From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 12 14:51:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA29119 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:51:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.infinetconsulting.com (earth.infinetconsulting.com [207.23.43.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA29100; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lenc@localhost) by earth.infinetconsulting.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA16087; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:05:16 -0800 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:05:15 -0800 (PST) From: Leonard Chua To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: reliable modems? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone out there have or know of a list of reliable modems? By reliable, I mean modems which have the least compatibility problems, especially when negotiating with other vendors' modems. My understanding (which is probably wrong, so feel free to correct me, thanks) is that even tough a vendor claims to support standard (e.g V42bis), it may not always work with another vendor's 'same' standard (i.e. V42bis again). Probably one (or both) of them is only supporting a subset of the standard. On a side note, M$N claims to have modems that are _guaranteed_ to work with any modem in the market. Applause or Flame'em? Len. From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 12 15:39:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA01569 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:39:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from silver.sms.fi (root@silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA01557; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:39:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from PeteOmni (root@silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA17188; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 01:38:41 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 01:38:41 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199701122338.BAA17188@silver.sms.fi> X-Sender: pete@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Leonard Chua , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Petri Helenius Subject: Re: reliable modems? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 15:05 12.1.1997 -0800, Leonard Chua wrote: >Does anyone out there have or know of a list of reliable modems? >By reliable, I mean modems which have the least compatibility problems, >especially when negotiating with other vendors' modems. My understanding >(which is probably wrong, so feel free to correct me, thanks) is that >even tough a vendor claims to support standard (e.g V42bis), it may not >always work with another vendor's 'same' standard (i.e. V42bis again). >Probably one (or both) of them is only supporting a subset of the standard. > My experience for almost a decade tells me that US Robotics still manufactures one of the best modems in the world. Don't fall on the cheap Sportster series though if reliability and compability are one of your highest selection criteria, get the Courier stuff instead. (they are upgradeable also by flashrom upgrade) Pete From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 12 16:15:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA03523 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 16:15:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA03507; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 16:15:12 -0800 (PST) From: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com (ccgate.infoworld.com [192.216.49.101]) by lserver.infoworld.com (8.8.4/8.8.4/GNAC-GW-2.1) with SMTP id QAA10402; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 16:18:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA853114238; Sun, 12 Jan 97 17:08:00 PST Date: Sun, 12 Jan 97 17:08:00 PST Message-Id: <9700128531.AA853114238@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: Leonard Chua , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: reliable modems? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I use Multi-Tech. Not well-known in the consumer market but truly excellent. They use Lucent chipsets plus very well-designed firmware. You'll probably want the MultiModem ZDXb. --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 12 17:30:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA09234 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 17:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from gamma.pair.com (gamma.pair.com [207.86.128.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA09229; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 17:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [207.104.16.18] (ppp-207-104-16-18.snrf01.pacbell.net [207.104.16.18]) by gamma.pair.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA17891; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 20:30:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701130130.UAA17891@gamma.pair.com> X-Envelope-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? Date: Sun, 12 Jan 97 17:29:28 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Eric Harley To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Does anyone out there have or know of a list of reliable modems? >By reliable, I mean modems which have the least compatibility problems, >especially when negotiating with other vendors' modems. My understanding >(which is probably wrong, so feel free to correct me, thanks) is that >even tough a vendor claims to support standard (e.g V42bis), it may not >always work with another vendor's 'same' standard (i.e. V42bis again). >Probably one (or both) of them is only supporting a subset of the standard. > The Zylex modems have always worked fine for me and are the easiest to update the ROM if necassary. Plus, they are supported by Innosoft's PMDF mail2fax gateway. Eric Eric Harley, VP Information Systems & CIO Powerware International http://www.powerwareintl.com/ Email: eric.harley@powerwareintl.com Web: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/ PGP: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/pgp.txt From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 12 21:43:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA20537 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 21:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA20518; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 21:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA23847; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 22:43:29 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 22:43:29 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199701130543.WAA23847@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Leonard Chua Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone out there have or know of a list of reliable modems? USR Courier V.Everything are held in high-regard by most folks I've talked with, though they are a bit spendy... Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 12 21:53:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA20948 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 21:53:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from main.netcorps.com (main.netcorps.com [205.149.1.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA20943 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 21:53:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by main.netcorps.com (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA13905 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 21:50:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701130550.VAA13905@main.netcorps.com> X-Authentication-Warning: main.netcorps.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Redundancy? Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 21:50:59 -0800 From: Chris Bura Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What do you think is the best disk redundancy method for FreeBSD. Does it support some kind of disk mirroring? Tape the only option? Thanks, Chris From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 12 22:05:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA21348 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 22:05:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from cpd.landau.ac.ru (cpd.landau.ac.ru [193.233.9.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA21340 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 22:05:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from itp.ac.ru (itp.ac.ru [193.233.32.4]) by cpd.landau.ac.ru (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA06636 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 08:56:35 +0300 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Received: (from ks@localhost) by itp.ac.ru (8.8.3/8.8.3) id JAA04604 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:04:43 +0300 (MSK) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:04:43 +0300 (MSK) From: "Sergey S. Kosyakov" Message-Id: <199701130604.JAA04604@itp.ac.ru> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: MS Joliet Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, does FreeBSD support MS Joliet FS on CDROMs? Or may be anybody knows what is the way for reading Joliet CDROMs? Regards, Sergey. From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 12 23:27:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA24667 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 23:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA24662 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 23:27:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.64.181]) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA26457; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 23:26:47 -0800 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.4/8.6.9) id XAA11447; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 23:26:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 23:26:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701130726.XAA11447@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: chris@main.Netcorps.com CC: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199701130550.VAA13905@main.netcorps.com> (message from Chris Bura on Sun, 12 Jan 1997 21:50:59 -0800) Subject: Re: Redundancy? From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * What do you think is the best disk redundancy method for FreeBSD. * Does it support some kind of disk mirroring? * * Tape the only option? No, you can use ccd(4) or a hardware RAID box. ccd only supports mirroring (i.e., no parity yet) though. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 13 00:48:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA29514 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 00:48:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from passport.cadrus.fr (passport.cadrus.fr [194.51.236.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA29508 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 00:47:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.cadrus.fr by passport.cadrus.fr; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:47:21 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pyb@localhost) by localhost (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA04402; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:28:52 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:28:52 +0100 Message-Id: <199701130828.JAA04402@localhost> From: Pierre-Yves Bonnetain To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Laptop for FreeBSD Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all of you, Okay, I know this subject crops up all too regularly for you people, but I didn't find any proper URL or FAQ addressing the subject. So you're in for another one... I am planning to buy a laptop, to run FreeBSD on it (with dual boot for, horrors, W95). Currently, I have reduced my choice to two brands, namely one Gateway S5-P120 or Sager Narval-86P (I just hope the names are the same all over ther world - those are the names of products sold in France). Has any of you some idea/advice/warning about the usability of either machine for FreeBSD ? TIA, -- -+-+ Pierre-Yves BONNETAIN (aka Pyb) Consultant Internet/Securite B & A Consultants - PROXIMA - Rue des Pyrénées 31330 Grenade-Sur-Garonne - FRANCE Tel : 0 562.793.261 - Fax : 0 561.824.221 From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 13 06:49:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA15191 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 06:49:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (root@buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id GAA15172; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 06:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net (mmdf@buffnet1.buffnet.net [205.246.19.10]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA01144; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:49:08 -0500 Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net by buffnet1.buffnet.net id aa11550; 13 Jan 97 9:50 EST Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:50:36 -0500 (EST) From: Steve To: Leonard Chua cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, Leonard Chua wrote: > Does anyone out there have or know of a list of reliable modems? > By reliable, I mean modems which have the least compatibility problems, > especially when negotiating with other vendors' modems. My understanding > (which is probably wrong, so feel free to correct me, thanks) is that > even tough a vendor claims to support standard (e.g V42bis), it may not > always work with another vendor's 'same' standard (i.e. V42bis again). > Probably one (or both) of them is only supporting a subset of the standard. > > On a side note, M$N claims to have modems that are _guaranteed_ to work > with any modem in the market. Applause or Flame'em? > Zooms negotiate fine and are cheap - but lock up. USR Couriers answer reliably and connect realiably - but the modem pools are junk (they flake out - Ive had every one I bought replaces the 1st 6 mths - and the 33.6 flash cause lower rate connections than when it was 28.8) hayes Century wont let you set &d3 or they cause your term servers to cycle - but they are fairly reliable hayes century 2 are ok and pretty reliable. (just my experience and opinion - flames will be files to /dev/null) From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 13 07:14:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA16361 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:14:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from tarpon.exis.net (stefan@tarpon.exis.net [205.252.72.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA16344; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:14:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stefan@localhost) by tarpon.exis.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA05904; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 10:38:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 10:38:03 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Molnar To: Leonard Chua cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone out there have or know of a list of reliable modems? > By reliable, I mean modems which have the least compatibility problems, > especially when negotiating with other vendors' modems. My understanding > (which is probably wrong, so feel free to correct me, thanks) is that > even tough a vendor claims to support standard (e.g V42bis), it may not > always work with another vendor's 'same' standard (i.e. V42bis again). > Probably one (or both) of them is only supporting a subset of the standard. > > On a side note, M$N claims to have modems that are _guaranteed_ to work > with any modem in the market. Applause or Flame'em? The ones we use are the USR Curiors (sp). Those are the best, true they cost about 250-300 each, but they do it all. I would stay away from the asends and some of the rack units. But if you think of cost of 30 modems per a PM2e and the cost of the wireing and a PM2e it is better to get a PM3. But for a good analog bank, USR curiors are the way to go. Stefan -------------------------------------------- Stefan Molnar Team Exis.Net stefan@exis.net Member EFF Slightly Silly Team OS/2 east-coast-ambassador@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU "She turned me into a Newt! A Newt? I got better." -Monty Python -------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 13 07:21:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA16713 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from whale.gu.kiev.ua (whale.gu.net [194.93.190.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA16708; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from trifork.gu.net (trifork.gu.net [194.93.190.194]) by whale.gu.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA52904; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:21:04 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 20:25:25 +0200 (EET) From: Andrew Stesin To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: <199701130130.UAA17891@gamma.pair.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Does anyone out there have or know of a list of reliable modems? I vote for recent Motorola's V.34 modems (Premier i.e., even Motorola Pro, remember this white plastic box? ;). USR Couriers are also really good. > >By reliable, I mean modems which have the least compatibility problems, > >especially when negotiating with other vendors' modems. My understanding > >(which is probably wrong, so feel free to correct me, thanks) is that > >even tough a vendor claims to support standard (e.g V42bis), it may not > >always work with another vendor's 'same' standard (i.e. V42bis again). No you are probably wrong here, I didn't observe any problems with V.42/V.42bis in last 3 years. Though compatibility problems with different _V.34_ implementations -- oh yeah. There were some... and pretty non-obvious ones. Namely with Rockwell chipsets and "all others", and with USR Sportsters 33.6 and "all others", some time ago. Best regards, Andrew Stesin nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 13 07:29:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA17129 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:29:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccsales.ccsales.com (ccsales.com [206.5.38.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id HAA17124 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:29:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from rkntws40casa ([206.5.38.41]) by ccsales.ccsales.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA10068 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:34:55 -0800 Message-ID: <32DA53CF.4909@ccsales.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:25:03 -0800 From: Randy Katz Reply-To: randyk@ccsales.com Organization: CCSales, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RAID Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Are there any RAID drivers for currently sold hardware that do at least RAID 5 out ther? I'm talking about DPT, AMerican MeGatrends, CMD, Mylex (not necessarily in that order). Thanx, Randy Katz From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 13 08:23:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA19641 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 08:23:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA19631; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 08:23:18 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Lehey Message-Id: <199701131623.IAA19631@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Recommend 8mm exabyte drives? To: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 08:23:17 -0800 (PST) Cc: hardware In-Reply-To: <9700118530.AA853030305@ccgate.infoworld.com> from "BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com" at Jan 11, 97 05:12:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com writes: > > > As a bitten child (I'm currently returning my repaired 8500 because it > > still didn't work right), I'm not convinced. > > Perhaps the person who repaired your drive did not do it properly. I think that's a foregone conclusion. > > Note also that I've been told by product experts that you should only use > > original Exabyte or Sony (same thing, different label) cleaning tapes. > > As long as the cleaning cartridge has a ratchet to keep tape from being > re-used, it'll work fine, regardless of brand. Of course, the "product > experts" are a bit biased in favor of the ones they sell. This would be a reasonable first assumption. In this case, though, the claim is backed up by a better explanation: the other cleaning cartidges allegedly leave a film of something behind on hte head. > > At least Tandem supports only DDS drives. I'd guess that HP does the > > same :-) > > I used HP systems with Exabyte drives long before DDS. I stand corrected. Do they still supply them? > > But why do you need a driver? On the systems I use, I can > > replace a DDS drive with a QIC-525 or an Exabyte, and I don't need to > > tell the software anything. > > If you stick to the most generic SCSI tape commands, nearly anything will > work. But if you want control of compression, etc., you want a driver that > understands what can be done with the medium and the drive. This is true of > DDS, too, if you want to use some of the niftier random-access features. OK. Under FreeBSD, I believe you can do these things with the mt command. > > You might check the Exabyte web pages, though--you can pick up firmware > > upgrades that might solve this problem. > > Will have to check on this. The older Exabytes used somewhat "dumb" SCSI > chipsets, though (even now, there aren't many good ones available for > targets). So it may not be possible to keep the drive from ignoring SCSI > commands while it's working. I picked up an upgrade for my 8500. Haven't done anything with it yet. Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 13 09:31:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA23854 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from Zero-Cool.Hades.Org (nobody@dialup-1-3.net.ic.ac.uk [155.198.8.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA23848; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:31:25 -0800 (PST) From: pumpkin@uk.pi.net Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by Zero-Cool.Hades.Org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA00519; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:29:28 GMT Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:29:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Sender: scot@Zero-Cool.Hades.Org To: Leonard Chua cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, Leonard Chua wrote: > Does anyone out there have or know of a list of reliable modems? > By reliable, I mean modems which have the least compatibility problems, > especially when negotiating with other vendors' modems. My understanding > (which is probably wrong, so feel free to correct me, thanks) is that > even tough a vendor claims to support standard (e.g V42bis), it may not > always work with another vendor's 'same' standard (i.e. V42bis again). > Probably one (or both) of them is only supporting a subset of the standard. > > On a side note, M$N claims to have modems that are _guaranteed_ to work > with any modem in the market. Applause or Flame'em? > > Len. > > How about the US Robotic Courier (deff. not the Sportsters) modems.. they support just about every protocol under the sun and are nicely upgradable. They're nice in a rack-mount config too - 4 modems to a card with the Total Control hubs - although the Windows management software sucks eggs (I use Telnet to manage them rather than that piece of rubbish). Yours - Scot. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Scot Elliott | Please note that any opinions | | MEng Computing IV. | expressed are mine, and not those | | Imperial College, London | of the department or college. | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | e-mail: s.elliott@ic.ac.uk | IRC nick: PlumbrBoy | | pumpkin@uk.pi.net | "You are everything in my fridge" | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 13 11:53:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA01597 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 11:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA01591; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 11:53:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id JAA01010; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:53:23 -1000 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:53:23 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199701131953.JAA01010@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: pumpkin@uk.pi.net "Re: reliable modems?" (Jan 13, 5:29pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } How about the US Robotic Courier (deff. not the Sportsters) } modems.. they support just about every protocol under the sun and are } nicely upgradable. They're nice in a rack-mount config too - 4 modems to } a card with the Total Control hubs - although the Windows management } software sucks eggs (I use Telnet to manage them rather than that piece } of rubbish). I'd recommend against rack-mount modems. I've used them in the past and always wished I hadn't once they get older. Once they get outdated single modems can be spread around and used in other places -- rack-mounts become large expensive boat-anchors. :-( Rows of single modems may not look as cool, but they usually make more sense. Richard From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 13 12:14:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA02642 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA02635; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:14:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA19078; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:28:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:28:24 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Richard Foulk cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: <199701131953.JAA01010@pegasus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk --> you said: > I'd recommend against rack-mount modems. I've used them in the past > and always wished I hadn't once they get older. Once they get outdated > single modems can be spread around and used in other places -- rack-mounts > become large expensive boat-anchors. :-( > > Rows of single modems may not look as cool, but they usually make more > sense. I can't agree with this... Just figuring out a way to *power* 200 modems in a standalone config is a nightmare. I've blown circuit breakers while plugging in new ones. The cube power supplies are very unreliable, and very innefficient. Nowt to mention that you have no way of having a modem busy itself out if it stops working. UUNet, PSI, etal. are all going for the Ascend Max, which when purchased used, is a pretty good deal. Not to mention they perform well. My sportster (which has never given me any problems) is dialed into one now, happily talking with a Rockwell chipset. Why do I say all this? I'm in charge of 200 stand alone modems. Nightmare, nightmare, nightmare. I won't even start on the Xylogics RA4000.... Charles > Richard > From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 13 12:21:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA03128 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:21:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from tarpon.exis.net (stefan@tarpon.exis.net [205.252.72.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA03111; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:21:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stefan@localhost) by tarpon.exis.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA07460; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:45:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:45:08 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Molnar To: Steve cc: Leonard Chua , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Zooms negotiate fine and are cheap - but lock up. > > USR Couriers answer reliably and connect realiably - but the modem pools > are junk (they flake out - Ive had every one I bought replaces the 1st 6 > mths - and the 33.6 flash cause lower rate connections than when it was > 28.8) > > hayes Century wont let you set &d3 or they cause your term servers to > cycle - but they are fairly reliable > > hayes century 2 are ok and pretty reliable. I do agree about the actuall total controls. But just getting single externals work just fine. Stefan -------------------------------------------- Stefan Molnar Team Exis.Net stefan@exis.net Member EFF Slightly Silly Team OS/2 east-coast-ambassador@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU "She turned me into a Newt! A Newt? I got better." -Monty Python -------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 13 13:15:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA05726 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:15:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from black.gensys.com (black.gensys.com [204.52.135.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA05706; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:15:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jhupp@localhost) by black.gensys.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA17497; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:15:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:15:19 -0600 From: jhupp@gensys.com (Jeff) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? References: <199701131953.JAA01010@pegasus.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.55 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: ; from spork on Jan 13, 1997 15:28:24 -0500 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk spork writes: : --> you said: : > : > Rows of single modems may not look as cool, but they usually make more : > sense. : : I can't agree with this... Just figuring out a way to *power* 200 : modems in a standalone config is a nightmare. : : Why do I say all this? I'm in charge of 200 stand alone modems. : Nightmare, nightmare, nightmare. I won't even start on the Xylogics : RA4000.... : There is a solution available from texas.net for the USR Courier. A single, rack mount, power supply that will support 32 modems. Racks for the modems themselves (after being removed from the case) are also available. This is a very nice way to package them. If you want to move the modems around (after moving to a MAX or two, all you have to do is put them back in the cases.) I have this solution in use with 270 modems and don't have the problems you describe with modems hanging up. Granted, I am using Livingston portmasters, not the Xylogics RA4000.... -- Jeff Hupp | Coffee is Life. PGP public key available at http://www.gensys.com/jeffskey.asc Running Microsoft? What do you want to fix today? From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 13 14:36:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA11197 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 14:36:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.nacamar.de (news.nacamar.de [194.112.16.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA10945 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 14:35:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.52.251.6] (apfel.nacamar.de [195.52.251.6]) by news.nacamar.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00340 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:34:59 +0100 (MET) X-Sender: petzi@mail.nacamar.de Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:31:49 +0100 To: hardware@freebsd.org From: Michael Beckmann Subject: Re: netstat: input errors Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I see a lot of input errors on my Ethernet interface. What might be the >cause ? > >network: >Name Mtu Network Address Ipkts Ierrs Opkts Oerrs Coll >de0 1500 00.00.c0.27.b5.de 275357767 7383752 344525279 82 >56538965 > >When I do a netstat -w 1, then it shows no errors for a long time, but >then, for minutes, it shows these errors, like here: > > input (Total) output > packets errs bytes packets errs bytes colls > 232 150 35183 197 0 92208 29 > 154 91 25486 123 0 45647 1 > 156 52 56985 143 0 107687 7 > 161 54 47991 190 0 112703 9 > 193 116 35476 140 0 89399 21 > 196 31 27814 217 0 208017 9 > 236 112 42812 224 0 184953 27 > 269 89 33995 282 0 274602 26 > 182 108 25034 117 0 76181 8 > 110 52 17721 103 0 51149 3 > 172 52 38460 182 0 105599 14 > 315 51 87856 378 0 226361 46 > 232 133 33300 215 0 99761 25 > 242 70 70229 302 0 142273 30 > 218 159 25696 126 0 67936 11 > 151 55 33533 143 0 93400 4 I wanted to followup on this. After excluding some possible reasons, like bad cables, other machines on the net, a beserk hub, I suddenly remembered I had booted a new kernel some time before I noticed the problems. And the cause for my problems was this option in my kernel config: options "NMBCLUSTERS=1024" All I did to fix the problem was remove this option, and build a new kernel. No more input errors ! What seemed to be a hardware problem turned out to be 100 % software. Just so noone else stumbles into this :-) Cheers, Michael From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 13 19:15:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA29100 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 19:15:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA29095; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 19:15:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA20489; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 22:03:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701140303.WAA20489@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0alpha 12/3/96 To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: reliable modems? References: <199701131953.JAA01010@pegasus.com> In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:53:23 -1000." <199701131953.JAA01010@pegasus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 22:03:25 -0500 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'd recommend against rack-mount modems. I've used them in the past > and always wished I hadn't once they get older. Once they get outdated > single modems can be spread around and used in other places -- rack-mounts > become large expensive boat-anchors. :-( Certainly not if you take into account the cost of operating whatever it is you built. What you pay for the modems is a one-time event (or depreciated over 5 years depending on your pursuasion), but the on-going operational costs are forever. > Rows of single modems may not look as cool, but they usually make more > sense. In my personal experience, this has never been the case if you're running more than a handfull. And I've been involved in running tens of modems up to (now) in excess of 50,000 - the prospect of all those individual power bricks, RS232 cables, and analog POTS lines is too frightening to contemplate. On the original question, I've had pretty good succeess with standalone ZyXEL modems. It's been a few years since I've really used it at home (actually, before V.34 modems), but their customer service was pretty good. USR modems (especially the sportsters) are cheap. And you get what you pay for, I'm sure. You'd be surprised to find how much grief the Rockwell folks have been through to accomodate the USR sportster flavor of "V.34" louie From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 13 21:11:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA06086 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA06039; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:11:09 -0800 (PST) From: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com (ccgate.infoworld.com [192.216.49.101]) by lserver.infoworld.com (8.8.4/8.8.4/GNAC-GW-2.1) with SMTP id VAA21077; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA853218347; Mon, 13 Jan 97 22:05:33 PST Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 22:05:33 PST Message-Id: <9700138532.AA853218347@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: spork , richard@pegasus.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I can't agree with this... Just figuring out a way to *power* 200 > modems in a standalone config is a nightmare. No, it's not. Multi-Tech has a rack with redundant power supplies. Supra has one too (though without the redundancy). --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 13 23:54:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA27774 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:54:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.infinetconsulting.com (earth.infinetconsulting.com [207.23.43.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA27742; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:53:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lenc@localhost) by earth.infinetconsulting.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA11340; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 00:08:07 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 00:08:07 -0800 (PST) From: Leonard Chua To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? - How about if I do this...? In-Reply-To: <199701130543.WAA23847@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to the many kind folks for their replies. I had about 5 replies in favor of USR Couriers, and a couple for MultiTech, and several others as well. We have decided to spend a bunch of $$$ to do some tests to help us decide. So what I'll do for now is to buy a handfull of various vendors' modems and test them against each other (various permutations and combinations). To speed things along, I'll probably post a bunch of questions in the like of "This XXX modem won't talk to FreeBSD, .....??" Oh, and if anyone would like to suggest what tests I should include, I would certainly appreciate it. Any pitfalls, hazards and common mistakes to watch out for too, thanks. When I'm done, I'll put up the results for everyone to take pot shots at :) (Heck, if all are in reasonable agreement, it might even make it to the FAQ). If anyone has any other modems/vendors to reccommend, I'll try my best to get it too (subject to it being available locally or at least via a North American distribution warehouse/site). Again, many thanks! Regards. Len. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 14 01:21:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA02697 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 01:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id BAA02688; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 01:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id XAA04642; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:20:49 -1001 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:20:49 -1001 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199701140921.XAA04642@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Leonard Chua "Re: reliable modems? - How about if I do this...?" (Jan 14, 12:08am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Leonard Chua , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: reliable modems? - How about if I do this...? Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } Thanks to the many kind folks for their replies. } I had about 5 replies in favor of USR Couriers, } and a couple for MultiTech, and several others as well. } } We have decided to spend a bunch of $$$ to do some tests to help us } decide. So what I'll do for now is to buy a handfull of various vendors' } modems and test them against each other (various permutations and } combinations). To speed things along, I'll probably post a bunch of } questions in the like of "This XXX modem won't talk to FreeBSD, .....??" } Oh, and if anyone would like to suggest what tests I should include, I would } certainly appreciate it. Any pitfalls, hazards and common mistakes to } watch out for too, thanks. } This sounds great! It would probably be helpful to find a few of the recent comparisons in the press to get you started. I think Byte did a (somewhat flawed) comparison, and I think there have been others. Richard From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 14 07:55:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA19197 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 07:55:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.it.hq.nasa.gov (apollo.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.87]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA19187 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 07:55:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (WireHead.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.88]) by apollo.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA20755 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:54:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (cshenton@localhost) by wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA18844 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:55:35 GMT Message-Id: <199701141555.PAA18844@wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov: cshenton owned process doing -bs To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Motherboard & ChipSet pointers? X-Mailer: Mew version 1.03 on Emacs 19.31.8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:55:34 -0500 From: Chris Shenton Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm looking to build out another FreeBSD box, with an emphasis on bang per buck. So I'm planning on going Cyrix-P166+, rather than Intel... The Cyrix-P200+ seems like more bang for a *lot* more bucks at this time. If I'm outta line on this, feel free to clue me in. In the past, folks here have spoken highly of Asus and Tyan motherboards; I've been surfing their webs trying to determine which product from each has what features. Any recommendations on either? Dual CPU support might be of interest if the incremental cost is small, but I understand Cyrix doesn't yet operate in a dual mode. Any other motherboard brands I should consider? Reliability and performance are key. I'm ignorant of which chipset does what, and what is desirable for FreeBSD. E.g., What's the Intel HX and VX do, and which should I prefer? What's flavor of the month? If you've got resource pointers so I can come up to speed on this, I'd appreciate it. There's a Ham-fest this weekend and I'd like to go into it more knowledgeable than I am now :-) Thanks. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 14 08:41:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA21242 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (root@po1.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA21237 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from downlink.eng.umd.edu (downlink.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.182]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20312; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:41:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by downlink.eng.umd.edu (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15887; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:41:38 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: downlink.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:41:37 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@downlink.eng.umd.edu To: Chris Shenton cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Motherboard & ChipSet pointers? In-Reply-To: <199701141555.PAA18844@wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Chris Shenton wrote: > I'm looking to build out another FreeBSD box, with an emphasis on bang > per buck. So I'm planning on going Cyrix-P166+, rather than Intel... > The Cyrix-P200+ seems like more bang for a *lot* more bucks at this time. > If I'm outta line on this, feel free to clue me in. > > In the past, folks here have spoken highly of Asus and Tyan > motherboards; I've been surfing their webs trying to determine which > product from each has what features. Any recommendations on either? > Dual CPU support might be of interest if the incremental cost is > small, but I understand Cyrix doesn't yet operate in a dual mode. Any > other motherboard brands I should consider? Reliability and > performance are key. If you're thinking about dual CPUs, I think that any of the Cyrix processors will be permanently out of the running. See, they decided to go a different route with the interrupt handling, which is central to running multiple CPUs. The hardware to make the Cyrix CPUs multiprocess isn't there. > > I'm ignorant of which chipset does what, and what is desirable for > FreeBSD. E.g., What's the Intel HX and VX do, and which should I > prefer? What's flavor of the month? > > If you've got resource pointers so I can come up to speed on this, I'd > appreciate it. There's a Ham-fest this weekend and I'd like to go into > it more knowledgeable than I am now :-) > > Thanks. > > > > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 14 09:11:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA23339 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:11:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw1.asacomputers.com (root@gw1.asacomputers.com [204.69.220.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA23334 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:11:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by gw1.asacomputers.com id GAA27507; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 06:12:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970114173138.00a54d34@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:31:38 -0800 To: Chris Shenton From: Kedar Subject: Re: Motherboard & ChipSet pointers? Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I'm ignorant of which chipset does what, and what is desirable for >FreeBSD. E.g., What's the Intel HX and VX do, and which should I >prefer? What's flavor of the month? Hello, Happened to have this on hand at the moment. Hope it helps. [Hope it is the updated version! :) ] Kedar. ****************************************************************************** > Features of the various chipsets: > Intel 430FX - First generation PCI w/100MB/sec throughput. > Supports Bus Master IDE > Support for EDO memory > > Intel 430HX - Primarily designed for Business PCs > Improved Memory timings > Concurrent PCI for better multimedia, PCI 2.1 > USB > ECC - Parity for application critical environments > > Intel 430VX - Primarily designed for Home and Small Business PCs > Flexible memory with FPM, EDO, SDRAM > Concurrent PCI for better multimedia, PCI 2.1 > USB > Improved Memory timings > SMBA Option - Intel's Shared Memory Buffer Architecture(SMBA) > Used in ultra-cost sensitive PCs. SMBA permits > sharing part of system memory with the > graphics controller. Generally NOT a good idea. > (This option is for manufacturers BUILDING the > motherboard) From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 14 09:45:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA25661 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:45:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA25646 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA27168; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:43:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199701141743.KAA27168@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: Chuck Robey cc: Chris Shenton , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Motherboard & ChipSet pointers? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:41:37 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:43:47 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, >If you're thinking about dual CPUs, I think that any of the Cyrix >processors will be permanently out of the running. See, they decided to >go a different route with the interrupt handling, which is central to >running multiple CPUs. The hardware to make the Cyrix CPUs multiprocess >isn't there. I think *INTEL* decided for them by patenting the hell out of the APIC technology. I have strong misgivings about supporting this sort of proprietary nonsense, but in this case I'm afraid Intel wins.... -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 14 09:50:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA26071 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:50:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (root@po1.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA26065 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:50:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from downlink.eng.umd.edu (downlink.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.182]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22318; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by downlink.eng.umd.edu (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA16141; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:50:19 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: downlink.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:50:17 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@downlink.eng.umd.edu To: Steve Passe cc: Chris Shenton , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Motherboard & ChipSet pointers? In-Reply-To: <199701141743.KAA27168@clem.systemsix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Steve Passe wrote: > Hi, > > >If you're thinking about dual CPUs, I think that any of the Cyrix > >processors will be permanently out of the running. See, they decided to > >go a different route with the interrupt handling, which is central to > >running multiple CPUs. The hardware to make the Cyrix CPUs multiprocess > >isn't there. > > I think *INTEL* decided for them by patenting the hell out of the > APIC technology. I have strong misgivings about supporting this sort > of proprietary nonsense, but in this case I'm afraid Intel wins.... I agree, but since the OpenAPIC stuff is entirely incompatible with Intel's technology, what can you do? I HATE knuckling under to monopolists, I think most FreeBSDers do too, but I don't see the alternative, either. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 14 11:24:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA01366 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:24:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA01360 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:24:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id OAA11231; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 14:15:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199701141915.OAA11231@persprog.com> Received: from dasa(192.2.2.199) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma011229; Tue Jan 14 14:15:22 1997 Received: from DASA/SpoolDir by dasa.ppi.com (Mercury 1.21); 14 Jan 97 14:15:44 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by DASA (Mercury 1.30); 14 Jan 97 14:15:17 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc To: Chuck Robey , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, cshenton@it.hq.nasa.gov Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 14:15:11 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Motherboard & ChipSet pointers? Priority: normal References: <199701141555.PAA18844@wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.50) Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 14 Jan 97 at 11:41, Chuck Robey proclaimed: > If you're thinking about dual CPUs, I think that any of the Cyrix > processors will be permanently out of the running. See, they decided to > go a different route with the interrupt handling, which is central to > running multiple CPUs. The hardware to make the Cyrix CPUs multiprocess > isn't there. If I remember correctly (and I often don't), there might have been an Intel hardware patent gumming up the works. If you want to have multiprocessor support, you will also need to get a different (read: more expensive) motherboard. I'm pretty sure only the HX chipset supports this but not all HX boards have two sockets. Bottom line: unless you are planning for multiprocessor support I would not worry about it. If you do plan to use multiple processors then you will need a different motherboard and CPU. While we are on the subject, which multiple processor board is recommended these days? I personally do not need EISA support and would prefer not to pay for it. Does Asus have a multiprocessor without the EISA? ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose fantasy. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 14 14:10:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA11442 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 14:10:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA11402 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 14:09:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA28417; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:07:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199701142207.PAA28417@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: "David Alderman" cc: Chuck Robey , hardware@freebsd.org, cshenton@it.hq.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Motherboard & ChipSet pointers? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 Jan 1997 14:15:11 +0500." <199701141915.OAA11231@persprog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:07:59 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, >While we are on the subject, which multiple processor board is >recommended these days? I personally do not need EISA support and >would prefer not to pay for it. Does Asus have a multiprocessor >without the EISA? EISA should be avoided for SMP/technical reasons (which I have gone into in detail in the past). I highly recommend the Gigabyte GA586DX if you want a P5 system. P6 is an unknown to me. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 14 15:03:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA14123 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:03:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA14113 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:03:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id RAA02714; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:51:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199701142251.RAA02714@persprog.com> Received: from dasa(192.2.2.199) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma002712; Tue Jan 14 17:51:15 1997 Received: from DASA/SpoolDir by dasa.ppi.com (Mercury 1.21); 14 Jan 97 17:51:36 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by DASA (Mercury 1.30); 14 Jan 97 17:51:17 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc To: Steve Passe , hardware@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:51:11 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Motherboard & ChipSet pointers? Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199701142207.PAA28417@clem.systemsix.com> References: Your message of "Tue, 14 Jan 1997 14:15:11 +0500." <199701141915.OAA11231@persprog.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.50) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 14 Jan 97 at 15:07, Steve Passe proclaimed: > > EISA should be avoided for SMP/technical reasons (which I have gone into > in detail in the past). I highly recommend the Gigabyte GA586DX if > you want a P5 system. P6 is an unknown to me. Unfortunately that would have been my next question, namely: Wouldn't P6's be better for multiprocessing than Pentiums? Also, which would be more cost-effective, a dual Pentium 166 (since 200's are NOT cost effective) or a single Pentium Pro 200? I think I'll go check some prices... ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose fantasy. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 14 15:35:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA15580 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (root@po1.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA15575 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from uplink.eng.umd.edu (uplink.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.181]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01945; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 18:35:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by uplink.eng.umd.edu (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA16296; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 18:35:10 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: uplink.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 18:35:01 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@uplink.eng.umd.edu To: David Alderman cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, cshenton@it.hq.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Motherboard & ChipSet pointers? In-Reply-To: <199701141915.OAA11231@persprog.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, David Alderman wrote: > On 14 Jan 97 at 11:41, Chuck Robey proclaimed: > > > > If you're thinking about dual CPUs, I think that any of the Cyrix > > processors will be permanently out of the running. See, they decided to > > go a different route with the interrupt handling, which is central to > > running multiple CPUs. The hardware to make the Cyrix CPUs multiprocess > > isn't there. > > If I remember correctly (and I often don't), there might have been an > Intel hardware patent gumming up the works. > > If you want to have multiprocessor support, you will also need to get > a different (read: more expensive) motherboard. I'm pretty sure only > the HX chipset supports this but not all HX boards have two sockets. > Bottom line: unless you are planning for multiprocessor support I > would not worry about it. If you do plan to use multiple processors > then you will need a different motherboard and CPU. 430HX and 440FX (you forgot about Pentium-Pro boards). > > While we are on the subject, which multiple processor board is > recommended these days? I personally do not need EISA support and > would prefer not to pay for it. Does Asus have a multiprocessor > without the EISA? > ====================================== > When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose fantasy. > Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com > ====================================== > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 14 16:10:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA18086 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from po2.glue.umd.edu (root@po2.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA18080 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:10:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from uplink.eng.umd.edu (uplink.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.181]) by po2.glue.umd.edu (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02787; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by uplink.eng.umd.edu (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA16243; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:10:23 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: uplink.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:10:23 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@uplink.eng.umd.edu To: David Alderman cc: Steve Passe , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Motherboard & ChipSet pointers? In-Reply-To: <199701142251.RAA02714@persprog.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, David Alderman wrote: > On 14 Jan 97 at 15:07, Steve Passe proclaimed: > > > > > EISA should be avoided for SMP/technical reasons (which I have gone into > > in detail in the past). I highly recommend the Gigabyte GA586DX if > > you want a P5 system. P6 is an unknown to me. > > Unfortunately that would have been my next question, namely: > Wouldn't P6's be better for multiprocessing than Pentiums? > Also, which would be more cost-effective, a dual Pentium 166 (since > 200's are NOT cost effective) or a single Pentium Pro 200? If you're interested in P6's, my Tyan Titan Pro, with 2 p6-166's works fine for smp. The 166 Mhz chips were about half the price of the 200's, and had 512K cache to boot, so I'm very happy with that compromise. > > I think I'll go check some prices... > > ====================================== > When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose fantasy. > Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com > ====================================== > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 14 16:12:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA18217 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:12:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA18168 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA27185 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:11:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA28979; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:03:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199701150003.RAA28979@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: "David Alderman" cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Motherboard & ChipSet pointers? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:51:11 +0500." <199701142251.RAA02714@persprog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:03:54 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On 14 Jan 97 at 15:07, Steve Passe proclaimed: > > > > > EISA should be avoided for SMP/technical reasons (which I have gone into > > in detail in the past). I highly recommend the Gigabyte GA586DX if > > you want a P5 system. P6 is an unknown to me. > > Unfortunately that would have been my next question, namely: > Wouldn't P6's be better for multiprocessing than Pentiums? yes, they would. --- > Also, which would be more cost-effective, a dual Pentium 166 (since > 200's are NOT cost effective) or a single Pentium Pro 200? perhaps a dual P6-150, P6-150s being $100 LESS than P5-166s: Intel Pentium Pro 200 256K $697 Intel Pentium Pro 180 256K $519 Intel Pentium Pro 150 256K $287 <<< Intel Pentium 200 $504 Intel Pentium 166 $384 <<< Intel Pentium 133 $199 given the overall price of a complete system I would go for a dual P6-200/256 if I were buying today. 697-384=313, 313x2=616, $600 difference between dual P5-166 and dual P6-200 (+ maybe $150 diff in motherboards). Considering an overall system cost of $3000-$4000, you would get ALOT more bang for that extra $750. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzHe7tEAAAEEAM274wAEEdP+grIrV6UtBt54FB5ufifFRA5ujzflrvlF8aoE 04it5BsUPFi3jJLfvOQeydbegexspPXL6kUejYt2OeptHuroIVW5+y2M2naTwqtX WVGeBP6s2q/fPPAS+g+sNZCpVBTbuinKa/C4Q6HJ++M9AyzIq5EuvO0a8Rr9AAUR tBlTdGV2ZSBQYXNzZSA8c21wQGNzbi5uZXQ+ =ds99 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 14 20:32:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA03629 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 20:32:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA03618; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 20:32:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA28554; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:46:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:46:28 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com cc: richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: <9700138532.AA853218347@ccgate.infoworld.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I can't agree with this... Just figuring out a way to *power* 200 > > modems in a standalone config is a nightmare. > > No, it's not. Multi-Tech has a rack with redundant power supplies. Supra > has one too (though without the redundancy). > > --Brett That's fine if you have purchased the Multi-Tech or Supra modems... But finding a transformer with one primary and many secondaries (*Don't try one big transformer, BAD things will happen to your modems involving smoke) to power your non-rack-supported modems is really tough. the time I spent dealing with electronics suppliers and the prices I was quoted; well, I could have just bought a few Ascends... The Courier solution sounds really nice for 50-ish modems; one could even put big PBX connectors on the back to tidy up the phone lines, and Xylogics now has optional cables that keep the 6 RS232's together and just terminate in another PBX-style connector. A handy person could make a neat cabinet with alot of spare time. But I still like the idea of a rack that can "take care of itself" and busy lines when a modem fries. None of the individual modem solutions offer this, and while the Couriers that we have perform extraordinarily well (only one has bit it in 2 years), they are pretty pricey when compared to an all-in-one, plug-some-T's-in-the-back-and-go solutions. Used equipment can be a good thing. Charles From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 15 03:59:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA23421 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 03:59:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mccomm.nl (root@gatekeeper.mccomm.nl [193.67.87.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id DAA23416 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 03:59:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from hpserver.mccomm.nl (hpserver.mccomm.nl [193.67.87.13]) by mccomm.nl (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA00873; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:57:38 +0100 Message-Id: <199701151157.MAA00873@mccomm.nl> Received: by hpserver.mccomm.nl (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA07643; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:57:01 +0100 From: Rob Schofield Subject: Re: Motherboard & ChipSet pointers? To: smp@csn.net, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org (Hardware list at FreeBSD) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 12:57:01 MET In-Reply-To: <199701142207.PAA28417@clem.systemsix.com>; from "Steve Passe" at Jan 14, 97 3:07 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > EISA should be avoided for SMP/technical reasons (which I have gone into > in detail in the past). I highly recommend the Gigabyte GA586DX if > you want a P5 system. P6 is an unknown to me. Steve, can you briefly re-hash these for me, or point me at a doc I can look at? This is worrying as I have picked up an EISA-based server expressly to run BSD! Any info gratefully received. Rob Schofield -- Witticisms are hard to define on Monday mornings... schofiel@xs4all.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~schofiel rschof@mccomm.nl From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 15 07:31:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA06517 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 07:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from seine.cs.umd.edu (10862@seine.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.59]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA06506 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 07:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by seine.cs.umd.edu (8.8.4/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04264; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:30:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:30:55 -0500 (EST) From: rohit@cs.umd.edu (Rohit Dube) Message-Id: <199701151530.KAA04264@seine.cs.umd.edu> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: 4 port 10/100 ethernet cards Cc: s@cs.umd.edu Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Anybody know of a 4 port 10/100 ethernet card based on the DEC 21X4X chipset which is known to work with FreeBSD? A search on the handbook/FAQ/mailing list archives failed to reveal anything useful. Pointers greatly appreciated. Thanks. --rohit. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 15 10:01:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA13953 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:01:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA13947 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:01:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from PacBell.TelcoSucks.org (ulf@PacBell.TelcoSucks.org [207.90.181.5]) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id KAA14856; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:12:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970115100120.00c9bf78@Gatekeeper-3.Lamb.net> X-Sender: ulf@Gatekeeper-3.Lamb.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:01:20 -0800 To: rohit@cs.umd.edu (Rohit Dube), hardware@freebsd.org From: Ulf Zimmermann Subject: Re: 4 port 10/100 ethernet cards Cc: s@cs.umd.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The Znyx 346(?) was not completly working, was the last I heard. Or with a special version of the de driver, which then not work with other cards. Search the mailing list archive for Znyx. Ulf. At 10:30 AM 1/15/97 -0500, Rohit Dube wrote: > >Hi, > >Anybody know of a 4 port 10/100 ethernet card based on the DEC 21X4X >chipset which is known to work with FreeBSD? > >A search on the handbook/FAQ/mailing list archives failed to reveal anything >useful. > >Pointers greatly appreciated. > >Thanks. > >--rohit. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- Alameda Networks, Inc. | Ulf Zimmermann (ulf@Alameda.net) 1525 Pacific Avenue | Phone: (510)769-2936 Alameda, CA 94501 | Fax : (510)521-5073 From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 15 19:38:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA24238 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from perki0.connect.com.au (perki0.connect.com.au [192.189.54.85]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA24230 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:38:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from Uapdata@localhost) by perki0.connect.com.au id OAA02233 (8.7.6h/IDA-1.6 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG); Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:38:03 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: perki0.connect.com.au: Uapdata set sender to apdata.com.au!davidh using -f >Received: from ftumph (Maint-Emulex [202.14.95.6]) by apdata.com.au (8.7.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA21971 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:11:06 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <32DDB113.4D93@apdata.com.au> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:09:47 +0930 From: David Hunt Organization: Applied Data Control X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Network Card Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there I have not installed Free BSD yet, but I intend to get rev 2.2, I need to know if Free BSD will support a Tiara Lancard E*AT 10BaseT card, the ethernet controller on it is a Fujitsu MB86950B. Please let me know if it will work. Thanks in anticipation. David Hunt From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 16 03:42:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA17366 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 03:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.perceval.net (relay.perceval.net [194.183.224.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id DAA17360 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 03:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fpollet@localhost) by relay.perceval.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA23258 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:42:41 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:42:41 +0100 From: Francois Pollet Message-Id: <199701161142.MAA23258@relay.perceval.net> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: ASUS T2P4 and Adaptec 2940AU Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Troubles in reboot with 2.1.6-RELEASE ASUS P55T2P4 bios 1.08 AHA2940AU bios 1.21 Seagate ST32155N 2.1Gb firmware 0532 with a FreeBSD only partition and standard MBR No problems during installation, geometry used is the geometry reported by a DOS fdisk (261/255/63), no errors reported during installation Everything works perfectly after a power on 2940AU hangs and fails to detect SCSI devices after a soft or a hard reboot A real power on is always required to restart the machine First I thought it was a compatibility problem between the T2P4 and the 2940AU but it seems to work fine with a DOS only partition Can somebody help ? Francois Pollet From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 16 04:10:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id EAA18507 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 04:10:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccsales.ccsales.com (ccsales.com [206.5.38.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id EAA18501 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 04:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from rkntws40casa ([206.5.38.36]) by ccsales.ccsales.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA27799 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 04:16:21 -0800 Message-Id: <199701161216.EAA27799@ccsales.ccsales.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Randy A. Katz" Organization: CCSales To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 04:05:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: ASUS T2P4 and Adaptec 2940AU Reply-to: randyk@ccsales.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm using the AHA2940AU with bioses ranging 1.10 to 1.23. They all seem to work flawlessly with 2.1.5, have not tried the later release with them though...hope this helps. Randy Katz > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:42:41 +0100 > From: Francois Pollet > To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > Subject: ASUS T2P4 and Adaptec 2940AU > > Troubles in reboot with 2.1.6-RELEASE > > ASUS P55T2P4 bios 1.08 > AHA2940AU bios 1.21 > Seagate ST32155N 2.1Gb firmware 0532 with a FreeBSD only partition and > standard MBR > > No problems during installation, geometry used is the geometry reported > by a DOS fdisk (261/255/63), no errors reported during installation > > Everything works perfectly after a power on > > 2940AU hangs and fails to detect SCSI devices after a soft or a hard reboot > A real power on is always required to restart the machine > > First I thought it was a compatibility problem between the T2P4 and the 2940AU > but it seems to work fine with a DOS only partition > > Can somebody help ? > > Francois Pollet > > > --------------------------------------------------------- Randy A. Katz --------------------------------------------------------- Computer Consultation & Sales 505 S. Beverly Drive, Suite 472, Beverly Hills, CA 90212 (213) 307-9581 randyk@ccsales.com http://www.ccsales.com --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 16 05:46:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id FAA22110 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 05:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from sand.sentex.ca (sand.sentex.ca [206.222.77.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id FAA22105 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 05:46:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from gravel (gravel.sentex.ca [205.211.165.210]) by sand.sentex.ca (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id IAA05726; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 08:47:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970116083719.0092a8f0@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 08:37:19 -0500 To: Francois Pollet , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: ASUS T2P4 and Adaptec 2940AU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:42 PM 1/16/97 +0100, Francois Pollet wrote: > >Troubles in reboot with 2.1.6-RELEASE > >ASUS P55T2P4 bios 1.08 >AHA2940AU bios 1.21 >Seagate ST32155N 2.1Gb firmware 0532 with a FreeBSD only partition and >standard MBR > >No problems during installation, geometry used is the geometry reported >by a DOS fdisk (261/255/63), no errors reported during installation > >Everything works perfectly after a power on > >2940AU hangs and fails to detect SCSI devices after a soft or a hard reboot >A real power on is always required to restart the machine > >First I thought it was a compatibility problem between the T2P4 and the 2940AU >but it seems to work fine with a DOS only partition > >Can somebody help ? I am sure its not what you wanted to hear, but I had the exact same problem with the above mentioned card on an ECS Pentium motherboard... I ended up bugging my distributor to find me a generic 2940.... I am very suprised that someone said they got that particular card working with 2.1.5. I could not even get 2.1.5 to recognize the card for what it was. ---Mike From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 16 09:31:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA01509 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 09:31:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from humvee.doit.wisc.edu (humvee.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA01504 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 09:31:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from audumla.students.wisc.edu by humvee.doit.wisc.edu; id LAA109004; 8.7.5/50; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:31:04 -0600 Received: from gabor-bsd by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id LAA09166; 8.6.9W/42; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:30:10 -0600 Message-ID: <32DE1189.446B9B3D@acm.org> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 05:31:21 -0600 From: Gabor Kincses X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Logitech Soundman Wave Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone knows of support for this sound card under FreeBSD? Is it hard to port a Linux driver (if one exists) over to FreeBSD? -- Gabor Kincses (gabor@acm.org) From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 16 10:35:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA05204 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:35:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA05196 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from PacBell.TelcoSucks.org (ulf@PacBell.TelcoSucks.org [207.90.181.5]) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id KAA17679; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:48:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970116103648.006dac24@Gatekeeper-3.Lamb.net> X-Sender: ulf@Gatekeeper-3.Lamb.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:36:49 -0800 To: Mike Tancsa , Francois Pollet , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Ulf Zimmermann Subject: Re: ASUS T2P4 and Adaptec 2940AU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 08:37 AM 1/16/97 -0500, Mike Tancsa wrote: >At 12:42 PM 1/16/97 +0100, Francois Pollet wrote: >> >>Troubles in reboot with 2.1.6-RELEASE >> >>ASUS P55T2P4 bios 1.08 >>AHA2940AU bios 1.21 >>Seagate ST32155N 2.1Gb firmware 0532 with a FreeBSD only partition and >>standard MBR >> >>No problems during installation, geometry used is the geometry reported >>by a DOS fdisk (261/255/63), no errors reported during installation >> >>Everything works perfectly after a power on >> >>2940AU hangs and fails to detect SCSI devices after a soft or a hard reboot >>A real power on is always required to restart the machine >> >>First I thought it was a compatibility problem between the T2P4 and the >2940AU >>but it seems to work fine with a DOS only partition >> >>Can somebody help ? > > >I am sure its not what you wanted to hear, but I had the exact same problem >with the above mentioned card on an ECS Pentium motherboard... I ended up >bugging my distributor to find me a generic 2940.... I am very suprised >that someone said they got that particular card working with 2.1.5. I >could not even get 2.1.5 to recognize the card for what it was. > > ---Mike I use a 2940U in a 2.1.5 system. It gives me sometimes at reboot the problem, that it lists all scsi devices found, but then never comes back with the Bios installed message, reset or power cycle helps mostly. Ulf. ----------------------------------------------------------- Alameda Networks, Inc. | Ulf Zimmermann (ulf@Alameda.net) 1525 Pacific Avenue | Phone: (510)769-2936 Alameda, CA 94501 | Fax : (510)521-5073 From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 16 11:08:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA07150 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:08:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA07139; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:08:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701161908.LAA07139@freefall.freebsd.org> To: Francois Pollet cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ASUS T2P4 and Adaptec 2940AU In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:42:41 +0100." <199701161142.MAA23258@relay.perceval.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:08:27 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Everything works perfectly after a power on > >2940AU hangs and fails to detect SCSI devices after a soft or a hard reboot >A real power on is always required to restart the machine > >First I thought it was a compatibility problem between the T2P4 and the 2940AU >but it seems to work fine with a DOS only partition > >Can somebody help ? Enable SCAM detection in the SCSI-Select utility and it should reboot fine. I have no idea why this fixes the problem. >Francois Pollet > -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 16 11:49:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA09298 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:49:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA09291 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:49:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA22585; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:48:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199701161948.LAA22585@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: ASUS T2P4 and Adaptec 2940AU In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970116103648.006dac24@Gatekeeper-3.Lamb.net> from Ulf Zimmermann at "Jan 16, 97 10:36:49 am" To: ulf@Alameda.net (Ulf Zimmermann) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:48:08 -0800 (PST) Cc: mike@sentex.net, fpollet@relay.perceval.net, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > At 08:37 AM 1/16/97 -0500, Mike Tancsa wrote: > >At 12:42 PM 1/16/97 +0100, Francois Pollet wrote: > >> > >>Troubles in reboot with 2.1.6-RELEASE > >> > >>ASUS P55T2P4 bios 1.08 > >>AHA2940AU bios 1.21 > >>Seagate ST32155N 2.1Gb firmware 0532 with a FreeBSD only partition and > >>standard MBR > >> > >>No problems during installation, geometry used is the geometry reported > >>by a DOS fdisk (261/255/63), no errors reported during installation > >> > >>Everything works perfectly after a power on > >> > >>2940AU hangs and fails to detect SCSI devices after a soft or a hard reboot > >>A real power on is always required to restart the machine I have seen these ``hangs'' and failure to find SCSI devices on 2940AU's in both ASUS PCI/I-P55T2P4's and PCI/I-P6NP5's. The problem seems worse on the Pentium PRO (8 out of 10 times from power on it fails to find disks, and 1 out of 10 times it hangs, leaving 1 in 10 boots :-(). I opened a trouble report with Adaptec who said it must be my termination or something with the devices on the chain (yea, right, swap the card for a real 2940U and the boot works in all 4 systems 10 out of 10 times, try again Adaptec). It also bothered me that the card reports version 1.21 of the bios, there was a 2940/2940U 1.21 version of the BIOS that also had some hang problems, but again, adaptec says the 1.21 is the latest and greatest :-(. I ended up returning all 2940AU cards to the supplier and found a batch of real 2940U's, which will probably be the last Adaptec 2940X products I sell, since Adaptec has denied the problem, and says there is no more 2940U production. Also given the fact that the AIC7860 chip is a joke compared to the AIC7880 due to reduced SCB memory space (3 vs 16) and the 2940AU card is greatly simplified without lowering the cost (even at the OEM level) I am once again becoming an NCR 53C810 only shop. > >> > >>First I thought it was a compatibility problem between the T2P4 and the > >2940AU > >>but it seems to work fine with a DOS only partition Try cold power on's, repeatedly, I beat that 1 in 10 or 15 times it fails to find your SCSI devices. > >> > >>Can somebody help ? > > > > > >I am sure its not what you wanted to hear, but I had the exact same problem > >with the above mentioned card on an ECS Pentium motherboard... I ended up > >bugging my distributor to find me a generic 2940.... I am very suprised > >that someone said they got that particular card working with 2.1.5. I > >could not even get 2.1.5 to recognize the card for what it was. Thanks! More evidence that this is really a generic 2940AU problem, now we all need to go beat on Adaptec tech AND sales support teams saying they should really give us back the 2940U and/or FIX the 2940AU AND lower the price since they have cut the cost of production in major ways. > > ---Mike > > I use a 2940U in a 2.1.5 system. It gives me sometimes at reboot the > problem, that it lists all scsi devices found, but then never comes back > with the Bios installed message, reset or power cycle helps mostly. Does your 2940U happen to have the older 1.21 BIOS? The latest version I have seen is 1.23 and I have never seen this problem on that version. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 16 12:02:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA10050 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:02:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from sand.sentex.ca (sand.sentex.ca [206.222.77.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA10045 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:02:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from gravel (gravel.sentex.ca [205.211.165.210]) by sand.sentex.ca (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA06481; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 15:04:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970116145354.00a51b60@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:53:56 -0500 To: "Rodney W. Grimes" From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: ASUS T2P4 and Adaptec 2940AU Cc: fpollet@relay.perceval.net, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:48 AM 1/16/97 -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: < sporadic 2940AU hangs description was here....> >Also given the fact that the AIC7860 chip is a joke compared to the >AIC7880 due to reduced SCB memory space (3 vs 16) and the 2940AU card >is greatly simplified without lowering the cost (even at the OEM level) >I am once again becoming an NCR 53C810 only shop. > > >Try cold power on's, repeatedly, I beat that 1 in 10 or 15 times it >fails to find your SCSI devices. Yes, even cycling the power didnt always give a clean boot... It was quite frustrating... Like I said, I ended up dumping it and getting the older 2940. >> >> >> >>Can somebody help ? >> >I am sure its not what you wanted to hear, but I had the exact same problem >> >with the above mentioned card on an ECS Pentium motherboard... I ended up >> >bugging my distributor to find me a generic 2940.... I am very suprised >> >that someone said they got that particular card working with 2.1.5. I >> >could not even get 2.1.5 to recognize the card for what it was. > >Thanks! More evidence that this is really a generic 2940AU problem, now >we all need to go beat on Adaptec tech AND sales support teams saying they >should really give us back the 2940U and/or FIX the 2940AU AND lower the >price since they have cut the cost of production in major ways. When I called Adaptec support on this, I really got the impression that they were aware of some sort of timeout problem. While waiting in the queue, one of the FAQ questions described a problem similar to what I had. After going through the problem with the support guy (who was quite helpful), it got to the point where he offerred me a straight out trade for the 2940UW no questions asked! I thought this was a good deal, but at the time I could not wait a week for the package to clear customs etc... So, I got a regular 2940 from my distributor who happened to have a few sitting about waiting to go back to Adaptec. You say you have had good luck with the NCR controller ? What is the going price for one, and where can it be had on-line... Where I am its primarly Adaptec thats sold :-( I dont need one quite yet, but our news computer will need a secondary soon and I am rather discouraged with my Adaptec experiences to date.... ---Mike From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 16 12:11:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA10658 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:11:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from vinyl.quickweb.com (vinyl.quickweb.com [206.222.77.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA10653 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mark@localhost) by vinyl.quickweb.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA10622; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 15:11:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 15:11:35 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Mayo To: Ulf Zimmermann cc: Mike Tancsa , Francois Pollet , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS T2P4 and Adaptec 2940AU In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970116103648.006dac24@Gatekeeper-3.Lamb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > At 08:37 AM 1/16/97 -0500, Mike Tancsa wrote: > >At 12:42 PM 1/16/97 +0100, Francois Pollet wrote: > >> > >>Troubles in reboot with 2.1.6-RELEASE > >> > >>ASUS P55T2P4 bios 1.08 > >>AHA2940AU bios 1.21 > >>Seagate ST32155N 2.1Gb firmware 0532 with a FreeBSD only partition and > >>standard MBR > >> > >>No problems during installation, geometry used is the geometry reported > >>by a DOS fdisk (261/255/63), no errors reported during installation > >> > >>Everything works perfectly after a power on > >> > >>2940AU hangs and fails to detect SCSI devices after a soft or a hard reboot > >>A real power on is always required to restart the machine > >> > >>First I thought it was a compatibility problem between the T2P4 and the > >2940AU > >>but it seems to work fine with a DOS only partition > >> > >>Can somebody help ? > > > > > >I am sure its not what you wanted to hear, but I had the exact same problem > >with the above mentioned card on an ECS Pentium motherboard... I ended up > >bugging my distributor to find me a generic 2940.... I am very suprised > >that someone said they got that particular card working with 2.1.5. I > >could not even get 2.1.5 to recognize the card for what it was. > > > > ---Mike > > I use a 2940U in a 2.1.5 system. It gives me sometimes at reboot the > problem, that it lists all scsi devices found, but then never comes back > with the Bios installed message, reset or power cycle helps mostly. > > Ulf. I believe it's specifically the 2940UA -- not the 'A' -- that is the culprit here. It's a lower grade version of the 2940/2940U . Get one without the 'A' and the problems should go away... A lot of stores around here are selling the 2940UA instead of the 2940U, often for the latter's price. I know many people who've been ripped off with the 2940UA. Of course lots of dealers just don't know the difference. Search the archives for an explanation of the differenced between the two controllers (aside from the boot utilities). -Mark --------------------------------------------------- | Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com | | RingZero Comp. vinyl.quickweb.com/mark | --------------------------------------------------- "To iterate is human, to recurse divine." - L. Peter Deutsch > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Alameda Networks, Inc. | Ulf Zimmermann (ulf@Alameda.net) > 1525 Pacific Avenue | Phone: (510)769-2936 > Alameda, CA 94501 | Fax : (510)521-5073 > From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 16 12:50:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA12700 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA12688 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA12500; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:49:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199701162049.NAA12500@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ASUS T2P4 and Adaptec 2940AU In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:48:08 PST." <199701161948.LAA22585@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:49:56 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, are the 2940UW (ie ultra wide) controllers also affected? By this I mean have they been "replaced" by a cheaper version, and will also dry up in the channels? on another topic, what would be the "hot" SCSI drive to purchase right now: high speed (7200 rpm, wide, maybe ultra, maybe not) high reliability 2GB or less (I want to ccd some, dont need 4GB x 4 drives of storage) what is the current status of the RAID driver you were working on? -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 16 21:40:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA11789 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA11784 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from PacBell.TelcoSucks.org (PacBell.TelcoSucks.org [207.90.181.5]) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id VAA19202; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:53:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970116214127.00be49e4@Gatekeeper-3.Lamb.net> X-Sender: ulf@Gatekeeper-3.Lamb.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:41:41 -0800 To: "Rodney W. Grimes" From: Ulf Zimmermann Subject: Re: ASUS T2P4 and Adaptec 2940AU Cc: mike@sentex.net, fpollet@relay.perceval.net, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:48 AM 1/16/97 -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> I use a 2940U in a 2.1.5 system. It gives me sometimes at reboot the >> problem, that it lists all scsi devices found, but then never comes back >> with the Bios installed message, reset or power cycle helps mostly. > >Does your 2940U happen to have the older 1.21 BIOS? The latest version >I have seen is 1.23 and I have never seen this problem on that version. > > > >-- >Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com >Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD > I am hardly rebooting the system, a production machine, so I can't tell. It almost never happened with software reset (reboot FreeBSD), only after a hard reset or power cycle Ulf. ----------------------------------------------------------- Alameda Networks, Inc. | Ulf Zimmermann (ulf@Alameda.net) 1525 Pacific Avenue | Phone: (510)769-2936 Alameda, CA 94501 | Fax : (510)521-5073 From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 17 01:41:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA20410 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:41:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from tarkhil.dialup.aha.ru (p50.dialup.aha.ru [194.220.185.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA20404 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tarkhil@localhost) by tarkhil.dialup.aha.ru (8.7.6/8.6.9) id MAA03263 for hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:36:49 +0300 (MSK) From: Alex Povolotsky Message-Id: <199701170936.MAA03263@tarkhil.dialup.aha.ru> Subject: Mustek ColorPrint scanner To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:36:48 +0300 (MSK) Reply-to: tarkhil@aha.ru X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! Does anyone know if any soft exists for Mustek ColorPro scaner (LPT)? Alex. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 17 13:47:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA28616 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:47:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA28594; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:47:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199701172147.NAA28594@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: [Q] aah-2940uw, disk need low level format To: questions Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:47:51 -0800 (PST) Cc: hardware X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk i have a dell dimension xps p90 with an aha-1540cp, (plug-n-pray disabled) seagate st32550n 2gb scsi disk. no other drives or scsi devices attached. works fine. time to upgrade to a faster scsi controller. installed an aha-2940uw. the machine hangs during boot immediately after printing the disk information. called adaptec support. after changing a number of controller parameters on the aha-2940uw, each followed by a reboot. adaptec says "you have to low level format". they state that the geometry used by the aha-1540cp is not compatible with the aha-2940uw because the aha-1540cp runs the scsi bus at 5 MB/s async and the aha-2940uw want to run the scsi bus at 10 MB/s sync. this is the first time that i have heard such a recommendation. does this match anyone's experience? jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 17 14:25:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA00536 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:25:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from thefly.plutotech.com (thefly.plutotech.com [206.168.67.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA00530; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:25:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from thefly (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thefly.plutotech.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00599; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:26:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701172126.NAA00599@thefly.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0beta 12/23/96 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: questions@freefall.freebsd.org, hardware@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Q] aah-2940uw, disk need low level format In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:47:51 PST." <199701172147.NAA28594@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:26:29 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >called adaptec support. after changing a number of controller >parameters on the aha-2940uw, each followed by a reboot. adaptec >says "you have to low level format". they state that the geometry >used by the aha-1540cp is not compatible with the aha-2940uw because >the aha-1540cp runs the scsi bus at 5 MB/s async and the aha-2940uw >want to run the scsi bus at 10 MB/s sync. > >this is the first time that i have heard such a recommendation. >does this match anyone's experience? Its not uncommon to have to dump and restore the data on a drive when switching between controllers with different translations (this is only neccessary if you need to boot off of the disk or access it via DOS BTW), but the 1540 and 2940 should have the same translation options. The transfer speed should not affect how the data is stored on the media. It sounds to me like the support tech you talked to was either on drugs or figured that by the time you low leveled the drive and restored your data and called back, he'd have gone home already. Perhpas have some sort of IRQ conflict with an ISA device? >jmb > >-- >Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG >FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ >PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB > -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 17 14:33:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA00798 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:33:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA00782; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:33:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from bitch.Melmac.org (ulf@Bitch.Melmac.org [207.90.181.42]) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.4/8.8.2) with ESMTP id OAA21125; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by bitch.Melmac.org (8.8.4/8.7.6) id OAA01427; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:33:03 -0800 (PST) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199701172233.OAA01427@bitch.Melmac.org> Subject: Re: [Q] aah-2940uw, disk need low level format In-Reply-To: <199701172147.NAA28594@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at "Jan 17, 97 01:47:51 pm" To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:33:03 -0800 (PST) Cc: questions@freefall.freebsd.org, hardware@freefall.freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > i have a dell dimension xps p90 with an aha-1540cp, (plug-n-pray > disabled) seagate st32550n 2gb scsi disk. no other drives or scsi > devices attached. works fine. time to upgrade to a faster scsi > controller. > > installed an aha-2940uw. the machine hangs during boot immediately > after printing the disk information. > > called adaptec support. after changing a number of controller > parameters on the aha-2940uw, each followed by a reboot. adaptec > says "you have to low level format". they state that the geometry > used by the aha-1540cp is not compatible with the aha-2940uw because > the aha-1540cp runs the scsi bus at 5 MB/s async and the aha-2940uw > want to run the scsi bus at 10 MB/s sync. > > this is the first time that i have heard such a recommendation. > does this match anyone's experience? > > jmb > > -- > Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG > FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ > PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB > With "after printing the disk information" you mean the time, the Adaptec Bios is getting installed ? At this point the geometry shouldn't matter and the tip from Adaptec sounds like B.S. to me. Ulf. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 17 19:26:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA18194 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 19:26:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (CEDB.DPCSYS.com [207.124.154.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA18188; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 19:26:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id DAA17856; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 03:14:37 GMT Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 19:14:34 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: questions@freefall.freebsd.org, hardware@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Q] aah-2940uw, disk need low level format In-Reply-To: <199701172147.NAA28594@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > installed an aha-2940uw. the machine hangs during boot immediately > after printing the disk information. In a similar situation, swapping a drive from an AIC-7850 (??) to an AHA-2940UW, I had to turn off Wide negotiation to get it to work. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 17 19:30:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA18383 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 19:30:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA18377; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 19:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id OAA22186; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 14:00:43 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199701180330.OAA22186@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: [Q] aah-2940uw, disk need low level format In-Reply-To: <199701172147.NAA28594@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at "Jan 17, 97 01:47:51 pm" To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 14:00:42 +1030 (CST) Cc: questions@freefall.freebsd.org, hardware@freefall.freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jonathan M. Bresler stands accused of saying: > > installed an aha-2940uw. the machine hangs during boot immediately > after printing the disk information. Erk, not good. What does 'boot -v' tell you? Can you boot with a kernel with DDB in it and break to ddb while it's hung? > called adaptec support. after changing a number of controller > parameters on the aha-2940uw, each followed by a reboot. adaptec > says "you have to low level format". they state that the geometry > used by the aha-1540cp is not compatible with the aha-2940uw because > the aha-1540cp runs the scsi bus at 5 MB/s async and the aha-2940uw > want to run the scsi bus at 10 MB/s sync. > > this is the first time that i have heard such a recommendation. > does this match anyone's experience? It's total crap. Ring Adaptec back, get hold of their support supervisor, tell them that one of their reps just blew it (indirectly) in a public mail forum with readers. If you have the rep's name, give them that too. You may have problems with the translated geometry reported by the 2940 and 1542 being different, but if you've managed to get the kernel read in, that's not an issue. > Jonathan M. 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The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 17 23:12:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA29041 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 23:12:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA29035; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 23:12:46 -0800 (PST) From: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com (ccgate.infoworld.com [192.216.49.101]) by lserver.infoworld.com (8.8.4/8.8.4/GNAC-GW-2.1) with SMTP id XAA08201; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 23:18:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA853571140; Fri, 17 Jan 97 23:53:39 PST Date: Fri, 17 Jan 97 23:53:39 PST Message-Id: <9700178535.AA853571140@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , questions@freefall.freebsd.org Cc: hardware@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: [Q] aah-2940uw, disk need low level format Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Installed an aha-2940uw. the machine hangs during boot immediately after > printing the disk information. I've heard about so many problems with the 2940UW that I'm hesitant to use it on a new FreeBSD system I'm building. Is there a different Ultra/Wide card that works flawlessly with FreeBSD 2.2? --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jan 18 00:35:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA01396 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:35:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA01358 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:35:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA24720; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:34:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199701180834.AAA24720@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: ASUS T2P4 and Adaptec 2940AU In-Reply-To: from Mark Mayo at "Jan 16, 97 03:11:35 pm" To: mark@quickweb.com (Mark Mayo) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:34:39 -0800 (PST) Cc: ulf@Alameda.net, mike@sentex.net, fpollet@relay.perceval.net, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ... > I believe it's specifically the 2940UA -- not the 'A' -- that is the > culprit here. It's a lower grade version of the 2940/2940U . Get one > without the 'A' and the problems should go away... A lot of stores around > here are selling the 2940UA instead of the 2940U, often for the latter's > price. I know many people who've been ripped off with the 2940UA. Of > course lots of dealers just don't know the difference. Search the archives > for an explanation of the differenced between the two controllers (aside > from the boot utilities). It is not totally the ``dealers, distributors or OEM's'' fault here. Adaptec simply stopped production of the 2940U, and shipped 2940AU's using the exact same order part number, boxing, etc... and gave no notification to the channel! Nor did they cut the PRICE! I have a 10 pack OEM box labeled ``2940U'' with the same part number I have been ordering for 6 months that has 2940AU's in it, and the serial numbers match between the box and the boards. THIS IS AN ADAPTEC RIP OFF AND MISSREPRESENTATION, and if it was not so painful and expensive to file lawsuits I'd have been all over them like a wet suite last week. The ``official'' distributors of Adaptec products (at least 3 of the big boys, Ingram, Tech Data, and Globbelle) can't even tell me if I will get 2940U's or 2940AU's if I order product. The OEM sells rep I talked with at Adaptec could NOT give me a different Adaptec order number for ordering 2940U's vs 2940AU's, but she assured me I should be able to get 2940U's. I had to go to the grey market to pick up an OEM 10 pack, and only ordered them after I made the guy open the box and read all the numbers off the card and chips to me. I could not find anyone in the ``official channel'' that could or would do this. I had my tech go dig through the web site and the only reference to the 2940AU he could find was in a new product called the Complete SCSI kit. The person I dealt with in Adaptec tech support said as far as they are concerned the 2940U doesn't even exist anymore, though someone here on the list has contridictory statements to that, and Adaptec sells contridicted it as well (though they confirmed only the 2940AU is being manufactured now). They only reasonable and economical action I can take at this time is to simply place adaptec on my black listed suppliers and use an alternate product. (Heck I sell NCR 53C810's 10:1 over Adaptecs 2940U anyway.) The shame is that the 2940U has some benifits, namely an outstanding FreeBSD driver, more complete device interoperbility, and Justin Gibbs who has been able to provide top notch FreeBSD support. *sigh* -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jan 18 00:49:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA02251 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:49:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA02245 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:49:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA24749; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:49:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199701180849.AAA24749@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: ASUS T2P4 and Adaptec 2940AU In-Reply-To: <199701162049.NAA12500@clem.systemsix.com> from Steve Passe at "Jan 16, 97 01:49:56 pm" To: smp@csn.net (Steve Passe) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:49:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > are the 2940UW (ie ultra wide) controllers also affected? By this I mean > have they been "replaced" by a cheaper version, and will also dry up > in the channels? So far no, as the AIC7860 chip used in the 2940UA does not have the ``wide'' ability needed on the 2940UW. Though that doesn't mean adaptec is not working on another AIC7xxx to lower manufacturing cost on 2940UW cards. > on another topic, what would be the "hot" SCSI drive to purchase right now: > > high speed (7200 rpm, wide, maybe ultra, maybe not) > high reliability > 2GB or less (I want to ccd some, dont need 4GB x 4 drives of storage) Again, we (the consumer) are getting screwed by the manufactures, most if not all of them have stopped 2G and smaller SCSI drive production, and shifted the bottom of the IDE curve to 2G. The smallest _current_ production SCSI drive I can buy is 4G. 1G and 2G drives can still be found in the channel, but most of these are OEM overruns and/or excess inventory liqudations (at premium prices since the high volume folks know they are a scarce product.) If your serious about 16G of 1 or 2G drives finger one of my accounts and give me a call, I can go on a dig for you (Right now I am pretty sure I could land you 16 Quantum XP31070W's at a <$250/drive. These are not ultra, but are 7200RPM.) I could probably find 8 of the 2G versions, though I don't recall seeing any of them on the spot market sheets this week. > what is the current status of the RAID driver you were working on? Shelved due to lack of time, caused by manufactures who keep me running around trying to make their latest cost reductions work :-(. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jan 18 01:49:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA04156 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:49:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA04150; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:49:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA24837; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:49:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199701180949.BAA24837@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: [Q] aah-2940uw, disk need low level format In-Reply-To: <199701172147.NAA28594@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at "Jan 17, 97 01:47:51 pm" To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:49:02 -0800 (PST) Cc: questions@freefall.freebsd.org, hardware@freefall.freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > i have a dell dimension xps p90 with an aha-1540cp, (plug-n-pray > disabled) seagate st32550n 2gb scsi disk. no other drives or scsi > devices attached. works fine. time to upgrade to a faster scsi > controller. > > installed an aha-2940uw. the machine hangs during boot immediately > after printing the disk information. > > called adaptec support. after changing a number of controller > parameters on the aha-2940uw, each followed by a reboot. adaptec > says "you have to low level format". they state that the geometry > used by the aha-1540cp is not compatible with the aha-2940uw because > the aha-1540cp runs the scsi bus at 5 MB/s async and the aha-2940uw > want to run the scsi bus at 10 MB/s sync. > > this is the first time that i have heard such a recommendation. > does this match anyone's experience? Absolute total bullshit!!! Low level formats should ONLY be done when a drive is reporting a MEDIA related failure and doing one at any other time can DESTROY a drive. Infact doing a low level format in anything other than a KNOW GOOD AND PROPERLY FUNCTIONING system is asking to cause MORE problems than it will ever solve. Also Geometries and SCSI bus transfer speeds are totally unrelated, they tech at Adaptec is obviosly clueless. Also the 1540cp and the 2940UW BOTH support the same 2 standard adaptec translations (X/63/255 for >1G, and X/64/32 for <1G). Use pfdisk.exe to dump the partition table on your drive, then set the translation scheme to match. Did the tech have you change the ``Support >1G'' option? If not do that, then call Adaptec tech and tell them what idiots they really are, then send $10.00 to the FreeBSD project for it's support. If you already tried that, send me the output of the following after you put the 1540CP back in and get the system booted: fdisk sd0 disklabel sd0 -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jan 18 01:54:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA04321 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:54:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA04315; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:53:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA24847; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:53:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199701180953.BAA24847@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: [Q] aah-2940uw, disk need low level format In-Reply-To: <199701172126.NAA00599@thefly.plutotech.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at "Jan 17, 97 01:26:29 pm" To: gibbs@thefly.plutotech.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:53:33 -0800 (PST) Cc: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, questions@freefall.freebsd.org, hardware@freefall.freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >called adaptec support. after changing a number of controller > >parameters on the aha-2940uw, each followed by a reboot. adaptec > >says "you have to low level format". they state that the geometry > >used by the aha-1540cp is not compatible with the aha-2940uw because > >the aha-1540cp runs the scsi bus at 5 MB/s async and the aha-2940uw > >want to run the scsi bus at 10 MB/s sync. > > > >this is the first time that i have heard such a recommendation. > >does this match anyone's experience? > > Its not uncommon to have to dump and restore the data on a drive when > switching between controllers with different translations (this is only > neccessary if you need to boot off of the disk or access it via DOS BTW), > but the 1540 and 2940 should have the same translation options. The transfer > speed should not affect how the data is stored on the media. It sounds > to me like the support tech you talked to was either on drugs or figured that > by the time you low leveled the drive and restored your data and called back, > he'd have gone home already. Perhpas have some sort of IRQ conflict with an ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ISA device? ^^^^^^^^^^ I missed that one, and given then point of the hang his diagnosis has a higher chance of being right than mine! I bet you have an IRQ problem, not necessarily a conflict, but you might not have the PCI slot IRQ enabled, or enough PCI IRQ's in the list of avaliable ones (depnds on who's BIOS you have as to what way the settings work.) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jan 18 08:25:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA17039 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 08:25:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (in-ruhr.ruhr.de [193.100.176.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA17033 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 08:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from robkaos.ruhr.de (admin@localhost) by mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with UUCP id QAA06474 for freebsd.org!freebsd-hardware; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 16:47:25 +0100 (MET) Received: by robkaos.ruhr.de (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.1) id ; Sat, 18 Jan 97 16:45 MET Message-Id: From: robsch@robkaos.ruhr.de (Robert Schien) Subject: Which PPro board? To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 16:45:26 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In the next few weeks I will buy a new motherboard. At the moment I have a 486DX50 which is somewhat slow. Because I probably will do lots of number crunching I think that an PPro-200 is the right choice. Another reason is good 'worldstone' bench :-) But what motherboard should I buy? Asus? Tyan? Does anyone know something about Chaintech? Is it correct that on non-ASUS boards I need a SCSI host adapter with BIOS if I want to boot from the SCSI drive? I ask this because the HA of my choice is some kind of NCR adapter. and most of these beasts you can buy in a usual PC shop are without BIOS. Is there anything special to note concerning the CPU? It may be that I will use the CPU in a Dual-PPro board later. Are there CPUs which are not able to smp? The CPU is a PPro 200 (256k). TIA Robert From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jan 18 12:31:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA27557 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 12:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw1.asacomputers.com (root@gw1.asacomputers.com [204.69.220.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA27552 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 12:31:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by gw1.asacomputers.com id JAA29953; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 09:33:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970118205310.00ad42bc@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 12:53:10 -0800 To: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com From: Kedar Subject: Re: [Q] aah-2940uw, disk need low level format Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We've used the Buslogic 958's to good effect. YMMV, Kedar. At 11:53 PM 1/17/97 PST, you wrote: >> Installed an aha-2940uw. the machine hangs during boot immediately after >> printing the disk information. > >I've heard about so many problems with the 2940UW that I'm hesitant to use >it on a new FreeBSD system I'm building. Is there a different Ultra/Wide >card that works flawlessly with FreeBSD 2.2? > >--Brett > > > From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jan 18 13:28:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA29623 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms1.nwla.com (root@NS.NWLA.COM [207.22.207.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA29595 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:27:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from dial1.nwla.com (dial1.nwla.com [207.22.207.20]) by ms1.nwla.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA22694 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 16:40:10 -0600 Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 16:40:10 -0600 Message-Id: <199701182240.QAA22694@ms1.nwla.com> X-Sender: ewhite@ms1.nwla.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Eddie White Subject: cdrom Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk i'm building a machine to run freebsd 2.1.5. the FAQ says IDE cd-roms are "experimental." from what i've been reading here, that is not quite the case? all i want the cd for is to load the os, so i'm after the cheapest way to go. you can get 4x ide cd drives for 60 bucks, which looks good to me! thanks, eddie