From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Aug 12 08:54:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA25578 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.csie.nctu.edu.tw (root@phoenix.csie.nctu.edu.tw [140.113.17.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25571 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw (freebsd.csie.nctu.edu.tw [140.113.235.250]) by phoenix.csie.nctu.edu.tw (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id XAA19430 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 23:54:50 +0800 (CST) Received: (from jdli@localhost) by FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA01068 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 23:53:19 +0800 (CST) From: Jian-Da Li Message-Id: <199608121553.XAA01068@FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw> Subject: MO Problem !! To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 23:53:19 +0800 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi : I got a 1.3GB MO (SHARP JY-802MP) recently, but I can't get it working under FreeBSD (2.2-960801-SNAP). I partitioned/formated one side (6xxMB) under win95 and use it fine. Then I boot into FreeBSD and type "fdisk od0", fdisk complains "can't read partition table", and the disk geometry seems wrong. The MSDOS partition disappear and a FreeBSD partition appears. :( ======= fdisk od0 ========= fdisk: Can't read fdisk partition table ******* Working on device /dev/rod0 ******* parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=335 heads=117 sectors/track=57 (6669 blks/cyl) parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=335 heads=117 sectors/track=57 (6669 blks/cyl) Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 0 is: The data for partition 1 is: The data for partition 2 is: The data for partition 3 is: sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 1, size 2234114 (1090 Meg), flag 80 beg: cyl 0/ sector 2/ head 0; end: cyl 335/ sector 1/ head 0 ======================== Here is the verbose boot message ======================== ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 11 on pci0:11 mapreg[10] type=1 addr=0000e000 size=0100. mapreg[14] type=0 addr=f3fff000 size=1000. ahc0: Reading SEEPROM...done. ahc0: aic7880 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs ahc0: Downloading Sequencer Program...Done ahc0: Probing channel A ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle ahc0: target 0 synchronous at 10.0MHz, offset = 0xf ahc0: target 0 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc0:0:0): "IBM DPES-31080 S80E" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 1034MB (2118144 512 byte sectors) sd0(ahc0:0:0): with 4903 cyls, 4 heads, and an average 108 sectors/track ahc0: target 1 synchronous at 10.0MHz, offset = 0xf ahc0: target 1 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc0:1:0): "IBM OEM DFHSS2F 4141" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1(ahc0:1:0): Direct-Access 2150MB (4404489 512 byte sectors) sd1(ahc0:1:0): with 4390 cyls, 8 heads, and an average 125 sectors/track ahc0: target 5 synchronous at 5.0MHz, offset = 0x8 (ahc0:5:0): "SHARP JY800 MODC 0.42" type 7 removable SCSI 2 od0(ahc0:5:0): Optical 622MB (637041 1024 byte sectors) od0(ahc0:5:0): with approximate 311 cyls, 64 heads, and 32 sectors/track ahc0: target 6 synchronous at 5.0MHz, offset = 0xf (ahc0:6:0): "MATSHITA CD-ROM CR-504 ST23" type 5 removable SCSI 2 cd0(ahc0:6:0): CD-ROM cd present [206900 x 2048 byte records] ================================= While I type "fdisk od0", the console print : ================================= od0s1: type 0x20, start 1919950958, end = 2464388050, size 544437093 od0s1: C/H/S start 356/97/46 (2379738) != start 1919950958: invalid od0s1: C/H/S end 357/116/40 (2387484) != end 2464388050: invalid od0s2: type 0x6b, start 1330184202, end = 1869160489, size 538976288 od0s2: C/H/S start 288/110/57 (1926998) != start 1330184202: invalid od0s2: C/H/S end 269/101/57 (1799774) != end 1869160489: invalid od0s3: type 0x53, start 538989391, end = 1937352302, size 1398362912 od0s3: C/H/S start 345/32/19 (2302647) != start 538989391: invalid od0s3: C/H/S end 324/77/19 (2165163) != end 1937352302: invalid od0s4: type 0x49, start 1394627663, end = 1394648999, size 21337 od0s4: C/H/S start 87/1/0 (580259) != start 1394627663: invalid od0s4: C/H/S end 335/78/2 (2238562) != end 1394648999: invalid od0: oops not queued ====================================== While I insert an EMPTY (unused) disk, and type "fdisk od0", it complains "device od0 not configured", and console print: ====================================== od0(ahc0:5:0): MEDIUM ERROR asc:9,2 Focus servo failure , retries:2 od0(ahc0:5:0): MEDIUM ERROR asc:9,2 Focus servo failure , retries:1 od0(ahc0:5:0): MEDIUM ERROR asc:9,2 Focus servo failure , FAILURE od0(ahc0:5:0): MEDIUM ERROR asc:9,2 Focus servo failure , retries:2 od0(ahc0:5:0): MEDIUM ERROR asc:9,2 Focus servo failure , retries:1 od0(ahc0:5:0): MEDIUM ERROR asc:9,2 Focus servo failure , FAILURE ====================================== Thanks for your help ..... -- 李 建 達 (Jian-Da Li) 交 大 資 工 E-Mail : http://www.csie.nctu.edu.tw/~jdli From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Aug 12 11:53:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA05870 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 11:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05857 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 11:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id UAA03557; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:51:12 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id UAA21064; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:51:11 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA05445; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:50:29 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199608121850.UAA05445@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: MO Problem !! To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:50:28 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jdli@FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw (Jian-Da Li) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199608121553.XAA01068@FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw> from Jian-Da Li at "Aug 12, 96 11:53:19 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jian-Da Li wrote: > I partitioned/formated one side (6xxMB) under win95 and use it fine. > Then I boot into FreeBSD and type "fdisk od0", fdisk complains > "can't read partition table", and the disk geometry seems wrong. > The MSDOS partition disappear and a FreeBSD partition appears. :( > (ahc0:5:0): "SHARP JY800 MODC 0.42" type 7 removable SCSI 2 > od0(ahc0:5:0): Optical 622MB (637041 1024 byte sectors) > od0(ahc0:5:0): with approximate 311 cyls, 64 heads, and 32 sectors/track 1024-byte sectored media are not yet really supported. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Aug 12 12:12:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07301 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (root@grumble.grondar.za [196.7.18.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07262; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grumble.grondar.za (mark@localhost.grondar.za [127.0.0.1]) by grumble.grondar.za (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA10070; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:12:18 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199608121912.VAA10070@grumble.grondar.za> To: hackers@freebsd.org, scsi@freebsd.org Subject: 2 AHA1542's in one box Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:12:17 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Does anyone have any experience in putting 2 AHA1542 cards into one box? I tried this and have had no luck. Here is the saga: The first card is set to factory default and is an AHA1542C. The second has been moved to Port 0x240 DRQ 6 IRQ 9 and is an AHA1542B. After lots of fun-and-games while I actually got the card's strapping right :-), I can get the 1542C ^A-BIOS to do a diagnostic run on both cards and to probe for devices on both cards. Now - the first card works just fine. The second probes OK during FreeBSD boot, but hangs solid during the "waiting for SCSI devices to settle" pause. I have checked _everything_. The terminators are OK, the card works (strapped to factory default) in another machine, There are no DRQ/PORT/IRQ conflicts. The motherboard is a Megabyte G486 with an i486DX/50 and 16MB of RAM. Any clues? M -- Mark Murray 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Aug 12 12:33:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA09179 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09165 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id OAA08923; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:27:51 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608121927.OAA08923@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: 2 AHA1542's in one box To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:27:51 -0500 (CDT) Cc: scsi@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608121912.VAA10070@grumble.grondar.za> from "Mark Murray" at Aug 12, 96 09:12:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi > > Does anyone have any experience in putting 2 AHA1542 cards into one > box? > > I tried this and have had no luck. Here is the saga: > > The first card is set to factory default and is an AHA1542C. The > second has been moved to Port 0x240 DRQ 6 IRQ 9 and is an AHA1542B. > After lots of fun-and-games while I actually got the card's strapping > right :-), I can get the 1542C ^A-BIOS to do a diagnostic run on both > cards and to probe for devices on both cards. > > Now - the first card works just fine. The second probes OK during > FreeBSD boot, but hangs solid during the "waiting for SCSI devices > to settle" pause. I have checked _everything_. The terminators are > OK, the card works (strapped to factory default) in another machine, > There are no DRQ/PORT/IRQ conflicts. > > The motherboard is a Megabyte G486 with an i486DX/50 and 16MB of RAM. Other than to say that I did this once, and had it running under 2.0.5R with no apparent problems, I can offer no real assistance other than to reassure you that a 1542B and 1542C can happily coexist in the same box. Never thought to try to access the 1542B's bus with the 1542C's BIOS though. 486DX/33, 32MB RAM, AHA-1542B, AHA-1542C, lots of disks, R.I.P. ISA-bus-based news servers (got too big) :-/ Worked well for a long time. ... JG From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Aug 12 12:33:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA09279 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA09077; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA11848; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 22:35:34 +0300 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 22:35:34 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: Mark Murray cc: hackers@freebsd.org, scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 AHA1542's in one box In-Reply-To: <199608121912.VAA10070@grumble.grondar.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Mark Murray wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone have any experience in putting 2 AHA1542 cards into one > box? > > I tried this and have had no luck. Here is the saga: > > The first card is set to factory default and is an AHA1542C. The > second has been moved to Port 0x240 DRQ 6 IRQ 9 and is an AHA1542B. > After lots of fun-and-games while I actually got the card's strapping > right :-), I can get the 1542C ^A-BIOS to do a diagnostic run on both > cards and to probe for devices on both cards. > > Now - the first card works just fine. The second probes OK during > FreeBSD boot, but hangs solid during the "waiting for SCSI devices > to settle" pause. I have checked _everything_. The terminators are > OK, the card works (strapped to factory default) in another machine, > There are no DRQ/PORT/IRQ conflicts. > > The motherboard is a Megabyte G486 with an i486DX/50 and 16MB of RAM. > > Any clues? Hmm.... I'm not an expert with the Adaptec cards or with the PC bus designs, but wasn't it so that there could be only one bus master on the ISA bus? Sander > > M > -- > Mark Murray > 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa > +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 > Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key > From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Aug 12 13:22:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15355 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15346; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA05590; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma005588; Mon Aug 12 13:17:28 1996 Message-ID: <320F912C.167EB0E7@whistle.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:16:44 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Murray CC: hackers@freebsd.org, scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 AHA1542's in one box References: <199608121912.VAA10070@grumble.grondar.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mark Murray wrote: > > Hi > > Does anyone have any experience in putting 2 AHA1542 cards into one > box? > > I tried this and have had no luck. Here is the saga: I've done this occasionally.. it always seemed to work.. sorry that's not much help but at least you should know that it is SUPPOSED to work.. julian From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Aug 12 13:36:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA17318 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17253; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id PAA12792; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:30:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 12 Aug 96 15:30 CDT Received: (from karl@localhost) by Jupiter.mcs.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id PAA13465; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:30:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Karl Denninger Message-Id: <199608122030.PAA13465@Jupiter.mcs.net> Subject: Re: 2 AHA1542's in one box To: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:30:07 -0500 (CDT) Cc: mark@grondar.za, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <320F912C.167EB0E7@whistle.com> from "Julian Elischer" at Aug 12, 96 01:16:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Mark Murray wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > Does anyone have any experience in putting 2 AHA1542 cards into one > > box? > > > > I tried this and have had no luck. Here is the saga: > > I've done this occasionally.. > it always seemed to work.. > > sorry that's not much help but at least you should know that > it is SUPPOSED to work.. > > julian I have made this successfully work on both BSDI and SVR4 (!) I've never tried it on FreeBSD, but given the SCSI architecture I can't see why it wouldn't work. However, the ISA interrupts and such have to be correct (and declared correctly in the config). I *do* know that two PCI adapters work properly, as do two EISA adapters; I've done both of those (our news system uses two PCI adapters now). -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity http://www.mcs.net/~karl | T1 from $600 monthly; speeds to DS-3 available | 23 Chicagoland Prefixes, 13 ISDN, much more Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1] | Email to "info@mcs.net" WWW: http://www.mcs.net/ Fax: [+1 312 248-9865] | Home of Chicago's only FULL Clarinet feed! From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Aug 12 14:08:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA21542 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21527; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA26100; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:00:50 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199608122100.OAA26100@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: 2 AHA1542's in one box To: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee (Narvi) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:00:50 -0700 (MST) Cc: mark@grondar.za, hackers@freebsd.org, scsi@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Narvi" at Aug 12, 96 10:35:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hmm.... I'm not an expert with the Adaptec cards or with the PC bus > designs, but wasn't it so that there could be only one bus master on the > ISA bus? You are thinking VESA, I think. It should work fine. He will probably have to lower "bus on" time in both cards, since they both will steal DRAM refresh cycles during DMA. He will also need to make sure that they don't share any settings, and that his non-default setting on one card do not conflict with the other. Finally, he will have to disable the BIOS on one card -- probably the B. The ^A stuff might screw the B card badly... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Aug 12 14:14:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA22297 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (root@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net [206.169.44.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22260; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA03983; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:06:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199608122106.OAA03983@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Subject: Re: 2 AHA1542's in one box To: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee (Narvi) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Narvi at "Aug 12, 96 10:35:34 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Mark Murray wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Does anyone have any experience in putting 2 AHA1542 cards into one > > box? > > > > I tried this and have had no luck. Here is the saga: > > > > The first card is set to factory default and is an AHA1542C. The > > second has been moved to Port 0x240 DRQ 6 IRQ 9 and is an AHA1542B. > > After lots of fun-and-games while I actually got the card's strapping > > right :-), I can get the 1542C ^A-BIOS to do a diagnostic run on both > > cards and to probe for devices on both cards. > > > > Now - the first card works just fine. The second probes OK during > > FreeBSD boot, but hangs solid during the "waiting for SCSI devices > > to settle" pause. I have checked _everything_. The terminators are > > OK, the card works (strapped to factory default) in another machine, > > There are no DRQ/PORT/IRQ conflicts. > > > > The motherboard is a Megabyte G486 with an i486DX/50 and 16MB of RAM. > > > > Any clues? > > Hmm.... I'm not an expert with the Adaptec cards or with the PC bus > designs, but wasn't it so that there could be only one bus master on the > ISA bus? > > Sander > > > > > M > > -- > > Mark Murray > > 46 Harvey Rd, Claremont, Cape Town 7700, South Africa > > +27 21 61-3768 GMT+0200 > > Finger mark@grondar.za for PGP key > > > And another idiotic tale survived. No, it is not true. You can have more then 1 busmaster. To be exact if you have a CPU, a DMA chip and an Adaptec 1542, you already have 3 bus master ;-) Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 Lamb Art Internet Services || http://www.Lamb.net/ From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Aug 12 14:27:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA23348 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA23327; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA12348; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 00:33:15 +0300 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 00:33:14 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: Ulf Zimmermann cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 AHA1542's in one box In-Reply-To: <199608122106.OAA03983@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > > And another idiotic tale survived. No, it is not true. You can have more then 1 > busmaster. To be exact if you have a CPU, a DMA chip and an Adaptec 1542, you > already have 3 bus master ;-) > > Ulf. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 > Lamb Art Internet Services || http://www.Lamb.net/ > OK, OK, MERCY!!! I've been up for much too long... (it's the 13th around here...) - as Terry pointed out, the case for only one bus-master is another. I should look more closely my answeres from time to time... Anyways, I've lived with 3 busmaster cards in a computer (two of them VESA, one PCI) and on another I have not been able to actually get otherwise nonconflicting ISA cards to work. I hope I will be forgiven and the urban legend won't prosper. Sander From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Aug 12 23:00:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA22854 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 23:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (daemon@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22849 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 23:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00921 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:59:44 +1000 Received: from orion.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id PAA07648 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:18:03 +1000 Received: by orion.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-0.3) id PAA05225 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:20:16 +1000 From: Phil Chadwick Message-Id: <199608130520.PAA05225@orion.devetir.qld.gov.au> Subject: Buslogic BT-958 Support? To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 15:20:15 EST Organization: Department of Training and Industrial Relations X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL17] Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have looked in the FAQ and on the web, but can't find the answer.... Would you please advise: 1. Is the Buslogic BT-958 supported under FreeBSD; and 2. Is it better choice than the Adaptec 2940UW? Thanks. Phil -- Phil Chadwick Email: syspmc@devetir.qld.gov.au ,-_|\ Supervisor, UNIX Support Phone: +61 7 3247 9239 / * Department of Training Fax: +61 7 3247 9111 \_,-._/ and Industrial Relations v From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue Aug 13 05:56:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA11982 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 05:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whyy.org (root@internal-gw.whyy.org [199.234.236.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA11977 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 05:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tvmaster1.whyy.org (tvmaster1.whyy.org [199.234.236.48]) by whyy.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA25501; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 08:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960813130045.0dcfeeec@199.234.236.254> X-Sender: jehrenkrantz@199.234.236.254 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:00:45 -0400 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) From: Jeffrey Ehrenkrantz Subject: Re: MO Problem !! Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 08:50 PM 8/12/96 +0200, you wrote: >As Jian-Da Li wrote: > >> I partitioned/formated one side (6xxMB) under win95 and use it fine. >> Then I boot into FreeBSD and type "fdisk od0", fdisk complains >> "can't read partition table", and the disk geometry seems wrong. >> The MSDOS partition disappear and a FreeBSD partition appears. :( >1024-byte sectored media are not yet really supported. arggggggggggh! i just finished ftping 2.15 allday onto my recently aquired tahiti ala msdos 1024-b sec. J"org, is 1024 in the works? who's the keeper of the current development? tnx. ..je > >-- >cheers, J"org > > From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue Aug 13 11:52:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03407 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA03400 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id UAA20177; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:50:48 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id UAA13036; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:50:48 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA04510; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:25:29 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199608131825.UAA04510@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: MO Problem !! To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:25:28 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jehren@jehrenkrantz.whyy.org (Jeffrey Ehrenkrantz) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19960813130045.0dcfeeec@199.234.236.254> from Jeffrey Ehrenkrantz at "Aug 13, 96 09:00:45 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jeffrey Ehrenkrantz wrote: > >1024-byte sectored media are not yet really supported. > > arggggggggggh! i just finished ftping 2.15 allday onto my recently aquired > tahiti ala msdos 1024-b sec. > > J"org, is 1024 in the works? It's not as much a problem of the device driver, you should be able to read and write raw data through the `od' driver. It's rather a matter of the file system code, and i don't see an easy solution. > who's the keeper of the current development? You? :) However, as far as i know you should be able to get 512-byte sectored media for the drives as well. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Aug 14 06:14:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA28459 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axp5.physik.fu-berlin.de (axp5.fddi5B.fu-berlin.de [160.45.5.75]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA28454 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mordillo (graichen.dialup.fu-berlin.de [160.45.217.183]) by axp5.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA29867; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:14:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from graichen@localhost) by mordillo (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA01008; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:12:34 +0200 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <199608141312.PAA01008@mordillo> Subject: need some scsi help ... To: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:12:33 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hello i'm currently looking for a (if possible cheap) pci scsi controller and have some question about that topic: * the best choice for price/performance seems to be an ncr controller (for instance tzhe asus sc200 - but the question is - so i need the ncr/symbios/sdms bios for it to work (i don't want to boot from that controller) ? - i checked the bios in the board using cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i ncr | more cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i sym | more and did'nt find anything which looked like the ncr bios (i found for instance all the strings of the award bios in there) - can please someone with the ncr bios in his mainboard bios if it is possible to find some ncr strings from the ncr bios in it using this method ? - i ask for the need of the ncr bios for the operation of the ncr driver because i read something in the linux scsi howto about the ncr bios being required for opreation because the ncr bios sets some registers which are required for the driver - and i think the linux ncr driver is the FreeBSD driver ported to linux - so this should also apply to FreeBSD * so thus the next question: if a non bios ncr controller won't work (and i can't find an ncr controller with bios here in berlin (maybe someone has an idea where to get such a thing here ...) - what else controller should i use ? possible choices so far are the adaptec 2940 (a lot more expensive - but may be ok - if the cheaper version of it - without any software or docs - is enougth - the adaptec 2920 is a bit cheaper but is it supported ? - is seems to be equivalent to the last future domain controller (which seems to have been bought by adaptec ...) - will this one work ? * what other controllers are recommended ? * if i choose the adaptec 2940 - how good/stable is the driver in FreeBSD ? * does someone in the area of berlin/germany a good place to bye - for instance an ncr controller with bios ? a lot of thanks in advance t -- thomas graichen graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de graichen@FreeBSD.org perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away antoine de saint-exupery From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Aug 14 08:59:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA10349 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA10344; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608141559.IAA10344@freefall.freebsd.org> To: Thomas Graichen cc: se@ZPR.Uni-Koeln.DE, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: need some scsi help ... In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:12:33 +0200." <199608141312.PAA01008@mordillo> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:59:13 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm sure Stefan will answer your NCR questions... >* so thus the next question: if a non bios ncr controller won't work (and i >can't find an ncr controller with bios here in berlin (maybe someone has an >idea where to get such a thing here ...) - what else controller should i use ? >possible choices so far are the adaptec 2940 (a lot more expensive - but may >be ok - if the cheaper version of it - without any software or docs - is >enougth - the adaptec 2920 is a bit cheaper but is it supported ? - is seems >to be equivalent to the last future domain controller (which seems to have >been bought by adaptec ...) - will this one work ? You can buy the 2940 just by itself so long as you don't need the drivers from the full pack for some other OS. The 2920 is not currently supported. >* what other controllers are recommended ? > >* if i choose the adaptec 2940 - how good/stable is the driver in FreeBSD? So long as you are using the latest driver, it is very stable. >-- > thomas graichen graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de graichen@FreeBSD.org > > perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when > there is no longer anything to take away antoine de saint-exupery -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Aug 14 09:48:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA13155 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lassie.eunet.fi (lassie.eunet.fi [192.26.119.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13150 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from key.hole.fi by lassie.eunet.fi with SMTP id AA10963 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:47:58 +0300 Received: (from count@localhost) by key.hole.fi (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA00507 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:47:57 +0300 (EET DST) From: "Bror 'Count' Heinola" Message-Id: <199608141647.TAA00507@key.hole.fi> Subject: Pioneer CD changer problem To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:47:57 +0300 (EET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just plugged my old Pioneer DRM-610 6-disc changer to my FreeBSD system (-stable just a few days before 2.1.5-release) and I've got problems in making it work. Here's dmesg output: FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE #2: Thu Jul 11 18:26:28 EET DST 1996 root@key.hole.fi:/usr/src/sys/compile/KEY CPU: 100-MHz Pentium 815\\100 (Pentium-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping=5 Features=0x1bf real memory = 58720256 (57344K bytes) avail memory = 56094720 (54780K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0 rev 64 on pci0:0 chip1 rev 1 on pci0:1:0 pci0:8: CMD, device=0x0640, class=storage (ide) int a irq 14 [no driver assig ned] vga0 rev 0 int a irq ?? on pci0:9 ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 9 on pci0:11 ahc0: aic7870 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs (ahc0:0:0): "SGI IBMDSAS-3540 S47K" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 522MB (1070496 512 byte sectors) sd0(ahc0:0:0): with 3875 cyls, 3 heads, and an average 92 sectors/track (ahc0:1:0): "QUANTUM P40S 940-40-94xx A.2" type 0 fixed SCSI 1 sd1(ahc0:1:0): Direct-Access 40MB (82029 512 byte sectors) sd1(ahc0:1:0): with 834 cyls, 3 heads, and an average 32 sectors/track (ahc0:6:0): "PIONEER CD-ROM DRM-600 0801" type 5 removable SCSI 1 cd0(ahc0:6:0): CD-ROM cd0(ahc0:6:0): NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present can't get the size (ahc0:6:1): "PIONEER CD-ROM DRM-600 0801" type 5 removable SCSI 1 cd1(ahc0:6:1): CD-ROM cd1(ahc0:6:1): NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present can't get the size (ahc0:6:2): "PIONEER CD-ROM DRM-600 0801" type 5 removable SCSI 1 cd2(ahc0:6:2): CD-ROM cd2(ahc0:6:2): NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present can't get the size (ahc0:6:3): "PIONEER CD-ROM DRM-600 0801" type 5 removable SCSI 1 cd3(ahc0:6:3): CD-ROM cd3(ahc0:6:3): NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present can't get the size (ahc0:6:4): "PIONEER CD-ROM DRM-600 0801" type 5 removable SCSI 1 cd4(ahc0:6:4): CD-ROM cd4(ahc0:6:4): NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present can't get the size (ahc0:6:5): "PIONEER CD-ROM DRM-600 0801" type 5 removable SCSI 1 cd5(ahc0:6:5): CD-ROM cd5(ahc0:6:5): NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present can't get the size (ahc0:6:6): "PIONEER CD-ROM DRM-600 0801" type 5 removable SCSI 1 cd6(ahc0:6:6): CD-ROM cd6(ahc0:6:6): NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present can't get the size (ahc0:6:7): "PIONEER CD-ROM DRM-600 0801" type 5 removable SCSI 1 cd7(ahc0:6:7): CD-ROM cd7(ahc0:6:7): NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present can't get the size Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> psm0 at 0x60-0x63 irq 12 on motherboard lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A wdc0 not found at 0x1f0 wdc1 not found at 0x170 fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in fe0 at 0x300-0x31f irq 15 on isa fe0: address 00:00:f4:d4:02:6f, type AT1700/RE2000 npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface (Shouldn't it report only cd0 to cd5? It is a 6 cd changer afterall...) On boot time I had discs in 1 and 2, both CD-ROMs. When I try to mount them, mount returns: root@key /root 507: mount /dev/cd0a /mnt /dev/cd0a on /mnt: Device not configured (Yes, I did make all the cd entries in /dev) When I try to use cdplay to play an audio CD with cdplay: root@key /root 510: cdplay cd2 CD>? open: No cd in No such command, enter 'help' for commands list CD> However, when it's executing that '?', it DOES take the disc in but after a while it just spits it back out, giving that error message. It may be that the hardware is broken, but I doubt it, because it worked on a MAC earlier. Here's also my current kernel config. machine "i386" cpu "I586_CPU" ident KEY maxusers 10 config kernel root on sd0 swap on sd0 options "COMPAT_43" options XSERVER options UCONSOLE options INET #Internet communications protocols options "TCP_COMPAT_42" #emulate 4.2BSD TCP bugs options FFS #Fast filesystem options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "CD9660" options "NMBCLUSTERS=1024" options "BROKEN_KEYBOARD_RESET" options "AUTO_EOI_1" options "AUTO_EOI_2" options DUMMY_NOPS options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor options HARDFONTS #options ATAPI options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG options LINUX options COMPAT_LINUX options SCSI_REPORT_GEOMETRY #options AHC_TAGENABLE options PROBE_VERBOSE controller isa0 controller pci0 controller ahc0 controller scbus0 device sd0 device st0 device cd0 device ch0 device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr device psm0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmint r device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr #device ep0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 vect or epintr device fe0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq ? vector feintr device lpt0 at isa? port? tty irq 7 vector lptintr device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 flags 0x80ff80ff vector wdintr disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 vector wdintr #disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 #disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 #device wcd0 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 pseudo-device pty 64 #Pseudo ttys - can go as high as 64 pseudo-device log #Kernel syslog interface (/dev/klog) pseudo-device ether #Generic Ethernet pseudo-device loop #Network loopback device pseudo-device bpfilter 4 -- Bror 'Count' Heinola % count@key.hole.fi % http://pobox.com/~count/ Pengerkatu 13b A5 % IRC: Count NIC: BH271 % FI-00530 HELSINKI % Work: bror@sms.fi % Roads? Where we're going, Cell: +358-40-5533-554 % Santa Monica Software % we don't need roads. From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Aug 14 10:48:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA17138 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17132 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr3-4.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by FileServ1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA19095 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:47:55 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA00625; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:34:00 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:34:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199608141734.TAA00625@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> From: Stefan Esser To: Thomas Graichen Cc: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: need some scsi help ... In-Reply-To: <199608141312.PAA01008@mordillo> References: <199608141312.PAA01008@mordillo> Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thomas Graichen writes: > hello > > i'm currently looking for a (if possible cheap) pci scsi controller and have > some question about that topic: > > * the best choice for price/performance seems to be an ncr controller (for > instance tzhe asus sc200 - but the question is - so i need the > ncr/symbios/sdms bios for it to work (i don't want to boot from that > controller) ? - i checked the bios in the board using > > cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i ncr | more > cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i sym | more No, that's not the canonic way to find out whether there is SDMS support on a system. In POST, there should be a line containing the word "SDMS" and a version number. But I'm not sure whether this line gets printed, even if no NCR controller is available in the system ... > and did'nt find anything which looked like the ncr bios (i found for instance > all the strings of the award bios in there) - can please someone with the ncr > bios in his mainboard bios if it is possible to find some ncr strings from the > ncr bios in it using this method ? - i ask for the need of the ncr bios for > the operation of the ncr driver because i read something in the linux scsi > howto about the ncr bios being required for opreation because the ncr bios > sets some registers which are required for the driver - and i think the linux > ncr driver is the FreeBSD driver ported to linux - so this should also apply > to FreeBSD No, Drew Eckhard started writing a NCR driver first. But when we found, that he used lots of "shortcuts" (for example he threw away most SCSI messages, since he was sure he didn't need to bother :-), it was very obvious that his driver wouldn't meet our expectations. Drew needed nearly two years to get DISCONNECT into his driver (and one of the reasons it took him so long is the fact that he ignored the SAVE POINTER message), and for that reason somebody ported the BSD driver to Linux, a few months ago. Anyway: The NCR driver is required to initialize ALL the registers without any help from the BIOS. If you find, that it does not work, then I'll make the necessary changes immediately. If you don't want to boot from this controller, then there should be no need for a SDMS BIOS! > * so thus the next question: if a non bios ncr controller won't work (and i > can't find an ncr controller with bios here in berlin (maybe someone has an > idea where to get such a thing here ...) - what else controller should i use ? NCR controllers are sold under the brands of: 1) NCR (still ...) 2) Symbios 3) ASUS 4) Tekram 5) Tyan and many more. It is not always easy to find out which one a local computer shop offers. Just make sure that the card comes with active termination (all cards from the manufacturers in the list above do). > possible choices so far are the adaptec 2940 (a lot more expensive - but may > be ok - if the cheaper version of it - without any software or docs - is > enougth - the adaptec 2920 is a bit cheaper but is it supported ? - is seems > to be equivalent to the last future domain controller (which seems to have > been bought by adaptec ...) - will this one work ? The Adaptec 2920 is NOT a bus-master, and thus is a bad choice for a multi-tasking OS. > * what other controllers are recommended ? > > * if i choose the adaptec 2940 - how good/stable is the driver in FreeBSD ? Justin put a lot of effort in making them the best supported cards in FreeBSD. > * does someone in the area of berlin/germany a good place to bye - for > instance an ncr controller with bios ? You don't need a BIOS. If it doesn't work with the current driver, then I'll send you a trivial patch to make it work. You can get NCR cards from lots of mail order companies (see c't magazine). You may try (in order of high to low page numbers in the advertizements section ;-) 1) Delektron (NCR8100S 149,-- / NCR8150S 219,-- (with BIOS) 2) HW Elektronik (ASUS SC-200 117,--) 3) Computer Profis (ASUS SC-200 135,--) 4) Comptronic (ASUS SC-200 125,-- / NCR8100S 125,--) 5) Multigraph (NCR8100S 139,-- / NCR8150S 188,--) (All prices in DM incl. 15% VAT !) BTW: There is also an offer of an Adaptec 2940 for 209,-- DM from "Computer Versand Boch" in the Sep 96 issue of c't ... Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Aug 15 00:10:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA15499 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA15458; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA19388; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:09:55 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608150709.AAA19388@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: scsi-diffs.960808.gz uploaded To: gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Cc: scsi@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608080844.BAA22561@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at "Aug 8, 96 01:44:07 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I found the bug that was causing the hangs I was seeing on my system. Yea... I just saw it too, guess I had better go grab the new patches and get them applied... -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Aug 15 00:21:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA16749 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA16736; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608150721.AAA16736@freefall.freebsd.org> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: scsi@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: scsi-diffs.960808.gz uploaded In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:09:55 PDT." <199608150709.AAA19388@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:21:19 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> I found the bug that was causing the hangs I was seeing on my system. > >Yea... I just saw it too, guess I had better go grab the new patches >and get them applied... > I have another set coming out in a few minutes, so you might want to hold off for a little bit. This one fixes a problem with mutli-target concurrent I/O that I found as soon as I threw a second disk on this machine. >-- >Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com >Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Aug 15 00:59:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA20504 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA20499 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608150759.AAA20499@freefall.freebsd.org> To: scsi Subject: scsi-diffs.960815.gz uploaded Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:59:10 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've uploaded yet another version of my changes to the SCSI system. This set fixes a bug that could cause the queue to not drain if there were multiple active targets, cleans up the way SCSI_POLL and SCSI_NOSLEEP are handled (they are set only during auto-configuration and dumping and the individual type drivers never explicitly use these flags now), implements timeout driven "resubmission" of transactions in the XS_BUSY case, and also cleans up the scsi_queue code a bit so that struct scsi_queue is entirely opaque outside of scsi_queue.c. I'm probably going to make a general anouncement about these patches on -current tomorrow to try and accelerate the test process. I'd like to see these go into the tree sometime, but I don't want to spam anyone. So far, I know that the last set of patches has been tested on a 2940 and a 1542. Has anyone tested on any other hardware yet? Thanks, -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Aug 15 13:52:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA20146 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20128 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA04095; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:50:56 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA06659; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:50:32 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA01875; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:44:38 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199608151944.VAA01875@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Pioneer CD changer problem To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:44:38 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: count@key.hole.fi (Bror 'Count' Heinola) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199608141647.TAA00507@key.hole.fi> from Bror 'Count' Heinola at "Aug 14, 96 07:47:57 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Bror 'Count' Heinola wrote: > (ahc0:6:0): "PIONEER CD-ROM DRM-600 0801" type 5 removable SCSI 1 > cd0(ahc0:6:0): CD-ROM > cd0(ahc0:6:0): NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present > can't get the size ... > (ahc0:6:7): "PIONEER CD-ROM DRM-600 0801" type 5 removable SCSI 1 > cd7(ahc0:6:7): CD-ROM > cd7(ahc0:6:7): NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present > can't get the size > (Shouldn't it report only cd0 to cd5? It is a 6 cd changer > afterall...) I believe this means it has a broken LUN handling. Weird for a changer device which is supposed to operate using different LUNs. > root@key /root 507: mount /dev/cd0a /mnt > /dev/cd0a on /mnt: Device not configured > > (Yes, I did make all the cd entries in /dev) Can you here it swapping the disk in by the same time? Does it continue to fail even after a few attempts? The timeouts in the existing driver are way too short to properly handle CD changers. I've got a Nakamichi on loan to test and fix this, but defered all my CD-ROM work until Justin's changes are in the tree to avoid massively diverging drivers. The current way of timeout handling sucks rocks, all timeouts are wild guesses, and there's no way to centrally maintain them. Each and every call to scsi_scsi_cmd() specifies its own idea of what timeout might be appropriate. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Aug 15 13:59:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA21188 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lassie.eunet.fi (lassie.eunet.fi [192.26.119.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA21175 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 13:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from key.hole.fi by lassie.eunet.fi with SMTP id AA06485 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:59:12 +0300 Received: (from count@localhost) by key.hole.fi (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA00463; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:59:11 +0300 (EET DST) From: "Bror 'Count' Heinola" Message-Id: <199608152059.XAA00463@key.hole.fi> Subject: Re: Pioneer CD changer problem To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:59:11 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608151944.VAA01875@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Aug 15, 96 09:44:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch taisi sanoa: > > Can you here it swapping the disk in by the same time? Does it > continue to fail even after a few attempts? Yes, and yes. > The timeouts in the existing driver are way too short to properly > handle CD changers. I've got a Nakamichi on loan to test and fix > this, but defered all my CD-ROM work until Justin's changes are in the > tree to avoid massively diverging drivers. The current way of timeout > handling sucks rocks, all timeouts are wild guesses, and there's no > way to centrally maintain them. Each and every call to > scsi_scsi_cmd() specifies its own idea of what timeout might be > appropriate. Ah... Well, if it will help anything, I can also loan this beast out to someone who can use it to do something useful development work. Anyways, any pointers to the code where I might go and change the current timeout values? -- Bror 'Count' Heinola % count@key.hole.fi % http://pobox.com/~count/ Pengerkatu 13b A5 % IRC: Count NIC: BH271 % FI-00530 HELSINKI % Work: bror@sms.fi % Roads? Where we're going, Cell: +358-40-5533-554 % Santa Monica Software % we don't need roads. From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Aug 15 14:12:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA23189 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23181; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608152112.OAA23181@freefall.freebsd.org> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, count@key.hole.fi (Bror 'Count' Heinola) Subject: Re: Pioneer CD changer problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:44:38 +0200." <199608151944.VAA01875@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:12:33 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >The timeouts in the existing driver are way too short to properly >handle CD changers. I've got a Nakamichi on loan to test and fix >this, but defered all my CD-ROM work until Justin's changes are in the >tree to avoid massively diverging drivers. The current way of timeout >handling sucks rocks, all timeouts are wild guesses, and there's no >way to centrally maintain them. Each and every call to >scsi_scsi_cmd() specifies its own idea of what timeout might be >appropriate. Do you have any ideas on handling this better? Has anyone researched if there is any kind of status information we can retrieve so we can dynamically adjust timeout length? The SCSI layer is in dire need of a better error recovery strategy as well, and the timeout issue is part of that. Perhaps we can start tossing around ideas on how we should solve these problems? >-- >cheers, J"org > >joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE >Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Aug 15 14:37:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA25809 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA25803 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA20310; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:37:11 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608152137.OAA20310@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Pioneer CD changer problem To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, count@key.hole.fi In-Reply-To: <199608151944.VAA01875@uriah.heep.sax.de> from J Wunsch at "Aug 15, 96 09:44:38 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As Bror 'Count' Heinola wrote: > > > (ahc0:6:0): "PIONEER CD-ROM DRM-600 0801" type 5 removable SCSI 1 > > cd0(ahc0:6:0): CD-ROM > > cd0(ahc0:6:0): NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present > > can't get the size > > ... > > > (ahc0:6:7): "PIONEER CD-ROM DRM-600 0801" type 5 removable SCSI 1 > > cd7(ahc0:6:7): CD-ROM > > cd7(ahc0:6:7): NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present > > can't get the size > > > (Shouldn't it report only cd0 to cd5? It is a 6 cd changer > > afterall...) > > I believe this means it has a broken LUN handling. Weird for a > changer device which is supposed to operate using different LUNs. The DRM-600 is the first one of the series from Pioneer, the later 604 and 624 properly respond to only the LUNS they have. I have not had a chance to play with the 18 changer to know how it handles this, since we run out of luns at 8 :-(. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Aug 15 14:52:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA26666 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26649 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id XAA07289; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:51:01 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA07842; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:51:00 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA02748; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:34:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199608152134.XAA02748@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Pioneer CD changer problem To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:34:03 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: count@key.hole.fi Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199608152112.OAA23181@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at "Aug 15, 96 02:12:33 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > > The current way of timeout > >handling sucks rocks, all timeouts are wild guesses, and there's no > >way to centrally maintain them. Each and every call to > >scsi_scsi_cmd() specifies its own idea of what timeout might be > >appropriate. > > Do you have any ideas on handling this better? Alas not. Otherwise, i would certainly have started a discussion about this here. > Has anyone researched if > there is any kind of status information we can retrieve so we can > dynamically adjust timeout length? I think we first need a bomb-proof way to recover from bus device resets and bus resets. (Right now, i think they almost always end up in a catastrophic breakdown of the affected bus.) Then, the adapter drivers could try to reset the device or bus after a timeout, and could notify the caller of the timeout. The type driver might decide to bump its own idea of a useful timeout, or decide to warn the user of the particular slow device. sysctl might be a good way to adjust some `base timeout' values. Just tossing ideas around... -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Aug 15 14:52:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA26677 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26659 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id XAA07297; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:51:04 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA07844; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:51:03 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA02774; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:38:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199608152138.XAA02774@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Pioneer CD changer problem To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:38:31 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: count@key.hole.fi (Bror 'Count' Heinola) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199608152059.XAA00463@key.hole.fi> from Bror 'Count' Heinola at "Aug 15, 96 11:59:11 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Bror 'Count' Heinola wrote: > > Can you here it swapping the disk in by the same time? Does it > > continue to fail even after a few attempts? > > Yes, and yes. The second `yes' is strange. The Nakamichi seem to respond timely after a few attempts. Only mounting (i.e., cdopen()) appears to be that time-critical, once the disks are mounted, i can swap them around at will as long as i'm reading only one medium at a time. Concurrent reading will first thrash the changer, and eventually cause more serious faults later. > Anyways, any pointers to the code where I might go and change > the current timeout values? It's the 7th parameter to the function scsi_scsi_cmd(), have a look at /sys/scsi/cd.c. (Btw., things like scsi_scsi_cmd() are good candidates for section 9 man pages. If someone provides me with the input data, i'm offering help to -mdoc'ify them.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Aug 15 15:07:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA28014 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27999; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608152206.PAA27999@freefall.freebsd.org> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, count@key.hole.fi (Bror 'Count' Heinola) Subject: Re: Pioneer CD changer problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:38:31 +0200." <199608152138.XAA02774@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:06:50 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >It's the 7th parameter to the function scsi_scsi_cmd(), have a look at >/sys/scsi/cd.c. (Btw., things like scsi_scsi_cmd() are good candidates >for section 9 man pages. If someone provides me with the input data, >i'm offering help to -mdoc'ify them.) I guess you haven't reviewed those patches too closely yet. 8-) scsi_scsi_cmd is no more. Its been replaced by scsi_prepare_xs() and scsi_schedule_xs(). >-- >cheers, J"org > >joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE >Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Aug 15 15:07:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA28034 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lassie.eunet.fi (lassie.eunet.fi [192.26.119.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28020 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from key.hole.fi by lassie.eunet.fi with SMTP id AA10446 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Aug 1996 01:06:53 +0300 Received: (from count@localhost) by key.hole.fi (8.7.5/8.6.12) id BAA00740; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 01:06:52 +0300 (EET DST) From: "Bror 'Count' Heinola" Message-Id: <199608152206.BAA00740@key.hole.fi> Subject: Re: Pioneer CD changer problem To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 01:06:52 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608152138.XAA02774@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Aug 15, 96 11:38:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch taisi sanoa: > As Bror 'Count' Heinola wrote: > > > Can you here it swapping the disk in by the same time? Does it > > > continue to fail even after a few attempts? > > Yes, and yes. > The second `yes' is strange. The Nakamichi seem to respond timely > after a few attempts. Only mounting (i.e., cdopen()) appears to be > that time-critical, once the disks are mounted, i can swap them around > at will as long as i'm reading only one medium at a time. Concurrent > reading will first thrash the changer, and eventually cause more > serious faults later. Perhaps I should explain a bit better. When I try to access the first disc (cd0) the changer takes it from the cartridge, spins it and returns it. All subsequent accesses to cd0 will result in message "open: no CD in" as long as I eject the cartridge and re-insert it. Then I can load it once again etc. This holds true for all the discs. > It's the 7th parameter to the function scsi_scsi_cmd(), have a look at > /sys/scsi/cd.c. (Btw., things like scsi_scsi_cmd() are good candidates > for section 9 man pages. If someone provides me with the input data, > i'm offering help to -mdoc'ify them.) Thanks, I'll look into that when I'm a bit more alert. -- Bror 'Count' Heinola % count@key.hole.fi % http://pobox.com/~count/ Pengerkatu 13b A5 % IRC: Count NIC: BH271 % FI-00530 HELSINKI % Work: bror@sms.fi % Roads? Where we're going, Cell: +358-40-5533-554 % Santa Monica Software % we don't need roads. From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Aug 15 15:30:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00295 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunny.bog.msu.su (sunny.bog.msu.su [158.250.20.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA00288 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dima@localhost) by sunny.bog.msu.su (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA20760; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 02:21:19 +0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 02:21:17 +0400 (????) From: Dmitry Khrustalev To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: Joerg Wunsch , freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, "Bror 'Count' Heinola" Subject: Re: Pioneer CD changer problem In-Reply-To: <199608152112.OAA23181@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > >The timeouts in the existing driver are way too short to properly > >handle CD changers. I've got a Nakamichi on loan to test and fix > >this, but defered all my CD-ROM work until Justin's changes are in the > >tree to avoid massively diverging drivers. The current way of timeout > >handling sucks rocks, all timeouts are wild guesses, and there's no > >way to centrally maintain them. Each and every call to > >scsi_scsi_cmd() specifies its own idea of what timeout might be > >appropriate. > > Do you have any ideas on handling this better? Has anyone researched if > there is any kind of status information we can retrieve so we can > dynamically adjust timeout length? The SCSI layer is in dire need > of a better error recovery strategy as well, and the timeout issue is part > of that. Perhaps we can start tossing around ideas on how we should solve > these problems? What I always wanted is an option to have only one outstanding transaction for device on all logical units. Capability to sort request by lun ( with timeout to avoid monopolising the changer by one process) will be also helpful. It was mess to add this in old code, and I have not looked at new one yet. -Dima > > >-- > >cheers, J"org > > > >joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE > >Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) > > -- > Justin T. Gibbs > =========================================== > FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations > =========================================== > From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Aug 15 23:21:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA09939 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA09928 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id IAA23445 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:21:13 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA13945 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:21:13 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA04859 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:04:44 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199608160604.IAA04859@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Pioneer CD changer problem To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:04:44 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199608152206.PAA27999@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at "Aug 15, 96 03:06:50 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > >It's the 7th parameter to the function scsi_scsi_cmd(),... > > I guess you haven't reviewed those patches too closely yet. 8-) > scsi_scsi_cmd is no more. Its been replaced by scsi_prepare_xs() and > scsi_schedule_xs(). Ah :-O, no, i haven't had the time to look into your new code, i've only been playing with it. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Aug 17 11:25:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA07212 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.stercomm.com (ns.stercomm.com [199.3.19.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07206 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtplink.stercomm.com by ns.stercomm.com id AA06244; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:22:58 -0400 Received: from ccMail by smtplink.stercomm.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.01 Enterprise) id 2160F420; Sat, 17 Aug 96 14:28:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:22:27 -0400 Message-Id: <2160F420.1733@smtplink.stercomm.com> From: Dale_Moberg@stercomm.com Subject: nca scsi driver error messages during boot. To: scsi@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Resent to scsi list after no response in questions. ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: nca scsi driver error messages during boot. Hi, I am trying to get to the point of using disklabel on a scsi drive but disklabel times out when asked to write a label to the disk. dmesg shows that during boot the nca scsi driver finds the controller card (a NCR-53C400 based Trantor board model 160B). It also probes the bus and finds sd0(nca1:0:0) which responds with HP 1.050 GB 3rd 0582 type 0 fixec scsi2 Direct Access 1001 MB (2051460 512 byte sectors) But I also see the following error messages: nca1/0/0 unknown message: 0x1 nca1/0/0 unknown message: 0x1 nca1/0/0 unknown message: 0x19 nca1/0/0 unknown message: 0xf The HP drive is a fast scsi 2 drive whose documentation says to supply termpwr and to terminate using a cable with active termination. This I have done. Unfortunately the controller card documentation (from Adaptec) does not say how its termination can be modified or whether it is active. The controller card has both an internal 50 pin connector for ribbon cable and a DB25 for external devices. I do not know how the card figures out whether it is in the middle or at the end. My question is whether the unknown messages that are found during boot give any clues about what the real problem is and how it might be fixed? If not, is there a controller card that can supply active termination and is configurable (jumpers preferably) and that is known to work with fast scsi 2 drives (and of course freebsd!!!) Thanks for any assistance. From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Aug 17 15:21:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA25387 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 15:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA25380 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 15:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA08007 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 00:21:15 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA18231 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 00:21:14 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA11835 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 00:05:34 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199608172205.AAA11835@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Error recovery To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 00:05:34 +0200 (MET DST) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This should not be treated as a fatal error: od0(ncr0:3:0): RECOVERED ERROR info:34a91 asc:18,0 od0(ncr0:3:0): Recovered data with error correction applied , retries:4 od0(ncr0:3:0): RECOVERED ERROR info:34a91 asc:18,0 od0(ncr0:3:0): Recovered data with error correction applied , retries:3 od0(ncr0:3:0): RECOVERED ERROR info:34a91 asc:18,0 od0(ncr0:3:0): Recovered data with error correction applied , retries:2 od0(ncr0:3:0): RECOVERED ERROR info:34a91 asc:18,0 od0(ncr0:3:0): Recovered data with error correction applied , retries:1 od0(ncr0:3:0): RECOVERED ERROR info:34a91 asc:18,0 od0(ncr0:3:0): Recovered data with error correction applied , FAILURE ^^^^^^^ -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Aug 17 16:32:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA28239 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28230; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608172332.QAA28230@freefall.freebsd.org> To: Dale_Moberg@stercomm.com cc: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nca scsi driver error messages during boot. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:22:27 EDT." <2160F420.1733@smtplink.stercomm.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:32:28 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Resent to scsi list after no response in questions. Many of us are not on that list. > But I also see the following error messages: > > nca1/0/0 unknown message: 0x1 > nca1/0/0 unknown message: 0x1 > nca1/0/0 unknown message: 0x19 > nca1/0/0 unknown message: 0xf The drive is attempting to negotiate Synchronous transfers with the nca driver, but I guess they are not supported. The NCA driver should send a message reject in response to any messages it doesn't understand which should solve this problem until synchronous transfer support can be added (assuming the hardware supports it). Unfortunately, I'm not very familiar with the nca driver, so perhaps someone else can look into this? I think pkh did some work on it the last time around. If no one else pipes up, I'll have a look-see and try to give you a work around. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Aug 17 16:41:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-scsi Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA28471 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28466; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608172341.QAA28466@freefall.freebsd.org> To: J Wunsch cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Error recovery In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 18 Aug 1996 00:05:34 +0200." <199608172205.AAA11835@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:41:30 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Most certainly not. I'll add "Investigate the RECOVERED ERROR sense codes" to my whiteboard. This list just keeps growing... 8-( >This should not be treated as a fatal error: > >od0(ncr0:3:0): RECOVERED ERROR info:34a91 asc:18,0 >od0(ncr0:3:0): Recovered data with error correction applied >, retries:4 >od0(ncr0:3:0): RECOVERED ERROR info:34a91 asc:18,0 >od0(ncr0:3:0): Recovered data with error correction applied >, retries:3 >od0(ncr0:3:0): RECOVERED ERROR info:34a91 asc:18,0 >od0(ncr0:3:0): Recovered data with error correction applied >, retries:2 >od0(ncr0:3:0): RECOVERED ERROR info:34a91 asc:18,0 >od0(ncr0:3:0): Recovered data with error correction applied >, retries:1 >od0(ncr0:3:0): RECOVERED ERROR info:34a91 asc:18,0 >od0(ncr0:3:0): Recovered data with error correction applied >, FAILURE > ^^^^^^^ >-- >cheers, J"org > >joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE >Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations ===========================================