From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 28 02:06:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA02834 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 02:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alumni.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (hsu@alumni.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.156.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA02829 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 02:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hsu@localhost) by alumni.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.7/StupidYak 1.0) id CAA05725; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 02:06:00 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 02:06:00 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199704280906.CAA05725@alumni.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Linus Torvalds' talk moved to Sibley Aud. (fwd) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, I plan to be there. Anyone with suggestions for good heckling questions should mail them to me. ------- start of forwarded message ------- Path: agate!maxroach.EECS.Berkeley.EDU!gam3 From: gam3@maxroach.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (G. Allen Morris III) Subject: Linus Torvalds' talk moved to Sibley Aud. Date: 27 Apr 1997 21:18:17 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 16 Linus Torvalds' talk is being moved to Sibley Auditorium to allow room for the expected hords. The time will be the same (4:00 to 5:00pm, Wen. May 7th). The main issues covered will be Linux kernel trends, and basic design philosophy. Special interests convered will be SMP and portability. Audience questions are encouraged. Total world domination by the Linux Operating System will also be discussed. -- G. Allen Morris III http://www-inst.EECS.Berkeley.EDU/~gam3 University of California, Berkeley gam3@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU Senior, Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Sciences ------- end of forwarded message ------- From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 28 09:50:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA23992 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23966 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04851; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:49:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:49:54 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Terry Lambert cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's the deal with cc? *CRAP* In-Reply-To: <199704251728.KAA03689@phaeton.artisoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Just as a small footnote, last time I re-indexed the > > freebsd-hackers mailing list, "terry" and "lambert" gained > > stopword status. > > Oh well... [snip] > Is this for document source, only, or is this for all > occurances? The numbers were artifically inflated by the > occurance of my name in "Subject:" lines and text body (my > signature, unnecessary quotes of my signature, "Terry Lambert > writes:" and similar citations, etc.), if the latter. This is for the document body, so it represents you talking and people talking about you. :) -john From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 28 19:18:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA16136 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [207.239.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16129 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freyes.dh.i-2000.com (slip166-72-219-132.ny.us.ibm.net [166.72.219.132]) by federation.addy.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA24012 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704290217.WAA24012@federation.addy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSd Chat list" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 22:15:08 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Can you believe this... Food Spam. What is next!!!!! Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have seen all kind of Spam but this is a bit too much. And to show how dumb they are they want people to send an email so then they can send you the URL. > New York City Gourmet Food > The most delicious site in the internet. > on-line orders are shipped via FEDEX > directly from many of New York City's > most famous gourmet restaurants and > specialty food stores. > URL and ordering information will be > sent to interested parties by > return E-mail. From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 28 19:23:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA16326 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16317 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA18785; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:53:44 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199704290223.LAA18785@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Linus Torvalds' talk moved to Sibley Aud. (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199704280906.CAA05725@alumni.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> from Jeffrey Hsu at "Apr 28, 97 02:06:00 am" To: hsu@alumni.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Jeffrey Hsu) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:53:44 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jeffrey Hsu stands accused of saying: > Well, I plan to be there. Anyone with suggestions for > good heckling questions should mail them to me. "When's the unified distribution due again?" You might want to ask a math/stat person about "trends" and random environments too. > ------- start of forwarded message ------- > Path: agate!maxroach.EECS.Berkeley.EDU!gam3 > From: gam3@maxroach.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (G. Allen Morris III) > Subject: Linus Torvalds' talk moved to Sibley Aud. > Date: 27 Apr 1997 21:18:17 GMT > Organization: University of California, Berkeley > Lines: 16 > > Linus Torvalds' talk is being moved to Sibley Auditorium to > allow room for the expected hords. The time will be the > same (4:00 to 5:00pm, Wen. May 7th). > > The main issues covered will be Linux kernel trends, and > basic design philosophy. Special interests convered will be > SMP and portability. Audience questions are encouraged. > > Total world domination by the Linux Operating System will also > be discussed. > > -- > G. Allen Morris III http://www-inst.EECS.Berkeley.EDU/~gam3 > University of California, Berkeley gam3@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU > Senior, Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Sciences > > ------- end of forwarded message ------- > -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 28 20:12:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19572 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.konnections.com (mail.konnections.com [192.41.71.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19566 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from castle (root@ip190.konnections.com [192.41.71.190]) by mail.konnections.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id VAA04620; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:11:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3366C4EC.6AE0734A@konnections.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:06:08 -0700 From: mike allison Organization: Publisher -- Burning Eagle Book Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Francisco Reyes CC: FreeBSd Chat list Subject: Re: Can you believe this... Food Spam. What is next!!!!! References: <199704290217.WAA24012@federation.addy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Since when was SPAM gourmet food...... I can be creative when I want, but Gourmet??? -Mike Francisco Reyes wrote: > > I have seen all kind of Spam but this is a bit too much. > And to show how dumb they are they want people to send an email so then > they can send you the URL. > > > New York City Gourmet Food From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 29 00:21:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA01450 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA01436 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA19068 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:21:27 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03318; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:09:59 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970429090959.RJ60937@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:09:59 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linus Torvalds' talk moved to Sibley Aud. (fwd) References: <199704280906.CAA05725@alumni.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> <199704290223.LAA18785@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199704290223.LAA18785@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au>; from Michael Smith on Apr 29, 1997 11:53:44 +0930 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Michael Smith wrote: > > Well, I plan to be there. Anyone with suggestions for > > good heckling questions should mail them to me. > > "When's the unified distribution due again?" "When will Linux start using version control?" "When will Linux implement raw devices so you don't need to blow your buffer cache when reading a tar floppy?" :-)) I think we've got enough of our own problems... -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 29 01:11:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA03793 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 01:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA03787 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 01:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id RAA20920; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:41:19 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199704290811.RAA20920@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Linus Torvalds' talk moved to Sibley Aud. (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19970429090959.RJ60937@uriah.heep.sax.de> from J Wunsch at "Apr 29, 97 09:09:59 am" To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:41:19 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch stands accused of saying: > As Michael Smith wrote: > > > > Well, I plan to be there. Anyone with suggestions for > > > good heckling questions should mail them to me. > > > > "When's the unified distribution due again?" > > "When will Linux start using version control?" Ooh, definitely. "Where can I get the Linux CVS repository so I can see what's changed and when?" > I think we've got enough of our own problems... That we do, but this is Linus talking, not one of you/us 8) > cheers, J"org -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 29 02:00:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA06067 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 02:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA05988 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 01:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA21208; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:29:56 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199704290859.SAA21208@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Possible broken libc_r In-Reply-To: <199704291724.RAA01981@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> from John Birrell at "Apr 29, 97 05:23:59 pm" To: jb@cimlogic.com.au (John Birrell) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:29:56 +0930 (CST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Birrell stands accused of saying: > > > > No luck. I removed all stdio related stuff but the recv() call on > > server side still won't block. I tried using recvfrom() also. Still > > the same. Any clue? > > Hmmm. I'll try to get rid of the virus that has infected the machine > that I run -current on, and take a look stay tuned... You installed _LINUX_?? Shame! And where's my mdsio code review? 8) 8) 8) > John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@netbsd.org; jb@freebsd.org -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 29 10:27:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27389 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nyx.pr.mcs.net (nyx.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27381 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nyx.pr.mcs.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyx.pr.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19116; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:27:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199704291727.MAA19116@nyx.pr.mcs.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Michael Smith cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Linus Torvalds' talk moved to Sibley Aud. (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:41:19 +0930. <199704290811.RAA20920@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:27:46 -0500 From: Chris Csanady Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >J Wunsch stands accused of saying: >> As Michael Smith wrote: >> >> > > Well, I plan to be there. Anyone with suggestions for >> > > good heckling questions should mail them to me. >> > >> > "When's the unified distribution due again?" >> >> "When will Linux start using version control?" > >Ooh, definitely. "Where can I get the Linux CVS repository so I can see >what's changed and when?" If all you want to know is what has changed and when.. never fear! It's in each of the source files! ;-) Well, maybe not the diffs, but every person that has ever fixed a minor nit HAS to have their name mentioned in the files for what they did... --Chris Csanady >> I think we've got enough of our own problems... > >That we do, but this is Linus talking, not one of you/us 8) > >> cheers, J"org > >-- >]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ >]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ >]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ >]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ >]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 29 20:10:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA28591 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nic.follonett.no (nic.follonett.no [194.198.43.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA28586 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by nic.follonett.no (8.8.5/8.8.3) with UUCP id FAA24692; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 05:08:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from oo7 (pc136.dimaga.com [192.0.0.136]) by dimaga.com (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id DAA10813; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 03:34:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970430023715.011b7db0@dimaga.com> X-Sender: eivind@dimaga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 02:37:16 +0200 To: Brian Somers From: Eivind Eklund Subject: Re: My postings to this list. Cc: Wm Brian McCane , chat@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (Moved to -chat) At 01:01 AM 4/30/97 +0100, Brian Somers wrote: >> Okay, this may be completely normal, or I may be mis-configured and I >> just want to know which it is. Whenever I post to mailing-list(s), and >> look at my mail in pine (3.91). Instead of seeing my name in the list as >> the poster, I see "To: hackers@freebsd.org" or something similar. Is >> this correct? Does it show me this because I posted it from here, or is >> it a mis-configuration or a bug? Sorry if you think this doesn't belong >> here, but this is where I keep seeing it. > >I use exmh. All the stuff posted to -hackers is ok, but anything >I cvs commit comes out as you describe. > >> brian > >I guess this proves that if you wait around long enough, someone >else will at least find the same problem (if not fix it). It can >make ya lazy ! Is this a problem? It is a feature of the mailer. It detect that you are the sender, and thus doesn't show 'uninteresting' information, but instead the information that actually can be interesting to you. Eivind. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 29 21:14:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA02142 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (yarrina.connect.com.au [192.189.54.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA01980 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aardvark.apana.org.au (root@aardvark.apana.org.au [203.12.237.49]) by yarrina.connect.com.au with ESMTP id OAA00975 (8.8.5/IDA-1.6); Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:07:06 +1000 (EST) Received: from solsbury-hill.home (dialup-28.aardvark.apana.org.au [203.12.237.58]) by aardvark.apana.org.au (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA20360; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:06:27 +1000 Received: from solsbury-hill.home (localhost.home [127.0.0.1]) by solsbury-hill.home (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04544; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:06:17 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199704300406.OAA04544@solsbury-hill.home> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0beta 12/23/96 From: Joel Sutton To: Tod Luginbuhl cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:10:24 -0400." <199704281510.LAA12638@SCIENCE-GUY.npt.nuwc.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:06:17 +1000 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > My experience has been that FreeBSD (stable) is far more stable > than Windows 3.1 and is more stable than Win95. FreeBSD almost never > crashes at home (and it never crashes on my portable or my system at > work), where as Windows 3.1 crashed daily and it seems Win95 crashes > atleast weekly (if not more) for me on my home system (please factor > in 2 children ages 7 and 4.5 into the picture). My Win95 machine is a 386 and it crashes daily, if I'm lucky. Usually is crashes more. :-> Such is life I guess. I wanted to save my Pentium for FreeBSD... :-> Cheers, Joel... From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 30 14:43:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19638 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from antares.aero.org (antares.aero.org [130.221.192.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19633 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anpiel.aero.org (anpiel.aero.org [130.221.196.66]) by antares.aero.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29341; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anpiel.aero.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by anpiel.aero.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08197; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704302141.OAA08197@anpiel.aero.org> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: jack , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Price of FreeBSD (was On Holy Wars...) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 18 Apr 1997 22:38:21 PDT." <10769.861428301@time.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:41:25 -0700 From: "Mike O'Brien" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > closed discussions with the "private sector". Hell, if they want to get > > together at Stonehenge once a month and chant and howl at the full moon > > naked let 'em. > > That actually sounds like a lot of fun - anyone up for this during the > next solstice? Flights to Heathrow in the off-season are pretty > cheap. :-) They sure as *(&^*&^ are! I just got back. Round trip non-stop LAX to Heathrow for $450 on United; lowest posted fare was $388. As the fellow says, though, Stonehenge is fenced and guarded now, not to mention the fact that Salisbury Plain is awfully inhospitable. I suggest chanting and howling inside the gigantic stone circle surrounding the nearby town of Avebury, because after you work up a thirst you can just wander into the pub. And before you dismiss this, Jordan, have you tried ginger beer? Personally I love the stuff, and it's ethanol-free. Mike O'Brien From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 30 17:13:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA23809 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA23800; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199705010013.RAA23800@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Linus Torvalds' talk moved to Sibley Aud. (fwd) To: ccsanady@nyx.pr.mcs.net (Chris Csanady) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:13:38 -3100 (PDT) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199704291727.MAA19116@nyx.pr.mcs.net> from "Chris Csanady" at Apr 29, 97 12:27:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chris Csanady wrote: > > >Ooh, definitely. "Where can I get the Linux CVS repository so I can see > >what's changed and when?" > > If all you want to know is what has changed and when.. never fear! > > It's in each of the source files! ;-) Well, maybe not the diffs, but every > person that has ever fixed a minor nit HAS to have their name mentioned > in the files for what they did... let me get this straight. in the source file, you get thename of each gentleman that has contributed to the code...but you can not get the actual contribution. (well maybe you do, unless some other blighter has overwritten part of it. either way you dont knwo what he changed.) ;)) god i love it. jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 2 12:23:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA17735 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (ppp010-sm2.sirius.com [205.134.231.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17727; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA07031; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Josef Grosch Message-Id: <199705021923.MAA07031@superior.mooseriver.com> Subject: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! To: hackers@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: jgrosch@sirius.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just got another spam from these bozos. I don't know alot about Majordomo but is there a filter to prevent email from a known address being posted to a list ? If not then I think it's time to build such a filter. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.1 jgrosch@sirius.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 2 12:42:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18734 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (joelh@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18728 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id PAA03267; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:41:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 15:41:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199705021941.PAA03267@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: jgrosch@sirius.com CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199705021923.MAA07031@superior.mooseriver.com> (message from Josef Grosch on Fri, 2 May 1997 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [moved to -chat, this really isn't -hackers material.] I very, very rarely get spammed by email. Do you post to the usenet; that's a lot more common way for them to get names. -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the Free Software Foundation's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 2 13:02:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA19763 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA19732; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:02:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199705022002.NAA19732@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! To: jgrosch@sirius.com Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199705021923.MAA07031@superior.mooseriver.com> from "Josef Grosch" at May 2, 97 12:23:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Josef Grosch wrote: > > I just got another spam from these bozos. I don't know alot about Majordomo > but is there a filter to prevent email from a known address being posted to > a list ? If not then I think it's time to build such a filter. > send me the headers please. i will look into this. jbm From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 2 13:24:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA20990 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from narcissus.ml.org (root@brosenga.Pitzer.edu [134.173.120.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20985 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by narcissus.ml.org (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00697; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:23:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Snob Art Genre To: Joel Ray Holveck cc: jgrosch@sirius.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! In-Reply-To: <199705021941.PAA03267@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 May 1997, Joel Ray Holveck wrote: > [moved to -chat, this really isn't -hackers material.] > I very, very rarely get spammed by email. Do you post to the usenet; > that's a lot more common way for them to get names. I've never posted to usenet in my life, and I'm getting these spams too. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 2 14:08:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA23396 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kilgour.nething.com (kilgour.nething.com [204.253.210.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23388 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from randy.nething.com (randy.nething.com [204.253.210.83]) by kilgour.nething.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA08394 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:04:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970502160811.007cace0@nething.com> X-Sender: rberndt@nething.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 16:08:11 -0500 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Randy Berndt Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! In-Reply-To: References: <199705021941.PAA03267@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Wake up, guys. This twerp is spamming the mail lists (sending to freebsd-xxx@freebsd.org), not individuals directly. At 01:23 PM 5/2/97 -0700, Snob Art Genre wrote: >On Fri, 2 May 1997, Joel Ray Holveck wrote: > >> [moved to -chat, this really isn't -hackers material.] >> I very, very rarely get spammed by email. Do you post to the usenet; >> that's a lot more common way for them to get names. > >I've never posted to usenet in my life, and I'm getting these spams too. > > Randy Berndt ---------------------------------- AOS/VS, FreeBSD, DOS: I'm caught in a maze of twisty little command interpreters, all different. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 2 14:19:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA23863 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ridge.spiritone.com (ridge.spiritone.com [205.139.108.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23857 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from joes.users.spiritone.com (joes.users.spiritone.com [205.139.111.224]) by ridge.spiritone.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28933 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by joes.users.spiritone.com via sendmail with stdio id for chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:56:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built 1997-Apr-28) Message-Id: From: joes@spiritone.com (Joseph Stein) Subject: Re: Unwanted electronic mail is a federal crime. (fwd) To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:56:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=ELM862606571-3695-0_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk --ELM862606571-3695-0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got a response to my "hate" mail... It is attached for your reading pleasure. Don't know much about this, but it _seems_ sincere.... Guess we'll find out soon... And, apologies for the way I sent the message to the group; It was not intended to be interpreted as sent to any subscriber to the FreeBSD mailing lists; but I wanted to chime in on how I would (and did, from my end) fight it. joe --ELM862606571-3695-0_ Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: Forwarded message from Robert Duran Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from mail.spiritone.com(really [205.139.111.224]) by joes.users.spiritone.com via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 11:15:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built 1997-Apr-28) Received: from ns1.netxs.net (ns1.netxs.net [206.149.184.2]) by ridge.spiritone.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA30902 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from admin ([206.149.187.11]) by ns1.netxs.net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-12872) with SMTP id AAA396; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:51:54 -0700 Message-ID: <336A29B1.5CE0@netxs.net> Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 10:51:45 -0700 From: rduran@netxs.net (Robert Duran) Reply-To: rduran@netxs.net Organization: Net XS Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joseph Stein CC: dave Subject: Re: Unwanted electronic mail is a federal crime. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joseph Stein wrote: > > The following message was received at this site multiple times. > > Under the Telecommunications Act of 1996, delivery of any unsolicited > commercial messages to any facsimile machine (which includes a computer > with a modem) is a federal crime. > > Following is the text of the message received along with the headers. > > Further receipt of messages of this type will result in calls to the > Federal Bureau of Investigation as well as the Attorney General of the > State of Nevada for prosecution of criminal charges, as well as complaints > registered with the Internet Network Information Center (InterNIC) for > an attempted removal of your domain name space from the internet. Joseph, Your letter informing me of the recent spam has been received. Ordinarily I would thank you for the information. I will instead suggest that you reserve threats of legal action to your second correspondence (after the first fails to get an appropriate response). We are professionals here at Net XS and do not take actions like SPAMming lightly. In the future, please treat us with simple common respect until we demonstrate that we are not worthy of it. I understand that when you fight spam you must often deal with troublesome administrators, I hope to not be one of them. The person guilty of this particular spam has been given notice. His server will be disconnected from the Internet by 5:00pm Pacific Standard time today. This server hosts the following known domains: vegasone.com mojave.net digitalfantasies.com xfinder.com If you have any questions, feel free to send me email. > > Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. > > >From vegasone.com!rich Thu May 1 16:38:27 1997 > Return-Path: > Received: from mail.spiritone.com(really [205.139.111.224]) by joes.users.spiritone.com > via sendmail with esmtp > id > for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:38:25 -0700 (PDT) > (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built 1997-Apr-28) > Received: from smyrno.sol.net (smyrno.sol.net [206.55.64.117]) > by ridge.spiritone.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18850 > for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:21:10 -0700 (PDT) > Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by smyrno.sol.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA03416; Thu, 1 May 1997 18:23:17 -0500 (CDT) > Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA22839; > Thu, 1 May 1997 15:49:13 -0700 (PDT) > Received: (from root@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA22741 > for current-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:47:47 -0700 (PDT) > Received: from mail.ai.com (Mail.ai.com [204.144.182.5]) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22734; > Thu, 1 May 1997 15:47:26 -0700 (PDT) > From: rich@vegasone.com > Message-Id: <199705012247.PAA22734@hub.freebsd.org> > Received: from Dial-up323 ([208.193.202.83]) by mail.ai.com > (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 0121 ID# 0-32332U1000L100S10000) > with SMTP id AAP193; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:42:50 -0600 > Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 15:39:59 PDT > Subject: Add LIVE Girls to your website! > Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG > X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Precedence: bulk > To: undisclosed-recipients:;@mail.spiritone.com > Status: RO > > Want to increase your profits by adding LIVE strippers to your adult website? > > Check out what Virtual Net Productions has to offer: > > We will provide a Live Stripshow with chat for your website starting at only $500 per month and NEVER more than $1600.00 a month!! (read on for details) > > The $500 rate is based on 744 hours (The amount of hours in a month for 1 person). - Additional hours beyond 744 will be rated at 60 cents per hour. > > You may or may not use additional hours depending on the amount of traffic you receive on your website. I can tell you that we have had our stream on over 100 different websites for the past year and only the top 10 sites exceeded 700 hours for any given month, so for the majority of adult websites our stream will never cost more than $500 per month. > > But what if you do use more? No problem cause we are capping the stream at $1600! You will never pay over $1600 no matter how many hours you use. And we are throwing in chat at no additional cost! > > So just to recap, get our stream on your website for $500 - no setup fees, you are paid in advance for the month for only $500. Then if you use more than 744 hours you pay .60 cents per hour up until you reach $1600, then you pay no more, and chat is included! > > Our stream has been used reliably on sites like Cybererotica, Sexmuseum and Newd.com just to name a few. Don't waste your money with untried services that can't match our quality or reliability, not to mention our prices! > > But don't take my word for it, see our girls in action for yourself. Just visit http://www.mojave.net/stream > > USER ID: visitor > PASSWORD: live213 > > If you need any additional information ask for Rich or Glenn.. > > Rich Olson > Virtual Net Productions > OFFICE: 1-800-314-4285 or 1-702-360-4939 > E-MAIL: rich@vegasone.com -- Robert Duran Net XS Communications Sr. Systems Administrator 3580 Polaris Ave. Suite 27 rduran@netxs.net Phone: (702)227-1501 http://www.netxs.net/ Fax: (702)227-1520 --ELM862606571-3695-0_-- From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 2 14:50:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA25272 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moonpie.w8hd.org (moonpie.w8hd.org [198.252.159.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25243 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moonpie.w8hd.org (moonpie.w8hd.org [198.252.159.14]) by moonpie.w8hd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA20030 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 17:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 17:49:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Kim Culhan To: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Live girsl at your website spam Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk When they say 'site' do they mean, uh, right here ? :) My web machine is right here at the house so was considering the possibilities.. -kc From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 2 21:34:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA11559 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11523 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA15565; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:33:57 -0700 (PDT) To: joes@spiritone.com (Joseph Stein) cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unwanted electronic mail is a federal crime. (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 May 1997 13:56:11 PDT." Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 21:33:56 -0700 Message-ID: <15563.862634036@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I got a response to my "hate" mail... It is attached for your > reading pleasure. Don't know much about this, but it _seems_ > sincere.... Guess we'll find out soon... Seems pretty sincere to me - I hope you've apologised to this guy for threatening him with The Big Stick without first giving him a chance to respond to a less threatening letter. The good guys are hard enough to find as it is without giving them all the impression that "the public" simply can't be helped, and I'd say an apology is probably in order. It looks to me like they got whacked by all this too. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 3 18:46:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA00168 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (devnull@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA00163 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id VAA08983; Sat, 3 May 1997 21:46:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 21:46:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199705040146.VAA08983@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> From: "nemo/Joel N. Weber II" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: where can I get an AST FourPort or compatible? x-lossage: losing lossage losses lossfully x-x-headers: not enough x-url: http://www.cyclic.com/~nemo x-attribution: nemo x-foobar: Don't use no double negatives, not never. Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know a good place to get an AST FourPort or compabile card? (Please reply to me personally since I'm not on this list.)