From owner-freebsd-ports Sun Apr 7 00:17:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA23488 for ports-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23483 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:17:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA01325; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:17:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:17:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199604070817.AAA01325@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: graphite@pepsi1.bekkoame.or.jp CC: ports@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <199604051702.CAA03203@sidheog.taurus.bekkoame.or.jp> (message from Noritaka Ishizumi on Sat, 06 Apr 1996 02:02:02 +0900) Subject: Re: a port of suck-2.6.2 From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry I didn't reply sooner to your earlier mail, I see that this version already contains the TMPDIR fix. * This is the port of 'suck-2.6.2' . * * Please replace old port of 'suck-2.6.1' to 'suck-2.6.2'. Cool cool. Thanks, committed! Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Sun Apr 7 03:21:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA04545 for ports-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 03:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA04522 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 03:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id MAA00178; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 12:21:06 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA01138; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 12:21:05 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id LAA17250; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 11:49:59 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604070949.LAA17250@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Fresco port To: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 11:49:57 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: joelw@hemi.com, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at Apr 6, 96 10:00:59 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Chuck Robey wrote: > > Fresco works fine on other unix variants, including linux, so > > im sure its nothing huge that needs to be changed. has someone already > > done this? > > I think you ought to give it a try before you say "it's nothing big". It > is something really big, all tied up in lots and lots of Imakefiles, and > hidden behind some horrible complicated hacks to make it's own > namespace. Just as a btw: Fresco and LBX have been withdrawn by the X Consortium, if i've got this right. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Sun Apr 7 03:21:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA04609 for ports-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 03:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA04540 Sun, 7 Apr 1996 03:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id MAA00186; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 12:21:12 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA01147; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 12:21:11 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id LAA17302; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 11:55:43 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604070955.LAA17302@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: routed delete my PPP default: how to fight it? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD-current users) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 11:55:43 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199604070218.GAA00630@astral.msk.su> from "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=" at Apr 7, 96 06:18:26 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= wrote: > Apr 7 05:57:24 astral routed[51]: deleting route to interface tun0 (timed out) > Apr 7 05:58:52 astral routed[51]: re-installing interface tun0 > > when carrier dropped. > How I can instruct routed NEVER delete route to tun0? killall routed :-) Don't use it. Peter once wrote that rdisc should be ready for prime time, and if you really need something more, use GateD. It allows you to declare an interface as ``passive'', meaning GateD will never delete the route out of this interface solely for the lack of getting routing information from it. The GateD port should install at least the gated_config HTML stuff somewhere under /usr/local for reference. (That's why i'm Cc'ing ports here.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Sun Apr 7 13:00:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA28120 for ports-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 13:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saturn (root@saturn.apana.org.au [202.12.90.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA28098 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 13:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by saturn (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0u60cm-0006y7C; Mon, 8 Apr 96 05:59 EST Received: from bullseye.apana.org.au (central [203.9.107.245]) by bullseye.apana.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA08807 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 18:52:06 +1000 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:00:13 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew MacIntyre To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: query wrt c-kermit-5a-190 port X-Sender: andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a query with regards to the above port, as part of the 2.1 ports collection. In the last set of patches in patchfile patch-aa distributed on the 2.1 CD-ROM from Walnut Creek, to function priv_opn, the calls to priv_on() and priv_off() are disabled for FreeBSD. The patches concerned are to lines 8069-8077 of ckutio.c. With these two calls disabled as per the distributed patches, attempting to SET LINE to /dev/cuaa* from kermit as built from the ports facility results in "access denied", which is baffling as the kermit binary as installed is setgid to dialer, matching the devices. On a hunch, I backed out these particular patches, and kermit now behaves as expected, without the "access denied" message. I have tried both telnet and dial-out modem (/dev/cuaa*) connects with the resulting binary without apparent ill-effect, albeit on a limited basis. Is there any record of the reason for these particular modifications, or any known side effects of operating without them? TIA PS. To all concerned with the ports collection, notwithstanding this minor puzzle, thanks heaps for your efforts! -- Andrew I MacIntyre "These thoughts are mine alone..." E-mail: andrew.macintyre@aba.gov.au (work) | Snail: PO Box 370 andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au (play) | Belconnen ACT 2616 Fido: Andrew MacIntyre, 3:620/243.18 | Australia From owner-freebsd-ports Sun Apr 7 14:04:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA01765 for ports-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01752 Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA29394; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604072104.OAA29394@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com CC: ports@freebsd.org, gibbs@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <6270.828614341@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: NO_PACKAGE and NO_CDROM From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * Anyone object to the idea of ports-{foo,bar,...} going away and being * replaced by one ports-all? Does anyone here even sup a partial * ports tree? I know that I never have.. Seems like this is working now, is it "official"? Should I go fix the sample supfiles and the one on wcarchive? Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Sun Apr 7 14:10:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA02147 for ports-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA02134 Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604072110.OAA02134@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: Host localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, ports@freebsd.org, gibbs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NO_PACKAGE and NO_CDROM In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Apr 1996 14:04:08 PDT." <199604072104.OAA29394@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 14:10:39 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > * Anyone object to the idea of ports-{foo,bar,...} going away and being > * replaced by one ports-all? Does anyone here even sup a partial > * ports tree? I know that I never have.. > >Seems like this is working now, is it "official"? Should I go fix the >sample supfiles and the one on wcarchive? > >Satoshi I don't have a problem with wcarchive using whatever collection it wants to, but I think the other collections should stay. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-ports Sun Apr 7 14:53:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA05904 for ports-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05898 Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05199; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:53:07 -0700 (PDT) To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) cc: ports@freebsd.org, gibbs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NO_PACKAGE and NO_CDROM In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Apr 1996 14:04:08 PDT." <199604072104.OAA29394@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 14:53:07 -0700 Message-ID: <5197.828913987@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > * Anyone object to the idea of ports-{foo,bar,...} going away and being > * replaced by one ports-all? Does anyone here even sup a partial > * ports tree? I know that I never have.. > > Seems like this is working now, is it "official"? Should I go fix the > sample supfiles and the one on wcarchive? > > Satoshi Well, I'm still not convinced that people are keen to have the individual ones go away, in which case ports-all just becomes an added convenience rather than a replacement. Any last screams before I nuke ports-!all ? Jordan From owner-freebsd-ports Sun Apr 7 15:40:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA09579 for ports-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 15:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [144.206.136.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09560 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 15:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA20878 (5.65.kiae-1 ); Mon, 8 Apr 1996 01:30:16 +0300 Received: by sovcom.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Mon, 8 Apr 96 01:30:16 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA01747; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 02:16:32 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <199604072216.CAA01747@astral.msk.su> Subject: Re: query wrt c-kermit-5a-190 port To: andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au (Andrew MacIntyre) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 02:16:32 +0400 (MSD) Cc: ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Andrew MacIntyre" at "Apr 7, 96 07:00:13 pm" From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) X-Class: Fast X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have a query with regards to the above port, as part of the 2.1 ports > collection. > > In the last set of patches in patchfile patch-aa distributed on the 2.1 > CD-ROM from Walnut Creek, to function priv_opn, the calls to priv_on() > and priv_off() are disabled for FreeBSD. The patches concerned are to > lines 8069-8077 of ckutio.c. > > With these two calls disabled as per the distributed patches, attempting > to SET LINE to /dev/cuaa* from kermit as built from the ports facility > results in "access denied", which is baffling as the kermit binary as > installed is setgid to dialer, matching the devices. Correct way is not to make kermit your security hole, but put needed user into dialer group. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - http://dt.demos.su/~ache : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-ports Sun Apr 7 15:41:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA09618 for ports-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 15:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [144.206.136.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09612 Sun, 7 Apr 1996 15:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA20864 (5.65.kiae-1 ); Mon, 8 Apr 1996 01:30:14 +0300 Received: by sovcom.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Mon, 8 Apr 96 01:30:13 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA01762; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 02:21:00 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <199604072221.CAA01762@astral.msk.su> Subject: Re: routed delete my PPP default: how to fight it? To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 02:21:00 +0400 (MSD) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, ports@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199604070955.LAA17302@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at "Apr 7, 96 11:55:43 am" From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) X-Class: Fast X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= wrote: > > > Apr 7 05:57:24 astral routed[51]: deleting route to interface tun0 (timed out) > > Apr 7 05:58:52 astral routed[51]: re-installing interface tun0 > > > > when carrier dropped. > > > How I can instruct routed NEVER delete route to tun0? > > killall routed :-) I try, but then my log overflowed by Apr 7 05:32:59 astral /kernel: Connection attempt to UDP 194.58.229.133:520 from 194.58.229.133:520 messages from PPP (it is my address and routed service). User PPP needs someone listed at routed service. > Don't use it. Peter once wrote that rdisc should be ready for prime > time, and if you really need something more, use GateD. It allows you > to declare an interface as ``passive'', meaning GateD will never > delete the route out of this interface solely for the lack of getting > routing information from it. Gated is too large for home machine. Is rdisc work now? -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - http://dt.demos.su/~ache : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-ports Sun Apr 7 19:40:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA21756 for ports-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA21727 Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA23925; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 20:39:54 -0600 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 20:39:54 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199604080239.UAA23925@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: routed delete my PPP default: how to fight it? In-Reply-To: <199604072221.CAA01762@astral.msk.su> References: <199604070955.LAA17302@uriah.heep.sax.de> <199604072221.CAA01762@astral.msk.su> Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Apr 7 05:57:24 astral routed[51]: deleting route to interface tun0 (timed out) > > > Apr 7 05:58:52 astral routed[51]: re-installing interface tun0 > > > > > > when carrier dropped. > > > > > How I can instruct routed NEVER delete route to tun0? > > > > killall routed :-) > > I try, but then my log overflowed by > Apr 7 05:32:59 astral /kernel: Connection attempt to UDP 194.58.229.133:520 from 194.58.229.133:520 > messages from PPP (it is my address and routed service). User PPP needs > someone listed at routed service. Hmm, I ran it for weeks w/out routed and it never complained. That was prior to 2.1, but it worked fine for me w/out routed. (I'm now running SLIP w/out routed with no problems.) Nate From owner-freebsd-ports Sun Apr 7 21:12:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA28033 for ports-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 21:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [144.206.136.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA28020 Sun, 7 Apr 1996 21:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA06924 (5.65.kiae-1 ); Mon, 8 Apr 1996 07:00:16 +0300 Received: by sovcom.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Mon, 8 Apr 96 07:00:16 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA00440; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 07:32:30 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <199604080332.HAA00440@astral.msk.su> Subject: Re: routed delete my PPP default: how to fight it? To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 07:32:30 +0400 (MSD) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199604080239.UAA23925@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at "Apr 7, 96 08:39:54 pm" From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) X-Class: Fast X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > Apr 7 05:57:24 astral routed[51]: deleting route to interface tun0 (timed out) > > > > Apr 7 05:58:52 astral routed[51]: re-installing interface tun0 > > > > > > > > when carrier dropped. > > > > > > > How I can instruct routed NEVER delete route to tun0? > > > > > > killall routed :-) > > > > I try, but then my log overflowed by > > Apr 7 05:32:59 astral /kernel: Connection attempt to UDP 194.58.229.133:520 from 194.58.229.133:520 > > messages from PPP (it is my address and routed service). User PPP needs > > someone listed at routed service. > > Hmm, I ran it for weeks w/out routed and it never complained. That was > prior to 2.1, but it worked fine for me w/out routed. (I'm now running > SLIP w/out routed with no problems.) It is NOT a problem, just log overflowing. UDP.vain is enabled in -current VERY recently. Of course, I can disable UDP.vain, but I prefer somehow plug routed service. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - http://dt.demos.su/~ache : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 02:43:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA16200 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 02:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.csie.nctu.edu.tw (root@phoenix.csie.nctu.edu.tw [140.113.17.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16003 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 02:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw (root@freebsd.csie.nctu.edu.tw [140.113.235.250]) by phoenix.csie.nctu.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA06722 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:38:50 +0800 Received: (from jdli@localhost) by FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA08110 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:38:15 +0800 (CST) From: Jian-Da Li Message-Id: <199604080938.RAA08110@FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw> Subject: [PORT] xsysinfo-1.1 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:38:14 +0800 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi : Here is the port of xsysinfo-1.1, which is designed for FreeBSD. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/xsysinfo-1.1-port.tgz xsysinfo - display FreeBSD system states (cpu, load, mem- ory, swap, disk I/O, network packets, NFS client/server) statistics. -- 李 建 達 (Jian-Da Li) 交大資工 E-Mail : jdli@csie.nctu.edu.tw From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 04:50:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA22076 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 04:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA22071 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 04:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA11153; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 04:50:03 -0700 (PDT) To: Jian-Da Li cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [PORT] xsysinfo-1.1 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Apr 1996 17:38:14 +0800." <199604080938.RAA08110@FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 04:50:03 -0700 Message-ID: <11151.828964203@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi : > > Here is the port of xsysinfo-1.1, which is designed for FreeBSD. > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/xsysinfo-1.1-port.tgz A few things wrong with this port, I'm afraid: Problem #1: jkh@time-> make >> xsysinfo-1.1.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist on this system. >> Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.edu.tw/Operating-Systems/FreeBSD/packages/jdli/source/. NCTUCCCA.edu.tw(ftp.edu.tw) Anonymous FTP Archives, WELCOME from time.cdrom.com. /Operating-Systems/FreeBSD/packages/jdli/source/xsysinfo-1.1.tar.gz: No such file. Cause: Failure to set EXTRACT_SUFX in the Makefile to `.tgz' since this isn't a .tar.gz file. Fixed. Problem #2: jkh@time-> make ===> Extracting for xsysinfo-1.1 ===> Patching for xsysinfo-1.1 ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for xsysinfo-1.1 cannot open /a/ports/sysutils/xsysinfo/patches/patch-*: no such file You have an empty patches directory. Removed. Finally, and this is not really so much a problem as it is just a piece of advice, you don't need the @cwd line in your PLIST file since the default destination is already set to /usr/X11R6 for ports that use IMAKE. Letting the ports framework set it ensures that if /usr/X11R6 should ever change as the default location, we can change it in only once place. Like I said, this isn't really an error, just a tip. Finally, and this is what keeps me from committing the port even though the other problems were easy to fix, it doesn't seem to work! :-( root@time-> xsysinfo pstat: cannot read swapptr: kvm_read: Bad address pstat: cannot read swapptr: kvm_read: Bad address pstat: cannot read swapptr: kvm_read: Bad address pstat: cannot read swapptr: kvm_read: Bad address pstat: cannot read swapptr: kvm_read: Bad address I get a window with the graphs in it, but it doesn't look like it's able to read anything from kvm. Jordan From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 04:51:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA22103 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 04:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from platinum.com (gateway.platinum.com [206.214.170.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA22098 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 04:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gateway.platinum.com id <18451>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 06:52:38 -0500 From: "Brent J. Nordquist" Subject: Port of gdbm 1.7.3 to FreeBSD uploaded To: ports@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 06:49:03 -0500 Reply-to: nordquist@platinum.com (Brent J. Nordquist) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <96Apr8.065238cdt.18451@gateway.platinum.com> Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I placed in in ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/gdbm-1.7.3.tar.gz. This was an extremely straightforward port; no work Makefile or code changes were required. I just had to develop the top-level Makefile and the package files. There was only one issue of concern: FreeBSD 2.1 appears to ship with a /usr/include/ndbm.h. However, a man -k on dbm and ndbm reveals nothing of interest, and there don't appear to be any dbm libraries. Does FreeBSD have dbm/ndbm support? If it doesn't, gdbm provides some compatibility headers and programs for testing and converting to gdbm. To install these headers by default, uncomment the appropriate line in the top-level Makefile. The pkg/PLIST file should then also be updated with: include/dbm.h include/ndbm.h -- Brent J. Nordquist PLATINUM technology, inc. (ViaTech Development Lab) nordquist@platinum.com 2600 Eagan Woods Dr., Suite 410, Eagan, MN 55121-1152 Voice +1 612 688-3033 If you can keep your head when all about you are Vmail +1 708 620-5116 losing theirs, you clearly don't understand the (ext. 7806) situation. From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 07:25:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA28565 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 07:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28555 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 07:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA02130; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:23:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 8 Apr 96 08:54 CDT Received: by mars.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 8 Apr 96 08:54 CDT Message-Id: Subject: Re: URT To: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee (Narvi) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:54:38 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lars Jonas Olsson" Cc: jonas@mcs.net, ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Narvi" at Apr 6, 96 11:08:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Has anyone a copy (or a port) of the Utah Raster Toolkit for the FreeBSD? > I would like to hear of it - otherwise I feel I'm doing it sonn for > another port which benefits from it :-) > > Sander > > Eat good food, preserve nature, be nice to all nice people :) > > I had one in earlier release of FreeBSD. The main job was to add shared library support. I don't have my port available now. Look at some older CD. Jonas From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 09:28:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA07454 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from platinum.com (gateway.platinum.com [206.214.170.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07449 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gateway.platinum.com id <18536>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 11:29:57 -0500 From: "Brent J. Nordquist" Subject: Re: Port of gdbm 1.7.3 to FreeBSD uploaded To: soren@ambiguity.i-2.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 11:16:38 -0500 Cc: ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199604081100.LAA01051@ambiguity.i-2.com> from "Soren Dayton" at Apr 8, 96 06:00:37 am Reply-to: nordquist@platinum.com (Brent J. Nordquist) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <96Apr8.112957cdt.18536@gateway.platinum.com> Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk | "Brent J. Nordquist" said: | | >I placed in in ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/gdbm-1.7.3.tar.gz. | >This was an extremely straightforward port; no work Makefile or code | >changes were required. I just had to develop the top-level Makefile | >and the package files. | > | >There was only one issue of concern: FreeBSD 2.1 appears to ship with | >a /usr/include/ndbm.h. However, a man -k on dbm and ndbm reveals | >nothing of interest, and there don't appear to be any dbm libraries. | >Does FreeBSD have dbm/ndbm support? | | checking out that include file seems to indicate that it uses db | to imitate ndbm. | | Soren Thanks for that info! So I guess someone has to decide whether it would be better to have gdbm provide that emulation. -- Brent J. Nordquist PLATINUM technology, inc. (ViaTech Development Lab) nordquist@platinum.com 2600 Eagan Woods Dr., Suite 410, Eagan, MN 55121-1152 Voice +1 612 688-3033 If you can keep your head when all about you are Vmail +1 708 620-5116 losing theirs, you clearly don't understand the (ext. 7806) situation. From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 09:41:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA08288 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iworks.InterWorks.org (deischen@iworks.interworks.org [128.255.18.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08259 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iworks.InterWorks.org (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA12384; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 11:39:21 -0500 Message-Id: <9604081639.AA12384@iworks.InterWorks.org> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 11:39:21 -0500 From: "Daniel M. Eischen" To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Announcing a port/package of NEdit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I made a port and package out of nedit-4.0.1, a very good X11/Motif-based editor. We've been using an earlier version of it at work for over a year and it is favored over HP VUEs editor, vedit. Please try it out! I provided a version, statically linked with the Motif libraries, so you will not need Motif to use it. Files on ftp.cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD/incoming: nedit-4.0.1-notes.tar.gz - notes and document for nedit nedit-4.0.1-port.tar.gz - nedit-4.0.1 port nedit-4.0.1.tgz - pkg_add format Dan Eischen deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org >From the included nedit.doc file in nedit-4.0.1-notes.tar.gz: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEDIT 4.0.1 NEdit is a GUI (Graphical User Interface) style text editor for programs and plain-text files. Users of Macintosh and MS Windows based text editors will find NEdit a familiar and comfortable environment. NEdit provides all of the standard menu, dialog, editing, and mouse support, as well as all of the standard shortcuts to which the users of modern GUI based environments are accustomed. For users of older style Unix editors, welcome to the world of mouse-based editing! NEdit is free, available in source and binary form for Silicon Graphics, HP, DEC, IBM, Sun, and Linux systems, as well as for VAX and Alpha VMS. Executables for non-supported systems are also available. Porting to other Motif platforms has generally been easy. [...] DISTRIBUTION POLICY You may freely use and distribute this software, provided that you agree to abide by the following Terms and Conditions: Any redistribution shall be accompanied by the information contained in this section. The origin of the software shall be acknowledged wherever its use is referenced. Feedback on problems with the software should be provided to the authors or maintainers. Authors Mark Edel, Joy Kyriakopulos, Arnulfo Zepeda-Navratil, Suresh Ravoor, Donna Reid Jeff Kallenbach Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, m/s 234 P.O. Box 500 Batavia, IL 60510 edel@fnal.gov Acknowledgements Regular expression code by Henry Spencer, University of Toronto Indemnification by User of Third Party Claims User, its directors, officers, employees, and agents hereby release and waive all claims against URA, its trustees, overseers, directors, officers, employees, and agents, subcontractors, successors and assigns, for any and all liability and damages arising from the reproduction, use or other disposition of the software. User shall indemnify URA and the U.S. Government for all damages, costs or expenses, including attorney's fees arising from the utilization of the software, including, but not limited to, the making, using, selling or exporting of products, processes or services derived from the Licensed Software. User agrees to indemnify, hold harmless and defind URA, its trustees, overseers, directors, officers, employees, agents, subcontractors, successor and assigns, against any and all liability, damages, loss, cost, change, claim, demand, fee or expense of every nature and kind which may at any time hereafter, be sustained by URA by reason of claims of third parties arising out of alleged acts or omissions of User in the reproduction, use or other disposition of the Licensed Software. Disclaimer of Warranties The software is Licensed on an "as is" basis only. Universities Research Association, Inc. (URA) makes no representations, express or implied. URA makes no representations or warranties of merchantability or fitness for any particular purpose, that the reproduction, use or other disposition of the Licensed Software will not infringe any patent, copyright, or trademark. The entire risk as to the results and performance of the software is assumed by the user. User agrees that URA, its trustees, overseers, directors, officers, employees, agents, subcontractors, successors and assigns shall not be liable under any claim, charge, or demand, whether in contract, tort, criminal law or otherwise, for any and all loss, cost, charge, claim, demand, fee, expense, or damage of every nature and kind arising out of, connected with, resulting from or sustained as a result of executing this agreement. In no event shall URA be liable for special, direct, indirect or consequential damages, losses, costs, charges, claims, demands, fees or expenses of any nature or kind. Liabilities of the Government This software is provided by URA, independent from its Prime Contract with the U.S. Department of Energy. URA is acting independently from the Government and in its own private capacity and is not acting on behalf of the U.S. Government, nor as its contractor nor its agent. Correspondingly, it is understood and agreed that the U.S. Government has no connection to this software and in no manner whatsoever shall be liable for nor assume any responsibility or obligation for any claim, cost, or damages arising out of or resulting from the use of the software. Fermilab Government Sponsorship Notice "This work was performed at Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, which is operated by the Universities Research Association, Inc., under contract DE-AC02-76CHO3000 with the U.S. Department of Energy." Send questions and comments to: nedit_support@fnal.gov. From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 09:53:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA09232 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca [198.161.206.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09223 Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA28833; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:52:44 -0600 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:52:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Ronald Grootkarzyn To: fbsd-ports , fbsd-bugs , fbsd-hackers Subject: Invalid Type '->' wrt GCC/ctype.h (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I re-installed bin distribution from cd-rom with the "install.sh" command. GCC now works fine. I only had to make changes to the master password file and sysconfig. Thank-you for your time. Ronald Grootkarzyn email: ron@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca 4013 - 114 Avenue phone: (403) 479-2672 Edmonton, AB, T5W 0S9 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 17:13:20 -0700 (MST) From: Ronald Grootkarzyn To: fbsd-ports , fbsd-hackers , fbsd-bugs Subject: Invalid Type '->' wrt GCC/ctype.h To those that may know; Please consider and reply, if possible, with RFI's or solutions to the following complation merror message; I run a custom FBSD 2.10 kernel (sound for sbpro & SYS V support) on a 486 pc compatible. When compiling the following programs; xlockmore 3.7 and mSQL 1.0.6+, I receive the following error message from ctype.h .../ctype.h:147: invalid type arguement of '->' in the following functions; __istype, __tolower, __toupper. I have successfully compiled xlockmore from FBSD 2.0 forward and have compiled mSQL on FBSD 2.0. Thank-you in advance for considering these questions, which are beyond my very limited C programming experience. Respectfully ron Ronald Grootkarzyn email: ron@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca 4013 - 114 Avenue phone: (403) 479-2672 Edmonton, AB, T5W 0S9 From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 10:04:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA09938 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [198.81.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09896 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by covina.lightside.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0u6KM3-0004IzC; Mon, 8 Apr 96 10:03 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:03:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby To: "Daniel M. Eischen" cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Announcing a port/package of NEdit In-Reply-To: <9604081639.AA12384@iworks.InterWorks.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Apr 1996, Daniel M. Eischen wrote: > > Hi, > > I made a port and package out of nedit-4.0.1, a very good X11/Motif-based > editor. We've been using an earlier version of it at work for over a year > and it is favored over HP VUEs editor, vedit. Please try it out! > > I provided a version, statically linked with the Motif libraries, so you > will not need Motif to use it. > > Files on ftp.cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD/incoming: > nedit-4.0.1-notes.tar.gz - notes and document for nedit > nedit-4.0.1-port.tar.gz - nedit-4.0.1 port > nedit-4.0.1.tgz - pkg_add format > > > Dan Eischen > deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org Whoohoo! This is one awesome editor! Just yesterday, I tried the Solaris/X86 version (independently of your announcement), and will get the Solaris/SPARC and VMS versions today for school/work. When I reinstall FreeBSD tonight, I'll get that version too.. I _highly_ recommend this editor to anyone who is frustrated with the sheer BLOAT of Emacs, it performs most of the same text/programmer editor features (not all the other junk, News, Mail, etc, etc), is MUCH easier for new users to learn, very fast for advanced users (keyboard shortcuts for all menus) and the binary is under 400k if linked shared with Motif (and that includes 90k of online help). Check it out! If we had Motif (or Lesstif?) in the core or X11 distribution, I would suggest to make this the standard X editor for FreeBSD, but although I haven't tried it with Lesstif, I suspect it's not quite ready yet.. ---Jake From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 10:14:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA10669 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ambiguity.i-2.com (ambiguity.i-2.com [206.137.125.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10662 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ambiguity.i-2.com (localhost.i-2.com [127.0.0.1]) by ambiguity.i-2.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01260; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:02:08 GMT Message-Id: <199604081202.MAA01260@ambiguity.i-2.com> To: nordquist@platinum.com (Brent J. Nordquist) cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port of gdbm 1.7.3 to FreeBSD uploaded In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Apr 1996 11:16:38 EST." <96Apr8.112957cdt.18536@gateway.platinum.com> References: <96Apr8.112957cdt.18536@gateway.platinum.com> Reply-To: soren@ambiguity.i-2.com Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 12:02:08 +0000 From: Soren Dayton Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Brent J. Nordquist" said: >| checking out that include file seems to indicate that it uses db >| to imitate ndbm. >| >| Soren > >Thanks for that info! So I guess someone has to decide whether it >would be better to have gdbm provide that emulation. Well, I would think that db would be significantly faster than gdbm, but I may be wrong. Soren From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 10:15:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA10768 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10763 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from distortion.eng.umd.edu (distortion.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.6]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA18887 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:15:09 -0700 Received: from professor.eng.umd.edu (professor.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.207]) by distortion.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19996; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 13:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by professor.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19437; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 13:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 13:12:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@professor.eng.umd.edu To: "Brent J. Nordquist" cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port of gdbm 1.7.3 to FreeBSD uploaded In-Reply-To: <96Apr8.065238cdt.18451@gateway.platinum.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Apr 1996, Brent J. Nordquist wrote: > > I placed in in ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/gdbm-1.7.3.tar.gz. > This was an extremely straightforward port; no work Makefile or code > changes were required. I just had to develop the top-level Makefile > and the package files. > > There was only one issue of concern: FreeBSD 2.1 appears to ship with > a /usr/include/ndbm.h. However, a man -k on dbm and ndbm reveals > nothing of interest, and there don't appear to be any dbm libraries. > Does FreeBSD have dbm/ndbm support? > > If it doesn't, gdbm provides some compatibility headers and programs > for testing and converting to gdbm. To install these headers by > default, uncomment the appropriate line in the top-level Makefile. The > pkg/PLIST file should then also be updated with: > > include/dbm.h > include/ndbm.h > Brent, take a look at the dbopen man page, FreeBSD uses the Berkeley dbm code, a pretty new version, too (db.1.85). ========================================================================== Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu, I run FreeBSD-current on n3lxx + Journey2 Three Accounts for the Super-users in the sky, Seven for the Operators in their halls of fame, Nine for Ordinary Users doomed to crie, One for the Illegal Cracker with his evil game In the Domains of Internet where the data lie. One Account to rule them all, One Account to watch them, One Account to make them all and in the network bind them. From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 10:34:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA12154 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iworks.InterWorks.org (deischen@iworks.interworks.org [128.255.18.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA12149 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iworks.InterWorks.org (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA12813; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:32:17 -0500 Message-Id: <9604081732.AA12813@iworks.InterWorks.org> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:32:17 -0500 From: "Daniel M. Eischen" To: jehamby@covina.lightside.com Subject: Re: Announcing a port/package of NEdit Cc: ports@freebsd.org Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Files on ftp.cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD/incoming: >> nedit-4.0.1-notes.tar.gz - notes and document for nedit nedit-4.0.1-notes2.tar.gz - get this one instead, it has my sample resources [...] >Whoohoo! This is one awesome editor! Just yesterday, I tried the >Solaris/X86 version (independently of your announcement), and will get the >Solaris/SPARC and VMS versions today for school/work. When I reinstall >FreeBSD tonight, I'll get that version too.. Yup, I also use it under Solaris 2.4/2.5 as well as SunOS 4.1.3, HP/UX, and Linux. >I _highly_ recommend this editor to anyone who is frustrated with the >sheer BLOAT of Emacs, it performs most of the same text/programmer editor >features (not all the other junk, News, Mail, etc, etc), is MUCH easier >for new users to learn, very fast for advanced users (keyboard shortcuts >for all menus) and the binary is under 400k if linked shared with Motif >(and that includes 90k of online help). Check it out! I'm glad that someone else has used this before :-). I didn't want to sound too biased towards it, but it really is a great editor! >If we had Motif (or Lesstif?) in the core or X11 distribution, I would >suggest to make this the standard X editor for FreeBSD, but although I >haven't tried it with Lesstif, I suspect it's not quite ready yet.. How come there aren't any Motif packages? There's enough people around with Motif to make the ports/packages and since there isn't any restriction on Motif binaries (at least with my version of Motif), can't we provide some as packages? Or is it that one of the maintainers needs to be able to recreate the package? Dan Eischen deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 10:40:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA12583 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom13.netcom.com (dhawk@netcom13.netcom.com [192.100.81.125]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA12575 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by netcom13.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA07361; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:40:07 -0700 From: dhawk@netcom.com (David H) Message-Id: <199604081740.KAA07361@netcom13.netcom.com> Subject: Example of How to Use Ports? To: ports@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:40:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been wanting to install tinyfugue on my system, but haven't been able to figure out the ports setup. My machine has a T1 connection (which is how I get to it) but the cd-rom drive died, so I've been unable to see if what I need is on the cd-rom. I've read through the web page stuff about ports, but it didn't quite jell for me. What would be very helpful is a walk-through, like a 1-2-3 list of 1. mkdir /usr/ports 2. put something in a file etc. Anything like that available? Thanks. later, david -- David Hawkins - dhawk@netcom.com - DoD#1113 There are two insults no human being will endure: that he has no sense of humor, and that he has never known trouble. -- Sinclair Lewis, "Main Street" From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 12:09:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA18998 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from psiint.com (vv.psiint.com [204.189.53.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA18992 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by psiint.com (8.6.12/4.03) id MAA40332; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:09:34 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:09:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Walton To: "Daniel M. Eischen" cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Announcing a port/package of NEdit In-Reply-To: <9604081639.AA12384@iworks.InterWorks.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Apr 1996, Daniel M. Eischen wrote: > I made a port and package out of nedit-4.0.1, a very good X11/Motif-based > editor. We've been using an earlier version of it at work for over a year > and it is favored over HP VUEs editor, vedit. Please try it out! > > I provided a version, statically linked with the Motif libraries, so you > will not need Motif to use it. THANK YOU! I've been using nedit on AIX at work, and I've really hated not being able to use it on FreeBSD since I don't have Motif. Dave ========================================================================== David Walton Unix Programmer PSI INTERNATIONAL, Inc. email: dwalton@psiint.com 190 South Orchard #C200 Fax :(707)451-6484 Vacaville, CA 95688 Phone:(707)451-3503 ========================================================================== From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 12:44:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA21678 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dada.kaizen.net (dada.kaizen.net [206.27.236.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21671 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by dada.kaizen.net via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id PAA11497; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:43:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:43:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Newell To: David H cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Example of How to Use Ports? In-Reply-To: <199604081740.KAA07361@netcom13.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have the CD-ROM so I get my ports from there. To set up for doing ports first I created /usr/ports and put a link to the /cdrom/dists directory [so that if the distribution is on the CD it doesn't have to be FTP'd]: a. mkdir /usr/ports b. ln -s /cdrom/ports/distfiles /usr/ports/distfiles You only need to do this once. Then to get a port called "myport" all you need to do is: 1. cd /cdrom/ports/WHEREVER/myport 2. mkdir /usr/ports/myport 3. find . -depth -print | cpio -pd /usr/ports/myport This copies the distribution for the port to the /usr/ports directory. Then all you have to do is build the port: 4. cd /usr/ports/myport 5. make install That's the process I use; works for me... :-) Mike On Mon, 8 Apr 1996, David H wrote: > I've been wanting to install tinyfugue on my system, but haven't > been able to figure out the ports setup. My machine has a T1 > connection (which is how I get to it) but the cd-rom drive died, > so I've been unable to see if what I need is on the cd-rom. > > I've read through the web page stuff about ports, but it didn't quite > jell for me. What would be very helpful is a walk-through, like > a 1-2-3 list of > 1. mkdir /usr/ports > 2. put something in a file > etc. > > Anything like that available? > > Thanks. > > later, david > -- > David Hawkins - dhawk@netcom.com - DoD#1113 > There are two insults no human being will endure: that he has no sense of > humor, and that he has never known trouble. -- Sinclair Lewis, "Main Street" > From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 14:18:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA29410 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 14:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29404 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 14:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA12456; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 14:17:48 -0700 (PDT) To: Jake Hamby cc: "Daniel M. Eischen" , ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Announcing a port/package of NEdit In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Apr 1996 10:03:51 PDT." Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 14:17:48 -0700 Message-ID: <12454.828998268@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Whoohoo! This is one awesome editor! Just yesterday, I tried the > Solaris/X86 version (independently of your announcement), and will get the > Solaris/SPARC and VMS versions today for school/work. When I reinstall > FreeBSD tonight, I'll get that version too.. It does indeed look pretty slick, though I can't figure out how to rebind the keys so I can say that I probably will not be using it myself. My fingers are wired to EMACS, and I just naturally dive for ^P (for example) when I want to move up a line. After inadvertantly seeing the print dialog twice, I exited nedit for the last time.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 14:52:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA01866 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 14:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uucp.tip.net ([194.16.0.15]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01848 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 14:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from icon.pp.se (uucp@localhost) by uucp.tip.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with UUCP id XAA09655; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:59:38 +0200 Received: (from daniel@localhost) by icon.pp.se (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA03929; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:45:38 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:45:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199604082145.XAA03929@icon.pp.se> From: Daniel Eriksson To: deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org, ports@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Dave Walton on Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:09:33 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: Announcing a port/package of NEdit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Apr 1996, Daniel M. Eischen wrote: > I made a port and package out of nedit-4.0.1, a very good X11/Motif-based > editor. [...] > I provided a version, statically linked with the Motif libraries, so you > will not need Motif to use it. The port installed without problems, but the program itself refuses to start on anything but CURRENT (it's looking for libc.so.3.0). An ugly (but working) solution is to make a symbolic link from libc.so.2.2 (STABLE) or libc.so.2.0 (RELEASE?) to libc.so.3.0. Could someone please tell me if this (the symbolic link) will give me any strange problems? -- Daniel Eriksson, daniel@icon.pp.se From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 15:10:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA05370 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iworks.InterWorks.org (deischen@iworks.interworks.org [128.255.18.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05360 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iworks.InterWorks.org (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA14324; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:09:06 -0500 Message-Id: <9604082209.AA14324@iworks.InterWorks.org> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:09:06 -0500 From: "Daniel M. Eischen" To: jehamby@lightside.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Announcing a port/package of NEdit Cc: ports@freebsd.org Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Whoohoo! This is one awesome editor! Just yesterday, I tried the >> Solaris/X86 version (independently of your announcement), and will get the >> Solaris/SPARC and VMS versions today for school/work. When I reinstall >> FreeBSD tonight, I'll get that version too.. > >It does indeed look pretty slick, though I can't figure out how to >rebind the keys so I can say that I probably will not be using it >myself. My fingers are wired to EMACS, and I just naturally dive for >^P (for example) when I want to move up a line. After inadvertantly >seeing the print dialog twice, I exited nedit for the last time.. :-) Standard key bindings that are explained in the docs (also on incoming). With a little effort and a knowledge of Emacs key bindings, you should be able to set them up for NEdit. There's a mailing list for NEdit; I'll join and ask if anyone's done this. Dan Eischen deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 15:13:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA05753 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05748 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maryann.eng.umd.edu (maryann.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.209]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27437; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 18:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by maryann.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA24701; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 18:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 18:13:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@maryann.eng.umd.edu To: "Daniel M. Eischen" cc: jehamby@covina.lightside.com, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Announcing a port/package of NEdit In-Reply-To: <9604081732.AA12813@iworks.InterWorks.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Apr 1996, Daniel M. Eischen wrote: > > How come there aren't any Motif packages? There's enough people around > with Motif to make the ports/packages and since there isn't any restriction > on Motif binaries (at least with my version of Motif), can't we provide > some as packages? On that subject, would you mind posting a statically compiled version to incoming on, say, wcarchive, or somehwere equally convenient? > > Or is it that one of the maintainers needs to be able to recreate the package? > > Dan Eischen > deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org > ========================================================================== Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu, I run FreeBSD-current on n3lxx + Journey2 Three Accounts for the Super-users in the sky, Seven for the Operators in their halls of fame, Nine for Ordinary Users doomed to crie, One for the Illegal Cracker with his evil game In the Domains of Internet where the data lie. One Account to rule them all, One Account to watch them, One Account to make them all and in the network bind them. From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 15:18:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA06178 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06171 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA12983; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:18:13 -0700 (PDT) To: "Daniel M. Eischen" cc: jehamby@lightside.com, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Announcing a port/package of NEdit In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Apr 1996 17:09:06 CDT." <9604082209.AA14324@iworks.InterWorks.org> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 15:18:13 -0700 Message-ID: <12981.829001893@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Standard key bindings that are explained in the docs (also on incoming). > With a little effort and a knowledge of Emacs key bindings, you should be > able to set them up for NEdit. There's a mailing list for NEdit; I'll > join and ask if anyone's done this. Fair enough - I'll give this a look. I just didn't see a "rebind keys" option in any of the menus (which would, I must say, be a rather nice interface to this) and assumed that it was either non-existant or non-trivial. I no doubt assumed incorrectly on both counts. Jordan From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 15:29:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA07234 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iworks.InterWorks.org (deischen@iworks.interworks.org [128.255.18.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA07229 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iworks.InterWorks.org (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA14386; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:28:07 -0500 Message-Id: <9604082228.AA14386@iworks.InterWorks.org> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:28:07 -0500 From: "Daniel M. Eischen" To: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu Subject: Re: Announcing a port/package of NEdit Cc: jehamby@covina.lightside.com, ports@freebsd.org Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > How come there aren't any Motif packages? There's enough people around > > with Motif to make the ports/packages and since there isn't any restriction > > on Motif binaries (at least with my version of Motif), can't we provide > > some as packages? > > On that subject, would you mind posting a statically compiled version to > incoming on, say, wcarchive, or somehwere equally convenient? You should be able to use it without Motif. I posted a pkg_add'able thingy on incoming and statically linked it with the Motif libs: ftp.cdrom.com:pub/FreeBSD/incoming/nedit-4.0.1.tgz You do need a current version of libc because the major version changed from 2 to 3. Linking libc.3.0 to libc.2.x might work? Dan Eischen deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org P.S. You also need xpm3.4 also available as a package in graphics. From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 15:39:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA08216 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iworks.InterWorks.org (deischen@iworks.interworks.org [128.255.18.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08208 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iworks.InterWorks.org (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA14428; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:37:21 -0500 Message-Id: <9604082237.AA14428@iworks.InterWorks.org> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:37:21 -0500 From: "Daniel M. Eischen" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Announcing a port/package of NEdit Cc: jehamby@lightside.com, ports@freebsd.org Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Standard key bindings that are explained in the docs (also on incoming). > > With a little effort and a knowledge of Emacs key bindings, you should be > > able to set them up for NEdit. There's a mailing list for NEdit; I'll > > join and ask if anyone's done this. > >Fair enough - I'll give this a look. I just didn't see a "rebind >keys" option in any of the menus (which would, I must say, be a rather >nice interface to this) and assumed that it was either non-existant or >non-trivial. I no doubt assumed incorrectly on both counts. True, that would be a nice interface. But for those people that have ever used the VAX EDT/TPU editor and miss the learn sequence, where you can define a key to be a sequence of key strokes, now that is pretty cool, and NEdit provides it :-) If I get anything off the mailing list I'll forward it. Dan Eischen deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 15:50:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA09099 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [198.53.215.115]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09086 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tom@localhost) by misery.sdf.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id JAA13364; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:21:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: "Brent J. Nordquist" cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port of gdbm 1.7.3 to FreeBSD uploaded In-Reply-To: <96Apr8.065238cdt.18451@gateway.platinum.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Apr 1996, Brent J. Nordquist wrote: > There was only one issue of concern: FreeBSD 2.1 appears to ship with > a /usr/include/ndbm.h. However, a man -k on dbm and ndbm reveals > nothing of interest, and there don't appear to be any dbm libraries. > Does FreeBSD have dbm/ndbm support? FreeBSD has ndbm support via a compatibility interface to db. db is actually bundled in libc I've been bugging some people to get a ndbm manpage since we do provide an almost complete ndbm interface. Tom From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 18:08:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA17768 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 18:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from platinum.com (gateway.platinum.com [206.214.170.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA17763 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 18:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gateway.platinum.com id <18525>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:09:39 -0500 From: "Brent J. Nordquist" To: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:06:09 -0500 Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Content-Type: value found on gateway.platinum.com: Content-Type: text ^-illegal content type specification Apparently-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <96Apr8.200939cdt.18525@gateway.platinum.com> Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I placed the port in ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/ecc-1.3.2.tar.gz, with the package in ecc-1.3.2.tgz. This was an extremely straightforward port; no work Makefile or code changes were required. I just had to develop the top-level Makefile and the package files. -- Brent J. Nordquist PLATINUM technology, inc. (ViaTech Development Lab) nordquist@platinum.com 2600 Eagan Woods Dr., Suite 410, Eagan, MN 55121-1152 Voice +1 612 688-3033 If you can keep your head when all about you are Vmail +1 708 620-5116 losing theirs, you clearly don't understand the (ext. 7806) situation. From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 19:27:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA26073 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 19:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu (sunrise.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA26068 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 19:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA16084; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 19:30:06 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 19:30:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199604090230.TAA16084@sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu> To: ache@astral.msk.su CC: andreas@knobel.gun.de, ports@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <199604062228.CAA05714@astral.msk.su> (ache@astral.msk.su) Subject: Re: New Elm port is missing libintl (what's that !!??) From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * > > It seems that Configure script find libintl somewhere at your machine, * > > I just compile it without any problems. * > * > You are right, I missed to look also in /usr/local for that lib. * > I had to add -L/usr/local/lib ... now everything works fine. * * No, Elm not needs this lib at all, better variant is remove this lib from * /usr/local/lib, because intl is part of libc. Maybe it's better to fix elm to not look at it at all? At least finding it and not using it (because it didn't give -L/usr/local/lib to the linker) doesn't seem right at all. Or is it a problem with all autoconf-generated configure scripts? If so, I guess I agree that it's the system with /usr/local/lib/libintl.* that are "oddballs" and have to be fixed.... Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 20:55:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA02473 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA02465 Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01777; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604090355.UAA01777@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org CC: jkh@time.cdrom.com, ports@freebsd.org, gibbs@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199604072110.OAA02134@freefall.freebsd.org> (gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org) Subject: Re: NO_PACKAGE and NO_CDROM From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * I don't have a problem with wcarchive using whatever collection it * wants to, but I think the other collections should stay. Hey, I don't have a problem with other collections staying, as long as it hasn't proven to be such a pain in the backside to maintain and synchronize correctly. Let's face it, in the long history of FreeBSD ports, there never has been a time when a new directory was added to the ports tree and everything, even within freebsd.org, was updated correctly (sample supfiles, wcarchive, etc.). Especially now, since we've got dozens of mirror sites all around the world, not to mention the people's own supfiles. I propose we reorganize them to exactly two collections: ports-all with release=cvs,current ports-distfiles with release=current and get it over with. :) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 21:04:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA03228 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA03223 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA01825; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604090404.VAA01825@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: nordquist@platinum.com CC: ports@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <96Apr6.013551cst.18450@gateway.platinum.com> (nordquist@platinum.com) Subject: Re: Port of btoa 5.2.1 to FreeBSD uploaded From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * Tonight I ported my first application, btoa 5.2.1, to FreeBSD 2.1. (I * thought I'd start with something easy my first time around.) I * uploaded the result to ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming. Inside * the tar is a file called README.port that has my porting notes in it. * Feel free to contact me if you have questions/comments. Cool cool. Excellent port! I cleaned up the Makefile slightly and committed it, and also put the tarfile on freefall's LOCAL_PORTS as indicated. Thanks! Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 21:04:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA03258 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA03250 Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604090404.VAA03250@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: Host localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, ports@freebsd.org, gibbs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NO_PACKAGE and NO_CDROM In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Apr 1996 20:55:22 PDT." <199604090355.UAA01777@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 21:04:45 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Especially now, since we've got dozens of mirror sites all around the >world, not to mention the people's own supfiles. I propose we >reorganize them to exactly two collections: > > ports-all with release=cvs,current > ports-distfiles with release=current > >and get it over with. :) > >Satoshi >From my own perspective, with my puny link to the net, the multiple collections approach is far superior. All of the problems that have been brought up are simple administrative problems and I think that solving them is much easier than breaking the old collections and answering all the resulting email. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 23:05:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA12514 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12509 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA02382; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604090605.XAA02382@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: nordquist@platinum.com CC: ports@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <96Apr7.001749cst.18458@gateway.platinum.com> (nordquist@platinum.com) Subject: Re: Port of sattrack 3.1.4 to FreeBSD uploaded From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * Tonight I ported sattrack 3.1.4 to FreeBSD 2.1. I uploaded the result * to ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming. Inside the tar is a file * called README.port that has my porting notes in it. Feel free to * contact me if you have questions/comments. Very nicely done. I changed the doc directory from doc/SatTrack to share/doc/SatTrack and imported it. Thanks! Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 23:11:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA13019 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA13002 Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA08475; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:10:49 +0200 From: Thomas Gellekum Message-Id: <199604090610.IAA08475@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: NO_PACKAGE and NO_CDROM To: andreas@knobel.gun.de (Andreas Klemm) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:10:47 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de, jkh@time.cdrom.com, asami@cs.berkeley.edu, ports@freebsd.org, gibbs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Andreas Klemm at "Apr 4, 96 06:35:52 pm" Organization: Institut f. Hochfrequenztechnik, RWTH Aachen X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andreas Klemm wrote: > On Thu, 4 Apr 1996, Thomas Gellekum wrote: > > > > Does anyone here even sup a partial > > > ports tree? I know that I never have.. > > > > Well, I don't sup -russian and -japanese... > > root{1028} /usr/ports du -ks russian japanese > 153 russian > 1547 japanese > > Well, so you'd get the first time this amount of traffic ;-) But I can't pack the complete ports tree onto one floppy disk anymore :-). > BTW, better use CTM, it's more efficient.. Efficiency is no matter with data rates of 70+ KB/s from the next sup site... tg From owner-freebsd-ports Mon Apr 8 23:55:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA15627 for ports-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA15622 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03193; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604090654.XAA03193@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: nordquist@platinum.com CC: ports@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <96Apr8.200939cdt.18525@gateway.platinum.com> (nordquist@platinum.com) Subject: ecc port From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * I placed the port in ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/ecc-1.3.2.tar.gz, * with the package in ecc-1.3.2.tgz. This was an extremely * straightforward port; no work Makefile or code changes were required. * I just had to develop the top-level Makefile and the package files. Thanks, imported. By the way, a couple of notes: (1) I used GNU_CONFIGURE because this will give PREFIX to configure. (2) I used CFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" to pick it up from /etc/make.conf. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 00:05:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA16377 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 00:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA16369 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 00:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA03244; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 00:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 00:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604090704.AAA03244@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: ache@astral.msk.su CC: andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au, ports@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199604072216.CAA01747@astral.msk.su> (ache@astral.msk.su) Subject: Re: query wrt c-kermit-5a-190 port From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * > With these two calls disabled as per the distributed patches, attempting * > to SET LINE to /dev/cuaa* from kermit as built from the ports facility * > results in "access denied", which is baffling as the kermit binary as * > installed is setgid to dialer, matching the devices. * * Correct way is not to make kermit your security hole, but put * needed user into dialer group. Thanks guys, I added a note to the DESCR and a post-install target to print it out. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 00:51:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA18777 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 00:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA18751 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 00:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA12206 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:50:58 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA02043 for ports@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:50:57 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA08155 for ports@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:47:38 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604090747.JAA08155@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Announcing a port/package of NEdit To: ports@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:47:37 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at Apr 8, 96 06:13:48 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Chuck Robey wrote: > On that subject, would you mind posting a statically compiled version to > incoming on, say, wcarchive, or somehwere equally convenient? As a general hint for these things: compiling everything statically is a waste of resources. Pick only Motif statically, but leave the rest shared. (You should at least be able to do this by temporarily moving libXm.so.* out of the way.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 01:13:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA20569 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 01:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [144.206.136.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA20563 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 01:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA14338 (5.65.kiae-1 ); Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:02:44 +0300 Received: by sovcom.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Tue, 9 Apr 96 11:02:44 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00815; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:57:49 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <199604090757.LAA00815@astral.msk.su> Subject: Re: New Elm port is missing libintl (what's that !!??) To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:57:49 +0400 (MSD) Cc: andreas@knobel.gun.de, ports@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199604090230.TAA16084@sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu> from "Satoshi Asami" at "Apr 8, 96 07:30:06 pm" From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) X-Class: Fast X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > * > > It seems that Configure script find libintl somewhere at your machine, > * > > I just compile it without any problems. > * > > * > You are right, I missed to look also in /usr/local for that lib. > * > I had to add -L/usr/local/lib ... now everything works fine. > * > * No, Elm not needs this lib at all, better variant is remove this lib from > * /usr/local/lib, because intl is part of libc. > > Maybe it's better to fix elm to not look at it at all? At least > finding it and not using it (because it didn't give -L/usr/local/lib > to the linker) doesn't seem right at all. > > Or is it a problem with all autoconf-generated configure scripts? If > so, I guess I agree that it's the system with /usr/local/lib/libintl.* > that are "oddballs" and have to be fixed.... Yes, it is autoconf-configure problem, it attempt to find many libraries in this way. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - http://dt.demos.su/~ache : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 01:38:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA21981 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 01:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21971 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 01:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA03489; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 01:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 01:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604090837.BAA03489@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: dhawk@netcom.com CC: ports@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <199604081740.KAA07361@netcom13.netcom.com> (dhawk@netcom.com) Subject: Re: Example of How to Use Ports? From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * I've been wanting to install tinyfugue on my system, but haven't * been able to figure out the ports setup. My machine has a T1 * connection (which is how I get to it) but the cd-rom drive died, * so I've been unable to see if what I need is on the cd-rom. * * I've read through the web page stuff about ports, but it didn't quite * jell for me. What would be very helpful is a walk-through, like * a 1-2-3 list of * 1. mkdir /usr/ports * 2. put something in a file * etc. * * Anything like that available? If you have a T1 and not a CDROM, just go grab the whole ports tree today from the ftp site, and you will be quite happy for quite some time. :) % ncftp ftp.freebsd.org # or the nearest mirror site ncftp>cd /pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current # (1) ncftp>get ports.tar.gz ncftp>^D % tar -C /usr -xzf ports.tar.gz # (2) % cd /usr/ports/ % make install clean (1) You may want to stick to the 2.1R ports tree if you don't have FreeBSD-current. That tree is 5 months old so you won't get all the newest greatest ports though (like tinyfugue). (2) Create a symlink /usr/ports -> prior to this if your /usr is not big enough. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 02:02:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA23781 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 02:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA23767 Tue, 9 Apr 1996 02:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA15137; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 02:02:00 -0700 (PDT) To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) cc: gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org, gibbs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NO_PACKAGE and NO_CDROM In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Apr 1996 20:55:22 PDT." <199604090355.UAA01777@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 02:01:59 -0700 Message-ID: <15134.829040519@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Especially now, since we've got dozens of mirror sites all around the > world, not to mention the people's own supfiles. I propose we > reorganize them to exactly two collections: > > ports-all with release=cvs,current > ports-distfiles with release=current > > and get it over with. :) I can't argue with that, but as Justin is supmeister it's sort of his call. Convince him and it'll no doubt be done! :-) I do have to agree with Satoshi that syncronization has been a perennial problem, it seems. Jordan From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 02:07:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA24411 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 02:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA24401 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 02:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA03756; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 02:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 02:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604090907.CAA03756@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: jdli@FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw CC: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199604080938.RAA08110@FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw> (message from Jian-Da Li on Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:38:14 +0800 (CST)) Subject: Re: [PORT] xsysinfo-1.1 From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * Here is the port of xsysinfo-1.1, which is designed for FreeBSD. Thanks, after fixing the two things that Jordan pointed out, it compiled and packaged fine so I committed it. BTW, it works on thud, did you recompile your libkvm, Jordan? :> Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 02:17:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA25469 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 02:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA25453 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 02:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA03805; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 02:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 02:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604090917.CAA03805@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org CC: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu, jehamby@covina.lightside.com, ports@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <9604082228.AA14386@iworks.InterWorks.org> (deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org) Subject: Re: Announcing a port/package of NEdit From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * You should be able to use it without Motif. I posted a pkg_add'able * thingy on incoming and statically linked it with the Motif libs: * * ftp.cdrom.com:pub/FreeBSD/incoming/nedit-4.0.1.tgz Thanks! I copied it to ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/packages-current/editors/nedit-4.0.1.tgz The port itself has to wait awhile 'cause I don't have Motif here (if you want to import it, go ahead, Jordan). Satoshi (prod prod) From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 02:20:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA25942 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 02:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA25926 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 02:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA15568; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 02:20:25 -0700 (PDT) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Announcing a port/package of NEdit In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Apr 1996 09:47:37 +0200." <199604090747.JAA08155@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 02:20:24 -0700 Message-ID: <15566.829041624@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As a general hint for these things: compiling everything statically is > a waste of resources. Pick only Motif statically, but leave the rest > shared. (You should at least be able to do this by temporarily moving > libXm.so.* out of the way.) Bleah.. :-) Just reference /usr/lib/libXm.a directly on the command line instead of -lXm; that's what I do and it works just great.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 02:27:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA26570 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 02:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA26560 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 02:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA15669; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 02:25:56 -0700 (PDT) To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) cc: jdli@FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [PORT] xsysinfo-1.1 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Apr 1996 02:07:15 PDT." <199604090907.CAA03756@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 02:25:56 -0700 Message-ID: <15667.829041956@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I did, but evidently something else is wrong. I'm investigating! Jordan > * Here is the port of xsysinfo-1.1, which is designed for FreeBSD. > > Thanks, after fixing the two things that Jordan pointed out, it > compiled and packaged fine so I committed it. > > BTW, it works on thud, did you recompile your libkvm, Jordan? :> > > Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 03:07:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA29657 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 03:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA29634 Tue, 9 Apr 1996 03:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA16409; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 03:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 03:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604091006.DAA16409@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org CC: jkh@time.cdrom.com, ports@freebsd.org, gibbs@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199604090404.VAA03250@freefall.freebsd.org> (gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org) Subject: Re: NO_PACKAGE and NO_CDROM From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * From my own perspective, with my puny link to the net, the multiple * collections approach is far superior. But the ports collection is soooo small! As I remember, the whole ports tree (minus distfiles) was about 10MB. This is smaller than src/gnu/usr.bin/cc! (If you have such a `puny' link and can't even stand that, why are you supping -current? ;) * All of the problems that have * been brought up are simple administrative problems and I think that * solving them is much easier than breaking the old collections and * answering all the resulting email. Don't forget that failing to properly synchronize the sup targets will bring up questions and/or ftp site inconsistencies. And we have a long history of not being able to handle that "simple" problem, not to mention it has been quite a nuisance to maintain. I'd rather spend that time to do something more productive. Anyway, I have said all I wanted to, it seems quite a few people agree with me but if you really want it that way, well it's your call. I really don't care (myself anyway) if my machine and wcarchive can stay up-to-date by using cvs-all, and I'll recommend that to others too.... Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 03:21:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA00795 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 03:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.csie.nctu.edu.tw (phoenix.csie.nctu.edu.tw [140.113.17.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA00752 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 03:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw (root@freebsd.csie.nctu.edu.tw [140.113.235.250]) by phoenix.csie.nctu.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA29279 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:20:09 +0800 Received: (from jdli@localhost) by FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03133 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:19:36 +0800 (CST) From: Jian-Da Li Message-Id: <199604091019.SAA03133@FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw> Subject: [FVWM95] anyone want to make it to be a port ?! To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:19:36 +0800 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://ltiwww.epfl.ch/~barth/fvwm95.html I don't have any FreeBSD machine with X nearby, so I can't do it. From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 04:05:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA03056 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 04:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA03050 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 04:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA17438; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 04:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 04:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604091105.EAA17438@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org CC: ports@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <9604081639.AA12384@iworks.InterWorks.org> (deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org) Subject: Re: Announcing a port/package of NEdit From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * I made a port and package out of nedit-4.0.1, a very good X11/Motif-based * editor. We've been using an earlier version of it at work for over a year * and it is favored over HP VUEs editor, vedit. Please try it out! Thanks, I just got a Motif package for building ports so I compiled and committed it! The package that I built is on the ftp site too! Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 05:03:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA06872 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 05:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA06348 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 04:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id NAA24252; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:54:15 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id NAA05918; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:54:03 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA09680; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:16:26 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604091116.NAA09680@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Announcing a port/package of NEdit To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:16:25 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, ports@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <15566.829041624@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Apr 9, 96 02:20:24 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > (You should at least be able to do this by temporarily moving > > libXm.so.* out of the way.) > > Bleah.. :-) > > Just reference /usr/lib/libXm.a directly on the command line instead > of -lXm; that's what I do and it works just great.. :-) Grrr... :) ,,Es gibt viele Wege nach Rom.'' ;) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 08:10:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA17360 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from psiint.com (vv.psiint.com [204.189.53.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA17321 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by psiint.com (8.6.12/4.03) id IAA64100; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:09:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:09:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Walton To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Jake Hamby , "Daniel M. Eischen" , ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Announcing a port/package of NEdit In-Reply-To: <12454.828998268@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Apr 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > It does indeed look pretty slick, though I can't figure out how to > rebind the keys so I can say that I probably will not be using it > myself. My fingers are wired to EMACS, and I just naturally dive for > ^P (for example) when I want to move up a line. After inadvertantly > seeing the print dialog twice, I exited nedit for the last time.. :-) I should probably give you a hard time for having programmed your fingers in a non-reconfigurable way, but I won't. :) Do some reading in Help/X Resources in the section "Binding Keys to Actions", and int Help/Action Routines. I did a little experimenting with the info there, and changed Ctrl-P from print to cursor up by adding the following lines to my .Xdefaults file: # Detach Ctrl-P from File/Print... nedit*fileMenu.print.accelerator: # Remove "Ctrl+P" from File menu nedit*fileMenu.print.acceleratorText: # Bind Ctrl-P to cursor up function nedit*text.Translations: #override \ Ctrlp: process-up() I'll let you take it from there... Dave ========================================================================== David Walton Unix Programmer PSI INTERNATIONAL, Inc. email: dwalton@psiint.com 190 South Orchard #C200 Fax :(707)451-6484 Vacaville, CA 95688 Phone:(707)451-3503 ========================================================================== From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 08:17:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA17919 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from psiint.com (vv.psiint.com [204.189.53.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA17910 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by psiint.com (8.6.12/4.03) id IAA47964; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:17:08 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:17:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Walton To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Daniel M. Eischen" , ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Announcing a port/package of NEdit In-Reply-To: <12981.829001893@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Apr 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Fair enough - I'll give this a look. I just didn't see a "rebind > keys" option in any of the menus (which would, I must say, be a rather > nice interface to this) You may want to suggest this to the NEdit folks. Here's a couple addresses you can use: "Mark Edel, Fermilab (708)840-2496" nedit_support@fnal.fnal.gov Dave ========================================================================== David Walton Unix Programmer PSI INTERNATIONAL, Inc. email: dwalton@psiint.com 190 South Orchard #C200 Fax :(707)451-6484 Vacaville, CA 95688 Phone:(707)451-3503 ========================================================================== From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 08:21:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA18181 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18166 Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with SMTP id PAA08464 ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:49:53 +0100 (BST) To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) cc: gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: NO_PACKAGE and NO_CDROM In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Apr 1996 03:06:37 PDT." <199604091006.DAA16409@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 15:49:53 +0100 Message-ID: <8462.829061393@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Satoshi Asami wrote in message ID <199604091006.DAA16409@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU>: > * From my own perspective, with my puny link to the net, the multiple > * collections approach is far superior. > > But the ports collection is soooo small! As I remember, the whole > ports tree (minus distfiles) was about 10MB. This is smaller than > src/gnu/usr.bin/cc! (If you have such a `puny' link and can't even > stand that, why are you supping -current? ;) Speaking as someone who used to sup the ports collection across a 14k4 modem with a 50-70% packet loss link to freebsd.org, I can tell you why ... the actual ports data is only a fraction of the battle, the rest comes when sup tries to re-timestamp all the directories in the collection. As it's the CVS tree ... *UGH* (If you hadn't realised, the process of running an `update' on the tree updates the timestamps, or used to at least). So pulling over data was okay, but waiting for sup to go through each directory one at a time, and getting some response from the server (which, over half the time never got here and had to be retransmitted) was a right ROYAL PAIN. I'm MORE than glad to actually have the disk space now to get the cvs tree by CTM. For those that are not so lucky, I'd REALLY like to see the separate ports collections stay. Gary From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 11:25:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA01009 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01001 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id UAA23931; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 20:00:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA06376; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:55:12 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:55:08 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Klemm To: Jian-Da Li cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [FVWM95] anyone want to make it to be a port ?! In-Reply-To: <199604091019.SAA03133@FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, Jian-Da Li wrote: > > http://ltiwww.epfl.ch/~barth/fvwm95.html > > I don't have any FreeBSD machine with X nearby, so I can't do it. Ok, will make a port out of it.... andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMWqkfvMLpmkD/U+FAQEucAQAleNkKXihX9zwVdteKbbAqgXr5RXtz5MB Prqx7Hjv7uJIQUUbuLnuOScM3RV8aT06Sbk9gbjPN8f7x3OCU0gN9nVzP03gjSna DTg8hzQYbtSe+s0dpXcOK9+iBqJcUQxaGS7+cMBHc1xMSNfkB8H4Pip8walx/6jV kQrDLtEbYgM= =x+r4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 15:14:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA20691 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu (sunrise.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA20673 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA17986; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:17:19 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:17:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199604092217.PAA17986@sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu> To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Question about Motif packages From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a question to you guys who have Motif. (1) Where do they install the libraries and include files? Are there any packages that install them outside /usr/X11R6? (2) What is the imake support like? Do they leave "xmkmf" alone, providing an extra "mxmkmf" or do they clobber lib/X11/config/* to the state that "xmkmf" isn't the same anymore? Specifically, do you think patching the Imakefile to include "-L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXm" or "/usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.a" depending on whether the binary is to be built dynamic or static should suffice? The "patching Imakefile" part is important, because that can be done during the patch stage -- we can't patch the resulting Makefile without hacking the ports build mechanism quite a bit. Thanks Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Apr 9 21:54:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA23986 for ports-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23974 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA21080; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:50:51 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199604100520.OAA21080@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: [FVWM95] anyone want to make it to be a port ?! To: jdli@freebsd.csie.nctu.edu.tw (Jian-Da Li) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:50:51 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199604091019.SAA03133@FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw> from "Jian-Da Li" at Apr 9, 96 06:19:36 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jian-Da Li stands accused of saying: > > > http://ltiwww.epfl.ch/~barth/fvwm95.html > > I don't have any FreeBSD machine with X nearby, so I can't do it. It drops into the fvwm2 port quite easily, though they're using cuserid() so you have to add -lcompat to KLUDGE_LIBS in Fvwm.tmpl to get it to build. Doesn't work though; sig11's as soon as you try to do anything. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 00:02:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA04999 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 00:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA04973 Wed, 10 Apr 1996 00:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA01132; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 00:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 00:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604100702.AAA01132@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: ports@freebsd.org CC: current@freebsd.org Reply-to: ports@freebsd.org Subject: NO_CDROM and Motif changes to bsd.port.mk From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here is my first cut for NO_CDROM and Motif support to bsd.port.mk. Please try it on your -current system and let me know how it goes. I'll commit changes to Motif-requiring ports (xmcd, nedit, Mosaic, ashe) shortly. If you have Motif, set HAVE_MOTIF in /etc/make.conf. (If REQUIRES_MOTIF is set, make won't do anything unless HAVE_MOTIF is set.) The porter is expected to use ${MOTIFLIB} wherever libXm is required. This will substitute to "-L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXm" (the default) or "/usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.a" (if MOTIF_STATIC is set...probably only I need this ;). This means, in your Imakefile or Makefile in the port source: (1) If it refers to "XmClientLibs" (Imakefile only), replace it with "${MOTIFLIB} XawClientLibs" (2) If it uses "-L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXm -l", replace it with "${MOTIFLIB} -L/usr/X11R6/lib -l" There may be variations, but you get the idea. For now, I assumed Motif include files and libraries are in standard X11R6 locations. If someone has a Motif package that doesn't follow this convention, please let me know asap. There's also two more boolean variables that disable building: RESTRICTED and BROKEN. I'm planning to add all the ports into SUBDIR lists of parent Makefiles so that they will show up in INDEX, README.html and such. Satoshi ------- Index: bsd.port.mk =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/mk/bsd.port.mk,v retrieving revision 1.200 diff -u -r1.200 bsd.port.mk --- bsd.port.mk 1996/04/07 08:34:21 1.200 +++ bsd.port.mk 1996/04/10 06:53:23 @@ -82,11 +82,14 @@ # NO_CONFIGURE - Use a dummy (do-nothing) configure target. # NO_BUILD - Use a dummy (do-nothing) build target. # NO_PACKAGE - Use a dummy (do-nothing) package target. +# NO_CDROM - Use a dummy (do-nothing) package target if FOR_CDROM is set. # NO_INSTALL - Use a dummy (do-nothing) install target. # NO_WRKSUBDIR - Assume port unpacks directly into ${WRKDIR}. # NO_WRKDIR - There's no work directory at all; port does this someplace # else. # NO_DEPENDS - Don't verify build of dependencies. +# BROKEN - Port is broken. +# RESTRICTED - Port is restricted. Set this string to the reason why. # USE_GMAKE - Says that the port uses gmake. # USE_IMAKE - Says that the port uses imake. # USE_X11 - Says that the port uses X11. @@ -141,6 +144,14 @@ # NCFTP - Full path to ncftp command if not in $PATH (default: ncftp). # NCFTPFLAGS - Arguments to ${NCFTP} (default: -N). # +# Motif support: +# +# REQUIRES_MOTIF - Set this in your port if it requires Motif. It will be +# built only if HAVE_MOTIF is set. +# HAVE_MOTIF - If set, means system has Motif. Typically set in +# /etc/make.conf. +# MOTIF_STATIC - If set, link libXm statically; otherwise, link it +# dynamically. # # Variables to change if you want a special behavior: # @@ -249,8 +260,10 @@ XMKMF?= xmkmf -a MD5?= /sbin/md5 MD5_FILE?= ${FILESDIR}/md5 + MAKE_FLAGS?= -f MAKEFILE?= Makefile +MAKE_ENV?= PREFIX=${PREFIX} LOCALBASE=${LOCALBASE} X11BASE=${X11BASE} MOTIFLIB="${MOTIFLIB}" NCFTP?= /usr/bin/ncftp NCFTPFLAGS?= -N @@ -323,6 +336,15 @@ # where pkg_add records its dirty deeds. PKG_DBDIR?= /var/db/pkg +# shared/dynamic motif libs +.if defined(HAVE_MOTIF) +.if defined(MOTIF_STATIC) +MOTIFLIB?= ${X11BASE}/lib/libXm.a +.else +MOTIFLIB?= -L${X11BASE}/lib -lXm +.endif +.endif + ECHO?= /bin/echo CAT+= /bin/cat CP?= /bin/cp @@ -389,6 +411,8 @@ .MAIN: all ################################################################ +# Many ways to disable a port. +# # If we're in BATCH mode and the port is interactive, or we're # in interactive mode and the port is non-interactive, skip all # the important targets. The reason we have two modes is that @@ -396,10 +420,27 @@ # overnight, then come back in the morning and do _only_ the # interactive ones that required your intervention. # -# This allows you to do both. +# Don't attempt to build ports that require Motif if you don't +# have Motif. +# +# Ignore ports that can't be reselled if building for a CDROM. +# +# Don't build a port if it's restricted and we don't want to get +# into that. +# +# Don't build a port if it's broken. ################################################################ -.if (defined(IS_INTERACTIVE) && defined(BATCH)) || (!defined(IS_INTERACTIVE) && defined(INTERACTIVE)) +.if (defined(IS_INTERACTIVE) && defined(BATCH)) || \ + (!defined(IS_INTERACTIVE) && defined(INTERACTIVE)) || \ + (defined(REQUIRES_MOTIF) && !defined(HAVE_MOTIF)) || \ + (defined(NO_CDROM) && defined(FOR_CDROM)) || \ + (defined(RESTRICTED) && defined(NO_RESTRICTED)) || \ + defined(BROKEN) +IGNORE= yes +.endif + +.if defined(IGNORE) all: @${DO_NADA} build: @@ -648,9 +689,9 @@ .if !target(do-build) do-build: .if defined(USE_GMAKE) - @(cd ${WRKSRC}; ${GMAKE} PREFIX=${PREFIX} X11BASE=${X11BASE} ${MAKE_FLAGS} ${MAKEFILE} ${ALL_TARGET}) + @(cd ${WRKSRC}; ${SETENV} ${MAKE_ENV} ${GMAKE} ${MAKE_FLAGS} ${MAKEFILE} ${ALL_TARGET}) .else defined(USE_GMAKE) - @(cd ${WRKSRC}; ${MAKE} PREFIX=${PREFIX} X11BASE=${X11BASE} ${MAKE_FLAGS} ${MAKEFILE} ${ALL_TARGET}) + @(cd ${WRKSRC}; ${SETENV} ${MAKE_ENV} ${MAKE} ${MAKE_FLAGS} ${MAKEFILE} ${ALL_TARGET}) .endif .endif @@ -659,14 +700,14 @@ .if !target(do-install) do-install: .if defined(USE_GMAKE) - @(cd ${WRKSRC}; ${GMAKE} PREFIX=${PREFIX} X11BASE=${X11BASE} ${MAKE_FLAGS} ${MAKEFILE} ${INSTALL_TARGET}) + @(cd ${WRKSRC}; ${SETENV} ${MAKE_ENV} ${GMAKE} ${MAKE_FLAGS} ${MAKEFILE} ${INSTALL_TARGET}) .if defined(USE_IMAKE) && !defined(NO_INSTALL_MANPAGES) - @(cd ${WRKSRC}; ${GMAKE} ${MAKE_FLAGS} ${MAKEFILE} install.man) + @(cd ${WRKSRC}; ${SETENV} ${MAKE_ENV} ${GMAKE} ${MAKE_FLAGS} ${MAKEFILE} install.man) .endif .else defined(USE_GMAKE) - @(cd ${WRKSRC}; ${MAKE} PREFIX=${PREFIX} X11BASE=${X11BASE} ${MAKE_FLAGS} ${MAKEFILE} ${INSTALL_TARGET}) + @(cd ${WRKSRC}; ${SETENV} ${MAKE_ENV} ${MAKE} ${MAKE_FLAGS} ${MAKEFILE} ${INSTALL_TARGET}) .if defined(USE_IMAKE) && !defined(NO_INSTALL_MANPAGES) - @(cd ${WRKSRC}; ${MAKE} ${MAKE_FLAGS} ${MAKEFILE} install.man) + @(cd ${WRKSRC}; ${SETENV} ${MAKE_ENV} ${MAKE} ${MAKE_FLAGS} ${MAKEFILE} install.man) .endif .endif .endif From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 00:05:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA05222 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 00:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [205.218.122.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05209 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 00:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA08681; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 02:03:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 02:03:44 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" X-Sender: winter@sasami To: Michael Smith cc: Jian-Da Li , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FVWM95] anyone want to make it to be a port ?! In-Reply-To: <199604100520.OAA21080@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > Jian-Da Li stands accused of saying: > > http://ltiwww.epfl.ch/~barth/fvwm95.html > > I don't have any FreeBSD machine with X nearby, so I can't do it. > It drops into the fvwm2 port quite easily, though they're using cuserid() > so you have to add -lcompat to KLUDGE_LIBS in Fvwm.tmpl to get it to > build. > Doesn't work though; sig11's as soon as you try to do anything. Works fine here. I've almost got my fvwmrc migrated over as well. Its pretty slick. Have a good one. | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?"| From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 01:03:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA08657 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 01:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fred.soi.city.ac.uk (root@fred.soi.city.ac.uk [138.40.92.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA08650 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 01:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hamlet.sarc.city.ac.uk (hamlet.sarc.city.ac.uk [138.40.90.2]) by fred.soi.city.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA15253 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:02:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:00:25 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wilkinson To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Port of Kaffe-0.3 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've uploaded a port of Kaffe-0.3 onto freebsd.org in /pub/FreeBSD/incoming. The file is called kaffe-0.3-port.tgz. Regards Tim -- Tim Wilkinson Email: tim@sarc.city.ac.uk Systems Architecture Research Centre, Tel: +44 171 477 8551 City University, Northampton Sq., Fax: +44 171 477 8587 London EC1V 0HB, UK. From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 03:39:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA21292 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 03:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asstdc.scgt.oz.au (root@asstdc.scgt.oz.au [202.14.234.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA21268 Wed, 10 Apr 1996 03:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from imb@localhost) by asstdc.scgt.oz.au (8.7.5/BSD4.4) id UAA05342 Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:39:13 +1000 (EST) From: michael butler Message-Id: <199604101039.UAA05342@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Subject: Re: NO_CDROM and Motif changes to bsd.port.mk To: ports@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:39:12 +1000 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199604100702.AAA01132@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> from "Satoshi Asami" at Apr 10, 96 00:02:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24beta] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Satoshi Asami writes: > Here is my first cut for NO_CDROM and Motif support to bsd.port.mk. Which is the "recommended" Motif port for FreeBSD ? I know of two but have heard varying comments of disappointment about both so I held off .. and which originating from which version .. 1.? michael From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 04:10:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA24736 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 04:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA24666 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 04:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA12139 for ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:09:36 +0200 From: Thomas Gellekum Message-Id: <199604101109.NAA12139@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: Trying to port ghc-0.26 to FreeBSD-2.0.5 (fwd) To: ports@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:09:34 +0200 (MET DST) Organization: Institut f. Hochfrequenztechnik, RWTH Aachen X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Moin moin, I received this yesterday. I don't currently have the time to work on it, but if anyone wants to check it out: ----- Forwarded message from Will Partain ----- To follow up on your message of some time back: Our man Simon Marlow has GHC going on FreeBSD 2.x; the sources I put out last week (ftp.dcs.gla.ac.uk:pub/haskell/glasgow/working/ghc-960404*) should be very very close to what is actually working on his machine. Will ----- End of forwarded message from Will Partain ----- Note that this is a *snapshot*, not a stable release. Please report problems to Simon Marlow. tg From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 04:18:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA25487 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 04:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iworks.InterWorks.org (deischen@iworks.interworks.org [128.255.18.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA25480 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 04:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iworks.InterWorks.org (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA19550; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 06:16:46 -0500 Message-Id: <9604101116.AA19550@iworks.InterWorks.org> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 06:16:46 -0500 From: "Daniel M. Eischen" To: asami@CS.Berkeley.EDU, ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Question about Motif packages Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I have a question to you guys who have Motif. > >(1) Where do they install the libraries and include files? Are there > any packages that install them outside /usr/X11R6? SWiM 2.0 makes you set a link from /usr/X386 to /usr/X11R6. It then uses /usr/X386 in its Install script. The static libraries and include files then get installed in /usr/X386/lib and /usr/X386/include respectively. This is fine. But the provided install script also wants to install the shared libraries in /lib; I changed this to be the same as the static libs (/usr/X386/lib = /usr/X11R6/lib). The Install script has a couple of minor bugs that are easily fixed. >(2) What is the imake support like? Do they leave "xmkmf" alone, > providing an extra "mxmkmf" or do they clobber lib/X11/config/* to > the state that "xmkmf" isn't the same anymore? > > Specifically, do you think patching the Imakefile to include > "-L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXm" or "/usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.a" depending on > whether the binary is to be built dynamic or static should > suffice? Patching the LOCAL_LIBRARIES to "-lXm -lXt -lX11 -lXext" or to "/usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.a -lXt -lX11 -lXext" for dynamic or static should work fine. > The "patching Imakefile" part is important, because that can be > done during the patch stage -- we can't patch the resulting > Makefile without hacking the ports build mechanism quite a bit. SWiM 2.0 does leave xmkmf alone and does provide a mxmkmf. They update the lib/X11/config/Imake.tmpl and save the original Imake.tmpl in Imake.tmpl.old Do you want the unpatched Install script for SWiM 2.0? Dan Eischen deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 05:39:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA01017 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 05:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyburbia.bns.com.au (cyburbia.bns.com.au [203.19.43.177]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA00985 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 05:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from justin@localhost) by cyburbia.bns.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA26177; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:12:25 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:12:25 +0000 () From: Justin Viiret To: "Matthew N. Dodd" cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [FVWM95] anyone want to make it to be a port ?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > Works fine here. I've almost got my fvwmrc migrated over as well. > Its pretty slick. You wouldn't consider making up a port? I managed to get it to build (dropped it into the fvwm2 port and added -lcompat to KLUDGE_LIBS in Fvwm.tmpl), but after installing everything... no go. Running fvwm95-2 under X freezes, and I have to close down X :( /-------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Justin Viiret Cyburbia Network Services | | justin@cyburbia.bns.com.au Co-sysadmin | | http://cyburbia.bns.com.au/~justin A96 Music Competition (dis)Organiser | \------------------[Relax, it's only ones and zeroes.]--------------------/ From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 06:23:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA04381 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 06:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lenzi (ra11.dial.ufsc.br [150.162.246.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA04374 Wed, 10 Apr 1996 06:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lenzi@localhost) by lenzi (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA01527; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:24:58 -0300 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:24:55 -0300 (EST) From: "Lenzi, Sergio" X-Sender: lenzi@lenzi To: ports@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello all. I have uploaded (in pub/FreeBSD/incoming) a package (lesstif.tgz) that is a motif compatible window manager (with includes and libXm.a/libXm.so.0.36) I am using mwm program compiled within and seems to work OK. Waiting for any comments, Sergio Lenzi. Unix consult. From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 07:21:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA09691 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tky007.tth.expo96.ad.jp (root@tky007.tth.expo96.ad.jp [133.246.32.58]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA09683 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tky007.tth.expo96.ad.jp (masafumi@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.tky007.tth.expo96.ad.jp (8.7.5/3.4W4-SMTP) with ESMTP id XAA19199; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:22:46 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199604101422.XAA19199@mail.tky007.tth.expo96.ad.jp> To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Cc: t94303mn@sfc.keio.ac.jp Subject: How to apply patch distributed in tar.gz format? From: Masafumi NAKANE/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQ2Y6LDJtSjgbKEI=?= Reply-To: t94303mn@sfc.keio.ac.jp X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.28.1, Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:22:45 +0900 Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm porting a program that has patch files distributed in tar.gz format. So, after extracting the original archive, you after extract patch file from the patch distribution archive to apply it. Could anyone tell me how to write the Makefile to do such a task? Thanks. Masafumi From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 08:35:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA14880 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA14875 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by news.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63) id RAA07966; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:32:02 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche.bowtie.nl (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA17914; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:42:25 +0200 Message-Id: <199604101442.QAA17914@nietzsche.bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: Justin Viiret cc: "Matthew N. Dodd" , freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [FVWM95] anyone want to make it to be a port ?! In-reply-to: justin's message of Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:12:25 -0000. Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:42:23 +0200 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > > > Works fine here. I've almost got my fvwmrc migrated over as well. > > Its pretty slick. > > You wouldn't consider making up a port? I managed to get it to build > (dropped it into the fvwm2 port and added -lcompat to KLUDGE_LIBS in > Fvwm.tmpl), but after installing everything... no go. Running fvwm95-2 > under X freezes, and I have to close down X :( > I made the same mistake, you have to install the example.fvwm2rc95 as ~/.fvwm2rc95 Regards, Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 09:05:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA16584 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (root@xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16577 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (smpatel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA08087; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:04:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: Tim Wilkinson cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Port of Kaffe-0.3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Tim Wilkinson wrote: > I've uploaded a port of Kaffe-0.3 onto freebsd.org in /pub/FreeBSD/incoming. > The file is called kaffe-0.3-port.tgz. Can you make this port rely on the "jdk" port which is in ports-current. This will give you the JDK classes.zip (and this can be shared with other ports using this file). Also, if you install "javac" in /usr/local/bin, please install as something else (like javac_kaffe) and then do a ln -sf javac_kaffe javac. Sujal From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 09:23:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA17684 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [205.218.122.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17678 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA27247; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:23:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:23:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" X-Sender: winter@sasami To: Justin Viiret cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [FVWM95] anyone want to make it to be a port ?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Justin Viiret wrote: > You wouldn't consider making up a port? I managed to get it to build > (dropped it into the fvwm2 port and added -lcompat to KLUDGE_LIBS in > Fvwm.tmpl), but after installing everything... no go. Running fvwm95-2 > under X freezes, and I have to close down X :( I had considered it. I need to figure out why xmkmf insists on using /usr/local/X11R6/.... instead of /usr/X11R6 The reason you need libcompat is the call 'cuserid' which is depreciated. It would be easier to patch it to use getuserid owr whatever. I'll mess with it some more and see if I can get it to compile and install cleanly. (and run) | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?"| From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 11:25:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA28016 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28011 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA25725; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:31:31 +0300 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:31:30 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: Sujal Patel cc: Tim Wilkinson , ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Port of Kaffe-0.3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Sujal Patel wrote: > On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Tim Wilkinson wrote: > > > I've uploaded a port of Kaffe-0.3 onto freebsd.org in /pub/FreeBSD/incoming. > > The file is called kaffe-0.3-port.tgz. > > Can you make this port rely on the "jdk" port which is in ports-current. > This will give you the JDK classes.zip (and this can be shared with other ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Can't a mini-port be made out of this file? I mean, if there are and is going to be many ports depending on some file (or files) while not depending on other parts of the respective port, then woudln't it be better to sperate that file into another port (licence permitting) and make all those ports depend on that mini-port (in this case classes.zip)? Oops... a way too long sentence :( > ports using this file). > > Also, if you install "javac" in /usr/local/bin, please install as > something else (like javac_kaffe) and then do a ln -sf javac_kaffe javac. > > > Sujal > > Sander Eat good food, preserve nature, be nice to all nice people :) From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 11:29:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA28264 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (root@xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28254 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (smpatel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA08676; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:26:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: Narvi cc: Tim Wilkinson , ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Port of Kaffe-0.3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Narvi wrote: > > This will give you the JDK classes.zip (and this can be shared with other > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Can't a mini-port be made out of this file? I mean, if there are and is > going to be many ports depending on some file (or files) while not > depending on other parts of the respective port, then woudln't it be > better to sperate that file into another port (licence permitting) and > make all those ports depend on that mini-port (in this case classes.zip)? The "jdk" port is the mini-port that you are talking about. It includes classes.zip, COPYRIGHT, and the javac.properties file. Sujal From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 13:19:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA05139 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04947 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA09355; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:18:52 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA04683; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:18:51 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA01131; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:52:26 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604101952.VAA01131@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Question about Motif packages To: asami@CS.Berkeley.EDU (Satoshi Asami) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:52:25 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199604092217.PAA17986@sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu> from "Satoshi Asami" at Apr 9, 96 03:17:19 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Satoshi Asami wrote: > > I have a question to you guys who have Motif. > > (1) Where do they install the libraries and include files? Are there > any packages that install them outside /usr/X11R6? As i wrote: i love to have it separately. > (2) What is the imake support like? Do they leave "xmkmf" alone, > providing an extra "mxmkmf" or do they clobber lib/X11/config/* to > the state that "xmkmf" isn't the same anymore? Perhaps not use the wrapper (should it even exist), but pick something like imake -DUseInstalledMotif -DUseInstalled \ -I${MOTIFBASE}/lib/X11/config instead? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 13:20:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA05438 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA05034 Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA09373; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:19:00 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA04687; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:18:59 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA00985; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:31:02 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604101931.VAA00985@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: NO_CDROM and Motif changes to bsd.port.mk To: ports@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:31:02 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199604100702.AAA01132@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> from "Satoshi Asami" at Apr 10, 96 00:02:40 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Satoshi Asami wrote: > The porter is expected to use ${MOTIFLIB} wherever libXm is > required. This will substitute to "-L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXm" (the > default) or "/usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.a" (if MOTIF_STATIC is > set...probably only I need this ;). Can this be overridden, e.g. from /etc/make.conf? I usually install my Motif to /usr/Motif completely. (This turned out to be one of the extremely weak points of the Lasershi^H^H^Hmoon package, but it finally prevented me from having them clobbered my Imake templates. :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 13:43:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA07227 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07218 Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id WAA23966; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:15:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA15099; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:10:48 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:10:47 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Klemm To: asami@freebsd.org cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: fvwm95 port included - really *cool* stuff !!!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi ! Have fun with that port people ... Never saw such a nice looking X11 desktop ;-)) A Win95 lookalike <<< powered by FreeBSD >>> Andreas /// begin 664 fvwm95.tar.gz M'XL("*P4;#$"`V9V=VTY-2YT87(`[%U[=]I(LL^_Z%/TQ8XW,9%`/&UV/->. M[22^8QL?0R;LV=GC(T0#&@LU*PD;SYRYG_U6=>O]`)QQF+TS=&+TZ*I?5S^J MNJJ%FM'#X_2P47[U+1.I5UJM!GE%,%421^^"--5:K:)6JU65$+52JS1?D<:K M#:2YXVHV(:]LQMQE=(\32LU7?[HT$OU_I=W3D6'2;U*&6JDTF_7<_J]!OM__ M:@W/U6JE5GU%*MO^_^9IAUS31S)CMNL0G9DFU5V#663JC0&S8=M@M5I:+451WRSC27$MVF<(#[A2]T2$YF-F@SJ:KM1JNM MMLC5>8^<=7M$/3QL`L>7"9L"9>'$&@*;0WXPZ71*OM/$Y?&]Q0;45,9S2QG2 M[Z4=X-B]&+;)+IQ*9Q?=WO7)U?E1()XGR.E)[_QCY_;BO%LZ*BQ45;HZZ?;. 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Dodd" , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FVWM95] anyone want to make it to be a port ?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Justin Viiret wrote: > On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > > > Works fine here. I've almost got my fvwmrc migrated over as well. > > Its pretty slick. > > You wouldn't consider making up a port? I managed to get it to build > (dropped it into the fvwm2 port and added -lcompat to KLUDGE_LIBS in > Fvwm.tmpl), but after installing everything... no go. Running fvwm95-2 > under X freezes, and I have to close down X :( BTW ... I said it ... I've done it ... I made the port for you in a hurry and fine tuned it like hell .... ;-) If there are lot's of people now, who are making the port, I think then I'd have a reason to be a bit p***** off, since I spend some hours of work with making it really good for you ;-)) The problems you had, I had, too .... They are *solved* now. Andreas /// - -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMWwW5vMLpmkD/U+FAQGKogP9HVYG4EgqNDq8LQTRI6uYfeDhCfCp+C/k Y+QyzU0aWajIBR0S0EGQHKofx7qkigjCl9IsRjA71D7taeqpolNUMgYERn+Tnl7c 9P1mLs1EvwsnE6QWyImHSUJYDa2B9+Gpst9X4CAdhTbIeg8oyzfFfqHwHnyDY/mA RX+mx1XhGjM= =h5k/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 13:47:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA07623 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07595 Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA02340; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:44:27 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199604102044.NAA02340@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. To: lenzi@cwbone.bsi.com.br (Lenzi, Sergio) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:44:27 -0700 (MST) Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Lenzi, Sergio" at Apr 10, 96 10:24:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have uploaded (in pub/FreeBSD/incoming) a package (lesstif.tgz) that is > a motif compatible window manager (with includes and libXm.a/libXm.so.0.36) > > I am using mwm program compiled within and seems to work OK. > > Waiting for any comments, You asked for comments; here are mine, for what they are worth: Lesstif is a clone Motif library, not a window manager. It is incomplete at this time (ie: not ready for prime time). It also has a number of outstanding non-technical problems (described in detail below). I believe Lesstif to be legally "at risk". It implements undocumented Motif interfaces that would require looking at a real Motif distribution's header files and namelisting a real Motif library (both of which have been discussed on the Lesstif list). Further, it is a Motif 1.x library implementation; many of those undocumented interfaces have been converted to documented interfaces in Motif 2.x. From the 2.x documentation, it is clear that only some of the _Xmt routines have been exported as Xmt_ routines, and even then, there have been interface changes -- meaning there is no legally usable public documentation of some of the interfaces that Lesstif implements. Further, Lesstif implements macros and manifest constant values that could only be implemented with knowledge of the OSF header files. Better, in my opinion, to not implement them and require code that is out of spec to be corrected (from my personal experience with a stub library and real header files built entirely from published documentation, the MOXftp code and the font handling in the "Motif toolkit" library from the book is the only publically available source code that uses promiscuous knowledge of Motif internals to subclass widgets). Admittedly, header files have been judged to be published documentation of interfaces in past court cases, despite Copyright and Non-publication notices in the header file body. One might successfully argue that library namelists and the structural information a library namelist presents in terms of module organization and call graph, and the functional call graph output from a trace of a program bot fall into the "published" category as well. But to do so will probably require a legal fund sufficient to fight a harrassment suit designed to put a potential competitor out of business. Better to adopt "clean room" techniques and document every source used to implement every interface that is implemented, and to make sure that those sources are in the form of published materials, preferrably textbooks and sample programs from publically distributed archives with at least one commercial distributor. Basically, I believe OSF is in a position to be able to shut Lesstif down if it becomes a threat to their sales. Remember that PARCPlace reimplemented a Motif library which OSF refused to allow them to certify. I would also note that the Lesstif list traffic indicates that the code is far from functional except in a small set of cases. There is no UIL support (like anyone cares about that, though), and much of the resource conversion and other code is lacking. Thats why the 0.36 version number. Finally, the LPGL relink restriction is not resolved in BSD by shared libraries because of non-interface changes to the libraries not being specifically excepted by the LGPL (which gives no regocnition to any type of shared library technology). It is possible to overcome these restrictions using an adaptation of ELF technology, but even Linux does not yet have the necessary code to avoid linking shared library data segments statically into a binary. In closing, let me state that I believe a public Motif implementation is a necessity because of standards compliance issues and that fact that all ratified standards should, in my opinion, be required to have publically available implementations to avoid the need to license code. Standards should *not* be ratified if they include proprietary technology (like Motif in specific, and CDE in general). A standard is a public trust. So I definitely agree with the Lesstif project's goals, even if I can't condone their methodology because of the corner-cutting taking them into areas which I believe to be legally risky. I certainly can't offer an alternative (at least not at this point), but I would advise caution when using Lesstif: the relink clause of the LGPL is more inmical to commercial distribution than the static linking distribution terms of OSF, without further technological enhancement to shared library implementations, and assuming no interface promiscuity (a libc or libcurses LGPL library, in fact, can not meet these requirements on a permannent basis -- and Motif is much more complicated). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 13:57:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA08506 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08483 Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA03093; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:56:51 -0700 (PDT) To: michael butler cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NO_CDROM and Motif changes to bsd.port.mk In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:39:12 +1000." <199604101039.UAA05342@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:56:51 -0700 Message-ID: <3091.829169811@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk There really isn't one yet - I have some problems with the MOO-TIFF distribution I got and the support@lasermoon.co.uk address seems to be completely unresponsive (I've sent them a couple of things in entirely unrelated categories since I have several of their products). I recommend waiting until X Inside, Inc. finishes their distribution. Jordan > Satoshi Asami writes: > > > Here is my first cut for NO_CDROM and Motif support to bsd.port.mk. > > Which is the "recommended" Motif port for FreeBSD ? I know of two but have > heard varying comments of disappointment about both so I held off .. and > which originating from which version .. 1.? > > michael From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 14:49:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA12440 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yu.rogidi.com ([206.130.183.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12429 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pyu@localhost) by yu.rogidi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA02601 for ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:59:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:59:45 -0500 From: Patrick Hong Kin Yu Message-Id: <199604102159.QAA02601@yu.rogidi.com> To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: port of Leafnode -- a USENET package Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi- I've put a port of the leafnode package in incoming/ with the name leafnode-0.8.port.tar.gz Although the compilation produces warning messages during compilation on a vanilla 2.1R system, it does seem to run fine. I do not know how to rid of the warnings anyway !! --Patrick H.K. Yu From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 14:56:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA13090 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu (sunrise.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13084 Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA19298; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:59:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:59:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199604102159.OAA19298@sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de CC: ports@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199604101931.VAA00985@uriah.heep.sax.de> (message from J Wunsch on Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:31:02 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: NO_CDROM and Motif changes to bsd.port.mk From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * Can this be overridden, e.g. from /etc/make.conf? I usually install * my Motif to /usr/Motif completely. (This turned out to be one of the * extremely weak points of the Lasershi^H^H^Hmoon package, but it * finally prevented me from having them clobbered my Imake templates. :) Yes, it can, as it is assigned with a "?=" (as are most variables in bsd.port.mk). The libraries are easy to handle in any case, 'cause {Im,M}akefiles usually have explicet references to libXm. Include files are another matter though, as many of them simply assume they are in the standard location (i.e. /usr/X11R6/include), and it's not always obvious how to fix them (especially for Imakefiles). Does your Lasermoon also make a symbolic link from /X11/Xm -> /usr/Motif/include/X11/Xm (?), where is either "/usr/include" or "/usr/X11R6/include"? Any other people with similar packages? Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 15:01:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA13449 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu (sunrise.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13443 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA19312; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:04:34 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:04:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199604102204.PAA19312@sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de CC: ports@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199604101952.VAA01131@uriah.heep.sax.de> (message from J Wunsch on Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:52:25 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: Question about Motif packages From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * > (2) What is the imake support like? Do they leave "xmkmf" alone, * > providing an extra "mxmkmf" or do they clobber lib/X11/config/* to * > the state that "xmkmf" isn't the same anymore? * * Perhaps not use the wrapper (should it even exist), but pick something * like * * imake -DUseInstalledMotif -DUseInstalled \ * -I${MOTIFBASE}/lib/X11/config * * instead? Hmm, we use "xmkmf -a", which does a whole lot more than just a single imake. I don't think we want to get into that. As I said in my mail explaining the bsd.port.mk changes, libraries are not hard to handle at all, so I'm not worried, xmkmf with explicit Motif references should work fine. We'll have to see more about include files I guess. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 15:05:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA13709 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu (sunrise.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13704 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA19318; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:08:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:08:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199604102208.PAA19318@sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu> To: deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org CC: ports@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <9604101116.AA19550@iworks.InterWorks.org> (deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org) Subject: Re: Question about Motif packages From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * SWiM 2.0 makes you set a link from /usr/X386 to /usr/X11R6. It then uses * /usr/X386 in its Install script. The static libraries and include files * then get installed in /usr/X386/lib and /usr/X386/include respectively. * This is fine. But the provided install script also wants to install the * shared libraries in /lib; I changed this to be the same as the static libs * (/usr/X386/lib = /usr/X11R6/lib). The Install script has a couple of * minor bugs that are easily fixed. Ok, so if we use /usr/X11R6, we should be fine, right? I don't think we are going to worry too much about shared libraries being in /lib, that's horribly out-of-the-line! ;) Also, library locations are easily overridable in /etc/make.conf anyway, so I'll think we'll stick to standard locations for the default. * Patching the LOCAL_LIBRARIES to "-lXm -lXt -lX11 -lXext" or to * "/usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.a -lXt -lX11 -lXext" for dynamic or static should * work fine. Yes. * SWiM 2.0 does leave xmkmf alone and does provide a mxmkmf. They update * the lib/X11/config/Imake.tmpl and save the original Imake.tmpl in * Imake.tmpl.old I see. Let me know if you find something weird in the way that xmkmf behaves. * Do you want the unpatched Install script for SWiM 2.0? No, I think your explanation above is quite clear. :) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 17:26:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA21194 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [198.81.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA21189 Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by covina.lightside.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0u7ACW-0004J3C; Wed, 10 Apr 96 17:25 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:25:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby To: Terry Lambert cc: lenzi@cwbone.bsi.com.br, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: <199604102044.NAA02340@phaeton.artisoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I haven't attached your comments on Lesstif, due to space constraints, but let me say that you made some excellent points and I agree with you completely on this topic. Motif is the closest thing we have to a standard in the wacky world of X-Windows, and it offers several compelling features: It is reasonably fast, looks professional, has a consistent style guide that follows IBM's CUA guidelines (i.e. it is similar to Windows and OS/2), and interoperates well with other Motif programs (e.g. Drag and Drop). Also, there are some excellent GUI builder tools that allow a complete user interface to be generated in literally a matter of hours (instant UI, just add callbacks!). In particular, I have been doing some significant work with a GUI builder called X-Designer (it costs $3500 so it is definitely not for personal use), which, like many of its competitors, generates standard Motif code (no proprietary libraries) that can be transferred to ANY computer with Motif, including FreeBSD, and compiled with no trouble whatsoever, whether or not X-Designer itself has been ported to that machine. At any rate, Motif is important, and I am willing to pay for it for my own projects, because of the above reasons. I feel that every X program should be using Motif, if licensing wasn't an issue, in order to assure a consistent user interface (a la CDE) with good interoperability. With shared libraries, the size of Motif isn't a big issue, because there is only one copy in RAM. However, Motif is difficult to integrate as a component of an OS like FreeBSD, because of its commercial status, so it would only be justified in, perhaps a special CD-ROM edition, never in the main source tree (which, esp. for installation purposes, it is perhaps most needed!). So, for commercial use, I would stick with Motif, for free OS's, I would LOVE to see something like Lesstif, but not if it succumbs to the very legal entanglements (that Terry mentioned) that it was trying to avoid! As an aside, a company called ARDI has made a Macintosh emulator (it has been mentioned once or twice on this list in the past) called Executor, written *entirely* with clean room techniques, which requires neither ROMs nor MacOS, and supports nearly all of System 6 and much of System 7. This is a commercial effort (as is the Windows API emulator TWIN), but I would argue that either one of these projects (especially Executor) is at least as difficult as writing a Motif clone (especially when the "meat" of Motif, the Xt Intrinsics, is free!). So, I wish the Lesstif people the best of luck, but if, as Terry mentions, there are legal entanglements, I would not recommend it be placed as a port or package any time soon. ---Jake From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 18:52:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA26199 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA26193 for ports; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:52:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199604110152.SAA26193@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ports Subject: vi mode for nedit? Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does nedit have a pre-configured vi mode? From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 18:52:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA26214 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA26207 Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA01402; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:51:56 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:51:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Chang To: Jake Hamby cc: Terry Lambert , lenzi@cwbone.bsi.com.br, ports@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Speaking about motif, is there anyway to have the same X environment as in what is used on SUNOS 5.3 (Solaris) on SUN Sparc5's and what is used on HP Apollo Workstations with the same desktop under FreeBSD? Richard From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 19:10:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA27338 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ambiguity.i-2.com (ambiguity.i-2.com [206.137.125.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27332 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ambiguity.i-2.com (localhost.i-2.com [127.0.0.1]) by ambiguity.i-2.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10247 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:58:00 GMT Message-Id: <199604102058.UAA10247@ambiguity.i-2.com> To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: bind-4.9.3 ported Reply-To: soren@ambiguity.i-2.com Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:58:00 +0000 From: Soren Dayton Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk it is bind.tar.gz in the incoming directory Soren Dayton From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 19:43:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA29525 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyburbia.bns.com.au (cyburbia.bns.com.au [203.19.43.177]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA29517 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from justin@localhost) by cyburbia.bns.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA09733; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:17:57 GMT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:17:57 +0000 () From: Justin Viiret To: Marc van Kempen cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [FVWM95] anyone want to make it to be a port ?! In-Reply-To: <199604101442.QAA17914@nietzsche.bowtie.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Marc van Kempen wrote: > > You wouldn't consider making up a port? I managed to get it to build > > (dropped it into the fvwm2 port and added -lcompat to KLUDGE_LIBS in > > Fvwm.tmpl), but after installing everything... no go. Running fvwm95-2 > > under X freezes, and I have to close down X :( > > > I made the same mistake, you have to install the example.fvwm2rc95 as > ~/.fvwm2rc95 I did; still no go :( File permissions seem ok on all files it needs to access, too... weird. /-------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Justin Viiret Cyburbia Network Services | | justin@cyburbia.bns.com.au Co-sysadmin | | http://cyburbia.bns.com.au/~justin A96 Music Competition (dis)Organiser | \------------------[Relax, it's only ones and zeroes.]--------------------/ From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 19:50:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA00206 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iworks.InterWorks.org (iworks.interworks.org [128.255.18.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA00200 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iworks.InterWorks.org (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA22156; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:10:57 -0500 Message-Id: <9604110210.AA22156@iworks.InterWorks.org> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:10:57 -0500 From: "Daniel M. Eischen" To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu, ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Question about Motif packages Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > * SWiM 2.0 makes you set a link from /usr/X386 to /usr/X11R6. It then uses > * /usr/X386 in its Install script. The static libraries and include files > * then get installed in /usr/X386/lib and /usr/X386/include respectively. > * This is fine. But the provided install script also wants to install the > * shared libraries in /lib; I changed this to be the same as the static libs > * (/usr/X386/lib = /usr/X11R6/lib). The Install script has a couple of > * minor bugs that are easily fixed. > > Ok, so if we use /usr/X11R6, we should be fine, right? I don't think > we are going to worry too much about shared libraries being in /lib, > that's horribly out-of-the-line! ;) Yup. > Also, library locations are easily overridable in /etc/make.conf > anyway, so I'll think we'll stick to standard locations for the default. > > * Patching the LOCAL_LIBRARIES to "-lXm -lXt -lX11 -lXext" or to > * "/usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.a -lXt -lX11 -lXext" for dynamic or static should > * work fine. > > Yes. > > * SWiM 2.0 does leave xmkmf alone and does provide a mxmkmf. They update > * the lib/X11/config/Imake.tmpl and save the original Imake.tmpl in > * Imake.tmpl.old > > I see. Let me know if you find something weird in the way that xmkmf > behaves. So far so good. Xmcd-1.4 and 2.0 both worked fine with xmkmf and setting the LOCAL_LIBRARIES appropriately. > * Do you want the unpatched Install script for SWiM 2.0? > > No, I think your explanation above is quite clear. :) > > Satoshi Dan Eischen deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 22:16:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA07277 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from metronet.com (root@mail.metronet.com [192.245.137.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA07258 Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.metronet.com (dal59.metronet.com) by metronet.com with SMTP id AA13559 (5.67a/IDA1.5hp); Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:15:49 -0500 Received: (from rick@localhost) by localhost.metronet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA00878; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:12:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:12:08 -0500 (CDT) From: rbarton X-Sender: rick@localhost To: Jake Hamby Cc: Terry Lambert , lenzi@cwbone.bsi.com.br, ports@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Since we're on the subject of GUIs... any word on Fresco? Is there anybody working or considering this? rick | o________________________|________________________o \/ o \/ any landing you can walk \___/ away from is a good one / | \ rbarton@metronet.com From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 22:20:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA07449 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07348 Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id HAA04979; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 07:00:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA00493; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 07:01:54 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 07:01:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Klemm To: ports@freebsd.org cc: asami@freebsd.org Subject: fvwm95 port included - really *cool* stuff !!!! 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Andreas /// - -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:10:47 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Klemm To: asami@freebsd.org Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: fvwm95 port included - really *cool* stuff !!!! | Pretty Good Privacy(tm) 2.6.2 - Public-key encryption for the masses. | (c) 1990-1994 Philip Zimmermann, Phil's Pretty Good Software. 11 Oct 94 | Uses the RSAREF(tm) Toolkit, which is copyright RSA Data Security, Inc. | Distributed by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. | Export of this software may be restricted by the U.S. government. | Current time: 1996/04/11 05:00 GMT | | File has signature. Public key is required to check signature. . | Good signature from user "Andreas Klemm ". | Signature made 1996/04/10 20:11 GMT Hi ! Have fun with that port people ... Never saw such a nice looking X11 desktop ;-)) A Win95 lookalike <<< powered by FreeBSD >>> Andreas /// begin 664 fvwm95.tar.gz M'XL("*P4;#$"`V9V=VTY-2YT87(`[%U[=]I(LL^_Z%/TQ8XW,9%`/&UV/->. M[22^8QL?0R;LV=GC(T0#&@LU*PD;SYRYG_U6=>O]`)QQF+TS=&+TZ*I?5S^J MNJJ%FM'#X_2P47[U+1.I5UJM!GE%,%421^^"--5:K:)6JU65$+52JS1?D<:K M#:2YXVHV(:]LQMQE=(\32LU7?[HT$OU_I=W3D6'2;U*&6JDTF_7<_J]!OM__ M:@W/U6JE5GU%*MO^_^9IAUS31S)CMNL0G9DFU5V#663JC0&S8=M@M5I:+451WRSC27$MVF<(#[A2]T2$YF-F@SJ:KM1JNM MMLC5>8^<=7M$/3QL`L>7"9L"9>'$&@*;0WXPZ71*OM/$Y?&]Q0;45,9S2QG2 M[Z4=X-B]&+;)+IQ*9Q?=WO7)U?E1()XGR.E)[_QCY_;BO%LZ*BQ45;HZZ?;. 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Justin Viiret wrote: > On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Andreas Klemm wrote: > > > BTW ... I said it ... I've done it ... I made the port for you > > in a hurry and fine tuned it like hell .... ;-) > > The problems you had, I had, too .... They are *solved* now. > > Great! But.. where can I find the port? Where've you put it? :) I mailed it yesterday evening at 10pm to asami@FreeBSD.org and to ports@freebsd.org (tared,gzipped,uuencoded). I wonder, why the mail wasn't distributed on the mailing list until now ... BZW how long does it take, until a mail message ist distributed via mailinglist ?! I uploaded it now to ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/fvwm95-port.tar.gz Have fun Andreas /// - -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMWyRg/MLpmkD/U+FAQGnpAP9HwfNic8JOueSOl6dk5JcJ0bPkpalcaFv VFQRfR/ktOWpTLvVfMp/P16A0F70e3RzZB6YAZ6ucz8I83oNDF12I0oMmKD6hvtu anXW0f/MxWLHxhMTbvISbnhEHL+4s1WjlerC9JhGrECkGlsTzWvvXKo+QH5mcvuO 1d5aL4aFkic= =eBNW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 22:55:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA09443 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hamby1.lightside.net (hamby1.lightside.net [198.81.209.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA09424 Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jehamby@localhost) by hamby1.lightside.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA00320; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:52:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hamby1.lightside.net: jehamby owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:52:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby X-Sender: jehamby@hamby1 To: rbarton cc: Terry Lambert , lenzi@cwbone.bsi.com.br, ports@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, rbarton wrote: > > Since we're on the subject of GUIs... any word on Fresco? Is there > anybody working or considering this? > > rick I'm perfectly happy with Motif, using the Doug Young method of wrapping an entire widget tree into a C++ class, rather than the thin-wrapper approach of encapsulating every widget. I think that objects should correspond to real-world components of the program, rather than abstracting every single widget to be a separate class. This is one of the primary objections people have to Microsoft's MFC toolkit for Windows, although it does encapsulate some useful high-level services as well. As for Fresco, I was under the impression that it was an experimental component of X11R6, similar to LBX (the low-bandwidth X extension I found practically unusable). I'm not objecting to the idea of writing a new widget toolkit based on C++, but Motif seems to have the momentum and support to make it the best choice, and although it is C-based, complaining about this is like complaining about why the kernel or the entire libc isn't rewritten in C++! C is efficient, and it is better to concentrate on making your own programs object-oriented, rather than worrying about whether or not every single library you call is. Personally, if I wanted to move away from Motif, but still use X and Unix, I would choose Java (which, in the Unix implementation, is itself based on Motif). Java is OOP, and cross-platform too, and in theory, could be easily integrated with C++ programs in the manner of TCL/Tk (although it isn't common practice, but it is how Java's standard classes are bound to Motif and other standard libraries). ---Jake From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 23:04:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA10108 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hamby1.lightside.net (hamby1.lightside.net [198.81.209.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10078 Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jehamby@localhost) by hamby1.lightside.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA00323; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:01:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hamby1.lightside.net: jehamby owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:01:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby X-Sender: jehamby@hamby1 To: Richard Chang cc: Terry Lambert , lenzi@cwbone.bsi.com.br, ports@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Richard Chang wrote: > Speaking about motif, is there anyway to have the same X > environment as in what is used on SUNOS 5.3 (Solaris) on SUN Sparc5's and > what is used on HP Apollo Workstations with the same desktop under FreeBSD? > > Richard Before Solaris 2.4, the Openwindows environment supplied with Solaris (and SunOS) was completely OPEN LOOK oriented, with that widget set. Personally, I find OPEN LOOK ugly and non-intuitive, but I like a few of the OPEN LOOK "Deskset" tools, such as Perfmeter, and the public domain program Workman. Starting with Solaris 2.4, Sun included the Motif libraries and header files, but it took until Solaris 2.5 to receive the Motif window manager, some useful Motif tools, and the Motif man pages, as part of the Common Desktop Environment (which is on a separate CD-ROM). I believe HP workstations use Motif (and have long before Sun adopted it), so I suspect this is what you're referring to. Under FreeBSD, you can get the OPEN LOOK Xview toolkit for free (it is in the ports collection), and it comes with Clock, the Open look window manager, command tool, and you can compile Workman (another port) with it. You don't get any of the other Deskset tools you might be used to from SunOS/Solaris however (mailtool, perfmeter, etc.). You'll have to buy Solaris/X86 if you want that. As for Motif (which I think you were referring to), a binary distribution costs about $150, and FreeBSD versions are available from several sources, such as SWiM. Sorry, I don't have any contact information for them.. Anyway, it looks like Common Desktop Environment (extended Motif 1.2 plus some goodies in a more integrated desktop environment) will be available soon for FreeBSD too. Oh, and don't forget, if you actually have a Sun or HP workstation available, you can log in to it from your FreeBSD box, setenv DISPLAY back to your computer, and run any program available for those machines on your X server. Have fun! ---Jake From owner-freebsd-ports Wed Apr 10 23:17:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA12774 for ports-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA12769 Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA25599; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:17:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:16:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Chang To: Jake Hamby cc: Terry Lambert , lenzi@cwbone.bsi.com.br, ports@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Jake Hamby wrote: > On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Richard Chang wrote: > > > Speaking about motif, is there anyway to have the same X > > environment as in what is used on SUNOS 5.3 (Solaris) on SUN Sparc5's and > > what is used on HP Apollo Workstations with the same desktop under FreeBSD? > > Before Solaris 2.4, the Openwindows environment supplied with Solaris (and > SunOS) was completely OPEN LOOK oriented, with that widget set. > Personally, I find OPEN LOOK ugly and non-intuitive, but I like a few of > the OPEN LOOK "Deskset" tools, such as Perfmeter, and the public domain > program Workman. > > Starting with Solaris 2.4, Sun included the Motif libraries and header > files, but it took until Solaris 2.5 to receive the Motif window > manager, some useful Motif tools, and the Motif man pages, as part of the > Common Desktop Environment (which is on a separate CD-ROM). I believe HP > workstations use Motif (and have long before Sun adopted it), so I suspect > this is what you're referring to. I think it might be the motif one since it has that box on the bottom of the screen. > Under FreeBSD, you can get the OPEN LOOK Xview toolkit for free (it is in > the ports collection), and it comes with Clock, the Open look window > manager, command tool, and you can compile Workman (another port) with it. > You don't get any of the other Deskset tools you might be used to from > SunOS/Solaris however (mailtool, perfmeter, etc.). You'll have to buy > Solaris/X86 if you want that. Will the OPEN LOOK Xview toolkit need a certain windows manager or will fvwm be the closest to motif? > As for Motif (which I think you were referring to), a binary > distribution costs about $150, and FreeBSD versions are available from > several sources, such as SWiM. Sorry, I don't have any contact > information for them.. Anyway, it looks like Common Desktop Environment > (extended Motif 1.2 plus some goodies in a more integrated desktop > environment) will be available soon for FreeBSD too. Sounds good. > Oh, and don't forget, if you actually have a Sun or HP workstation > available, you can log in to it from your FreeBSD box, setenv DISPLAY > back to your computer, and run any program available for those > machines on your X server. Have fun! I know but it's slow since it constantly has to redraw the entire screen. Richard From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 00:05:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA16576 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA16567 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA02378; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604110703.AAA02378@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: t94303mn@sfc.keio.ac.jp CC: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, t94303mn@sfc.keio.ac.jp In-reply-to: <199604101422.XAA19199@mail.tky007.tth.expo96.ad.jp> (message from Masafumi NAKANE/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQ2Y6LDJtSjgbKEI=?= on Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:22:45 +0900) Subject: Re: How to apply patch distributed in tar.gz format? From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * I'm porting a program that has patch files distributed in tar.gz * format. So, after extracting the original archive, you after extract * patch file from the patch distribution archive to apply it. * Could anyone tell me how to write the Makefile to do such a task? Make it one of the DISTFILES, set EXTRACT_ONLY to the "real" distfile, and write a pre-patch target to patch it manually. Or, you can make pre-patch extract it into ${PATCHDIR} as "patch-*", so the regular patch target will pick it up. Don't forget to add a pre-clean target to delete it. misc/mmv does something similar (albeit in the extraction phase). Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 00:46:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA19652 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA19633 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA05203; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:44:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199604110744.AAA05203@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Richard Chang cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:16:59 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:44:39 -0700 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Richard Chang said: > Will the OPEN LOOK Xview toolkit need a certain windows manager or > will fvwm be the closest to motif? olvwm or something like it should be part of the OPEN Look toolkit. Long long time we had all this stuff running on FreeBSD. Amancio From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 00:52:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA20503 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA20440 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA25924; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:51:26 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA11933; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:51:25 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA03978; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:48:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604110748.JAA03978@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Question about Motif packages To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:48:12 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, ports@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199604102204.PAA19312@sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu> from "Satoshi Asami" at Apr 10, 96 03:04:34 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Satoshi Asami wrote: > * imake -DUseInstalledMotif -DUseInstalled \ > * -I${MOTIFBASE}/lib/X11/config > * > * instead? > > Hmm, we use "xmkmf -a", which does a whole lot more than just a single > imake. I don't think we want to get into that. ``a whole lot more'' is a bit of an overstatement. :-) All it does is a ``make Makefiles; make includes; make depend'' after running imake. > As I said in my mail explaining the bsd.port.mk changes, libraries are > not hard to handle at all, so I'm not worried, xmkmf with explicit > Motif references should work fine. At least one Motif kit i've got (actually a really old one) doesn't come with a separate script. The README only hinted about the above (using -DUseInstalledMotif). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 00:52:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA20590 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA20317 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA25928; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:51:27 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA11935; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:51:27 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA04007; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:50:25 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604110750.JAA04007@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: NO_CDROM and Motif changes to bsd.port.mk To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:50:24 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, ports@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199604102159.OAA19298@sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu> from "Satoshi Asami" at Apr 10, 96 02:59:30 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Satoshi Asami wrote: > Does your Lasermoon also make a symbolic link from > /X11/Xm -> /usr/Motif/include/X11/Xm (?), where > is either "/usr/include" or "/usr/X11R6/include"? > Any other people with similar packages? Lasermoon thought all the world is X386 and installed into /usr/X386. If this was not existent, they simply made a symlink to /usr/X11R6 (it's the same, isn't it? =:), and assumed they can start now. Their install script was nothing else than crap. If once was really using it that way, the X11R6(XFree86) imake templates were clobbered. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 01:17:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA22660 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asstdc.scgt.oz.au (root@asstdc.scgt.oz.au [202.14.234.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA22642 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from imb@localhost) by asstdc.scgt.oz.au (8.7.5/BSD4.4) id SAA04364 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:16:53 +1000 (EST) From: michael butler Message-Id: <199604110816.SAA04364@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. To: lenzi@cwbone.bsi.com.br (Lenzi Sergio) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:16:52 +1000 (EST) Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Lenzi, Sergio" at Apr 10, 96 10:24:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24beta] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Lenzi, Sergio writes: > I have uploaded (in pub/FreeBSD/incoming) a package (lesstif.tgz) that is > a motif compatible window manager (with includes and libXm.a/libXm.so.0.36) Which you should have mentioned is a binary-only package compiled for -current and will not work with -stable because of the dependency on libc.so.3.0 Full sources are available from .. http://www.hungry.com:8000/products/lesstif/lesstif.html > I am using mwm program compiled within and seems to work OK. It does indeed (:-)) with some caveats as mentioned in the READMEs along with the source. It's not quite yet up to full M*tif-compatible development, however, which is what I was looking for :-( michael From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 01:20:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA23036 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA23022 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA27283; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:20:43 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA12111; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:20:43 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA04150; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:54:15 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604110754.JAA04150@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: bind-4.9.3 ported To: soren@ambiguity.i-2.com Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:54:15 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199604102058.UAA10247@ambiguity.i-2.com> from "Soren Dayton" at Apr 10, 96 08:58:00 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Soren Dayton wrote: > > > it is bind.tar.gz in the incoming directory What is it for? We do already have it in the mainstream sources? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 01:50:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA25805 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA25798 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA06413; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:50:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:50:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Chang To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: <199604110744.AAA05203@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > >>> Richard Chang said: > > Will the OPEN LOOK Xview toolkit need a certain windows manager or > > will fvwm be the closest to motif? > olvwm or something like it should be part of the OPEN Look toolkit. > > Long long time we had all this stuff running on FreeBSD. I ran FreeBSD since 1.0GAMMA but does olvwm look like motif/fvwm in any way since both of these allow hitting alt-F7/F8(fvwm) and alt-tab(motif) to go to the next window.... What window manager does XFree86 come with? Richard From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 01:52:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA25932 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA25921 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA02810; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604110851.BAA02810@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org CC: ports@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <9604110210.AA22156@iworks.InterWorks.org> (deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org) Subject: Re: Question about Motif packages From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * So far so good. Xmcd-1.4 and 2.0 both worked fine with xmkmf and setting * the LOCAL_LIBRARIES appropriately. Cool. I've committed your xmcd upgrade, please apply the patch to bsd.port.mk and see if it works. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 02:09:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA27577 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 02:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA27565 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 02:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA02866; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 02:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 02:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604110909.CAA02866@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: ports@freebsd.org CC: torstenb@freebsd.org Subject: Mosaic From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just committed a change to the Mosaic port. It is an upgrade (2.7b2 -> 2.7b4) as well as cleanup. I needed to hand-apply many of the patches, someone who knows more about Mosaic (weren't there some messages about fixes on this list?) please take a look and feed them back to the maintainers. In particular, the 15/16-bit support code has been replaced by someone else's rewrite, and the 15-bit part has disappeared (at least it seems to me). Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 03:08:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA00461 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 03:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iworks.InterWorks.org (deischen@iworks.interworks.org [128.255.18.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA00456 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 03:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iworks.InterWorks.org (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA22907; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 05:07:07 -0500 Message-Id: <9604111007.AA22907@iworks.InterWorks.org> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 05:07:07 -0500 From: "Daniel M. Eischen" To: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Speaking about motif, is there anyway to have the same X > > environment as in what is used on SUNOS 5.3 (Solaris) on SUN Sparc5's and > > what is used on HP Apollo Workstations with the same desktop under FreeBSD? > > >> Richard > [...] > Starting with Solaris 2.4, Sun included the Motif libraries and header > files, but it took until Solaris 2.5 to receive the Motif window > manager, some useful Motif tools, and the Motif man pages, as part of the > Common Desktop Environment (which is on a separate CD-ROM). I believe HP > workstations use Motif (and have long before Sun adopted it), so I suspect > this is what you're referring to. I know this is wishful thinking, but do you think Walnut Creek could buy the Motif Developers Source License? I think it's around $15,000.00 US. Porting it to FreeBSD shouldn't be too hard for all the FreeBSD guru's and since it's a CPU license, Walnut Creek could also sell Motif for Linux as well as FreeBSD. And since Walnut Creek has a big market share they could have very competitive prices... Selling a Developers Motif would, I think, require giving OSF ~$40 per copy sold. Less for just the window manager. And, if Motif/CDE become integrated into the next Motif version, Walnut Creek could just pay the price of an upgrade and we'd have CDE for FreeBSD. How's that for wishful thinking! Dan Eischen deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 03:18:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA01046 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 03:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA01033 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 03:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA03208; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 03:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 03:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604111017.DAA03208@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: richardc@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU CC: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Richard Chang on Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:50:00 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * > olvwm or something like it should be part of the OPEN Look toolkit. * > * > Long long time we had all this stuff running on FreeBSD. * * I ran FreeBSD since 1.0GAMMA but does olvwm look like motif/fvwm * in any way since both of these allow hitting alt-F7/F8(fvwm) and * alt-tab(motif) to go to the next window.... What window manager does * XFree86 come with? Guys, please look at the ports collection. Xview toolkit and olvwm are both in there and have been working fine for quite some time. By the way, if you want a mwm lookalike, go for fvwm, and for an (HP) vuewm lookalike, ctwm. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 03:32:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA01930 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 03:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iworks.InterWorks.org (deischen@iworks.interworks.org [128.255.18.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA01925 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 03:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iworks.InterWorks.org (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA22980; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 05:31:04 -0500 Message-Id: <9604111031.AA22980@iworks.InterWorks.org> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 05:31:04 -0500 From: "Daniel M. Eischen" To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about Motif Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > * So far so good. Xmcd-1.4 and 2.0 both worked fine with xmkmf and setting > * the LOCAL_LIBRARIES appropriately. > > Cool. I've committed your xmcd upgrade, please apply the patch to > bsd.port.mk and see if it works. > > Satoshi Just did and it worked great! I modified the patch file to use ${MOTIFLIB} instead of -lXm, and the port Makefile to set REQUIRES_MOTIF. No problems. I noticed the nedit patch file that was in ports-current/editors/nedit/patches/patch-aa still had a hardcoded /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.a instead of ${MOTIFLIB}. Were you going to make the appropriate changes to nedit as well? I really like this new bsd.port.mk Motif method. Very simple and clean :-) Dan Eischen deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 07:02:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA13290 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 07:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ambiguity.i-2.com ([206.137.125.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA13285 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 07:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ambiguity.i-2.com (localhost.i-2.com [127.0.0.1]) by ambiguity.i-2.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11265; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:46:09 GMT Message-Id: <199604110846.IAA11265@ambiguity.i-2.com> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bind-4.9.3 ported In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:54:15 +0200." <199604110754.JAA04150@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <199604110754.JAA04150@uriah.heep.sax.de> Reply-To: soren@ambiguity.i-2.com Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:46:06 +0000 From: Soren Dayton Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch said: >As Soren Dayton wrote: >> >> >> it is bind.tar.gz in the incoming directory > >What is it for? We do already have it in the mainstream sources? Do we? There is nothing that documents the version, so I was not willing to make assumptions. Soren From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 07:13:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA13674 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 07:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA13659 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 07:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA00958; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:12:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199604111412.IAA00958@rover.village.org> To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. Cc: lenzi@cwbone.bsi.com.br (Lenzi, Sergio), ports@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:44:27 PDT Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:12:00 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : Remember that PARCPlace reimplemented a Motif library which OSF refused : to allow them to certify. The OI group at Solbourne did this work, they were bought by ParcPlace and later sold to Openware. OSF didn't have a procedure to certify only the look and feel of a toolkit. All of their certification process was geared at the API level and they told us they had no plans to change that policy. I'm convinced that the only way to get certified is to use their toolkit and have your port certified. OI, as you'll recall, was a C++ library that didn't use Xt at all, nor the horrible, icky, aweful Motif API. Warner From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 08:41:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA19947 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (root@xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19942 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (smpatel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA00743; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:40:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: Giles Lean cc: Satoshi Asami , ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/www/jdk - Imported sources In-Reply-To: <199604101132.VAA19230@nemeton.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Giles Lean wrote: > Careful; if you have CLASSPATH set in your environment for kaffe-0.3 > netscape3 (Atlas) will coredump when trying to run Java applets. > > On the other hand, kaffe will run against the moz3_0.zip file > distributed with netscape3. The netscape3 script (installed from the port) will set the CLASSPATH correctly, so this isn't a problem. We let netscape use moz3_0.zip to run applets and let it use the classes.zip for compiling-- Kaffe-0.3 really should run with classes.zip not moz3_0.zip Sujal From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 09:20:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA22491 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22482 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA07295; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:19:57 -0700 (PDT) To: "Daniel M. Eischen" cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Apr 1996 05:07:07 CDT." <9604111007.AA22907@iworks.InterWorks.org> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:19:57 -0700 Message-ID: <7293.829239597@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I know this is wishful thinking, but do you think Walnut Creek could buy > the Motif Developers Source License? I think it's around $15,000.00 US. It's that and more - I pursued this about 6 months ago with the OSF and concluded that it was just too expensive, sorry. Jordan From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 10:36:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA27144 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27133 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id TAA20822; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:15:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA01059; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:56:14 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:56:13 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Klemm To: Bill/Carolyn Pechter cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FVWM95] anyone want to make it to be a port ?! In-Reply-To: <199604111237.IAA07600@shell.monmouth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: > I pulled down the port, compiled and ended up with core dumps. > > I'll try to figure out what went wrong o > > (FreeBSD-stable from about two weeks ago). I'm running -current here, perhaps someone else with a -stable machine could please test this ?! Andreas /// - -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMW05rfMLpmkD/U+FAQGHOgQAysDuhEKgQJRThe9KnyKHVqdKgN3t1gsC Y8Hi6vX0eBCi+byrgeRS7yXqvtUBJVv8coO1BEiKSUioNNiEg+/1hgALvCNDjMi3 zIE6Kv1pAsoeZ6qww4gAICBbf82aoAhEbTCDYVUYumJO++qfv0nb+duwLirNWQth wL0qlEUo1D0= =eVn2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 11:25:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA29171 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29153 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA04358; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:19:48 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199604111819.LAA04358@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. To: richardc@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Richard Chang) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:19:47 -0700 (MST) Cc: jehamby@lightside.com, terry@lambert.org, lenzi@cwbone.bsi.com.br, ports@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Richard Chang" at Apr 10, 96 06:51:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Speaking about motif, is there anyway to have the same X > environment as in what is used on SUNOS 5.3 (Solaris) on SUN Sparc5's and > what is used on HP Apollo Workstations with the same desktop under FreeBSD? You mean 5.4 (Solaris 2.4)? That's the first one that shipped with Motif instead of OpenLook (OpenWindows). The HP environment is called "VUE". It's Motif plus some tools, like the little control/button box at the bottom of the screen, some drag targets (for printing, etc.), a clock, and a file manager. HP VUE is a component of CDE (the Common Desktop Environment), which is available as a seperate disk for Solaris (2.x SunOS -- SVR4) systems. There are companies selling CDE; generally the licensing of CDE is only slightly more expensive than Motif (unless you are Novell or some other comany and can "trade" technology so you don't have to pay any of the OSF or HP royalties). My problem with CDE (and Motif as a component of CDE) as a standard is that you must pay to license the technology. It is effectively a standards-granted monopoly on UNIX user interfaces. The intent, obviously, is to require a "buy-in" to be allowed to compete in the UNIX market. Without the "buy-in" or the type of trades Novell (now SCO, I guess) and the other big vendors have engaged in using imaginary money to drop the royalty costs, this means that the cost to the free systems for the same technology is more than the cost of a commercial system. That's why I approve of a project *like* Lesstif, even if I don't approve of the implementation practices or licensing of Lesstif itself (I'd *really* like to see a "FreeCDE" project). So there is a way: license CDE seperately from a third party that doesn't have a royalty buy-off, and pay through the nose for it. 8-(. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 12:15:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA03076 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA03071 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA06219; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:15:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:15:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Chang To: Satoshi Asami cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: <199604111017.DAA03208@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Satoshi Asami wrote: > * > olvwm or something like it should be part of the OPEN Look toolkit. > * > > * > Long long time we had all this stuff running on FreeBSD. > * > * I ran FreeBSD since 1.0GAMMA but does olvwm look like motif/fvwm > * in any way since both of these allow hitting alt-F7/F8(fvwm) and > * alt-tab(motif) to go to the next window.... What window manager does > * XFree86 come with? > > Guys, please look at the ports collection. Xview toolkit and olvwm > are both in there and have been working fine for quite some time. > > By the way, if you want a mwm lookalike, go for fvwm, and for an (HP) > vuewm lookalike, ctwm. Do all of these windows managers have a way on the keyboard to switch between windows? Richard From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 12:16:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA03250 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA03227 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA04522; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:14:03 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199604111914.MAA04522@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. To: richardc@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Richard Chang) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:14:03 -0700 (MST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Richard Chang" at Apr 11, 96 01:50:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >>> Richard Chang said: > > > Will the OPEN LOOK Xview toolkit need a certain windows manager or > > > will fvwm be the closest to motif? > > olvwm or something like it should be part of the OPEN Look toolkit. > > > > Long long time we had all this stuff running on FreeBSD. > > I ran FreeBSD since 1.0GAMMA but does olvwm look like motif/fvwm > in any way since both of these allow hitting alt-F7/F8(fvwm) and > alt-tab(motif) to go to the next window.... What window manager does > XFree86 come with? It doesn't. I believe our package of it comes wit twm and a bunch of standard X apps, though. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 12:28:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA03976 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA03971 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA07296; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:27:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:27:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Chang To: Terry Lambert cc: jehamby@lightside.com, terry@lambert.org, lenzi@cwbone.bsi.com.br, ports@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: <199604111819.LAA04358@phaeton.artisoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Speaking about motif, is there anyway to have the same X > > environment as in what is used on SUNOS 5.3 (Solaris) on SUN Sparc5's and > > what is used on HP Apollo Workstations with the same desktop under FreeBSD? > > You mean 5.4 (Solaris 2.4)? That's the first one that shipped with > Motif instead of OpenLook (OpenWindows). It should be 5.4 since one looks closer to motif... > The HP environment is called "VUE". It's Motif plus some tools, like > the little control/button box at the bottom of the screen, some drag > targets (for printing, etc.), a clock, and a file manager. > > HP VUE is a component of CDE (the Common Desktop Environment), which > is available as a seperate disk for Solaris (2.x SunOS -- SVR4) systems. Okay... > There are companies selling CDE; generally the licensing of CDE is > only slightly more expensive than Motif (unless you are Novell or > some other comany and can "trade" technology so you don't have to > pay any of the OSF or HP royalties). > > > My problem with CDE (and Motif as a component of CDE) as a standard > is that you must pay to license the technology. It is effectively a > standards-granted monopoly on UNIX user interfaces. > > The intent, obviously, is to require a "buy-in" to be allowed to > compete in the UNIX market. > > > Without the "buy-in" or the type of trades Novell (now SCO, I guess) > and the other big vendors have engaged in using imaginary money to > drop the royalty costs, this means that the cost to the free systems > for the same technology is more than the cost of a commercial system. > > That's why I approve of a project *like* Lesstif, even if I don't > approve of the implementation practices or licensing of Lesstif > itself (I'd *really* like to see a "FreeCDE" project). > > > So there is a way: license CDE seperately from a third party that > doesn't have a royalty buy-off, and pay through the nose for it. > > 8-(. Hmmm, is there anything even close to CDE for fwvm? or has the same functions? Richard From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 12:29:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA04071 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04066 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA07375; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:28:29 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:28:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Chang To: Terry Lambert cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: <199604111914.MAA04522@phaeton.artisoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > >>> Richard Chang said: > > > > Will the OPEN LOOK Xview toolkit need a certain windows manager or > > > > will fvwm be the closest to motif? > > > olvwm or something like it should be part of the OPEN Look toolkit. > > > > > > Long long time we had all this stuff running on FreeBSD. > > > > I ran FreeBSD since 1.0GAMMA but does olvwm look like motif/fvwm > > in any way since both of these allow hitting alt-F7/F8(fvwm) and > > alt-tab(motif) to go to the next window.... What window manager does > > XFree86 come with? > > It doesn't. I believe our package of it comes wit twm and a bunch of > standard X apps, though. It works pretty well but how do you find out what X apps are on the machine? Richard From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 13:46:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA10533 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10509 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA04781; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:43:32 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199604112043.NAA04781@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. To: richardc@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Richard Chang) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:43:32 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Richard Chang" at Apr 11, 96 12:28:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > Will the OPEN LOOK Xview toolkit need a certain windows manager or > > > > > will fvwm be the closest to motif? > > > > olvwm or something like it should be part of the OPEN Look toolkit. > > > > > > > > Long long time we had all this stuff running on FreeBSD. > > > > > > I ran FreeBSD since 1.0GAMMA but does olvwm look like motif/fvwm > > > in any way since both of these allow hitting alt-F7/F8(fvwm) and > > > alt-tab(motif) to go to the next window.... What window manager does > > > XFree86 come with? > > > > It doesn't. I believe our package of it comes wit twm and a bunch of > > standard X apps, though. > > It works pretty well but how do you find out what X apps are on > the machine? ls -l /usr/bin/X11 (of course, my /usr/bin/X11 is a symlink to /usr/X11R6/bin...) Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 13:47:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA10646 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10618 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA04798; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:44:26 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199604112044.NAA04798@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. To: richardc@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Richard Chang) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:44:26 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, jehamby@lightside.com, lenzi@cwbone.bsi.com.br, ports@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Richard Chang" at Apr 11, 96 12:27:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hmmm, is there anything even close to CDE for fwvm? or has the > same functions? No. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 14:15:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA13068 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13056 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAB17592; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:15:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:15:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Chang To: Terry Lambert cc: terry@lambert.org, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: <199604112043.NAA04781@phaeton.artisoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > > > Will the OPEN LOOK Xview toolkit need a certain windows manager or > > > > > > will fvwm be the closest to motif? > > > > > olvwm or something like it should be part of the OPEN Look toolkit. > > > > > > > > > > Long long time we had all this stuff running on FreeBSD. > > > > > > > > I ran FreeBSD since 1.0GAMMA but does olvwm look like motif/fvwm > > > > in any way since both of these allow hitting alt-F7/F8(fvwm) and > > > > alt-tab(motif) to go to the next window.... What window manager does > > > > XFree86 come with? > > > > > > It doesn't. I believe our package of it comes wit twm and a bunch of > > > standard X apps, though. > > > > It works pretty well but how do you find out what X apps are on > > the machine? > > ls -l /usr/bin/X11 > > (of course, my /usr/bin/X11 is a symlink to /usr/X11R6/bin...) I know but some of those programs don't have manpages so I can never figure out what it's purpose is... Richard From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 14:24:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA13866 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from horst.bfd.com ([204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13861 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.2]) by horst.bfd.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18795; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:25:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Andreas Klemm cc: Bill/Carolyn Pechter , ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [FVWM95] anyone want to make it to be a port ?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Andreas Klemm wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: > > > I pulled down the port, compiled and ended up with core dumps. > > > > I'll try to figure out what went wrong o > > > > (FreeBSD-stable from about two weeks ago). > > I'm running -current here, perhaps someone else with a -stable > machine could please test this ?! I'll build the port tonight on 2.1R, if that will help. I've got it working on my office machine, but I didn't build it from the port. From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 14:27:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA13938 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13917 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA04989; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:24:13 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199604112124.OAA04989@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. To: richardc@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Richard Chang) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:24:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Richard Chang" at Apr 11, 96 02:15:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > ls -l /usr/bin/X11 > > > > (of course, my /usr/bin/X11 is a symlink to /usr/X11R6/bin...) > > I know but some of those programs don't have manpages so I can > never figure out what it's purpose is... Source code (which may be the only documentation) and all other materials associated with the programs there are available from ftp.x.org. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 14:30:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA14270 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14246 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA05031; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:28:00 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199604112128.OAA05031@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. To: richardc@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Richard Chang) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:28:00 -0700 (MST) Cc: asami@cs.berkeley.edu, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Richard Chang" at Apr 11, 96 12:15:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > By the way, if you want a mwm lookalike, go for fvwm, and for an (HP) > > vuewm lookalike, ctwm. > > Do all of these windows managers have a way on the keyboard to > switch between windows? The ones mentioned have the ability to have accelerators bound, though I know that at least one of them does not have them bound by default. Ie: not in the default configuration as distributed. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 14:32:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA14514 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bacall.lodgenet.com (bacall.lodgenet.com [205.138.147.242]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14509 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bacall.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA16164 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 16:30:21 -0500 Received: from tserv.lodgenet.com(204.124.120.10) by bacall via smap (V1.3) id sma016158; Thu Apr 11 16:29:56 1996 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [204.124.120.30]) by tserv.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA05756 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:50:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jake.lodgenet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA04491 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:52:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199604112052.PAA04491@jake.lodgenet.com> X-Authentication-Warning: jake.lodgenet.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Xinside's Motif Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:52:21 -0500 From: "Eric L. Hernes" Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk with all this talk of motif, I just checked Xinside's web pages, and they show motif for FreeBSD shipping! Anyone know any more about this -- is it true? eric. -- erich@lodgenet.com erich@rrnet.com From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 15:23:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA17905 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA17862 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA28340; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:22:30 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA20824; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:22:30 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA06636; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:21:10 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604112221.AAA06636@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: bind-4.9.3 ported To: soren@ambiguity.i-2.com Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:21:10 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199604110846.IAA11265@ambiguity.i-2.com> from "Soren Dayton" at Apr 11, 96 08:46:06 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Soren Dayton wrote: (bind-4.9.3) > >What is it for? We do already have it in the mainstream sources? > > Do we? There is nothing that documents the version, so I was > not willing to make assumptions. It's in the CVS log messages: revision 1.7 date: 1996/01/07 09:14:57; author: peter; state: Exp; lines: +18 -20 Merge the 4.9.3-rel code into the res_* parts. The gethostXXXbyYYY parts are not quite so simple.. (To pick res_init.c as an example.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 15:42:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA19387 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ambiguity.i-2.com ([206.137.125.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19381 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ambiguity.i-2.com (localhost.i-2.com [127.0.0.1]) by ambiguity.i-2.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12337; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:28:27 GMT Message-Id: <199604111728.RAA12337@ambiguity.i-2.com> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: bind-4.9.3 ported In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:21:10 +0200." <199604112221.AAA06636@uriah.heep.sax.de> References: <199604112221.AAA06636@uriah.heep.sax.de> Reply-To: soren@ambiguity.i-2.com Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:28:26 +0000 From: Soren Dayton Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch said: >As Soren Dayton wrote: > >(bind-4.9.3) > >> >What is it for? We do already have it in the mainstream sources? >> >> Do we? There is nothing that documents the version, so I was >> not willing to make assumptions. > >It's in the CVS log messages: Sorry. I did not make it clear. This is for -release Soren From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 15:45:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA19566 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yoda.fdt.net (yoda.fdt.net [205.229.48.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19558 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kryten.nina.com (dyn018-gnv.51.fdt.net [205.229.51.19]) by yoda.fdt.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA20798; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:44:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:43:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Seltzer X-Sender: frankd@Kryten.nina.com To: Andreas Klemm cc: Bill/Carolyn Pechter , ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [FVWM95] anyone want to make it to be a port ?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: > > > I pulled down the port, compiled and ended up with core dumps. > > > > I'll try to figure out what went wrong o > > > > (FreeBSD-stable from about two weeks ago). > > I'm running -current here, perhaps someone else with a -stable > machine could please test this ?! > > Andreas /// I'm running -stable from about a week ago. I just built FVWM95 ~1 hour ago and everything went Ok. I am using it now! Frank From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 15:54:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA20369 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA20364 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA28943; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:54:33 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA21646; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:54:32 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA07076; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:53:20 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604112253.AAA07076@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: bind-4.9.3 ported To: soren@ambiguity.i-2.com Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:53:18 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, peter@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199604111728.RAA12337@ambiguity.i-2.com> from "Soren Dayton" at Apr 11, 96 05:28:26 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Soren Dayton wrote: > >(bind-4.9.3) > > > >> >What is it for? We do already have it in the mainstream sources? > >> > >> Do we? There is nothing that documents the version, so I was > >> not willing to make assumptions. > > > >It's in the CVS log messages: > > Sorry. I did not make it clear. This is for -release 2.1R has already a late beta of 4.9.3. Peter should perhaps upgrade 2.1-stable. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 15:58:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA20623 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from digital.netvoyage.net (root@digital.netvoyage.net [205.162.154.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA20606 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bogawa@localhost) by digital.netvoyage.net (8.6.13/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA09613; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:57:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:57:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Ogawa at Work To: Richard Chang cc: Satoshi Asami , hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ports@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Richard Chang wrote: > On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Satoshi Asami wrote: > > > * > olvwm or something like it should be part of the OPEN Look toolkit. > > * > > > * > Long long time we had all this stuff running on FreeBSD. > > * > > * I ran FreeBSD since 1.0GAMMA but does olvwm look like motif/fvwm > > * in any way since both of these allow hitting alt-F7/F8(fvwm) and > > * alt-tab(motif) to go to the next window.... What window manager does > > * XFree86 come with? > > > > Guys, please look at the ports collection. Xview toolkit and olvwm > > are both in there and have been working fine for quite some time. > > > > By the way, if you want a mwm lookalike, go for fvwm, and for an (HP) > > vuewm lookalike, ctwm. > > Do all of these windows managers have a way on the keyboard to > switch between windows? I can't talk about others, but fvwm 1 does. It can be more erratic than the one in MS Windows (which works according to a pretty good system, actually), but it's bound by default to Alt-F7 and Alt-F8... I also wish Circulate-Up and Circulate-Down were inverses of each other. That would make me happy. bryan > > Richard > > Bryan K. Ogawa Questions or Problems with NetVoyage? help@netvoyage.net Check out the NetVoyage HelpWeb at.. From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 16:01:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA21052 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 16:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-139.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.139]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21047 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 16:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.3/8.6.9) id BAA16199; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:01:24 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:01:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199604112301.BAA16199@vector.jhs.no_domain> To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: vt220 emulator From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany Phone: +49.89.268616 Fax: +49.89.2608126 (pending modem change) Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH [version 1.6.5 95 12 11], PGP available Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I want to port a vt220 emulator to freebsd + X Any reccomendations of where to get hold of some source ? I dont want to write stuff, just do a port :-) Right now I'm trudging through 20 pages of http://www.altavista.digital.com/av vt220 terminal emulation source I'd welcome reccomendations - Thanks :-) Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ (PGP available) From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 16:07:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA21959 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 16:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from horst.bfd.com ([204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21934 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 16:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.2]) by horst.bfd.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19188; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 16:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 16:08:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Richard Chang cc: ports@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Richard Chang wrote: > On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Satoshi Asami wrote: > > > Guys, please look at the ports collection. Xview toolkit and olvwm > > are both in there and have been working fine for quite some time. > > > > By the way, if you want a mwm lookalike, go for fvwm, and for an (HP) > > vuewm lookalike, ctwm. > > Do all of these windows managers have a way on the keyboard to > switch between windows? You can certainly configure fvwm do do this, usually on Alt-Tab. fvwm also allows for modules, which is nice. One of the modules available (currently only for fvwm95) gives me the *ONE* feature I like from Win95, which is a bar with a button on it for each window, so I can click on a button and go to that window (uniconifying as necessary). Now if only the bugger would go on the right of the screen instead of the top or the bottom. :-) From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 18:03:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA00735 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00726 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA09110; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:02:42 -0700 (PDT) To: "Julian H. Stacey" cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vt220 emulator In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:01:24 +0200." <199604112301.BAA16199@vector.jhs.no_domain> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:02:42 -0700 Message-ID: <9107.829270962@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk /usr/ports/x11/emu For shame - Michael E. and I wrote this and you don't know about it? :-) Jordan > I want to port a vt220 emulator to freebsd + X > Any reccomendations of where to get hold of some source ? > I dont want to write stuff, just do a port :-) > Right now I'm trudging through 20 pages of > http://www.altavista.digital.com/av > vt220 terminal emulation source > I'd welcome reccomendations - Thanks :-) > > Julian > -- > Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ (PGP availab le) From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 18:05:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA01143 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA01131 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA12166; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:04:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:04:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Chang To: Terry Lambert cc: asami@cs.berkeley.edu, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: <199604112128.OAA05031@phaeton.artisoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > By the way, if you want a mwm lookalike, go for fvwm, and for an (HP) > > > vuewm lookalike, ctwm. > > > > Do all of these windows managers have a way on the keyboard to > > switch between windows? > > The ones mentioned have the ability to have accelerators bound, though > I know that at least one of them does not have them bound by default. > > Ie: not in the default configuration as distributed. Hmmm, how do you have them bound since it's not in the manpages... Richard From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 18:07:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA01596 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA01582 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA12451; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:07:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:07:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Chang To: Bryan Ogawa at Work cc: Satoshi Asami , hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ports@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Bryan Ogawa at Work wrote: > On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Richard Chang wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Satoshi Asami wrote: > > > > > * > olvwm or something like it should be part of the OPEN Look toolkit. > > > * > > > > * > Long long time we had all this stuff running on FreeBSD. > > > * > > > * I ran FreeBSD since 1.0GAMMA but does olvwm look like motif/fvwm > > > * in any way since both of these allow hitting alt-F7/F8(fvwm) and > > > * alt-tab(motif) to go to the next window.... What window manager does > > > * XFree86 come with? > > > > > > Guys, please look at the ports collection. Xview toolkit and olvwm > > > are both in there and have been working fine for quite some time. > > > > > > By the way, if you want a mwm lookalike, go for fvwm, and for an (HP) > > > vuewm lookalike, ctwm. > > > > Do all of these windows managers have a way on the keyboard to > > switch between windows? > > I can't talk about others, but fvwm 1 does. It can be more erratic than > the one in MS Windows (which works according to a pretty good system, > actually), but it's bound by default to Alt-F7 and Alt-F8... I also wish > Circulate-Up and Circulate-Down were inverses of each other. That would > make me happy. I know fvwm does but somehow like is there a way to make it so it will do the up and down in a certain order? Richard From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 18:10:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA02208 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA02194 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA12661; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:09:57 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:09:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Chang To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" cc: ports@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: > On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Richard Chang wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Satoshi Asami wrote: > > > > > Guys, please look at the ports collection. Xview toolkit and olvwm > > > are both in there and have been working fine for quite some time. > > > > > > By the way, if you want a mwm lookalike, go for fvwm, and for an (HP) > > > vuewm lookalike, ctwm. > > > > Do all of these windows managers have a way on the keyboard to > > switch between windows? > > You can certainly configure fvwm do do this, usually on Alt-Tab. fvwm > also allows for modules, which is nice. One of the modules available > (currently only for fvwm95) gives me the *ONE* feature I like from Win95, > which is a bar with a button on it for each window, so I can click on a > button and go to that window (uniconifying as necessary). Now if only > the bugger would go on the right of the screen instead of the top or the > bottom. :-) Hmmm, I am using fvwm and it only does it with Alt-F7/F8 and not Alt-Tab, how did you get it to work with alt-TAB? Also, is the bar with a button actually a feature that comes out of the package or do you need to configure fvwm to do it? Richard From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 19:25:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA09355 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA09331 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA00517; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:23:43 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199604120223.TAA00517@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. To: richardc@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Richard Chang) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:23:43 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, asami@cs.berkeley.edu, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ports@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Richard Chang" at Apr 11, 96 06:04:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > By the way, if you want a mwm lookalike, go for fvwm, and for an (HP) > > > > vuewm lookalike, ctwm. > > > > > > Do all of these windows managers have a way on the keyboard to > > > switch between windows? > > > > The ones mentioned have the ability to have accelerators bound, though > > I know that at least one of them does not have them bound by default. > > > > Ie: not in the default configuration as distributed. > > Hmmm, how do you have them bound since it's not in the manpages... You read the source code. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 21:10:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA16518 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 21:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16443 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 21:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linda.teleport.com (mrl@linda.teleport.com [192.108.254.12]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07905; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:12:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mostyn/Annabella Received: (from mrl@localhost) by linda.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA09070; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604111612.JAA09070@linda.teleport.com> Subject: Re: [FVWM95] anyone want to make it to be a port ?! To: justin@cyburbia.bns.com.au (Justin Viiret) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Cc: marc@bowtie.nl, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Justin Viiret" at Apr 11, 96 12:17:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Marc van Kempen wrote: > > > > You wouldn't consider making up a port? I managed to get it to build > > > (dropped it into the fvwm2 port and added -lcompat to KLUDGE_LIBS in > > > Fvwm.tmpl), but after installing everything... no go. Running fvwm95-2 > > > under X freezes, and I have to close down X :( > > > > > I made the same mistake, you have to install the example.fvwm2rc95 as > > ~/.fvwm2rc95 > > I did; still no go :( File permissions seem ok on all files it needs to > access, too... weird. > > /-------------------------------------------------------------------------\ > | Justin Viiret Cyburbia Network Services | > | justin@cyburbia.bns.com.au Co-sysadmin | > | http://cyburbia.bns.com.au/~justin A96 Music Competition (dis)Organiser | > \------------------[Relax, it's only ones and zeroes.]--------------------/ > Hi, This worked for me only if - 1. example.fvwm2rc95 -> ~/.fvwm2rc95 as above 2. Change install directory path from /usr/local/X11R6 -> /usr/X11R6 Mostyn From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 22:36:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA24308 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from metronet.com (root@mail.metronet.com [192.245.137.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA24288 Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.metronet.com (dal92.metronet.com) by metronet.com with SMTP id AA05794 (5.67a/IDA1.5hp); Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:35:07 -0500 Received: (from rick@localhost) by localhost.metronet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA00600; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:31:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:31:16 -0500 (CDT) From: rbarton X-Sender: rick@localhost To: Jake Hamby Cc: Terry Lambert , lenzi@cwbone.bsi.com.br, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Jake Hamby wrote: > On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, rbarton wrote: > > > Since we're on the subject of GUIs... any word on Fresco? Is there > > anybody working or considering this? > > I'm perfectly happy with Motif, using the Doug Young method of wrapping an > entire widget tree into a C++ class, rather than the thin-wrapper approach > of encapsulating every widget. I think that objects should correspond to My concern isn't on the language as much as it is the look-n-feel, and that it's free. :-) > As for Fresco, I was under the impression that it was an experimental > component of X11R6, similar to LBX (the low-bandwidth X extension I found I didn't know it was just experimental. I just thought it was going to lean toward a good interface, not a total redo of all the widgets. > Personally, if I wanted to move away from Motif, but still use X and Unix, > I would choose Java (which, in the Unix implementation, is itself based on > Motif). Java is OOP, and cross-platform too, and in theory, could be > easily integrated with C++ programs in the manner of TCL/Tk (although it > isn't common practice, but it is how Java's standard classes are bound to > Motif and other standard libraries). I like Motif too. I haven't tried integrating TCL/TK into any C/C++ apps though. I suppose I'll break down and purchase Motif some time. rick | o________________________|________________________o \/ o \/ any landing you can walk \___/ away from is a good one / | \ rbarton@metronet.com From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 22:37:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA24352 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24345 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id HAA12573; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:15:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA00638; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:15:36 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:15:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Klemm To: Frank Seltzer cc: Bill/Carolyn Pechter , ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [FVWM95] anyone want to make it to be a port ?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Frank Seltzer wrote: > I'm running -stable from about a week ago. I just built FVWM95 ~1 hour > ago and everything went Ok. I am using it now! fine ;-)) You make me happy ;-)) - -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMW3m9/MLpmkD/U+FAQG7NAP/df42sqSXo4k8nZUvKGqUdosl++kOuOmX JThqBqYjofaSL+U7WOKUzTfKgI++G039278eYQgJEXD80BwC2HxYBGgTjTNefqs2 3uXCdceRCCZ2yFWTLwqW7tpwiU4dwQO3UhjpZKlbwaLjn43DuvlMmFw4b8WKKE9D BaEAguL+oAo= =YBk6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 22:37:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA24378 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24370 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id HAA12536; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:15:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA00624; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:14:37 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:14:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Klemm To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" cc: Bill/Carolyn Pechter , ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [FVWM95] anyone want to make it to be a port ?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: [fvwm95 port fails on 2.1 ?] > > I'm running -current here, perhaps someone else with a -stable > > machine could please test this ?! > > I'll build the port tonight on 2.1R, if that will help. I've got it > working on my office machine, but I didn't build it from the port. Ok, thanks ! - -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMW3mvPMLpmkD/U+FAQHXygQAqxeYV2AqzVgAqYLxoWLlIp6bGdFDp0+z 7GpLeSnMrwCQDu0Aayrnm3Aq7uW1cZMRAbbozbN1nXuZ6DIguRGLoR4Y5MRqPTsL rbYnd5DmFFf4O9he5nfJzAOvPVoN5ca3nRXCoZ3SbFprmgVrKh1UAoh3bguViJmA LLoBKWvQLzM= =TN9B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 22:49:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA25778 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from psycfrnd.interaccess.com (joeg@psycfrnd.interaccess.com [198.80.0.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25773 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from joeg@localhost) by psycfrnd.interaccess.com (8.7.2/8.6.9) id AAA10384; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:45:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Grosch Message-Id: <199604120545.AAA10384@psycfrnd.interaccess.com> Subject: Re: Xinside's Motif To: erich@lodgenet.com (Eric L. Hernes) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:45:03 -0500 (CDT) Cc: ports@freebsd.org Reply-To: joeg@truenorth.org In-Reply-To: <199604112052.PAA04491@jake.lodgenet.com> from "Eric L. Hernes" at Apr 11, 96 03:52:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >with all this talk of motif, I just checked Xinside's web >pages, and they show motif for FreeBSD shipping! Anyone >know any more about this -- is it true? > >eric. >-- >erich@lodgenet.com >erich@rrnet.com > Check out their web page (http://night.xinside.com). The first page says "FreeBSD" but follow the freebsd links and one find they are saying BSDI. I assume that one should buy their product that was for BSDI and run it as an emulation. I'm not sure I'm willing to spend $150.00 for an emulation. I have had several phone conversations with a sales person at Xinside and he has said several times that a native FreeBSD port of Motif is not in the near future. Sigh!! :-( I guess I'm gonna have to send my money to Lazermoon. They have a native FreeBSD port of Motif for $100.00. Josef -- Josef Grosch - joeg@truenorth.org | "Laugh while you can, monkey boy." http://www.interaccess.com/users/joeg | - John Warfin - ========================================================================== Keeper of FreeBSD ported list - FreeBSD 2.1.0R http://www.interaccess.com/users/joeg/ported.html ========================================================================== From owner-freebsd-ports Thu Apr 11 23:51:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA01016 for ports-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 23:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01004 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 23:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA01222; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 23:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 23:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604120650.XAA01222@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: nordquist@platinum.com CC: ports@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <96Apr8.065238cdt.18451@gateway.platinum.com> (nordquist@platinum.com) Subject: Re: Port of gdbm 1.7.3 to FreeBSD uploaded From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * I placed in in ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/gdbm-1.7.3.tar.gz. * This was an extremely straightforward port; no work Makefile or code * changes were required. I just had to develop the top-level Makefile * and the package files. Thanks, imported! Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 00:45:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA06826 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06810 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA22690; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604120745.AAA22690@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: andreas@knobel.gun.de CC: ports@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Andreas Klemm on Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:10:47 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: fvwm95 port included - really *cool* stuff !!!! From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * Have fun with that port people ... Never saw such a nice looking * X11 desktop ;-)) A Win95 lookalike <<< powered by FreeBSD >>> Thanks, committed. I took out your sample.xinitrc and the message about it in post-install though, I didn't see it doing anything interesting except running "fvwm95-2" which, I believe, is not hard to figure out for anyone who's competent enough to install FreeBSD (and not Win95 ;). Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 00:51:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA07536 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA07525 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA10545; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:50:50 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA27271; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:50:50 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA09336; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:42:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604120742.JAA09336@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Xinside's Motif To: erich@lodgenet.com (Eric L. Hernes) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:42:22 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199604112052.PAA04491@jake.lodgenet.com> from "Eric L. Hernes" at Apr 11, 96 03:52:21 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Eric L. Hernes wrote: > > with all this talk of motif, I just checked Xinside's web > pages, and they show motif for FreeBSD shipping! Anyone > know any more about this -- is it true? Thomas Roell wrote me last weekend that it was about to be shipped ASAP. He's already using it himself for quite a longer time. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 01:11:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA09721 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA09710 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA01344; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604120811.BAA01344@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Motif changes to bsd.port.mk just committed From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Enjoy.... Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 01:21:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA10621 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA10591 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA11766; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:20:49 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA27494; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:20:49 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA09588; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:55:30 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604120755.JAA09588@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Xinside's Motif To: joeg@truenorth.org Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:55:29 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ports@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199604120545.AAA10384@psycfrnd.interaccess.com> from "Joe Grosch" at Apr 12, 96 00:45:03 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Joe Grosch wrote: > I > have had several phone conversations with a sales person at Xinside and he > has said several times that a native FreeBSD port of Motif is not in the > near future. Sigh!! :-( Thomas Roell told me otherwise. > I guess I'm gonna have to send my money to > Lazermoon. They have a native FreeBSD port of Motif for $100.00. Don't do it. It's not really worth the money. In short: it sucks. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 03:27:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA22564 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 03:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA22555 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 03:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA15900; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 03:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 03:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604121027.DAA15900@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org CC: ports@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <9604111031.AA22980@iworks.InterWorks.org> (deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org) Subject: Re: Question about Motif From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * Just did and it worked great! I modified the patch file to use * ${MOTIFLIB} instead of -lXm, and the port Makefile to set * REQUIRES_MOTIF. No problems. Cool cool. * I noticed the nedit patch file that was in * ports-current/editors/nedit/patches/patch-aa still had a hardcoded * /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.a instead of ${MOTIFLIB}. Were you going to * make the appropriate changes to nedit as well? Yes, they should all be fixed by now (I mean, on all the mirror servers -- I fixed this yesterday :). * I really like this new bsd.port.mk Motif method. Very simple and clean :-) Thanks. :) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 03:28:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA22628 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 03:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA22623 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 03:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA15897; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 03:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 03:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604121025.DAA15897@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de CC: ports@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199604110748.JAA03978@uriah.heep.sax.de> (message from J Wunsch on Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:48:12 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: Question about Motif packages From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * > Hmm, we use "xmkmf -a", which does a whole lot more than just a single * > imake. I don't think we want to get into that. * * ``a whole lot more'' is a bit of an overstatement. :-) All it does is * a ``make Makefiles; make includes; make depend'' after running imake. Well, that's a lot, I wouldn't want to put THAT in one of our variables. ;) * > As I said in my mail explaining the bsd.port.mk changes, libraries are * > not hard to handle at all, so I'm not worried, xmkmf with explicit * > Motif references should work fine. * * At least one Motif kit i've got (actually a really old one) doesn't * come with a separate script. The README only hinted about the above * (using -DUseInstalledMotif). That's ok, we are trying to handle this using only standard xmkmf. (Because different Motif implementations may have different conventions -- some define XmClientLibs, some don't, for instance, but if we use "${MOTIFLIB} XawClientLibs", it should always work.) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 03:30:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA22719 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 03:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA22712 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 03:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA11176; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 03:29:42 -0700 (PDT) To: joeg@truenorth.org cc: erich@lodgenet.com (Eric L. Hernes), ports@FreeBSD.ORG, jdc@xinside.com Subject: Re: Xinside's Motif In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:45:03 CDT." <199604120545.AAA10384@psycfrnd.interaccess.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 03:29:42 -0700 Message-ID: <11173.829304982@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Check out their web page (http://night.xinside.com). The first page says > "FreeBSD" but follow the freebsd links and one find they are saying BSDI. I > assume that one should buy their product that was for BSDI and run it as an This was a bit of gun-jumping on someone's part at X Inside which has left the engineering dept. feeling rather gloomy. They're still at the stage of doing the pre-production distribution which will, in turn, be sent on to me so that I have a chance to evaluate it _before_ it goes to press (I only wish that Lasermoon had seen fit to do this with their dist! It would have avoided many of the problems I found with it). > emulation. I'm not sure I'm willing to spend $150.00 for an emulation. I > have had several phone conversations with a sales person at Xinside and he > has said several times that a native FreeBSD port of Motif is not in the > near future. Sigh!! :-( I guess I'm gonna have to send my money to That's totally incorrect. Please hang back a bit on this one - it is imminent, but apparently there are some communications problems within X Inside that need to be resolved as well. > Lazermoon. They have a native FreeBSD port of Motif for $100.00. I wish I could recommend this distribution. It does work, but hardly flawlessly, and the support@lasermoon.co.uk address seems to have the local cemetery on staff for all the response I've gotten from it. Jordan From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 05:48:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA00197 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 05:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hda.com (ip41-max1-fitch.zipnet.net [199.232.245.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA00189 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 05:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA05810; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:30:54 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199604121130.HAA05810@hda.com> Subject: Re: Xinside's Motif To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Cc: joeg@truenorth.org, ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199604120755.JAA09588@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Apr 12, 96 09:55:29 am Reply-to: hdalog@zipnet.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > As Joe Grosch wrote: > > > I > > have had several phone conversations with a sales person at Xinside and he > > has said several times that a native FreeBSD port of Motif is not in the > > near future. Sigh!! :-( > > Thomas Roell told me otherwise. My partner heard nothing negative about FreeBSD when he talked to Xinside other than it wasn't working yet and was being worked on. -- Temporarily via "hdalog@zipnet.net"... Peter Dufault Real-Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 05:49:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA00225 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 05:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hda.com (ip41-max1-fitch.zipnet.net [199.232.245.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA00218 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 05:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA05796; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:29:14 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199604121129.HAA05796@hda.com> Subject: Re: Xinside's Motif To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Cc: erich@lodgenet.com, ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199604120742.JAA09336@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Apr 12, 96 09:42:22 am Reply-to: hdalog@zipnet.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > As Eric L. Hernes wrote: > > > > with all this talk of motif, I just checked Xinside's web > > pages, and they show motif for FreeBSD shipping! Anyone > > know any more about this -- is it true? > > Thomas Roell wrote me last weekend that it was about to be shipped > ASAP. He's already using it himself for quite a longer time. My partner called Xinside about Motif last week. They told him it was in beta, that it was not shipping due to a FreeBSD bug, and that "people at FreeBSD" are working with them to fix it. Thomas - you'll be glad to know his impression of Xinside over the phone was positive. He was going to call back yesterday about getting a beta copy - we need it to bring up a commercial product we are porting - I don't know what happened. -- Temporarily via "hdalog@zipnet.net"... Peter Dufault Real-Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 07:05:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA05434 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crab.xinside.com (crab.xinside.com [199.164.187.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA05418 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jdc@localhost) by crab.xinside.com (8.6.8/8.6.9) id IAA02120; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:10:17 -0600 From: Jeremy Chatfield Message-Id: <199604121410.IAA02120@crab.xinside.com> Subject: Re: Xinside's Motif To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:10:17 +0100 (MDT) Cc: joeg@truenorth.org, erich@lodgenet.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, jdc@xinside.com In-Reply-To: <11173.829304982@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Apr 12, 96 03:29:42 am Organization: X Inside Inc, 1801 Broadway, 17th Floor, Denver, CO 80202 Phone: +1 303 / 298-7478 Reply-To: jdc@xinside.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We have been working on a FreeBSD Motif, intermittently, for months. It is a native port to FreeBSD. We've been actively involved in discussions with some FreeBSD core team members, primarily about memory allocation because of a peculiarity that we've seen on FreeBSD and that we do not see on Linux ELF, Linux a.out and BSD/OS ports. If that does not convince you that we're working on a native FreeBSD port, nothing else short of the product, will do so ;-) Staff changes and other internal issues have plagued this project, as well as the memory allocation problem we noticed, so this port has not come out anything like as fast as we've wanted. We're now reasonably convinced that the memory allocation issue is something that is out of our control, and is also not very significant to the Motif implementation. Briefly, the problem is that on the other OS's, when we run the Motif Validation Test Suite, the Window Manager and the VTS grow to a total of around 20MB. On FreeBSD, with a variety of different mallocs, using the same source code, the MWM+VTS memory use totals around 45MB. We think that the problem is therefore external to our Motif, and may lie in the FreeBSD libs, or perhaps is some bizarre effect of the VM system. In any case, extended internal use suggests that users will not be aware of the problem at all. The number of windows created during a VTS run is roughly equivalent to about ten years of continuous use of the window manager - we're fairly sure that you'll have rebooted at least once in that time, so you'll not be aware of the problem either ;-) If you *do* create programs that create thousands of windows, you might see some growth - the VTS creates hundreds of thousands of windows over a whole day of running automatic tests, so you might not notice any real size increase, unless you really go out looking for trouble. We'll ignore deliberate trouble makers ;-) We are intending to work with the FreeBSD core to help pin down the peculiar memory use, and we have probably unduly held on to the port while we worry about the importance of this problem. We want a brief review of our product and packaging, just to make sure that we've conformed to the norms (deletion of /usr/local - that's mandatory now, isn't it Jordan?). With a final internal review, we'll be ready to ship. I have a nasty suspicion that we may not have planned the release of this information yet... we have internal Web servers where we stage information and I suspect that we may have run the program that copies the files from the internal Server to the public Server... I know that we were revving the internal order form (we are using the Web to capture and process all orders now, I believe) and we may have run the program to transfer that, and also caught up the other documents in an edit stage - the references to BSDI suggest that the webdocs are not yet complete. The chap responsible for this is not in yet. It's quite unusual for us to say much about something before it is ready to ship - though I guess that pricing could be inferred from the other ports, and so once it is known that we plan the release the price would become obvious, so there'd be no need to hide it. I dunno - too much Marketing doublethink for this time of day! Cheers, JeremyC. -- Jeremy Chatfield +1(303)298-7478 FAX:+1(303)298-1406 email:jdc@xinside.com Commercial X Products - for more information please try: X Inside Inc, 1801 Broadway, 17th Floor, Denver, CO 80202 http://www.xinside.com/ majordomo@xinside.com ftp.xinside.com From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 07:25:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA07226 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flowbee.interaccess.com (joeg@flowbee.interaccess.com [198.80.0.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07221 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:25:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from joeg@localhost) by flowbee.interaccess.com (8.7.2/8.6.9) id JAA27740; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:22:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Grosch Message-Id: <199604121422.JAA27740@flowbee.interaccess.com> Subject: Re: Xinside's Motif To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:22:15 -0500 (CDT) Cc: erich@lodgenet.com, ports@freebsd.org, jdc@xinside.com Reply-To: joeg@truenorth.org In-Reply-To: <11173.829304982@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Apr 12, 96 03:29:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> Check out their web page (http://night.xinside.com). The first page says >> "FreeBSD" but follow the freebsd links and one find they are saying BSDI. I >> assume that one should buy their product that was for BSDI and run it as an > >This was a bit of gun-jumping on someone's part at X Inside which has >left the engineering dept. feeling rather gloomy. They're still at >the stage of doing the pre-production distribution which will, in >turn, be sent on to me so that I have a chance to evaluate it _before_ >it goes to press (I only wish that Lasermoon had seen fit to do this >with their dist! It would have avoided many of the problems I found >with it). > >> emulation. I'm not sure I'm willing to spend $150.00 for an emulation. I >> have had several phone conversations with a sales person at Xinside and he >> has said several times that a native FreeBSD port of Motif is not in the >> near future. Sigh!! :-( I guess I'm gonna have to send my money to > >That's totally incorrect. Please hang back a bit on this one - it is >imminent, but apparently there are some communications problems within >X Inside that need to be resolved as well. > >> Lazermoon. They have a native FreeBSD port of Motif for $100.00. > >I wish I could recommend this distribution. It does work, but hardly >flawlessly, and the support@lasermoon.co.uk address seems to have the >local cemetery on staff for all the response I've gotten from it. > > Jordan > Well, it seems I've jumped the gun also. I had spoken to a sales person about 6 weeks ago. I guess he was either new or mis-informed. Sorry about this mis-information. I have been chomping at the bit to do some Motif development and bummed about the lack of Motif for FreeBSD. I'm glad to see Xinside is indeed working on a port. Josef -- Josef Grosch - joeg@truenorth.org | "Laugh while you can, monkey boy." http://www.interaccess.com/users/joeg | - John Warfin - ========================================================================== Keeper of FreeBSD ported list - FreeBSD 2.1.0R http://www.interaccess.com/users/joeg/ported.html ========================================================================== From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 08:11:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA09847 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09840 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id QAA17073; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:46:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01928; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:38:43 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:38:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Klemm To: Satoshi Asami cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fvwm95 port included - really *cool* stuff !!!! In-Reply-To: <199604120745.AAA22690@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Satoshi Asami wrote: > * Have fun with that port people ... Never saw such a nice looking > * X11 desktop ;-)) A Win95 lookalike <<< powered by FreeBSD >>> > > Thanks, committed. I took out your sample.xinitrc and the message > about it in post-install though, I didn't see it doing anything > interesting except running "fvwm95-2" which, I believe, is not hard to > figure out for anyone who's competent enough to install FreeBSD (and > not Win95 ;). ok, ok ;-)) - -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMW5q8vMLpmkD/U+FAQGzfAP/V+7jqjqSvT29Yp81C/oYdbgTEIFAghS+ KkAx1QLclQJsCkC724W/WsimU9hfqvjlq6QY63sa8WdhLjaBpoVF8+XtQBIX2M6f ov2rYScfm8BiObJDcNVAJbuHaHtKzkwWZPI9+qKYwVDvq0tM06gae0aWaML5br0T 8uDArLmOK+c= =0abJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 08:18:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA10368 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from horst.bfd.com ([204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA10346 Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.2]) by horst.bfd.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21678; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:20:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Richard Chang cc: ports@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Richard Chang wrote: > > You can certainly configure fvwm do do this, usually on Alt-Tab. fvwm > > also allows for modules, which is nice. One of the modules available > > (currently only for fvwm95) gives me the *ONE* feature I like from Win95, > > which is a bar with a button on it for each window, so I can click on a > > button and go to that window (uniconifying as necessary). Now if only > > the bugger would go on the right of the screen instead of the top or the > > bottom. :-) > > Hmmm, I am using fvwm and it only does it with Alt-F7/F8 and not > Alt-Tab, how did you get it to work with alt-TAB? Also, is the bar with > a button actually a feature that comes out of the package or do you need > to configure fvwm to do it? A long time ago, I edited my .fvwmrc to do this. It's really not hard to do, once you understand the layout of the .fvwmrc. In fact, there's an amazing list of things that you can do once you learn to modify the .fvwmrc. From a routine in the .fvwm2rc, I believe that you can now set up an action (menu, button, hotkey, etc) that will bring your mail program to the front, uniconify it if necessary, or *RUN* it if it's not already running. Haven't been able to get it to work yet, as the sample is for xmh, and I'm using pine. Here's the key bindings you are talking about Key F7 A M Next [*] focus Key F8 A M Prev [*] focus I *BELIEVE* (haven't tried it in 2.0) that the line Key Tab A M Next [*] focus should do the trick. (Suddenly, he realizes that he's running Fvwm95 *NOW*, so modifies his .fvwm2rc95, restarts Fvwm95, and comfirms that it works) As for the task bar, it is included in the sample fvwm95rc file that comes with the Fvwm95 distribution. From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 09:34:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA16359 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16338 Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0u7lnt-0003vlC; Fri, 12 Apr 96 09:34 PDT Received: from localhost.tfs.com (localhost.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA14822; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:04:58 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost.tfs.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" cc: Richard Chang , ports@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. (PLEASE STOP!!) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:20:17 MST." Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:03:43 +0000 Message-ID: <14820.829325023@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I guess this little war has raged sufficiently now. Please move this discussion elsewhere now. THANKYOU! Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 10:19:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA19483 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boner.mrami.com (mramirez.sy.yale.edu [130.132.57.207]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19478 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mrami@localhost) by boner.mrami.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA14495; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:19:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:19:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Ramirez To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: ports-all Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have but one complaint: . . . SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/aXe-6.1.2.tar.Z SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/acm.tar.gz SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/acs020.tar.gz SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/aero_1.5.2_src.tar.gz SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/afio.2.4.1.tgz SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/afm-tar.Z SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/amanda-2.2.6.5.tar.gz SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/apache_1.0.3.tar.gz SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/apr-96-update.tar SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/apsfilter-4.9.2.tar.gz SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/arc521e.pl8.tar.Z SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/arena-beta-1e-src.tgz SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/ashe_cci.tar.Z SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/ast50unx.shar.gz . . . :) Marc. -- A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. -- Daniel Webster From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 11:06:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA22546 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22541 Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA07618; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:05:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:05:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Chang To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" cc: ports@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: > On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Richard Chang wrote: > > > > You can certainly configure fvwm do do this, usually on Alt-Tab. fvwm > > > also allows for modules, which is nice. One of the modules available > > > (currently only for fvwm95) gives me the *ONE* feature I like from Win95, > > > which is a bar with a button on it for each window, so I can click on a > > > button and go to that window (uniconifying as necessary). Now if only > > > the bugger would go on the right of the screen instead of the top or the > > > bottom. :-) > > > > Hmmm, I am using fvwm and it only does it with Alt-F7/F8 and not > > Alt-Tab, how did you get it to work with alt-TAB? Also, is the bar with > > a button actually a feature that comes out of the package or do you need > > to configure fvwm to do it? > > A long time ago, I edited my .fvwmrc to do this. It's really not hard to > do, once you understand the layout of the .fvwmrc. In fact, there's an > amazing list of things that you can do once you learn to modify the > .fvwmrc. From a routine in the .fvwm2rc, I believe that you can now set > up an action (menu, button, hotkey, etc) that will bring your mail > program to the front, uniconify it if necessary, or *RUN* it if it's not > already running. Haven't been able to get it to work yet, as the sample > is for xmh, and I'm using pine. > > Here's the key bindings you are talking about > > Key F7 A M Next [*] focus > Key F8 A M Prev [*] focus > > I *BELIEVE* (haven't tried it in 2.0) that the line > > Key Tab A M Next [*] focus > > should do the trick. (Suddenly, he realizes that he's running Fvwm95 > *NOW*, so modifies his .fvwm2rc95, restarts Fvwm95, and comfirms that it > works) > > As for the task bar, it is included in the sample fvwm95rc file that > comes with the Fvwm95 distribution. Hmmm, does fvwm95 still use .fvwmrc? Richard From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 11:44:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA25345 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from distortion.eng.umd.edu (distortion.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25314 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skipper.eng.umd.edu (skipper.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.208]) by distortion.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18984; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 14:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by skipper.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA31188; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 14:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 14:43:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@skipper.eng.umd.edu To: Satoshi Asami cc: nordquist@platinum.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Port of gdbm 1.7.3 to FreeBSD uploaded In-Reply-To: <199604120650.XAA01222@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Satoshi Asami wrote: > * I placed in in ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/gdbm-1.7.3.tar.gz. > * This was an extremely straightforward port; no work Makefile or code > * changes were required. I just had to develop the top-level Makefile > * and the package files. > > Thanks, imported! You know, while I'm always glad to see the ports collection grow, this last one puzzles me. Since we have the entire Berkeley db code in our libc, and this gives (I think) all the functionality of gdbm, well, why would you need gdbm. I know -current recently imported db.1.85, so it's really up to date. Reading the postscript docs available at the dist site, it's even supposed to be technically superior in performance to gdbm. ========================================================================== Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu, I run FreeBSD-current on n3lxx + Journey2 Three Accounts for the Super-users in the sky, Seven for the Operators in their halls of fame, Nine for Ordinary Users doomed to crie, One for the Illegal Cracker with his evil game In the Domains of Internet where the data lie. One Account to rule them all, One Account to watch them, One Account to make them all and in the network bind them. From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 12:52:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA05304 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05288 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA18740; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604121951.MAA18740@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: mrami@mrami.com CC: ports@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Marc Ramirez on Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:19:14 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: ports-all From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/aXe-6.1.2.tar.Z What? Err, I'm sorry I didn't notice this, it doesn't happen for release=cvs. Jordan, can you fix it, I think most people want ports-all to mean "all but distfiles"? ;) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 12:59:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA06911 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06891 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA19758; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604121958.MAA19758@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu CC: nordquist@platinum.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Chuck Robey on Fri, 12 Apr 1996 14:43:01 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: Port of gdbm 1.7.3 to FreeBSD uploaded From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * You know, while I'm always glad to see the ports collection grow, this * last one puzzles me. Since we have the entire Berkeley db code in our * libc, and this gives (I think) all the functionality of gdbm, well, why * would you need gdbm. I know -current recently imported db.1.85, so it's * really up to date. Reading the postscript docs available at the dist * site, it's even supposed to be technically superior in performance to gdbm. Well, are they compatible? I mean, if there is a program that's written with gdbm in mind, and it won't compile/link/run with dbm without modification, then I think gdbm will have a place on somebody's machine (and thus the ports collection). If it's completely compatible, and dbm is better or at least not worse in all aspects, then, well it's a different story. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 15:15:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA16195 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16172 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA10686 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:15:29 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA05898 for ports@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:15:28 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA12696 for ports@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:14:17 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604122214.AAA12696@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: How to avoid passive mode ftp? To: ports@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:14:16 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sitting behind slow link, and not caring for icky firewalls, is there any way to avoid ncftp's passive mode when building a port? It takes a huge amount of time until the connection is initially established. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 16:04:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA28614 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28524 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA26196; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:02:13 -0700 (PDT) To: Marc Ramirez cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports-all In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:19:14 EDT." Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:02:13 -0700 Message-ID: <26194.829350133@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It's supposed to work that way - ports-all means, well, ALL! If you don't want ports-distfiles then I can only recommend the individual pieces. Jordan > > I have but one complaint: > > . > . > . > SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/aXe-6.1.2.tar.Z > SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/acm.tar.gz > SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/acs020.tar.gz > SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/aero_1.5.2_src.tar.gz > SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/afio.2.4.1.tgz > SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/afm-tar.Z > SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/amanda-2.2.6.5.tar.gz > SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/apache_1.0.3.tar.gz > SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/apr-96-update.tar > SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/apsfilter-4.9.2.tar.gz > SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/arc521e.pl8.tar.Z > SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/arena-beta-1e-src.tgz > SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/ashe_cci.tar.Z > SUP Receiving file ports/distfiles/ast50unx.shar.gz > . > . > . > > :) > > Marc. > > -- > A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many > bad measures. > -- Daniel Webster > From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 16:16:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA29534 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29529 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA26295; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:16:14 -0700 (PDT) To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) cc: mrami@mrami.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ports-all In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:51:49 PDT." <199604121951.MAA18740@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:16:14 -0700 Message-ID: <26293.829350974@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What? Err, I'm sorry I didn't notice this, it doesn't happen for > release=cvs. Jordan, can you fix it, I think most people want > ports-all to mean "all but distfiles"? ;) I guess I could put an exclude line in there, but are you sure? I see this as a feature, not a bug! Not all of us are at the end of weenie 14.4K interfaces.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 16:23:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA29845 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu (sunrise.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA29840 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA03672; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:23:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:23:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199604122323.QAA03672@sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com CC: mrami@mrami.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <26293.829350974@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: ports-all From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * I guess I could put an exclude line in there, but are you sure? Yes! I've gotten many requests for "all ports except distfiles" from people! ;) * I see * this as a feature, not a bug! Not all of us are at the end of * weenie 14.4K interfaces.. :-) Well, /usr/ports minus distfiles is 9.5MB. /usr/ports/distfiles is 365MB. I don't really think they are in the same boat.... :> Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 17:13:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA04041 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04035 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA26525; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:12:34 -0700 (PDT) To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) cc: mrami@mrami.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ports-all In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:23:52 PDT." <199604122323.QAA03672@sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:12:34 -0700 Message-ID: <26523.829354354@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK, you've convinced me - I'll do it.. :-) Jordan > * I guess I could put an exclude line in there, but are you sure? > > Yes! I've gotten many requests for "all ports except distfiles" from > people! ;) > > * I see > * this as a feature, not a bug! Not all of us are at the end of > * weenie 14.4K interfaces.. :-) > > Well, /usr/ports minus distfiles is 9.5MB. /usr/ports/distfiles is > 365MB. I don't really think they are in the same boat.... :> > > Satoshi From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 19:10:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA09940 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darkside.home (root@pm186.spectra.net [204.177.130.186]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09920 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by darkside.home (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA06188 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 22:10:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: darkside.home: mike owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 22:09:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Peck X-Sender: mike@darkside.home To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: knews port uploaded Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- knews-0.9.6.port.tgz has been placed in ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/ This is a news reader for X. - ---- Mike Peck http://sparc2.umeres.maine.edu/~mike/ mike@binghamton.edu Director, Deep Space MUSE mike@sparc2.umeres.maine.edu FreeBSD user (http://www.freebsd.org/) PGP Public Key ID = 0x300095D1 PGP Key Available from Key Servers Key fingerprint = 39 ED 4E 6A 02 41 D2 4D B5 C3 65 3C C4 86 99 97 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMW8M3/A1OUkwAJXRAQFwXgP/Ra1hhV4DJKm7P813DjUqCigN8jb1Cver cOl+jzK9NdK8xKVHwEd3fS/G5eXIdFME5O90gTMnyL8t7dOLzcLg61OGcWCpCrjD KwYfbBLHVlwBn0tLv7MJfs17CdK8uYjz5ASflm2beFD/VKigXUvI8Db9uhXdWP6l +Ns2AF4JdGg= =tiju -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 20:55:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA15620 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.125.68.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA15613 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@sivka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.125.68.130]) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua (Sendmail 8.who.cares/5) with ESMTP id GAA04464; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 06:54:17 +0300 Received: from elvisti.kiev.ua (uucp@localhost) by sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (Sendmail 8.who.cares/5) with UUCP id GAA27372; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 06:36:58 +0300 Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.33]) by acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27690; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 06:28:14 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id GAA20443; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 06:28:13 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199604130328.GAA20443@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: Port of gdbm 1.7.3 to FreeBSD uploaded To: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 06:28:13 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: asami@CS.Berkeley.EDU, nordquist@platinum.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at Apr 12, 96 02:43:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk # You know, while I'm always glad to see the ports collection grow, this # last one puzzles me. Since we have the entire Berkeley db code in our # libc, and this gives (I think) all the functionality of gdbm, well, why # would you need gdbm. Just $0.02. Some software, i.e. 'ifmail' FIDO mailer, works with gdbm but doesn't work with Berkeley DB (for a pity). Why bother hacking those thingies if one can drop gdbm into /usr/local/lib and have virtually zero problems? So as for me, having gdbm port makes sense. -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." Frank's Management Rule #1. From owner-freebsd-ports Fri Apr 12 22:50:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA21805 for ports-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 22:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [144.206.136.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA21798 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 22:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA27157 (5.65.kiae-1 ); Sat, 13 Apr 1996 08:46:34 +0300 Received: by sovcom.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Sat, 13 Apr 96 08:46:34 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA00429; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 09:33:47 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <199604130533.JAA00429@astral.msk.su> Subject: Re: Port of gdbm 1.7.3 to FreeBSD uploaded To: stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua (Andrew V. Stesin) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 09:33:47 +0400 (MSD) Cc: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu, asami@CS.Berkeley.EDU, nordquist@platinum.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199604130328.GAA20443@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> from "Andrew V. Stesin" at "Apr 13, 96 06:28:13 am" From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) X-Class: Fast X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Just $0.02. Some software, i.e. 'ifmail' FIDO mailer, > works with gdbm but doesn't work with Berkeley DB (for a pity). You have obsolete version, newest one works with Berkeley DB. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - http://dt.demos.su/~ache : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Apr 13 01:51:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA05334 for ports-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 01:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA05295 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 01:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA20623; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:50:46 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA12759; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:50:45 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id KAA17394; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:06:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604130806.KAA17394@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: knews port uploaded To: mike@binghamton.edu (Mike Peck) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:06:00 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Mike Peck" at Apr 12, 96 10:09:32 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Mike Peck wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > knews-0.9.6.port.tgz has been placed in > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/ > > This is a news reader for X. But you're aware that knews is already in the ports? It's still at version 0.9.3 there, but i assume that's not a big deal. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Apr 13 02:07:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA07545 for ports-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 02:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA07506 Sat, 13 Apr 1996 02:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA29340; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 02:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 02:06:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199604130906.CAA29340@time.cdrom.com> To: andreas@knobel.gun.de, joerg@freebsd.org Subject: knews port incorrectly tries to use /usr/lib/sendmail Cc: ports@freebsd.org Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Instead of /usr/sbin/sendmail. Just FYI. It makes `reply' fail. Jordan From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Apr 13 02:52:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA12017 for ports-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 02:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA11996 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 02:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA21468; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 11:51:57 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA13139; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 11:51:56 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id LAA18172; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 11:28:10 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604130928.LAA18172@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: knews port incorrectly tries to use /usr/lib/sendmail To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 11:28:10 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ports@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199604130906.CAA29340@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Apr 13, 96 02:06:08 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Instead of /usr/sbin/sendmail. Just FYI. It makes `reply' fail. My ports/news/knews/patches/patch-aa starts with: *** configure.h.orig Sat Nov 18 17:06:08 1995 --- configure.h Sat Nov 18 17:08:26 1995 *************** *** 6,12 **** * You'll probably want to leave this as sendmail, but make sure the path * is right. If you don't have sendmail, use /bin/false :-). */ ! #define MAIL_COMMAND "/usr/lib/sendmail -t" /* This macro controls the generation of email addresses. --- 6,12 ---- * You'll probably want to leave this as sendmail, but make sure the path * is right. If you don't have sendmail, use /bin/false :-). */ ! #define MAIL_COMMAND "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" /* This macro controls the generation of email addresses. Did you botch something? (Btw., Karl decided to make /usr/sbin the default, so it's quite possible that upgrading to 0.9.6 will obsolete the above.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Apr 13 03:06:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA12618 for ports-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 03:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA12610 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 03:06:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA00556; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 03:05:47 -0700 (PDT) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: knews port incorrectly tries to use /usr/lib/sendmail In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 13 Apr 1996 11:28:10 +0200." <199604130928.LAA18172@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 03:05:47 -0700 Message-ID: <554.829389947@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Maybe I have an older version of knews - I'll check it out and get back to you if the problem persists after a rebuild. Jordan > As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > Instead of /usr/sbin/sendmail. Just FYI. It makes `reply' fail. > > My ports/news/knews/patches/patch-aa starts with: > > *** configure.h.orig Sat Nov 18 17:06:08 1995 > --- configure.h Sat Nov 18 17:08:26 1995 > *************** > *** 6,12 **** > * You'll probably want to leave this as sendmail, but make sure the path > * is right. If you don't have sendmail, use /bin/false :-). > */ > ! #define MAIL_COMMAND "/usr/lib/sendmail -t" > > > /* This macro controls the generation of email addresses. > --- 6,12 ---- > * You'll probably want to leave this as sendmail, but make sure the path > * is right. If you don't have sendmail, use /bin/false :-). > */ > ! #define MAIL_COMMAND "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" > > > /* This macro controls the generation of email addresses. > > > Did you botch something? > > (Btw., Karl decided to make /usr/sbin the default, so it's quite > possible that upgrading to 0.9.6 will obsolete the above.) > > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Apr 13 04:23:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA17984 for ports-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 04:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA17965 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 04:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id NAA11845; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:00:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01093; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:02:20 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:02:17 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Klemm To: Joerg Wunsch cc: Mike Peck , ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: knews port uploaded In-Reply-To: <199604130806.KAA17394@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sat, 13 Apr 1996, J Wunsch wrote: > As Mike Peck wrote: > > knews-0.9.6.port.tgz has been placed in > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/ > > But you're aware that knews is already in the ports? It's still at > version 0.9.3 there, but i assume that's not a big deal. What's wrong with the new version, Joerg ?! - -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMW+JuvMLpmkD/U+FAQEbzAP/V69eVS+E08fEz7e5d1DKy4BX0786BVYh F8B312ZdY504AgTneIDpzIFC3fwopSToXf96ifjET4nKbnMVClmcmwZUr5YOOvIz 9iUSirDX370hFDrvY2s3tkyHlR16g9pBTXEY2nRqJV9uujqK9dw1PeVe/xNMjvwY vP6XzHiQwUA= =u1GJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Apr 13 04:23:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA18000 for ports-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 04:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA17993 Sat, 13 Apr 1996 04:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id NAA11802; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:00:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA00896; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:48:03 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:48:01 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Klemm To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: joerg@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, asami@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: knews port incorrectly tries to use /usr/lib/sendmail In-Reply-To: <199604130906.CAA29340@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sat, 13 Apr 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Instead of /usr/sbin/sendmail. Just FYI. It makes `reply' fail. Hope you get my other mail from withing knews ...;-) I assume, you are missing patch-aa, which patches configure.h to use the correct sendmail. I checked out knews completely new and could make sure, that the ports source repository has all files it needs. The port I mean is knews version: # New ports collection makefile for: knews # Version required: 0.9.3 # Date created: Sat Nov 18 15:23:47 MET 1995 # Whom: Andreas Klemm # # DISTNAME= knews-0.9.3 PKGNAME= knews-0.9.3 BTW, I think I had send Satoshi many weeks ago a port update ... hmmmm.. Satoshiiiii ;-))) Andreas /// andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMW+GYvMLpmkD/U+FAQGNvAP/fUMXQHAk8+dOtuPoAbqsvo5hDgATfzSc kLw0lNwcXbaDVsXQE/DD3yZIQ71tg4010warbVBOQRa7TpOgTS7qU+giTU/o+/kV qoq8KXmoMiqF5K0cXGcmjSqe+1gf1kkR4UiLthTXhhoGZ4a+9/yN/NsDTCwyRShf DSuTV0jLs0M= =yH3K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Apr 13 04:38:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA18758 for ports-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 04:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jhome.DIALix.COM (root@jhome.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA18749 Sat, 13 Apr 1996 04:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.DIALix.oz.au (peter@localhost.DIALix.oz.au [127.0.0.1]) by jhome.DIALix.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA11339; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:37:23 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: <199604131137.TAA11339@jhome.DIALix.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: jhome.DIALix.COM: Host peter@localhost.DIALix.oz.au [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: soren@ambiguity.i-2.com, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, peter@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: bind-4.9.3 ported In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:53:18 +0200." <199604112253.AAA07076@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:37:23 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >As Soren Dayton wrote: > >> >(bind-4.9.3) >> > >> >> >What is it for? We do already have it in the mainstream sources? >> >> >> >> Do we? There is nothing that documents the version, so I was >> >> not willing to make assumptions. >> > >> >It's in the CVS log messages: >> >> Sorry. I did not make it clear. This is for -release > >2.1R has already a late beta of 4.9.3. Peter should perhaps upgrade >2.1-stable. Yes, it's one of the things on my todo list that went past -core that is sitting uncommitted in my -stable tree for burn-in testing under -stable on haywire. Cheers, -Peter From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Apr 13 04:41:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA18984 for ports-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 04:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA18979 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 04:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id NAA23129; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:41:44 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id NAA14899; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:41:43 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA19310; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:40:28 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604131140.NAA19310@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: knews port uploaded To: andreas@knobel.gun.de (Andreas Klemm) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:40:27 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, mike@binghamton.edu, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Andreas Klemm" at Apr 13, 96 01:02:17 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Andreas Klemm wrote: > > > knews-0.9.6.port.tgz has been placed in > > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/ > > > > But you're aware that knews is already in the ports? It's still at > > version 0.9.3 there, but i assume that's not a big deal. > > What's wrong with the new version, Joerg ?! Nothing, but the message sounded like it were a new *port*, not only a new *version*. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Apr 13 05:59:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA21271 for ports-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 05:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darkside.home (root@pm160.spectra.net [204.177.130.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA21266 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 05:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by darkside.home (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA09347 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 08:59:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: darkside.home: mike owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 08:58:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Peck X-Sender: mike@darkside.home To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: knews port uploaded In-Reply-To: <199604131140.NAA19310@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sat, 13 Apr 1996, J Wunsch wrote: > As Andreas Klemm wrote: > > > > > knews-0.9.6.port.tgz has been placed in > > > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/ > > > > > > But you're aware that knews is already in the ports? It's still at > > > version 0.9.3 there, but i assume that's not a big deal. > > > > What's wrong with the new version, Joerg ?! > > Nothing, but the message sounded like it were a new *port*, not only a > new *version*. Heh. I was real tired last night and I seriously didn't notice knews was already there. Feel free to use it if you want to, though. I'll look closer next time before uploading a port, it could have saved me some work. :) One question I have is that I set HAVE_XPM to 0 in configure.h through the patch-aa file.. Is there a better way to do this for people who have XPM installed (like me), that will still make the port usable for people without it? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMW+lFfA1OUkwAJXRAQFQaQQAsJHlrg0Ll+EwiOcoDETmYbFDZIVVorRa /bjFj2ZpIm6Zpt55/dU1lWNs0usWxcZUe5oid8jj+KH7SuAsEYS3ANqzghNZ12RB RMsg7mHrFbxaI+eCusAiFG1ArYHHYwj5cVWWHd8LsxFWiHAZx1az7apfla52RyT2 PNjNtyKe3zo= =XsYA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Apr 13 08:27:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA28240 for ports-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 08:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA28232 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 08:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id RAA27992; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 17:26:40 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id RAA17019; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 17:26:40 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA19910; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 16:44:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604131444.QAA19910@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: knews port uploaded To: mike@binghamton.edu (Mike Peck) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 16:44:30 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Mike Peck" at Apr 13, 96 08:58:59 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Mike Peck wrote: > Heh. I was real tired last night and I seriously didn't notice knews > was already there. Feel free to use it if you want to, though. I'll have a look. The existing one needs an upgrade... > One question I have is that I set HAVE_XPM to 0 in configure.h through the > patch-aa file.. Is there a better way to do this for people who have > XPM installed (like me), that will still make the port usable for > people without it? I wouldn't even bother. Too many of our existing X11 ports do aldready rely on Xpm, so why not make it the default? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Apr 13 09:38:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA01768 for ports-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 09:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01763 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 09:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skipper.eng.umd.edu (skipper.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.208]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26953; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by skipper.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04228; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:38:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@skipper.eng.umd.edu To: Satoshi Asami cc: nordquist@platinum.com, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Port of gdbm 1.7.3 to FreeBSD uploaded In-Reply-To: <199604121958.MAA19758@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Satoshi Asami wrote: > * You know, while I'm always glad to see the ports collection grow, this > * last one puzzles me. Since we have the entire Berkeley db code in our > * libc, and this gives (I think) all the functionality of gdbm, well, why > * would you need gdbm. I know -current recently imported db.1.85, so it's > * really up to date. Reading the postscript docs available at the dist > * site, it's even supposed to be technically superior in performance to gdbm. > > Well, are they compatible? I mean, if there is a program that's > written with gdbm in mind, and it won't compile/link/run with dbm > without modification, then I think gdbm will have a place on > somebody's machine (and thus the ports collection). > > If it's completely compatible, and dbm is better or at least not worse > in all aspects, then, well it's a different story. Every time I've had to port something, there's been an option of using gdbm or ndbm. I _think_ they're compatible, but I guess I better try that gdbm port, look at the interfaces, and see if they're compatible. I mean, it doesn't hurt anything to have both, I suppose, but I think this might have been started because someone didn't know that the man page for our libc-version of dbm/ndbm is hidden under the dbopen name. > > Satoshi > ========================================================================== Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu, I run FreeBSD-current on n3lxx + Journey2 Three Accounts for the Super-users in the sky, Seven for the Operators in their halls of fame, Nine for Ordinary Users doomed to crie, One for the Illegal Cracker with his evil game In the Domains of Internet where the data lie. One Account to rule them all, One Account to watch them, One Account to make them all and in the network bind them. From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Apr 13 09:42:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA02041 for ports-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 09:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02031 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 09:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id SAA07754 ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:42:24 +0200 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id SAA20690 ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:42:46 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.5/keltia-uucp-2.7) id OAA14513; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:11:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199604131211.OAA14513@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: How to avoid passive mode ftp? To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:11:35 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199604122214.AAA12696@uriah.heep.sax.de> from J Wunsch at "Apr 13, 96 00:14:16 am" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1872 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that J Wunsch said: > Sitting behind slow link, and not caring for icky firewalls, is there > any way to avoid ncftp's passive mode when building a port? It takes > a huge amount of time until the connection is initially established. #set passive no in ~/.netrc or ~/.ncftprc. But I think it is off by default: ncftp>set anon-open = yes anon-password = "roberto@keltia.freenix.fr" ansi-escapes = yes auto-binary = yes debug = 0 gateway-login = "ftp" gateway-host = "" local-dir = "/src/src/usr.bin/ncftp" logfile = "" logsize = 4096 mprompt = no netrc = "/users/staff/roberto/.netrc" passive = no pager = "less" prompt = "@B@c@Mncftp@P>" progress-reports = 2 recent-list = yes remote-is-unix = (not connected) restricted-data-ports= yes startup-msg = yes tips = yes type = (not connected) verbose = "Terse (1)" You can also turn it on/off with ``-P''. This is with ncftp 1.x of course. I don't really use ncftp2 yet. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #11: Tue Apr 9 20:14:48 MET DST 1996 From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Apr 13 10:21:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA04056 for ports-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04049 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id TAA00842; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:20:31 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA18802; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:20:31 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA20853; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:15:06 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604131715.TAA20853@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: How to avoid passive mode ftp? To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:15:06 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, ports@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199604131211.OAA14513@keltia.freenix.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Apr 13, 96 02:11:35 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Ollivier Robert wrote: > #set passive no > > in ~/.netrc or ~/.ncftprc. > > But I think it is off by default: Hmm, i watched it picking some port # 40001 or so, and starting a server process on my machine. That's why i thought it would do passive mode. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Apr 13 10:24:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA04252 for ports-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04245 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id TAA21972; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:00:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA05359; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:02:07 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:02:06 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Klemm To: Joerg Wunsch cc: mike@binghamton.edu, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: knews port uploaded In-Reply-To: <199604131140.NAA19310@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sat, 13 Apr 1996, J Wunsch wrote: > As Andreas Klemm wrote: > > > > > knews-0.9.6.port.tgz has been placed in > > > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/ > > > > > > But you're aware that knews is already in the ports? It's still at > > > version 0.9.3 there, but i assume that's not a big deal. > > > > What's wrong with the new version, Joerg ?! > > Nothing, but the message sounded like it were a new *port*, not only a > new *version*. Not only the message sounded like that ... Mike simply wiped us out of the Makefile, so as we'd had never ever done anything for the package in the past :-( Luckily I wasn't just working on an update for the port myself. Mike should have asked first, since he isn't the maintainer of the port. We don't need the term "MAINTAINER=", if everyone is hacking around in existing ports ;-)) Mike, don't get me wrong and don't take my criticism too serious. Everybody is happy, if the hard f****** work gets done and if we have a nice and up to date ports collection. But only the maintainer should maintain a port, because he is the maintainer. Sounds logically, or ?! ;-)) Andreas /// - -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMW/eDvMLpmkD/U+FAQGnRgP8C8LfcPw6uwrG82gI65OydsIzi5m/8yrD LHatzy915fvCf4rIifAyy8fUee6uLxDI0T72v3JIi5/CoCyaJPLLzdsTFpwHB5Ng 3f1gsb30pGbO9V3DAYB2nY9ZM8jBkrw+Of/IkPHxUowPfYPVCazVaSaHrcn5GN+O xDCWwFd9zoM= =JbXx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Apr 13 10:26:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA04414 for ports-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04397 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id TAA00916; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:26:06 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA18869; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:26:06 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA20938; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:23:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199604131723.TAA20938@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: knews port uploaded To: andreas@knobel.gun.de (Andreas Klemm) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:23:00 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, mike@binghamton.edu, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Andreas Klemm" at Apr 13, 96 07:02:06 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Andreas Klemm wrote: > > Nothing, but the message sounded like it were a new *port*, not only a > > new *version*. > > Not only the message sounded like that ... Mike simply wiped us > out of the Makefile, ... Nope, he simply didn't realize that there was already a knews port. He didn't purposely wipe us out of the Makefiles, he rewrote it from scratch... :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Apr 13 14:32:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA29460 for ports-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maui.com (root@waena.mrtc.maui.com [199.4.33.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA29453 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.dihelix.com [199.4.33.251]) by maui.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA16305; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 11:32:26 -1000 Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id LAA27776; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 11:32:12 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199604132132.LAA27776@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: knews port uploaded To: andreas@knobel.gun.de (Andreas Klemm) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 11:32:12 -1000 (HST) From: "David Langford" Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, mike@binghamton.edu, ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Andreas Klemm" at Apr 13, 96 07:02:06 pm From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> > > > knews-0.9.6.port.tgz has been placed in >> > > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/ >> > > >> > > But you're aware that knews is already in the ports? It's still at >> > > version 0.9.3 there, but i assume that's not a big deal. > >Everybody is happy, if the hard f****** work gets done and if we >have a nice and up to date ports collection. But only the maintainer >should maintain a port, because he is the maintainer. > >Sounds logically, or ?! ;-)) >andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH So you are saying that when a port is three (3) versions behind and users would like an up-to-date version that they should just twiddle their thumbs waiting for some MAINTANER to come out of the woodwork instead of jumping in and helping everyone involved? I thought that this was one of the reasons that an incoming directory exsited at all. In this case (none of this is meant as any sort of flame BTW) that maintainer of the package (IMHO) should take the code in the incoming directory, check it out and see that it meets the ports standards and that standards set in any previous port of the package and then send in that port to the ports maintainer (i.e. Satoshi, i believe). (then a thank you note to the new version porter for the hard work and the work that they save the port maintainer.) This makes it so the a "port maintainer" is the helping hand to the "ports maintainer" (whew) and not the "Hey that MY program, hands off") Sounds logical to me. (Again this is not meant as a flame to anyone or of anything said- examples used for discussion purposes. As one who has ever sent in a port I am in no position to flame :) -David Langford langfod@dihelix.com FreeBSD caliban 2.2-CURRENT FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT #0: Fri Apr 12 08:12:34 HST 1996 langfod@caliban:/usr/src/sys/compile/CALIBAN i386 From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Apr 13 14:42:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA29934 for ports-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29929 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id XAA00451; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 23:15:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06034; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 21:25:24 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 21:25:24 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Klemm To: Joerg Wunsch cc: mike@binghamton.edu, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: knews port uploaded In-Reply-To: <199604131723.TAA20938@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sat, 13 Apr 1996, J Wunsch wrote: > > Not only the message sounded like that ... Mike simply wiped us > > out of the Makefile, ... > > Nope, he simply didn't realize that there was already a knews port. > He didn't purposely wipe us out of the Makefiles, he rewrote it from > scratch... :-) hehehe ;-)) - -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMW//pPMLpmkD/U+FAQFOLwQAuV6o46E4eOiZJss4oVdPUWqHQG9Ee+WZ DAyfjsUH2QshpTsrTVfHBNYB+Gnx8p3VfOYPsP2pDbRuD4ju/np2ksJW5TIrRfqO fuVEfW/vBUvwsp74oPpe+GVH31ZPwwaNHOOiRwr+vbJnCwit1l1FuBWZIMQOHJF1 INisS9zkCNU= =1AcS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports Sat Apr 13 22:41:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-ports Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA27488 for ports-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 22:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27481 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 22:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id HAA14296 ; Sun, 14 Apr 1996 07:41:38 +0200 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id HAA22471 ; Sun, 14 Apr 1996 07:42:01 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.5/keltia-uucp-2.7) id AAA16028; Sun, 14 Apr 1996 00:51:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199604132251.AAA16028@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: How to avoid passive mode ftp? To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 00:51:31 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199604131715.TAA20853@uriah.heep.sax.de> from J Wunsch at "Apr 13, 96 07:15:06 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1872 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ports@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that J Wunsch said: > > But I think it is off by default: > > Hmm, i watched it picking some port # 40001 or so, and starting a > server process on my machine. That's why i thought it would do > passive mode. That's probably due to the following patch when we decided to use the 40000-45000 (now sysctl-controlled) range for FTP ports. pst 95/12/10 11:55:17 Modified: usr.bin/ncftp Makefile cmds.c cmds.h cmdtab.c defaults.h ftp.c main.c set.c Log: Add support for high-range FTP data ports There was mention in the CVS log of passive mode being the default but -CURRENT's ncftp seems not to be configured like this. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #11: Tue Apr 9 20:14:48 MET DST 1996