From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 9 00:18:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA07675 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 00:18:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on8-10.netcom.ca [207.181.82.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA07652; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 00:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id DAA23171; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 03:18:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 03:18:30 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Marc Slemko cc: "matthew c. mead" , isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Marc Slemko wrote: > > You are probably using 2.2 or -current, right? On a 2.2 system I > get similar results to yours. On 2.1, async mounts only change one > bit of ffs code. In 2.2, they make more things async. Yes, that's right. My home machine is a 2.2-BETA system. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 9 01:08:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA09802 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 01:08:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.futuresouth.com (mail.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA09797 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 01:08:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (tim@shell.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.20]) by mail.futuresouth.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01400; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 03:08:10 -0600 (CST) From: Tim Tsai Received: (from tim@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) id DAA00635; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 03:08:09 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703090908.DAA00635@shell.futuresouth.com> Subject: Re: ISP Billing Software To: dror@dnai.com Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 03:08:09 -0600 (CST) Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from Dror Matalon at "Mar 8, 97 11:29:02 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Check out http://www.boardtown.com > > Nope, this one won't do either. Here's what they say on their web site. > > The power of Microsoft SQL Server as your backend means that > no matter how many customers or staff users you have, your > performance will be top notch. Plus, you won't have to deal with > the aggravation of data corruption that Access/.DBF based billing > packages WILL have. Microsoft SQL Server can't be beat for security, > reliablity, and performance on the Windows platform. Using Microsoft > IIS, you can intergrate your Platypus data with interactive web > pages as well. > > Not the right solution for FreeBSD shops. The solution I'd like to see > would include the following components. We're a FreeBSD shop but we're running Platypus. Actually, most ISP's I know of have a combination of Windows 95/NT, Macintosh, and Unix machines. We already have an NT machine and most of our staff run Windows 95 so Platypus fits us well (OK, the fact that I know the developers help too). > 1. Server runs of Freebsd and other flavors of Unix. > 2. Use Postgres95 as the database. It works well and it's free. The FreeBSD > or databases. > 3. Use CGI and PERL for the development language. > 4. Use web browsers for front end. This sounds good in theory but I think the resulting product will not be very useful. Commercial software today demand a higher level of sophistication than what you have outlined can provide in any kind of reasonable effort. Does Postgres95 have a graphical administration tool? Does it come with a Windows client to make SQL queries? Can I look at the database with Access and generate custom reports using point and click? Perhaps there is an ODBC driver for Postgres95/FreeBSD, but is it free? How do you propose to automatically handle credit card transactions? Is this software free? Do you balance your checkbook with Postgres95 and FreeBSD? OK, maybe you do, but I'd rather stick with MS Money. As much as I like Unix/FreeBSD I don't try to solve all my problems with it. Heck, in my alternate life I write embedded software for GPS navigation and FreeBSD would not be the right tool for this job. Also, I think it's a moot point to argue that FreeBSD/Postgres is free. Platypus costs something like $2500 for unlimited users. Add in the cost for an NT machine + SQL server it's still less expensive than any UNIX ISP Billing package that I know of. > We've done parts of this in house, but we'd rather focus on being an > ISP than developing billing packages. I agree with you completely and that's why I had no trouble putting together an NT machine to run SQL Server and Platypus. It solves my problems TODAY. Tim From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 9 04:17:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA17160 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 04:17:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sand.sentex.ca (sand.sentex.ca [206.222.77.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA17129 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 04:17:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from gravel (gravel.sentex.ca [205.211.165.210]) by sand.sentex.ca (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id HAA22129; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 07:19:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970309070606.00a62310@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 07:06:06 -0500 To: "matthew c. mead" , isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: <199703090118.UAA10981@goof.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 08:18 PM 3/08/97 -0500, matthew c. mead wrote: > I've recently configured a 200Mhz PPro on a TYAN motherboard >with 128M ram and 45G of ultra wide scsi drives (5 9G drives >total) hanging off an Adaptec 3940UW. As many people will tell you, a) Get multiple SCSI controllers... You would be better off with 3 slightly lower grade controllers than just 1 b) Get multple HDs. You are getting beat up by the fact that you have so few (relative to your volume) HDs. The major performance issue on a news machine is seek time of the HD. I would think 10 4 gig drives-- one dedicated to the news binraries and history db; One dedicated to the .overview tree; the rest for the news spool.. Would be a lot better than a few really big HDs... c)Also, another 128Meg of RAM would help as well. If your budget is alread maxed out, at least try and separate the .overview tree on a new separate HD. ---Mike ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatra (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 9 04:39:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA18605 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 04:39:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from smople.thehub.com.au (smople.thehub.com.au [203.17.162.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA18598 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 04:39:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from richard@localhost) by smople.thehub.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA15016; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 22:38:54 +1000 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 22:38:54 +1000 (EST) From: Richard J Uren To: Bill Grunfelder cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Radius & Xylogics Remote Annex 4000 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970307115237.009a9510@pop.cyberwar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Bill Grunfelder wrote: > > Has anyone had experience getting a Xylogics Remote Annex 4000 to use > Radius authentication? Actually, I'm having difficulty finding some GOOD > documentation on configuring radius...any pointers would be appreciated.. > > Thanks, > Hey Bill, We had a look about and couldn't find any such thing so we wrote a script to convert annex logfiles to radius format. But if you found something I would be interested. Cheers Richard From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 9 05:20:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA20398 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 05:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from smople.thehub.com.au (smople.thehub.com.au [203.17.162.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA20391 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 05:20:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from richard@localhost) by smople.thehub.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA16031; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:20:13 +1000 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:20:13 +1000 (EST) From: Richard J Uren To: Tim Tsai cc: dror@dnai.com, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Billing Software In-Reply-To: <199703090908.DAA00635@shell.futuresouth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Tim Tsai wrote: > I agree with you completely and that's why I had no trouble putting > together an NT machine to run SQL Server and Platypus. It solves my > problems TODAY. > > Tim We have 4 FreeBSD servers, an office with win95 PC's and an NT server with Platypus & SQL Server. Tim makes a number of good points. Really you just need some software to do the job. Platypus does the job - Its SQL based so adhoc reporting is easy, its client server so you can have 5 (or N) people doing things at once and the best thing is I didn't have to write it. I think it will be a long while before something gets developed in Postgres with X. Cheers Richard From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 9 05:35:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA22024 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 05:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from sand.sentex.ca (sand.sentex.ca [206.222.77.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA22017 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 05:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from gravel (gravel.sentex.ca [205.211.165.210]) by sand.sentex.ca (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id IAA22209; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 08:37:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970309082411.00a70c90@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 08:24:11 -0500 To: Brian Tao From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Async vs sync (was Re: freebsd as a news server?) Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199703090118.UAA10981@goof.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > My news.daily script would mount -u the spool filesystems async >just before the fastrm phase, then sync the disks and remount them >synchronously. I was seeing upwards of 1000 unlinks per second on the >async filesystem, or 40-50 times faster than a sync filesystem, IIRC. Hi, two quick questions around this... To do what your are describing above, are you saying add something like sync mount -u -o async /usr/local/newsspool sync mount -u -o async /usr/local/newsspool/over.view sync mount -u -o async /usr/local/newsspool/alt/binaries sync . . . and so on... /usr/local/news/bin/expire -s -v1 >>/var/log/expire.log sync mount -u -o sync /usr/local/newsspool . . . and so on... Also, what is the fastrm phase ? Is this a different method than the default used in expire to remove articles ? We are running a 2.1.5 release machine with innd 1.5.1 Thanks, ---Mike ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatra (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 9 09:19:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01199 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 09:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from jennifer.pernet.net (jennifer.pernet.net [205.229.0.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01192 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 09:19:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from neal@localhost) by jennifer.pernet.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA22028; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 11:20:07 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 11:20:07 -0600 (CST) From: Neal Rigney To: Dror Matalon cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Billing Software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Not the right solution for FreeBSD shops. The solution I'd like to see > would include the following components. > > 1. Server runs of Freebsd and other flavors of Unix. > 2. Use Postgres95 as the database. It works well and it's free. The FreeBSD > or databases. > 3. Use CGI and PERL for the development language. > 4. Use web browsers for front end. > > We've done parts of this in house, but we'd rather focus on being an > ISP than developing billing packages. > Would it be too much of a stretch to suggest maybe a group of us(isp'ers) get together and write this software? It seems that everyone has the same problem: they can't find software that fits their needs exactly. I know what we're using works, but not *exactly* the way we want it to work. Look what the "sommunity" effort has done for FreeBSD, etc. Maybe we can do the same for billing software? > Dror Matalon Voice: 510 649-6110 > Direct Network Access Fax: 510 649-7130 > 2039 Shattuck Avenue Modem: 510 649-6116 > Berkeley, CA 94704 Email: dror@dnai.com > > -- Neal Rigney, PERnet Communications, (409)729-4638 neal@mail.pernet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 9 09:43:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02088 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 09:43:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on1-02.netcom.ca [207.181.81.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02073 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 09:42:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA26198; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 12:42:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 12:42:42 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Mike Tancsa cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Async vs sync (was Re: freebsd as a news server?) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970309082411.00a70c90@sentex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > Also, what is the fastrm phase ? Is this a different method than the > default used in expire to remove articles ? We are running a 2.1.5 > release machine with innd 1.5.1 Yes, check your news.daily man page. My experience is with INN 1.4.x, so it may differ with 1.5.x. You can give it an argument (delayrm) that tells it to create a file with a list of all the articles to be deleted. It will not delete articles "as it goes", but instead save up the list of filenames, sort them, then delete them all at once at the end of the expiry run. I find this method works a lot faster than deleting articles while it scans your history file during an expire. Scan through your news.daily script and find the part that calls the expirerm script. Add the commands to mount your news article spool filesystems async before the expirerm script is called (you don't need to sync in between each one). Then put a sync, and those same lines after the expirerm call but without the "-o async" part. That will cause expirerm to run on asynchronous filesystems while it deletes files, then puts them back to synchronous mode afterwards. The only caveat is that each filesystem is at risk of being completely blown away if your server crashes during an expire, because of the asynchronous disk updates. You might want to try it anyway to see how much of a speed up you get. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 9 09:52:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02569 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 09:52:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from jennifer.pernet.net (jennifer.pernet.net [205.229.0.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02564 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 09:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from neal@localhost) by jennifer.pernet.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA22396; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 11:53:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 11:53:08 -0600 (CST) From: Neal Rigney To: Dror Matalon , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Billing Software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ack! sommunity=community -- Neal Rigney, PERnet Communications, (409)729-4638 neal@mail.pernet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 9 10:08:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03211 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 10:08:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03206 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 10:08:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA24374; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 10:08:38 -0800 (PST) To: Neal Rigney cc: Dror Matalon , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Billing Software In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 09 Mar 1997 11:20:07 CST." Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 10:08:38 -0800 Message-ID: <24370.857930918@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Would it be too much of a stretch to suggest maybe a group of us(isp'ers) > get together and write this software? It seems that everyone has the > same problem: they can't find software that fits their needs exactly. I > know what we're using works, but not *exactly* the way we want it to > work. I think it would be phenominally great for the ISPs to get together and do this, adding more weight to the arguments in favor of UNIX as a better, cheaper solution than NT for ISPs. If you wanted to make money on the final result, you could even do an NT version and soak the NT users for it if they want to run the billing system from a non-UNIX server. :-) However, history also shows that it's probably not going to happen as a group thing. Truly useful items of free "commercial quality" software like gcc, samba, and I daresay even FreeBSD, get written by a single developer or close-knit development shop working away in a corner, far away from anything even resembling a committee. Committee design efforts are death to stuff like this. It's going to take one or two people, working from a single Grand Vision of how to do flexible billing from a wide variety of data sources and scaled across a large number of organizational types, to basically knock the framework together and gather enough of an initial user base with the first ALPHA release that the ball starts rolling. Once it's got 10 or more customers and the core developers have proven their committment to improving and providing focus for the product, I think that its future would be fairly bright. These initial developers would have to be willing to volunteer their time and energy for uncertain (and possibly no) rewards, of course, and they'd have to be willing to invest at least 9 months of hard work into it, but all that done, I think they'd have a pretty significant shot at becoming the next "Apache" of the ISP billing software community. It's a long-shot, naturally, but then I'm sure that Dan Heller never expected to become a multi-millionare when he started giving away MUSH, either. :-) That effort eventually grew into Z-Mail and the rest is history. I don't think that this necessarily has that kind of potential, but it could probably eventually provide a tidy living for at least a couple of maintainers (and all done as "free software", so you get the warm fuzzies as a fringe benefit :-). Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 9 10:37:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04381 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 10:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from dnai.com (dnai.com [140.174.162.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04375 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 10:37:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mars.dnai.com (mars.dnai.com [140.174.162.14]) by dnai.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29653; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 10:36:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 10:36:34 -0800 (PST) From: Dror Matalon To: Tim Tsai cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISP Billing Software In-Reply-To: <199703090908.DAA00635@shell.futuresouth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Tim Tsai wrote: > > > Check out http://www.boardtown.com > > > > Nope, this one won't do either. Here's what they say on their web site. > > > > The power of Microsoft SQL Server as your backend means that > > no matter how many customers or staff users you have, your > > performance will be top notch. Plus, you won't have to deal with > > the aggravation of data corruption that Access/.DBF based billing > > packages WILL have. Microsoft SQL Server can't be beat for security, > > reliablity, and performance on the Windows platform. Using Microsoft > > IIS, you can intergrate your Platypus data with interactive web > > pages as well. > > > > Not the right solution for FreeBSD shops. The solution I'd like to see > > would include the following components. > > We're a FreeBSD shop but we're running Platypus. Actually, most ISP's > I know of have a combination of Windows 95/NT, Macintosh, and Unix > machines. We already have an NT machine and most of our staff run > Windows 95 so Platypus fits us well (OK, the fact that I know the > developers help too). I certainly didn't plan on starting a religious war. When I say that we're a FreeBSD shop I mean that given a chance we'll run anything on FreeBSD rather than Sun, NT or anything else. That said we do have a Sparc server that we use for historical reasons, and I believe in using in using the right tool for the job. > > > 1. Server runs of Freebsd and other flavors of Unix. > > 2. Use Postgres95 as the database. It works well and it's free. The FreeBSD > > or databases. > > 3. Use CGI and PERL for the development language. > > 4. Use web browsers for front end. > > This sounds good in theory but I think the resulting product will not > be very useful. Commercial software today demand a higher level of > sophistication than what you have outlined can provide in any kind of > reasonable effort. Does Postgres95 have a graphical administration tool? No, Postgres does not have a graphical administration tool. Freebsd doesn't either. They're very similar in that respect. > Does it come with a Windows client to make SQL queries? Can I look at > the database with Access and generate custom reports using point and click? > Perhaps there is an ODBC driver for Postgres95/FreeBSD, but is it free? That's where items 3, and 4 come into place. You use your web browser as your front end. Every platform that I know off has a browser, so this setup actually has more flexibility than the one you described. > How do you propose to automatically handle credit card transactions? Is > this software free? Do you balance your checkbook with Postgres95 and > FreeBSD? OK, maybe you do, but I'd rather stick with MS Money. As much Wait. We're talking billing, not accounting. For accounting we use QuickBooks of a windows 95 machine. Different animal. > as I like Unix/FreeBSD I don't try to solve all my problems with it. > Heck, in my alternate life I write embedded software for GPS navigation > and FreeBSD would not be the right tool for this job. > > Also, I think it's a moot point to argue that FreeBSD/Postgres is > free. Platypus costs something like $2500 for unlimited users. Add in > the cost for an NT machine + SQL server it's still less expensive than > any UNIX ISP Billing package that I know of. > > > We've done parts of this in house, but we'd rather focus on being an > > ISP than developing billing packages. > > I agree with you completely and that's why I had no trouble putting > together an NT machine to run SQL Server and Platypus. It solves my > problems TODAY. That's probably the right solution for you. I suspect that it wouldn't work for us. Different ISPs have different needs. I outlined my wish list. I was suggesting a solution for what I was thinking of as a "FreeBSD shop," a place that would rather use FreeBSD, perl and unix scripts to have the flexibility and source code to all the different components. Obviously there are ISPs that feel more comfortable with NT, SQL server and "commercial" software, they should Platypus or something like it. Dror Matalon Voice: 510 649-6110 Direct Network Access Fax: 510 649-7130 2039 Shattuck Avenue Modem: 510 649-6116 Berkeley, CA 94704 Email: dror@dnai.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 9 17:42:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28211 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 17:42:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from blue.thrunet.net (ns2.thrunet.net [206.98.22.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA28205 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 17:42:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by blue.thrunet.net (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id TAA08291; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 19:36:48 -0600 Received: from windozer.thrunet.net(206.98.23.97) by blue.thrunet.net via smap (g3.0.1) id sma008289; Sun, 9 Mar 97 19:36:47 -0600 Received: by windozer.thrunet.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BC2CBE.AC877C60@windozer.thrunet.net>; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 19:18:30 -0600 Message-ID: <01BC2CBE.AC877C60@windozer.thrunet.net> From: "Robert J. Strickler" To: "'isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: disktab entry for seagate ST410800W Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 19:18:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id RAA28207 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk silly me, I started the format and now I can't do a "disklabel" on the disk until it finishes and the Seagate webpage was not mush help for sectors/track. Could some kind soul post up their entry? Thanx, Bob From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 9 21:33:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA06524 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 21:33:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from pahtoh.cwu.edu (root@pahtoh.cwu.edu [198.104.65.27]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA06518 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 21:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from opus.cts.cwu.edu (skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu [198.104.92.71]) by pahtoh.cwu.edu (8.6.13/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA16473; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 21:33:54 -0800 Received: from localhost (skynyrd@localhost) by opus.cts.cwu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA29789; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 21:33:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 21:33:51 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Timmons To: "Robert J. Strickler" cc: "'isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: disktab entry for seagate ST410800W In-Reply-To: <01BC2CBE.AC877C60@windozer.thrunet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Robert, That's a SCSI disk, right? disklabel -w -B sd{n} auto ... works pretty good to get started, then you can edit the output of disklabel to put some partitions in, and then disklabel -R sd{n} {proto-file} to finally get it set the way you want. hope this helps, -Chris On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Robert J. Strickler wrote: > silly me, I started the format and now I can't do a "disklabel" > on the disk until it finishes and the Seagate webpage was not mush help > for sectors/track. Could some kind soul post up their entry? > > Thanx, Bob > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 9 23:47:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA00984 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:47:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00949; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.210.193]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id XAA08168 ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:26:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.33] by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.59 #1) id 0w3zSM-0002ds-00; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:25:14 -0800 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:25:14 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Brian Tao cc: "matthew c. mead" , isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Brian Tao wrote: > On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, matthew c. mead wrote: > > > > I've got the striping factor set to 255 blocks (per a suggestion in > > the docs for ccd). > > For a news server, a stripe size of 65536 blocks (32 megabytes) > will give you optimal results, due to the mechanics of UFS's file and > directory layout in a cylinder group (which by default is 32MB). That > ccd configuration will tend to localize all disk access related to > reading a random file to a single drive in your array, thus allowing > maximum concurrency across the RAID. This is why having many smaller > disks is better than having a few larger disks. > -- > Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) > "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" > > > But isn't choosing block and fragment sizes very important as well? The default of 8192 and 1024 seems fast, but seems to be wasting space. I remember Joe Greco mentioning something about disappointing file system performance if these are messed with the wrong way. Tom From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 10 09:01:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02176 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from sand.sentex.ca (sand.sentex.ca [206.222.77.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02171 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from gravel (gravel.sentex.ca [205.211.165.210]) by sand.sentex.ca (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA25484; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:04:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970310114937.0098b100@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:49:37 -0500 To: Brian Tao From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: Async vs sync (was Re: freebsd as a news server?) Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19970309082411.00a70c90@sentex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:42 PM 3/09/97 -0500, Brian Tao wrote: >On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: >> >> Also, what is the fastrm phase ? Is this a different method than the >> default used in expire to remove articles ? We are running a 2.1.5 >> release machine with innd 1.5.1 > Thank you very much for the detailed response! I tried this new method, and it does indeed work much faster! > The only caveat is that each filesystem is at risk of being >completely blown away if your server crashes during an expire, because >of the asynchronous disk updates. You might want to try it anyway to >see how much of a speed up you get. The delete updates do indeed blaze by compared to when its in synch mode. Do you personally run expirerm in async mode ? What about the over.view tree.. I have it on a separate drive... It too would benefit during expireover no ? Or am I playing with fire on that drive.... Thanks again, ---Mike ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatra (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 10 11:41:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA18473 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from bellind.com ([206.101.34.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18468 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:41:30 -0800 (PST) From: RGireyev@bellind.com Received: from cdcexchange.bellind.com ([170.1.130.2]) by firewall.bellind.com with SMTP id <3666-1>; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:38:18 -0800 Received: by cdcexchange.bellind.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BC2D48.A1151560@cdcexchange.bellind.com>; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:46:02 -0800 Message-ID: To: Cc: Subject: RE: disktab entry for seagate ST410800W Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:46:00 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Robert if no one replies to your email then try 1-800-SEAGATE. It's an automated answering system but this one is actually useful. I use it all the time. Once you go down deeo enough in the telephone key menu it will eventually ask you to enter the model number of your drive. Once you enter the model number the prerecoreded message will tell you all the stuff relevant to your drive. Good Luck. Rudy. >---------- >From: Robert J. Strickler[SMTP:rstrickler@thrunet.net] >Sent: Sunday, March 09, 1997 5:18 PM >To: 'isp@freebsd.org' >Subject: disktab entry for seagate ST410800W > >silly me, I started the format and now I can't do a "disklabel" on the >disk until it finishes and the Seagate webpage was not mush help for >sectors/track. Could some kind soul post up their entry? > >Thanx, Bob > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 10 13:12:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA24682 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:12:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from vex.net (vex.net [207.207.191.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24602; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:11:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from vex.net(really [207.207.191.193]) by vex.net via sendmail with smtp id for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 16:11:38 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.90 1996-Dec-4 #4 built 1997-Jan-8) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 16:11:38 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Tom Samplonius cc: "matthew c. mead" , isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Tom Samplonius wrote: > > But isn't choosing block and fragment sizes very important as well? I would imagine so, but the default values chosen by newfs appear to work quite well. I just bump up the number of inodes reserved on a news spool filesystem; everything else uses the default values. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 10 13:14:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA24893 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:14:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from vex.net (vex.net [207.207.191.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24888 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from vex.net(really [207.207.191.193]) by vex.net via sendmail with smtp id for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 16:14:22 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.90 1996-Dec-4 #4 built 1997-Jan-8) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 16:14:22 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Mike Tancsa cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Async vs sync (was Re: freebsd as a news server?) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970310114937.0098b100@sentex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > Thank you very much for the detailed response! I tried this new > method, and it does indeed work much faster! The fastrm utility is optimized to remove a large number of files from the same directory, which is why news.daily sorts the list of files before passing it to fastrm. > The delete updates do indeed blaze by compared to when its in synch > mode. Do you personally run expirerm in async mode ? What about > the over.view tree.. I have it on a separate drive... It too would > benefit during expireover no ? Or am I playing with fire on that > drive.... I don't think you'll see as much of an improvement doing expireovers, because you're only talking about one overviews file per newsgroups, versus thousands of articles per newsgroup. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 10 14:30:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03246 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:30:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03183; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:29:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.5/CET-v2.1) with SMTP id WAA03769; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:29:38 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 07:29:37 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Brian Tao cc: Tom Samplonius , "matthew c. mead" , isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Brian Tao wrote: > On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Tom Samplonius wrote: > > > > But isn't choosing block and fragment sizes very important as well? > > I would imagine so, but the default values chosen by newfs appear > to work quite well. I just bump up the number of inodes reserved on a > news spool filesystem; everything else uses the default values. I've been using -i 3072 -b 4096 -f 1024 -a 8 for non-binary newsgroups and the default for binary newsgroups. This way news articles on average will fit in a block. Regards, Mike Hancock From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 10 15:04:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05569 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:04:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.210.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA05558; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:04:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.33] by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.59 #1) id 0w4E7F-00063e-00; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:04:25 -0800 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:04:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Michael Hancock cc: Brian Tao , "matthew c. mead" , isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Michael Hancock wrote: ... > I've been using -i 3072 -b 4096 -f 1024 -a 8 for non-binary newsgroups and > the default for binary newsgroups. > > This way news articles on average will fit in a block. You always want maxcontig to beigger than 8. It has nothing to do with file allocation, only have many sectors are transfered at once to the driver. Tom From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 10 18:10:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA18573 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:10:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18550; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:10:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.5/CET-v2.1) with SMTP id CAA05248; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 02:10:27 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:10:27 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Tom Samplonius cc: Brian Tao , "matthew c. mead" , isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Tom Samplonius wrote: > On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Michael Hancock wrote: > > ... > > I've been using -i 3072 -b 4096 -f 1024 -a 8 for non-binary newsgroups and > > the default for binary newsgroups. > > > > This way news articles on average will fit in a block. > > You always want maxcontig to beigger than 8. It has nothing to do with > file allocation, only have many sectors are transfered at once to the > driver. And the magic number is ____. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 10 18:14:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA18796 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:14:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from phil.digitaladvantage.net (phil.digitaladvantage.net [207.40.157.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18783 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:14:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from pamela.digitaladvantage.net (pamela.digitaladvantage.net [208.18.129.16]) by phil.digitaladvantage.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA15397 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:05:08 -0600 (CST) From: rpanula@dacmail.net (Russ Panula) To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: scrypt vs. descrypt Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:23:05 -0600 Organization: Digital Advantage Corporation Reply-To: rpanula@dacmail.net Message-ID: <3324c14d.14437919@mail.digitaladvantage.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id SAA18791 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quick, probably easy question here: What's the difference between the 'scrypt' library and the 'descrypt' library? I'm assuming one's exportable and one's not... Russ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 10 19:20:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA21662 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:20:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21592 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:19:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA23595; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:21:16 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:21:15 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Russ Panula cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: scrypt vs. descrypt In-Reply-To: <3324c14d.14437919@mail.digitaladvantage.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Russ Panula wrote: > Quick, probably easy question here: > > What's the difference between the 'scrypt' library and the 'descrypt' > library? I'm assuming one's exportable and one's not... scrypt contains a crypt() function which only does MD5 passwords. descrypt contains a crypt() function which does DES and MD5 passwords, and contains goodies for encrypting data. descrypt is not to be exported outside the USA, even if you got it from somewhere else. If you are outside the USA, you can get descrypt from ftp.internat.freebsd.org. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 10 19:41:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA23134 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:41:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from blue.thrunet.net (ns2.thrunet.net [206.98.22.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA23129 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:41:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by blue.thrunet.net (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id VAA14803; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:36:32 -0600 Received: from windozer.thrunet.net(206.98.23.97) by blue.thrunet.net via smap (g3.0.1) id sma014800; Mon, 10 Mar 97 21:36:21 -0600 Received: by windozer.thrunet.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BC2D98.87AA5FE0@windozer.thrunet.net>; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:17:59 -0600 Message-ID: <01BC2D98.87AA5FE0@windozer.thrunet.net> From: "Robert J. Strickler" To: "'isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: howto install 9G ST410800W? Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:17:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What do we need to specify to get FreeBSD to use the entire capacioty of a Seagate ST410800W 9GB drive? The results we get from fdisk very inconsistant. Seagate specs say 17,755,614 total sectors for the drive. fdisk reports 17,689,265 for the c (whole disk) partition of the freeBSD slice. As you can see fdisk gets very confused about the # of cylinders and tracks in that slice. I think that it is having trouble fitting the entire disk into an MSDOG partition table. We have no need to have anything but FreeBSD see this disk. Is there a way to tell FreeBSD to shoehorn a large disk into an archiac table? The man pages on ccd and ccdconfig are pretty sparse and the "complete" FreeBSD book does not metion it at all. the ccd command still seems to want to deal with partitions that we can not seem to define correctl as the cylinder and sector counts are truncated. If we assume it is just a reporting problem and the size specified is correct and create a disklabel this seems to succeed. A dump of the disk label follows the fdisk capture. However, mount and fsck have a problem with the superblock and the magic number. Any hints on how to twist its tail to use this monster would be greatly appreciated. --------------------------------- news@nns1:{45} mount /dev/sd0h /news/spool/articles/alt /dev/sd0h on /news/spool/articles/alt: Incorrect super block. --------------------------------- news@nns1:{43} fsck /dev/sd0h ** /dev/rsd0h BAD SUPER BLOCK: MAGIC NUMBER WRONG Floating point exception (core dumped) ----------------------------------------------- news@nns1:{1} fdisk -i /dev/rsd0 ******* Working on device /dev/rsd0 ******* parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=4926 heads=27 sectors/track=133 (3591 blks/cyl) Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=4926 heads=27 sectors/track=133 (3591 blks/cyl) Do you want to change our idea of what BIOS thinks ? [n] n fdisk: Invalid fdisk partition table found Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 0 is: Do you want to change it? [n] n The data for partition 1 is: Do you want to change it? [n] n The data for partition 2 is: Do you want to change it? [n] n The data for partition 3 is: sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 1, size 17689265 (8637 Meg), flag 80 beg: cyl 0/ sector 2/ head 0; end: cyl 830/ sector 1/ head 0 Do you want to change it? [n] n --------------------------------------------------- disklabel -r sd0 # /dev/rsd0c: type: SCSI disk: ST4108 label: NewsAlt flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 133 tracks/cylinder: 27 sectors/cylinder: 3591 cylinders: 4925 sectors/unit: 17689265 rpm: 3600 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] c: 17689265 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 4925*) h: 17689263 2 4.2BSD 512 63488 0 # (Cyl. 0*- 4925*) From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 10 19:47:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA23377 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:47:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.210.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA23364; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:47:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.33] by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.59 #1) id 0w4IWL-00075g-00; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:46:37 -0800 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:46:37 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Michael Hancock cc: Brian Tao , "matthew c. mead" , isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Michael Hancock wrote: > On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Tom Samplonius wrote: > > > On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Michael Hancock wrote: > > > > ... > > > I've been using -i 3072 -b 4096 -f 1024 -a 8 for non-binary newsgroups and > > > the default for binary newsgroups. > > > > > > This way news articles on average will fit in a block. > > > > You always want maxcontig to beigger than 8. It has nothing to do with > > file allocation, only have many sectors are transfered at once to the > > driver. > > And the magic number is ____. As big as possible. All the disk drivers should be able to handle at least 128. I don't really know how big it can be. 256? 1024? A too small maxcontig will hamper scatter/gather. I noticed that by looking at the sps and tps values from iostat that it was never transfering more than 16 sectors per transfer. I bumped up maxcontig, and noticed a nice performance increase (at least for my application). The default maxcontig setting for 2.1.x is just way too small. Tom From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 10 23:27:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA03082 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 23:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA03062; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 23:27:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.5/CET-v2.1) with SMTP id HAA07800; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 07:27:30 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:27:30 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Tom Samplonius cc: Brian Tao , "matthew c. mead" , isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Maxcontig for news server (was Re: freebsd as a news server?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Tom Samplonius wrote: > > > On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Michael Hancock wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > I've been using -i 3072 -b 4096 -f 1024 -a 8 for non-binary newsgroups and > > > > the default for binary newsgroups. > > > > > > > > This way news articles on average will fit in a block. > > > > > > You always want maxcontig to beigger than 8. It has nothing to do with > > > file allocation, only have many sectors are transfered at once to the > > > driver. > > > > And the magic number is ____. > > As big as possible. All the disk drivers should be able to handle at > least 128. I don't really know how big it can be. 256? 1024? > A too small maxcontig will hamper scatter/gather. I noticed that by > looking at the sps and tps values from iostat that it was never > transfering more than 16 sectors per transfer. I bumped up maxcontig, and > noticed a nice performance increase (at least for my application). Was your application INND? > The default maxcontig setting for 2.1.x is just way too small. The default is 8 assuming a bsize of 8K, the man pages say it's 1. if (maxcontig == 0) maxcontig = MAX(1, MAXPHYS / bsize - 1); MAXPHYS is 64K. Regards, Mike From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 02:16:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA11110 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 02:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from aebeard.technion.ac.il (yuri@aebeard.technion.ac.il [132.68.146.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA10916 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 02:14:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (yuri@localhost) by aebeard.technion.ac.il (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA03228; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:09:07 +0200 (IST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:09:07 +0200 (IST) From: Yuri Gindin To: "Robert J. Strickler" cc: "'isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: howto install 9G ST410800W? In-Reply-To: <01BC2D98.87AA5FE0@windozer.thrunet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Robert J. Strickler wrote: > > > The data for partition 3 is: > sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) > start 1, size 17689265 (8637 Meg), flag 80 > beg: cyl 0/ sector 2/ head 0; > end: cyl 830/ sector 1/ head 0 > Do you want to change it? [n] n > > --------------------------------------------------- > # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] > c: 17689265 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 4925*) > h: 17689263 2 4.2BSD 512 63488 0 # (Cyl. 0*- 4925*) Robert, Try to use newfs /dev/rsd0s4h instead of /dev/rsd0h Then mount /dev/sd0s4h /whatever --Yuri. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 04:56:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA28574 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 04:56:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA28567; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 04:56:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.3/8.6.9) id XAA13817; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:52:27 +1100 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:52:27 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199703111252.XAA13817@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: michaelh@cet.co.jp, tom@sdf.com Subject: Re: Maxcontig for news server (was Re: freebsd as a news server?) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org, mmead@goof.com, taob@vex.net Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> The default maxcontig setting for 2.1.x is just way too small. > >The default is 8 assuming a bsize of 8K, the man pages say it's 1. > > if (maxcontig == 0) > maxcontig = MAX(1, MAXPHYS / bsize - 1); > >MAXPHYS is 64K. maxcontig has little effect anyway in the default case, since the default rotdelay of 0 means that there is no gap between each group of 1+maxcontig blocks. Bruce From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 07:32:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA12316 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 07:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from anacreon.sol.net (anacreon.sol.net [206.55.64.116]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA12305; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 07:32:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by anacreon.sol.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA09514; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:31:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id JAA27808; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:31:48 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199703111531.JAA27808@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 97 9:31:46 CST Cc: mmead@goof.com, julian@whistle.com, tom@sdf.com, isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703090422.OAA28301@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Mar 9, 97 02:52:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > matthew c. mead stands accused of saying: > > > > > > I really do suggest using -o noatime,async > > > on mounted news partitions too (for 2.2) > > > > This system is a 2.1.6 installation. Do these > > recommendations change based on that? Thanks for the replies! > > No async support in 2.1.6, but I believe that noatime is supported. > You should _really_ go search the archives of the -hackers list for > postings from Joe Greco regarding big news servers. In particular, > you are using (probably) slow disks, your layout is likely to be > wrong, and you don't have enough SCSI busses 8) Sheesh, take a weekend off and get buried by 4000 messages. :-( Sorry I'm jumping in a bit late. Advice: running 2.1.6? Upgrade to 2.1.7 :-) async doesn't do too much under releases before 2.2. 'newsfeeds.sol.net' is running on 2.2 with -o async,noatime and about a dozen 1GB ST-31055N's for the spool disks and it blows through news like there's no tomorrow (expires are FASSSST). noatime is not supported out of the box: drop me a line if you need a patch. It's pretty easy to do. It's a win, at least if you have lots of things actually READING the spool (i.e. lots of laggy outbound feeds or lots of readers). If you don't have lots of fast disks, don't bother with noatime and async, because it'll be like going from driving a tricycle to driving a bicycle on the freeway. That's just my jewel for the day. ;-) ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 07:50:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA13607 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 07:50:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from anacreon.sol.net (anacreon.sol.net [206.55.64.116]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA13601; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 07:50:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by anacreon.sol.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA09625; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:50:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id JAA27921; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:50:37 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199703111550.JAA27921@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? To: mmead@goof.com (matthew c. mead) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 97 9:50:35 CST Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, julian@whistle.com, tom@sdf.com, isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703090439.XAA12069@goof.com> from "matthew c. mead" at Mar 8, 97 11:39:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > No async support in 2.1.6, but I believe that noatime is supported. > > Hmm. No wonder I don't see any improvement in 2.1.6 > mounting async and building the kernel. > > > You should _really_ go search the archives of the -hackers list for > > postings from Joe Greco regarding big news servers. In particular, > > you are using (probably) slow disks, your layout is likely to be > > wrong, and you don't have enough SCSI busses 8) > > Hmm, the disks are far from slow. They're 9G micropolis s/far from slow/slow as hell for news/ > SCSI-II fast, "ultra wide" disks. There is, however, one bus. > There's only 5 drives on it. I'm interested in figuring out > what's wrong with the layout. I've got the striping factor set > to 255 blocks (per a suggestion in the docs for ccd). I'll try > to have a looksee at the archives of -hackers. Would be nice to > be able to get mailbox file format archives, though. :-) Thanks > for your reply! Don't feel bad, this is one of many hard-learned news lessons. Usenet news deals in hundreds of thousands of small bits of information that need to get on your system in a time dependent fashio on a daily basis. Your drives are only so fast, and there is a point at which the drive is practically saturated with accesses (even if the drive light is not on solid, you have passed a point of "reasonable response time"). Once you pass this point, your news server suffers. As you stuff more articles on a drive, the implicit expectation is that you will be able to perform more accesses on that drive in the same period of time. This is false: see above. In general, today's drives are capable of storing LOTS of data but the access times are abysmal. That means that you can not plan on taking full advantage of a 9GB drive's capacity... you can only practically store a few GB on it before the drive becomes saturated. Based on real world implementations, a 4GB drive "might" be OK for smaller installations (several dozen readers), but 2GB drives are mandatory for real installations. The exception is alt.binaries, where the number of accesses you will be expected to perform is much lower in comparison to the average article size. I use 2 x 2GB drives striped for /news, plus 2 x 2GB drives for /news/alt, plus 2 x 9GB drives for /news/alt/binaries. I also have 2 x 1GB drives for /nov (overviews) plus 2 x 1GB drives for the newslib. This is a good recipe for a news server's spool. Use fast drives - you don't need ultra-wide or any other stuff, standard fast SCSI works great. You are not moving big amounts of data around, after all. If you ask for a 4K chunk of data from a disk, 98% of the time you spend waiting for it will be for the heads to seek to the data, so if it takes a teeny bit longer to fetch the data over the bus, who cares? Use good fast drives: the new Seagate Hawk-II's are fab, the Barracudas are pretty good too. Get the ST-31055N's for 1GB drives, 32155N's, 32171N's, or 32155N's for 2GB drives. As noted, I maintain three spool filesystems on most news spools, I stripe a pair of disks together with a stripe size equal to the size of a cylinder group: there is some theory involved there but it works. My stripe size here is 65536 - except for newslib, where you do want a smaller stripe size (I use 128). Final note: You don't want to make one big filesystem. That's a mistake. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 08:01:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA14766 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from anacreon.sol.net (anacreon.sol.net [206.55.64.116]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14760; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by anacreon.sol.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA09692; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:01:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id KAA27975; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:01:34 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199703111601.KAA27975@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? To: neal@pernet.net (Neal Rigney) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 97 10:01:33 CST Cc: mmead@goof.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, julian@whistle.com, tom@sdf.com, isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Neal Rigney" at Mar 8, 97 11:35:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hmm, the disks are far from slow. They're 9G micropolis > > SCSI-II fast, "ultra wide" disks. There is, however, one bus. > > BIG problem there! If I remember Joe Greco's advice, you should have AT > LEAST two/three busses. I put history and spool on seperate busses(I'm > poor, I can't afford 15 SCSI controllers :) Actually, it's not a problem (from a certain point of view)... but it's a real waste. You don't NEED ultra wide on a news server, you're not transferring enough data to warrant it. My basic philosophy has always been to reduce resource contention whereever I can. The nice ultra wide SCSI controller that Matthew has probably cost $200-$300. I can outfit a system with three NCR-810 controllers for that price (actually more like $120 if I use the real cheap ones, a bit risky) and I gain three independent SCSI busses. I usually like to stripe _across_ the controllers, although I can't say for sure that putting spool and history on separate SCSI busses is a bad idea. The real idea is simply to provide as much independent I/O capacity as possible. > > There's only 5 drives on it. I'm interested in figuring out > > what's wrong with the layout. I've got the striping factor set > > to 255 blocks (per a suggestion in the docs for ccd). I'll try > > I've got the interleave set to 1k. I fiddled with the setting a little, > and found 1k appeared to give the best performance. If I remember > correctly, you want the "average" article to fit in one interleave. I > may be way off on that though. With the interleave set to 1k, we're able > to keep up with a releatively full feed (we don't get de.* and a couple > non-english hierarchies). We've got SCSI time to burn it appears. No > problem receiving the feed. Note, however, that we don't have many > active feeds out(ok, only 1 "full" feed), and we have a relatively low > reader count(we max out at about 45). On the other hand, we don't > anywhere NEAR enough drive space(5G now, adding 4 next week). But > overall, I don't have any problems. Our response time is good, and the > system's not hiccupped in about 6 months. BTW: We're running 2.1.6 > now. I don't think 2.1.6 does noatime though(maybe I'm just being dense > here?) Try vastly raising your stripe size, up to a cylinder group. You should see no decrease in performance, and perhaps an increase. This gets back into my whole lecture series about concurrency within an I/O system: basically you don't want an ARTICLE to fit in an interleave, you want the ARTICLE plus the DIRECTORY information to fit in an interleave. This way, when you go to read an article, you want to affect only one drive so that the other drives can be doing other things. ... JG From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 08:09:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA15303 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:09:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from anacreon.sol.net (anacreon.sol.net [206.55.64.116]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA15293; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:09:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by anacreon.sol.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA09719; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:08:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id KAA28112; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:08:47 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199703111608.KAA28112@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? To: tom@sdf.com (Tom Samplonius) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 97 10:08:45 CST Cc: taob@risc.org, mmead@goof.com, isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Tom Samplonius" at Mar 9, 97 11:25:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > But isn't choosing block and fragment sizes very important as well? > > The default of 8192 and 1024 seems fast, but seems to be wasting space. > I remember Joe Greco mentioning something about disappointing file system > performance if these are messed with the wrong way. Yeah, well, I've traditionally used 4096/512 but in the last year or so it's seemed to me that a few machines that I have with 8192/1024 are "faster" (based mostly on feel). I had done some experimentation that seemed to support that. Sorry I don't have any handy references right now. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 09:00:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA19160 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from anacreon.sol.net (anacreon.sol.net [206.55.64.116]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19151; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:00:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by anacreon.sol.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA10001; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:59:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id KAA28617; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:59:11 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199703111659.KAA28617@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD To: rcarter@consys.com (Russell L. Carter) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 97 10:59:09 CST Cc: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, vince@mail.mcestate.com, tom@sdf.com, sergey@extech.msk.su, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199702261845.LAA02550@conceptual.com> from "Russell L. Carter" at Feb 26, 97 11:45:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Look guys, the only chip that has PB-SRAM is P5, and for *that* chip > the original comment is correct. And Rodney is correct. And Michael > is correct, for P6. > > Sheesh! > > Anyway, I don't think EDO gives you much for P6 either, and all the ASUS > motherboards I've seen in the last 6 months for P5 and P6 support ECC > if you have parity RAM, which is a big win for a server if it works. Big win - IF you are willing to take a hit on your memory access times. ECC introduces additional delays. Reliability at the expense of speed. Oh, and an aside to Nate: I've upgraded caches several times without regard to the CPU in the last year. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 09:09:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA19719 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from nyx.pr.mcs.net (nyx.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.81]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19691; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:09:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from nyx.pr.mcs.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyx.pr.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA04536; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:09:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703111709.LAA04536@nyx.pr.mcs.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Tom Samplonius cc: Michael Hancock , Brian Tao , "matthew c. mead" , isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:46:37 -0800. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:09:15 -0600 From: Chris Csanady Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Michael Hancock wrote: > >> On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Tom Samplonius wrote: >> >> > On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Michael Hancock wrote: >> > >> > ... >> > > I've been using -i 3072 -b 4096 -f 1024 -a 8 for non-binary newsgroups a nd >> > > the default for binary newsgroups. >> > > >> > > This way news articles on average will fit in a block. >> > >> > You always want maxcontig to beigger than 8. It has nothing to do with >> > file allocation, only have many sectors are transfered at once to the >> > driver. >> >> And the magic number is ____. > > As big as possible. All the disk drivers should be able to handle at >least 128. I don't really know how big it can be. 256? 1024? > > A too small maxcontig will hamper scatter/gather. I noticed that by >looking at the sps and tps values from iostat that it was never >transfering more than 16 sectors per transfer. I bumped up maxcontig, and >noticed a nice performance increase (at least for my application). I thought that there is currently a 64K io limit imposed due to some bogosity. Any know if this ever got fixed? If this is so, I assume 8 is the maximum if you use 8K blocks. Or 128, if they are talking about sectors in tunefs(8).. I don't, but would like to know. :) Chris > > The default maxcontig setting for 2.1.x is just way too small. > >Tom > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 09:23:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21135 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:23:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from anacreon.sol.net (anacreon.sol.net [206.55.64.116]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA21122 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:23:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by anacreon.sol.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA10153; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:23:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id LAA28921; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:23:13 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199703111723.LAA28921@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: howto install 9G ST410800W? To: rstrickler@thrunet.net (Robert J. Strickler) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 97 11:23:11 CST Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <01BC2D98.87AA5FE0@windozer.thrunet.net> from "Robert J. Strickler" at Mar 11, 97 11:15:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What do we need to specify to get FreeBSD to use the entire > capacioty of a Seagate ST410800W 9GB drive? > news@nns1:{1} fdisk -i /dev/rsd0 ^^^^ Why do I get the feeling that what you REALLY want to do is to go out and buy yourself half a dozen 2GB drives? > ******* Working on device /dev/rsd0 ******* > parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: > cylinders=4926 heads=27 sectors/track=133 (3591 blks/cyl) I have some Microp's here which work just fine. I follow one of the normal conventions and force fdisk to use X/64/32 geometries.. ******* Working on device /dev/rsd10 ******* parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=8681 heads=64 sectors/track=32 (2048 blks/cyl) > The data for partition 3 is: > sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) > start 1, size 17689265 (8637 Meg), flag 80 > beg: cyl 0/ sector 2/ head 0; > end: cyl 830/ sector 1/ head 0 > Do you want to change it? [n] n sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 32, size 17778656 (8680 Meg), flag 80 beg: cyl 0/ sector 1/ head 1; end: cyl 1023/ sector 32/ head 63 I always start at sector 1 head 1, end at 32/63 > # /dev/rsd0c: > type: SCSI > disk: ST4108 > label: NewsAlt > flags: > bytes/sector: 512 > sectors/track: 133 > tracks/cylinder: 27 > sectors/cylinder: 3591 > cylinders: 4925 > sectors/unit: 17689265 > rpm: 3600 > interleave: 1 > trackskew: 0 > cylinderskew: 0 > headswitch: 0 # milliseconds > track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds > drivedata: 0 > > 8 partitions: > # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] > c: 17689265 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 4925*) > h: 17689263 2 4.2BSD 512 63488 0 # (Cyl. 0*- 4925*) That bsize looks a tad wild. # /dev/rsd10c: type: SCSI disk: sd10s1 label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 32 tracks/cylinder: 64 sectors/cylinder: 2048 cylinders: 8680 sectors/unit: 17778656 rpm: 7200 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] c: 17778656 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 8680*) e: 17778656 0 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 8680*) This is a bit different, usually I start 'e' at cylinder 1 and end at the last full cylinder (i.e. Cyl. 1-8679) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 12:03:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05349 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:03:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from breadfruit.seychelles.net ([202.84.227.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05340 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:03:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from Atlas.seychelles.net ([202.84.227.21]) by breadfruit.seychelles.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id UAA07627 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:10:42 GMT Message-ID: <3325BA2C.2CE1@seychelles.net> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 00:01:48 +0400 From: Muditha Gunatilake Reply-To: muditha@seychelles.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Domain Registration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I know this is not quite relevent to this mailing list....sorry but been trying to find a solution for sometime..unsuccessfully!!! I want to register a top domain level name for a country. How can I do that.... tried filling out the template at www.internic.net..but keeps coming back saying it is only for .com,.net.org etc.??? Any help??? -- --------------------- Muditha Gunatilake Atlas Ltd. Phone:304060 email: muditha@seychelles.net mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk muditha@creole.seychelles.net :-) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 14:30:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14970 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:30:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14962 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA28639; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:33:31 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:33:29 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Muditha Gunatilake cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Domain Registration In-Reply-To: <3325BA2C.2CE1@seychelles.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Muditha Gunatilake wrote: > Hi, > I know this is not quite relevent to this mailing list....sorry but been > trying to find a solution for sometime..unsuccessfully!!! > > I want to register a top domain level name for a country. How can I do > that.... tried filling out the template at www.internic.net..but keeps > coming back saying it is only for .com,.net.org etc.??? > > Any help??? Write an e-mail to hostmaster@internic.net which is not a form or template, asking for information on how to do it. If the .sc falls within the scope of APNIC (Asia Pacific) then e-mail hostmaster@apnic.net. Regards, Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 15:18:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17984 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from bellind.com ([206.101.34.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17974 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:18:33 -0800 (PST) From: RGireyev@bellind.com Received: from cdcexchange.bellind.com ([170.1.130.2]) by firewall.bellind.com with SMTP id <3664-1>; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:15:44 -0800 Received: by cdcexchange.bellind.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BC2E30.03B1E7B0@cdcexchange.bellind.com>; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:22:21 -0800 Message-ID: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Domain Registration Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:22:19 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I seem to remember Michael Dillon talk about this when he was going at it with Australian boys discussing the single multiple IP stuff. That conversation can't be more than a month old (Hint: check archives). Also, Muditha, have you tried inet-access mailing list. I think it's @earth.com Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong. ---------- From: Daniel O'Callaghan[SMTP:danny@panda.hilink.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 1997 2:33 PM To: Muditha Gunatilake Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Domain Registration On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Muditha Gunatilake wrote: > Hi, > I know this is not quite relevent to this mailing list....sorry but been > trying to find a solution for sometime..unsuccessfully!!! > > I want to register a top domain level name for a country. How can I do > that.... tried filling out the template at www.internic.net..but keeps > coming back saying it is only for .com,.net.org etc.??? > > Any help??? Write an e-mail to hostmaster@internic.net which is not a form or template, asking for information on how to do it. If the .sc falls within the scope of APNIC (Asia Pacific) then e-mail hostmaster@apnic.net. Regards, Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 16:16:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA22414 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:16:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (cedb.DPCSYS.com [209.25.4.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22403 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:16:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id AAA11490; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 00:16:03 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:16:02 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: Muditha Gunatilake cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Domain Registration In-Reply-To: <3325BA2C.2CE1@seychelles.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Muditha Gunatilake wrote: > I want to register a top domain level name for a country. How can I do > that.... tried filling out the template at www.internic.net..but keeps > coming back saying it is only for .com,.net.org etc.??? Do you want to create a *new* country code TLD or register under a country code TLD. For the former you need to send the template (the regular one) to iana@iana.org, I see that .sc is unassigned. For the latter see http://www.isi.edu/div7/iana/domain-names.html#Country Code Domains for a list of the iso3166 domains and their contact information. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 17:43:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA00561 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:43:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00553 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:43:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from P60 by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id TAA23317; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:39:03 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970311193715.0115c720@mixcom.com> X-Sender: sysop@mixcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:37:16 -0600 To: Joe Greco From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:01 AM 3/11/97 CST, Joe Greco wrote: >My basic philosophy has always been to reduce resource contention >whereever I can. The nice ultra wide SCSI controller that Matthew >has probably cost $200-$300. I can outfit a system with three NCR-810 >controllers for that price (actually more like $120 if I use the real >cheap ones, a bit risky) and I gain three independent SCSI busses. > >I usually like to stripe _across_ the controllers, although I can't say >for sure that putting spool and history on separate SCSI busses is a >bad idea. The real idea is simply to provide as much independent I/O >capacity as possible. Not sure if 2.2 supports it, but what about the Adaptec 3985 card and use RAID5? There are 3 channels and IO is spread across all 3. The price is a bit high, however. Yeah I know, just what you need: hot swapping for news. :) Just an idea. Definately agree on using smaller drives, but have more of them. ------------------------------------------- Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator jeff@mixcom.net MIX Communications Serving the Internet since 1990 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 21:05:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA15737 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from blue.thrunet.net (ns2.thrunet.net [206.98.22.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA15728 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by blue.thrunet.net (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id XAA21934; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:00:28 -0600 Received: from windozer.thrunet.net(206.98.23.97) by blue.thrunet.net via smap (g3.0.1) id sma021932; Tue, 11 Mar 97 23:00:07 -0600 Received: by windozer.thrunet.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BC2E6D.679D3440@windozer.thrunet.net>; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:41:48 -0600 Message-ID: <01BC2E6D.679D3440@windozer.thrunet.net> From: "Robert J. Strickler" To: "'isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: howto install 9G ST410800W? summary Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:41:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "The Complete FreeBSD" book pg 182 had left out the invocation line when documented the issuing of the "newfs" on page 182 Additionally we had to do a MAKEDEV sd0s4 Starting over we used dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rsd0 count=100 to wipe the current partition We used fdisk and changed the BIOS parameters to 1024c 63h 32s accepting the defaults that it generated.and wrote the partition. used disklabel -R -r sd0 seagate news@nns1:{12} disklabel -R -r sd0 label.st4108 partition c: partition extends past end of unit partition h: partition extends past end of unit --------- label.st4108 ------- # /dev/rsd0c: type: SCSI disk: seagate9G label: NewsAlt flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 133 tracks/cylinder: 27 sectors/cylinder: 3591 cylinders: 4925 sectors/unit: 17689265 rpm: 5400 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] c: 17689265 1 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0*- 4925*) h: 17689263 3 4.2BSD 512 63488 0 # (Cyl. 0*- 4925*) # --------------------------------------- using news /dev/rsd0s4h news@nns1:{14} newfs /dev/rsd0s4h newfs: /dev/rsd0s4h: Invalid argument Any suggestions From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 21:30:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA16894 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:30:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16889 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:30:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id VAA12728 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:30:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA00583; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 05:24:39 GMT Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 05:24:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Roome To: Muditha Gunatilake cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Domain Registration In-Reply-To: <3325BA2C.2CE1@seychelles.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Muditha Gunatilake wrote: > I want to register a top domain level name for a country. How can I do > that.... tried filling out the template at www.internic.net..but keeps > coming back saying it is only for .com,.net.org etc.??? > > Any help??? As far as I can tell, (I didn't really check, but your email implies this) you are in the uk. Internic control registrations for .com .org .mil .gov (actually I think some of those are conrolled by some .mil ppl, but who cares as they aren't going to give you any space under .mil or .gov unless, as a side note, quite unfairly you would have to be part of the US government or military (note the US bit)) So, if you want to register a .uk name you need to talk to nic.uk Well, this is what I assume you're doing, or trying to do. If not, then it might be best to let people know what name you really do want and then it would be easier to find out who you need to talk to about it. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 21:48:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA17891 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:48:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17886 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA12894 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:48:36 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA27183 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:43:04 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:43:03 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon Reply-To: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Domain Registration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 11 Mar 1997 RGireyev@bellind.com wrote: > I seem to remember Michael Dillon talk about this when he was going > at it with Australian boys discussing the single multiple IP stuff. While there is a way to apply for this with the Internic, the real work is done by Jon Postel at IANA so I already gave Muditha the details in private. > That > conversation can't be more than a month old (Hint: check archives). > Also, Muditha, have you tried inet-access mailing list. I think it's > @earth.com inet-access is a high volume mailing list about ISP technology, marketing, policies, etc....... To subscribe send a message saying subscribe to inet-access@earth.com The archives are at ftp.earth.com and there is a search engine at http://www.scomm.net/inet-access Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 21:56:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA18096 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:56:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from anacreon.sol.net (anacreon.sol.net [206.55.64.116]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18091 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:56:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by anacreon.sol.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA00975; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:56:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id XAA03764; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:56:42 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199703120556.XAA03764@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? To: sysop@mixcom.com (Jeffrey J. Mountin) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 97 23:56:39 CST Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970311193715.0115c720@mixcom.com> from "Jeffrey J. Mountin" at Mar 11, 97 07:37:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > At 10:01 AM 3/11/97 CST, Joe Greco wrote: > >My basic philosophy has always been to reduce resource contention > >whereever I can. The nice ultra wide SCSI controller that Matthew > >has probably cost $200-$300. I can outfit a system with three NCR-810 > >controllers for that price (actually more like $120 if I use the real > >cheap ones, a bit risky) and I gain three independent SCSI busses. > > > >I usually like to stripe _across_ the controllers, although I can't say > >for sure that putting spool and history on separate SCSI busses is a > >bad idea. The real idea is simply to provide as much independent I/O > >capacity as possible. > > Not sure if 2.2 supports it, but what about the Adaptec 3985 card and use > RAID5? There are 3 channels and IO is spread across all 3. The price is a > bit high, however. Not supported. The 3985 is apparently pretty much a triple channel 2940, sorta like the dual channel 3940, which works great under FreeBSD. The 3985 simply has a third SCSI bus and silicon to do the more intensive parts of the RAID parity calculations, as I understand it. I was told a year ago that triple-bus 3985 support would probably be trivial to implement. I have access to a 3985 but haven't tried it. I generally prefer sticking lots of NCR-810 based controllers in a system. > Yeah I know, just what you need: hot swapping for news. :) > > Just an idea. I think if I were going to do it, I would do mirroring. You don't have the overhead of read-calculate-write cycles to generate parity blocks for small writes (the majority of what a news server does). Writes should be as fast/slow as their single drive counterpart, and you get the benefits of more heads when reading. It is nearly as efficient as striping, except for the writing bit, I think. But it's too early in the morning to be thinking about this... Besides, by the time you mirror all that disk, why not just build another box and gain redundancy for those annoying times when something dies? :-) > Definately agree on using smaller drives, but have more of them. Well, of course! :-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 11 22:24:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA19588 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:24:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from main.netcorps.com (main.netcorps.com [205.149.1.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA19579 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:24:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by main.netcorps.com (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA08812; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:22:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703120622.WAA08812@main.netcorps.com> X-Authentication-Warning: main.netcorps.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Muditha Gunatilake cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Domain Registration In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Mar 1997 05:24:39 GMT." Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:22:28 -0800 From: Chris Bura Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Check out www.alldomains.com. They have all the information available for every country, including forms, fees, requirements, whois, etc.,etc. Chris Net Corps > > On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Muditha Gunatilake wrote: > > I want to register a top domain level name for a country. How can I do > > that.... tried filling out the template at www.internic.net..but keeps > > coming back saying it is only for .com,.net.org etc.??? > > > > Any help??? > > As far as I can tell, (I didn't really check, but your email implies this) > you are in the uk. Internic control registrations for .com .org .mil .gov > > (actually I think some of those are conrolled by some .mil ppl, but who > cares as they aren't going to give you any space under .mil or .gov > unless, as a side note, quite unfairly you would have to be part of the > US government or military (note the US bit)) > > So, if you want to register a .uk name you need to talk to nic.uk > Well, this is what I assume you're doing, or trying to do. > If not, then it might be best to let people know what name you really do > want and then it would be easier to find out who you need to talk to > about it. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 05:09:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA09279 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 05:09:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from spooky.eis.net.au (spooky.eis.net.au [203.12.171.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA09243 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 05:09:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ernie@localhost) by spooky.eis.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA08749 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:08:09 +1000 (EST) From: Ernie Elu Message-Id: <199703121308.XAA08749@spooky.eis.net.au> Subject: mail archives To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:08:09 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there a browsable archives of freebsd-isp postings? The search engine on www.freebsd.org is to clumsy if you only want to go back a week or two to catch up on missed articles. - Ernie. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 05:11:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA09414 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 05:11:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA09409 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 05:11:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.warman.org.pl [148.81.160.10]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id FAA13327 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 05:11:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01698 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:10:10 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:10:10 +0100 (MET) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: SecurID authentication Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! For those interested, I added support for Security Dynamics' smartcard authentication to standard login. So now you can have: * SecurID username/PASSCODE. If the network is down, it falls back to * Kerberos or S/Key or ordinary password (depends on #defines it was compiled with) Unfortunately, I am forbidden by licence agreement to post the code itself :-((((. It seems that even their APIs are confidential :-(( BUT... I'm willing to help anyone who wishes to implement it in his own system. In other words: the modifications require some pieces of proprietary code, which you will have if you install the ACE/Server software (and BSDI client). Then I can send the diffs to original ACE/Client software, and to the FreeBSD's login.c. Anyone interested? Andy, +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Andrzej Bialecki _) _) _)_) _)_)_) _) _) --------------------------------------- _)_) _) _) _) _)_) _)_) Research and Academic Network in Poland _) _)_) _)_)_)_) _) _) _) Bartycka 18, 00-716 Warsaw, Poland _) _) _) _) _)_)_) _) _) +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 08:21:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA23076 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:21:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23067; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:21:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA21751; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:30:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970312112018.00af2eb0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:20:22 -0500 To: hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis Subject: Opinions on the "Complete FreeBSD" book Cc: isp@freebsd.org, question@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Any opinions on this document, most notable how useful it is and whether it is reasonably up to date, would be appreciated. Dennis Emerging Technologies, Inc. Router cards for BSD/OS, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OPenBSD and Linux Standalone Routers Bandwidth Allocation/Limiter Manager http://www.etinc.com sales@etinc.com (516) 271-4525 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 08:23:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA23164 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:23:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23148; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:22:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA21767; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:31:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970312112121.00af2da0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:21:23 -0500 To: hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis Subject: Opinions on the "Complete FreeBSD" book Cc: isp@freebsd.org, question@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Any opinions on this document, most notable how useful it is and whether it is reasonably up to date, would be appreciated. Dennis Emerging Technologies, Inc. Router cards for BSD/OS, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OPenBSD and Linux Standalone Routers Bandwidth Allocation/Limiter Manager http://www.etinc.com sales@etinc.com (516) 271-4525 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 12:12:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08871 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from breadfruit.seychelles.net ([202.84.227.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08866 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:12:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from Atlas.seychelles.net ([202.84.227.21]) by breadfruit.seychelles.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id UAA13993 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:20:33 GMT Message-ID: <33270DED.6626@seychelles.net> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 00:11:25 +0400 From: Muditha Gunatilake Reply-To: muditha@seychelles.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Domain registration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanx for all the reply's!!! -- --------------------- Muditha Gunatilake Atlas Seychelles Ltd Phone:+248 304060 Fax: +248 43565 email: muditha@seychelles.net mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk muditha@creole.seychelles.net :-) From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 12:14:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08956 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:14:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.mrtc.org [199.4.33.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08926; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:13:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) id KAA11741; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:13:56 -1000 (HST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:13:56 -1000 (HST) From: David Langford Message-Id: <199703122013.KAA11741@caliban.dihelix.com> To: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: problem with over 133 virutal domains with apache on 2.1.7 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a problem with apache and virual domains on 2.1.7. When I add my 134'th virtual domain to apache it says it can no longer figure out its hostname and wants me to set ServerName I tried setting unlimit before running with novail. Any extra tweaks I need in the kernel? Thanks, -David Langford langfod@dihelix.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 13:33:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12384 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from narcissus.ml.org (root@brosenga.Pitzer.edu [134.173.120.201]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12373; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by narcissus.ml.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA29385; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:33:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:33:37 -0800 (PST) From: Snob Art Genre To: dennis cc: hackers@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org, question@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Opinions on the "Complete FreeBSD" book In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970312112121.00af2da0@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, dennis wrote: > Any opinions on this document, most notable how useful it is and > whether it is reasonably up to date, would be appreciated. It's quite good. The focus is on installation, and it's written for newbies, but anyone can find it useful. I found it indispensable for the first few months I ran FreeBSD. > Dennis Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 14:04:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14364 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.intercenter.net (mir.intercenter.net [207.211.128.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA14357 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:04:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8711 invoked from network); 12 Mar 1997 22:04:19 -0000 Received: from bigboy.intercenter.net (207.211.128.17) by mir.intercenter.net with SMTP; 12 Mar 1997 22:04:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:04:20 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bickers To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: BSDI and binary compatibility Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We are currently running multiple BSDI 2.1 and FreeBSD 2.1.7 machines. We recently received the BSDI 3.0 upgrade and I feel that it's mostly bells and whistles (most of which I don't want to use anyway). I've considered switching things to FreeBSD, but we do have a few binary only products (and I know there are others available) for BSDI. Does anyone know how compatible BSDI binaries are with FreeBSD and if the developers intend to continue compatibility? Also, any opinions from those that know both BSDI and FreeBSD are welcome as to the strengths and weakness of each. --- Ron From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 14:11:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14752 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:11:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.stylo.it (unix.stylo.it [193.76.98.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14747; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from styloserver.stylo.it (mail.stylo.it [193.76.98.13]) by unix.stylo.it (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA14629; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:10:15 +0100 (MET) Received: by STYLOSERVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1389.3) id <01BC2F29.AF942EE0@STYLOSERVER>; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:09:34 +0100 Message-ID: <31EBCC36B676D01197E400801E0324953E90@STYLOSERVER> From: Angelo Turetta To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" , "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Large mailing lists: mailer optimization Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:09:32 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1389.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I remember a discussion (it was more than a year ago) about the optimisation of the freebsd mailing lists. When using Majordomo as a list manager, you end up with a single message being sent to all the users in the list. If some server is slow to reply, sendmail takes forever to process the queue, because it cannot proceed in parallel with the other recipients. There should be some tools to break the huge recipient lists into a number of smaller ones, thus parallelizing a great deal of work. Too bad I cannot remember any name.... Any pointers ? Please Cc: replies directly to me. Angelo Turetta. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 14:49:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA16575 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:49:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from tibet.stepnet.com (tibet.stepnet.com [206.14.120.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16553; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:49:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ping@localhost) by tibet.stepnet.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA25811; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:46:34 -0800 (PST) From: Ping Mai Message-Id: <199703122246.OAA25811@tibet.stepnet.com> Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? To: jgreco@solaria.sol.net (Joe Greco) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:46:34 -0800 (PST) Cc: neal@pernet.net, mmead@goof.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, julian@whistle.com, tom@sdf.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199703111601.KAA27975@solaria.sol.net> from Joe Greco at "Mar 11, 97 10:01:33 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > My basic philosophy has always been to reduce resource contention > whereever I can. The nice ultra wide SCSI controller that Matthew > has probably cost $200-$300. I can outfit a system with three NCR-810 > controllers for that price (actually more like $120 if I use the real > cheap ones, a bit risky) and I gain three independent SCSI busses. BTW, where can i find ncr-8xx based cards cheap? what brand/model should i be looking for? i've been using adaptec cards exclusively up to now. having heard many good things about the ncrs from these groups lately, i would like give them out. thx in advance, ping ------------------------------------------------------------ Steps Network Solutions, Inc. Ping Mai 56 Allison Street ping@stepnet.com San Francisco, CA 94112-3702 Voice: 415.860.0386 U.S.A. FAX: 415.333.4381 ------------------------------------------------------------ Work keeps away three great evils: boredom, vice, and need. - Voltaire From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 15:00:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17302 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:00:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA17297; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:00:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from P60 by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id QAA15034; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:57:28 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970312165547.0115c830@mixcom.com> X-Sender: sysop@mixcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:55:47 -0600 To: David Langford From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: problem with over 133 virutal domains with apache on 2.1.7 Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:13 AM 3/12/97 -1000, David Langford wrote: > >I have a problem with apache and virual domains on 2.1.7. > >When I add my 134'th virtual domain to apache it says it can no longer figure >out its hostname and wants me to set ServerName Seems to be the in thing today with virtual hosts. ;-) I recall when this happened, but I was at 116 or so. >I tried setting unlimit before running with novail. > >Any extra tweaks I need in the kernel? I would disable error logging for the hosts. We turn it on by request if a cgi is not working properly. If you have not done so, edit /sys/sys/syslimits.h OPEN_MAX to 256 CHILD_MAX to 128 Max users 64 or 128 (doesn't matter much), but 128 squaks "> 64". Waiting to hear if anyone has exceeded these without any problems, especially the OPEN_MAX value. Pushed a server to 170 easily. 8-) ------------------------------------------- Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator jeff@mixcom.net MIX Communications Serving the Internet since 1990 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 15:40:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20024 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:40:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA20011 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:40:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from P60 by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id RAA19107; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:37:55 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970312173613.011b6c44@mixcom.com> X-Sender: sysop@mixcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:36:14 -0600 To: Ron Bickers From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: BSDI and binary compatibility Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 05:04 PM 3/12/97 -0500, Ron Bickers wrote: >We are currently running multiple BSDI 2.1 and FreeBSD 2.1.7 machines. We >recently received the BSDI 3.0 upgrade and I feel that it's mostly bells >and whistles (most of which I don't want to use anyway). Last update I got was 2.1 under the service contract and it sounds like I didn't miss a thing. Especially considering the price. >I've considered switching things to FreeBSD, but we do have a few binary >only products (and I know there are others available) for BSDI. Does >anyone know how compatible BSDI binaries are with FreeBSD and if the >developers intend to continue compatibility? AFAIK, some work, some don't. We are in the process of changing our last BSDi webserver to FreeBSD and some CGI scripts (compiled C) work and some have to be recompiled. >Also, any opinions from those that know both BSDI and FreeBSD are welcome >as to the strengths and weakness of each. Others will be more technical, but BSDi has always been slow for new device drivers. Adding packages using sysinstall (yes I can to it the hard way) makes upgrading/adding much less time consuming. Full source w/o paying a lot more. Memory management is better. One plus I like about BSDi is that ksh is the 'sh' and I am very much a ksh type, the pdksh seems a bit buggy to me, just in vi. They look and feel the same for the most part. One thing we like the the built in SKEY, which we use extensively. Also if you do NIS, FreeBSD has it and I don't know if BSDi added it yet. We may use it. Needless to say we have converted most of our server to FreeBSD, but one is going to take a while. Almost everything hooks into a custom database, which we are scrapping. Along with the menu system. You want shell, learn *nix. ------------------------------------------- Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator jeff@mixcom.net MIX Communications Serving the Internet since 1990 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 15:48:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20431 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:48:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20421 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA16867; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:48:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:48:39 -0500 (EST) From: Bradley Dunn X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net To: Ron Bickers cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDI and binary compatibility In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Ron Bickers wrote: > I've considered switching things to FreeBSD, but we do have a few binary > only products (and I know there are others available) for BSDI. Does > anyone know how compatible BSDI binaries are with FreeBSD and if the > developers intend to continue compatibility? We have a customer running BSDI binaries of the Netscape Commerce Server on FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE no problem. I hear the support for BSDI binaries is even better in 2.2 (as is the Linux support). I'm not a developer but I think they realize the desirability of compatibility and will do their best to keep it. > Also, any opinions from those that know both BSDI and FreeBSD are welcome > as to the strengths and weakness of each. We used to have a mixed BSDI/FreeBSD environment. Switching over to FreeBSD-only was fairly easy (after recompiling the world to support 16 character login names). Some of the shortcomings BSDI had that we didn't like are supposedly fixed now (like a clean flag in the superblock), but we would never consider going back. I really don't see any major advantages of BSDI over FreeBSD for ISP use, unless you need technical support (which costs extra anyway). Besides, the FreeBSD mailing lists are usually excellent for support. pbd From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 16:26:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21878 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:26:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21873 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:26:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA24499; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:36:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970312192520.00b04860@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:25:27 -0500 To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" From: dennis Subject: Re: BSDI and binary compatibility Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 05:36 PM 3/12/97 -0600, you wrote: >At 05:04 PM 3/12/97 -0500, Ron Bickers wrote: >>We are currently running multiple BSDI 2.1 and FreeBSD 2.1.7 machines. We >>recently received the BSDI 3.0 upgrade and I feel that it's mostly bells >>and whistles (most of which I don't want to use anyway). > >Last update I got was 2.1 under the service contract and it sounds like I >didn't miss a thing. Especially considering the price. I found it amazingly uninteresting myself. It took them an awful long time to do quite a lot of tuning. They do have that LICENSE thing now...the thing that spurts messages at you if you have more users than you PAID for...thats pretty useful. Luckily we're grandfathered into the unlimited users license. And it: - didn't work with an old ISA ide controller and CD-ROM - computed the disk size wrong from the bios and had to be manually overridden so much for plug and play installation! Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 18:01:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA25886 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:01:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25859; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:01:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.5/CET-v2.1) with SMTP id BAA24481; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 01:59:13 GMT Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:59:12 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Joe Greco cc: Tom Samplonius , taob@risc.org, mmead@goof.com, isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: block and frag size for news (was Re: freebsd as a news server?) In-Reply-To: <199703111608.KAA28112@solaria.sol.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Joe Greco wrote: > Yeah, well, I've traditionally used 4096/512 but in the last year or so > it's seemed to me that a few machines that I have with 8192/1024 are > "faster" (based mostly on feel). I had done some experimentation that > seemed to support that. I'm using 4096/1024. I think the overhead of managing 512K frags is not worth the efficient use of space and this is probably the performance problem. I would think that having a block size at 8192 would cause too many frag to block promotions on a news spool. Again I've been using. newfs -i 3072 -b 4096 -f 1024 -a 8 I used -a 8 to leave it at the default and as Bruce points out since the rotational delay now defaults to 0 the maxcontig setting probably doesn't matter. It might matter I suppose if it actually goes thru the motion of triggering a rotational delay, even if it's 0, after every 8 blocks. Using -i 3072 makes my df and df -i %Free columns very close for most spools. Regards, Mike Hancock From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 19:19:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA29672 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:19:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29667 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:19:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA03180; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:24:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:18:35 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold To: Neal Rigney cc: Dror Matalon , isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Billing Software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Neal Rigney wrote: > Would it be too much of a stretch to suggest maybe a group of us(isp'ers) > get together and write this software? It seems that everyone has the > same problem: they can't find software that fits their needs exactly. I > know what we're using works, but not *exactly* the way we want it to > work. This is exactly what I'd like to see too. I'm trying to come up with some tools now that I can contribute. Maybe someone else will have a piece... etc etc... Soon we have a package. ( with a little work ) +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 19:23:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA29788 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from cough-syrup.nethosting.com (cough-syrup.cyber-naut.com [192.41.77.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29783 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from jallen (sun02ppp22.pe.net [205.139.59.149]) by cough-syrup.nethosting.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA18853 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:08:44 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970312192300.007f93a0@jumpoint.com> X-Sender: jumpoint@jumpoint.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:23:06 -0800 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: jumPoint Administration Subject: A new server setup Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm going to be purchasing my own server soon, and I've pretty much decided to go with the FreeBSD - Apache combo. But I have a few questions: First, how much memory would you recommend? We are probably not going to be hosting more than 100 virtual accounts for a while, plus a few non-virtual, so is 32 megs enough, or do I need 64? Would Linux be a better choice of OS? What are the advantages/disadvantages of one vs the other? I have noticed that some web presence providers offer their clients their own configuration files, logs, everything, like they have their own server, but it's still virtual. How do you do that? What software do you need to accomplish it? To offer SSL secure connections, is stronghold the only software that does it? Any other tips that might come in handy would be appreciated. Thanks a lot! jumPoint - Jason Allen The Internet's Most Affordable Web Hosting ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For just $5 per month, you can have your own web page on the Internet. You get 5 MB of space, a POP E-Mail account, CGI-BIN access, unlimited bandwidth, and much more. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ URL: http://www.jumpoint.com E-Mail: admin@jumpoint.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 19:49:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA00904 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00897; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:49:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0w51Vg-0008zMC; Wed, 12 Mar 97 19:48 PST Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? To: ping@stepnet.com (Ping Mai) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:48:56 -0800 (PST) Cc: jgreco@solaria.sol.net, neal@pernet.net, mmead@goof.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, julian@whistle.com, tom@sdf.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199703122246.OAA25811@tibet.stepnet.com> from "Ping Mai" at Mar 12, 97 02:46:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > BTW, where can i find ncr-8xx based cards cheap? what brand/model > should i be looking for? Be careful --- some motherboards/bios's have trouble booting from them. -- Alan Batie ______ It's not my fault! It's some guy batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / named "General Protection"! +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Ratbert PGP FP: DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 \/ 7A 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 19:50:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA00977 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:50:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from blue.thrunet.net (ns2.thrunet.net [206.98.22.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00972 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by blue.thrunet.net (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id VAA02778; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:45:13 -0600 Received: from windozer.thrunet.net(206.98.23.97) by blue.thrunet.net via smap (g3.0.1) id sma002769; Wed, 12 Mar 97 21:44:58 -0600 Received: by windozer.thrunet.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BC2F2C.1179E940@windozer.thrunet.net>; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:26:37 -0600 Message-ID: <01BC2F2C.1179E940@windozer.thrunet.net> From: "Robert J. Strickler" To: "'isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Summary: Segate 9G ST4108 setup Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:26:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk be aware: "scsiformat" runs for HOURS! fdisk with the following parameters: cylinders=8669 heads=64 sectors/track=32 In partition 3 (counting from 0) sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 6144, size 17747968 (8666 Meg), flag 80 beg: cyl 3/ sector 1/ head 0; end: cyl 1023/ sector 32/ head 63 disklabel -R -r sd0 label-st4108 If you are telnetted to the system check for error messages in the log, sometimes they only go to SYSLOG and console. tail /var/log/messages create the special file for use by the "newfs" command /dev/MAKEDEV sd0s4 create the new filesystem newfs /dev/rsd0s4h add your mount point to /etc/fstab. -------- file label-st4108 ------------- # /dev/rsd0c: type: SCSI disk: sd0s4 label: NewsAlt flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 32 tracks/cylinder: 64 sectors/cylinder: 2048 cylinders: 8666 sectors/unit: 17747968 rpm: 3600 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] c: 17747968 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 8665) h: 17747936 32 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0*- 8665*) # From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 19:58:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA01403 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:58:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (fortress.org [198.168.253.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01398 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:58:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.7.6/8.6.12) id WAA19005; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:56:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:56:40 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: Thomas Arnold cc: Neal Rigney , Dror Matalon , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISP Billing Software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Thomas Arnold wrote: > On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Neal Rigney wrote: > > > Would it be too much of a stretch to suggest maybe a group of us(isp'ers) > > get together and write this software? It seems that everyone has the > > same problem: they can't find software that fits their needs exactly. I > > know what we're using works, but not *exactly* the way we want it to > > work. > > This is exactly what I'd like to see too. I'm trying to come up with some > tools now that I can contribute. Maybe someone else will have a piece... > etc etc... Soon we have a package. ( with a little work ) > Sounds like an interesting idea. I've developped a home brew package for my system. It still requires quite a bit of manual intervention, but here are some of the features that it currently has: - PGP Signing of invoices - Support for Canadian GST & PST taxes - Web interface for user database management - Record payements via web interface - Generates Excel compatible export list of invoiced clients - Maintains accounts receivables - Written in Perl I haven't yet decided what or how I want to distribute this, but I am open to suggestions as it needs a lot of work before it could become a full blown product. Regards, Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 20:54:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA04280 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:54:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from anacreon.sol.net (anacreon.sol.net [206.55.64.116]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04274; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:54:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by anacreon.sol.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA06636; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:54:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id WAA12296; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:54:18 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199703130454.WAA12296@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? To: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 22:54:16 CST Cc: ping@stepnet.com, neal@pernet.net, mmead@goof.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, julian@whistle.com, tom@sdf.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Alan Batie" at Mar 12, 97 07:48:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > BTW, where can i find ncr-8xx based cards cheap? what brand/model > > should i be looking for? > > Be careful --- some motherboards/bios's have trouble booting from them. The ASUS SC-200 is a well-designed controller, based on the NCR-810, that will cost about $60-$70 US. It is not ASUS-specific. I have seen similar cards for $30-$40 that are poorly designed: they typically have discrete SIP termination resistor packs on them which are often installed backwards from the factory, and are not as nice as the ASUS cards. NCR-810 based cards rely on the host BIOS to support them; they do not have an onboard BIOS like a 2940. All ASUS PCI boards I've seen support them. Many others do too, even a good number of boards which make NO mention of the fact. Award BIOS based boards in particular are good suspects. Additionally, if your BIOS does not support them, you can buy one 2940 (to boot from) and have a few 810's for extra SCSI channels (FreeBSD has no need for "BIOS support" per se). Or you could boot off of a crummy IDE drive. Lastly, MR BIOS is an option that may be feasible for some folks. I've upgraded a few Intel motherboards to an MR BIOS plus the NCR extensions, and it works fantastic. With all that in mind, I agree with the original poster: be careful. However, given the price, and the performance, you really aren't risking too much. :-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 20:55:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA04361 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04335; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id VAA23906; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:54:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA25679; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:54:15 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:54:15 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko To: Michael Hancock cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: block and frag size for news (was Re: freebsd as a news server?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 13 Mar 1997, Michael Hancock wrote: > I used -a 8 to leave it at the default and as Bruce points out since the > rotational delay now defaults to 0 the maxcontig setting probably doesn't > matter. It might matter I suppose if it actually goes thru the motion of > triggering a rotational delay, even if it's 0, after every 8 blocks. /sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_alloc.c (from 2.2; 2.1 is different but does a similar thing): /* * One or more previous blocks have been laid out. If less * than fs_maxcontig previous blocks are contiguous, the * next block is requested contiguously, otherwise it is * requested rotationally delayed by fs_rotdelay milliseconds. */ nextblk = bap[indx - 1] + fs->fs_frag; if (fs->fs_rotdelay == 0 || indx < fs->fs_maxcontig || bap[indx - fs->fs_maxcontig] + blkstofrags(fs, fs->fs_maxcontig) != nextblk) return (nextblk); /* * Here we convert ms of delay to frags as: * (frags) = (ms) * (rev/sec) * (sect/rev) / * ((sect/frag) * (ms/sec)) * then round up to the next block. */ nextblk += roundup(fs->fs_rotdelay * fs->fs_rps * fs->fs_nsect / (NSPF(fs) * 1000), fs->fs_frag); return (nextblk); To me, this says that if fs_rotdelay is 0 who cares about fs_maxcontig. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 22:18:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA07955 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:18:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.mrtc.org [199.4.33.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA07945; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) id UAA13508; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:17:50 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199703130617.UAA13508@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: problem with over 133 virutal domains with apache on 2.1.7 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970312165547.0115c830@mixcom.com> from "Jeffrey J. Mountin" at "Mar 12, 97 04:55:47 pm" To: sysop@mixcom.com (Jeffrey J. Mountin) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:17:49 -1000 (HST) Cc: langfod@dihelix.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jeffrey J. Mountin >At 10:13 AM 3/12/97 -1000, David Langford wrote: >> >>I have a problem with apache and virual domains on 2.1.7. >> >>When I add my 134'th virtual domain to apache it says it can no longer figure >>out its hostname and wants me to set ServerName > >If you have not done so, edit /sys/sys/syslimits.h > >OPEN_MAX to 256 >CHILD_MAX to 128 > >Max users 64 or 128 (doesn't matter much), but 128 squaks "> 64". > >Waiting to hear if anyone has exceeded these without any problems, >especially the OPEN_MAX value. >Pushed a server to 170 easily. 8-) I have MAXUSER set at 256 and I had OPEN_MAX set at 256. Still I get the problem. I notice that setting the OPEN_MAX to 1024 didnt seem to do a whole lot. One problem is that we DO have logging for each domain. Unfotunately I am not sure if I can turn it off now... This really messed up my migration schedule.... :) -David Langford langfod@dihelix.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 12 23:40:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA11853 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:40:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (root@gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA11844; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:40:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (root@sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.191]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA10354; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:40:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA06032; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:40:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA28450; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:40:44 -0800 (PST) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199703130740.XAA28450@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:40:44 -0800 In-Reply-To: "David Langford" "Re: problem with over 133 virutal domains with apache on 2.1.7" (Mar 12, 8:17pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: "David Langford" , sysop@mixcom.com (Jeffrey J. Mountin) Subject: Re: problem with over 133 virutal domains with apache on 2.1.7 Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mar 12, 8:17pm, "David Langford" wrote: } Subject: Re: problem with over 133 virutal domains with apache on 2.1.7 } Jeffrey J. Mountin } >At 10:13 AM 3/12/97 -1000, David Langford wrote: } >> } >>I have a problem with apache and virual domains on 2.1.7. } >> } >>When I add my 134'th virtual domain to apache it says it can no longer figure } >>out its hostname and wants me to set ServerName } > } >If you have not done so, edit /sys/sys/syslimits.h } > } >OPEN_MAX to 256 } >CHILD_MAX to 128 } > } >Max users 64 or 128 (doesn't matter much), but 128 squaks "> 64". } > } >Waiting to hear if anyone has exceeded these without any problems, } >especially the OPEN_MAX value. } >Pushed a server to 170 easily. 8-) } } I have MAXUSER set at 256 and I had OPEN_MAX set at 256. Still I get } the problem. I notice that setting the OPEN_MAX to 1024 didnt seem to do } a whole lot. Hmn, I bet you'll have to recompile apache with the flag -DFD_SETSIZE= otherwise select() won't be able to handle and fd's > 255 even though OPEN_MAX will allow them to be used. Hmn, you also have to compile a custom version of libresolv.a compiled with the same flag and statically link it in to your apache executable because the resolver also uses select(). --- Truck From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 13 00:53:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA15032 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 00:53:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA15023 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 00:53:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA04394; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 00:53:45 -0800 (PST) To: Ron Bickers cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDI and binary compatibility In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:04:20 EST." Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 00:53:45 -0800 Message-ID: <4389.858243225@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've considered switching things to FreeBSD, but we do have a few binary > only products (and I know there are others available) for BSDI. Does > anyone know how compatible BSDI binaries are with FreeBSD and if the > developers intend to continue compatibility? 1. Very compatible. 2. Absolutely. Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 13 15:15:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA26177 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:15:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-19.netcom.ca [207.181.94.83]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26172; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:15:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id TAA00651; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:15:09 -0400 (AST) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:15:09 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Angelo Turetta cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" , "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Large mailing lists: mailer optimization In-Reply-To: <31EBCC36B676D01197E400801E0324953E90@STYLOSERVER> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Angelo Turetta wrote: > I remember a discussion (it was more than a year ago) about the > optimisation of the freebsd mailing lists. > > When using Majordomo as a list manager, you end up with a single message > being sent to all the users in the list. If some server is slow to > reply, sendmail takes forever to process the queue, because it cannot > proceed in parallel with the other recipients. > > There should be some tools to break the huge recipient lists into a > number of smaller ones, thus parallelizing a great deal of work. Too bad > I cannot remember any name.... > > Any pointers ? > Check the majordomo FAQ for the location, but there is a program called 'bulk_mailer' that does this. I breaks down the list into smaller lists sorted by domains, so that a queue makes a connection to the remove host, and just send all the email for that domain through at once... Using it here and it works beautifully... From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 13 15:26:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA26624 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:26:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from softway95.softway.com (softway95.softway.com [206.80.1.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26619 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:26:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from renaud@localhost) by softway95.softway.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA21549; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:25:46 -0800 (PST) From: Renaud Waldura Message-Id: <199703132325.PAA21549@softway95.softway.com> Subject: Re: BSDI and binary compatibility To: bradley@dunn.org (Bradley Dunn) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:25:41 -0800 (PST) Cc: rbickers@intercenter.net, isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Bradley Dunn" at Mar 12, 97 06:48:39 pm Reply-To: Renaud Waldura Organization: Softway, Inc. (San Francisco) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bradley Dunn wrote: > > we would never consider going back. I really don't see any major > advantages of BSDI over FreeBSD for ISP use, unless you need technical > support (which costs extra anyway). Besides, the FreeBSD mailing lists are Same comment here. If you're knowledgeable enough, go FreeBSD at first, it'll be cheaper in the short term and -- dare I say -- more valuable in the long term. You'll get more for less money. I think most people buy BSDI because they're afraid (correctly or not) of the lack of support in FreeBSD. Who needs technical support when have the source anyway? :) My Opinion Only. -- -- Renaud Waldura -- -- Softway International, Inc -- -- rw@softway.com -- -- 185 Berry Street, Suite 5514 -- -- San Francisco, CA 94107 -- -- USA -- -- Tel (415) 896-0708 -- Fax (415) 896-0709 -- http://www.softway.com/ -- -- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 13 15:44:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA27492 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:44:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27485 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA16331 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:43:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA10464; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:47:21 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:47:21 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: gated and OSPF anyone? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm trying to convert my internal network from RIP to OSPF using gated. I'm not having much luck. Does anyone have experience here, perhaps with working config files. Thanks very much in advance. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 13 16:53:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA01556 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:53:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01551 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA00585; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:53:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:53:33 -0500 (EST) From: Bradley Dunn X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gated and OSPF anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > I'm trying to convert my internal network from RIP to OSPF using gated. > I'm not having much luck. Does anyone have experience here, perhaps with > working config files. # Gated config file. See http://www.gated.org/ for docs and pointers to # gated mailing lists. Please no flames for poor style. :) # # Trace Options. Could replace 'all' with 'general' for less verbosity traceoptions "/var/tmp/gated.trace" replace size 1m files 2 all; # Interfaces statement interfaces { interface all passive; }; # Turn OSPF on ospf yes { backbone { # Authentication, could be 'none' authtype simple; # Use the networks statement to define what networks to run OSPF on networks { X.X.X.X mask X.X.X.X; }; # One interface statement for each network interface that will # participate in OSPF interface X.X.X.X cost 1 { retransmitinterval 5; transitdelay 1; priority 1; hellointerval 10; routerdeadinterval 40; # Put your password here if you are using password auth authkey "XXXXXXXX"; }; }; }; # Define static routes static { X.X.X.X masklen 24 gateway X.X.X.X; ... }; # Export static and directly connected routes into OSPF export proto ospfase { proto static; proto direct; }; From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 13 20:11:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA14117 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 20:11:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from msn.globaldialog.com (msn.globaldialog.com [156.46.122.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14112 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 20:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from br05 (br05.bentreality.com [156.46.122.253]) by msn.globaldialog.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA06220 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 22:11:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 22:11:18 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703140411.WAA06220@msn.globaldialog.com> X-Sender: jwenger@globaldialog.com X-EUDORA-DEMO: NOT FOR RESALE - 90 DAY DEMONSTRATION COPY X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: FreeBSD ISP list From: Jack Wenger Subject: Passwd Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is a typical numbskull act. I forgot my root password (duhhhhhhh) Can anyone help me figure out a way into my own box? Please reply privately... |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'-**-'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Jack Wenger, Owner Bent Reality Graphics | | info@bentreality.com ^ http://www.bentreality.com | | 608-233-8571 | `~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'-**-'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 13 22:54:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA02424 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 22:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from jump.net (serv1-2.jump.net [204.238.120.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02407; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 22:54:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from benjamin.adonai.com by jump.net (8.8.5/BERK-6.8.11) id AAA17771; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:54:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970314065412.006970d4@jump.net> X-Sender: adonai@jump.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:54:12 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org From: Lee Crites Subject: How are you setting your modems???? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Okay, I've got 2.2 up and running, and my digiboard seems to work fine. Now I'm trying to send configurations to my modems. I just can't seem to get it to happen. How do y'all do this? The closest thing to success I've had so far is with the cu command. I'm doing something like: #cu -l /dev/cuaD00 dir ATwhatever ~. I can see the lights on the modem blinking, but nothing shows up on the screen. When I've used /dev/ttyD00 I get nothing back, and the ~. command doesn't work. I'm sort of getting the impression from some of the tidbits around that the ttyD device goes one way (in?) and the cuaD device goes the other way (out?). If that is the case, then I guess it would be logical that one would work (cuaD00) and one would not (ttyD00). If this impression has nothing to do with reality, please let me know. If there is someplace where these things are documented, I'd also appreciate a pointer. So, y'all, what utility do you use to configure your modems? Please don't tell me you take them one at a time to a DOS pc and use something like procomm to do the job. While this is possible, it would greatly disappoint me... Thanks muchly... Lee From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 14 00:36:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA07302 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:36:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ts.shopnet.com ([208.131.136.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA07297; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:36:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from deichert@localhost) by ts.shopnet.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id BAA27819; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 01:38:15 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 01:38:15 -0700 (MST) From: Diana Eichert X-Sender: deichert@ts.shopnet.com To: Lee Crites cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How are you setting your modems???? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970314065412.006970d4@jump.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Lee Crites wrote: > The closest thing to success I've had so far is with the cu command. I'm > doing something like: > > #cu -l /dev/cuaD00 dir > ATwhatever > ~. Try ATZ first, sometimes echo is not turned on, also what baud rate are your ports setup to? I usually invoke cu like this: cu -l \dev\cuac3 -s 57600 I have cyclades cards, ports set to 57600 in /etc/ttys, works. > So, y'all, what utility do you use to configure your modems? Please don't > tell me you take them one at a time to a DOS pc and use something like > procomm to do the job. While this is possible, it would greatly disappoint > me... Me, I run mgetty, Gert Doering's getty replacement, modem setup strings a breeze, it recognizes inbound PAP connection, plus has FAX support, etc.... http://www.leo.org/~doering/mgetty/ > Thanks muchly... > > Lee diana Diana Eichert VP Technical Services Auto Systems, Inc. deichert@wrench.com Tele: 505/239-2933 FAX: 505/837-2571 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 14 01:12:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA08840 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 01:12:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA08832; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 01:12:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA24358; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:12:24 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28689; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:08:15 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19970314100814.TS02670@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:08:14 +0100 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: adonai@jump.net (Lee Crites) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How are you setting your modems???? References: <1.5.4.32.19970314065412.006970d4@jump.net> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970314065412.006970d4@jump.net>; from Lee Crites on Mar 14, 1997 00:54:12 -0600 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Lee Crites wrote: > The closest thing to success I've had so far is with the cu command. I'm > doing something like: > > #cu -l /dev/cuaD00 dir > ATwhatever > ~. > > I can see the lights on the modem blinking, but nothing shows up on the > screen. You must be close. What exactly means `dir' in your command? Also, make sure to define the speed, e.g. by -s 57600. For the rest, you probably need what we call over here ``Mäusekino'', such a small gadget to monitor the V.24 lines. > When I've used /dev/ttyD00 I get nothing back, and the ~. command > doesn't work. Have a look at the ps -alx output: you would have seen a "siodcd" as the WCHAN. Means its waiting for carrier to arrive (DCD). That's the normal way a getty works, it tries to open the ttyd device, and blocks for carrier. > I'm sort of getting the impression from some of the tidbits > around that the ttyD device goes one way (in?) and the cuaD device goes the > other way (out?). You're totally right. The cua devices are the ``callout units''. They don't block on carrier (but interlock with the pending open on the ttyd device, so the waiting getty won't get the device while you are dialing out), and they behave similar to CLOCAL until the carrier first arrived. After this, they behave like -CLOCAL, thus you get a SIGHUP when carrier drops. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 14 02:09:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA11560 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 02:09:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccsales.ccsales.com (ccsales.com [206.5.38.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA11553 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 02:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccswin95-2.ccsales.com ([207.137.172.85]) by ccsales.ccsales.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA22394 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 02:11:20 -0800 Message-ID: <3304AA38.23A3@ccsales.com> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 02:08:56 +0800 From: Randy Katz Reply-To: randyk@ccsales.com Organization: CCSales, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: [Fwd: Routing and FreeBSD] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------79BD21BA1C251" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------------79BD21BA1C251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ------------79BD21BA1C251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: randyk Received: (from randyk@localhost) by ccsales.ccsales.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA22303; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 02:01:59 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 02:01:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199703141001.CAA22303@ccsales.ccsales.com> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/support.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.5 X-Personal_name: Randy Katz From: randyk@ccsales.com Subject: Routing and FreeBSD Cc: randyk@ccsales.com I would like to know how to use FreeBSD as a router. I want to make a supernet of the following /24s: 207.137.172.xxx 207.137.173.xxx 207.137.174.xxx 207.137.175.xxx What I really want to do is this: 207.137.172.1 Main Router to T1 207.137.172.11 NS1.HIPER.NET 207.137.172.12 NS2.HIPER.NET 207.137.173.1 VS.HIPER.NET - A virtual server host that will support up to 254 virtual hosts for Web Sites and FTP server(s). 207.137.173.2-255 Virtual Host IPs 207.137.174.1 VS2.HIPER.NET - Another Virtual Host Server. 207.137.174.2-255 More Virtual Host IPs 207.137.175.1 VS3.HIPER.NET - Another Virtual Host Server. 207.137.174.2-255 More Virtual Host IPs My problem is as follows: My router does not understand superneting re:RFC1519 where one could group the IP /24s as one group of 2, 4, etc... How do I get a FreeBSD machine to act as the router for those /24s? Is it possible? Thanx, Randy Katz ------------79BD21BA1C251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Randy Katz Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="nsmailH6.TMP" Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="nsmailH6.TMP" BEGIN:VCARD FN:Randy Katz N:Katz;Randy ORG:Computer Consultation & Sales ADR:;;505 S. Beverly Drive, Suite 472;Beverly Hills;CA;90212 EMAIL;INTERNET:randyk@ccsales.com TITLE:President TEL;WORK:(213) 307-9581 TEL;FAX:(213) 655-9474 TEL;HOME:(213) 307-9581 X-MOZILLA-HTML:T END:VCARD ------------79BD21BA1C251-- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 14 03:49:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA14344 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 03:49:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccsales.ccsales.com (ccsales.com [206.5.38.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA14339 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 03:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccswin95-2.ccsales.com ([207.137.172.85]) by ccsales.ccsales.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA23071; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 03:50:54 -0800 Message-ID: <3304C18E.696B@ccsales.com> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 03:48:31 +0800 From: Randy Katz Reply-To: randyk@ccsales.com Organization: CCSales, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD router X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------1CA4742A50050" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------------1CA4742A50050 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a router configured at 207.137.172.1 It's subnet mask is 255.255.255.0. I have the .173 .174. and .175 how do I get them to be one big network? what parameters do I use in gated.conf? Do I just set the interfaces IP address and that's it? Where do I go to understand routing better? Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: Randy, You need to run gated with OSPF. See www.gated.org. Regards, Danny ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:53:33 -0500 (EST) From: Bradley Dunn To: Daniel O'Callaghan Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gated and OSPF anyone? On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > I'm trying to convert my internal network from RIP to OSPF using gated. > I'm not having much luck. Does anyone have experience here, perhaps with > working config files. # Gated config file. See http://www.gated.org/ for docs and pointers to # gated mailing lists. Please no flames for poor style. :) # # Trace Options. Could replace 'all' with 'general' for less verbosity traceoptions "/var/tmp/gated.trace" replace size 1m files 2 all; # Interfaces statement interfaces { interface all passive; }; # Turn OSPF on ospf yes { backbone { # Authentication, could be 'none' authtype simple; # Use the networks statement to define what networks to run OSPF on networks { X.X.X.X mask X.X.X.X; }; # One interface statement for each network interface that will # participate in OSPF interface X.X.X.X cost 1 { retransmitinterval 5; transitdelay 1; priority 1; hellointerval 10; routerdeadinterval 40; # Put your password here if you are using password auth authkey "XXXXXXXX"; }; }; }; # Define static routes static { X.X.X.X masklen 24 gateway X.X.X.X; ... }; # Export static and directly connected routes into OSPF export proto ospfase { proto static; proto direct; }; ------------1CA4742A50050 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Randy Katz Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="nsmail5T.TMP" Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="nsmail5T.TMP" BEGIN:VCARD FN:Randy Katz N:Katz;Randy ORG:Computer Consultation & Sales ADR:;;505 S. Beverly Drive, Suite 472;Beverly Hills;CA;90212 EMAIL;INTERNET:randyk@ccsales.com TITLE:President TEL;WORK:(213) 307-9581 TEL;FAX:(213) 655-9474 TEL;HOME:(213) 307-9581 X-MOZILLA-HTML:T END:VCARD ------------1CA4742A50050-- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 14 04:46:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA16863 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 04:46:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from msn.globaldialog.com (root@msn.globaldialog.com [156.46.122.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA16855 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 04:46:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from br05 (br05.bentreality.com [156.46.122.253]) by msn.globaldialog.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA14228 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 06:46:19 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 06:46:19 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703141246.GAA14228@msn.globaldialog.com> X-Sender: jwenger@globaldialog.com X-EUDORA-DEMO: NOT FOR RESALE - 90 DAY DEMONSTRATION COPY X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: FreeBSD ISP list From: Jack Wenger Subject: Re: Passwd Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanx for all the replies. I fixed my root password. That'll teach me to write stuff down ;} |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'-**-'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Jack Wenger, Owner Bent Reality Graphics | | info@bentreality.com ^ http://www.bentreality.com | | 608-233-8571 | `~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'-**-'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 14 05:37:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA18695 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 05:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from msn.globaldialog.com (root@msn.globaldialog.com [156.46.122.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA18690 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 05:37:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from br05 (br05.bentreality.com [156.46.122.253]) by msn.globaldialog.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA16934 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 07:37:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 07:37:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703141337.HAA16934@msn.globaldialog.com> X-Sender: jwenger@globaldialog.com X-EUDORA-DEMO: NOT FOR RESALE - 90 DAY DEMONSTRATION COPY X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: FreeBSD ISP list From: Jack Wenger Subject: RE: Passwd (The answer) Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I got a couple of requests for the answer to losing your root password. This will *ONLY* work on the console, and if you don't have the console locked (which I didn't). ctrl-alt-del boot: -s # /sbin/fsck -p # /sbin/mount -a # passwd root # ctrl-D It took me about 5 minutes to do this. Again, THANK YOU to everyone for all of the timely, lucid replies. |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'-**-'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Jack Wenger, Owner Bent Reality Graphics | | info@bentreality.com ^ http://www.bentreality.com | | 608-233-8571 | `~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'-**-'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 14 17:59:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28994 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:59:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from eternal.dusk.net (root@eternal.dusk.net [207.219.16.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA28989 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:59:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from expert@localhost) by eternal.dusk.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA03132 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 21:53:10 -0400 (AST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 21:53:10 -0400 (AST) From: Christian Hochhold Message-Id: <199703150153.VAA03132@eternal.dusk.net> Subject: Sendmail Question [1;24r\E[24;1H:\ :rs=\E>\E[?1;3;4;5;7l\E[?8h:\ :tc=vt102am: To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk vt102-w|dec vt102 132 cols (w/advanced video):\ :if=/usr/shÙ¿ï To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 21:53:10 -0400 (AST) X-URL: http://www.dusk.net & http://www.vampires.net X-Moto: Live for today and let the future take care of itself X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 737 Good Evening folks =) I onwder if someone ( few) could lend a hand with this problem that is, basically, driving me insane. I have several virtual domains on my server - sendmail works fine IF the user exists on my system. My biggest problem is that I wantto be able to give my clients the opportunity to have sales@virtdomain.com as well as info@virtdomain.com and of course, first.last@virtdomain.com. as right now, any e-mail sent to sales or info@virtdomain.com all go to my companys' sales & info's mail, rather than to their own. Could someone please present me with a solution (it would be greatly appreciated) or with some links that I could go explore and find the answers for myself. Thank You in advance! Christian From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 14 18:07:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA29361 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 18:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA29307 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 18:06:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA18229; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:12:46 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:12:45 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Rocket port serial cards Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Has anyone had any luck getting the Rocketport serial cards from Comtrol working? They use a single IRQ for eight serial ports. Thanks, Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 14 19:20:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA01965 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from kilgour.nething.com (kilgour.nething.com [204.253.210.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01960 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:20:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from randy.nething.com (randy.nething.com [204.253.210.83]) by kilgour.nething.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA17931; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 21:17:54 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970314211941.007c3160@nething.com> X-Sender: rberndt@nething.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 21:19:41 -0600 To: Christian Hochhold , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Randy Berndt Subject: Re: Sendmail Question In-Reply-To: <199703150153.VAA03132@eternal.dusk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Try looking at the following URL. It talks about exactly what you want to do. http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/sendmail-faq/faq.html If you check the part on virtual domain hosting, you will see a reference to: http://www.westnet.com/providers/ which has three articles about virtual domains, which appear to be close to the same thing described in the first one. It would APPEAR (I make No guarantees!!!) that settting this up is fairly straightforward and would involve (as far as long term maintenance) only editing the text file containing the redirections and a database build. At 09:53 PM 3/14/97 -0400, Christian Hochhold wrote: >Good Evening folks =) > >I onwder if someone ( few) could lend a hand with >this problem that is, basically, driving me insane. > >I have several virtual domains on my server - >sendmail works fine IF the user exists on my system. > >My biggest problem is that I wantto be able to >give my clients the opportunity to have > >sales@virtdomain.com as well as >info@virtdomain.com and of course, >first.last@virtdomain.com. > >as right now, any e-mail sent to >sales or info@virtdomain.com all go to my companys' >sales & info's mail, rather than to their own. > >Could someone please present me with a solution >(it would be greatly appreciated) or with some >links that I could go explore and find the answers for >myself. > > >Thank You in advance! > >Christian > > > Randy Berndt ---------------------------------- AOS/VS, FreeBSD, DOS: I'm caught in a maze of twisty little command interpreters, all different. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 14 23:31:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA09160 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 23:31:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from eternal.dusk.net (root@eternal.dusk.net [207.219.16.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA09154 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 23:31:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from expert@localhost) by eternal.dusk.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA03722; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 03:25:26 -0400 (AST) From: Christian Hochhold Message-Id: <199703150725.DAA03722@eternal.dusk.net> Subject: Re: Sendmail Question To: rberndt@nething.com (Randy Berndt) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 03:25:26 -0400 (AST) Cc: expert@dusk.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970314211941.007c3160@nething.com> from Randy Berndt at "Mar 14, 97 09:19:41 pm" X-URL: http://www.dusk.net & http://www.vampires.net X-Moto: Live for today and let the future take care of itself X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Good Morning =) Thank you very much to all that replied, especially Randy Berndt - I had it up and running -working with info, sales etc. within 5 minutes ( ironic isn't it, that I spend several hours trying to figure out what was wrong ). Again, Thanks to all =) Christian From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 15 00:01:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA10178 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 00:01:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ts.shopnet.com ([208.131.136.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA10173 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 00:01:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from deichert@localhost) by ts.shopnet.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id BAA07668; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 01:03:00 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 01:03:00 -0700 (MST) From: Diana Eichert X-Sender: deichert@ts.shopnet.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail Question In-Reply-To: <199703150725.DAA03722@eternal.dusk.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 15 Mar 1997, Christian Hochhold wrote: > Good Morning =) > > Thank you very much to all that replied, especially > Randy Berndt - I had it up and running -working with info, sales > etc. within 5 minutes ( ironic isn't it, that I spend several > hours trying to figure out what was wrong ). My thanks also, I kept putting virtual domain support on the back burner. When I saw this question and replies come down the pipe I decided to not put it off any longer. The pointers sure saved me a lot of time and means I get some sleep tonight, PLUS I accomplished something besides drinking to many beers on a Friday night. ;-) diana Diana Eichert VP Technical Services Auto Systems, Inc. deichert@wrench.com Tele: 505/873-7867 FAX: 505/873-7925 From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 15 10:11:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02607 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from revelstone.jvm.com (revelstone.jvm.com [207.98.213.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02469; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fbsdlist@localhost) by revelstone.jvm.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA02670; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:09:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:09:02 -0500 (EST) From: Cliff Addy To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Multiple Class Cs on one network Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We have a network that contains several large virtual web hosting systems, as well as our workstations. We are fortunate to have grown to the point that we've used up our class C network and need to add another. However, I'm confused as to how it will be routed. What I want to do is add a couple more machines that will use the new class C addresses and hang everyone off the same hub. However, these machines would have to communicate with the machines on the old address block. How to I tell the FreeBSD boxes that particular networks should be looked for directly on the local net, rather than being handed off to the T1 router? I would think that the router (Cisco 2501) could be configured to bounce the packet back onto the network. But I don't think it would be a good idea to run all inter-network trafffic through the router. I'm thinking that I'm looking at a static route, but I can't puzzle out what the route syntax should be. Basicly, I'm at a loss here and would appreciate a pointer in the right direction. If I need to build a box specifically to sit in the middle and act as a router, I will, but I would rather not. Thanks, Cliff From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 15 17:10:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16399 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 17:10:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16350; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 17:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA23187; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 12:17:12 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 12:17:11 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Cliff Addy cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Multiple Class Cs on one network In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm not sure if I understand how you have done what you have done so far, but my guess is that you have aliased your original class C onto your ethernet interface. What I have done for my WWW servers is put an entire class C onto lo0 and route to the box as a gateway for the network. e.g 203.29.224.16/28 -------------------------------.30 | | | | .17 .18 .20 .19 {lo0=203.8.13.*} .17, .18, .20, .30 all have a route to 203.8.13.0 via 203.29.224.19 You can do this with a static route in FreeBSD via the command "route add 203.8.13.0 203.29.224.19" or in the static routes section of /etc/sysconfig. Alternatively you can use gated if you want dynamic routing. Cheers, Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 15 19:07:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA02910 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 19:07:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02892; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 19:07:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id UAA01691; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 20:07:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA07731; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 20:06:53 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 20:06:53 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko cc: isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a news server? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Marc Slemko wrote: > You are probably using 2.2 or -current, right? On a 2.2 system I get > similar results to yours. On 2.1, async mounts only change one bit of > ffs code. In 2.2, they make more things async. I don't think the > difference in real life between 2.1 async and 2.2 async is as big as in a > test like this. For anyone still interested in this sync vs. async discussion, below is patch for 2.1-stable that should make async close to what it is in 2.2. This is the same change that was made in 2.2... Index: ffs_inode.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_inode.c,v retrieving revision 1.13.4.1 diff -c -r1.13.4.1 ffs_inode.c *** ffs_inode.c 1995/08/24 06:03:02 1.13.4.1 --- ffs_inode.c 1997/03/16 01:23:13 *************** *** 222,227 **** --- 222,229 ---- oip->i_size = length; if (aflags & B_SYNC) bwrite(bp); + else if (ovp->v_mount->mnt_flag & MNT_ASYNC) + bdwrite(bp); else bawrite(bp); vnode_pager_setsize(ovp, (u_long)length); *************** *** 252,257 **** --- 254,261 ---- allocbuf(bp, size); if (aflags & B_SYNC) bwrite(bp); + else if (ovp->v_mount->mnt_flag & MNT_ASYNC) + bdwrite(bp); else bawrite(bp); }