From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Sep 15 12:08:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA17421 for mobile-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ux5.sp.cs.cmu.edu (UX5.SP.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.198.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA17412 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by ux5.sp.cs.cmu.edu id aa00472; 15 Sep 97 15:07 EDT To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org From: Dave Johnson Subject: IBM EtherJet PC Cards Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:07:38 -0400 Message-ID: <467.874350458@ux5.sp.cs.cmu.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Instead of the familiar IBM Credit Card Adapter for Ethernet PC Card, IBM now sells an Ethernet PCMCIA card called an "EtherJet PC Card". Does anybody know what Ethernet controller chip is used in this thing? Does anyone have this card working with FreeBSD either with or without PAO? Thanks... Dave From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Sep 16 18:00:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA01819 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA01803 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA05947 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709170100.SAA05947@austin.polstra.com> To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: How to select media for PCMIA combo network card? Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:00:04 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I got a new IBM ThinkPad 560 today, and I'm trying to get FreeBSD installed using the network card. I'm completely ignorant about this stuff, as will soon become apparant. The network card is a LinkSys PCMIA combo card (NE2000 compatible). I got it instead of the 3c589 because (a) Mike Smith raves about the NE2000 compatibles for laptops, (b) I couldn't find the Accton card that he recommends all the time, (c) it's listed as a supported card under PAO, and (d) I figured my first choice would be the wrong one, so I decided to start with the cheap card instead of the expensive one. :-) I first tried the install floppy from the most recent snapshot on current.freebsd.org. It didn't recognize the card, which was no big surprise. Next I tried the latest PAO boot floppy. It did recognize the card and set it up with the ed0 driver, as expected. I started the emergency holographic shell and was able to ifconfig the card and so forth. So far so good. Then I tried pinging the laptop from another machine. No response. My hypothesis at this point is that the wrong media is selected for the card. My network is 10base2, and I'm afraid maybe the card is being configured for 10baseT. This guess is based on the fact that commands like ifconfig seem to work fine, but the card isn't responding. (The receive light doesn't blink when I ping it, either.) So ... is there a way to select the media for this card? I tried "link2" on the ifconfig line, and it didn't make any difference. For fun, I tried various combinations of "link1" and "link0" also. Any help would be appreciated! John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Sep 16 20:20:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA09301 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA09287 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.gsoft.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00339; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:48:00 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199709170318.MAA00339@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: John Polstra cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to select media for PCMIA combo network card? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:00:04 MST." <199709170100.SAA05947@austin.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:48:00 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I got a new IBM ThinkPad 560 today, and I'm trying to get FreeBSD > installed using the network card. I'm completely ignorant about > this stuff, as will soon become apparant. It still isn't the greatest, believe me. > The network card is a LinkSys PCMIA combo card (NE2000 compatible). > I got it instead of the 3c589 because (a) Mike Smith raves about the > NE2000 compatibles for laptops, (b) I couldn't find the Accton card > that he recommends all the time, (c) it's listed as a supported card > under PAO, and (d) I figured my first choice would be the wrong one, > so I decided to start with the cheap card instead of the expensive > one. :-) Sounds pretty logical to me. 8) > Next I tried the latest PAO boot floppy. It did recognize the card > and set it up with the ed0 driver, as expected. I started the > emergency holographic shell and was able to ifconfig the card and so > forth. So far so good. Ok. Note that this is bypassing the code in sysinstall that's meant to do that. > So ... is there a way to select the media for this card? I tried > "link2" on the ifconfig line, and it didn't make any difference. > For fun, I tried various combinations of "link1" and "link0" also. There's no standard mechanism for selecting the media on an NE2000 clone. The Accton cards that I rave about do it automagically (you can swap between the two with impunity, and it Just Works). Is there any sort of "DOS setup" program with the card? mike From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Sep 16 21:00:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA11540 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA11531 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA06799; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709170359.UAA06799@austin.polstra.com> To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to select media for PCMIA combo network card? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:48:00 +0930." <199709170318.MAA00339@word.smith.net.au> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:59:58 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Next I tried the latest PAO boot floppy. It did recognize the > > card and set it up with the ed0 driver, as expected. I started > > the emergency holographic shell and was able to ifconfig the card > > and so forth. So far so good. > > Ok. Note that this is bypassing the code in sysinstall that's meant > to do that. OK, but it shouldn't matter, should it? The reason I tried it manually is because I wanted to make sure it would work before committing to the FreeBSD installation. I didn't want it to wipe out the Windows 95 installation that came on the system if it was going to fail, since I might need Windows 95 temporarily in order to run the card setup software and make it work. > There's no standard mechanism for selecting the media on an NE2000 > clone. The Accton cards that I rave about do it automagically (you > can swap between the two with impunity, and it Just Works). > > Is there any sort of "DOS setup" program with the card? Yes, there's a setup program that you're supposed to boot under DOS to install drivers for Windows 95. There's also a program for selecting the media. But it won't run because it's not finding the right drivers. I guess I have to do the Windows 95 setup for it first. I was trying to avoid that because it's a 12-step process that took them two pages to describe. It says on the box that the card "automatically senses media type and polarity" but that's obviously not quite 100% true. :-( John From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Sep 16 21:45:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA14225 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA14218 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.gsoft.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00639; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:13:26 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199709170443.OAA00639@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: John Polstra cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to select media for PCMIA combo network card? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:59:58 MST." <199709170359.UAA06799@austin.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:13:26 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > OK, but it shouldn't matter, should it? No, it shouldn't. > The reason I tried it > manually is because I wanted to make sure it would work before > committing to the FreeBSD installation. I didn't want it to wipe out > the Windows 95 installation that came on the system if it was going to > fail, since I might need Windows 95 temporarily in order to run the > card setup software and make it work. Gotcha. So much notebook stuff is W96-dependant that I tend to leave at least a minimal W95 partition on the disk. Call me a traitor. > Yes, there's a setup program that you're supposed to boot under DOS to > install drivers for Windows 95. There's also a program for selecting > the media. But it won't run because it's not finding the right > drivers. I guess I have to do the Windows 95 setup for it first. I > was trying to avoid that because it's a 12-step process that took them > two pages to describe. Shit. What a mess. > It says on the box that the card "automatically senses media type > and polarity" but that's obviously not quite 100% true. :-( Particularly if there's "a program for selecting the media". Maybe there's an "auto" mode? mike From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Sep 16 22:53:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA18640 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA18624 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA07278; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709170551.WAA07278@austin.polstra.com> To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to select media for PCMIA combo network card? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:13:26 +0930." <199709170443.OAA00639@word.smith.net.au> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:51:51 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Gotcha. So much notebook stuff is W96-dependant that I tend to > leave at least a minimal W95 partition on the disk. Call me a > traitor. Ugh. Understand, this thing came pre-installed and there's no CDROM drive (not to mention no W95 CDROM). There is a procedure for writing a 29-disk set of floppies, though. :-( Will fips work for W95? > > drivers. I guess I have to do the Windows 95 setup for it first. > > I was trying to avoid that because it's a 12-step process that > > took them two pages to describe. > > Shit. What a mess. Yes, well of course I tried it and on step 11 it utterly failed to do anything remotely resembling what the instructions said would happen at that point, leaving the drivers half-installed. Get this, though: I was at least able to run the card's diagnostics at that point, and afterwards I booted up the PAO floppy again and did the ifconfig. Now the thing _does_ respond to pings. So there _is_ a way to get it to talk to the BNC connector. I just have to figure out how I did it ... I am thinking that the easiest solution might be to buy a hub that has a BNC connector on it to tie into my existing network, and then just use the 10baseT interface on the card. There's no way I'm going to put up with booting W95 just to set the media every time. The LinkSys card plus a cheap hub is still probably less expensive than a 3c589. John From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Sep 16 23:08:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA19488 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA19483 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.gsoft.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00906; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:35:53 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199709170605.PAA00906@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: John Polstra cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to select media for PCMIA combo network card? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:51:51 MST." <199709170551.WAA07278@austin.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:35:52 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Gotcha. So much notebook stuff is W96-dependant that I tend to > > leave at least a minimal W95 partition on the disk. Call me a > > traitor. > > Ugh. Understand, this thing came pre-installed and there's no CDROM > drive (not to mention no W95 CDROM). There is a procedure for > writing a 29-disk set of floppies, though. :-( Yeah. That's "standard" apparently. You appear to think about as much of it as I do. 8) > Will fips work for W95? Yup, worked here just fine. > > > drivers. I guess I have to do the Windows 95 setup for it first. > > > I was trying to avoid that because it's a 12-step process that > > > took them two pages to describe. > > > > Shit. What a mess. > > Yes, well of course I tried it and on step 11 it utterly failed to > do anything remotely resembling what the instructions said would > happen at that point, leaving the drivers half-installed. Even better. > Get this, though: I was at least able to run the card's diagnostics at > that point, and afterwards I booted up the PAO floppy again and did > the ifconfig. Now the thing _does_ respond to pings. OK. But once it's been powered down it doesn't talk anymore? > I am thinking that the easiest solution might be to buy a hub that has > a BNC connector on it to tie into my existing network, and then just > use the 10baseT interface on the card. There's no way I'm going to > put up with booting W95 just to set the media every time. The LinkSys > card plus a cheap hub is still probably less expensive than a 3c589. Probably. I'm kinda disgusted that they don't do automatic media selection; we all know it's possible. mike From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Sep 17 08:15:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA18121 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA18116 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00728; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709171513.IAA00728@austin.polstra.com> To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to select media for PCMIA combo network card? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:35:52 +0930." <199709170605.PAA00906@word.smith.net.au> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:13:55 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Get this, though: I was at least able to run the card's > > diagnostics at that point, and afterwards I booted up the PAO > > floppy again and did the ifconfig. Now the thing _does_ respond > > to pings. > > OK. But once it's been powered down it doesn't talk anymore? Well, as a matter of fact, things have changed for the better. It now comes up properly and uses the BNC connector each time. I tried powering off, and I even tried removing the card a couple of times. So I am much happier now. I don't know why it started working. I guess it's possible that installing the W95 drivers or running the diagnostics for the card had the side-effect of saving some state in hardware. Who knows? I wonder whether the 10baseT media will still work if I ever try it ... Anyway, I'm much happier now. :-) I guess I'll still try to keep a small W95 partition at the front of the disk. John From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Sep 17 13:37:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA08884 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from polya.blah.org (slmel7p55.ozemail.com.au [203.22.156.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA08873 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ada@localhost) by polya.blah.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) id GAA01184 for mobile@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:37:02 +1000 (EST) From: Ada T Lim Message-Id: <199709172037.GAA01184@polya.blah.org> Subject: Re: How to select media for PCMIA combo network card? (fwd) To: mobile@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:37:02 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Aaargh, I forgot to cc -mobile. Ada ----- Forwarded message from ada ----- Subject: Re: How to select media for PCMIA combo network card? To: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra) > I am thinking that the easiest solution might be to buy a hub that has > a BNC connector on it to tie into my existing network, and then just > use the 10baseT interface on the card. There's no way I'm going to > put up with booting W95 just to set the media every time. The LinkSys > card plus a cheap hub is still probably less expensive than a 3c589. Yes, but I'd buy the 3c589 simply because it's a better card. The cost of a hub which handles 10B2 + a 10BT 3c589 (which I've seen for $110 in the US) is probably not much more than a cheap card, anyhow. Mike, is there a place in australia to get the accton cards cheap? Ada ----- End of forwarded message from ada ----- From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Sep 17 15:55:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA16882 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp20.portal.net.au [202.12.71.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA16858 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.smith.net.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00481; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:23:05 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199709172253.IAA00481@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Ada T Lim cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to select media for PCMIA combo network card? (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:37:02 +1000." <199709172037.GAA01184@polya.blah.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:23:02 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I am thinking that the easiest solution might be to buy a hub that has > > a BNC connector on it to tie into my existing network, and then just > > use the 10baseT interface on the card. There's no way I'm going to > > put up with booting W95 just to set the media every time. The LinkSys > > card plus a cheap hub is still probably less expensive than a 3c589. > > Yes, but I'd buy the 3c589 simply because it's a better card. The cost > of a hub which handles 10B2 + a 10BT 3c589 (which I've seen for $110 in > the US) is probably not much more than a cheap card, anyhow. I'd dispute that the '589 is a "better card". I have one, and I'm less than overfond of it. > Mike, is there a place in australia to get the accton cards cheap? Gawd, Accton stuff is like dirt around here. We buy from Datacord, who are national and will sell retail. (This is just because they sell the Sharp notebooks we've been using.) If you have good relations with the wholesaler market, try your local "big" wholesaler(s), depending on where you are (eg. Merisel, Express Data, etc.) mike From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Sep 17 16:05:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA17356 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp20.portal.net.au [202.12.71.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA17351 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.smith.net.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00540; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:32:16 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199709172302.IAA00540@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: John Polstra cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to select media for PCMIA combo network card? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:13:55 MST." <199709171513.IAA00728@austin.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:32:11 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Well, as a matter of fact, things have changed for the better. It > now comes up properly and uses the BNC connector each time. I tried > powering off, and I even tried removing the card a couple of times. > So I am much happier now. "Honest, it just started working again". 8) > had the side-effect of saving some state in hardware. Who knows? I > wonder whether the 10baseT media will still work if I ever try it ... What's that about tempting fate? > Anyway, I'm much happier now. :-) I can imagine. You might want to arrange to have a comment archived somewhere to the effect that you have to frob with the card diags to get the BNC port working... mike From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Sep 18 20:27:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA03390 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dcarmich.pr.mcs.net (dcarmich@dcarmich.pr.mcs.net [204.95.63.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA03381; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dcarmich@localhost) by dcarmich.pr.mcs.net (8.8.6/8.8.6-dcarmich) id WAA00319; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:30:56 -0500 From: Douglas Carmichael Message-Id: <199709190330.WAA00319@dcarmich.pr.mcs.net> Subject: A parody of Steve Miller's "Big Ol' Jet Airliner" for the FreeBSD mobile computing movement To: jkh@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:30:56 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jet Airliner (FreeBSD mobile computing version) By: Paul Pena Parody by: Douglas Carmichael (dcarmich@mcs.com) Leavin' /home, out on the road I've been down before Ridin' along in this big ol' jet plane I've been thinkin' about my /home But my kernel seems so far away And I feel like the make's been done Linus's tryin' to make me stay You know I've got to be memmove()ing on Oh, Oh big ol' jet airliner Don't carry me too far away Oh, Oh big ol' jet airliner Cause it's here that I've got to stay Goodbye to all my friends at /home Goodbye to the users I've trusted I've got to go out and make the world I might get rich you know I might get busted But my CPU keeps syscalling me backwards As I get on the 707 Ridin' high I got tears in my eyes You know you got to go through hell Before you get to heaven Big ol' jet airliner Don't carry me too far away Oh, Oh big ol' jet airliner Cause it's here that I've got to stay Touchin' down in Helsinki town Feel the pack-ets comin' down I've got to keep on keepin' on You know the SCSI disk keeps on spinnin' around And I'm goin' with some hesitation You know that I can surely see That I don't want to get caught up in any of that Linux shit goin' down in the city Big ol' jet airliner Don't carry me too far away Oh, Oh big ol' jet airliner Cause it's here that I've got to stay Oh, Oh big ol' jet airliner Don't carry me too far away Oh, Oh big ol' jet airliner Cause it's here that I've got to stay Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah Big ol' jet airliner Don't carry me too far away Oh, Oh big ol' jet airliner Cause it's here that I've got to stay Oh, Oh big ol' jet airliner Carry me to my /home Oh, Oh big ol' jet airliner Cause it's there that I belong From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Sep 18 22:30:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA12925 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA12919 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12071 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709190530.WAA12071@austin.polstra.com> To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: SUMMARY: Selecting media on LinkSys combo card Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:30:51 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This posting is to summarize my experiences with the LinkSys PCMIA combo card, primarily so that something ends up in the archives which people can find again in a search. I initially tried this card with the PAO boot floppy. The card was recognized and responded to ifconfig commands, but I could not make it talk to my network, which was hooked to the BNC connector. The card acted very much like it would have worked if only I had been using the 10baseT connector instead. The solution was to go through the procedure of installing the drivers for Windows 95, as outlined in the instructions that came with the card. Doing that changed something in the ethernet card permanently, such that it now works fine using the BNC connector even under FreeBSD. The fix survives power cycling and removal of the card from the computer. The card (a very cheap NE2000 compatible) has been working flawlessly for me ever since I got it talking to the BNC connector. The one disadvantage I've noticed so far: The connector that plugs into the end of the card collides with the telephone wire that's plugged into the Megahertz X-Jack modem card. It looks like I won't be able to use them at the same time. I'm not sure which card to blame for this. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Sep 18 23:21:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA16333 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 23:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (word.smith.net.au [202.0.75.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA16325 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 23:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.smith.net.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00898; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:49:05 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199709190619.PAA00898@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: John Polstra cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Selecting media on LinkSys combo card In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:30:51 MST." <199709190530.WAA12071@austin.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:49:04 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > The one disadvantage I've noticed so far: The connector that plugs > into the end of the card collides with the telephone wire that's > plugged into the Megahertz X-Jack modem card. It looks like I won't > be able to use them at the same time. I'm not sure which card to > blame for this. For what it's worth, have the same problem with the 3Com 589D I have. It is *just* possible to squeeze the two in if the modem is below and the ether plug above. IMHO, the stupid X-jack connector is at fault here. The only way to sensibly make such a thing work would be for it to swing out away from any likely colocated cards. And imagine trying to use two of them at once. Do you know if it's possible to obtain a cable to fit the plug on the Megahertz card? mike From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 19 00:14:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA20319 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from itojun.csl.sony.co.jp (root@itojun.csl.sony.co.jp [133.138.1.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA20313 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:14:16 -0700 (PDT) From: itojun@itojun.org Received: from localhost (itojun@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by itojun.csl.sony.co.jp (8.8.5/3.3W3) with ESMTP id QAA15476; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:04:46 +0900 (JST) To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Selecting media on LinkSys combo card X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 References: <199709190619.PAA00898@word.smith.net.au> In-reply-to: Mike Smith 's message of Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:49:04 +0930. <199709190619.PAA00898@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: comp (MHng project) version 1997/08/04 03:38:46, by Jun-ichiro Itoh MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:04:36 +0900 Message-ID: <15473.874652676@itojun.csl.sony.co.jp> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >For what it's worth, have the same problem with the 3Com 589D I have. >It is *just* possible to squeeze the two in if the modem is below and >the ether plug above. >IMHO, the stupid X-jack connector is at fault here. The only way to >sensibly make such a thing work would be for it to swing out away from >any likely colocated cards. >And imagine trying to use two of them at once. Do you know if it's >possible to obtain a cable to fit the plug on the Megahertz card? MegaHertz support may say "You should get MegaHertz XJ10BT ethernet card". It has XJack RJ45 connector, and it is on the opposite side of the edge than the XJack RJ11 connector on modem. I like this card. itojun From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 19 00:18:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA20572 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (word.smith.net.au [202.0.75.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA20562 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.smith.net.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01222; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:45:11 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199709190715.QAA01222@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: itojun@itojun.org cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Selecting media on LinkSys combo card In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:04:36 +0900." <15473.874652676@itojun.csl.sony.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:45:05 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >IMHO, the stupid X-jack connector is at fault here. The only way to > >sensibly make such a thing work would be for it to swing out away from > >any likely colocated cards. > >And imagine trying to use two of them at once. Do you know if it's > >possible to obtain a cable to fit the plug on the Megahertz card? > > MegaHertz support may say "You should get MegaHertz XJ10BT > ethernet card". > It has XJack RJ45 connector, and it is on the opposite side of > the edge than the XJack RJ11 connector on modem. I like this card. I use coax. 8) (Think "robust") mike From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 19 02:07:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA26996 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 02:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA26982 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 02:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA01050; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:36:37 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970919183637.44177@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:36:37 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: itojun@itojun.org, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Selecting media on LinkSys combo card References: <15473.874652676@itojun.csl.sony.co.jp> <199709190715.QAA01222@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <199709190715.QAA01222@word.smith.net.au>; from Mike Smith on Fri, Sep 19, 1997 at 04:45:05PM +0930 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, Sep 19, 1997 at 04:45:05PM +0930, Mike Smith wrote: >>> IMHO, the stupid X-jack connector is at fault here. The only way to >>> sensibly make such a thing work would be for it to swing out away from >>> any likely colocated cards. >>> And imagine trying to use two of them at once. Do you know if it's >>> possible to obtain a cable to fit the plug on the Megahertz card? >> >> MegaHertz support may say "You should get MegaHertz XJ10BT >> ethernet card". >> It has XJack RJ45 connector, and it is on the opposite side of >> the edge than the XJack RJ11 connector on modem. I like this card. > > I use coax. 8) > > (Think "robust") What's robust about coax? Greg From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 19 03:49:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA02960 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 03:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (word.smith.net.au [202.0.75.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA02940 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 03:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.smith.net.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03240; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:17:13 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199709191047.UAA03240@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: Mike Smith , itojun@itojun.org, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Selecting media on LinkSys combo card In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:36:37 +0930." <19970919183637.44177@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:17:11 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> MegaHertz support may say "You should get MegaHertz XJ10BT > >> ethernet card". > >> It has XJack RJ45 connector, and it is on the opposite side of > >> the edge than the XJack RJ11 connector on modem. I like this card. > > > > I use coax. 8) > > > > (Think "robust") > > What's robust about coax? As compared to RJ-45 connectors? Well shit, I can walk on it just for starters. We have connectors in the workshop that are so old that the plating on them is black, and our gear doesn't get what you'd call the lightest of treatment. You try tripping over a UTP lead sometime, and unless the hub leaps off the desk and brains someone, you'll be off looking for a new lead. You don't get this sort of junk with coax cable. Yes, crap coax is just as bad as crap UTP. Good coax, OTOH, is a lot better than good UTP can hope to be, purely by design. (Having said all this, there are plenty of places where UTP is definitely the superior solution; it's just the robustness isn't one of the major criteria there...) mike From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 19 12:47:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA03267 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA03244; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:47:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199709191947.MAA03244@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: IBM ThinkPad 365X To: freebsd-hackers Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-mobile X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk anyone used an IBM Think Pad 365X for FreeBSD? it is not listed in hte PAO web pages. hmm... http://www.jp.freebsd.org/PAO/latest/docs/LAPTOP_SURVEY/LTS.txt i missed out on purchasing a 560 ;( and i am looking for a replacement. model 560 365X cost $1k $1k cpu p100 p133 ram 8MB 8MB disk 810MB 1.08GB screen 11.3" DSTN 11.3" DSTN res 800x600 800x600 floppy ext int weight 4lbs 6lbs thanks, jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 19 13:30:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA06041 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA06036 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA15795; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:29:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:29:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian N. Handy" To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: ARRGH! NUM-Lock!!! Message-Id: X-Files: The truth is out there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Heya folks, I got a real polite email from John Polstra yesterday asking me how to change video modes on the TP560 -- you know, the ol' -- thing. "How do you do it?", he queried? D'uh. I can't figure it out. It seems like somehow I need to turn on the numeric keypad on my thinkpad, which is done via a -Scroll-lock. This turns the middle portion of the keyboard into a keypad, replete with the "-" and "+" keys. We don't have this feature in FreeBSD, so I can't figure out how to twiddle the video resolution without changing XF86Config. This would be a real handy feature for those folks with an external monitor -- there's enough video memory to run at 1024x768x8, which is pretty nice. Anybody figure out a secret combination to get around this? Brian From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 19 16:20:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA17474 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from polya.blah.org (slmel7p56.ozemail.com.au [203.22.156.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA17447 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from noether.blah.org (noether.blah.org [10.0.0.23]) by polya.blah.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00632; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:20:07 +1000 (EST) Received: (from ada@localhost) by noether.blah.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA06366; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:19:29 +1000 (EST) From: Ada Lim Message-Id: <199709192319.JAA06366@noether.blah.org> Subject: Re: ARRGH! NUM-Lock!!! In-Reply-To: from "Brian N. Handy" at "Sep 19, 97 01:29:52 pm" To: handy@sag.space.lockheed.com (Brian N. Handy) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:19:28 +1000 (EST) Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > D'uh. I can't figure it out. It seems like somehow I need to turn on the > numeric keypad on my thinkpad, which is done via a -Scroll-lock. > This turns the middle portion of the keyboard into a keypad, replete with > the "-" and "+" keys. Wait... this works perfectly on my 760 - I can press shift-scroll-lock, the little numlock symbol comes up, and my screen changes mode under X. > We don't have this feature in FreeBSD, so I can't figure out how to > twiddle the video resolution without changing XF86Config. This would be a > real handy feature for those folks with an external monitor -- there's > enough video memory to run at 1024x768x8, which is pretty nice. > > Anybody figure out a secret combination to get around this? How does X access the keyboard? Is it possible to remap one of the lesser- used keys to become numeric-plus? Ada -- "Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform." -- Mark Twain From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 19 18:32:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA24174 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA24168 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19361; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709200132.SAA19361@austin.polstra.com> To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Selecting media on LinkSys combo card In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:49:04 +0930." <199709190619.PAA00898@word.smith.net.au> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:32:39 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > IMHO, the stupid X-jack connector is at fault here. I agree. I'm kicking myself, because I was a little bit worried about this problem, and _almost_ bought the slightly cheaper model that doesn't have the XJack. :-( Normally I'll be using the modem on the road and the ethernet at home, so it's not a big deal. But it bugs me anyway. > Do you know if it's possible to obtain a cable to fit the plug on > the Megahertz card? They have a parts catalog at www.mhzparts.com. But they don't show any kind of cable except a normal telephone cable. John