From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 4 23:57:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA07979 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 4 May 1997 23:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc8.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA07969 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 23:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de [134.130.90.6]) by ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00678; Mon, 5 May 1997 08:56:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA09146; Mon, 5 May 1997 08:56:57 +0200 (CEST) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/release Makefile References: <199705040129.SAA27032@freefall.freebsd.org> <19970504100945.ZO63593@uriah.heep.sax.de> From: Thomas Gellekum Date: 05 May 1997 08:56:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: j@uriah.heep.sax.de's message of Sun, 4 May 1997 10:09:45 +0200 Message-ID: <87enbm1k5k.fsf@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/XEmacs 19.15 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) writes: > > My DEM 0.02. Euro 0.01? tg From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 5 12:22:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA13640 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 12:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA13635 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 12:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA12968 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 5 May 1997 21:22:39 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA08642; Mon, 5 May 1997 21:18:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970505211808.PV50177@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 21:18:08 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/release Makefile References: <199705040129.SAA27032@freefall.freebsd.org> <19970504100945.ZO63593@uriah.heep.sax.de> <87enbm1k5k.fsf@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <87enbm1k5k.fsf@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de>; from Thomas Gellekum on May 5, 1997 08:56:55 +0200 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Thomas Gellekum wrote: > > My DEM 0.02. > > Euro 0.01? What's the ISO abbreviation for it? Is there already one? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 5 16:18:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA27110 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA27101 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id QAA21490 for chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:18:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 16:18:08 -0700 From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199705052318.QAA21490@kithrup.com> To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: And now for something completely different Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For anyone in britain: Ch. 4 (whatever that is) is going to be doing animated versions of two Terry Pratchett books (_Wyrd Sisters_ and _Soul Musc_). I haven't been able to find out if they will ever be released in the US. Is there any chance of someone taping them, and transferring them from PAL to VHS? I know several freebsders who would be interested (myself, obviously, and I bet Jordan as well)... Sean. From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 5 16:45:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA28225 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA28219 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA11013; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:45:55 -0700 (PDT) To: Sean Eric Fagan cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: And now for something completely different In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 May 1997 16:18:08 PDT." <199705052318.QAA21490@kithrup.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 16:45:54 -0700 Message-ID: <11011.862875954@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is there any chance of someone taping them, and transferring them > from PAL to VHS? And since the chances of anyone being willing to go to so much trouble are very very minimal, I'd be perfectly happy myself to receive tapes in PAL format and simply have them transcribed _here_. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 5 16:48:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA28363 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cc-server9.massey.ac.nz (cc-server9.massey.ac.nz [130.123.128.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA28349 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:48:02 -0700 (PDT) From: C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz Message-Id: <199705052348.QAA28349@hub.freebsd.org> Received: from tpc-pc1 by cc-server9 with SMTP(PP); Tue, 6 May 1997 11:40:52 +1200 Comments: Authenticated sender is Organization: TV Production Centre, Massey University To: Sean Eric Fagan Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:37:33 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: And now for something completely different Reply-to: C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz CC: chat@freebsd.org Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199705052318.QAA21490@kithrup.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > For anyone in britain: Ch. 4 (whatever that is) is going to be doing > animated versions of two Terry Pratchett books (_Wyrd Sisters_ > and _Soul Musc_). > > I haven't been able to find out if they will ever be released in > the US. > > Is there any chance of someone taping them, and transferring them > from PAL to VHS? That would of course be PAL to NTSC, but I think we knew what you meant. -- C. -- Craig Harding Acting Director, Massey University Television Production Centre "I don't know about God, I just think we're handmade" - Polly From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 5 16:50:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA28502 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA28496 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brother.ludd.luth.se.ludd (smurfen@brother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.78]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA27658; Tue, 6 May 1997 01:50:34 +0200 Received: from localhost by brother.ludd.luth.se.ludd (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07126; Tue, 6 May 97 01:50:32 +0200 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 01:50:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ola Persson To: Sean Eric Fagan Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: And now for something completely different In-Reply-To: <199705052318.QAA21490@kithrup.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 5 May 1997, Sean Eric Fagan wrote: > Is there any chance of someone taping them, and transferring them > from PAL to VHS? Ehmmm..... you mean PAL to NTSC ? VHS has to do with video tapes, you can use a VHS tape in either NTSC or PAL. /Ola From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 5 16:58:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA28830 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA28825 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07958; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705052358.QAA07958@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Sean Eric Fagan , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: And now for something completely different In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 May 1997 16:45:54 PDT." <11011.862875954@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 16:58:08 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Why don't you use FreeBSD ??? Just get a Bt848 based card like Hauppage's WinCast TV (the PAL version) and if you have a PAL VCR you are all set 8) Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of "Jordan K. Hubbard" : > > Is there any chance of someone taping them, and transferring them > > from PAL to VHS? > > And since the chances of anyone being willing to go to so much trouble > are very very minimal, I'd be perfectly happy myself to receive tapes > in PAL format and simply have them transcribed _here_. :-) > > Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 5 17:03:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29237 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 17:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (joelh@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA29232 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 17:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id UAA21826; Mon, 5 May 1997 20:02:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 20:02:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199705060002.UAA21826@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz CC: sef@Kithrup.COM, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199705052348.QAA28349@hub.freebsd.org> (C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz) Subject: Re: And now for something completely different From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Is there any chance of someone taping them, and transferring them >> from PAL to VHS? >That would of course be PAL to NTSC, but I think we knew what you >meant. I have no intention of throwing you a cable that far. I think the misunderstanding was about what PAL is, not what NTSC is. Happy hacking, joelh -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the Free Software Foundation's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 5 17:04:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29311 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 17:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CU-SeeMe.educ.utas.edu.au (cu-seeme.educ.utas.edu.au [144.6.16.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29305 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 17:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (iaint@localhost) by CU-SeeMe.educ.utas.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA08556; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:03:29 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 10:03:28 +1000 (EST) From: Iain Templeton To: Sean Eric Fagan cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: And now for something completely different In-Reply-To: <199705052318.QAA21490@kithrup.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 5 May 1997, Sean Eric Fagan wrote: > For anyone in britain: Ch. 4 (whatever that is) is going to be doing > animated versions of two Terry Pratchett books (_Wyrd Sisters_ > and _Soul Musc_). > BBC Channel 4, its the ah, same channel who show other things like "Drop The Dead Donkey" (no idea if you get the over there either). I guess someone in the UK could give a breakdown of what all the BBC channels do, but I think 4 might be the more "alternative" - the do doco's and comedy etc...of course I could be completely wrong. > I haven't been able to find out if they will ever be released in > the US. > Well, with any luck they'll be on TV in Australia... > Is there any chance of someone taping them, and transferring them > from PAL to VHS? > > I know several freebsders who would be interested (myself, obviously, > and I bet Jordan as well)... > Even if somebody doesn't, the BBC generally put all these sort of things on video eventually (but it might take a while). Iain. From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 5 17:06:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29439 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 17:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29434 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 17:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA11173; Mon, 5 May 1997 17:06:45 -0700 (PDT) To: Amancio Hasty cc: Sean Eric Fagan , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: And now for something completely different In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 May 1997 16:58:08 PDT." <199705052358.QAA07958@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 17:06:45 -0700 Message-ID: <11171.862877205@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Why don't you use FreeBSD ??? > > Just get a Bt848 based card like Hauppage's WinCast TV (the PAL version) and > if you have a PAL VCR you are all set 8) You assume a lot. :-) My last PAL capable VCR fell prey to a pissed-off (literally) cat about 6 months ago. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 5 17:17:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29931 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 17:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29923 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 17:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id TAA25504; Mon, 5 May 1997 19:17:38 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199705060017.TAA25504@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: And now for something completely different In-Reply-To: <199705052318.QAA21490@kithrup.com> from Sean Eric Fagan at "May 5, 97 04:18:08 pm" To: sef@Kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 19:17:38 -0500 (EST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > For anyone in britain: Ch. 4 (whatever that is) is going to be doing > animated versions of two Terry Pratchett books (_Wyrd Sisters_ > and _Soul Musc_). > > I haven't been able to find out if they will ever be released in > the US. > > Is there any chance of someone taping them, and transferring them > from PAL to VHS? > > I know several freebsders who would be interested (myself, obviously, > and I bet Jordan as well)... > One comment (I am not interested in the show content, but two orthogonal standards were mentioned.) VHS -- Somewhat lousy consumer video tape standard. Its bigger cousin S-VHS trades lousy resolution for higher resolution but terrible signal to noise ratio (and aliasing due to FM wrap around zero Hz.) VHS is used in PAL, NTSC, and SECAM countries. PAL -- Slightly advanced color standard over the NTSC (US) color standard. Provides less sensitivity to phase shifts that cause hue errors in video than NTSC color does. (PAL trades vertical color resolution for an improvement in color.) The video systems that use PAL typically have a vertical refresh of 25/50 Hz vs. 30/60 Hz for NTSC. That, with the greater bandwidth allocations given by the countries that use PAL, gives PAL a generally sharper picture, with terrible flicker. (There are newer TVs in the 50Hz countries that get rid of the flicker by refreshing the screen twice as fast -- I see the flicker from 60Hz TVs and especially computer monitors.) Used in Germany and England. (Slightly different channel and bandwidth allocations though.) (The PAL video from Europe without comb filters looks as good as (or better) than NTSC video with comb filters -- except for flicker.) SECAM -- A very different color standard. Used in France and Russia. The SECAM color signal is very robust, but has more color/luma interference. The SECAM signal is also more difficult to mix, and early-on, many studios producing SECAM video used PAL origination equipment. Note that SECAM is so robust that you can almost record it on a tape recorder w/o time base correction, and still get color. Neither NTSC color or PAL color can make that claim. So much for the video lesson. John From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 5 18:00:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03031 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 18:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03026; Mon, 5 May 1997 18:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08507; Mon, 5 May 1997 18:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705060100.SAA08507@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG cc: sef@Kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan), chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: And now for something completely different In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 May 1997 19:17:38 CDT." <199705060017.TAA25504@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 18:00:28 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of "John S. Dyson" : I bet someone like you would love the Bt848 chipset, supports PAL, SECAM, NTSC, NTSC-M. Plenty of knobs to manipulate the video stream and the PCI bus. Programmable dma controller . All in one chip 8) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 5 18:31:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA04406 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 18:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from antares.aero.org (antares.aero.org [130.221.192.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA04397 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 18:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anpiel.aero.org (anpiel.aero.org [130.221.196.66]) by antares.aero.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA04714 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 18:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anpiel.aero.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by anpiel.aero.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA13258 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 18:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705060127.SAA13258@anpiel.aero.org> To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: And now for something completely different In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 May 1997 17:17:38 PDT." <199705060017.TAA25504@dyson.iquest.net> Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 18:27:58 -0700 From: "Mike O'Brien" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, I can mention that on my recent trip to London I picked up the complete miniseries of _Neverwhere_, scripted by _The Sandman_'s Neil Gaiman. Gotta get that transferred one of these fine days. Mike O'Brien From owner-freebsd-chat Mon May 5 23:39:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA19782 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 May 1997 23:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gadget.nla.gov.au (gadget.nla.gov.au [203.4.201.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19777 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 23:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (cmakin@localhost) by gadget.nla.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA20892 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 16:38:40 +1000 (AEST) X-Authentication-Warning: gadget.nla.gov.au: cmakin owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 16:38:39 +1000 (AEST) From: Carl Makin To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: And now for something completely different In-Reply-To: <199705060017.TAA25504@dyson.iquest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 5 May 1997, John S. Dyson wrote: > SECAM -- A very different color standard. Used in France and Russia. My TAFE teacher used to refer to SECAM as "Something Essentially Contrary to the American Method" and claimed it was created for much the same reason French Helicoptors main rotors go the opposite way to US designs. Carl. -- Carl Makin 'Work +61 6 262 1576' "Speaking for myself only!" From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 6 03:12:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA02526 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 6 May 1997 03:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw.qualitysemi.com (gw.qualitysemi.com [206.86.28.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA02510 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 03:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.qualitysemi.com (mailhost.qualitysemi.com [206.86.28.11]) by gw.qualitysemi.com (8.8.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA19453; Tue, 6 May 1997 03:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sun1.qsa.qualitysemi.com ([203.14.118.128]) by mailhost.qualitysemi.com (8.8.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA16473; Mon, 5 May 1997 20:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (julianj@localhost) by sun1.qsa.qualitysemi.com with SMTP id NAA18432 (8.7.5/IDA-1.6); Tue, 6 May 1997 13:17:45 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 13:17:45 +1000 (EST) From: "Julian Jenkins (QSA)" X-Sender: julianj@sun1 To: Iain Templeton cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: And now for something completely different In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 6 May 1997, Iain Templeton wrote: > BBC Channel 4, its the ah, same channel who show other things like "Drop > Even if somebody doesn't, the BBC generally put all these sort of things Channel 4 is not BBC. Kaveman From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 6 07:07:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA12304 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 6 May 1997 07:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fgate.flevel.co.uk (root@fgate.flevel.co.uk [194.6.101.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA12270; Tue, 6 May 1997 07:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (fxhtml@localhost) by fgate.flevel.co.uk (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA05267; Tue, 6 May 1997 15:07:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 15:07:40 +0100 (BST) From: FXHTML User To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: BETA Testers Wanted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Fourth Level Developments are looking for a number of beta testers for their FXHTML product. If you have a bit of time and a FreeBSD machine running either Apache or Cern WWW server then you would be suitable. FXHTML is a server side extension to HTML that in most cases eliminates the need for cgi scripting. Take a look at: http://www.flevel.co.uk/fxhtml for more details. If you are interested then please email: fxhtml@flevel.co.uk Thankyou. Trefor Southwell. Fourth Level Developments LTD. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 6 08:00:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA15031 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 6 May 1997 08:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from croute.com (ishm2.croute.com [199.97.106.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA15011 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 08:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bldg1.croute.com by croute.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04387; Tue, 6 May 97 10:06:07 CDT Received: from COMPUROUTE/SpoolDir by bldg1.croute.com (Mercury 1.31); 6 May 97 10:06:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from SpoolDir by COMPUROUTE (Mercury 1.31); 6 May 97 10:05:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Larry Dolinar" Organization: CompuRoute, Inc. To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 10:05:50 -0600 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: And now for something completely different X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Larry Dolinar" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal References: <199705052318.QAA21490@kithrup.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <174FC407B25@bldg1.croute.com> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk And the clouds parted on 6 May 97, and Iain Templeton said: >On Mon, 5 May 1997, Sean Eric Fagan wrote: > >BBC Channel 4, its the ah, same channel who show other things like "Drop >The Dead Donkey" (no idea if you get the over there either). I guess Comedy Channel carried it for awhile... From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 6 09:37:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA20210 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 6 May 1997 09:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk (root@pillar.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20205 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 09:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27694 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 17:34:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from cadair.elsevier.co.uk by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 6 May 1997 17:38:09 +0100 Received: from tees.elsevier.co.uk (tees.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.60]) by cadair.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27418; Tue, 6 May 1997 17:38:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from dpr@localhost) by tees.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA07653; Tue, 6 May 1997 17:38:01 +0100 (BST) To: Iain Templeton Cc: Sean Eric Fagan , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: And now for something completely different References: From: Paul Richards Date: 06 May 1997 17:38:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: Iain Templeton's message of Tue, 6 May 1997 10:03:28 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <57rafkr1xz.fsf@tees.elsevier.co.uk> Lines: 68 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/Emacs 19.30 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Iain Templeton writes: > On Mon, 5 May 1997, Sean Eric Fagan wrote: > > > For anyone in britain: Ch. 4 (whatever that is) is going to be doing > > animated versions of two Terry Pratchett books (_Wyrd Sisters_ > > and _Soul Musc_). > > > BBC Channel 4, its the ah, same channel who show other things like "Drop > The Dead Donkey" (no idea if you get the over there either). I guess > someone in the UK could give a breakdown of what all the BBC channels do, > but I think 4 might be the more "alternative" - the do doco's and comedy > etc...of course I could be completely wrong. Umm, Channel 4 isn't in any way related to the BBC. A brief, and not essentially completely accurate, description of the UK TV scene follows. There is the British Broadcasting Corporation, which is a govt financed broadcaster (although I think these days it gets extra revenue from commercial sponsorship although there are controls over what it can and can't do to raise money). All owners of receiving equipment in the UK are required to hold a TV license, the money from which is supposed to be used to finance (partially) the BBC. The BBC has two channels, BBC 1 and BBC 2. There is also a commercial network which is under the umbrella name of ITV (Independant TV). It is made up of a whole number of regional broadcasting companies who work together to support a national channel but with some regional programming. These companies are granted franchises from the govt to broadcast (every 5 years I think) and they are financed entirely from advertising. There's for some reason a separate franchise for early morning broadcasting i.e. before 9 a.m. For many years there were just these 3 channels. Then (about 10-15 years ago now I think, time passes quickly :-)) the govt decided it was going to issue another franchise for a fourth channel that was largely to be financed from advertising but I think has been receiving a subsidy from the govt as well. It was given the really imaginative name of "Channel 4" and yes, it does produce more "alternative" programming. At the same time they created a Welsh channel 4 which shares many programs with Channel 4 but also produces some Welsh language programming (you won't get a very polite reply from me if you ask what Welsh is but as a clue, the UK is not synonymous with England despite what some US citizens may think or for that matter some English). Just to keep you up to date. Last month another channel was launched called, "Channel 5" which is also an advertising financed channel. After 18 years of Conservative govt. the trend has very much been away from govt. financed broadcasting so all new channels are franchised to companies, even the BBC has faced considerable change with much more emphasis on program sponsorship (but it doesn't have advertising slots like the commercial stations or US stations, it has very low key program sponsorship, you'll get a little message on the weather bulletins for instance saying that the bulletin is sponsored by some company or other). The amount of money being granted to the BBC has I think been in steady decline. A fairly obvious indication is the number of major sporting events that it has lost the contracts for, either to the commercial stations or the satellite stations. -- Dr Paul Richards. [p.richards@elsevier.co.uk] Originative Solutions Ltd. [paul@originat.demon.co.uk] Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 (0)1865 843155 (Elsevier) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 6 10:05:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA21765 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (root@carlton.innotts.co.uk [194.176.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21758 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [194.176.130.6] (serialA05.innotts.co.uk [194.176.130.6]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18520; Tue, 6 May 1997 18:05:00 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: robmel@mailhost.innotts.co.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199705052318.QAA21490@kithrup.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 18:05:08 +0100 To: Sean Eric Fagan , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Robin Melville Subject: Re: And now for something completely different Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:18 am +0100 6/5/97, Sean Eric Fagan wrote: >For anyone in britain: Ch. 4 (whatever that is) is going to be doing >animated versions of two Terry Pratchett books (_Wyrd Sisters_ >and _Soul Musc_). You wouldn't also happen to know when they're on... I'll make sure to watch them, and be thinking of you when they're on :) Rob. PS. be happy to tape them, but you'll have to get the conversion done yourself. However, I've never yet had a tape/floppy get through customs X-ray/general handling without being erased. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 6 11:41:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27425 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diazepam.gnu.ai.mit.edu (root@diazepam.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27417 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by diazepam.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id OAA17250; Tue, 6 May 1997 14:38:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 14:38:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199705061838.OAA17250@diazepam.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: robmel@innotts.co.uk CC: sef@Kithrup.COM, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Robin Melville on Tue, 6 May 1997 18:05:08 +0100) Subject: Re: And now for something completely different From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > PS. be happy to tape them, but you'll have to get the conversion done > yourself. However, I've never yet had a tape/floppy get through > customs X-ray/general handling without being erased. I generally mark "Magnetic media enclosed - Do not X-Ray" on my packages. I don't know if it's helped, but I haven't had a tape or floppy nuked yet. -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the Free Software Foundation's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 6 11:41:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27460 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diazepam.gnu.ai.mit.edu (joelh@diazepam.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27453 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by diazepam.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id OAA17250; Tue, 6 May 1997 14:38:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 14:38:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199705061838.OAA17250@diazepam.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: robmel@innotts.co.uk CC: sef@Kithrup.COM, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Robin Melville on Tue, 6 May 1997 18:05:08 +0100) Subject: Re: And now for something completely different From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > PS. be happy to tape them, but you'll have to get the conversion done > yourself. However, I've never yet had a tape/floppy get through > customs X-ray/general handling without being erased. I generally mark "Magnetic media enclosed - Do not X-Ray" on my packages. I don't know if it's helped, but I haven't had a tape or floppy nuked yet. -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the Free Software Foundation's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 6 12:20:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29548 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 6 May 1997 12:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blue.bad.bris.ac.uk (blue.bad.bris.ac.uk [137.222.132.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29531 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 12:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18302 invoked by uid 57242); 6 May 1997 19:22:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 20:22:06 +0100 (BST) From: Aled Treharne Reply-To: felix@royal.net To: Robin Melville cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: And now for something completely different In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 6 May 1997, Robin Melville wrote: > PS. be happy to tape them, but you'll have to get the conversion done > yourself. However, I've never yet had a tape/floppy get through customs > X-ray/general handling without being erased. > I've found that if you wrap the offending object in bubble-wrap, then an envelope and put on the envelope something scarily technical like: "Magnetic Data Storage Media enclosed - DO NOT X-RAY! For details on contents please contact: " They'll be too scared and won't x-ray it. I have had several phone calls from HM Customs (UK) asking me what was in the package, but after telling them they usually say ok, and let it through unharmed. Dunno if anyone else has any experience of other countries' Customs. BTW, on the subject of Channel 4, I would like to thank whoever it was that pointed out the difference between Wales, England and the UK, although I'm not sure of their comment! :) S4C (the Welsh version of Channel 4) is a *very* alternative channel with some very strange things on late at night ( like The Word - a pathetic attempt at combining after-watershed events and a talkshow). I haven't watched a lot of Channel 4, so I can't comment on it, but S4C is mainly Welsh language programs. Aled Treharne felix@royal.net "Big Bird meets Salvador Dali has been brought to you by the numbers L and ), and by the letter 3." For PGP Public key finger taff@blue.bad.bris.ac.uk From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 6 12:39:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00461 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 6 May 1997 12:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net (kalypso.cybercom.net [206.28.134.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00453 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 12:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell1.cybercom.net (ksmm@shell1.cybercom.net [206.28.134.6]) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22165 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 15:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ksmm@localhost) by shell1.cybercom.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA19526 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 15:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 15:39:24 -0400 (EDT) From: The Classiest Man Alive To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Users' Groups Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone started a FreeBSD Users' Group in his/her local area? I'm considering starting one, and I want ideas on the best way(s) to go about that as well as an idea of how much time I'll need to commit. Thanks, K.S. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 6 15:47:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10711 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 6 May 1997 15:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CU-SeeMe.educ.utas.edu.au (cu-seeme.educ.utas.edu.au [144.6.16.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10705 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 15:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (iaint@localhost) by CU-SeeMe.educ.utas.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA05147; Wed, 7 May 1997 08:46:47 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:46:45 +1000 (EST) From: Iain Templeton To: Paul Richards cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: And now for something completely different In-Reply-To: <57rafkr1xz.fsf@tees.elsevier.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 6 May 1997, Paul Richards wrote: > Umm, Channel 4 isn't in any way related to the BBC. A brief, and not > essentially completely accurate, description of the UK TV scene follows. > Oh well, 'spose thats what happens with unimaginitive names. I sort of discovered that it wasn't part of the BBC AFTER I sent the message, 'spose I'm just an Uninformed Aussie... > For many years there were just these 3 channels. Then (about 10-15 > years ago now I think, time passes quickly :-)) the govt decided it > was going to issue another franchise for a fourth channel that was > largely to be financed from advertising but I think has been receiving > a subsidy from the govt as well. It was given the really imaginative > name of "Channel 4" and yes, it does produce more "alternative" > programming. At the same time they created a Welsh channel 4 which > shares many programs with Channel 4 but also produces some Welsh > language programming (you won't get a very polite reply from me if you > ask what Welsh is but as a clue, the UK is not synonymous with England > despite what some US citizens may think or for that matter some > English). > Ah Welsh, isn't that the language with no vowels :-) ? (Probably a dangerous comment) I know that here, (for the moment anyway), no one person (or company) is allowed to own more than one major television station or newspaper in the same city. Although there is quite a bit of discussion that this should change to allow one TV and one paper. > Just to keep you up to date. Last month another channel was launched > called, "Channel 5" which is also an advertising financed channel. > After 18 years of Conservative govt. the trend has very much been away > from govt. financed broadcasting so all new channels are franchised to > companies, even the BBC has faced considerable change with much more > emphasis on program sponsorship (but it doesn't have advertising slots > like the commercial stations or US stations, it has very low key > program sponsorship, you'll get a little message on the weather > bulletins for instance saying that the bulletin is sponsored by some > company or other). > The SBS in Australia could have once been non-advertising, but now they do have ads, but only between programs (and generally the ads are much more interesting than the ads on commercial stations. > The amount of money being granted to the BBC has I think been in > steady decline. A fairly obvious indication is the number of major > sporting events that it has lost the contracts for, either to the > commercial stations or the satellite stations. > Ah yes, Formula1, and they lost Murray Walker with it. (My dad and I were a bit worried about who would do the F1 commentry, it wouldn't have seemed the same without Murray...) The same sort of thing happens here with the ABC, especially with the "yet more" forthcoming budget cuts. (So much so they are cutting "The Bill" for one week to show the budget). From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 6 17:24:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA15876 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 6 May 1997 17:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blue.bad.bris.ac.uk (blue.bad.bris.ac.uk [137.222.132.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA15871 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 17:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19491 invoked by uid 57242); 7 May 1997 00:26:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 01:26:35 +0100 (BST) From: Aled Treharne Reply-To: felix@royal.net To: Iain Templeton cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: And now for something completely different In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 7 May 1997, Iain Templeton wrote: > Ah Welsh, isn't that the language with no vowels :-) ? > (Probably a dangerous comment) Ah, yes, you're right, that was a very dangerous comment. In fact, you'll find that the Welsh language has seven vowels (aeiowy) and also a few extra letters in the alphabet (ll,ng,ch...). I won't go on about how the language has been abused (you've probably heard it all before anyway), so I'll hand the soapbox over to someone on this mailing list who is more qualified than me to talk about it. So, I'll sign off with a `G'day, matey!' :) Aled Treharne felix@royal.net "Big Bird meets Salvador Dali has been brought to you by the numbers L and ), and by the letter 3." For PGP Public key finger taff@blue.bad.bris.ac.uk From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 6 17:50:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA17028 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 6 May 1997 17:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17023 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 17:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA06003; Tue, 6 May 1997 17:50:22 -0700 (PDT) To: The Classiest Man Alive cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Users' Groups In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 May 1997 15:39:24 EDT." Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 17:50:21 -0700 Message-ID: <6001.862966221@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Has anyone started a FreeBSD Users' Group in his/her local area? I'm Ian Kallen recently started the freebsd-sf group with some success. Contact info at: http://www.arachna.com/freebsd/freebsd-sf.html Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 6 20:13:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA26977 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 6 May 1997 20:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CU-SeeMe.educ.utas.edu.au (cu-seeme.educ.utas.edu.au [144.6.16.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26972 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 20:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (iaint@localhost) by CU-SeeMe.educ.utas.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA06055; Wed, 7 May 1997 13:14:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:14:13 +1000 (EST) From: Iain Templeton To: felix@royal.net cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: And now for something completely different In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 7 May 1997, Aled Treharne wrote: > On Wed, 7 May 1997, Iain Templeton wrote: > > Ah Welsh, isn't that the language with no vowels :-) ? > > (Probably a dangerous comment) > Ah, yes, you're right, that was a very dangerous comment. > > In fact, you'll find that the Welsh language has seven vowels (aeiowy) and > also a few extra letters in the alphabet (ll,ng,ch...). I won't go on > about how the language has been abused (you've probably heard it all > before anyway), so I'll hand the soapbox over to someone on this mailing > list who is more qualified than me to talk about it. > Well that explains why it LOOKS like there aren't any vowels, obviously the y and w are fairly common... I don't think that there is any language that hasn't been abused. > So, I'll sign off with a `G'day, matey!' :) > Close, but prober ocker Australian would just be G'day mate. (No 'y') Plus you make the vowels so short in some cases, that the words seem to not have them (I don't know whether that is an Aust/NZ trait, or is common in most english derivatives). I won't even start with the NZ jokes. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 6 22:11:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA01700 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 6 May 1997 22:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cc-server9.massey.ac.nz (cc-server9.massey.ac.nz [130.123.128.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01695 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 22:11:09 -0700 (PDT) From: C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz Message-Id: <199705070511.WAA01695@hub.freebsd.org> Received: from tpc-pc1 by cc-server9 with SMTP(PP); Wed, 7 May 1997 16:00:27 +1200 Comments: Authenticated sender is Organization: TV Production Centre, Massey University To: Iain Templeton Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 16:00:26 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: And now for something completely different Reply-to: C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz CC: chat@freebsd.org Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Iain Templeton writes: > Plus you make the vowels so short in some cases, that the words seem to > not have them (I don't know whether that is an Aust/NZ trait, or is common > in most english derivatives). I think it's primarily an anitipodean thing. And we're much better at it than you aussies! (Hmm, not sure if that's really a point of pride....) > I won't even start with the NZ jokes. Good. -- C. -- Craig Harding Acting Director, Massey University Television Production Centre "I don't know about God, I just think we're handmade" - Polly From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 7 13:55:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16854 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 7 May 1997 13:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (taob@tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca [207.181.89.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16849 for ; Wed, 7 May 1997 13:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA18177; Wed, 7 May 1997 16:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 16:53:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: FXHTML User cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BETA Testers Wanted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 6 May 1997, FXHTML User wrote: > > FXHTML is a server side extension to HTML that in most cases > eliminates the need for cgi scripting. Take a look at: > http://www.flevel.co.uk/fxhtml for more details. How is it better than something like PHP or Aestiva? -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@netcom.ca) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 8 01:34:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA16037 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 May 1997 01:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fgate.flevel.co.uk (root@fgate.flevel.co.uk [194.6.101.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA16032 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 01:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (fxhtml@localhost) by fgate.flevel.co.uk (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA04285; Thu, 8 May 1997 09:33:57 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:33:57 +0100 (BST) From: FXHTML User To: Brian Tao cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BETA Testers Wanted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 7 May 1997, Brian Tao wrote: > > FXHTML is a server side extension to HTML that in most cases > > eliminates the need for cgi scripting. Take a look at: > > http://www.flevel.co.uk/fxhtml for more details. > > How is it better than something like PHP or Aestiva? If you compare the examples of FXHTML source code to Aestiva you will notice the difference. FXHTML allows you to write your pages in an extended HTML command set rather than a meta language which will confuse the hell out of non programmers. FXHTML also offers many features such as database handling, bitmap creation and connections to other hosts. Regards, Trefor S. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 8 07:07:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA28655 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 May 1997 07:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA28642 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 07:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with UUCP id QAA05309; Thu, 8 May 1997 16:00:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) id OAA19347; Thu, 8 May 1997 14:17:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970508141714.25598@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 14:17:14 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: FXHTML User Cc: Brian Tao , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BETA Testers Wanted References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: ; from FXHTML User on Thu, May 08, 1997 at 09:33:57AM +0100 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, May 08, 1997 at 09:33:57AM +0100, FXHTML User wrote: > > > On Wed, 7 May 1997, Brian Tao wrote: > > > > FXHTML is a server side extension to HTML that in most cases > > > eliminates the need for cgi scripting. Take a look at: > > > http://www.flevel.co.uk/fxhtml for more details. ERROR The requested URL could not be retrieved While trying to retrieve the URL: http://www.flevel.co.uk/fxhtml/ The following error was encountered: DNS name lookup failure The system returned: Name Server for domain 'www.flevel.co.uk' is unavailable. This means that: The named host probably does not exist. Generated by squid/1.1.8@proxy.gtn.com -- Andreas Klemm | klemm.gtn.com - powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/benches.html From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 8 07:15:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA29026 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 May 1997 07:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (root@cais.com [199.0.216.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA29020 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 07:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.mat.net (root@earth.mat.net [205.252.122.1]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05207 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 10:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Journey2.mat.net (journey2.mat.net [205.252.122.116]) by earth.mat.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA28592 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 10:15:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:14:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: New IBM public key algorithm (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is another forward from the crypto list (of which you've probably seen me post before). This one is of interest because it's an entirely new public key crypto system, and the http is a pointer to a mathematical description. I haven't had time yet to go into it, but the description seems pretty complete. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:33:00 -0500 From: Bob Geiger To: coderpunks@toad.com, cryptography@c2.net Subject: New IBM public key algorithm On May 7, IBM announced that two of its research scientists created the world's first public-key encryption scheme that provides a mathematically proven uniform level of protection for keeping confidential computer data private. from- http://www.ibm.com/News/1997/05/ls970507.html If they can make it practical from a speed/resources perspective this will be very interesting (and you thought elliptic curve math was complicated! ;-) Interesting work. Bob Geiger Motorola, Inc. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 8 08:41:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA03757 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 May 1997 08:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (taob@tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca [207.181.89.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03752 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 08:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA02020; Thu, 8 May 1997 11:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:39:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: Andreas Klemm cc: FXHTML User , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BETA Testers Wanted In-Reply-To: <19970508141714.25598@klemm.gtn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 8 May 1997, Andreas Klemm wrote: > > Name Server for domain 'www.flevel.co.uk' is unavailable. Try it again: % host www.flevel.co.uk www.flevel.co.uk is a nickname for fgate.flevel.co.uk fgate.flevel.co.uk has address 194.6.101.2 fgate.flevel.co.uk mail is handled (pri=0) by fgate.flevel.co.uk fgate.flevel.co.uk mail is handled (pri=10) by westgate.flevel.co.uk fgate.flevel.co.uk mail is handled (pri=20) by mail.tcom.co.uk fgate.flevel.co.uk mail is handled (pri=30) by mail.uu.net -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@netcom.ca) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 8 09:06:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA04930 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 May 1997 09:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fgate.flevel.co.uk (root@fgate.flevel.co.uk [194.6.101.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04925 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 09:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (fxhtml@localhost) by fgate.flevel.co.uk (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA10962; Thu, 8 May 1997 17:05:57 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 17:05:57 +0100 (BST) From: FXHTML User To: Andreas Klemm cc: Brian Tao , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BETA Testers Wanted In-Reply-To: <19970508141714.25598@klemm.gtn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 8 May 1997, Andreas Klemm wrote: > While trying to retrieve the URL: http://www.flevel.co.uk/fxhtml/ > > The following error was encountered: > > DNS name lookup failure > > The system returned: > > Name Server for domain 'www.flevel.co.uk' is unavailable. > > This means that: > > The named host probably does not exist. I suggest you try again, I think there was some network problems at our providers side this morning. The host does exist. Regards, Trefor S. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 8 10:08:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08057 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 May 1997 10:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (labs.usn.blaze.net.au [203.17.53.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08051 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 10:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (local [127.0.0.1]) by labs.usn.blaze.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA00783; Fri, 9 May 1997 03:07:39 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199705081707.DAA00783@labs.usn.blaze.net.au> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc group In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 May 1997 14:20:09 +0200." <19970508142009.GW06885@uriah.heep.sax.de> X-Face: (W@z~5kg?"+5?!2kHP)+l369.~a@oTl^8l87|/s8"EH?Uk~P#N+Ec~Z&@;'LL!;3?y Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 03:07:38 +1000 From: David Nugent Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As Stephen McKay wrote: > > > So, what you're implying is that when the administrator installs dtmail, > > they see an informative message: > > > > Deleting incompatible mail packages: elm, pine, mh, mail.local > > Converting sendmail.cf for use with dtmail... > > ``Reverting your system to permanently insecure mode. Is this not > what you don't want? (y/y)'' Oh come on... if you're going to go into Tiawanese VCR instruction booklet mode, you have to go ALL the way... "Reverting system to insecure mode impermanantly not is proper. Please to consult handbook on installation for other. Isn't this not what you don't want to not do? (y/y)" Regards, David "torchered English is my second language" Nugent David Nugent - Unique Computing Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia Voice +61-3-9791-9547 Data/BBS +61-3-9792-3507 3:632/348@fidonet davidn@freebsd.org davidn@blaze.net.au http://www.blaze.net.au/~davidn/ From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 9 00:18:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA17521 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 00:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au (daemon@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au [130.102.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA17516 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 00:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA20037; Fri, 9 May 1997 17:18:07 +1000 Received: from troll.devetir.qld.gov.au by ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.7.5/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id RAA20363; Fri, 9 May 1997 17:18:38 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (syssgm@localhost) by troll.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA08152; Fri, 9 May 1997 17:18:35 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199705090718.RAA08152@troll.devetir.qld.gov.au> X-Authentication-Warning: troll.devetir.qld.gov.au: syssgm@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: John Polstra cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: Users of CVSup2.FreeBSD.ORG please read! References: <199705090546.WAA25223@austin.polstra.com> In-Reply-To: <199705090546.WAA25223@austin.polstra.com> from John Polstra at "Thu, 08 May 1997 22:46:11 -0700" Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 17:18:34 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thursday, 8th May 1997, John Polstra wrote: >CVSup2.FreeBSD.ORG developed RAM problems beginning May 7, 1997. >The problems have now been fixed, but while they lasted some file >corruption occurred. This took the form of little 1-bit errors >scattered through a number of files, including some served by CVSup. Translation: "Owner of CVSup2.FreeBSD.ORG foolishly purchased non-parity system and inflicted results on unsuspecting world." 1/2 :-) I keep telling people to buy parity or ECC and they just look at me strangely. "Duh, like it costs more, man, and like I've never seen parity make a difference in Quake Frame Rate scores." Maybe I should get some new friends... Should we have a witch hunt among *.FreeBSD.ORG and wave accusing fingers at any other non-parity folks? :-) Stephen "ECC or bust" McKay From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 9 00:47:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA18742 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 00:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA18736 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 00:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA17194 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 00:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA24623; Fri, 9 May 1997 09:41:24 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03287; Fri, 9 May 1997 09:20:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970509092010.CR64560@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:20:10 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: jbryant@tfs.net Subject: Re: ESCAPE! Florida Cruise/Vacation $598/4 People References: <193702170025.GAA08056@mailhost.local.com> <199705090205.VAA10188@argus> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199705090205.VAA10188@argus>; from Jim Bryant on May 8, 1997 21:05:01 -0500 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (Moved to -chat, and _please_ don't make this a long thread.) As Jim Bryant wrote: > > From: GETAWAY@FL-CRUISE.com > > Date: Thu, 08 May 97 15:24:58 EST > > To: FL-GET@WAY.com > > Subject: ESCAPE! Florida Cruise/Vacation $598/4 People > > anyone bother to do a whois on these... Better bother to read the headers... italy.it.earthlink.net. No much hope except for banning their IP network. That's already on the way. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 9 02:39:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA23484 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 02:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA23466 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 02:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA25469; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:14:01 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03543; Fri, 9 May 1997 09:59:48 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970509095948.OP27541@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:59:48 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: jgrosch@sirius.com Cc: jbryant@tfs.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ESCAPE! Florida Cruise/Vacation $598/4 People References: <199705090516.AAA00327@argus> <199705090642.XAA21847@superior.mooseriver.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199705090642.XAA21847@superior.mooseriver.com>; from Josef Grosch on May 8, 1997 23:42:47 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Josef Grosch wrote: > Your intentions are noble and to be commended. As a person who first started > reading netnews in 1984 I have gotten very tired of the spam clogging up > netnews and the mailing lists I read. However, I don't think spaming > congress is going to help. Move this to chat, or stop it! -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 9 09:10:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA12670 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 09:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12645 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 09:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29058; Fri, 9 May 1997 09:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705091609.JAA29058@austin.polstra.com> To: Stephen McKay cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Users of CVSup2.FreeBSD.ORG please read! In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 May 1997 17:18:34 +1000." <199705090718.RAA08152@troll.devetir.qld.gov.au> References: <199705090546.WAA25223@austin.polstra.com> <199705090718.RAA08152@troll.devetir.qld.gov.au> Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 09:09:54 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Translation: > > "Owner of CVSup2.FreeBSD.ORG foolishly purchased non-parity system > and inflicted results on unsuspecting world." > > 1/2 :-) With or without the smiley, that is really a cheap shot. The people who run our mirror sites give up 500 MB of disk storage, lots of CPU cycles, a not-insignificant portion of their network bandwidth, and ongoing hours of their free time to support us. In return they get nothing. Repeat: nothing. They don't even get the name recognition of a typical committer. There is only one thing that is appropriate to say to these people: "Thank you." Try it some time. And in the future when you have a point to make, please don't make it at the expense of our volunteers. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 9 10:26:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA17350 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mars.aros.net (mars.aros.net [207.173.16.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17345 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.aros.net (root@shell.aros.net [207.173.16.19]) by mars.aros.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA14269; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:26:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.aros.net (msanders@localhost.aros.net [127.0.0.1]) by shell.aros.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21335; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:26:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199705091726.LAA21335@shell.aros.net> X-Attribution: msanders To: Eivind Eklund cc: jgrosch@sirius.com, jbryant@tfs.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ESCAPE! Florida Cruise/Vacation $598/4 People In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 May 1997 11:31:03 +0200." <199705090931.LAA02174@bitbox.follo.net> X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3 Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 11:26:55 -0600 From: "Michael K. Sanders" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199705090931.LAA02174@bitbox.follo.net>, Eivind Eklund writes: >I'm going farther than that. Next time I reconfigure the router >(which will be in about two weeks) I'm going to block out all of >agis.net. And inform them of it. And why. You might want to look into 'subscribing' to Paul Vixie's eBGP blackhole spam feed as well. >Make it unprofitable to give IP feeds to spammers. That is a much >more powerful hold - if a provider knows that they will get blocked >from a lot of routers for _all_ their traffic, and thus quite a bit of >their market value, they'll think about the cost/profit ratio. ...and thereby make in unprofitable for the spammers, as well. It's no good for them if everything they send out just gets dropped in the bit bucket. >Please take follow-ups to -chat. > >Eivind. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 9 11:07:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20625 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (labs.usn.blaze.net.au [203.17.53.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20616 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (local [127.0.0.1]) by labs.usn.blaze.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA04604; Sat, 10 May 1997 04:03:04 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199705091803.EAA04604@labs.usn.blaze.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: "Michael K. Sanders" cc: Eivind Eklund , jgrosch@sirius.com, jbryant@tfs.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ESCAPE! Florida Cruise/Vacation $598/4 People In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 May 1997 11:26:55 CST." <199705091726.LAA21335@shell.aros.net> X-Face: (W@z~5kg?"+5?!2kHP)+l369.~a@oTl^8l87|/s8"EH?Uk~P#N+Ec~Z&@;'LL!;3?y Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 04:03:03 +1000 From: David Nugent Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Make it unprofitable to give IP feeds to spammers. That is a much > >more powerful hold - if a provider knows that they will get blocked > >from a lot of routers for _all_ their traffic, and thus quite a bit of > >their market value, they'll think about the cost/profit ratio. > > ...and thereby make in unprofitable for the spammers, as well. > It's no good for them if everything they send out just gets > dropped in the bit bucket. The truth be known, the typical "spammer" wouldn't have a clue. They've just found out about this 'great idea' of selling in the internet, signed up for an account, paid their money (surprise!) and sent out lots of spam using whatever facility the provider offers, usually an exploder plus a large list of target addresses, 50% of which are obsolete, out of date, unreachable or otherwise blocked. The internet awareness of the 'spammer' - almost 0%. They've been had. They don't even get to see any of the bounces, since this is one of the "features" they've signed up for! They don't care, and nor do the providers. They've sold their 10,000 email addresses, even if they're not real. Sure, there are exceptions to this, but that's generally the case. The fact that they're doing it in the first place is strong indication of just how blissfully ignorant they are of the internet and certainly of its nettiquette. I'm not at all defending their actions here, only pointing out that the only winners in real terms here are the providers who are taking the cash of the ignorant. They usually don't care if mail is or is not delivered. Why should they? THEIR business doesn't depend on it directly. The problem is, while there are suckers out there willing to believe their sales dribble, spam will continue to be a problem. The best we can hope for is that the public will slowly become more educated, and these schemers will drop into the obscurity from which they emerged. And I'm certainly NOT suggesting that nothing be done about it. Do whatever you're doing now - drop spam, complain, mis-route packets - whatever is necessary to ensure that the *customers* will eventually realise just what a sham it is. With any luck, they'll start taking legal action over the provision of a defective service and start putting spam-providers out of business. Regards, David David Nugent - Unique Computing Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia Voice +61-3-9791-9547 Data/BBS +61-3-9792-3507 3:632/348@fidonet davidn@freebsd.org davidn@blaze.net.au http://www.blaze.net.au/~davidn/ From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 9 12:52:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25502 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 12:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA25495 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 12:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA07569; Fri, 9 May 1997 21:52:32 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA06016; Fri, 9 May 1997 21:33:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970509213300.OF61454@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 21:33:00 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: terry@lambert.org Subject: Re: PATCHES: NFS server locking support References: <199705090127.SAA29328@phaeton.artisoft.com> <199705091734.KAA00646@phaeton.artisoft.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199705091734.KAA00646@phaeton.artisoft.com>; from Terry Lambert on May 9, 1997 10:34:42 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Terry Lambert wrote: Subject: Re: PATCHES: NFS server locking support ^^^^^^^ > ftp://cdrom.com/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/TERRY.LOCK.README ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Terry, it seems you need a new keyboard. Your caps lock key is stuck. Also, the usual complaint: whenever you feel like posting something to two major mailing lists simultaneously, you feel wrong. Think harder, until you can decide to which list you wanna send it. (p.s.: No need to send me personal Cc's. I'm reading the lists, and don't appreciate laziness (on the part of the poster) duplicates.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 9 14:21:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA29457 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 14:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA29450 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 14:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA01043; Fri, 9 May 1997 14:17:08 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199705092117.OAA01043@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: PATCHES: NFS server locking support To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:17:07 -0700 (MST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, terry@lambert.org In-Reply-To: <19970509213300.OF61454@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at May 9, 97 09:33:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Also, the usual complaint: whenever you feel like posting something to > two major mailing lists simultaneously, you feel wrong. Think harder, > until you can decide to which list you wanna send it. I sent it to -current for the FreeBSD folks. I sent it to -hackers for the NetBSD, BSDi, and non-kernel hacker folks. > (p.s.: No need to send me personal Cc's. I'm reading the lists, and > don't appreciate laziness (on the part of the poster) duplicates.) I don't appreciate laziness in mail header rewriting on mailing lists. SAMBA and Linux lists don't have this problem with group reply. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 9 14:44:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00410 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 14:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from X2296 (ppp6410.on.sympatico.ca [206.172.208.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00405 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 14:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by X2296 (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA00208; Fri, 9 May 1997 17:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 17:43:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: Chris Timmons cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Laugh Break (and a good source of randomness) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2 X-Mailer: Pine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Cc: fixed] On Fri, 9 May 1997, Chris Timmons wrote: > 1) The funniest, most tasteful M$ lambast I have ever encountered. > http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/top10.html Well, I guess tasteful is in the eye of the beholder, eh... :) -- tIM...HOEk Whoever told you I had a .signature was lying. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 9 15:09:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01632 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 15:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01627 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 15:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA16635; Fri, 9 May 1997 15:09:01 -0700 (PDT) To: John Polstra cc: Stephen McKay , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Users of CVSup2.FreeBSD.ORG please read! In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 May 1997 09:09:54 PDT." <199705091609.JAA29058@austin.polstra.com> Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 15:09:01 -0700 Message-ID: <16631.863215741@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > and ongoing hours of their free time to support us. In return they > get nothing. Repeat: nothing. They don't even get the name > recognition of a typical committer. Well, they do get warm fuzzy feelings from knowing they're helping the project. I think that's something. :-) But your point is well-taken. We should always avoid taking these folks for granted. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 9 17:52:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA09027 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 17:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from perki.connect.com.au (perki.connect.com.au [192.189.54.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09022 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 17:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nemeton.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by perki.connect.com.au with UUCP id KAA18569 (8.8.5/IDA-1.6); Sat, 10 May 1997 10:51:01 +1000 (EST) Received: from topaz.nemeton.com.au (topaz.nemeton.com.au [203.8.3.18]) by nemeton.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18889; Sat, 10 May 1997 10:46:20 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost.nemeton.com.au (localhost.nemeton.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by topaz.nemeton.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA20373; Sat, 10 May 1997 10:52:15 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199705100052.KAA20373@topaz.nemeton.com.au> To: Eivind Eklund cc: Warner Losh , bde@zeta.org.au, sos@sos.freebsd.dk, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr Subject: Re: #include problem breaks current In-reply-to: <199705091604.SAA02595@bitbox.follo.net> Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:52:15 +1000 From: Giles Lean Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Moved to chat :-] On Fri, 9 May 1997 18:04:14 +0200 (MET DST) Eivind Eklund wrote: > IMHO, all PRs should be closed. Not all PRs should be committed or > result in any action; but all should be closed. If no corrective > action is necessary, close with "PR is wrong - closed." I have liked "No Fault Identified" since I saw it on one of my customer sites. NFI, indeed. :-) Giles From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 9 21:15:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA15857 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 21:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from icp.acquire.net.au (root@icp.acquire.net.au [203.24.197.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15838 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 21:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp2.acquire.net.au (ppp2.acquire.net.au [203.24.197.115]) by icp.acquire.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.3/BSD4.4) with SMTP id OAA00964 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 14:14:29 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3373F631.5B00@acquire.net.au> Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 14:14:41 +1000 From: John Wan Reply-To: johnwan@icp.net.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 9 21:52:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA17506 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 21:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17478 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 21:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id GAA00466 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 10 May 1997 06:51:56 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA09025; Sat, 10 May 1997 06:30:06 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970510063006.GS50646@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 06:30:06 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCHES: NFS server locking support References: <19970509213300.OF61454@uriah.heep.sax.de> <199705092117.OAA01043@phaeton.artisoft.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199705092117.OAA01043@phaeton.artisoft.com>; from Terry Lambert on May 9, 1997 14:17:07 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Terry Lambert wrote: > I sent it to -current for the FreeBSD folks. I sent it to -hackers > for the NetBSD, BSDi, and non-kernel hacker folks. Still one list too much. We were once contemplating modifying majordomo so that it rejects postings to multiple lists; perhaps we should really do it. You can always send a reminder to the other list, it's not that the list traffic weren't searchable... > I don't appreciate laziness in mail header rewriting on mailing lists. Use a mailer that does it for you then. I consider it extremely unkind to save 1 minute in not rewriting the headers at the expense of causing quite a number of people getting duplicates (once discussion grows). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 9 22:25:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA19395 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 May 1997 22:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA19390 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 22:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brother.ludd.luth.se.ludd (smurfen@brother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.78]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA20104; Sat, 10 May 1997 07:25:14 +0200 Received: from localhost by brother.ludd.luth.se.ludd (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10757; Sat, 10 May 97 07:25:11 +0200 Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 07:25:10 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ola Persson To: bsdnet@lamb.net, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, maxp@vbb.se Subject: Lulea university parade live! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id WAA19391 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hey guys! In about 3 hours (10.00 Central European Time) we have a pradade at Lulea university of technology that we have every three years. Since you guys are not here, check out http://www.ludd.luth.se/users/k97/ cuz we're going to bring a camera and have pics live from the event. Have fun, /Ola ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Ola Persson | For finger info: smurfen@best.ludd.luth.se | | Porsögården 8:81 | I am Pentium II of Borg, Divison is futile. | | 977 54 Lulea,SWEDEN | You will be approximated. | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 10 03:44:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA01162 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 May 1997 03:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hda.hda.com (hda-bicnet.bicnet.net [207.198.1.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01156 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 03:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA26727; Sat, 10 May 1997 06:40:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199705101040.GAA26727@hda.hda.com> Subject: Re: gnu/3554 In-Reply-To: <199705100448.OAA05467@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from Bruce Evans at "May 10, 97 02:48:24 pm" To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 06:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Cc: chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > You mean that everyone develops code using > > -W -Wall -ansi -pedantic -Wbad-function-cast -Wcast-align \ > -Wcast-qual -Wchar-subscripts -Wconversion -Winline \ > -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith \ > -Wredundant-decls -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes -Wwrite-strings > > don't they? :-) Let's see: -Wall -Wbad-function-cast -Wcast-align -Wcast-qual -Wchar-subscripts -Winline -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes -Wwrite-strings -ansi I guess I've found conversion and redundant-decls more trouble than they're worth and added missing-declarations. -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 10 03:50:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA01354 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 May 1997 03:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hda.hda.com (hda-bicnet.bicnet.net [207.198.1.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01348 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 03:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA26752 for chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 10 May 1997 06:49:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199705101049.GAA26752@hda.hda.com> Subject: Reply-to addresses In-Reply-To: <19970510063006.GS50646@uriah.heep.sax.de> from J Wunsch at "May 10, 97 06:30:06 am" To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 06:49:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Use a mailer that does it for you then. I consider it extremely > unkind to save 1 minute in not rewriting the headers at the expense of > causing quite a number of people getting duplicates (once discussion > grows). The problem is deducing what people want. The eternally-growing "cc" list is a pain in the neck. But the individual in the reply-to address may appreciate the quick answer and not wait for the list delay. I try to always trim the cc: list back to the mailing list and leave the originator address (except in this case) where reply-to put it. -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 10 05:16:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA03338 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 May 1997 05:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA03333 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 05:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA20154; Sat, 10 May 1997 05:16:30 -0700 (PDT) To: Peter Dufault cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 10 May 1997 06:49:05 EDT." <199705101049.GAA26752@hda.hda.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 05:16:30 -0700 Message-ID: <20151.863266590@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The problem is deducing what people want. The eternally-growing > "cc" list is a pain in the neck. But the individual in the reply-to > address may appreciate the quick answer and not wait for the > list delay. I think it's time to add automatic pruning. It's the only thing which will work, and if you thought you really wanted two lists well, our mailer software will simply say "no you didn't, trust me" and I can honestly, totally, live with that restriction. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 10 05:20:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA03460 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 May 1997 05:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au (daemon@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au [130.102.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA03448 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 05:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA14465; Sat, 10 May 1997 22:20:21 +1000 Received: from troll.devetir.qld.gov.au by ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.7.5/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id WAA00791; Sat, 10 May 1997 22:17:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (syssgm@localhost) by troll.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA02672; Sat, 10 May 1997 22:17:48 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199705101217.WAA02672@troll.devetir.qld.gov.au> X-Authentication-Warning: troll.devetir.qld.gov.au: syssgm@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: John Polstra cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: Users of CVSup2.FreeBSD.ORG please read! References: <199705090546.WAA25223@austin.polstra.com> <199705090718.RAA08152@troll.devetir.qld.gov.au> <199705091609.JAA29058@austin.polstra.com> In-Reply-To: <199705091609.JAA29058@austin.polstra.com> from John Polstra at "Fri, 09 May 1997 09:09:54 -0700" Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 22:17:48 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Friday, 9th May 1997, John Polstra wrote: >> Translation: >> >> "Owner of CVSup2.FreeBSD.ORG foolishly purchased non-parity system >> and inflicted results on unsuspecting world." >> >> 1/2 :-) > >With or without the smiley, that is really a cheap shot. The people >who run our mirror sites give up 500 MB of disk storage, lots of >CPU cycles, a not-insignificant portion of their network bandwidth, >and ongoing hours of their free time to support us. In return they >get nothing. Repeat: nothing. They don't even get the name >recognition of a typical committer. > >There is only one thing that is appropriate to say to these people: >"Thank you." Try it some time. And in the future when you have >a point to make, please don't make it at the expense of our >volunteers. Ok, a quick point and giggle doesn't always work over the Internet. I apologise if I have offended any FreeBSD supporter, whether or not they are the owner of CVSup2. This whole thing runs on good will and a couple of electrons. We would be hard pressed without such volunteers. This doesn't change my main message though. Buying non-parity memory is still a dumb idea, and worse if it is for a server. This incident should be enough to show the consequences of a few single bit errors, and how hard it can be to track the extent of the damage. Stephen. "Life is like a bowl of soup with hairs floating on it. You have to eat it nevertheless." -- Flaubert From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 10 05:24:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA03555 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 May 1997 05:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hda.hda.com (hda-bicnet.bicnet.net [207.198.1.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA03550 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 05:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA26935; Sat, 10 May 1997 08:22:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199705101222.IAA26935@hda.hda.com> Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses In-Reply-To: <20151.863266590@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "May 10, 97 05:16:30 am" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 08:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Cc: chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > The problem is deducing what people want. The eternally-growing > > "cc" list is a pain in the neck. But the individual in the reply-to > > address may appreciate the quick answer and not wait for the > > list delay. > > I think it's time to add automatic pruning. It's the only thing > which will work, and if you thought you really wanted two lists well, > our mailer software will simply say "no you didn't, trust me" and > I can honestly, totally, live with that restriction. :-) Yes, but you just did what Joerg complained about: cc'd me even though you know I'm on the list. Peter -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 10 05:53:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA04490 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 May 1997 05:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA04480 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 05:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id OAA04457 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 10 May 1997 14:53:42 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA01149; Sat, 10 May 1997 14:31:34 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970510143134.YV38671@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 14:31:34 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses References: <199705101049.GAA26752@hda.hda.com> <20151.863266590@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <20151.863266590@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on May 10, 1997 05:16:30 -0700 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I think it's time to add automatic pruning. It's the only thing > which will work, and if you thought you really wanted two lists well, > our mailer software will simply say "no you didn't, trust me" and > I can honestly, totally, live with that restriction. :-) "Yeah, yeah, yeah", the masses are emphatically crying... Except Terry, of course, who has good reasons to send something to two lists, against other's (repeatedly stated) advices. :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 10 07:52:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA07181 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 May 1997 07:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA07164 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 07:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA27888 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 16:51:43 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id QAA19845 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 10 May 1997 16:51:36 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id QAA04734; Sat, 10 May 1997 16:50:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970510165038.63940@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 16:50:38 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses References: <19970510063006.GS50646@uriah.heep.sax.de> <199705101049.GAA26752@hda.hda.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 In-Reply-To: <199705101049.GAA26752@hda.hda.com>; from Peter Dufault on Sat, May 10, 1997 at 06:49:05AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3283 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Peter Dufault: > I try to always trim the cc: list back to the mailing list and leave > the originator address (except in this case) where reply-to put it. It may be time to switch from Elm to Mutt[1]. There is a configuration variable and a command just for that. [1] /usr/ports/mail/mutt* -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #9: Thu May 8 20:22:51 CEST 1997 From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 10 10:07:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA11784 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 May 1997 10:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mpeks.tomsk.su (mpeks.tomsk.su [193.124.182.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA11772 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 10:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by mpeks.tomsk.su (8.6.11/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA05445 for chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 May 1997 01:07:16 +0800 Received: (from vas@localhost) by vas.tomsk.su (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA00460 for chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 May 1997 00:38:02 +0800 (TSD) From: "Victor A. Sudakov" Message-Id: <199705101638.AAA00460@vas.tomsk.su> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Users' Groups To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 00:38:02 +0800 (TSD) In-Reply-To: from "The Classiest Man Alive" at "May 6, 97 03:39:24 pm" Organization: Tomsk Region Education Department X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The Classiest Man Alive wrote: > Has anyone started a FreeBSD Users' Group in his/her local area? I'm > considering starting one, and I want ideas on the best way(s) to go about > that as well as an idea of how much time I'll need to commit. What would be the objectives of such a group? -- Victor Sudakov http://www.tomsk.su/r/persons/vas.htm From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 10 14:39:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA23714 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 May 1997 14:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23709 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 14:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA21181; Sat, 10 May 1997 14:39:43 -0700 (PDT) To: Peter Dufault cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Reply-to addresses In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 10 May 1997 08:22:52 EDT." <199705101222.IAA26935@hda.hda.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 14:39:43 -0700 Message-ID: <21177.863300383@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Yes, but you just did what Joerg complained about: cc'd me even > though you know I'm on the list. See how easy it is to do? We need auto-pruning. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 10 19:53:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA07456 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 May 1997 19:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07451 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 19:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970116) with ESMTP id WAA14076; Sat, 10 May 1997 22:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (WEBSPN/970116) with ESMTP id WAA17692; Sat, 10 May 1997 22:51:14 -0400 (EDT) To: Snob Art Genre cc: Joel Ray Holveck , jgrosch@sirius.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 May 1997 13:23:57 PDT." Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 22:51:13 -0400 Message-ID: <17690.863319073@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Snob Art Genre wrote in message ID : > On Fri, 2 May 1997, Joel Ray Holveck wrote: > > > [moved to -chat, this really isn't -hackers material.] > > I very, very rarely get spammed by email. Do you post to the usenet; > > that's a lot more common way for them to get names. > > I've never posted to usenet in my life, and I'm getting these spams too. Do you use IRC? Also, since you are subscribed to these lists, some smart bozos have realised they can get the list of addresses from majordomo ... instant spam list, guarenteed to have a large percentage of working e-mail addresses *sigh* Procmail be thy friend Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 10 21:08:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA09876 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 May 1997 21:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09871 for ; Sat, 10 May 1997 21:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970116) with ESMTP id AAA25058; Sun, 11 May 1997 00:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (WEBSPN/970116) with ESMTP id AAA08418; Sun, 11 May 1997 00:07:14 -0400 (EDT) To: Paul Richards cc: Iain Templeton , Sean Eric Fagan , chat@FreeBSD.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: And now for something completely different In-reply-to: Your message of "06 May 1997 17:38:00 BST." <57rafkr1xz.fsf@tees.elsevier.co.uk> Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 00:07:14 -0400 Message-ID: <8415.863323634@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Paul Richards wrote in message ID <57rafkr1xz.fsf@tees.elsevier.co.uk>: > The amount of money being granted to the BBC has I think been in > steady decline. A fairly obvious indication is the number of major > sporting events that it has lost the contracts for, either to the > commercial stations or the satellite stations. Possibly, but it's probably more likely that the commercial stations will have more clout when it comes to raising revenue (i.e. they go to Nike and say `you want an ad during Wimbledon? The rate is double the normal for that time of day'), where the BBC doesn't have that option. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 10 23:21:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA14492 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 May 1997 23:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA14485; Sat, 10 May 1997 23:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA14002; Sun, 11 May 1997 08:20:57 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10758; Sun, 11 May 1997 08:15:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970511081553.IW22308@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:15:53 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SPAMED again: Add LIVE Girls to your website! References: <17690.863319073@orion.webspan.net> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <17690.863319073@orion.webspan.net>; from Gary Palmer on May 10, 1997 22:51:13 -0400 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Gary Palmer wrote: > ..., some > smart bozos have realised they can get the list of addresses from > majordomo ... instant spam list, guarenteed to have a large percentage > of working e-mail addresses *sigh* Jonathan, i think this feature from majordomo should be disabled. It serves no good purpose anyway. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)