From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 27 04:52:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA09030 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 04:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA09024 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 04:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id GAA02752; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 06:53:08 -0500 Received: from p75.mixcom.com(198.137.186.25) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma002745; Sun Apr 27 11:52:51 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970427065457.00ad7510@mixcom.com> X-Sender: sysop@mixcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 06:54:57 -0500 To: Matthew White From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: kernel panics Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 06:16 AM 4/27/97 -0400, Matthew White wrote: >I got this console message the other day. Then a linux kernel panics and >you get a message like this, you're supposed to mail it to Linus. Is there >a person in the FreeBSD development team that gets these messages? Can >anyone on the list tell me what this means? Another box on our network did >the same thing, until we replaced the overheating hard drive. Would that >cause these panics? > >The box is a P-166, 128MB RAM, 8GB (AHA-2940) disk, 2.1.6. It does NFS >exporting to our web server, POP email, telnet sessions, and primary DNS. >Fatal Trap 12 >Page fault while in kernel mode >Fault virtual address = 0x0 >Fault code = supervisor write, page not present >Instruction pointer: 0x8: 0xf017a65 >Code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > = DPL, 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 >Processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 >Current process = 95 nfsd >Interrupt Mask = >Panic: page fault This is similar to what I had with 2 different 2940U (just U not UW) cards along with 2 mbs, blah... it just would not work and if it got past boot it would give a "spurrious interrupt IRQ6" and reboot with 2.1.5 .6 .7 2.2.0 .1 and in case I missed something (or am missing something ;) I was watched as I proceeded to swap just about everthing except the standoffs, screws, and case. In some cases I had at least 3 of certain parts. Oh and then I tried it without the card after clearing the settings on the ASUS, which the other board could not do. On top of that both cards wacked out a workstation here. Not an answer, but a bad experience with the 2940U, but OTOH a 2940 works perfect in a 2.1.7 and a 2940UW in a 2.2.1 server and they both worked for 2.1.5 and up without a hitch. ------------------------------------------- Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator jeff@mixcom.net MIX Communications Serving the Internet since 1990 From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 27 09:26:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17535 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 09:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dilbert.iagnet.net (root@dilbert.iagnet.net [207.206.8.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17529 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 09:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by dilbert.iagnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA07615; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 12:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704271626.MAA07615@dilbert.iagnet.net> Subject: Re: SMTP gateway clients To: shovey@buffnet.net (Stephen Hovey) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 12:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Stephen Hovey at "Apr 26, 97 10:22:21 pm" RFC_Violation: You saw it here first! From: jamie@dilbert.iagnet.net (Jamie Rishaw) Reply-To: jamie@dilbert.iagnet.net Organization: Internet Access Group X-No-Archive: yes X-Face: >:-p X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, it's kinda sick, but you could run.. sendmail -bd -q5m on the MX for their domain.. That way, if they are on for atleast 5 min, chances are if they have mail waiting it'll go to them. Or, you could have some script run (dont know what term server you are using) when they log in that will trigger a sendmail -q .. > They said, and I quote - "Im not spending $1000 on a new gateway just to > make up for your deficiencies." > > So actually I dont know why I give a flip. > > On Sat, 26 Apr 1997, Jay D. Nelson wrote: > > > I may be too dense, but I don't understand what `dial up' SMTP gains over > > UUCP -- except the added IP overhead. Am I missing something or does your > > customer just have a burr under the blanket? > > > > -- Jay > > > > On Sat, 26 Apr 1997, Steve wrote: > > > > ->On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, spork wrote: > > -> > > ->> I remember we hacked it with two by having one default through the > > ->> other... It worked, but the one acting as the gateway for the other was > > ->> not very happy... > > ->> > > ->> Please post your solution, as Annexes amuse me to no end. They are such > > ->> evil little boxes. I've also heard (not a routing expert) that RIP v2 > > ->> updates on any change, which would solve the problem assuming the Annex > > ->> can do v2... > > -> > > ->They do rip2, but it doesnt apparently work. One person sent me a > > ->possible solution. Using 1 class C for the annex ethernet cards, and the > > ->static IPs so that the ethernet cards would proxy arp them. Then another > > ->class C for the dynamic ones assigned to modems, then static routes in > > ->ones cisco to assist the world in finding the non-statics. > > -> > > ->I think I will tell the 1 or 2 people who want smtp to buy uucp or hike. > > -> > > ->> > > ->> Charles > > ->> > > ->> On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Bill Grunfelder wrote: > > ->> > > ->> > How many RA4000s do you have? I have a solution (albeit an ugly one, but it > > ->> > works) if you've only got 2 of them, and a cisco router (not sure if it will > > ->> > work with others). > > ->> > > > ->> > > > ->> > Bill > > ->> > ....................................................................... > > ->> > Bill Grunfelder System Administrator > > ->> > wjgrun@cyberwar.com Cyber Warrior, Inc. > > ->> > http://www.cyberwar.com/~wjgrun/ (201) 703-1517 > > ->> > > > ->> > -The above does not necessarily coincide with the views of my employer- > > ->> > > > ->> > > ->> > > -> > > > > > -- jamie g.k. rishaw Internet Access Group Chance favors the prepared mind. __ [http://www.iagnet.net] DID:216.902.5455 FAX:216.623.3566 \/ 800:800.637.4IAGx5455 From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 27 11:17:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21777 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 11:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA21772 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 11:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA11896 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 11:17:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA11123 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 11:11:48 -0700 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 11:11:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMTP gateway clients In-Reply-To: <199704271626.MAA07615@dilbert.iagnet.net> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 27 Apr 1997, Jamie Rishaw wrote: > Or, you could have some script run (dont know what term server you are using) > when they log in that will trigger a sendmail -q .. It's called ETRN. telnet to port 25 and enter the command ETRN domain.name QUIT There is NT software that will do this including some SMTP servers. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 27 12:47:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25526 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 12:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25515 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 12:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA25561; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 12:47:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199704271947.MAA25561@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: kernel panics In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970427065457.00ad7510@mixcom.com> from "Jeffrey J. Mountin" at "Apr 27, 97 06:54:57 am" To: sysop@mixcom.com (Jeffrey J. Mountin) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 12:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Cc: mtw@user1.channel1.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > This is similar to what I had with 2 different 2940U (just U not UW) cards Can you check those ``2940U's'' and make sure they are not 2940AU's. > along with 2 mbs, blah... it just would not work and if it got past boot it > would give a "spurrious interrupt IRQ6" and reboot with 2.1.5 .6 .7 2.2.0 > .1 and in case I missed something (or am missing something ;) I was watched > as I proceeded to swap just about everthing except the standoffs, screws, > and case. In some cases I had at least 3 of certain parts. Oh and then I > tried it without the card after clearing the settings on the ASUS, which > the other board could not do. > > On top of that both cards wacked out a workstation here. > > Not an answer, but a bad experience with the 2940U, but OTOH a 2940 works > perfect in a 2.1.7 and a 2940UW in a 2.2.1 server and they both worked for > 2.1.5 and up without a hitch. > > > ------------------------------------------- > Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator > jeff@mixcom.net > > MIX Communications > Serving the Internet since 1990 > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 27 15:44:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03533 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 15:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mars.aros.net (mars.aros.net [207.173.16.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03502; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 15:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.aros.net (root@shell.aros.net [207.173.16.19]) by mars.aros.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA00674; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 16:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.aros.net (msanders@localhost.aros.net [127.0.0.1]) by shell.aros.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17399; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 16:43:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199704272243.QAA17399@shell.aros.net> X-Attribution: msanders To: dennis cc: dg@root.com, "Michael K. Sanders" , Christopher Sedore , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Router statistics In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 26 Apr 1997 20:00:18 EDT." <3.0.32.19970426200011.00b9aad0@etinc.com> X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 16:43:52 -0600 From: "Michael K. Sanders" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <3.0.32.19970426200011.00b9aad0@etinc.com>, dennis writes: >Thats good....and I've seen them for $139. (a good price?), which isn't >bad at all. I did notice that its a rather long card, which may be an >issue..... If we're still talking about the Intel EtherExpress Pro/100B, then no, it's a /very/ small card, and last time I checked lists for $99. Intel recently offered a promotion where you could pick up 1-2 of them for $49 each, but I believe it's over. :( From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 27 16:04:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA04354 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 16:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04329 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 16:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA13312; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:04:08 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:04:08 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Michael Dillon cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SMTP gateway clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 27 Apr 1997, Michael Dillon wrote: > On Sun, 27 Apr 1997, Jamie Rishaw wrote: > > > Or, you could have some script run (dont know what term server you are using) > > when they log in that will trigger a sendmail -q .. > > It's called ETRN. > telnet to port 25 and enter the command > > ETRN domain.name > QUIT but it only works with a fixed IP address for the relay. The original question was how to use dynamic IP address for the relay. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Apr 27 19:41:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA14364 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 19:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outland.cyberwar.com (root@outland.cyberwar.com [206.88.128.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14354 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 19:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skippy.grunfelder.com (nj004z-194.cybernex.net [207.198.208.194]) by outland.cyberwar.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA27642; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 22:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970427224052.006bde94@pop.cyberwar.com> X-Sender: wjgrun@pop.cyberwar.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 22:40:52 -0400 To: spork From: Bill Grunfelder Subject: Re: SMTP gateway clients Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.32.19970425151539.0095c7a0@pop.cyberwar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 08:31 PM 4/25/97 -0400, spork wrote: >Please post your solution, as Annexes amuse me to no end. They are such >evil little boxes. I've also heard (not a routing expert) that RIP v2 >updates on any change, which would solve the problem assuming the Annex >can do v2... OK, this was my response (originally sent via email, not to the list). This will only work for 2 RA4000s... ----------begin included message---------- >I got 5 and a cisco router. OK, This won't work for you then, but I'll tell you what I did with 2 RA4000s and maybe it will give you some ideas... My situation is this, we're a small ISP, with 2 RA4000s(72 ports each). Well, we've got a class C for dynamic dialup and a class C for static dialup. If you use the same class C for dynamic, static addresses (on one RA400) and the IP address for the RA4000 itself, then there's no problem. The problem is when you have more than one RA4000 and have the dialup IPs on a different class C as the RA4000. What I did is this: Used class C number 1 for the dynamic dialups. Used class C number 2 for the static dialups. Selected IP addresses from class C number 2 for each RA4000 and the cisco. Since the RA4000 is using the same class C as the static dialups, the RA4000s will "proxy-arp" for the static addresses...but then there's the problem that class C number 1 addresses won't "work"...so, on the cisco: ip route X.X.X.0 255.255.255.128 Y.Y.Y.1 ip route X.X.X.128 255.255.255.128 Y.Y.Y.2 ip subnet-zero XXX.XXX.XXX = Class C number 1 YYY.YYY.YYY = Class C number 2 (.1 = 1st RA4000, .2 = 2nd RA4000) use (X.X.X.[1-127]) for RA4000 number 1, and (X.X.X.[129-254] for RA4000 number 2... ---------- end included message ---------- Hope that helps... Bill ....................................................................... Bill Grunfelder System Administrator wjgrun@cyberwar.com Cyber Warrior, Inc. http://www.cyberwar.com/~wjgrun/ (201) 703-1517 -The above does not necessarily coincide with the views of my employer- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 28 02:08:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA02906 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 02:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA02900 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 02:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA08556 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 02:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 02:07:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ISP Terminal Server Remote Site Requirements Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I was wondering what else would be needed to do a FreeBSD based terminal server that does it authenicitation with a actual FreeBSD based server over the network besides the following: 1) FreeBSD box with Cyclades Serial Ports and modems, will the box alone be able to support ISDN or USR X2 modems assuming I had a ISDN PRI coming in and will there be support for the PRI? I heard for X2 that more than the modems is needed but also their server is needed? 2) Daniel O'Callaghan's terminal server kit for FreeBSD 3) A router which I can use either a Cisco or ETinc's syncronous card on a FreeBSD box. Any help would be appreciated. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 28 04:45:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA10095 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from megazone.bigpanda.com (hac-nj2-09.ix.netcom.com [206.214.115.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA10090 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.bigpanda.com (localhost.bigpanda.com [127.0.0.1]) by megazone.bigpanda.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA21440; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704281144.HAA21440@megazone.bigpanda.com> X-Authentication-Warning: megazone.bigpanda.com: Host localhost.bigpanda.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Robert Morris cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CMD RAID arrays? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:11:21 EDT." <199704251911.PAA03972@www.viaweb.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:44:13 -0400 From: Richard Hwang Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Can you tell me whether any of the CMD RAID controllers actually work > with FreeBSD? This is with reference to your posting in February > describing their Daytona product. CMD's Daytona does indeed work with FreeBSD, since it is a SCSI-to-SCSI controller. The only FreeBSD issue you need to be aware of is that if you do decide to use partitions, you need to make a little change to the kernel to enable multiple LUN probing. This is because FreeBSD views partitions as being on separate LUNs. See http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook122.html#257 for more details on enabling multiple LUN probing. FYI, I didn't add the struct as suggested in the handbook. I just changed the line in /sys/scsi/scsiconf.c: maybe_more = 0; /* by default only check 1 lun */ to this: maybe_more = 1; /* by default check all luns (time for a coffee break!) */ Obviously, it will take longer to boot (and may not even work for you; YMMV), but that's ok with me, since it gives me the time I need to run out and find a decent cup of cappucino. Not bad for a single-character-change hack. :) --- Richard Hwang rhwang@bigpanda.com Big Panda House Consulting http://www.bigpanda.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 28 09:39:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA23358 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anna.cs.ru.lv (anna.cs.ru.lv [159.148.235.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23353 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from vic@localhost) by anna.cs.ru.lv (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA01603; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:39:01 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:38:44 +0300 (EET DST) From: Victor Meirans To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Script for sendmail logs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, It seems that I can not understand something.. How all normal ISPs know user's mail traffic?? Is there some special programm that does it? I am using FreeBSD 2.1.0-R, and yes, I will upgrade soon. I'm not a pro in perl, but there should be possibility to write a script that goes through maillog and does the thing... May be someone alredy have some script like that?? Thanks in advance... ---> Vic <--- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 28 11:31:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29793 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terminus.galaxia.com (root@terminus.galaxia.com [204.255.210.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29787 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by terminus.galaxia.com (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA06118 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:31:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "David H. Brierley" X-Sender: dave@terminus To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SMTP gateway clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > It's called ETRN. > > telnet to port 25 and enter the command > > > > ETRN domain.name > > QUIT > > but it only works with a fixed IP address for the relay. The original > question was how to use dynamic IP address for the relay. What I did was to write a short program that would modify the sendmail configuration files to reflect the "current" IP address for the domain. Create a special login/password combination which runs the program, have the program prompt for a domain name and a second password, query the system to find the IP address of the incoming connection, rewrite the files. When the customer then connects a few seconds later and gives the "ETRN" comand it will deliver the mail just fine. The biggest problem is making sure that the host at IP address x.y.z.z is still the same host 5 minutes later, otherwise you end up delivering the mail to the wrong machine. This is probably best handled by having the original program maintain some form of connection to the customers machine and reset the sendmail configuration files when the connection drops. Before anybody asks, I no longer work for the ISP that I did all of this for so I no longer have access to the code. On the other hand, if anybody wants to hire me to come up with a solution for them I am available at reasonable rates. -- David H. Brierley UNIX System Consultant dave@galaxia.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 28 12:35:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03496 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03473 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from luiz@localhost) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA03458; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:28:46 -0300 (EST) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:28:46 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz de Barros To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" cc: Stefan Molnar , Paulo Fragoso , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: loading balancing with pppd! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1365202684-862255726=:532" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1365202684-862255726=:532 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi All, We are having a few problems with mpd working with 2 links to the same place. With each of the links separately it works fine, with both, not. Could anybody send me an example of multi-linked ppp? Luiz On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Luiz de Barros wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > Would it work with 33.6 V.42 Links or are we going to have problems > > because o high channel latency ( delay )? > > I have a 3-channel and three 2-channel links using these modems. 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Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03673 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA02049 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from luiz@localhost) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA03554; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:34:21 -0300 (EST) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:34:20 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz de Barros To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" cc: Stefan Molnar , Paulo Fragoso , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: loading balancing with pppd! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I am having problems configuring MPD ( multi - Link PPP ). With each of the links separetely, it works fine, with two links, i could not put it to work. Does anybody have any FAQ or a few examples? Regards, Luiz On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Luiz de Barros wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > Would it work with 33.6 V.42 Links or are we going to have problems > > because o high channel latency ( delay )? > > I have a 3-channel and three 2-channel links using these modems. Works > great. > > Danny > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 28 20:15:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19681 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gonzo.tbf.net (gonzo.tbf.net [204.112.101.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19673 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atdot (dock06-31.ner.pangea.ca [207.161.114.47]) by gonzo.tbf.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA25858 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:16:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: by atdot with Microsoft Mail id <01BC5421.A800A600@atdot>; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:15:18 -0500 Message-ID: <01BC5421.A800A600@atdot> From: John Gunkel To: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: virtual hosts through gateway to dummy net device Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:14:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is it possible? My provider is suggesting that he would like my virtual host(s) on a different subnet that my machine's IP address. This would be no big problem, but then he also mentions that my machine would have to do some gatewaying. (My apologies for being so vague, he's no easy guy to get info from.) Anyway, I conjured up the idea of creating another dummy device to bind to the virtual host subnet, but get the response "no route to host" when I try to ping it. the device name is lo1, (the second loopback device: NOT 127.0.0.1) is configured in a similar way to lo0 except that it has the address 192.168.2.1 whereas ed0 has the address 192.168.1.1 and works beautifully. If someone can decipher this, or can point me to some resources it would be much apreciated. Thanks. John From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 28 20:43:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21183 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21176 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970116) with ESMTP id XAA15288; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (WEBSPN/970116) with ESMTP id XAA12339; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:42:13 -0400 (EDT) To: Steve cc: Matt Eagleson , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Help with INN In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 26 Apr 1997 00:18:50 EDT." Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:42:12 -0400 Message-ID: <12337.862285332@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Steve wrote in message ID : > > A need to renumber - which might be caused if you compiled using MMAP > which is broken. MMAP is *NOT* broken on 2.2-stable kernels... Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 28 20:45:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21346 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21331 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA00785; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:44:36 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:44:34 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: John Gunkel cc: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: virtual hosts through gateway to dummy net device In-Reply-To: <01BC5421.A800A600@atdot> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, John Gunkel wrote: > Is it possible? > > My provider is suggesting that he would like my virtual host(s) on a different > subnet that my machine's IP address. This would be no big problem, but > then he also mentions that my machine would have to do some gatewaying. > (My apologies for being so vague, he's no easy guy to get info from.) > > Anyway, I conjured up the idea of creating another dummy device to bind > to the virtual host subnet, but get the response "no route to host" when I try > to ping it. > > the device name is lo1, (the second loopback device: NOT 127.0.0.1) > is configured in a similar way to lo0 except that it has the address > 192.168.2.1 whereas ed0 has the address 192.168.1.1 and works > beautifully. Why use lo1? I use lo0 quite happily. # ifconfig lo0 127.0.0.1 # ifconfig lo0 192.168.1.1 netmask 0xffffffff alias .... # ifconfig lo0 192.168.1.254 netmask 0xffffffff alias # route add 192.168.1.0 127.0.0.1 On other machines, add a route to 192.168.1.0/24 via your machine's ethernet IP address. Of course, if you are using subnets, adjust the netmasks accordingly. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 28 22:11:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA25484 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (metriclient-13.uoregon.edu [128.223.172.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA25474 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA16097; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970428221039.48998@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:10:39 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: John Gunkel Cc: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: virtual hosts through gateway to dummy net device References: <01BC5421.A800A600@atdot> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <01BC5421.A800A600@atdot>; from John Gunkel on Mon, Apr 28, 1997 at 10:14:26PM -0500 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-960801-SNAP i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Gunkel scribbled this message on Apr 28: > Is it possible? > > My provider is suggesting that he would like my virtual host(s) on a different > subnet that my machine's IP address. This would be no big problem, but > then he also mentions that my machine would have to do some gatewaying. > (My apologies for being so vague, he's no easy guy to get info from.) in a way it is gatewaying... but it really isn't... it's just that they will simply have a route for the class c that points to your machine... that way the local ethernet does get swampped with packets for these hosts... > Anyway, I conjured up the idea of creating another dummy device to bind > to the virtual host subnet, but get the response "no route to host" when I try > to ping it. you don't need to do it.. just attach the aliases to the lo0 device... I have a notebook that has a 192.168.4.1 alias on lo0 so that it doesn't have to be net connected to get xdm to run... works perfectly fine with out the need for another loop back device... > the device name is lo1, (the second loopback device: NOT 127.0.0.1) > is configured in a similar way to lo0 except that it has the address > 192.168.2.1 whereas ed0 has the address 192.168.1.1 and works > beautifully. > > If someone can decipher this, or can point me to some resources > it would be much apreciated. all you do is alias the new class c subnet to the lo0 device... the routes should be automaticly added... so all you need to do is configure the hosting daemon and you should be off and running... hope this helps... ttyl.. -- John-Mark Cu Networking Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 28 22:31:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA26339 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from birdland.rhein-neckar.de (root@birdland.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.88.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26334; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bsd@localhost) by birdland.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id HAA24940; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:31:21 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:31:20 +0200 (MET DST) From: Martin Jangowski To: Gary Palmer cc: Steve , Matt Eagleson , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help with INN In-Reply-To: <12337.862285332@orion.webspan.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Gary Palmer wrote: > MMAP is *NOT* broken on 2.2-stable kernels... How about 2.1.7.1? I get _lots_ of symlink-errors... my history is fine, I renumber after every symlink-throttle, makehistory -bunv finds only bad expire-headers, I fscked every news-FS... I have no idea what to do now. INN 1.5.1 runs for 24h max. until throttling... Martin | Martin Jangowski E-Mail: maja@birdland.rhein-neckar.de | | Voice: +49 621/53 95 06 Fax: +49 621/53 95 07 | | Snail Mail: Koenigsbacher Str. 16 D-67067 Ludwigshafen Germany | | RNInet e.V. Rhein-Neckar Internet | From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 29 00:52:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA03025 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (labs.usn.blaze.net.au [203.17.53.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA03020 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.usn.blaze.net.au (local [127.0.0.1]) by labs.usn.blaze.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29666; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:52:08 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199704290752.RAA29666@labs.usn.blaze.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" cc: John Gunkel , "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: virtual hosts through gateway to dummy net device In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:44:34 +1000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:52:06 +1000 From: David Nugent Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > the device name is lo1, (the second loopback device: NOT 127.0.0.1) > > is configured in a similar way to lo0 except that it has the address > > 192.168.2.1 whereas ed0 has the address 192.168.1.1 and works > > beautifully. > > Why use lo1? I use lo0 quite happily. Yep, me too. > # ifconfig lo0 127.0.0.1 > > # ifconfig lo0 192.168.1.1 netmask 0xffffffff alias > .... > # ifconfig lo0 192.168.1.254 netmask 0xffffffff alias > > # route add 192.168.1.0 127.0.0.1 > > On other machines, add a route to 192.168.1.0/24 via your machine's > ethernet IP address. Of course, if you are using subnets, adjust the > netmasks accordingly. For subnets, you might run into a little difficulty. The 0xffffffff mask is "magic" for ip aliases. Using a different netmask may complicate the issue. It is probably necessary to establish permanant arp entries for the aliases. David Nugent - Unique Computing Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia Voice +61-3-9791-9547 Data/BBS +61-3-9792-3507 3:632/348@fidonet davidn@freebsd.org davidn@blaze.net.au http://www.blaze.net.au/~davidn/ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 29 01:04:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA03462 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 01:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA03456 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 01:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA01804; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:04:54 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:04:53 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: David Nugent cc: John Gunkel , "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: virtual hosts through gateway to dummy net device In-Reply-To: <199704290752.RAA29666@labs.usn.blaze.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, David Nugent wrote: > > # ifconfig lo0 192.168.1.1 netmask 0xffffffff alias > > .... > > # ifconfig lo0 192.168.1.254 netmask 0xffffffff alias > > > > # route add 192.168.1.0 127.0.0.1 > > > > On other machines, add a route to 192.168.1.0/24 via your machine's > > ethernet IP address. Of course, if you are using subnets, adjust the > > netmasks accordingly. > > For subnets, you might run into a little difficulty. The 0xffffffff > mask is "magic" for ip aliases. Using a different netmask may > complicate the issue. It is probably necessary to establish permanant > arp entries for the aliases. I should have clarified. The aliases are added as *host* aliases, always with mask 0xfffffff. The subnet route through lo0, or from other machines needs the correct mask for the subnet. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 29 03:25:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA09263 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 03:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA09258 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 03:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA15143; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:23:15 +0100 Message-ID: <3365CC12.695678E2@cablenet.net> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:23:14 +0100 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David H. Brierley" CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMTP gateway clients References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David H. Brierley wrote: > > > > It's called ETRN. > > > telnet to port 25 and enter the command > > > > > > ETRN domain.name > > > QUIT > > > > but it only works with a fixed IP address for the relay. The original > > question was how to use dynamic IP address for the relay. > > What I did was to write a short program that would modify the > sendmail configuration files to reflect the "current" IP address > for the domain. Create a special login/password combination which > runs the program, have the program prompt for a domain name and a > second password, query the system to find the IP address of the > incoming connection, rewrite the files. When the customer then > connects a few seconds later and gives the "ETRN" comand it will > deliver the mail just fine. The biggest problem is making sure > that the host at IP address x.y.z.z is still the same host 5 minutes > later, otherwise you end up delivering the mail to the wrong machine. > This is probably best handled by having the original program maintain > some form of connection to the customers machine and reset the > sendmail configuration files when the connection drops. > > Before anybody asks, I no longer work for the ISP that I did all > of this for so I no longer have access to the code. On the other > hand, if anybody wants to hire me to come up with a solution for > them I am available at reasonable rates. Or you can buy our ready made solution that has been working fine for the last two years. http://www.cablenet.net/cablenet/popinabox/license.html We have a number of components which work together to solve this problem; a dynamic DNS server. a special version of sendmail, tailored for dynamic IP. a process which moves email to user specific queues. regards damian -- * PIAB - PoP In A Box - the total solution for ISPs, with more features * than a Constable landscape, and very cheap too!! * http://www.cablenet.net/cablenet/popinabox/ * Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 29 04:51:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA11839 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 04:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA11834 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 04:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970116) with ESMTP id HAA04134; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (WEBSPN/970116) with ESMTP id HAA11796; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:50:03 -0400 (EDT) To: Martin Jangowski cc: Steve , Matt Eagleson , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Help with INN In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:31:20 +0200." Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:50:02 -0400 Message-ID: <11794.862314602@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Martin Jangowski wrote in message ID : > How about 2.1.7.1? I get _lots_ of symlink-errors... my history is fine, > I renumber after every symlink-throttle, makehistory -bunv finds only bad > expire-headers, I fscked every news-FS... Hrm. Not heard of that before. However, the MMAP in the kernel on 2.1.7 is decidely less usable from INN's POV. Upgrading to RELENG_2_2 using cvsup would be my advice... Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 29 05:51:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA14807 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 05:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA14799; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 05:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (shovey@buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11561; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:51:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve To: Gary Palmer cc: Matt Eagleson , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help with INN In-Reply-To: <12337.862285332@orion.webspan.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Gary Palmer wrote: > Steve wrote in message ID > : > > > > A need to renumber - which might be caused if you compiled using MMAP > > which is broken. > > MMAP is *NOT* broken on 2.2-stable kernels... Cool! Thats the first time Ive heard someone say that with conviction. i look forward to an upgrade! :) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 29 09:43:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA25117 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmccane.uit.net (bmccane.uit.net [208.129.189.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25106 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by bmccane.uit.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA11636; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:43:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:43:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Wm Brian McCane To: Michael Dillon cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How many customers read news (was Re: News...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Michael Dillon wrote: > On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Sysadmin wrote: > > > What country is this you live in? In the United States, we have civil > > liberty laws prohibiting such behaviour by law enforcement officials, > > of course I am not aware of the situation where you live, but I don't > > see why Usenet should be governed based on the activities of a police > > state where a distributor is treated as a publisher of information. > > In the United States it is illegal to distribute child pornography or > illegal copies of software. There are numerous cases where store owners or > BBS operators in the USA have been jailed for doing this. Now, is an ISP a > distributor and thus liable under the law? Or are they merely the operator > of a communications channel and therefore exempt from the law like telcos > and trucking companies. So far this has not been fully decided, but one > thing is for sure. USENET looks a lot more like distributing than beiong a > comm channel and that's where the danger lies. Noone can be sure how the > courts and the lawmakers will decide this one. But we can assess the risks > and since the penalties are pretty severe, I think it makes sense to be > conservative in assessing these risks. I don't want to see the entire > independent ISP industry wiped out because of a police sweep for child > pornography. And the danger of that is very real. There are rumblings and > rumors, some of which are coming from people who have contacts inside > various police forces. > > I can't be sure if the rumors are true and I am not a lawyer. But I think > it would be wise for every ISP to consult their own lawyers on this and to > make whatever moves they think are necessary to stay out of jail. I know a > lot of ISP's think it is a catch-22 situation because they wrongly believe > that removing any single USENET posting opens them up to charges, but > leaving it alone makes them somehow invincible. I don't believe either is > true. And since USENET is not intended to be a file transfer mechanism and > since the volume of files travelling through USENET is now creating > *OPERATIONAL* *DIFFICULTIES* for ISPs, I think it is a wise move to simply > get rid of all binary files period regardless of what newsgroup tag is on > them and regardless of what their actual or claimed content is. > > > I would think that the question is "is there a preponderance > > of actually illegal vs nude or other legitimate material". > > One single illegal image is enough to send you to jail. And I haven't even > said anything yet about the pirated software which may not send you to > jail but will cause a severe hit in the pocketbook. Do you really want the > SPA to become the country's largest ISP by virtue of forfeit? > > > As for the "drug dealer" junk, I don't understand. To try to fit > > reality into the analogy you make, If your whole business is sending > > packages, which you do not have the time to open or examine in detail, > > do you become liable if someone slips such a package in among the > > others? > > You are quite right. But USENET is not about delivering packages. With > USENET the packets stop at your news server. And the buck stops there as > well. If people can browse your news server looking for illegal porn > images to download then you have problems because now you are the content > provider every bit as much as the magazine store on the corner. How many > magazine stores carry child porn? Why don't they carry it? The sad fact of this matter, is that ALL adult bookstores have carried child porn. Until they found out. Consider just the two cases that I can think of off the top of my head. A????? Quinn and Tracy Lords. Both were underage, and making porn movies, as well as appearing in books and magazines. When the truth came out all of the adult book stores were required to remove all material from their premises with these "actresses" in them. I think most complied (probably creating a HUGE black market, but I digress). On the other hand, the government accepted them destroying the garbage when the facts came out, they did not bust the producers, take their sales records, bust the book stores, take their sales records and go to peoples homes to sieze the purchased materials. The book stores made a genuine effort to fix a bad situation when they were informed. Although this is only an assumption, would it be sufficient for ISP's to setup a channel to let each other know when and from whom they are receiving the illegal materials? This way the header information could be kept to assist law-enforcement officers if you are questioned, and the illegal material can be removed. There are 2 basic flaws with this however: 1) law varies from state to state, county to county and sometimes city to city. In some areas even a suggestion of bondage could be illegal (such as around here) but in others perfectly okay. 2) it relies on some random customer calling you and saying, "Hey get that picture of those children out of there!". Most of your customer would be too embarrassed to let you know unless it was in comp.lang.pascal. brian BTW> I know about these cases because I had a friend in college whose grand-father owns a chain of adult bookstores in my area. I remember him complaining about spending the entire weekend going through all the porn at the shop, to make sure there were no pictures of A?? Quinn. He said that he never wanted to see another naked woman as long as he lives ;). +-------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ He rides a cycle of mighty days, and \ Wm Brian and Lori McCane he represents the last great schizm \ McCane Consulting among the gods. Evil though he obviously \ root@bmccane.uit.net is, he is a mighty figure, this father of \ http://bmccane.uit.net/ my spirit, and I respect him as the sons \ http://bmccane.uit.net/~pictures/ of old did the fathers of their bodies. \ http://bmccane.uit.net/~bmccane/ Roger Zelazny - "Lord of Light" \ http://bmccane.uit.net/~bbs/ +---------------------------------------------+--------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 29 11:20:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00771 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00757 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sderdau@localhost) by user.xtdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA20426; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:29:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:29:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen A. Derdau" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: MX records Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Asking a question first time. Not sure if addressing the correct group. Anyways brief discription of situation. My network administrator has left . We did not get any documentation as to how the system is laid etc. I myself am not a network adminis trator but am finding myself having to learn things pretty quickly. My question deals with email to a domain that we do virtual hosting for. We have the domain name pointing to us however the email part of this will be pointing do another server at another company. If someone could tell me what files I should look into to point any emails that may come to this domain to the proper servers? The person asking me to change this gave me two domains and ip numbers to where the info should be forwarded to. WE are running Freebsd doing uname -v I get. FreeBsd 2.1.0-Release # 0.....which may of had modifications to it from the last administrator regarding updates. Well here it goes. Thank You Stephen A. Derdau XTDL inc 603 4714700 Whew what a week or two! Anyone know what happened? The month of April has been way too much for me.:) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 29 12:38:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04938 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (ppp010-sm2.sirius.com [205.134.231.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04928 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA12683; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Josef Grosch Message-Id: <199704291937.MAA12683@superior.mooseriver.com> Subject: Re: MX records In-Reply-To: from "Stephen A. Derdau" at "Apr 29, 97 02:29:10 pm" To: sderdau@xtdl.com (Stephen A. Derdau) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Reply-To: jgrosch@sirius.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stephen A. Derdau said: >Asking a question first time. Not sure if addressing the correct group. >Anyways brief discription of situation. >My network administrator has left . We did not get any documentation >as to how the system is laid etc. I myself am not a network adminis >trator but am finding myself having to learn things pretty quickly. > >My question deals with email to a domain that we do virtual hosting for. >We have the domain name pointing to us however the email part of this >will be pointing do another server at another company. > >If someone could tell me what files I should look into to point any emails >that may come to this domain to the proper servers? > >The person asking me to change this gave me two domains and ip numbers >to where the info should be forwarded to. > >WE are running Freebsd doing uname -v I get. > >FreeBsd 2.1.0-Release # 0.....which may of had modifications to it > from the last administrator regarding updates. > >Well here it goes. > You're best bet is to get DNS and BIND by Paul Albitz & Cricket Liu. It is published by O'Reilly & Associates, Inc. ISBN 1-56592-236-0. Make sure you get the 2nd edition. It should set you back about $35.00. Read the first 4 chapters and look at chapter 5 for a discussion on MX records. Good luck Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.1 jgrosch@sirius.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 29 15:51:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA15828 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (cedb.DPCSYS.com [209.25.4.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15821 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id WAA14411; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:51:28 GMT Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:51:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Busarow To: "Stephen A. Derdau" cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MX records In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Stephen A. Derdau wrote: > My question deals with email to a domain that we do virtual hosting for. > We have the domain name pointing to us however the email part of this > will be pointing do another server at another company. In the /etc/namedb/db.domain zone file for this domain, add/change the MX records domain.com. IN A your.ip.address.for.the.website IN MX 10 the.fqdn.they.gave.you. IN MX 20 the.other.fqdn.they.gave.you. repeat for www.domain.com NB. the dots at the end of domain.com. and the domains on the MX lines are important. Make sure you include them. And make sure you increase the serial number in the SOA record. Also, take Josef's advice and get DNS and BIND. If you are taking over DNS you'll need it, very well written (like all ORA books). Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 29 16:18:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17216 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17211 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA04511 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA05340; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:17:46 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:17:45 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: "Stephen A. Derdau" cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MX records In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Stephen A. Derdau wrote: > My question deals with email to a domain that we do virtual hosting for. > We have the domain name pointing to us however the email part of this > will be pointing do another server at another company. > > If someone could tell me what files I should look into to point any emails > that may come to this domain to the proper servers? > > The person asking me to change this gave me two domains and ip numbers > to where the info should be forwarded to. For customer.com ---------------- @ IN SOA .... ( ... ) IN MX 10 mx1.othersite.com. IN MX 20 mx2.othersite.com. IN MX 100 mail.othersitesprovider.net. * IN MX 10 mx1.othersite.com. IN MX 20 mx2.othersite.com. IN MX 100 mail.othersitesprovider.net. www IN A 1.2.3.4 ------------------ Since you don't want to handle the mail yourself, you should just point it at the remote system which handles it, but check (test?) that the remote system really *does* handle the mail, and does not return it with 'local configuration error - mail loops back to me'. The MX records define the names of the machines which handle the mail for the domain, and those machines can be any machine on the Internet, not just those which are under your control. This has nothing at all to do with FreeBSD, by the way, it has to do with BIND, which is run on virtually all Unix systems which server DNS. > WE are running Freebsd doing uname -v I get. > FreeBsd 2.1.0-Release # 0.....which may of had modifications to it > from the last administrator regarding updates. You really should upgrade to 2.1.7.1 as soon as you can, but by the same token, you'll probably want to get used to the system a bit more first. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 29 16:48:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA18440 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA18405 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sderdau@localhost) by user.xtdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA28996; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:57:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:57:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen A. Derdau" To: Dan Busarow cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MX records Thanks it worked. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks.....You people are great. If ever I can contribute in anyway I will never hesitate. I have the book . It's at home. However, starting today it will be with me at all times. I actually used it to set up DNS on my home system. To my amazement it worked. Must have been the good instructions. Like the instructions you all have given to me today. I had asked to get this done awhile ago. However due to the situation with the network administrator leaving. I had to get it done. The customer had asked repeatedly to get it done. Well now it is. Thanks again. You have helped me out in Stephen A. Derdau XTDL inc 603 4714700 Whew what a week or two! Anyone know what happened? The month of April has been way too much for me.:) On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Dan Busarow wrote: > On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Stephen A. Derdau wrote: > > My question deals with email to a domain that we do virtual hosting for. > > We have the domain name pointing to us however the email part of this > > will be pointing do another server at another company. > > In the /etc/namedb/db.domain zone file for this domain, add/change > the MX records > > domain.com. IN A your.ip.address.for.the.website > IN MX 10 the.fqdn.they.gave.you. > IN MX 20 the.other.fqdn.they.gave.you. > > repeat for www.domain.com > > NB. the dots at the end of domain.com. and the domains on the > MX lines are important. Make sure you include them. > > And make sure you increase the serial number in the SOA record. > > Also, take Josef's advice and get DNS and BIND. If you are > taking over DNS you'll need it, very well written (like all > ORA books). > > Dan > -- > Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 > DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com > Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 > > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 29 23:44:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA09989 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA09982 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id BAA11443; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:45:47 -0500 Received: from p75.mixcom.com(198.137.186.25) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma011435; Wed Apr 30 01:45:37 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970430014623.00b4e3a0@mixcom.com> X-Sender: sysop@mixcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:46:24 -0500 To: Dan Busarow From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: MX records Cc: "Stephen A. Derdau" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 03:51 PM 4/29/97 -0700, Dan Busarow wrote: >In the /etc/namedb/db.domain zone file for this domain, add/change >the MX records > >domain.com. IN A your.ip.address.for.the.website > IN MX 10 the.fqdn.they.gave.you. > IN MX 20 the.other.fqdn.they.gave.you. > >repeat for www.domain.com This is one you may wish to think about, as a lot of junk mail is sent to www. and is another reason why I block port 25 to all web servers. >NB. the dots at the end of domain.com. and the domains on the >MX lines are important. Make sure you include them. Awww, but it make DNS so "interesting" without them. >And make sure you increase the serial number in the SOA record. > >Also, take Josef's advice and get DNS and BIND. If you are >taking over DNS you'll need it, very well written (like all >ORA books). I'll 3rd the first and 2nd the second. 8-) ------------------------------------------- Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator jeff@mixcom.net MIX Communications Serving the Internet since 1990 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 30 06:24:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA25897 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 06:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [207.239.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA25892; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 06:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (fbsdlist@localhost) by federation.addy.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA00934; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:24:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Cliff Addy To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: quotas on mail directories Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I can't seem to make sendmail pay attention to quotas on the /var filesystem. I've set up 1M soft and 10M hard limits, yet mail to an account that is over the hard limit still gets delivered. I know sendmail is supposed to reject the message if the entire filesystem is too full, but how do you make it do the same if the quota is exceeded? From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 30 08:24:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA01526 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (root@rainey.blueneptune.com [207.104.147.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA01520 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:24:38 -0700 (PDT) From: michael@blueneptune.com Received: (from michael@localhost) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA14997 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:27:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199704301527.IAA14997@rainey.blueneptune.com> Subject: Re: MX records To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:27:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970430014623.00b4e3a0@mixcom.com> from "Jeffrey J. Mountin" at Apr 30, 97 01:46:24 am Reply-To: michael@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >domain.com. IN A your.ip.address.for.the.website > > IN MX 10 the.fqdn.they.gave.you. > > IN MX 20 the.other.fqdn.they.gave.you. > > > >repeat for www.domain.com > > This is one you may wish to think about, as a lot of junk mail is sent to > www. and is another reason why I block port 25 to all web > servers. Granted that junk mail is sent to www.whatever.domain, but it is also an address where a lot of people expect to be able to send mail regarding the web site, and some domain holders want this. Definitely a decision that should be left to the customer. Blocking port 25 for the web server address is a good idea just in general, especially if you're running virtual domains. If you have MX records for the domain, no properly behaving mailer should be contacting port 25 at the address anyway, but it is prudent to have the firewall block it, in case somebody is ignoring MX records, or to block any intentional abuse. > >Also, take Josef's advice and get DNS and BIND. If you are > >taking over DNS you'll need it, very well written (like all > >ORA books). > > I'll 3rd the first and 2nd the second. 8-) What he said. :-) The O'Reilly section of my bookshelf is getting rather large these days... and it's probably the shelf I visit the most! -- Michael Bryan michael@blueneptune.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 30 11:13:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA08552 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.PII.COM (pii.com [192.77.209.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA08547 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PII.COM by PII.COM (4.1/SMI-4.4) id AA13456; Wed, 30 Apr 97 11:15:56 PDT Received: from PII-Message_Server by pii.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:13:34 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:12:11 -0700 From: Robert Clark To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Router statistics -Reply Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The 100B is designed so that they nest closely together, while being manufactured. Like an Escher print. [RC] >>> dennis 04/26/97 06:55pm >>> At 05:44 PM 4/26/97 -0700, Alan Batie wrote: >> I did notice that its a rather long card, which may be an issue..... > >Then it wasn't a Pro/100B --- it's so short they had to put a little tail >on it for some of the PCI fingers. Ah, yes....I was going to ask about that next....obviously they went to a single chip solutions....excellent! Dennis > >-- >Alan Batie ______ It's not my fault! It's some guy >batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / named "General Protection"! >+1 503 452-0960 \ / --Ratbert >PGP FP: DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 \/ 7A 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 > >It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which >use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. > > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 30 11:23:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09140 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09135 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marlin.com.br by agora.rdrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0wMe1c-0009EKC; Wed, 30 Apr 97 11:22 PDT Received: by marlin.com.br (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id PAA09411; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:12:38 -0300 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:12:37 -0300 (EST) From: "Pedro Fernando M. Pinheiro" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: program Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I have 2 questions, 1) i want a name of a backup program for freeBSD and where can i find. 2) anybody knows if exists a program for see how much bandwhidth is in use ???? or a program for see how much load is my serial interface Thanks a lot Pedro +---------------------------------------------------------+ | Pedro Fernando M. Pinheiro pedrof@marlin.com.br | | Tel: +55 21 390-7132 Tecnico Suporte Marlin | +---------------------------------------------------------+ | Marlin ISP suporte@marlin.com.br | | R. 7 de Setembro, 48/13 andar http://www.marlin.com.br | | Rio de Janeiro - RJ - Brasil Tel: 203-1326 | +---------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 30 14:36:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19179 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19136; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [207.239.68.2]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA07688 ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (fbsdlist@localhost) by federation.addy.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA16701; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:10:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Cliff Addy To: Andrew cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: quotas on mail directories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Andrew wrote: > > I can't seem to make sendmail pay attention to quotas on the /var > > filesystem. I've set up 1M soft and 10M hard limits, yet mail to an > > account that is over the hard limit still gets delivered. I know sendmail > > is supposed to reject the message if the entire filesystem is too full, > > but how do you make it do the same if the quota is exceeded? > > sendmail delivers its mail as root so the quota dosnt get noticed. Change > your local mailer to procmail or something - that works... I changed sendmail.cf to use procmail, e.g. Mlocal, P=/usr/local/bin/procmail, F=lsDFMrmn, S=10, R=20/40, A=mail -d $u This now checks the quota if the mail is sent from inside the machine, but still writes if the smtp connection comes from the outside world. Is there something else I need to do? From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 30 14:42:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19561 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from narcissus.ml.org (root@brosenga.Pitzer.edu [134.173.120.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19556 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (fullermd@localhost) by narcissus.ml.org (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA25258; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:41:40 -0700 (PDT) From: The Devil Himself To: "Pedro Fernando M. Pinheiro" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: program In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Pedro Fernando M. Pinheiro wrote: > Hi all, > > I have 2 questions, > > 1) i want a name of a backup program for freeBSD and where can i find. dump. tar. In the base OS distrib, AFAIK. > 2) anybody knows if exists a program for see how much bandwhidth is in > use ???? or a program for see how much load is my serial interface Maybe some switch on pstat...? > > Thanks a lot > > Pedro > > > > +---------------------------------------------------------+ > | Pedro Fernando M. Pinheiro pedrof@marlin.com.br | > | Tel: +55 21 390-7132 Tecnico Suporte Marlin | > +---------------------------------------------------------+ > | Marlin ISP suporte@marlin.com.br | > | R. 7 de Setembro, 48/13 andar http://www.marlin.com.br | > | Rio de Janeiro - RJ - Brasil Tel: 203-1326 | > +---------------------------------------------------------+ Hope it helps!! *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* |FreeBSD is good. FreeBSD is our friend. UNIX is our god.| *Micro$oft is bad. Micro$oft causes problems.* |MicroBSD??? I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!| |"I hate quotes in signature files" :-} MAtthew Fuller| *fullermd@narcissus.ml.org FreeBSD junkie* |http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd Westminster College| *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 30 19:13:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA28602 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from surf.pangea.ca (root@surf.pangea.ca [204.112.101.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28581 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from surf.pangea.ca (tyrelb@surf.pangea.ca [204.112.101.109]) by surf.pangea.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA23526 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:11:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:11:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Tyrel Burton To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: offtopic: graphic programs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is a little off topic, so I'll make it short. Does anyone know of a good graphics program for FreeBSD? Thanks, ----- Tyrel Burton tyrelb@pangea.ca "I love California; I practically grew up in Phoenix" - Dan Quayle From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 30 19:28:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA29132 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA29126 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linkou.trace.com.tw by agora.rdrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0wMlbI-0009HLC; Wed, 30 Apr 97 19:28 PDT Received: from gate.trace.com.tw (ronald@gate.trace.com.tw [203.67.189.10]) by linkou.trace.com.tw (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA16898 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:10:41 +0800 Message-Id: <199705010210.KAA16898@linkou.trace.com.tw> From: "Ronald Wiplinger" To: "freebsd-isp" Date: Thu, 01 May 97 10:10:41 +0800 Reply-To: "Ronald Wiplinger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Fwd: Re: ET5025 to FreeBSD switched Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hopefully somebody has an idea what is going on here ;-) I use a router card from ET. It worked very well under Linux. I witched it to FreeBSD, because it should get it's own machine, and because Dennis recomended for a better performance FreeBSD rather than Linux. I swapped the cards, compiled, .... it seems to work, all dialup user can go out through the router card, .... Next day when my staff came, noone on the Lan can go out. And here we are since more than one week. Attached is the last message I exchanged with Dennis. At 02:28 AM 5/1/97 +0800, you wrote: >Dennis, > >I have no idea, why we still have problems with our LAN. We can reach any machine in our network, we >can ping any machine outside of our LAN, ... look at the output of one Win95 machine: The routing is no different than with any other unix system....i'm afraid I cant debug your routing for you. I would suggest that you try to figure out whats happening to the packets with the debugger or other means (like l2stats and netstat -p ip) Dennis > > >C:\WIN95\Desktop>netstat -r > >Route Table > >Active Routes: > > Network Address Netmask Gateway Address Interface Metric > 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 203.67.189.254 203.67.189.12 1 > 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1 > 203.67.189.0 255.255.255.0 203.67.189.12 203.67.189.12 1 > 203.67.189.12 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1 > 203.67.189.255 255.255.255.255 203.67.189.12 203.67.189.12 1 > 224.0.0.0 224.0.0.0 203.67.189.12 203.67.189.12 1 > 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 203.67.189.12 203.67.189.12 1 > >Active Connections > > Proto Local Address Foreign Address State > TCP win95:1033 w3.hinet.net:80 ESTABLISHED > > >As you can see, it establishes the connection, but no data are comming. > > >On the same LAN, I have other machines, like OS/2, Linux, but they do not have problems. Here one >output from the OS/2 machine: > > >[C:\]netstat -r > > destination router netmask refcnt use flags snmp intrf > metric > default 203.67.189.254 0.0.0.0 1 3166 UG 0 lan0 > 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 1 8 UH 0 lo > 203.67.189.0 203.67.189.10 255.255.255.0 0 0 U 0 lan0 > 203.67.189.1 203.67.189.10 255.255.255.255 9 691 UH 0 lan0 > 203.67.189.10 203.67.189.10 255.255.255.255 2 20 UH 0 lan0 > 203.67.189.108 203.67.189.10 255.255.255.255 0 4 UH 0 lan0 > 203.67.189.116 203.67.189.10 255.255.255.255 0 4 UH 0 lan0 > 203.67.189.124 203.67.189.10 255.255.255.255 0 5 UH 0 lan0 > 203.67.189.254 203.67.189.10 255.255.255.255 1 5 UH 0 lan0 > >Here it is much better. I cannot finish this full packed page, but at least I get 99%. > >Do you have any ideas? > .... for more information use: * http://www.trace.com.tw * gopher://gopher.trace.com.tw * ftp://ftp.trace.com.tw * telnet://bbs.trace.com.tw * sticky: Ronald gate.trace.com.tw (the very fast way to reach me) * for talk, InterCom (picture phone) ronald@gate.trace.com.tw * Tel: +886 2 609-0652, Fax: +886 2 600-0132, NET: +886 2 600-2318 Ronald Wiplinger [Taipei, 24h online] From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 30 22:04:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA09412 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from house.key.net.au (root@house.key.net.au [203.35.4.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09402; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by house.key.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA20034; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:03:03 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 15:03:03 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew To: Cliff Addy cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: quotas on mail directories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Cliff Addy wrote: > I changed sendmail.cf to use procmail, e.g. > > Mlocal, P=/usr/local/bin/procmail, F=lsDFMrmn, S=10, R=20/40, > A=mail -d $u I have: Mlocal, P=/usr/local/bin/procmail, F=SAw5:|/@glDFMPhsfn, S=10/30, R=20/4 0, A=procmail -Y -a $h -d $u > This now checks the quota if the mail is sent from inside the machine, but > still writes if the smtp connection comes from the outside world. Is > there something else I need to do? My line works for me...I'll sedn you the message you get if you send mail to a person who is over quota seperately. Andrew From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 1 04:36:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA18467 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 04:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA18444 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 04:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id EAA11583 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 04:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id GAA13626; Thu, 1 May 1997 06:10:03 -0500 Received: from p75.mixcom.com(198.137.186.25) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma013580; Thu May 1 06:10:00 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970501061018.006e6f9c@mixcom.com> X-Sender: sysop@mixcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 06:10:19 -0500 To: michael@blueneptune.com From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: MX records Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 08:27 AM 4/30/97 -0700, michael@blueneptune.com wrote: >Granted that junk mail is sent to www.whatever.domain, but it is also >an address where a lot of people expect to be able to send mail regarding >the web site, and some domain holders want this. Definitely a decision >that should be left to the customer. As some leaks through, most is junk. People that mail regarding the website usually use the "mailto" at the bottom of the page. The customer is told what/why/how of mail. >Blocking port 25 for the web server address is a good idea just in general, >especially if you're running virtual domains. If you have MX records for >the domain, no properly behaving mailer should be contacting port 25 at >the address anyway, but it is prudent to have the firewall block it, in case >somebody is ignoring MX records, or to block any intentional abuse. Bingo! Mail *will* come in to systems that I *want* handling mail. >What he said. :-) The O'Reilly section of my bookshelf is getting >rather large these days... and it's probably the shelf I visit the >most! Truely! Plenty of new editions and outright new titles this year. ------------------------------------------- Jeff Mountin - System/Network Administrator jeff@mixcom.net MIX Communications Serving the Internet since 1990 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 1 04:36:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA18476 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 04:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA18440 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 04:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from foo.primenet.com (ip211.sjc.primenet.com [206.165.96.211]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id EAA11571 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 04:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bkogawa@localhost) by foo.primenet.com (8.8.2/8.6.12) id EAA12452; Thu, 1 May 1997 04:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 04:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705011110.EAA12452@foo.primenet.com> To: tyrelb@surf.pangea.ca Subject: Re: offtopic: graphic programs Newsgroups: localhost.freebsd.isp References: From: "Bryan K. Ogawa" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In localhost.freebsd.isp you write: >This is a little off topic, so I'll make it short. Does anyone know of a >good graphics program for FreeBSD? Depends on what you're doing. If you're looking for image manipulation a la Photoshop, The GIMP is quite impressive. ftp://ftp.xcf.berkeley.edu/pub/gimp If you are willing to sacrifice a hundred or two megs of disk space, and some time, I suggest going into the developer's directory and grabbing the 0.99 betas. The new versions have some very impressive new features (most notably layers) which the 0.5x series lacks, and it compiles correctly on FreeBSD (shared library compilation doesn't work right for me, though). Unfortunately, all of those statically linked binaries are huge. If you're just looking to compile, and you don't have space, compile, then when you get disk space errors, go into the plugins directory and strip all of the executables you find. Repeat until compilation finishes. You'll still need 50+ megs to compile, but... -- bryan k ogawa http://www.primenet.com/~bkogawa/ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 1 10:53:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05846 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05840 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 10:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA08128; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 13:52:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Bradley Dunn X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net To: Ronald Wiplinger cc: freebsd-isp Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: ET5025 to FreeBSD switched In-Reply-To: <199705010210.KAA16898@linkou.trace.com.tw> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Ronald Wiplinger wrote: > I use a router card from ET. It worked very well under Linux. I witched it to FreeBSD, because it should > get it's own machine, and because Dennis recomended for a better performance FreeBSD rather than > Linux. > Next day when my staff came, noone on the Lan can go out. And here we are since more than one > week. Try turning off TCP extensions in either /etc/sysconfig or /etc/rc.conf (whichever one you have) on the router. pbd -- Why can't you be a non-conformist like everyone else? From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 1 11:31:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA08350 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [207.239.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08342; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (fbsdlist@localhost) by federation.addy.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA14661; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 14:31:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Cliff Addy To: Andrew cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: quotas on mail directories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Andrew wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Cliff Addy wrote: > > > I changed sendmail.cf to use procmail, e.g. > > > > Mlocal, P=/usr/local/bin/procmail, F=lsDFMrmn, S=10, R=20/40, > > A=mail -d $u > > I have: > > Mlocal, P=/usr/local/bin/procmail, F=SAw5:|/@glDFMPhsfn, S=10/30, > R=20/4 > 0, > A=procmail -Y -a $h -d $u I dropped this line into sendmail.cf and still no joy. If I use pine on the same system, it bounces back just fine. But if I connect from the outside or use "sendmail accountname < mailtext" it goes right through. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 1 12:22:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA11055 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vic.cioe.com (ns1.cioe.com [204.120.165.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11044 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by vic.cioe.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA16165 for freebsd-isp@hub.freebsd.org; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:22:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 14:22:11 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Ames Message-Id: <199705011922.OAA16165@vic.cioe.com> To: freebsd-isp@hub.freebsd.org Subject: radius accounting parser Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone put together a quick parser to go through the details file that radius produces and generate reports? Anyone got a pointer to such a beastie that I could snag? -Steve From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 1 13:01:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12672 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sand.sentex.ca (sand.sentex.ca [206.222.77.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12662 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gravel (gravel.sentex.ca [205.211.165.210]) by sand.sentex.ca (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA05811; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970501160541.00be19b0@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:05:41 -0400 To: Steve Ames , freebsd-isp@hub.freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: radius accounting parser In-Reply-To: <199705011922.OAA16165@vic.cioe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 02:22 PM 5/01/97 -0500, Steve Ames wrote: > >Has anyone put together a quick parser to go through the details >file that radius produces and generate reports? > >Anyone got a pointer to such a beastie that I could snag? Check out the livingston links page (off www.livingston.com)... there are all sorts of useful links there including different parsers... ---Mike ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatra (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 1 13:06:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA13191 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smokey.prismnet.com (root@smokey.prismnet.com [205.166.246.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13186 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from greg@localhost) by smokey.prismnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18272; Thu, 1 May 1997 15:06:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Greg Stringfellow Message-Id: <199705012006.PAA18272@smokey.prismnet.com> Subject: Re: radius accounting parser In-Reply-To: <199705011922.OAA16165@vic.cioe.com> from Steve Ames at "May 1, 97 02:22:11 pm" To: steve@vic.cioe.com (Steve Ames) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 15:06:44 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@hub.freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Steve Ames said: > Has anyone put together a quick parser to go through the details > file that radius produces and generate reports? > > Anyone got a pointer to such a beastie that I could snag? Take a look at ftp.livingston.com in the directory /pub/le/contrib . There used to be quite a few programs to parse the radacct file. Greg -- Greg Stringfellow PrismNet, Inc. - Austin, TX USA Network Administration WWW Pages, ISDN, Telnet, Dialup Accounts HTTP://www.prismnet.com Phone: (512)-418-1568 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 1 14:18:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17806 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from absinthe.i3inc.com (Absinthe.stonos.washington.dc.us [206.27.237.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17785 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by absinthe.i3inc.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id RAA16535; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705012115.RAA16535@absinthe.i3inc.com> X-Authentication-Warning: absinthe.i3inc.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: steve@vic.cioe.com Cc: freebsd-isp@hub.freebsd.org Subject: Re: radius accounting parser In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 1 May 1997 14:22:11 -0500 (EST)" References: <199705011922.OAA16165@vic.cioe.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.03 on Emacs 19.34.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 17:15:58 -0400 From: Chris Shenton Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have one which I wrote for Livingston's RADIUS, then modified for Ascend's log formats; I haven't gotten around backporting it to Livingston's format or the new 2.0 format :-( It does a bunch of different types of reports and we use it at hq.nasa.gov. It's Perl. See http://www.it.hq.nasa.gov/~cshenton/radacct From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 2 11:23:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14390 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 11:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14165 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 11:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from luiz@localhost) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA16868; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:17:58 -0300 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 15:17:58 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz de Barros To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Need Advice on Multilink PPP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi All, I need some advice on Multilink PPP ( MPD ) for FreeBSD. We are in serious trouble configuring it to work with load balancing in our two 33.6Kbps links. I could not yet figure out how to configure MPD to use the two links. Does anybody have a recipe of what i have to do or a few examples of multiple links? Do i need to have MPD on both sides of the connection? Thanks in advande, Luiz de Barros Nlink ISP From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 2 13:19:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA20509 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veda.is (ubiq.veda.is [193.4.230.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20503 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adam@localhost) by veda.is (8.8.5/8.7.3) id UAA02024; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:37:55 GMT Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 20:37:55 GMT From: Adam David Message-Id: <199705022037.UAA02024@veda.is> To: vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM (Vincent Poy) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP Terminal Server Remote Site Requirements References: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I was wondering what else would be needed to do a FreeBSD based >terminal server that does it authenicitation with a actual FreeBSD based >server over the network besides the following: >1) FreeBSD box with Cyclades Serial Ports and modems, will the box alone > be able to support ISDN or USR X2 modems assuming I had a ISDN PRI > coming in and will there be support for the PRI? I heard for X2 that > more than the modems is needed but also their server is needed? X2 will work on any digital line, ISDN lines are digital lines that also support ISDN. Perhaps all digital lines support ISDN with your telco. Any modem server can be used for X2 since the modems don't care whether the incoming connection is analog or digital (i.e. the modems look like "fast modems"), but to get the most out of it you will need the new Z series serial ports (to get compression bandwidth). Unfortunately there is no FreeBSD driver available for them yet. Therefore, some legwork or brainwork will be necessary to get Z-ports to work. On the other hand, how far away are we from using Linux drivers with FreeBSD? That would be awesome! :) Another question though. Can X2 modems accept 56k connections from Rockwell and Motorola (assuming them to be the 3rd player) modems? >2) Daniel O'Callaghan's terminal server kit for FreeBSD With Radius support in the works. Daniel, in case you're listening, I'm interested in helping with this. >3) A router which I can use either a Cisco or ETinc's syncronous card > on a FreeBSD box. The ETinc card looks like the only serious high speed sync solution. Of course, you don't need this for a normal dialin terminal-server. Unless... How about a 2Mb/s connection from the telco (primary rate ISDN) with channel differentiation and modems implemented solely in software (on some custom hardware card maybe)? Might this be possible or even feasible, now or later? -- Adam David From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 2 13:30:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA21202 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veda.is (ubiq.veda.is [193.4.230.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21195 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adam@localhost) by veda.is (8.8.5/8.7.3) id UAA02070; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:49:05 GMT Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 20:49:05 GMT From: Adam David Message-Id: <199705022049.UAA02070@veda.is> To: laskavy@cs.msu.SU (Sergei S. Laskavy) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Configuring FreeBSD to act as a PPP server. References: <199704281222.QAA19479@ns.cs.msu.su> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >BTW, can I tell "pppd" to deny users like "root", "toor", "bin", "ppp" ? This is worthwhile, I believe it has been added recently. Of course, you would normally also want to use different boxes for the dialin and shell servers. -- Adam David From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 2 13:34:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA21432 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21425 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id GAA04051; Sat, 3 May 1997 06:32:48 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 06:32:47 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Luiz de Barros cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need Advice on Multilink PPP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 May 1997, Luiz de Barros wrote: > I need some advice on Multilink PPP ( MPD ) for FreeBSD. > We are in serious trouble configuring it to work with load balancing in > our two 33.6Kbps links. I could not yet figure out how to configure MPD > to use the two links. > Does anybody have a recipe of what i have to do or a few examples of > multiple links? Do i need to have MPD on both sides of the connection? You *must* have mpd on both sides of the connection. One is set for dialin and one is set for dialout. Which one are you missing? Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 2 14:02:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA23053 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sand.sentex.ca (sand.sentex.ca [206.222.77.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23042 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gravel (gravel.sentex.ca [205.211.165.210]) by sand.sentex.ca (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA00756 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 17:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970502170637.025af280@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 17:06:37 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: ISP Terminal Server Remote Site Requirements In-Reply-To: <199705022037.UAA02024@veda.is> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>1) FreeBSD box with Cyclades Serial Ports and modems, will the box alone >> be able to support ISDN or USR X2 modems assuming I had a ISDN PRI >> coming in and will there be support for the PRI? I heard for X2 that >> more than the modems is needed but also their server is needed? > >X2 will work on any digital line, ISDN lines are digital lines that also >support ISDN. Perhaps all digital lines support ISDN with your telco. >Any modem server can be used for X2 since the modems don't care whether >the incoming connection is analog or digital (i.e. the modems look like >"fast modems"), but to get the most out of it you will need the new Z series >serial ports (to get compression bandwidth). Unfortunately there is no >FreeBSD driver available for them yet. Therefore, some legwork or brainwork >will be necessary to get Z-ports to work. On the other hand, how far away >are we from using Linux drivers with FreeBSD? That would be awesome! :) > >Another question though. Can X2 modems accept 56k connections from Rockwell >and Motorola (assuming them to be the 3rd player) modems? I believe the only way to be able to handle X2 is with the USR Total Control RACK... They have not licensed their code to anyone else... The way the X2 and K.Flex standards work (which are not at all interoperable), is that the receving end of the call must be some PRI type solution... For the technologies to work, there must only be ONE analog to digital conversion in the virtual circut between ends...i.e. an X2 home cant dial another X2 home and get 53K.... ---Mike ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatra (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 2 14:06:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA23266 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23261 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id HAA04227; Sat, 3 May 1997 07:06:12 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 07:06:12 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Adam David cc: "Sergei S. Laskavy" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Configuring FreeBSD to act as a PPP server. In-Reply-To: <199705022049.UAA02070@veda.is> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 May 1997, Adam David wrote: > >BTW, can I tell "pppd" to deny users like "root", "toor", "bin", "ppp" ? > > This is worthwhile, I believe it has been added recently. It is in pppd in -current as /etc/ppp/ppp.deny. It is in ftp.hilink.com.au:/pub/FreeBSD/pppkit.tgz as ppp.disabled. I'll be committing it to 2.2-RELENG RSN. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 2 14:28:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA24215 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smokey.prismnet.com (root@smokey.prismnet.com [205.166.246.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24210 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from greg@localhost) by smokey.prismnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA22402; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:28:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Greg Stringfellow Message-Id: <199705022128.QAA22402@smokey.prismnet.com> Subject: Re: ISP Terminal Server Remote Site Requirements In-Reply-To: <199705022037.UAA02024@veda.is> from Adam David at "May 2, 97 08:37:55 pm" To: adam@veda.is (Adam David) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 16:28:28 -0500 (CDT) Cc: vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Adam David said: > X2 will work on any digital line, ISDN lines are digital lines that also > support ISDN. Perhaps all digital lines support ISDN with your telco. > Any modem server can be used for X2 since the modems don't care whether > the incoming connection is analog or digital (i.e. the modems look like > "fast modems"), but to get the most out of it you will need the new Z series > serial ports (to get compression bandwidth). Unfortunately there is no > FreeBSD driver available for them yet. Therefore, some legwork or brainwork > will be necessary to get Z-ports to work. On the other hand, how far away > are we from using Linux drivers with FreeBSD? That would be awesome! :) Probably the easiest way I have seen to do X2 is to purchase a USR Total Control 8/I (I think that's the model #). It allows 8 BRIs in and has 8 DB25 outputs. They might have a PRI version, or at least one in the works. I don't use USR TC gear, so I really don't keep up with it. > Another question though. Can X2 modems accept 56k connections from Rockwell > and Motorola (assuming them to be the 3rd player) modems? No. No standard has really been set yet on a 56k analog protocol so it's either USR or everyone else. Greg -- Greg Stringfellow PrismNet, Inc. - Austin, TX USA Network Administration WWW Pages, ISDN, Telnet, Dialup Accounts HTTP://www.prismnet.com Phone: (512)-418-1568 "The trouble with the rat race is, even if you win, you're still a rat" From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 2 20:52:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA09803 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lightning.tbe.net (qmailr@lightning.tbe.net [208.208.122.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA09782 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4347 invoked by uid 1010); 3 May 1997 03:46:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 23:46:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Dialin PPP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am sorry if I am wasting your time with this, since it is probably some stupid little file I missed, but I don't know who else to ask, and was referred here. I recently purchased a Cyclades 8Yo multiport serial card, and am trying to set up a terminal server with FreeBSD using mgetty. I have compiled the new kernel for the Cyclades card, made the device nodes and have been successful in getting mgetty compiled and running. I am at the point now that if I dial in with a modem under Win95, with a direct connection to the machine (hyperterminal or even a terminal window using dial-up networking), I can get a prompt and login with no problem. When I dial in using dial-up networking, I bring up a terminal window to see how far I get. It connects, negotiates, and goes through the normal login procedure, and when I choose to have it start the ppp session, it does the usual verifying username and password and minimizes as if I had acheived a clean connect. When I go to do something, such as even pinging the machine I am dialing into, I get no response...everything just dies right there. We have been trying everything we could read and get our hands on, but the documentation on mgetty isn't too clear (or we just aren't interpreting it correctly). I am not sure which files need to be added to and/or modified anymore. I was also using as a guideline a page from an ISP in N.Y. who has the same set up, all working correctly under LINUX. I wrote him, and he said I wouldn't have to do anything special, stating that it should run fine without any extra modification (other than the usual differences in directory and file names) under BSD. I have been trying to replicate the 'Working as a PPP server' part of the handbook with the /etc/ppp/options file, but I really am not too straight on the way to assign IP Addresses (right now I just want one to work, I am not worried about assigning multiple dynamic IP's yet). Mgetty should be calling pppd automatically, and it seems to, but there is just something wrong or missing with the config files and there are so many of them that we don't know what exactly controls what (we have ideas, but it is hard to narrow things down when there are several files which may or may not have an affect). The machine is a 386-DX/33 with 16 Mb of RAM, running FreeBSD 2.2.1-Release, mgetty+sendfax 1.0.0, and pppd 2.2.0. I have a Cyclades 8Yo 8-port multiport card. The modem I am using on the sending end is a USR Sportster 33.6, and the modem on the receiving end is a Boca 28.8, soon to be replaced with said USR 33.6. This is most likely a stupid problem, but it is so frustrating when you know that it partly works... Thanks. -Gary Margiotta TBE Internet Services http://www.tbe.net From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 3 07:58:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA01027 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 07:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com (emout09.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA01021 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 07:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Hetzels@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA12004 for isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 May 1997 10:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 10:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970503105749_-1064857079@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: CTM w/2.2.1-Release CD-ROM? Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have downloaded all updates from src-2.2.210.gz to src-2.2.262.gz and placed them into /usr/FreeBSD-2.2/CTM. I then placed a copy of the src files from the CD-ROM into /usr/FreeBSD-2.2/src. Set .ctm_status in the src dir to "src-2.2 217" according to the README file (src-2.2-CTM-README). When I execute in the src dir "ctm -v ../CTM/src-2.2.*". I get message saying src-2.2.210-217 already applied (which is expected), but when it tries to apply src-2.2.218 it errors out on checking the MD5 chksums and doesn't apply the rest of the updates. Where do I start applying the updates from for the 2.2.1-Release that came on the CD-ROM. thanks, Scot W. Hetzel From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 3 10:31:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06061 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 10:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tok.qiv.com ([204.214.141.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06055 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 10:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tok.qiv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id MAA13386; Sat, 3 May 1997 12:30:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (jdn@localhost) by acp.qiv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA00460; Sat, 3 May 1997 12:20:34 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: acp.qiv.com: jdn owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 12:20:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jay D. Nelson" To: "Gary D. Margiotta" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dialin PPP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is what works for me. On the server, I use the normal getty and create a ppp user like: Puser:*:1000:1000:PPP User:/tmp:/usr/local/libexec/ppp-login The ppp-login script looks like this: #!/bin/sh /usr/bin/mesg n stty -tostop exec /usr/sbin/pppd proxyarp 192.168.1.1:192.168.1.2 The client dials in using a script that looks like this: #!/bin/sh /usr/sbin/pppd connect '/usr/bin/chat -v ABORT BUSY "" \ \\d\\dAT\\sE0\\sQ0 OK \\dATS7=60\\sS38=40 OK \ \\dATDT3262964 CONNECT "" ogin: Puser word: Ppasswd' \ /dev/cuaa1 115200 crtscts \ modem lock debug netmask 255.255.255.0 \ noipdefault defaultroute :192.168.1.1 exit 0 I have all my modems set up to be absolutely quiet -- no echo no reporting. Also set up for hardware flow control and reset on carrier loss. There an infinite variety of ways in the login script to do IP assignment -- or create one ppp-login.x script for each port. I know nothing of Win95 and intend keeping it that way, but I assume the "dial up networking" includes a script mechanism. I would suggest using it. Use the terminal for debugging. If you can login normally and get a bunch of garbage with braces in it, your server is working fine. -- Jay On Fri, 2 May 1997, Gary D. Margiotta wrote: ->Hello, -> ->I am sorry if I am wasting your time with this, since it is probably some ->stupid little file I missed, but I don't know who else to ask, and was ->referred here. -> ->I recently purchased a Cyclades 8Yo multiport serial card, and am trying ->to set up a terminal server with FreeBSD using mgetty. I have compiled ->the new kernel for the Cyclades card, made the device nodes and have been ->successful in getting mgetty compiled and running. I am at the point now ->that if I dial in with a modem under Win95, with a direct connection to ->the machine (hyperterminal or even a terminal window using dial-up ->networking), I can get a prompt and login with no problem. When I dial in ->using dial-up networking, I bring up a terminal window to see how far I ->get. It connects, negotiates, and goes through the normal login ->procedure, and when I choose to have it start the ppp session, it does the ->usual verifying username and password and minimizes as if I had acheived a ->clean connect. When I go to do something, such as even pinging the ->machine I am dialing into, I get no response...everything just dies right ->there. -> ->We have been trying everything we could read and get our hands on, but the ->documentation on mgetty isn't too clear (or we just aren't interpreting it ->correctly). I am not sure which files need to be added to and/or modified ->anymore. I was also using as a guideline a page from an ISP in N.Y. who ->has the same set up, all working correctly under LINUX. I wrote him, and ->he said I wouldn't have to do anything special, stating that it should run ->fine without any extra modification (other than the usual differences in ->directory and file names) under BSD. -> ->I have been trying to replicate the 'Working as a PPP server' part of the ->handbook with the /etc/ppp/options file, but I really am not too straight ->on the way to assign IP Addresses (right now I just want one to work, I am ->not worried about assigning multiple dynamic IP's yet). Mgetty should be ->calling pppd automatically, and it seems to, but there is just something ->wrong or missing with the config files and there are so many of them that ->we don't know what exactly controls what (we have ideas, but it is hard to ->narrow things down when there are several files which may or may not have ->an affect). -> ->The machine is a 386-DX/33 with 16 Mb of RAM, running FreeBSD ->2.2.1-Release, mgetty+sendfax 1.0.0, and pppd 2.2.0. I have a Cyclades ->8Yo 8-port multiport card. The modem I am using on the sending end is a ->USR Sportster 33.6, and the modem on the receiving end is a Boca 28.8, ->soon to be replaced with said USR 33.6. -> ->This is most likely a stupid problem, but it is so frustrating when you ->know that it partly works... -> ->Thanks. -> ->-Gary Margiotta ->TBE Internet Services ->http://www.tbe.net -> -> From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 3 14:36:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19094 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA19051; Sat, 3 May 1997 14:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@skraldespand.demos.su [194.87.0.19] with ESMTP id BAA23759; Sun, 4 May 1997 01:35:58 +0400 Received: by skraldespand.demos.su id BAA12138; (8.8.5/D) Sun, 4 May 1997 01:37:01 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19970504013700.25396@skraldespand.demos.su> Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 01:37:01 +0400 From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: strange 2.2.1 behaviour. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.65_p2,4-7,10-11,15,18,21-22 Organization: Demos Company, Ltd., Moscow, Russian Federation. X-Point-of-View: Gravity is myth, - the earth sucks. X-Om-Livet-Suger: Ja. Ja, ja. Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, there's one problem I would dare to disturb you, people. Let's take 4 machines, as described below, 2 HP, 2 something (selfmade rack industrial PC). They all reboot themselves without warnings since became 2.2.1. Let me explain, they all are heavily loaded servers, with 100mbitx2 connection, and I assume it'd be better to explain each of them in particular: MH model HP 6/200 VA P6-200 chipset Intel "Natoma" 128MB EDO RAM adaptec 3949UW (TAG and SCB enabled) seagate ST32151W Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100B (two, 100Mb full duplex) nfs client network activity is 200-400in/200-400out 1k packets/sec The *&^&^ crashes each 5-30 min with the following reason: Trap 12 : fault while in kernel mode ... virtual page adress 0x0 page not present , - that's rare ocasions this shy box escape's a yell like that, ussualy it'd just crash down. GK model HP 5/166 VL series 4 P5-166 chipset Intel 82437FX 128MB RAM adaptec 2949UW (aic7880, TAG and SCB enabled) seagate ST32550W Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100B (one, 100Mb full duplex) nfs client network activity is also some kind of 200-400in/200-400out packets/sec crashes every 5-30 minutes. This one never let society know, why is it willing to crash. SB asus P/I-P6NP5 P6-200 chipset Intel "Natoma" 128MB RAM adaptec 3949UW (TAG and SCB enabled) seagate ST32151W and ST19171W Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100B (two, 100Mb full duplex) nfs server network activity 500-1000in/500-1000out packets/sec crashed once 24-48 hr Here, it's silent also, but is definetely more loaded and is more stable for some unknown reasons. Of course I know HP sucks (pardon, but it does), but ASUS motherboarded machines definetely seems to be more stable than any HP made PC. Anyhow, There's another one, selfmade also, ASUS ppro200x2/Natoma/256 RAM and 3x3940 adaptecs, 10 disks (2x9gb and 8x4gb seagates) plus 2 fxp intel cards. It already reboots once per ~week, but without _any_ notice. This one is the most loaded, handling huge ftp server, proxy server etc. The most interesting part is that hardware is _not_ culprit in this situations, we changed memory in boxes, disks, ethernet's (tried de0's by SMC), even power supplies. They all are double UPS'd, all supplies have enough power to feed that iron pieces, but still, reboots happen. When we investigated what's wrong, we tried to correlate their reboots with a) high disk activities, b) network activities, c) network situation changes. We got: a) has nothing to do with situation, since both ppro200's handle use disk more than others, and the last one, unnamed, serves 10 disk easylly, still crahes a less than others. b) should be the culpit here, - MH and GK boxes were made to exec looped find's -exec ls -alRt (etc) over 100mbit full duplex NFS v 3.0 (tested both, TCP and UDP variants) on disk, mounted to SB, and here, - MH and GK crash in 10/20/30 minutes, still the server stands still, plus serving 40/60 clients simultaneously (that gives 200-300 processes, a la sh/slirp). That is odd, but when you unplugg boxes from network, they do ok for weeks (tested). c) we tried to correlate sb's crashes with arp info changes by arp proxy by nearby standing cisco (4500/IOS 10.3), - tough luck. Tried to correlate virtual inerfaces quantity increasing on SB (now it's ~130) with it's reboots, no luck here also. Now we totalaly misunderstand what is going on, what can it be and why, this boxes don't run anything than well known software, like squid, ircd, slirpd and alike things. Sorry for complicated explanation, Sincerely yours, Mikhail A. Sokolov. P.S. Please, all ideas are welcomed, maybe when they don't fit the list, mail it here, - don't let bosses desicion happen, so that ftp.ru.freebsd.org will live on some Sun box :-( From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 3 23:14:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA11471 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 3 May 1997 23:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.win.net (ns2.win.net [204.215.209.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA11466 for ; Sat, 3 May 1997 23:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from launchpad.win.net (uucp@localhost) by ns2.win.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id CAA22872 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 May 1997 02:04:01 -0400 Received: by win.net!launchpad; Sun, 04 May 1997 01:06:21 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v4.0c Message-ID: Reply-To: fbsd-isp@launchpad.win.net (Joe Mays - freebsd-isp) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 01:06:21 -0400 Subject: Re: News... From: fbsd-isp@launchpad.win.net (Joe Mays - freebsd-isp) Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Doing some user logging, info gathering, just to get some numbers >should not be all the difficult. Would be good to see what percentage >of a typical ISP's news customers are spending what percentage of their >time on the which groups. Then, you can assign a dollar value to it, >and weigh that against the cost of defending yourself from prosecution, >etc.You could also mesure the total bandwidth that those customers use, >and weigh that against the other users. You keep talking about the cost of defending yourself against prosecution. Can you offer me an estimate of the amount of dollars spent by ISP's to defend themselves against prosecution for carrying binary groups thus far? In my experience, the amount of dollars we have spent on legal defense for carrying whatever comes down the usenet pipe is approximately $0. This aspect of your argument seems specious to me. Joe Mays