From owner-cvs-share Sun Aug 10 01:11:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA09512 for cvs-share-outgoing; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 01:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA09339; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 01:09:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Joerg Wunsch Received: (from joerg@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) id BAA19326; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 01:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 01:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708100809.BAA19326@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/share/man/man4/man4.i386 sb.4 Makefile Sender: owner-cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk joerg 1997/08/10 01:09:01 PDT Modified files: share/man/man4/man4.i386 Makefile Added files: share/man/man4/man4.i386 sb.4 Log: Add a man page for sb(4). Submitted by: garbanzo@hooked.net (Alex) Revision Changes Path 1.65 +3 -2 src/share/man/man4/man4.i386/Makefile From owner-cvs-share Sun Aug 10 18:26:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA29028 for cvs-share-outgoing; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28944; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:25:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Price Received: (from steve@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) id SAA13394; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708110125.SAA13394@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/share/man/man8/man8.i386 MAKEDEV.8 Sender: owner-cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk steve 1997/08/10 18:25:09 PDT Modified files: share/man/man8/man8.i386 MAKEDEV.8 Log: Mention vty* in the man page. PR: bin/3741 Submitted by: Wolfgang Helbig Revision Changes Path 1.10 +3 -1 src/share/man/man8/man8.i386/MAKEDEV.8 From owner-cvs-share Tue Aug 12 11:25:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA08934 for cvs-share-outgoing; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08905; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:24:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Eivind Eklund Received: (from eivind@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) id LAA18580; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708121824.LAA18580@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/share/man/man9 Makefile Sender: owner-cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk eivind 1997/08/12 11:24:45 PDT Modified files: share/man/man9 Makefile Log: Activate the bios.9 manpage. PR: 4215 Revision Changes Path 1.31 +2 -2 src/share/man/man9/Makefile From owner-cvs-share Tue Aug 12 13:04:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA15901 for cvs-share-outgoing; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15743; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:03:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam David Received: (from adam@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) id NAA19260; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708122003.NAA19260@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/share/man/man4/man4.i386 el.4 Sender: owner-cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk adam 1997/08/12 13:03:55 PDT Modified files: share/man/man4/man4.i386 el.4 Log: typo and reword Submitted by: garbanzo@hooked.net (Alex) Revision Changes Path 1.6 +3 -3 src/share/man/man4/man4.i386/el.4 From owner-cvs-share Tue Aug 12 13:07:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16199 for cvs-share-outgoing; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16140; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:07:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam David Received: (from adam@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) id NAA19296; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708122007.NAA19296@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/share/man/man4/man4.i386 el.4 Sender: owner-cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk adam 1997/08/12 13:07:23 PDT Modified files: (Branch: RELENG_2_2) share/man/man4/man4.i386 el.4 Log: typo and reword Submitted by: garbanzo@hooked.net (Alex) Revision Changes Path 1.1.4.3 +3 -3 src/share/man/man4/man4.i386/el.4 From owner-cvs-share Wed Aug 13 16:19:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA06257 for cvs-share-outgoing; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06180; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:17:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Wolfram Schneider Received: (from wosch@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) id QAA04684; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708132316.QAA04684@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/share/skel Makefile Sender: owner-cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk wosch 1997/08/13 16:16:57 PDT Modified files: share/skel Makefile Log: install dot.shrc Submitted by: Wolfgang Helbig Revision Changes Path 1.4 +1 -1 src/share/skel/Makefile From owner-cvs-share Fri Aug 15 16:42:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26339 for cvs-share-outgoing; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26276; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:41:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrey A. Chernov" Received: (from ache@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) id QAA13303; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708152341.QAA13303@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/share/skel dot.login dot.profile Sender: owner-cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ache 1997/08/15 16:41:27 PDT Modified files: share/skel dot.login dot.profile Log: Remove LANG settings from here, they must be in login classes instead Revision Changes Path 1.11 +1 -4 src/share/skel/dot.login 1.14 +1 -4 src/share/skel/dot.profile From owner-cvs-share Sat Aug 16 10:44:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02353 for cvs-share-outgoing; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from precipice.shockwave.com (ppp-206-170-5-33.rdcy01.pacbell.net [206.170.5.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02348; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shockwave.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by precipice.shockwave.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29157; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708161743.KAA29157@precipice.shockwave.com> To: "Andrey A. Chernov" cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/share/skel dot.login dot.profile In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:41:27 PDT." <199708152341.QAA13303@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:43:59 -0700 From: Paul Traina Sender: owner-cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Why must they be in login classes or .login.classes? This would seem to imply (unless people know about the file in ~, which is quite non-standard) that the sysadmin of a machine needs to set the user's home character type, which seems bogus to me...? From owner-cvs-share Sat Aug 16 11:07:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA03136 for cvs-share-outgoing; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lsd.relcom.eu.net (ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net [193.124.23.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03103; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ache@localhost) by lsd.relcom.eu.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA08590; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:06:19 +0400 (MSD) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:06:17 +0400 (MSD) From: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= X-Sender: ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net To: Paul Traina cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/share/skel dot.login dot.profile In-Reply-To: <199708161743.KAA29157@precipice.shockwave.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Paul Traina wrote: > Why must they be in login classes or .login.classes? LANG and MM_CHARSET can be in shell rc files still if users prefer it, but it is not a subject of _default_ dot.* files, it was the reason for removing. > This would seem to imply (unless people know about the file in ~, which is > quite non-standard) that the sysadmin of a machine needs to set the user's > home character type, which seems bogus to me...? They need to be set outside shell rc files in general case, consider following examples: 1) All programs you start in .login/.cshrc _before_ setenv becomes not localized. Enev shell itself is not localized before this setenv, it may affect startup messages or error diagnostics. 2) It is needed for shells with no startup files. 3) It is needed for shells which not support LANG changes on the fly. 4) In typical case of mass users setup, users not know anything about localization model but want to use their national language. It is more comfortable for sysadmin to have national login class for them which can be default for adduser. It is not sysadmin only priveledge since ~/.login_conf file can be maintained by user himself. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ From owner-cvs-share Sat Aug 16 12:08:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA06135 for cvs-share-outgoing; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de (blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06114; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panke.panke.de (anonymous228.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.228]) by blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA22279; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:08:56 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by panke.panke.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) id VAA01792; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:05:31 +0200 (MET DST) To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: cvs-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, cvs-share@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/share/skel dot.login dot.profile References: <199708152341.QAA13303@freefall.freebsd.org> From: Wolfram Schneider Date: 16 Aug 1997 21:05:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Andrey A. Chernov"'s message of Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Lines: 29 Sender: owner-cvs-share@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Andrey A. Chernov" writes: > Modified files: > share/skel dot.login dot.profile > Log: > Remove LANG settings from here, they must be in login classes instead I object, for various reasons: 1. there is no "must", login classes are optional 2. login classes are not portable, I want share my dot files with different architectures 3. dot files are user defined, login classes are defined by system admins 4. the log message lies. You did not remove the variable LANG, you removed the documentation about LANG. There is not reason for removing documentation until it is wrong, confusing or the wrong place. In short words, please undo this commit! Thanks, Wolfram > Revision Changes Path > 1.11 +1 -4 src/share/skel/dot.login > 1.14 +1 -4 src/share/skel/dot.profile > -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/ From owner-cvs-share Sat Aug 16 12:22:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA06748 for cvs-share-outgoing; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veda.is (root@veda.is [193.4.230.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06723; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ubiq.veda.is (adam@ubiq.veda.is [193.4.230.60]) by veda.is (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24633; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:21:35 GMT From: Adam David Received: (from adam@localhost) by ubiq.veda.is (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA02607; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:21:33 GMT Message-Id: <199708161921.TAA02607@ubiq.veda.is> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/share/skel dot.login dot.profile In-Reply-To: from Wolfram Schneider at "Aug 16, 97 09:05:29 pm" To: wosch@de.freebsd.org (Wolfram Schneider) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:21:33 +0000 (GMT) Cc: ache@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Remove LANG settings from here, they must be in login classes instead > > I object, for various reasons: > > 1. there is no "must", login classes are optional There can be a default for all non-class-specified users. > 2. login classes are not portable, I want share my dot files > with different architectures Is there anything to prevent users defining their own settings in the dotfiles if they so choose? > 3. dot files are user defined, login classes are defined by > system admins Some of the settings can be overridden by users. > 4. the log message lies. You did not remove the variable LANG, > you removed the documentation about LANG. There is not > reason for removing documentation until it is wrong, confusing > or the wrong place. -- Adam David From owner-cvs-share Sat Aug 16 16:41:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17462 for cvs-share-outgoing; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17431; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:40:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Price Received: (from steve@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) id QAA12333; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708162340.QAA12333@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/share/doc/usd/30.rogue Makefile Sender: owner-cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk steve 1997/08/16 16:40:26 PDT Modified files: share/doc/usd/30.rogue Makefile Log: Add a cleandepend target and tidy up a bit. PR: docs/3257 Revision Changes Path 1.7 +2 -15 src/share/doc/usd/30.rogue/Makefile From owner-cvs-share Sat Aug 16 17:00:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA18619 for cvs-share-outgoing; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18525; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:59:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Price Received: (from steve@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) id QAA12420; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708162359.QAA12420@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/share/man/man8 diskless.8 Sender: owner-cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk steve 1997/08/16 16:59:30 PDT Added files: share/man/man8 diskless.8 Log: Add a slightly modified version of NetBSD's diskless.8 manpage. PR: docs/2153 Obtained from: NetBSD From owner-cvs-share Sat Aug 16 17:16:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA20031 for cvs-share-outgoing; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20008; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:16:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Price Received: (from steve@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) id RAA12555; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708170015.RAA12555@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/share/man/man8 sticky.8 Sender: owner-cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk steve 1997/08/16 17:15:47 PDT Modified files: share/man/man8 sticky.8 Log: Note that sticky text executables are no longer supported. PR: docs/4198 Submitted by: Ada T. Lim Revision Changes Path 1.3 +3 -22 src/share/man/man8/sticky.8 From owner-cvs-share Sat Aug 16 23:39:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA11309 for cvs-share-outgoing; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lsd.relcom.eu.net (ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net [193.124.23.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA11179; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ache@localhost) by lsd.relcom.eu.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA17358; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:36:37 +0400 (MSD) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:36:36 +0400 (MSD) From: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= X-Sender: ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net To: Wolfram Schneider cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/share/skel dot.login dot.profile In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 16 Aug 1997, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > I object, for various reasons: > > 1. there is no "must", login classes are optional Localization is optional too. We talk about proper place. Shell rc files is definitely NOT proper place for localization. > 2. login classes are not portable, I want share my dot files > with different architectures Localization is not portable too, almost each system have different LANG naming convention and different code tables. > 3. dot files are user defined, login classes are defined by > system admins It is simple not true. > 4. the log message lies. You did not remove the variable LANG, > you removed the documentation about LANG. There is not > reason for removing documentation until it is wrong, confusing > or the wrong place. I remove commented out LANG setting to prevent possible uncommenting it in wrong place. Good documentation at this place will be reference to login.class. > In short words, please undo this commit! Only if real reason not to do it will be found. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.pp.ru/~ache/