and > running again. >=20 > I compiled several different things. Like a kernel compile run or other p= orts. >=20 > I tried several things but could not find the problem causing the above. >=20 > Any Ideas? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Cheers, > Oliver >=20 > /-----------------------------------------------------------------------= \ > =A6 Oliver von Bueren ovb@limmat.c= h =A6 > =A6 Schlierenstr. 42 = =A6 > =A6 8142 Uitikon Switzerland = =A6 > =A6 VoicePhone: ++41-1-4920626 Attention: TimeZone GMT+1 = =A6 > =A6 Fax : ++41-1-4002626 VoiceCalls only 09.00-21.00 local tim= e =A6 > \-----------------------------------------------------------------------= / >=20 From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 26 15:06:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA19715 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19703 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:06:30 -0700 (PDT) From: BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0uvAAY-000wzvC; Mon, 26 Aug 96 15:30 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA841097010; Mon, 26 Aug 96 16:03:52 PST Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 16:03:52 PST Message-Id: <9607268410.AA841097010@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: ovb@limmat.ch (Oliver von Bueren), hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Hardware or Software problem/bug? Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My guess: an I/O port conflict between the NE2000 and the Adaptec card. Could also be an IRQ conflict. Look in the output of the dmesg command for problems and/or copy it to the list for comment. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 26 18:06:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA02100 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.hp.com (relay.hp.com [15.255.152.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02060; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srmail.sr.hp.com by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA184558000; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:06:40 -0700 Received: from hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com by srmail.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA240607996; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:06:36 -0700 Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA238537995; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:06:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199608270106.AA238537995@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com> To: Stefan Esser Cc: wjw@IAEhv.nl (Willem Jan Withagen), hardware@freebsd.org, scsi@freebsd.org, admin@IAEhv.nl Subject: Re: SCSI disks In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:09:38 +0200." <199608261909.VAA00920@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:06:35 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > So I'm now looking for new disks. I've got 2 offerings: > > Seagate Barracuda 4.3 GB > > Quantum XP34300S > > The need to run on FreeBSD 2.0.5 and up. > > Long agood I tested the quantum with an NCR 53810 and an Adaptec 1542B > > and in both case it did not seem to work. Now things might have changed, b > ut > > Hmmm, that's surprising, since my current development system uses > a Quantum Atlas (though its the XP32150S, the 2GB version). This > drive worked with the NCR driver of Spring 1995 at least, when I > first tested it. I'm using a Quantum Atlas 34300S and an NCR-815-based SCSI controller, and they're working great. I've used it under 2.1R, and I'm now using it under 2.2-snap-960801. The block write performance (~3.3MB/s) isn't as good as I thought it would be, but it's good enough. I could always mount the drive async. > The Quantum Grand-Prix (XP34301S) is a different beast. It has got > bad press because of many failed (or DOA) drives, and it is noisy > and significantly slower than the Atlas, though both are 7200RPM > drives. The Grand Prix must be really noisy, as my Atlas has a constant ear-annoying whine (I think I'm going to go deaf in my right ear, listening to it ;-(), and perhaps makes the loudest seek noises that I've ever heard. -- Darryl Okahata Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 26 18:33:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA04792 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04779 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA03860; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:01:44 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199608270131.LAA03860@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Config mouse in XF86 To: conley@eecs.ukans.edu (Dennis R. Conley) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:01:43 +0930 (CST) Cc: mgessner@aristar.com, sln@public.jn.sd.cn, hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Dennis R. Conley" at Aug 26, 96 08:14:17 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dennis R. Conley stands accused of saying: > I just stumbled through this problem yesterday. Rebuilding a new > kernel didn't help, then I noticed that the original line appeared > in the GENERIC config file as: > > device psm0 at isa? port disabled "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmintr > ^^^^^^^^ > > The keyword "disabled" must be removed, another kernel built and > then the mouse will work fine. Actually, the device is configure disabled so that you _don't_ have to build a new kernel; just boot with the -c flag once you're installed on the disk and say 'enable psm0' and 'quit' at the config> prompt. The changes are recorded by the 'dset' program during the boot process, and you're up and running. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 26 23:59:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA18476 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de (odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de [139.30.40.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA18435; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lkoeller@localhost) by odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA20672; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:59:25 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:59:25 +0200 (MET DST) From: Lars Koeller Message-Id: <199608270659.IAA20672@odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de> X-Face: nLQGe[[K51[{{[C\,BiQm[7]u1m{N>_\%nLBo4t@)CoZ}hK[W7DwX&V=}Wf#Qb,j:Jpj[(12r=b~:dYmh]fDf\, ]_frt6eM' dated: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:09:38 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, scsi@freebsd.org, admin@IAEhv.nl Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! Stefan Esser writes: > Willem Jan Withagen writes: > > > > Hi, > > > > Until recently we as an ISP were using Micropolis disk with pleasure. > > But since several 4.3Gb started crashing, we've changed our view. > > > > So I'm now looking for new disks. I've got 2 offerings: > > Seagate Barracuda 4.3 GB > > Quantum XP34300S > > The need to run on FreeBSD 2.0.5 and up. > > Long agood I tested the quantum with an NCR 53810 and an Adaptec 1542B > > and in both case it did not seem to work. Now things might have changed, but > > Hmmm, that's surprising, since my current development system uses > a Quantum Atlas (though its the XP32150S, the 2GB version). This > drive worked with the NCR driver of Spring 1995 at least, when I > first tested it. > > I'm quite sure that the Adaptec 1542 supported it as well, since > it is hard to find a device that doesn't work on the Adpatec, and > the Atlas is really well designed (IMHO). > > The Quantum Grand-Prix (XP34301S) is a different beast. It has got > bad press because of many failed (or DOA) drives, and it is noisy > and significantly slower than the Atlas, though both are 7200RPM > drives. > > You may also want to have a look at the IBM DHFS series, which is > also very fast and AFAIK reliable. > > Can't comment on recent Seagate drives. > > Regards, STefan Perhaps it's the same phenomena I have with the Quantum and the Adaptec 1742 EISA SCSI controller. Every time the disc reads out of the cache, the response is so quick that a lot of controllers aren't ready to receive the first bytes. As a matter of fact the whole SCSI-bus is locked! The solution is to edit the modepage of the Quantum Atlas so that the disc inserts a delay of 15 micro seconds when a block is transfered out of the cache. If you need any information how to do this, don't hesitate to contact me again. Regards Lars -- ________________________________________________________________________ Lars Köller Phone: +49 381/498-1665, Fax: -1667 University of Rostock E-Mail: Department of Physics Lars_Koeller@odie.physik2.Uni-Rostock.DE Universitätsplatz 3 Anonymous ftp: D-18051 Rostock (Germany) ftp://odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de/pub From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 27 03:05:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA26980 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 03:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iaehv.IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA26952; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 03:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCAL (wjw@localhost) by iaehv.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63); pid 27696 on Tue, 27 Aug 1996 12:03:45 +0200; id MAA27696 efrom: wjw; eto: UNKNOWN From: wjw@IAEhv.nl (Willem Jan Withagen) Message-Id: <199608271003.MAA27696@iaehv.IAEhv.nl> Subject: Re: SCSI disks To: admin@IAEhv.nl Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 12:03:45 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: wjw@IAEhv.nl, hardware@freebsd.org, scsi@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608261909.VAA00920@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> from "Stefan Esser" at Aug 26, 96 09:09:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I asked about SCSI drives and was going to summerise, but all questions have also been posted to both lists. So I'll forgo that exercise. You ( Stefan Esser ) write: => Hmmm, that's surprising, since my current development system uses => a Quantum Atlas (though its the XP32150S, the 2GB version). This => drive worked with the NCR driver of Spring 1995 at least, when I => first tested it. This was summer 1995, and I was still running 2.0 at home. On all systems did it work under DOS and OS/2, but not FreeBSD. I also had problems connecting it to a SGI system, and there I'd need to switch communication with the drive to async mode. Sunday I upgraded to 2.1.5 on my gateway, and 2.2-SNAP CD on my personal box, so there's plenty of toys to play with. Also note that I have a $250 difference in the offer. The Seagate Barracuda is the more expensive one. Thanx for all the info sofar, --WjW -- Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2438330, data: +31-40-2439436 P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands Full Internet connectivity for only fl 12.95 a month. Call now, and login as 'new'. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 27 04:48:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA01529 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 04:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.winc.com (root@home.winc.com [204.178.182.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA01524 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 04:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.aristar.com (slip125.winc.com [204.178.182.125]) by home.winc.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10345; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 07:46:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3222E04D.41C67EA6@aristar.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 07:47:25 -0400 From: "Matthew A. Gessner" Organization: Aristar, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b8Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Smith CC: "Dennis R. Conley" , sln@public.jn.sd.cn, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Config mouse in XF86 References: <199608270131.LAA03860@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith wrote: > > Dennis R. Conley stands accused of saying: > > > I just stumbled through this problem yesterday. Rebuilding a new > > kernel didn't help, then I noticed that the original line appeared > > in the GENERIC config file as: > > > > device psm0 at isa? port disabled "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmintr > > ^^^^^^^^ > > > > The keyword "disabled" must be removed, another kernel built and > > then the mouse will work fine. > > Actually, the device is configure disabled so that you _don't_ have to > build a new kernel; just boot with the -c flag once you're installed on > the disk and say 'enable psm0' and 'quit' at the config> prompt. > > The changes are recorded by the 'dset' program during the boot process, and > you're up and running. > MAN! I wish I had known about this 3 months ago!!! Does this apply to things like ed0 and sio2, too?? I went through a LOT of trouble b/c someone on this mailing list told me that I had to recompile the kernel! Now that I'm done complaining about it, it was a useful thing to know how to rebuild the kernel :) Matt P.S. Thanks, Mike! -- Matthew Gessner, Computer Scientist, Aristar, Inc. 302 N. Cleveland-Massillon Rd. Akron, OH 44333 Voice (330) 668-2267, Fax (330) 668-2961 From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 27 11:58:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA20880 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20875 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr2-39.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA02353 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:58:32 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA04079; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:25:45 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:25:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199608271825.UAA04079@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> From: Stefan Esser To: Michael Smith Cc: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser), hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ASUS SC200 SCSI card? In-Reply-To: <199608240126.KAA24070@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> References: <199608232024.WAA22814@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> <199608240126.KAA24070@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith writes: > Stefan Esser stands accused of saying: > > > Even with two 810's coming up for an opcode every us? I'd have > > > thought you'd want to allow for (max latency + one opcode fetch) < 1us > > > so that the second one didn't starve... > > > > This isn't how the latency timer works ... > > > > The latency timer prevents a device with > > a large internal buffer from sending long > > bursts, which else might cause overruns > > in receive buffers of other devices. > > ... but this is (as far as I can tell) exactly what I was saying; the Well, you most probably are right. That was what you were saying. But having the Latency Timer set to guarantee the NCR's instruction fetches at a rate of a few million a second (it takes 12 clocks to execute an instruction, which is equivalent to a cycle time of 360ns) seemed so strange an idea, that I didn't think you really meant that :-) > latency timer defines how long another device can hog the bus. If the > 810 wants the bus every us (it may not, I'm just using this as an > example), then the latency must be set to 1us or less so that a device > that starts a burst just before the 810 requests the bus will stop > before the 810 starves. The problem is, that the TOTAL latency of all devices had to be 12 cycles. With 3 PCI bus-masters (say: the host bridge, the NCR and an DEC 21040 based Ethernet card), the latency timer had to be set to 6 (two other devices), if there was no time lost for arbitration, and it actually had to be 0 in order to allow for arbitrarion overhead :) (The minimum PCI transaction seems to take 4 cycles with most current chip sets. This is because the address is multiplexed over the same lines as the data, and there are idle cycles required, whenever there is a change of active drivers. This does affect multi-chip chip sets, which often have different chips that drive the address information onto the PCI bus, and a data buffer (with multiple FIFOs) which takes over the address/data lines after the address has been accepted by the target of the transaction.) > If you add another 810, and assume that it comes up for a fetch just > after the first 810, which is held off by a burst from a device that > runs the full time allowed (128 bytes, not too long). Then the first 810 > gets the bus and fills its pipeline; has more than 1us expired? is > the second 810 starved? Does it actually care? No, it most likely doesn't really care. The NCR executes a few hundred instructions per SCSI command. This includes the initial selection, the sending of the command, generally at least one disconnect, several SCSI messages being sent, and of course the final status phase. The data phase is the most important phase :) and usually accounts for the largest fraction of the bytes transfered. But it does only require 2 or 4 instructions per 4KByte page (depending on the alignment of the buffer), or about one instruction per 100 microseconds. > These are the questions that would lead me to suggest backing the latency > timer down. Practical experience (offered by RG and co.) suggest that I'm > wrong, but I guess I just don't understand why 8) No, you are not wrong. But the effect of lowering the latency timer value are much more negative (because of the reduced burst lengths in case of high demand for the bus and the lost startup cycles at the end of each burst) then the longer latency that results from the NCR not being able to fetch the next instruction immediately when its done with the previous one. The instruction fetches occur when the NCR is in phases were it has to wait for the SCSI target to respond, which often takes tens of microseconds. And the actual data transfer runs with such a little number of data fetches, that it does not hold up the actual data transfer of a 10MB/s device. Things are different with WIDE or Ultra (or Ultra-WIDE :) devices, and that is why the "better" NCR chips offer instruction read-ahead or even a local 4KB SRAM on the chip for instruction and parameter storage. This makes the 53c825A and the 53c875 run for a complete SCSI command with no need to access host system RAM (except for the data transfered to/from disk :) Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 27 17:33:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA11038 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA11033 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA09127; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:02:38 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199608280032.KAA09127@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: PCI latency? (was Re: ASUS SC200 SCSI card? To: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:02:38 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, se@zpr.uni-koeln.de, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608271825.UAA04079@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> from "Stefan Esser" at Aug 27, 96 08:25:45 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stefan Esser stands accused of saying: > > Well, you most probably are right. That was what you were saying. > > But having the Latency Timer set to guarantee the NCR's instruction > fetches at a rate of a few million a second (it takes 12 clocks to > execute an instruction, which is equivalent to a cycle time of 360ns) > seemed so strange an idea, that I didn't think you really meant that :-) Uh, is that a cycle being 12 clocks/360ns? Then you _do_ want the 810 fetching about 3 million instructions a second, assuming it runs non-stop, however ... > ... then the longer latency that results from the NCR not > being able to fetch the next instruction immediately when its done > with the previous one. The instruction fetches occur when the NCR is And this answers the really critical question I had, which was whether the '810 barfs if it can't fetch when it wants to. From the sound of this it doesn't, so the issue isn't one of keeping the part alive, but keeping it happy. It all becomes clear 8) > Regards, STefan -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 27 18:27:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA13989 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13983 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA09609; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:56:57 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199608280126.KAA09609@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Config mouse in XF86 To: mgessner@aristar.com (Matthew A. Gessner) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:56:56 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, conley@eecs.ukans.edu, sln@public.jn.sd.cn, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3222E04D.41C67EA6@aristar.com> from "Matthew A. Gessner" at Aug 27, 96 07:47:25 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Matthew A. Gessner stands accused of saying: > > > > Actually, the device is configure disabled so that you _don't_ have to > > build a new kernel; just boot with the -c flag once you're installed on > > the disk and say 'enable psm0' and 'quit' at the config> prompt. > > > > The changes are recorded by the 'dset' program during the boot process, and > > you're up and running. > > > > MAN! I wish I had known about this 3 months ago!!! > > Does this apply to things like ed0 and sio2, too?? If the device is listed under userconfig then it can be enabled. If you're using the commandline version, the word 'disabled' appears somewhere. If you're using the visual mode, tab down to the bottom list and expand the the categories that are marked 'collapsed' to see what's in them. > Now that I'm done complaining about it, it was a useful thing to know > how to rebuild the kernel :) Indeed it is. > Matthew Gessner, Computer Scientist, -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 27 23:45:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA05888 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from al.imforei.apana.org.au (root@al.imforei.apana.org.au [202.12.89.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA05670 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pjchilds@localhost) by al.imforei.apana.org.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA09952; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:06:56 +0930 (CST) From: Peter Childs Message-Id: <199608280636.QAA09952@al.imforei.apana.org.au> Subject: Re: ASUS SC200 SCSI card? In-Reply-To: <199608232007.WAA22802@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> from Stefan Esser at "Aug 23, 96 10:07:17 pm" To: tips@al.imforei.apana.org.au Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:06:55 +0930 (CST) Cc: pjchilds@imforei.apana.org.au, se@zpr.uni-koeln.de, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Peter Childs writes: > > > > [ Discussion about hangs on 2.1.5-stable machine with dual ASUS SC200 > > NCR810 PCI scsi controllers follows... may be dangerous to > > mental health ] [cut] > > FreeBSD 2.1.5-STABLE #0: Fri Aug 23 11:56:26 CST 1996 > > root@:/disk2/kernel/sys/compile/AL_1.8 > > CPU: i486DX (486-class CPU) > > Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x494 > > real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) > > avail memory = 64106496 (62604K bytes) > > pcibus_setup(1): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000), mode2res=0xff (0x0e) > > pcibus_setup(2): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) > > pcibus_check: device 0 1 2 3 4 5 is there (id=04961039) > > Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: > > configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices. > > chip0 rev 49 on pci0:5 > > Hmm, a SiS chip set ... > Did you try to disable PCI performance options like burst > mode or write buffers ? > > There are some PCI chip sets that don't work reliably with > competing bus-masters and those options enabled. Well this _seems_ to have fixed it.... I've got my remote backups of three machines (isn't rsync/ssh great!) onto the MO drive, and i set news.daily running at the same time.... no lockups since. So i just changed PCI latency to 32 and disabled all those PCI burst options things :) Thanks for all the assistance guys.. I was really pulling my hair there for awhile (was about to douse in petrol and burn the thing :) Regards, Peter -- Peter Childs --- http://www.imforei.apana.org.au/~pjchilds Finger pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au for public PGP key From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 28 00:23:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA08535 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net (dns2.noc.best.net [206.86.0.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA08529; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA13250; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:23:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:23:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Amanda Chou To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Dual Pentium motherboards Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, I got some questions for you FreeBSD experts: =) 1. Does FreeBSD support dual Pentium motherboards? 2. Have anyone tried to install FreeBSD by using any of the motherboards: o ASUS P55T2P4D o Tyan S1562 Tomcat I o Supermicro P55T2S and if you have, what are your opinions about them? Thanks a bunch!! Amanda ------ achou@best.com http://www.best.com/~achou/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 28 05:48:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA24104 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 05:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po2.glue.umd.edu (po2.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA24082; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 05:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thurston.eng.umd.edu (thurston.eng.umd.edu [129.2.103.25]) by po2.glue.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09896; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by thurston.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA23225; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:48:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: thurston.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:48:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@thurston.eng.umd.edu To: Amanda Chou cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Dual Pentium motherboards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Amanda Chou wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I got some questions for you FreeBSD experts: =) > > 1. Does FreeBSD support dual Pentium motherboards? > 2. Have anyone tried to install FreeBSD by using any of the motherboards: > o ASUS P55T2P4D > o Tyan S1562 Tomcat I <-- YES!! > o Supermicro P55T2S > and if you have, what are your opinions about them? I like my Tyan with P5/166 well enough. Works fine, and the Tyan version of the NCR is at the 825 level. > > Thanks a bunch!! > > Amanda > ------ > achou@best.com > http://www.best.com/~achou/ > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 28 10:30:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA15316 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15309 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id MAA02333; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:09:02 -0500 Received: from dasa(192.2.2.199) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma002329; Wed Aug 28 13:08:59 1996 Received: from DASA/SpoolDir by dasa.ppi.com (Mercury 1.21); 28 Aug 96 13:09:06 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by DASA (Mercury 1.30); 28 Aug 96 13:08:37 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc To: Michael Smith , msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, conley@eecs.ukans.edu, sln@public.jn.sd.cn, hardware@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:08:35 +0500 Subject: Re: Config mouse in XF86 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Does this apply to things like ed0 and sio2, too?? > > If the device is listed under userconfig then it can be enabled. If you're > using the commandline version, the word 'disabled' appears somewhere. If > you're using the visual mode, tab down to the bottom list and expand the > the categories that are marked 'collapsed' to see what's in them. > > > Now that I'm done complaining about it, it was a useful thing to know > > how to rebuild the kernel :) > > Indeed it is. > > > Matthew Gessner, Computer Scientist, > > -- > ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > This may be slightly off the subject, but is the hack of scanning all four "standard" sio base addresses if only one serial port is enabled in the kernel still there? Are there any plans to fix this. It causes some of the newer ATI cards considerable grief. ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose reality. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 28 15:35:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA03846 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 15:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03835 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 15:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA16768 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Wirikidor (as2511-24.sl006.cns.vt.edu [128.173.36.109]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA01356 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:35:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:35:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199608282235.SAA01356@sable.cc.vt.edu> X-Sender: bmcgloth@mail.vt.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: "Brian D. McGlothlin" Subject: DAT or removable device? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have read just about everything I can get my hands on about backup devices for FreeBSD and still can't make a decision. I currently am not running the OS, but am about to purchase hardware to backup Win95 and in the future FreeBSD (I am a CS student at Virginia Tech), so here is your chance to steer someone in the right direction before they spend bucks. From what I read I'm assuming Adaptec's 2940 PCI SCSI Master is a good choice. Now, I have heard that 1.3/2 GB DAT drives can be bought "cheap" and I've even seen the price quotes for www.corpsys.com (which I could not access) but the ones I've seen advertised (Seagate/Conner/Archive/whoeverownsitnowWordperfectwannabe) are 5-600$, not cheap and their reliability seems to be questionable. So I've been considering a removable device such as Syquest's EZFlyer 230 and EZ135, and also, heaven forbid, Iomega's Zip drive...even the Jazz Drive looks promising. So here are my questions (sorry for the rambling): Would Syquest's EZFlyer 230/EZ135 be a good choice for backing up FreeBSD volumes or will I get less headache from a 4mm DAT? Where might I purchase a 4mm DAT that is comparable in price to the EZFlyer 230 ($300)? The AH-2940 is going to run me about $260 and I'd like to spend as close to $300 as I could on a backup device. I've worked with a 4mm Archive DAT doing backups of Novell servers and I would love to have one if the price was right. Any advice will be appreciated more than words can describe. TIA Brian D. McGlothlin bmcgloth@mail.vt.edu P.S. As of right now I'm not even sure the EZFlyer is available in a SCSI version...but the 135 would do the same. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 28 17:11:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA14871 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA14845 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id OAA07802; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:11:13 -1000 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:11:13 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199608290011.OAA07802@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: "Brian D. McGlothlin" "DAT or removable device?" (Aug 28, 6:35pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Brian D. McGlothlin" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DAT or removable device? Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } I have read just about everything I can get my hands on about backup devices } for FreeBSD and still can't make a decision. I currently am not running the } OS, but am about to purchase hardware to backup Win95 and in the future } FreeBSD (I am a CS student at Virginia Tech), so here is your chance to } steer someone in the right direction before they spend bucks. From what I } read I'm assuming Adaptec's 2940 PCI SCSI Master is a good choice. Now, I } have heard that 1.3/2 GB DAT drives can be bought "cheap" and I've even seen } the price quotes for www.corpsys.com (which I could not access) but the ones Get an 8mm Exabyte drive for $300. Cheaper, better, faster and cheaper media than anything else. Richard From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 28 17:28:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA18110 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sumter.awod.com (awod.com [198.81.225.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA18035 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tsunami..awod.com (chsm003.awod.com [206.31.146.203]) by sumter.awod.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA26697; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:28:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960829002804.00919ccc@awod.com> X-Sender: klam@awod.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:28:04 -0400 To: "Brian D. McGlothlin" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org From: Ken Lam Subject: Re: DAT or removable device? Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Would Syquest's EZFlyer 230/EZ135 be a good choice for backing up FreeBSD >volumes or will I get less headache from a 4mm DAT? If you don't have alot to backup. The point of a backup device is ease of backups, reliability, and cost of media. (plus restore time). the EZ's are too small IMHO to be a useful backup. I used to have a 1/4" 150 Archive (from SUN) but that got to small and the tapes weren't cheap (though extremely reliable!). I looked at DATs, for main systems I use DATs (cheap, reliable [not as good as DLTs...but... cheap], inexpensive media, and fairly fast restores). But for personal work, plus the need for other fast exchangable storage, I use my Jazz drive. 1GB... it is fast, small (doesn't have any real reliability ratings from the "field" yet, and media is a little expensive), but it is a hard drive. Not as rugged as a DAT (can't drop the cart. and _expect_ it to work). >Where might I purchase a 4mm DAT that is comparable in price to the EZFlyer >230 ($300)? haven't seen em at $300, except refurbs at $350 for a 2GB DAT. >The AH-2940 is going to run me about $260 and I'd like to spend as close to >$300 as I could on a backup device. I've worked with a 4mm Archive DAT >doing backups of Novell servers and I would love to have one if the price >was right. Any advice will be appreciated more than words can describe. The 2940 should only cost you $170, but I'll sell you one for $260 :) You can get an internal JAZZ for $380, but carts cost ~$100 per cart. -Ken --- Ken Lam lam@awod.com Integrated Technical Systems Systems, Networks, and Internet Solutions -- Defining Technology Today "'Plug and Play' was only applicable to the original ATARI(tm)" From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 28 17:39:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA20526 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA20511 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA16092; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:02:23 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199608290032.KAA16092@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: DAT or removable device? To: bmcgloth@mail.vt.edu (Brian D. McGlothlin) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:02:22 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199608282235.SAA01356@sable.cc.vt.edu> from "Brian D. McGlothlin" at Aug 28, 96 06:35:18 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian D. McGlothlin stands accused of saying: > > I have read just about everything I can get my hands on about backup devices > for FreeBSD and still can't make a decision. I currently am not running the > OS, but am about to purchase hardware to backup Win95 and in the future > FreeBSD (I am a CS student at Virginia Tech), so here is your chance to > steer someone in the right direction before they spend bucks. Smart move 8) > From what I > read I'm assuming Adaptec's 2940 PCI SCSI Master is a good choice. Now, I Unnecessary for your application. Get an NCR-810-based card and save your readies. You should be able to walk away with one for about US$60 or so. > have heard that 1.3/2 GB DAT drives can be bought "cheap" and I've even seen > the price quotes for www.corpsys.com (which I could not access) but the ones > I've seen advertised > (Seagate/Conner/Archive/whoeverownsitnowWordperfectwannabe) are 5-600$, not > cheap and their reliability seems to be questionable. So I've been DDS-2 units are _the_ economy backup devices. Do _not_ be fooled into buying anything else. You should try people like ISN (www.isn.com), NecX (www.necx.com) and of course Pricewatch (www.pricewatch.com). A careful investment here (eg. Sony, HP, WangDAT) will give you a unit you will be able to count on for years to come. > considering a removable device such as Syquest's EZFlyer 230 and EZ135, and > also, heaven forbid, Iomega's Zip drive...even the Jazz Drive looks > promising. So here are my questions (sorry for the rambling): > > Would Syquest's EZFlyer 230/EZ135 be a good choice for backing up FreeBSD > volumes or will I get less headache from a 4mm DAT? Cartridge disks are not economical backup units. > Where might I purchase a 4mm DAT that is comparable in price to the EZFlyer > 230 ($300)? ... take the EFZ and add enough (~20) disks to compare with a 4G DDS-2 tape, and then re-cost the exercise. Then imagine shuffling those disks through every time you want to make a backup. > The AH-2940 is going to run me about $260 and I'd like to spend as close to > $300 as I could on a backup device. I've worked with a 4mm Archive DAT > doing backups of Novell servers and I would love to have one if the price > was right. Any advice will be appreciated more than words can describe. Well, if you save yourself about $200 on the 2940, you'll have about $500 to spend on a DAT. Go for it! > Brian D. McGlothlin > > P.S. As of right now I'm not even sure the EZFlyer is available in a SCSI > version...but the 135 would do the same. It is, but don't. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 28 17:44:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA21243 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m4.stox.pr.mcs.net (stox.pr.mcs.net [204.137.243.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21226 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.stox.pr.mcs.net [127.0.0.1]) by m4.stox.pr.mcs.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA00658; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:44:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:44:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org cc: "Brian D. McGlothlin" Subject: Re: DAT or removable device? In-Reply-To: <199608290011.OAA07802@pegasus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Exabytes past the 8200 are fine, but do NOT get an 8200. In fact I run an 8500C at home. The 8200's had problems with some SCSI drivers and do not offer the features the later models do ( ie. reloadable firmware, compression, and fast seek to file mark ). Also, if you buy one used, make sure that it has not had a great deal of hours on it, otherwise a new head assembly will surely be in you near term future. Treated well, the exabytes are an extremely good deal, especially if you are going to store alot of tapes. Data grade 8mm tapes are running a little over $8 these days. Not bad for 5-10Gigabytes of storage. You also find the media very robust. The robustness of the 8mm tapes was demonstrated quite clearly to me soon after I started working at Fermilab. I was shocked to find old fashioned phone with real magnetic bells in them. After some discussion, one of my co-workers clued me into some tests they had run themselves. I needed to see this for myself, so I wrote out a couple of gigs of data on an 8mm tape, and placed it under the phone. After letting the phone ring some twenty or so times, I took the tape back to one of the machines and tried to read it. NO errors. I was amazed. One of these days, I'd like to stick one in an anti-proton beam. It would probably be vaporized, but you never know. :-) ______________________________________________________________________________ Ken Stox ICBMnet: 41:48:8N 88:3:26W email: stox@mcs.net MaBellNet: (630) 969-8109 ______________________________________________________________________________ On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Richard Foulk wrote: > } I have read just about everything I can get my hands on about backup devices > } for FreeBSD and still can't make a decision. I currently am not running the > } OS, but am about to purchase hardware to backup Win95 and in the future > } FreeBSD (I am a CS student at Virginia Tech), so here is your chance to > } steer someone in the right direction before they spend bucks. From what I > } read I'm assuming Adaptec's 2940 PCI SCSI Master is a good choice. Now, I > } have heard that 1.3/2 GB DAT drives can be bought "cheap" and I've even seen > } the price quotes for www.corpsys.com (which I could not access) but the ones > > Get an 8mm Exabyte drive for $300. Cheaper, better, faster and cheaper > media than anything else. > > > Richard > From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 28 19:49:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA05678 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA05661 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA00633; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:48:54 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608290248.TAA00633@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: DAT or removable device? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bmcgloth@mail.vt.edu, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199608290032.KAA16092@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from Michael Smith at "Aug 29, 96 10:02:22 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ... > > > From what I > > read I'm assuming Adaptec's 2940 PCI SCSI Master is a good choice. Now, I > > Unnecessary for your application. Get an NCR-810-based card and save your > readies. You should be able to walk away with one for about US$60 or so. Spend just a little bit more than the $60.00 (more like $72.00) and get your self an NCR 53C810 based controller _with_ active termination. The real low cost ones are using passive termination which is not such a grand idea if you plan to run fast SCSI-II devices. Other than that I pretty much agree with the replies you have seen so far. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 28 19:54:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA06060 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hp.com (hp.com [15.255.152.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06044 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srmail.sr.hp.com by hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA179367173; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:52:53 -0700 Received: from hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com by srmail.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA199907172; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:52:52 -0700 Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA243977172; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:52:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199608290252.AA243977172@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com> To: "Brian D. McGlothlin" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DAT or removable device? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:35:18 EDT." <199608282235.SAA01356@sable.cc.vt.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:52:51 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > steer someone in the right direction before they spend bucks. From what I > read I'm assuming Adaptec's 2940 PCI SCSI Master is a good choice. Now, I Another possibility is a cheap NCR/Symbios-based SCSI card, which gives performance comparable to an Adaptec 2940, but at *MUCH* lower prices. If you have a motherboard with an on-board NCR BIOS, the SCSI controller (without BIOS) will cost around $80 (don't be misled by the cheap price -- it really is a decent card); if you don't have an on-board NCR BIOS, a controller with BIOS will run around $105 (Data Technology DTC3130B, from NECX). I've got the DTC3130B, and it works well under FreeBSD 2.1R, FreeBSD 2.2-snap-960801, and Windows 95. However, there are some downsides that come to mind: * Finding an NCR/Symbios-based card can be difficult. Most places don't carry them for one reason or another (personally, I think the profit margins are higher for the name-brand Adaptec, and so vendors push the Adaptec). * Supposedly, the NCR/Symbios-based cards don't perform well under heavy loads, such as when you have three or more disks being accessed *simultaneously*. This isn't an issue for most people. * Under plain MSDOS (not an MSDOS session under Win95), the NCR ASPI drivers use up more memory than Adaptec's ASPI drivers. This isn't an issue under a Win95 MSDOS session, as Win95 loads the ASPI drivers into extended memory, and doesn't use any precious low/high memory. -- Darryl Okahata Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 28 20:11:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA07267 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA07261 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id RAA08662; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:07:52 -1001 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:07:52 -1001 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199608290308.RAA08662@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: "Rodney W. Grimes" "Re: DAT or removable device?" (Aug 28, 7:48pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Rodney W. Grimes" , msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Subject: Re: DAT or removable device? Cc: bmcgloth@mail.vt.edu, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } > } > > From what I } > > read I'm assuming Adaptec's 2940 PCI SCSI Master is a good choice. Now, I } > } > Unnecessary for your application. Get an NCR-810-based card and save your } > readies. You should be able to walk away with one for about US$60 or so. } } Spend just a little bit more than the $60.00 (more like $72.00) and get your } self an NCR 53C810 based controller _with_ active termination. The real } low cost ones are using passive termination which is not such a grand idea } if you plan to run fast SCSI-II devices. } The NCR controllers appear to be quite hard to find. When you folks recommend a particular one please give a source if possible. Thanks Richard From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 28 20:14:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA07527 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA07520 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id RAA08700; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:14:14 -1000 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:14:14 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199608290314.RAA08700@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Darryl Okahata "Re: DAT or removable device?" (Aug 28, 7:52pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DAT or removable device? Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } * Supposedly, the NCR/Symbios-based cards don't perform well under heavy } loads, such as when you have three or more disks being accessed } *simultaneously*. This isn't an issue for most people. This appears to be hearsay. No numbers have been presented. Richard From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 28 21:21:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA12407 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA12394 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA00788; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:20:50 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608290420.VAA00788@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: DAT or removable device? To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, bmcgloth@mail.vt.edu, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608290308.RAA08662@pegasus.com> from Richard Foulk at "Aug 28, 96 05:07:52 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > } > > } > > From what I > } > > read I'm assuming Adaptec's 2940 PCI SCSI Master is a good choice. Now, I > } > > } > Unnecessary for your application. Get an NCR-810-based card and save your > } > readies. You should be able to walk away with one for about US$60 or so. > } > } Spend just a little bit more than the $60.00 (more like $72.00) and get your > } self an NCR 53C810 based controller _with_ active termination. The real > } low cost ones are using passive termination which is not such a grand idea > } if you plan to run fast SCSI-II devices. > } > > The NCR controllers appear to be quite hard to find. When you folks > recommend a particular one please give a source if possible. I didn't give a source for it, as that would be tooting my own horn, but if you must have one.... XX. ASI ASUS-SC-200 SC-200 NCR 53C810 fast SCSI-2 controller $ 75.00 or if you need one with a BIOS on it: (I don't stock these though) XX. TMG DTC12671 DTC 3130B NCR 53C810 fast SCSI-2 controller w/BIOS $ 118.00 -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 28 21:32:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA13238 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hp.com (hp.com [15.255.152.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA13227 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srmail.sr.hp.com by hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA262553122; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:32:03 -0700 Received: from hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com by srmail.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA222803121; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:32:02 -0700 Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA251423121; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:32:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199608290432.AA251423121@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com> To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DAT or removable device? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:07:52 -1001." <199608290308.RAA08662@pegasus.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:32:01 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The NCR controllers appear to be quite hard to find. When you folks > recommend a particular one please give a source if possible. How about NECX: http://www.necx.com [ I don't like their web site, but their prices can be respectable. Their shipping methods are pretty weird, though. The parts you order may be scattered in different warehouses across the country, and so a single order can result in multiple packages, delivered at different times. Also, I don't think I received a complete invoice for what I ordered, although everything did arrive reasonably quickly. Not a good sign, normally, but I'd order from them again. ] NECX sells the Data Technology DTC3130B (NCR-815-based w/BIOS -- see http://www.datatechnology.com) for around US$105. That's what I bought, and it's working like a champ under FreeBSD and Win95. Insight (http://www.insight.com) also sells the DTC3130B, but they were out of stock when I called. [ Insight is probably the better of these two vendors. ] Note that the DTC3130B appears to have passive termination. However, this isn't a problem for me, as I have to disable the controller's termination anyway (I've got both internal and external devices). -- Darryl Okahata Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 28 21:33:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA13305 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA13283 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA00814; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:33:05 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608290433.VAA00814@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: DAT or removable device? To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199608290314.RAA08700@pegasus.com> from Richard Foulk at "Aug 28, 96 05:14:14 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > } * Supposedly, the NCR/Symbios-based cards don't perform well under heavy > } loads, such as when you have three or more disks being accessed > } *simultaneously*. This isn't an issue for most people. > > This appears to be hearsay. No numbers have been presented. This is not hearsay. I can't give you numbers that mean a whole lot, they are from running a PCI bus analyzer. The busier a NCR 53Cxxx gets the more PCI bandwidth, and host memory bandwidth gets eaten up. And I am not talking about the data transfer bandwidth (though that is the majority of the PCI traffic), but the microcode fetch bandwidth. I do not recommend running lots of drives or lots of 53C8xx's in a machine for that very reason, UNLESS lower cost is an objective and performance can suffer by reducing the cost. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 28 21:40:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA14242 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hp.com (hp.com [15.255.152.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14219 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srmail.sr.hp.com by hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA272213607; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:40:07 -0700 Received: from hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com by srmail.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA223383606; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:40:06 -0700 Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA252923606; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:40:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199608290440.AA252923606@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com> To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DAT or removable device? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:14:14 -1000." <199608290314.RAA08700@pegasus.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:40:05 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > } * Supposedly, the NCR/Symbios-based cards don't perform well under heavy > } loads, such as when you have three or more disks being accessed > } *simultaneously*. This isn't an issue for most people. > > This appears to be hearsay. No numbers have been presented. That's why I said, "supposedly". I've got an NCR-based controller, and I REALLY like it, but I'd be remiss if I didn't list any possible drawbacks mentioned by the respectable folks here. ;-) Does anyone know of any good SCSI subsystem benchmarking programs (heavy loading of multiple disks, etc.)? -- Darryl Okahata Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 28 23:35:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA19272 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tide19.microsoft.com (tide19.microsoft.com [131.107.3.29]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA19254 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by tide19.microsoft.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BB9539.77D67B00@tide19.microsoft.com>; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:34:33 -0700 Message-ID: From: Thomas Pfenning To: "'Rodney W. Grimes'" Cc: "'richard@pegasus.com'" , "'freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: RE: DAT or removable device? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:33:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Encoding: 43 TEXT Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk That is an interesting measuring method. The August issue of Byte published a comparison of Ultra SCSI adapters and they had the AHA-2940 Ultra wide and a Symbios 53C875 based board on the test. They tested it with 8 drives and at least the 53C875 matches or beats the Adaptec in all tests. The Adaptec actually came in last in accumulated bandwidth. These tests where performed under Novell Netware, however, the accumulated > 36MB/s with 8 disks on a single UltraSCSI card seem to indicate that this is pretty close to the saturation of the SCSI bus. Of course, the Adaptec came in first with the highest price:-) Cheers Thomas >---------- >From: Rodney W. Grimes[SMTP:rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com] >Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 1996 9:33 PM >To: richard@pegasus.com >Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org >Subject: Re: DAT or removable device? > >> } * Supposedly, the NCR/Symbios-based cards don't perform well under heavy >> } loads, such as when you have three or more disks being accessed >> } *simultaneously*. This isn't an issue for most people. >> >> This appears to be hearsay. No numbers have been presented. > >This is not hearsay. I can't give you numbers that mean a whole lot, >they are from running a PCI bus analyzer. The busier a NCR 53Cxxx >gets the more PCI bandwidth, and host memory bandwidth gets eaten >up. And I am not talking about the data transfer bandwidth (though >that is the majority of the PCI traffic), but the microcode fetch >bandwidth. > >I do not recommend running lots of drives or lots of 53C8xx's in a machine >for that very reason, UNLESS lower cost is an objective and performance can >suffer by reducing the cost. > >-- >Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com >Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD > From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 03:30:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA00734 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 03:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA00727 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 03:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id AAA22838; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:30:09 -1000 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:30:09 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199608291030.AAA22838@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Thomas Pfenning "RE: DAT or removable device?" (Aug 28, 11:33pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "'freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: RE: DAT or removable device? [Symbios 53C875 controller] Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } } That is an interesting measuring method. The August issue of Byte } published a comparison of Ultra SCSI adapters and they had the AHA-2940 } Ultra wide and a Symbios 53C875 based board on the test. They tested it } with 8 drives and at least the 53C875 matches or beats the Adaptec in } all tests. The Adaptec actually came in last in accumulated bandwidth. } These tests where performed under Novell Netware, however, the } accumulated > 36MB/s with 8 disks on a single UltraSCSI card seem to } indicate that this is pretty close to the saturation of the SCSI bus. } } Of course, the Adaptec came in first with the highest price:-) } Cool. Where can this board be found, and how well does it work with FreeBSD? Thanks Richard From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 05:54:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA06596 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 05:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tbd.gfoster.com (dyna237.intr.net [204.157.123.237]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA06586 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 05:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gfoster@localhost) by tbd.gfoster.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id IAA12374; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:52:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Glen Foster Message-Id: <199608291252.IAA12374@tbd.gfoster.com> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: NCR 53C8xx based controllers Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Since this subject comes up often and information on which cards use these chips is thin, I am going to try to consolidate some information for the handbook (much like the DEC PCI ethernet controller chipset). Please e-mail me, not the list, the makes and models of any NCR-based controllers you are using/know about in the following format: make,model,chipset,termination (active/passive),on-board BIOS (yes/no),comment for example: Asus,SC-200,53C810,active,no,URL: http://www.asus.com.tw/FTP/ASUS/Info/Spec/pci-sc200.txt DTC,DTC3130B,53C815,active,yes,URL: http://www.datatechnology.com/ (Gleefully stolen from Rod's and Richard Foulk's postings of yesterday.) Obviously, I won't be able to compile them all but it should be helpful for those trying to buy one of these from a clueless vendor who doesn't know what parts his cards are made from (better one should patronize a cluefull vendor, like Rod Grimes, for lots of reasons but that is not always possible). I will summarize this information for the list and submit it to John Feiber for inclusion in the handbook. Thanks, Glen Foster From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 07:57:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA12252 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egeo.unipg.it (egeo.unipg.it [141.250.1.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA12247; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by egeo.unipg.it (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/MH-1.09) id AA28170; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:56:42 +0200 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:56:42 +0200 From: peppe@unipg.it (Giuseppe Vitillaro) Message-Id: <9608291456.AA28170@egeo.unipg.it> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Plasmon 4220/4400 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I would like to know if the Plasmon CD writers 4220(2X)/4400/(4X) work with the current version of FreeBSD. Thank, Peppe. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 08:43:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA14395 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hp.com (hp.com [15.255.152.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14387 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srmail.sr.hp.com by hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA276123183; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:39:43 -0700 Received: from hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com by srmail.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA205793182; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:39:42 -0700 Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA116373181; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:39:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199608291539.AA116373181@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com> To: Thomas Pfenning Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DAT or removable device? Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:39:41 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > That is an interesting measuring method. The August issue of Byte > published a comparison of Ultra SCSI adapters and they had the AHA-2940 > Ultra wide and a Symbios 53C875 based board on the test. They tested it > with 8 drives and at least the 53C875 matches or beats the Adaptec in > all tests. The Adaptec actually came in last in accumulated bandwidth. I think the 875 has on-chip/board RAM, and so it doesn't have to go to the PCI bus for microcode, unlike the 810/815 (and 825???). -- Darryl Okahata Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 12:18:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA28029 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net (dns2.noc.best.net [206.86.0.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28011; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA17739; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:17:52 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:17:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Amanda Chou To: questions@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: netboot.rom Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk FreeBSD comes with source for building netboot.rom, which is a 16K rommable image. We can't seem to find any docs on _what kind_ of PROM, EEPROM, or whatever we can use in the various cards. Ideally we'd like to use el-cheapo no-name NE2000 cards for development, but also want to know for other supported cards (e.g. 3c509). We have called 3Com and other manufacturers, as well as some additional companies, and have been unable to encounter anyone with sufficient clue to answer. (We know they're in there, but they're well-hidden.) A company we were referred to, LanWorks Technologies, who we were referred to by 3Com, said that they know, but aren't about to tell. (They saw us as some sort of threat to their business of writing software for these things.) Alternatively, does anyone know of inexpensive PROM-based ISA boot cards, which (ideally) hold more than 16K, and could be used instead of a LAN-card based boot prom? Thanks a lot! Amanda ------ achou@best.com http://www.best.com/~achou/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 12:49:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA00103 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xioa.cosmic.org (root@xioa.cosmic.org [206.151.181.200]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA29990; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jwb@localhost) by xioa.cosmic.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA28061; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:55:37 GMT From: fubar Message-Id: <199608291555.PAA28061@xioa.cosmic.org> Subject: PS/2 mouse on Dell XPi 90ST dock station To: questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, sos@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:55:36 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to use the PS/2 mouse port on a Dell docking station to free up the serial port. /dev/psm0 works with the track ball when the laptop is undocked. /dev/cuaa1 works with a mouse plugged into the serial port. If I try to use teh PS/2 connector though, I get no response from the mouse. Windows 95 has no problem with it and reports the same IRQ (12) that psm0 is configured for. I'm trying to use the PS/2 mouse port on a Dell docking station to free up the serial port. /dev/psm0 works with the track ball when the laptop is undocked. /dev/cuaa0 works with a mouse plugged into the serial port. If I try to use the PS/2 connector though, I get no response from the mouse. Windows 95 has no problem with it and reports the same IRQ (12) that psm0 is configured for. I configured the kernel as instructed (trackball works). I am using FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE. Greatful for any help. I'm out of ideas. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 13:11:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA01819 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01780; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA07906; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:10:46 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:10:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199608292010.OAA07906@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: fubar Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, sos@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PS/2 mouse on Dell XPi 90ST dock station In-Reply-To: <199608291555.PAA28061@xioa.cosmic.org> References: <199608291555.PAA28061@xioa.cosmic.org> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm trying to use the PS/2 mouse port on a Dell docking station to free up > the serial port. /dev/psm0 works with the track ball when the laptop is > undocked. So far so good. > /dev/cuaa1 works with a mouse plugged into the serial port. Unrelated, but good. > If I try to use teh PS/2 connector though, I get no response from the > mouse. Windows 95 has no problem with it and reports the same IRQ > (12) that psm0 is configured for. Do you do a 'cold reboot'? My laptop won't recognize the external PS/2 mouse work unless I power cycle the machine first. Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 14:43:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA07545 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tide21.microsoft.com (tide21.microsoft.com [131.107.3.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07531 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by tide21.microsoft.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BB95B8.6DB0B940@tide21.microsoft.com>; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:43:22 -0700 Message-ID: From: Thomas Pfenning To: "'freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org'" , "'richard@pegasus.com'" Subject: RE: DAT or removable device? [Symbios 53C875 controller] Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:43:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Encoding: 41 TEXT Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a Tyan Yorktown which is a 825 with on board bios and it works great with FreeBSD. Tekram has a 875 board and does have a driver for FreeBSD on their website. Sorry I do not have any experience with it. I recall that Stefan Esser was going to work on generic support for the 875. Cheers Thomas >---------- >From: richard@pegasus.com[SMTP:richard@pegasus.com] >Sent: Thursday, August 29, 1996 3:30 AM >To: 'freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org' >Subject: RE: DAT or removable device? [Symbios 53C875 controller] > >} >} That is an interesting measuring method. The August issue of Byte >} published a comparison of Ultra SCSI adapters and they had the AHA-2940 >} Ultra wide and a Symbios 53C875 based board on the test. They tested it >} with 8 drives and at least the 53C875 matches or beats the Adaptec in >} all tests. The Adaptec actually came in last in accumulated bandwidth. >} These tests where performed under Novell Netware, however, the >} accumulated > 36MB/s with 8 disks on a single UltraSCSI card seem to >} indicate that this is pretty close to the saturation of the SCSI bus. >} >} Of course, the Adaptec came in first with the highest price:-) >} > >Cool. Where can this board be found, and how well does it work with >FreeBSD? > > >Thanks > >Richard > From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 15:55:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA13443 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.frihet.com (root@frihet.bayarea.net [205.219.92.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13434 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.frihet.com (tweten@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.frihet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA04000; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608292253.PAA04000@ns.frihet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 Reply-To: "David E. Tweten" To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: brandon@tombstone.sunrem.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 3COM network cards.. Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:53:43 -0700 From: "David E. Tweten" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com said: >I have qualified the following products for use in systems I build: >XX. TMG SMC9332DST SMC 10/100MB DEC 21140 ethernet (OEM) $ 145.00 Does your PCI 10/100 recommendation mean you believe that the best EISA 10/100 card for FreeBSD is its companion, the SMC9232DST? -- David E. Tweten | 2047-bit PGP Key fingerprint: | tweten@frihet.com 12141 Atrium Drive | E9 59 E7 5C 6B 88 B8 90 | tweten@and.com Saratoga, CA 95070-3162 | 65 30 2A A4 A0 BC 49 AE | (408) 446-4131 From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 16:09:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14291 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14281 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA02070; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:08:45 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608292308.QAA02070@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 3COM network cards.. To: tweten@frihet.com Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: brandon@tombstone.sunrem.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199608292253.PAA04000@ns.frihet.com> from "David E. Tweten" at "Aug 29, 96 03:53:43 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com said: > >I have qualified the following products for use in systems I build: > >XX. TMG SMC9332DST SMC 10/100MB DEC 21140 ethernet (OEM) $ 145.00 > > Does your PCI 10/100 recommendation mean you believe that the best EISA > 10/100 card for FreeBSD is its companion, the SMC9232DST? No it does not. I don't have a recommendation for EISA, other than to replace your >2 year EISA technology with PCI. You can probably buy a new motherboard and the SMC9332 for what the SMC9232 would cost you. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 17:03:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA17510 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.frihet.com (root@frihet.bayarea.net [205.219.92.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17505 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.frihet.com (tweten@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.frihet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA04314; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608300000.RAA04314@ns.frihet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 Reply-To: "David E. Tweten" To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: brandon@tombstone.sunrem.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 3COM network cards.. Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:00:45 -0700 From: "David E. Tweten" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com said: >You can probably buy a new motherboard and the SMC9332 for what the >SMC9232 would cost you. Does that apply to a PCI/EISA motherboard-with-processor that has at least 2 PCI slots and 3 EISA slots as well as it does to PCI/ISA motherboards? If so, I'd have to add 32 megabytes of parity memory, a PCI color graphics adapter good for 1280x960x8 bits at 70 Hz or better, and possibly a new 450-watt power supply (P6s do require 3 volts, don't they?) to that side of the equation too. Now if the relationship could only hold for PCI/ISA motherboards, then it would have to be modified to include all the previous stuff plus three PCI SCSI-II adapters and an upgrade to a 5-PCI-slot-or-better motherboard. Of course, the number of PCI slots could be reduced by two by going to a PCI wide or very wide SCSI adapter, but then I'd have to consider the cost of disks too. Let's see. What would I have left? The box, I think. When everything is included, it's a somewhat different question than the one you answered, which is why I asked about the SMC9232DST in the first place. -- David E. Tweten | 2047-bit PGP Key fingerprint: | tweten@frihet.com 12141 Atrium Drive | E9 59 E7 5C 6B 88 B8 90 | tweten@and.com Saratoga, CA 95070-3162 | 65 30 2A A4 A0 BC 49 AE | (408) 446-4131 From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 17:21:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA18453 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA18439 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA02151; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:20:36 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608300020.RAA02151@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 3COM network cards.. To: tweten@frihet.com Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Cc: brandon@tombstone.sunrem.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199608300000.RAA04314@ns.frihet.com> from "David E. Tweten" at "Aug 29, 96 05:00:45 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com said: > >You can probably buy a new motherboard and the SMC9332 for what the > >SMC9232 would cost you. > > Does that apply to a PCI/EISA motherboard-with-processor that has at least > 2 PCI slots and 3 EISA slots as well as it does to PCI/ISA motherboards? No. Why on earth would you still want EISA, I just told you to trash your >2 year old technology. It's life is over as far as I and most other resellers are concerned, especially if you want to start playing with 100Mb/s networking, even if you put the EISA SMC9232DST in there your memory to memory bcopy speed is going to be so slow that it just won't be what you expected performance wise. > If so, I'd have to add 32 megabytes of parity memory, Why do you have to ``add 32 MB'', don't you already have memory? Oh.. it's probably 30 pin simms, well, toss that in the trash can too (softly though, the used market is paying about $25.00 stick for 4MB 30 pinners). lets salvage $200.00 from your old memory and buy: XX. CHP SIMM-16MB-4MBx36-60 Memory, SIMM, 4MBx36 - 60nS FPM $ 117.00 XX. CHP SIMM-16MB-4MBx36-60 Memory, SIMM, 4MBx36 - 60nS FPM $ 117.00 That ended up costing you $34.00. > a PCI color graphics > adapter good for 1280x960x8 bits at 70 Hz or better, The PCI graphics adapter is going to cost you: XX. MSI VI-CX-V64PCI Video Card, Cardex, S3/764(TRIO), 2MB DRAM $ 86.00 and it will blow doors on whatever EISA card you have... > and possibly a new > 450-watt power supply (P6s do require 3 volts, don't they?) to that side of > the equation too. Who said P6's, you went way over board. And no, P6's don't require any special power supply unless you go ATX form factor. The chip actually runs on 2.1 to 3.5V depending on the version of the chip, and the motherboard has on board regulation that chops the 5V down. Keep your case and your 450W power supply. > Now if the relationship could only hold for PCI/ISA motherboards, then it > would have to be modified to include all the previous stuff plus three PCI > SCSI-II adapters and an upgrade to a 5-PCI-slot-or-better motherboard. Of > course, the number of PCI slots could be reduced by two by going to a PCI > wide or very wide SCSI adapter, but then I'd have to consider the cost of > disks too. Or going to an aha3940 (ouch, that's spending), but it sounds like you have a huge NFS engine of some sort and your going to try and make it ship bits out at 100Mb/s. Well, I am here to tell you your aging EISA 486 system is _not_ going to be able to do much more than 25Mb/s due to a slow memory channel. Don't waste your money on an EISA ethernet card for it... > > Let's see. What would I have left? The box, I think. When everything is > included, it's a somewhat different question than the one you answered, > which is why I asked about the SMC9232DST in the first place. And I answered your question you posed to me about the 9232DST, no I do not recommend it, I don't have any experience with it. And then I told you what I did recommend. If you don't like my recommendations, don't follow them, no sweat off my back, but don't complain to me about not liking what I recommend. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 17:38:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA19427 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.frihet.com (root@frihet.bayarea.net [205.219.92.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA19418 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.frihet.com (tweten@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.frihet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA04523; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608300037.RAA04523@ns.frihet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 Reply-To: "David E. Tweten" To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: brandon@tombstone.sunrem.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 3COM network cards.. Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:37:50 -0700 From: "David E. Tweten" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com said: >And I answered your question you posed to me about the 9232DST, no I >do not recommend it, I don't have any experience with it. Actually, you didn't answer the question I asked. To quote my original message, tweten@ns.frihet.com said: >Does your PCI 10/100 recommendation mean you believe that the best >EISA 10/100 card for FreeBSD is its companion, the SMC9232DST? You'll note that I didn't ask if it was the best card without qualification. I asked if it was the best EISA adapter. Thanks for your responses anyway; your second effort provided me with some useful, if unexpected information. -- David E. Tweten | 2047-bit PGP Key fingerprint: | tweten@frihet.com 12141 Atrium Drive | E9 59 E7 5C 6B 88 B8 90 | tweten@and.com Saratoga, CA 95070-3162 | 65 30 2A A4 A0 BC 49 AE | (408) 446-4131 From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 18:27:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA21739 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 18:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from public.jn.sd.cn (public.jn.sd.cn [202.102.128.111]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA21730 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 18:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FreeBSD.jn.sd.cn (ppp15.jn.sd.cn [202.102.129.15]) by public.jn.sd.cn (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA00741 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:28:21 +0900 Message-ID: <32264389.41C67EA6@public.jn.sd.cn> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:27:37 +0800 From: Song Lining Organization: Data Communications Branch, Jinan Telecom. P.R.China X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe -- ¢ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 18:50:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA23010 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 18:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22998; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 18:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA21545; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:19:57 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199608300149.LAA21545@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: netboot.rom To: achou@best.com (Amanda Chou) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:19:56 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Amanda Chou" at Aug 29, 96 12:17:52 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amanda Chou stands accused of saying: > > > FreeBSD comes with source for building netboot.rom, which > is a 16K rommable image. We can't seem to find any docs on > _what kind_ of PROM, EEPROM, or whatever we can use in the > various cards. Ideally we'd like to use el-cheapo no-name > NE2000 cards for development, but also want to know for > other supported cards (e.g. 3c509). We have called 3Com and > other manufacturers, as well as some additional companies, > and have been unable to encounter anyone with sufficient clue > to answer. (We know they're in there, but they're well-hidden.) Netboot ROMs are almost always EPROMs. In the case of a 16K netboot image, you want a 16K EPROM; one with a part number which maps well to '27128'. > A company we were referred to, LanWorks Technologies, who we > were referred to by 3Com, said that they know, but aren't about > to tell. (They saw us as some sort of threat to their business > of writing software for these things.) *LAUGH* > Alternatively, does anyone know of inexpensive PROM-based > ISA boot cards, which (ideally) hold more than 16K, and could > be used instead of a LAN-card based boot prom? ... nothing as cheap as a $30 NE2000. > Amanda -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 18:50:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA23148 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 18:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (root@orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23139 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 18:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA12252; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:49:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.webspan.net: Host gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "David E. Tweten" cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , brandon@tombstone.sunrem.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: 3COM network cards.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:53:43 PDT." <199608292253.PAA04000@ns.frihet.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:49:55 -0400 Message-ID: <12248.841369795@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "David E. Tweten" wrote in message ID <199608292253.PAA04000@ns.frihet.com>: > rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com said: > >I have qualified the following products for use in systems I build: > >XX. TMG SMC9332DST SMC 10/100MB DEC 21140 ethernet (OEM) $ 145.00 > > Does your PCI 10/100 recommendation mean you believe that the best EISA > 10/100 card for FreeBSD is its companion, the SMC9232DST? The EISA card isn't supported. I believe SMC wouldn't release programming spec's on it 'cos it was a propriatary chip. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 19:09:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA24872 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA24858 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA02348; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:08:06 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608300208.TAA02348@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 3COM network cards.. To: tweten@frihet.com Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Cc: brandon@tombstone.sunrem.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199608300037.RAA04523@ns.frihet.com> from "David E. Tweten" at "Aug 29, 96 05:37:50 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com said: > >And I answered your question you posed to me about the 9232DST, no I > >do not recommend it, I don't have any experience with it. > > Actually, you didn't answer the question I asked. To quote my original > message, YES, IT DID, IN THE FIRST 4 WORDS: > rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com said: > >I have qualified the following products for use in systems I build: > >XX. TMG SMC9332DST SMC 10/100MB DEC 21140 ethernet (OEM) $ 145.00 > > Does your PCI 10/100 recommendation mean you believe that the best EISA > 10/100 card for FreeBSD is its companion, the SMC9232DST? No it does not. I don't have a recommendation for EISA, other than to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 19:20:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25948 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.frihet.com (root@frihet.bayarea.net [205.219.92.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA25941; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.frihet.com (tweten@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.frihet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA04958; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608300220.TAA04958@ns.frihet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 Reply-To: "David E. Tweten" To: "Gary Palmer" cc: brandon@tombstone.sunrem.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 3COM network cards.. Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:20:32 -0700 From: "David E. Tweten" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Initially quoting me, gpalmer@FreeBSD.org said: >> Does your PCI 10/100 recommendation mean you believe that the best >>EISA 10/100 card for FreeBSD is its companion, the SMC9232DST? >The EISA card isn't supported. I believe SMC wouldn't release >programming spec's on it 'cos it was a propriatary chip. Thank you. That's progress. No for the follow-up. What is the EISA 10/100 ethernet card that has the best support under FreeBSD? -- David E. Tweten | 2047-bit PGP Key fingerprint: | tweten@frihet.com 12141 Atrium Drive | E9 59 E7 5C 6B 88 B8 90 | tweten@and.com Saratoga, CA 95070-3162 | 65 30 2A A4 A0 BC 49 AE | (408) 446-4131 From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 19:34:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA26723 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (root@orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26718 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA16972; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:33:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.webspan.net: Host gpalmer@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "David E. Tweten" cc: brandon@tombstone.sunrem.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: 3COM network cards.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:20:32 PDT." <199608300220.TAA04958@ns.frihet.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:33:25 -0400 Message-ID: <16969.841372405@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "David E. Tweten" wrote in message ID <199608300220.TAA04958@ns.frihet.com>: > Thank you. That's progress. No for the follow-up. What is the EISA > 10/100 ethernet card that has the best support under FreeBSD? I don't know of any (supported) EISA 100bT(X) ether cards for FreeBSD Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 29 19:43:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA27144 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.frihet.com (root@frihet.bayarea.net [205.219.92.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27136; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.frihet.com (tweten@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.frihet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA05081; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608300243.TAA05081@ns.frihet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 Reply-To: "David E. Tweten" To: "Gary Palmer" cc: brandon@tombstone.sunrem.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 3COM network cards.. Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:43:04 -0700 From: "David E. Tweten" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk gpalmer@FreeBSD.org said: >I don't know of any (supported) EISA 100bT(X) ether cards for FreeBSD Too bad, but thanks for helping. To be somewhat more specific than I was previouslyh, for anyone who might be able to think of one, what I'm interested in is the identity of the EISA burst mode bus mastering 10/100 Base T interface card that is best supported among the contenders under FreeBSD. I continue to hope that set is not null. -- David E. Tweten | 2047-bit PGP Key fingerprint: | tweten@frihet.com 12141 Atrium Drive | E9 59 E7 5C 6B 88 B8 90 | tweten@and.com Saratoga, CA 95070-3162 | 65 30 2A A4 A0 BC 49 AE | (408) 446-4131 From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 30 00:06:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA15115 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 00:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA15106; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 00:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA26956 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Fri, 30 Aug 1996 00:05:19 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA23282; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 00:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608300702.AAA23282@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "David E. Tweten" Cc: "Gary Palmer" , brandon@tombstone.sunrem.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 3COM network cards.. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:43:04 PDT." <199608300243.TAA05081@ns.frihet.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 00:02:40 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >gpalmer@FreeBSD.org said: >>I don't know of any (supported) EISA 100bT(X) ether cards for FreeBSD > >Too bad, but thanks for helping. > >To be somewhat more specific than I was previouslyh, for anyone who might >be able to think of one, what I'm interested in is the identity of the EISA >burst mode bus mastering 10/100 Base T interface card that is best >supported among the contenders under FreeBSD. I continue to hope that set >is not null. Unfortunately, it is null. I tried to get programming information for the SMC card over a year ago and was unable to without an NDA. All of my machines here are now ISA/PCI so I've lost interest in this, too. The EISA ethernet cards have typically cost in the $500-$600 range, and since PCI ethernet cards have been available cheap and programming information easy to get, it doesn't make sense to write a driver for one. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 30 00:55:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA19052 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 00:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA19027; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 00:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA25699; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:55:07 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA29857; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:55:07 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA29886; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:23:01 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199608300723.JAA29886@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Plasmon 4220/4400 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:23:01 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, peppe@unipg.it (Giuseppe Vitillaro) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9608291456.AA28170@egeo.unipg.it> from Giuseppe Vitillaro at "Aug 29, 96 04:56:42 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Giuseppe Vitillaro wrote: > I would like to know if the Plasmon CD writers > 4220(2X)/4400/(4X) work with the current version > of FreeBSD. I would expect it, but have only tested the RF4102. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 30 17:44:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA10204 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from public.jn.sd.cn (public.jn.sd.cn [202.102.128.111]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10199; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FreeBSD.jn.sd.cn (ppp43.jn.sd.cn [202.102.129.43]) by public.jn.sd.cn (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA11616; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 08:45:14 +0900 Message-ID: <32278AB8.41C67EA6@public.jn.sd.cn> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 08:44:27 +0800 From: Song Lining Organization: Data Communications Branch, Jinan Telecom. P.R.China X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ports@freebsd.org CC: fs@freebsd.org;, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: middle button in ctwm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, everyone I installed ctwm just now and it looked nice. But the problem is I can use the middle button on my serial mouse any more. I can popup menus from the left button, but can access the menus from the middle button(although I can see the menu when I click the middle button, it just appears under the pointer and flashing). Waiting for help eagerly! Song Lining