From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 9 10:39:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29118 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 10:39:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.interworld.net (news.interworld.net [206.124.224.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29113 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 10:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pete@localhost) by news.interworld.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA03154; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 10:39:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 10:39:43 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Carah Message-Id: <199702091839.KAA03154@news.interworld.net> To: mike@sentex.net Subject: Re: Terminal Servers? (which one) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970131094233.0099abe0@sentex.net> Cc: isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <3.0.32.19970131094233.0099abe0@sentex.net> you write: > >At 01:23 AM 2/01/97 +1100, Andrew wrote: >>Hi All, >> >>Well after all the comments about Annexes what do people recommend as a >>terminal server for an ISP?. Looking for something expandable - starting >>at 30 or so ports. Presumably support SLIP/CSLIP/PPP with authentication >>on FreeBSD. Presumably they all will have ethernet of some form. How about >>handling ISDN as well as analogue modems? AAny other helpful comments? >> >>Someone told me Pormasters had a habit of spontaneous reboots. Anyone else >>heard this? > >Maybe they are running an old version of ComOS... We have several of them >and like them VERY much... 3.3.2 would reboot immediately if anyone attempted a PAP login on it. They fixed it very quickly as 3.3.2c1 but THAT leaked memory like a sieve. 3.3.3 is fairly stable but still leaks memory some. I haven't tried later than that. Note that several months production got shipped with 3.3.2 in it; you had to upgrade immediately... 3.3.1 is *very* stable but lacks some logging, especially on ISDN. pre-3.3.1 won't handle ISDN. >Check out the PM3s from Livingston.. They handle >ISDN and analog quite well.... The other issue around reboots is memory. >If you are using a PM2E with an ISDN expansion card in it, you really >should upgrade the memory as Livingston reccomends. Since we did that, we >havent had any reboots, and our dedicated lines have been staying connected >for over 70 days without a drop (the last time we rebooted it). > >Check out www.livingston.com, and have a read through the mailling archives >there. I would say mostly happy customers. Except for those that got 3.3.2 with their box and had W95 users trying to log in... Disaster city :-( >Here is one of our boxes.... >Livingston Enterprises PortMaster Version 3.3.1 >System uptime is 196 days 9 hours 13 minutes Ours aren't quite that good. The primary cause of our reboots is the console (pm_open or pm_term) application gets wedged and cancelled at the unix (or windoze) end, and you cant start another till the box gets rebooted. It would be nice to be able to kill the connection at the pm2 end without a reboot. >Also radius for Livingston (the ones who wrote it) runs quite well on >FreeBSD. Have a look at the recent USR Total Control thread regarding >their version radius... So does merit radius, though it isn't entirely obvious how to configure it... -- Pete From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 9 10:52:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29851 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 10:52:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (trt-on10-45.netcom.ca [207.181.83.173]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29846 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 10:52:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA18283; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 13:50:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 13:50:46 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Richard Hwang cc: Chris Bura , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCSI-to-SCSI RAID controllers (was "RAID ? ") In-Reply-To: <199702090137.UAA01887@megazone.bigpanda.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 8 Feb 1997, Richard Hwang wrote: > > I would be more than happy to write something on SCSI-to-SCSI RAID > controllers, as I have been researching them for awhile, and will be > working with the CMD Daytona (see below) in the next few weeks. You may want to search the freebsd-scsi mailing list archives for some comparison tests I did between a single drive system, a RAIDION system, a CMD-based system and a FreeBSD ccd disk set. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 9 12:51:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA07752 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 12:51:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mojo.calyx.net (email@mojo.calyx.net [208.132.136.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07742 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 12:51:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from email@localhost) by mojo.calyx.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA22896; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 15:50:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 15:50:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702092050.PAA22896@mojo.calyx.net> Received: from kwesi.calyx.net(208.132.136.100) by mojo.calyx.net via smap (V1.3) id sma022890; Sun Feb 9 15:50:53 1997 X-Sender: nick@calyx.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Chris Bura From: Nick Merrill Subject: Re: RAID ? Cc: isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 02:02 PM 2/7/97 -0800, you wrote: > >Well after checking out Mylex's website I noticed a product called >the DAC960SUI which connects the a SCSI controller. It's supposed to >just be seen as a hard drive as far as the OS is concerned. >Have no idea what it costs. Can't seem to find a retailer around with >enough IQ to figure out that if it's not in stock, it still may exist... I have one of those. It's really a beautiful unit. It takes a 72 pin SIMM up to 64mb for cache, and has up to 3 fast/wide channels to hook hard drives up to, and one fast/wide host channel that you hook to your SCSI card. It's got it's own LED readout and buttons so you can configure it stand-alone, or it's got an optional serial port you can use to set it up using software on your PC. Once you get it all configured, and the drives formatted and organized into a RAID, the controller handles everything, while making the entire RAID appear to the host as one drive, of Mylex brand. That way it works on any platform that supports SCSI without any special drivers. The unit I got cost around $3000 or $3500. But if you've got the cash I'd highly recommend it. I'm pretty sure they carry them at Net Express - http://www.tdl.com/~netex Tell them I sent you ;) Nick --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicholas Merrill 24 Hour pager: 212-381-0500 Voice: 212-292-7325 President / CEO http://www.calyx.net Fax : 212-292-7313 Calyx Internet Access 271 E. 10th St. #100 NYC 10009 Email: nick@calyx.net --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 9 12:58:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08279 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 12:58:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA08240; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 12:57:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <36631(6)>; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 12:57:24 PST Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177476>; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 12:57:09 -0800 To: Jim Shankland cc: bugs@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, bvt@mp.aha.ru, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, robert@nanguo.chalmers.com.au Subject: Re: I give up! no ideas left. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 08 Feb 97 22:52:01 PST." <199702090652.WAA07862@saguaro.flyingfox.com> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 12:57:05 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <97Feb9.125709pst.177476@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199702090652.WAA07862@saguaro.flyingfox.com> you write: >I receive the *second* data packet from you (covering bytes >1440:2049, or something like that), but I never get the first >(bytes 1:1440). Of course, my end immediately does an ACK 1 >to signal that it got an out-of-sequence packet; but to no >avail. That packet simply never arrives. So it looks like there's a router in the middle that drops big packets but doesn't return ICMP packet-too-big errors. This router is in violation of RFC1812 (but that never stops anyone). This is a problem with Path MTU Discovery as specified; it doesn't allow for a hop that simply discards packets with no notification. You can probably find this hop by using traceroute; "traceroute 1500" will just start timing out at the hop that is not returning ICMP errors; then "traceroute " and see what router that hop is. Contact the owner of the router and get them to configure it (or upgrade it) so that it replies properly when dropping a packet with DF set. Bill From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 9 13:38:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10820 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 13:38:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from dnai.com (dnai.com [140.174.162.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10815 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 13:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mars.dnai.com (mars.dnai.com [140.174.162.14]) by dnai.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27623; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 13:37:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 13:37:37 -0800 (PST) From: Dror Matalon To: Brian Tao cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCSI-to-SCSI RAID controllers (was "RAID ? ") In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Actually I was very interested in some kind of freebsd RAID solution. After a while though I felt that there isn't yet a mature solution that works well with FreeBSD and so we spent the extra $ and got a Netapp (www.netapp.com). Cost $20K for 18 Usable Gigs, but we're very happy with it. I would be interested in hearing about people that are using RAID solutions on FreeBSD in production systems. Most of the mail I saw was about people experimenting with this. On Sun, 9 Feb 1997, Brian Tao wrote: > On Sat, 8 Feb 1997, Richard Hwang wrote: > > > > I would be more than happy to write something on SCSI-to-SCSI RAID > > controllers, as I have been researching them for awhile, and will be > > working with the CMD Daytona (see below) in the next few weeks. > > You may want to search the freebsd-scsi mailing list archives for > some comparison tests I did between a single drive system, a RAIDION > system, a CMD-based system and a FreeBSD ccd disk set. > -- > Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) > "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" > > Dror Matalon Voice: 510 649-6110 Direct Network Access Fax: 510 649-7130 2039 Shattuck Avenue Modem: 510 649-6116 Berkeley, CA 94704 Email: dror@dnai.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 9 14:57:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15859 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 14:57:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from teligent.se (iservern.teligent.se [194.17.198.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15830 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 14:57:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from datorn.teligent.se (datorn.teligent.se [192.168.2.31]) by teligent.se (8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA01776; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 23:56:04 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 23:52:33 +0100 (MET) From: Jakob Alvermark Reply-To: alvermark@teligent.se To: Dror Matalon cc: Brian Tao , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI-to-SCSI RAID controllers (was "RAID ? ") In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id OAA15839 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Feb 1997, Dror Matalon wrote: > happy with it. I would be interested in hearing about people that are > using RAID solutions on FreeBSD in production systems. Most of the > mail I saw was about people experimenting with this. Yes, we're using RAID solutions in production systems. We build scalable telecom systems, e.g. voice/fax-mailbox systems. I think the hardware we're using are DTC SCSI RAID controllers. They handle up to 7 scsidisks, RAID 0-5, I think. Hotswapping, and I think they could connect to two hosts as well. And they have a serialport, so you could control it using a VT-100 terminal, as well as using the display and buttons on the front for setting up the controller. Oh yeah, it has an audiable alarm :) I've no idea about the prize anyway. But it's good stuff. ------------------------------------------------------- Teligent AB, P.O. Box 213, S-149 23 Nynäshamn, Sweden Telephone +46-(0)8 520 660 00 * Fax +46-(0)8 520 193 36 Direct +46-(0)8 520 660 32 * GSM +46-(0)70 792 16 57 From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 9 15:02:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA16179 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 15:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16151; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 15:02:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id KAA24237; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:04:39 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:04:38 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Bill Fenner cc: Jim Shankland , bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, bvt@mp.aha.ru, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, robert@nanguo.chalmers.com.au Subject: Re: I give up! no ideas left. In-Reply-To: <97Feb9.125709pst.177476@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Feb 1997, Bill Fenner wrote: > In message <199702090652.WAA07862@saguaro.flyingfox.com> you write: > >I receive the *second* data packet from you (covering bytes > >1440:2049, or something like that), but I never get the first > >(bytes 1:1440). Of course, my end immediately does an ACK 1 > >to signal that it got an out-of-sequence packet; but to no > >avail. That packet simply never arrives. > > So it looks like there's a router in the middle that drops big packets > but doesn't return ICMP packet-too-big errors. This router is in > violation of RFC1812 (but that never stops anyone). > > This is a problem with Path MTU Discovery as specified; it doesn't > allow for a hop that simply discards packets with no notification. > > You can probably find this hop by using traceroute; "traceroute > 1500" will just start timing out at the hop that is not returning ICMP > errors; then "traceroute " and see what router that hop is. > Contact the owner of the router and get them to configure it (or > upgrade it) so that it replies properly when dropping a packet with DF > set. Well, that really sounded like it would be solve the problem, but as the traces below show, it did not quite work. Is there any way to set Don't Fragment in traceroute? Danny cuckoo# traceroute www.chalmers.com.au. 1500 traceroute to nanguo.chalmers.com.au (203.1.96.5), 30 hops max, 1540 byte packets 1 border-ed3.aus.net (203.2.135.254) 5.677 ms 5.537 ms 5.497 ms 2 gw-eth0.aus.net (203.8.15.9) 8.101 ms 8.889 ms 8.439 ms 3 ml2.Melbourne.aone.net.au (203.12.177.216) 642.739 ms 421.222 ms 331.150 ms 4 mc3-reg2-5.Melbourne.aone.net.au (203.12.177.222) 293.630 ms 565.735 ms 430.286 ms 5 sc1-f10-ms2-8.Sydney.aone.net.au (203.102.128.245) 565.205 ms 396.279 ms 353.259 ms 6 bc1-f10-s1-2.Brisbane.aone.net.au (203.102.128.197) 447.261 ms 299.660 ms 279.950 ms [ there was a 30 second pause here, may not be relevant - my own router has been funny this morning.] 7 max1.Mackay.aone.net.au (203.61.61.129) 394.066 ms 399.916 ms 500.645 ms 8 eros.chalmers.com.au (203.1.96.4) 1944.422 ms 1539.953 ms 992.830 ms 9 nanguo.chalmers.com.au (203.1.96.5) 1532.759 ms 1483.978 ms 1640.986 ms cuckoo# traceroute www.chalmers.com.au. 1460 traceroute to nanguo.chalmers.com.au (203.1.96.5), 30 hops max, 1500 byte packets 1 border-ed3.aus.net (203.2.135.254) 12.436 ms 8.688 ms 12.119 ms 2 gw-eth0.aus.net (203.8.15.9) 58.326 ms 9.817 ms 13.526 ms 3 ml2.Melbourne.aone.net.au (203.12.177.216) 734.838 ms 712.851 ms 892.871 ms 4 mc3-reg2-5.Melbourne.aone.net.au (203.12.177.222) 709.052 ms 516.863 ms 336.940 ms 5 sc1-f10-ms2-8.Sydney.aone.net.au (203.102.128.245) 438.273 ms 392.142 ms 561.540 ms 6 bc1-f10-s1-2.Brisbane.aone.net.au (203.102.128.197) 708.056 ms 846.406 ms 758.388 ms 7 * max1.Mackay.aone.net.au (203.61.61.129) 433.632 ms 552.244 ms 8 eros.chalmers.com.au (203.1.96.4) 1054.622 ms 911.240 ms 947.772 ms 9 nanguo.chalmers.com.au (203.1.96.5) 1117.149 ms 1146.223 ms 1073.057 ms cuckoo# From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 9 16:11:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA20759 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 16:11:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20743 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 16:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA24961; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 19:11:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 19:11:35 -0500 (EST) From: Bradley Dunn X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net To: Peter Carah cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Terminal Servers? (which one) In-Reply-To: <199702091839.KAA03154@news.interworld.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Feb 1997, Peter Carah wrote: > 3.3.2 would reboot immediately if anyone attempted a PAP login on it. > They fixed it very quickly as 3.3.2c1 but THAT leaked memory like a sieve. > 3.3.3 is fairly stable but still leaks memory some. I haven't tried later > than that. Note that several months production got shipped with 3.3.2 in > it; you had to upgrade immediately... 3.5 fixes the memory leaks and has a usable IGP to boot. > Ours aren't quite that good. The primary cause of our reboots is the console > (pm_open or pm_term) application gets wedged and cancelled at the unix > (or windoze) end, and you cant start another till the box gets rebooted. > It would be nice to be able to kill the connection at the pm2 end without > a reboot. You can up the number of PMCrashsole connections allowed with: set maximum pmconsole where is the max concurrent sessions to allow (up to 10). You can also reset connections by telneting to the PM, doing a 'show netconns', finding the crashed connection, and resetting it with 'reset nXXX', where XXX is the number from the leftmost column of the 'show netconns'. pbd From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 9 16:23:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21731 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 16:23:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA21706; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 16:22:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <58318(7)>; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 16:22:10 PST Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177476>; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 16:21:56 -0800 To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" cc: Bill Fenner , Jim Shankland , bugs@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, bvt@mp.aha.ru, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, robert@nanguo.chalmers.com.au Subject: Re: I give up! no ideas left. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 09 Feb 97 15:04:38 PST." Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 16:21:45 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <97Feb9.162156pst.177476@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message you wri te: >Is there any way to set Don't Fragment in traceroute? Uh... right. Pardon me while I put on my "that was a stupid idea" hat. If you don't mind modifying the source, it's fairly straightforward; look for where it sets up the IP header and set ip_off to IP_DF instead of 0. Bill From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 9 16:23:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21784 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 16:23:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from irbs.irbs.com (jc@irbs.irbs.com [199.182.75.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21771 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 16:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA11671; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 19:21:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19970209192139.DR04830@irbs.com> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 19:21:39 -0500 From: jc@irbs.com (John Capo) To: danny@panda.hilink.com.au (Daniel O'Callaghan) Cc: fenner@parc.xerox.com (Bill Fenner), jas@flyingfox.com (Jim Shankland), freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, bvt@mp.aha.ru, robert@nanguo.chalmers.com.au Subject: Re: I give up! no ideas left. References: <97Feb9.125709pst.177476@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Organization: IRBS Engineering, (954) 792-9551 In-Reply-To: ; from Daniel O'Callaghan on Feb 10, 1997 10:04:38 +1100 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoting Daniel O'Callaghan (danny@panda.hilink.com.au): > > Well, that really sounded like it would be solve the problem, but as the > traces below show, it did not quite work. Is there any way to set Don't > Fragment in traceroute? > I have a version of traceroute that does MTU discovery. traceroute to nanguo.chalmers.com.au (203.1.96.5), 30 hops max, 8192 byte packets 1 MTU=8166 MTU=4352 MTU=2002 MTU=1492 davsys-gw.davsys.com (199.182.75.1) 6 ms 4 ms 4 ms 2 198.211.141.1 (198.211.141.1) 345 ms 338 ms 338 ms 3 h4-0-mae-west.netcom.net (163.179.232.90) 345 ms 345 ms 345 ms 4 cpe1.hay.mci.net (198.32.136.72) 348 ms 343 ms 344 ms 5 core3-hssi2-0.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.1.13) 379 ms 380 ms 378 ms 6 204.70.2.174 (204.70.2.174) 560 ms 398 ms 444 ms 7 204.70.2.174 (204.70.2.174) 431 ms 375 ms 384 ms 8 labtam.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.189.216.150) 618 ms 575 ms 628 ms 9 bc1-f10-s2-3.Brisbane.aone.net.au (203.102.128.213) 649 ms 636 ms 661 ms 10 max1.Mackay.aone.net.au (203.61.61.129) 913 ms 721 ms 734 ms 11 * max1.Mackay.aone.net.au (203.61.61.129) 720 ms !M=296 733 ms !M=296 11 MTU=296 eros.chalmers.com.au (203.1.96.4) 758 ms * 756 ms 12 nanguo.chalmers.com.au (203.1.96.5) 753 ms 837 ms 763 ms Tcpdump shows that max1.Mackay.aone.net.au is responding correctly. 19:15:51.031682 max1.Mackay.aone.net.au > irbs.irbs.com: icmp: chalmers.com.au unreachable - nee d to frag (mtu 296) John Capo From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 9 16:31:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA22638 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 16:31:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (trt-on18-33.netcom.ca [207.181.85.225]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22633 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 16:31:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA18756 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 19:31:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 19:31:41 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-ISP-L Subject: Re: SCSI-to-SCSI RAID controllers (was "RAID ? ") In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Feb 1997, Dror Matalon wrote: > > After a while though I felt that there isn't yet a mature solution > that works well with FreeBSD and so we spent the extra $ and got a > Netapp (www.netapp.com). Cost $20K for 18 Usable Gigs, but we're > very happy with it. SCSI-to-SCSI RAID controllers don't have to be OS-specific. The CMD controller is quite nice and appears as a single device to FreeBSD. Absolutely no tweaking was necessary with FreeBSD. If you have the bucks, I'd suggest going that route. A high-end subsystem with hot/warm spares, auto-rebuild, multiple host support and a couple hundred megs of cache ends up costing roughly the same as a NetApp and you can plug it directly into your FreeBSD servers. NetApps are more scalable if you have a farm of servers that need to share the same filesystem though. If you can't afford to pay over $1/meg for storage, the ccd driver will give you excellent performance and the ability to see one, large filesystem, with the option of disk mirroring (but no parity information). -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 9 16:38:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA22990 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 16:38:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22963; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 16:38:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id LAA24669; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:41:00 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:40:59 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Bill Fenner cc: Jim Shankland , bugs@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, bvt@mp.aha.ru, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, robert@nanguo.chalmers.com.au Subject: Re: I give up! no ideas left. In-Reply-To: <97Feb9.162156pst.177476@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Feb 1997, Bill Fenner wrote: > In message you wri > te: > >Is there any way to set Don't Fragment in traceroute? > > Uh... right. Pardon me while I put on my "that was a stupid idea" hat. > If you don't mind modifying the source, it's fairly straightforward; > look for where it sets up the IP header and set ip_off to IP_DF instead > of 0. *laugh* OK. I might put that down as a useful runtime addition. However right at the moment there is not much to do, as Robert now has his pppd insisting on a MRU or 296, so Max1.mackay.aone.net.au is using that as an MTU on his interface. This is shown by John Capo's message. Robert, you might like to try upping your MRU to see how big you can make it before things stop working. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 9 19:48:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04957 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 19:48:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04951 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 19:48:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA18987; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 19:46:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpo.whistle.com(207.76.205.1) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma018985; Sun Feb 9 19:45:51 1997 Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA14969; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 19:43:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32FE990D.41C67EA6@whistle.com> Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 19:42:05 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Capo CC: "Daniel O'Callaghan" , Bill Fenner , Jim Shankland , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, bvt@mp.aha.ru, robert@nanguo.chalmers.com.au Subject: Re: I give up! no ideas left. References: <97Feb9.125709pst.177476@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> <19970209192139.DR04830@irbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J > > I have a version of traceroute that does MTU discovery. so I presume you'll be polishing this and submitting it to the traceroute authors? :) > > traceroute to nanguo.chalmers.com.au (203.1.96.5), 30 hops max, 8192 byte packets > 1 MTU=8166 MTU=4352 MTU=2002 MTU=1492 davsys-gw.davsys.com (199.182.75.1) 6 ms 4 ms 4 ms > 2 198.211.141.1 (198.211.141.1) 345 ms 338 ms 338 ms > 3 h4-0-mae-west.netcom.net (163.179.232.90) 345 ms 345 ms 345 ms > 4 cpe1.hay.mci.net (198.32.136.72) 348 ms 343 ms 344 ms > 5 core3-hssi2-0.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.1.13) 379 ms 380 ms 378 ms > 6 204.70.2.174 (204.70.2.174) 560 ms 398 ms 444 ms > 7 204.70.2.174 (204.70.2.174) 431 ms 375 ms 384 ms > 8 labtam.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.189.216.150) 618 ms 575 ms 628 ms > 9 bc1-f10-s2-3.Brisbane.aone.net.au (203.102.128.213) 649 ms 636 ms 661 ms > 10 max1.Mackay.aone.net.au (203.61.61.129) 913 ms 721 ms 734 ms > 11 * max1.Mackay.aone.net.au (203.61.61.129) 720 ms !M=296 733 ms !M=296 > 11 MTU=296 eros.chalmers.com.au (203.1.96.4) 758 ms * 756 ms > 12 nanguo.chalmers.com.au (203.1.96.5) 753 ms 837 ms 763 ms > > Tcpdump shows that max1.Mackay.aone.net.au is responding correctly. > > 19:15:51.031682 max1.Mackay.aone.net.au > irbs.irbs.com: icmp: chalmers.com.au unreachable - nee > d to frag (mtu 296) > > John Capo From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 9 20:10:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA05918 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 20:10:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from sand.sentex.ca (sand.sentex.ca [206.222.77.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA05893 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 20:10:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from gravel (gravel.sentex.ca [205.211.165.210]) by sand.sentex.ca (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id XAA09552; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 23:16:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970209225927.00955640@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 22:59:31 -0500 To: Peter Carah From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: Terminal Servers? (which one) Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:39 AM 2/09/97 -0800, Peter Carah wrote: >In article <3.0.32.19970131094233.0099abe0@sentex.net> you write: >> >>At 01:23 AM 2/01/97 +1100, Andrew wrote: >>>Hi All, >>> >>>Well after all the comments about Annexes what do people recommend as a >>>terminal server for an ISP?. Looking for something expandable - starting >>>at 30 or so ports. Presumably support SLIP/CSLIP/PPP with authentication >>>on FreeBSD. Presumably they all will have ethernet of some form. How about >>>handling ISDN as well as analogue modems? AAny other helpful comments? >>> >>>Someone told me Pormasters had a habit of spontaneous reboots. Anyone else >>>heard this? >> >>Maybe they are running an old version of ComOS... We have several of them >>and like them VERY much... > >3.3.2 would reboot immediately if anyone attempted a PAP login on it. >They fixed it very quickly as 3.3.2c1 but THAT leaked memory like a sieve. >3.3.3 is fairly stable but still leaks memory some. I haven't tried later >than that. Note that several months production got shipped with 3.3.2 in >it; you had to upgrade immediately... I have 3 machines running 3.3.3 with uptimes of several months. One of the machines has 2 BRI cards in it as well, and typically, we have 80 days connect time. Our customers log in via slip, PPP cslip and plain old shell access. Most of our PPP customers are Win95 PAP customers along with some NT and Mac users. > >Except for those that got 3.3.2 with their box and had W95 users trying >to log in... Disaster city :-( Again, 3.3.3 I have found to be *VERY* stable, and very reliable. >Ours aren't quite that good. The primary cause of our reboots is the console >(pm_open or pm_term) application gets wedged and cancelled at the unix >(or windoze) end, and you cant start another till the box gets rebooted. >It would be nice to be able to kill the connection at the pm2 end without >a reboot. show netc reset n<#> Its in the Livingston FAQ. ---Mike From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Feb 10 00:29:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA18473 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 00:29:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from shadows.aeon.net (shadows.aeon.net [194.100.41.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA18452; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 00:28:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bsdisp@localhost) by shadows.aeon.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) id KAA26392; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:25:05 +0200 (EET) From: mika ruohotie Message-Id: <199702100825.KAA26392@shadows.aeon.net> Subject: Re: Problems? or denial of service attack? To: sadmin@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu (Security Administrator) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:25:05 +0200 (EET) Cc: rls@mail.id.net, walth@scanners.tec.mn.us, slaterm@excel.tnet.com.au, questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org, security@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199702082055.PAA21546@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu> from Security Administrator at "Feb 8, 97 03:55:41 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I don't build a machine with less than 128MB of swap, 43 is nothing, > We've got a machine with 128 Megs of on-board RAM. We STILL decided to > install twice the amount of cache (256 megs) split between two disks hmm... a while ago i fired up a machine with 128 megs ram and 4 scsi disks, each carrying 128 megs swap, total 512 megs swap. and when i will be adding more drives i will put those into the swap chain too... there's never "too much" swap i guess, specially since the drives comes cheapo. also i wonder the general filesystem setup the person has in his server, even though this might be slightly off topic, and basic knowledge, i think it doesnt hurt to say it out loud. =) i trust you isp people run your /var/mail on separate filesystem, right? (even going for several filesystems between clients is not too paranoid) the first thing an isp has to consider is someone attacking with denial of service attempts. and general question, how much mail space would be the "good" amount per customer? one/two/three megs? (assuming client doesnt save email on the server side) should the quota include mail space? should i restrict the mail size? i personally would quota, and give one meg max. mickey -- mika ruohotie super systems, finland net/sys admin mickey@supsys.fi mika@aeon.net From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Feb 10 06:43:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA05172 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 06:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.id.net (mail.id.net [199.125.1.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA05146; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 06:42:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.id.net (server.id.net [199.125.2.20]) by mail.id.net (8.7.5/ID-Net) with ESMTP id JAA21604; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 09:50:59 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Shady Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.8.2/8.7.3) id JAA27415; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 09:43:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702101443.JAA27415@server.id.net> Subject: Re: Packet filtering help please In-Reply-To: <32FD37FA.41C67EA6@whistle.com> from Julian Elischer at "Feb 8, 97 06:35:38 pm" To: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 09:43:12 -0500 (EST) Cc: rls@mail.id.net, tiller@connectnet.com, FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-ISP@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Also remember that the numbers are the 'rules numbers', they are > > parsed from highest to lowest, and everyone must be different. > > In the above example, it starts our like this > > > > RULE # > > ====== > > 65536 deny ip from any to any (Don't let ANYONE into this box by default) > > 10000 allow ip from all to all (Now allow EVERYONE into this box by default) > > 1000 deny ip from a.a.a.a (Now just deny people from a.a.a.a) > > > > And you could add... > > > > 999 deny ip from b.b.b.b (Now deny people from a.a.a.a & b.b.b.b) > > Boy is that confusing! > 1/ there can be more than one rule with ths same number.. ordering of > such rules is undefined. > 2/ the rules are parsed LOWEST to HIGHEST.. > > the rules are interpretted with an implied "OTHERWISE go on to the next > rule". > > while (rules to do) { > if (condition of next rule is true) { > if (rule is deny) > return FALSE; > else /* rule is accept */ > return TRUE; > } > rule++; /* move on to next rule */ > } > > > in other words the set above are: > > > 1000 If it's our pesky friend block it and go get the next packet. > otherwise, go on to the next rule. > 10000 Allow all packets not already thrown out. > 65535 *never reached * I stand corrected... -- Rob === _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Innovative Data Services Serving South-Eastern Michigan Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Feb 10 08:01:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA08802 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 08:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from main.netcorps.com (main.netcorps.com [205.149.1.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08795 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 08:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by main.netcorps.com (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA26941 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:59:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199702101559.HAA26941@main.netcorps.com> X-Authentication-Warning: main.netcorps.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Apache Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:59:21 -0800 From: Chris Bura Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, We've been using Apache as our web server on our BSD machines. Everything was fine untill about a month ago, when Apache decided it didn't want to do hostname resolving anymore. The load on the server wasn't that great: about 125 Virtual Hosts. Still no more than about 12 processes running at a time. So then we upgraded to the new version of Apache. This ones actually has a function where you can turn hostname resolving on or off. We turned it on, and nothing. Only IP addresses. We installed the same Apache on another server that wasn't handling virtual domains and it resolved the name just fine. So has anybody found a similar problem? Does it have to do with the number of V hosts? Is 125 really high? The process-wise it's definately not overloaded. Right now we're using the actuall domain names in the virtual server directives. Should we use the IP address instead? Would that ease the workload? Thanks Chris From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Feb 10 08:05:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA09035 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 08:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA09028; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 08:05:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0vty77-0008zRC; Mon, 10 Feb 97 07:57 PST Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: Problems? or denial of service attack? To: bsdisp@shadows.aeon.net (mika ruohotie) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:57:53 -0800 (PST) Cc: sadmin@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu, rls@mail.id.net, walth@scanners.tec.mn.us, slaterm@excel.tnet.com.au, questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199702100825.KAA26392@shadows.aeon.net> from "mika ruohotie" at Feb 10, 97 10:25:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > i personally would quota, and give one meg max. I don't quota, as I would be really pissed if my mail started bouncing if I got a flurry of mail. On my system, the average mailbox is 221K, the largest is 16Meg. -- Alan Batie ______ It's not my fault! It's some guy batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / named "General Protection"! +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Ratbert PGP FP: DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 \/ 7A 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Feb 10 11:49:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20927 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:49:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (CEDB.DPCSYS.com [207.124.154.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20921 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id TAA17875; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 19:33:59 GMT Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:33:59 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: Chris Bura cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache In-Reply-To: <199702101559.HAA26941@main.netcorps.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Feb 1997, Chris Bura wrote: > We've been using Apache as our web server on our BSD machines. Everything > was fine untill about a month ago, when Apache decided it didn't want to > do hostname resolving anymore. Apache just uses gethostbyaddr() to resolv addresses to names. Did you change anything in your DNS back then. Changed /etc/resolv.conf? Does nslookup work? > Does it have to do with the number of V hosts? Is 125 really high? It might. If you're running named on this machine it may be having problems caused by binding to all the addresses. If you are running named on this machine try turning it off and pointing to another nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf > Right now we're using the actuall domain names in the virtual server > directives. Should we use the IP address instead? Would that ease the > workload? It won't ease the workload but it does speedup startup and reloading a lot. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Feb 10 16:40:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA06145 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:40:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ism.net (root@optim.ism.net [205.226.96.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06139; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.70.203.107] (jdc-p3-107.alaska.net [198.70.203.107]) by ism.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21804; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 17:40:51 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199702100825.KAA26392@shadows.aeon.net> References: <199702082055.PAA21546@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu> from Security Administrator at "Feb 8, 97 03:55:41 pm" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 03:37:01 -0900 To: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org From: Russ Pagenkopf Subject: Quota for mail (was Re: Problems? or denial of service attack?) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:25 AM +0200 2/10/97, mika ruohotie wrote: >and general question, how much mail space would be the "good" amount per >customer? one/two/three megs? (assuming client doesnt save email on the >server side) should the quota include mail space? should i restrict >the mail size? > >i personally would quota, and give one meg max. I, personally ;-), would give everyone five meg. Why? 1) Because some people go on vacation for a couple weeks and need the space and I don't need to hassle of explaning why mail was bouncing for their friends. 2) > one meg attachments can be fairly common. 3) Ever had someone blow their quota by accident and then tried to figure out why popper wouldn't let them get their mail? Not pretty :-). 4) If you're using popper *most* people will be pulling their mail off the server anyway. 5) Besides, hard-drive space is cheap. 6) See 5, you'll make for happy customers. :-) rus rus Russ Pagenkopf (russ@ism.net) From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Feb 10 17:08:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA06145 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:40:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ism.net (root@optim.ism.net [205.226.96.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06139; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.70.203.107] (jdc-p3-107.alaska.net [198.70.203.107]) by ism.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21804; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 17:40:51 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199702100825.KAA26392@shadows.aeon.net> References: <199702082055.PAA21546@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu> from Security Administrator at "Feb 8, 97 03:55:41 pm" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 03:37:01 -0900 To: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org From: Russ Pagenkopf Subject: Quota for mail (was Re: Problems? or denial of service attack?) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:25 AM +0200 2/10/97, mika ruohotie wrote: >and general question, how much mail space would be the "good" amount per >customer? one/two/three megs? (assuming client doesnt save email on the >server side) should the quota include mail space? should i restrict >the mail size? > >i personally would quota, and give one meg max. I, personally ;-), would give everyone five meg. Why? 1) Because some people go on vacation for a couple weeks and need the space and I don't need to hassle of explaning why mail was bouncing for their friends. 2) > one meg attachments can be fairly common. 3) Ever had someone blow their quota by accident and then tried to figure out why popper wouldn't let them get their mail? Not pretty :-). 4) If you're using popper *most* people will be pulling their mail off the server anyway. 5) Besides, hard-drive space is cheap. 6) See 5, you'll make for happy customers. :-) rus rus Russ Pagenkopf (russ@ism.net) From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Feb 10 22:26:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA02015 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:26:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from excel.tnet.com.au (excel.tnet.com.au [203.15.94.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01995; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:26:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from slaterm@localhost) by excel.tnet.com.au (8.7.4/8.7.3) id OAA21763; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:31:20 +0800 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:31:19 +0800 (WST) From: Michael Slater To: That Doug Guy cc: FreeBSD Questions , "FreeBSD-ISP@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Packet filtering help please In-Reply-To: <199702081909.LAA11891@smtp.connectnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > kernel, and using ipfw would be my best bet. This issue has become > somewhat more urgent as our system is being attacked by a pesky (and > persistent) 15 year old. I never did receive an answer on how much If you know who is trying to break into you system and how, then why dont you just ring the police and have the little punk locked up. I believe they take a dim view of that sort of thing. Michael Slater slaterm@tnet.com.au From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Feb 11 05:35:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA20336 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 05:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.id.net (mail.id.net [199.125.1.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA20318; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 05:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.id.net (server.id.net [199.125.2.20]) by mail.id.net (8.7.5/ID-Net) with ESMTP id IAA02745; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:44:01 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Shady Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.8.2/8.7.3) id IAA12694; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:35:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702111335.IAA12694@server.id.net> Subject: Re: Packet filtering help please In-Reply-To: from Michael Slater at "Feb 11, 97 02:31:19 pm" To: slaterm@excel.tnet.com.au (Michael Slater) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:35:48 -0500 (EST) Cc: tiller@connectnet.com, FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-ISP@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > kernel, and using ipfw would be my best bet. This issue has become > > somewhat more urgent as our system is being attacked by a pesky (and > > persistent) 15 year old. I never did receive an answer on how much > > If you know who is trying to break into you system and how, then why dont > you just ring the police and have the little punk locked up. I believe > they take a dim view of that sort of thing. It really depends on the city, state, country, etc... Although in my experience, the police don't generally think twice about at least scaring the crap out of the little punk, even if they don't take him to jail... -- Rob === _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Innovative Data Services Serving South-Eastern Michigan Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Feb 11 08:35:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA03013 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:35:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [208.131.56.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA02993 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from devnull (devnull.calweb.com [208.131.56.69]) by mail.calweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA02963; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:33:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970211083120.009b2c70@pop.calweb.com> Warning: Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) will be returned to send in bulk X-Sender: jfesler@pop.calweb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:32:57 -0800 To: Dan Busarow , Chris Bura From: Jason Fesler Subject: Re: Apache Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:33 AM 2/10/97 -0800, Dan Busarow wrote: >> Does it have to do with the number of V hosts? Is 125 really high? > >It might. If you're running named on this machine it may be having >problems caused by binding to all the addresses. If you are running >named on this machine try turning it off and pointing to another >nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf We have *definately* seen this behavior; I've also read about this in an FAQ somewhere (where, I don't remember... the grey matter upstairs went on strike). We *tried* to run DNS on such a server (400 hosts), and it kept dying, not starting, etc *after* the IP aliases were defined. It would do fine if we started *before*. We ended up moving the DNS server to a different machine (it was only a secondary) instead of reading the source code due to time constraints. -- Jason Fesler jfesler@calweb.com Internic: 'whois jf319' Admin, CalWeb Internet Services http://www.calweb.com Junk email returned, in bulk, back to sender; w/copies to all postmasters. You got junk mail problems? Use Eudora Pro, MSIE's mail, or 'man procmail'. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Feb 11 10:54:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA10556 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:54:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (root@buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10549 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:54:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net (mmdf@buffnet1.buffnet.net [205.246.19.10]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA24302 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:54:37 -0500 Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net by buffnet1.buffnet.net id aa12853; 11 Feb 97 13:53 EST Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:53:37 -0500 (EST) From: Steve To: Jason Fesler cc: Dan Busarow , Chris Bura , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970211083120.009b2c70@pop.calweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, Jason Fesler wrote: > At 11:33 AM 2/10/97 -0800, Dan Busarow wrote: > >> Does it have to do with the number of V hosts? Is 125 really high? > > > >It might. If you're running named on this machine it may be having > >problems caused by binding to all the addresses. If you are running > >named on this machine try turning it off and pointing to another > >nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf > > We have *definately* seen this behavior; I've also read about this in > an FAQ somewhere (where, I don't remember... the grey matter upstairs > went on strike). We *tried* to run DNS on such a server (400 hosts), > and it kept dying, not starting, etc *after* the IP aliases were defined. > It would do fine if we started *before*. We ended up moving the DNS > server to a different machine (it was only a secondary) instead of > reading the source code due to time constraints. I had this happen - but I just upped some of the kernal config items - like max users, max opens, max procs, recompiled and it went away. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Feb 11 12:32:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA16218 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:32:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.connectnet.com (smtp.connectnet.com [207.110.0.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16205; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:32:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from wink.connectnet.com (Studded@wink.connectnet.com [206.251.156.23]) by smtp.connectnet.com (8.8.5/Connectnet-2.2) with SMTP id MAA09272; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:32:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199702112032.MAA09272@smtp.connectnet.com> From: "That Doug Guy" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Cc: "FreeBSD-ISP@freebsd.org" Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 12:32:02 -0800 Reply-To: "That Doug Guy" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: That Doug Guy's Registered PMMail 1.53 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Packet filtering help please Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:35:48 -0500 (EST), Robert Shady wrote: I wrote: >> > kernel, and using ipfw would be my best bet. This issue has become >> > somewhat more urgent as our system is being attacked by a pesky (and >> > persistent) 15 year old. I never did receive an answer on how much Another wrote: >> If you know who is trying to break into you system and how, then why dont >> you just ring the police and have the little punk locked up. I believe >> they take a dim view of that sort of thing. > >It really depends on the city, state, country, etc... Although in my >experience, the police don't generally think twice about at least >scaring the crap out of the little punk, even if they don't take him to >jail... We are taking legal action of course. In the US the agency responsible is the FBI since denial of service attacks are a federal crime. My thanks to all those who replied both privately and on the list. I received many helpful suggestions, and will be following up on them this week. Doug From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Feb 11 20:20:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA20558 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:20:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20536 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:20:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tm.net.my (janeway.tm.net.my [202.188.0.155]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA05392 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:18:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from Janeway (Janeway [202.188.0.155]) by mail.tm.net.my (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA04342; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:15:39 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:15:39 +0800 (SGT) From: Swee-Chuan Khoo X-Sender: sckhoo@Janeway To: Jim Shankland cc: allenh@wtrt.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Simple sendmail question In-Reply-To: <199701310128.RAA18024@saguaro.flyingfox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Solution: Either lose the wildcard MX (my personal preference), > or make sendmail on your mail server strip off any host stuff > to the left of wtrt.net before processing, so that, e.g., > "joebob@foobarola.wtrt.net" gets rewritten to "joebob@wtrt.net" > before it attempts delivery. isn't that a bit dangerous as some email id contain their domain there? From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Feb 11 23:18:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA11225 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 23:18:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from agni.nuko.com ([207.82.229.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA11220; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 23:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from vinay@localhost) by agni.nuko.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA10661; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 23:17:46 -0800 (PST) From: Vinay Kumar Message-Id: <199702120717.XAA10661@agni.nuko.com> Subject: Need a packet capture and playback utility To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 23:17:46 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi folks, I have been looking for a packet capture and playback utility. tcpdump does not suit my requirements. I am in the middle of some experimentation with network traffic simulations. I think it will be better if I describe what I am looking for. I need a IP packet capture utility which can store the entire IP packet. I also want a utility that can playback the stored packets (meaning sending it out on the network) honoring the time intervals. Meaning if there was a gap of 2.5 seconds between two consecutive IP packets, then it should playback the packets with the same gap. I tried checking the ftp.ee.lbl.gov and the Internet traffic archive but could not find a exact match for my requirements. Before I go off writing such a tool, I would like to find out if anyone know of such a tool? I appreciate any help. If anyone is interested in knowing what exactly I am doing, I will be more than glad to fill in the details. Thanks for any help. Vinay -- Vinay Bannai E-mail: vinay@agni.nuko.com (408)-526-0280 x 275 (Work) http://agni.nuko.com/~vinay From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 12 04:38:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA25889 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 04:38:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from al.imforei.apana.org.au (pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au [202.12.89.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA25882 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 04:38:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pjchilds@localhost) by al.imforei.apana.org.au (beBop) id XAA10820; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:08:13 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:08:13 +1030 (CST) From: Peter Childs Message-Id: <199702121238.XAA10820@al.imforei.apana.org.au> To: vinay@agni.nuko.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need a packet capture and playback utility X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 961020] Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <5drs3l$6at$1@al.imforei.apana.org.au> you wrote: : Hi folks, Gday! : I have been looking for a packet capture and playback utility. tcpdump : does not suit my requirements. I am in the middle of some experimentation : with network traffic simulations. I think it will be better if I describe : what I am looking for. I need a IP packet capture utility which can store ... I think the ipfilter package (see http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~avalon) might be able to help you with this, or at least give you a starting step. Regards, Peter -- Peter Childs --- http://www.imforei.apana.org.au/~pjchilds Finger pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au for public PGP key Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object! From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 12 10:48:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19314 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:48:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (kerouac.deepwell.com [207.212.140.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19271 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:47:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com ([207.212.140.204]) by kerouac.deepwell.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12198) with SMTP id AAA74 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:42:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970212104432.006a5088@deepwell.com> X-Sender: sol@deepwell.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:44:32 -0800 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Sol Rasmussen Subject: unsolicited Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I will make this short and sweet. We have 10 USR Courier 33.6 V.Everything modems available at $200 each, or $1500 for all ten. They have been sitting on a rack as an overflow modem pool for about 4 months. We're running an Ascend MAX 4000, and are no longer using those analog lines. All are in excellent condition, and are first come first serve. _______________________________________________ Sol Rasmussen Internet Presence Developer sol@deepwell.com http://www.deepwell.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 12 11:22:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21189 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21147 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:21:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id MAA13171; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:21:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.ampr.ab.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07717; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:14:39 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:14:38 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko X-Sender: marcs@alive.ampr.ab.ca To: Jason Fesler cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Apache In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970211083120.009b2c70@pop.calweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, Jason Fesler wrote: > At 11:33 AM 2/10/97 -0800, Dan Busarow wrote: > >> Does it have to do with the number of V hosts? Is 125 really high? > > > >It might. If you're running named on this machine it may be having > >problems caused by binding to all the addresses. If you are running > >named on this machine try turning it off and pointing to another > >nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf > > We have *definately* seen this behavior; I've also read about this in > an FAQ somewhere (where, I don't remember... the grey matter upstairs > went on strike). We *tried* to run DNS on such a server (400 hosts), > and it kept dying, not starting, etc *after* the IP aliases were defined. > It would do fine if we started *before*. We ended up moving the DNS > server to a different machine (it was only a secondary) instead of > reading the source code due to time constraints. There is a patch that someone (Mark Andrews?) made available once that adds a directive to specify which addreses named should listen on. I have it around somewhere, updated for a recent version of BIND, and can make it available if people want. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 12 11:24:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21276 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:24:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21254 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:23:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id MAA13179; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:22:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.ampr.ab.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07742; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:20:09 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:20:09 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko X-Sender: marcs@alive.ampr.ab.ca To: Chris Bura cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache In-Reply-To: <199702101559.HAA26941@main.netcorps.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Feb 1997, Chris Bura wrote: > So then we upgraded to the new version of Apache. This ones actually has > a function where you can turn hostname resolving on or off. We turned it > on, and nothing. Only IP addresses. > > We installed the same Apache on another server that wasn't handling virtual > domains and it resolved the name just fine. > > So has anybody found a similar problem? > > Does it have to do with the number of V hosts? Is 125 really high? > > The process-wise it's definately not overloaded. What happens if you do a nslookup x.x.x.x, on the web server, for one of the IP addresses in the logs? > > Right now we're using the actuall domain names in the virtual server > directives. Should we use the IP address instead? Would that ease the > workload? You are wise to use IP addresses. If you are using a 1.2 beta, you would also be wise to include a 'ServerName www.example.com' for each virtual host. 1.1 will look it up on startup, but if it fails it will still keep going. Because of the HTTP/1.1 support in 1.2, if either the forward or reverse lookups fail and you don't have the IP in the virtualhost definition and a servername for that host Apache will die. That is not the smartest behavior, since it should keep running even if one virtual host is unusable. I hope to get to fixing this sometime, but probably not before 1.2. As always, clean patches welcome. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 12 14:31:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00178 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 14:31:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.usac.edu.gt (ns.usac.edu.gt [168.234.52.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA00120; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 14:31:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by ns.usac.edu.gt; (5.65/1.1.8.2/10Jan97-1037AM) id AA26694; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 16:30:14 -0600 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 16:30:14 -0600 (GMT-0600) From: Victor Manuel Carranza Gonzalez Reply-To: Victor Manuel Carranza Gonzalez To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Help with TACACS+ and a Cisco 2511 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I know this question maybe does not belong to this mailing list, but... I am running TACACS+ on a FreeBSD 2.1.5 box, and need urgent help to configure the Cisco to send PPP authentication requests to the TACACS+ server. Cisco documentation sucks. If anyone can help me, please drop me a letter in my personal e-mail address, so I can explain the whole problem. Thanks in advance! Victor Carranza University of San Carlos Guatemala From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 12 16:50:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA07077 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 16:50:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.mti.net (ns1.mti.net [208.136.137.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07050; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 16:50:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [208.136.137.10] by ns1.mti.net (Netscape Mail Server v2.01) with SMTP id AAA14411; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:51:07 -0600 Message-ID: <12DB4B4D.6C58@mti.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 1980 07:12:29 -0700 From: webnetix@mti.net (Webnetix) Organization: ETI X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: PPP server dialing problems (ISDN) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone! -Just joined the group, and am majoryly stuck! Would anyone be able to help? I am configuring a FreeBSD box to act as a router to the Internet, but alas, I have lost nearly a week trying to get it going. Basic Problem. I seem to croak around the PAP, CHAP authentication. After PPP, TERM, atdt..., Where PPP man page says I should get a login/password, I get nothing. I have tried setting all sorts of sets like authkey, enable ppp, accept ppp, etc. No Luck, the auto ppp seems to always complain abount not getting a 'dstaddr' I think all is correct with my provider because I can dial in to him on a Win3.1 machine using trumpet winsock, and as long as I enable PAP, I connect. When I dial in UNIX like, I never see a login/passwd, and PPP never gets invoked. Show log shows CONNECTED! as the last log message. So I'm forcing a dial in ppp, the using TERM, but I can't authenticate using PAP or CHAP. I don't want to dial and use ppp manually, but it is the only way I can get it to dial my ISP. Even though I have entries in my ppp.conf file, they never seem to 'awaken' and dial anything. If I ever use ppp -auto -alias interactive, the OS responds: with a ppp usage statement telling me -alias isn't an option. I'm running 2.1.6 If I use ppp -auto demand, the OS responds: with some password messages, using tun0, but ending with ' must specify dstaddr with auto mode.' Here I'm just plain lost. My provider has given me a subnet of addresses, namely 208.136.137.96 - .111 these have a subnet of 255.255.255.240. Below on ifconfig lines you can see that I want .97 to be the PPP interface, My ISP also assigns this address to me upon connecting. Is this bad that he assignes me an address out of my subnet? Seemed weird to me. The ISP is using an Ascend MAX 1800 @208.136.137.5. I am using an Adtran Express XRT. Would anyone please send any helpful hints my way, if they have any ideas about what I am doing wrong getting up my ISDN connection to my uplevel provider? I'm emailable direct at webnetix@mti.net. Please see some of my basic configuration stuff below: Set Up History. ________________________________________________________________________________ # PPP Configuration File default: set device /dev/cuaa1 set speed 115200 disable pred1 deny pred1 disable lqr deny lqr set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" ATE1Q0M0 OK-AT-OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT" set phone 6854600 set redial 3 10 interactive: set authname loginn set authkey password set phone 6854600 set timeout 120 set openmode active accept chap demand: set authname loginn set authkey password set phone 6854600 set timeout 120 set openmode active accept chap set ifaddr 208.136.137.97/0 208.136.137.5/0 255.255.255.240 add 0 0 208.136.137.5 mti: set authname loginn set authkey password set phone 6854600 set timeout 120 set openmode active accept chap set ifaddr 208.136.137.97/0 208.136.137.5/0 255.255.255.240 add 0 0 208.136.137.5 ________________________________________________________________________________ # ppp.linkup file demand: delete ALL add 0 0 HISADDR 208.136.137.97: add 0 0 HISADDR ________________________________________________________________________________ # This is sysconfig - highlites from # this domain is not yet secured. hostname=serv1.domain.com network_interfaces="lo0 tun0 ed1" ifconfig_lo0="inet localhost" ifconfig_ed1="inet 208.136.137.98 netmask 255.255.255.240 broadcast 208.136.137.111" ifconfig_tun0="inet 208.136.137.97 208.136.137.5 netmask 0xfffffff0" static_routes="" defaultrouter=NO router="routed" routerflags=-s mrouted=NO sendmail_flags="-bdm" gateway="YES" firewall=NO My sincere thanks for anyone's help regarding my problem. -Scott From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 12 17:24:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA08815 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from saguaro.flyingfox.com (saguaro.flyingfox.com [204.188.109.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA08775; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:24:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jas@localhost) by saguaro.flyingfox.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA11133; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:19:42 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:19:42 -0800 From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199702130119.RAA11133@saguaro.flyingfox.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, webnetix@mti.net Subject: Re: PPP server dialing problems (ISDN) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Be sure you say "disable chap" as well as "accept chap". Otherwise, your end will accept the Ascend's CHAP request, but will also ask the Ascend to authenticate itself to you using CHAP; the Ascend will likely not be happy about that. This seems to be a feature of ppp (the software, not the protocol) :-(. Here's my conf entry for talking to a Pipe50, with authname, authkey, and ifaddr altered. Replace "pap" with "chap" if you need to, plug in your own values for authname, authkey, and ifaddr, and give it a try. ascend: disable pap disable chap disable lqr disable vjcomp deny vjcomp deny lqr accept pap set authname XXXXXXXX set authkey YYYYYYYY set ifaddr 1.2.3.4 5.6.7.8 Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 12 18:01:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA11046 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:01:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (labs.usn.blaze.net.au [203.17.53.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA11037 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:01:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from davidn@localhost) by labs.usn.blaze.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17733; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:00:29 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19970213130028.37962@usn.blaze.net.au> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:00:28 +1100 From: David Nugent To: Marc Slemko Cc: Chris Bura , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache References: <199702101559.HAA26941@main.netcorps.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61 In-Reply-To: ; from Marc Slemko on Feb 02, 1997 at 12:20:09PM Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Feb 02, 1997 at 12:20:09PM, Marc Slemko wrote: > > Right now we're using the actuall domain names in the virtual server > > directives. Should we use the IP address instead? Would that ease the > > workload? > > You are wise to use IP addresses. If you are using a 1.2 beta, you would > also be wise to include a 'ServerName www.example.com' for each virtual > host. 1.1 will look it up on startup, but if it fails it will still keep > going. Because of the HTTP/1.1 support in 1.2, if either the forward or > reverse lookups fail and you don't have the IP in the virtualhost > definition and a servername for that host Apache will die. FWIW, 1.1 dies also under the same circumstances due to a NULL dereference on what should be the resolved hostname. Regards, David Nugent - Unique Computing Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia Voice +61-3-9791-9547 Data/BBS +61-3-9792-3507 3:632/348@fidonet davidn@freebsd.org davidn@blaze.net.au http://www.blaze.net.au/~davidn/ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 13 02:13:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA01818 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 02:13:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from deepo.prosa.dk ([193.89.187.27]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA01813 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 02:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.4/prosa-1.1) id LAA04944; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:12:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:12:04 +0100 From: regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk (Philippe Regnauld) To: jfesler@calweb.com (Jason Fesler) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MS Front Page Extensions v2.0 References: <3.0.32.19970129082631.009d6ec0@pop.calweb.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.58 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-BETA_A i386 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970129082631.009d6ec0@pop.calweb.com>; from Jason Fesler on Jan 29, 1997 08:27:25 -0800 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jason Fesler (jfesler) ecrit/writes: > At 09:41 AM 1/29/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Don't you have to run apache as root in order to get the > >Frontpage extensions to work? This is what i read in the docs -- > >if there's another option, please let us know. Say, maybe off topic (and late), but I get a bad connection even with 128 kbps to www.rtr.com. I've tried downloading the extensions _3_ times, and it hangs around 1,6MB every time... Anybody got it for grabs ? I filled in their form enough already... -- -- Phil -[ Philippe Regnauld / Systems Administrator / regnauld@prosa.dk ]- -[ Location.: +55.4N +11.3E PGP Key: finger regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk ]- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 13 07:10:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA16415 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 07:10:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from anacreon.sol.net (anacreon.sol.net [206.55.64.116]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA16392 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 07:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by anacreon.sol.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA10750; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:09:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id JAA06403; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:09:25 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199702131509.JAA06403@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: Net connection guidelines To: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 9:09:19 CST Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Alan Batie" at Feb 13, 97 08:59:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Recently, I saw a nice little summary of bandwidth guidelines, e.g. if > you're reselling T1's, you need one upstream T1 for every 4 downstream > T1's, plus something similar for end users (x 28.8's -> 56K, y 28.8's -> T1) > Of course, now that I've been asked about such metrics, I've lost the > reference. Any ideas? Thanks... It's all dependent on your utilization patterns. If your customers are not really _using_ the T1 too much, you can overcommit fifty to one (I know some organizations that approached that number). If you have folks like me living on a downstream T1, you'll be lucky to get two to one. Four to one is probably a reasonable "worst case" guess, you should be able to go as high as ten to one, as long as the organizations that you are connecting are not whapping the daylights out of their links. Any more detailed advice requires some analysis of your existing network traffic (or, if you don't have any yet, you need to set it up and _see_). When pricing your services, remember this: Many ISP's are looking to cover the cost of their existing (single) T1 when they price their services. That is almost invariably a mistake, in my opinion. You should assume that it will take you two T1's (to different providers) to get reliable single-T1 bandwidth. That may change somewhat when you grow, but historically it's been easier to lower prices a bit down the road than to raise them. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 13 07:37:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA17955 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 07:37:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from anacreon.sol.net (anacreon.sol.net [206.55.64.116]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA17939 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 07:37:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by anacreon.sol.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA10877; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:37:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id JAA06597; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:37:02 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199702131537.JAA06597@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: News server, 2.1.6.1 vs 2.2 To: jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (John Hay) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 9:36:54 CST Cc: spork@super-g.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199701230635.IAA03421@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> from "John Hay" at Jan 23, 97 08:35:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Any thoughts? Anyone else running 2.2 on a news server? > > I'm running a news server on 3.0-CURRENT of November 14th, which is about > the same as 2.2-ALPHA. I haven't had a panic yet..... touch wood. I am > using INN 1.5.1 with it. Running 2.2-CURRENT on newsfeeds.sol.net, inn1.5.1. It's hard to compare to 2.1.5 for several reasons. I have a 2.1.5 box similarly configured, running inn1.4unoff4. newsfeeds is a PPro200 with 256MB RAM, the other's a P200 with 256MB RAM. My impression is that 2.2-C handles VM thrashing differently, because interactive response starts to go downhill when things get busy. On the other hand, I/O performance seems spectacular. No panics, no real complaints, it's fast and efficient. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 13 08:37:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA22321 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 08:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net [154.32.106.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22316 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 08:37:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from nadt.org.uk by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id PAA27029; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:46:01 GMT Received: from infodev.nadt.org.uk (infodev.nadt.org.uk [194.155.224.205]) by charlie.nadt.org.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA00343 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:24:55 GMT Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:24:55 GMT Posted-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:24:55 GMT Message-Id: <199702131424.OAA00343@charlie.nadt.org.uk> X-Website: http://www.innotts.co.uk/~nadt X-Sender: robmel@wrcmail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: isp@freebsd.org From: Robin Melville Subject: ATM Frame Relay vs P2P? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any thoughts/experience of the benefits or otherwise of hooking to backbone via ATM Frame Relay as opposed to Point to Point? Any contributions greatly received. Thankx. Rob. -------------------------------------------------------- Robin Melville, Addiction & Forensic Information Service Nottingham Alcohol & Drug Team (Extn. 49178) Vox: +44 (0)115 952 9478 Fax: +44 (0)115 952 9421 Email: robmel@nadt.org.uk WWW: http://www.innotts.co.uk/nadt/ --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 13 10:26:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29047 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:26:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from avon-gw.uk1.vbc.net (jdd@avon-gw.uk1.vbc.net [194.207.2.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29039 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:26:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jdd@localhost) by avon-gw.uk1.vbc.net (8.8.2/8.7.3) id SAA00840; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:26:27 GMT Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:26:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Dixon X-Sender: jdd@avon-gw.uk1.vbc.net To: Robin Melville cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATM Frame Relay vs P2P? In-Reply-To: <199702131424.OAA00343@charlie.nadt.org.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Robin Melville wrote: > Does anyone have any thoughts/experience of the benefits or otherwise of > hooking to backbone via ATM Frame Relay as opposed to Point to Point? If you mean IP-over-frame-over-ATM is offered by MFS, for example, the overheads involved are small and the service is for all practical purposes point-to-point. We can only comment upon MFS's service in detail by private mail ;-) Some carriers drop packets mercilessly; this can seriously disrupt TCP/IP traffic. You get your bandwidth, but if you lose a single ATM cell a frame relay packet is lost, and if you lose an IP packet you lose bandwidth because of TCP retransmissions. It's not the protocol that's the problem, it's the carrier that needs checking out. -- Jim Dixon VBCnet GB Ltd http://www.vbc.net tel +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 13 10:50:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00695 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:50:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00676 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:50:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA12248; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:54:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970213135001.00cb7e20@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:50:03 -0500 To: Robin Melville From: dennis Subject: Re: ATM Frame Relay vs P2P? Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 02:24 PM 2/13/97 GMT, you wrote: >Does anyone have any thoughts/experience of the benefits or otherwise of >hooking to backbone via ATM Frame Relay as opposed to Point to Point? > >Any contributions greatly received. Are you talking about ATM or Frame Relay or both? You dont want ATM on a relatively slow WAN link...theres way too much overhead (small packets.....)...Some frame relay nets use ATM as their backbone (on high speed T3 links)... Frame is advantageous when it saves you hops....ie a hop through a frame switch is faster than a hop through a router. Since frame is less distance-sensitive, you can get closer to "the net" with frame, often in 1 hop rather than through a busy POP somewhere. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 13 11:11:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01681 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01467; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA12334; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:09:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970213140425.00c16c70@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:04:28 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: dennis Subject: ET users Lists Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, linuxisp@lightning.com, inet-access@earth.com, bsdi-users@bsdi.com, bsdi-isps@bsdi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Our list is back online, but you have to re-subscribe. We dont run it, so we're not sure what happened. Sorry of the inconvenience. See http://www.etinc.com/etlist.htm for details. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 13 11:44:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA03458 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03449 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:44:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA00643; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:41:46 GMT Message-ID: <33036E7A.2781E494@cablenet.net> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:41:46 +0000 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linuxisp@lightning.com CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: [COMMERCIAL] PoP dialer/server monitor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My apologies for posting a commercial email to the lists and I'll try to keep it short. Sometimes people ask questions about monitoring services that are addressed by the two programs contained in a suite (of PC programs) we have just released. PoP Sentry Dial your PoP at intervals to check you can login and play a siren if it fails. Has graphing facilites to see failures over time. Server Sentry Connect to any kind of server and check the expected response. As above with sirens/graphing etc. Both applications are setup in minutes and very easy to use and are priced at $50 each or $75 for both. http://www.cablenet.net/cablenet/netsentry/ regards damian -- Wanted - new or slightly used interesting and witty sig. Must be in reasonable condition with not too much wear. Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 13 12:24:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05721 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:24:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (kerouac.deepwell.com [207.212.140.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05716 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from lovecraft.deepwell.com ([207.212.140.204]) by kerouac.deepwell.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12198) with SMTP id AAA195 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:20:02 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970213122124.00691900@deepwell.com> X-Sender: sol@deepwell.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:21:25 -0800 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org From: Sol Rasmussen Subject: unsolicited Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Once again... I got so many re:'s from the modems... I thought I would throw this one out as well... **************** 1. Cisco 2500 router w/software................$1500.00 -and a- 2. Prelude Encore T1 CSU/DSU made by Digital Link.... not sure what we are asking right now, but if your interested, make a bid... by the time I get responses, I'll probably know. **************** _______________________________________________ Sol Rasmussen Internet Presence Developer sol@deepwell.com http://www.deepwell.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 13 16:01:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19857 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:01:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from vic.cioe.com (ns1.cioe.com [204.120.165.37]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19645; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:58:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by vic.cioe.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA19011; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:57:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:57:34 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Ames Message-Id: <199702132357.SAA19011@vic.cioe.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: radius and cisco Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been beating my head against a wall this entire day (going on 10 hours). Can _anyone_, please, tell me what I'm doing wrong here. I've got a cisco 2511 running Cisco IOS 11.1.9. I've got it configured to run radius. Compile radius straight out of the ports directory. Modified the clients and users files and ran radiusd. So far so good. Telnetted over to the 2511 and got %Access Denied. *sigh* Added tons of debugging information to the authentication.c and funcs.c files and ran it it again. Near as I can track down the encryption used by the radius port and the cisco 2511 are different... or their keys are. My router configuration looks basically like this: radius-server host 204.120.165.37 radius-server key testing aaa authentication login default radius local My clients file has only one line: 204.120.165.39 testing My users file looks thustly (basically just used the sample): ----CUT HERE--- fred Password = "flint" Filter-Id = "unlim" steve Authentication-Type = Unix-PW Filter-Id = "unlim" DEFAULT Authentication-Type = Unix-PW Filter-Id = "unlim" # These "canonical" user entries are searched for after matching a user # from one of the above user entries (including the DEFAULT entry), but # only if that first entry did not specify a "Service-Type" attribute. # The server does this by matching the "hint" supplied by the client in # the "Service-Type" attribute found in the request. # # This feature allows the same user id to be used for either PPP, SLIP, # dumb-terminal or other access. Note: the "Authentication-Type = None" # check item on each of the following entries prevents it from ever being # treated as a normal user id. # # The server checks for eight "Service-Type" values (Login, <>, # Callback-Login, Callback-Framed, Outbound-User, Administrative-User, # Exec-User and Authenticate-Only) and equates them with the "dumbuser", # <<"pppuser", "slipuser",>> "cblogin", "cbframed", "obuser", "admin", # "execuser" and "authonly" entries. The first three users are shown: dumbuser Authentication-Type = None Service-Type = Login, Login-Service = Telnet, Login-IP-Host = 255.255.255.255 pppuser Authentication-Type = None Service-Type = Framed, Framed-Protocol = PPP, Framed-IP-Netmask = 255.255.255.0, Framed-Routing = None, Framed-MTU = 1500, Framed-Compression = Van-Jacobson-TCP-IP slipuser Authentication-Type = None Service-Type = Framed, Framed-Protocol = SLIP, Framed-IP-Netmask = 255.255.255.0, Framed-Routing = None, Framed-MTU = 1500, Framed-Compression = Van-Jacobson-TCP-IP ----ENDS---- Anyone got any ideas? (need help badly) -Steve From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 13 18:03:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA27653 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:03:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27642 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA27379; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:03:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:03:31 -0500 (EST) From: Bradley Dunn X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net To: Marc Slemko cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Apache In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, Marc Slemko wrote: > > Right now we're using the actuall domain names in the virtual server > > directives. Should we use the IP address instead? Would that ease the > > workload? > > You are wise to use IP addresses. If you are using a 1.2 beta, you would > also be wise to include a 'ServerName www.example.com' for each virtual > host. 1.1 will look it up on startup, but if it fails it will still keep > going. Because of the HTTP/1.1 support in 1.2, if either the forward or > reverse lookups fail and you don't have the IP in the virtualhost > definition and a servername for that host Apache will die. It is a double-edged sword. Using IP addresses means that if you ever renumber you have to go through and change every VirtualHost. I guess a perl script could kinda automate that, but my rule of thumb is no IP addresses in any config file they don't have to be in. On a more general note... Renumbering is a fact of life. All of us should be keeping that in mind when we are designing our networks. See: http://www.isi.edu/div7/pier/ for more info. pbd From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 14 00:54:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA19529 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 00:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (Radford.i-Plus.net [206.99.237.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA19524 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 00:54:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from abyss (pitlord@abyss.i-Plus.net [206.99.237.42]) by Radford.i-Plus.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA01755; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 03:54:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702140854.DAA01755@Radford.i-Plus.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Troy Settle" To: isp@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 04:07:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-to: rewt@i-Plus.net CC: raw.value.of.a.sysadmin@Radford.i-Plus.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can someone help me with a personal problem? Since my introduction to PC's 2 1/2 years ago, I've taught myself how to use DOS and Windows. 2 years ago, I got introduced to FreeBSD and Linux. For reasons I can't understand now, I went with linux for a long time. About 8 months ago, I made the switch to FreeBSD, and have been here ever since. 3 months ago, my boss approached me, and asked if I was comfortable enough with UNIX and networking in general to set up an ISP. I said "sure, why not? If nothing else, it'll be worth the learning experience." 1 month ago, we went live. Our T1 and PRI got installed, and I got my first taste at what it takes to run an ISP. Last week, we started taking on customers. We've been getting 2-5 people signing up per day, and it looks like the rate will increase soon. What I need to know, is what am I worth? I feel that I'm worth a hell of a lot more than I'm making right now, even with out a college degree. I'm sinking the better part of my availiable time into this, and am seeing very little gratification and compensation. Am I worth $20k? $30k? more? So far, the most pleasurable part of my job, has been talking to customers that needed assistance in getting their software configured properly. (yeah, I'm doing tech support too) -- Troy Settle Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services http://www.i-Plus.net ( Stuff I said does not reflect the company I work ) ( for unless I'm speaking on behalf of said company ) From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 14 01:19:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA20666 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 01:19:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from nero.in-design.com (root@nero.in-design.com [204.157.146.146]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA20659 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 01:18:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nero.in-design.com (info@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nero.in-design.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA04445 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 04:19:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 04:19:06 -0500 (EST) From: Intuitive Design Info cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATM Frame Relay vs P2P? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970213135001.00cb7e20@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Since we are on the subject... What have people's experience been with SMDS vs. Frame Relay or a DS1? All at simular streams. General feelings, some of the pricing and the like? Thanks alot in advance. PS: how many units do you think a 1.5 SMDS support? From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 14 03:18:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA27044 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 03:18:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from multi22.netcomi.com (tucker@multi22.netcomi.com [204.58.155.222]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA27032 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 03:18:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tucker@localhost) by multi22.netcomi.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA09697; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 05:18:12 -0600 Received: from pcg.com (pcg.com [207.98.153.4]) by multi22.netcomi.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA09692 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 05:18:05 -0600 Received: (from bin@localhost) by pcg.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA12782 for linuxisp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:32:18 -0700 Message-ID: <33036E7A.2781E494@cablenet.net> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:41:46 +0000 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: linuxisp@lightning.com CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: [Linux-ISP] [COMMERCIAL] PoP dialer/server monitor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: tucker@transnetional.com To: tucker@udb.transnetional.com Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My apologies for posting a commercial email to the lists and I'll try to keep it short. Sometimes people ask questions about monitoring services that are addressed by the two programs contained in a suite (of PC programs) we have just released. PoP Sentry Dial your PoP at intervals to check you can login and play a siren if it fails. Has graphing facilites to see failures over time. Server Sentry Connect to any kind of server and check the expected response. As above with sirens/graphing etc. Both applications are setup in minutes and very easy to use and are priced at $50 each or $75 for both. http://www.cablenet.net/cablenet/netsentry/ regards damian -- Wanted - new or slightly used interesting and witty sig. Must be in reasonable condition with not too much wear. Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To [un]subscribe to this list, contact linuxisp-request@lightning.com Please send contributions for the mailing list to: linuxisp@lightning.com Please contact the mailing-list-owner as: linuxisp-owner@lightning.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 14 04:00:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA28512 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 04:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from spooky.eis.net.au (spooky.eis.net.au [203.12.171.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA28481 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 04:00:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ernie@localhost) by spooky.eis.net.au (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA23654 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 22:00:28 +1000 (EST) From: Ernie Elu Message-Id: <199702141200.WAA23654@spooky.eis.net.au> Subject: Aliases To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 22:00:28 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, in the past I have been running freebsd-2.1.6 and decided to upgrade one of my web servers to freebsd 2.2-GAMMA, the upgrade went fine except for 3 single i/p aliases that I had that were all bound to ed0 ie. ifconfig ed0 alias a.b.c.d netmask 0xffffffff ifconfig ed0 alias e.f.g.h netmask 0xffffffff etc. After rebooting with the 2.2-GAMMA kernel ony the first of the 3 aliases could be pinged. I played around for a while with no luck so I tried binding the 3 aliases to the lo device instead of ed0 and all worked fine. I am happy to leave it that way but I would like someone to share any ideas as to what happened between 2.1.6 and 2.2-GAMMA to make the original config break. The upgrade technique I used was to install all the 2.2-GAMMA source tree and do a make world then rebuild the kernel. - Ernie. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 14 05:29:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA05119 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 05:29:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA05111 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 05:29:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@sinbin.demos.su [194.87.2.95] with ESMTP id QAA23190; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:15:24 +0300 Received: by sinbin.demos.su id QAA27425; (8.6.12/D) Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:15:01 +0300 From: bag@sinbin.demos.su (Alex G. Bulushev) Message-Id: <199702141315.QAA27425@sinbin.demos.su> Subject: Re: Aliases To: ernie@spooky.eis.net.au (Ernie Elu) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:15:01 +0300 (MSK) Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199702141200.WAA23654@spooky.eis.net.au> from "Ernie Elu" at Feb 14, 97 10:00:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME7a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi, > in the past I have been running freebsd-2.1.6 and decided to upgrade one of > my web servers to freebsd 2.2-GAMMA, the upgrade went fine except for 3 > single i/p aliases that I had that were all bound to ed0 > > ie. > > ifconfig ed0 alias a.b.c.d netmask 0xffffffff > ifconfig ed0 alias e.f.g.h netmask 0xffffffff correct is: ifconfig lo0 alias e.f.g.h netmask 0xffffffff ^^^ arp -s e.f.g.h 1:2:3:4:5:6 pub ^^^^^^^^^^^ arp for ed0 all aliases on lo0, aliases on ed0 etc sometimes not work :) Alex > > etc. > > After rebooting with the 2.2-GAMMA kernel ony the first of the 3 aliases > could be pinged. I played around for a while with no luck so I tried binding > the 3 aliases to the lo device instead of ed0 and all worked fine. > > I am happy to leave it that way but I would like someone to share any ideas > as to what happened between 2.1.6 and 2.2-GAMMA to make the original config > break. > > The upgrade technique I used was to install all the 2.2-GAMMA source tree > and do a make world then rebuild the kernel. > > - Ernie. > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 14 07:33:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA11307 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 07:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from smokey.prismnet.com (root@smokey.prismnet.com [205.166.246.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11297 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 07:33:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from greg@localhost) by smokey.prismnet.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id JAA28702; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 09:33:05 -0600 (CST) From: Greg Stringfellow Message-Id: <199702141533.JAA28702@smokey.prismnet.com> Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <199702140854.DAA01755@Radford.i-Plus.net> from Troy Settle at "Feb 14, 97 04:07:50 am" To: rewt@i-Plus.net Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 09:33:05 -0600 (CST) Cc: isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Troy Settle said: > What I need to know, is what am I worth? I feel that I'm worth a > hell of a lot more than I'm making right now, even with out a college > degree. I'm sinking the better part of my availiable time into this, > and am seeing very little gratification and compensation. Am I worth > $20k? $30k? more? It really depends on which part of the country you live in and how much actual work experience you've got. Or at least it does to the bean counters. For a good estimate, try Pencom Systems web page. It's http://www.pencom.com and they've got an online salary survey that works wonders sometimes. Hope this helps. Greg -- Greg Stringfellow PrismNet, Inc. Network Administration WWW Pages, ISDN, Telnet, Dialup Accounts Phone: (512)-418-1568 "According to my calculations the problem doesn't exist." From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 14 07:37:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA11582 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 07:37:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (labs.usn.blaze.net.au [203.17.53.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11577 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 07:37:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from davidn@localhost) by labs.usn.blaze.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA19973; Sat, 15 Feb 1997 02:36:53 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19970215023653.54222@usn.blaze.net.au> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 02:36:53 +1100 From: David Nugent To: Ernie Elu Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Aliases References: <199702141200.WAA23654@spooky.eis.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61 In-Reply-To: <199702141200.WAA23654@spooky.eis.net.au>; from Ernie Elu on Feb 02, 1997 at 10:00:28PM Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Feb 02, 1997 at 10:00:28PM, Ernie Elu wrote: > in the past I have been running freebsd-2.1.6 and decided to upgrade one of > my web servers to freebsd 2.2-GAMMA, the upgrade went fine except for 3 > single i/p aliases that I had that were all bound to ed0 > > ie. > > ifconfig ed0 alias a.b.c.d netmask 0xffffffff > ifconfig ed0 alias e.f.g.h netmask 0xffffffff > > etc. > > After rebooting with the 2.2-GAMMA kernel ony the first of the 3 aliases > could be pinged. I played around for a while with no luck so I tried binding > the 3 aliases to the lo device instead of ed0 and all worked fine. > > I am happy to leave it that way but I would like someone to share any ideas > as to what happened between 2.1.6 and 2.2-GAMMA to make the original config > break. Strangely enough, I had exactly the opposite happen. With 2.1.5 and the ed0 driver, adding an alias would often result in crashing the system or it simply not working. i put them all on the loopback and they worked fine from that point. When I upgraded the system to 2.2-BETA (haven't gone to gamma yet), I was able to put them back on the ed0 interface without experiencing the same problems. > The upgrade technique I used was to install all the 2.2-GAMMA source tree > and do a make world then rebuild the kernel. I did the same, with 2.2-BETA. Regards, David Nugent - Unique Computing Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia Voice +61-3-9791-9547 Data/BBS +61-3-9792-3507 3:632/348@fidonet davidn@freebsd.org davidn@blaze.net.au http://www.blaze.net.au/~davidn/ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 14 08:31:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA14206 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 08:31:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@usr1-dialup40.Denver.mci.net [204.189.201.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14201 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 08:31:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02580; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 08:39:49 -0700 Message-ID: <33048743.453CBA79@denverweb.net> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 08:39:48 -0700 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rewt@i-Plus.net CC: isp@freebsd.org, raw.value.of.a.sysadmin@Radford.i-Plus.net Subject: Re: What am I worth? References: <199702140854.DAA01755@Radford.i-Plus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Troy Settle wrote: > > Can someone help me with a personal problem? > > What I need to know, is what am I worth? I feel that I'm worth a > hell of a lot more than I'm making right now, even with out a college > degree. I'm sinking the better part of my availiable time into this, > and am seeing very little gratification and compensation. Am I worth > $20k? $30k? more? Good question... Here is an opine and short sermon: :-) If you are satisfied with being an employee, you job is whatever someone offers you, and you accept. no more. After you have demontrated an ability to perform, and have enough of a track record, get out there and find out what others are willing to offer you. If you get genuine offers, that is what your skills are worth. Now, your current employer has a couple choices. pay you more, possibly a matching wage, or you move on to bigger and better things. He will have to take the risk of finding someone who can replace you with what HE thinks the job is worth. As an employer, it is in my best interest to pay someone commensurate with with the value they add to the company. When their skill sets improve, or they are asked to perform new duties, then the negotiation for an increased wage should be based on the new role, and the cost of replacing them with someone of equivilent skills and experiance. As a business owner, it is _MY_ ass out on a limb, _MY_ money, _MY_ tax liabilities, _MY_ failure if things go wrong. I am taking all the risk. An employee takes very little risk. They do a job, they get paid. End of obligation. The business owner / employer is always indebted to the employee for; wages earned until paid, for paying Unemployment taxes, FICA taxes, Workers comp taxes, ( yeah, yeah, they CALL it insurance... anything mandatory is a f^%king tax. ) and for all the other expenses associated with hiring an employee. The employee has _ZERO_ obligation. they can walk off the job tommorow, change jobs, etc. When the employee decides to call it quits, the are releived of all obligations, unless there is a formal contract. I know you probibly want some numbers... that varies widely on the geographic location, current market, etc. Look in the paper for similar listings. My best guess would be mid to upper 20's for a newbie, with limited formal training and no "job" experiance in the area. In some places that would be lower 20's, in other areas, lower 30's. With more experiance, and more training comes more $$. Want even more? Then take the risk yourself. Get thee thy own servers, routers, T-1, etc.Then your job is whatever is left over at the end of the month. ( that will be a negative balance for a while in most cases. ) _IF_ you have the expertise, technical ability, business savvy, and 80+ hours per week of time, you just might make a go of it, or you may fail and lose everything. But, that will take some dough to get started. So, save it up... Do without the nights out, the movies, the social life. Get a cheaper apartment, drive a clunker, or ride a bike to work. Apply for a loan, find investors, whatever it takes to raise the capital. Ask around, and you will find most of us made some sacrifices, and worked our ass off to make the business go. we put the buiness ahead of almost everything. some have lost their families trying to be sucsessful, others even their life cut short with heart attacks from the stress. Risk and Reward go hand in hand. Very few people ever got rich working for someone else. I hope you can appreciate BOTH sides of the equation, and best of luck to you. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 14 10:08:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20260 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from itesocci.gdl.iteso.mx (itesocci.gdl.iteso.mx [148.201.1.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20255 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:08:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (cacho@localhost) by itesocci.gdl.iteso.mx (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA03211; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:08:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:08:44 -0600 (CST) From: Hector Gonzalez Jaime To: Ernie Elu cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Aliases In-Reply-To: <199702141200.WAA23654@spooky.eis.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Ernie Elu wrote: > ifconfig ed0 alias a.b.c.d netmask 0xffffffff > ifconfig ed0 alias e.f.g.h netmask 0xffffffff we sometimes need to add a route to the aliased interface, and when that is done, it always works (ed0 aliases, 2.1.x, I've had this aliases with routes since 2.1 ) I've even tried it now with 3.0-current as of two weeks ago, and it works, just add the following lines after you ifconfig your aliases: route -n add a.b.c.d 127.0.0.1 route -n add e.f.g.h 127.0.0.1 (the -n prevents the dns lookup, I'm too impatient :) From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Feb 15 15:34:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA24470 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Feb 1997 15:34:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from avon-gw.uk1.vbc.net (jdd@avon-gw.uk1.vbc.net [194.207.2.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24465 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 1997 15:34:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jdd@localhost) by avon-gw.uk1.vbc.net (8.8.2/8.7.3) id XAA09730; Sat, 15 Feb 1997 23:34:04 GMT Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 23:34:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Dixon X-Sender: jdd@avon-gw.uk1.vbc.net To: Intuitive Design Info cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATM Frame Relay vs P2P? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Intuitive Design Info wrote: > Since we are on the subject... What have people's experience been > with SMDS vs. Frame Relay or a DS1? All at simular streams. General > feelings, some of the pricing and the like? SMDS has very very high overheads. As I recall you get 1.07 Mbps over a 1.544 Mbps T1. Avoid it. Frame relay has acceptable overheads and is usually significantly cheaper than a straight T1. -- Jim Dixon VBCnet GB Ltd http://www.vbc.net tel +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015