From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Mar 18 08:36:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA04763 for hubs-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:36:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04738 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:36:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.240]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA29417 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 06:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by Campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (RBI-Z-5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA11144; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:20:26 +0100 (MET) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA11205; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:28:36 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:28:36 +0100 (MET) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <199703181428.PAA11205@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: de-bsd-hubs@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de, freebsd-hubs@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: mirror/perl Sender: owner-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Still trying to figure out why mirror always gets everything when mirroring the whole shebang /pub/FreeBSD. perl is perl5.003 I ran mirror -n -d -d -d -d -pall (where all is /pub/FreeBSD) and tail of my mirror.out looks this: dest FreeBSD-CVS/src/gnu/lib/libmalloc/Attic/valloc.c,v (): 70/01/01-01:00:00 0 0 get file FreeBSD-CVS/src/gnu/lib/libmalloc/Attic/valloc.c,v as FreeBSD-CVS/src/gnu/lib/libmalloc/Attic/valloc.c,v (2274) Compare src FreeBSD-CVS/src/gnu/lib/libmalloc/Attic/ralloc.c,v (46199): 97/02/17-23:00:00 14441 f dest FreeBSD-CVS/src/gnu/lib/libmalloc/Attic/ralloc.c,v (): 70/01/01-01:00:00 0 0 get file FreeBSD-CVS/src/gnu/lib/libmalloc/Attic/ralloc.c,v as FreeBSD-CVS/src/gnu/lib/libmalloc/Attic/ralloc.c,v (14441) Compare src FreeBSD-CVS/src/gnu/lib/libmalloc/Attic/mtrace.c,v (46200): 97/02/17-23:00:00 5027 f dest FreeBSD-CVS/src/gnu/lib/libmalloc/Attic/mtrace.c,v (): 70/01/01-01:00:00 0 0 get file FreeBSD-CVS/src/gnu/lib/libmalloc/Attic/mtrace.c,v as FreeBSD-CVS/src/gnu/lib/libmalloc/Attic/mtrace.c,v (5027) prodding remote ftpd Compare src FreeBSD-CVS/src/gnu/lib/libmalloc/Attic/mtrace.awk,v (46201): 97/02/17-23:00:00 1798 f One can see easily that the dest timestamp is 1-Jan-1970 (the unix big bang) I believe this is the piece of code in mirror which is responsible for the line aboved: if( $debug > 2 ){ &msg( " dest $dest_path ($desti): " . &t2str( $dest_time[ $desti ] ) ); &msg( " $dest_size[ $desti ] $dest_type[ $desti ]" ); &msg( " (->$compress_suffix)" ) if $compress; &msg( " (split)" ) if $split; &msg( "\n" ); } and I suspect: sub t2str { local( @t ); if( $use_timelocal ){ @t = localtime( $_[0] ); } else { @t = gmtime( $_[0] ); } local($sec,$min,$hour,$mday,$mon,$year,$wday,$yday,$isdst) = @t; return sprintf( "%02d/%02d/%02d-%02d:%02d:%02d", $year, $mon + 1, $mday, $hour, $him, $sec ); } Any perl guru out there who could give me a hint what tiny test I could run to locate the problem? -- Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hubs Wed Mar 19 11:49:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17704 for hubs-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from jumble.netcraft.co.uk (jumble.netcraft.co.uk [194.72.238.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17690 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:49:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jez@localhost) by jumble.netcraft.co.uk (8.8.4/8.7.3) id TAA08324; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:46:23 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:46:23 GMT From: Jeremy Prior Message-Id: <199703191946.TAA08324@jumble.netcraft.co.uk> To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: Re: mirror/perl Cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org References: <199703181428.PAA11205@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de# X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #1 Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In freebsd-hubs you write: # I ran mirror -n -d -d -d -d -pall (where all is /pub/FreeBSD) # and tail of my mirror.out looks this: Sorry, I don't run mirror here, so I can't tell you what the problem is, but looking at the code you include, I can tell you *where* the problem is! :-) # dest FreeBSD-CVS/src/gnu/lib/libmalloc/Attic/valloc.c,v (): 70/01/01-01:00:00 0 0 ^^^ Giveaway! # One can see easily that the dest timestamp is 1-Jan-1970 (the unix big bang) The reason for this is below: # if( $debug > 2 ){ # &msg( " dest $dest_path ($desti): " . # &t2str( $dest_time[ $desti ] ) ); t2str is being called with the $desti element of the list $dest_time. As can be seen from the output, $desti == "" == 0, so t2str is being called with the zero'th element of $dest_time. I'd surmise that this is also zero, because: # sub t2str # { # local( @t ); # if( $use_timelocal ){ # @t = localtime( $_[0] ); # } # else { # @t = gmtime( $_[0] ); # } one of localtime/gmtime is being called with the first argument of t2str. If this element is zero, then the unix big-bang datetime is returned: % perl -e 'print scalar localtime 0, "\n"' Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970 # Any perl guru out there who could give me a hint what tiny test I could # run to locate the problem? All you need to do now is find out why $desti is null, and you'll have your answer! :-) # -- # Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (If you get really stuck, I could fetch and install mirror, and have a look at it ...) jez -- Jeremy Prior Netcraft, Rockfield House, Granville Road, Bath, BA1 9BQ, England Tel: +44-1225-447500 Fax: +44-1225-448600 From owner-freebsd-hubs Wed Mar 19 15:28:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA00941 for hubs-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:28:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00930 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:28:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA08523 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:28:02 -0800 (PST) To: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: If you grabbed a 2.1.7.1-RELEASE/floppies/boot.flp image Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:28:02 -0800 Message-ID: <8519.858814082@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk which didn't have this MD5 checksum: MD5 (boot.flp) = b92d63c5f5090267ac7fb3a1edb34ada Please grab it again. There was a short window during which a bogus boot.flp image was there (if you boot it you'll know since it never goes into the visual userconfig menu :-). Thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hubs Wed Mar 19 18:29:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA16523 for hubs-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:29:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16518 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA05532 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:29:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703200229.SAA05532@austin.polstra.com> To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: CVSup 14.1.4 BETA version is now available Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:29:30 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm making available a beta test version of CVSup for those mirrors site maintainers who want it. It addresses a few issues that have cropped up lately, some related to robustness. Of particular interest, it solves the client hangs that have happened recently when the server host has crashed in mid-update. Most of the new functionality has undergone testing for several weeks, and I don't think there are any significant problems with it. The reason this isn't a full-blown release is that I still have a few other features I want to add. I recommend that mirror maintainers upgrade to this version, and modify their periodic update scripts by adding either the "-1" option (if updating hourly) or "-r 2" (if updating less often) to the cvsup invocation. This will prevent your update jobs from hanging forever if the master site goes down in mid-update (as has been happening all too often lately). The distribution is available from: ftp://freefall.freebsd.org/pub/CVSup/BETA/ ftp://ftp.polstra.com/pub/FreeBSD/CVSup/BETA/ ftp://ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de/pub/FreeBSD/CVSup/BETA/ (soon) in the usual files: MD5 (cvsup-14.1.4.tar.gz) = 148614c86673ac155f2aa823e177c1d2 MD5 (cvsup-bin-14.1.4.tar.gz) = 70dae6673b0ff942bc425b7276b999fc MD5 (cvsupd-bin-14.1.4.tar.gz) = 7a603cc46589f7186915bd19082a5f15 Sorry, there is no port or package for this version. Here are the changes since 14.1.1: Added an inactivity timeout to the client, enabled only in non-GUI mode. If 15 minutes pass without any network I/O, the update is terminated with a transient error (so that it will be retried). This is useful when the client is run from cron. Added a new "-r maxRetries" command line option for the client, to cause it to give up after the specified number of retries. This is a generalization of the old "-1" option, which is equivalent to "-r 0". Added checking to ensure that the client-side "checkouts*" file is sorted properly. CVSup always keeps this file in sorted order. But if it gets corrupted such that it is no longer sorted, mass deletions can result. This actually happened on a system that had faulty RAM. A 1-bit error changed a "/" to something else. Added checksumming and fixups for all kinds of file updates. Formerly, this was done only for updates that modified (edited) existing files. Now, even files that are sent verbatim are checked. Fixed a bug in searching for the revision in effect on a certain date. Example: Searching on the trunk. The head is 2.2. The selected revision is 1.7. Because the first components were different, the code erroneously considered the file to be dead on the given date. The fix treats the trunk as a special case. The bug affected just a few files, and only when checkout mode was used on the main branch with "date=yy.mm.dd.hh.mm.ss". Added support for the "execute" keyword, for executing server-specified commands on the client when certain files are updated. Added new client options "-e" and "-E", to enable and disable the "execute" feature. Fixed the server's logging so that it now works to specify "-l /dev/stdout" on the command line. The necessary "libmd" sources are now included in the distribution, so it is no longer necessary to get them separately and install them. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Mar 21 14:36:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17804 for hubs-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:36:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA17794 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:36:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15331(6)>; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:35:42 PST Received: by crevenia.parc.xerox.com id <177486>; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:35:32 -0800 From: Bill Fenner To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Mirrors? Message-Id: <97Mar21.143532pst.177486@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:35:26 PST Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Apologies if this isn't the right list; I am trying to browse freefall's /etc/aliases with 50% packet loss so jumped on the first list that sounded appropriate. Since I was experiencing 50% packet loss to wcarchive, I decided that it might be worthwhile exploring my options. Naturally, I tried ftp2.freebsd.org next, but its /pub/FreeBSD/2.2-RELEASE/floppies directory is empty. Ok, no problem. Try ftp3.freebsd.org, and its /pub/FreeBSD is a broken link; "cd /pub/FreeBSD" says "no such file or directory". ftp4.freebsd.org at least has the floppies, and I haven't gotten to try to install yet because of ethernet problems so I don't know if the rest of ftp4 is ok. ftp5.freebsd.org and ftp6.freebsd.org have boot.flp and fixit.flp but not the extra boot-pao.flp . I dunno if that means anything. I wrote a program to check the presence of ports distfiles; should we use it on the FTP mirrors too? Bill From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Mar 21 16:01:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA24403 for hubs-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:01:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24392 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:01:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA10712; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:02:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703220002.QAA10712@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Bill Fenner cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mirrors? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:35:26 PST." <97Mar21.143532pst.177486@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:02:49 -0800 Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Apologies if this isn't the right list; I am trying to browse >freefall's /etc/aliases with 50% packet loss so jumped on the >first list that sounded appropriate. It looks like the congestion was at the MCI->BBN_PaloAlto hop. Just FYI, CRL is making some changes (adding some DS3 circuits, upgrading their PB-NAP connection to OC3, and peering with BBN directly) that will improve this situation dramatically. This should happen in the next 2-4 weeks. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Mar 21 18:06:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA02640 for hubs-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:06:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA02610; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:06:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15873(7)>; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:05:28 PST Received: by crevenia.parc.xerox.com id <177486>; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:05:20 -0800 From: Bill Fenner To: bugs@freebsd.org, freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sysinstall won't install XF86 Message-Id: <97Mar21.180520pst.177486@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:05:10 PST Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Turns out that the reason that sysinstall wouldn't install XF86 for me was that ftp4.freebsd.org has a broken link for /pub/FreeBSD/2.2-RELEASE/XF8632. sysinstall simply presented me with a blank blue screen for a few seconds and then went on, without giving me any kind of error message (and even though I turned on debugging in the options menu, I don't know where to look for it; it's not on VTY2). So, sysinstall needs to learn how to report errors, and ftp4.freebsd.org needs to get a fixed XF86. Bill From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Mar 21 19:01:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04962 for hubs-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mal9000.mal.com ([198.82.200.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04954; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:01:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (ceharris@localhost) by mal9000.mal.com (8.8.2/8.6.4) id WAA11045; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 22:01:51 -0500 From: Carl Harris Message-Id: <199703220301.WAA11045@mal9000.mal.com> Subject: Re: sysinstall won't install XF86 To: fenner@parc.xerox.com (Bill Fenner) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 22:01:50 -0500 (EST) Cc: bugs@freebsd.org, freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <97Mar21.180520pst.177486@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> from "Bill Fenner" at Mar 21, 97 06:05:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Turns out that the reason that sysinstall wouldn't install XF86 for me > was that ftp4.freebsd.org has a broken link for > /pub/FreeBSD/2.2-RELEASE/XF8632. That's because ftp.freebsd.org has a broken link for /pub/FreeBSD/2.2-RELEASE/XF8632. I try to run a clean mirror, but its only as good as the source! ;-) -- Carl Harris Communication Systems Lead Engineer CNS Research and Planning, Virginia Tech ceharris@vt.edu From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Mar 21 23:02:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA13475 for hubs-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:02:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA13469; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:02:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA24873; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:02:38 -0800 (PST) To: Carl Harris cc: fenner@parc.xerox.com (Bill Fenner), bugs@freebsd.org, freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sysinstall won't install XF86 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 21 Mar 1997 22:01:50 EST." <199703220301.WAA11045@mal9000.mal.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:02:38 -0800 Message-ID: <24870.859014158@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > That's because ftp.freebsd.org has a broken link for > /pub/FreeBSD/2.2-RELEASE/XF8632. I try to run a clean mirror, but > its only as good as the source! ;-) I hope to see this fixed this weekend! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Mar 21 23:17:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA13862 for hubs-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA13835; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:17:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15485(4)>; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:16:33 PST Received: by crevenia.parc.xerox.com id <177486>; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:16:22 -0800 From: Bill Fenner To: ceharris@mal.com, fenner@parc.xerox.com Subject: Re: sysinstall won't install XF86 Cc: bugs@freebsd.org, freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-Id: <97Mar21.231622pst.177486@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:16:09 PST Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ah, I didn't even think of checking ftp.freebsd.org because of my networking problems. Sorry for the false accusation, then =) Bill From owner-freebsd-hubs Sat Mar 22 04:35:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA21428 for hubs-outgoing; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:35:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA21423 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:35:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA11071; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 12:34:36 GMT Message-ID: <19970322123436.26933@pavilion.net> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 12:34:36 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mirrors? References: <97Mar21.143532pst.177486@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.64 In-Reply-To: <97Mar21.143532pst.177486@crevenia.parc.xerox.com>; from Bill Fenner on Fri, Mar 21, 1997 at 02:35:26PM -0700 Sender: owner-hubs@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, Mar 21, 1997 at 02:35:26PM -0700, Bill Fenner wrote: > > ftp5.freebsd.org and ftp6.freebsd.org have boot.flp and fixit.flp but > not the extra boot-pao.flp . I dunno if that means anything. > > I wrote a program to check the presence of ports distfiles; should > we use it on the FTP mirrors too? > > Bill Hi Bill, Try some of the foreign sites. I know that we're up to date here in the UK. (ftp[1-3].uk.freebsd.org) Joe -- Josef Karthauser Technical Manager Email: joe@pavilion.net Pavilion Internet plc. [Tel: +44 1273 607072 Fax: +44 1273 607073]