From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jul 6 03:45:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA18173 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 03:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.inreach.com (mail.inreach.com [205.138.224.216]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA18168 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 03:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ncc-1701-d.starfleet.gov (ppp6212.la.inreach.net [199.107.160.212]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/(InReach)) with SMTP id DAA25893 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 03:44:57 -0700 (PDT) From: dburr@POBoxes.com (Donald Burr) To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: more about my hardware problem - could it be EDO related? Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 10:40:36 GMT Organization: InReach Internet Communications Reply-To: dburr@POBoxes.com Message-ID: <33c074f8.24805458@mail.inreach.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id DAA18169 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk First, thanks to all who have made comments and suggestions to my hardware problems (random crashes, hangs, weird transient error messages from gcc, etc.) In probing around the system, I have discovered another potential problem, and based on some information I've been reading on the Usenet, maybe this is also a part of my overall problem. The memory installed in my machine is a 16MB 60ns 72-pin SIMM module. Nothing terribly unusual about this, except that this is an EDO SIMM. And the motherboard's manual mentions nothing about EDO. Now, I searched around on Usenet, and asked around with some knowledgable friends at various computer stores, and both sources tell me that it (using EDO memory in a non-EDO board) works only some of the time. One person had his entire system fail, and the memory module was actually physically (electricall) damaged. He had to return it. Well, the system hasn't died or burst into flames (yet...), but neither is it working 100% "properly" either. So could this be my problem? And does anyone out there know more about this issue (use of EDO memory in a possibly non-EDO motherboard, etc.) Thanks again for all of your assistance. -- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 564-1871 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jul 7 10:15:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24590 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw.rinet.ru (gw.rinet.ru [194.87.171.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24583 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bit.vologda.su by gw.rinet.ru with UUCP id VAA00482; (8.6.11/vak/1.9) Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:11:58 +0400 Received: from HOTMAGIC.VCOM.RU by bit.vologda.su with SMTP id VAA05159; (8.6.11/vak/1.9) Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:12:51 +0400 Message-ID: <33BFD01C.3386@vcom.ru> Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 21:04:28 +0400 From: Dany Prusakov Reply-To: dany@vcom.ru Organization: BitPress Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: SIS 6202 PCI VIDEO CARD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can I use SIS6202 PCI Video card with X Windows or no? If I can use this card, PLS tall me how. Dany Prusakov. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jul 7 14:23:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA09293 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09288 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA21916; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:22:50 -0700 (PDT) To: dany@vcom.ru cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SIS 6202 PCI VIDEO CARD In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 06 Jul 1997 21:04:28 +0400." <33BFD01C.3386@vcom.ru> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 14:22:50 -0700 Message-ID: <21911.868310570@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Can I use SIS6202 PCI Video card with X Windows or no? Wrong place to ask - please see http://www.xfree86.org as they are completely responsible for the X server product; we just bundle whatever they give us. Thanks. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jul 7 22:38:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA28836 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arthur.cs.purdue.edu (0@arthur.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28829 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lore.cs.purdue.edu (0@lore.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.2.16]) by arthur.cs.purdue.edu (8.8.4/PURDUE_CS-1.4) with ESMTP id AAA23673 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from rem.physics.purdue.edu (london.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.67.35]) by lore.cs.purdue.edu (8.8.4/PURDUE_CS-1.4) with SMTP id AAA24060 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:38:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <33C1D20E.5CC8@cs.purdue.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 00:37:18 -0500 From: Anthony Akens Reply-To: akensaj@cs.purdue.edu Organization: Purdue University X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Video Card Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am trying to install FreeBSD 2.2.1 on a system that has a Diamond Speedstar 64 ISA video card in it. During the install process (for the walnut creek CD - using either the install program or the boot floppy) just after it says "booting kernel" the screen scrambles (the text is very distorted). When I tried installing with a different (VGA) video card in it worked fine. Is there any way to install FreeBSD with my current video card? My computer "specs" are below - if they are useful. Intel Pentium 133 processor ASUS Motherboard (Intel Chipset) Samsung 17Gli Monitor Samsung 8X CD-Rom Soundblaster 32 PnP Award Bios 64 Mb RAM 1.5GB Western Digital Hard drive, 600 Mb Seagate Hard drive Windows '95 is install on the 1.5 GB drive - I am trying to install FreeBSD on the 600 MB drive. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Anthony Akens Peter da Silva wrote: > > I'm not sure. Diamond had a bad habit of changing their cards and depending > on the BIOS to hide the changes. Try asking in hardware@freebsd.org. > From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jul 8 12:42:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03805 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw1.asacomputers.com (root@gw1.asacomputers.com [204.69.220.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03794 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gw1.asacomputers.com id JAA09129; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970708193828.008a0004@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 12:38:28 -0700 To: dburr@POBoxes.com From: Kedar Subject: Re: more about my hardware problem - could it be EDO related? Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If you're board is a 486/66, I very much doubt if it'll be EDO-compatible. Frankly, I'm surprised that the system even works close to "properly". Try to get a regular FPM module. Parity might be recommended in the motherboard manual. Best, Kedar. At 10:40 AM 7/6/97 GMT, you wrote: >The memory installed in my machine is a 16MB 60ns 72-pin SIMM module. >Nothing terribly unusual about this, except that this is an EDO SIMM. >And the motherboard's manual mentions nothing about EDO. >Well, the system hasn't died or burst into flames (yet...), but >neither is it working 100% "properly" either. So could this be my >problem? And does anyone out there know more about this issue (use of >EDO memory in a possibly non-EDO motherboard, etc.) From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 9 06:57:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA15429 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 06:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA15424 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 06:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Guard.PolyNet.Lviv.UA (Guard.PolyNet.Lviv.UA [194.44.138.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA16281 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 06:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by Guard.PolyNet.Lviv.UA (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA29789 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:54:51 +0300 (EEST) Received: from netsurfer.lp.lviv.ua(192.168.0.3) by Guard.PolyNet.Lviv.UA via smap (V2.0) id xma029786; Wed, 9 Jul 97 16:54:39 +0300 Received: (from smap@localhost) by NetSurfer.lp.lviv.ua (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA18583 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:54:38 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199707091354.QAA18583@NetSurfer.lp.lviv.ua> Received: from ws35.lp.lviv.ua(192.168.0.35) by NetSurfer.lp.lviv.ua via smap (V2.0beta) id xma018570; Wed, 9 Jul 97 16:54:08 +0300 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adrian Pavlykevych" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:57:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Q:PCI bridges-extenders supported Reply-to: bugtraq@polynet.lviv.ua Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everybody! Can somebody post a list of PCI-PCI bridge chipsets / motherboards with more then 4 PCI slots supported under FreeBSD? TIA, Adrian Pavlykevych | State University "Lvivska Polytechnica" System Administrator | 12, St. Bandery str, Campus Computer Network | Lviv, 290646 tel/fax:+380 (322) 742041 | Ukraine From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 9 10:58:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27842 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA27829 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr3-7.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA25026 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:58:28 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.6/8.6.9) id TAA04459; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:58:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:58:29 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: bugtraq@polynet.lviv.ua Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q:PCI bridges-extenders supported References: <199707091354.QAA18583@NetSurfer.lp.lviv.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 In-Reply-To: <199707091354.QAA18583@NetSurfer.lp.lviv.ua>; from Adrian Pavlykevych on Wed, Jul 09, 1997 at 04:57:34PM +0000 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Jul 9, Adrian Pavlykevych wrote: > Hi everybody! > > Can somebody post a list of PCI-PCI bridge chipsets / motherboards > with more then 4 PCI slots supported under FreeBSD? There are some Natoma based PCI motherboards that come with 5 slots (from ASUS, for example). But you may also be able to use some Triton II based board with on-board SCSI, as available from several vendors. Those offer Ultra-WIDE SCSI plus 4 free PCI slots. You may also check out motherboards with more than one CPU to PCI bridge, eg. the Intel XXpress, which has the on-board devices on a seperate PCI bus. In case this is not sufficient, there are some PCI extender boxes, but I never used one myself. ASAMI Satoshi has some experience with them. You should expect FreeBSD to work with all bug-free PCI chip sets. All current Intel chip sets work just fine, and I think SiS is generally OK, too. There have been problems with Compaq and ALI chip sets, but workarounds are implemented to compensate for their bugs ... Let me know, if you have any problems with some chip set and I'll send debug patches and will try to find a fix as soon as possible. Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 9 11:36:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29928 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw1.asacomputers.com (root@gw1.asacomputers.com [204.69.220.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29906; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gw1.asacomputers.com id IAA20391; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 08:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970709183302.00a743ec@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 11:33:02 -0700 To: Stefan Esser From: Kedar Subject: Re: Q:PCI bridges-extenders supported Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 07:58 PM 7/9/97 +0200, you wrote: >There are some Natoma based PCI motherboards that >come with 5 slots (from ASUS, for example). But There is a Supermicro board with *8* PCI slots- The P6DNH. 440FX. Some VX chipset boards have 5 PCI slots too. Regards, Kedar. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 9 17:35:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA25262 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA25252; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA15352; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:04:16 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707100034.KAA15352@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Q:PCI bridges-extenders supported In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970709183302.00a743ec@gw1> from Kedar at "Jul 9, 97 11:33:02 am" To: kedar@asacomputers.com (Kedar) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:04:16 +0930 (CST) Cc: se@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Kedar stands accused of saying: > At 07:58 PM 7/9/97 +0200, you wrote: > >There are some Natoma based PCI motherboards that > >come with 5 slots (from ASUS, for example). But > > There is a Supermicro board with *8* PCI slots- The P6DNH. 440FX. > Some VX chipset boards have 5 PCI slots too. This is an I20 board. Do not expect it to work with FreeBSD just yet. Supermicro have a couple of 5-slot Natoma boards (P6SN[EF]), where the E is a baby-AT board and the F is a full-AT board. > Kedar. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 9 18:19:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA27180 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 18:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27175; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 18:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07453; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:19:05 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:19:02 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, sdudley@byterunner.com Subject: Configuring Byterunner TC-800 high speed 8-port serial card In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ I'm posting this for two reasons: to give the ByteRunner people more ] [ info to hand out, and to get some solid info into the archives. I ] [ searched the freebsd archives and came up with nothing. ] I just thought I would let people know what happened with the TC-800 high speed 8-port serial card. It turned out that there are some really weird things with my cheapy PCI m/b I was testing the card in. In an old 386 m/b it worked perfectly. In a 486 machine there was a conflict with address 0x100 and some unknown device, but shifting the port ranges to 0x180-0x1b8 fixed that. This card is definitely a cost-effective way of adding extra serial lines to a FreeBSD box, although you should bear in mind that there may be some teething problems resolving conflicts initially, and it only gives you 8 ports per ISA slot, so you'd be hard pushed to get more than 32 ports in the machine. To configure the card for FreeBSD: * Firstly, read sio(4) (man sio) so you know what's going on. The card is a Boca type, not an AST type. Also, search the Handbook at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook.html * Set the card as Unix mode 0 (or 1,2,3) using page 0 (default). Set all of the IRQ jumpers to be the same (e.g. 12) and close the "enable IRQ" jumper for IRQ 12. * You need to build a new kernel with support for the card. There is a chapter in the Handbook about building kernels. The config lines you need for the TC-800 are: options COM_MULTIPORT device sio4 at isa? port 0x100 tty flags 0xb05 device sio5 at isa? port 0x108 tty flags 0xb05 device sio6 at isa? port 0x110 tty flags 0xb05 device sio7 at isa? port 0x118 tty flags 0xb05 device sio8 at isa? port 0x120 tty flags 0xb05 device sio9 at isa? port 0x128 tty flags 0xb05 device sio10 at isa? port 0x130 tty flags 0xb05 device sio11 at isa? port 0x138 tty flags 0xb05 irq 12 vector siointr The above is exactly as described in sio(4) for Boca cards. By using the mode and page-select jumpers you can start the TC-800 starting port addresses at any of: 0x100, 0x180, 0x200, 0x240, 0x280, 0x300, x0380 0x500, 0x580, 0x600, 0x640, 0x680, 0x700, x0780 0x900, 0x980, 0xA00, 0xA40, 0xA80, 0xB00, x0B80 0xD00, 0xD80, 0xE00, 0xE40, 0xE80, 0xE00, x0E80 /* Daniel O'Callaghan */ /* HiLink Internet danny@hilink.com.au */ /* FreeBSD - works hard, plays hard... danny@freebsd.org */ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 9 19:06:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA29267 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca13-05.ix.netcom.com [204.32.168.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29262; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.6/8.6.9) id TAA16248; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707100206.TAA16248@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: se@FreeBSD.ORG CC: bugtraq@polynet.lviv.ua, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19970709195829.49457@mi.uni-koeln.de> (message from Stefan Esser on Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:58:29 +0200) Subject: Re: Q:PCI bridges-extenders supported From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * In case this is not sufficient, there are some PCI * extender boxes, but I never used one myself. ASAMI * Satoshi has some experience with them. I'm the ASAMI Satoshi Stefan is talking about. We got our PCI expansion boxes from Bit3 (www.bit3.com). We haven't done much more than a little testing, but they appeared to work ok. The model we have has 7 slots in the expansion box; subtracting the 1 slot taken from the main bus for the connector card, each box adds 6 slots net behind three levels of PCI-PCI bridges. In the picture above, "=" are the PCI slots. One of the slots in the expansion box is designated for the connector card (marked with "*"). The bridge chips are marked with "B". (Note the connector cable between the main unit and the expansion box is also a separate PCI bus.) Motherboard | expansion box bus 0 | bus 1 bus 2 -=-=-=-=- -*-=-=-=-B-=-=-=-=- | | B---B bus 1 Our units have the IBM PCI-PCI bridge chips. The DEC bridge chips (they are used in Adaptec 3940) work fine too. * You should expect FreeBSD to work with all bug-free * PCI chip sets. All current Intel chip sets work just * fine, and I think SiS is generally OK, too. There * have been problems with Compaq and ALI chip sets, * but workarounds are implemented to compensate for * their bugs ... Note that it also depends on the BIOS if you want to use deep bridging like the above. At the time we tested (1 1/2 years ago), at least Award BIOS didn't support more than one level of bridges (so we could use 3940's but not the expansion boxes). This may have changed. * Let me know, if you have any problems with some chip * set and I'll send debug patches and will try to find * a fix as soon as possible. Yeah, he's very good at that. I can vouch for him. :) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jul 9 19:31:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA00519 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00512 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA10653; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 22:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 22:30:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Arnold To: John Milford cc: FreeBSD-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, jwm@csua.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: Apollo VP2/VP3 chipset In-Reply-To: <199707040433.VAA23797@meeko.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Jul 1997, John Milford wrote: > Does anyone have experience with these chipsets? Are you > happy with them ... I am thinking about getting a motherboard based on > one or the other of these, but have not seen much about them on > the list. The VP2 is also known as the AMD640 chipset. AMD licensed the core from VIA. Only board I've seen shipping with the VIA 590/VP2 chipset is the FIC PA-2011 which is ATX only. I have not extensively tested my AMD640 based board. In fact, I powered it up to make sure it worked okay and it has sat in the box ever since. Rumors about the VP3 : SMP support for OpenPIC chips ( finally! ). Beyond that rumor and PC97 and AGC support and complience... not much other real info. Might want to hit http://sysdoc.pair.com If you haven't hit it already, http://www.via.com.tw for the chipset's homepage. +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 10 00:05:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA11295 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com ([140.145.230.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA11271; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.dk.tfs.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06629; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:51:25 +0200 (CEST) To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, sdudley@byterunner.com From: Poul-Henning Kamp Subject: Re: Configuring Byterunner TC-800 high speed 8-port serial card In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:19:02 +1000." Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:51:25 +0200 Message-ID: <6627.868517485@critter.dk.tfs.com> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message , "Danie >* You need to build a new kernel with support for the card. There is a >chapter in the Handbook about building kernels. The config lines you >need for the TC-800 are: > >options COM_MULTIPORT >device sio4 at isa? port 0x100 tty flags 0xb05 >device sio5 at isa? port 0x108 tty flags 0xb05 >device sio6 at isa? port 0x110 tty flags 0xb05 >device sio7 at isa? port 0x118 tty flags 0xb05 >device sio8 at isa? port 0x120 tty flags 0xb05 >device sio9 at isa? port 0x128 tty flags 0xb05 >device sio10 at isa? port 0x130 tty flags 0xb05 >device sio11 at isa? port 0x138 tty flags 0xb05 irq 12 vector siointr You should set the 0x10000 flag (only in current yet) as well, to avoid the case where a pending IRQ from a higher port prevents sio's test#3 from passing on a lower port. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Power and ignorance is a disgusting cocktail. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 10 04:20:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA26713 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 04:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA26672 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 04:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr3-18.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA14227 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:19:36 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.6/8.6.9) id NAA06352; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:19:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:19:30 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Michael Smith Cc: Kedar , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q:PCI bridges-extenders supported References: <2.2.32.19970709183302.00a743ec@gw1> <199707100034.KAA15352@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 In-Reply-To: <199707100034.KAA15352@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au>; from Michael Smith on Thu, Jul 10, 1997 at 10:04:16AM +0930 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Jul 10, Michael Smith wrote: > Kedar stands accused of saying: > > At 07:58 PM 7/9/97 +0200, you wrote: > > >There are some Natoma based PCI motherboards that > > >come with 5 slots (from ASUS, for example). But > > > > There is a Supermicro board with *8* PCI slots- The P6DNH. 440FX. > > Some VX chipset boards have 5 PCI slots too. > > This is an I20 board. Do not expect it to work with FreeBSD just yet. Are there any publicly available specs ??? I2O docs are hard to get access to ... Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 10 06:00:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA00854 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA00804; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 05:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.5/8.6.9) id WAA05329; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:44:01 +1000 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:44:01 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199707101244.WAA05329@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: danny@panda.hilink.com.au, phk@dk.tfs.com Subject: Re: Configuring Byterunner TC-800 high speed 8-port serial card Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, sdudley@byterunner.com Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>options COM_MULTIPORT >>device sio4 at isa? port 0x100 tty flags 0xb05 >>... >>device sio11 at isa? port 0x138 tty flags 0xb05 irq 12 vector siointr > >You should set the 0x10000 flag (only in current yet) as well, to >avoid the case where a pending IRQ from a higher port prevents >sio's test#3 from passing on a lower port. No, you should keep the 0x10000 flag clear, so that a pending IRQ from a higher port causes sio's test#3 to fail on a lower port, since such IRQs "can't happen" (unless the multiport board is misconfigured or is actually a multi-infernal modem :-). Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 10 06:09:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA01159 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com ([140.145.230.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA01137; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.dk.tfs.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00546; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:06:38 +0200 (CEST) To: Bruce Evans cc: danny@panda.hilink.com.au, phk@dk.tfs.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, sdudley@byterunner.com From: Poul-Henning Kamp Subject: Re: Configuring Byterunner TC-800 high speed 8-port serial card In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:44:01 +1000." <199707101244.WAA05329@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:06:38 +0200 Message-ID: <544.868539998@critter.dk.tfs.com> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199707101244.WAA05329@godzilla.zeta.org.au>, Bruce Evans writes: >>>options COM_MULTIPORT >>>device sio4 at isa? port 0x100 tty flags 0xb05 >>>... >>>device sio11 at isa? port 0x138 tty flags 0xb05 irq 12 vector siointr >> >>You should set the 0x10000 flag (only in current yet) as well, to >>avoid the case where a pending IRQ from a higher port prevents >>sio's test#3 from passing on a lower port. > >No, you should keep the 0x10000 flag clear, so that a pending IRQ from >a higher port causes sio's test#3 to fail on a lower port, since such >IRQs "can't happen" (unless the multiport board is misconfigured or is >actually a multi-infernal modem :-). This is not true Bruce, they can happen if the sio driver doesnt disable interrupt sources before you reboot your kernel. The 0x10000 flag is necessary if you want your sio ports after crashes. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Power and ignorance is a disgusting cocktail. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 10 06:21:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA01803 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA01761; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id WAA19304; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:50:26 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707101320.WAA19304@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Q:PCI bridges-extenders supported In-Reply-To: <19970710131930.58180@mi.uni-koeln.de> from Stefan Esser at "Jul 10, 97 01:19:30 pm" To: se@freebsd.org (Stefan Esser) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:50:26 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, kedar@asacomputers.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stefan Esser stands accused of saying: > > > > This is an I20 board. Do not expect it to work with FreeBSD just yet. > > Are there any publicly available specs ??? > I2O docs are hard to get access to ... Hah. I don't have the money to _dream_ about an I2O board, let alone pursue doing anything with one. About all I can tell you is that the I2O architecture involves an i960 running VxWorks. Now, if they started putting the rotten things on cards, rather than building those enormous flimsy fibreglass boards, we'd be looking at a really serious computer 8) > Regards, STefan -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 10 06:30:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA02106 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com (root@pcnet1.pcnet.com [204.213.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA02098; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rigel (ts3-pt12.pcnet.com) by pcnet1.pcnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07243; Thu, 10 Jul 97 09:22:55 EDT Message-Id: <33C4E3CC.41C67EA6@iworks.InterWorks.org> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:29:48 -0400 From: "Daniel M. Eischen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: se@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, kedar@asacomputers.co Subject: I2O (Was Re: Q:PCI bridges-extenders supported) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > This is an I20 board. Do not expect it to work with FreeBSD > > just yet. > > Are there any publicly available specs ??? > I2O docs are hard to get access to ... I2O is not publicly available. Just a few days ago, I exchanged some email with Michael LoBue, the executive director of the I2O SIG. I was trying to find out what the terms and conditions of I2O spec were; I didn't want the spec itself. I was told that I had to sign an NDA and pay $250.00 to find out. This price included the I2O spec along with the terms and conditions. The $250.00 let you have the spec for 3 months, after which you are expected to pay the remainder of 1 years I2O SIG membership. If you don't become a member, you have cannot use any information in the I2O spec and have to return or destroy any confidential information in the spec. I didn't get the spec. For more info see http://www.i2osig.org Dan Eischen deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 10 07:11:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA03670 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 07:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA03648; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 07:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.5/8.6.9) id AAA08067; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:05:25 +1000 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:05:25 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199707101405.AAA08067@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, phk@dk.tfs.com Subject: Re: Configuring Byterunner TC-800 high speed 8-port serial card Cc: danny@panda.hilink.com.au, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, sdudley@byterunner.com Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>No, you should keep the 0x10000 flag clear, so that a pending IRQ from >>a higher port causes sio's test#3 to fail on a lower port, since such >>IRQs "can't happen" (unless the multiport board is misconfigured or is >>actually a multi-infernal modem :-). > >This is not true Bruce, they can happen if the sio driver doesnt disable >interrupt sources before you reboot your kernel. The 0x10000 flag >is necessary if you want your sio ports after crashes. This can't happen (except in misconfigured and buggy cases) since the sio drivers disconnects the interrupts for all configured ports in its first probe. Of course, this can fail if not all ports are correctly configured or if there is a non-sio device using an sio irq, but then ignoring the problem won't help (except in the latter case when the non-sio device gets completely disconnected later). Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 10 07:21:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA04129 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 07:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com ([140.145.230.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA04107; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 07:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.dk.tfs.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00804; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:20:04 +0200 (CEST) To: Bruce Evans cc: phk@dk.tfs.com, danny@panda.hilink.com.au, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, sdudley@byterunner.com From: Poul-Henning Kamp Subject: Re: Configuring Byterunner TC-800 high speed 8-port serial card In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:05:25 +1000." <199707101405.AAA08067@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:20:04 +0200 Message-ID: <802.868544404@critter.dk.tfs.com> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199707101405.AAA08067@godzilla.zeta.org.au>, Bruce Evans writes: >>>No, you should keep the 0x10000 flag clear, so that a pending IRQ from >>>a higher port causes sio's test#3 to fail on a lower port, since such >>>IRQs "can't happen" (unless the multiport board is misconfigured or is >>>actually a multi-infernal modem :-). >> >>This is not true Bruce, they can happen if the sio driver doesnt disable >>interrupt sources before you reboot your kernel. The 0x10000 flag >>is necessary if you want your sio ports after crashes. > >This can't happen (except in misconfigured and buggy cases) since the >sio drivers disconnects the interrupts for all configured ports in its >first probe. Of course, this can fail if not all ports are correctly >configured or if there is a non-sio device using an sio irq, but then >ignoring the problem won't help (except in the latter case when the >non-sio device gets completely disconnected later). Speaking from experience: a correctly configured board fails the test#3 after a crash. Don't ask me why, but it is correctly configured, and I have verified the circuitry on the card myself, to make sure that it was possible to share the IRQs with this card. Any debugging information you may want can be produced rather easily... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Power and ignorance is a disgusting cocktail. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 10 09:04:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA08862 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08832; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.5/8.6.9) id BAA11291; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 01:55:39 +1000 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 01:55:39 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199707101555.BAA11291@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, phk@dk.tfs.com Subject: Re: Configuring Byterunner TC-800 high speed 8-port serial card Cc: danny@panda.hilink.com.au, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, sdudley@byterunner.com Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Speaking from experience: a correctly configured board fails the test#3 >after a crash. Don't ask me why, but it is correctly configured, and >I have verified the circuitry on the card myself, to make sure that it >was possible to share the IRQs with this card. Does OUT2 (aka MCR_IENABLE) disconnect the UARTs individually, as is required for the non-AST multiport case? For the non-multiport case, I have seen some cases where test #3 fails but then succeeds when retried from ddb after a few seconds. This may have something to do with the fifo not being initialized early. I've only seen it after crashes. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 10 09:08:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA09059 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nacamar.de (mail.nacamar.de [194.162.162.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09013 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newsfeed (newsfeed.nacamar.de [194.162.162.196]) by mail.nacamar.de (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA20415 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:07:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970710180657.00c0fd50@mail.nacamar.de> X-Sender: petzi@mail.nacamar.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:06:57 +0200 To: hardware@freebsd.org From: Michael Beckmann Subject: MO drive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have a 1.3/2.6 GB MO drive: ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 10 on pci0:17 ahc0: aic7870 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle (ahc0:6:0): "SONY SMO-F541+3 1.13" type 7 removable SCSI 2 od0(ahc0:6:0): Optical 1243MB (1273011 1024 byte sectors) Somehow I haven't yet figured out how to make a filesystem on the drive. I can access the raw device, but my attempts to make a filesystem have failed. Who knows the trick ? Thanks, Michael From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 10 09:53:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA11585 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw1.asacomputers.com (root@gw1.asacomputers.com [204.69.220.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11578 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gw1.asacomputers.com id GAA01941; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970710165015.011788b0@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:50:15 -0700 To: Michael Smith From: Kedar Subject: Re: Q:PCI bridges-extenders supported Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:04 AM 7/10/97 +0930, you wrote: >This is an I20 board. Do not expect it to work with FreeBSD just yet. Oh, really? hmm.. I sent one of these boards to a gentleman who was interested in installing either Linux or FreeBSD on it. Did not hear any complaits. I will check up with him. Apologies for any confusion caused. Did not mean to mislead. Maybe the Intel PR440FX is a good idea then? 4 PCI slots, with the NIC and Adaptec SCSI controller on-board. On the I2O issue, I could probably work something out with Supermicro. Let me see if they are willing to share any information. G'day, Kedar. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 10 10:34:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13652 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13646 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id LAA13000; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:00:20 -0700 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id NAA29808; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:33:25 -0400 Received: from compound.east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA23582; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:33:04 -0400 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.east.sun.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA01188; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:27:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:27:57 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Message-Id: <199707101727.MAA01188@compound.east.sun.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: kedar@asacomputers.com Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q:PCI bridges-extenders supported References: <2.2.32.19970710165015.011788b0@gw1> X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Kedar on Thu, 10 July: : On the I2O issue, I could probably work something out with : Supermicro. Let me see if they are willing to share any information. : If they do, they are breaking the law. Methinks an I2O boycott is in order, at least until someone brings an anti-trust suit. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 10 10:48:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA14515 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw1.asacomputers.com (root@gw1.asacomputers.com [204.69.220.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14510 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gw1.asacomputers.com id HAA02729; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 07:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970710174452.01178650@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:44:52 -0700 To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM From: Kedar Subject: Re: Q:PCI bridges-extenders supported Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:27 PM 7/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >Quoth Kedar on Thu, 10 July: >: On the I2O issue, I could probably work something out with >: Supermicro. Let me see if they are willing to share any information. >If they do, they are breaking the law. That thought came to mind as soon as I sent the mail. Too late. It was supposed to mean "as far as compatibility issues went". It would be ridiculous to ask them for information of the restricted kind. I'd better stop adding to this thread unless I have something concrete. The mouth is not big enough for both feet!! :( Kedar. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 10 12:29:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18438 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cruz.isle.net (root@cruz.isle.net [204.140.227.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18432 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from john (router1port05.isle.net [204.140.227.228]) by cruz.isle.net (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id MAA11410 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:53:01 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970710122500.0085c730@mail.isle.net> X-Sender: johns@mail.isle.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:25:00 -0700 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: John Scharles Subject: disk Hard Error Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On powering up our FreeBSD 2.1.6 this morning we were greeted with a "hard error reading block such&such" message. This is a Dell machine with a built in IDE controller. After looking through the handbook and archives I haven't found much information about trying to recover files off a dying drive (it has the /usr directory, which of course has some files that are nowhere else!). Is there way I can look at or force a mount? Also I saw some reference to a full drive causing this type of error...could this be the cause of a hard error? Thanks John From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 10 14:41:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00395 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lugh.kerris.com (lugh.kerris.com [205.150.35.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA00386 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mkerr@localhost) by lugh.kerris.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA04245; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:42:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:42:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Kerr To: John Scharles cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: disk Hard Error In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970710122500.0085c730@mail.isle.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, John Scharles wrote: > On powering up our FreeBSD 2.1.6 this morning we were greeted with a "hard > error reading block such&such" message. This is a Dell machine with a built > in IDE controller. > > After looking through the handbook and archives I haven't found much > information about trying to recover files off a dying drive (it has the > /usr directory, which of course has some files that are nowhere else!). Is > there way I can look at or force a mount? > > Also I saw some reference to a full drive causing this type of > error...could this be the cause of a hard error? I had similar problems when I first got my PC, though it wasn't a Dell. It would seem to me as if your hard drive is giving up the biscuit. My HD died a horrible and painful death, thankfully all under warranty. Ditto for my floppy drive at about the same time. Mike. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mike Kerr | http://www.net/~mkerr Kerr Information Systems | http://www.kerris.com/ mkerr@kerris.com | Web Guy, etc. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 10 18:33:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA08867 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08858 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA21952; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:03:26 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707110133.LAA21952@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: MO drive In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970710180657.00c0fd50@mail.nacamar.de> from Michael Beckmann at "Jul 10, 97 06:06:57 pm" To: beckmann@nacamar.de (Michael Beckmann) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:03:25 +0930 (CST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Beckmann stands accused of saying: > Hi, > > I have a 1.3/2.6 GB MO drive: > > ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 10 on pci0:17 > ahc0: aic7870 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs > ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle > (ahc0:6:0): "SONY SMO-F541+3 1.13" type 7 removable SCSI 2 > od0(ahc0:6:0): Optical 1243MB (1273011 1024 byte sectors) > > Somehow I haven't yet figured out how to make a filesystem on the drive. I > can access the raw device, but my attempts to make a filesystem have > failed. Who knows the trick ? # disklabel -rwB od0 auto # newfs /dev/rod0c -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jul 10 18:36:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA09050 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09045 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA21967; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:06:16 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707110136.LAA21967@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Q:PCI bridges-extenders supported In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970710165015.011788b0@gw1> from Kedar at "Jul 10, 97 09:50:15 am" To: kedar@asacomputers.com (Kedar) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:06:15 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Kedar stands accused of saying: > At 10:04 AM 7/10/97 +0930, you wrote: > >This is an I20 board. Do not expect it to work with FreeBSD just yet. > > Oh, really? hmm.. I sent one of these boards to a gentleman who > was interested in installing either Linux or FreeBSD on it. Did not hear > any complaits. I will check up with him. Apologies for any confusion > caused. Did not mean to mislead. Whoa, hold it right there. All the information I had to hand (very little) indicated that I2O boards were _not_ fundamentally `PC-architecture` compatible. If you have actually had one out and running, then I will happily swap my tune. > Maybe the Intel PR440FX is a good idea then? 4 PCI slots, with the > NIC and Adaptec SCSI controller on-board. That'd be a lovely board 8) > On the I2O issue, I could probably work something out with > Supermicro. Let me see if they are willing to share any information. Please; first step in the game is always having the information. > Kedar. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 11 01:25:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA25785 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 01:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA25780 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 01:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id RAA23381; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:55:11 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707110825.RAA23381@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: disk Hard Error In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970710122500.0085c730@mail.isle.net> from John Scharles at "Jul 10, 97 12:25:00 pm" To: johns@cruz.isle.net (John Scharles) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:55:11 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Scharles stands accused of saying: > On powering up our FreeBSD 2.1.6 this morning we were greeted with a "hard > error reading block such&such" message. This is a Dell machine with a built > in IDE controller. Start looking for your warranty documentation; it is likely that that disk is still covered. > After looking through the handbook and archives I haven't found much > information about trying to recover files off a dying drive (it has the > /usr directory, which of course has some files that are nowhere else!). Is > there way I can look at or force a mount? Recovering data from a toasted disk is a black art; it's something you learn the hard way by desperation, not something that can be documented or proceduralised. You have just discovered why people make Regular Backups. With any luck, you won't have to learn the same lesson twice. > Also I saw some reference to a full drive causing this type of > error...could this be the cause of a hard error? No. > John -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 11 02:07:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA27863 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 02:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nacamar.de (mail.nacamar.de [194.162.162.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA27834 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 02:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newsfeed (newsfeed.nacamar.de [194.162.162.196]) by mail.nacamar.de (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09584; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:07:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970711110645.00ceb720@mail.nacamar.de> X-Sender: petzi@mail.nacamar.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:06:45 +0200 To: Michael Smith From: Michael Beckmann Subject: Re: MO drive Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199707110133.LAA21952@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> References: <3.0.1.32.19970710180657.00c0fd50@mail.nacamar.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:03 11.07.97 +0930, you wrote: ># disklabel -rwB od0 auto ># newfs /dev/rod0c test: {46} disklabel -rwB od0 auto test: {47} newfs /dev/rod0c newfs: ioctl (GDINFO): Invalid argument newfs: /dev/rod0c: can't read disk label; disk type must be specified :-( BTW, it's a 2.2-970703-RELENG. Cheers, Michael From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 11 02:21:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA28279 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 02:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA28274 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 02:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA23597; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 18:50:23 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707110920.SAA23597@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: MO drive In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970711110645.00ceb720@mail.nacamar.de> from Michael Beckmann at "Jul 11, 97 11:06:45 am" To: beckmann@nacamar.de (Michael Beckmann) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 18:50:22 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Beckmann stands accused of saying: > At 11:03 11.07.97 +0930, you wrote: > ># disklabel -rwB od0 auto > ># newfs /dev/rod0c > > test: {46} disklabel -rwB od0 auto > test: {47} newfs /dev/rod0c > newfs: ioctl (GDINFO): Invalid argument > newfs: /dev/rod0c: can't read disk label; disk type must be specified Are you doing this on the console? Are there any (other?) error messages that you're not showing? It looks as though there may be some problem with 1024-byte sectors; Soren would know about that. (cc'd) I'm using an MO here with 512byte sectors, so I can't think of anything else (other than maybe that your disk is write-protected?). > Michael -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 11 02:26:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA28427 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 02:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA28422; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 02:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA23634; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 18:56:44 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707110926.SAA23634@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: MO drive In-Reply-To: <199707110920.SAA23597@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from Michael Smith at "Jul 11, 97 06:50:22 pm" To: sos@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 18:56:44 +0930 (CST) Cc: beckmann@nacamar.de, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith stands accused of saying: > Michael Beckmann stands accused of saying: > > At 11:03 11.07.97 +0930, you wrote: > > ># disklabel -rwB od0 auto > > ># newfs /dev/rod0c > > > > test: {46} disklabel -rwB od0 auto > > test: {47} newfs /dev/rod0c > > newfs: ioctl (GDINFO): Invalid argument > > newfs: /dev/rod0c: can't read disk label; disk type must be specified > > Are you doing this on the console? Are there any (other?) error messages > that you're not showing? > > It looks as though there may be some problem with 1024-byte sectors; > Soren would know about that. (cc'd) I'm using an MO here with 512byte > sectors, so I can't think of anything else (other than maybe that your > disk is write-protected?). I lied. I'll cc: Soren on this one though 8) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 11 06:11:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA05956 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 06:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA05951 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 06:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA05476; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:10:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:10:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: "Daniel M. Eischen" cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: I2O only available under NDA? In-Reply-To: <33C4E3CC.41C67EA6@iworks.InterWorks.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think a reasonable response to this NDA nonsense, if true, is to have as many people as possible indicate to the I2O sig that their position IS nonsense. Just remind them of what happened to MCA when IBM tried the same deal. That's what I'm doing. thanks ron Ron Minnich |Java: an operating-system-independent, rminnich@sarnoff.com |architecture-independent programming language (609)-734-3120 |for Windows/95 and Windows/NT on the Pentium ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 11 07:07:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA08058 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 07:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nacamar.de (mail.nacamar.de [194.162.162.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA08050 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newsfeed (newsfeed.nacamar.de [194.162.162.196]) by mail.nacamar.de (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA16137; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 16:06:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970711160623.010fcae0@mail.nacamar.de> X-Sender: petzi@mail.nacamar.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 16:06:23 +0200 To: Michael Smith From: Michael Beckmann Subject: Re: MO drive Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199707110920.SAA23597@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> References: <3.0.1.32.19970711110645.00ceb720@mail.nacamar.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 18:50 11.07.97 +0930, you wrote: >> test: {46} disklabel -rwB od0 auto >> test: {47} newfs /dev/rod0c >> newfs: ioctl (GDINFO): Invalid argument >> newfs: /dev/rod0c: can't read disk label; disk type must be specified > >Are you doing this on the console? Are there any (other?) error messages >that you're not showing? I am doing that via telnet. There are no other messages from the above command; but when I try to enter /stand/sysinstall I get a message od0: oops not queued on the console and sysinstall exits silently. >It looks as though there may be some problem with 1024-byte sectors; >Soren would know about that. (cc'd) I'm using an MO here with 512byte >sectors, so I can't think of anything else (other than maybe that your >disk is write-protected?). I am not aware of 2.6 GB media with 512 byte blocks. Maybe I need some extra kernel options to support 1024 byte/sec ? Michael From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 11 08:09:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA14258 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14245 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id AAA24459; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 00:38:32 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707111508.AAA24459@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: I2O only available under NDA? In-Reply-To: from "Ron G. Minnich" at "Jul 11, 97 09:10:49 am" To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 00:38:31 +0930 (CST) Cc: deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ron G. Minnich stands accused of saying: > I think a reasonable response to this NDA nonsense, if true, is to have > as many people as possible indicate to the I2O sig that their position IS > nonsense. Just remind them of what happened to MCA when IBM tried the > same deal. That's what I'm doing. It is true. Their line is "it's our idea, and so we think that not only should we control who knows about it, we should control _what_they_do_with_it_." To be honest, I think that what can be seen of their architecture _sucks_. It offers little or no parallelism, and for all that the '960 is reasonably quick and VxWorks a fairly nice RTOS, it simply doesn't cut the mustard. Then again, you're probably in more of a position to know about this stuff than I am 8) > Ron Minnich |Java: an operating-system-independent, > rminnich@sarnoff.com |architecture-independent programming language > (609)-734-3120 |for Windows/95 and Windows/NT on the Pentium *ouch* -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 11 08:37:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA15748 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA15690 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA08679 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA06169; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:34:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:34:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NDA? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The word from I2O. I have sent back a reply. We'll see what happens. If you do talk to these folks make arguments based on hard, commercial reality, not 'it's the right thing'. I'm basing my arguments on the commercial reality of our DARPA contracts here which require development under GPL. ron p.s. he got my name wrong :) Ron Minnich |Java: an operating-system-independent, rminnich@sarnoff.com |architecture-independent programming language (609)-734-3120 |for Windows/95 and Windows/NT on the Pentium ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 07:02:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Lobue To: rminnich@terra.sarnoff.com Cc: elaine@zocalo.net Subject: Re: NDA? Ran, The I2O Specification is available to non-members and non-licensees under nda and for a fee of $250 -- that's correct. The specification is not available for use outside of a license which is included with membership, because in order to implement to the spec. one would very likely infringe pre-existing patents for i/o or intelligent i/o. Obtaining a license through membership is probably a less expensive development/product path because all members participate in a royalty free cross licensing agreement for each others patents in this development space. The $250 fee is in place as a qualifier to attract those firms with a somewhat serious development interest. I hope this answers your question? Regards, Michael LoBue Executive Director LoBue@i2osig.org From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 11 08:49:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA16303 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iworks.InterWorks.org (deischen@iworks.interworks.org [128.255.18.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16298 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from deischen@localhost) by iworks.InterWorks.org (8.7.5/) id KAA18157; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:53:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199707111553.KAA18157@iworks.InterWorks.org> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:53:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Daniel M. Eischen" To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM Subject: Re: I2O only available under NDA? Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I think a reasonable response to this NDA nonsense, if true, is to have > as many people as possible indicate to the I2O sig that their position IS > nonsense. Just remind them of what happened to MCA when IBM tried the > same deal. That's what I'm doing. Yup, I've already made some comments to them. Since the boys from Redmond are involved, I doubt anything will change. Dan Eischen deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 11 09:12:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17546 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (critter.phk.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17517; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.dk.tfs.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07444; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:26:26 +0200 (CEST) To: Bruce Evans cc: phk@dk.tfs.com, danny@panda.hilink.com.au, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, sdudley@byterunner.com From: Poul-Henning Kamp Subject: Re: Configuring Byterunner TC-800 high speed 8-port serial card In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Jul 1997 01:55:39 +1000." <199707101555.BAA11291@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:26:26 +0200 Message-ID: <7442.868634786@critter.dk.tfs.com> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199707101555.BAA11291@godzilla.zeta.org.au>, Bruce Evans writes: >>Speaking from experience: a correctly configured board fails the test#3 >>after a crash. Don't ask me why, but it is correctly configured, and >>I have verified the circuitry on the card myself, to make sure that it >>was possible to share the IRQs with this card. > >Does OUT2 (aka MCR_IENABLE) disconnect the UARTs individually, as is >required for the non-AST multiport case? The card has 4 separate chips, genuine NS16550AN even, and at the irq output of each chip is an open-collector driver, the output of these are run to a forest of jumpers, where they in this case all end up on the same line, which goes to a 3-state driver and on via another jumper forest to IRQ-10 on the ISA bus. There is in other words nothing common for the chips, except the address decode & the above mentioned IRQ routing circuit. >For the non-multiport case, I have seen some cases where test #3 fails >but then succeeds when retried from ddb after a few seconds. This may >have something to do with the fifo not being initialized early. I've >only seen it after crashes. I've only seen this problem after crashes too. I have tried declaring the master on the first or the last port, and if I remember right, one of the settings is slightly less prone to fail, but right now I can't remember which. I can check this fact if it seems important to you... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Power and ignorance is a disgusting cocktail. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 11 09:21:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA18152 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tenor.cgt.com (root@tenor.CGT.COM [207.44.182.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18143 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.134.245.46] (ppp046-stk0.sirius.com [205.134.245.46]) by tenor.cgt.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA03500 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707111620.JAA03500@tenor.cgt.com> Subject: Re: I2O only available under NDA? Date: Fri, 11 Jul 97 09:24:30 -0700 x-sender: parag@mail.cgt.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Parag Patel cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 7/11/1997 9:08 AM, Michael Smith (msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au) said: >To be honest, I think that what can be seen of their architecture >_sucks_. It offers little or no parallelism, and for all that the >'960 is reasonably quick and VxWorks a fairly nice RTOS, it simply >doesn't cut the mustard. Then again, you're probably in more of a >position to know about this stuff than I am 8) I20 is also available via a StrongARM-based processor from Digital, so at least you're not locked into Intel for hardware. The downside is Digital's solution is 2-chips, whereas the i960RP is one. A PCI bus is built-in to the i960 part but not in the ARM. As I understand, VxWorks is just one of the real-time OS folks who's providing I20 drivers in their OS, but it doesn't have anything to do with what's actually running on the i960/ARM, which could be running anything. They communicate using a protocol that's in that proprietary spec. I could be wrong - I didn't look too closely after learning about their NDA and fees. (I can wait 'till I have a paying customer for the stuff.) The UDI spec is at and while the idea is good, I think it's way too complicated and much too large. I looked at the various APIs and there are far more of them than in most OSes. Still, the specs are open and freely available. It's only an API spec and doesn't mandate any particular hardware like I20. (I'm not currently working on or with either, nor am I affiliated with either, much less anyone even using either. Batteries not included.) -- Parag Patel From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 11 09:30:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA18749 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18742 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA12859 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA06394; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:27:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:27:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: Michael Smith cc: deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I2O only available under NDA? In-Reply-To: <199707111508.AAA24459@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 12 Jul 1997, Michael Smith wrote: > To be honest, I think that what can be seen of their architecture > _sucks_. It offers little or no parallelism, and for all that the > '960 is reasonably quick and VxWorks a fairly nice RTOS, it simply I think you can make a pretty strong case that I2O is there to cover for the performance failings of Windows/NT. ron From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 11 10:09:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA21327 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA21292; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr2-43.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA05089 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Fri, 11 Jul 1997 19:09:33 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.6/8.6.9) id TAA13786; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 19:09:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 19:09:27 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: "Ron G. Minnich" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Stefan Esser Subject: Re: NDA? (fwd) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 In-Reply-To: ; from Ron G. Minnich on Fri, Jul 11, 1997 at 11:34:26AM -0400 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Jul 11, "Ron G. Minnich" wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Michael Lobue > i/o or intelligent i/o. Obtaining a license through membership is > probably a less expensive development/product path because all > members participate in a royalty free cross licensing agreement for > each others patents in this development space. Ahhh, I see, that's what they are after :) Whatever clever things you develop for an I2O product is "cross-licenced" to other members of the I2O group. And it is hard to develop some product with a similar goal as that of I2O, since you always face the risk of violating some (as of yet unknown to you) patent of any one of the I2O members. And as seen before, no matter how good your product, everybody will ask for that "xxx compliant" label, just because it never hurts to buy a product that carries more of them. Hmmm, who might be able to take advantage of hundreds of "inventions" available to them under that cross- licence, I wonder ... ;-) (No, I don't really wonder. It is some big players, who are given access to inventions of smaller, more flexible members, I guess.) So much for conspiracy theories ... :) Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 11 10:10:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA21394 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (ppp0.lariat.org@[129.72.251.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21380 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anonymous.lariat.org ([129.72.251.10] (may be forged)) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA16538; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:08:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970711110813.0087e280@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:08:13 -0600 To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: I2O only available under NDA? Cc: deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <882564D1.005D4E96.00@IWNS2.infoworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:27 PM 7/11/97 -0400, rminnich@Sarnoff.COM wrote: >I think you can make a pretty strong case that I2O is there to cover for >the performance failings of Windows/NT. >ron Whether or not it is, it'll never be a contender unless it's open. The representative's lame excuse regarding patents is bogus, by the way. The patents apply only to the hardware, not software. --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 11 18:48:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA13925 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 18:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA13920 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 18:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA27296; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:18:13 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707120148.LAA27296@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: I2O only available under NDA? In-Reply-To: from "Ron G. Minnich" at "Jul 11, 97 12:27:38 pm" To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:18:13 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ron G. Minnich stands accused of saying: > > On Sat, 12 Jul 1997, Michael Smith wrote: > > To be honest, I think that what can be seen of their architecture > > _sucks_. It offers little or no parallelism, and for all that the > > '960 is reasonably quick and VxWorks a fairly nice RTOS, it simply > > I think you can make a pretty strong case that I2O is there to cover for > the performance failings of Windows/NT. One has to ask "how?". It strikes me that the extra software layers and the implicit serialisation involved in using a coprocessor will only _worsen_ the overall performance of the system. What I _don't_ see in their architecture are things like extra buffering DMA controllers, a decent PIC, etc., all of which would help drag the PC architecture up out of the 70's. > ron -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 11 18:58:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14248 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 18:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14243 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 18:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA27327; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:28:11 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707120158.LAA27327@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: I2O only available under NDA? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970711110813.0087e280@mail.lariat.org> from Brett Glass at "Jul 11, 97 11:08:13 am" To: brett@lariat.org (Brett Glass) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:28:10 +0930 (CST) Cc: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brett Glass stands accused of saying: > At 12:27 PM 7/11/97 -0400, rminnich@Sarnoff.COM wrote: > > >I think you can make a pretty strong case that I2O is there to cover for > >the performance failings of Windows/NT. > >ron > > Whether or not it is, it'll never be a contender unless it's open. Not so sure, given the nature of its closedness. This one is "join the cabal and reap its rewards", not "pay us money for every box you move". Commercial orgs aren't going to gripe about this sort of deal - it could almost be aimed _directly_ at the free software community and small developers. > The representative's lame excuse regarding patents is bogus, by the way. > The patents apply only to the hardware, not software. Are you sure about this? It wouldn't surprise me if there are software patents involved as well, but I have no details. > --Brett Glass -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 11 20:36:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA16946 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 20:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (ppp0.lariat.org@[129.72.251.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16938 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 20:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anonymous ([129.72.251.10] (may be forged)) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA24077; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 21:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970711213611.00898750@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org Disposition-Notification-To: X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 21:36:11 -0600 To: Michael Smith From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: I2O only available under NDA? Cc: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199707120158.LAA27327@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> References: <3.0.1.32.19970711110813.0087e280@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:28 AM 7/12/97 +0930, Michael Smith wrote: >> Whether or not it is, it'll never be a contender unless it's open. > >Not so sure, given the nature of its closedness. This one is "join >the cabal and reap its rewards", Oh, that's different. In other words, it's like EISA, which was obviously a huge success. ;-) --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jul 11 21:35:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA19084 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 21:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA19079 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 21:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA10483; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 22:34:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199707120434.WAA10483@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Michael Smith cc: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich), deischen@iworks.InterWorks.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I2O only available under NDA? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:18:13 +0930." <199707120148.LAA27296@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 22:34:28 -0600 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > One has to ask "how?". It strikes me that the extra software layers > and the implicit serialisation involved in using a coprocessor will > only _worsen_ the overall performance of the system. What I _don't_ > see in their architecture are things like extra buffering DMA > controllers, a decent PIC, etc., all of which would help drag the PC ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I thought I saw somewhere that the i960 uses the APIC. As someone who has been programming the APIC extensively, I wouldn't call it 'great' (or even 'good' based on my problems this week...), it is definatley better than the 8259 PIC nonsense... Having said this, I would like to be on record as NOT supporting the I20 NDA pucky. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jul 12 02:22:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA27050 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 02:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leaf.lumiere.net (j@leaf.lumiere.net [204.188.120.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA27045 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 02:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (j@localhost) by leaf.lumiere.net (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA04053 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 02:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 02:22:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jesse To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Abit IT5H Overclocking Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Heya, I'm wondering if anyone has any experience overclocking the Abit IT5H motherboard bus speed from the default 66MHz to 83MHz. Stable? Any adjustments required? I intend to use a AMD K6 PR200MHz CPU. I'd appreciate any replies from those having experience with this type of setup, or a similar one. Thanks in advance. --- Jesse http://www.lumiere.net/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jul 12 09:31:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA10762 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 09:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA10757 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 09:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707121632.MAA04457@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Received: forwarded by SMTP 1.6.0. Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:31:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Michael Smith cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I2O only available under NDA? In-Reply-To: <199707120158.LAA27327@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 12 Jul 1997, Michael Smith wrote: > > The representative's lame excuse regarding patents is bogus, by the way. > > The patents apply only to the hardware, not software. > > Are you sure about this? It wouldn't surprise me if there are > software patents involved as well, but I have no details. You can't patent software, only copyright it. You can patent ideas and inventions. Jamie Bowden System Administrator, iTRiBE.net From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jul 12 10:57:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13090 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 10:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.tbe.net (qmailr@lightning.tbe.net [208.208.122.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13079 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 10:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18677 invoked by uid 1010); 12 Jul 1997 17:51:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:51:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: NCR SCSI controllers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Sorry about the cross-post, but I thought the question is appropriate to both lists... We were looking at the NCR 53C810 and -815 PCI SCSI controllers and were just wondering if anybody has experience/problems with them. Also if anyone has happened to compare them to Adaptec controllers, I would be glad to hear how they turned out. TIA! -Gary Margiotta TBE Internet Services http://www.tbe.net From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jul 12 13:52:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA19488 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po2.glue.umd.edu (root@po2.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19465; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from periodic.eng.umd.edu (crb@periodic.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.127]) by po2.glue.umd.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24024; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (crb@localhost) by periodic.eng.umd.edu (8.8.6/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA02395; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:52:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: periodic.eng.umd.edu: crb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:52:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher R. Bowman" X-Sender: crb@periodic.eng.umd.edu To: "Gary D. Margiotta" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NCR SCSI controllers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 12 Jul 1997, Gary D. Margiotta wrote: > Hello, > > Sorry about the cross-post, but I thought the question is appropriate to > both lists... > > We were looking at the NCR 53C810 and -815 PCI SCSI controllers and were > just wondering if anybody has experience/problems with them. Also if > anyone has happened to compare them to Adaptec controllers, I would be > glad to hear how they turned out. TIA! > > -Gary Margiotta > TBE Internet Services > http://www.tbe.net I can't comment on 53C810 and -815 PCI SCSI controllers but my Tekram DC-390F (53c875) has served me very well, I have had no problems with it and the Asus SC-875 is now a little cheaper at $110 or so. I do have to admit, however, that I am not getting ultra-wide speeds out of my Tekram even though I have an ultra-wide capable IBM UltraStar 2es but I haven't really looked into it yet to see if this is just a configuration problem or what. --------- Christopher R. Bowman crb@Glue.umd.edu My home page From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jul 12 14:26:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA20473 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca32-05.ix.netcom.com [199.35.209.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20439; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.6/8.6.9) id OAA09547; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707122126.OAA09547@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: crb@Glue.umd.edu CC: gary@tbe.net, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (crb@Glue.umd.edu) Subject: Re: NCR SCSI controllers From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * From: crb@Glue.umd.edu Gee, I know someone with a very similar mail address! ;) * > Sorry about the cross-post, but I thought the question is appropriate to * > both lists... Unless you are asking something about performance under a huge number of disks and heavy load or something, I don't see the relevance with -isp. And for -hardware...we have -scsi just for these kind of discussions (;), the next person to follow please chop -isp and -hardware out of the CC: list. * > We were looking at the NCR 53C810 and -815 PCI SCSI controllers and were * > just wondering if anybody has experience/problems with them. Also if * > anyone has happened to compare them to Adaptec controllers, I would be * > glad to hear how they turned out. TIA! I've had 810- and 825-based controllers, they have worked very well over the years. However, the Adaptec is very stable now too. The main difference is probably the price ($70 for 810, $120 for 875, $200+ for 2940*) and configurability. I'm not sure if the current NCR's BIOSes let you change the Adapter's ID's, sync/wide negotiations per device, etc. -- mine doesn't, in fact mine doesn't even have a boot setup menu. Also, I don't know how the NCR controllers perform under heavy load as I never had more than two disks on them -- the Adaptec generally works fine with 14 disks in 10MHz mode or 8 disks in 20MHz mode (cable length problem). * I do have to admit, however, that I am not getting ultra-wide speeds out * of my Tekram even though I have an ultra-wide capable IBM UltraStar 2es * but I haven't really looked into it yet to see if this is just a configuration * problem or what. Our NCR driver doesn't support it yet. Stefan Esser (se) is working on it. Based on past experience, my guess is that it will start working soon because se is working on it. :) Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jul 12 15:40:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23216 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 15:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from george.lbl.gov (george.lbl.gov [128.3.196.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23180; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 15:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (jin@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.6.10/8.6.5) id PAA21522; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 15:40:21 -0700 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 15:40:21 -0700 From: "Jin Guojun[ITG]" Message-Id: <199707122240.PAA21522@george.lbl.gov> To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu, crb@Glue.umd.edu Subject: Re: NCR SCSI controllers Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, gary@tbe.net Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Also, I don't know how the NCR controllers perform under heavy load as >I never had more than two disks on them -- the Adaptec generally works >fine with 14 disks in 10MHz mode or 8 disks in 20MHz mode (cable >length problem). I have no problem with NCR at all. Specially under FreeBSD, It does not take CPU time. Two disks or 14 disks is not the issue for SCSI controllers. If you can saturate the SCSI bus with two disks (new tech can), then, putting 100 disks (assume ID is allowed), would not make any difference at all. See Hardware performance guide for Pentium family (new) under http://www-itg.lbl.gov/ISS/hardware (two years old and it will be updated soon :-) > * I do have to admit, however, that I am not getting ultra-wide speeds out > * of my Tekram even though I have an ultra-wide capable IBM UltraStar 2es > * but I haven't really looked into it yet to see if this is just a configuratio >n > * problem or what. > >Our NCR driver doesn't support it yet. Stefan Esser (se) is working >on it. Based on past experience, my guess is that it will start >working soon because se is working on it. :) Does some one have tested any ultra-wide SCSI controllers to have at least more than 20 MB throughput over a single controller with number of ultra-wide disks? I posted such question a few month ago, and did not hear any respond. I was wondering no one had it worked at that time. -Jin From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jul 12 18:45:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA29059 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 18:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA29054 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 18:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA00572; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 11:15:21 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707130145.LAA00572@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: I2O only available under NDA? In-Reply-To: <199707121632.MAA04457@gatekeeper.itribe.net> from Jamie Bowden at "Jul 12, 97 12:31:57 pm" To: jamie@itribe.net (Jamie Bowden) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 11:15:21 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jamie Bowden stands accused of saying: > On Sat, 12 Jul 1997, Michael Smith wrote: > > > > The representative's lame excuse regarding patents is bogus, by the way. > > > The patents apply only to the hardware, not software. > > > > Are you sure about this? It wouldn't surprise me if there are > > software patents involved as well, but I have no details. > > You can't patent software, only copyright it. You can patent ideas and > inventions. Uhh, you mean that the LPF has been completely successful and software patents are a thing of the past? This is news to me. > Jamie Bowden -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jul 12 18:48:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA29213 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 18:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA29208; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 18:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA00583; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 11:17:47 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707130147.LAA00583@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: NCR SCSI controllers In-Reply-To: from "Gary D. Margiotta" at "Jul 12, 97 01:51:56 pm" To: gary@tbe.net (Gary D. Margiotta) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 11:17:46 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary D. Margiotta stands accused of saying: > > We were looking at the NCR 53C810 and -815 PCI SCSI controllers and were > just wondering if anybody has experience/problems with them. Also if > anyone has happened to compare them to Adaptec controllers, I would be > glad to hear how they turned out. TIA! They're excellent controllers, and compare very well to the Adaptec units. The 7880-based adaptecs (2940UW) are perhaps a little better, but it's hard to quantify this. Tha 7860-based Adaptec controllers (2940U, 2940AU) are a _lot_ worse. > -Gary Margiotta -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jul 12 21:26:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA04584 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sby.centrin.net.id (mta@sby.centrin.net.id [202.146.252.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04579 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707130426.VAA04579@hub.freebsd.org> Received: from pentium-166 ([202.146.252.254]) by sby.centrin.net.id (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAD24415 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 11:33:18 +0700 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Muhammad Isnaini" To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 11:29:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Use Netware Emulator support RPL.NLM ? Reply-to: internet@cybergal.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there program for Netware emulator that support Like RPL.NLM _______________________________________ Muhammad Isnaini. Personal Office _______________________________________ Medical Management, Networking, Database. Windows NT, Novell Netware, OS2.