From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 12 09:04:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA05471 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 09:04:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.netlanders.net (norad.netlanders.net [194.97.222.167]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA05465 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 09:04:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.netlanders.net via sendmail with stdio id for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 18:04:15 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built DST-Oct-16) Message-Id: From: pd@netlanders.net (Peter Dieth) Subject: OS for stable news server To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 18:04:15 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Which OS version do you recommend for a stable news server running inn1.5.1: 2.1.6(.1)-RELEASE or 2.2-BETA Hardware: - Pentium 133 - 128 mb RAM - aha2940 - 4 scsi disks (~8 GB) I'll try to write a summary if I get different recommendations. Regards, Peter -- ,,, (o o) The daemon is free ! ----------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------------- Email: Peter.Dieth@Netlanders.Net URL: http://www.netlanders.net Dipl.-Inform.(FH) Peter Dieth, Braikinbachweg 25, 72766 Reutlingen Voice: +49.7121.169070 Fax: +49.7121.169076 D2: +49.172.5317834 Freelancer: Unix, Internetworking & Security Solutions From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 12 12:41:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA20017 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 12:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA20012 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 12:41:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from hyper (alam@hyper.shadow.net [204.177.71.251]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA25318 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:46:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:46:37 -0500 (EST) From: alam X-Sender: alam@hyper To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: non parity ram Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Are any of you ISP s using non parity ram in your servers ? Have any of you using parity ram reaped the benefits of parity ? Art From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 12 14:51:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA29105 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:51:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.infinetconsulting.com (earth.infinetconsulting.com [207.23.43.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA29100; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lenc@localhost) by earth.infinetconsulting.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA16087; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:05:16 -0800 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:05:15 -0800 (PST) From: Leonard Chua To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: reliable modems? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone out there have or know of a list of reliable modems? By reliable, I mean modems which have the least compatibility problems, especially when negotiating with other vendors' modems. My understanding (which is probably wrong, so feel free to correct me, thanks) is that even tough a vendor claims to support standard (e.g V42bis), it may not always work with another vendor's 'same' standard (i.e. V42bis again). Probably one (or both) of them is only supporting a subset of the standard. On a side note, M$N claims to have modems that are _guaranteed_ to work with any modem in the market. Applause or Flame'em? Len. From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 12 15:01:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA29778 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (labs.usn.blaze.net.au [203.17.53.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA29766 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:00:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from davidn@localhost) by labs.usn.blaze.net.au (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA00588; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:40:40 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 02:40:40 +0000 From: davidn@unique.usn.blaze.net.au (David Nugent) To: rif@ns.kconline.com (Jim Riffle) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MS Exchange client References: <9701110453.AA28334@wr.com.au> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.56 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: ; from Jim Riffle on Jan 11, 1997 00:34:24 -0500 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jim Riffle writes: > > rif> So, the problem lies in having my box accept the mail for their domain and > > rif> hold it in the queue until it is deliverable. > > > > See Sendmail book and DNS book(For detail, see http://www.ora.com) > > Thank you for the suggestion, I just may have to break down and actually > get that book sometime. I bet that would have made setting up UUCP a lot > eaiser when I got that one going. I'll break it down and make it easy for you. It isn't all that complex. It is a good idea to get the sendmail guide regardless. > The weird thing which I just don't understand on how this should work is > if I give a MX record for say foo.com so that mail is handled by > 207.51.167.3, and then on 207.51.167.3, put in a CW line so that it will > accept mail for the domain, how in the world is it ever going to get to > the client who dials up saying they are foo.com. You don't want the cw line. This is only for aliases of YOUR host, which is not what you want to do. You need to requeue all their mail for their smtp daemon and ignore the DNS. > to have 207.51.167.3 handle its mail, so when sendmail processes its que, > it would seem that it would try to send the mail right back to itself. I recall reading about a new control line in sendmail which you can tell it to deliver "direct" if you're the final MX target for a domain/host and it isn't a local name. I don't recall what it is, but that is probably the easiest method. I use something slightly different. > Is this a simple issue of having 2 MX records, having their machine having > a higher priority? No. Then you're no longer the relay, but the fallback MX. The method I'll explain involves simply adding explicit routing for the host on your system. Basically, you want sendmail to route specially for that domain, and not use the MX. As I said earlier, apparently 8.8.x has a new keyword which can make this semi-automatic (add the keyword and you're done), but the following is what I've been using for years. Go back to the .mc (m4 macro version of the cf file) and add the line: FEATURE(mailertable, 'hash -o /etc/mailertable')dnl Generate the .cf and installed it. Create the file /etc/mailertable and add: .your.clients.domain smtp:[host.your.clients.domain] Run: makemap hash /etc/mailertable which will generate the .db version in /etc/mailertable.db. Restart sendmail. QED. /etc/mailertable is just a local routing configuration table that tells sendmail to map a given host or domain (domain entries must start with a '.') to a given mailer. Using the square brackets around the host to queue for overrides use of the MX, otherwise you can create an MX loop. The above will queue all mail to *.your.clients.domain to host.your.clients.domain. Ah - found it. I've never tried it, but the variable that does this automatically in sendmail 8.8.x is called 'TryNullMXList'. Quoting cf/README from the sendmail sources: confTRY_NULL_MX_LIST TryNullMXList [False] If we are the best MX for a host and haven't made other arrangements, try connecting to the host directly; normally this would be a config error. Regards, David Nugent - Unique Computing Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia Voice +61-3-9791-9547 Data/BBS +61-3-9792-3507 3:632/348@fidonet davidn@freebsd.org davidn@blaze.net.au http://www.blaze.net.au/~davidn/ From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 12 15:32:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA01194 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:32:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA01186 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id KAA29210; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 10:42:31 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 10:42:29 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: David Nugent cc: Jim Riffle , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MS Exchange client In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, David Nugent wrote: > > to have 207.51.167.3 handle its mail, so when sendmail processes its que, > > it would seem that it would try to send the mail right back to itself. > > I recall reading about a new control line in sendmail which > you can tell it to deliver "direct" if you're the final MX > target for a domain/host and it isn't a local name. I don't > recall what it is, but that is probably the easiest method. I > use something slightly different. I use this a lot. Works very well. In sendmail 8.8.x it is O TryNullMXList In sendmail 8.6,8.7 it is OwTrue Cheers, Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 12 15:39:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA01581 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:39:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from silver.sms.fi (root@silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA01557; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:39:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from PeteOmni (root@silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA17188; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 01:38:41 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 01:38:41 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199701122338.BAA17188@silver.sms.fi> X-Sender: pete@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Leonard Chua , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Petri Helenius Subject: Re: reliable modems? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 15:05 12.1.1997 -0800, Leonard Chua wrote: >Does anyone out there have or know of a list of reliable modems? >By reliable, I mean modems which have the least compatibility problems, >especially when negotiating with other vendors' modems. My understanding >(which is probably wrong, so feel free to correct me, thanks) is that >even tough a vendor claims to support standard (e.g V42bis), it may not >always work with another vendor's 'same' standard (i.e. V42bis again). >Probably one (or both) of them is only supporting a subset of the standard. > My experience for almost a decade tells me that US Robotics still manufactures one of the best modems in the world. Don't fall on the cheap Sportster series though if reliability and compability are one of your highest selection criteria, get the Courier stuff instead. (they are upgradeable also by flashrom upgrade) Pete From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 12 16:15:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA03536 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 16:15:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA03507; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 16:15:12 -0800 (PST) From: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com (ccgate.infoworld.com [192.216.49.101]) by lserver.infoworld.com (8.8.4/8.8.4/GNAC-GW-2.1) with SMTP id QAA10402; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 16:18:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA853114238; Sun, 12 Jan 97 17:08:00 PST Date: Sun, 12 Jan 97 17:08:00 PST Message-Id: <9700128531.AA853114238@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: Leonard Chua , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: reliable modems? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I use Multi-Tech. Not well-known in the consumer market but truly excellent. They use Lucent chipsets plus very well-designed firmware. You'll probably want the MultiModem ZDXb. --Brett From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 12 17:30:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA09250 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 17:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from gamma.pair.com (gamma.pair.com [207.86.128.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA09229; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 17:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [207.104.16.18] (ppp-207-104-16-18.snrf01.pacbell.net [207.104.16.18]) by gamma.pair.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA17891; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 20:30:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701130130.UAA17891@gamma.pair.com> X-Envelope-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? Date: Sun, 12 Jan 97 17:29:28 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Eric Harley To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Does anyone out there have or know of a list of reliable modems? >By reliable, I mean modems which have the least compatibility problems, >especially when negotiating with other vendors' modems. My understanding >(which is probably wrong, so feel free to correct me, thanks) is that >even tough a vendor claims to support standard (e.g V42bis), it may not >always work with another vendor's 'same' standard (i.e. V42bis again). >Probably one (or both) of them is only supporting a subset of the standard. > The Zylex modems have always worked fine for me and are the easiest to update the ROM if necassary. Plus, they are supported by Innosoft's PMDF mail2fax gateway. Eric Eric Harley, VP Information Systems & CIO Powerware International http://www.powerwareintl.com/ Email: eric.harley@powerwareintl.com Web: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/ PGP: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/pgp.txt From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 12 21:43:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA20523 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 21:43:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA20518; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 21:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA23847; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 22:43:29 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 22:43:29 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199701130543.WAA23847@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Leonard Chua Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone out there have or know of a list of reliable modems? USR Courier V.Everything are held in high-regard by most folks I've talked with, though they are a bit spendy... Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 13 03:37:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA07340 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 03:37:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mel.aone.net.au (mail.mel.aone.net.au [203.12.176.157]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id DAA07335 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 03:37:20 -0800 (PST) From: hugh@s055.aone.net.au Received: from mail01.syd.aone.net.au (d155-1.cpe.Sydney.aone.net.au [203.12.186.155]) by mail.mel.aone.net.au (8.6.13/8.6.11) with SMTP id WAA22097 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 22:37:10 +1100 Message-Id: <199701131137.WAA22097@mail.mel.aone.net.au> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 22:17:59 -1000 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Suggestions for software on my hardware. X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.22 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi All, I'm looking at setting up a small ISP business using FreeBSD. Please remember when replying that in Australia we are a little behind the US. This means that I cannot spend all the money on the hardware :-( At the moment I have an Ascend P50 (some will no doubt say over the top); a P133 with 32Mb RAM and 2Gb SCSI; a 486DX33 with only 8Mb :-((( and a 2Gb SCSI. I am planning on using the 486 for DNS & mail and limited FTP. The Pentium I was going to use for proxy and web server and very limited news. Since at the very begining I only have a 64K link will I be hugely limited by my hardware? What versions of what software do people recommend I run? I will not be providing dialin access for a couple of months while I set things up, but what sort of hardware software do people recommend for dealing with side of things? Also while I am asking for the earth, how about the accounting side of things, monitoring peoples' time and disk usage etc. I am very new to this so please answer accordingly (I will not be insulted by too much detail). I am thinking of using Squid, INN and Apache. Are there any hints or traps to avoid? Thanks, Hugh. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 13 06:33:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA14474 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 06:33:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from aladdin.rotterdam.luna.net (root@aladdin.rotterdam.luna.net [194.151.24.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA14469 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 06:33:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from intellect_p_120 (15-pstn.rotterdam.luna.net [194.151.26.62]) by aladdin.rotterdam.luna.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA00527 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:33:17 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <32DA47FE.2A17@luna.nl> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:34:38 +0100 From: Jan A Knepper Reply-To: jknepper@luna.nl X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: E-Mail Server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everybody! I am a developer (also for FreeBSD) and so (unfortunately) not an specialist on E-Mail Servers. I however have the following situation: - Applied for a domain name and got the following: * domain name * uucp name of provider * uucp name for my domain * userid & password to connect to the uucp provider - FreeBSD box running 2.2 BETA. - Tornado 28K8 modem on COM3, IRQ 4 (COM1 is disabled) Goal: Setting up an E-Mail server for the company with dial-out capabilities to exchange e-mail with the rest of the world via Internet. After a couple of hours I have been able to setup the system so far that uucico starts and dials-out to the provider, connects and receives e-mail sent to userid at the domain. When users connect to the FreeBSD box they can pickup and read their e-mail. However, if they want to reply, their mail never gets delivered to the Internet! They are able to send mail to each other. I guess that I am using the wrong, or and old mail program. As far as I know it is sendmail that comes with 2.2 BETA. I already checked the documentation, but: * I can not find what I need. * I have overlooked what I need. * What I need is not there. Since this is actually a new area for this idiot I guess that allmost any of you are able to help me out on this problem. Don't worry, be Kneppie, Jan From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 13 06:49:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA15177 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 06:49:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (root@buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id GAA15172; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 06:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net (mmdf@buffnet1.buffnet.net [205.246.19.10]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA01144; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:49:08 -0500 Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net by buffnet1.buffnet.net id aa11550; 13 Jan 97 9:50 EST Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:50:36 -0500 (EST) From: Steve To: Leonard Chua cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, Leonard Chua wrote: > Does anyone out there have or know of a list of reliable modems? > By reliable, I mean modems which have the least compatibility problems, > especially when negotiating with other vendors' modems. My understanding > (which is probably wrong, so feel free to correct me, thanks) is that > even tough a vendor claims to support standard (e.g V42bis), it may not > always work with another vendor's 'same' standard (i.e. V42bis again). > Probably one (or both) of them is only supporting a subset of the standard. > > On a side note, M$N claims to have modems that are _guaranteed_ to work > with any modem in the market. Applause or Flame'em? > Zooms negotiate fine and are cheap - but lock up. USR Couriers answer reliably and connect realiably - but the modem pools are junk (they flake out - Ive had every one I bought replaces the 1st 6 mths - and the 33.6 flash cause lower rate connections than when it was 28.8) hayes Century wont let you set &d3 or they cause your term servers to cycle - but they are fairly reliable hayes century 2 are ok and pretty reliable. (just my experience and opinion - flames will be files to /dev/null) From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 13 07:14:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA16349 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from tarpon.exis.net (stefan@tarpon.exis.net [205.252.72.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA16344; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:14:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stefan@localhost) by tarpon.exis.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA05904; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 10:38:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 10:38:03 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Molnar To: Leonard Chua cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone out there have or know of a list of reliable modems? > By reliable, I mean modems which have the least compatibility problems, > especially when negotiating with other vendors' modems. My understanding > (which is probably wrong, so feel free to correct me, thanks) is that > even tough a vendor claims to support standard (e.g V42bis), it may not > always work with another vendor's 'same' standard (i.e. V42bis again). > Probably one (or both) of them is only supporting a subset of the standard. > > On a side note, M$N claims to have modems that are _guaranteed_ to work > with any modem in the market. Applause or Flame'em? The ones we use are the USR Curiors (sp). Those are the best, true they cost about 250-300 each, but they do it all. I would stay away from the asends and some of the rack units. But if you think of cost of 30 modems per a PM2e and the cost of the wireing and a PM2e it is better to get a PM3. But for a good analog bank, USR curiors are the way to go. Stefan -------------------------------------------- Stefan Molnar Team Exis.Net stefan@exis.net Member EFF Slightly Silly Team OS/2 east-coast-ambassador@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU "She turned me into a Newt! A Newt? I got better." -Monty Python -------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 13 07:21:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA16725 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:21:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from whale.gu.kiev.ua (whale.gu.net [194.93.190.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA16708; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:21:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from trifork.gu.net (trifork.gu.net [194.93.190.194]) by whale.gu.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA52904; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:21:04 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 20:25:25 +0200 (EET) From: Andrew Stesin To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: <199701130130.UAA17891@gamma.pair.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Does anyone out there have or know of a list of reliable modems? I vote for recent Motorola's V.34 modems (Premier i.e., even Motorola Pro, remember this white plastic box? ;). USR Couriers are also really good. > >By reliable, I mean modems which have the least compatibility problems, > >especially when negotiating with other vendors' modems. My understanding > >(which is probably wrong, so feel free to correct me, thanks) is that > >even tough a vendor claims to support standard (e.g V42bis), it may not > >always work with another vendor's 'same' standard (i.e. V42bis again). No you are probably wrong here, I didn't observe any problems with V.42/V.42bis in last 3 years. Though compatibility problems with different _V.34_ implementations -- oh yeah. There were some... and pretty non-obvious ones. Namely with Rockwell chipsets and "all others", and with USR Sportsters 33.6 and "all others", some time ago. Best regards, Andrew Stesin nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 13 07:31:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA17279 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.lancite.com ([205.236.254.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA17274 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from dmaffei.lancite.com ([205.236.254.238]) by ns.lancite.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12486 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 11:21:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by dmaffei.lancite.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC013B.B5D0F5C0@dmaffei.lancite.com>; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 10:22:42 -0500 Message-ID: <01BC013B.B5D0F5C0@dmaffei.lancite.com> From: Domenico Maffei To: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 10:22:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe Domenico Maffei, eMail: dmaffei@lancite.com Tel: (514) 737-3898 Fax:(514) 737-5707 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 13 09:31:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA23866 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:31:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from Zero-Cool.Hades.Org (nobody@dialup-1-3.net.ic.ac.uk [155.198.8.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA23848; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:31:25 -0800 (PST) From: pumpkin@uk.pi.net Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by Zero-Cool.Hades.Org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA00519; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:29:28 GMT Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:29:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Sender: scot@Zero-Cool.Hades.Org To: Leonard Chua cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, Leonard Chua wrote: > Does anyone out there have or know of a list of reliable modems? > By reliable, I mean modems which have the least compatibility problems, > especially when negotiating with other vendors' modems. My understanding > (which is probably wrong, so feel free to correct me, thanks) is that > even tough a vendor claims to support standard (e.g V42bis), it may not > always work with another vendor's 'same' standard (i.e. V42bis again). > Probably one (or both) of them is only supporting a subset of the standard. > > On a side note, M$N claims to have modems that are _guaranteed_ to work > with any modem in the market. Applause or Flame'em? > > Len. > > How about the US Robotic Courier (deff. not the Sportsters) modems.. they support just about every protocol under the sun and are nicely upgradable. They're nice in a rack-mount config too - 4 modems to a card with the Total Control hubs - although the Windows management software sucks eggs (I use Telnet to manage them rather than that piece of rubbish). Yours - Scot. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Scot Elliott | Please note that any opinions | | MEng Computing IV. | expressed are mine, and not those | | Imperial College, London | of the department or college. | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | e-mail: s.elliott@ic.ac.uk | IRC nick: PlumbrBoy | | pumpkin@uk.pi.net | "You are everything in my fridge" | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 13 11:53:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA01609 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 11:53:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA01591; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 11:53:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id JAA01010; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:53:23 -1000 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:53:23 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199701131953.JAA01010@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: pumpkin@uk.pi.net "Re: reliable modems?" (Jan 13, 5:29pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } How about the US Robotic Courier (deff. not the Sportsters) } modems.. they support just about every protocol under the sun and are } nicely upgradable. They're nice in a rack-mount config too - 4 modems to } a card with the Total Control hubs - although the Windows management } software sucks eggs (I use Telnet to manage them rather than that piece } of rubbish). I'd recommend against rack-mount modems. I've used them in the past and always wished I hadn't once they get older. Once they get outdated single modems can be spread around and used in other places -- rack-mounts become large expensive boat-anchors. :-( Rows of single modems may not look as cool, but they usually make more sense. Richard From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 13 12:14:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA02660 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:14:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA02635; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:14:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA19078; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:28:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:28:24 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Richard Foulk cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: <199701131953.JAA01010@pegasus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk --> you said: > I'd recommend against rack-mount modems. I've used them in the past > and always wished I hadn't once they get older. Once they get outdated > single modems can be spread around and used in other places -- rack-mounts > become large expensive boat-anchors. :-( > > Rows of single modems may not look as cool, but they usually make more > sense. I can't agree with this... Just figuring out a way to *power* 200 modems in a standalone config is a nightmare. I've blown circuit breakers while plugging in new ones. The cube power supplies are very unreliable, and very innefficient. Nowt to mention that you have no way of having a modem busy itself out if it stops working. UUNet, PSI, etal. are all going for the Ascend Max, which when purchased used, is a pretty good deal. Not to mention they perform well. My sportster (which has never given me any problems) is dialed into one now, happily talking with a Rockwell chipset. Why do I say all this? I'm in charge of 200 stand alone modems. Nightmare, nightmare, nightmare. I won't even start on the Xylogics RA4000.... Charles > Richard > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 13 12:21:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA03116 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:21:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from tarpon.exis.net (stefan@tarpon.exis.net [205.252.72.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA03111; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:21:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stefan@localhost) by tarpon.exis.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA07460; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:45:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:45:08 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Molnar To: Steve cc: Leonard Chua , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Zooms negotiate fine and are cheap - but lock up. > > USR Couriers answer reliably and connect realiably - but the modem pools > are junk (they flake out - Ive had every one I bought replaces the 1st 6 > mths - and the 33.6 flash cause lower rate connections than when it was > 28.8) > > hayes Century wont let you set &d3 or they cause your term servers to > cycle - but they are fairly reliable > > hayes century 2 are ok and pretty reliable. I do agree about the actuall total controls. But just getting single externals work just fine. Stefan -------------------------------------------- Stefan Molnar Team Exis.Net stefan@exis.net Member EFF Slightly Silly Team OS/2 east-coast-ambassador@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU "She turned me into a Newt! A Newt? I got better." -Monty Python -------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 13 13:15:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA05712 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:15:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from black.gensys.com (black.gensys.com [204.52.135.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA05706; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:15:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jhupp@localhost) by black.gensys.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA17497; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:15:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:15:19 -0600 From: jhupp@gensys.com (Jeff) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? References: <199701131953.JAA01010@pegasus.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.55 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: ; from spork on Jan 13, 1997 15:28:24 -0500 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk spork writes: : --> you said: : > : > Rows of single modems may not look as cool, but they usually make more : > sense. : : I can't agree with this... Just figuring out a way to *power* 200 : modems in a standalone config is a nightmare. : : Why do I say all this? I'm in charge of 200 stand alone modems. : Nightmare, nightmare, nightmare. I won't even start on the Xylogics : RA4000.... : There is a solution available from texas.net for the USR Courier. A single, rack mount, power supply that will support 32 modems. Racks for the modems themselves (after being removed from the case) are also available. This is a very nice way to package them. If you want to move the modems around (after moving to a MAX or two, all you have to do is put them back in the cases.) I have this solution in use with 270 modems and don't have the problems you describe with modems hanging up. Granted, I am using Livingston portmasters, not the Xylogics RA4000.... -- Jeff Hupp | Coffee is Life. PGP public key available at http://www.gensys.com/jeffskey.asc Running Microsoft? What do you want to fix today? From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 13 18:21:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA26283 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 18:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from jtfb-emh1.army.mil ([199.252.50.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA26269 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 18:20:55 -0800 (PST) From: witthoet@jtfb-emh1.army.mil Received: by jtfb-emh1.army.mil; Mon, 13 Jan 97 20:26:40 EST Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 20:20:46 EST Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: Subject: SETUP OF KERBEROS ON A XYPLEX 1620 COMM SERVER X-Incognito-SN: 1169 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.01a ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am trying to setup a freebsd v2.1.6 P133 Gateway computer as an ISP for us by the US Military. I have installed unix, checked to insure that kerberos is authenticating ok(it is). My default ports on FreeBSD 2.1.6 is: 750 KDC 751 KEBEROSE MASTER 761 PASSWORD How should I set up the ports on the XYPLEX? Thanks in advance! TIMOTHY J. WITTHOEFT LAN MANAGER From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 13 19:15:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA29117 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 19:15:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA29095; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 19:15:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA20489; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 22:03:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701140303.WAA20489@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0alpha 12/3/96 To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: reliable modems? References: <199701131953.JAA01010@pegasus.com> In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:53:23 -1000." <199701131953.JAA01010@pegasus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 22:03:25 -0500 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'd recommend against rack-mount modems. I've used them in the past > and always wished I hadn't once they get older. Once they get outdated > single modems can be spread around and used in other places -- rack-mounts > become large expensive boat-anchors. :-( Certainly not if you take into account the cost of operating whatever it is you built. What you pay for the modems is a one-time event (or depreciated over 5 years depending on your pursuasion), but the on-going operational costs are forever. > Rows of single modems may not look as cool, but they usually make more > sense. In my personal experience, this has never been the case if you're running more than a handfull. And I've been involved in running tens of modems up to (now) in excess of 50,000 - the prospect of all those individual power bricks, RS232 cables, and analog POTS lines is too frightening to contemplate. On the original question, I've had pretty good succeess with standalone ZyXEL modems. It's been a few years since I've really used it at home (actually, before V.34 modems), but their customer service was pretty good. USR modems (especially the sportsters) are cheap. And you get what you pay for, I'm sure. You'd be surprised to find how much grief the Rockwell folks have been through to accomodate the USR sportster flavor of "V.34" louie From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 13 21:11:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA06119 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA06039; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:11:09 -0800 (PST) From: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com (ccgate.infoworld.com [192.216.49.101]) by lserver.infoworld.com (8.8.4/8.8.4/GNAC-GW-2.1) with SMTP id VAA21077; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA853218347; Mon, 13 Jan 97 22:05:33 PST Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 22:05:33 PST Message-Id: <9700138532.AA853218347@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: spork , richard@pegasus.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I can't agree with this... Just figuring out a way to *power* 200 > modems in a standalone config is a nightmare. No, it's not. Multi-Tech has a rack with redundant power supplies. Supra has one too (though without the redundancy). --Brett From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 13 23:53:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA27759 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:53:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.infinetconsulting.com (earth.infinetconsulting.com [207.23.43.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA27742; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:53:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lenc@localhost) by earth.infinetconsulting.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA11340; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 00:08:07 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 00:08:07 -0800 (PST) From: Leonard Chua To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reliable modems? - How about if I do this...? In-Reply-To: <199701130543.WAA23847@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to the many kind folks for their replies. I had about 5 replies in favor of USR Couriers, and a couple for MultiTech, and several others as well. We have decided to spend a bunch of $$$ to do some tests to help us decide. So what I'll do for now is to buy a handfull of various vendors' modems and test them against each other (various permutations and combinations). To speed things along, I'll probably post a bunch of questions in the like of "This XXX modem won't talk to FreeBSD, .....??" Oh, and if anyone would like to suggest what tests I should include, I would certainly appreciate it. Any pitfalls, hazards and common mistakes to watch out for too, thanks. When I'm done, I'll put up the results for everyone to take pot shots at :) (Heck, if all are in reasonable agreement, it might even make it to the FAQ). If anyone has any other modems/vendors to reccommend, I'll try my best to get it too (subject to it being available locally or at least via a North American distribution warehouse/site). Again, many thanks! Regards. Len. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 14 01:21:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA02709 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 01:21:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id BAA02688; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 01:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id XAA04642; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:20:49 -1001 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:20:49 -1001 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199701140921.XAA04642@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Leonard Chua "Re: reliable modems? - How about if I do this...?" (Jan 14, 12:08am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Leonard Chua , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: reliable modems? - How about if I do this...? Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } Thanks to the many kind folks for their replies. } I had about 5 replies in favor of USR Couriers, } and a couple for MultiTech, and several others as well. } } We have decided to spend a bunch of $$$ to do some tests to help us } decide. So what I'll do for now is to buy a handfull of various vendors' } modems and test them against each other (various permutations and } combinations). To speed things along, I'll probably post a bunch of } questions in the like of "This XXX modem won't talk to FreeBSD, .....??" } Oh, and if anyone would like to suggest what tests I should include, I would } certainly appreciate it. Any pitfalls, hazards and common mistakes to } watch out for too, thanks. } This sounds great! It would probably be helpful to find a few of the recent comparisons in the press to get you started. I think Byte did a (somewhat flawed) comparison, and I think there have been others. Richard From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 14 07:58:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA19325 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 07:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from bbs.mpcs.com (root@bbs.mpcs.com [204.215.226.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA19316 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 07:58:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from bbs.mpcs.com (rtaylor@bbs.mpcs.com [204.215.226.2]) by bbs.mpcs.com (8.8.4/8.8.4/MPCS) with SMTP id KAA16518 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:58:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:58:02 -0500 (EST) From: Rob Taylor To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Bandwidth Manager/Limiter Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've seen alot of talk about Bandwidth Managment and found a commercial package (of which I couldn't even get the demo to compile into the kernel). But have found no economical solutions for this. Are there any bandwidth management utilities, tools, patches to the kernel out there that are affordably priced (under $200)? Our application has a low ROI so sinking $500 into such a project just doesn't seem feasable. However we could definatly use an application which allowed us to limit bandwidth to a specific IP address. If anyone is working on such an application or patch please let me know. Thanks! Rob From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 14 08:19:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA20345 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:19:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.trifecta.com (www.trifecta.com [206.245.150.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA20233 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:18:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dev@localhost) by www.trifecta.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA18938; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:18:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:18:18 -0500 (EST) From: Dev Chanchani To: Felipe Rivera Marquez cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCSI bus reset In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You may wish to configure the settings on your tape drive in the SCSI bios. Lower the speed at which the scsi bus will talk to this device (on SCSI2 I have it set it 5 MB/s). Dissable Sync Transfer as Tape Drivers will probably not talk synchronously. --Dev On Thu, 26 Dec 1996, Felipe Rivera Marquez wrote: > > > Hi there. > > Configuration: > > Freebsd 2.1.5, ultrastor ultra 14f irq 11 dma 5 id 7 (uha0), HD scsi > seagate st51080n 1gb id 0 (sd0), DAT unit HP surestoretape 6000 id 1 > (st0), root mounted on an ide hd Connner 540MB, pentium 100mhz, 32mb ram, > 128mb swap partition. > > All the scsi devices are detected without a problem. When a try > to archive any filesystem on the tape with tar i get this error after 10 > seconds more or less. > > uha0: unexpected ha_status 0x96 (target status 0x0) > st0(uha0:1:0): UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,0 > st0(uha0:1:0): Power on, reset, or bus device reset occurred > sd0(uha0:0:0): UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,0 > sd0(uha0:0:0): Power on, reset, or bus device reset occurred > , retries:4 > > and tar stops. > > Any ideas??? > > BTW does anybody have the jumper description for the ultrastor ultra 14f?? > > thanx > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 14 09:13:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA23432 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:13:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA23424 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA01304; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:25:42 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199701141625.RAA01304@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Bandwidth Manager/Limiter To: rtaylor@mpcs.com (Rob Taylor) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:25:41 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Rob Taylor" at Jan 14, 97 10:57:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've seen alot of talk about Bandwidth Managment and found a commercial > package (of which I couldn't even get the demo to compile into the > kernel). But have found no economical solutions for this. Are there > any bandwidth management utilities, tools, patches to the kernel out > there that are affordably priced (under $200)? Our application has a > low ROI so sinking $500 into such a project just doesn't seem feasable. > However we could definatly use an application which allowed us to limit > bandwidth to a specific IP address. If anyone is working on such an > application or patch please let me know. my "dummynet" stuff can be used as a generic bw limiter for TCP (note -- TCP only, not all IP traffic). It is pretty much straightforward to make it work on specific IP addresses. It requires a little bit of more work to move it down the protocol stack to apply to all IP traffic, or to all traffic through a specific interface. If you want to try it, it's available from my page http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/research.html I have been using it on my personal workstation (2.1R) for 4 months now, so I'd say it is pretty stable! Cheers Luigi From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 14 09:23:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA24140 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA24135 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA02310; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:30:20 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970114122356.00a812a0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:23:58 -0500 To: Rob Taylor From: dennis Subject: Re: Bandwidth Manager/Limiter Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:58 AM 1/14/97 -0500, you wrote: >I've seen alot of talk about Bandwidth Managment and found a commercial >package (of which I couldn't even get the demo to compile into the >kernel). But have found no economical solutions for this. Are there >any bandwidth management utilities, tools, patches to the kernel out >there that are affordably priced (under $200)? Our application has a >low ROI so sinking $500 into such a project just doesn't seem feasable. >However we could definatly use an application which allowed us to limit >bandwidth to a specific IP address. If anyone is working on such an >application or patch please let me know. I assume that you are talking about our product...since its $495. Note that it is FREE with the purchase of an ET/5025-16 sync board @$795., which is economical if you care to eliminate your serial router. Our ET/BWMGR is just released (we just put the new demo up a day or 2 ago), but it sounds like its a bit more powerful than what you need or want. Version 2.0 of the bandwidth manager is a complete allocation and limiting manager that can precisely allocate bandwidth for specific services (http, ftp-data, etc), limit by host or network address, keep statistics and also act as a high performance filter/firewall. ET/BWMGR is designed to streamline bottlenecks and create service opportunities (by allowing ISPs to offer limited services with scaled pricing) with standard equipment. If you haven't read about it, full info and online manuals are available at http://www.etinc.com/bwmgr.htm Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 14 09:37:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA25034 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from pit.ktu.lt (root@zveris.pit.ktu.lt [193.219.33.37]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA25023 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ultra (maleon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pit.ktu.lt (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA01951 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:38:14 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <32DBC485.3124@pit.ktu.lt> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:38:13 +0200 From: Prodigy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 14 10:09:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA27148 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA27143 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from msn.globaldialog.com by agora.rdrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0vkDIR-0008x7C; Tue, 14 Jan 97 10:09 PST Received: from br04 (s10a.globaldialog.com [156.46.122.74]) by msn.globaldialog.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA08103 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:00:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:00:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199701141800.MAA08103@msn.globaldialog.com> X-Sender: jwenger@globaldialog.com X-EUDORA-DEMO: NOT FOR RESALE - 90 DAY DEMONSTRATION COPY X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jack Wenger Subject: Router Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi All! I'm looking for a USED router. This is for my at home network, under NT4.0. Any help would be greatly appreciated. |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'-**-'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Jack Wenger, Owner | Bent Reality Graphics | | jwenger@bentreality.com <^> http://www.bentreality.com | | "Think of it as evolution in action"; Louis Wu | | | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'-**-'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 14 11:57:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA03711 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:57:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from smyrno.sol.net (smyrno.sol.net [206.55.64.117]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA03703 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:57:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by smyrno.sol.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA03106; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 13:57:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id NAA02225; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 13:57:14 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199701141957.NAA02225@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: Router To: info@bentreality.com (Jack Wenger) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 13:57:11 CST Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199701141800.MAA08103@msn.globaldialog.com> from "Jack Wenger" at Jan 14, 97 12:00:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi All! > I'm looking for a USED router. This is for my at home network, under NT4.0. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Find a 386/40... load FreeBSD... there ya go. ( :-) ) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 14 13:52:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA10520 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 13:52:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from user1.channel1.com (user1.channel1.com [199.1.13.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA10217 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 13:45:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from node120.channel1.com (node120.channel1.com [204.96.33.220]) by user1.channel1.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA29348 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:41:56 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970114164604.00e1ad90@pop.channel1.com> X-Sender: matthew@pop.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:46:06 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Matthew White Subject: No Atime patch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello All- I've done a few net searches and I can't seem to find the no atime patch. Could someone point me towards it? Thanks, Matthew -- Matthew White Channel 1 Technical Support http://www.channel1.com/support/ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 14 15:58:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA16930 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.telcentral.com ([207.211.70.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA16913 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:58:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from GOLIATH (GOLIATH [207.211.70.14]) by mail.telcentral.com (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id oa000092 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:59:56 -0600 From: "Mark Rollings" To: Subject: Fw: Radius and AS5200 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 18:00:11 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <23595644905980@telcentral.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I know this may be a bit off topic...but I am desparate. Our ISP has many > services running FreeBSD, however we have moved to the Cisco AS5200, and > using Radius for our authentication system. In this move, the comm > servers will interface with Radius on the NT Platform using an Access > Database. ( It makes it easier to enter accounts thru the database) > > I have been all over the radius list, isp list, and thought maybe as a last > ditch effort, someone here might have some ideas. If any of you have > experienced interfacing the AS5200's and Radius on the NT platform, please > contact me. > > Mr Moderator... I apologize for getting off topic, but this is an ISP > list.. and I am desperate that maybe I can pull from someone esles > knowlege. > > > > Mark Rollings > TelCentral Internet > darkstar@telcentral.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 14 16:56:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA21303 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:56:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.uunet.ca (mail2.uunet.ca [142.77.1.15]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA21285 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from why.whine.com ([205.150.249.1]) by mail2.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <123261-4199>; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:56:00 -0500 Received: from why (andrew@why [205.150.249.1]) by why.whine.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA18270; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:55:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:55:49 -0500 From: Andrew Herdman X-Sender: andrew@why To: Mark Rollings cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fw: Radius and AS5200 In-Reply-To: <23595644905980@telcentral.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Mark Rollings wrote: > > > > I know this may be a bit off topic...but I am desparate. Our ISP has > many > > services running FreeBSD, however we have moved to the Cisco AS5200, and > > using Radius for our authentication system. In this move, the comm > > servers will interface with Radius on the NT Platform using an Access > > Database. ( It makes it easier to enter accounts thru the database) > > > > I have been all over the radius list, isp list, and thought maybe as a > last > > ditch effort, someone here might have some ideas. If any of you have > > experienced interfacing the AS5200's and Radius on the NT platform, > please > > contact me. > > > > Mr Moderator... I apologize for getting off topic, but this is an ISP > > list.. and I am desperate that maybe I can pull from someone esles > > knowlege. > > > > > > > > Mark Rollings > > TelCentral Internet > > darkstar@telcentral.com I'd be interested in seeing what you are using for a standard radius profile, and perhaps the AS5200 configuration. I have one myself along with a bunch of max 4002's from ascend. I liked the 5200 but it had a few bugs :( . I'm willing to share what info I have as well. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 14 17:10:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA22407 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:10:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from aladdin.rotterdam.luna.net (root@aladdin.rotterdam.luna.net [194.151.24.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA22394 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:10:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from intellect_p_120 (24-pstn.rotterdam.luna.net [194.151.26.98]) by aladdin.rotterdam.luna.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA27128 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 02:09:36 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <32DC2EC8.109@luna.nl> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 02:11:36 +0100 From: Jan A Knepper Reply-To: jknepper@luna.nl X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Windows E-Mail client(s) on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok, here I am again with an other dumb question. Right now I have a FreeBSD 2.2-BETA running and exchanging e-mail with the UUCP provider. Everthing works fine from FreeBSD itself. However, now I want to put the FreeBSD box into a PC network (also running Novell NetWare) and have several user access FreeBSD for e-mail (via winsock or something like that). I have been poking around. There is an NE2000 compatible adapter in the FreeBSD box and the thing is connected to the network. I however have been unsuccessful so far in making is visible. I am missing some good information about IP addresses, netmask's and such. Also some help from any one that did this before would be good. Thanks for the help so far. Don't worry, be Kneppie! Jan From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 14 17:22:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA23248 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:22:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from jtfb-emh1.army.mil ([199.252.50.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA23233 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:22:35 -0800 (PST) From: witthoet@jtfb-emh1.army.mil Received: by jtfb-emh1.army.mil; Tue, 14 Jan 97 19:26:02 EST Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 19:22:33 EST Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: , Subject: re: Fw: Radius and AS5200 X-Incognito-SN: 1169 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.01a ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I recently tried to obtain radius for windows NT and WWW.LIVINGSTON.COM indicates that it is not available. Were did you get your copy. I wanted to use it on a XYPLEX 1620 but was told that the XYPLEX doesn't support radius very well. As to your questions. Try Livingston or the newsgroups also have RADIUS groups to. Sorry I could be more help. Tim ------------- Original Text From: "Mark Rollings" , on 1/14/97 6:00 PM: > I know this may be a bit off topic...but I am desparate. Our ISP has many > services running FreeBSD, however we have moved to the Cisco AS5200, and > using Radius for our authentication system. In this move, the comm > servers will interface with Radius on the NT Platform using an Access > Database. ( It makes it easier to enter accounts thru the database) > > I have been all over the radius list, isp list, and thought maybe as a last > ditch effort, someone here might have some ideas. If any of you have > experienced interfacing the AS5200's and Radius on the NT platform, please > contact me. > > Mr Moderator... I apologize for getting off topic, but this is an ISP > list.. and I am desperate that maybe I can pull from someone esles > knowlege. > > > > Mark Rollings > TelCentral Internet > darkstar@telcentral.com TIMOTHY J. WITTHOEFT LAN MANAGER From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 14 20:32:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA03642 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 20:32:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA03618; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 20:32:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA28554; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:46:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:46:28 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com cc: richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: reliable modems? In-Reply-To: <9700138532.AA853218347@ccgate.infoworld.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I can't agree with this... Just figuring out a way to *power* 200 > > modems in a standalone config is a nightmare. > > No, it's not. Multi-Tech has a rack with redundant power supplies. Supra > has one too (though without the redundancy). > > --Brett That's fine if you have purchased the Multi-Tech or Supra modems... But finding a transformer with one primary and many secondaries (*Don't try one big transformer, BAD things will happen to your modems involving smoke) to power your non-rack-supported modems is really tough. the time I spent dealing with electronics suppliers and the prices I was quoted; well, I could have just bought a few Ascends... The Courier solution sounds really nice for 50-ish modems; one could even put big PBX connectors on the back to tidy up the phone lines, and Xylogics now has optional cables that keep the 6 RS232's together and just terminate in another PBX-style connector. A handy person could make a neat cabinet with alot of spare time. But I still like the idea of a rack that can "take care of itself" and busy lines when a modem fries. None of the individual modem solutions offer this, and while the Couriers that we have perform extraordinarily well (only one has bit it in 2 years), they are pretty pricey when compared to an all-in-one, plug-some-T's-in-the-back-and-go solutions. Used equipment can be a good thing. Charles From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 14 21:35:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA08603 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:35:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mongo.hfconsulting.com (mongo.louisville.edu [136.165.241.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA08595 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hans@localhost) by mongo.hfconsulting.com (8.7.5/8.6.6) id AAA18567 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:35:07 -0500 (EST) From: Hans Fiedler Message-Id: <199701150535.AAA18567@mongo.hfconsulting.com> Subject: Re: Fw: Radius and AS5200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:35:07 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Mark Rollings wrote: I'd be interested in seeing what you are using for a standard radius profile, and perhaps the AS5200 configuration. I have one myself along with a bunch of max 4002's from ascend. I liked the 5200 but it had a few bugs :( . I'm willing to share what info I have as well. I've been in the process of installing some AS5200s using radius (merit) on FreeBSD, and have been having pretty good luck. There are still a couple of things I'm working with Cisco on (access-lists), but the latest version of the IOS seems to have fixed almost all my issues. If you want to ask anything, go ahead, I'll answer what ever I can. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 14 23:11:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA12707 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from npc.haplink.co.cn ([202.96.192.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA12691 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by npc.haplink.co.cn (8.8.4/8.6.9) id PAA04043; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:15:56 GMT Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:15:56 GMT From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199701151515.PAA04043@npc.haplink.co.cn> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Need your suggestions! Cc: xiyuan@npc.haplink.co.cn Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I can not get more IP addresses from my upper ISP. But my users are growing very fast. So, I am planning to move all my services into an inner network, then setup a proxy host to go outside. Is that possible? Will it be very slow? Where can I get a better proxy software? Is there anyone do like that? I am really not certain about this plan. I really need your suggestions! Best regards! --xiyuan From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 15 00:53:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA17703 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:53:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA17698 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:53:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id AAA03735; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:48:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32DC998C.41C67EA6@whistle.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:47:08 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xiyuan qian CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need your suggestions! References: <199701151515.PAA04043@npc.haplink.co.cn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk xiyuan qian wrote: > > Hi, I can not get more IP addresses from my upper ISP. But my users are growing > very fast. So, I am planning to move all my services into an inner network, > then setup a proxy host to go outside. Is that possible? Will it be very slow? > Where can I get a better proxy software? Is there anyone do like that? > I am really not certain about this plan. I really need your suggestions! > > Best regards! this will work.. also as another method of doing this: 1/ use the address translation facility now available (in current's ppp) or 2/ use daren reed's ipfilter package, which also has an address translation option. julian From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 15 00:54:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA17783 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from shadows.aeon.net (bsdisp@shadows.aeon.net [194.100.41.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA17770 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:53:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bsdisp@localhost) by shadows.aeon.net (8.8.4/8.8.3) id KAA14094; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:46:00 +0200 (EET) From: mika ruohotie Message-Id: <199701150846.KAA14094@shadows.aeon.net> Subject: Re: Need your suggestions! To: xiyuan@npc.haplink.co.cn (xiyuan qian) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:46:00 +0200 (EET) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, xiyuan@npc.haplink.co.cn In-Reply-To: <199701151515.PAA04043@npc.haplink.co.cn> from xiyuan qian at "Jan 15, 97 03:15:56 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, I can not get more IP addresses from my upper ISP. But my users are growing could you announce this isp so that people might be able to avoid their services? > very fast. So, I am planning to move all my services into an inner network, > then setup a proxy host to go outside. Is that possible? Will it be very slow? i dont think it will be that sane sollution for a long time period, might work for a while, but eventually it'll blow up from some corner... > Where can I get a better proxy software? Is there anyone do like that? > I am really not certain about this plan. I really need your suggestions! find another linking ISP, and in your case, i would call your ISP a IUP, internet UNservice providor. any sensible and worth-to-do-business-with ISP would assign more IP space if the customer can clearly show there _IS_ a need for those addresses. that is the way internet should work, and i'm sure from a request atleast i would be more than happy questioning the motives of your ISP if they really refuse to hand out the address space. i might be a little biased, but it seems to me there's too many ISPs out there who only want to make the profit... > --xiyuan mickey From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 15 02:33:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA20870 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 02:33:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from io.org (io.org [198.133.36.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id CAA20862 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 02:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from zap.io.org (twiggy@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by io.org (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA28688 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 05:33:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 05:33:11 -0500 (EST) From: Cybertwig from Montreal Reply-To: Cybertwig from Montreal To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Ascend for modems. In-Reply-To: <199701150846.KAA14094@shadows.aeon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I recently saw a quite large thread about realiable modems and etc, but I didn't much discussion about the modem package Ascend does. We might be considering upgrading more then 500 modems, so far we have considered Usr, Microcoms (the best deal so far), Telebit, Ascend. If you curently used those brands or did consider them could you tell me what made you choose a brand over the other. Thanks -= Twiggy =- Cyril Jaouich (CJ837, twiggy@ican.net, twiggy@io.org) From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 15 03:30:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA22356 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 03:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from bear.beyond2000.co.uk (bear.beyond2000.co.uk [194.217.248.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id DAA22340 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 03:30:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from bear.beyond2000.co.uk (bear.beyond2000.co.uk [194.217.248.11]) by bear.beyond2000.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA25563; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 11:34:34 GMT Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 11:34:33 +0000 () From: Bernard Jauregui To: Cybertwig from Montreal cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ascend for modems. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Cybertwig from Montreal wrote: > We might be considering upgrading more then 500 modems, so far we > have considered Usr, Microcoms (the best deal so far), Telebit, Ascend. > If you curently used those brands or did consider them could you > tell me what made you choose a brand over the other. We recently chose the Ascend MAX4000 range for the following reasons : 1) Eventually they matched the best price 2) So much functionality is included in the chassis price 3) I used them with the UK's largest ISP (Demon Internet - 80,000+ users) 4) The support package was first class (4hour replacement) 5) System software is highly configurable 6) Genuinely useful console and logging (uses syslog) Down points were : 1) We ended up having to develope our own Radius server (It's very good if anyone is interested - uses a SQL database and is completely merged with our admin systems, DNS, NIS etc...) 2) They run very hot 3) Entry level (say 15 lines) is expensive 4) Not very flexible as a terminal server (can't do telnet ) All in all, as we expect to be supporting over ten thousand users with a high growth rate, I think we made the right decision. We also considered a similar unit from Shiva BJ CamNet - The Cambridge FreeNet From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 15 10:13:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA14708 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:13:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunasci.informador.com.mx (sunasci.informador.com.mx [200.13.66.88]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA14696 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from felipe@localhost) by sunasci.informador.com.mx (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA00599; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:12:28 GMT Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:12:28 +0000 () From: Felipe Rivera Marquez To: Dev Chanchani cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: SUMMARY: SCSI bus reset In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, Dev give me the hint to fix the problem. I already had configured the DMA transfer speed to 5 mb/s The thing was a jumper on the host (Ultrastor 14F) Jumper Block 13, 3-4 was OUT, wich means Host Adapter initiated sync negotiation. It has to be IN, wich means target initiated sync negotiation . And that was all the thing. Thanx to everybody On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Dev Chanchani wrote: > You may wish to configure the settings on your tape drive in the SCSI bios. > Lower the speed at which the scsi bus will talk to this device (on SCSI2 > I have it set it 5 MB/s). > > Dissable Sync Transfer as Tape Drivers will probably not talk synchronously. > > --Dev > > On Thu, 26 Dec 1996, Felipe Rivera Marquez wrote: > > > > > > > Hi there. > > > > Configuration: > > > > Freebsd 2.1.5, ultrastor ultra 14f irq 11 dma 5 id 7 (uha0), HD scsi > > seagate st51080n 1gb id 0 (sd0), DAT unit HP surestoretape 6000 id 1 > > (st0), root mounted on an ide hd Connner 540MB, pentium 100mhz, 32mb ram, > > 128mb swap partition. > > > > All the scsi devices are detected without a problem. When a try > > to archive any filesystem on the tape with tar i get this error after 10 > > seconds more or less. > > > > uha0: unexpected ha_status 0x96 (target status 0x0) > > st0(uha0:1:0): UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,0 > > st0(uha0:1:0): Power on, reset, or bus device reset occurred > > sd0(uha0:0:0): UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,0 > > sd0(uha0:0:0): Power on, reset, or bus device reset occurred > > , retries:4 > > > > and tar stops. > > > > Any ideas??? > > > > BTW does anybody have the jumper description for the ultrastor ultra 14f?? > > > > thanx > > > > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 15 12:15:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA21299 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA21264 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:15:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA28055 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:15:23 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00291 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:11:26 -0800 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:11:25 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need your suggestions! In-Reply-To: <199701150846.KAA14094@shadows.aeon.net> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, mika ruohotie wrote: > > Hi, I can not get more IP addresses from my upper ISP. But my users are growing > > could you announce this isp so that people might be able to avoid their services? Don't be silly. Why would somebody in Finland sign up with an ISP in the People's Republic of China?!?! > > very fast. So, I am planning to move all my services into an inner network, > > then setup a proxy host to go outside. Is that possible? Will it be very slow? > > i dont think it will be that sane sollution for a long time period, > might work for a while, but eventually it'll blow up from some corner... Don't be silly. The entire country of Israel runs all web traffic through proxy servers. So does Singapore. Half of Australia is running with proxy servers. The secret is in the CACHING. If you install a Squid caching proxy then your users will get faster access to the net. Even if you have a couple of T1's, a Squid proxy will still speed up a lot of the web accesses. And you can configure it so that people can request a file with ftp or http, then hang up the phone while Squid pulls in the file. Then later on, they can dial in and request the same file and download it at full modem speed. This is great if you pay per minute for local phone calls. > > Where can I get a better proxy software? Is there anyone do like that? > > I am really not certain about this plan. I really need your suggestions! > > find another linking ISP, and in your case, i would call your ISP a IUP, > internet UNservice providor. Don't be silly! He can get Squid from http://www.nlanr.net/Squid and if he other ISP's connected to his provider will also install Squid then they can share each other's cache's. > any sensible and worth-to-do-business-with ISP would assign more IP space > if the customer can clearly show there _IS_ a need for those addresses. To start with you have to show that all your addresses are properly allocated. This is not easy for many people because they don't understand CIDR, dynamic address allocation, IP subnet 0 and things like that. Most ISP's would need to hire a consultant to justify more addresses with RIPE, APNIC or ARIN. > that is the way internet should work, and i'm sure from a request atleast > i would be more than happy questioning the motives of your ISP if they > really refuse to hand out the address space. i might be a little biased, but > it seems to me there's too many ISPs out there who only want to make the > profit... Seems to me there are too many ISP's out there who only want to complain about how things should be instead of understanding the large number of options that are available in configuring a network. Proxy caches work great. Pentium servers can handle the load easily. Speed is related to RAM, so if the server is not fast enough, add more RAM and tell Squid to use it. A hard drive of 2 - 4 gigabytes is plenty of room for the second level cache. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 15 12:18:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA22134 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:18:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA22107 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:18:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA28110; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:17:57 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00313; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:13:59 -0800 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:13:58 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: Cybertwig from Montreal cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ascend for modems. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Cybertwig from Montreal wrote: > We might be considering upgrading more then 500 modems, so far we > have considered Usr, Microcoms (the best deal so far), Telebit, Ascend. If you can get your dialin lines delivered over ISDN PRI then consider Livingston's Portmaster 3. If you don't need them right away and you can only get T1 delivery of dialup lines then you might still want to wait for the Portmaster 3 to get channelized T1 support finished. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 15 12:36:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA23434 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:36:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from gds.de (ns.gds.de [194.77.222.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA23427 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:36:07 -0800 (PST) From: rg@gds.de Received: from pluto.gds.de (donald.plusnet.de [194.231.79.11]) by gds.de (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA19079 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 21:35:48 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199701152035.VAA19079@gds.de> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 21:34:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: fatal error 11 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hallo, I have installed a new Dual-P5 with the following configuration Board: Gigabyte 586-DX RAM: 2x32 MB EDO HDD: Quantum Atlas 4,5 GB Processor: 2 x Intel P5 200 MHz By now I have already tried FreeBSD 2.2-BETA, 3.0-970114-SNAP and current. Each of those version is running fine on another systems here. But each of them produces "fatal signal 11". The error comes especially when compiling a new kernel but also in other applications. What is the cause? Is it a hardware problem? Is it a wrong bios setting? Thanks for any help in advance Richard +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ : Plus.Net Internet PoP fuer : Oppenheimer Landstr. 55 Frankfurt & Westerwald : 60596 Frankfurt : Tel.: +49 69 61991275 http://www.plusnet.de : Fax : +49 69 610238 +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 15 13:22:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA25696 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:22:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@ppp03.h2net.net [204.227.19.103]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA25690 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:22:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04366 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:36:23 -0700 Message-ID: <32DD3FC6.5F070CE9@w3page.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:36:22 -0700 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need your suggestions! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > i might be a little biased, but > > it seems to me there's too many ISPs out there who only want to make the > > profit... Profit??? Ummm. Yes. Were are sure as hell not in business for our HEALTH. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 15 13:36:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA27510 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:36:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from house.multinet.net (house.multinet.net [204.138.173.37]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA27501 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:36:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabber.multinet.net (gabber.multinet.net [204.138.173.45]) by house.multinet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA28184 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:34:43 -0500 Message-ID: <32DD4D79.446B9B3D@multinet.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:34:49 -0500 From: graydon hoare X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-ALPHA i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need your suggestions! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Proxy caches work great. Pentium servers can handle the load easily. Speed > is related to RAM, so if the server is not fast enough, add more RAM and > tell Squid to use it. A hard drive of 2 - 4 gigabytes is plenty of room > for the second level cache. > agreed -- squid is very effective. HTTP is an inefficient protocol for multimedia. Adding a local cache with 128megs of ram will make your network fly. I have added it here and it significantly improved things. -graydon From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 16 07:07:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA25264 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 07:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from argus.acpub.duke.edu (argus.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA25259 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 07:07:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from louis (async249-32.async.duke.edu [152.3.249.32]) by argus.acpub.duke.edu (8.7.1/Duke-3.0) with SMTP id KAA17081; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:00:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970116150056.00664d30@chem.duke.edu> X-Sender: reese@chem.duke.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:00:56 -0500 To: isp@freebsd.org From: Charles Reese Subject: FreeBSD/News FAQ project. Cc: Michael Dillon Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK I'm roasted, toasted and convinced so how about some names and model numbers that will do the job? I have volunteered to start a FreeBSD-News "FAQ/ Guide", getting a list of recommended (or NOT) hardware will be the first thing. I put together a little questionaire below to make it easy to respond. Obviously I'm new to this so I will have to learn as I go along. If anyone wants to volunteer to edit the FAQ or co-author (or just plain author) it, email me. If you have more then one type of anything just dup. the appropriate section. You can also put in stuff you know won't hold up so I can put it into an 'avoid this' section. Please email me with any suggestions about what should be added to the hardware questionaire. If you send a private reply I won't identify the source, if that's what you want. FreeBSD Version: News Software: Feed Type: Feed Size (all,partial, etc): Expire Time: Disk Drive: Company: Model: Size: How Many Req'd: Rating: Comment: SCSI controller: Company: Model: Wide/Wide Fast etc.: How Many Req'd: Rating: Comment: Computer: Processor: Mother Board: Memory: Any WWW sites you want included in FAQ? Other comments, stuff I forgot, usefull information to include etc. I need some way to classify what scale of operation the above setup is recommended for, but I don't know how 'News' is quantified (articles/day?, articles/stored? bytes?) so please suggest some measures that might be used and how your system fits. I would like to classify the setup portion of the FAQ into small, medium, large and mammoth. So small might be a new ISP with say 100 customers, medium up to 1000, large to 10,000 and mammoth = > 10,000. As the FAQ will probably be most useful to newbies setting up for the first time the small, medium sections are probably the most important. Cheers Charlie Reese ------------------------------------------------------ Charles E. Reese * Senior Research Associate * Chemistry Dept. * * Duke University * Consulting services: * Durham, NC 27710 * Chromatography * 919-660-1585 * Chemometrics * 919-544-7217 * Isotachophoresis * * WWW site development * reese@chem.duke.edu * * ------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 16 07:29:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA25970 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 07:29:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.trifecta.com (www.trifecta.com [206.245.150.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA25965 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 07:29:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dev@localhost) by www.trifecta.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id KAA01913; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:31:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:31:08 -0500 (EST) From: Dev Chanchani To: Jan A Knepper cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: Windows E-Mail client(s) on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <32DC2EC8.109@luna.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk First, you are not confusing windows networing and tcp/ip when you say that FreeBSD server is not visible from windows right? Can you ping the freebsd machine from a windows machine? If not, make sure you have the adapters working correctly on the machines. This should be fairly simple. On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Jan A Knepper wrote: > Ok, here I am again with an other dumb question. > > Right now I have a FreeBSD 2.2-BETA running and exchanging e-mail with > the UUCP provider. Everthing works fine from FreeBSD itself. > However, now I want to put the FreeBSD box into a PC network (also > running Novell NetWare) and have several user access FreeBSD for e-mail > (via winsock or something like that). > I have been poking around. There is an NE2000 compatible adapter in the > FreeBSD box and the thing is connected to the network. I however have > been unsuccessful so far in making is visible. I am missing some good > information about IP addresses, netmask's and such. Also some help from > any one that did this before would be good. > > Thanks for the help so far. > > Don't worry, be Kneppie! > Jan > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 16 10:38:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA05337 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:38:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA05324 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA18428 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:37:42 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA12064 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:33:49 -0800 Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:33:48 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD/News FAQ project. In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970116150056.00664d30@chem.duke.edu> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Charles Reese wrote: > Obviously I'm new to this so I will have to learn as I go along. Go look up the freebsd-isp mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org , read through the messages and distill the common questions and good advice into a FAQ document. If you are primarily interested in news servers, then use the search tool at the website to hunt for messages about INN on freebsd-isp and some of the other freebsd lists that are archived there. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 17 17:08:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA11397 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:08:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from eternal.dusk.net (root@eternal.dusk.net [207.219.16.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA11391 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:08:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from expert@localhost) by eternal.dusk.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA06835 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 21:09:05 -0400 (AST) From: Christian Hochhold Message-Id: <199701180109.VAA06835@eternal.dusk.net> Subject: tcp_wrappers To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 21:09:05 -0400 (AST) X-URL: http://www.dusk.net & http://www.vampires.net X-Moto: Live for today and let the future take care of itself X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Evenin' I have tcp wrappers running on my shell machine, with twist so it displayes a nice message to any individual trying to connect who is not in the hosts.allow file. I've just found that hosts.allow doesn't like wildcards, as one of my clients is part of another major ISP, and instead of at least being able to just allow access to the pop where he dials into, I now have to allow ALL the ISP's POP's to connect. Obivously this is a risk, in order to allow one person to telnet in, I have to allow the whole nation to telnet in as well. I've tried (as examples) *@pop-prov*.isp.name pop*.isp.name pop-prov.isp.name to no avail. Does anyone have any suggestions / recommendations as to what one can do about this? Thank You in advance, Christian From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 17 18:45:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA16638 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:45:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA16626 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:45:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id NAA06572; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:59:15 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:59:14 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Christian Hochhold cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tcp_wrappers In-Reply-To: <199701180109.VAA06835@eternal.dusk.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Christian Hochhold wrote: > I have tcp wrappers running on my shell machine, with twist > so it displayes a nice message to any individual trying to > connect who is not in the hosts.allow file. > I've just found that hosts.allow doesn't like wildcards, as > one of my clients is part of another major ISP, and instead > of at least being able to just allow access to the pop where > he dials into, I now have to allow ALL the ISP's POP's to > connect. > Obivously this is a risk, in order to allow one person to > telnet in, I have to allow the whole nation to telnet in > as well. tcpd is only a first line defence, and not a complete defence. I would recommend installing sshd, and getting your client to use an ssh client. There is one for Windows, although it costs US$100. See www.datafellows.com. Alternatively, impose one-time passwords. Danny