From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 2 10:50:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA25184 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 10:50:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from TomQNX.tomqnx.com (ott-pm1-26.comnet.ca [206.75.140.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA25124 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 10:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by TomQNX.tomqnx.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0w1GNO-0008HIC; Sun, 2 Mar 97 13:52 EST Message-Id: From: tom@tomqnx.com (Tom Torrance at home) Subject: Re: proxy aware ftp client To: ernie@spooky.eis.net.au (Ernie Elu) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:52:50 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703020204.MAA25141@spooky.eis.net.au> from Ernie Elu at "Mar 2, 97 12:04:01 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I doubt if it is what you are looking for as it isn't interactive, but check out the wget utility which is proxy aware and will do mirroring etc. > Does anyone know of a command line ftp client that will work with the squid > proxy cache? ncftp does not, and the author says he is not about to add proxy > support. > > -Ernie. > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 3 04:13:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA25672 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 04:13:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from deepo.prosa.dk ([193.89.187.27]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA25665 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 04:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.4/prosa-1.1) id NAA29350; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:17:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:17:52 +0100 From: regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk (Philippe Regnauld) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: 3Com router to PPP on FreeBSD X-Mailer: Mutt 0.58 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-BETA_A i386 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I'm building a dialup server using a FreeBSD box with a Cyclades card -- the modems are 4 x ZyXEL TA with V.34 + ISDN. I have remote offices over the country that will be dialing in -- most of them use 3Com routers (NETBuilder Remote Office). Will this equipment be able to dial-up to the ZyXEL TAs and run vanilla PPP between itself and the FreeBSD box ? Am I crazy ? -- -- Phil -[ Philippe Regnauld / Systems Administrator / regnauld@prosa.dk ]- -[ Location.: +55.4N +11.3E PGP Key: finger regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk ]- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 3 08:23:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10652 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10632 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:23:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA10009; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:30:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970303112150.00b26890@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 11:21:52 -0500 To: regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk (Philippe Regnauld), freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: dennis Subject: Re: 3Com router to PPP on FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:17 PM 3/3/97 +0100, Philippe Regnauld wrote: >Hi all, > > I'm building a dialup server using a FreeBSD box with a Cyclades > card -- the modems are 4 x ZyXEL TA with V.34 + ISDN. > > I have remote offices over the country that will be dialing in -- > most of them use 3Com routers (NETBuilder Remote Office). > > Will this equipment be able to dial-up to the ZyXEL TAs and > run vanilla PPP between itself and the FreeBSD box ? Am I crazy ? It will work assuming that you are running async on the 3COM. isdn must be either sync or async on both sides of the connection. Dennis Emerging Technologies, Inc. Router cards for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and Linux Standalone Routers Bandwidth Allocation/Limiter Manager http://www.etinc.com sales@etinc.com (516) 271-4525 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 3 10:54:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20883 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:54:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from aebeard.technion.ac.il (aebeard.technion.ac.il [132.68.146.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20852 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:54:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (yuri@localhost) by aebeard.technion.ac.il (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA08998; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:52:55 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:52:55 +0200 (IST) From: Yuri Gindin To: "Vnotchenko S.S." cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199702271733.UAA20701@ns.extech.msk.su> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Vnotchenko S.S. wrote: > answers and choosen following configuration for ours main host: > --- > CPU: PPRO 200Mhz, 256K cache > MB: ASUSTEK P65UP5 > RAM: 64 Mb EDO RAM > SCSI HA: Adaptec 2940UW I'd recommend Adaptec 3940 UW (two channels) > SCSI HDD: 4x2GB Seagate barracuda Fujitsu Ultra SCSI, I think is better then Seagate > SCSI CD-ROM: 8x NEC SCSI > Ethernet: 3c595 This cards are discontinued by 3com. I also had problems with early revision of these cards, use 3c905 XL --Yuri. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 4 01:03:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA07883 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 01:03:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from deepo.prosa.dk ([193.89.187.27]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA07869 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 01:03:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.4/prosa-1.1) id KAA27900; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:08:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:08:08 +0100 From: regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk (Philippe Regnauld) To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3Com router to PPP on FreeBSD References: <3.0.32.19970303112150.00b26890@etinc.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.58 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-BETA_A i386 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970303112150.00b26890@etinc.com>; from dennis on Mar 3, 1997 11:21:52 -0500 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk dennis (dennis) ecrit/writes: > > It will work assuming that you are running async on the 3COM. isdn must > be either sync or async on both sides of the connection. Can do. Thanks for info -- what about using iijppp in auto mode, and having the link go up from any side when traffic occurs ? -- -- Phil -[ Philippe Regnauld / Systems Administrator / regnauld@prosa.dk ]- -[ Location.: +55.4N +11.3E PGP Key: finger regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk ]- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 4 06:56:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA25094 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 06:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from blue.bad.bris.ac.uk (blue.bad.bris.ac.uk [137.222.132.60]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA25088 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 06:56:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mh6225@localhost) by blue.bad.bris.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03655 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 14:57:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: blue.bad.bris.ac.uk: mh6225 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 14:57:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Matt Hamilton X-Sender: mh6225@blue.bad.bris.ac.uk To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Mail problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Recently I have been finding lots of errors showing up in our sendmail logs. Most of the errors are from clients sending messages to/from Russia and I know the lines are very slow and not very good quality there, but some of the messages also seem to be coming from other non-russian sites too. Here is a transcript of some of the errors: Feb 19 03:44:36 boris sendmail[4016]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR: putoutmsg (p243-n130.dip.aha.ru): error on output channel sending "220 boris.clintondale.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.8.3/8.7.3; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 03:44:36 -0500 (EST)": Broken pipe Feb 19 06:41:11 boris sendmail[4467]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR: putoutmsg (p197-n130.dip.aha.ru): error on output channel sending "220 boris.clintondale.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.8.3/8.7.3; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 06:41:11 -0500 (EST)": Broken pipe Feb 19 22:19:35 boris sendmail[7217]: WAA07217: SYSERR(root): collect: I/O error on connection from p233-n130.dip.aha.ru, from=: Connection reset by p233-n130.dip.aha.ru Feb 21 05:32:14 boris sendmail[11868]: FAA11868: SYSERR(root): collect: I/O error on connection from p173-n130.dip.aha.ru, from=: Connection reset by p173-n130.dip.aha.ru Feb 21 08:16:20 boris sendmail[12233]: IAA12233: SYSERR(root): collect: I/O error on connection from lee-as2s22.erols.com, from=: Connection reset by lee-as2s22.erols.com Feb 24 17:46:22 boris sendmail[25020]: RAA25020: SYSERR: putoutmsg (matt.clintondale.com): error on output channel sending "250 ... Recipient ok (will queue)": Broken pipe Mar 2 07:54:32 boris sendmail[15676]: HAA15676: SYSERR(root): collect: I/O error on connection from p162-n66.dip.aha.ru, from=: Operation timed out with p162-n66.dip.aha.ru Any idea what the problems are? I am running 2.1.6 with Sendmail 8.8.3/8.7.3 -Matt ------------------------------[ Matt Hamilton ]-------------------------------- System Administrator System Administrator Badock Hall Clintondale Aviation Bristol University, UK Clifton Park, NY, USA http://www.bad.bris.ac.uk http://www.clintondale.com mh6225@bris.ac.uk matt@clintondale.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 4 08:51:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA29905 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:51:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from anacreon.sol.net (anacreon.sol.net [206.55.64.116]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29892; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:51:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by anacreon.sol.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA09198; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:50:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id KAA03199; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:50:35 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199703041650.KAA03199@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: SOLVED: 2.1.7 and Tripwire ftruncate() fun To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 97 10:50:34 CST Cc: agifford@infowest.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, craigs@os.com In-Reply-To: <2586.856830858@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 24, 97 04:34:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Upon rebuilding Tripwire and reinstalling it, all appears to be working well! > > Great, now if we could just get you to make a *port* of this, all that > wonderful special-case knowledge would be encapsulated in a nice, easy > to swallow pill for the less wizardly among us. :-) I wrote a port for this a while back, and posted a note about its existence a month ago or so. (Where do I go with it from here?) ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/tripwire.tgz Woo hoo! Make sure to look at the Makefile to note a bit of install-time magic that you can have it do for you, if you're lazy like me. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 4 14:28:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA20251 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 14:28:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from argus.acpub.duke.edu (argus.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20245 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 14:28:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from louis (async251-30.async.duke.edu [152.3.251.30]) by argus.acpub.duke.edu (8.7.1/Duke-3.0) with SMTP id RAA29362; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:23:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970304222350.006ea500@chem.duke.edu> X-Sender: reese@chem.duke.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 17:23:50 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Charles Reese Subject: HELP: tun ifconfig for dialin lines Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Could someone please post an example for the ifconfig line in sysconfig for tun devices (ie ifconfig_tun0= ) for dialin lines. I have looked at the handbook, but the example is for a dialout line. What do I put for the ISP (me) address and the remote (customer) address with dynamic addressing. Also, should I use the actual netmask used by my ethernet (255.255.255.224) or something else. Thanks Charlie Reese ------------------------------------------------------------- Charles E. Reese * * Durham, NC 27710 * Buy Sell Trade CDs * 919-660-1585 * NO MIDDLEMAN * 919-544-7217 * TOTALLY FREE * * http://trader.ourway.com * reese@chem.duke.edu * * ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 4 14:53:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA21694 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 14:53:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from starbase.globalpc.net ([207.211.100.102]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21687 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 14:52:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from agonzalez@localhost) by starbase.globalpc.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) id QAA23097; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:58:56 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:58:56 -0600 (CST) From: Adrian Gonzalez To: Yuri Gindin cc: "Vnotchenko S.S." , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Yuri Gindin wrote: > On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Vnotchenko S.S. wrote: > > > answers and choosen following configuration for ours main host: > > --- > > CPU: PPRO 200Mhz, 256K cache > > MB: ASUSTEK P65UP5 > > RAM: 64 Mb EDO RAM > > SCSI HA: Adaptec 2940UW > I'd recommend Adaptec 3940 UW (two channels) > > SCSI HDD: 4x2GB Seagate barracuda > Fujitsu Ultra SCSI, I think is better then Seagate > > SCSI CD-ROM: 8x NEC SCSI > > Ethernet: 3c595 > This cards are discontinued by 3com. I also had problems with > early revision of these cards, use 3c905 XL > --Yuri. I just installed freebsd 2.1.7 on a pentium machine with 2 3com 3c900 Etherlink XL PCI cards (I believe the 3c59x were dicontinued in favor of the 3c90x). Needles to say, It worked like a charm :) regards -Adrian From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 4 18:36:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA12533 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:36:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12436 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:35:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA22462; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:50:25 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:50:24 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Charles Reese cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HELP: tun ifconfig for dialin lines In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970304222350.006ea500@chem.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Charles Reese wrote: > Could someone please post an example for the ifconfig line in sysconfig for > tun devices (ie ifconfig_tun0= ) for dialin lines. I have looked at the Don't. The ifconfig is handled by ppp when it receives a call. > handbook, but the example is for a dialout line. What do I put for the ISP > (me) address and the remote (customer) address with dynamic addressing. > Also, should I use the actual netmask used by my ethernet (255.255.255.224) > or something else. You should use the netmask of the remote network. The netmask in a point-to-point interface (pppX, tunX, slX) applies to the remote end address, not the local end address. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 5 01:20:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA04408 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 01:20:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.extech.msk.su (ns.extech.msk.su [193.124.244.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA04342 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 01:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from Shine.extech.msk.su (shine.extech.msk.su [193.124.244.35]) by ns.extech.msk.su (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA15660; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:19:09 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <199703050919.MAA15660@ns.extech.msk.su> From: "Vnotchenko S.S." To: "Adrian Gonzalez" , "Yuri Gindin" Cc: Subject: Re: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:19:08 +0300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Adrian Gonzalez > To: Yuri Gindin > Cc: Vnotchenko S.S. ; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD > Date: среда 5 марта 1997 1:58 > > > > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Yuri Gindin wrote: > > > On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Vnotchenko S.S. wrote: > > > > > answers and choosen following configuration for ours main host: > > > --- > > > CPU: PPRO 200Mhz, 256K cache > > > MB: ASUSTEK P65UP5 > > > RAM: 64 Mb EDO RAM > > > SCSI HA: Adaptec 2940UW > > I'd recommend Adaptec 3940 UW (two channels) > > > SCSI HDD: 4x2GB Seagate barracuda > > Fujitsu Ultra SCSI, I think is better then Seagate > > > SCSI CD-ROM: 8x NEC SCSI > > > Ethernet: 3c595 > > This cards are discontinued by 3com. I also had problems with > > early revision of these cards, use 3c905 XL > > --Yuri. > > I just installed freebsd 2.1.7 on a pentium machine with 2 3com 3c900 > Etherlink XL PCI cards (I believe the 3c59x were dicontinued in favor of > the 3c90x). Needles to say, It worked like a charm :) > Hmmm... I see NO mention about 3c9XX cards in HARDWARE.TXT, RELNOTES.TXT nor /sys/i386/conf/LINT...So, DOES it supported in 2.1.7R or NOT? If, yes, what is kernel's options for it? > regards > > -Adrian Thanks, Sergey. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 5 03:24:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA09327 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 03:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA09308 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 03:24:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA17249 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:21:53 GMT Message-ID: <331D5751.3F54BC7E@cablenet.net> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 11:21:53 +0000 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: radius aware pop3 server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I want to set up a pop3 server but I only have user details in a radius database. What can I do ? Does anyone have one ? regards damian -- * PIAB - PoP In A Box - the total solution for ISPs, with more features * than a Constable landscape, and freely avaliable too!! * http://www.cablenet.net/cablenet/popinabox/ * Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 5 06:34:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA20749 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 06:34:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA20741 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 06:34:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA11640 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 07:04:42 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA15688 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 06:30:11 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 06:30:10 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: radius aware pop3 server In-Reply-To: <331D5751.3F54BC7E@cablenet.net> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Damian Hamill wrote: > I want to set up a pop3 server but I only have user details in a radius > database. What can I do ? Does anyone have one ? Hack the POP server to use RADIUS to authenticate the user. This shouldn't be too hard if you grab a copy of Merit RADIUS since it comes with a RADIUS client program that can be used to test the RADIUS server. Just borrow the code from there. IMHO, RADIUS authentication should be available as a config option everywhere passwd lookups are used such as in the login command, ftp server, etc. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 5 07:44:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA23186 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 07:44:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from jennifer.pernet.net (jennifer.pernet.net [205.229.0.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA23174 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 07:44:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from neal@localhost) by jennifer.pernet.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA04888; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:44:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:44:15 -0600 (CST) From: Neal Rigney To: Michael Dillon cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: radius aware pop3 server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Michael Dillon wrote: [snip] > IMHO, RADIUS authentication should be available as a config option > everywhere passwd lookups are used such as in the login command, ftp > server, etc. [snip] I've thought about doing this also(patching in RADIUS), but how would you handle simple getpw*() calls? The Radius specs(as I read them) *require* a password to be transmitted in auth packets. The only thing I could think of is to hack the server to accept a "generic" password to return passwd info. Any thoughts? Am I just crazy? -- Neal Rigney, PERnet Communications, (409)729-4638 neal@mail.pernet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 5 09:07:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA27708 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from bear.beyond2000.co.uk (bear.beyond2000.co.uk [194.217.248.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27701 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:07:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from bear.beyond2000.co.uk (bear.beyond2000.co.uk [194.217.248.11]) by bear.beyond2000.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA12007; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:12:43 GMT Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:12:43 +0000 () From: Bernard Jauregui To: Damian Hamill cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: radius aware pop3 server In-Reply-To: <331D5751.3F54BC7E@cablenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Damian et al CamNet, the Cambridge FreeNet have built a database application which supports Radius, NIS and a plethora of other ISP functions. Our POP server uses an NIS map to identify user mailboxes. This is of course very scalable. We didn't design it as a commercial product, rather it grew out of necessity. All the protocol daemons are written as modules in the Database app. There are also a number of admin modules for sales, finance, user edits, etc... If anyone is interested in this I can explain more on the list or perhaps more appropriately directly via email. BJ --- Bernard Jauregui Director - Cambridge FreeNet Ltd - UK T:+44 1223 500600 F:+44 1223 500601 W:www.cam.net.uk On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Damian Hamill wrote: > I want to set up a pop3 server but I only have user details in a radius > database. What can I do ? Does anyone have one ? > > regards > damian > > -- > * PIAB - PoP In A Box - the total solution for ISPs, with more features > * than a Constable landscape, and freely avaliable too!! > * http://www.cablenet.net/cablenet/popinabox/ > * Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 5 09:53:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00288 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:53:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from aebeard.technion.ac.il (aebeard.technion.ac.il [132.68.146.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00254 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (yuri@localhost) by aebeard.technion.ac.il (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA13129; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:45:00 +0200 (IST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:45:00 +0200 (IST) From: Yuri Gindin To: "Vnotchenko S.S." cc: Adrian Gonzalez , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199703050919.MAA15660@ns.extech.msk.su> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Vnotchenko S.S. wrote: > > > This cards are discontinued by 3com. I also had problems with > > > early revision of these cards, use 3c905 XL > > > --Yuri. > > > > I just installed freebsd 2.1.7 on a pentium machine with 2 3com 3c900 > > Etherlink XL PCI cards (I believe the 3c59x were dicontinued in favor of > > > the 3c90x). Needles to say, It worked like a charm :) > > > Hmmm... I see NO mention about 3c9XX cards in HARDWARE.TXT, RELNOTES.TXT > nor /sys/i386/conf/LINT...So, DOES it supported in 2.1.7R or NOT? > If, yes, what is kernel's options for it? Sergey, look in /sys/pci/if_vx_pci.c, I worked with this card with 2.2 and also 3.0. Works well. --Yuri. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 5 10:20:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02711 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:20:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from starbase.globalpc.net ([207.211.100.102]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02706 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:20:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from agonzalez@localhost) by starbase.globalpc.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA24194; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:27:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:27:31 -0600 (CST) From: Adrian Gonzalez To: Eddie Fry cc: Yuri Gindin , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <331DA19A.7C6C@eaznet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Eddie Fry wrote: > Adrian, > > Where did you get drivers for the 3c90x? I can't find them. I've had a > 3c90x card sitting on my shelf for months waiting for the driver. > > Thanks, > > Eddie I used the vx driver (the same one used for the 3c59x). At first I wasn't sure what to use, as nobody seemed to know, but I looked in the mailing list archives and saw some suggestions to use the vx driver. It worked just fine :) cheers -Adrian From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 5 16:24:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA24249 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:24:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24244; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA00620; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:39:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:39:28 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: "safe" fingerd Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been hunting around for a finger(d) that will not follow symlinks, truncate overly long .plan and .project files, etc. The included one (2.1.7) will happily follow any symlink and seems to have no limits on how long the .plan/.project file is. GNU-finger seems even worse. Anyone know if what I'm looking for exists? If I knew my C I'd modify lprint.c in /usr/src/usr.bin/finger to not follow symlinks and truncate output, but I just don't know enough C to do this. Any help/input appreciated, Charles From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 5 16:24:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA24284 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:24:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from tok.qiv.com ([204.214.141.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24269 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:24:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tok.qiv.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id SAA18534; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:23:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (jdn@localhost) by acp.qiv.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA00541; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 19:40:27 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: acp.qiv.com: jdn owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 19:40:27 -0600 (CST) From: "Jay D. Nelson" To: Robin Melville cc: Andy Cowan , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Exchange Server getting email In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970228174340.006c6a00@wrcmail> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'll vote for UUCP as well. I routinely see twice the throughput with dialup UUCP vs. TCP/IP. If the only reason a customer connects is for mail, connect time is cut in half and if a connect fails, the user rarely notices. He also doesn't need an IP address. -- Jay On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Robin Melville wrote: -> ->>At 13:57 28/02/97 +0000, you wrote: ->>>On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Rob Simons wrote: ->>>>What I do is tell people to get a UUCP gateway program (I usually ->>> ->>>This gets my vote too. UUCP is so much more efficient for routine batched ->>>mail collection. ->> ->At 15:18 28/02/97 +0000, Andy Cowan wrote: ->>In what way - I'm not disagreeing - just curious. -> ->Routine dial-up mail transfer works well via uucp because it: -> ->* only holds the line open for the duration of the transaction (our average ->is around 5 mins per weekday @ 28kb/s nominal); ->* is a batch transfer protocol, so overheads are low; ->* has been around for ever so is robust; ->* integrates (fairly) easily with most MTAs; ->* doesn't use TCP/IP and so is infinitely more secure; ->* can coexist with autoppp [if we were allowed to which we're not ;)]. -> ->The only downside is latency, because mail only gets exchanged when you poll ->(hourly or whatever). -> ->If we had a full time Internet connection, I'd use SMTP, no question. But ->since we don't, I've served our entire mail domain with uucp at low cost for ->around 18 months with nary a glitch. -> ->Rob. -> ->-------------------------------------------------------- ->Robin Melville, Addiction & Forensic Information Service ->Nottingham Alcohol & Drug Team (Extn. 49178) ->Vox: +44 (0)115 952 9478 Fax: +44 (0)115 952 9421 ->Email: robmel@nadt.org.uk ->WWW: http://www.innotts.co.uk/nadt/ ->--------------------------------------------------------- -> From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 6 00:35:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA04754 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 00:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.extech.msk.su (ns.extech.msk.su [193.124.244.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA04743 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 00:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from Shine.extech.msk.su (shine.extech.msk.su [193.124.244.35]) by ns.extech.msk.su (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA16666 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:36:43 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <199703060836.LAA16666@ns.extech.msk.su> From: "Vnotchenko S.S." To: Subject: Re: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:36:41 +0300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, all! There was one more discussion about Ethernet card for ${Subj}. We came to follow configuration: OS: FreeBSD 2.1.7R CPU: PPRO 200Mhz, 256K cache MB: ASUSTEK P65UP5 RAM: 64 Mb EDO RAM SCSI HA: Adaptec 2940UW SCSI HDD: 4x2GB Seagate barracuda SCSI CD-ROM: 8x NEC SCSI Ethernet: 3c905 PCI XL Release notes on 2.1.7R doesn't tell about support of 3c905 PCI cards, but I've got 1 acknowledgment that it works under 2.1.7R and found detection code for it. BTW, there minor mistake in code 2.1.7R - it will claim "3COM 3C595 Fast Etherlink XL PCI" instead "3COM 3C905 Fast Etherlink XL PCI". Best regards, Sergey. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 6 05:14:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA17973 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 05:14:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from nero.in-design.com (root@nero.in-design.com [204.157.146.146]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA17955; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 05:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from archive@localhost) by nero.in-design.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA09058; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:15:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:15:43 -0500 (EST) From: Intuitive Design Archive To: David Ramahefason cc: freebsd-ports@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is there a tool for IP traffic accounting ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, David Ramahefason wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm looking for a tool to count the IP traffic from one IP to the rest of > the world.... > Is ipfw the only way ? > > Thanks for answering How about a IP counter for aliases? How do people generally do megabyte accounting for virtual websites? Thanks in advance Intuitive Design Archive http://www.in-design.com archive@in-design.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 6 06:48:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA21368 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 06:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.intercenter.net (mir.intercenter.net [207.211.128.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA21359 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 06:48:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8564 invoked from network); 6 Mar 1997 14:48:11 -0000 Received: from bigboy.intercenter.net (207.211.128.17) by mir.intercenter.net with SMTP; 6 Mar 1997 14:48:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:48:11 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bickers To: Intuitive Design Archive cc: David Ramahefason , freebsd-ports@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is there a tool for IP traffic accounting ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Intuitive Design Archive wrote: > > I'm looking for a tool to count the IP traffic from one IP to the rest of > > the world.... > > Is ipfw the only way ? > > > > Thanks for answering > > How about a IP counter for aliases? > > How do people generally do megabyte accounting for > virtual websites? It may not be the best solution, but I've been running nnstat with a simple config that sums up the bytes to/from the given IP address into each customers "bucket". A perl script gathers the info from it's log. It's been running unmodified without problems for 2 years now. nnstat makes use of the fact that ethernet is broadcast (it's pretty much a sniffer) so the machine must be located where all the traffic will pass. --- Ron From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 6 07:00:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA21988 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:00:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from casimir.easynet.fr (casimir.easynet.fr [194.51.27.235]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA21907; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 06:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from casimir.easynet.fr (casimir.easynet.fr [194.51.27.235]) by casimir.easynet.fr (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08480; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:57:57 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:57:56 +0100 (MET) From: David Ramahefason To: Ron Bickers cc: Intuitive Design Archive , freebsd-ports@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is there a tool for IP traffic accounting ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Ron Bickers wrote: > > It may not be the best solution, but I've been running nnstat with a > simple config that sums up the bytes to/from the given IP address into > each customers "bucket". A perl script gathers the info from it's log. > It's been running unmodified without problems for 2 years now. > > nnstat makes use of the fact that ethernet is broadcast (it's pretty much > a sniffer) so the machine must be located where all the traffic will pass. Hi ron, Where could I found this tools ? Cheers |David Ramahefason, rama@easynet.fr,systems@easynet.fr| |Administrateur Systeme/Reseau, Easynet France SA | |Think different Think BSD http://www.FreeBSD.org | |Wrap around probs with Python http://www.python.org | From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 6 07:09:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA22517 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:09:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.intercenter.net (mir.intercenter.net [207.211.128.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA22498 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:09:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8848 invoked from network); 6 Mar 1997 15:09:08 -0000 Received: from bigboy.intercenter.net (207.211.128.17) by mir.intercenter.net with SMTP; 6 Mar 1997 15:09:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:09:08 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bickers To: David Ramahefason cc: Intuitive Design Archive , freebsd-ports@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is there a tool for IP traffic accounting ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, David Ramahefason wrote: > > Where could I found this tools ? ftp://ftp.bsdi.com/contrib/networking/NNStat32-bsdi.tar.gz It's a BSDI port but compiled under FreeBSD 2.1.7 with a few Makefile changes and another minor change I can't recall. You'll know when you try to compile it. --- Ron From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 6 07:38:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA24460 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:38:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA24454; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:38:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0w2fEr-0008zXC; Thu, 6 Mar 97 07:37 PST Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: Is there a tool for IP traffic accounting ?? To: archive@in-design.com (Intuitive Design Archive) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:37:48 -0800 (PST) Cc: rama@easynet.fr, freebsd-ports@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Intuitive Design Archive" at Mar 6, 97 08:15:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I'm looking for a tool to count the IP traffic from one IP to the rest of > > the world.... > > Is ipfw the only way ? netramet is general purpose network analysis tool (it stands for Network Traffic Meter). ftp://ftp.auckland.ac.nz/pub/iawg/NeTraMet > How do people generally do megabyte accounting for > virtual websites? A perl script on the log file. -- Alan Batie ______ It's not my fault! It's some guy batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / named "General Protection"! +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Ratbert PGP FP: DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 \/ 7A 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 6 08:26:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA26853 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:26:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26845; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA03642; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:33:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970306112303.00a12d1c@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 11:23:07 -0500 To: Ron Bickers , Intuitive Design Archive From: dennis Subject: Re: Is there a tool for IP traffic accounting ?? Cc: David Ramahefason , freebsd-ports@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freefall.freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:48 AM 3/6/97 -0500, Ron Bickers wrote: >On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Intuitive Design Archive wrote: > >> > I'm looking for a tool to count the IP traffic from one IP to the rest of >> > the world.... >> > Is ipfw the only way ? >> > >> > Thanks for answering >> >> How about a IP counter for aliases? >> >> How do people generally do megabyte accounting for >> virtual websites? > >It may not be the best solution, but I've been running nnstat with a >simple config that sums up the bytes to/from the given IP address into >each customers "bucket". A perl script gathers the info from it's log. >It's been running unmodified without problems for 2 years now. > >nnstat makes use of the fact that ethernet is broadcast (it's pretty much >a sniffer) so the machine must be located where all the traffic will pass. > >--- >Ron > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 6 13:37:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA13223 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13218 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from aebeard.technion.ac.il (aebeard.technion.ac.il [132.68.146.67]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA02829 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:36:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (yuri@localhost) by aebeard.technion.ac.il (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA16023; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:34:04 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:34:04 +0200 (IST) From: Yuri Gindin To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: peter@haywire.dialix.com Subject: HDLC errors in ppp. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I usually used modem on my computer running FreeBSD2.2 and 3.0 as dialin service and everything worked fine. Once I mentioned that users can connect and in log there are errors. I have 3.0 current with USR Sportster 28800. and tun device compiled in the kernel. here is a log: Any clue ? Thaks in advance, --Yuri. 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] Listening at 3000. 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] PPP Started. 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] Packet mode enabled 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] LCP: state change Initial --> Closed 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] LCP: SendConfigReq 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] ACFCOMP 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] PROTOCOMP 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] ACCMAP [6] 00000000 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] MRU [4] 1500 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] MAGICNUM [6] ec060298 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] LCP: state change Closed --> Req-Sent 03-06 22:53:53 [15796] *Connected! 03-06 22:53:55 [15796] LCP: SendConfigReq 03-06 22:53:55 [15796] ACFCOMP 03-06 22:53:55 [15796] PROTOCOMP 03-06 22:53:55 [15796] ACCMAP [6] 00000000 03-06 22:53:55 [15796] MRU [4] 1500 03-06 22:53:55 [15796] MAGICNUM [6] ec060298 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] LCP: Received Configure Request (1) state = Req-Sent (6) 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] ACCMAP 000a0000 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] MAGICNUM 0046de94 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] PROTOCOMP 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] ACFCOMP 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] ???[0d] 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] LCP: SendConfigRej(Req-Sent) 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] ???[0d] 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] LCP: Received Configure Request (2) state = Req-Sent (6) 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] ACCMAP 000a0000 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] MAGICNUM 0046de94 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] PROTOCOMP 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] ACFCOMP 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] LCP: SendConfigAck(Req-Sent) 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] ACCMAP 000a0000 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] MAGICNUM 0046de94 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] PROTOCOMP 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] ACFCOMP 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] LCP: state change Req-Sent --> Ack-Sent 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] LCP: SendConfigReq 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] ACFCOMP 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] PROTOCOMP 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] ACCMAP [6] 00000000 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MRU [4] 1500 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MAGICNUM [6] ec060298 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] LCP: Received Configure Ack (3) state = Ack-Sent (8) 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] LCP: state change Ack-Sent --> Opend 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] LCP: LayerUp 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] Phase: Network 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: state change Initial --> Closed 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP Up event!! 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: SendConfigReq 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPADDR [6] 132.68.146.67 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] COMPPROTO [6] 002d0f00 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: state change Closed --> Req-Sent 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP: state change Initial --> Closed 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP Up event!! 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP: SendConfigReq 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP: state change Closed --> Req-Sent 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: Received Configure Request (1) state = Req-Sent (6) 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] COMPPROTO[6] 002d0f01 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPADDR[6] 0.0.0.0 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MS NS req 129:0.0.0.0 ok - ack 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MS NBNS req 130:0.0.0.0 ok - ack 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MS NS req 131:0.0.0.0 ok - ack 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MS NBNS req 132:0.0.0.0 ok - ack 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: SendConfigNak(Req-Sent) 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPADDR[6] 132.68.146.211 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP: Received Configure Request (1) state = Req-Sent (6) 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MSPPC[6] 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] STAC[5] 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP: SendConfigRej(Req-Sent) 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MSPPC[6] 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] STAC[5] 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: Received Configure Ack (1) state = Req-Sent (6) 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: state change Req-Sent --> Ack-Rcvd 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP: Received Configure Reject (1) state = Req-Sent (6) 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP: RecvConfigRej. 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] PRED1[2] 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP: SendConfigReq 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: Received Configure Request (2) state = Ack-Rcvd (7) 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] COMPPROTO[6] 002d0f01 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPADDR[6] 132.68.146.211 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MS NS req 129:0.0.0.0 ok - ack 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MS NBNS req 130:0.0.0.0 ok - ack 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MS NS req 131:0.0.0.0 ok - ack 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MS NBNS req 132:0.0.0.0 ok - ack 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: SendConfigAck(Ack-Rcvd) 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] COMPPROTO[6] 002d0f01 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPADDR[6] 132.68.146.211 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: state change Ack-Rcvd --> Opend 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: LayerUp. 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] myaddr = 132.68.146.67 hisaddr = 132.68.146.211 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] found interface vx0 for proxy arp 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] OsLinkup: 132.68.146.211 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP: state change Req-Sent --> Ack-Rcvd 03-06 22:54:01 [15796] CCP: Received Configure Request (2) state = Ack-Rcvd (7) 03-06 22:54:01 [15796] CCP: SendConfigAck(Ack-Rcvd) 03-06 22:54:01 [15796] CCP: state change Ack-Rcvd --> Opend 03-06 22:54:01 [15796] CCP: LayerUp. 03-06 22:54:01 [15796] myproto = 0, hisproto = 0 03-06 22:54:01 [15796] CCP: Received Terminate Request (3) state = Opend (9) 03-06 22:54:01 [15796] CCP: LayerDown. 03-06 22:54:01 [15796] CCP: SendTerminateAck 03-06 22:54:01 [15796] CCP: state change Opend --> Stopping 03-06 22:58:58 [15796] HDLC errors -> FCS: 4 ADDR: 0 COMD: 0 PROTO: 0 03-06 22:59:58 [15796] HDLC errors -> FCS: 1 ADDR: 0 COMD: 0 PROTO: 0 03-06 23:01:58 [15796] HDLC errors -> FCS: 1 ADDR: 0 COMD: 0 PROTO: 0 03-06 23:03:58 [15796] HDLC errors -> FCS: 1 ADDR: 0 COMD: 0 PROTO: 0 03-06 23:06:58 [15796] HDLC errors -> FCS: 2 ADDR: 0 COMD: 0 PROTO: 0 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 03-06 23:07:09 [15796] LCP: Received Terminate Request (3) state = Opend (9) 03-06 23:07:09 [15796] LCP: LayerDown 03-06 23:07:09 [15796] OsLinkdown: 132.68.146.211 03-06 23:07:09 [15796] Phase: Terminate 03-06 23:07:09 [15796] LCP: SendTerminateAck. 03-06 23:07:09 [15796] LCP: state change Opend --> Stopping 03-06 23:07:10 [15796] Disconnected! 03-06 23:07:10 [15796] Connect time: 797 secs 03-06 23:07:10 [15796] Phase: Dead From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 6 14:09:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14980 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:09:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14975 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:09:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from aebeard.technion.ac.il (aebeard.technion.ac.il [132.68.146.67]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA02892 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:07:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (yuri@localhost) by aebeard.technion.ac.il (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA16023; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:34:04 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:34:04 +0200 (IST) From: Yuri Gindin To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: peter@haywire.dialix.com Subject: HDLC errors in ppp. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I usually used modem on my computer running FreeBSD2.2 and 3.0 as dialin service and everything worked fine. Once I mentioned that users can connect and in log there are errors. I have 3.0 current with USR Sportster 28800. and tun device compiled in the kernel. here is a log: Any clue ? Thaks in advance, --Yuri. 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] Listening at 3000. 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] PPP Started. 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] Packet mode enabled 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] LCP: state change Initial --> Closed 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] LCP: SendConfigReq 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] ACFCOMP 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] PROTOCOMP 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] ACCMAP [6] 00000000 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] MRU [4] 1500 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] MAGICNUM [6] ec060298 03-06 22:53:52 [15796] LCP: state change Closed --> Req-Sent 03-06 22:53:53 [15796] *Connected! 03-06 22:53:55 [15796] LCP: SendConfigReq 03-06 22:53:55 [15796] ACFCOMP 03-06 22:53:55 [15796] PROTOCOMP 03-06 22:53:55 [15796] ACCMAP [6] 00000000 03-06 22:53:55 [15796] MRU [4] 1500 03-06 22:53:55 [15796] MAGICNUM [6] ec060298 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] LCP: Received Configure Request (1) state = Req-Sent (6) 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] ACCMAP 000a0000 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] MAGICNUM 0046de94 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] PROTOCOMP 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] ACFCOMP 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] ???[0d] 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] LCP: SendConfigRej(Req-Sent) 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] ???[0d] 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] LCP: Received Configure Request (2) state = Req-Sent (6) 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] ACCMAP 000a0000 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] MAGICNUM 0046de94 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] PROTOCOMP 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] ACFCOMP 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] LCP: SendConfigAck(Req-Sent) 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] ACCMAP 000a0000 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] MAGICNUM 0046de94 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] PROTOCOMP 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] ACFCOMP 03-06 22:53:56 [15796] LCP: state change Req-Sent --> Ack-Sent 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] LCP: SendConfigReq 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] ACFCOMP 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] PROTOCOMP 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] ACCMAP [6] 00000000 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MRU [4] 1500 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MAGICNUM [6] ec060298 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] LCP: Received Configure Ack (3) state = Ack-Sent (8) 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] LCP: state change Ack-Sent --> Opend 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] LCP: LayerUp 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] Phase: Network 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: state change Initial --> Closed 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP Up event!! 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: SendConfigReq 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPADDR [6] 132.68.146.67 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] COMPPROTO [6] 002d0f00 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: state change Closed --> Req-Sent 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP: state change Initial --> Closed 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP Up event!! 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP: SendConfigReq 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP: state change Closed --> Req-Sent 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: Received Configure Request (1) state = Req-Sent (6) 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] COMPPROTO[6] 002d0f01 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPADDR[6] 0.0.0.0 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MS NS req 129:0.0.0.0 ok - ack 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MS NBNS req 130:0.0.0.0 ok - ack 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MS NS req 131:0.0.0.0 ok - ack 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MS NBNS req 132:0.0.0.0 ok - ack 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: SendConfigNak(Req-Sent) 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPADDR[6] 132.68.146.211 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP: Received Configure Request (1) state = Req-Sent (6) 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MSPPC[6] 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] STAC[5] 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP: SendConfigRej(Req-Sent) 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MSPPC[6] 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] STAC[5] 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: Received Configure Ack (1) state = Req-Sent (6) 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: state change Req-Sent --> Ack-Rcvd 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP: Received Configure Reject (1) state = Req-Sent (6) 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP: RecvConfigRej. 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] PRED1[2] 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP: SendConfigReq 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: Received Configure Request (2) state = Ack-Rcvd (7) 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] COMPPROTO[6] 002d0f01 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPADDR[6] 132.68.146.211 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MS NS req 129:0.0.0.0 ok - ack 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MS NBNS req 130:0.0.0.0 ok - ack 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MS NS req 131:0.0.0.0 ok - ack 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] MS NBNS req 132:0.0.0.0 ok - ack 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: SendConfigAck(Ack-Rcvd) 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] COMPPROTO[6] 002d0f01 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPADDR[6] 132.68.146.211 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: state change Ack-Rcvd --> Opend 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] IPCP: LayerUp. 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] myaddr = 132.68.146.67 hisaddr = 132.68.146.211 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] found interface vx0 for proxy arp 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] OsLinkup: 132.68.146.211 03-06 22:53:58 [15796] CCP: state change Req-Sent --> Ack-Rcvd 03-06 22:54:01 [15796] CCP: Received Configure Request (2) state = Ack-Rcvd (7) 03-06 22:54:01 [15796] CCP: SendConfigAck(Ack-Rcvd) 03-06 22:54:01 [15796] CCP: state change Ack-Rcvd --> Opend 03-06 22:54:01 [15796] CCP: LayerUp. 03-06 22:54:01 [15796] myproto = 0, hisproto = 0 03-06 22:54:01 [15796] CCP: Received Terminate Request (3) state = Opend (9) 03-06 22:54:01 [15796] CCP: LayerDown. 03-06 22:54:01 [15796] CCP: SendTerminateAck 03-06 22:54:01 [15796] CCP: state change Opend --> Stopping 03-06 22:58:58 [15796] HDLC errors -> FCS: 4 ADDR: 0 COMD: 0 PROTO: 0 03-06 22:59:58 [15796] HDLC errors -> FCS: 1 ADDR: 0 COMD: 0 PROTO: 0 03-06 23:01:58 [15796] HDLC errors -> FCS: 1 ADDR: 0 COMD: 0 PROTO: 0 03-06 23:03:58 [15796] HDLC errors -> FCS: 1 ADDR: 0 COMD: 0 PROTO: 0 03-06 23:06:58 [15796] HDLC errors -> FCS: 2 ADDR: 0 COMD: 0 PROTO: 0 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 03-06 23:07:09 [15796] LCP: Received Terminate Request (3) state = Opend (9) 03-06 23:07:09 [15796] LCP: LayerDown 03-06 23:07:09 [15796] OsLinkdown: 132.68.146.211 03-06 23:07:09 [15796] Phase: Terminate 03-06 23:07:09 [15796] LCP: SendTerminateAck. 03-06 23:07:09 [15796] LCP: state change Opend --> Stopping 03-06 23:07:10 [15796] Disconnected! 03-06 23:07:10 [15796] Connect time: 797 secs 03-06 23:07:10 [15796] Phase: Dead From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 6 16:32:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA24389 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:32:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from dab.iit.uni-miskolc.hu (dab.iit.uni-miskolc.hu [193.6.4.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24381 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:32:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rutz@localhost) by dab.iit.uni-miskolc.hu (8.7.6/8.7.3) id BAA02267; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 01:31:47 GMT Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 01:31:46 +0000 () From: Antal Rutz To: Bernard Jauregui cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hypermail 1.02 core dump In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Try to compile hypermail without any optimization (-O -m486 ..). --rutz On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Bernard Jauregui wrote: > > Has anyone managed to run hypermail 1.02 under FreeBSD 2.1.6. It compiles > without a single error, but core dumps on a segmentation fault when used > to append messages or create an archive. > > Favoured syntax is : > > cat /tmp/testmail | ./hypermail -i -u -d "./firewalls.archive" > > This is our last ISP application still running under SunOS... > > Cheers > > BJ > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 6 20:02:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA10032 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:02:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from argus.acpub.duke.edu (argus.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10027 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:02:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from louis (async251-34.async.duke.edu [152.3.251.34]) by argus.acpub.duke.edu (8.7.1/Duke-3.0) with SMTP id XAA12712; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:00:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970307040031.0068c928@chem.duke.edu> X-Sender: reese@chem.duke.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 23:00:31 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Charles Reese Subject: HELP: tun problem Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone who responed to my tun ifconfig message. I must have some other problem as I still can't get more then 1 line to work at a time. Here is the message I get when I try to connect with a second line. user Process PPP. Written by Toshiharu OHNO. Log level is 0b can't open /etc/ppp/ppp.secret. Warning: No password entry for this host in ppp.secret Warning: All manipulation is allowed by anyone in the world No tunnel device is available. open_tun: Device not configured Here is a bit of ifconfig -a (with one line running) sl0: flags=c010 mtu 552 sl1: flags=c010 mtu 552 tun0: flags=8051 mtu 576 inet 207.86.0.130 --> 207.86.0.146 netmask 0xffffff00 tun1: flags=8010 mtu 1500 tun2: flags=8010 mtu 1500 tun3: flags=8010 mtu 1500 tun4: flags=8010 mtu 1500 tun5: flags=8010 mtu 1500 ... tun16: flags=8010 mtu 1500 Here is a bit of ppp.conf default: disable lqr deny lqr set debug phase lcp chat set timeout 0 enable msext set ns 204.91.99.128 164.109.0.23 ttyd1: set ifaddr 207.86.0.130 207.86.0.145 netmask 255.255.255.224 enable proxy ttyc0: set ifaddr 207.86.0.130 207.86.0.146 netmask 255.255.255.224 enable proxy ttyc1: set ifaddr 207.86.0.130 207.86.0.147 netmask 255.255.255.224 enable proxy ..... A bit of /dev crw------- 1 uucp dialer 52, 0 Mar 6 22:25 tun0 crw------- 1 uucp dialer 52, 1 Oct 22 15:13 tun1 crw------- 1 uucp dialer 52, 2 Oct 22 15:13 tun2 .... crw------- 1 uucp dialer 52, 0 Oct 22 15:14 tunf Is there anywhere besides the kernel and /dev that tuns have to be setup? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Charlie Reese ------------------------------------------------------------- Charles E. Reese * * Durham, NC 27710 * Buy Sell Trade CDs * 919-660-1585 * NO MIDDLEMAN * 919-544-7217 * TOTALLY FREE * * http://trader.ourway.com * reese@chem.duke.edu * * ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 6 20:53:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA13562 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:53:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA13496 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:53:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA04715; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 16:10:22 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 16:10:21 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Charles Reese cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HELP: tun problem In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970307040031.0068c928@chem.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Charles Reese wrote: > Thanks to everyone who responed to my tun ifconfig message. I must have > some other problem as I still can't get more then 1 line to work at a time. > Here is the message I get when I try to connect with a second line. OK, so you have lots of tun devs in /dev/ and kernel. Do you have full sources available? Can you hack? The ppp code opens the tun device in os.c, at around line 265. One thing to note is that my code in os.c handles tun0-tun65535, not tun9, tuna, tunb, etc. It will never find tun[a-z], but you should have no problems with tun1. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 7 03:56:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA05329 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 03:56:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from nethost1.yars.free.net (nethost1.yars.free.net [193.233.48.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA05031 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 03:51:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from hq by nethost1.yars.free.net with UUCP id OAA29179; (8.7.5/vak/1.9) Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:40:04 +0300 (MSK) Received: from freebsd.kari.ru by hq.kari.ru with ESMTP id LAA14292; (8.7.5/vak/1.8r) Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:36:11 GMT Received: by freebsd.kari.ru id OAA00284; (8.7.5/vak/1.8r) Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:10:03 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.4 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 14:04:38 +0300 (MSK) Organization: KARI From: "Yury V. Savin" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: iijppp and leased line Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How can i configure user ppp (iijppp) for working with leased line ( having leas ed line and ppp account with ISP) ? Best regards. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Yury V. Savin Date: 03/07/97 Time: 14:10:02 This message was sent by XF-Mail ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 7 05:44:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA11780 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 05:44:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from casimir.easynet.fr (casimir.easynet.fr [194.51.27.235]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA11438; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 05:39:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from casimir.easynet.fr (casimir.easynet.fr [194.51.27.235]) by casimir.easynet.fr (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21003; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:38:00 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:38:00 +0100 (MET) From: David Ramahefason To: Ron Bickers cc: Intuitive Design Archive , freebsd-ports@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is there a tool for IP traffic accounting ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Ron Bickers wrote: > On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, David Ramahefason wrote: > > > > > Where could I found this tools ? > > ftp://ftp.bsdi.com/contrib/networking/NNStat32-bsdi.tar.gz > > It's a BSDI port but compiled under FreeBSD 2.1.7 with a few Makefile > changes and another minor change I can't recall. You'll know when you try > to compile it. Thanks Ron, I've managed to compiled it, but I can't use it as said in the doc.... The only way I can use it is in foreground.... did I miss something ? Thanks for ansewring |David Ramahefason, rama@easynet.fr,systems@easynet.fr| |Administrateur Systeme/Reseau, Easynet France SA | |Think different Think BSD http://www.FreeBSD.org | |Wrap around probs with Python http://www.python.org | From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 7 08:54:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA27515 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 08:54:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from outland.cyberwar.com (root@outland.cyberwar.com [206.88.128.42]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA27509 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 08:54:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from zippy (zippy.cyberwar.com [206.88.128.80]) by outland.cyberwar.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06255 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:54:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970307115237.009a9510@pop.cyberwar.com> X-Sender: wjgrun@pop.cyberwar.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 11:52:38 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org From: Bill Grunfelder Subject: Radius & Xylogics Remote Annex 4000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone had experience getting a Xylogics Remote Annex 4000 to use Radius authentication? Actually, I'm having difficulty finding some GOOD documentation on configuring radius...any pointers would be appreciated.. Thanks, Bill ....................................................................... Bill Grunfelder System Administrator wjgrun@cyberwar.com Cyber Warrior, Inc. http://www.cyberwar.com/~wjgrun/ (201) 703-1517 -The above does not necessarily coincide with the views of my employer- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 7 10:19:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04490 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:19:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04483 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:19:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA28882 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:23:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:18:31 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: ISP Billing Software Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ANyone have suggestions for reasonably priced ISP billing software? I've looked at : URIBS (User Registration, Information, and Billing System) User Tracking & Accounting (RTD Systems) BATS ISP Accounting (AstroArch Consulting) Internet Billing (CoolWorld.Com) Emerald ISP Support Package IAF - Internet Administration Framework InterBiller ISPBill AIMS Of all these the only one I've seen that has fit the bill at all was URIBS, but it is self described as "This is not a shrink-wrapped plug-n-play piece of commercial software." $750 buys you a web front-end and scripts to handle alot of things, but it doesn't give me the neat features of packages like Coolworld's InternetBilling - ISP monitor. ISP Monitor looks exactly like a beast I've been toying with that I call SSD ( Secure Script Daemon ) that allows you to securely pass information to and run scripts on remote machines and get back data from them. Http://n2h2.com/URIBS has the information on the URIBS package as well as links to all the above mentioned packages. Is there interest in putting toegether a Freely available ISP Billing package? I'm working on SSD as well as a program to compare Radius USERS file with the passwd file and our QuickBooks database to see who isn't in what and eventually fix it, although I'm going to be sorely tempted to replace QuickBooks. I want a Web front-ended system to add/delete/bill users so that its no longer client platform dependent. Just my ramblings. Be interested to hear what others are doing. +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 7 19:43:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA13936 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 19:43:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from Wicked.eaznet.com ([206.62.254.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA13931 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 19:43:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from eddie ([206.62.254.30]) by Wicked.eaznet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA02426; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 20:50:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3320CFD8.54DB@eaznet.com> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 19:32:56 -0700 From: Eddie Fry Organization: Creative Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Arnold CC: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Billing Software References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tom, You might want to check with RTD Networking in Tucson, AZ. They have a product called UTA that might do what you want. It's very flexible, but not a GUI, yet. You'll probably want to talk to Tom Duff, Dave Seigel, or Scott Thacker (x102). Their # is (520)428-5856. Tom Duff is the programmer working on the conversion to GUI. Do me a favor and let them know I referred you. Eddie From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 7 19:45:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA14080 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 19:45:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14046 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 19:45:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id TAA02566 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 19:01:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from newland.com ([205.233.79.6]) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA24882 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Mar 1997 18:58:57 -0800 Received: from mnewton.newland.com (PCNUser@[205.233.79.111]) by newland.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA13351 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 21:58:08 -0500 Message-Id: <3320D59A.7CAD@newland.com> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 21:57:30 -0500 From: mnewton Organization: The Newland Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: ftp hangs with bitsurfer PRO and Ascend 200+ Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Message-ID: <3320D53B.3F49@newland.com> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 21:55:55 -0500 From: mnewton Organization: The Newland Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: ftp hangs with bitsurfer PRO and Ascend 200+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have this notebook running freebsd connected to a motorola bitsurfer pro connected to and ascend max 200 generally it works fine when i ftp large binary files only 17520 bytes get transferred before ftp hangs I have changed all hardware once in tracing the packets,it looks like an ACK problem between the PRO and the Ascend the pro sends an ACK and doesn't get anything back I have the tcp-extensions settings in sysconfig set to NO. (when it was YES it would stop at 17280! perhaps i should set it to MAYBE) My next option is to rip out the PRO and put in a pipeline 50 Any one got any good ideas. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 7 19:46:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA14258 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 19:46:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14235; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 19:46:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from surf.pangea.ca (root@surf.pangea.ca [204.112.101.109]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA02556 ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 18:58:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from atdot (dock04-30.pangea.ca [206.45.92.158]) by surf.pangea.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA05287; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 20:53:17 -0600 (CST) Received: by atdot with Microsoft Mail id <01BC2B39.82E1D620@atdot>; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 20:52:46 -0600 Message-ID: <01BC2B39.82E1D620@atdot> From: John Gunkel To: "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Compile error with Qpopper and Free-BSD 2.1.7 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 20:52:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Help! I have to get this running by Monday, so here goes: I have been trying to get Qualcomm's popserver to compile for the last couple of days and it keeps dying on (what I think is) the final link with some complaint about "Undefined symbol '_crypt' " I installed secure and eBones during the instalation, so unless I have misconfigured something.... Anyway, here is a transcript of the make: ===================================================== gonzo: {8} make clean rm -f core *.o *.Z* gonzo: {9} make 44bsd make -f make.44bsd cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_dele.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_dropcopy.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_get_command.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_get_subcommand.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_init.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_last.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_list.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_log.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_lower.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_msg.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_parse.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_pass.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_quit.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_rset.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_send.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_stat.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_updt.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_user.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_xtnd.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_xmit.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c popper.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_bull.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c xtnd_xlst.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_uidl.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_rpop.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_apop.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c md5.c cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -o popper pop_dele.o pop_dropcopy.o pop_get_command.o p pop_pass.o: Undefined symbol `_crypt' referenced from text segment *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. gonzo: {10} ======================================================= ***Note: the same error occours if I try "make 44bsd" or "make bsdi". I am trying to go with the Qualcomm popper because of the recomendation of Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) from freebsd-questions but would be entirely open to suggestions of alternate pop servers. (or at the very least some help to get this one going) Thanks very much in advance, and doubly so, if it helps to get it running by Monday. :) John Gunkel. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 7 19:57:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA17052 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 19:57:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA17026 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 19:57:17 -0800 (PST) From: sweeting@tm.net.my Received: from mail.tm.net.my (janeway.tm.net.my [202.188.0.155]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA00540 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [202.184.153.110] ([202.184.153.110]) by mail.tm.net.my (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id FAA03462 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 05:07:02 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 05:07:02 +0800 (SGT) X-Sender: sweeting@mail.tm.net.my Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: how would you set up a mail hub ? possible with one IP ? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At the moment we have several domains on 3 NT boxes : NTBox A : Areal.com - httpd, mail, ftp Avirtual1.com - httpd, mail, ftp Avirtual2.com - httpd, mail, ftp NTBox B : Breal.com - httpd, mail, ftp Bvirtual1.com - httpd, mail, ftp Bvirtual2.com - httpd, mail, ftp NTBox C : Creal.com - httpd, mail, ftp Cvirtual1.com - httpd, mail, ftp Cvirtual2.com - httpd, mail, ftp and we are going to change these to FreeBSD boxes because NT is crawling, nonflexible, expensive (for software). Now, for security and performance reasons, it has been suggested to us that we should have one server for all the mail. And all the webservers on just 2 machines. ie. we will have FBSDBox A : Areal.com - httpd, ftp Avirtual1.com - httpd, ftp Avirtual2.com - httpd, ftp Avirtual3.com - httpd, ftp Avirtual4.com - httpd, ftp FBSDBox B : Breal.com - httpd, ftp Bvirtual1.com - httpd, ftp Bvirtual2.com - httpd, ftp Bvirtual3.com - httpd, ftp FBSDBox C : mail.Areal.com - mail mail.Avirtual1.com - mail mail.Avirtual2.com - mail mail.Avirtual3.com - mail mail.Avirtual4.com - mail mail.Breal.com - mail mail.Bvirtual1.com - mail mail.Bvirtual2.com - mail mail.Bvirtual3.com - mail Is there any reason NOT to do this ? However, the mail hub (FBSDBox C) is posing a bit of a problem. If i am not mistaken, this means that the zone file for, say, Avirtual2.com is : ; /etc/namedb/Avirtual2.zone : ; Data file of hostnames in this zone. ; Avirtual2.com. IN SOA Areal.com. postmaster.Areal.com. ( 24 300 60 1209600 43200 ) ; Avirtual2.com. IN NS nameserver1.com. IN NS nameserver2.com. Avirtual2.com. IN MX 10 mail.Avirtual2.com. Avirtual2.com. IN A 202.184.153.99 202 IN CNAME 202.184.153.99. www.Avirtual2.com. IN CNAME Avirtual2.com. and the zone file for mail.Avirtual2.com is : ; /etc/namedb/mailAvirtual2.zone : ; Data file of hostnames in this zone. ; mail.Avirtual2.com. IN SOA mail.Areal.com. postmaster.mail.Areal.com. ( 24 300 60 1209600 43200 ) ; mail.Avirtual2.com. IN NS nameserver1.com. IN NS nameserver2.com. mail.Avirtual2.com. IN MX 10 mail.Avirtual2.com. mail.Avirtual2.com. IN A 202.184.153.100 202 IN CNAME 202.184.153.100. The virtual mail domains on the mailhub are not the problem but it looks like we will end up using 2 IP numbers for each domain. is there any way to do this using just one IP number on the mailhub ? (how do ISPs do this ? we are not in that line of business as you can guess by my ignorance.... i am sorry for asking this here but tried all the ISP resources and couldn't find a B&W solution.) Thank you once again for your help and advice.(hopefully this will be the end of the questions... it's been a long long week) chas From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 7 20:58:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA20995 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 20:58:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tm.net.my (janeway.tm.net.my [202.188.0.155]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20985 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 20:58:02 -0800 (PST) From: sweeting@tm.net.my Received: from [202.184.153.110] ([202.184.153.110]) by mail.tm.net.my (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA06805 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 12:57:25 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 12:57:25 +0800 (SGT) X-Sender: sweeting@mail.tm.net.my Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: solved Re: how to set up a mail hub ? with one IP number ?? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk sorry for asking what must be a trivial question on this list. anyway, i got the mailhub working and am posting here for the archive in case anyone else has this problem. respect to Gregory Neil Shapiro from the sendmail-questions list for help. [snip] I wanted to test this out before replying and just spent 2 hours running between 5 PC's in the office playing virtual users and domains. The configuration that you sent for the zone files works a treat.... and is simpler than i had expected (which is always a good thing). Perfect. >sweeting> Is there any reason NOT to do this ? > >No, you can use the virtual user table for assistance in delivery (see >cf/README). > >sweeting> However, the mail hub (FBSDBox C) is posing a bit of a problem. If >sweeting> i am not mistaken, this means that the zone file for, say, >sweeting> Avirtual2.com is : > >You showed two files for one zone. For Avirtual2.zone, it would simply be: > >; /etc/namedb/Avirtual2.zone : >; Data file of hostnames in this zone. >; >Avirtual2.com. IN SOA Areal.com. postmaster.Areal.com. ( > 24 300 60 1209600 43200 ) >; > IN NS nameserver1.com. > IN NS nameserver2.com. > IN MX 10 mail > IN A 202.184.153.99 >www IN CNAME Avirtual2.com. >mail IN MX 10 mail >mail IN A 202.184.153.100 > >sweeting> The virtual mail domains on the mailhub are not the problem but it >sweeting> looks like we will end up using 2 IP numbers for each domain. is >sweeting> there any way to do this using just one IP number on the mailhub ? > >Yes, you can set all of the MX records to just be to mail.Areal.com instead of >mail.Avirtual2.com. (Note: Don't put in an A or MX record for mail.Areal.com >in any zone file except Areal.com's zone file). Use the virtusertable feature >to determine delivery, not different IP addresses. [/snip] From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 7 21:40:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA23695 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 21:40:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23673; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 21:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id WAA08671; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 22:40:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA00854; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 22:40:19 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 22:40:18 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko To: John Gunkel cc: "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Compile error with Qpopper and Free-BSD 2.1.7 In-Reply-To: <01BC2B39.82E1D620@atdot> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Please don't crosspost to -isp and -questions. You need to add a -lcrypt to the last command line that does the linking. Check the Makefile, ISTR there is a LDADD variable you could put it in. If not, you could probably get by adding it to the CFLAGS. If you used the port you wouldn't have this problem. On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, John Gunkel wrote: > Help! > I have to get this running by Monday, so here goes: > > I have been trying to get Qualcomm's popserver to compile for the last couple of days > and it keeps dying on (what I think is) the final link with some complaint about > "Undefined symbol '_crypt' " > > I installed secure and eBones during the instalation, so unless I have misconfigured > something.... > > Anyway, here is a transcript of the make: > > ===================================================== > gonzo: {8} make clean > rm -f core *.o *.Z* > gonzo: {9} make 44bsd > make -f make.44bsd > cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c pop_dele.c [...] > cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c md5.c > cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -o popper pop_dele.o pop_dropcopy.o pop_get_command.o p > pop_pass.o: Undefined symbol `_crypt' referenced from text segment > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > gonzo: {10} > > ======================================================= > ***Note: the same error occours if I try "make 44bsd" or "make bsdi". > > I am trying to go with the Qualcomm popper because of the recomendation of > Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) from freebsd-questions but would be entirely > open to suggestions of alternate pop servers. (or at the very least some help to > get this one going) > > Thanks very much in advance, and doubly so, if it helps to get it running by > Monday. :) > > John Gunkel. > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 7 22:13:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA25891 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 22:13:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA25882 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 22:13:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA19976; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 01:17:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 01:11:46 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold To: Eddie Fry cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Billing Software In-Reply-To: <3320CFD8.54DB@eaznet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Eddie Fry wrote: > product called UTA that might do what you want. It's very flexible, but > not a GUI, yet. You'll probably want to talk to Tom Duff, Dave Seigel, > or Scott Thacker (x102). Their # is (520)428-5856. I think $19995.00 unlimited license says it all. Already looked at their software and for the price... nah... Thanks! +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 7 23:33:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA29063 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 23:33:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (root@Radford.i-Plus.net [206.99.237.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29057 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 23:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from abyss (pitlord@abyss.i-Plus.net [206.99.237.42]) by Radford.i-Plus.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA06636 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 02:32:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703080732.CAA06636@Radford.i-Plus.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Troy Settle" Organization: iPlus Internet Services To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 02:44:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Fried Brains -- Is there a cure or a prevention? Reply-to: rewt@i-Plus.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry for the useless post, but my brains are fried. Is there a cure? A prevention? Today, I took off for lunch 2 hours after I got to work. My excuse was that I wasn't finding anything at work to keep me busy. When I got home, I never was able to eat, cause I sat down and rebuilt/reinstalled popd and imapd, worked on a menu for user shells, read a few man pages, read my mail, searched for some information on the web, and called the telco about getting some foreign exchanges to extend our local market (nevermind that they couldn't figure out who I should talk to about it). Something is wrong when I'm 10x more productive at home than at work. Blah... have a good weekend everyone -- Troy Settle Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services http://www.i-Plus.net ( Stuff I said does not reflect the company I work ) ( for unless I'm speaking on behalf of said company ) From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 7 23:33:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA29083 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 23:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from surf.pangea.ca (root@surf.pangea.ca [204.112.101.109]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29078 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 23:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from atdot (dock01-04.pangea.ca [206.45.92.36]) by surf.pangea.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA27137; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 01:31:57 -0600 (CST) Received: by atdot with Microsoft Mail id <01BC2B60.6E92CAE0@atdot>; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 01:31:23 -0600 Message-ID: <01BC2B60.6E92CAE0@atdot> From: John Gunkel To: "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" Cc: "'marcs@znep.com'" Subject: SOLVED: Compile error with Qpopper and Free-BSD 2.1.7 Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 01:30:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My thanks and appologies. The problems solved, the boss is happy, and I get paid for another week. :) I will just make one note however, that is that the Qualcomm popper, although listed in the installation as being there, does not exist on ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/ so thanks for your suggestion, about looking through the ports, but, well, it's not there. (been there, done that...) For those interested, however, the popper residing at ftp.qualcomm.com will work with the addition of this line: LDADD+= -lcrypt to make.44bsd then doing a make 44bsd. (providing secure, ect, ect is installed) Thank you Marc et al. John Gunkel ---------- From: Marc Slemko[SMTP:marcs@znep.com] Sent: Friday, March 07, 1997 4:40 PM To: John Gunkel Cc: 'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'; 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' Subject: Re: Compile error with Qpopper and Free-BSD 2.1.7 Please don't crosspost to -isp and -questions. You need to add a -lcrypt to the last command line that does the linking. Check the Makefile, ISTR there is a LDADD variable you could put it in. If not, you could probably get by adding it to the CFLAGS. If you used the port you wouldn't have this problem. On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, John Gunkel wrote: > Help! > I have to get this running by Monday, so here goes: > > I have been trying to get Qualcomm's popserver to compile for the last couple of days > and it keeps dying on (what I think is) the final link with some complaint about > "Undefined symbol '_crypt' " > > I installed secure and eBones during the instalation, so unless I have misconfigured > something.... > > Anyway, here is a transcript of the make: > > ===================================================== [...] > cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -c md5.c > cc -O -DHAVE_PARAM_H -o popper pop_dele.o pop_dropcopy.o pop_get_command.o p > pop_pass.o: Undefined symbol `_crypt' referenced from text segment > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > ======================================================= > ***Note: the same error occours if I try "make 44bsd" or "make bsdi". From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 00:58:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA01795 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 00:58:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from obiwan.TerraNova.net (root@obiwan.TerraNova.net [205.152.26.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01790 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 00:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from togs.puter.at.TerraNova.net (coolholio@eye.yam.leet.cause.i.idle.in.teensysop.org [205.152.26.130]) by obiwan.TerraNova.net (8.8.5/TerraNovaNet) with SMTP id EAA27951; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 04:00:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <33212A06.6B48@terranova.net> Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 03:57:42 -0500 From: Travis Mikalson Reply-To: bofh@terranova.net Organization: TerraNovaNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rewt@i-Plus.net CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fried Brains -- Is there a cure or a prevention? References: <199703080732.CAA06636@Radford.i-Plus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Troy Settle wrote: > Sorry for the useless post, but my brains are fried. Hey what the hell, this is freebsd-isp.. could be considered ISP-related if you work at one ;) > Is there a cure? A prevention? Pace yourself, try to remain calm.. Don't work yourself too hard, I guess. Give your brain some time off from thinking about all the problems, concerns, and things to remember and do something you enjoy (having notes somewhere can relieve some brain clutter by increasing file/paper clutter :) Take a vacation of some sort? Everyone has to find their own way I think, I'm no expert. > Today, I took off for lunch 2 hours after I got to work. My excuse > was that I wasn't finding anything at work to keep me busy. When I > got home, I never was able to eat, cause I sat down and > rebuilt/reinstalled popd and imapd, worked on a menu for user shells, > read a few man pages, read my mail, searched for some information on > the web, and called the telco about getting some foreign > exchanges to extend our local market (nevermind that they couldn't > figure out who I should talk to about it). > > Something is wrong when I'm 10x more productive at home than at work. Perhaps your work environment is less than comfortable for some reason? Maybe you're not burned out, just not comfortable with where you're supposed to be working and don't know it? I find that I can barely concentrate at all when it gets real hot in the office here (Key Largo, FL + 10 machines in a small space says it all) There's probably a term and explanation attached to this syndrome, but I'm not a psychologist ;) Travis -- -=--==--===---====----======------=======------- TerraNovaNet Internet Services - Key Largo, FL Voice: (305)453-4011 Fax: (305)451-5991 http://www.TerraNova.net -------=======------======----====---===--==--=- Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 01:15:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA02466 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 01:15:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.futuresouth.com (mail.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA02460 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 01:15:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (tim@shell.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.20]) by mail.futuresouth.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA27076; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 03:15:17 -0600 (CST) From: Tim Tsai Received: (from tim@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) id DAA13191; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 03:15:17 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703080915.DAA13191@shell.futuresouth.com> Subject: Re: ISP Billing Software To: tom@inna.net (Thomas Arnold) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 03:15:17 -0600 (CST) Cc: eddie@eaznet.com, isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Thomas Arnold at "Mar 8, 97 01:11:46 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Eddie Fry wrote: > > product called UTA that might do what you want. It's very flexible, but > > not a GUI, yet. You'll probably want to talk to Tom Duff, Dave Seigel, > > or Scott Thacker (x102). Their # is (520)428-5856. > > I think $19995.00 unlimited license says it all. Already looked at their > software and for the price... nah... Check out http://www.boardtown.com Tim From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 06:18:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA14862 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 06:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA14856 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 06:18:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA04348 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 06:17:12 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: i-Pass Announces Internet Roaming for ISPs Running FreeBSD Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 06:17:12 -0800 Message-ID: <4345.857830632@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ Posted on behalf of i-Pass Alliance, Inc - please direct all inquiries to them. ] i-Pass Announces Internet Roaming for ISPs Running FreeBSD ********************************************************** Largest Global Roaming Network Continues to Add Support for New Environments...Latest Release...FreeBSD The leading Internet roaming service, i-Pass Alliance, now provides FREE Internet roaming software to ISPs running FreeBSD. If you would like to provide Internet "roaming" to your subscribers (local-call Internet access anywhere in the world), you can now sign-up to receive this software via the i-Pass Alliance web site, http://www.ipass.com. 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In-Reply-To: <33212A06.6B48@terranova.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, Travis Mikalson wrote: good music/other distraction and a bottle of alcohol work :) But I am lucky to work out of my house ! > Troy Settle wrote: > > Sorry for the useless post, but my brains are fried. > > Hey what the hell, this is freebsd-isp.. could be considered ISP-related > if you work at one ;) > > > Is there a cure? A prevention? > > Pace yourself, try to remain calm.. > Don't work yourself too hard, I guess. > Give your brain some time off from thinking about all the problems, > concerns, and things to remember and do something you enjoy (having > notes somewhere can relieve some brain clutter by increasing file/paper > clutter :) > Take a vacation of some sort? > > Everyone has to find their own way I think, I'm no expert. > > > Today, I took off for lunch 2 hours after I got to work. My excuse > > was that I wasn't finding anything at work to keep me busy. When I > > got home, I never was able to eat, cause I sat down and > > rebuilt/reinstalled popd and imapd, worked on a menu for user shells, > > read a few man pages, read my mail, searched for some information on > > the web, and called the telco about getting some foreign > > exchanges to extend our local market (nevermind that they couldn't > > figure out who I should talk to about it). > > > > Something is wrong when I'm 10x more productive at home than at work. > > Perhaps your work environment is less than comfortable for some reason? > Maybe you're not burned out, just not comfortable with where you're > supposed to be working and don't know it? > I find that I can barely concentrate at all when it gets real hot in the > office here (Key Largo, FL + 10 machines in a small space says it all) > > There's probably a term and explanation attached to this syndrome, but > I'm not a psychologist ;) > > Travis > -- > -=--==--===---====----======------=======------- > TerraNovaNet Internet Services - Key Largo, FL > Voice: (305)453-4011 > Fax: (305)451-5991 > http://www.TerraNova.net > -------=======------======----====---===--==--=- > Always remember that you are unique. > Just like everyone else. > Intuitive Design Archive http://www.in-design.com archive@in-design.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 12:08:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00289 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 12:08:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.teensysop.org (root@home.teensysop.org [206.136.25.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00284 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 12:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from fixed.intrastar.net (jakes@jake.is.l33t.in.teensysop.org [206.136.25.71]) by home.teensysop.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA03717; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 14:08:42 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970308141016.0068af38@teensysop.org> X-Sender: jsuter@teensysop.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 14:10:16 -0600 To: rewt@i-Plus.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Jacob Suter Subject: Re: Fried Brains -- Is there a cure or a prevention? In-Reply-To: <199703080732.CAA06636@Radford.i-Plus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Something is wrong when I'm 10x more productive at home than at work. > >Blah... have a good weekend everyone Sounds like burnout.. I got that but I work out of my home so it screwed my home life. So I got myself in a meaningless relationship and tried to expand my horizons. Like that ever works or anything.. Conclusion: Computers just suck. JS From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 12:15:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00573 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 12:15:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.teensysop.org (root@home.teensysop.org [206.136.25.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00556 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 12:14:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from fixed.intrastar.net (jakes@jake.is.l33t.in.teensysop.org [206.136.25.71]) by home.teensysop.org (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA03731; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 14:14:04 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970308141537.0068af38@teensysop.org> X-Sender: jsuter@teensysop.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 14:15:37 -0600 To: bofh@terranova.net, rewt@i-Plus.net From: Jacob Suter Subject: Re: Fried Brains -- Is there a cure or a prevention? Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <33212A06.6B48@terranova.net> References: <199703080732.CAA06636@Radford.i-Plus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Troy Settle wrote: >> Sorry for the useless post, but my brains are fried. >Hey what the hell, this is freebsd-isp.. could be considered ISP-related >if you work at one ;) Hey Trav you crazy sysadmin funknut. >> Is there a cure? A prevention? > >Pace yourself, try to remain calm.. >Don't work yourself too hard, I guess. >Give your brain some time off from thinking about all the problems, >concerns, and things to remember and do something you enjoy (having >notes somewhere can relieve some brain clutter by increasing file/paper >clutter :) ie "get laid" >Take a vacation of some sort? without the cell phone. >Everyone has to find their own way I think, I'm no expert. Proven... you hang out with me in #teensysop :-) >> Today, I took off for lunch 2 hours after I got to work. My excuse >> was that I wasn't finding anything at work to keep me busy. When I >> got home, I never was able to eat, cause I sat down and >> rebuilt/reinstalled popd and imapd, worked on a menu for user shells, >> read a few man pages, read my mail, searched for some information on >> the web, and called the telco about getting some foreign >> exchanges to extend our local market (nevermind that they couldn't >> figure out who I should talk to about it). >> >> Something is wrong when I'm 10x more productive at home than at work. > >Perhaps your work environment is less than comfortable for some reason? >Maybe you're not burned out, just not comfortable with where you're >supposed to be working and don't know it? Hey, Trav... good idea. I've noticed after a long day of slaving here, my arse is sore. Time to retire the old red chair I think... Now that I got a Sam's card maybe I can just go get myself one and no one will notice :) >I find that I can barely concentrate at all when it gets real hot in the >office here (Key Largo, FL + 10 machines in a small space says it all) you forgot to mention Bill and Tiger. >There's probably a term and explanation attached to this syndrome, but >I'm not a psychologist ;) "I'm not a cop, I'm a sysadmin" now its: "I'm not a psychologist, I'm a sysadmin".. Just being a fucknut and relieving stress JS From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 13:19:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03119 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 13:19:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03114 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 13:19:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id NAA12229; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 13:19:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 13:19:34 -0800 (PST) From: Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: inn 1.5.1 on freebsd Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We're looking at upgrading to inn 1.5.1 on our news server. (News is working right now, so we're either stupid or masochists.) Any pitfalls of using it under FreeBSD we should be aware of? Also, out of curiousity, what kind of improvements, if any, are people seeing when they upgrade? Thanks for any info. Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush ServNet/Abstract Software sjkb@abstractsoft.com http://www.serv.net/~begonia ``Just another one of the flock following the herd.'' From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 14:16:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA05236 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 14:16:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from sand.sentex.ca (sand.sentex.ca [206.222.77.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05228 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 14:16:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from gravel (gravel.sentex.ca [205.211.165.210]) by sand.sentex.ca (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA21238; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 17:18:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970308170433.00ac06e0@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 17:04:33 -0500 To: Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush , isp@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: inn 1.5.1 on freebsd In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:19 PM 3/08/97 -0800, Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush wrote: >We're looking at upgrading to inn 1.5.1 on our news server. (News is >working right now, so we're either stupid or masochists.) Any pitfalls of >using it under FreeBSD we should be aware of? Also, out of curiousity, >what kind of improvements, if any, are people seeing when they upgrade? We saw a significant improvement in the amount of articles we could process... Also, innd was much more responsive and memory friendly as well. It was worth the upgrade for us, and actually wasnt that painful at all. ---Mike ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatra (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 16:18:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10314 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 16:18:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (cedb.DPCSYS.com [209.25.4.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10308 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 16:18:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id AAA21255; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 00:17:55 GMT Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 16:17:53 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: sweeting@tm.net.my cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how would you set up a mail hub ? possible with one IP ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 8 Mar 1997 sweeting@tm.net.my wrote: > Is there any reason NOT to do this ? Nope, especially the part about replacing NT :) > > However, the mail hub (FBSDBox C) is posing a bit of a problem. > If i am not mistaken, this means that the zone file for, say, Avirtual2.com is : > > ; /etc/namedb/Avirtual2.zone : > ; Data file of hostnames in this zone. > ; > Avirtual2.com. IN SOA Areal.com. postmaster.Areal.com. ( > 24 300 60 1209600 43200 ) > ; > Avirtual2.com. IN NS nameserver1.com. > IN NS nameserver2.com. > Avirtual2.com. IN MX 10 mail.Avirtual2.com. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NO, your MX record needs to point at the real host > Avirtual2.com. IN A 202.184.153.99 > 202 IN CNAME 202.184.153.99. ??? I have *no* idea what the intent is here but it won't work no matter what. Remove it. > www.Avirtual2.com. IN CNAME Avirtual2.com. > The virtual mail domains on the mailhub are not the problem but it looks > like we will end up using 2 IP numbers for each domain. Not necessary, not even desirable. > is there any way to do this using just one IP number on the mailhub ? See above. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 17:20:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16626 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 17:20:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from goof.com (root@goof.com [128.173.247.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16601; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 17:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by goof.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10981; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 20:18:32 -0500 (EST) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199703090118.UAA10981@goof.com> Subject: freebsd as a news server? To: isp@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 20:18:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've recently configured a 200Mhz PPro on a TYAN motherboard with 128M ram and 45G of ultra wide scsi drives (5 9G drives total) hanging off an Adaptec 3940UW. Anyway, I initially had forgotten to up the per user process limit and open files limit. This thing's running innd. Anyway, I started getting messages about too many open files and no more processes (when many users connected at once). So I changed CHILD_MAX and OPEN_MAX to 1024 each. Since then, expire has been taking over 18 hours to run. It seems to have started after the reboot that changed the kernel. Does anyone have any idea why this would happen? What have others used for these limits to get better performance? Thanks in advance! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@goof.com http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 18:00:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA18443 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 18:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.210.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA18390; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 17:59:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.33] by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.59 #1) id 0w3Xtm-0004Ez-00; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 17:59:42 -0800 Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 17:59:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: "matthew c. mead" cc: isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: <199703090118.UAA10981@goof.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, matthew c. mead wrote: > I've recently configured a 200Mhz PPro on a TYAN motherboard > with 128M ram and 45G of ultra wide scsi drives (5 9G drives > total) hanging off an Adaptec 3940UW. Anyway, I initially had > forgotten to up the per user process limit and open files limit. > This thing's running innd. Anyway, I started getting messages > about too many open files and no more processes (when many users > connected at once). So I changed CHILD_MAX and OPEN_MAX to 1024 > each. Since then, expire has been taking over 18 hours to run. > It seems to have started after the reboot that changed the > kernel. Does anyone have any idea why this would happen? What > have others used for these limits to get better performance? > Thanks in advance! You don't have enough disks to get really good performance. 18 hours sounds about right for 45Gb on only 5 disks. I'm working on setting up a news server with a 11 disks (mostly 2 GB), and according to my info, that barely enough. Also, putting AHC_TAGENABLE in your kernel may speed things up a bit (see "man ahc"), if it doesn't crash your system. > -matt > > -- > Matthew C. Mead > > mmead@goof.com > http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ Tom From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 19:22:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA21426 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 19:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21406; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 19:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA27653; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 19:17:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <33222B1C.41C67EA6@whistle.com> Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 04:14:36 +0100 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Samplonius CC: "matthew c. mead" , isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tom Samplonius wrote: > > On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, matthew c. mead wrote: > > Since then, expire has been taking over 18 hours to run. > > It seems to have started after the reboot that changed the > > kernel. Does anyone have any idea why this would happen? What > > have others used for these limits to get better performance? > > Thanks in advance! > > You don't have enough disks to get really good performance. 18 hours > sounds about right for 45Gb on only 5 disks. > > I'm working on setting up a news server with a 11 disks (mostly 2 GB), > and according to my info, that barely enough. > > Also, putting AHC_TAGENABLE in your kernel may speed things up a bit > (see "man ahc"), if it doesn't crash your system. I really do suggest using -o noatime,async on mounted news partitions too (for 2.2) > > > -matt > > > > -- > > Matthew C. Mead > > > > mmead@goof.com > > http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ > > Tom From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 19:24:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA21577 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 19:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from goof.com (root@goof.com [128.173.247.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21547; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 19:24:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by goof.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA11753; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:22:40 -0500 (EST) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199703090322.WAA11753@goof.com> Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? To: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:22:40 -0500 (EST) Cc: tom@sdf.com, isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <33222B1C.41C67EA6@whistle.com> from "Julian Elischer" at Mar 9, 97 04:14:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Julian Elischer writes: > Tom Samplonius wrote: > > > > On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, matthew c. mead wrote: > > > > Since then, expire has been taking over 18 hours to run. > > > It seems to have started after the reboot that changed the > > > kernel. Does anyone have any idea why this would happen? What > > > have others used for these limits to get better performance? > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > You don't have enough disks to get really good performance. 18 hours > > sounds about right for 45Gb on only 5 disks. > > > > I'm working on setting up a news server with a 11 disks (mostly 2 GB), > > and according to my info, that barely enough. > > > > Also, putting AHC_TAGENABLE in your kernel may speed things up a bit > > (see "man ahc"), if it doesn't crash your system. > > I really do suggest using -o noatime,async > on mounted news partitions too (for 2.2) This system is a 2.1.6 installation. Do these recommendations change based on that? Thanks for the replies! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@goof.com http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 20:23:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA24083 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 20:23:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24061; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 20:23:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA28301; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 14:52:50 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199703090422.OAA28301@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: <199703090322.WAA11753@goof.com> from "matthew c. mead" at "Mar 8, 97 10:22:40 pm" To: mmead@goof.com (matthew c. mead) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 14:52:50 +1030 (CST) Cc: julian@whistle.com, tom@sdf.com, isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk matthew c. mead stands accused of saying: > > > > I really do suggest using -o noatime,async > > on mounted news partitions too (for 2.2) > > This system is a 2.1.6 installation. Do these > recommendations change based on that? Thanks for the replies! No async support in 2.1.6, but I believe that noatime is supported. You should _really_ go search the archives of the -hackers list for postings from Joe Greco regarding big news servers. In particular, you are using (probably) slow disks, your layout is likely to be wrong, and you don't have enough SCSI busses 8) > Matthew C. Mead -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 20:41:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA24835 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 20:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from goof.com (root@goof.com [128.173.247.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24813; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 20:41:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by goof.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA12069; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:39:17 -0500 (EST) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199703090439.XAA12069@goof.com> Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:39:17 -0500 (EST) Cc: julian@whistle.com, tom@sdf.com, isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703090422.OAA28301@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Mar 9, 97 02:52:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith writes: > matthew c. mead stands accused of saying: > > > > > > I really do suggest using -o noatime,async > > > on mounted news partitions too (for 2.2) > > > > This system is a 2.1.6 installation. Do these > > recommendations change based on that? Thanks for the replies! > No async support in 2.1.6, but I believe that noatime is supported. Hmm. No wonder I don't see any improvement in 2.1.6 mounting async and building the kernel. > You should _really_ go search the archives of the -hackers list for > postings from Joe Greco regarding big news servers. In particular, > you are using (probably) slow disks, your layout is likely to be > wrong, and you don't have enough SCSI busses 8) Hmm, the disks are far from slow. They're 9G micropolis SCSI-II fast, "ultra wide" disks. There is, however, one bus. There's only 5 drives on it. I'm interested in figuring out what's wrong with the layout. I've got the striping factor set to 255 blocks (per a suggestion in the docs for ccd). I'll try to have a looksee at the archives of -hackers. Would be nice to be able to get mailbox file format archives, though. :-) Thanks for your reply! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@goof.com http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 21:01:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA25685 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 21:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25663; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 21:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id WAA03157; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:01:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA08549; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:01:40 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:01:40 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko To: Michael Smith cc: isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: <199703090422.OAA28301@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Michael Smith wrote: > matthew c. mead stands accused of saying: > > > > > > I really do suggest using -o noatime,async > > > on mounted news partitions too (for 2.2) > > > > This system is a 2.1.6 installation. Do these > > recommendations change based on that? Thanks for the replies! > > No async support in 2.1.6, but I believe that noatime is supported. Wrong way around; no noatime in 2.1.6 (but it is easy to patch in), but there is async (but I think it is better(?) in 2.2...). Be warned if you mount your drives async then they may fail fsck on reboot if the system crashes and you may have to fsck manually before it will boot. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 21:35:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA27290 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 21:35:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from jennifer.pernet.net (jennifer.pernet.net [205.229.0.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27250; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 21:34:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from neal@localhost) by jennifer.pernet.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA13956; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:35:14 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:35:14 -0600 (CST) From: Neal Rigney To: "matthew c. mead" cc: Michael Smith , julian@whistle.com, tom@sdf.com, isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: <199703090439.XAA12069@goof.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hmm, the disks are far from slow. They're 9G micropolis > SCSI-II fast, "ultra wide" disks. There is, however, one bus. BIG problem there! If I remember Joe Greco's advice, you should have AT LEAST two/three busses. I put history and spool on seperate busses(I'm poor, I can't afford 15 SCSI controllers :) > There's only 5 drives on it. I'm interested in figuring out > what's wrong with the layout. I've got the striping factor set > to 255 blocks (per a suggestion in the docs for ccd). I'll try I've got the interleave set to 1k. I fiddled with the setting a little, and found 1k appeared to give the best performance. If I remember correctly, you want the "average" article to fit in one interleave. I may be way off on that though. With the interleave set to 1k, we're able to keep up with a releatively full feed (we don't get de.* and a couple non-english hierarchies). We've got SCSI time to burn it appears. No problem receiving the feed. Note, however, that we don't have many active feeds out(ok, only 1 "full" feed), and we have a relatively low reader count(we max out at about 45). On the other hand, we don't anywhere NEAR enough drive space(5G now, adding 4 next week). But overall, I don't have any problems. Our response time is good, and the system's not hiccupped in about 6 months. BTW: We're running 2.1.6 now. I don't think 2.1.6 does noatime though(maybe I'm just being dense here?) > to have a looksee at the archives of -hackers. Would be nice to > be able to get mailbox file format archives, though. :-) Thanks > for your reply! -- Neal Rigney, PERnet Communications, (409)729-4638 neal@mail.pernet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 22:14:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA29541 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:14:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29513; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id XAA05439; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA08940; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:14:07 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:14:06 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko To: "matthew c. mead" cc: isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: <199703090439.XAA12069@goof.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, matthew c. mead wrote: > Michael Smith writes: > > matthew c. mead stands accused of saying: > > > > > > > > I really do suggest using -o noatime,async > > > > on mounted news partitions too (for 2.2) > > > > > > This system is a 2.1.6 installation. Do these > > > recommendations change based on that? Thanks for the replies! > > > No async support in 2.1.6, but I believe that noatime is supported. > > Hmm. No wonder I don't see any improvement in 2.1.6 > mounting async and building the kernel. Try creating 5000 files, mounting async, then removing them. Try the same thing mounted sync. If you are close to the box and the drives aren't too quiet, you will be able to hear the difference in addition to just seeing a speed improvement. You should only notice a trivial difference mounting async for making the kernel; what mounting async does is change the fs so metadata updates are done with bdwrite instead of bwrite. bwrite blocks until the data is actually written to disk while bdwrite just marks the buffer dirty and allows it to be delayed for a while before it is actually written. When lots of files are being updated, allowing that buffering speeds things up a good bit. Making a kernel is generally cpu limited so mounting async doesn't help much; it wouldn't make any difference for raw throughput to a single file either. The reason why mounting async can be dangerous is that it can leave the metadata (ie. inode info) in an inconsistent state; I've never lost a fs from it, just a few files that were being written around the time a system crashed, but fsck often fails to automatically fix it. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 22:18:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA29900 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:18:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from goof.com (root@goof.com [128.173.247.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29858; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:18:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by goof.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA12521; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 01:16:11 -0500 (EST) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199703090616.BAA12521@goof.com> Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? To: marcs@znep.com (Marc Slemko) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 01:16:11 -0500 (EST) Cc: isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Marc Slemko" at Mar 8, 97 11:14:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Marc Slemko writes: > On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, matthew c. mead wrote: > > > Michael Smith writes: > > > matthew c. mead stands accused of saying: > > > > > > > > > > I really do suggest using -o noatime,async > > > > > on mounted news partitions too (for 2.2) > > > > > > > > This system is a 2.1.6 installation. Do these > > > > recommendations change based on that? Thanks for the replies! > > > > > No async support in 2.1.6, but I believe that noatime is supported. > > > > Hmm. No wonder I don't see any improvement in 2.1.6 > > mounting async and building the kernel. > > Try creating 5000 files, mounting async, then removing them. Try the same > thing mounted sync. If you are close to the box and the drives aren't too > quiet, you will be able to hear the difference in addition to just seeing > a speed improvement. You should only notice a trivial difference mounting > async for making the kernel; what mounting async does is change the fs so > metadata updates are done with bdwrite instead of bwrite. bwrite blocks > until the data is actually written to disk while bdwrite just marks the > buffer dirty and allows it to be delayed for a while before it is actually > written. When lots of files are being updated, allowing that buffering > speeds things up a good bit. Making a kernel is generally cpu limited so > mounting async doesn't help much; it wouldn't make any difference for raw > throughput to a single file either. > > The reason why mounting async can be dangerous is that it can leave the > metadata (ie. inode info) in an inconsistent state; I've never lost a fs > from it, just a few files that were being written around the time a system > crashed, but fsck often fails to automatically fix it. Hmm. The above seems to suggest that the practice of mounting async when doing a make work wouldn't help, but I recall it making a pretty measurable difference. What I meant in the question I asked was, considering that I'm running 2.1.6, mounting async probably doesn't make any difference. Is that the case? Or am I just not testing things that would make any difference? Thanks for the reply! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@goof.com http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 22:39:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA01096 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:39:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01073; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:39:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id XAA06335; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:39:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA09130; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:39:06 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:39:06 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko To: "matthew c. mead" cc: isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: <199703090616.BAA12521@goof.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, matthew c. mead wrote: > Hmm. The above seems to suggest that the practice of > mounting async when doing a make work wouldn't help, but I recall > it making a pretty measurable difference. What I meant in the In a make world there are a lot more files being updated (eg. when it cleans the object tree) than in a kernel make. > question I asked was, considering that I'm running 2.1.6, > mounting async probably doesn't make any difference. Is that the > case? Or am I just not testing things that would make any > difference? Thanks for the reply! As I said, making a kernel will not show any big difference; try creating and removing a large number of files. say something like: #!/usr/bin/perl for ($i = 0; $i < 1000; $i++) { open(F, ">test.$i"); close F; } for ($i = 0; $i < 1000; $i++) { unlink("test.$i"); } This gives me 36.62 seconds sync and a drive that sounds like it is trying to chew on a pengiun vs. 22.99 async and an almost silent drive. There would be a bigger difference if: - there were other processes competing for the disk; the extra seeks that being mounted sync generates would hurt a lot more. - the filesystem wasn't as clean; this was done an an empty, unused filesystem. As I posted earlier, the feature is there in 2.1.6. It affects more things in 2.2 but still has a big impact in 2.1 (I did the above test on a 2.1-stable box) for the right things. News is one of those things. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 22:55:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA02156 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on8-10.netcom.ca [207.181.82.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02127; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:55:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id BAA22890; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 01:55:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 01:55:08 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: "matthew c. mead" cc: isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: <199703090439.XAA12069@goof.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, matthew c. mead wrote: > > I've got the striping factor set to 255 blocks (per a suggestion in > the docs for ccd). For a news server, a stripe size of 65536 blocks (32 megabytes) will give you optimal results, due to the mechanics of UFS's file and directory layout in a cylinder group (which by default is 32MB). That ccd configuration will tend to localize all disk access related to reading a random file to a single drive in your array, thus allowing maximum concurrency across the RAID. This is why having many smaller disks is better than having a few larger disks. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 23:11:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA03353 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on8-10.netcom.ca [207.181.82.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA03334; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:11:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id CAA23074; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 02:11:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 02:11:31 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: "matthew c. mead" cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: <199703090118.UAA10981@goof.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, matthew c. mead wrote: > > I've recently configured a 200Mhz PPro on a TYAN motherboard with > 128M ram and 45G of ultra wide scsi drives (5 9G drives total) > hanging off an Adaptec 3940UW. Your disks are probably the bottleneck here, and definitely not the CPU. I have setup two news servers whose daily expires would consistently take just over an hour. One had 9 2GB drives split across three NCR53c810 controllers and the other had 12 2GB wide drives split across two Adaptec 2940UW controllers. The former was a P133 and the latter a PPro200, both with 128MB of RAM. My news.daily script would mount -u the spool filesystems async just before the fastrm phase, then sync the disks and remount them synchronously. I was seeing upwards of 1000 unlinks per second on the async filesystem, or 40-50 times faster than a sync filesystem, IIRC. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 23:20:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA04081 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:20:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on8-10.netcom.ca [207.181.82.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA04045; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id CAA23119; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 02:20:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 02:20:26 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao Reply-To: Brian Tao To: Marc Slemko cc: "matthew c. mead" , isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, Marc Slemko wrote: > > #!/usr/bin/perl > for ($i = 0; $i < 1000; $i++) { > open(F, ">test.$i"); > close F; > } > for ($i = 0; $i < 1000; $i++) { > unlink("test.$i"); > } > > This gives me 36.62 seconds sync and a drive that sounds like it is > trying to chew on a pengiun vs. 22.99 async and an almost silent > drive. I was quite sure the difference was much greater, so I tried it on my system at home after seeing your numbers: # mount -u -o async,noatime / # cd /tmp ; time touch `jot 1000` ; time rm `jot 1000` 0.055u 1.452s 0:01.55 96.7% 17+186k 1+24io 0pf+0w 0.062u 0.371s 0:01.10 39.0% 175+244k 0+23io 0pf+0w # sync # mount -u / # time touch `jot 1000` ; time rm `jot 1000` 0.062u 1.655s 0:34.51 4.9% 16+183k 0+2023io 0pf+0w 0.047u 0.618s 0:30.19 2.1% 178+242k 0+2000io 0pf+0w 2.65s vs. 64.70s in tcsh, and 1.72s vs. 44.44s using your perl example. Why the large discrepancy in async times, I wonder? -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 23:29:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA04796 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:29:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from dnai.com (dnai.com [140.174.162.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA04791 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mars.dnai.com (mars.dnai.com [140.174.162.14]) by dnai.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA04121 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:29:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:29:02 -0800 (PST) From: Dror Matalon Reply-To: Dror Matalon To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Billing Software In-Reply-To: <199703080915.DAA13191@shell.futuresouth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, Tim Tsai wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Eddie Fry wrote: > > > product called UTA that might do what you want. It's very flexible, but > > > not a GUI, yet. You'll probably want to talk to Tom Duff, Dave Seigel, > > > or Scott Thacker (x102). Their # is (520)428-5856. > > > > I think $19995.00 unlimited license says it all. Already looked at their > > software and for the price... nah... > > Check out http://www.boardtown.com Nope, this one won't do either. Here's what they say on their web site. The power of Microsoft SQL Server as your backend means that no matter how many customers or staff users you have, your performance will be top notch. Plus, you won't have to deal with the aggravation of data corruption that Access/.DBF based billing packages WILL have. Microsoft SQL Server can't be beat for security, reliablity, and performance on the Windows platform. Using Microsoft IIS, you can intergrate your Platypus data with interactive web pages as well. Not the right solution for FreeBSD shops. The solution I'd like to see would include the following components. 1. Server runs of Freebsd and other flavors of Unix. 2. Use Postgres95 as the database. It works well and it's free. The FreeBSD or databases. 3. Use CGI and PERL for the development language. 4. Use web browsers for front end. We've done parts of this in house, but we'd rather focus on being an ISP than developing billing packages. Dror Matalon Voice: 510 649-6110 Direct Network Access Fax: 510 649-7130 2039 Shattuck Avenue Modem: 510 649-6116 Berkeley, CA 94704 Email: dror@dnai.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 8 23:31:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA04886 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:31:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA04861; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id AAA08370; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 00:31:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA09446; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 00:31:39 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 00:31:38 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko To: Brian Tao cc: "matthew c. mead" , isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You are probably using 2.2 or -current, right? On a 2.2 system I get similar results to yours. On 2.1, async mounts only change one bit of ffs code. In 2.2, they make more things async. I don't think the difference in real life between 2.1 async and 2.2 async is as big as in a test like this. On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Brian Tao wrote: > On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, Marc Slemko wrote: > > > > #!/usr/bin/perl > > for ($i = 0; $i < 1000; $i++) { > > open(F, ">test.$i"); > > close F; > > } > > for ($i = 0; $i < 1000; $i++) { > > unlink("test.$i"); > > } > > > > This gives me 36.62 seconds sync and a drive that sounds like it is > > trying to chew on a pengiun vs. 22.99 async and an almost silent > > drive. > > I was quite sure the difference was much greater, so I tried it on > my system at home after seeing your numbers: > > # mount -u -o async,noatime / > # cd /tmp ; time touch `jot 1000` ; time rm `jot 1000` > 0.055u 1.452s 0:01.55 96.7% 17+186k 1+24io 0pf+0w > 0.062u 0.371s 0:01.10 39.0% 175+244k 0+23io 0pf+0w > # sync > # mount -u / > # time touch `jot 1000` ; time rm `jot 1000` > 0.062u 1.655s 0:34.51 4.9% 16+183k 0+2023io 0pf+0w > 0.047u 0.618s 0:30.19 2.1% 178+242k 0+2000io 0pf+0w > > 2.65s vs. 64.70s in tcsh, and 1.72s vs. 44.44s using your perl > example. Why the large discrepancy in async times, I wonder? > -- > Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) > "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" > >