From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 25 06:53:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA22848 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 25 May 1997 06:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au (gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au [203.17.189.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA22843 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 06:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gavin@localhost) by gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au (8.8.3/8.6.9) id XAA23024 for hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 May 1997 23:53:41 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Cameron Message-Id: <199705251353.XAA23024@gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au> Subject: Support for ZX346 cards To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 23:53:41 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Does anyone have any idea when support for the Znyx 346 (10/100) cards will make it into 2.2 or 3.0? I've just tried booting up with 3.0-970525-SNAP and 2.2-970524-RELENG and both fail probing the 2nd, 3rd and 4th interfaces on the 346. I'll gladly help people to debug the driver under 2.2. Please drop me a line letting me know what I can do to help. TIA Gavin -- []------------------------------------+-------------------------------------[] | Gavin Cameron | Ormond College | | Ph : +61 3 9344 1201 | The University of Melbourne | | Fax : +61 3 9344 1111 | Parkville, Victoria | | Email : gavin@ormond.unimelb.edu.au | Australia, 3052 | []------------------------------------+-------------------------------------[] From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 25 08:04:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA24992 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 25 May 1997 08:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24983 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 08:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id MAA26045; Sat, 24 May 1997 12:22:04 -0500 Received: from dave(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma026032; Sat May 24 13:22:02 1997 Message-ID: <338723BC.53FB0230@persprog.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 13:22:04 -0400 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brandon Gillespie CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wang DAT SCSI drive woes X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brandon Gillespie wrote: > (aic0:6:0): "WangDAT Model 2600 01.2" type 1 removable SCSI 2 ... > All > of the available dip switches are as follow (also showing the state > they > were in when I found the drive) > > ID2 on obvious > ID1 off obvious > ID0 on obvious > PE off > OPT off > SCSI2 off SCSI1/2 switch, I switched to SCSI2 > CMPR off > BS off This is just speculation based on other drives: PE - Parity Enable CMPR - Hardware Compression OPT - I have no idea BS - Other than the obvious, I have no idea :-) -- It's not my fault! It's some guy named "General Protection"! --Ratbert David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 25 08:04:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA24993 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 25 May 1997 08:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24982 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 08:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id MAA07204; Sat, 24 May 1997 12:35:30 -0500 Received: from dave(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma007185; Sat May 24 13:35:28 1997 Message-ID: <338726E2.6A9D29F4@persprog.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 13:35:30 -0400 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randall Hopper CC: "Jin Guojun[ITG]" , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199705231702.KAA29056@george.lbl.gov> <19970523142235.11747@ct.picker.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Randall Hopper wrote: > Could be. The big con to this setup that I've heard of (which I'll > avoid as long as possible) is the proprietary CPU card interface. > I'll vote for a solution that lends to more vendor competition > given a choice. The other problem with this design is that it will be short lived since the Deschutes will require a revised socket (called "Slot II" I believe). With that in mind the life cycle of the Pentium II motherboards currently in use will be shorter than the Pentium Pro's. This is a great situation for large vendors, but not that great for small vendors and users. If the socket stuck around for a while and other CPU makers could use/license the connector, I would not have such a negative opinion of Slot One. As it is, I think avoiding this thing is in our long-term best interests. -- It's not my fault! It's some guy named "General Protection"! --Ratbert David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 25 10:01:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28769 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 25 May 1997 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28764 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 10:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA10804 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 19:01:39 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id TAA15271 for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 25 May 1997 19:01:17 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id NAA10246; Sun, 25 May 1997 13:17:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970525131757.62904@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 13:17:57 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released References: <199705231702.KAA29056@george.lbl.gov> <199705232130.OAA02725@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 In-Reply-To: <199705232130.OAA02725@vader.cs.berkeley.edu>; from Satoshi Asami on Fri, May 23, 1997 at 02:30:41PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3323 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Satoshi Asami: > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=64k count=16000 > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1m count=1000 243 [12:56] roberto:~/.ncmdir> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=64k count=16000 16000+0 records in 16000+0 records out 1048576000 bytes transferred in 16.094320 secs (65151930 bytes/sec) 244 [13:10] roberto:~/.ncmdir> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1m count=1000 1000+0 records in 1000+0 records out 1048576000 bytes transferred in 19.304305 secs (54318247 bytes/sec) K6-166 @ 2.5x 75 MHz on ASUS P55T2P4. I'm surprised as I got about 144 Mb/s with my previous setup (P133 @ 2x 83 MHz). Copyright (c) 1992-1997 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #10: Fri May 23 22:47:39 CEST 1997 roberto@keltia.freenix.fr:/src/src/sys/compile/NKELTIA CPU: AMD K6 (187.94-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x561 Stepping=1 Features=0x8001bf real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) avail memory = 63758336 (62264K bytes) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #10: Fri May 23 22:47:39 CEST 1997 From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 25 10:01:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28782 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 25 May 1997 10:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28763 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 10:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA10798 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 19:01:35 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id TAA15272 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 25 May 1997 19:01:17 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id NAA10260; Sun, 25 May 1997 13:33:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970525133356.15391@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 13:33:56 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: P-II/266 vs. PPro/233 References: <19970523230021.34111@crh.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 In-Reply-To: <19970523230021.34111@crh.cl.msu.edu>; from Charles Henrich on Fri, May 23, 1997 at 11:00:21PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3323 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Charles Henrich: > 128k 1m RC5 GENERIC > > P-II/266 231M 106M 396K 3.8min > PPro/233 340M 87M 448K K6/187 65M 54M 217K 4.9min -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #10: Fri May 23 22:47:39 CEST 1997 From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun May 25 15:26:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA12239 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 25 May 1997 15:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca8-61.ix.netcom.com [207.93.141.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12228; Sun, 25 May 1997 15:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA01640; Sun, 25 May 1997 15:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 15:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705252226.PAA01640@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr CC: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, kato@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19970525131757.62904@keltia.freenix.fr> (message from Ollivier Robert on Sun, 25 May 1997 13:17:57 +0200) Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * 243 [12:56] roberto:~/.ncmdir> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=64k count=16000 : * 1048576000 bytes transferred in 16.094320 secs (65151930 bytes/sec) * 244 [13:10] roberto:~/.ncmdir> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1m count=1000 : * 1048576000 bytes transferred in 19.304305 secs (54318247 bytes/sec) Ouch. That's horrible! Even a p P133 with 2.1.5 (i.e., without the fast copyin/out) can get 80MB/s on both.... By the way, does anyone have a K6 with an Apollo chipset? * K6-166 @ 2.5x 75 MHz on ASUS P55T2P4. I'm surprised as I got about 144 Mb/s * with my previous setup (P133 @ 2x 83 MHz). That's impressive. * CPU: AMD K6 (187.94-MHz 586-class CPU) * Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x561 Stepping=1 * Features=0x8001bf Could it that the motherboard does not support all of K6's new features? (I heard you need a new BIOS for that if you have an older version of some motherboards.) Or maybe Mr. Kato will add them to his CPU-specific optimization code too. :) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 26 09:33:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA27260 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 May 1997 09:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA27255; Mon, 26 May 1997 09:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr3-1.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA06539 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Mon, 26 May 1997 18:33:30 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA01942; Mon, 26 May 1997 18:33:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 18:33:27 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Matt Thomas Cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: NCR SCSI + 100TX Ethernet chip References: <19970524124625.07596@keltia.freenix.fr> <19970524102943.GO37893@uriah.heep.sax.de> <19970524124625.07596@keltia.freenix.fr> <3.0.1.32.19970526113205.00715fc4@ranier.altavista-software.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.73 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970526113205.00715fc4@ranier.altavista-software.com>; from Matt Thomas on Mon, May 26, 1997 at 11:32:05AM -0400 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On May 26, Matt Thomas wrote: > >876 dual 875 > 885 multifunction 875 and fast ethernet (10/100) > >895 875 with Ultra-2 support (40MHz sync. + LVD) > > > >The Sym53c876 allows to put two Ultra-WIDE SCSI channels on one PCI > >card, without the need for a PCI to PCI bridge. This is better than > >an Adaptec 3940 with two SCSI chips behind a PPB, since it is cheaper > >and avoids the latency and complexity introduced by the PPB ... > > The Sym53c885 uses the same philosophy and puts a Fast Ethernet > and UltraWide SCSI on one PCI chip. (I'm going to write a driver > for the Fast Ethernet function.) I had only seen the 53c885 announcemt, but wasn't aware of any cards that use that chip. The combination of SCSI and Ethernet on one PCI card is most interesting, since there are just to few slots, always :) Does the Ethernet chip in the 885 share the problem of the DEC Ethernet chips, that requires copying of received packets (due to alignment constraints in the DMA engine, if I understand the problem correctly) ? Anyway: It's great that you are working on a driver for that chip! Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 26 11:55:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04935 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 May 1997 11:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cdsnet.net (mail.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04929; Mon, 26 May 1997 11:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shasta.altavista-software.com (Cust101.Max3.Boston.MA.MS.UU.NET [153.35.70.229]) by mail.cdsnet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13453; Mon, 26 May 1997 11:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970526145406.006d0124@ranier.altavista-software.com> X-Sender: 3ampop@ranier.altavista-software.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 14:54:06 -0400 To: Stefan Esser From: Matt Thomas Subject: Re: NCR SCSI + 100TX Ethernet chip Cc: scsi@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <19970526183327.13556@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> References: <3.0.1.32.19970526113205.00715fc4@ranier.altavista-software.com> <19970524124625.07596@keltia.freenix.fr> <19970524102943.GO37893@uriah.heep.sax.de> <19970524124625.07596@keltia.freenix.fr> <3.0.1.32.19970526113205.00715fc4@ranier.altavista-software.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 06:33 PM 5/26/97 +0200, Stefan Esser wrote: >I had only seen the 53c885 announcemt, but wasn't aware of any >cards that use that chip. The combination of SCSI and Ethernet >on one PCI card is most interesting, since there are just to few >slots, always :) The eval cards with it should be out next month. I've been able (I think) to get one reserved to me. >Does the Ethernet chip in the 885 share the problem of the DEC >Ethernet chips, that requires copying of received packets (due >to alignment constraints in the DMA engine, if I understand the >problem correctly) ? No idea. I'm waiting for the programming info to show up. I'm hoping it doesn't. -- Matt Thomas Internet: matt@3am-software.com 3am Software Foundry WWW URL: http://www.3am-software.com/bio/matt.html Westford, MA Disclaimer: I disavow all knowledge of this message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 26 12:30:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA06542 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 May 1997 12:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06533 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 12:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA16515 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 21:30:08 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id VAA03757 for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 26 May 1997 21:30:01 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id VAA03281; Mon, 26 May 1997 21:14:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970526211440.51805@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 21:14:40 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released References: <19970525131757.62904@keltia.freenix.fr> <199705252226.PAA01640@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 In-Reply-To: <199705252226.PAA01640@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU>; from Satoshi Asami on Sun, May 25, 1997 at 03:26:15PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3332 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Satoshi Asami: > Ouch. That's horrible! Even a p P133 with 2.1.5 (i.e., without the > fast copyin/out) can get 80MB/s on both.... The culprit is the bcopy/bzero/copyin FPU code. I suspected it a bit as the FPU in the K6 is slower but the results are interesting. With flags 0x4 or 0x7 (so the real culprit is the copyin/out code) I get this : 202 [21:04] roberto@keltia:~> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=64k count=16000 1048576000 bytes transferred in 9.008729 secs (116395552 bytes/sec) 203 [21:07] roberto@keltia:~> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1m count=1000 1048576000 bytes transferred in 14.700602 secs (71328779 bytes/sec) *much* better. I still can't overclock it at 2.5x 83 MHz. Only 2.5x 75 MHz works with the K6 whereas it worked at 2x 83 MHz for the P133. Oh well, I can live with that... My kernel compilation time (not GENERIC but my own config) fell from 4:55 down to 3:29 :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #10: Fri May 23 22:47:39 CEST 1997 From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 26 13:22:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09155 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 May 1997 13:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09148 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 13:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id PAA28648; Mon, 26 May 1997 15:15:02 -0500 Received: from dave(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma028645; Mon May 26 16:14:59 1997 Message-ID: <3389EF45.2595CBA7@persprog.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 16:15:01 -0400 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: [Fwd: Intel Pentium II released] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dave Alderman wrote: > > Sean Eric Fagan wrote: > > > > Actually, the Deschutes is supposed to use the "Slot One" as well. > > > I'm afraid this is not the case. > > See http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?97056.ep6map.htm > for all the skinny on the upcoming Slot 2! In other words, your Slot > One > motherboard is a stopgap until Intel can put out Slot 2 in less than a > year. > > Gotta love 'em. > -- > It's not my fault! It's some guy named "General Protection"! > --Ratbert > David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon May 26 23:16:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA28783 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 May 1997 23:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28776 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 23:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA28324; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:42:38 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199705270612.PAA28324@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: question? In-Reply-To: <3385F49D.51E0@faki-campus-gw.mipt.ru> from "Victor G. Krivulets" at "May 23, 97 11:48:45 pm" To: kvg@faki-campus-gw.mipt.ru Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 15:42:37 +0930 (CST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Victor G. Krivulets stands accused of saying: [Charset koi8-r unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > Hello, > Please, say me, does FreeBSD support Accton network card? > (accton en1650) (Sorry for the delay) Yes, the en1650 is an NE2000-compatible ISA card; we have a 1652 here that works fine. > Thank you for advance, Victor Krivulets -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 27 12:17:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29275 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ficus.ripn.net (root@ficus.ripn.net [144.206.130.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29267; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.faki-campus.mipt.ru (orion.faki-campus.mipt.ru [194.85.83.138]) by ficus.ripn.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA25356; Wed, 28 May 1997 02:33:07 +0400 Message-ID: <338B3325.41C67EA6@ficus.ripn.net> Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 19:16:53 +0000 From: Alexander Gnativ Organization: MIPT ( Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology ) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org CC: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: question about drivers References: <3387353D.167EB0E7@ficus.ripn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Would you like, please, tell me are there any drivers for "Arlan 655" card for FreeBSD operation system? Thank you for advance. Alexander Gnativ mailto:gam@ficus.ripn.net From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 27 13:12:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01671 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cypher.net (black@zen.pratt.edu [205.232.115.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01651; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from black@localhost) by cypher.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id QAA04389; Tue, 27 May 1997 16:11:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 16:11:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Black To: Alexander Gnativ cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: question about drivers In-Reply-To: <338B3325.41C67EA6@ficus.ripn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk as far as i know the only wireless ethernet drivers for freebsd are for the at&t wavelan. you are welcome to write arlan drivers. On Tue, 27 May 1997, Alexander Gnativ wrote: > Hello, > > Would you like, please, tell me are there any drivers for > "Arlan 655" > card for FreeBSD > operation system? > Thank you for advance. > > > Alexander Gnativ > mailto:gam@ficus.ripn.net > From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 27 13:32:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA02609 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ficus.ripn.net (root@ficus.ripn.net [144.206.130.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA02604; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.faki-campus.mipt.ru (orion.faki-campus.mipt.ru [194.85.83.138]) by ficus.ripn.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA25477; Wed, 28 May 1997 03:48:13 +0400 Message-ID: <338B44B9.167EB0E7@ficus.ripn.net> Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 20:31:53 +0000 From: Alexander Gnativ Organization: MIPT ( Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology ) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Black CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: question about drivers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ben Black wrote: > > as far as i know the only wireless ethernet drivers for freebsd are for > the at&t wavelan. you are welcome to write arlan drivers. > > On Tue, 27 May 1997, Alexander Gnativ wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Would you like, please, tell me are there any drivers for > > "Arlan 655" > > card for FreeBSD > > operation system? > > Thank you for advance. And what about these drivers for other unix-system? ______________________ Alexander Gnativ mailto:gam@ficus.ripn.net From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 27 13:34:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA02774 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cypher.net (black@zen.pratt.edu [205.232.115.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02728; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from black@localhost) by cypher.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id QAA04778; Tue, 27 May 1997 16:33:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 16:33:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Black To: Alexander Gnativ cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: question about drivers In-Reply-To: <338B44B9.167EB0E7@ficus.ripn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk what about them? this is a freebsd list. On Tue, 27 May 1997, Alexander Gnativ wrote: > Ben Black wrote: > > > > as far as i know the only wireless ethernet drivers for freebsd are for > > the at&t wavelan. you are welcome to write arlan drivers. > > > > On Tue, 27 May 1997, Alexander Gnativ wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Would you like, please, tell me are there any drivers for > > > "Arlan 655" > > > card for FreeBSD > > > operation system? > > > Thank you for advance. > > And what about these drivers for other unix-system? > > ______________________ > Alexander Gnativ > mailto:gam@ficus.ripn.net > From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 27 14:57:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA05930 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lab321.ru (anonymous1.omsk.net.ru [194.226.32.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05922; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.l321.omsk.net.ru [127.0.0.1]) by lab321.ru (8.8.5-MVC-230497/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA17768; Wed, 28 May 1997 04:56:52 +0700 (OSD) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 04:56:52 +0700 (OSD) From: Eugeny Kuzakov To: Alexander Gnativ cc: Ben Black , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: question about drivers In-Reply-To: <338B44B9.167EB0E7@ficus.ripn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 27 May 1997, Alexander Gnativ wrote: > Ben Black wrote: > > > > as far as i know the only wireless ethernet drivers for freebsd are for > > the at&t wavelan. you are welcome to write arlan drivers. > > > > On Tue, 27 May 1997, Alexander Gnativ wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Would you like, please, tell me are there any drivers for > > > "Arlan 655" > > > card for FreeBSD > > > operation system? > > > Thank you for advance. > > And what about these drivers for other unix-system? BSDI,Win95...:( Best wishes, Eugeny Kuzakov Laboratory 321 ( Omsk, Russia ) kev@lab321.ru From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue May 27 15:03:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06301 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06250 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 15:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA02339 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 23:17:15 +0300 (EEST) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:17:15 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RAMDAC question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk HI! Has anyone seen anywhere any cards having the IBM640 RAMDAC on-board? Yes, I am interested in all the strange features it provides. It would be cool to have one such board... Sander From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 28 06:56:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA12123 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 May 1997 06:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp [133.6.57.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA12080; Wed, 28 May 1997 06:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marble.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (8.8.5/3.4W4) with ESMTP id WAA19773; Wed, 28 May 1997 22:54:14 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199705281354.WAA19773@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, kato@eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 25 May 1997 15:26:15 -0700 (PDT)" References: <199705252226.PAA01640@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.28.1 / Mule 2.3 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 03 72 85 36 62 46 23 03 52 B1 10 22 44 10 0D 9E Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 22:54:14 +0900 From: KATO Takenori Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 15:26:15 -0700 (PDT) > Could it that the motherboard does not support all of K6's new > features? (I heard you need a new BIOS for that if you have an older > version of some motherboards.) Could someone explain how to enable K6's `new feature'? > Or maybe Mr. Kato will add them to his CPU-specific optimization code > too. :) I obtained data sheet and BIOS developers guid but I couldn't find any information for enabling K6's new feature and what new feature needs BIOS support. ---- KATO Takenori Dept. Earth Planet. Sci., Nagoya Univ., Nagoya, 464-01, Japan PGP public key: finger kato@eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp ------------------- Powered by FreeBSD(98) ------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 28 14:05:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA02956 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02946 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA06447; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705282105.OAA06447@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> To: kato@eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp CC: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, kato@eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp In-reply-to: <199705281354.WAA19773@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> (message from KATO Takenori on Wed, 28 May 1997 22:54:14 +0900) Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released From: asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * > Could it that the motherboard does not support all of K6's new * > features? (I heard you need a new BIOS for that if you have an older * > version of some motherboards.) * * Could someone explain how to enable K6's `new feature'? It's quite possible that I just don't know what I'm talking about. I read in a motherboard guide that "does the MB support 6x86, K6, etc...can they supply the voltage they want, do their BIOS enable their chip features" or something like that. It's quite possible that the "features" part was referring to the 6x86 only. Now that I looked for it, I can't find any specific references to them. However, "http://www.amd.com/K6/k6faq/k6faq.html#4" says: "What are the AMD-K6(TM) motherboard design requirements? What about chipsets and BIOS support? The AMD-K6(TM) processor, Socket 7 bus compatible by design, enables PC manufacturers and resellers to deliver affordable, top-to-bottom PC solutions. For existing Socket 7 motherboards, certain modifications may be necessary to ensure proper voltage settings and BIOS support." ^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'm not sure what this means. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 28 14:15:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03395 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03389 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA06476; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705282115.OAA06476@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr CC: hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <19970526211440.51805@keltia.freenix.fr> (message from Ollivier Robert on Mon, 26 May 1997 21:14:40 +0200) Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released From: asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * With flags 0x4 or 0x7 (so the real culprit is the copyin/out code) I get * this : * * 202 [21:04] roberto@keltia:~> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=64k count=16000 * 1048576000 bytes transferred in 9.008729 secs (116395552 bytes/sec) * * 203 [21:07] roberto@keltia:~> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1m count=1000 * 1048576000 bytes transferred in 14.700602 secs (71328779 bytes/sec) I see. I forgot that the K6 is a 586-class CPU. ;) But the main memory speed is still less than 80MB/s that the P5-133/EDO with 2.1.5 (no FP-copy) gets. Is that EDO memory? Bruce, do you think you can add a code to disable the FP-copy when the chip is a 586-class but not from "GenuineIntel" (or whatever)? The only 586-class non-Intel CPU out there is the K6 (K5 too?), right? * I still can't overclock it at 2.5x 83 MHz. Only 2.5x 75 MHz works with the * K6 whereas it worked at 2x 83 MHz for the P133. That is quite normal. Intel is known to have more slack in their chips' specifications in terms of pushing it to the limit than their competitors. (Whether that's good or bad, I won't say. :) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 28 15:24:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07365 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA07356; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr3-15.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA17138 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Thu, 29 May 1997 00:24:10 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) id AAA00469; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:24:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:24:06 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Satoshi Asami Cc: kato@eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Stefan Esser Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released References: <199705281354.WAA19773@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> <199705282105.OAA06447@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 In-Reply-To: <199705282105.OAA06447@vader.cs.berkeley.edu>; from Satoshi Asami on Wed, May 28, 1997 at 02:05:21PM -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On May 28, Satoshi Asami wrote: > * > Could it that the motherboard does not support all of K6's new > * > features? (I heard you need a new BIOS for that if you have an older > * > version of some motherboards.) > * > * Could someone explain how to enable K6's `new feature'? > The AMD-K6(TM) processor, Socket 7 bus compatible by design, enables > PC manufacturers and resellers to deliver affordable, top-to-bottom PC > solutions. For existing Socket 7 motherboards, certain modifications > may be necessary to ensure proper voltage settings and BIOS support." > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I'm not sure what this means. Guess this is the write-allocate feature of the primary cache, which is off by default. There is an additional bit in the TLB, that indicates a read on some page could be cached. The CPU then knows that it may cache writes to that page, even if the line is not currently in cache (-> write-allocate). There is a base/limit register that allows to specify some address region (normally system D-RAM) as cacheable, additionally. This lets all writes in that area be cached. Both features are off, by default. (There was another feature like the first one above, but based on a hint found in the cache line, if I remember correctly. Something like, write-allocate, if the line had been valid and cacheable, even if it was flushed because of a bus snoop and is not valid right now ...) These features can be enabled by a knowledgable BIOS, or from the OS. I have the docs at home, the details are all in the PDF data book found on the AMD web site ... Regards, STefan PS: Write-allocate should of course make a big difference for block copies, which would explain the very different results reported. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 28 16:05:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10037 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10032 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA24274; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:05:13 -0700 (PDT) To: asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 May 1997 14:15:34 PDT." <199705282115.OAA06476@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:05:13 -0700 Message-ID: <24270.864860713@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I see. I forgot that the K6 is a 586-class CPU. ;) But the main > memory speed is still less than 80MB/s that the P5-133/EDO with 2.1.5 > (no FP-copy) gets. Is that EDO memory? > > Bruce, do you think you can add a code to disable the FP-copy when the > chip is a 586-class but not from "GenuineIntel" (or whatever)? The > only 586-class non-Intel CPU out there is the K6 (K5 too?), right? BTW, I've just ordered a motherboard and 166Mhz K6 for the resurrection of thud. I could have resurrected thud a couple of weeks ago, actually, but the idea of bringing it back as a 486DX2 just didn't really thrill me too much so I figured we'd take this opportunity to build a non-Intel FreeBSD box and get a faster build/test machine at the same time. Maybe once it's up and running, you and bde can decide how best to support it. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 28 16:09:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10205 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA10194 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (jwm@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA17510; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:08:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199705282308.QAA17510@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> To: asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Cc: kato@eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released In-reply-to: Message from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) of "Wed, 28 May 1997 14:05:21 PDT." <199705282105.OAA06447@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:08:09 -0700 From: John Milford Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) wrote: > > The AMD-K6(TM) processor, Socket 7 bus compatible by design, enables > PC manufacturers and resellers to deliver affordable, top-to-bottom PC > solutions. For existing Socket 7 motherboards, certain modifications > may be necessary to ensure proper voltage settings and BIOS support." > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I'm not sure what this means. > > Satoshi When I left AMD (Nov. '96), there were quite a few problems with K6 and old BIOS revisions. This maybe what they are refering to, although I would expect everyone to have a newer revision since the chip needs 2.9v (??), and that is fairly new. --John From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed May 28 21:32:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA23420 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 May 1997 21:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23415 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 21:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA26985 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 06:31:43 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id GAA06713 for hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 May 1997 06:31:14 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id BAA12947; Thu, 29 May 1997 01:17:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970529011729.17544@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 01:17:29 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released References: <19970526211440.51805@keltia.freenix.fr> <199705282115.OAA06476@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 In-Reply-To: <199705282115.OAA06476@vader.cs.berkeley.edu>; from Satoshi Asami on Wed, May 28, 1997 at 02:15:34PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3332 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Satoshi Asami: > I see. I forgot that the K6 is a 586-class CPU. ;) But the main > memory speed is still less than 80MB/s that the P5-133/EDO with 2.1.5 > (no FP-copy) gets. Is that EDO memory? Yes, I have 64MB in 2x 32 MB EDO @ 60 ns. > That is quite normal. Intel is known to have more slack in their > chips' specifications in terms of pushing it to the limit than their > competitors. (Whether that's good or bad, I won't say. :) I've got information that for the ASUS T2P4, removing the JP20 jumper will put the CPU voltage at 3.2V and that should enable 2.5x 83 MHz. Test tomorrow evening (thursday). :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #10: Fri May 23 22:47:39 CEST 1997 From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 29 02:57:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA05217 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 May 1997 02:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA05212 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 02:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.5/8.6.9) id TAA05150; Thu, 29 May 1997 19:51:16 +1000 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:51:16 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199705290951.TAA05150@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Bruce, do you think you can add a code to disable the FP-copy when the >chip is a 586-class but not from "GenuineIntel" (or whatever)? The >only 586-class non-Intel CPU out there is the K6 (K5 too?), right? CPU_M2 also has class CPU_586. I don't know if the K6 is a CPU_586 or a CPU_M2. It's not really either. The FP-copy attachment code shouldn't know about this. It should run some tests and pick the fastest method. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 29 07:32:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA16179 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 May 1997 07:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA16173 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 07:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id JAA08598; Thu, 29 May 1997 09:26:17 -0500 Received: from dave(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma008595; Thu May 29 10:26:13 1997 Message-ID: <338D9200.D9656BB6@persprog.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:26:08 -0400 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b5 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Fwd: Intel Pentium II released] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3389EF45.2595CBA7@persprog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dave Alderman wrote: > > Dave Alderman wrote: > > I'm afraid this is not the case. > > > > See > http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?97056.ep6map.htm > > for all the skinny on the upcoming Slot 2! In other words, your > Slot > > One > > motherboard is a stopgap until Intel can put out Slot 2 in less than > a > > year. > > > > Gotta love 'em. I assume by the lack of response that this article is indeed correct. Anybody want to guess how long Slot One will be around? Does anyone own one of these yet and have a few comments? -- David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 29 08:03:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA17957 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (ppp0.lariat.org@[129.72.251.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17952 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from solo.lariat.org ([129.72.251.10]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA04761; Thu, 29 May 1997 09:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970529080242.006b44ec@lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@lariat.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:02:42 -0600 To: bde@zeta.org.au, asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <882564A6.0037ED8A.00@IWND1.infoworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Something to test: would an MMX copy be faster than the FP copy? The K6 is claimed to have particularly fast transfers when used for MMX. --Brett At 07:51 PM 5/29/97 +1100, bde@zeta.org.au wrote: >>Bruce, do you think you can add a code to disable the FP-copy when the >>chip is a 586-class but not from "GenuineIntel" (or whatever)? The >>only 586-class non-Intel CPU out there is the K6 (K5 too?), right? > >CPU_M2 also has class CPU_586. I don't know if the K6 is a CPU_586 or >a CPU_M2. It's not really either. The FP-copy attachment code shouldn't >know about this. It should run some tests and pick the fastest method. > >Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 29 11:29:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00343 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hobbes.saturn-tech.com (drussell@[207.229.19.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00337 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by hobbes.saturn-tech.com (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id MAA17342; Thu, 29 May 1997 12:27:25 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:27:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell Reply-To: Doug Russell To: Satoshi Asami cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released In-Reply-To: <199705282115.OAA06476@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 28 May 1997, Satoshi Asami wrote: > * I still can't overclock it at 2.5x 83 MHz. Only 2.5x 75 MHz works with the > * K6 whereas it worked at 2x 83 MHz for the P133. > > That is quite normal. Intel is known to have more slack in their > chips' specifications in terms of pushing it to the limit than their > competitors. (Whether that's good or bad, I won't say. :) This isn't *necessarily* true. (Although it may be for many of the newer chips.) If you look at 486-class CPUs, I can't run my Intel DX2/66 chip anything higher than 66 Mhz or it won't boot. On the other hand, I have a couple of AMD-133 chips running at 150 and 160 Mhz... The one that runs FreeBSD as a communications server, web server, mail host, etc. etc: hobbes:/home/drussell {3} uptime 12:19PM up 74 days, 14:44, 8 users, load averages: 0.56, 0.32, 0.43 hobbes:/home/drussell {4} uname -a FreeBSD hobbes.saturn-tech.com 2.2-BETA_A FreeBSD 2.2-BETA_A #0: Fri Mar 14 00:37:04 MST 1997 drussell@hobbes.saturn-tech.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/ HOBBES i386 Hmm... My uptime is even getting up there. Nifty. :) Later...... From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 29 11:58:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02159 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02151 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA28608 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 20:57:13 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id UAA16476 for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 29 May 1997 20:57:01 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id UAA01670; Thu, 29 May 1997 20:14:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970529201422.16792@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:14:22 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released References: <199705282115.OAA06476@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> <24270.864860713@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 In-Reply-To: <24270.864860713@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Wed, May 28, 1997 at 04:05:13PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3332 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Jordan K. Hubbard: > BTW, I've just ordered a motherboard and 166Mhz K6 for the > resurrection of thud. I could have resurrected thud a couple of weeks > ago, actually, but the idea of bringing it back as a 486DX2 just I can now confirm the K6-166 does run at 2.5x 83 MHz. For an ASUS P/I P55T2P4, you'll have to remove the jumper on JP20 to get 3.2V from the regulator. With 3.2V (instead of the usual 2.9V for the K6), you can overclock the K6-166 at 208 MHz... Copyright (c) 1992-1997 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #13: Mon May 26 20:54:39 CEST 1997 roberto@keltia.freenix.fr:/src/src/sys/compile/NKELTIA Calibrating clock(s) ... i586 clock: 208818561 Hz, i8254 clock: 1193250 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency CPU: AMD K6 (208.82-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x561 Stepping=1 Features=0x8001bf real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) avail memory = 63729664 (62236K bytes) dd/64k = 130.4 MB/s dd/1m = 74.6 MB/s GENERIC kernel = 0:44.72 + 3:31.37 = 4:16.49 I gain 13% on kernel compiles, not too bad for a 10% clock gain. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #10: Fri May 23 22:47:39 CEST 1997 From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu May 29 11:58:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02196 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02149 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA28605 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 20:57:10 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id UAA16475 for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 29 May 1997 20:57:00 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id TAA16098; Thu, 29 May 1997 19:04:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970529190405.50052@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:04:05 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released References: <882564A6.0037ED8A.00@IWND1.infoworld.com> <3.0.1.32.19970529080242.006b44ec@lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970529080242.006b44ec@lariat.org>; from Brett Glass on Thu, May 29, 1997 at 08:02:42AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3332 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Brett Glass: > Something to test: would an MMX copy be faster than the FP copy? The K6 is > claimed to have particularly fast transfers when used for MMX. That would be nice indeed. I don't much about MMX, I got the doc. from AMD but still haven't got time to read it. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #10: Fri May 23 22:47:39 CEST 1997 From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 30 11:48:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01790 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (ppp0.lariat.org@[129.72.251.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01782 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from solo.lariat.org ([129.72.251.10]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA21565 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 12:47:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970530114929.007217d8@lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@lariat.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 11:49:29 -0600 To: hardware@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass Subject: Please boycott this spammer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A company called The Memory Exchange, at http://www.memoryexchange.com, is spamming the Net with tens of thousands of unsolicited "junk" e-mail messages. Judgiing from the addresses on the spam, it may have gathered names from one or more of the FreeBSD mailing lists. In the name of good Internet citizenship, please boycott this spammer. --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 30 16:19:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14871 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 30 May 1997 16:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14863 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 16:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA18999; Sat, 31 May 1997 09:19:29 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 09:19:28 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Brett Glass cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please boycott this spammer In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970530114929.007217d8@lariat.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 30 May 1997, Brett Glass wrote: > A company called The Memory Exchange, at http://www.memoryexchange.com, is > spamming the Net with tens of thousands of unsolicited "junk" e-mail I'm presently collecting spam messages for a spam-blocking smtp relay I am 80% through writing. Can you please send me a sample with headers. Thanks, Danny /* Daniel O'Callaghan */ /* HiLink Internet danny@hilink.com.au */ /* FreeBSD - works hard, plays hard... danny@freebsd.org */ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 30 17:27:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA18451 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 30 May 1997 17:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from george.lbl.gov (george-2.lbl.gov [131.243.2.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA18446 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 17:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (jin@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.6.10/8.6.5) id RAA29428 for hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 May 1997 17:27:33 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:27:33 -0700 From: "Jin Guojun[ITG]" Message-Id: <199705310027.RAA29428@george.lbl.gov> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: SMP (3.0-970527-SNAP) on dual pentium machines Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does any one have tested some dual pentium motherboards? I have two different dual pentium motherboards: 1) ASUS P/I-P65UP5 with C-P55T2D 2) TYAN S1563D neither of them really gets worked for SMP. Here is the testing result by using pthread library -lc_r: ----------------------- FreeBSD with single CPU: 60 /data/src: vfft mri.b128 > /dev/null 9.7u 0.1s 0:09.95 99.3% 97+11132k 0+0io 0pf+0w FreeBSD with dual CPU + pthread (failure SMP): 62 /data/src: vfft.mt < mri.b128 > /dev/null 9.5u 0.2s 0:09.83 99.1% 77+11822k 0+0io 0pf+0w ----------------------- Solaris 2.5.1.u8 with single CPU: 67 /home/data/src: vfft mri.b128 > /dev/null 12.0u 0.0s 0:13 87% 0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w Solaris 2.5.1.u8 with dual CPU + thread (SMP): 69 /home/data/src: vfft.mt mri.b128 > /dev/null 12.0u 0.0s 0:07 168% 0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w ----------------------- We can see that Solaris does make SMP work, but FreeBSD 3.0-SNAP does not. Does this fail at pthread library (-lc_r)? I have not use fork() for a while. I will test it sometimes later. I saw some message early that said SMP works. Would some one please tell me how was the SMP tested (fork() or pthread)? Thanks, -Jin From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 30 18:33:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA20643 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 30 May 1997 18:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20630 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 18:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA12025; Fri, 30 May 1997 18:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd012004; Sat May 31 01:26:57 1997 Message-ID: <338F7E36.446B9B3D@whistle.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:26:14 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jin Guojun[ITG]" CC: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP (3.0-970527-SNAP) on dual pentium machines References: <199705310027.RAA29428@george.lbl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jin Guojun[ITG] wrote: > > Does any one have tested some dual pentium motherboards? > > I have two different dual pentium motherboards: > 1) ASUS P/I-P65UP5 with C-P55T2D > 2) TYAN S1563D > > neither of them really gets worked for SMP. Here is the testing result by > using pthread library -lc_r: the pthread library does not yet utilise multiple kernel threads.. they are all still on one process and thus one processor. people are working on it, but don't hold your breath too much.. fork() however will work on separate processors.. > > ----------------------- > > FreeBSD with single CPU: > 60 /data/src: vfft mri.b128 > /dev/null > 9.7u 0.1s 0:09.95 99.3% 97+11132k 0+0io 0pf+0w > > FreeBSD with dual CPU + pthread (failure SMP): > 62 /data/src: vfft.mt < mri.b128 > /dev/null > 9.5u 0.2s 0:09.83 99.1% 77+11822k 0+0io 0pf+0w > > ----------------------- > > Solaris 2.5.1.u8 with single CPU: > 67 /home/data/src: vfft mri.b128 > /dev/null > 12.0u 0.0s 0:13 87% 0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w > > Solaris 2.5.1.u8 with dual CPU + thread (SMP): > 69 /home/data/src: vfft.mt mri.b128 > /dev/null > 12.0u 0.0s 0:07 168% 0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w > > ----------------------- > > We can see that Solaris does make SMP work, but FreeBSD 3.0-SNAP does not. > Does this fail at pthread library (-lc_r)? I have not use fork() for a while. > I will test it sometimes later. > > I saw some message early that said SMP works. Would some one please tell me > how was the SMP tested (fork() or pthread)? pthreads and fork() are two different things. > > Thanks, > > -Jin From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 30 18:39:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA20873 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 30 May 1997 18:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20860; Fri, 30 May 1997 18:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24629; Fri, 30 May 1997 19:38:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199705310138.TAA24629@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: "Jin Guojun[ITG]" cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP (3.0-970527-SNAP) on dual pentium machines In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 May 1997 17:27:33 PDT." <199705310027.RAA29428@george.lbl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 19:38:57 -0600 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > I have two different dual pentium motherboards: > 1) ASUS P/I-P65UP5 with C-P55T2D > 2) TYAN S1563D > > neither of them really gets worked for SMP. Here is the testing result by > using pthread library -lc_r: > > ----------------------- > > FreeBSD with single CPU: > 60 /data/src: vfft mri.b128 > /dev/null > 9.7u 0.1s 0:09.95 99.3% 97+11132k 0+0io 0pf+0w > > FreeBSD with dual CPU + pthread (failure SMP): > 62 /data/src: vfft.mt < mri.b128 > /dev/null > 9.5u 0.2s 0:09.83 99.1% 77+11822k 0+0io 0pf+0w > > > ----------------------- > > Solaris 2.5.1.u8 with single CPU: > 67 /home/data/src: vfft mri.b128 > /dev/null > 12.0u 0.0s 0:13 87% 0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w > > Solaris 2.5.1.u8 with dual CPU + thread (SMP): > 69 /home/data/src: vfft.mt mri.b128 > /dev/null > 12.0u 0.0s 0:07 168% 0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w > > ----------------------- > > We can see that Solaris does make SMP work, but FreeBSD 3.0-SNAP does not. > Does this fail at pthread library (-lc_r)? I have not use fork() for a while. > I will test it sometimes later. > > I saw some message early that said SMP works. Would some one please tell me > how was the SMP tested (fork() or pthread)? what you are demonstrating is the fact that we do not yet have kernel threads working. The threads provided by our libc_r all run in one process, thus no improvement in thruput for your test. Note that FreeBSD does much better (if I'm reading thse right) than Solaris in the single CPU test. Once we have kernel threads we should also do substantially better than Solaris in the MP test. FreeBSD is using all CPUs, and any situation that benefits from running multiple processes at the same time should see real differences. Check out: http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.htm Note that I can now build an SMP kernel in 95 seconds (no X running) on a dual P6-200x512. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri May 30 18:50:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21227 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 30 May 1997 18:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (root@cais.com [199.0.216.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21221 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 18:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.mat.net (root@earth.mat.net [205.252.122.1]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA01069; Fri, 30 May 1997 21:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Journey2.mat.net (journey2.mat.net [205.252.122.116]) by earth.mat.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA14477; Fri, 30 May 1997 21:50:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 21:50:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@Journey2.mat.net To: "Jin Guojun[ITG]" cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP (3.0-970527-SNAP) on dual pentium machines In-Reply-To: <199705310027.RAA29428@george.lbl.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 30 May 1997, Jin Guojun[ITG] wrote: > Does any one have tested some dual pentium motherboards? > > I have two different dual pentium motherboards: > 1) ASUS P/I-P65UP5 with C-P55T2D > 2) TYAN S1563D > > neither of them really gets worked for SMP. Here is the testing result by > using pthread library -lc_r: [results elided] > > We can see that Solaris does make SMP work, but FreeBSD 3.0-SNAP does not. > Does this fail at pthread library (-lc_r)? I have not use fork() for a while. > I will test it sometimes later. > > I saw some message early that said SMP works. Would some one please tell me > how was the SMP tested (fork() or pthread)? Several things with this post are strange, maybe wrong? First, the pthread lib on FreeBSD is NOT kernel threads, which Sun does have, so the test is not valid to begin with. Second, you don't mention if you were using an SMP kernel, with SMP turned on. If you were, and you were running more than one process, you _would_ have noticed a difference, but not in the one-process test you show. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 31 05:52:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA22681 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 31 May 1997 05:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp [133.6.57.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA22675; Sat, 31 May 1997 05:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marble.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (8.8.5/3.4W4) with ESMTP id VAA00623; Sat, 31 May 1997 21:52:01 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199705311252.VAA00623@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> To: se@freebsd.org Cc: asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu, kato@eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 29 May 1997 00:24:06 +0200" References: <19970529002406.34366@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.28.1 / Mule 2.3 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 03 72 85 36 62 46 23 03 52 B1 10 22 44 10 0D 9E Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 21:52:00 +0900 From: KATO Takenori Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: Stefan Esser Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:24:06 +0200 > Guess this is the write-allocate feature of the primary cache, Thanks. I found information for write-allocate in the K6 data sheet and made patch for 3.0-current. Could someone test following patch? ---------- BEGIN ---------- *** machdep.c.ORIG Sat May 31 21:48:41 1997 --- machdep.c Sat May 31 21:48:36 1997 *************** *** 1384,1389 **** --- 1384,1401 ---- avail_end + off, VM_PROT_ALL, TRUE); msgbufmapped = 1; + #ifdef CPU_WCDE + if (strcmp(cpu_vendor, "AuthenticAMD") == 0 && + (cpu_id & 0xff0) == 0x560) { + /* Enable cachebility detection to enable write allocate of K6 */ + wrmsr(0xc0000082, (quad_t)(Maxmem / 512) | 0x80LL + #ifndef CPU_DISABLE_WA15M + | 1LL + #endif + ); + } + #endif + #ifdef SMP /* look for the MP hardware */ mp_probe(); ---------- END ---------- New options CPU_WCDE enables write-allocate on K6 cpu. ---- KATO Takenori Dept. Earth Planet. Sci., Nagoya Univ., Nagoya, 464-01, Japan PGP public key: finger kato@eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp ------------------- Powered by FreeBSD(98) ------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 31 12:58:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA09760 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 31 May 1997 12:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dunquin.bu.edu (PPP-76-20.BU.EDU [128.197.7.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09750 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 12:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rdmurphy@localhost) by dunquin.bu.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id PAA00744; Sat, 31 May 1997 15:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:57:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Russell D. Murphy" Message-Id: <199705311957.PAA00744@dunquin.bu.edu> To: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Tape drive problems (Archive Anaconda) Reply-to: rdmurphy@bu.edu Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to backup up my system (so I can upgrade to 2.2.x, among other reasons). However, my tape drive is acting up: it seems to have trouble backing up anything of any size and then seems to render the tape it was using unreadable (and unwritable). Although I haven't backed up since Jan. (which was when I installed 2.1.6) I have used the drive regularly since last summer. I have an NCR controller and an Archive Anaconda QIC-1350 tape drive: (ncr0:6:0): "ARCHIVE ANCDA 2750 28077 -003" type 1 removable SCSI 2 I generate these problems with dump or tar: # pwd /A/home # tar -cvf /dev/rst0 rdmurphy (long file listing) tar: can't write to /dev/rst0: Input/output error # tar -tvf /dev/rst0 tar: read error on /dev/rst0: Input/output error # cd rdmurphy # tar -cvf /dev/rst0 illeg (shorter file listing, with a tape drive noise at end, no err.) # tar -tvf /dev/rst0 tar: read error on /dev/rst0: Input/output error This produces dmesg messages such as: ncr0: restart (ncr dead ?). sd0(ncr0:0:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. sd0(ncr0:0:0): UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,0 sd0(ncr0:0:0): Power on, reset, or bus device reset occurred , retries:4 st0(ncr0:6:0): 200ns (5 Mb/sec) offset 8. I'd be quite grateful for any suggestions that anyone can offer. I'm overdue for a backup as it is and I'm also reluctant to upgrade without a recent backup. Thanks- Russ Murphy more system info.: ------------------ FreeBSD 2.1.6-RELEASE #0: Sat May 31 12:56:47 EDT 1997 rdmurphy@dunquin.bu.edu:/usr/src/sys/compile/DUNQUIN CPU: 133-MHz Pentium 735\90 or 815\100 (Pentium-class CPU) real memory = 16777216 (16384K bytes) avail memory = 15114240 (14760K bytes) ncr0 rev 2 int a irq 11 on pci0:12 mapreg[10] type=1 addr=0000e400 size=0100. mapreg[14] type=0 addr=f7ff0000 size=0100. reg20: virtual=0xf4105000 physical=0xf7ff0000 size=0x100 ncr0: restart (scsi reset). ncr0 scanning for targets 0..6 (V2 pl23 95/09/07) ncr0 waiting for scsi devices to settle (ncr0:0:0): "FUJITSU M1606S-512 6234" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ncr0:0:0): Direct-Access sd0(ncr0:0:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. 1041MB (2131992 512 byte sectors) sd0(ncr0:0:0): with 3457 cyls, 6 heads, and an average 102 sectors/track (ncr0:3:0): "SONY CD-ROM CDU-76S 1.1c" type 5 removable SCSI 2 cd0(ncr0:3:0): CD-ROM cd0(ncr0:3:0): 200ns (5 Mb/sec) offset 8. cd0(ncr0:3:0): UNIT ATTENTION asc:28,0 cd0(ncr0:3:0): Not ready to ready transition, medium may have changed cd present.[400000 x 2048 byte records] (ncr0:6:0): "ARCHIVE ANCDA 2750 28077 -003" type 1 removable SCSI 2 st0(ncr0:6:0): Sequential-Access st0(ncr0:6:0): 200ns (5 Mb/sec) offset 8. density code 0x0, drive empty From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 31 14:33:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14740 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 31 May 1997 14:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14723 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 14:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA02747 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 23:32:45 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id XAA15480 for hardware@freebsd.org; Sat, 31 May 1997 23:32:30 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id TAA00409; Sat, 31 May 1997 19:12:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970531191202.58857@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 19:12:02 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released References: <19970529002406.34366@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> <199705311252.VAA00623@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 In-Reply-To: <199705311252.VAA00623@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp>; from KATO Takenori on Sat, May 31, 1997 at 09:52:00PM +0900 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3332 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to KATO Takenori: > Could someone test following patch? I'm running it right now. I don't see any increase in speed and the two dd tests gave the same numbers. I guess the ASUS BIOS has already put the K6 in that mode... Thanks, -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #10: Fri May 23 22:47:39 CEST 1997 From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat May 31 18:18:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA27379 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 31 May 1997 18:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mindcrime.termfrost.org (root@mindcrime.termfrost.org [208.141.2.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27371 for ; Sat, 31 May 1997 18:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mandrews@localhost) by mindcrime.termfrost.org (8.8.5/8.8.5/mindcrime-19970514) with SMTP id VAA03964; Sat, 31 May 1997 21:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 21:17:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Andrews Reply-To: Mike Andrews To: Ollivier Robert cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Pentium II released In-Reply-To: <19970531191202.58857@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Which version of the ASUS P55T2P4 BIOS are y'all using? 0203 (dated mid-May) is supposed to enable these K6 features... earlier ones supposedly don't know anything about it. -- Mike Andrews (MA12) network & systems guy, Digital Crescent, Frankfort KY -- mandrews@dcr.net -- mandrews@termfrost.org -- http://www.termfrost.org/ -- "The eyes are open, the mouth moves, but Mr. Brain has long since departed" On Sat, 31 May 1997, Ollivier Robert wrote: > According to KATO Takenori: > > Could someone test following patch? > > I'm running it right now. I don't see any increase in speed and the two dd > tests gave the same numbers. I guess the ASUS BIOS has already put the K6 > in that mode... > > Thanks, > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr > FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #10: Fri May 23 22:47:39 CEST 1997 >