From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 18 00:27:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA15443 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 18 May 1997 00:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maciek.gv.edu.pl (maciek.gv.edu.pl [195.117.86.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA15436 for ; Sun, 18 May 1997 00:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pppk.tu.kielce.pl ([193.59.4.115]) by maciek.gv.edu.pl (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA06042 for ; Sun, 18 May 1997 09:29:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <337EADD1.7C59@gv.edu.pl> Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 09:20:49 +0200 From: Andrzej Szydlo Reply-To: andrzej@gv.edu.pl X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: NIS docs - plans, suggestions? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi All, Thanks to the help of other FreeBSD users I have my NIS on FreeBSD running. Since this part of the documentation is still missing and no other documentation can replace it with all the details, Im going to gather all I know and what I received form others and write the docs. Is anyone else working on it? Any suggestions and guidelines are very welcome. Andrzej From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 18 09:22:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02592 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 18 May 1997 09:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host.yab.com (Lynx_User@host.yab.com [207.218.4.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02587 for ; Sun, 18 May 1997 09:22:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynx_User@host.yab.com Received: (from Lynx_User@localhost) by host.yab.com (8.7.3/8.6.9) id JAA26690; Sun, 18 May 1997 09:33:00 -0700 Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 09:33:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199705181633.JAA26690@host.yab.com> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.2 Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Personal_ From: Subject: Hi It wouldn't let me abort the message so I assume its mandatory.. I guess I should just say hi because I don't know what else to put /s From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 18 21:07:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA01317 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 18 May 1997 21:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atom.skku.ac.kr (atom.skku.ac.kr [203.252.58.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA01309 for ; Sun, 18 May 1997 21:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by atom.skku.ac.kr (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01975; Mon, 19 May 1997 15:38:05 +0900 (KST) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:38:05 +0900 (KST) Message-Id: <199705190638.PAA01975@atom.skku.ac.kr> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-URL: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.7 X-Personal_name: lsh From: lsh@nova2.skku.ac.kr Subject: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 19 03:07:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA12707 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 19 May 1997 03:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tiger.korea.ac.kr (tiger.korea.ac.kr [163.152.209.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA12699 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 03:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [163.152.215.75] by tiger.korea.ac.kr (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA59806; Mon, 19 May 1997 18:59:36 +0900 Message-Id: <3380286F.5DAC@tiger.korea.ac.kr> Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:16:15 +0900 From: kim jung hyup X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: hi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk i wanna get free BSD handbook how could i get that???? could u send to me? thank you very much 5/19 kim jung hyup From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 19 03:18:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA13275 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 19 May 1997 03:18:24 -0700 (PDT) From: owner-doc Received: from prime.keifan.net (dial057.kse.kuwait.net [194.54.236.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA13265 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 03:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by prime.keifan.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00479; Mon, 19 May 1997 13:19:17 +0300 (AST) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:19:17 +0300 (AST) Message-Id: <199705191019.NAA00479@prime.keifan.net> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-URL: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.7 Subject: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 19 03:18:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA13279 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 19 May 1997 03:18:25 -0700 (PDT) From: owner-doc Received: from prime.keifan.net (dial057.kse.kuwait.net [194.54.236.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA13266 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 03:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by prime.keifan.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00475; Mon, 19 May 1997 13:19:07 +0300 (AST) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:19:07 +0300 (AST) Message-Id: <199705191019.NAA00475@prime.keifan.net> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-URL: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.7 Subject: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk d From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 19 07:09:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA22754 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 19 May 1997 07:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from coconut.blueberry.co.uk ([194.70.52.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA22749 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 07:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by coconut.blueberry.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA28874; Mon, 19 May 1997 15:09:02 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19970519150902.46095@blueberry.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:09:02 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: DocBook, multiple files, and links Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69e Organization: Blueberry New Media Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How do, I'm a bit of a DocBook neophyte, learning by example and by working my way through the information at http://www.ora.com/davenport/. So far, things are going fairly well. However, one thing's got me stumped so far. I'm trying to put together some documentation about e-mail, and how it's handled. So far, I've subdivided the topic into several ``books'', one for sendmail, one for procmail, one for Majordomo, and so on. Each of these books has several chapters. I can produce HTML files from these books with no problems. However, now I want to include links from one book to another. The procmail book should include links back to some of the chapters in the sendmail book, and so on. The question is, how do I do this properly? I could use the tag. But I'm then hardcoding some URLs into the DocBook file that I don't really want to do. If I use (which I think I should be) it doesn't handle xrefs to documents that are held in a different file. If I try and merge these books together into one big file then I get one big HTML file, not what I want either. I'm using sgmls and instant, as documented at http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber/docbook/markupguide.html I guess I'm missing something obvious, but I can't see what. Any and all suggestions gratefully received. N -- --+=[ Blueberry Hill Blueberry New Media ]=+-- --+=[ http://www.blueberry.co.uk/ 1/9 Chelsea Harbour Design Centre, ]=+-- --+=[ WebMaster@blueberry.co.uk London, England, SW10 0XE ]=+-- --+=[ Those who do not read Dilbert are doomed to repeat it ]ENTP From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 19 07:35:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA24286 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 19 May 1997 07:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA24265 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 07:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from campa.panke.de (anonymous215.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.215]) by bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24270 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 16:34:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA00853; Mon, 19 May 1997 14:25:44 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 14:25:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199705191225.OAA00853@campa.panke.de> From: Wolfram Schneider To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Compress handbook & FAQ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think we should commpress the handbook and the FAQ by default. Comments? wosch 97/05/10 17:32:15 Modified: share/mk bsd.sgml.mk Log: Support compressed output. Default is uncompressed output format. Fix print target. Revision Changes Path 1.18 +46 -10 src/share/mk/bsd.sgml.mk -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.apfel.de/~wosch/ From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 19 14:36:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19175 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 19 May 1997 14:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laguna.arc.unm.edu (laguna.arc.unm.edu [198.59.173.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19170 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 14:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.unm.edu (ppp-056.unm.edu [129.24.14.56]) by laguna.arc.unm.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10337 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 15:36:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970519153421.00696ad0@arc.unm.edu> X-Sender: shawnhsu@arc.unm.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:34:21 -0600 To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Xu, Xiang" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe ================================= Xu, Xiang Bigi International USA Inc. email: bigiintl@sprintmail.com http://www.bigiintl.com Tel:(505)830-1443 FAX:(505)830-1448 2501, San Pedro, N.E. Suite 208 Albuquerque, NM 87110, U.S.A. From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 20 12:27:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20769 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 20 May 1997 12:27:55 -0700 (PDT) From: owner-doc Received: from ns3.octet.com (ns3.octet.com [204.107.183.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20764 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 12:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from llo@localhost) by ns3.octet.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) id PAA14825; Tue, 20 May 1997 15:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705201927.PAA14825@ns3.octet.com> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-URL: mailto:freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2-4-2 Subject: mailto:freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORGq! Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk q1 From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 20 12:44:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA21692 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 20 May 1997 12:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21687 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 12:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.Stanford.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA12624; Tue, 20 May 1997 12:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:44:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Wolfram Schneider cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compress handbook & FAQ In-Reply-To: <199705191225.OAA00853@campa.panke.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 19 May 1997, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > I think we should commpress the handbook and the FAQ > by default. Comments? As one who came to FreeBSD without knowing unix not so long ago, I think the basic documents should be available (both on the hard drive and on www.freebsd.org) in uncompressed plain text. Last time I looked, www.freebsd.org claims to offer the handbook and FAQ in plain text, but it does not. These are the critical documents, along with a few others on the install cd, that new users are going to get and probably print from dos or Windows. Doing so should not require knowing how to process the documents to get them into a readable (searchable) and printable format. So, one vote for uncompressed plain text. I realize that with plain text the formatting that attempts to distinguish among commands, variables, and so forth is lost, a fact that might be kept in mind when drafting documentation. Annelise From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 20 17:27:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA06628 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 20 May 1997 17:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from milo.cfw.com (milo.cfw.com [205.219.240.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06581; Tue, 20 May 1997 17:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from RAs12wb17.cfw.com by milo.cfw.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/12Dec95-0403PM) id AA32413; Tue, 20 May 1997 20:26:06 -0400 Message-Id: <9705210026.AA32413@milo.cfw.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "Paul Missman" To: , , Cc: "Ron Perry" , "Lori M. Snyder" , , Subject: PPP support in FreeBSD Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:29:39 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (Note: If you don't care about freeBSD or PPP, you may skip this and go on to the next email in your inbox). :o) (Also note: This information applies to freeBSD version 2.2.1 and user mode PPP version 0.94.) This email has several purposes: 1. To provide an easy to use route to setting up PPP under freeBSD. 2. To thank everyone who has provided me with suggestions over the past couple of days. The reason for this is that I just spent most of my spare time for the last 4 days, trying to get PPP to function correctly on my freeBSD operating system. The debugging was complicated by the fact that: this is the first time I have installed PPP, I have an ethernet connected to the box also, making me unsure of some of the routes problems which crept in, and PPP can exhibit some not-so-nice behavior if you feed it incorrect information. I'll get into some of the possible problems at the end of this memo. Here is what I suggest that you do when setting up PPP under freeBSD for the first time: 1. If you can do without address resolution temporarily, go into /etc/host.conf and comment out the "bind" statement and other address resolution statements except for "hosts". Also, go into resolv.conf and comment out all the nameservers. You can add these back after you determine that PPP functions with your system. This will make debugging the system easier. 2. Add name and address information to /etc/hosts for a couple of machines you expect to see on the other side of the connection when it comes up. Short form names are a good idea here, as you may be typing these a lot during debugging if things don't go well. 3. Don't try to use a script for PPP to login the first time. Do it manually. 4. This all assumes that the "tun0" device is declared in the sysgen statements for the kernel. It is in the GENERIC kernel supplied with the system, so it should not be a problem. Also watch when your system boots, to make sure the modem is detected during the boot up device search. 5. The "tun0" device must be declared in the networks section of /etc/sysconfig, as outlined in the PPP section of the freeBSD handbook. ( One very good source of advise is this handbook and the PPP man pages.) 6. Input the following: ppp (issued at shell level, brings up user mode ppp) set device /dev/cuaax (where x is the number of the serial port, starting from 0 for sio0. Not needed if using the sio0 device.) disable pred1 deny pred1 (this turns off predictor 1 data compression, which not all gateways can accept. My ISP can't.) term (this puts you in manual mode with the modem) at (resets the modem, wait for "OK" to come back from the modem. If no OK, disconnect and phone line, wait a few seconds, reconnect phone line, and try again. If still no OK, reboot system.) atdtxxxxxxx (dials the ISP, xxxxxxx is the phone number. At this point, modem should dial and connect, and you should get login prompt.) login: xxxxxxxx (at prompt, input your userid.) password: yyyyyyyy (input your password) (now wait for PPP to connect, at which time the "ppp" will change to "PPP" in the ppp prompt. Then wait about 10-15 more seconds) show log (this should show network connection, ending with "myaddr" and "hisaddr" info. if no address yet, wait a few more seconds and input "show log" again. if address shows up as 0.0.0.0, the PPP negotiotion failed. on fail, type "close" and "bye" and try again from the top.) show routes (you should see the routes of "myaddr" and "hisaddr" in the routes table that were displayed in the step above) add 0 0 HISADDR (this should add the HISADDR IP number as the default route in the routing table, assuming, of course you want it as the default, which will be the case for most end users) show routes (check to see that the HISADDR IP number is now the default route in the routing table. if not, wait and do again) When the "hisaddr" IP number shows up as the default route, you should be all ready. At this point, bring up another virtual terminal, and try to ping "localhost", the IP corresponding to HISADDR, and other hosts on the other side of the net. If pings are not going through, do "netstat -i and netstat -r" to check the actual system routing table for the routes seen in "show routes" from PPP. Note: You must leave PPP up on the original terminal for the duration. I am working on a script which will look pretty much like what appears in the freeBSD handbook, which dials and becomes it's own task. I'll send this to cfw.com to publish on their website. Problems: These are some of the problems I experienced when trying to get PPP up and running: 1. The "tun0" device needed to be added to /etc/sysconfig, per instructions in the handbook. 2. PPP, if presented with a bad address, may hang the routing system for the entire OS. Symptoms of this are: No reporting by netstat -r or netstat -i for any interfaces in the system (netstat hangs) (aparently PPP locks the routing tables and does not release them). No successful pings to any host, including localhost. In this case, give PPP the "close" and "bye" commands. If you are lucky, this will release the routing table. If you are not lucky, you will have to reboot. 3. Nameserver connections may obscure debugging, which is why I suggested turning them off if possible for the first go-round. If all the above is successful, you may turn them back on, as described in the PPP section of the handbook. 4. Timeouts in the example script in the handbook were too short for protocol negotiation and testing at my ISP. 5. The /etc/ppp.linkup script aparently isn't called by PPP in manual mode. This should be made clear in the handbook and the man pages. 6. If PPP hangs, kill pid, kill -9 pid, and disconnecting the phone line for a few seconds may be used liberally. So, thanks to all who provided suggestions over the last several days. Some of them were good, some of them made the problems worse, but all contributed to my being able to lay out the steps above, which, I think, should guarantee a good connection, if one can be made at all. I'll send a script that works to www.cfw.com. In the meantime, I suggest that the freeBSD handbook folks might want to use some of the above material in the handbook, which I freely give them perrmission to do. Paul Missman (bits^ on DALnet) From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 21 04:09:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA04403 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 21 May 1997 04:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA04396; Wed, 21 May 1997 04:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0wU9GO-0003wFC; Wed, 21 May 97 04:09 PDT Received: from critter (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.dk.tfs.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01810; Wed, 21 May 1997 13:07:25 +0200 (CEST) To: Stefan Esser cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: Poul-Henning Kamp Subject: Re: isa bus and boca multiport boards In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 May 1997 12:16:33 +0200." <19970521121633.51265@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 13:07:25 +0200 Message-ID: <1808.864212845@critter> Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks Stefan! Isn't this raw material for documentation ? Poul-Henning In message <19970521121633.51265@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de>, Stefan Esser writes: >On May 21, Bruce Evans wrote: >> >> On a P5/133, about 300 pointer dereferences can be >> >> done in the time it takes to do one i/o instruction. >> > >> >I know this discussion was concerning I/O ports on the ISA bus, >> >but I'm curious if you know: How long does a single I/O (read or >> >write) take when accessing an I/O port on the PCI bus? >> >> PCI accesses port accesses seem to average about 3 times faster on my >> system: >> >> Times in usec for inb() from selected ports on an ASUS P55TP4XE with >> a P5/133: >> >> min av max speed important for FreeBSD? >> ----- ----- ----- ---------------------------- >> 0x3d4 (crtc data) 0.393 0.393 0.395 no >> 0x3d5 (crtc data) 0.393 0.393 0.395 no >> 0xe428 (de0 status) 0.332 0.333 0.334 yes (if = data access speed) >> addr+0x14 (ncr0 status) 0.363 0.363 0.394 yes (if = data access s >peed) >> >> I think the minimum access time is 30 nsec for PCI. There are no signs >> of that here. Accesses can be wider than for ISA, but cheap serial >> boards based on 8-bit UARTs are unlikely to implement anything other >> than 8-bit accesses. > >No, PCI uses a bus cycle time of 30ns (33MHz) maximum, >but the shortest access latency to a single data item >is 4 bus clocks (120ns). Your fastest register accesses >seem to require 11 and 13 PCI bus cycles, though. >The NCR chip uses a 12 cycle micro-program that controls >all its operations, which explains the delay you found. > >1) The CPU has to apply all the signals for the port > access, and the host to PCI bridge has to decode > them before it can start a PCI cycle. > >2) The PCI bus may have been "parked" at some other > bus master. In order to give the output drivers > of the current master time to go into a high > impedance state, one cycle of delay is added. > >3) The adresses are driven on the address/data bus > and the byte selects are applied. The PCI chips > now have a few cycles to claim the transaction. > Each device announces its maximum decode delay > in a configuration space register, and it is > typical to specify "middle" speed, which means > one wait state is added while addresses are on > the bus. (This is controlled by a chip-set > register, which is set after the PCI BIOS has > identified the waits required by the slowest > device on the bus.) > >4) While PCI uses positive decoding of address > ranges throughout, there is one exception for > a legacy bus allowed. This means, that after > no PCI device decoded the address on the bus, > the PCI to ISA bridge will claim it and will > generate an ISA port access. > >5) If the ISA compatibility devices are part of > the PCI chip set, this chip set should claim > the transaction. (I.e. there should never be > a ISA transaction generated for accesses to > these ports.) > >6) After the PCI chip (or the PCI to ISA bridge) > has applied the DEVSEL signal, the bus has to > be turned around. This means changing the bus > owner chip, if the host to PCI bridge and the > ISA devices chip are on seperate silicon and > will add the one cycle delay to turn off the > drivers of the chip set. > >7) After the device has claimed the transaction, > it must send data after a maximum of 8 PCI bus > cycles, or it must signal a retry to the chip > set and release the bus (similar to a SCSI > diconnect, but the initiator is responsible > for retrying the transfer at a later time). > >8) After the device sent its data, it will give > up the bus. There will be another cycle of > delay, before the host to PCI bridge will be > able to put an address on the bus again ... > >9) The CPU will receive the data with some delay, > since it flows through a FIFO in the host to > PCI bridge. > >10) There appears to be a "built-in" delay in > the x86 CPUs, which adds a few wait states > independently of any delays caused by the > devices. There also are wait states added > for each I/O by the chip set (I've forgot > the name of that register, but it was some > thing like "I/O recovery"), typically 2 to > 4 cycles, IIRC. > >Regards, STefan -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Power and ignorance is a disgusting cocktail. From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 21 09:51:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA20445 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 21 May 1997 09:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.treknet.net (root@dns.treknet.net [204.163.210.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20433 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 09:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from local.dns.treknet.net (phx-29.treknet.net [204.163.210.53]) by dns.treknet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA03964 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 10:15:57 GMT Message-ID: <33834212.2094@treknet.net> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:42:26 -0700 From: Dan Reply-To: fuss2@treknet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: jaz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I read your note about the zip, jaz, etc. have you looked at something different than the jaz or syquest? The US government is using this: http://www.summatec.com Their advertisement in the May 27 '97 issue of PC Magazine claims 5GB by August Dan From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 21 14:47:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08488 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 21 May 1997 14:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-1b.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08483 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 14:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isotoxin.demon.co.uk ([194.222.190.23]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1018072; 21 May 97 22:05 BST Message-ID: <3383D45A.2DAE@isotoxin.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:06:34 -0700 From: "D.Lewis" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: The handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry if ive missed it somewhere but is there an Ascii version of the handbook anywhere?? I wasnt to print it out under windows (I know its terrible but until ive become a Unixoid!), Latin1 is really no use to me either as I have no converters or WP that will load it. HTML version also dodgy on the Walnut creek CD well the Index wont load the relevant parts anyhow. Thanks for your time. From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 21 15:22:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11214 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 21 May 1997 15:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11205 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 15:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.Stanford.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA16002; Wed, 21 May 1997 15:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 15:22:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: "D.Lewis" cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The handbook In-Reply-To: <3383D45A.2DAE@isotoxin.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 May 1997, D.Lewis wrote: > Sorry if ive missed it somewhere but is there an Ascii version of the > handbook anywhere?? I wasnt to print it out under windows (I know its > terrible but until ive become a Unixoid!), Latin1 is really no use to > me either as I have no converters or WP that will load it. > HTML version also dodgy on the Walnut creek CD well the Index wont load > the relevant parts anyhow. > Thanks for your time. There is no plain text version of the handbook on http://www.freebsd.org, at least not one that I can find, but there is a plain text version on the cd (and probably installed on your hard drive) in /usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.ascii. One way to get a plain text ("ascii") version of the handbook from www.freebsd.org is to download the *.ps version, run ps2ascii on it, and then use fmt on the result. You can give fmt some options to change the target and maximum line lengths it uses. Annelise From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 21 18:40:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21755 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 21 May 1997 18:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21750 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 18:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.Stanford.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA16356; Wed, 21 May 1997 18:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 18:40:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson Reply-To: Annelise Anderson To: "D.Lewis" cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The handbook In-Reply-To: <3383D45A.2DAE@isotoxin.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 May 1997, D.Lewis wrote: > Sorry if ive missed it somewhere but is there an Ascii version of the > handbook anywhere?? I wasnt to print it out under windows (I know its > terrible but until ive become a Unixoid!), Latin1 is really no use to > me either as I have no converters or WP that will load it. > HTML version also dodgy on the Walnut creek CD well the Index wont load > the relevant parts anyhow. > Thanks for your time. Sorry I misunderstood your message the first time--you want to print plain text from dos/Windows. I checked my 2.2.1 cd, live file system, and it seems there is no longer a plain text version of the handbook there. Nor is there one resulting from installation. Thus without converting either the latin1 version or the postscript version, it would seem difficult to get a plain text version to dos/ Windows for printing--or even a plain text version that can be printed from FreeBSD. Annelise From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 21 21:38:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA29873 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 21 May 1997 21:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vinyl.quickweb.com (vinyl.quickweb.com [206.222.77.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29868 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 21:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vinyl.quickweb.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA20418; Thu, 22 May 1997 00:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19970522003343.10239@vinyl.quickweb.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 00:33:43 -0400 From: Mark Mayo To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: FAQ Addition (ZIP help) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69e Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone. I tried to send this proposed addition to the FAQ to Peter de Silva, but i haven't gottena response.. When I looked into it his pds@freebsd.org is forwaded to peter@taronga.com. taronga.com doesn't exist as far as I can tell, so I'm worried that maybe he didn't get my mail. Anyways, take a look and make suggestions, corrections, rejections, whatever. It's just a simple FAQ on how to use your ZIP drive with FreeBSD! TIA, -Mark -----Forwarded message from Mark Mayo ----- Received: (from mark@localhost) by vinyl.quickweb.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA01120; Sat, 17 May 1997 22:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19970517221738.55178@vinyl.quickweb.com> Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 22:17:38 -0400 From: Mark Mayo To: pds@freebsd.org Cc: mark@quickweb.com Subject: FAQ Addition (ZIP help) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69e --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi. I've gotten enough requests personally for me to create a simple set of instructions on how to use a SCSI ZIP drive under FreeBSD. It's MIME attached. Sorry it's not in SGML.. just plain ASCII. I'll learn SGML some day! -Mark -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com RingZero Comp. http://vinyl.quickweb.com/mark finger mark@quickweb.com for my PGP key and GCS code ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- University degrees are a bit like adultery: you may not want to get involved with that sort of thing, but you don't want to be thought incapable. -Sir Peter Imbert --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ZIP-FAQ.txt" ZIP FreeBSD Info: ----------------- You can use your SCSI ZIP drive under FreeBSD in two scenarios: 1) Mount the standard "FAT" formatted disk 2) Create a Unix FFS Zip disk If you want to use a standard ZIP disk (which is pre-formatted with a DOS FAT filesystem) you can mount it up using the msdos filesystem option with the mount command. You can also share this disk with other operating systems like Win95 and WinNT, but FreeBSD can only write DOS 8.3 files - no long file names! 1. Mounting a MSDOS (FAT) zip disk: mount -t msdos /dev/sd2s4 /zip Note that we are assuming that the ZIP drive is the third device on the SCSI chain (hence sd2). Check 'dmesg' to see what "sd" your ZIP drive is... You will always specify "slice 4", however. If you don't care about using the same disk under both FreeBSD and Windows, "reformatting" it with a Unix FFS filesystem is certainly a better idea. You'll get long filename support, and a 2X improvement in performance. First of all you will need to destroy the FAT partitions/filesystem already on the disk, and then create a new Unix filesystem with the 'newfs' command: 2. Creating a new FFS filesystem on a zip disk: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rsd2 count=2 disklabel -Brw sd2 auto disklabel -e sd2 (only if you want partitions other than c!!) newfs /dev/rsd2c Note again that we are assuming your ZIP is on "sd2". It may not be :-) If you just want to use the entire disk, you'll only need to execute the first 'disklabel' -> it will assume you want the whole 96MB of the ZIP. The 'newfs' option uses partition "c", meaning it will use the entire disk... To mount the newly created disk, simply: mount /dev/sd2c /zip --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH-- -----End of forwarded message----- -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com RingZero Comp. http://vinyl.quickweb.com/mark finger mark@quickweb.com for my PGP key and GCS code ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- University degrees are a bit like adultery: you may not want to get involved with that sort of thing, but you don't want to be thought incapable. -Sir Peter Imbert From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 21 22:02:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA01006 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 21 May 1997 22:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awecs.obninsk.su (ASIC-Relarn.Relarn.ru [194.226.29.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA00976 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 22:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bird (bird.obninsk.su [194.85.84.5]) by awecs.obninsk.su (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA11802 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 09:03:26 GMT Message-Id: <199705220903.JAA11802@awecs.obninsk.su> From: "Eugeny V.Ovchinnikov" To: Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 08:50:43 +0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! We are administrators of server "www.obninsk.su" in Research Center of Russian Federation Institute of Physics and Power Ingeneering. We would have a mirror of your server "FreeBSD.ORG". Please , help us. We are sorry for our English. From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 22 00:38:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA07289 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 22 May 1997 00:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA07284 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 00:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@skraldespand.demos.su [194.87.0.19] with ESMTP id LAA13656; Thu, 22 May 1997 11:35:57 +0400 Received: by skraldespand.demos.su id LAA29657; (8.8.5/D) Thu, 22 May 1997 11:36:04 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19970522113603.30395@skraldespand.demos.su> Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 11:36:03 +0400 From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" To: john@awecs.obninsk.su Cc: docs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Forwarded mail... References: <199705220551.JAA17181@sinbin.demos.su> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.65_p2,4-7,10-11,15,18,21-22 Organization: Demos Company, Ltd., Moscow, Russian Federation. X-Point-of-View: Gravity is myth, - the earth sucks. Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > ----- Forwarded message from Eugeny V.Ovchinnikov ----- > >From sinbin.demos.su!kremvax.demos.su!kiae!hub.FreeBSD.ORG!FreeBSD.ORG!owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 22 09:08:44 1997 > Message-Id: <199705220903.JAA11802@awecs.obninsk.su> > From: "Eugeny V.Ovchinnikov" >Hello! We are administrators of server "www.obninsk.su" in Research Center > of Russian Federation Institute of Physics and Power Ingeneering. We would > have a mirror of your server "FreeBSD.ORG". Please , help us. I've got this message forwarded as I am not subscribed (I guess) on freebsd-doc. Anyhow, I answer here, FYI & FYwhatever. Dear Eugeny, please check /net/cvsup-mirror port, - it fits your need 100%. Contact hostmaster@ru.freebsd.org (honestly, that's me), if you think your mirror fits in ru.freebsd.org infrastructure and is topologically close to main backbones here, - anyhow, we'll discuss it privately. For your further inquiries, use freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org for general topics, me (or official address) for ru.freebsd.org related ones. Thanks, Mikhail A. Sokolov. > > We are sorry for our English. > > ----- End of forwarded message from Eugeny V.Ovchinnikov ----- From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 22 16:01:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15463 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 22 May 1997 16:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15452 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 16:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from campa.panke.de (anonymous216.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.216]) by bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA20580; Fri, 23 May 1997 01:01:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) id AAA00880; Fri, 23 May 1997 00:52:27 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 00:52:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199705222252.AAA00880@campa.panke.de> From: Wolfram Schneider To: Annelise Anderson Cc: Wolfram Schneider , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compress handbook & FAQ In-Reply-To: References: <199705191225.OAA00853@campa.panke.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Annelise Anderson writes: >> I think we should commpress the handbook and the FAQ >> by default. Comments? > >As one who came to FreeBSD without knowing unix not so long ago, I >think the basic documents should be available (both on the hard drive >and on www.freebsd.org) in uncompressed plain text. Currently we ship the handbook in ascii *and* latin1 format. handbook.latin1 and handbook.ascii are more or less equal and this waste 1MB hard disk. I vote for killing the latin version, because latin1 seems still a problem for DOS/russian users. >Last time I looked, www.freebsd.org claims to offer the handbook and >FAQ in plain text, but it does not. ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/docs If the ^H is a problem, you can easy remove the ^H with perl perl -npe 's/.\010//g' < handbook.ascii -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.apfel.de/~wosch/ From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 22 21:32:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA29418 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 22 May 1997 21:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29412 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 21:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.Stanford.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA18756; Thu, 22 May 1997 21:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 21:32:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Wolfram Schneider cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compress handbook & FAQ In-Reply-To: <199705222252.AAA00880@campa.panke.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 23 May 1997, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > Annelise Anderson writes: > >> I think we should commpress the handbook and the FAQ > >> by default. Comments? > > > >As one who came to FreeBSD without knowing unix not so long ago, I > >think the basic documents should be available (both on the hard drive > >and on www.freebsd.org) in uncompressed plain text. > > Currently we ship the handbook in ascii *and* latin1 format. > handbook.latin1 and handbook.ascii are more or less equal and this > waste 1MB hard disk. I vote for killing the latin version, because > latin1 seems still a problem for DOS/russian users. I don't think there's an ascii version on my 2.2.1 cd, but maybe I missed it--or it's compressed. > > > >Last time I looked, www.freebsd.org claims to offer the handbook and > >FAQ in plain text, but it does not. > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/docs > > If the ^H is a problem, you can easy remove the ^H with perl > > perl -npe 's/.\010//g' < handbook.ascii Isn't it really preposterous to offer nifty little perl scripts to people who are downloading the handbook in ascii because they're thinking of (possibly) installing it? Anyway, I think handbook.ascii has already had the ^H removed, and instead there are just multiple letters and the t_e_x_t stuff. One way to get a readable version is to use the postscript version, convert it with ps2ascii, run it through col -b, use fmt on it, and then (in the event your display isn't iso-8859-1), do some global substitutions so that hyphens don't look like upside-down-exclamation points and the centered dots used to mark paragraphs don't look like box-drawing characters. Is that really what users should have to do? I don't know of an iso-8859-1 code page for dos (or Windows 3.1-- there may be one for Windows 95). The 850 codepage (the European and French Canadian default) is closer than the U.S. default (codepage 437) but not really compliant--and pretty nasty to install. So I'd agree with getting rid of the latin1 version. Annelise > > -- > Wolfram Schneider http://www.apfel.de/~wosch/ > From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 23 05:54:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA18341 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 23 May 1997 05:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA18327; Fri, 23 May 1997 05:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA17533; Fri, 23 May 1997 07:54:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 07:54:06 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: commiters@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: handbook/FAQ freeze Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The handbook and FAQ are moving out of the main source tree to a new top-level directory in the CVS repository (doc). Until the dust settles, please do not commit anything to either the FAQ or the handbook (both english and japanese). The move is being done because these documents are generally not release specific so maintaining them on multiple CVS branches has been nothing more than a needless hassle. Looking into the crystal ball, moving these things out of the "make world" process removes the requirement that the SGML processing tools be part of the source tree. More specifically, improvements HTML generation and a conversion from Linuxdoc to DocBook will be greatly expidited by a switch from the current sgmls/instant combination to jade (a DSSSL processor). New tools will be avaialble in port/package form at which point the existing SGML tools in the src tree will be removed. (Anti-bloatists rejoice!) -john From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 23 06:31:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA20281 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 23 May 1997 06:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news.dpi.udec.cl (root@news.dpi.udec.CL [152.74.16.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA20275 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 06:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([152.74.184.23]) by news.dpi.udec.cl (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA29559 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 10:39:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3385C51D.6F9F@udec.cl> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:26:06 -0700 From: Eros19 Reply-To: Eros19@udec.cl X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > FreeBSD Handbook : Installing FreeBSD : Installing FreeBSD > Previous: Before installing over a network > Next: MS-DOS user's Questions and Answers > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 2.3. Installing FreeBSD > > Once you have taken note of the appropriate preinstallation steps, you > should be able to install FreeBSD without any further trouble. > > Should this not be true, then you may wish to go back and re-read the > relevant preparation section above for the installation media type you > are trying to use, perhaps there is a helpful hint there that you > missed the first time? If you are having hardware trouble, or FreeBSD > refuses to boot at all, read the Hardware Guide provided on the boot > floppy for a list of possible solutions. > > The FreeBSD boot floppy contains all the on-line documentation you > should need to be able to navigate through an installation and if it > does not then we would like to know what you found most confusing. > Send your comments to the FreeBSD documentation project mailing list > . It is the objective of the FreeBSD > installation program (sysinstall) to be self-documenting enough that > painful ``step-by-step'' guides are no longer necessary. It may take > us a little while to reach that objective, but that is the objective! > > Meanwhile, you may also find the following ``typical installation > sequence'' to be helpful: > > 1. Boot the boot floppy. After a boot sequence which can take > anywhere from 30 seconds to 3 minutes, depending on your > hardware, you should be presented with a menu of initial choices. > If the floppy does not boot at all, or the boot hangs at some > stage, go read the Q&A section of the Hardware Guide for possible > causes. > 2. Press F1. You should see some basic usage instructions on the > menu system and general navigation. If you have not used this > menu system before then PLEASE read this thoroughly! > 3. Select the Options item and set any special preferences you may > have. > 4. Select a Novice, Custom or Express install, depending on whether > or not you would like the installation to help you through a > typical installation, give you a high degree of control over each > step of the installation or simply whizz through it (using > reasonable defaults when possible) as fast as possible. If you've > never used FreeBSD before then the Novice installation method is > most recommended. > 5. The final configuration menu choice allows you to further > configure your FreeBSD installation by giving you menu-driven > access to various system defaults. Some items, like networking, > may be especially important if you did a CDROM/Tape/Floppy > installation and have not yet configured your network interfaces > (assuming you have any). Properly configuring such interfaces > here will allow FreeBSD to come up on the network when you first > reboot from the hard disk. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > FreeBSD Handbook : Installing FreeBSD : Installing FreeBSD > Previous: Before installing over a network > Next: MS-DOS user's Questions and Answers > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > www@freebsd.org [FreeBSD Home Page] > Updated November 3, 1996 From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 23 08:55:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA25891 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 23 May 1997 08:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25881 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 08:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iac6.navix.net (iac6.navix.net [207.91.5.4]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13087 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 08:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (xyp166p7.navix.net [204.96.104.185]) by iac6.navix.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21936 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 10:14:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3385D045.5DFA30BB@navix.net> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 10:13:44 -0700 From: Philip Erion Organization: Navix X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: trouble locating file X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi I need some help on finding the FreeBSD DOWNLOADABLE file. It's just that there are soo many places to get lost in the ftp site.... could you tell me the file that I'm supposed to download to get FreeBSD. Thanx.... Philip From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 23 13:38:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA14280 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kevin.sunshine.net (pme44.sunshine.net [204.191.205.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14275 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (cagey@localhost) by kevin.sunshine.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA00260; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 13:32:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin Eliuk Reply-To: Kevin Eliuk To: Philip Erion cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: trouble locating file In-Reply-To: <3385D045.5DFA30BB@navix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 23 May 1997, Philip Erion wrote: >Hi I need some help on finding the FreeBSD DOWNLOADABLE file. It's just >that there are soo many places to get lost in the ftp site.... could >you tell me the file that I'm supposed to download to get FreeBSD. It's really quite simple once you realize that from ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ you have a choice of release directories. In those directories are RELNOTES.TXT. These will help you decide which release is right for you. If you have a specific purpose for using FreeBSD ie ftp, http, etc. pose a question to FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG if the information you require is not clear to you in the RELNOTES.TXT. > >Thanx.... Your welcome :) > >Philip > _______________________________________ |\ /| | \ kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net / | | \ Kevin G. 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X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've noticed that your FreeBSD ads are gramatically crufty. 'Turning PC's into Workstations' should lose the apostrophe. Besides, I like linux better :) Cheers, Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DOA_Web == "http://www.albertashop.com/Barrhead/DOA/index.html"; Geek_Code == "http://www.albertashop.com/Barrhead/DOA/geek.txt"; PGP_Public_Key == "http://www.albertashop.com/Barrhead/DOA/cmarston.pgp"; /* Walking forward is the act of perpetually falling and catching yourself at the last moment*/ From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 24 23:50:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA11378 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 24 May 1997 23:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.ls.barrhead.ab.ca (root@main.ls.barrhead.ab.ca [206.75.114.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA11370 for ; Sat, 24 May 1997 23:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jane (deusx@dialin29.ls.barrhead.ab.ca [206.75.114.39]) by main.ls.barrhead.ab.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA16501 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 00:50:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3387E0B2.1CA147DA@ls.barrhead.ab.ca> Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 00:47:58 -0600 From: Chris Marston X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3C (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: freebsd advertising on Yahoo! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've noticed that your FreeBSD ads are gramatically crufty. 'Turning PC's into Workstations' should lose the apostrophe. Besides, I like linux better :) Cheers, Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DOA_Web == "http://www.albertashop.com/Barrhead/DOA/index.html"; Geek_Code == "http://www.albertashop.com/Barrhead/DOA/geek.txt"; PGP_Public_Key == "http://www.albertashop.com/Barrhead/DOA/cmarston.pgp"; /* Walking forward is the act of perpetually falling and catching yourself at the last moment*/