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On Fri, 30 May 1997 16:39:10 -0600 (MDT)
"Robert P. Ricci" <rricci@ns1.theonlynet.com> wrote:

rricci> We've got two FreeBSD machines, and would like to use one as a
rricci> terminal server and the other as mail/web/ftp sever (right
rricci> now, everything's on the terminal server.) What would be the
rricci> best way to keep identical password files on both machines, or
rricci> use the web server's password file to authenticate users on
rricci> the terminal server? The terminal server uses a cyclades
rricci> card. Right now, we use mgetty to answer the modems, which
rricci> then fires up pppd. We're also able to nfs mount between the
rricci> two machines.

The dial-in server can use RADIUS configured to look into the
/etc/passwd file for authentication. I believe you use "Password =
UNIX" or "Password = System" (Livingston RADIUS-2.0). So your dialin
server can query a RADIUS daemon running on your www/ftp/email server
where the accounts really live. I set up one site like this and it's
real easy for them to manage cuz all they gotta do is "adduser". 

You can make the users shell something like /PPP-only or /bin/false if
you want them to have PPP authentication but no shell access, but this
*might* hose www/ftp/email (see /etc/shells and such).

MERIT and Livingston's latest RADIUS support examining UNIX /etc/group
file for PPP authentication. With this you could allow people
shell/email/ftp/www access, but *not* PPP, if you set their group to
be one RADIUS doesn't like.

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On Fri, 30 May 1997, Luiz de Barros wrote:

> Hi ALL,
> 
> I have FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE with getty auto-sensing PPP but am not being 
> able to recognize users that logon using PAP.
> 
> What would be the command line i should call throght gettytab?
You need use mgetty software.

	Best wishes, Eugeny Kuzakov
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		kev@lab321.ru


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On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Eugeny Kuzakov wrote:

> On Fri, 30 May 1997, Luiz de Barros wrote:
> 
> > Hi ALL,
> > 
> > I have FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE with getty auto-sensing PPP but am not being 
> > able to recognize users that logon using PAP.
> > 
> > What would be the command line i should call throght gettytab?
> You need use mgetty software.

No you don't.  See man getty.  Look for the 'pp' tag.

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> > Hi ALL,
> > 
> > I have FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE with getty auto-sensing PPP but am not being 
> > able to recognize users that logon using PAP.
> > 
> > What would be the command line i should call throght gettytab?

> You need use mgetty software.
> 

Actually, I had set up PPP on a 2.2.1-R box with a Cyclades card using
straight getty.  The newer version autosenses PPP and uses PAP/CHAP for
authentication also.  I have successfully gotten it to work through
dialing in on a Win95 machine through DUN using PAP.  

Here is a sample of my config files, should you need more info, mail me
back.


Passwd entry:

garyppp::1006:32::0:0:Gary Margiotta PPP:/home/garyppp:/usr/sbin/pppd


/etc/ppp/pap-secrets and /etc/ppp/chap-secrets:

* * ""

/etc/ppp/options:

38400 (set to own correct DTE rate, hayes compatible are usually 57600)
-detach
+pap
auth
crtscts
modem
passive
netmask 255.255.255.224
login
proxyarp
asyncmap 0
dns1 208.192.6.5  (obviously substitute your own DNS machines here, though 
dns2 208.208.122.5 if they set up their own DNS servers in control panel
		   -> networks, this may be omitted)


/etc/ppp/options.ttyc01 (yours would be options.ttyd*)

208.192.6.22:208.192.6.51 (this assigns an IP and binds it to this
			  machine)


Also, don't forget to make sure the machine is running routed or gated so
it can forward packets out from it, otherwise they will not be able to go
anywhere outside of the box.


-Gary Margiotta
TBE Internet Services
http://www.tbe.net


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[snip]

> Also, don't forget to make sure the machine is running routed or gated so
> it can forward packets out from it, otherwise they will not be able to go
> anywhere outside of the box.

Don't run routed. Evil, evil evil.

And routed / gated don't forward packets, you'll have to tell the kernel
to forward packets for you.

In /etc/sysconfig change the line 
gateway=NO

to 

gateway=YES

If you have the /etc/rc.conf configuration file, change the line:

gateway_enable="NO"

to 

gateway_enable="YES"


Adrian Chadd
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On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, Gary D. Margiotta wrote:

> 
> Here is a sample of my config files, should you need more info, mail me
> back.

A better lot of information is at 
ftp://ftp.hilink.com.au/pub/FreeBSD/pppkit.tgz

> Also, don't forget to make sure the machine is running routed or gated so
> it can forward packets out from it, otherwise they will not be able to go
> anywhere outside of the box.

Bzzt!!  Gated and routed are routing table managers.  They do not actually 
perform routing.  To enable packet forwarding, set the appropriate item 
in {/etc/sysconfig,/etc/rc.conf} to YES.  This will cause the kernel sysctl 
variable net.inet.ip.forwarding to be set to 1, and tells the kernel to 
forward packets.

regards,

Danny


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On Thu, 29 May 1997, Victor Rotanov wrote:

> Is there any WWW server software that supports ASP? Are there any
> alternatives to ASP?

"Active Server Pages" are an invention of M.Soft, so there is no support on
other platforms like FreeBSD.
Instead of ASPages you can write simple cgi programs that parse your pages
or you can write extensions/modules for your http server.
apache supports a widely used API for writing such programs.

Further more there are products like w3-msql that support some kind of
server parsed HTML similar to active server pages for special purposes.

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Daniel O'Callaghan wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 30 May 1997, Robert P. Ricci wrote:
> 
> > We've got two FreeBSD machines,

> > What would be the best way to keep identical
> > password files on both machines,

> Right now, your best hope is probably NIS.  Adam David and I are vaguely
> working towards getting radius client support into pppd.

Well this answers my question to you in a private email!!

  You could
> contact <damian@cablenet.net> and ask him how he did his radius login stuff.
> I think he replaced login with radlogin.

Yup! it's really simple to change to use radlogin.

regards
damian

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Hi,

Speaking of active server pages have a look at PHP/FI at
http://www.vex.com/php or have a look at the Apache/PERL integration
project at http://www.osf.org/~dougm/apache/

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Damian:

Which radiusclient are you using and how is it setup on FreeBSD?

On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Damian Hamill wrote:

> Daniel O'Callaghan wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, 30 May 1997, Robert P. Ricci wrote:
> > 
> > > We've got two FreeBSD machines,
> 
> > > What would be the best way to keep identical
> > > password files on both machines,
> 
> > Right now, your best hope is probably NIS.  Adam David and I are vaguely
> > working towards getting radius client support into pppd.
> 
> Well this answers my question to you in a private email!!
> 
>   You could
> > contact <damian@cablenet.net> and ask him how he did his radius login stuff.
> > I think he replaced login with radlogin.
> 
> Yup! it's really simple to change to use radlogin.
> 
> regards
> damian
> 
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Hi, All !

I am looking for NAT daemon.
Requirements: support FreeBSD 2.1.7.1 and it need be STABLE work.
Ipnat from ipfilter package ? What is stable ?

Thanks.

	Best wishes, Eugeny Kuzakov
		Laboratory 321 ( Omsk, Russia )
		kev@lab321.ru


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On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Eugeny Kuzakov wrote:

> 
> Hi, All !
> 
> I am looking for NAT daemon.
> Requirements: support FreeBSD 2.1.7.1 and it need be STABLE work.
> Ipnat from ipfilter package ? What is stable ?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 	Best wishes, Eugeny Kuzakov
> 		Laboratory 321 ( Omsk, Russia )
> 		kev@lab321.ru
> 
> 
I use Ipnat from IPFilter and it works really good.  Seems to be stable,
the version I am using has a couple of bugs that don't allow you to
change rules after it has been running for more than 10 minutes, but You
usually  don't change anything  while its running.  I haven't had any
problems and we use it for our while campus.

Christopher J. Coleman (chris@aries.bb.cc.wa.us)
Computer Support Technician I  (509)-766-8873
Big Bend Community College  Internet Instructor
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Howdy,
	My local TV provider announced they would offer Internet connectivity
through a Motorola product that will let you use an ethernet card to
connect to they fiber (TV) network .
I wanted to join, but the local provider doesn't offer details, and
Motorola says Unix is not supported. Anyone knows something about this?
Of course I said I wasn't interested, Internet without Unix is a
nonsense! But if the end-point is Ethernet, it should work.

	Pedro.

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Pedro F. Giffuni wrote:
> 
> Howdy,
>         My local TV provider announced they would offer Internet connectivity
> through a Motorola product that will let you use an ethernet card to
> connect to they fiber (TV) network .
> I wanted to join, but the local provider doesn't offer details, and
> Motorola says Unix is not supported. Anyone knows something about this?
> Of course I said I wasn't interested, Internet without Unix is a
> nonsense! But if the end-point is Ethernet, it should work.
> 
>         Pedro.

	I have some friends who work for one of the Cable Modem companies, and
one of them uses FreeBSD 2.2.1, and the other uses an SGI Challenge that
work gave him, so it should work fine, it's just that, in general, UNIX
is "too much hassle and too specialized of knowledge" to bother with.
They hook in through an Ethernet adapter, and you just run a normal
stack over the connection. Make sure they don't have proprietary
software to connect though... the company I am familiar with does not.

JF

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On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote:

> Howdy,
> 	My local TV provider announced they would offer Internet connectivity
> through a Motorola product that will let you use an ethernet card to
> connect to they fiber (TV) network .
> I wanted to join, but the local provider doesn't offer details, and
> Motorola says Unix is not supported. Anyone knows something about this?
> Of course I said I wasn't interested, Internet without Unix is a
> nonsense! But if the end-point is Ethernet, it should work.

I don't have a subscription myself, but it sounds like what Foxtel is 
offering in Australia.  The Win95 box logs in to the network and the 
"ethernet" switch registers its ethernet address, and an IP address is 
assigned.  The IP address remains static for 24 hours, even if you log 
out of the network.  So it *may* work if you have a dual-boot system - 
boot in win95, log in to Foxtel, reboot in FreeBSD.

You could always try asking for the source code of the login procedure.  
Try to make them understand that it is the Internet access they are 
selling, not the software.  I doubt you'll get far, though.

And for those who are interested in comparitive pricing, Foxtel's 
Internet access in Australia costs A$65/month for 100MB and A$0.35/MB 
after that.  A$1.00 == US$0.77.

/*  Daniel O'Callaghan                                                     */
/*  HiLink Internet <http://www.hilink.com.au/>       danny@hilink.com.au  */
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pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co (Pedro F. Giffuni) writes:

> 	My local TV provider announced they would offer Internet connectivity
> through a Motorola product that will let you use an ethernet card to
> connect to they fiber (TV) network .
> I wanted to join, but the local provider doesn't offer details, and
> Motorola says Unix is not supported. Anyone knows something about this?
> Of course I said I wasn't interested, Internet without Unix is a
> nonsense! But if the end-point is Ethernet, it should work.

I recommend that you get the service and install Win95 on one partition of
your system.  Then wait until the installer is out the door before you
reboot.  ;-)

Tony

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Pedro F. Giffuni scribbled this message on Jun 3:
> Howdy,
> 	My local TV provider announced they would offer Internet connectivity
> through a Motorola product that will let you use an ethernet card to
> connect to they fiber (TV) network .
> I wanted to join, but the local provider doesn't offer details, and
> Motorola says Unix is not supported. Anyone knows something about this?

there can be two meanings of supported..  a) it will work with the
equipment listed, or b) we will make it work with the equipment listed...
I'm pretty sure they are talking about b...  they won't help you get
your unix machine talking, but it you do, good for you... :)

> Of course I said I wasn't interested, Internet without Unix is a
> nonsense! But if the end-point is Ethernet, it should work.

hope this helps...  ttyl..

-- 
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The cable-modem is made by Motorola (AFAIK), it will cost about $500, +
$100 for the initial activation. After this the cost is about $40. 
Glen Foster pointed out this page and I'm sure it's what they will use:
	http://www.mot.com/MIMS/Multimedia/prod/specs/modemSpec.html
So I think I'm saved, and the person who replied had no idea what UNIX
is.

	Pedro.
(Thanks to everyone that replied, I'll wait to see how other users
interact with this before I decide.)

Daniel O'Callaghan wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote:
> 
> > Howdy,
> >       My local TV provider announced they would offer Internet connectivity
> > through a Motorola product that will let you use an ethernet card to
> > connect to they fiber (TV) network .
> > I wanted to join, but the local provider doesn't offer details, and
> > Motorola says Unix is not supported. Anyone knows something about this?
> > Of course I said I wasn't interested, Internet without Unix is a
> > nonsense! But if the end-point is Ethernet, it should work.
> 
> I don't have a subscription myself, but it sounds like what Foxtel is
> offering in Australia.  The Win95 box logs in to the network and the
> "ethernet" switch registers its ethernet address, and an IP address is
> assigned.  The IP address remains static for 24 hours, even if you log
> out of the network.  So it *may* work if you have a dual-boot system -
> boot in win95, log in to Foxtel, reboot in FreeBSD.
> 
> You could always try asking for the source code of the login procedure.
> Try to make them understand that it is the Internet access they are
> selling, not the software.  I doubt you'll get far, though.
> 
> And for those who are interested in comparitive pricing, Foxtel's
> Internet access in Australia costs A$65/month for 100MB and A$0.35/MB
> after that.  A$1.00 == US$0.77.
> 
> /*  Daniel O'Callaghan                                                     */
> /*  HiLink Internet <http://www.hilink.com.au/>       danny@hilink.com.au  */
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On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote:

> 
> 
> On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote:
> 
> > Howdy,
> > 	My local TV provider announced they would offer Internet connectivity
> > through a Motorola product that will let you use an ethernet card to
> > connect to they fiber (TV) network .
> > I wanted to join, but the local provider doesn't offer details, and
> > Motorola says Unix is not supported. Anyone knows something about this?
> > Of course I said I wasn't interested, Internet without Unix is a
> > nonsense! But if the end-point is Ethernet, it should work.
> 
> I don't have a subscription myself, but it sounds like what Foxtel is 
> offering in Australia.  The Win95 box logs in to the network and the 
> "ethernet" switch registers its ethernet address, and an IP address is 
> assigned.  The IP address remains static for 24 hours, even if you log 
> out of the network.  So it *may* work if you have a dual-boot system - 
> boot in win95, log in to Foxtel, reboot in FreeBSD.

>From what I have heard most cable modem providers use dhcp to assign the
ip.  All you need with a unix is dhcpd and it will be able to pick up the
ip.  Windows95 has this built in so its 'supported' i guess.




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Hi,
We are using POP and SMTP for our mail. The /var partition is almost
full and everyday have to get people to remove large mails files to keep
alive. What is the best way to add a new hard disk or reallocate some
space from /home which has quite a bit of space left?

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On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Muditha Gunatilake wrote:

> Hi,
> We are using POP and SMTP for our mail. The /var partition is almost
> full and everyday have to get people to remove large mails files to keep
> alive. What is the best way to add a new hard disk or reallocate some
> space from /home which has quite a bit of space left?

Hi,

The simplest thing to do is: 
1. kill sendmail and inetd
2. cd /var
3. mkdir /home/var
4. cp -Rp mail /home/var
5. mv mail mail.old ; ln -s /home/mail mail
6. Restart sendmail and inetd

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On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Muditha Gunatilake wrote:

> Hi,
> We are using POP and SMTP for our mail. The /var partition is almost
> full and everyday have to get people to remove large mails files to keep
> alive. What is the best way to add a new hard disk or reallocate some
> space from /home which has quite a bit of space left?

Method 1:

a) back the partition up.
b) delete the partition completely.
c) add a new disk.
d) make yourself a bigger var partition
e) put the data back in it.

It's a hassle, but any other method like soft linking home most of var
into home tends to lose the point of a /var partition.

Method 2:
Use less of /var, i.e. move log files you aren't too worried about
somewhere else or have a cron that chops them up regularly and puts the
digested data elsewhere. If it's mail filling it up you can get mail
delivered directly to someones home directory instead. You would need to
check out something like ftp://ftp.cs.columbia.edu/pub/hlfsd/README.hlfsd
or if you know how just change the local mailer you use, procmail will do
it for you.

Method 3:
*dons flame protection*
Other than that you could always just enlarge the size of the partition
with disklabel and hope it works, quite often it does if you play with
newfs a bit it'll work =)
*removes flame protection*

Method 4:
delete things. =)

Steve Roome.


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 Hi,

 We have to provide telnet access to around 5000 Students
 (for pine, irc, news, etc..).
 We expect an average of 50-100 users logged at the same time.
 Should a Pentium Pro 200Mhz with 120Mb RAM do the job??
 (or is a Pentium 100Mhz, 98Mb RAM enough?)
 OS: FreeBSD 2.X
 Best regards,

 Nabil Zary
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Muditha Gunatilake wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> We are using POP and SMTP for our mail. The /var partition is almost
> full and everyday have to get people to remove large mails files to keep
> alive. What is the best way to add a new hard disk or reallocate some
> space from /home which has quite a bit of space left?
> 

Symbolics links.

I was have the same problem, and receive it by relinking /var into /usr,
(in /home in you case ?) i. e.
mv /var /var1

mkdir /usr/var
ln -s /usr/var  /var

and renaming /var partition to /var1 and relinking to it constant
subdirectory from usr.

ln -s /usr/what-you-want /var1

> --
> ---------------------
> Muditha Gunatilake
> Atlas Seychelles Ltd
> 
> Phone:304060
> email: muditha@seychelles.net
>            mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk
>            muditha@creole.seychelles.net
> :-)

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Hello Muditha,

Make a symbolic link from /var/mail to the actual place where you store
the mail, in your case it could be the /home partition. Or simply add
a new disk to hold mailboxes, mailqueue etc. Its very easy to add a new
disk, just use the /stand/sysinstall custom option. If you prefer the
first alternative you should kill sendmail, mv /var/mail to /home/mail and
then "cd /var; ln -s /home/mail mail" . I wont recommend making /home 
smaller and /var bigger. It will prob ruin all data on the partitions.

:-) 

MVH,

Christoffer Walther				
Unix Admin & Hostmaster			
PROVENTUM

On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Muditha Gunatilake wrote:

> Hi,
> We are using POP and SMTP for our mail. The /var partition is almost
> full and everyday have to get people to remove large mails files to keep
> alive. What is the best way to add a new hard disk or reallocate some
> space from /home which has quite a bit of space left?
> 
> -- 
> ---------------------
> Muditha Gunatilake 
> Atlas Seychelles Ltd
> 
> Phone:304060
> email: muditha@seychelles.net
>            mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk	
>            muditha@creole.seychelles.net
> :-)
> 


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> Further more there are products like w3-msql that support some kind of
> server parsed HTML similar to active server pages for special purposes.

w3-msql... not too bad, but really only for their database. Give
'PHP/FI' a whirl. You can read about it at http://www.vex.com/php/

Good stuff.

						-Steve

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My rule has always been 2 megs per user.. more if they'll all be running
pine (god what a memory hog).

100 users = 200 Mb RAM.  I'd go PPro 200, 256Mb RAM.

>  Hi,
> 
>  We have to provide telnet access to around 5000 Students
>  (for pine, irc, news, etc..).
>  We expect an average of 50-100 users logged at the same time.
>  Should a Pentium Pro 200Mhz with 120Mb RAM do the job??
>  (or is a Pentium 100Mhz, 98Mb RAM enough?)
>  OS: FreeBSD 2.X
>  Best regards,
> 
>  Nabil Zary
>  Stockholm
> 
> 
>          ________________________________________________
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>        |________________________________________________|
>  
> 


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I'm trying to get a somewhat tweaked FreeBSD-2.1.7 box with an ET/5025-16
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			---  Truck

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Does anyone know if there is there source available for a news server
that builds on 95/NT ?

regards
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On Wed, 04 Jun 1997 13:24:58 +0400
Muditha Gunatilake <muditha@seychelles.net> wrote:

muditha> We are using POP and SMTP for our mail. The /var partition is
muditha> almost full and everyday have to get people to remove large
muditha> mails files to keep alive. What is the best way to add a new
muditha> hard disk or reallocate some space from /home which has quite
muditha> a bit of space left?

The following assumes /var/mail is the problem, not /var/log or some
other partition entirely.

Quickest thing would be to make /var/mail a symlink into /home/mail,
after moving all the mail files of course.

You could also add a new disk and mount /var/mail on that.

See ya! :-)

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Damian Hamill wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if there is there source available for a news server
> that builds on 95/NT ?
> 
I don't think that exists (yet). AFAIK to run a news server on NT,
depending on the number of users you want, you require a license for a
Microsoft product. (The University of Oregon found that out and moved to
Linux.)
Use FreeBSD.

	Pedro.


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> damian
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From: Bernie Doehner <bad@uhf.wireless.net>
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Hi:

[..]

> 
> Quickest thing would be to make /var/mail a symlink into /home/mail,
> after moving all the mail files of course.

Or do what DEC has done for years (assume /usr is a separate/larger
partition with lots of space):

mv /var /usr/var
ln -s /usr/var /var

I grew tired of always moving individual /var subdirs over to /usr and
symb linking, so I ended up using this method on here.
 
> You could also add a new disk and mount /var/mail on that.
> 

Done that too (key to remote administration/installation, always think
redudancy/too much disk space). We had a 1GB IDE drive not doing anything
useful. Came in handy when we ran out of space on /var/mail!

Bernie


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We do fine for 7,000 users with a Pentium 133, 128 mb ram, 4 gig disk, and
512kb cache.

On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Nabil Zary wrote:

> 
>  Hi,
> 
>  We have to provide telnet access to around 5000 Students
>  (for pine, irc, news, etc..).
>  We expect an average of 50-100 users logged at the same time.
>  Should a Pentium Pro 200Mhz with 120Mb RAM do the job??
>  (or is a Pentium 100Mhz, 98Mb RAM enough?)
>  OS: FreeBSD 2.X
>  Best regards,
> 
>  Nabil Zary
>  Stockholm
> 
> 
>          ________________________________________________
>        __|                  Nabil  Zary                |__
>       (___O)                   M I P                 (O___)
>      (_____O)          Karolinska Institutet        (O_____)
>      (_____O)          Nabil.Zary@mip.ki.se         (O_____)
>       (__O)              Tel. 08-728 7129            (O__)
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>  
> 
> 


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Anyone got much experience of using this? We're thinking of using it to
maintain levels of service for a web farm: 1Mb pipe out to the net shared
across a set of machine on 100Mb ethernet (they talk to eachother as well). 

Scoured through the archives for info on this and didn't really find
anything that looked like a first hand experience of using it "in anger".

Manar


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On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote:

> Damian Hamill wrote:
> > 
> > Does anyone know if there is there source available for a news server
> > that builds on 95/NT ?
> > 
> I don't think that exists (yet). AFAIK to run a news server on NT,
> depending on the number of users you want, you require a license for a
> Microsoft product. (The University of Oregon found that out and moved to
> Linux.)
> Use FreeBSD.
> 
> 	Pedro.

Absolutely.  NT will require 50% (100%?) more DRAM and will never 
be able to carry a fully load without falling over.  FreeBSD makes
an excellent news server.

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I apologise for asking this question again but had
little response last time and now it has become a
serious problem since a client is complaining
as a result of the following :

The problem is that they are having a lot of difficulty
collecting mail from the mailhub I set up for them 
on a P166 FreeBSD box with 64 MB RAM.
We are a webcompany with 2 MB line to the same
ISP that our customer is dialling into. (We are not the ISP)

Een over a LAN, when I ping the FreeBSD box, the very
first request _always_ times out.
(Almost as if the machine is waking up)

So, the only causes of trouble I can think of are :

1) network card. (it's a 3Com).
   which do you all recommend ?

2) DNS -  is handled by a DEC Alpha 500 (runnign DU) which is 
   possibly in need of RAM (it's handling mail, and 4 webservers, X term,
   and DNS for 50 domains.... somebody once told me that each domain
   should have 1 MB RAM.)

3) Jammed network at the ISP

4) I configured it inefficiently (config files below)


In order to reduce the timeouts and inability to contact the
mailserver (2 complaints I am receiving), what action would
you take ?

I'm already considering :
1) changing the network card 
2) move the DNS to the same machine
3) increasing the timeouts .... but I think that that is not
   really a satisfactory solution but rather avoiding the real problem.


Apologies since this must seem so pathetic compared to the 
huge systems most of you are running without problem.
Thank you very much in advance,

Chas


----------------------------

configuration :

A DEC box is running the webserver and virtual domain 
for our client :  "company.com.my"    xxx.xxx.xxx.aaa

The FreeBSD box "mailhub.com.my"  xxx.xxx.xxx.bbb
receives mail for  "mail.company.com.my"
by using the changes to rule S98 in sendmail.


== Zone file for "company.com.my" ==

company.com.my.     IN      SOA     us.com.my. postmaster.us.com.my. (
                        23      ; Serial
                        300     ; Refresh - 5 minutes
                        60      ; Retry - 1 minute
                        1209600 ; Expire - 2 weeks
                        43200 ) ; Minimum - 12 hours
;
                        IN      NS              us.com.my.
                        IN      NS              relay1.jaring.my.
                        IN      MX              10 mail
                        IN      A               xxx.xxx.xxx.aaa
www                     IN      CNAME           company.com.my.
mail                    IN      MX              10 mail
mail                    IN      A               xxx.xxx.xxx.bbb


== user mapping in sendmail.db on the freebsd mail hub == 

user1@company.com.my		user1 
user2@company.com.my		user2 
user3@company.com.my		user3 
user4@company.com.my		user4 
..etc


== clipped from sendmail.cf ==

Cwlocalhost
# file containing names of hosts for which we receive email
Fw-o /etc/sendmail.cw


== clipped from sendmail.cw ==

company.com.my
mail.company.com.my






















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On Wed, Jun 04, 1997 at 03:57:37PM +0100, Damian Hamill wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is there source available for a news server
> that builds on 95/NT ?
> 
> regards
> damian
> 
> -- 
> *    Damian Hamill   M.D.       damian@cablenet.net
> * CableNet & The Landscape Channel
> * http://www.cablenet.net/   http://www.landscapetv.com/

I received a 'landscape' mailer about the news satelite feed from you
guys.  Any discounts 'cos we're all FreeBSD people together? ;)

Joe
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On Wed, Jun 04, 1997 at 01:33:45PM +0000, Nabil Zary wrote:
> 
>  Hi,
> 
>  We have to provide telnet access to around 5000 Students
>  (for pine, irc, news, etc..).
>  We expect an average of 50-100 users logged at the same time.
>  Should a Pentium Pro 200Mhz with 120Mb RAM do the job??
>  (or is a Pentium 100Mhz, 98Mb RAM enough?)
>  OS: FreeBSD 2.X
>  Best regards,
> 
>  Nabil Zary
>  Stockholm

It depends upon what they're doing.  If they're all pulling 'make world'
type operations then you're going to run out of steam pretty quickly.

I would expect that the pro200 box should be able to support 100 users
doing sensible things fairly easily.  You'll probably have to up some
kernel constants to make more resources available though.  Like;
	USERS	128

Joe.
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From: Chris Wilson <cbw@atlantic.net>
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I've got a machine running 2.2.2 that I'm trying to set up as a terminal
server using Comtrol Rocketport 8 port serial boards. We're using these
under Linux with no problem.

I'm trying to run the ports using mgetty, which works fine with the
standard com1/com2 ports on the system. I can access the modems on the
Rocketport using minicom. When I try and run them with mgetty however, it
hangs at:

waiting for line to clear (VTIME), read:

and it dies there. I'm using the beta drivers located on Comtrol's server
(ftp://ftp.comtrol.com/BETA/B6547tar.gz). Has anyone had any experience
getting this to work?

Thanks,

Chris

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From: Bernie Doehner <bad@uhf.wireless.net>
To: Alan Batie <batie@agora.rdrop.com>
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> I'm using those and my sendmail is happily rejecting 20-40K messages/day;
> not all by any means, but it stops me from being a relay and also stops
> a lot of the worst scam junk (they tend to use invalid domains, which
> the filters check for).

So, how did you make check_compat work and not break your virtual domains,
or do you not have any?

Bernie


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> So, how did you make check_compat work and not break your virtual domains,
> or do you not have any?

I'm not using check_compat explicitly, but I did have to put the virtual
domains in class cw.

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> The problem is that they are having a lot of difficulty
> collecting mail from the mailhub I set up for them 
> on a P166 FreeBSD box with 64 MB RAM.
> We are a webcompany with 2 MB line to the same
> ISP that our customer is dialling into. (We are not the ISP)
> 
> Een over a LAN, when I ping the FreeBSD box, the very
> first request _always_ times out.
> (Almost as if the machine is waking up)

I'm nothing close to an expert, but as a guess in the dark, perhaps some
tpye of power management is active? Which is putting various parts of the
system to sleep when idle, which causes it to need time to wakeup?

Maybe not... oh well, good luck.


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> Hello.
> 
> Is there any WWW server software that supports ASP? Are there any
> alternatives to ASP?
> 
> Thanks, bye.
> 
> vitjok
> 

	can you say SSI   ( Server Side Includes ) ...... 
	I knew you could <G> ....

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On Thu, 5 Jun 1997 sweeting@neuronet.com.my wrote:
> The problem is that they are having a lot of difficulty
> collecting mail from the mailhub I set up for them 
> on a P166 FreeBSD box with 64 MB RAM.
> We are a webcompany with 2 MB line to the same
> ISP that our customer is dialling into. (We are not the ISP)

If all this is doing is serving mail for a handful of virtual
domains, it should fly.

I'm not familiar with the 3Com cards, haven't used them in years,
but my impression is that they are towards the bottom of the
list for FBSD.  You should give an NE2000 clone a try, cheap
and effective even if they aren't the fastest around.

My guess would be that it is a DNS problem.  Since you say
the Alpha is probably short of memory anyway, I'd move DNS
to the FBSD box.  I don't like running DNS on web servers
anyway.  But if it was strictly a problem of slow DNS the
webservers would be slow too.  Since you don't mention it
I'll guess you aren't getting any complaints about them.

So that would suggest DNS configuration problems.  Can't
check that with dummy names and IP addresses.

So, move DNS to FBSD and if that doesn't fix it outright
post with real names and addresses.

Dan
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Hi,

You could try DNews (sorry don't know the URL), but my experience
using it on NT3.51 convinced me that INND on BSD UNIX (BSDI 2.1) is light
years ahead in performance. However on the positive side it is a bit
easier to set up than INND and being a commercial product has support.
Needless to say we don't run NT any more...

Good luck,
Bo

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On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Damian Hamill wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is there source available for a news server
> that builds on 95/NT ?
> 
> regards
> damian
> 
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On Thu, 5 Jun 1997 sweeting@neuronet.com.my wrote:

> I apologise for asking this question again but had
> little response last time and now it has become a
> serious problem since a client is complaining
> as a result of the following :
> 
> The problem is that they are having a lot of difficulty
> collecting mail from the mailhub I set up for them 
> on a P166 FreeBSD box with 64 MB RAM.
> We are a webcompany with 2 MB line to the same
> ISP that our customer is dialling into. (We are not the ISP)
> 
> Een over a LAN, when I ping the FreeBSD box, the very
> first request _always_ times out.
> (Almost as if the machine is waking up)
> 
> So, the only causes of trouble I can think of are :
> 
> 1) network card. (it's a 3Com).
>    which do you all recommend ?
I doubt it.

> 
> 2) DNS -  is handled by a DEC Alpha 500 (runnign DU) which is 
>    possibly in need of RAM (it's handling mail, and 4 webservers, X term,
>    and DNS for 50 domains.... somebody once told me that each domain
>    should have 1 MB RAM.)
> 

Could be DNS. try pinging with an IP address not a name.  
Put the IP number and domain name in /etc/hosts and put host 
ahead of bind in /etc/host.conf

Otherwise, it could be a routing problem.  The route should be static, 
silent (or something), permanent and not depend on routed or gated which 
might expire and then take time to re-establish.  To tell, check the 
route before and after pinging.  
jbeukema

> 3) Jammed network at the ISP
> 
> 4) I configured it inefficiently (config files below)
> 
> 
> In order to reduce the timeouts and inability to contact the
> mailserver (2 complaints I am receiving), what action would
> you take ?
> 
> I'm already considering :
> 1) changing the network card 
> 2) move the DNS to the same machine
> 3) increasing the timeouts .... but I think that that is not
>    really a satisfactory solution but rather avoiding the real problem.
> 
> 
> Apologies since this must seem so pathetic compared to the 
> huge systems most of you are running without problem.
> Thank you very much in advance,
> 
> Chas
> 
> 
> ----------------------------
> 
> configuration :
> 
> A DEC box is running the webserver and virtual domain 
> for our client :  "company.com.my"    xxx.xxx.xxx.aaa
> 
> The FreeBSD box "mailhub.com.my"  xxx.xxx.xxx.bbb
> receives mail for  "mail.company.com.my"
> by using the changes to rule S98 in sendmail.
> 
> 
> == Zone file for "company.com.my" ==
> 
> company.com.my.     IN      SOA     us.com.my. postmaster.us.com.my. (
>                         23      ; Serial
>                         300     ; Refresh - 5 minutes
>                         60      ; Retry - 1 minute
>                         1209600 ; Expire - 2 weeks
>                         43200 ) ; Minimum - 12 hours
> ;
>                         IN      NS              us.com.my.
>                         IN      NS              relay1.jaring.my.
>                         IN      MX              10 mail
>                         IN      A               xxx.xxx.xxx.aaa
> www                     IN      CNAME           company.com.my.
> mail                    IN      MX              10 mail
> mail                    IN      A               xxx.xxx.xxx.bbb
> 
> 
> == user mapping in sendmail.db on the freebsd mail hub == 
> 
> user1@company.com.my		user1 
> user2@company.com.my		user2 
> user3@company.com.my		user3 
> user4@company.com.my		user4 
> ..etc
> 
> 
> == clipped from sendmail.cf ==
> 
> Cwlocalhost
> # file containing names of hosts for which we receive email
> Fw-o /etc/sendmail.cw
> 
> 
> == clipped from sendmail.cw ==
> 
> company.com.my
> mail.company.com.my
> 
> 
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On Jun 4, Bernie Doehner <bad@uhf.wireless.net> wrote: 

> > I'm using those and my sendmail is happily rejecting 20-40K messages/day;
> > not all by any means, but it stops me from being a relay and also stops
> > a lot of the worst scam junk (they tend to use invalid domains, which
> > the filters check for).
> 
> So, how did you make check_compat work and not break your virtual domains,
> or do you not have any?

	The problem with check_compat is that it's called /after/ the
	entire message has been transmitted -- so, while it can be used
	to stop relaying, it doesn't save you any bandwidth.

	I'm using the following on my personal machine; this box is not
	used as an outgoing SMTP server by any dial-in users' eudora or
	anything like that, so it might not be a solution for some of
	you.  This is all in the mc file, but it should be pretty clear
	how to cut & paste it directly into the cf if you want.  Watch
	out for tabs.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
LOCAL_CONFIG
# From http://www.informatik.uni-kiel.de/%7Eca/email/chk-db.html
#
# file containing full e-mail addresses of well-known spammers:
# spammer@address.domain SPAMMER
# or junk domain:
# junk.domain JUNK
Kjunk hash /etc/spammertable

LOCAL_RULESETS
# From http://www.informatik.uni-kiel.de/%7Eca/email/chk-db.html
#
# check for junk domain/spammers
Sjunk
# lookup domain in database
R$*<@$+>$*		$:$1<@$(junk $2$)>$3
# exists? return
R$*<@JUNK>$*		$@$1<@JUNK>$2
# lookup address in database
R$*<@$+>$*		$:$1<@$(junk $1@$2 $:$2$)>$3
# exists? return
R$*<@SPAMMER>$*		$@$1<@SPAMMER>$2
# mv one subdomain in front, try again
R$*<@$-.$-.$+>$*	$: $2<@> $>junk $1<@$3.$4>$5
# undo damage
R$*<@>$*<@$+>$*		$2<@$1.$3>$4

Scheck_mail
# From http://www.informatik.uni-kiel.de/%7Eca/email/chk-db.html
#
# don't check these
R<$*@$=w>	$@ ok				shortcut
R$*		$: $>3 $1			canonify
R$-		$@ ok				local host
# no host without a . in the FQHN ?
R$*<@$->$*	$#error $@ 5.1.8 $: 518 invalid host name $2, check your configuration.
# this is dangerous! no real name
# R$*<@$*$~P>$*	$#error $@ 4.1.8 $: 418 unresolvable host name $2$3, check your setup.
# now remove the dot
R$*<@$*.>$*	$: $1<@$2>$3
# and check the database
R$*<@$*>$*	$: $>junk $1<@$2>$3
R$*<@$*JUNK>$*	$#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "571 This domain is banned, contact your local admin."	go away
R$*<@$*SPAMMER>$*	$#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "571 You are banned, contact your local admin."	go away

Scheck_rcpt
# From David B. O'Donnell <PMDAropos@aol.com>
# (I'm only using David's check_rcpt routine, not the check_mail)
R<$+ @ $=w >		$@ OK
R<$+ @ $m >		$@ OK
R$*			$: $(dequote "" $&{client_name} $)
R$=w			$@ OK
R$@			$@ OK
R$*			$#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "550 Relaying denied"
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

	If I were building a machine that is going to relay mail for
	some people (either as a backup MX host or a direct SMTP
	server), I'd probably use the recipes on:

		http://www.informatik.uni-kiel.de/%7Eca/email/check.html

	One thing that this doesn't catch is mail sent from a valid
	domain, to friend@public.com (I'm sure you've all seen that one.)
	So, I added an /etc/procmailrc file which reads simply:

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
# Global procmail recipes

LOGFILE=/var/log/etc-procmailrc
LOGABSTRACT=all
VERBOSE=off

:0
* ^TOfriend@public.com
{ EXITCODE = 68 HOST }

LOGABSTRACT=no
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

	EXITCODE = 68 will instruct sendmail to return a bounce message
	reading "no such host."  *grin*  Check out the sysexits man
	page (which only FreeBSD seems to have) for more.

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Jim Dixon <jdd@vbc.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote:

>> Damian Hamill wrote:

>> > Does anyone know if there is there source available for a news server
>> > that builds on 95/NT ?

>> I don't think that exists (yet). AFAIK to run a news server on NT,
>> depending on the number of users you want, you require a license for a
>> Microsoft product. (The University of Oregon found that out and moved to
>> Linux.)
>> Use FreeBSD.

>> 	Pedro.

>Absolutely.  NT will require 50% (100%?) more DRAM and will never 
>be able to carry a fully load without falling over.  FreeBSD makes
>an excellent news server.

Yes, FreeBSD (and NetBSD) make excellent news servers.  After all,
Usenet news was born on Unix.  And the BSDs make an excellent low-cost
low-resource platform for small shops, and low-cost ventures, to host
news servers on.  We're all aware of that.  However...

While it's true that NT will probably require more memory to get the
system up and running, and while it's also true that you will probably
have to buy software (although I'm sure Netscape and others would be
as happy to sell you a news server as Microsoft would), it's complete
and utter bull to assert that NT will "fall over" under a full news
feed.  It show's that you simply have no clue what you're talking
about.  In fact, I would bet that you have no experience whatsoever
doing anything demanding with NT.

Speaking as one who helped write a very powerful news server product
for NT, which is part of the most powerful messaging platform on the
planet (speaking of Microsoft Exchange, in case I lost you)....

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Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote:
> 
> While it's true that NT will probably require more memory to get the
> system up and running, and while it's also true that you will probably
> have to buy software (although I'm sure Netscape and others would be
> as happy to sell you a news server as Microsoft would), it's complete
> and utter bull to assert that NT will "fall over" under a full news
> feed.  It show's that you simply have no clue what you're talking
> about.  In fact, I would bet that you have no experience whatsoever
> doing anything demanding with NT.
> 
Well...I imagine if you use a Compaq Proliant with 512M and lot's of
SCSI disks and so on, even DOS will resist the load. In the real world,
though, the performance of any UNIX will easily beat NT:
	http://www.lanquest.com/reports/lotus_notes/sco85a.htm
I don't know NetBSD, but FreeBSD outperforms SCO (especially at high
loads).
	

> Speaking as one who helped write a very powerful news server product
> for NT, which is part of the most powerful messaging platform on the
> planet (speaking of Microsoft Exchange, in case I lost you)....
> 
Just type: +NT vs +UNIX in altavista and cry :-)

	Pedro.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote:

> While it's true that NT will probably require more memory to get the
> system up and running, and while it's also true that you will probably
> have to buy software (although I'm sure Netscape and others would be
> as happy to sell you a news server as Microsoft would), it's complete
> and utter bull to assert that NT will "fall over" under a full news
> feed.  It show's that you simply have no clue what you're talking
> about.  In fact, I would bet that you have no experience whatsoever
> doing anything demanding with NT.

That's quite true.  I do however have experience of doing things with
NT that _aren't_ demanding and watching it fall over.
 
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> Anyone got much experience of using this? We're thinking of using it to
> maintain levels of service for a web farm: 1Mb pipe out to the net shared
> across a set of machine on 100Mb ethernet (they talk to eachother as well). 

It looks like what you want (bw management, or probably better,
fair routing) should be done at the router, not at the server side.
So what are you using to drive your pipe out ?

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>> Anyone got much experience of using this? We're thinking of using it to
>> maintain levels of service for a web farm: 1Mb pipe out to the net shared
>> across a set of machine on 100Mb ethernet (they talk to eachother as well). 
>
>It looks like what you want (bw management, or probably better,
>fair routing) should be done at the router, not at the server side.
>So what are you using to drive your pipe out ?

Looks like I've not explained myself too well: the idea is to use a FreeBSD
box as a gateway (maybe even the router).

i.e.:		  outside world
			|
		   FreeBSD box
			|
		|---------------|  <-- network with web servers on them

Manar


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I just downloaded bisdn-097 from the german site and
it doesn't look like it is going to work on this version
of FreeBSD.

Has anyone been using this and if so how do I go about
installing it, the supplied patches don't work =(

Other than that this is a FreeBSD-970209-SNAP machine,
but I think the general problem here is that bisdn seems
to support FreeBSD 2.1 only, which is quite old!

Anyone out there with working a working Teles 16.3 ISDN
card who can let me know how to get it to work ?

Thanks.

Steve Roome.


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>Please try ftp.hilink.com.au:/pub/FreeBSD/bandd.tgz and let me know what 
>you think.  It requires FreeBSD 2.2 with IPFIREWALL IPDIVERT options.
>
>There is no documentation.

code looks straight forward enough. It doesn't allow for burstability
though ... might not be too hard to add in and it would be nice to be using
something we have the source for rather than a commercial binary ...

Anyone got any views about bandd versus emerging technology's product?
Guess we should have a good play over the w/e to at least get a good idea
of the installation/features if not performance ober time / under load.

Manar



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> While it's true that NT will probably require more memory to get the
> system up and running, and while it's also true that you will probably
> have to buy software (although I'm sure Netscape and others would be
> as happy to sell you a news server as Microsoft would), it's complete
> and utter bull to assert that NT will "fall over" under a full news
> feed.  It show's that you simply have no clue what you're talking
> about.  In fact, I would bet that you have no experience whatsoever
> doing anything demanding with NT.
> 
> Speaking as one who helped write a very powerful news server product
> for NT, which is part of the most powerful messaging platform on the
> planet (speaking of Microsoft Exchange, in case I lost you)....

Michael;

    I don't mean to burst your bubble, but it's been proven time and
time again that a majority of UNIX's will significantly out-perform
an NT machine on the same hardware.  Just think if you would have
spent your time writing your "very powerful news server product" for
FreeBSD instead of NT...

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At 04:39 05/06/97 +0800, sweeting@neuronet.com.my wrote:

>The problem is that they are having a lot of difficulty
>collecting mail from the mailhub I set up for them 
>on a P166 FreeBSD box with 64 MB RAM.

>Een over a LAN, when I ping the FreeBSD box, the very
>first request _always_ times out.
>(Almost as if the machine is waking up)
>
>So, the only causes of trouble I can think of are :
>
>1) network card. (it's a 3Com).
>   which do you all recommend ?

Not impossible. I've had strange timeout problems on first connect with
3Coms, but the "_always_" part makes me uncertain about this.

>2) DNS -  is handled by a DEC Alpha 500 (runnign DU) which is 
>   possibly in need of RAM (it's handling mail, and 4 webservers, X term,
>   and DNS for 50 domains.... somebody once told me that each domain
>   should have 1 MB RAM.)

This seems quite likely. I would definitely move your DNS to the FBSD box,
or at the very least set up a cacheing slave to your existing one..

>3) Jammed network at the ISP

Not impossible ;-) but this isn't likely because you're getting the same
problem on your LAN.

>4) I configured it inefficiently (config files below)

We'd need to see /etc/hosts.conf and /etc/resolv.conf on the FBSD host for
clues about whether the DNS is to blame.

Regards,

Robin.
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On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Muditha Gunatilake wrote:

> Hi,
> We are using POP and SMTP for our mail. The /var partition is almost
> full and everyday have to get people to remove large mails files to keep
> alive. What is the best way to add a new hard disk or reallocate some
> space from /home which has quite a bit of space left
> 
  I just did this same thing.  I moved my log files to the home directory 
and them deleted the log directory and created a link from /home/log to 
/var/log with this command 'ln -s /home/log /var/log'  That did the trick.



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> >
> >1) network card. (it's a 3Com).
> >   which do you all recommend ?
> 
> Not impossible. I've had strange timeout problems on first connect with
> 3Coms, but the "_always_" part makes me uncertain about this.

Take a step back... Use a tool like trafshow to actualy see the amount of
traffic your ethernet is carrying. On an lightly loaded ethernet it
shouldn't matter much.

Personaly, I'd recommend a PCI based NE2000 clone. I got mine for $29 from
www.onsale.com, or if you live in an area were cheap (new) hardware is
readily available, like buaas@wireless.wdc.net got his PCI based NE2000
clone from either PC Club or Fry's (in southern California) for around the
same price. 

Uses the same driver as the ISA version, but takes up one interface higher
than what you define in kernel config.

Bernie
 


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Anybody out there using Wellfleet routers?
I've got an access feeder node and a feeder node
from a fire sale and no docs. How do I get
into these things. They boot from a floppy and
ask for a passwd when they come up.

Any ideas or pointers would be appreciated?


dale mcswain

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Jim Dixon wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote:
> 
> > Damian Hamill wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone know if there is there source available for a news server
> > > that builds on 95/NT ?
> > >
> > I don't think that exists (yet). AFAIK to run a news server on NT,
> > depending on the number of users you want, you require a license for a
> > Microsoft product. (The University of Oregon found that out and moved to
> > Linux.)
> > Use FreeBSD.
> >
> >       Pedro.
> 
> Absolutely.  NT will require 50% (100%?) more DRAM and will never
> be able to carry a fully load without falling over.  FreeBSD makes
> an excellent news server.

I don't dispute this.  I think the target user will not be using it for
a full feed though.

regards
damian

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I am setting up a new Internet Business in my area.  This business would
consits of a CyberCafe and Dial-Up Internet access.

My Solution for the Dial-Up access is to use the Livingston PM-3 with a
Radius Server for authentication.

The CyberCafe would have 10 workstations running either Win95/FreeBSD.  My
only problem is how do I autenticate the CyberCafe users? Can Radius be used?

How do I autenticate users on theses workstations using Radius?

What OS should I use on the workstations (Win95/FreeBSD)?

Is there Radius Client drivers for Win95?

Can FreeBSD act as a Radius Client to allow users to login to the
workstations?

My Ideal for the users home dirctories (using FreeBSD) was to have one server
export a NFS volume, and the 10 workstations would all mount it.

Would I need to set up a common password and group file for all 11 computers?

Your help is appreciated.

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Damian Hamill wrote:
> 
> I don't dispute this.  I think the target user will not be using it for
> a full feed though.
> 
Search the old postings in the hacker's list, this was discussed some
time ago (with some stats in hand). Almost no one uses NT for a full
feed, in fact the top news servers use FreeBSD.

	Pedro.


> regards
> damian
> 
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Contact Baynetworks. Wellfleet and Synopsis(?) merged into BayNetworks.

> 
> Anybody out there using Wellfleet routers?
> I've got an access feeder node and a feeder node
> from a fire sale and no docs. How do I get
> into these things. They boot from a floppy and
> ask for a passwd when they come up.
> 
> Any ideas or pointers would be appreciated?
> 
> 
> dale mcswain
> 

Ulf.

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First and foremost, thank you very much to everyone for
the fantastic response. Sorry for the late reply follow
up but I wanted to try as much as possible before
disturbing you all.

I went to the customer's offices today and tested over
a dialup to the ISP (jaring.my) - Eudora downloaded all
of the mail with no problem whatsoever.

However, when I returned to the office, there were
a load of error messages on the console as follows :

NAA00753: SYSERR(root): collect: I/O error on connection 
from btr-21-101.tm.net.my, from=<sumi@mdc.com.my.: 
Connection reset by btr-21-101.tm.net.my

Fyi, tm.net.my is the second ISP in Malaysia
(yep, pretty monopolistic over here).
They used to route via the US to get to the other 
local ISP (jaring.my) which my servers are connected to
but now the two are connected locally as this traceroute
shows :

tracert mail.tm.net.my

  1   <10 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  202.184.153.1 
  2   100 ms   111 ms   110 ms  161.142.33.165 
  3   101 ms   110 ms   100 ms  e0.brf29.jaring.my [161.142.2.30] 
  4   110 ms   111 ms   110 ms  mix-tmnet.tm.net.my [202.188.2.221] 
  5   110 ms   110 ms   111 ms  brf-secure01-ether0-0.tm.net.my
[202.188.0.4] 
  6   110 ms   110 ms   110 ms  janeway.tm.net.my [202.188.0.155] 

Trace complete.

So that still doesn't explain why dialling up to tm.net.my
would be the cause of errors.


At 06:35 PM 6/4/97 -0700, Dan Busarow wrote:
>On Thu, 5 Jun 1997 sweeting@neuronet.com.my wrote:
>> The problem is that they are having a lot of difficulty
>> collecting mail from the mailhub I set up for them 
>> on a P166 FreeBSD box with 64 MB RAM.
>> We are a webcompany with 2 MB line to the same
>> ISP that our customer is dialling into. (We are not the ISP)
>I'm not familiar with the 3Com cards, haven't used them in years,
>but my impression is that they are towards the bottom of the
>list for FBSD.  You should give an NE2000 clone a try, cheap
>and effective even if they aren't the fastest around.

a couple of people suggested NE2000 - i have ordered one.

>So that would suggest DNS configuration problems.  Can't
>check that with dummy names and IP addresses.

the mailhub is on a machine called peace.com.my
and one of the virtual domains that it is handling 
email for is mdc.com.my

>So, move DNS to FBSD and if that doesn't fix it outright
>post with real names and addresses.

many people suggested this and i am going to do it this
weekend.

t 10:23 AM 6/5/97 +0800, John Beukema wrote:
>> 2) DNS -  is handled by a DEC Alpha 500 (runnign DU) which is 
>>    possibly in need of RAM (it's handling mail, and 4 webservers, X term,
>>    and DNS for 50 domains.... somebody once told me that each domain
>>    should have 1 MB RAM.)
>> 
>
>Could be DNS. try pinging with an IP address not a name.  
>Put the IP number and domain name in /etc/hosts and put host 
>ahead of bind in /etc/host.conf

my /etc/hosts was ok and it seemed weird to put host
above bind but tried it just in case.

>Otherwise, it could be a routing problem.  The route should be static, 
>silent (or something), permanent and not depend on routed or gated which 
>might expire and then take time to re-establish.  To tell, check the 
>route before and after pinging.  

i am indeed using static routes 
(i've always had trouble with routed and gated on freebsd)

>>3) Jammed network at the ISP
>
>Not impossible ;-) but this isn't likely because you're getting the same
>problem on your LAN.

On the LAN, i only get one type of problem : the initial 
ping request times out. I can download mail no problem at all
from any of the virtual domains on the mailhub over the LAN.

It is only when dialling up to the ISP that the main problem occurs
(of the mail client not being able to download the mail).

>>4) I configured it inefficiently (config files below)
>
>We'd need to see /etc/hosts.conf and /etc/resolv.conf on the FBSD host for
>clues about whether the DNS is to blame.

i am not running dns on the mailhub yet but feel the
console error message above may reveal the real problem.

thank you once again to one and all for all of the help !!!

chas

surreal thought .. couldn't be the mail clients, could it ?
(they are using Eudora 3.0 and netscape 3 ) 






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"Pedro F. Giffuni" wrote in message ID
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> Search the old postings in the hacker's list, this was discussed some
> time ago (with some stats in hand). Almost no one uses NT for a full
> feed, in fact the top news servers use FreeBSD.

Actually, I 99% sure that at least 7 of the top 9 are SPARC/Solaris
boxes (the only ones I am not sure of are syr.edu and clark.net. No 10
(feed1.news.erols.com) is a x86 running Linux :-/ The first FreeBSD
box I know of is newsfeeds.sol.net at 24. I can identify at least 4 or
5 others though. I'm sure Joe could highlight more that I don't know
of :-)

Gary
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> On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote:
> 
> > While it's true that NT will probably require more memory to get the
> > system up and running, and while it's also true that you will probably
> > have to buy software (although I'm sure Netscape and others would be
> > as happy to sell you a news server as Microsoft would), it's complete
> > and utter bull to assert that NT will "fall over" under a full news
> > feed.  It show's that you simply have no clue what you're talking
> > about.  In fact, I would bet that you have no experience whatsoever
> > doing anything demanding with NT.
> 
> That's quite true.  I do however have experience of doing things with
> NT that _aren't_ demanding and watching it fall over.
>  
> --
> Jim Dixon                  VBCnet GB Ltd           http://www.vbc.net
> tel +44 117 929 1316                             fax +44 117 927 2015
> 
I'd be interested in some examples here--and what the examples are 
running on.  I use fbsd and nt in  both mixed and homogeneous 
environments and find both quite stable, although bsd does come out 
ahead.  But both have their strenghts, with some overlap.  
And weaknesses.

Not to start (or continue) a flame war, but if nt "falls over" in 
undemanding situations I'd like to know them.  Hmmm, I did have to 
reboot an NT web server yesterday--first time this year--but think 
just a restart of Fasttrack would have done the trick.

If ol' Bill keeps his promise to pump 1x10**9 bucks into NT next year 
will the performance issue still be around?

Cheers,

Riley
 

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> On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote:
> 
> > While it's true that NT will probably require more memory to get the
> > system up and running, and while it's also true that you will probably
> > have to buy software (although I'm sure Netscape and others would be
> > as happy to sell you a news server as Microsoft would), it's complete
> > and utter bull to assert that NT will "fall over" under a full news
> > feed.  It show's that you simply have no clue what you're talking
> > about.  In fact, I would bet that you have no experience whatsoever
> > doing anything demanding with NT.
> 
> That's quite true.  I do however have experience of doing things with
> NT that _aren't_ demanding and watching it fall over.
>  
> --
> Jim Dixon                  VBCnet GB Ltd           http://www.vbc.net
> tel +44 117 929 1316                             fax +44 117 927 2015
> 
I'd be interested in some examples here--and what the examples are 
running on.  I use fbsd and nt in  both mixed and homogeneous 
environments and find both quite stable, although bsd does come out 
ahead.  But both have their strenghts, with some overlap.  
And weaknesses.

Not to start (or continue) a flame war, but if nt "falls over" in 
undemanding situations I'd like to know them.  Hmmm, I did have to 
reboot an NT web server yesterday--first time this year--but think 
just a restart of Fasttrack would have done the trick.

If ol' Bill keeps his promise to pump 1x10**9 bucks into NT next year 
will the performance issue still be around?

Cheers,

Riley
 

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Ulf Zimmermann wrote in message ID
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> Contact Baynetworks. Wellfleet and Synopsis(?) merged into BayNetworks.

Synoptics

The URL you want is http://www.baynetworks.com/

Gary
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On Thu, 05 Jun 1997 10:43:03 -0700, you wrote:

>Damian Hamill wrote:
>> 
>> I don't dispute this.  I think the target user will not be using it for
>> a full feed though.
>> 
>Search the old postings in the hacker's list, this was discussed some
>time ago (with some stats in hand). Almost no one uses NT for a full
>feed, in fact the top news servers use FreeBSD.

#2 machine in April and #3 in May on Top 1000 Usenet sites is running
NNTPrelay on NT. For more info check out
http://nntprelay.maxwell.syr.edu

Tomaz 

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Thank you all for the reply in-regards to reply about partitions...I
have used the temporary option of making a link and moving /var/mail to
/home and seems to work fine!!!:-)..until I hook-up another hard-disk.
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Thank you all for your help regarding NIS and radius. Now, I have 
another, more urgent problem. Our server is crashing (and 
rebooting itself) frequently - some times as often as 3x in one day. 
We're running 2.2-970215-GAMMA (We've had no luck installing later 
versions, and this is the most stable kernel we've been able to build) 
on a Cyrix P150 with 32 megs of ram. There are never any errors recorded 
in /var/log/messages, just the reboot. No core dump is left behind, 
either. Are any logs kept that I can use to figure out what processes 
were running and which users were logged in at the time of the crash? Is 
it worth it to take the machine down for a few hours and build a new 
kernel? Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

PS - One more thing: Once, a message appeared on the console at crash 
time about an invalid page fault while in kernel mode. The current 
process was #4 (update).


Frustrated, Robert Ricci
rricci@theonlynet.com

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On Thu, 5 Jun 1997 Hetzels@aol.com wrote:

> I am setting up a new Internet Business in my area.  This business would
> consits of a CyberCafe and Dial-Up Internet access.
> 
> My Solution for the Dial-Up access is to use the Livingston PM-3 with a
> Radius Server for authentication.
> 
> The CyberCafe would have 10 workstations running either Win95/FreeBSD.  My
> only problem is how do I autenticate the CyberCafe users? Can Radius be used?
> 
> How do I autenticate users on theses workstations using Radius?

[other questions deleted]

I think you have things a little backwards.  Only the terminal server 
and radius server need to understand Radius.  The workstations don't.
Run radiusd on a FreeBSD box which has an ethernet connection to the PM, 
or just define users in the PM itself.  It depends on how many users you 
want to authenticate.  Most cafes I know of charge by the 1/2 hour and it 
does not matter who is using the terminal.

Yes, you do need a single password file, unless you can define alternate 
radius servers in the PM, so you can have redundancy or two password 
files with different admins.

The win95 box will just use standard PAP authentication.

Danny

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Robert P. Ricci wrote:
> 
> Thank you all for your help regarding NIS and radius. Now, I have
> another, more urgent problem. Our server is crashing (and
> rebooting itself) frequently - some times as often as 3x in one day.
> We're running 2.2-970215-GAMMA (We've had no luck installing later
> versions, and this is the most stable kernel we've been able to build)
> on a Cyrix P150 with 32 megs of ram. There are never any errors recorded
> in /var/log/messages, just the reboot. No core dump is left behind,
> either. Are any logs kept that I can use to figure out what processes
> were running and which users were logged in at the time of the crash? Is
> it worth it to take the machine down for a few hours and build a new
> kernel? Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> PS - One more thing: Once, a message appeared on the console at crash
> time about an invalid page fault while in kernel mode. The current
> process was #4 (update).

I dealt with a similar problem over six months ago.
It turned out to be a bad motherboard/processor.

Replaced it and well.. hasn't crashed since *knock knock*
Went from a P150+ to a P166+ both were on Triton II boards.

Those P150+'s are kind of wocked.
P166+'s work wonderfully, though!

Hardware is most suspect.
You need to find out what will make it stop spontaneously combusting by
starting to swap hardware out..

Travis
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(Hmm.. I don't want a FBSD vs NT war, ...not on this list :-) ).
It's my mistake, although the original discussion in the hackers list
was about news servers, the conclusion was that we rule the DNS market,
not the news market ;-/. Anyway it isn't a secret that NT is much more
popular that Linux, FreeBSD and OS2 together.
As I stated privately to an NT enthusiast, even if the performance tests
gave the contrary results of what we see today, I would still prefer
FreeBSD because it's free and I don't depend on M$. I'm not at all
interested in going to the old scheme of buying a C compiler and many
user licenses in addition to the OS.

	Pedro.

Gary Palmer wrote:
> 
> "Pedro F. Giffuni" wrote in message ID
> <3396FAA7.4710@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co>:
> > Search the old postings in the hacker's list, this was discussed some
> > time ago (with some stats in hand). Almost no one uses NT for a full
> > feed, in fact the top news servers use FreeBSD.
> 
> Actually, I 99% sure that at least 7 of the top 9 are SPARC/Solaris
> boxes (the only ones I am not sure of are syr.edu and clark.net. No 10
> (feed1.news.erols.com) is a x86 running Linux :-/ The first FreeBSD
> box I know of is newsfeeds.sol.net at 24. I can identify at least 4 or
> 5 others though. I'm sure Joe could highlight more that I don't know
> of :-)
> 
> Gary
> --
> Gary Palmer                                          FreeBSD Core Team Member
> FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info



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This can be done, consult with Ethinc, they have FreeBSD hackers and the
last time I saw they were even re-selling FreeBSD.

	Pedro.


Manar Hussain wrote:
> 
> >> Anyone got much experience of using this? We're thinking of using it to
> >> maintain levels of service for a web farm: 1Mb pipe out to the net shared
> >> across a set of machine on 100Mb ethernet (they talk to eachother as well).
> >
> >It looks like what you want (bw management, or probably better,
> >fair routing) should be done at the router, not at the server side.
> >So what are you using to drive your pipe out ?
> 
> Looks like I've not explained myself too well: the idea is to use a FreeBSD
> box as a gateway (maybe even the router).
> 
> i.e.:             outside world
>                         |
>                    FreeBSD box
>                         |
>                 |---------------|  <-- network with web servers on them
> 
> Manar



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>This can be done, consult with Ethinc, they have FreeBSD hackers and the
>last time I saw they were even re-selling FreeBSD.

If "Ethinc" = my ETinc = www.etinc.com then I am well aware that "this can
be done" - my question was in fact has anyone done it with this approach
and if so what were there positive/negative experiences. 

>Manar Hussain wrote:
>> 
>> >> Anyone got much experience of using this? We're thinking of using it to
>> >> maintain levels of service for a web farm: 1Mb pipe out to the net shared
>> >> across a set of machine on 100Mb ethernet (they talk to eachother as well).
>> >
>> >It looks like what you want (bw management, or probably better,
>> >fair routing) should be done at the router, not at the server side.
>> >So what are you using to drive your pipe out ?
>> 
>> Looks like I've not explained myself too well: the idea is to use a FreeBSD
>> box as a gateway (maybe even the router).
>> 
>> i.e.:             outside world
>>                         |
>>                    FreeBSD box
>>                         |
>>                 |---------------|  <-- network with web servers on them

Manar



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"Pedro F. Giffuni" wrote in message ID
<33975D5E.2039@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co>:
> (Hmm.. I don't want a FBSD vs NT war, ...not on this list :-) ).

Me neither :)

> As I stated privately to an NT enthusiast, even if the performance tests
> gave the contrary results of what we see today, I would still prefer
> FreeBSD because it's free and I don't depend on M$. I'm not at all
> interested in going to the old scheme of buying a C compiler and many
> user licenses in addition to the OS.

Actually, there is another reason to ignore MOST commercial OSs for
USENET News server deployment (unless you can also get the source
license). Basically, there are SOO many tweaks you can make to get
extra performance out of the box (like Clayton O'Neills cunning patch
to allow you to open files by inode numbers, saving you doing
directory tree traversal, and keeping the majority of CPU in userland
rather tha in the kernel) that a commercial OS would stop you from
doing.

(Unless, of course, you go with Sprint, MCI and BBN and get the
 Cyclone News `router')

Gary
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Pedro F. Giffuni wrote:
>
> I'm not at all
> interested in going to the old scheme of buying a C compiler and many
> user licenses in addition to the OS.

I guess my age is showing a bit... to me, the "old scheme" is the bygone
era of purchasing Unix, and getting a bundled C compiler and full
multi-user support.  The skies dimmed when some companies started making
the base Unix product a 1-user only system, and selling you multi-user
licenses.  Then came the Truly Dark Days when Sun decided to unbundle
the C compiler, and make more money by selling it separately, a practice
that swept through the industry like a plague.  Then this upstart
Microsoft came into the picture, and proved that you don't need a
great product, just great marketing.  Now we're hopefully in the Dawn
of a New Age of computing, with a growing selection of OS's, compilers
and other tools that are effectively free, in some ways like the
"old days" -I- remember, only better yet in many important ways (such
as Unix itself being free).

[Ok, so I oversimplify more than just a tad...  ;-)]

-- 
Michael Bryan
michael@blueneptune.com

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> Thank you all for your help regarding NIS and radius. Now, I have 
> another, more urgent problem. Our server is crashing (and 
> rebooting itself) frequently - some times as often as 3x in one day. 
> We're running 2.2-970215-GAMMA (We've had no luck installing later 
> versions, and this is the most stable kernel we've been able to build) 

WHAT?????  2.2-970215-GAMMA is old.  What kinds of problems are you having
when trying to build 2.2.2-RELEASE? 

> on a Cyrix P150 with 32 megs of ram. There are never any errors recorded 
> in /var/log/messages, just the reboot. No core dump is left behind, 
> either. Are any logs kept that I can use to figure out what processes 
> were running and which users were logged in at the time of the crash? Is 
> it worth it to take the machine down for a few hours and build a new 
> kernel? Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Where you actualy there during the reboot? If it panic'ed you can see from
the panic which process caused the panic (sometimes), but this doesn't
tell you why.  

> PS - One more thing: Once, a message appeared on the console at crash 
> time about an invalid page fault while in kernel mode. The current 
> process was #4 (update).

Just curious, have you recently changed/upgraded RAM? 
When you get a chance, please try adding a wait state to your system and
seen if that helps.  On this system I have had problems max'ing out the
memory banks (although I used memory rated 60 ns.) and then getting
similar panics.

Good luck!

Bernie


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Is there a version of MS FrontPage extensions for Apache that will 
run on FreeBSD?

We've had several customer requests and I'd like to be able to say
yes - if it will work.

Thanks,
Bruce Ray
 System Administrator, Intersurf Online
  http://www.intersurf.com/~deepc


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On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Bruce R. Ray wrote:

> Is there a version of MS FrontPage extensions for Apache that will 
> run on FreeBSD?
> 
> We've had several customer requests and I'd like to be able to say
> yes - if it will work.

Use the BSDi binary kit.  Works fine. 

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On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Bruce R. Ray wrote:

> Is there a version of MS FrontPage extensions for Apache that will 
> run on FreeBSD?
Yes.
> 
> We've had several customer requests and I'd like to be able to say
> yes - if it will work.
MS FP Ext for BSDI.

	Best wishes, Eugeny Kuzakov
		Laboratory 321 ( Omsk, Russia )
		kev@lab321.ru


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On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Bruce R. Ray wrote:

> Is there a version of MS FrontPage extensions for Apache that will 
> run on FreeBSD?
> 
> We've had several customer requests and I'd like to be able to say
> yes - if it will work.

The BSD/OS one runs just fine.  The install script is perl, so it works
without modification.

I've got 20+ clients running on a FBSD frontpage server without any
issues.

--
j.


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Are these extensions dependent on the client (where all the action takes
place :-) ) or on the server?
My guess is that if it is a server dependent issue, Apache doesn't
include it (I didn't find anything in their site), but the Apache team
might implement it if someone suggest the specific additions desired.

	Pedro.

Bruce R. Ray wrote:
> 
> Is there a version of MS FrontPage extensions for Apache that will
> run on FreeBSD?
> 
> We've had several customer requests and I'd like to be able to say
> yes - if it will work.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bruce Ray
>  System Administrator, Intersurf Online
>   http://www.intersurf.com/~deepc

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I've installed and run the Extensions for BSDI with some success. There are
some problems:

1. CGI's in other directories (other then /cgi-bin/) don't work anymore. It
says Server Error not allowed (or something like that). I've seen
absolutely NO discussion on this. I've searched M$, rtr.com, and other
places...anyone?

2. The Search Bot doesn't like to work. It either does nothing or it
complains something's missing.

These reasons have caused me to only partially give it to clients...it
makes it very sticky for the ISP...especially one who delivers apps that
are .cgi's in a separate directory...

Anyone?

Thanx,

At 11:15 AM 6/6/97 +0700, Eugeny Kuzakov wrote:
>On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Bruce R. Ray wrote:
>
>> Is there a version of MS FrontPage extensions for Apache that will 
>> run on FreeBSD?
>Yes.
>> 
>> We've had several customer requests and I'd like to be able to say
>> yes - if it will work.
>MS FP Ext for BSDI.
>
>	Best wishes, Eugeny Kuzakov
>		Laboratory 321 ( Omsk, Russia )
>		kev@lab321.ru
>
>
RAK

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At 10:16 PM 6/5/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I've installed and run the Extensions for BSDI with some success. There are
>some problems:
>
>1. CGI's in other directories (other then /cgi-bin/) don't work anymore. It
>says Server Error not allowed (or something like that). I've seen
>absolutely NO discussion on this. I've searched M$, rtr.com, and other
>places...anyone?
>
>2. The Search Bot doesn't like to work. It either does nothing or it
>complains something's missing.
>
>These reasons have caused me to only partially give it to clients...it
>makes it very sticky for the ISP...especially one who delivers apps that
>are .cgi's in a separate directory...
>
>Anyone?
>
>Thanx,
>
>At 11:15 AM 6/6/97 +0700, Eugeny Kuzakov wrote:
>>On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Bruce R. Ray wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a version of MS FrontPage extensions for Apache that will 
>>> run on FreeBSD?
>>Yes.
>>> 
>>> We've had several customer requests and I'd like to be able to say
>>> yes - if it will work.
>>MS FP Ext for BSDI.
>>
>>	Best wishes, Eugeny Kuzakov
>>		Laboratory 321 ( Omsk, Russia )
>>		kev@lab321.ru
>>
>>
>RAK

I am now running the StrongHold/Apache 2.0 server and would like to know if
anyone has tried to install the FrontPage extensions on that server?  If so
what type of results? or problems did you have.

Thanks

John
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Hit "next" now if you aren't interested in an NT thread...

>Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote:

>> While it's true that NT will probably require more memory to get the
>> system up and running, and while it's also true that you will probably
>> have to buy software (although I'm sure Netscape and others would be
>> as happy to sell you a news server as Microsoft would), it's complete
>> and utter bull to assert that NT will "fall over" under a full news
>> feed.  It show's that you simply have no clue what you're talking
>> about.  In fact, I would bet that you have no experience whatsoever
>> doing anything demanding with NT.

>Well...I imagine if you use a Compaq Proliant with 512M and lot's of
>SCSI disks and so on, even DOS will resist the load. In the real world,
>though, the performance of any UNIX will easily beat NT:
>	http://www.lanquest.com/reports/lotus_notes/sco85a.htm
>I don't know NetBSD, but FreeBSD outperforms SCO (especially at high
>loads).

Hmmm... where do I begin...

The test was run on a previous major release of NT (3.5 vs. 4.0).
Major performance improvements have been made in that period of time.
Microsoft hasn't exactly been standing still on the performance front.

They test on 4-processor machines with software that they admit only
supports two processors on NT.

They use an older version of Lotus Notes, which at that point of time
was more of a Unix app recompiled to run on NT than a server product
that was written to work comfortably and natively with the way NT
works.  The 2-processor limit is just one example why (hint: the
threading and processor affinity should be totally transparent if the
software was written correctly for NT in the first place).

Of course, this plays back into my assertion that Exchange kicks
Notes' ass.  But I understand the value of using a common application
on both platforms.  However, I think it was quite convenient for the
results of this report that Notes of that vintage just wasn't very
well written for NT (there are lots of other examples why, but I won't
belabor the point here).

You need to understand these types of studies are pretty much decided
before they are written.  They are usually done entirely for the
purpose of showing to prospective clients.  You can find another study
just as slanted that will show an area where NT totally kicks butt.
Either way, they're just corporate marketing.  All the big companies
do it.

Which brings us back to SCO (the subject of the article) and Solaris.
The assertion that some people have made here about the free BSDs
being so much more efficient is, in general, quite true -- there's no
denying that.  But not just because they're "Unix".  SCO and Solaris
(and most other commercial Unix products) are bloated pigs, and aren't
any faster, on the average, than NT.

What makes the free BSDs so efficient is because they hold true to the
spirit of the original Unix much more closely than their commercial
counterparts.  An OS written by and for the people who use it.  An OS
written by hackers for hackers.  A beautiful, clean, elegant, simple,
logically well-designed OS, unencumbered by marketing departments or
user-feedback studies.  It doesn't try to be every thing for every
body.  And, it expects you to accomodate it from time to time, not the
other way around.  You gotta love an OS that makes no appologies. :-)

I've been labled an "NT-enthusiast".  Think of me more as a devil's
advocate.  I'm just as much a BSD enthusiast as an NT enthusiast.  And
if someone in an NT forum said something stupid about FreeBSD or
NetBSD, I would point out the errors just as candidly (and have done
so many times in the past).

I simply think it's dangerous to go around gloating about something
based on a falsehood (only FreeBSD can support big news servers 'cause
NT would just fall right over).

And even though I try to be candid, I about NT, Unix, and the BSDs, if
you say something stupid about Exchange Server I'll kick your ass,
cause that's my baby, and I firmly believe it's the "most powerful
messaging platform on the planet". :-)

But to put this thing to rest: yes, FreeBSD and/or NetBSD running INN
still make about the best news server you can get for an ISP or any
other Unix-savvy site.  The software is mature, and very well
understood.  The BSDs are very efficient and resource-friendly, and of
course, they're free.

However, there are other NNTP packages out there that are very capable
of handling a full feed.  Exchange Server 5.0 is one of them, and it
does it pretty damn well for the very first release of an NNTP server
(i. e. the previous version had no NNTP connectivity).  Balancing the
fact that it may not be quite as fast as Free/NetBSD + INN on a
well-tuned box, it is infinitely easier to configure and maintain.  In
addition to Exchange, Netscape and Lotus would also be happy to sell
you news servers that aren't INN, and that run on NT.  Of course, they
all cost real money.

Geeze... I'm getting almost as windy as Terry Lambert...

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From: John M. Vandette <vandj@securenet.net>
>I am now running the StrongHold/Apache 2.0 server and would like to
know if
>anyone has tried to install the FrontPage extensions on that server?
 If so
>what type of results? or problems did you have.

funny you should ask.  I was just thinking about how I needed to sit
down, and hand patch the stronghold source, and give frontpage a
whirl on it.  If I can still find your email address, I'll be sure to
let you know how it works.  (maybe even provide you diffs if it's
successful, and I can figure out how to generate the diffs :)

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From: James FitzGibbon <james@nexis.net>
>The BSD/OS one runs just fine.  The install script is perl, so it
works
>without modification.
>
>I've got 20+ clients running on a FBSD frontpage server without any
>issues.

no issues? hmm.. I never could get per-user webs to work.  seems that
it does funny things to get user info...  it's totally blind to
NIS/yp for some reason.


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> 
> The URL you want is http://www.baynetworks.com/
> 
> Gary
> --
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> FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info
> 

I'd rather say http://support.baynetworks.com

Yuri


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> >Please try ftp.hilink.com.au:/pub/FreeBSD/bandd.tgz and let me know what 
> >you think.  It requires FreeBSD 2.2 with IPFIREWALL IPDIVERT options.
> >
> >There is no documentation.
> 
> code looks straight forward enough. It doesn't allow for burstability
> though ... might not be too hard to add in and it would be nice to be using
> something we have the source for rather than a commercial binary ...

does bandd (and IPDIVERT) require packets to move to user space and
back to the kernel ? In this case you might have quite some load at
the node running bandd for your application (1Mb/s).

If you are looking for sources, have a look at the dummynet stuff
available from my page http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/research.html

As it is it works at the interface between TCP and IP, but it should
be trivial to move it one layer down (ip <--> device) and add the
required filtering options. Since packets do not move to user space
(same as for the etinc product) you don't have a significant
performance problem.

	Cheers
	Luigi
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Ill get flamed for this but - I wont touch that with a 10 foot pole - you
open security holes.

On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Bruce R. Ray wrote:

> Is there a version of MS FrontPage extensions for Apache that will 
> run on FreeBSD?
> 
> We've had several customer requests and I'd like to be able to say
> yes - if it will work.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bruce Ray
>  System Administrator, Intersurf Online
>   http://www.intersurf.com/~deepc
> 
> 


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On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Steve Hovey wrote:

> Ill get flamed for this but - I wont touch that with a 10 foot pole - you
> open security holes.

Of course you'll get flamed, 'cause you are wrong :)

You can isntall FrontPage Server Extensions secure enough to prevent damage
to your system and to other user's data.

As long as you have a secure multiuser webhosting environment (with apache
or CERN httpd, for example) you can install Vermeer's FrontPage Server
Extensions without having to worry about security.

You just have to install it like a customer's CGI Script and set the
appropriate rights for the files/directories according to your security
policies. As FP Server Extensions don't have to run as root (anymore) and
needn't be SUID (even if M$ consideres this "secure"), it's nothing else
than a user cgi-bin.
The only danger is, that you have to execute binaries from a third party
vendor that may be able to execute other programs without your knowledge,
but that's why we use Unix ;)

e.t.

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On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Troy Settle wrote:

> no issues? hmm.. I never could get per-user webs to work.  seems that
> it does funny things to get user info...  it's totally blind to
> NIS/yp for some reason.

I don't recally specifically if it used getpwnam() or just foraged through
the passwd file, but I was able to get both virtual domains and user webs
working.  The problem is that if you have virtual webs installed, the
install script doesn't know how to work with user webs anymore.  My kludge
was to write a script that 

- commented out virtual hosts
- ran the installer
- uncommented virtual hosts

The installer doesn't have to make any changes to the web server configs
if you patch Apache for the wildcard scriptalias option, so this is just a
braid dead installer that has to be worked around.

--
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On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Bruce R. Ray wrote:

> Is there a version of MS FrontPage extensions for Apache that will 
> run on FreeBSD?
> 
> We've had several customer requests and I'd like to be able to say
> yes - if it will work.

We've been using the BSDI (vt20.bsdi.tar.gz) versions with the lastest
apache beta with no problems whatsoever... Just watch your file
permissions, (install as the user you run apache as).



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Thomas Eisenbock wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Steve Hovey wrote:
> 
> > Ill get flamed for this but - I wont touch that with a 10 foot pole - you
> > open security holes.
> 
> Of course you'll get flamed, 'cause you are wrong :)
> 
> The only danger is, that you have to execute binaries from a third party
> vendor that may be able to execute other programs without your knowledge,
> but that's why we use Unix ;)

For some, the use of binaries without source is enough of a risk to
avoid it though. Consider this, you're running FreeBSD and you have
FULL access to the source if you want it, same with Apache. Yet to
use FrontPage you have to plop a binary that you cannot check or
modify on your server... For some, that may not be acceptable. Nothing
wrong about that at all, just a matter of differing opinions.


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On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Jim Jagielski wrote:

> Thomas Eisenbock wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Steve Hovey wrote:
> > 
> > > Ill get flamed for this but - I wont touch that with a 10 foot pole - you
> > > open security holes.
> > 
> > Of course you'll get flamed, 'cause you are wrong :)
> > 
> > The only danger is, that you have to execute binaries from a third party
> > vendor that may be able to execute other programs without your knowledge,
> > but that's why we use Unix ;)
> 
> For some, the use of binaries without source is enough of a risk to
> avoid it though. Consider this, you're running FreeBSD and you have
> FULL access to the source if you want it, same with Apache. Yet to
> use FrontPage you have to plop a binary that you cannot check or
> modify on your server... For some, that may not be acceptable. Nothing
> wrong about that at all, just a matter of differing opinions.
I agree with you, but you may setup Apache to not allow access to run
MS FP Ext. binary extensions...

	Best wishes, Eugeny Kuzakov
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		kev@lab321.ru


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On Fri, Jun 06, 1997 at 03:57:13AM -0400, Troy Settle wrote:
> From: James FitzGibbon <james@nexis.net>
> >The BSD/OS one runs just fine.  The install script is perl, so it
> works
> >without modification.
> >
> >I've got 20+ clients running on a FBSD frontpage server without any
> >issues.
> 
> no issues? hmm.. I never could get per-user webs to work.  seems that
> it does funny things to get user info...  it's totally blind to
> NIS/yp for some reason.

We're running one under FBSD2.2.2 and apache1.1.3.  It sortta works
(although it behaved funny under 2.1.7.1; I guess that the BSDI support
has got better since.)

Has anyone got it to report the usernames of people who maintain the
pages?  It doesn't seem to work for us.
Joe
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Eugeny Kuzakov wrote:
> 
> > For some, the use of binaries without source is enough of a risk to
> > avoid it though. Consider this, you're running FreeBSD and you have
> > FULL access to the source if you want it, same with Apache. Yet to
> > use FrontPage you have to plop a binary that you cannot check or
> > modify on your server... For some, that may not be acceptable. Nothing
> > wrong about that at all, just a matter of differing opinions.

> I agree with you, but you may setup Apache to not allow access to run
> MS FP Ext. binary extensions...
> 

I may not be getting the point, but if you don't allow Apache to
run the binary extensions, why install them?

-- 
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> And even though I try to be candid, I about NT, Unix, and the BSDs, if
> you say something stupid about Exchange Server I'll kick your ass,
> cause that's my baby, and I firmly believe it's the "most powerful
> messaging platform on the planet". :-)

Just for my wondering what is the bigest Exchange network have you seen?
I have seen a Notes setup that is the bigest I have ever seen, it was
being run by Arthur Anderson/Anderson Consulting.  When I was using it,
I got databases, emails, etc. from half way around the world (some of the
info I needed came from the UK) within a sec.  An if I remember correctly
they ran it on top of OS/2 for the server element, and they only needed
two for the entire East Bay.  I am not taking sides in this, but just as a
normal person seeing threw the waters, that was an impressive setup.


Stefan



"...Alll things are good, esp. an axe to a troubled server."
		-Said while on a caffeine high



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>I've installed and run the Extensions for BSDI with some success. There are
>some problems:
>
>1. CGI's in other directories (other then /cgi-bin/) don't work anymore. It
>says Server Error not allowed (or something like that). I've seen
>absolutely NO discussion on this. I've searched M$, rtr.com, and other
>places...anyone?
>
This sounds like an Apache configuration problem to me.  You need to
either set up the other directories under "ScriptAlias", or you need
to set "ExecCGI" in the directory and then make sure the extension
is defined as in: "AddHandler cgi-script .pl".
See the Apache docs for more info.

Sam

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UNIX rules and NT sucks, it's even worse than that non-UNIX
thing...Linux.

BUT...

this discussion is now on the chat list, so please keep isp out :-).

And now back to the theme...
Yeah, OS2 is a very cool product and has always been ages ahead of M$,
but their marketing and technical support sucks :(.

	Pedro.

Stefan Molnar wrote:
> 
> > And even though I try to be candid, I about NT, Unix, and the BSDs, if
> > you say something stupid about Exchange Server I'll kick your ass,
> > cause that's my baby, and I firmly believe it's the "most powerful
> > messaging platform on the planet". :-)
> 
> Just for my wondering what is the bigest Exchange network have you seen?
> I have seen a Notes setup that is the bigest I have ever seen, it was
> being run by Arthur Anderson/Anderson Consulting.  When I was using it,
> I got databases, emails, etc. from half way around the world (some of the
> info I needed came from the UK) within a sec.  An if I remember correctly
> they ran it on top of OS/2 for the server element, and they only needed
> two for the entire East Bay.  I am not taking sides in this, but just as a
> normal person seeing threw the waters, that was an impressive setup.
> 
> Stefan
> 
> "...Alll things are good, esp. an axe to a troubled server."
>                 -Said while on a caffeine high

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I would like suggestions of stable POP3 servers for FreeBSD 2.2+.

Thank you,
Mark Murdock
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On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Nabil Zary wrote:
> 
>  We have to provide telnet access to around 5000 Students (for pine,
>  irc, news, etc..).  We expect an average of 50-100 users logged at
>  the same time.  Should a Pentium Pro 200Mhz with 120Mb RAM do the
>  job??  (or is a Pentium 100Mhz, 98Mb RAM enough?) OS: FreeBSD 2.X

    What else are you running on that box?  If SMTP, POP3, news, HTTP,
etc. are running on other servers, a P133 with 128MB will be
comfortable for up to around 100 users (I ran two servers of this
scale at a previous employer).  Given today's prices, I'd go for a
P166 or P200 with the same amount of RAM.
-- 
Brian Tao (BT300, taob@netcom.ca)
"Though this be madness, yet there is method in't"


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For those of us working to bring out inexpensive high bandwidth
solutions, this bites. US West is afraid to compete on an
even playing field. Call your Senator, write to your PUC and
express your dissatisfaction with this action. 

HDSL is used by the telco's to provision T1 circuits so it
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Alex,

Did they take away your "dry copper" line yet?

http://www1.zdnet.com/intweek/daily/970606f.html

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<P>US West, which does business in 14 Great Plains and Pacific Northwest states, pulled tariffs for the copper known as Local Area Data Service, or LADS, in seven or eight of its states, and is working to pull the plug in its remaining service areas.</P>

<P>Dry copper lines are standard twisted pair copper lines that are in place but aren't hooked up to provide telephone service. The lines, which use a low-powered signal, are used for such things as security alarms and are relatively cheap to lease from US West, as low as $20 per month.</P>

<P>In recent months, however, Internet service providers, or ISPs,  and competitive local exchange carriers, or CLECs, have bought dry copper lines to resell to business customers equipped with Digital Subscriber Line, or xDSL, modems, devices that allow for fast Internet access.</P>

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<P>Ray Gaudia, director of AZAP Inc., a Las Vegas-based company specializing in secure store-and-forward data transfers sees the move as an effort by U S West to protect artificially high prices for other services, such as its [dedicated] T1, or 1.5-megabit-per-second, service.</P>

<P>"It is not in the telcos' advantage to allow that wide bandwidth access under the 1996 [Telecommunications Reform Act] because customers who are currently leasing [dedicated] T1 for $2,000 can lease [dry copper] T1 lines for under $100 a month, literally hundreds of millions of profits can switch from the telcos to the business community at large," Gaudia said.</P>

<P>US West said, however, that it is concerned about potential network degradation because these dry copper connections weren't intended to support high-speed services.</P>

<P>XDSL signals can disrupt other services, when wires carrying both sets of service are bundled together within the telephone network.</P>

<P>"The [dry copper connections] were intended to be just a signaling channel, like burglar alarm companies use," said Jeremy Story, spokesman for the U S West !nterprise Networking Services group. "Essentially ISPs have latched on to this to create their own circuits and are providing [lots of] bandwidth across them. What that's doing is messing up the network."</P>

<P>Having high-bandwidth connections running in two directions within a central switching office results in what is known as cross-talk, said Joe Glynn, director of product marketing for megabit services, including xDSL services, at !nterprise.</P>

<P>Cross-talk is caused by electromagnetic fields surrounding xDSL circuits that causes degradation on nearby cable bundles, he said.</P>

<P>Glynn said there are two potential solutions to the degradation issue.</P>

<P>Competing carriers put their xDSL equipment into US West's central offices, or COs, so the high-bandwidth connections move out of the CO to the customers instead of from the competing carrier to the CO and then to the customers. Or, competing carriers could resell US West's xDSL service. The carrier recently began its rollout of xDSL in Salt Lake City and expects to set resale pricing in about a month, he said. LADS pricing varies from state to state, but typically costs $28 to $60 per month, Glynn said.</P>

<P>US West is grandfathering in existing companies that are using the copper connections for high-bandwidth services. But that's a very limited group at this time, Story said.</P>

<P><A HREF="http://www.uswest.com">US West</A> can be reached at www.uswest.com</P>


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From owner-freebsd-isp  Sat Jun  7 04:00:35 1997
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Telstra in Australia has been doing that for ages.

You can buy PAPL (basically dry copper pairs) from telstra, and we used
the "alarm signaling" excuse for DC connectivity :) But now getting them
is very, VERY hard, and over more than one exchange, practically
impossible. And they *LOVE* MUXing them at exchanges, which means if
you're not careful, its 64k max bandwidth for you.

The sad thing is that Australia WOULD possibly be doing the same thing
(cheap as buggery T1-ish links, if bandwidth was cheaper over here.
American ISPs, think what would happen if you were being charged 19c a meg
for incoming data. :)

In reading the article, its said that US West will be provisioning their
own xDSL links to customers. Same as Tel$tra. Case of the telco realising
that THEY should be making more money instead of some ISP.

How about all you ISPs band together and form a telco? Lay your own cable,
and from my understanding, the telco which has the subscribers (in our
case, telstra) would pay YOU an interconnection charge whenever someone
on their network called someone on our network :) ("First 1000 people to
clock 1000 hours online will recieve a years internet subscription FREE!"
:-)

Enough rambling,

-- 
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<adrian@psinet.net.au>		|   stupid things because that would 
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At 10:48 AM 6/5/97 -0700, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote:
>This can be done, consult with Ethinc, they have FreeBSD hackers and the
>last time I saw they were even re-selling FreeBSD.
>
>	Pedro.

Not actually "re-selling" freebsd....we'll just load it on a hard disk for
you...

Dennis

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dennis wrote:
> 
> Not actually "re-selling" freebsd....we'll just load it on a hard disk for
> you...
> 
FWIW...I'm actually doing the same thing now. Installing FreeBSD is not
difficult, the great advantage is that it's an unknown OS with
undiscovered capabilities :-).
I wouldn't surprise if Dennis's competitors dis the same thing.

	Pedro. 



> Dennis

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At 09:12 AM 6/5/97 +0200, Luigi Rizzo wrote:
>> Anyone got much experience of using this? We're thinking of using it to
>> maintain levels of service for a web farm: 1Mb pipe out to the net shared
>> across a set of machine on 100Mb ethernet (they talk to eachother as
well). 
>
>It looks like what you want (bw management, or probably better,
>fair routing) should be done at the router, not at the server side.
>So what are you using to drive your pipe out ?

There is no "fair routing" in a web farm unless everyone pays the same
price, which is ridiculous. Charge based on their bandwidth access
capability..
and with the bandwidth manager there is not accounting headaches 'cause
they cant get more than they pay for.

db

>
>	Luigi
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> I would like suggestions of stable POP3 servers for FreeBSD 2.2+.

I've been very happy with the Cyrus IMAP4 server, which has POP3
support via a daemon that actually accesses the IMAP mailboxes.
(IMAP4 has significant advantages over POP3 and is growing rapidly
in popularity.  The Cyrus server lets you easily support both, and
lets customers switch from POP to IMAP with no sysadmin intervention.)

See http://andrew2.andrew.cmu.edu/cyrus/imapd/ for details.



-Pat


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At 11:54 AM 6/5/97 +0100, Manar Hussain wrote:
>>Please try ftp.hilink.com.au:/pub/FreeBSD/bandd.tgz and let me know what 
>>you think.  It requires FreeBSD 2.2 with IPFIREWALL IPDIVERT options.
>>
>>There is no documentation.
>
>code looks straight forward enough. It doesn't allow for burstability
>though ... might not be too hard to add in and it would be nice to be using
>something we have the source for rather than a commercial binary ...
>
>Anyone got any views about bandd versus emerging technology's product?
>Guess we should have a good play over the w/e to at least get a good idea
>of the installation/features if not performance ober time / under load.

Shall we compare a Porsche to a bicycle next?

db

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At 10:50 AM 6/7/97 -0700, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote:
>dennis wrote:
>> 
>> Not actually "re-selling" freebsd....we'll just load it on a hard disk for
>> you...
>> 
>FWIW...I'm actually doing the same thing now. Installing FreeBSD is not
>difficult, the great advantage is that it's an unknown OS with
>undiscovered capabilities :-).
>I wouldn't surprise if Dennis's competitors dis the same thing.

Thats not specifically why we're doing it....its a project loading any OS
from CD rom and finding all of the surprises along the way with
incompatibilities...
its a breeze for us to load it, and could be a several day project from
scratch with
a CD....


db

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> >It looks like what you want (bw management, or probably better,
> >fair routing) should be done at the router, not at the server side.
> >So what are you using to drive your pipe out ?
> 
> There is no "fair routing" in a web farm unless everyone pays the same
> price, which is ridiculous. Charge based on their bandwidth access
> capability..
> and with the bandwidth manager there is not accounting headaches 'cause
> they cant get more than they pay for.

Dennis, this sounds like an overstatement. Fair does not necessarily
mean 'all equals', there can be different weights for different
users depending on how much they pay for, and the fairness is in
making everyone get what he pays for.  Hard limiting the bw for
each user as you seem to suggest prevents eveyone from taking
advantage of statistical multiplexing, which, given the burstiness
of network traffic, is very rewarding for all.

(well this is the "isp" not "hackers" so excuse me if I don't stick
with what existing products do ... )

	Cheers
	Luigi
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Luigi Rizzo                  |  Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione
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From: rpanula@dacmail.net (Russ Panula)
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Correct me if I'm wrong but, aren't there Frontpage "bots" that will
run only on NT?