From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jan 12 00:57:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA16987 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 00:57:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA16982 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 00:57:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.dk.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0vjLiU-0003vmC; Sun, 12 Jan 97 00:56 PST Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (critter-home [193.162.32.19]) by schizo.dk.tfs.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18882; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 09:56:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.dk.tfs.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id JAA13142; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 09:57:08 +0100 (MET) To: "Philippe Charnier" cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: CTM todo list in handbook should be updated In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 11 Jan 1997 12:36:44 +0100." <199701111136.MAA16958@xp11.frmug.org> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 09:57:07 +0100 Message-ID: <13140.853059427@critter.dk.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199701111136.MAA16958@xp11.frmug.org>, "Philippe Charnier" writes: >Hi, > >Isn't it a little old? It's very old. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Power and ignorance is a disgusting cocktail. From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jan 12 13:17:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA22593 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 13:17:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA22583 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 13:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from 128.8.22.170 (annex8-26.dial.umd.edu [128.8.22.170]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA02308 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 16:17:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32D954E3.311F@glue.umd.edu> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 16:17:25 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Bowman" Reply-To: crb@glue.umd.edu Organization: University Of Maryland X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: missing link Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The IP aliasing link from http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/index.html does not seem to exist. Perhaps this link should be updated or deleted. --------- Christopher R. Bowman crb@eng.umd.edu My home page From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jan 12 13:21:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA22861 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 13:21:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from perki0.connect.com.au (perki0.connect.com.au [192.189.54.85]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA22853 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 13:21:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from Unemeton@localhost) by perki0.connect.com.au id IAA03522 (8.7.6h/IDA-1.6); Mon, 13 Jan 1997 08:20:38 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: perki0.connect.com.au: Unemeton set sender to giles@nemeton.com.au using -f >Received: from localhost.nemeton.com.au (localhost.nemeton.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by nemeton.com.au (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA29419; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 08:15:16 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199701122115.IAA29419@nemeton.com.au> To: Eivind Eklund cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new texinfo is busted! In-reply-to: <3.0.32.19970112145449.009da940@dimaga.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 08:15:16 +1100 From: Giles Lean Content-Type: text Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Moved to freebsd-doc from freebsd-hackers.] On Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:54:50 +0100 Eivind Eklund wrote: > While we're at it, it > would even be nice to have the man-pages as HTML - not as a replacement > format, but as an alternative. Look at: http://er4www.eng.ohio-state.edu/~jschrock/ This "man2html" is a /bin/sh script (yikes!) but does a really good job of on the fly man page to HTML. (It parses the nroff *output*, which is an interesting approach.) For speed and/or safety on public web servers some putting the output up rather than running the CGI might be advised. :-) There are half a squillion other converters, too, but this one I know to work well. Giles From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 13 09:56:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA25595 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA25562 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:56:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA00515; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:51:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:48:12 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Giles Lean cc: Eivind Eklund , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: new texinfo is busted! In-Reply-To: <199701122115.IAA29419@nemeton.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Giles Lean wrote: > This "man2html" is a /bin/sh script (yikes!) but does a really good > job of on the fly man page to HTML. (It parses the nroff *output*, > which is an interesting approach.) And probably the most reliable, short of implementing a good share of nroff. :( That is the beauty of SGML -- the parser becomes an a tool independent of any particular application. Just implement it once in a library, and applications don't have to deal with any of that grunt work. On the other hand, man pages consistently marked up with the mdoc macros could probably converted from source form without too much difficulty, but it would be far more productive to convert them to the docbook DTD than HTML. Then you could just ditch the roff source. :) -john From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 13 10:05:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA26159 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 10:05:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA26153 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 10:05:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA00532; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:59:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:59:12 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber Reply-To: John Fieber To: "Christopher R. Bowman" cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: missing link In-Reply-To: <32D954E3.311F@glue.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, Christopher R. Bowman wrote: > The IP aliasing link from http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/index.html > does not seem to exist. Perhaps this link should be updated or deleted. Fixing it right now. In th meantime, http://lightstorm.gage.com/~black/ipalias.html is the new home. -john From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jan 14 12:53:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA06478 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from aone.com (aone.com [204.245.242.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA06466 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:53:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from PC_gravey.aone.com (ppp24.lb.aone.com [206.163.32.218]) by aone.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA17293 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:51:25 -0800 Message-ID: Read-Receipt-To: "Gilbert Garcia" Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Gilbert Garcia" Subject: Free Handie Bookie Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 12:44:07 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Request for... From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 15 05:18:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id FAA27956 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 05:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [15.253.72.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id FAA27951 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 05:18:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from fakir.india.hp.com (fakir.india.hp.com [15.10.40.3]) by palrel1.hp.com with ESMTP (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA13602 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 05:18:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by fakir.india.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.20/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA253546261; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:51:01 +0500 Message-Id: <199701151351.AA253546261@fakir.india.hp.com> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Any tutorials on docbook? Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:51:01 +0500 From: A JOSEPH KOSHY Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Are there any tutorials on using DocBook? Do we have any examples of Docbook use in the 3.0-current tree? Thanks, Koshy From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 15 06:18:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA03835 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 06:18:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA03825 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 06:18:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA07404; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:15:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:15:28 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: A JOSEPH KOSHY cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any tutorials on docbook? In-Reply-To: <199701151351.AA253546261@fakir.india.hp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, A JOSEPH KOSHY wrote: > Are there any tutorials on using DocBook? Do we have any examples of > Docbook use in the 3.0-current tree? Funny you should ask. I just started working on one yesterday. The resources that exist now include: The documentation that comes with Docbook is pretty good. It can be found at http://www.ora.com/davenport/dbdoc/. The user's guide and reference are the most relevant here. The reference contains document fragments illustrating each element in use. Sample documents. The docbook documentation is, naturally, written using docbook. I have some other documents, include the Digital Unix Technical Overview and System Administration Guide, the latter of which is larger than our own handbook. I'm also working on marking up the FreeBSD tutorials and will put them on the web as I have them done. I'll see about putting these together on a web page sometime today. An issue I'm still hammering out as I markup the sample documents is markup recommendations. Docbook is rich enough that you could potentially end up with more markup than content in your document! For example, in running text, you could have: ... rm -rf / ... or ... rm -rf / ... or ... rm / ... and so on. For running text, I tend to favor the first form, except when command syntax is being defined. The markup guide I'm working on will be not so much a guide to docbook, as a narrowing of its scope to something manageable. The other practical concern is that implementing all possible docbook constructs in a docbook -> whatever conversion is a huge task. I'm trying to identify *supported* constructs. The results of my automated linuxdoc to docbook conversion, unfortunately, do *not* yield good examples of docbook markup. Bunches of things that can be usefully marked up in docbook simply are not marked up because Linuxdoc has no equivalent elements (for example, tips and warnings) while others have a one to many mapping. Most in-line typographic treatment in Linuxdoc is done with ..., ... and .... Docbook does have a generic emphasis element, there is no equivalent to the others. My conversion tries out bunches of regex expressions on the content of ... and friends to guess the content (eg something with slashes, like /etc/sysconfig gets turned into /etc/sysconfig, rm -r becomes rm -r, and foo@bar.org becomes foo@bar.org. Unfortunately, there are limits to the accuracy and a fair number of things get mis-interpreted. Realizing that legacy documents would be converted to docbook, the creaters endowed every element with a "remap" attribute. When a ... or ... cannot be figured out, it just comes out as ... or .... The other notable difference is that the text used to identify a cross reference is specified where the reference is made in linuxdoc, while in docbook, it is specified (or inferred from) the target. Again, the remap attribute on the tag is used to simulate linuxdoc behavior, but that should *not* be used for any new documents. -john From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 15 10:19:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA15189 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA15184 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:19:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA28720 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA09020 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:18:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:18:18 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Docbook resources Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber/docbook/ -john From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 15 20:56:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA00639 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from topeka.cjnetworks.com (topeka.cjnetworks.com [206.52.158.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA00633 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:56:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tdsmith@localhost) by topeka.cjnetworks.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id WAA22906; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 22:56:02 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 22:56:00 -0600 (CST) From: Troy Smith To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: web (and distribution!) update needed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry to have to tell you this, but the Feds have changed the export rules again Re: encryption. Basically, nobody in the US can export jack unless they provide a back door for the feds. You probably are already aware of this, but this passage from the web page indicates not: ____________________ If password security for FreeBSD is all you need and you have no requirement for copying encrypted passwords from different hosts (Suns, DEC machines, etc) into FreeBSD password entries, then FreeBSD's MD5 based security may be all you require! We feel that our default security model is more than a match for DES, and without any messy export issues to deal with. If you're outside (or even inside) the U.S., give it a try! This snapshot also includes support for mixed password files - either DES or MD5 passwords will be accepted, making it easier to transition from one scheme to the other. ________________ Now, if you've provided a back door, then you're cool with the feds, but if you haven't, and you still allow overseas ftp, you could be in deep sh*t. I dislike all this nonsense as much as the next guy, but, until the rules are changed, they're the ones we'll go to prison over. Hate being a wet blanket, Troy Smith From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 15 22:44:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA06026 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 22:44:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA06021 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 22:44:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA07035; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 22:44:51 -0800 (PST) To: Troy Smith cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: web (and distribution!) update needed In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Jan 1997 22:56:00 CST." Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 22:44:50 -0800 Message-ID: <7032.853397090@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Sorry to have to tell you this, but the Feds have changed the export > rules again Re: encryption. Basically, nobody in the US can export jack MD5 is not encryption technology. Jordan From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 16 05:35:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id FAA21345 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 05:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id FAA21340 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 05:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA21637 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 08:35:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 08:35:28 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Cron /usr/local/www/bin/webupdate (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ***ALWAYS*** check your work before committing, even if you are absolutely sure. On freefall, there is a handy little command called `htmlcheck'. Just do: htmlcheck newsflash.sgml before committing. If errors, then fix. -john ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 04:00:26 -0800 (PST) From: Cron Daemon To: jfieber@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Cron /usr/local/www/bin/webupdate sgmlnorm -d -c /usr/local/share/sgml/HTML/catalog newsflash.sgml > newsflash.html sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:31:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:32:7:E: document type does not allow element `UL' here; assuming missing `LI' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:48:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:62:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:73:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:79:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:89:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:131:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:161:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:178:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:222:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:269:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:367:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:377:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:392:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:402:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:469:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:477:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:514:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:549:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:589:7:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:621:3:E: document type does not allow element `H2' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:635:8:E: document type does not allow element `ADDRESS' here; missing one of `DIV', `CENTER', `BLOCKQUOTE', `FORM' start-tag sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:636:6:E: end tag for `UL' omitted, but its declaration does not permit this sgmlnorm:newsflash.sgml:22:4: start tag was here *** Error code 1 Stop. From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 16 08:10:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA28243 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 08:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from arl-img-1.compuserve.com (arl-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.217.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA28232 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 08:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by arl-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id LAA14169; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:09:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:09:10 -0500 From: mark verna Subject: help To: "doc@freebsd.org doc@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <199701161109_MC2-F58-1030@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-doc@FREEBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk how do i get free bse thank you tco_@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 16 12:11:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA10632 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:11:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from itsdsv1.enc.edu (itsdsv1.enc.edu [207.95.42.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA10627 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:11:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from dingo.its.enc.edu (dingo.its.enc.edu [207.95.222.250]) by itsdsv1.enc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03261 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 15:10:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 15:18:28 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Owens X-Sender: owensc@dingo.its.enc.edu To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Newbie looking for flexible doc system Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm trying to sort out the options available to me in the SGML world and was hoping someone here could shed some light. What I need is a system that will allow, without too much pain, the user to produce output in multiple formats (print and HTML, mostly) from a single set of source files. I'm _almost_ happy with the LyX -> linuxdoc approach except that from what I can tell the linuxdoc DTD doesn't support the inclusion of images, which is a must for my application. I've begun to investigate the Docbook DTD, but the whole SGML thing is so huge... a bit overwhelming. I'd appreciate any suggestions and pointers that might point in a valid direction. Thanks very much (please cc: me directly, as I'm not subscribed to this list), --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu "I read somewhere to learn is to Information Technology Services remember... and I've learned that Eastern Nazarene College we've all forgot..." - King's X ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 17 03:31:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA24603 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 03:31:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.dcro.dla.mil ([33.19.104.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id DAA24598 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 03:31:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from tensbum (col-oh1-19.ix.netcom.com [199.183.200.51]) by lists.dcro.dla.mil (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id GAA00464; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 06:27:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701171127.GAA00464@lists.dcro.dla.mil> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Michael P. Deslippe" Organization: Defense Contract Management Command To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Troy Smith Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 06:31:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: web (and distribution!) update needed Reply-to: bgy2452@lists.dcro.dla.mil Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 22:56:00 -0600 (CST) > From: Troy Smith > To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org > Subject: web (and distribution!) update needed > Sorry to have to tell you this, but the Feds have changed the export > rules again Re: encryption. Basically, nobody in the US can export jack > unless they provide a back door for the feds. You probably are already > aware of this, but this passage from the web page indicates not: To what timeframe do you refer when you say "changed the export rules" - the Clipper Chip laws failed the legal review and were never implemented. Did something happen subsequent to that to change the law? Forcing a "back door" remains unconstitutional as far as I know. Please provide a reference. ---Mike > ____________________ > > If password security for FreeBSD is all you need and you have no > requirement for copying encrypted passwords from different hosts > (Suns, DEC machines, etc) into FreeBSD password entries, then > FreeBSD's MD5 based security may be all you require! We feel that our > default security model is more than a match for DES, and without any > messy export issues to deal with. If you're outside (or even inside) > the U.S., give it a try! This snapshot also includes support for > mixed password files - either DES or MD5 passwords will be accepted, > making it easier to transition from one scheme to the other. > ________________ > > Now, if you've provided a back door, then you're cool with the feds, but > if you haven't, and you still allow overseas ftp, you could be in deep > sh*t. I dislike all this nonsense as much as the next guy, but, until > the rules are changed, they're the ones we'll go to prison over. > > Hate being a wet blanket, > > Troy Smith > > From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 17 09:02:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA14227 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA14222 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:02:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA25992; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:02:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:02:10 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber Reply-To: John Fieber To: Charles Owens cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie looking for flexible doc system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Charles Owens wrote: > I'm trying to sort out the options available to me in the SGML world and > was hoping someone here could shed some light. > > What I need is a system that will allow, without too much pain, the user > to produce output in multiple formats (print and HTML, mostly) from a > single set of source files. > > I'm _almost_ happy with the LyX -> linuxdoc approach except that from what > I can tell the linuxdoc DTD doesn't support the inclusion of images, which > is a must for my application. I've begun to investigate the Docbook DTD, > but the whole SGML thing is so huge... a bit overwhelming. > > I'd appreciate any suggestions and pointers that might point in a valid > direction. SGML does take a lot of chewing before it is digestible. It is often misunderstood misunderstood. The best non-technical survey of what SGML is all about is Liora Alschuler's "ABCD...SGML" (ISBN 1-850-32197-3). It contains the historical and background and many case studies of SGML applications. For someone raised with a computer science world view, many things in SGML can be puzzling until you understand the motivations behind the design. Unfortunately, few SGML books describe the context of SGML very well. A more technical book than "ABCD...SGML" that does address context is "Developing SGML DTDs" by Eve Maler and Jeanne El Andaloussi. Eve Maler is the architect of the current Docbook DTD. More concretely for your situation, if you conclude SGML is valuable, Docbook is a much better route than Linuxdoc in the long run, assuming you are dealing with computer related documents, or at least technical documents. If, on the other hand, having SGML in your document chain is not that important, you may be better off with LaTeX. There is at least one pretty good LaTeX to HTML converter. However, as a testament to the utility of using SGML, it only took me an afternoon to hack together a decent Linuxdoc to Docbook conversion. A LaTeX to Docbook would have been considerably more difficult since I would have had to write a parser. A great strength of SGML is that you only have to write a parser once, and all applications can use it. There is definitely a "Some Assembly Required" qualification to using suggesting the use of Docbook and the pickings for freely available tools are pretty thin at the moment. There are at least two excellent SGML parsers available. One, sgmls, is used in FreeBSD. It is fairly compact and quick, but no longer being developed by the author. The second, SP, takes the form of a C++ class library and comes with a couple command line applications, one of which duplicates the functionality of sgmls. SP has very comprehensive support of the SGML standard. If I recall correctly, the only SGML feature it doesn't support is CONCUR, which has dubious utility anyway. It also supports 16 bit characters with EUC, JIS and UTF-8 encoding for input and output. SP is rather huge though. The shared library tips the scales at 1.5 megabytes! Of course, parsing is just the beginning. You have to *do* something with the parsed document and this is where the tools thin out rapidly. The up and coming tool for formatting is Jade, which uses the SP parser. Jade implements a bunch of the DSSSL standard which provides a powerful scheme (as in the programming language) derived interface for manipulating the document to generate what is called a "flow object tree", or in plain English, a series of objects expressed in terms that page layout software can understand--boxes and lines, and containers of text to be typeset. A backend processor turns the flow object tree into a specific layout language. The best backend so far generates RTF. The HTML output is not particularly useful (yet). There is skeletal support for TeX--the backend just outputs macros calls representing objects in the flow object tree. Someone TeX wizard needs to actually write the macros. The tool I'm using for FreeBSD is called instant (for manipulating SGML document INSTANces). Instant was sort of developed by the OSF. I say "sort of" because there are a lot of limitations and bugs. It works well for relatively simple DTD such as Linuxdoc, but as the DTD complexity increases becomes a headache of non-trivial proportions. My Docbook to HTML conversion is hitting the limitations pretty hard at this point Fortunately I got a pretty usable subset of the DTD handled before the headache started getting bad! Even in the presence of DSSSL, an instant-like tool is very useful. DSSSL is, for example, not appropriate for converting between two DTDs, or doing other arbitrary document manipulations. As such, I have been pondering a re-write of it, but given other responsibilities, I don't see that happening any time soon. My Docbook to HTML conversion is in FreeBSD-current. See http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber/docbook for examples of the output and instructions on how to use it. COST is a tcl based general purpose SGML manipulation tool worthy of investigation. Generally, most tools that exist can be found at http://www.sil.org/sgml/sgml.html. Finally, I should mention that the Linuxdoc DTD does support images, but but the support must be carried all the way through to the end product to be of use. In FreeBSD, the Linuxdoc to LaTeX conversion supports inclusion of encapsulated postscript, assuming dvips is used to process TeX's output. It would be trivial to support encapsulated postscript in the Linuxdoc to groff conversion as well. I have implemented similar support for another DTD I use [ISO12083]. Note that the Linuxdoc to latex conversion is currently broken in other ways and I am more inclined to drop support for that conversion than fix it, since the Linuxdoc to groff now works quite well. -john From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 17 13:01:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA25223 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:01:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from perki0.connect.com.au (perki0.connect.com.au [192.189.54.85]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA25216 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by perki0.connect.com.au id IAA27008 (8.7.6h/IDA-1.6); Sat, 18 Jan 1997 08:01:06 +1100 (EST) >Received: from localhost.nemeton.com.au (localhost.nemeton.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by nemeton.com.au (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id HAA09846; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 07:46:47 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199701172046.HAA09846@nemeton.com.au> To: John Fieber cc: Charles Owens , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie looking for flexible doc system In-reply-to: Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 07:46:46 +1100 From: Giles Lean Content-Type: text Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:02:10 -0500 (EST) John Fieber wrote: > The second, SP, takes the form of a C++ ... The shared library tips > the scales at 1.5 megabytes! To encourage people though, it builds really easily on different platforms. (OK, I've only used gcc ... usual C++ warnings on compilers apply.) And think, 1.5Mb is what ... 50c these days? :) Thanks John to the pointers to written documentation -- SGML still has me scratching my head. I don't "get it" yet. Off to the bookshop ... Giles From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 18 07:23:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA12988 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 07:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from river.netrover.com (river.netrover.com [204.50.56.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA12983 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 07:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from quebec22.netrover.com (quebec22.netrover.com [205.209.21.31]) by river.netrover.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27777 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 10:24:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 10:24:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701181524.KAA27777@river.netrover.com> X-Sender: boot@netrover.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: boot@netrover.com (phatom) Subject: Installation failure X-Mailer: Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hi! i'am new user for FreeBSD i have serious problem to install FreeBSD at the installation after fdisk etc... 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From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 18 07:25:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA13044 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 07:25:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from river.netrover.com (river.netrover.com [204.50.56.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA13039 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 07:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from quebec22.netrover.com (quebec22.netrover.com [205.209.21.31]) by river.netrover.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27883; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 10:25:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 10:25:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701181525.KAA27883@river.netrover.com> X-Sender: boot@netrover.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: boot@netrover.com (phatom) Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hi! i'am new user for FreeBSD i have serious problem to install FreeBSD at the installation after fdisk etc... He write message below (Write Failure on transfert!(WROTE -1BYTES OF 1024 BYTES)) What the probleme on my computer?????????????? this my hard drive incompatibility quantum sirrocco 1.7 gig and the second hard drive samsumg 1.2 gig. Please Help me!! Thanks a lot!