From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 6 12:58:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA27529 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:58:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA27524 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:58:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00846 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:58:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:58:04 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: ATAPI ALPHA reference Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! I think we've gotten past the point where we can call the ATAPI CD drivers 'ALPHA', considering it's been around for three releases now, so could we remove this reference from the release notes and handbook? We keep getting confused people asking on -questions about this. Thnx... Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 6 13:11:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA28551 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:11:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from delivery.hotmail.com ([207.82.250.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA28544 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (http://www.hotmail.com 14917 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 1997 21:07:11 -0000 Date: 6 Jan 1997 21:07:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19970106210711.14916.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.86.127.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Jan 1997 13:07:11 PST X-Originating-IP: [130.244.116.67] From: "HARDCORE COMMANDER" To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.com Subject: send me documents ... Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It would be nice if you could send me all the information you have on freebsd. I most of all need information about how i setup my bsd system tcp/ip networking. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 6 15:05:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA08285 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA08279 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:05:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA01023; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:05:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:05:30 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: HARDCORE COMMANDER cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.com Subject: Re: send me documents ... In-Reply-To: <19970106210711.14916.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 6 Jan 1997, HARDCORE COMMANDER wrote: > It would be nice if you could send me all the information you have > on freebsd. I most of all need information about how i setup my bsd system > tcp/ip networking. Available Documents: web: http://www.freebsd.org on installed system: /usr/share/doc command: man command-name books: "The Complete FreeBSD" available from Walnut Creek CDROM Does this help? Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 6 15:42:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA10728 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from iafnl.es.iaf.nl (uucp@iafnl.es.iaf.nl [195.108.17.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA10723 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:42:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA04982 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for doc@freebsd.org); Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:42:16 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA03189; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 23:37:01 +0100 (MET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199701062237.XAA03189@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: ATAPI ALPHA reference To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 23:37:01 +0100 (MET) Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Doug White" at Jan 6, 97 12:58:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Doug White wrote... > Hello! > > I think we've gotten past the point where we can call the ATAPI CD drivers > 'ALPHA', considering it's been around for three releases now, so could we > remove this reference from the release notes and handbook? We keep > getting confused people asking on -questions about this. I think you should really discuss this with Soren. He's been working on the drivers to get the not-so-quite-to-the-spec drives working. Wilko (who is SCSI only :-) _ ____________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl - Arnhem, The Netherlands |/|/ / / /( (_) Do, or do not. There is no 'try' - Yoda -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 6 15:53:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA11586 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:53:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-4-122.mu.de.ibm.net [139.92.4.122]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA11498; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA03344; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 22:48:22 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199701052148.WAA03344@vector.jhs.no_domain> To: Ade Barkah cc: doc@freebsd.org, webmaster@freebsd.org, grog@freebsd.org, imp@village.org, msmith@gsoft.com.au, jgrosch@sirius.com, phk@freebsd.org Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/commercial.html & ~jhs/freebsd/consultants.html From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. X-Mailer: EXMH 1.6.7, PGP available X-Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany X-Phone: +49.89.268616 X-Fax: +49.89.2608126 X-ISDN: +49.89.26023276 X-Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Dec 1996 18:43:31 MST." <199612310143.SAA26804@hemi.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 22:48:19 +0100 Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Reference: > From: Ade Barkah > Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/commercial.html & ~jhs/freebsd/consultants.html > Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 18:43:31 -0700 (MST) > Message-id: <199612310143.SAA26804@hemi.com> > > > jhs wrote: > > > I have a web page listing 5 more consultants: ... > > Hi Julian, > > How about we add a link to your page for now. I've added a link > locally at: > > http://freebsd.hemi.com/commercial.html Thanks, I'll take a look > Let me know how it looks to you. Also, do you mind maybe changing > little things (like background color) to make the page's "look > and feel" similar to the FreeBSD main pages ? Fine by me, send diffs :-) > -Ade > ps. I've also noticed that our link from availability.html to your > people faces page is incorrect (~jhs/freebsd_people.html instead of > ~jhs/freebsd/people.html.) I'll fix this as well. Thanks. > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Inet: mbarkah@hemi.com - HEMISPHERE ONLINE - > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 6 16:09:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA13446 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA13437 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:09:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA01825; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:09:31 -0800 (PST) To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATAPI ALPHA reference In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 06 Jan 1997 12:58:04 PST." Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 16:09:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1822.852595771@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Unfortunately, they still behave at ALPHA quality levels, so I'm not sure whether I'd want to give the mistaken impression that we've fixed them by suddenly removing this, either. Jordan > Hello! > > I think we've gotten past the point where we can call the ATAPI CD drivers > 'ALPHA', considering it's been around for three releases now, so could we > remove this reference from the release notes and handbook? We keep > getting confused people asking on -questions about this. > > Thnx... > > Doug White | University of Oregon > Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant > http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major > From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 6 16:55:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA16759 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA16744; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA02158; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:55:38 -0800 (PST) To: "Julian H. Stacey" cc: Ade Barkah , doc@freebsd.org, webmaster@freebsd.org, grog@freebsd.org, imp@village.org, msmith@gsoft.com.au, jgrosch@sirius.com, phk@freebsd.org Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/commercial.html & ~jhs/freebsd/consultants.html In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 05 Jan 1997 22:48:19 +0100." <199701052148.WAA03344@vector.jhs.no_domain> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 16:55:38 -0800 Message-ID: <2155.852598538@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Let me know how it looks to you. Also, do you mind maybe changing > > little things (like background color) to make the page's "look > > and feel" similar to the FreeBSD main pages ? > > Fine by me, send diffs :-) Sorry, that's our line. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 6 23:18:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA03171 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 23:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA03159 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 23:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA17406; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 23:17:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 23:17:53 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl Subject: Re: ATAPI ALPHA reference In-Reply-To: <1822.852595771@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Unfortunately, they still behave at ALPHA quality levels, so I'm not > sure whether I'd want to give the mistaken impression that we've fixed > them by suddenly removing this, either. Ok, I can buy that argument. Does anyone know the status on his work? Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 6 23:23:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA03318 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 23:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA03312 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 23:23:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA25562; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 23:23:07 -0800 (PST) To: Doug White cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl Subject: Re: ATAPI ALPHA reference In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 06 Jan 1997 23:17:53 PST." Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 23:23:07 -0800 Message-ID: <25540.852621787@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Soren is working on it, for status you'd have to ask him. I know that his request for help received a rather underwhelming response, so I guess IDE CDROM support isn't all that important to people after all. :-( Jordan > On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Unfortunately, they still behave at ALPHA quality levels, so I'm not > > sure whether I'd want to give the mistaken impression that we've fixed > > them by suddenly removing this, either. > > Ok, I can buy that argument. > > Does anyone know the status on his work? > > Doug White | University of Oregon > Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant > http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major > From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jan 7 01:02:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA07954 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 01:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from perki0.connect.com.au (perki0.connect.com.au [192.189.54.85]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA07946 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 01:02:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from Unemeton@localhost) by perki0.connect.com.au id TAA03428 (8.7.6h/IDA-1.6); Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:56:26 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: perki0.connect.com.au: Unemeton set sender to giles@nemeton.com.au using -f >Received: from localhost.nemeton.com.au (localhost.nemeton.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by nemeton.com.au (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA18913; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:50:29 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199701070850.TAA18913@nemeton.com.au> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Doug White , doc@freebsd.org, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl Subject: Re: ATAPI ALPHA reference In-reply-to: <25540.852621787@time.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 19:50:28 +1100 From: Giles Lean Content-Type: text Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 06 Jan 1997 23:23:07 -0800 "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > Soren is working on it, for status you'd have to ask him. I know that > his request for help received a rather underwhelming response, so I > guess IDE CDROM support isn't all that important to people after > all. :-( Perhaps the driver is therefore working well enough to be considered beta? Some of the willing helpers (me :-) have IDE CD ROMs that have worked since the very first atapi.flp, which would *normally* be a good thing. Finally, as ever, many of the people with spare machines for running unstable -current code avoid IDE like the plague. I bought my only IDE CD ROM drive under duress ... Giles From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jan 7 10:53:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA04397 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:53:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA04392 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:53:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA25868 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:53:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:53:30 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Typographic conventions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In working on the docbook stuff, I have to establish typographic conventions for things like filenames, commands, variables and the like. I thought I would just clone O'Reilly conventions, but just about every O'Reilly book I looked at was different! Do people have strong preferences? Below the main docbook elements of interest. See http://www.ora.com/homepages/jasper/DocBook/ref.htm for more detailed descirptions. Cast your votes now! Abbrev- Abbreviation, especially one followed by a period Acronym- Pronounceable contraction of initials Application- Name of a software program ClassName- Name of the class to which a program component belongs Command- Executable program, or the entry a user makes to execute a command ComputerOutput- Data presented to the user by a computer Database- Name of an organized set of data Email- Email address in an Address Emphasis- Emphasized text ErrorName- Error message reported by a computer ErrorType- Classification of an error message reported by a computer Filename- Name of a file, possibly including pathname FirstTerm- First occurrence of a word in a given context ForeignPhrase- Word or words in a language other than that of the containing document Function- Subroutine in a program or external library GUIButton- Text on a button in a graphical user interface GUIIcon- Graphic and, or, text appearing as a icon in a graphical user interface GUILabel- Text in a graphical user interface GUIMenu- Name of a menu in a graphical user interface GUIMenuItem- Name of a terminal menu item in a graphical user interfac GUISubmenu- Name of a submenu in a graphical user interface GlossTerm- Term outside a Glossary that is defined in some GlossEntry Hardware- Physical part of a computer system Interface- Element of a graphical user interface InterfaceDefinition- Specification for a graphical user interface KeyCap- Text printed on a physical key on a computer keyboard, not necessarily the same thing as a KeyCode KeyCode- Computer's numeric designation of a key on a computer keyboard KeyCombo- Combination of input actions KeySym- Key symbol name, which is not necessarily the same thing as a Keycap MediaLabel- Name of the physical medium on or in which some information is contained MenuChoice- Menu selection or series of such selections MouseButton- Conventional name of a mouse button MsgText- Contents of the parts of Msg Option- Option for a computer program command Optional- Optional information contained in a Synopsis Parameter- Part of an instruction to a computer Property- Defined set of data associated with a window Replaceable- Content that may be replaced in a synopsis or command line ReturnValue- Value returned by a function StructField- Field in a Structure StructName- Name of a Structure Symbol- Name that is replaced by a value before processing SystemItem- System-related term or item Token- Unit of information in the context of lexical analysis Type- Classification of a value UserInput- Data entered by the user -john From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jan 7 11:17:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA05550 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nic.follonett.no (nic.follonett.no [194.198.43.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA05544 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by nic.follonett.no (8.8.3/8.8.3) with UUCP id UAA21045 for docs@freebsd.org; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:16:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from oo7 (oo7.dimaga.com [192.0.0.65]) by dimaga.com (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id UAA01272 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:17:35 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970107202020.0091b2b0@dimaga.com> X-Sender: eivind@dimaga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 20:20:21 +0100 To: docs@freebsd.org From: Eivind Eklund Subject: install.sgml - Passive FTP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I recently tried to install over passive FTP, and found it difficult to understand how to do it from the handbook. I suggest the following re-wording and extension to make it clearer. (Context diff from the version in -current) *** install.sgml Wed Jan 1 00:13:42 1997 --- install.new.sgml Tue Jan 7 20:11:41 1997 *************** *** 669,682 **** Note: Active and passive modes are not the same as a `proxy' connection, where a proxy ! ftp server is listening on a different port! ! In such instances, you should specify the URL as something like: ftp://foo.bar.com:1234/pub/FreeBSD ! ! Where ``1234'' is the port number of the proxy ftp server. Installing FreeBSD --- 669,694 ---- Note: Active and passive modes are not the same as a `proxy' connection, where a proxy ! FTP server is listening and forwarding FTP requests! ! For a proxy FTP server, you should usually give name of ! the server you really want as a part of the username, ! after an @-sign. The proxy server then 'fakes' the real ! server. An example: Say you want to install from ! ftp.freebsd.org, using the proxy FTP server foo.bar.com, ! listening on port 1234. ! ! In this case, you go to the options menu, set the FTP ! username to ftp@ftp.freebsd.org, and the password to your ! e-mail address. As your installation media, you specify ! FTP (or passive FTP, if the proxy support it), and the URL ftp://foo.bar.com:1234/pub/FreeBSD ! /pub/FreeBSD from ftp.freebsd.org is proxied under ! foo.bar.com, allowing you to install from _that_ machine ! (which fetch the files from ftp.freebsd.org as your ! installation requests them). Installing FreeBSD Eivind Eklund / perhaps@yes.no / http://maybe.yes.no/perhaps/ From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jan 7 14:01:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA14216 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:01:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA14210 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.8.2/8.8.2/frmug-1.3) with UUCP id XAA09784; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:00:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from penelope.frmug.org (penelope.frmug.org [127.0.0.1]) by penelope.frmug.org (8.8.4/SN-884-01) with ESMTP id WAA02100; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 22:57:17 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199701072157.WAA02100@penelope.frmug.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: John Fieber cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Typographic conventions In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Jan 1997 13:53:30 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 22:57:17 +0100 From: Sylvain Nierveze Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Do people have strong preferences? Below the main docbook > elements of interest. See > http://www.ora.com/homepages/jasper/DocBook/ref.htm for more > detailed descirptions. I am wondering if it's worth for me to spend time on linuxdoc (concerning the translation of the FAQ in french), or if it's better to use the DocBook DTD at this time ? I am new to the freebsd-doc mailling list, so can anyone tell me what has been done with this DTD for the FreeBSD docs, for the moment ? thanks ! -- Sylvain Nierveze + sn@penelope.frmug.org From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jan 7 14:46:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA17067 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA17059 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:46:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov (daemon@cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.101]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07885; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 22:46:53 GMT Received: from auk.fsl.noaa.gov by cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov with SMTP (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA061517213; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 22:46:53 GMT Message-Id: <32D2D2C5.700C@fsl.noaa.gov> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 15:48:37 -0700 From: Sean Kelly Organization: CIRA/NOAA X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/725) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: John Fieber Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Typographic conventions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Fieber wrote: > Cast your votes now! As a general rule, I prefer to see as little variation in typography as possible; some computer books out there have so many different conventions for so many different things that a page appears as something not too unlike dog vomit. > Abbrev- Abbreviation, especially one followed by a period Chicago probably says small caps ... I say normal body all caps. > Acronym- Pronounceable contraction of initials Body caps, no periods. > Application- Name of a software program Initial word capitalization, body copy font. > ClassName- Name of the class to which a program component belongs Lower case body copy. > Command- Executable program, or the entry a user makes to execute a command Urg. Good question. > ComputerOutput- Data presented to the user by a computer Fixed width font. > Database- Name of an organized set of data Huh? I guess I should check the web address. > Email- Email address in an Address Body copy font. > Emphasis- Emphasized text Bold. Italic emphasis is nice, but often too light. > ErrorName- Error message reported by a computer Treat like ComputerOutput. > ErrorType- Classification of an error message reported by a computer Body copy font. > Filename- Name of a file, possibly including pathname Body copy font. > FirstTerm- First occurrence of a word in a given context Italic? > ForeignPhrase- Word or words in a language other than that of the containing document Chicago probably says italic. There are so many foreign words in English now that we can probably do without. Body copy font. > Function- Subroutine in a program or external library Body copy font. > GUIButton- Text on a button in a graphical user interface Body copy font, but with capitalization verbatim from the UI. > GUIIcon- Graphic and, or, text appearing as a icon in a graphical user interface Tufte would recommend using a copy of the icon itself as any other glyph. I agree. > GUILabel- Text in a graphical user interface > GUIMenu- Name of a menu in a graphical user interface > GUIMenuItem- Name of a terminal menu item in a graphical user interfac > GUISubmenu- Name of a submenu in a graphical user interface As with GUIButton. > GlossTerm- Term outside a Glossary that is defined in some GlossEntry Italic. > Hardware- Physical part of a computer system Body copy font. > Interface- Element of a graphical user interface Body copy font. > InterfaceDefinition- Specification for a graphical user interface Huh? > KeyCap- Text printed on a physical key on a computer keyboard, not > necessarily the same thing as a KeyCode Small caps? > KeyCode- Computer's numeric designation of a key on a computer keyboard Body copy font. > KeyCombo- Combination of input actions Small caps? > KeySym- Key symbol name, which is not necessarily the same thing as a Keycap Body copy font. > MediaLabel- Name of the physical medium on or in which some information > is contained Body copy font. > MenuChoice- Menu selection or series of such selections Body copy font. > MouseButton- Conventional name of a mouse button Body copy font. > MsgText- Contents of the parts of Msg Body copy font. > Option- Option for a computer program command Body copy font. > Optional- Optional information contained in a Synopsis Body copy font. > Parameter- Part of an instruction to a computer What's the difference here with Replaceable? Maybe italics, maybe body copy font. > Property- Defined set of data associated with a window Body copy font. > Replaceable- Content that may be replaced in a synopsis or command line Italics. > ReturnValue- Value returned by a function > StructField- Field in a Structure > StructName- Name of a Structure > Symbol- Name that is replaced by a value before processing > SystemItem- System-related term or item > Token- Unit of information in the context of lexical analysis > Type- Classification of a value Body copy font. > UserInput- Data entered by the user Bold fixed width. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jan 7 15:04:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA18792 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 15:04:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA18783 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 15:04:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA00745; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:04:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:04:08 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber Reply-To: John Fieber To: Sylvain Nierveze cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Typographic conventions In-Reply-To: <199701072157.WAA02100@penelope.frmug.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Sylvain Nierveze wrote: > > Do people have strong preferences? Below the main docbook > > elements of interest. See > > http://www.ora.com/homepages/jasper/DocBook/ref.htm for more > > detailed descirptions. > > I am wondering if it's worth for me to spend time on linuxdoc > (concerning the translation of the FAQ in french), or if it's > better to use the DocBook DTD at this time ? Hmm.... There are a bunch of issues and I am not sure how they all balance out in the end. If you work on the translation in linuxdoc, you can basically start off with the english version and change the text, leaving the sgml tags more or less intact. (Score: linuxdoc 1, docbook 0) However, I can easily supply you with a docbook version of the handbook with which you could do the same thing. (Score: linuxdoc 1, docbook 1) However, the working on the output of my linuxdoc to docbook converter is probably not the best way to learn docbook. (Score: linuxdoc 2, docbook 1) However, I am working on collecting some good docbook examples, as well as marking up one of the tutorials (http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials) as a home-grown example. (Score: linuxdoc 2, docbook 2) Linuxdoc will go away sometime, and although the automatic conversion yields a syntactically correct docbook instance that formats approximately the same as the current linuxdoc documents, a fair amount of manual retagging is going to be necessary to really take advantage of docbook. Whether this is easier to do during or after translation, I have no idea. (Score: linuxdoc 2, docbook 2) Linuxdoc is pretty easy markup, but beyond that it is a pain. (Score: linuxdoc 2, docbook 3) We currently do not have a docbook to groff (and hence text and postscript) conversion and the "production" copy of the handbook is not moving to docbook until that happens. (Score: linuxdoc 3, docbook 3) So, as you can see, this is not a clear cut case! -john From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jan 7 17:20:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA00982 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:20:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from prime.common.net (root@prime.common.net [204.112.20.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA00801 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:19:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from default ([204.112.20.243]) by prime.common.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA20513 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:15:15 -0600 Message-ID: <32D2F5BA.44BE@common.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 19:17:46 -0600 From: Lorne Neudorf Reply-To: lneudorf@common.net Organization: ComTech X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Free BSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I was wondering the following: I have MSDOS. It is all partitioned off my 1 gig hard drive. 500 megs is used up right now. I was wondering..if I download your "boot" disk and boot up FREE BSD, and if I dont like it, can I just remove the disk and re-boot my computer and everything will be back to normal? I run a current server under win95 and I need something better...but It also has to be easy to use. PLease answer this. Also...after installing FREEBSD...can I use Windows95 after installing whenever I want (by rebooting my computer). If no...how do I get my Old stuff back if I dont want FREEBSD. This would be a MASSIVE change for me...I just want to know if there is something I could do incase I dont like FREEBSD! I'd appreciate a response to my concern. From what I have heard...you are really good!! Thanks, Lorne Neudorf From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jan 7 21:13:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA13088 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA13083 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:13:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA02225; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:13:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:13:37 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber Reply-To: John Fieber To: Sean Kelly cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Typographic conventions In-Reply-To: <32D2D2C5.700C@fsl.noaa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Sean Kelly wrote: > As a general rule, I prefer to see as little variation in typography as > possible; some computer books out there have so many different > conventions for so many different things that a page appears as > something not too unlike dog vomit. Oh, thanks for reminding me. How about falshing blue bold italic text on a red background for warnings? (just kidding...) Generally I agree with typographic conservatism for technical documents, but after thumbing through more books, I think more of these elemnts should deviate (slightly) from body text. That said, boldface is typically too LOUD to hit in the middle of the body text. Italic works out okay in print, but not so hot on screen. The books I liked best mostly use fixed space fonts for text that might be involved in your interaction with the computer. This includes commands, command options, filenames, function names, variables and the like. > > Abbrev- Abbreviation, especially one followed by a period > > Chicago probably says small caps ... I say normal body all caps. Chicago devotes 27 pages to the topic of abbreviations and although a select few are subject to small caps treatment, a majority are body text, mixed case. > > Command- Executable program, or the entry a user makes to execute a command > > Urg. Good question. I vote fixed space. Same for command options. > > Emphasis- Emphasized text > > Bold. Italic emphasis is nice, but often too light. I don't think anyone will agree here. :) I hate bold, but a good friend hates italic.... > > FirstTerm- First occurrence of a word in a given context > > Italic? Italic. :) > > ForeignPhrase- Word or words in a language other than that of the containing document > > Chicago probably says italic. There are so many foreign words in > English now that we can probably do without. Body copy font. Italic. There are so few in English that people recognize as being foreign, I seriously doubt too many will be marked up. > > GUIIcon- Graphic and, or, text appearing as a icon in a graphical user interface > > Tufte would recommend using a copy of the icon itself as any other > glyph. I agree. Graphics are a bit of a thorny issue logistically speaking, although I would agree that a copy of the icon itself is more or less manditory. > > GlossTerm- Term outside a Glossary that is defined in some GlossEntry > > Italic. Depends on how it is used. If taken to the logical extreme where every term in the body also found in the glossary is mared up, an on-line version would have hypertext links which don't need any other typographic treatment. A print-only version with every 10th word italic would drive you batty. (Personally, hypertext documents with every 10th word a link would drive me batty as well. Somone here just finished a dissertation on optimal hypertext link density and found it to be quite low. Too many links interfere with reading and understanding the text.) I would tend to say copy text and leave the italics to foo. > > InterfaceDefinition- Specification for a graphical user interface > > Huh? Ditto. I have to find an actual example before I get this one. > > KeyCap- Text printed on a physical key on a computer keyboard, not > > necessarily the same thing as a KeyCode > > Small caps? A pain to do in HTML, but possible. > > Parameter- Part of an instruction to a computer > > What's the difference here with Replaceable? Maybe italics, maybe body > copy font. Not exactly sure, altough they definately have different content models. I'll have to try and find some more docs on this. The sample document that I've been working on lately can be found at: http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber/mydevel.docb and formatted at: http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber/mydevel.html -john From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 8 00:46:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA21475 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from livewire.digicity.net (root@livewire.digicity.net [207.212.96.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA21470 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:46:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from lizard (ptp122_62.themall.net [204.80.122.62]) by livewire.digicity.net (8.8.3/8.8.31) with SMTP id AAA22112 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:46:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32D35E26.21B4@digicity.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 00:43:18 -0800 From: Ryan Knight X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FAQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was just wondering if there is anyway I can get the FAQ in one ASCII file, so I can print it out... thanks, Ryan From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 8 00:49:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA21545 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from livewire.digicity.net (root@livewire.digicity.net [207.212.96.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA21540 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:49:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from lizard (ptp122_62.themall.net [204.80.122.62]) by livewire.digicity.net (8.8.3/8.8.31) with SMTP id AAA22122 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:49:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32D35EB3.3F25@digicity.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 00:45:39 -0800 From: Ryan Knight X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FAQ again... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Actually, I was talking about the FAQ and the HANDBOOK, sorry thanks, RYan From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 8 00:57:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA21800 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:57:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA21795 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:57:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA06864; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:57:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:57:03 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: Giles Lean cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , doc@freebsd.org, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl Subject: Re: ATAPI ALPHA reference In-Reply-To: <199701070850.TAA18913@nemeton.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Giles Lean wrote: > > On Mon, 06 Jan 1997 23:23:07 -0800 "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > Soren is working on it, for status you'd have to ask him. I know that > > his request for help received a rather underwhelming response, so I > > guess IDE CDROM support isn't all that important to people after > > all. :-( > > Perhaps the driver is therefore working well enough to be considered > beta? > > Some of the willing helpers (me :-) have IDE CD ROMs that have worked > since the very first atapi.flp, which would *normally* be a good > thing. > > Finally, as ever, many of the people with spare machines for running > unstable -current code avoid IDE like the plague. I bought my only > IDE CD ROM drive under duress ... What's Soren's email address? How about we add something to the release documentation about Soren's plot? We'd have to be careful to keep everyone who's having basic ATAPI CDROM trouble from flooding him, but... Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 8 01:43:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA23731 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA23726 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:43:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA06922; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:43:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:43:53 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: Ryan Knight cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FAQ again... In-Reply-To: <32D35EB3.3F25@digicity.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Ryan Knight wrote: > Actually, I was talking about the FAQ and the HANDBOOK, > sorry At one point they were placed in ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/docs, they may not be totally current (They're dated December 12 right now). Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 8 01:47:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA23881 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:47:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA23876 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:47:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA06934; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:47:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:47:46 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: Lorne Neudorf cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD In-Reply-To: <32D2F5BA.44BE@common.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Lorne Neudorf wrote: > I have MSDOS. It is all partitioned off my 1 gig hard drive. 500 megs > is used up right now. I was wondering..if I download your "boot" disk > and boot up FREE BSD, and if I dont like it, can I just remove the disk > and re-boot my computer and everything will be back to normal? I run a > current server under win95 and I need something better...but It also has > to be easy to use. PLease answer this. Also...after installing > FREEBSD...can I use Windows95 after installing whenever I want (by > rebooting my computer). If no...how do I get my Old stuff back if I > dont want FREEBSD. It's not quite that easy. FreeBSD requires it's own partition space, so you would have to split your DOS partition. Unfortunately, it's easy to split them and not so easy to put them back together again. If you're not sure whether you'll like it or not, make a backup first or use some spare hard disk. > This would be a MASSIVE change for me...I just want to know if there is > something I could do incase I dont like FREEBSD! I'd appreciate a > response to my concern. From what I have heard...you are really good!! Once you get over the win -> unix change, I think you'll enjoy just how powerful FreeBSD is over Windows. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 8 08:27:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA14709 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 08:27:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA14704 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 08:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA03698; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:27:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:27:02 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Ryan Knight cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FAQ In-Reply-To: <32D35E26.21B4@digicity.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Ryan Knight wrote: > I was just wondering if there is anyway I can get the FAQ in one ASCII > file, so I can print it out... http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ.ps http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ.latin1 -john From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 8 08:30:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA14926 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 08:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from bcarsde4.localhost (mailgate.nortel.ca [192.58.194.74]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA14921 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 08:30:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701081630.IAA14921@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: from bcarsfba.ott.bnr.ca (actually bcarsfba.bnr.ca) by bcarsde4.localhost; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:07:35 -0500 Received: from bnr.ca by bcarsfba.bnr.ca id <05730-0@bcarsfba.bnr.ca>; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:13:38 -0500 Date: 08 Jan 1997 09:55 EST To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu Cc: lneudorf@common.net, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org From: "Matthew Kiser" Subject: Re: Free BSD Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message "Free BSD", dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu writes: > On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Lorne Neudorf wrote: > > > I have MSDOS. It is all partitioned off my 1 gig hard drive. 500 megs > > is used up right now. I was wondering..if I download your "boot" disk > > and boot up FREE BSD, and if I dont like it, can I just remove the disk > > and re-boot my computer and everything will be back to normal? I run a > > current server under win95 and I need something better...but It also has > > to be easy to use. PLease answer this. Also...after installing > > FREEBSD...can I use Windows95 after installing whenever I want (by > > rebooting my computer). If no...how do I get my Old stuff back if I > > dont want FREEBSD. > > It's not quite that easy. FreeBSD requires it's own partition space, so > you would have to split your DOS partition. Unfortunately, it's easy to > split them and not so easy to put them back together again. If you're not > sure whether you'll like it or not, make a backup first or use some spare > hard disk. But, to be fair, there is a way to do this with Linux. They have a system which you can put all the system files on a DOS filesystem, then you boot DOS and then you can run Linux from there. If you decide you don't like it, you simply erase it. Disclaimer: I have never tried it, I can't even remember what they call this system (something like UMSDOS). I don't know how well it works or if it can give you full UNIX functionality. > > This would be a MASSIVE change for me...I just want to know if there is > > something I could do incase I dont like FREEBSD! I'd appreciate a > > response to my concern. From what I have heard...you are really good!! > > Once you get over the win -> unix change, I think you'll enjoy just how > powerful FreeBSD is over Windows. This is very true. Fear not! there is life beyond Microsoft. > Doug White | University of Oregon > Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant > http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Matthew S. Kiser | All opinions are my own and not the | | Nortel | opinions of my employer. | | Richardson, Texas | | | mkiser@nortel.com | | +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 8 11:37:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA24882 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA24877 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:37:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA00445; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:37:20 -0800 (PST) To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu cc: Giles Lean , doc@freebsd.org, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl Subject: Re: ATAPI ALPHA reference In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 08 Jan 1997 00:57:03 PST." Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 11:37:19 -0800 Message-ID: <442.852752239@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What's Soren's email address? Hmmmm. Someone whos' plainly never read the roster in the handbook. :-) sos@freebsd.org and a core member. > How about we add something to the release documentation about Soren's > plot? We'd have to be careful to keep everyone who's having basic ATAPI > CDROM trouble from flooding him, but... And how to you propose to do that? People are going to flood him if we do this and there'd be nothing we could do about it. I think it's a bad idea, sorry. Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 8 13:25:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA00434 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:25:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA00429 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:25:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA00857; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:24:54 -0800 (PST) To: "Matthew Kiser" cc: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, lneudorf@common.net, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free BSD In-reply-to: Your message of "08 Jan 1997 09:55:00 EST." <199701081630.IAA14921@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 13:24:54 -0800 Message-ID: <854.852758694@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > But, to be fair, there is a way to do this with Linux. They have a system > which you can put all the system files on a DOS filesystem, then you > boot DOS and then you can run Linux from there. If you decide you don't Yes, it's called UMSDOS and it's so painfully slow that I'm sure many who try it come away with the mistaken impression that Linux is slower than a dog (it has a few perf problems, yes, but it's not THAT bad :-). I'm not sure that this is a good thing. Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 8 13:56:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA02214 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tut.MsState.Edu (root@Tut.MsState.Edu [130.18.80.36]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA02209 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:56:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ([130.18.224.72]); by Tut.MsState.Edu using SMTP (8.6.12/6.5m-FWP); id PAA17916; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:56:40 -0600 Message-ID: <32D4341B.2279@ra.msstate.edu> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 15:56:11 -0800 From: Owen LaGarde X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IOmega ZIP drives on EPP X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org//mailto.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does FreeBSD support, in any form or fasion, a parallel port version of the IOmega ZIP drive? From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 8 14:14:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA03473 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 14:14:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from prime.common.net (root@prime.common.net [204.112.20.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA03468 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 14:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from default ([204.112.20.243]) by prime.common.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA09928; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:12:57 -0600 Message-ID: <32D41BFD.41DE@common.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 16:13:17 -0600 From: Lorne Neudorf Reply-To: lneudorf@common.net Organization: ComTech X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, mkiser@nortel.ca Subject: Re: Free BSD References: <854.852758694@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > But, to be fair, there is a way to do this with Linux. They have a system > > which you can put all the system files on a DOS filesystem, then you > > boot DOS and then you can run Linux from there. If you decide you don't > > Yes, it's called UMSDOS and it's so painfully slow that I'm sure > many who try it come away with the mistaken impression that Linux > is slower than a dog (it has a few perf problems, yes, but it's not > THAT bad :-). > > I'm not sure that this is a good thing. > > Jordan OK..Jordan...no problem. I have an exisitng 500 megabyte hard drive that I can use to try out FreeBSD to see if I like it! Then I wont have to worry about anything getting deleted on my computer :) Thanks for your help! Lorne Neudorf From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 8 14:58:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA06026 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 14:58:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA06020 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 14:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA07849; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 14:57:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 14:57:49 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Giles Lean , doc@freebsd.org, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl Subject: Re: ATAPI ALPHA reference In-Reply-To: <442.852752239@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > What's Soren's email address? > > Hmmmm. Someone whos' plainly never read the roster in the handbook. :-) > sos@freebsd.org and a core member. No, pure laziness. :) > > How about we add something to the release documentation about Soren's > > plot? We'd have to be careful to keep everyone who's having basic ATAPI > > CDROM trouble from flooding him, but... > > And how to you propose to do that? People are going to flood him > if we do this and there'd be nothing we could do about it. > I think it's a bad idea, sorry. That's what I would have figured. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 8 16:58:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA14832 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.plnet.net (root@[206.230.18.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA14826 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:58:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp.plnet.net (jc1-19.computerland.net [207.1.227.85]) by mail.plnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA32399 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 18:59:11 -0600 Message-ID: <32D45DFA.3699@mail.idpa.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 18:54:50 -0800 From: Web Spinners Reply-To: map@mail.plnet.net Organization: Web Spinners X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: link Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My name is Mark Prenger, and I am the web designer for INTERNATIONAL DEFENSIVE PISTOL ASSOCIATION. We have created a link to your site and would like to ask if you would create a link back to ours. We appreciation your attention to this, we look forward to hearing from you. http://www.idpa.com Mark Prenger Web Spinners http://www.plnet.net/map/ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 8 19:42:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA23374 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:42:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA23366 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:42:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA08199; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:42:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:42:13 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: Owen LaGarde cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IOmega ZIP drives on EPP In-Reply-To: <32D4341B.2279@ra.msstate.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Owen LaGarde wrote: > Does FreeBSD support, in any form or fasion, a parallel port version > of the IOmega ZIP drive? I have a pointer to a driver, but I don't know how easy it is to hack it in. It's just a .c file. http://www.prism.uvsq.fr/~son/ppa3.html Needless to say the SCSI version works better. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 9 01:17:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA17677 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 01:17:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA17670 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 01:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA02505; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 01:17:50 -0800 (PST) To: map@mail.plnet.net cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: link In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 08 Jan 1997 18:54:50 PST." <32D45DFA.3699@mail.idpa.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 01:17:50 -0800 Message-ID: <2501.852801470@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does this site run FreeBSD? If so, why not simply submit a gallery entry using the handy form at http://www.freebsd.org/gallery.html Thanks! Jordan > My name is Mark Prenger, and I am the web designer for INTERNATIONAL > DEFENSIVE PISTOL ASSOCIATION. We have created a link to your site and > would like to ask if you would create a link back to ours. We > appreciation your attention to this, we look forward to hearing from > you. > > http://www.idpa.com > > Mark Prenger > Web Spinners > http://www.plnet.net/map/ From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 9 03:56:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA24981 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 03:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from su1.in.net (su1.in.net [199.0.62.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id DAA24976 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 03:56:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by su1.in.net (5.65/1.2-eef) id AA16454; Thu, 9 Jan 97 06:56:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 06:55:50 -500 (EST) From: Jay Richmond Subject: Re: IOmega ZIP drives on EPP To: Doug White Cc: Owen LaGarde , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Doug White wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Owen LaGarde wrote: > > > Does FreeBSD support, in any form or fasion, a parallel port version > > of the IOmega ZIP drive? > > I have a pointer to a driver, but I don't know how easy it is to hack it > in. It's just a .c file. > > http://www.prism.uvsq.fr/~son/ppa3.html > > Needless to say the SCSI version works better. How about for the Jaz Jet SCSI Iomega jazz drives? It's based on an AdvancedSys chipset? Thanks, Jay jayrich@in.net From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 9 06:05:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA00608 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 06:05:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from tamis.com (tamis.com [206.24.116.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id GAA00597 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 06:05:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tamis.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA18430 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 06:05:04 -0800 Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 06:05:04 -0800 From: David Holloway Message-Id: <199701091405.GAA18430@tamis.com> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: worst man page award Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk my worst man page award goes too.... drum roolll fsinfo(8) I should go egg the BSD office for this one... 4th floor Soda hall? From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 9 06:54:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA02784 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 06:54:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA02775; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 06:54:06 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199701091454.GAA02775@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: worst man page award To: daveh@tamis.com (David Holloway) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 06:54:06 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199701091405.GAA18430@tamis.com> from "David Holloway" at Jan 9, 97 06:05:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Holloway wrote: > > my worst man page award goes too.... drum roolll > > fsinfo(8) > > I should go egg the BSD office for this one... 4th floor Soda hall? Naw, just write us a better one instead! -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.org "Go that way. Really fast. If something gets in your way, turn" From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 9 08:08:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA06971 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 08:08:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ipro.com (farad.ipro.com [204.179.121.96]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA06935 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 08:08:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ipro.ipro.com by ipro.com (8.7.4/SMI-SVR4) id IAA12179; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 08:07:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32D51998.40C@ipro.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 08:15:21 -0800 From: Ken Ingram Organization: Internet Profiles Incorporated X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FAQ Section 2.15... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This section is rather badly written. I still don't understand what to do since I still have a problem getting disklabel to properly recognize my disk. It would help if the section were laid out a bit more step-by-step and instead of assuming everything works as it should, offer some suggestions on what to do if problems occur. From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 9 10:06:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA12949 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA12944 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA12350; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:06:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:06:24 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Jay Richmond cc: Owen LaGarde , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: IOmega ZIP drives on EPP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Jay Richmond wrote: > > > Does FreeBSD support, in any form or fasion, a parallel port version > > > of the IOmega ZIP drive? > > > > I have a pointer to a driver, but I don't know how easy it is to hack it > > in. It's just a .c file. > > > > http://www.prism.uvsq.fr/~son/ppa3.html > > > > Needless to say the SCSI version works better. > > How about for the Jaz Jet SCSI Iomega jazz drives? It's based on an > AdvancedSys chipset? Huh? The Jaz itself is supported, I don't know about the included SCSI adapter. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 9 10:49:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA14980 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:49:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA14975 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:49:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA12430; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:48:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:48:55 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Ken Ingram cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FAQ Section 2.15... In-Reply-To: <32D51998.40C@ipro.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Ken Ingram wrote: > This section is rather badly written. I still don't understand what to > do since I still have a problem getting disklabel to properly recognize > my disk. > > It would help if the section were laid out a bit more step-by-step and > instead of assuming everything works as it should, offer some > suggestions on what to do if problems occur. I will send you my make disk guides via private email. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 9 11:11:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA16186 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA16177 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:11:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA12494; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:10:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:10:47 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: David Holloway cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: worst man page award In-Reply-To: <199701091405.GAA18430@tamis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, David Holloway wrote: > my worst man page award goes too.... drum roolll > > fsinfo(8) > > I should go egg the BSD office for this one... 4th floor Soda hall? No, the XFree86 Project. It's an X11 manpage. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 9 12:07:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA19008 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA19003 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:07:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA10674; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:07:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:07:16 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Doug White cc: David Holloway , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: worst man page award In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Doug White wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, David Holloway wrote: > > > my worst man page award goes too.... drum roolll > > > > fsinfo(8) > > > > I should go egg the BSD office for this one... 4th floor Soda hall? > > No, the XFree86 Project. > > It's an X11 manpage. fsinfo(8) != fsinfo(1) -john From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 9 12:32:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA20107 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:32:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA20102 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:32:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov (daemon@cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.101]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20040; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 20:32:21 GMT Received: from auk.fsl.noaa.gov by cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov with SMTP (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA180871940; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 20:32:20 GMT Message-Id: <32D55643.7B12@fsl.noaa.gov> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 13:34:12 -0700 From: Sean Kelly Organization: CIRA/NOAA X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/725) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Doug White Cc: David Holloway , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: worst man page award References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Doug White wrote: > > my worst man page award goes too.... drum roolll > > fsinfo(8) > No, the XFree86 Project. > It's an X11 manpage. No, that's fsinfo(1). He's talking about fsinfo(8), the amd filesystem info man page. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 9 15:57:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA29302 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:57:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA29297 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:57:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov (daemon@cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.101]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21586 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 23:57:23 GMT Received: from auk.fsl.noaa.gov by cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov with SMTP (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA214594242; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 23:57:22 GMT Message-Id: <32D58652.33D7@fsl.noaa.gov> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 16:59:14 -0700 From: Sean Kelly Organization: CIRA/NOAA X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/725) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Minor change to src/share/doc/handbook/printing.sgml Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Could someone with commit privs get this change checked in? Index: printing.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home2h/FreeBSD.cvsroot/src/share/doc/handbook/printing.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.14 diff -u -r1.14 printing.sgml --- printing.sgml 1996/12/31 21:54:20 1.14 +++ printing.sgml 1997/01/03 21:49:42 @@ -3018,7 +3018,7 @@ [ "$login" ] || fail "No login name" [ "$host" ] || fail "No host name" -( /u/kelly/freebsd/printing/filters/make-ps-header $login $host "DVI File" +( /usr/local/libexec/make-ps-header $login $host "DVI File" /usr/local/bin/dvips -f ) | eval /usr/local/libexec/lprps $orig_args Notice how the filter has to parse the argument list in From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 9 16:06:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA29686 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 16:06:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA29681 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 16:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA12823; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 16:05:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 16:05:48 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Sean Kelly cc: David Holloway , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: worst man page award In-Reply-To: <32D55643.7B12@fsl.noaa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Sean Kelly wrote: > No, that's fsinfo(1). He's talking about fsinfo(8), the amd filesystem > info man page. Apparently my reply didn't get back to -doc; Sorry, I got bit by the man page section behavior. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 10 14:06:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA05941 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:06:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA05935 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov (daemon@cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.101]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27420 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 22:06:37 GMT Received: from auk.fsl.noaa.gov by cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov with SMTP (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA066423996; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 22:06:36 GMT Message-Id: <32D6BDDF.176F@fsl.noaa.gov> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:08:31 -0700 From: Sean Kelly Organization: CIRA/NOAA X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/725) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: [Fwd: ANNOUNCE: DocBook V3.0 released] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------6D34307F1B6" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6D34307F1B6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many of you probably saw this already ... so ignore this message. :-) --------------6D34307F1B6 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov by cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov with ESMTP (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA264678917; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 17:55:17 GMT Return-Path: Received: from amber.ora.com (amber.ora.com [198.112.208.11]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA25564 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 17:55:16 GMT Received: (from server@localhost) by amber.ora.com (8.6.13/8.6.11) id MAA22506; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:41:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:41:13 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970110173947.42df11cc@village.doctools.com> Errors-To: listown@online.ora.com Reply-To: elm@arbortext.com Originator: davenport@online.ora.com Sender: davenport@online.ora.com Precedence: bulk From: "Eve L. Maler" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ANNOUNCE: DocBook V3.0 released X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Davenport Group General Distribution List X-Comment: To unsubscribe send message to listproc@online.ora.com "unsubscribe davenport" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mime-Version: 1.0 After several months (and a heroic documentation effort by Terry and Norm -- thanks, guys!), DocBook V3.0 is finally ready for release. Happy new year, all... Eve * * * 6 January 1997 SUMMARY: DocBook Version 3.0 has been released and is now available from the Davenport Group's Web site (accessible through http://www.ora.com/davenport and ftp://ftp.ora.com/pub/davenport/). Some of the new and changed features of this version are as follows: o Reworking of the bibliographic markup to make it more flexible and usable. o New retrieval metadata that applies to whole divisions: flat keywords, hierarchical subject topics, and sets of index terms. o New inline elements: ErrorCode, Prompt, and EnVar. o Broadening of FuncSynopsis content. o Broadening of Article content. o Changeover to the SGML Open CALS full table model. o New parameterization scheme for the Role attribute that makes it easier to customize Role individually for each element. Current DocBook users should note that a handful of planned backwards-incompatible changes have been made. In general, these should not adversely affect existing documents. Note also that comments have been added to the DTD to reflect the planned backwards-incompatible changes that will be made in V4.0 (no delivery date scheduled). There is also a 40issues.txt file in the DocBook distribution that summarizes these planned changes. Maintainers and other DTD readers may want to take note of a few small name changes that have been made to parameter entities; these may affect existing customization layers. Updated reference documentation for V3.0 is available; fully updated maintenance and user's documentation is forthcoming. You can download the files related to DocBook V3.0 from the following locations: o ftp://ftp.ora.com/pub/davenport/docbook/docbk30.tar.Z (requires tar and uncompress) o ftp://ftp.ora.com/pub/davenport/docbook/docbk30.zip (requires pkunzip) Comments on DocBook are always welcome. You can send comments and questions to the Davenport list (davenport@online.ora.com), or directly to the maintainers of DocBook, Terry Allen (tallen@fsc.fujitsu.com) and Eve Maler (elm@arbortext.com). Thank you. --------------6D34307F1B6-- From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 10 19:35:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA23995 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:35:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA23990 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA14872; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 22:35:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 22:35:29 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Sean Kelly cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: ANNOUNCE: DocBook V3.0 released] In-Reply-To: <32D6BDDF.176F@fsl.noaa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=------------6D34307F1B6 Content-ID: Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --------------6D34307F1B6 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-ID: On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Sean Kelly wrote: > Many of you probably saw this already ... so ignore this message. :-) ...and just after I brought in 2.4.1. :( I've been pondering whether or not to support multiple versions and have pretty much decided against it at this point because in most cases, the incompatible changes are pretty minor and highly unlikely to cause problems. Thus, "upgrading" the docs is simply a matter of changing the doctype declaration. Opinions? Also, any cvs wizards want to explain the preferred way to lay a new version of something over an older version? -john --------------6D34307F1B6-- From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 11 14:31:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA10496 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 14:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA10487; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 14:31:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.8.2/8.8.2/frmug-1.3) with UUCP id XAA00758; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 23:31:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xp11.frmug.org (8.8.4/8.7.3/xp11-uucp-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA16958; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 12:36:44 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199701111136.MAA16958@xp11.frmug.org> To: doc@FreeBSD.org cc: phk@FreeBSD.org Subject: CTM todo list in handbook should be updated Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 12:36:44 +0100 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Isn't it a little old? ------ ------ Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr (smtp) charnier@xp11.frmug.org (uucp) ``a PC not running FreeBSD is like a venusian with no tentacles'' ------------------------------------------------------------------------