From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 7 03:16:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA02045 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 03:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pcpsj.pfcs.com (harlan.fred.net [205.252.219.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA02025 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 03:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mumps.pfcs.com (mumps.pfcs.com [192.52.69.11]) by pcpsj.pfcs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA11194 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 06:15:58 -0400 Received: from localhost by mumps.pfcs.com with SMTP id AA02268 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Oct 1996 06:15:57 -0400 To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Video card for single-sync monitors? Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 06:15:56 -0300 Message-Id: <2266.844683356@mumps.pfcs.com> From: Harlan Stenn Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a couple of Sony single-sync RGB monitors, and I was wondering if anybody knows of a video card I could use to drive these beasts with FreeBSD and XFree86. The monitors have a fixed horizontal frequence of 63.34KHz, and 60Hz vertical. One monitor runs at 1280x1024; the other is 1280x768 (or so). Any suggestions? H From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 7 03:39:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA05968 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 03:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA05956 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 03:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (RBI-Z-5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA00554; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:39:59 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA12896; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:46:00 +0100 Message-Id: <199610071046.LAA12896@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:45:59 +0100 From: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph P. Kukulies) To: Harlan.Stenn@pfcs.com (Harlan Stenn) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video card for single-sync monitors? In-Reply-To: <2266.844683356@mumps.pfcs.com>; from Harlan Stenn on Oct 7, 1996 06:15:56 -0300 References: <2266.844683356@mumps.pfcs.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Harlan Stenn writes: > I have a couple of Sony single-sync RGB monitors, and I was wondering if > anybody knows of a video card I could use to drive these beasts with > FreeBSD and XFree86. I'm running my Sony GDM 1950 (19") with an ELSA Winner 1000 (ISA) 2MB at 1280x1024 (110MHz pixel clock - somewhat between 60 and 70 KHz Horiz. Freq.). Other modern cards like W32p/PCI which are running up to 135.00 MHz would do as well but I don't have timimng values for XFree86. I'm running Xaccel. > > The monitors have a fixed horizontal frequence of 63.34KHz, and 60Hz vertical. > > One monitor runs at 1280x1024; the other is 1280x768 (or so). > > Any suggestions? > > H -- --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 7 09:06:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA08281 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08235 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id KAA12007; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:30:00 -0500 Received: from dasa(192.2.2.199) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id smarb1841; Mon Oct 7 11:27:14 1996 Received: from DASA/SpoolDir by dasa.ppi.com (Mercury 1.21); 7 Oct 96 11:27:51 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by DASA (Mercury 1.30); 7 Oct 96 10:56:45 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc To: Harlan Stenn , hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:56:36 +0500 Subject: Re: Video card for single-sync monitors? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1A642C06B0A@dasa.ppi.com> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > To: hardware@freebsd.org > I have a couple of Sony single-sync RGB monitors, and I was wondering if > anybody knows of a video card I could use to drive these beasts with > FreeBSD and XFree86. > > The monitors have a fixed horizontal frequence of 63.34KHz, and 60Hz vertical. > > One monitor runs at 1280x1024; the other is 1280x768 (or so). > > Any suggestions? > > H > I believe a company called Photon has video cards based on a Cirrus logic chip that are for fixed frequency monitors. They are called Photon Torpedos, I beleive. I've had no experience with them but they seem to support a lot of different monitors. They are expensive, though. ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose reality. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 8 21:17:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA03603 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wedge.its.utas.edu.au (cp_nairn@wedge.its.utas.edu.au [131.217.10.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA03595 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cp_nairn@localhost) by wedge.its.utas.edu.au (8.7.6/8.6.6) id PAA16161; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:17:45 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:17:44 +1100 (EST) From: Carey Nairn X-Sender: cp_nairn@wedge.its.utas.edu.au Reply-To: Carey.Nairn@its.utas.edu.au To: FreeBSD Hardware Subject: Intel 430VX (Triton III) chipset Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, anyone know of any gotchas with this chipset? I am considering getting an Asus P/I-P55TVP4 M/B with this chipset on it and would like to make an informed decision. Cheers, Carey ========================================================================= Carey Nairn ! email : Carey.Nairn@its.utas.edu.au Infrastructure Services ! phone : (03) 6226 7419 Information Technology Services ! fax : (03) 6226 7898 University of Tasmania. ! int'l : (+61 3) ========================================================================= From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 8 22:08:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA06242 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwnexus.wa.com (nwnexus.wa.com [192.135.191.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA06236 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from statsci.statsci.com by nwnexus.wa.com with SMTP id AA28309 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:08:29 -0700 Received: by statsci.statsci.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.3 #3) id m0vAptg-0005iQC; Tue, 8 Oct 96 21:05 PDT Received: (from scott@localhost) by one.sabami.seaslug.org (8.6.11/8.6.12) id VAA00578; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:14:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:14:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199610090414.VAA00578@one.sabami.seaslug.org> From: Scott Blachowicz To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: BusLogic FlashPoint drivers? Reply-To: scott@statsci.com Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, after bitching to our local sysadm folks about how we ought to complain to Micron about their putting BusLogic FlashPoints in our PCs and his forwarding of my "concerns" off to Micron and/or BusLogic, I got back a response mentioning this page: which has this text: Coming Soon -- Linux FlashPoint Driver Click here to read the press release announcing support for the FlashPoint SCSI Host Adapters on Linux. Mylex/BusLogic has provided me with a Driver Developer's Kit for the FlashPoint which includes freely redistributable source code for the SCCB Manager, the "virtual firmware" for these host adapters. This allows me to expand my present BusLogic driver to include FlashPoint support. If you'd like to be informed as soon as the FlashPoint driver is available, be sure to join the BusLogic Announcements Mailing List. and the "click here" page mentions a imminent Linux driver release. So, I was wondering if anyone's been in touch with them recently to attempt the same feat for FreeBSD. Thanx, Scott Blachowicz scott@statsci.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 8 22:20:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA06822 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06816 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA13638; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:50:18 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199610090520.OAA13638@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Intel 430VX (Triton III) chipset To: Carey.Nairn@its.utas.edu.au Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:50:17 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Carey Nairn" at Oct 9, 96 03:17:44 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Carey Nairn stands accused of saying: > > anyone know of any gotchas with this chipset? Yes. It sucks. > I am considering getting an Asus P/I-P55TVP4 M/B with this chipset on it > and would like to make an informed decision. The 'VX' chipset is the low-end "budget" Triton, designed for use with video cards that use main memory rather than their own onboard memory. Avoid it at all costs. > Carey Nairn ! email : Carey.Nairn@its.utas.edu.au -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 8 22:21:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA06885 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06871; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610090521.WAA06871@freefall.freebsd.org> To: scott@statsci.com cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BusLogic FlashPoint drivers? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 Oct 1996 21:14:10 PDT." <199610090414.VAA00578@one.sabami.seaslug.org> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 22:21:45 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I plan to look into updating our Buslogic driver to fully support of of Buslogic's multimaster cards in about a month, but I do not have any plans to work on a FlashPoint driver in the near term. I'm trying to concentrate on getting the drivers we have in the tree now up to snuff before looking for other devices to support. If you'd like to have a go at this, feel free to contact Leonard and I'm sure he can point you to the right people to get documentation from. I'm sure, as has been the case in the past, whatever information is availible to Linux developlers is also availible to BSD developers. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 8 22:41:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA08357 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08351 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id WAA10727; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA00480; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610090541.WAA00480@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Carey.Nairn@its.utas.edu.au cc: FreeBSD Hardware Subject: Re: Intel 430VX (Triton III) chipset In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 09 Oct 96 15:17:44 +1100. Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 22:41:26 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >anyone know of any gotchas with this chipset? >I am considering getting an Asus P/I-P55TVP4 M/B with this chipset on it >and would like to make an informed decision. Incidentally, the 430VX isn't "Triton-3". There is really no such thing as Triton-3. The VX came out about the same time as Triton-2, and is simply a lower-cost alternative. I don't know anyone running this chipset. So, I can't help you there. My only experience is with my two Asus motherboards: Asus P55TP4N (Triton-1) with a Pentium 120MHz - and - Asus P6NP5 (Natoma 440FX) with a Pentium Pro 200MHz Both run NetBSD and Windows NT beautifully. I would expect FreeBSD to run just as well. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 8 22:54:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA08838 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08832 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA13731; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:23:50 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199610090553.PAA13731@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: BusLogic FlashPoint drivers? To: scott@statsci.com Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:23:49 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610090414.VAA00578@one.sabami.seaslug.org> from "Scott Blachowicz" at Oct 8, 96 09:14:10 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Scott Blachowicz stands accused of saying: > > and the "click here" page mentions a imminent Linux driver release. So, I > was wondering if anyone's been in touch with them recently to attempt the > same feat for FreeBSD. A tester from Buslogic posted on -hackers a week or so back looking for details on setting up a new disk, as they were testing their FreeBSD LT driver, so I expect that they're fairly well along with it 8) > Scott Blachowicz scott@statsci.com -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 8 23:06:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA09581 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wedge.its.utas.edu.au (cp_nairn@wedge.its.utas.edu.au [131.217.10.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09568 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cp_nairn@localhost) by wedge.its.utas.edu.au (8.7.6/8.6.6) id RAA18285; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:06:02 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:59:37 +1100 (EST) From: Carey Nairn X-Sender: cp_nairn@wedge.its.utas.edu.au Reply-To: Carey.Nairn@its.utas.edu.au To: Jim Fleming cc: "Carey.Nairn@its.utas.edu.au" Subject: RE: Intel 430VX (Triton III) chipset In-Reply-To: <01BBB57C.281ECD20@webster.unety.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ReSent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:05:26 +1100 (EST) ReSent-From: Carey Nairn ReSent-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to all for the advice. I might go for a P/I-P55T2P4 board (430HX chipset). Cheers, Carey ========================================================================= | Carey Nairn | email : Carey.Nairn@its.utas.edu.au | | Infrastructure Services | phone : (03) 6226 7419 | | Information Technology Services | fax : (03) 6226 7898 | | University of Tasmania. | int'l : (+61 3) | ========================================================================= From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 9 08:39:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA02840 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02832 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA06849; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:39:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199610091539.IAA06849@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Intel 430VX (Triton III) chipset In-Reply-To: from Carey Nairn at "Oct 9, 96 03:17:44 pm" To: Carey.Nairn@its.utas.edu.au Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > anyone know of any gotchas with this chipset? First off, as others have pointed out, this is NOT Triton-III, and sales folks using that in there lit. are doing everyone a miss services. The 430VX is a low cost design alternative to the 430HX, it has a memory space restriction of 128MB, though it does add support for SDRAM and some view that as a neat feature. It also has no way that I have seen to cache above 64MB. > I am considering getting an Asus P/I-P55TVP4 M/B with this chipset on it > and would like to make an informed decision. As you state later you have opted for the PCI/I-P55T2P4 board, that would be my recomendation. If your going for a large memory space be sure to get a revision 1.6 or later board that has the support for caching >64MB by simply adding a 32kx8-15nS 5V chip to the board, the earlier versions require a special COAST module for this, the 1.6 and later do not. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 9 09:50:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA08766 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.acucobol.ie (indigo135194.indigo.ie [194.125.135.194]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08753 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by gatekeeper.acucobol.ie (8.8.0/8.7.3) id RAA01054 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:47:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from guinness.acucobol.ie(194.125.135.195) by gatekeeper.acucobol.ie via smap (V2.0beta) id xma001052; Wed, 9 Oct 96 17:47:29 +0100 Received: from guinness (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by guinness.acucobol.ie (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA03860 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:49:53 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199610091649.RAA03860@guinness.acucobol.ie> From: "John McLaughlin" To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Poor SMC Etherpower 10/100 transfer rates Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 17:49:52 +0100 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Having just recently put 4 of these in 4 new (identical) machines (P133's, with Intel 430VX chipset) running 2.1.5R, I'm experiencing some oddities when transfering files. At the moment they are being operated in 10BaseT mode, and have -link2 for ifconfig specified in sysconfig. On two of the machines, the cards work fine, but on the other two, when *receiving* data, there are delays every so often of around 1 second, the frequency of which varies, giving transfer rates of anything between 10k/s, and 500k/s. In all cases data is written (other than to the other slow machine) at just over 1Mb/s. Reading and writing to another machine running 2.1.5R with a 3C509 produced the same results, and the problem seems to be machine rather than card dependant, as I've tried swapping the cards. `ifconfig de0' shows the following: de0: flags=8863 mtu 1500 inet 194.125.135.250 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 194.125.135.255 and the boot sequence is as follows: Oct 10 00:29:29 gate-uk /kernel: FreeBSD 2.1.5-RELEASE #0: Wed Oct 2 16:23:01 B ST 1996 Oct 10 00:29:29 gate-uk /kernel: root@gate1.acucobol.ie:/usr/src/sys/compile /GATE Oct 10 00:29:29 gate-uk /kernel: CPU: 134-MHz Pentium 735\90 or 815\100 (Pentium -class CPU) Oct 10 00:29:29 gate-uk /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping =12 Oct 10 00:29:29 gate-uk /kernel: Features=0x1bf Oct 10 00:29:29 gate-uk /kernel: real memory = 16777216 (16384K bytes) Oct 10 00:29:29 gate-uk /kernel: avail memory = 15122432 (14768K bytes) Oct 10 00:29:29 gate-uk /kernel: Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: Oct 10 00:29:29 gate-uk /kernel: chip0 rev 1 on pci0:0 Oct 10 00:29:29 gate-uk /kernel: chip1 rev 1 on pci 0:7:0 Oct 10 00:29:29 gate-uk /kernel: chip2 r ev 0 on pci0:7:1 Oct 10 00:29:29 gate-uk /kernel: vga0 rev 84 int a irq 9 on pci0:17 Oct 10 00:29:29 gate-uk /kernel: ahc0 rev 3 int a irq 12 on pci0:18 Oct 10 00:29:29 gate-uk /kernel: ahc0: aic7870 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCB s Oct 10 00:29:29 gate-uk /kernel: ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle Oct 10 00:29:30 gate-uk /kernel: (ahc0:0:0): "Quantum XP32150W L912" type 0 fixe d SCSI 2 Oct 10 00:29:30 gate-uk /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 2151MB (4406960 51 2 byte sectors) Oct 10 00:29:30 gate-uk /kernel: de0 rev 18 int a irq 5 on pci0:20 Oct 10 00:29:30 gate-uk /kernel: de0: DC21140 [10-100Mb/s] pass 1.2 Ethernet add ress 00:00:c0:9a:d2:e4 Oct 10 00:29:30 gate-uk /kernel: de0: enabling 10baseT UTP port Oct 10 00:29:30 gate-uk /kernel: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: Oct 10 00:29:30 gate-uk /kernel: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard Oct 10 00:29:30 gate-uk /kernel: sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> Oct 10 00:29:30 gate-uk /kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa Oct 10 00:29:30 gate-uk /kernel: sio0: type 16550A Oct 10 00:29:30 gate-uk /kernel: sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa Oct 10 00:29:30 gate-uk /kernel: sio1: type 16550A Oct 10 00:29:30 gate-uk /kernel: lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa Oct 10 00:29:30 gate-uk /kernel: lpt0: Interrupt-driven port Oct 10 00:29:30 gate-uk /kernel: lp0: TCP/IP capable interface Oct 10 00:29:30 gate-uk /kernel: fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa Oct 10 00:29:31 gate-uk /kernel: fdc0: NEC 765 Oct 10 00:29:31 gate-uk /kernel: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in Oct 10 00:29:31 gate-uk /kernel: npx0 on motherboard Oct 10 00:29:31 gate-uk /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface Has anybody come across this before, or have any ideas. Any suggestions much appreciated. Regards, John From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 9 09:59:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA09445 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Octopussy (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09436 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr3-14.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Octopussy with SMTP id AA22273 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:58:41 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.7.6/8.6.9) id SAA03413; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:58:17 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199610091658.SAA03413@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:58:17 +0200 From: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) To: scott@statsci.com Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BusLogic FlashPoint drivers? In-Reply-To: <199610090414.VAA00578@one.sabami.seaslug.org>; from Scott Blachowicz on Oct 8, 1996 21:14:10 -0700 References: <199610090414.VAA00578@one.sabami.seaslug.org> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Scott Blachowicz writes: > Well, after bitching to our local sysadm folks about how we ought to > complain to Micron about their putting BusLogic FlashPoints in our PCs and > his forwarding of my "concerns" off to Micron and/or BusLogic, I got back > a response mentioning this page: > > > > which has this text: > > Coming Soon -- Linux FlashPoint Driver > and the "click here" page mentions a imminent Linux driver release. So, I > was wondering if anyone's been in touch with them recently to attempt the > same feat for FreeBSD. There was a request for support installing FreeBSD to a second or third hard-disk from the developer going to do the port. If you have some interest in the port, you may want to offer him your support to speed up the process :) Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 9 12:20:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA23362 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23351 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07176; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:19:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199610091919.MAA07176@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Poor SMC Etherpower 10/100 transfer rates In-Reply-To: <199610091649.RAA03860@guinness.acucobol.ie> from John McLaughlin at "Oct 9, 96 05:49:52 pm" To: John.McLaughlin@acucobol.ie (John McLaughlin) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi, > > > Having just recently put 4 of these in 4 new (identical) > machines (P133's, with Intel 430VX chipset) running 2.1.5R, I'm > experiencing some oddities when transfering files. At the moment they > are being operated in 10BaseT mode, and have -link2 for ifconfig > specified in sysconfig. I have come accross something similiar in the very early days of the SMC9332DST. It turned out to be one of the cards was bad in 10MB/s mode. Note that this bad card drug the whole network down to <500kb/s until I found it and eliminated it. The lesson learned from this was that just swapping cards does not always tell you that the cards are okay, it maybe one bad card dragging the setup down :-(. The defective card in my case was not listening to the wire before starting to transmit, this caused excess collisions on the network and everyone suffered. Even very light traffic from this node would cause serious problems for all other nodes, a simple ``ping hostname'' would drive my network peformance down the tubes :-( -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 9 13:40:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA01400 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.230.177]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01370; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.tfs.com (localhost.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA04191; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 22:39:35 +0200 (MET DST) To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: John.McLaughlin@acucobol.ie (John McLaughlin), hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Poor SMC Etherpower 10/100 transfer rates In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Oct 1996 12:19:52 PDT." <199610091919.MAA07176@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 22:39:35 +0200 Message-ID: <4189.844893575@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199610091919.MAA07176@GndRsh.aac.dev.com>, "Rodney W. Grimes" write s: >> Having just recently put 4 of these in 4 new (identical) >> machines (P133's, with Intel 430VX chipset) running 2.1.5R, I'm >> experiencing some oddities when transfering files. At the moment they >> are being operated in 10BaseT mode, and have -link2 for ifconfig >> specified in sysconfig. > >I have come accross something similiar in the very early days of the >SMC9332DST. It turned out to be one of the cards was bad in 10MB/s >mode. Note that this bad card drug the whole network down to <500kb/s >until I found it and eliminated it. I found out by accident that setting link1 on a de0 isn't a bright idea either :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 9 15:24:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA12924 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saguaro.flyingfox.com (saguaro.flyingfox.com [204.188.109.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA12919 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jas@localhost) by saguaro.flyingfox.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) id PAA26723; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:22:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:22:18 -0700 From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199610092222.PAA26723@saguaro.flyingfox.com> To: John.McLaughlin@acucobol.ie, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: Poor SMC Etherpower 10/100 transfer rates Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rod Grimes writes: > I have come accross something similiar in the very early days of > the SMC9332DST. It turned out to be one of the cards was bad in > 10MB/s mode. Note that this bad card drug the whole network > down to <500kb/s until I found it and eliminated it. > > The lesson learned from this was that just swapping cards does > not always tell you that the cards are okay, it maybe one bad > card dragging the setup down :-(. > > The defective card in my case was not listening to the wire > before starting to transmit, this caused excess collisions on > the network and everyone suffered. Even very light traffic from > this node would cause serious problems for all other nodes, a > simple ``ping hostname'' would drive my network peformance down > the tubes :-( By the most amazing coincidence (seriously), I just returned from a visit to a client, where I was trying to debug some network problems. They have about 6 hosts on an Ethernet, but 3 of them are responsible for virtually all the traffic: a FreeBSD box with the SMC9332DST in 10 Mbit mode, and 2 WindowsNT machines with Intel Ethermumble cards. Total traffic on the Ethernet was running about 2 Megabytes per minute (i.e., ballpark 3% of the theoretical maximum capacity); the FreeBSD box is reporting a 20%+ collision rate! I will now definitely try swapping out the SMC card. Just another data point .... Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 9 16:10:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA16615 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from krondor.cpn.org.au (dslip11.its.utas.edu.au [131.217.8.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16610 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from krondor.cpn.org.au (krondor.cpn.org.au [172.16.1.1]) by krondor.cpn.org.au (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA00479; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:09:34 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:09:34 +1100 (EST) From: Carey Nairn X-Sender: cp_nairn@krondor.cpn.org.au To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Intel 430VX (Triton III) chipset In-Reply-To: <199610091539.IAA06849@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > Hi, > > > > anyone know of any gotchas with this chipset? > > First off, as others have pointed out, this is NOT Triton-III, and > sales folks using that in there lit. are doing everyone a miss services. > > The 430VX is a low cost design alternative to the 430HX, it has a memory > space restriction of 128MB, though it does add support for SDRAM and some > view that as a neat feature. It also has no way that I have seen to cache > above 64MB. > > > I am considering getting an Asus P/I-P55TVP4 M/B with this chipset on it > > and would like to make an informed decision. > > As you state later you have opted for the PCI/I-P55T2P4 board, that would > be my recomendation. If your going for a large memory space be sure to > get a revision 1.6 or later board that has the support for caching >64MB > by simply adding a 32kx8-15nS 5V chip to the board, the earlier versions > require a special COAST module for this, the 1.6 and later do not. > > > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > > Thanks for your input. Even though I doubt I will be exceeding 64MB with this machine, I will still go for the PCI/I-P55T2P4 as I previously mentioned. Cheers, Carey ========================================================================= Carey Nairn ! email : Carey.Nairn@its.utas.edu.au Infrastructure Services ! phone : (002) 20 7419 Information Technology Services ! fax : (002) 20 7898 University of Tasmania. ! ========================================================================= From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 9 17:08:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA20912 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA20906 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA21196; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <325C3D9B.446B9B3D@whistle.com> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 17:04:43 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Shankland CC: John.McLaughlin@acucobol.ie, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Poor SMC Etherpower 10/100 transfer rates References: <199610092222.PAA26723@saguaro.flyingfox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jim Shankland wrote: > ballpark 3% of the theoretical maximum capacity); the FreeBSD > box is reporting a 20%+ collision rate! I will now definitely > try swapping out the SMC card. if it is reporting collisions then it's probably not teh culprit.. it's the card that doesn't see ANY collisions thatyou should be worried about. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 9 17:21:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22240 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saguaro.flyingfox.com (saguaro.flyingfox.com [204.188.109.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA22230 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jas@localhost) by saguaro.flyingfox.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA27026; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:19:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:19:19 -0700 From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199610100019.RAA27026@saguaro.flyingfox.com> To: jas@flyingfox.COM, julian@whistle.com Subject: Re: Poor SMC Etherpower 10/100 transfer rates Cc: John.McLaughlin@acucobol.ie, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From julian@whistle.com Wed Oct 9 17:05:27 1996 Return-Path: julian@whistle.com Received: (from smap@localhost) by saguaro.flyingfox.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA26996 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:05:26 -0700 Received: from alpo.whistle.com(207.76.204.38) by saguaro.flyingfox.com via smap (V1.3) id sma026994; Wed Oct 9 17:04:57 1996 Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA21196; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Sender: julian@whistle.com Message-ID: <325C3D9B.446B9B3D@whistle.com> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 17:04:43 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Shankland CC: John.McLaughlin@acucobol.ie, rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Poor SMC Etherpower 10/100 transfer rates References: <199610092222.PAA26723@saguaro.flyingfox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: R Julian Elischer wrote: > Jim Shankland wrote: > > > ballpark 3% of the theoretical maximum capacity); the FreeBSD > > box is reporting a 20%+ collision rate! I will now definitely > > try swapping out the SMC card. > > if it is reporting collisions then it's probably not teh culprit.. > it's the card that doesn't see ANY collisions thatyou should be > worried about. Hmm ... I wonder. I figure the card may be detecting collisions just fine, but "forgetting" to check for an idle wire before transmitting. In that case, it could transmit, then immediately detect a collision .... I'll be swapping out the SMC card tomorrow night, on general principle, and will report back if I find out anything interesting. Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 9 17:39:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA23965 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from databus.databus.com (databus.databus.com [198.186.154.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA23937 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:39:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Barney Wolff To: hardware@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:26 EDT Subject: Re: Poor SMC Etherpower 10/100 transfer rates Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <325c45a40.4f38@databus.databus.com> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is it possible the card is trying to do full-duplex Ethernet? I have an odd data point to contribute. I have an SMC 9332 in an NT box. NT allows 10 Mb, 100 Mb and 100 Mb full-duplex for it. On a 100 Mb SMC TigerHub 100, talking to a freebsd 2.1.5-release box with an Intel Pro-100B, I found that the SMC9332 had to be set in non-full-duplex mode or performance would be just awful. I'm not sure whether that means that the hub does not support full-duplex, or freebsd with the Intel doesn't, or both. Since full-duplex 10 Mb does exist (I think) I wonder if the card thinks that's what it should be doing. Where can I RTFM on flag settings for NICs (is that what link does)? With the SMC set properly, I get 6-7MB/sec ftp rate between these two P6/200 boxes on the 100Mb hub. But even then, I often see a pause of something like a second just after the start of the transfer. Can't tell if that's caused by packet loss or what. I wondered about MTU discovery, but as I read the code it starts with the MTU of the interface, which is 1500. Barney Wolff From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 9 18:19:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA26790 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bio.bu.edu (tbuswell@BIO.BU.EDU [128.197.80.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26785 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bio.bu.edu (8.7.6/BU-11/2/94) id VAA02069; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 21:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 21:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199610100119.VAA02069@bio.bu.edu> From: Theodore Buswell To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Ftape resources? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there any information regarding use of floppy tape drives under FreeBSD? All I can find via 'man -k' is this 'ft' program. But it doesn't seem to work. Accessing /dev/ft0 using 'mt' and 'tar' always get me countless errors. 'mt' for example always complains "Device not configured". I think that part of the problem might be my h/w, but before I go too far chasing this, I'd like to make sure that 'mt' should perform as expected on /dev/ft0. My drive is recognized as "Unknown" at boot. Playing with src/sys/i386/isa/ft.c I find that it responds to the Colorado set of wakeups. Any nods in the right direction ( or any direction at all, really) are welcome. Thanks, -Ted PS: The drive is an 400/800MB TEAC and I'm using 2.1.5 And I don't see anything in the revision history of ft.c that would suggest active development... From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 9 18:36:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA28110 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA28103; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:36:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199610100136.SAA28103@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Ftape resources? To: tbuswell@bio.bu.edu (Theodore Buswell) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610100119.VAA02069@bio.bu.edu> from "Theodore Buswell" at Oct 9, 96 09:19:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Theodore Buswell wrote: > > > Is there any information regarding use of floppy tape drives > under FreeBSD? All I can find via 'man -k' is this 'ft' program. > But it doesn't seem to work. plesae get lft from ftp://freefall.freebsd.org/pub/incoming/ lft.tar.gz.uu > > Accessing /dev/ft0 using 'mt' and 'tar' always get me countless > errors. 'mt' for example always complains "Device not configured". > > I think that part of the problem might be my h/w, but before > I go too far chasing this, I'd like to make sure that 'mt' should > perform as expected on /dev/ft0. > > My drive is recognized as "Unknown" at boot. Playing with > src/sys/i386/isa/ft.c I find that it responds to the Colorado set > of wakeups. > > Any nods in the right direction ( or any direction at all, really) are > welcome. > > Thanks, > -Ted > > PS: The drive is an 400/800MB TEAC and I'm using 2.1.5 > And I don't see anything in the revision history of ft.c that would > suggest active development... > ft is not being developed. it may be replaced with lft jmb From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 9 19:45:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA03228 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03215 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA08147; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:44:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199610100244.TAA08147@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Poor SMC Etherpower 10/100 transfer rates In-Reply-To: <325C3D9B.446B9B3D@whistle.com> from Julian Elischer at "Oct 9, 96 05:04:43 pm" To: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jas@flyingfox.COM, John.McLaughlin@acucobol.ie, hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Jim Shankland wrote: > > > ballpark 3% of the theoretical maximum capacity); the FreeBSD > > box is reporting a 20%+ collision rate! I will now definitely > > try swapping out the SMC card. > > if it is reporting collisions then it's probably not teh culprit.. > it's the card that doesn't see ANY collisions thatyou should be > worried about. Actually it does see the collisions, it is failing to listen to the wire _before_ it transmits, but it sees the collision occur just fine, backs off and then smashes the wire again without seeing if it is busy :-(. Generally just poke around and see if other nodes are reporting collisions higher than expected tells you that you have someone who is not listening before transmitting. I have seen this on cards other than the DEC DC21x4x based ones, but that has been some time ago. This condition is often refered to has ``a balagerant mau'' and a common cause of it use to be thick ethernet MAU's that had gone bad and where not driving the collision pair in the AUI cable. Since with 10BaseT wiring this is all on the card you don't have a seperate MAU, perhaps this should now be called ``a balagerant NIC'' :-). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 9 19:48:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA03485 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03434 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA08157; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:47:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199610100247.TAA08157@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Poor SMC Etherpower 10/100 transfer rates In-Reply-To: <325c45a40.4f38@databus.databus.com> from Barney Wolff at "Oct 9, 96 08:26:00 pm" To: barney@databus.com (Barney Wolff) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is it possible the card is trying to do full-duplex Ethernet? I have an > odd data point to contribute. I have an SMC 9332 in an NT box. NT > allows 10 Mb, 100 Mb and 100 Mb full-duplex for it. On a 100 Mb SMC > TigerHub 100, talking to a freebsd 2.1.5-release box with an Intel > Pro-100B, I found that the SMC9332 had to be set in non-full-duplex mode > or performance would be just awful. I'm not sure whether that means > that the hub does not support full-duplex, or freebsd with the Intel > doesn't, or both. Since full-duplex 10 Mb does exist (I think) I wonder > if the card thinks that's what it should be doing. Could be, and FYI, you can't do full-duplex ethernet with a HUB, you need an ethernet SWITCH to do that. Attempting to talk FD with a HUB is going to fail. > Where can I RTFM on flag settings for NICs (is that what link does)? A good place would be /usr/src/sys/pci/if_de.c :-) > With the SMC set properly, I get 6-7MB/sec ftp rate between these two > P6/200 boxes on the 100Mb hub. But even then, I often see a pause of > something like a second just after the start of the transfer. Can't > tell if that's caused by packet loss or what. I wondered about MTU > discovery, but as I read the code it starts with the MTU of the interface, > which is 1500. > > Barney Wolff > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 10 22:34:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA19217 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 22:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19208 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 22:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA23352 for hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:03:28 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199610110533.PAA23352@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: WangDAT 2x00 units... To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:03:26 +0930 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk G'day hardware people. I picked up a couple of WanDAT units (a 2000 and a 2600) at an auction the other night, and I was wondering if anyone would care to share any information (latest firmware versions, optimal DIP settings, war stories etc.) with regard to these units. Tecmar (who appear to hold the WangDAT name these days) don't even seem to admit that these units ever existed 8( I have managed to determine that the units use a STAC blob for compression and are thus likely to be incompatible with other drives, and that the 2600 should only be able to handle 60m tapes. That's interesting, as both units report themselves as 2600's, and both were able to read data off a 90m tape... In return, I offer the following war story : Both these units on arrival demonstrated "tape munch" - you insert a tape, the transport whirrs and clicks for a while, and then the tape is ejected with its entrails entwined in the bowels of the transport. The problem appears to be with the spool motor assembly; I surmise that the brake pads stick and the solenoid can't disengage them. At any rate, the fix is to strip the unit down (remove logic board, data seperator board, disconnect transport from servo board, remove transport), turn the transport over and remove the spool motor assembly (three screws). Then carefully remove the three screws that keep the two halves of the spool motor assembly together, and unfold it. Don't put too much strain on the flexible conductors, as they may not be soldered too well. With a small probe (screwdriver, toothpick, toenail clipping etc.) push the slug back into the solenoid. There should be a small 'click' noise and it should remain held in place by the magnet. The two motors should now spin freely. Reverse the disassembly process, and enjoy your resuscitated unit. Note: You can determine whether a unit has this problem _without_ sacrificing a tape. Remove the transport cover, so that you can see inside. Sit it in front of you, with the tape entry facing to the left. Power the drive up, but don't connect it to a SCSI bus. With two fingers of your right hand, press down on the tray latches so that the two-pronged forks lift up. These bits are visible through cutouts in the transport cover, so locating them should be easy-ish. With your left hand (or an implement thereby grasped), push the brass pin sticking out of the side of the transport near the tape tray towards the back of the unit. You should only have to move it a millimetre or so and the servo will start a load cycle. As soon as the servo determines that you're cheating on it, it will 'eject', but just at the bottom while it's thinking, both the feed and the takeup spool motors will kick slightly (to remove any slack in the tape before attempting to load it). If they fail to kick, you should try the process described above. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 11 00:24:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA24460 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 00:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from speedy.grolier.fr (root@speedy.grolier.fr [194.158.97.87]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24420 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 00:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from celebris (ppp-196-169.neuilly.club-internet.fr [194.117.196.169]) by speedy.grolier.fr (8.7.6/MGC-960516) with SMTP id JAA09952 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:18:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <325DF5FB.37C5@mail.club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:23:39 +0200 From: Jean-Marc BOTTURA X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: geometry problem with 4GB micropolis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I tried to install 2.1.5 onto 4 GB micropolis. The partition editor told me that the geometry was incorrect, and that it took default values. I tried to modify the geometry thru G option, by giving the values from Micropolis (3956/19/139) but the message was still displayed ! Then I installed a small dos bootable partition and when I tried again the installation, there wasn't any more error message about the geometry, but it displayed :522/255/63 (255 heads !?) and now it works fine. But is it correct with this geometry ? Isn't there a risk for potential problems later ? Thanks in advance if someone can help me to understand what happened ! Best regards, Jean-Marc BOTTURA From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 11 01:20:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA27334 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 01:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from deputy.pavilion.co.uk (deputy.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.128.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27286 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 01:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dialup2-01.pavilion.co.uk (dialup2-01.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.129]) by deputy.pavilion.co.uk (8.7/8.7) with SMTP id JAA20408 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:16:54 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199610110816.JAA20408@deputy.pavilion.co.uk> X-Sender: aledm@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:43:55 +0100 To: hardware@freebsd.org From: Aled Morris Subject: Panasonic OD/CD-ROM drive Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As you may know, Panasonic make a combined rewriteable optical drive and CD-ROM reader, SCSI, which sells in the UK for (equivalent) US$600. Optical media hold 650MB for US$60. I'm sure these are expensive compared to native US pricing, but that's life. Slow too, with 165ms seek (compared to Jaz 12ms, but I imagine only using it for backups). Before I spend money on one of these, can anyone tell me if it is likely to work? i.e. will it work as a SCSI CD-ROM? Which device would I use? sd(4)? cd(4)? Aled -- telephone +44 973 207987 O- From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 11 04:58:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA10853 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 04:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.winc.com (root@home.winc.com [204.178.182.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA10842 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 04:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.aristar.com (slip125.winc.com [204.178.182.125]) by home.winc.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA11775; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 07:57:42 -0400 Message-ID: <325E368B.237C228A@aristar.com> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 07:59:07 -0400 From: "Matthew A. Gessner" Organization: Aristar, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Hardware group Subject: disklabel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I saw J Wunsch using disklabel in an e-mail in hackers, so I wanted to check it out (never used it before). I have 2 IDE drives using a built-in controller on the motherboard. disklabel -r wd0 (or wd1) tells me these are ESDI drives! Huh? Can anyone shed some light on this one? -- Matthew Gessner, Computer Scientist, Aristar, Inc. 302 N. Cleveland-Massillon Rd. Akron, OH 44333 Voice (330) 668-2267, Fax (330) 668-2961 From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 11 05:18:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA11934 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 05:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from speedy.grolier.fr (speedy.grolier.fr [194.158.97.87]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA11917 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 05:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from celebris (ppp-196-109.neuilly.club-internet.fr [194.117.196.109]) by speedy.grolier.fr (8.7.6/MGC-960516) with SMTP id OAA04089 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:14:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <325E3B5D.20A5@mail.club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:19:41 +0200 From: Jean-Marc BOTTURA X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: support of optical 2.6GB maxoptix Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hello, is the maxoptix T4 2600 (2.6 GB optical drive) supported in 2.1.5 ? If not, which are the 2.6 GB magneto-optical drives currently supported ? Thanks in advance Best regards, Jean-Marc BOTTURA From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 11 08:15:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA21573 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 08:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.winc.com (root@home.winc.com [204.178.182.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21550; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 08:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.aristar.com (slip125.winc.com [204.178.182.125]) by home.winc.com (8.7.1/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12801; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:15:21 -0400 Message-ID: <325E64E0.167EB0E7@aristar.com> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:16:48 -0400 From: "Matthew A. Gessner" Organization: Aristar, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers , FreeBSD Hardware group Subject: AMD 586 runs FreeBSD just FINE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, all, A little status report for y'all. I just bought one of those them there fancy shmancy CPU upgrades. I had an Intel 486/DX266 and upgraded to a AMD 586/133 from Ganberry via Micro Warehouse. For $140 I have a machine that runs about 2.5 x faster! And no problems with BSD! Yeah! I was a little worried having read reports of problems with Cyrix chips, but so far, so good! If I notice anything, I'll report it. Matt -- Matthew Gessner, Computer Scientist, Aristar, Inc. 302 N. Cleveland-Massillon Rd. Akron, OH 44333 Voice (330) 668-2267, Fax (330) 668-2961 From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 11 10:04:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA12161 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 10:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs.rice.edu (cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12156 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 10:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from una.cs.rice.edu (una.cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.160]) by cs.rice.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA22149 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:04:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert J Fowler Received: (from rjf@localhost) by una.cs.rice.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20346 for hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:04:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199610111704.MAA20346@una.cs.rice.edu> Subject: AMD 586 runs FreeBSD just FINE (fwd) To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:04:07 -0500 (CDT) Organization: CRPC / Dept. of Computer Science, Rice University Addr(Post): Rice U, MS-41, CRPC/CITI, P.O. Box 1892, Houston, Texas 77251 USA Addr(Express): CRPC/CITI, Rice U., MS-41, 6100 S. Main, Houston TX 77005 Phone: (713) 285-5176 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Matthew Gessner announced -- > > Hello, all, > > A little status report for y'all. > > I just bought one of those them there fancy shmancy CPU upgrades. I > had an Intel 486/DX266 and upgraded to a AMD 586/133 from Ganberry via > Micro Warehouse. For $140 I have a machine that runs about 2.5 x > faster! > > And no problems with BSD! Yeah! > > I was a little worried having read reports of problems with Cyrix > chips, but so far, so good! If I notice anything, I'll report it. > > Matt > -- Just to add another data point... I've got a 486 box at home that I also upgraded to an AMD 586/133 from an AMD DX/2 at 80 MHz. Since my motherboard could provide 3.3V and it has a not too ancient BIOS, the packaged upgrades from Gainberry and Evergreen really don't offer any added value over just getting just the 586/133 chip. I paid $60+tax from Electrotex here in Houston. The 586/133 is essentially just a 486 with clock tripling/quadrupling and a bigger writeback cache. My no-name VESA motherboard/BIOS doesn't have documented support for writeback nor clock quadrupling. Despite suggestions from helpful hardware hackers that I dike off the appropriate pin on the CPU package (See the datasheet.) to get it to quadruple, I decided to take a more conservative approach. Therefore I'm running the system in writethrough mode and clock tripled mode over a 40 MHz local bus, i.e. the CPU core is running at 120. I am paying a penalty for using writethrough vs. writeback, but I've been insufficiently motivated to try to uncover an undocumented writeback mode. As expected, performance on CPU intensive stuff is therefore a bit over 50% better (Remember the bigger cache than it was before. See the AMD web page for documentation, including the datasheet. The system has been rock solid for about 3 months running FreeBSD or Windows. -- Rob From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 11 15:40:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA01786 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA01776 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca8-13.ix.netcom.com [207.93.141.141]) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA01013; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:38:39 -0700 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.6/8.6.9) id PAA21432; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610112238.PAA21432@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: bottura@speedy.grolier.fr CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <325DF5FB.37C5@mail.club-internet.fr> (message from Jean-Marc BOTTURA on Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:23:39 +0200) Subject: Re: geometry problem with 4GB micropolis From: asami@FreeBSD.org (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * I tried to install 2.1.5 onto 4 GB micropolis. * Then I installed a small dos bootable partition and when I tried again * the installation, there wasn't any more error message about the * geometry, but it displayed :522/255/63 (255 heads !?) and now it works * fine. * * But is it correct with this geometry ? Isn't there a risk for potential * problems later ? I have been using the Micropolis 3243W with that geometry for almost a year now. It's been working fine. (I have an Adaptec 2940UW, BTW -- you should include info about your SCSI adapter, because it's the adapter that decides which funky geometry to use.) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 11 19:58:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA18203 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 19:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news.NetDTW.com (news.NetDTW.com [192.160.70.145]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA18169; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 19:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (steve@localhost) by news.NetDTW.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id WAA15233; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:58:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:58:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Corso Subject: Re: AMD 586 runs FreeBSD just FINE To: "Matthew A. Gessner" cc: hackers , FreeBSD Hardware group In-Reply-To: <325E64E0.167EB0E7@aristar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have been running the 586/133 here for about 3 weeks with no problems as well (2.1.5R). STeve On Fri, 11 Oct 1996, Matthew A. Gessner wrote: > Hello, all, > > A little status report for y'all. > > I just bought one of those them there fancy shmancy CPU upgrades. I > had an Intel 486/DX266 and upgraded to a AMD 586/133 from Ganberry via > Micro Warehouse. For $140 I have a machine that runs about 2.5 x > faster! > > And no problems with BSD! Yeah! > > I was a little worried having read reports of problems with Cyrix > chips, but so far, so good! If I notice anything, I'll report it. > > Matt > -- > Matthew Gessner, Computer Scientist, > Aristar, Inc. > 302 N. Cleveland-Massillon Rd. > Akron, OH 44333 > Voice (330) 668-2267, Fax (330) 668-2961 > From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 11 20:09:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA18976 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 20:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from quagmire.ki.net (root@quagmire.ki.net [205.150.102.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18940; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 20:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (roddie@localhost) by quagmire.ki.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id XAA18052; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 23:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 23:09:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Roddie Hasan To: "Matthew A. Gessner" cc: hackers , FreeBSD Hardware group Subject: Re: AMD 586 runs FreeBSD just FINE In-Reply-To: <325E64E0.167EB0E7@aristar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Matt, > I just bought one of those them there fancy shmancy CPU upgrades. I > had an Intel 486/DX266 and upgraded to a AMD 586/133 from Ganberry via > Micro Warehouse. For $140 I have a machine that runs about 2.5 x > faster! I'm thinking of throwing one of those boards in my machine. (I currently have a DX266 also). What did you set your cpu type to in the kernel settings? I would assume 486, but I want to make sure. Ciao, Roddie From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 11 20:49:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA21644 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 20:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA21638 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 20:49:05 -0700 (PDT) From: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com (ccgate.infoworld.com [192.216.49.101]) by lserver.infoworld.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/GNAC-GW-1.2) with SMTP id UAA04448; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 20:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA845091929; Fri, 11 Oct 96 21:31:14 PST Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 21:31:14 PST Message-Id: <9609118450.AA845091929@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: Jean-Marc BOTTURA , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: geometry problem with 4GB micropolis Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In my experience, any geometry that gets the system to boot is OK. After the kernel loads, the sd driver takes over and sees the SCSI drive as a linear array of blocks -- no geometry information needed. Your best bet is to install the FreeBSD Boot Manager, which virtually any BIOS will load. It will take over the boot process from the BIOS, and it does not have the BIOS's limitations. I just used this technique to install a 2.5 GB IDE drive on an older 486 machine. The machine's BIOS couldn't even fathom a drive that large, and the manufacturer said it would never work.... But it did. --Brett