From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Nov 9 00:49:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA24512 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:49:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA24492; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:49:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA07025; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:48:33 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:48:32 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Jason McKay cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Boot Problems In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971109125313.00907c3c@argo.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 9 Nov 1997, Jason McKay wrote: > I edited my rc.conf file to add some named flags, the machine is now hanging > when named is loading ... > > How can I get back to my rc.conf file to remove the flags. * How to recover when you are locked out (system hangs during boot sequence, forgotten root password,...) 1. ctrl-alt-delete 2. At boot prompt enter '-s' for 'single user mode' 3. At 'Shell prompt' hit or type "/bin/csh" 4. mount / (mounts / read-write) 5. mount /usr (gives you /usr/* so you can use vi and shared libs) 6. Make your fixes (e.g. vipw, passwd, vi /etc/rc.conf) 7. - system continues booting. Have fun. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Nov 9 07:54:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA17341 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 07:54:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de (rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de [141.31.112.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA17336; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 07:54:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from helbig@Informatik.BA-Stuttgart.DE) Received: (from helbig@localhost) by rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA04558; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:53:24 +0100 (MET) From: Wolfgang Helbig Message-Id: <199711091553.QAA04558@rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de> Subject: Re: Boot Problems In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971109125313.00907c3c@argo.net.au> from Jason McKay at "Nov 9, 97 12:53:14 pm" To: jmckay@argo.net.au (Jason McKay) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:53:24 +0100 (MET) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello, > > I edited my rc.conf file to add some named flags, the machine is now hanging > when named is loading ... > > How can I get back to my rc.conf file to remove the flags. Try ^C to cancel named. If that doesn't work, you'll have to reboot in single user mode. Wolfgang From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Nov 9 18:21:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA24562 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:21:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from dab.iit.uni-miskolc.hu (dab.iit.uni-miskolc.hu [193.6.4.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA24534; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:21:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rutz@dab.iit.uni-miskolc.hu) Received: (from rutz@localhost) by dab.iit.uni-miskolc.hu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id DAA00900; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:21:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:21:04 +0100 (MET) From: Antal Rutz To: FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Gateway question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I want to build a little network that way: Ethernet:193.6.9.0/255.255.255.0 <-------------------------------------> | | --------- ------- |default| |FBSD | 'box1' |router | |Box | --------- ------- | | IP through lp0 | ------- |FBSD | 'box2' |Box | ------- How do I configure 'box1' to be able to act as a router between the ethernet and 'box2'. Addresses: both (box1|box2) 193.6.9.0/255.255.255.0 . I enabled ipforwarding but it didn't seem to work. Thanks for your help. --rutz From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Nov 9 20:06:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA00264 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 20:06:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from home.dragondata.com (toasty@home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA00256 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 20:06:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA05516 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 22:06:40 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199711100406.WAA05516@home.dragondata.com> Subject: Quotas over NFS and NIS questions To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 22:06:40 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Two questions here... 1) The freebsd handbook doesn't have the section on setting up quotas over nfs... Can anyone point me to some documentation? I've got the quotad rpc running, but i'm lost past that point. :) 2) The handbook also doesn't have any info on NIS. Where can I go for info on setting that up? Kevin From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 10 01:15:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA15924 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 01:15:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from homer.duff-beer.com (mail@homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA15919; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 01:15:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@poptart.org) Received: from poptart.org (choccy.poptart.org [194.207.78.222]) by homer.duff-beer.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06949; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:12:23 GMT Message-ID: <3466D0B8.E8792028@poptart.org> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:15:36 +0000 From: Scot Elliott Organization: Extreme Technologies LTD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Antal Rutz CC: FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gateway question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Antal Rutz wrote: > > > How do I configure 'box1' to be able to act as a router between > the ethernet and 'box2'. > Addresses: both (box1|box2) 193.6.9.0/255.255.255.0 . > I enabled ipforwarding but it didn't seem to work. > Thanks for your help. > > --rutz Well enabling IP forwarding is just about it really on the BSD side. But don't forget that the client machines on the ethernet need to know about how to send packets to box2. If they only have your default router configured (probable), then you need to tell the router how to send packets to box2 on behalf of the client machines. You can do this by running routed or gated (see the man pages) on box1 - to have routing information broadcast automatically. Or you can configure a static route (prefered here I think) on your router, which points to box1 as the router to box2. How you do that depends on the router. Scot From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 10 02:05:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA19151 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:05:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from teligent.se (iservern.teligent.se [194.17.198.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA19102; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:04:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jakob@teligent.se) Received: from datorn.teligent.se (datorn.teligent.se [192.168.2.31]) by teligent.se (8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA11868; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:25:22 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:28:23 +0100 (CET) From: Jakob Alvermark To: isp@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Speed on sio Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id CAA19107 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello. Is it possible to use the serial ports (sio?) at higher speeds than 115k2bps? (I'm thinking about getting an ISDN TA that supports 230k4 and 460k8) /Jakob ------------------------------------------------------- Teligent AB, P.O. Box 213, S-149 23 Nynäshamn, Sweden Telephone +46-(0)8 520 660 00 * Fax +46-(0)8 520 193 36 Direct +46-(0)8 520 660 32 * GSM +46-(0)70 792 16 57 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 10 09:35:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA13761 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:35:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from proxy.unpar.ac.id (proxy.unpar.ac.id [167.205.206.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA13729; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:35:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gatut@student.unpar.ac.id) Received: from student.unpar.ac.id (student.unpar.ac.id [167.205.206.58]) by proxy.unpar.ac.id (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA00635; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 00:15:47 +0700 (JAVT) Received: from localhost (gatut@localhost) by student.unpar.ac.id (8.8.5/8.8.5.D) with SMTP id PAA04067; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:47:16 +0700 (JAVT) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:47:16 +0700 (JAVT) From: V Gatut Harijoso To: Antal Rutz cc: FreeBSD Questions , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gateway question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Using gated or routed maybe solve the problem. Simple way is a. at default router route add -net <193.6.9.box1-address> or route add <193.6.9.box1-address> b. at box2 route add -net default I think that is newbie-isp question.. ;-) On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Antal Rutz wrote: > Hi! > > I want to build a little network that way: > > Ethernet:193.6.9.0/255.255.255.0 > <-------------------------------------> > | | > --------- ------- > |default| |FBSD | 'box1' > |router | |Box | > --------- ------- > | > | IP through lp0 > | > ------- > |FBSD | 'box2' > |Box | > ------- > How do I configure 'box1' to be able to act as a router between > the ethernet and 'box2'. > Addresses: both (box1|box2) 193.6.9.0/255.255.255.0 . > I enabled ipforwarding but it didn't seem to work. > Thanks for your help. > > > --rutz > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 10 10:29:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA17648 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:29:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA17627 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:29:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id TAA10622; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:15:18 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA10605; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:11:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19971110181136.45756@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:11:36 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: "Amjad R. Alsharif" Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PostgreSQL for Yellow Pages implementation References: <199711071458.JAA15692@doleh.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: ; from Amjad R. Alsharif on Mon, Nov 10, 1997 at 12:40:13PM +0200 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, Nov 10, 1997 at 12:40:13PM +0200, Amjad R. Alsharif wrote: > > Dear Sir / Madam, > > Please do bear withme since I do not know the best approach to present > you with my immediate need to implement PostgreSQL. > > I need to establish an Online "Yellow Pages" to serve the business > communite within Jerusalem area so I have been looking into different databases > listed under "www.freebsd.org/ports/databases.html" and I think Postgres95 > "www.postgresql.org" is the answer to this issue. But the problem is > that I can not see how it all would fit together. Postgresql is a really nice database ... > Thus, if I was to implement it, I need to know: > > 1. What Models do go best with PostgreSql which would gurantee me > not only WEB interface but also embeding search query within HTNL. You can compile the php module into apache Web server and do database queries ... > 2. Are there any Guideline for creating "Yellow Pages" on the Internet? Dunno ... > 3. Do you think that PostgreSQL is the right product for such a project? Yes I think so. -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 10 12:56:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA27956 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:56:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from alabama.nwlink.com (alabama.nwlink.com [209.20.130.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA27947 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:56:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bryn@nwlink.com) Received: from utah (bryn@nwlink.com [199.242.23.2]) by alabama.nwlink.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA13259 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:56:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:50:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Bryn Wm. Moslow" X-Sender: bryn@utah To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Adaptec problems? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm wondering if anyone has seen this kind of thing. When I finally got logged on to the box (took about 5 minutes to get a shell login and about 5 min for commands to run) I found several (20 or so) instances of inetd running and >100 sendmail processes running with a load of 8+. The only consistent error seems to be with SCSI when I've seen this. I *am* using tagged command queuing (AHC_TAGENABLE) and may stop. I've included quite a bit of reading, sorry about that, but I'm concerned about the stability of the SCSI system (Adaptec 2940UW). One thing that really disturbs me is the 'file system full' messages as the disk in error is only at 2%-4% full when this has happened. FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE sendmail 8.8.8 qpopper /\ /\ /| Bryn Wm. Moslow / \ / \ / | Senior Systems Administrator / \ / \ / | Northwest Link / \ / \ /\ / | (425) 451-1151 -or- (800) 390-1270 / \/ \/ \/ |_______ http://www.nwlink.com CPU: Pentium Pro (199.43-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x619 Stepping=9 Features=0xfbff,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV> real memory = 268435456 (262144K bytes) avail memory = 257245184 (251216K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0 rev 2 on pci0:0 chip1 rev 1 on pci0:1:0 chip2 rev 0 on pci0:1:1 vx0 <3COM 3C905 Fast Etherlink XL PCI> rev 0 int a irq 10 on pci0:9 mii[*mii*] address 00:60:08:0a:42:32 ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 11 on pci0:10 ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle (ahc0:0:0): "SEAGATE ST52160N 0285" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 2069MB (4238282 512 byte sectors) ahc0: target 1 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc0:1:0): "SEAGATE ST34572W 0718" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1(ahc0:1:0): Direct-Access 4340MB (8888924 512 byte sectors) ahc0: target 2 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc0:2:0): "SEAGATE ST34572W 0784" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd2(ahc0:2:0): Direct-Access 4340MB (8888924 512 byte sectors) vga0 rev 0 on pci0:11 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 3 (cmdcmplt) QOUTCNT == 8 ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 3 (cmdcmplt) QOUTCNT == 7 ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 3 (cmdcmplt) QOUTCNT == 6 ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 3 (cmdcmplt) QOUTCNT == 5 ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 3 (cmdcmplt) QOUTCNT == 4 ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 3 (cmdcmplt) QOUTCNT == 3 ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 3 (cmdcmplt) QOUTCNT == 2 ahc0: WARNING no command for scb 3 (cmdcmplt) QOUTCNT == 1 pid 20622 (popper), uid 24188: exited on signal 8 pid 21039 (popper), uid 24188: exited on signal 8 sd1(ahc0:1:0): SCB 0x2 - timed out while idle, LASTPHASE == 0x1, SCSISIGI == 0x0 SEQADDR = 0x6 SCSISEQ = 0x12 SSTAT0 = 0x5 SSTAT1 = 0xa Ordered Tag queued sd\M^?\^O:0): SCB 0x1 timedout while recovery in progress sd1(ahc0:1:0): SCB 0x8 timedout while recovery in progress sd1(ahc0:1:0): SCB 0x9 timedout while recovery in progress sd1(ahc0:1:0): SCB 0x2 - timed out while idle, LASTPHASE == 0x1, SCSISIGI == 0x0 SEQADDR = 0x5 SCSISEQ = 0x12 SSTAT0 = 0x27 SSTAT1 = 0xb sd1(ahc0:1:0): Queueing an Abort SCB sd1(ahc0:1:0): Abort Message Sent sd1(ahc0:1:0): SCB 0x2 - timed out in message out phase, SCSISIGI == 0xa4 SEQADDR = 0xa1 SCSISEQ = 0x12 SSTAT0 = 0x5 SSTAT1 = 0x2 ahc0: Issued Channel A Bus Reset. 9 SCBs aborted Clearing bus reset Clearing 'in-reset' flag sd1(ahc0:1:0): no longer in timeout sd0(ahc0:0:0): UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,0 sd0(ahc0:0:0): Power on, reset, or bus device reset occurred , retries:3 sd2(ahc0:2:0): UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,2 field replaceable unit: 2 , retries:3 pid 6544 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 6218 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 20131 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 29103 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 6544 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 20131 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 29103 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 6544 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 20131 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 6218 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 6544 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 29103 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 20131 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 6218 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 6544 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 29103 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 6544 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 6544 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 6544 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 6544 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full sd2(ahc0:2:0): SCB 0x4 - timed out while idle, LASTPHASE == 0x1, SCSISIGI == 0x18 SEQADDR = 0x6 SCSISEQ = 0x5a SSTAT0 = 0x15 SSTAT1 = 0xa Ordered Tag queued Ordered Tag sent pid 6544 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full sd2(ahc0:2:0): no longer in timeout pid 6544 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 14233 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 6544 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 20131 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 29103 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 4854 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 20131 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 29103 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 4854 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 12247 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 12247 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full pid 12247 (sendmail), uid 0 on /var/spool/mqueue: file system full spec_getpages: I/O read error vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) error, PID 8988 failure pid 8988 (tail), uid 1000: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 10 13:38:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA01137 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:38:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA01129 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:38:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cassy@loop.com) Received: from patty.loop.com (patty-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.69]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA05012 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:38:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:38:33 -0800 (PST) From: Cassandra Perkins To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: MHS Conversions? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any experience converting Novel's MHS formatted mail to smtp formatted mail? Is there a port available for this purpose? Thanks in advance. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Cassandra M. Perkins | People usually get what's coming to | | Network Operations | them... unless it's been mailed. | | The Loop Internet Switch Co., LLC | -fortune | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 10 14:18:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA03826 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:18:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from marlin.exis.net (root@marlin.exis.net [205.252.72.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA03779 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:17:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefan@exis.net) Received: from sailfish.exis.net (sailfish.exis.net [205.252.72.104]) by marlin.exis.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA22930; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:16:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:09:30 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Molnar To: Cassandra Perkins cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MHS Conversions? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone have any experience converting Novel's MHS formatted mail to > smtp formatted mail? Is there a port available for this purpose? >From last I tried, I could not do it. So I used Mecury on the Novell server to put out smtp, from last I checked it is freewaer, or very little cost for shareware. Once going it work great with my freebsd server as a mail relay. And since mecury uses the Bindry (I think it can use NDS I was using 3.11 at the time) for usernames and mail file space it was an okay alterntive. Figureing out the NLMs was kinda anoying. Stefan Molnar From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Nov 10 15:16:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA06907 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:16:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA06884 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:16:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (shovey@buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA03262; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:15:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:16:24 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Hovey To: "Bryn Wm. Moslow" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec problems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Bryn Wm. Moslow wrote: > > Hello, I'm wondering if anyone has seen this kind of thing. When I finally > got logged on to the box (took about 5 minutes to get a shell login and > about 5 min for commands to run) I found several (20 or so) instances of > inetd running and >100 sendmail processes running with a load of 8+. The > only consistent error seems to be with SCSI when I've seen this. I *am* > using tagged command queuing (AHC_TAGENABLE) and may stop. I've included Ok - I have a 2.2.5 with regular 2940, and a 2.1.5 with 2940 Ultra - both are news servers - The 2.2.5 with the 2940 seems ok - but the 2.1.5 with the ultra locked up inn with the errors you mention and the file system full message - also the drive its complaining about is unmountable, and I cant issue an ls command or anything on it. So its either the driver, or that particular controller. Dunno which - I know this is mostly useless info. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 11 03:38:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA16621 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 03:38:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from dab.iit.uni-miskolc.hu (dab.iit.uni-miskolc.hu [193.6.4.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA16549 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 03:35:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rutz@dab.iit.uni-miskolc.hu) Received: (from rutz@localhost) by dab.iit.uni-miskolc.hu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA11590; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:25:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:25:28 +0100 (MET) From: Antal Rutz To: V Gatut Harijoso cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gateway question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, V Gatut Harijoso wrote: > Using gated or routed maybe solve the problem. Simple way is > a. at default router > route add -net <193.6.9.box1-address> They all (router, box1, box2) are on the same (193.6.4.9.0/255.255.255.0) net. > or > route add <193.6.9.box1-address> > b. at box2 > route add -net default > > I think that is newbie-isp question.. ;-) I think it, too, but if I don't have any access to the default router the problem gets a bit more complex. I tried proxy-arp on box1 and started routed but the machines on the net were not able to ping box2. Traceroute went in the direction of box1 but not further. --rutz > > On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Antal Rutz wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > I want to build a little network that way: > > > > Ethernet:193.6.9.0/255.255.255.0 > > <-------------------------------------> > > | | > > --------- ------- (193.6.9.7) > > |default| |FBSD | 'box1' > > |router | |Box | > > --------- ------- (193.6.9.8) > > (193.6.9.254) | > > | IP through lp0 > > | > > ------- (193.6.9.9) > > |FBSD | 'box2' > > |Box | > > ------- > > How do I configure 'box1' to be able to act as a router between > > the ethernet and 'box2'. > > Addresses: both (box1|box2) 193.6.9.0/255.255.255.0 . > > I enabled ipforwarding but it didn't seem to work. > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > > --rutz > > > --rutz From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 11 04:10:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA18358 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:10:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA18351 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:10:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA10956; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:06:44 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:06:43 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Antal Rutz cc: V Gatut Harijoso , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gateway question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, Antal Rutz wrote: > On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, V Gatut Harijoso wrote: > > > Using gated or routed maybe solve the problem. Simple way is > > a. at default router > > route add -net <193.6.9.box1-address> > They all (router, box1, box2) are on the same > (193.6.4.9.0/255.255.255.0) net. And there you have the cause of the problem. A fundamental lack of understanding of IP routing. The idea of a router is to route packets between two networks which are NUMBERED DIFFERENTLY. You need to subnet your network and put one subnet on each side of the router. Yes, you can fudge your way through with proxy arp, but it is not a good practice, and you should take the time to learn about subnetting now, while you have few machines. See below for my suggested network config. Danny You wrote: > > > I want to build a little network that way: > > > > > > Ethernet:193.6.9.0/255.255.255.0 > > > <-------------------------------------> > > > | | > > > --------- ------- (193.6.9.7) > > > |default| |FBSD | 'box1' > > > |router | |Box | > > > --------- ------- (193.6.9.8) > > > (193.6.9.254) | > > > | IP through lp0 > > > | > > > ------- (193.6.9.9) > > > |FBSD | 'box2' > > > |Box | > > > ------- I suggest: > > > Ethernet:193.6.9.0/255.255.255.192 > > > <-------------------------------------> > > > | | > > > --------- ------- (193.6.9.7) > > > |default| |FBSD | 'box1' > > > |router | |Box | > > > --------- ------- (193.6.9.65) > > > (193.6.9.62) | > > > | IP through lp0 | 193.6.9.64/255.255.255.192 > > > | > > > ------- (193.6.9.66) > > > |FBSD | 'box2' > > > |Box | > > > ------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 11 07:58:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA01266 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:58:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from email.virtualmarketing.com (email.virtualmarketing.com [207.7.29.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA01245 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:58:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcin@v-m.com) Received: from v-m.com (207.7.29.107) by email.virtualmarketing.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2b2); Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:58:27 -0700 Message-ID: <346880F4.BDEAB4FB@v-m.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:59:48 -0600 From: Marcin Pasek Reply-To: marcin@v-m.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd Subject: HELP!!! HELP !! Named is crashing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I don't know why but it started yesterday....This is the TOP capture: 139 processes: 138 sleeping, 1 on cpu Cpu states: 0.0% idle, 40.0% user, 47.8% kernel, 11.2% iowait, 1.0% swap Memory: 92M real, 24M free, 51M swap, 52M free swap PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 110 root -4 0 8212K 7588K run 778:08 57.07% 55.86% in.named Any ideas what the problem might be....This system is runnig SUN Os but named is the same for all of them I think>>> Thanks Marcin From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 11 08:05:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA01823 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:05:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from wicked.eaznet.com ([209.75.156.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA01815 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:05:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eddie@eaznet.com) Received: from eaznet.com (as1-03.eaznet.com [209.75.156.207]) by wicked.eaznet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05255; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:54:32 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34688069.96D1D97A@eaznet.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:57:29 -0700 From: Eddie Fry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Hovey CC: "Bryn Wm. Moslow" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec problems? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a 2940UW running in a 2.2.2 box with a PP180 without problems. It was previously running 2.1.5 without problems also. But, I am not using it for news. And I'm not using Tagged Command Queueing. I doubt if this helps much. But thought you might like to know. Eddie Steve Hovey wrote: > On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Bryn Wm. Moslow wrote: > > > > > Hello, I'm wondering if anyone has seen this kind of thing. When I finally > > got logged on to the box (took about 5 minutes to get a shell login and > > about 5 min for commands to run) I found several (20 or so) instances of > > inetd running and >100 sendmail processes running with a load of 8+. The > > only consistent error seems to be with SCSI when I've seen this. I *am* > > using tagged command queuing (AHC_TAGENABLE) and may stop. I've included > > Ok - I have a 2.2.5 with regular 2940, and a 2.1.5 with 2940 Ultra - both > are news servers - The 2.2.5 with the 2940 seems ok - but the 2.1.5 with > the ultra locked up inn with the errors you mention and the file system > full message - also the drive its complaining about is unmountable, and I > cant issue an ls command or anything on it. > > So its either the driver, or that particular controller. Dunno which - I > know this is mostly useless info. -- Eddie Fry eddie@eaznet.com EAZNet Internet Services http://www.eaznet.com 220 West 7th Street Safford, AZ 85546 EAZing you into the future... From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 11 09:26:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA07025 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:26:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mole (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA07019 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:26:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dnelson@slip.net) Received: from slip-3.slip.net [207.171.193.17] (dnelson) by mole with smtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xVK4u-0003ax-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:26:16 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:26:12 -0800 (PST) From: Dru Nelson X-Sender: dnelson@slip-3 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec problems? In-Reply-To: <34688069.96D1D97A@eaznet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 2.2.5 changed the code for the Adaptec devices. > I have a 2940UW running in a 2.2.2 box with a PP180 without problems. It was > previously running 2.1.5 without problems also. But, I am not using it for > news. And I'm not using Tagged Command Queueing. > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 11 09:30:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA07284 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:30:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from qc.securenet.net ([198.168.76.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA07261 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:30:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vandj@securenet.net) Received: from office (office.securenet.net [205.236.147.3]) by qc.securenet.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA17782 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:30:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971111123258.02922a68@mail.securenet.net> X-Sender: vandj@mail.securenet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:32:58 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John M. Vandette" Subject: Re: HELP!!! HELP !! Named is crashing In-Reply-To: <346880F4.BDEAB4FB@v-m.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:59 AM 11/11/1997 -0600, you wrote: >I don't know why but it started yesterday....This is the TOP capture: > >139 processes: 138 sleeping, 1 on cpu >Cpu states: 0.0% idle, 40.0% user, 47.8% kernel, 11.2% iowait, 1.0% >swap >Memory: 92M real, 24M free, 51M swap, 52M free swap > > PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND > 110 root -4 0 8212K 7588K run 778:08 57.07% 55.86% in.named > >Any ideas what the problem might be....This system is runnig SUN Os but >named is the same for all of them I think>>> > I had the same thing happening under FreeBSD 2.2-RELEASE I ran CVSup and stepped over to FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE by makeing world since then named has been stable. This also included the "name" package which seemed to have been updated. You might want to get the lastest and build it for your OS and see what happens. John M. Vandette ************************************************************************** *SecureNet Information Services Inc. 100 Alexis Nihon Blvd., Suite 940* *(514) 744-4242 Vox (514) 744-1552 Fax St. Laurent, Quebec H4M 2P5 * ********** Providing Quality Public Internet access since 1994************ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 11 10:14:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA10135 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:14:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@sdn-ts-003coauroP15.dialsprint.net [206.133.160.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA10130 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:14:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bminazzi@denverweb.net) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA02595 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:17:00 -0700 Message-ID: <3468A11C.31DD0293@denverweb.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:17:00 -0700 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec problems? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dru Nelson wrote: > > 2.2.5 changed the code for the Adaptec devices. > > > I have a 2940UW running in a 2.2.2 box with a PP180 without problems. It was > > previously running 2.1.5 without problems also. But, I am not using it for > > news. And I'm not using Tagged Command Queueing. > > So... How about some info on which version has an adaptec driver that works properly, supports TCQ, and other goodies. Seems there has been little problems here for a number of releases. Also, what would y'all nominate as the best SCSI controller for FreeBSD. Thanks, Blaine From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 11 11:27:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA15310 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:27:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15299 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:27:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (shovey@buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19394; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:26:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:26:06 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Hovey To: Blaine Minazzi cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec problems? In-Reply-To: <3468A11C.31DD0293@denverweb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, Blaine Minazzi wrote: > Dru Nelson wrote: > > > > 2.2.5 changed the code for the Adaptec devices. > > > > > I have a 2940UW running in a 2.2.2 box with a PP180 without problems. It was > > > previously running 2.1.5 without problems also. But, I am not using it for > > > news. And I'm not using Tagged Command Queueing. > > > > > So... How about some info on which version has an adaptec driver that > works properly, supports TCQ, and other goodies. Seems there has been > little problems here for a number of releases. > > Also, what would y'all nominate as the best SCSI controller for FreeBSD. > I love my adaptecs - the bios programs (verify etc) really help out in a trouble From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 12 03:11:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA25992 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:11:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [193.117.77.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA25987; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:10:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA10774; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:11:59 GMT Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA00385; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:17:27 GMT Message-ID: <19971112101725.23103@iii.co.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:17:25 +0000 To: questions@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Recommendation for a UK based ISP Reply-To: chat@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Can anyone recommend (or alternatively, if you're reading this in -isp, are you) a good ISP in the UK? I'm not looking for much, just an ISP who - Gives me a subdomain of their own domain, and delivers mail to it using SMTP (so I'm not paying them every time I want to set up a new mailbox) - Doesn't do anything that would prevent me running INN or C News locally, so I can read groups at my own pace and expiry times. - Offers 3 or 4 MB of web space for a reasonable price, lets me telnet and ftp to this web space, and has up to date copies of Perl available (anything after 5.00401). Oh, and has no silly restrictions like "You will use our mail script, our web hit counter script (ugh) and that's all"). Bonus points if they run FreeBSD, obviously. Any pointers gratefully received. To keep clutter down on the mailing lists I've set the reply-to to chat. N -- --+==[ Nik Clayton is Just Another Perl Hacker at Interactive Investor ]==+-- It is easier to seek forgiveness than permission From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 12 04:33:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA00727 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:33:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA00719; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:32:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29415; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:16:30 GMT Message-Id: <199711121216.MAA29415@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recommendation for a UK based ISP In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:17:25 GMT." <19971112101725.23103@iii.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:16:29 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Demon systems (www.demon.net) provide all this for #10+VAT (#11.75) per month. They go trough bad patches with their news servers, but their availability is excelent. They don't run or support FreeBSD, but I've used FreeBSD to connect to them since 1991 (when it was 386BSD). > Hi, > > Can anyone recommend (or alternatively, if you're reading this in -isp, > are you) a good ISP in the UK? I'm not looking for much, just an ISP who > > - Gives me a subdomain of their own domain, and delivers mail to it using > SMTP (so I'm not paying them every time I want to set up a new mailbox) > > - Doesn't do anything that would prevent me running INN or C News locally, > so I can read groups at my own pace and expiry times. > > - Offers 3 or 4 MB of web space for a reasonable price, lets me telnet and > ftp to this web space, and has up to date copies of Perl available > (anything after 5.00401). Oh, and has no silly restrictions like "You > will use our mail script, our web hit counter script (ugh) and that's > all"). > > Bonus points if they run FreeBSD, obviously. Any pointers gratefully > received. > > To keep clutter down on the mailing lists I've set the reply-to to chat. > > N > -- > --+==[ Nik Clayton is Just Another Perl Hacker at Interactive Investor ]==+-- > It is easier to seek forgiveness than permission -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 12 07:05:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA08980 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:05:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA08970; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:05:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@visint.co.uk) Received: from dylan.visint.co.uk (dylan.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.180]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05713; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:04:53 GMT Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:05:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Roome To: Brian Somers cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recommendation for a UK based ISP In-Reply-To: <199711121216.MAA29415@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Brian Somers wrote: > Demon systems (www.demon.net) provide all this for #10+VAT (#11.75) > per month. > > They go trough bad patches with their news servers, but their > availability is excelent. Bad patches! Haven't they had a news backlog they can't sort for about a year now ? It's not that bad, but its' not exactly wonderful. How about one of the newcomers like virgin, or perhas just one of the freebie ones (new account once per month, but surely Nik knows someone around who can host him a website or do smtp forwarding..) Steve. -- Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd. Tel:+44(0)117 9730597 Home:+44(0)976 241342 WWW: http://dylan.visint.co.uk/ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 12 08:23:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA14804 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:23:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from wicked.eaznet.com ([209.75.156.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA14799 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:22:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eddie@wicked.eaznet.com) Received: (from eddie@localhost) by wicked.eaznet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA08877 for isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:25:09 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:25:09 -0700 (MST) From: Eddie Fry Message-Id: <199711122325.QAA08877@wicked.eaznet.com> To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: wrong remote IP Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a remote wireless bridge that had the wrong IP address put into it. Is there a way I can telnet to it if I know the incorrect IP address? I'd hate to drive out there and get it. I tried: route add -host bad.ip.addr.here gateway.to.wireless.subnet but with no luck. Any ideas??? Thanks, Eddie From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 12 08:41:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA16149 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:41:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [193.117.77.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA16129; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:41:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA21073; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:37:31 GMT Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA00938; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:43:01 GMT Message-ID: <19971112164300.34838@iii.co.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:43:00 +0000 To: Brian Somers Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recommendation for a UK based ISP References: <19971112101725.23103@iii.co.uk> <199711121216.MAA29415@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199711121216.MAA29415@awfulhak.demon.co.uk>; from Brian Somers on Wed, Nov 12, 1997 at 12:16:29PM +0000 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Nov 12, 1997 at 12:16:29PM +0000, Brian Somers wrote: > Demon systems (www.demon.net) provide all this for #10+VAT (#11.75) > per month. They do almost all. My two sticking points with Demon are: 1. Their Perl version is 5.003. There were some important OO changes between 5.003 and 5.004, and so far, they don't seem inclined to upgrade. 2. They won't let you telnet to a shell on your web account that remotely reflects the environment your CGI script will be running in. It's much easier to debug a CGI that way. The alternative[1] of - write - upload - test in a browser - realise something's not quite right, because of the difference between my test environment and their server, so go to step 1 will drive me up the wall, as well as increasing my on line charges. According to my inside contact at Demon (who may or may not be reading this list, if he is, then "Hi") Demon have no immediate plans to fix point 1, and will categorically not do point 2. I had a lovely set up at my last place via a company called Atlas Internet. They basically said "OK, here's what your Apache virtual server config looks like, here's your docroot, here's your cgi-bin directory, now don't come asking silly questions." Suited me fine. Unfortunately, they've now aimed themselves purely at the business market. N [1] The other alternative, writing code that "works first time" is a nice goal, but I prefer to live in the real world. -- --+==[ Nik Clayton is Just Another Perl Hacker at Interactive Investor ]==+-- It is easier to seek forgiveness than permission From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 12 10:05:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA22790 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:05:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA22762; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:05:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03318; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:04:43 GMT Message-Id: <199711121804.SAA03318@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: nik@iii.co.uk cc: Brian Somers , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recommendation for a UK based ISP In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:43:00 GMT." <19971112164300.34838@iii.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:04:43 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Heh, I didn't even realize I was allowed to run cgis ! I thought it was limited to a counter and a form that gets turned into email. I really ought to pay attention :-) > On Wed, Nov 12, 1997 at 12:16:29PM +0000, Brian Somers wrote: > > Demon systems (www.demon.net) provide all this for #10+VAT (#11.75) > > per month. > > They do almost all. My two sticking points with Demon are: > > 1. Their Perl version is 5.003. There were some important OO changes > between 5.003 and 5.004, and so far, they don't seem inclined to > upgrade. > > 2. They won't let you telnet to a shell on your web account that remotely > reflects the environment your CGI script will be running in. It's > much easier to debug a CGI that way. The alternative[1] of [.....] > N > > [1] The other alternative, writing code that "works first time" is a nice > goal, but I prefer to live in the real world. > -- > --+==[ Nik Clayton is Just Another Perl Hacker at Interactive Investor ]==+-- > It is easier to seek forgiveness than permission -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 12 10:14:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA23706 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:14:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (SRI-56K-FR.mt.net [206.127.65.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA23700 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:14:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11543; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:13:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA04886; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:13:44 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:13:44 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199711121813.LAA04886@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Eddie Fry Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wrong remote IP In-Reply-To: <199711122325.QAA08877@wicked.eaznet.com> References: <199711122325.QAA08877@wicked.eaznet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eddie Fry writes: > I have a remote wireless bridge that had the wrong IP address put into > it. Is there a way I can telnet to it if I know the incorrect IP > address? Not without a machine on the same network that is configured to use the same network address. If you have a machine that has two networks cards in it, you can configure one to the 'normal' network, and another to the 'bogus' network, and connect through it. > I'd hate to drive out there and get it. I tried: route add > -host bad.ip.addr.here gateway.to.wireless.subnet but with no luck. Nope, that won't work since the routers know that packets destined for the wrong IP don't belong on their network. Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 12 10:16:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA23869 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:16:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from homer.duff-beer.com (mail@homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA23843 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:15:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from listserv-admin@duff-beer.com) Received: from duff-beer.com (host5-99-47-24.btinternet.com [195.99.47.24]) by homer.duff-beer.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06674; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:15:02 GMT Message-ID: <3469F120.E6FE3FA1@duff-beer.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:10:40 +0000 From: Scot Elliott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eddie Fry CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wrong remote IP References: <199711122325.QAA08877@wicked.eaznet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eddie Fry wrote: > > I have a remote wireless bridge that had the wrong IP address put into it. > Is there a way I can telnet to it if I know the incorrect IP address? Depends if the bridge has just the host part of the IP address wrong or weather the network portion's wrong. If the latter is the case then you could configure a static route on the router to the subnet it's on, and then set a static route to that router on your unix machine. Also, if you've got access to a machine on that network then you could login to it and configure a static arp entry to a non-live address, but using the bridge's ethernet address. Then you should be able to access the bridge from it. Scot. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 12 11:02:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA28163 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:02:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from chicagometro.usweb.com (email.virtualmarketing.com [207.7.29.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA28153 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:02:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcin@v-m.com) Received: from v-m.com (207.7.29.107) by chicagometro.usweb.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2b2); Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:02:42 -0700 Message-ID: <3469FD6D.57E37B71@v-m.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:03:09 -0600 From: Marcin Pasek Reply-To: marcin@v-m.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd Subject: WWW Search Engine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk One of my costumers want's to run his own WWW search engine just like ( Yahoo, or infoseek...he want's to focus just on one topic and not on indexing the WWW. Are there any good products out there ready to use out of the box? Marcin From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 12 11:31:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA00376 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:31:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA00357 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:31:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06900; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:21:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd006896; Wed Nov 12 11:21:49 1997 Message-ID: <346A015A.52BFA1D7@whistle.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:19:55 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eddie Fry CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wrong remote IP References: <199711122325.QAA08877@wicked.eaznet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eddie Fry wrote: > > I have a remote wireless bridge that had the wrong IP address put > into it. Is there a way I can telnet to it if I know the incorrect > IP address? I'd hate to drive out there and get it. I tried: route > add -host bad.ip.addr.here gateway.to.wireless.subnet but with no > luck. > give more info.. (draw a picture :) julian > > Thanks, > > Eddie From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 12 11:57:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA02833 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:57:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA02823 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:57:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (shovey@buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00595; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:56:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:56:14 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Hovey To: Marcin Pasek cc: freebsd Subject: Re: WWW Search Engine In-Reply-To: <3469FD6D.57E37B71@v-m.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk htdig was pretty easy to set up! On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Marcin Pasek wrote: > One of my costumers want's to run his own WWW search engine just like ( > Yahoo, or infoseek...he want's to focus just on one topic and not on > indexing the WWW. Are there any good products out there ready to use out > of the box? > > Marcin > > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 12 11:59:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA02968 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:59:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from bert.club-web.com (bert.club-web.com [207.176.196.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA02954 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:58:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@club-web.com) Received: from club-web.com (ernie.club-web.com [207.176.196.12]) by bert.club-web.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22645; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:01:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <346A0B7C.BB59E442@club-web.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:03:09 -0500 From: Mark Segal Organization: Club-Web Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03b8 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: marcin@v-m.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WWW Search Engine References: <3469FD6D.57E37B71@v-m.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Marcin Pasek wrote: > > One of my costumers want's to run his own WWW search engine just like ( > Yahoo, or infoseek...he want's to focus just on one topic and not on > indexing the WWW. Are there any good products out there ready to use out > of the box? > > Marcin Personally i found glimpse.. a neat indexer.. but i did have to write a script that parses the info.. :).. not really out of the box.. but neat nonetheless. mark -- Mark Segal mark@club-web.com System Administrator - Club-Web Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 12 12:54:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA08105 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:54:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA08099 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:54:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07323; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:54:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:54:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Mark Segal cc: marcin@v-m.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WWW Search Engine In-Reply-To: <346A0B7C.BB59E442@club-web.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Mark Segal wrote: > Marcin Pasek wrote: > > > > One of my costumers want's to run his own WWW search engine just like ( > > Yahoo, or infoseek...he want's to focus just on one topic and not on > > indexing the WWW. Are there any good products out there ready to use out > > of the box? > > > > Marcin > Personally i found glimpse.. a neat indexer.. but i did have to write a > script that parses the info.. :).. not really out of the box.. but neat > nonetheless. You might need a licensing agreement for glimpse though, even if you're not reselling it. You should check the glimpse web pages for that, since nowhere in the glimpse tar file does it mention the licensing restrictions that are discussed on the web site. I know that as an ISP, we can't use glimpse to index customers web pages, since that is a commercial use, according to the professor that I talked to who's in charge of the licensing. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 12 13:13:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA09424 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:13:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA09418 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:12:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA00251; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:12:38 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:12:37 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Nate Williams cc: Eddie Fry , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wrong remote IP In-Reply-To: <199711121813.LAA04886@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Nate Williams wrote: > Eddie Fry writes: > > > I have a remote wireless bridge that had the wrong IP address put into > > it. Is there a way I can telnet to it if I know the incorrect IP > > address? > > Not without a machine on the same network that is configured to use the > same network address. If you have a machine that has two networks cards > in it, you can configure one to the 'normal' network, and another to the > 'bogus' network, and connect through it. You don't need a second NIC. Simply do ifconfig ed0 1.2.3.4 alias telnet 1.2.3.1 (where 1.2.3.1 is the IP of the bridge) When you have finished, 'ifconfig ed0 1.2.3.4 delete' to remove the alias. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 12 14:58:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA17694 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:58:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from absinthe.i3inc.com (Absinthe.i3inc.com [209.31.147.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA17688 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:58:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@absinthe.i3inc.com) Received: (from chris@localhost) by absinthe.i3inc.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id RAA03337; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:58:29 -0500 (EST) To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" Cc: Mark Segal , marcin@v-m.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WWW Search Engine References: From: Chris Shenton Date: 12 Nov 1997 17:58:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger"'s message of Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:54:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <87vhxxg1nv.fsf@absinthe.i3inc.com> Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Marcin Pasek wrote: > > One of my costumers want's to run his own WWW search engine just like ( > Yahoo, or infoseek...he want's to focus just on one topic and not on > indexing the WWW. Are there any good products out there ready to use out > of the box? The Stronghold product (commercial Apache + SSLeay with RSA crypto license; see www.c2.net) comes with "swish" and "wwwwais". Although it bugs me to pay for SW available on the net for free, at $1000 the thing practically installs itself, comes with a free SSL certificate from Thawte.com, and has the best docs I've seen on Apache and SSL. Depends on how much your time is worth. The admin GUI is kinda nice, too, but I'm an emacs-kind-of-guy... Now your question states "like InfoSeek". This implies a "robot" which goes to remote web sites and pulls their data. Swish, wwwwais, glimpse, and the other products mentioned here only do docs on the local system. Perhaps glimpse can be configged to pull remote docs, I haven't been interested in it since the Harvest Project died and glimpse became licensed tech. (like gated and MERIT radius, but that's another rant)-: From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Nov 12 15:14:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA18970 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:14:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA18964 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:14:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08347; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:10:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:10:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Chris Shenton cc: Mark Segal , marcin@v-m.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WWW Search Engine In-Reply-To: <87vhxxg1nv.fsf@absinthe.i3inc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 12 Nov 1997, Chris Shenton wrote: > Now your question states "like InfoSeek". This implies a "robot" which > goes to remote web sites and pulls their data. Swish, wwwwais, > glimpse, and the other products mentioned here only do docs on the > local system. Perhaps glimpse can be configged to pull remote docs, I > haven't been interested in it since the Harvest Project died and > glimpse became licensed tech. (like gated and MERIT radius, but that's > another rant)-: both glimpse and htdig will index remote sites, but you'd have to tell it what sites to index. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Nov 13 08:57:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA26519 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:57:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from search.gz.gnet.cn ([202.96.152.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA26498 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:57:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ding@nease.net) From: ding@nease.net Received: from ding ([202.96.184.131]) by search.gz.gnet.cn (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA22628 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:54:02 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971114004927.00723cd4@nease.net> X-Sender: ding@nease.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:50:38 +0800 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Please suggest hardware Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hi : We plan to setup a freebsd server as mail server ,We need to 50G disk space ,and 256M ram,But we didn't know which mianboard and RAID 5 box ,scsi card be the best. Thans a lot.. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Nov 13 10:03:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA03014 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:03:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from wopr.inetu.net (wopr.inetu.net [207.18.13.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA03009 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:03:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dev@wopr.inetu.net) Received: from localhost (dev@localhost) by wopr.inetu.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11662 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:06:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:06:01 -0500 (EST) From: Dev Chanchani To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Frontpage port Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk There was some discussion about a frontpage port, could someone point me the ftp site/url where i can grab it. Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Nov 13 10:42:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA06379 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:42:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns1.primelink.com (mail.primelink.com [206.24.58.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06373 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:42:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kbrown@primelink.com) Received: from mystic ([206.24.58.91]) by ns1.primelink.com (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11777) with ESMTP id AAA85 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:48:29 -0600 Message-ID: <346B499E.BD5490AE@primelink.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:40:31 -0600 From: Kevin Brown Reply-To: kbrown@primelink.com Organization: Huber & Associates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp Subject: Never before seen DNS error X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings! I have never seen the following DNS error appear before, and cannot find anything which would lead me to find it's cause. If any of you might have an idea, I would be most appreciative. ns2 named[PID]: sysquery: findns error (2) on ns1.primelink.com? ns2 named[PID]: sysquery: findns error (2) on ns2.primelink.com? After several bouts with these errors, my primary zone expires, and no resolution is provided to our domain. I am not having this problem with any of the other 100 or so domains we host. To cure this, I simply restart.named and it reloads the zone file, and it will work for several more hours, then the errors start re-appearing, and the process continues again. Thanks for your assistance, and direct response to this posting at: kbrown@primelink.com -- ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Kevin Brown kbrown@primelink.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Nov 13 10:58:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA07879 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:58:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from skyserv.med.osd.mil (skyserv.med.osd.mil [199.209.8.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA07870; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:58:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rpotts@med.osd.mil) Received: from (ae1970.med.osd.mil [161.14.168.22]) by skyserv.med.osd.mil (8.6.8.1/SCA-6.6) with SMTP id NAA26834; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:58:41 -0500 From: "Ross Potts" Message-Id: <9711131358.ZM7559@unknown.zmail.host> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:58:40 -0500 X-Mailer: ZM-Win (3.2.1 11Sep94) To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: modems Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Okay, I'm not a newbie. But, for the life of me, I have never had to use a modem. I've led a privileged life of working in a set environment with all the NICs I could carry. Now I want to use a modem on FreeBSD at home. Before I started leaning over to this OS, I tried Linux. Then I heard that they would not take winmodems. On my Compaq Presario, that is apparently what I have(no jumpers!). That and the stupidly easy setup in FreeBSD made me change over. I have since then bought a motorola modemsurfr-33.6(with jumpers). Wouldn't you know it... two days after I bought it, I found (in the FreeBSD Handbook?) how to change IRQ settings in userconfig. Maybe I could still use the winmodem and save the settings like described for NICs? I will keep both modems. My problem is this: I have yet to be able to get a dial tone! AARRRGghhhhh! I'm using a book for Linux, but the concept is the same in how to set the dev files! I know once I get a dial tone, setting ppp will be simple. Can anyone send some info other than reading the FAQs and handbook? -- UNIX Rules!!! Ross Potts Internet : Ross.Potts@med.osd.mil EDS-D/SIDDOMS Phone : (703) 824-7601 Skyline Two, Suite 1200 Beeper : 5203 Leesburg Pike, Falls Church, VA 22041 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Nov 13 11:46:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA12793 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:46:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from marlin.exis.net (root@marlin.exis.net [205.252.72.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA12787; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:46:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefan@exis.net) Received: from sailfish.exis.net (sailfish.exis.net [205.252.72.104]) by marlin.exis.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA16123; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:46:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:37:18 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Molnar To: Ross Potts cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: modems In-Reply-To: <9711131358.ZM7559@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Now I want to use a modem on FreeBSD at home. Before I started leaning over to > this OS, I tried Linux. Then I heard that they would not take winmodems. On my > Compaq Presario, that is apparently what I have(no jumpers!). That and the > stupidly easy setup in FreeBSD made me change over. It is not the lack of jumpers makes the winmodem suck, it is the lack of a UART chip. The UART chip is being emulated in software. When I worked for an isp, the winmodemds were the hardest to fix via phone support, and dies very easly. > I have since then bought a motorola modemsurfr-33.6(with jumpers). Wouldn't you > know it... two days after I bought it, I found (in the FreeBSD Handbook?) how to > change IRQ settings in userconfig. Maybe I could still use the winmodem and > save the settings like described for NICs? I will keep both modems. Take the winmodem and donate it for a tax writeoff, it is better that way. > My problem is this: I have yet to be able to get a dial tone! AARRRGghhhhh! > I'm using a book for Linux, but the concept is the same in how to set the dev > files! I know once I get a dial tone, setting ppp will be simple. I am asumeing you are not getting the dial tone on he winmodem. YOu do not have to set and dev files for serial devices like a modem, the ones are in this order. COM1 /dev/cuaa0 COM2 /dev/cuaa1 COM3 /dev/cuaa2 COM4 /dev/cuaa3 I find the best way to make sure the modem is working is use minicom. It is alot like Telix (in my opinion the best term that was ever made), and it is easy to configure. Stefan From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Nov 13 12:54:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA19775 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:54:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA19751; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:54:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA02530; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:54:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:54:01 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White Reply-To: Doug White To: Jakob Alvermark cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Speed on sio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Jakob Alvermark wrote: > Hello. > > Is it possible to use the serial ports (sio?) at higher speeds than > 115k2bps? (I'm thinking about getting an ISDN TA that supports 230k4 and > 460k8) If your serial chip supports it. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Nov 13 13:12:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA21491 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:12:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from bert.club-web.com (bert.club-web.com [207.176.196.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA21480 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:12:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@club-web.com) Received: from club-web.com (ernie.club-web.com [207.176.196.12]) by bert.club-web.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA02739; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:15:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <346B6E73.847A0D7F@club-web.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:17:39 -0500 From: Mark Segal Organization: Club-Web Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03b8 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kbrown@primelink.com, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Never before seen DNS error References: <346B499E.BD5490AE@primelink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Kevin Brown wrote: > > Greetings! > > I have never seen the following DNS error appear before, and cannot find > anything which would lead me to find it's cause. If any of you might > have an idea, I would be most appreciative. > > ns2 named[PID]: sysquery: findns error (2) on ns1.primelink.com? > ns2 named[PID]: sysquery: findns error (2) on ns2.primelink.com? > > After several bouts with these errors, my primary zone expires, and no > resolution is provided to our domain. I am not having this problem with > any of the other 100 or so domains we host. To cure this, I simply > restart.named and it reloads the zone file, and it will work for several > more hours, then the errors start re-appearing, and the process > continues again. > > Thanks for your assistance, and direct response to this posting at: > kbrown@primelink.com > Could u post the db.primelink.com (ie the named file for the domain).. and the named.conf file.. The info might help.. i had a similar error when i accidently put secondary instead of primary for a zone.. i had both of them expire (ie the real primary and secondary).. mark -- Mark Segal mark@club-web.com System Administrator - Club-Web Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Nov 13 15:19:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA01671 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:19:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA01657; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:19:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26596; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:14:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:14:49 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: questions@freebsd.org cc: qpopper@qualcomm.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Popper Port Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm trying to install the popper port (2.4b2 qpopper) and some strange things have been happening. If I compile it with defaults and "-DSERVER_MODE", it works, but has some bugs; it will occasionally zero out user's .popbull files, and if a user has an empty spool, it dumps core. I tried adding the "-DBULLDB" to solve the first problem by keeping all bulletin information in a database, but it fails like so when including the BULLDB option: cc -c -I. -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DSETPROCTITLE -DBSD44_DBM -DBIND43 -DAPOP='"'/usr/local'/etc/popper/pop.auth"' -DPOPUID='"pop"' -DNONAUTHFILE='"/etc/ftpusers"' -DSKEY -DSERVER_MODE -DBULLDB pop_bull.c -o pop_bull.o pop_bull.c: In function `pop_bull': pop_bull.c:171: `LOCK_EX' undeclared (first use this function) pop_bull.c:171: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once pop_bull.c:171: for each function it appears in.) pop_bull.c:178: `LOCK_UN' undeclared (first use this function) *** Error code 1 Stop. This is on 2.1.7.1, and I do see both functions declared in the system headers. There are also flock functions in popper: util [/usr/ports/mail/popper-2.4b2]# grep LOCK_EX work/qpopper2.4b2/* work/qpopper2.4b2/flock.c: arg.l_type = (LOCK_EX & operation) ? F_WRLCK : work/qpopper2.4b2/flock.h:#define LOCK_EX 2 /* exclusive lock */ I'm lost... I was looking to downgrade to 2.3 or 2.2 to take care of the core dumping, but the bulletin database fails the same way in all versions. Anyone have this working? Thanks, Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com ---- "I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man Just a mortal with potential of a superman I'm living on" -DB From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 14 05:25:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA27613 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 05:25:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from lab321.ru (anonymous1.omsk.net.ru [194.226.32.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA27556 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 05:24:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Eugeny.Kuzakov@lab321.ru) Received: from lab321.ru (kev.l321.omsk.net.ru [194.226.33.68]) by lab321.ru (8.8.5-MVC-230497/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06816; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:19:09 +0600 (OSK) Message-ID: <346CA4A5.E4365FF3@lab321.ru> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:21:09 +0000 From: Eugeny Kuzakov Organization: Powered by FreeBSD. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-971022-SNAP i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dev Chanchani CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frontpage port References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dev Chanchani wrote: > > There was some discussion about a frontpage port, could someone point me > the ftp site/url where i can grab it. > > Thanks in advance. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/ -- Best wishes, Eugeny Kuzakov Laboratory 321 ( Omsk, Russia ) kev@lab321.ru From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 14 06:12:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA00879 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:12:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mrin79.mail.aol.com (mrin79.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA00874 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:12:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Hetzels@aol.com) From: Hetzels@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin79.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA27486; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:11:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:11:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971114091158_832025778@mrin79> To: dev@wopr.inetu.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Frontpage port Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-13 22:06:48 EST, dev@wopr.inetu.net writes: > There was some discussion about a frontpage port, could someone point me > the ftp site/url where i can grab it. > > Thanks in advance. > The frontpage port is located at: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/apache-fp.port.tgz The port has a one problem that I haven't had time to fix. In order for the MS Frontpage Extentions read or write to the directories ../etc/apache, ../www/data, ../www/[virutual web], ../frontpage they all must be owned by the same user. The port currently solves the problem with the first two directories. The other directories are needed if you want to use the FrontPage HTML Admin pages. Also, inorder to control the Primary web from the HTML Admin pages, you must create a link from we80.cnf to the webs name (e.x. www.test.com:80.cnf -> we80.cnf). Thanks for trying the FrontPage Port Scot W. Hetzel From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 14 07:40:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA07139 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:40:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mail.micon.dk ([194.192.112.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA07103 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:40:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from npp@neg-micon.dk) Received: by mail.micon.dk(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 4125654F.00585782 ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:04:55 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NEG MICON From: "Nicolai Petri" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <4125654F.0055C6E6.00@mail.micon.dk> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:40:44 +0100 Subject: ppp dial-back server & client Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How do i set up a proxy server to allow incoming ppp sessions from another FreeBSD and the dial back ??? Is't possible?? I need the setup to "transfer" internet to a remote site for a weekend... Is there another way?? Yours, Nicolai Petri Petersen From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 14 08:08:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA09494 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:08:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA09463; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:08:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [204.141.95.138]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA25237; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:12:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971114111030.00d344b0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:10:30 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: dennis Subject: 8 pci ports Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have info on an ALL pci MB that works with Freebsd 2.2.5R? Something that fits in a standard case (ie NOT passive backplane). Are there any issues with FreeBSD supporting PCI-PCI bridges for such a MB? Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 14 15:58:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA14025 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:58:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from rainey.blueneptune.com (root@rainey.blueneptune.com [207.104.147.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA14013 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:57:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michael@blueneptune.com) From: michael@blueneptune.com Received: (from michael@localhost) by rainey.blueneptune.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA23066 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:03:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199711150003.QAA23066@rainey.blueneptune.com> Subject: Pentium Lockup Workaround? To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:03:23 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: michael@blueneptune.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Any word when patches might be available for the Pentium lockup caused by the recently found Pentium invalid instruction erratum? This obviously is of great concern to any ISPs with user shell access to a Pentium system. Details of the erratum are available here: http://support.intel.com/support/processors/pentium/ppiie/index.htm Several OS's already have fixes available (including BSDI and Linux), so I assume (hope) FreeBSD isn't far behind. [If this has already been announced and I've missed it, let me know...] -- Michael Bryan michael@blueneptune.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Nov 14 23:50:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA06501 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:50:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from spooky.eis.net.au (spooky.eis.net.au [203.12.171.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA06495 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:50:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ernie@spooky.eis.net.au) Received: (from ernie@localhost) by spooky.eis.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.3) id RAA17593 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:50:20 +1000 (EST) From: Ernie Elu Message-Id: <199711150750.RAA17593@spooky.eis.net.au> Subject: Traffic monitoring X-ELM-OSV: (Our standard violations) no-mime=1; no-hdr-encoding=1 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:50:20 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am trying to monitor out internet traffic to figure out what is causing a sudden increase over the last couple of days which Inoticed on an mrtg graph for the router. I have tried trafshow but I can't pick anything odd from it. What I need is something that will keep a running totals of traffic to each of the addresses in our class-C's. Any suggestions? - Ernie. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Nov 15 00:50:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA08451 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:50:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from netdev.comsys.com (netdev.comsys.com [192.94.236.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA08446 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:50:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@comsys.com) Received: from neisse.comsys.com ([204.202.49.58]) by netdev.comsys.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA11060; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:02:48 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: "alex huppenthal" From: "alex huppenthal" To: "Ernie Elu" , Subject: Re: Traffic monitoring Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:41:17 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf1a2$3d472540$3a31cacc@neisse.comsys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've seen children pinging broadcast addresses from a variety of sites. Welcome to the Internet ala CB Radio traffic from the 70s. Try >> tcpdump net 255 That'll give you a dump of the source. You might see some valid RIP messages occasionally, but if it is the trash I see periodically, it'll be something like 00:35:21.220035 den-co5-06.ix.netcom.com > 255.255.255.255: icmp: echo request 00:35:22.351393 den-co5-06.ix.netcom.com > 255.255.255.255: icmp: echo request 00:35:22.945241 den-co5-06.ix.netcom.com > 255.255.255.255: icmp: echo request --- pure pollution. We send the trash up the to the next link. There are many other approaches to locating the criminal. -----Original Message----- From: Ernie Elu To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Saturday, November 15, 1997 12:31 AM Subject: Traffic monitoring >I am trying to monitor out internet traffic to figure out what is causing a >sudden increase over the last couple of days which Inoticed on an mrtg graph for >the router. > >I have tried trafshow but I can't pick anything odd from it. What I need is >something that will keep a running totals of traffic to each of the >addresses in our class-C's. > >Any suggestions? > >- Ernie. > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Nov 15 01:17:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA09298 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:17:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from netdev.comsys.com (netdev.comsys.com [192.94.236.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA09293 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:17:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@comsys.com) Received: from neisse.comsys.com ([204.202.49.58]) by netdev.comsys.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA11259; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:15:12 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: "alex huppenthal" From: "alex huppenthal" To: "Ernie Elu" , Subject: Re: Traffic monitoring Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:14:34 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf1a6$e39b4440$3a31cacc@neisse.comsys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I should correct myself, we send the trace up to the next link. Not the traffic.... Its late. -----Original Message----- From: Ernie Elu To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Saturday, November 15, 1997 12:31 AM Subject: Traffic monitoring >I am trying to monitor out internet traffic to figure out what is causing a >sudden increase over the last couple of days which Inoticed on an mrtg graph for >the router. > >I have tried trafshow but I can't pick anything odd from it. What I need is >something that will keep a running totals of traffic to each of the >addresses in our class-C's. > >Any suggestions? > >- Ernie. > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Nov 15 10:04:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA21829 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:04:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from wopr.inetu.net (wopr.inetu.net [207.18.13.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA21803 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:03:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dev@wopr.inetu.net) Received: from localhost (dev@localhost) by wopr.inetu.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA14648 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:13:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:13:36 -0500 (EST) From: Dev Chanchani To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Power Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We had an extended power outage last night. After realizing that our UPS's would not keep our network up for the black-out, I ran to sears with a credit card and bought a Craftsman generator. My lesson in power began :) I was wondering if anyone has been through this and could help me on a couple of points: We have our servers, switches and routers plugged into APS UPS's (600's and 650's). The UPS's are plugged into surge protectors. The surge protectors are plugged into 15 AMP 12 guage 100 ft extension coards. We ran the extension cords (took them out of the wall) and plugged them into the generator. The 650 UPS could not take it, it was flipping between generator power and UPS power every second. So... my questions are as follows: 1. Can you plug a UPS -> Surge protector -> generator 2. Are there any specifics I should look for when planning the power setup of new servers and racks. 3. How much output does a genarator need per server (as a rule of thumb)? 4. Was the UPS switching from internal power to external power because the generator power was fluctuating, not enough power, etc? If anyone has experience with this type of stuff, any help and information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! PS: To anyone who does not have experience in this, you might want to take a look, because its not fun to learn these things in total darkness in a ice storm.. ;) From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Nov 15 11:10:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA25659 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:10:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from home.dragondata.com (toasty@home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA25647 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:10:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17156; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:09:50 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199711151909.NAA17156@home.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: Power In-Reply-To: from Dev Chanchani at "Nov 15, 97 01:13:36 pm" To: dev@wopr.inetu.net (Dev Chanchani) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:09:48 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > We had an extended power outage last night. After realizing that our UPS's > would not keep our network up for the black-out, I ran to sears with a > credit card and bought a Craftsman generator. > > My lesson in power began :) > > I was wondering if anyone has been through this and could help me on a > couple of points: > > We have our servers, switches and routers plugged into APS UPS's (600's > and 650's). The UPS's are plugged into surge protectors. The surge > protectors are plugged into 15 AMP 12 guage 100 ft extension coards. We > ran the extension cords (took them out of the wall) and plugged them into > the generator. The 650 UPS could not take it, it was flipping between > generator power and UPS power every second. So... my questions are as > follows: > > 1. Can you plug a UPS -> Surge protector -> generator Yes. If your UPS doesn't like the power the generator produces: 1) Some UPS's have a button on the back of them to set how sensitive they are. If so, set it to it's least sensitive setting. If not, you may need to set the UPS to 'bypass' if it has a switch for that. 2) Get a really really big 'line equalizer' or something of the sort, that really cleans up the power that a generator produces. > 2. Are there any specifics I should look for when planning the power setup > of new servers and racks. Always buy bigger power protection than you need. APC's Matrix line is great, because you can keep adding on to it. > 3. How much output does a genarator need per server (as a rule of thumb)? It depends greatly. Anywhere from .5A(50 watts) to 5A(500 watts). (if your generator measures it's output in Volt Amps(VA), 1VA is approximately equal to 1 watt). > 4. Was the UPS switching from internal power to external power because the > generator power was fluctuating, not enough power, etc? It's because the generator's power in't a pure sine wave, probably, and it's not too clean. Try to find a big line equalizer, or muck with your UPS's settings to make it happy. Some UPS's even have a input meant for generators. When it receives a signal on that line from the generator, it realizes the power isn't too clean, so it just lets whatever is coming through pass. > > If anyone has experience with this type of stuff, any help and information > would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance! > > PS: To anyone who does not have experience in this, you might want to take > a look, because its not fun to learn these things in total darkness in a > ice storm.. ;) > > You probably will want to get bigger extention cords, too. While the total load from the computers won't pass 15A, the computers plus the UPS's trying to recharge themselves will. (the UPS's don't know they are on a generator, they just assume the power came back on, and are frantically grabbing as much power as they can to recharge themselves, in case the power goes out again). Kevin Day DragonData From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Nov 15 12:06:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA10343 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:06:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from marlin.exis.net (root@marlin.exis.net [205.252.72.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA10298 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:06:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefan@exis.net) Received: from sailfish.exis.net (sailfish.exis.net [205.252.72.104]) by marlin.exis.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA13812; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:06:21 -0500 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:56:16 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Molnar To: Dev Chanchani cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Power In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We have our servers, switches and routers plugged into APS UPS's (600's > and 650's). The UPS's are plugged into surge protectors. The surge > protectors are plugged into 15 AMP 12 guage 100 ft extension coards. We > ran the extension cords (took them out of the wall) and plugged them into > the generator. The 650 UPS could not take it, it was flipping between > generator power and UPS power every second. So... my questions are as > follows: I went threw this before. I think you are talking about the APC ones. Those are very very touchy about power conditions (freq. etc). What you do is call APC and complain. If you complain enpought they will send you replacement ones. WE found that out when we bought a 75Kw catapiller generator (we wanted that much power to hold the air conditioning as well). If all of your questions, yes you can use serges, but it can void the warenty of the UPS, and is kinda redundant, since those UPS should have serge protectors bulitin. Stefan From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Nov 15 12:25:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA17409 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:25:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ec.camitel.com (merlin.ec.camitel.com [206.231.123.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA17234 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:25:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cfortin@ec.camitel.com) Received: (from cfortin@localhost) by ec.camitel.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA25136; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:38:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cfortin) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:25:36 -0500 (EST) From: Christian Fortin To: Dev Chanchani Subject: RE: Power Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 15-Nov-97 Dev Chanchani wrote: > >We had an extended power outage last night. After realizing that our UPS's >would not keep our network up for the black-out, I ran to sears with a >credit card and bought a Craftsman generator. > >My lesson in power began :) > >I was wondering if anyone has been through this and could help me on a >couple of points: > >We have our servers, switches and routers plugged into APS UPS's (600's >and 650's). The UPS's are plugged into surge protectors. The surge >protectors are plugged into 15 AMP 12 guage 100 ft extension coards. We >ran the extension cords (took them out of the wall) and plugged them into >the generator. The 650 UPS could not take it, it was flipping between >generator power and UPS power every second. So... my questions are as >follows: > >1. Can you plug a UPS -> Surge protector -> generator Yes but you miss a stage: generator -> Surge supressor -> Line conditioner -> UPS >2. Are there any specifics I should look for when planning the power setup >of new servers and racks. You must have at the end, au full beautiful sine wave! >3. How much output does a genarator need per server (as a rule of thumb)? Depend of the server, but you can take 700VA oer server. >4. Was the UPS switching from internal power to external power because the >generator power was fluctuating, not enough power, etc? > Put an oscilloscop on the line, you will probably see then the output of your generator have many harmonic. (many peak or garbage on the sine wave) Your UPS detect these harmonic and go battery ON-Line. >If anyone has experience with this type of stuff, any help and information >would be greatly appreciated. > The more simple way to resolve all your problem is: Buy a true UPS who include surge supressor and Line conditionner. I use UPS from Best Power. model Ferrups. This UPS include all what you need for make your job. And it include a CPU that you can log in via RS-232. Best have his shutdown software (daemon) that compile very easyly on FreeBSD. (just to take the Sun O/S Makefile) You can program all the feature inside the UPS... But in first, double check your generator, you can't use it if the voltage regulator inside the generator is not a good one. You must have an oscilloscope to check it! >Thanks in advance! > >PS: To anyone who does not have experience in this, you might want to take >a look, because its not fun to learn these things in total darkness in a >ice storm.. ;) > :-) I know.... ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Christian Fortin Date: 15-Nov-97 Heure: 15:25:36 ##############################################--------+ Electro-Conception tel:(418) 872-6641 | 3665 Croisset fax:(418) 872-9198 | Quebec,P.Q. www.ec.camitel.com/ec | G1P-1L4 | /--|<|--WM--|(--J Canada -----------------L---WM-----< \----1 --- - From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Nov 15 12:26:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA17591 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:26:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from osceola.cs.ucf.edu (osceola.cs.ucf.edu [132.170.108.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA17521 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:25:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bilver.oau.org!bill@alfred.oau.org) Received: by osceola.cs.ucf.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA08593; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:26:11 -0500 >Received: by alfred.oau.org (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1) id ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by alfred.oau.org (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1) id ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.oau.org (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA27444 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:11:51 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199711152011.PAA27444@bilver.oau.org> Subject: Re: Power In-Reply-To: from Dev Chanchani at "Nov 15, 97 01:13:36 pm" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:11:51 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Recently Dev Chanchani said: > We had an extended power outage last night. After realizing that our UPS's > would not keep our network up for the black-out, I ran to sears with a > credit card and bought a Craftsman generator. > > My lesson in power began :) ... > We have our servers, switches and routers plugged into APS UPS's (600's > and 650's). The UPS's are plugged into surge protectors. The surge > protectors are plugged into 15 AMP 12 guage 100 ft extension coards. Typically you should run the UPS'es directly from the AC and not through a surge protector. That's an awfully long run for extension cords. You'd be better off getting the building wired correctly. We > ran the extension cords (took them out of the wall) and plugged them into > the generator. The 650 UPS could not take it, it was flipping between > generator power and UPS power every second. So... my questions are as > follows: > 1. Can you plug a UPS -> Surge protector -> generator I'd forget the Surge protector in the middle. > 2. Are there any specifics I should look for when planning the power setup > of new servers and racks. Make sure real power is delivered as close as possible to the servers and the UPS. > 3. How much output does a genarator need per server (as a rule of thumb)? I haven't seen chart like that recently. Best systems had some extensive charts/recommendations. They have units with extra battery packs, up through units with small to large generator systems. > 4. Was the UPS switching from internal power to external power because the > generator power was fluctuating, not enough power, etc? You probably had poor regulation on the generator. Years ago when I worked in broadcast, we'd go to emergenecy power for 1 hour once each week to make sure things were OK. The generator there was a V8 Ford and put out about 10KW. That was some of the most miserable power I've seen. It had a hard time keeping 60cyles, and the clocks would be off by about 5 minutes at the end of an hour. You need to investigate generators that are designed for this, not the generators used for emergency lighting/camping. > If anyone has experience with this type of stuff, any help and information > would be greatly appreciated. Here's a neat way to get cheap UPSes - if you're lucky. The place I do some work for has a hardware scrounger person - he loves bargains. He frequents local auction, and surplus sales. About 3 months ago he paid $300 for a UPS with no batteries - and we started looking for batteries - about $1500 - but not bad for a 30,000Watt Leibert. Three weeks ago he picked up a 50,000 WATT Leibert for $500 - that comes out to 1 cent/watt. I figure we will get about 4 days minimum (more if we watch it) which will keep us up for most outages. The ISP's in Miami were down for about 3 days when Andrew came through. Here in Central Florida I was without power in my house for 3.5 days after a storm decided to put all the trees it could find on power lines. (we had to rent a truck to move the UPS - it weighed about 2000 pounds so it won't help if you're not on a ground floor). But for starters keep the surge suppresors out of the lines. The UPS takes care of that. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Nov 15 12:34:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA20093 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:34:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (ns0.teleport.com [192.108.254.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA20060 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:34:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mrl@teleport.com) Received: from user2.teleport.com (user2.teleport.com [192.108.254.12]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06609; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:34:06 -0800 (PST) From: Mostyn/Annabella Received: (from mrl@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA24040; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:34:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711152034.MAA24040@user2.teleport.com> Subject: Re: Power To: dev@wopr.inetu.net (Dev Chanchani) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:34:04 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dev Chanchani" at Nov 15, 97 01:13:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We had an extended power outage last night. After realizing that our UPS's > would not keep our network up for the black-out, I ran to sears with a > credit card and bought a Craftsman generator. > > My lesson in power began :) > > I was wondering if anyone has been through this and could help me on a > couple of points: > > We have our servers, switches and routers plugged into APS UPS's (600's > and 650's). The UPS's are plugged into surge protectors. The surge > protectors are plugged into 15 AMP 12 guage 100 ft extension coards. We > ran the extension cords (took them out of the wall) and plugged them into > the generator. The 650 UPS could not take it, it was flipping between > generator power and UPS power every second. So... my questions are as > follows: > > 1. Can you plug a UPS -> Surge protector -> generator I thought about doing similar - Here are some replies from UPS makers: 1. Tripplite MHS: Source date is: 14-Oct-97 11:04:09 -0500 CDT None of our units were made to run on line with generators. The reason is because most generators do not put out a pure sine wave or do not have the hertz controlled at 60. What we have come across is that when there is a power outage and the generator "kicks in" our units will still stay in battery. The reason is because our units need to see good power going into them in order to come off of battery power. 2. Liebert I would not recommend using the POwerSure Interactive on the Coleman 5000, as the PowerSure Interactive will switch to battery each and every time the frequency goes out of range, as well as when the voltage does. This would in affect have the PowerSure Interactive switching to batteries every few minutes. The optimum solution would be to have an online UPS as with an online UPS, the UPS will not switch to battery for frequency deviations. Specifically with the Coleman 5000, I would recommend not to use anything larger than the UPStation GXT 1500 which is an online UPS. As a general rule, Liebert recommends sizing a generator application at a 3:1 ratio. (Size the kW of the generator 3x the size of the UPS). The main reason that Liebert recommends an online UPS is that when the frequency deviates, an online UPS will "free-run" utilizing its own oscillator to generate the frequency. A line interactive or off line UPS must transfer to battery. If you have any further questions, feel free to contact me. 3. APCC Although I am not familiar with the Coleman generator specifically, here are some guidelines that we recommend when selecting a UPS / generator combo: - Use a Smart-UPS, which can be desensitized to allow the slightly less than perfect generator power to pass through. If this is not done, the UPS will detect a less than perfect sine waveshape and will stay on battery. - Use a computer grade, pure sine wave output generator. - Make sure that the generator is oversized by at least 4 times the load which you will be placing on it. In your case, the 5000 watt generator should have a load of no more than 1250 watts placed on it. Mostyn Lewis From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Nov 15 13:05:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA04495 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:05:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from wopr.inetu.net (wopr.inetu.net [207.18.13.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA04445 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:04:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dev@wopr.inetu.net) Received: from localhost (dev@localhost) by wopr.inetu.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA17476 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:14:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:14:06 -0500 (EST) From: Dev Chanchani To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Power In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks everyone, I have received many great replies. I will do some surfing and come up with a better model which I would be happy to share. Thanks again! On Sat, 15 Nov 1997, Dev Chanchani wrote: > > We had an extended power outage last night. After realizing that our UPS's > would not keep our network up for the black-out, I ran to sears with a > credit card and bought a Craftsman generator. > > My lesson in power began :) > > I was wondering if anyone has been through this and could help me on a > couple of points: > > We have our servers, switches and routers plugged into APS UPS's (600's > and 650's). The UPS's are plugged into surge protectors. The surge > protectors are plugged into 15 AMP 12 guage 100 ft extension coards. We > ran the extension cords (took them out of the wall) and plugged them into > the generator. The 650 UPS could not take it, it was flipping between > generator power and UPS power every second. So... my questions are as > follows: > > 1. Can you plug a UPS -> Surge protector -> generator > 2. Are there any specifics I should look for when planning the power setup > of new servers and racks. > 3. How much output does a genarator need per server (as a rule of thumb)? > 4. Was the UPS switching from internal power to external power because the > generator power was fluctuating, not enough power, etc? > > If anyone has experience with this type of stuff, any help and information > would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance! > > PS: To anyone who does not have experience in this, you might want to take > a look, because its not fun to learn these things in total darkness in a > ice storm.. ;) > > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Nov 15 13:44:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA22849 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:44:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from In-Net.inba.fr (arthur.inba.fr [194.51.120.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA22508 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:44:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phschack@inba.fr) Received: from uther.inba.fr (uther.inba.fr [194.51.120.62]) by In-Net.inba.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01824 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:44:41 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971115224418.010eb1d0@mail.inba.fr> X-Sender: psc@mail.inba.fr X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Demo [F] Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:44:18 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Philippe SCHACK Subject: Sendmail out of order Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id NAA22815 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, A im using FreeBSD 2.1.7.1 and had the following problem with sendmail 8.8.5 last night : Sendmail refuse any connection and said 'died on signal 11' every time anybody tried to send mail. I found more than 1000 times this message in /var/log/messages : /kernel: pid 5778 (sendmail), uid 0: exited on signal 11 sendmail[5777]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): SMTP-MAIL: died on signal 11 after rebooting the system all came ok. Any help appreciated -- P. SCHÄCK phschack@inba.fr From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Nov 15 20:13:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA16040 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:13:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA16035 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:13:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA00949; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:08:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:08:29 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Bill Vermillion cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Power In-Reply-To: <199711152011.PAA27444@bilver.oau.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 15 Nov 1997, Bill Vermillion wrote: > cords. You'd be better off getting the building wired correctly. That's really the most important part... The space we rent for one of our locations only had one circuit for the equipment room. Originally there were about 250 modems with those little power cubes, 5 UPSs, and a handful of servers. When we finally convinced the boss to bring in licensed electricians, they pulled four circuits for about $400. It was well worth it. Previous to the "upgrade" an outage would wreac havoc when the power came back and all the UPSs wanted to recharge. Some hints: Hire real electricians (especially in NYC:) Get about 4 times the power you think you'll need. It's cheaper to do it all at once. Make em put in quad-boxes. "Cross wire" the quad boxes (ie: circuit "A" on two plugs "B" on the other, etc.) so you can spread the wealth. Ask the boss after a big outage. Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com ---- "I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man Just a mortal with potential of a superman I'm living on" -DB From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Nov 15 20:56:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA17717 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:56:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from bob.tri-lakes.net ([207.3.81.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA17701 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:56:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@tri-lakes.net) Received: from [207.3.81.149] by bob.tri-lakes.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ea341748 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:56:50 -0600 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:41:04 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Dev Chanchani Subject: RE: Power Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 15-Nov-97 Dev Chanchani wrote: > >We had an extended power outage last night. After realizing that our >UPS's >would not keep our network up for the black-out, I ran to sears with a >credit card and bought a Craftsman generator. > >My lesson in power began :) > >I was wondering if anyone has been through this and could help me on a >couple of points: > >We have our servers, switches and routers plugged into APS UPS's (600's >and 650's). The UPS's are plugged into surge protectors. The surge >protectors are plugged into 15 AMP 12 guage 100 ft extension coards. We >ran the extension cords (took them out of the wall) and plugged them into >the generator. The 650 UPS could not take it, it was flipping between >generator power and UPS power every second. So... my questions are as >follows: Extension cords are usually not a good idea if high currents are being drawn. If they must be used, use very heavy-duty extension cords. 12 gauge might just barely be enough for that kind of distance. >1. Can you plug a UPS -> Surge protector -> generator >2. Are there any specifics I should look for when planning the power >setup >of new servers and racks. >3. How much output does a genarator need per server (as a rule of thumb)? >4. Was the UPS switching from internal power to external power because >the >generator power was fluctuating, not enough power, etc? If you have a multimiter, or even better an O-scope, or even better a power analyzer, plug it in and start watching at various points along the power line. The UPS probably would never try to switch back to line at all if the power isn't clean, so apparently it thought everything was hunky-dory. What probably happened is that when the UPS moved the load from the internal power source back to the mains, the generator couldn't keep up with the quick surge in current, causing output voltage to drop too far, causing the UPS to switch back to internal power.. Of course this would continue forever. One way I can think of doing this is to use a TRUE UPS (i.e. Online UPS), which aren't as picky about their input power, usually. Another way might be to get a much larger generator than is required (one that can take a sudden increase in load without dropping supply voltage). >If anyone has experience with this type of stuff, any help and >information >would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks in advance! > >PS: To anyone who does not have experience in this, you might want to >take >a look, because its not fun to learn these things in total darkness in a >ice storm.. ;) Speaking of ice storms, its about that time of year. I think I need to go visit Sears and find a good generator to use here at home. :-) --- Chris Dillon --- cdillon@tri-lakes.net --- Powered by FreeBSD, the best operating system on the planet. ---- (http://www.freebsd.org)