From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Oct 13 05:15:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA18446 for mobile-outgoing; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:15:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from chuck.schiele-ct.de (chuck.schiele-ct.de [193.141.27.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA18368 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:13:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from br@schiele-ct.de) Received: from schiele-ct.de (localhost.schiele-ct.de [127.0.0.1]) by chuck.schiele-ct.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11829 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:16:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199710131216.OAA11829@chuck.schiele-ct.de> To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: recommended PCMCIA modem card? Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:16:58 +0200 From: Bernd Rosauer Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mike Smith: > Prettymuch any plain PCCARD modem card will work fine; the current crop > of USR cards work well, as well as most of the cheaper units around. Thanks to everyone who responded for their recommendations. I got one last question: In Germany, my hardware store recommends the ELSA MicroLink 33.6MC, and the Psion Gold Card Global won a contest. They aren't on PAO's hardware compatibility list. Is there anybody out there who has experience with one these PCCARD modems? Again, thanks a lot for your help! -Bernd From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Oct 14 07:43:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA20826 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:43:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from merit.edu (merit.edu [198.108.1.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA20817 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:43:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from web@merit.edu) Received: from ohm.merit.edu (ohm.merit.edu [198.108.60.65]) by merit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20900 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:43:42 -0400 (EDT) From: William Bulley Received: (web@localhost) by ohm.merit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA17350 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:43:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199710141443.KAA17350@ohm.merit.edu> Subject: obtaining 3COM 3C589C PC-CARDs To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:43:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a laptop which is running older (2.1.5) FreeBSD and for reasons I won't go into is not able to be upgraded to a FreeBSD which understands the 3COM 3C589D PCMCIA card. So, question is: where does one obtain the older (considered "obsolete" by 3COM -- I just called them) 3COM 3C589C PCMCIA card? Do I just start calling vendors one-by-one from the backs of PC magazines? Or is there a more intelligent way to track down one of these puppies? Regards, web... -- William Bulley, N8NXN Senior Systems Research Programmer Merit Network, Inc. Email: web@merit.edu 4251 Plymouth Road, Suite C Phone: (313) 764-9993 Ann Arbor, Michigan 48105-2785 Fax: (313) 647-3185 [ What's all this fuss over the end of the century and mission critial ] [ programs failing due to dates? If people simply started using Roman ] [ Numerials, the problem goes away! MCM = 1900 MIM = 1999 MM = 2000 ] From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Oct 14 17:40:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA00492 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:40:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA00478 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:40:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.gsoft.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00566; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:07:22 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199710150037.KAA00566@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: William Bulley cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: obtaining 3COM 3C589C PC-CARDs In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:43:46 -0400." <199710141443.KAA17350@ohm.merit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:07:21 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have a laptop which is running older (2.1.5) FreeBSD and > for reasons I won't go into is not able to be upgraded to > a FreeBSD which understands the 3COM 3C589D PCMCIA card. If you are using the 'zp' driver, the fix is just the adjustment of a single timeout value. > So, question is: where does one obtain the older (considered > "obsolete" by 3COM -- I just called them) 3COM 3C589C PCMCIA > card? Do I just start calling vendors one-by-one from the > backs of PC magazines? Or is there a more intelligent way > to track down one of these puppies? Chasing a secondhand vendor is one way to go; buy a 'D' and offer to swap it with someone here with a 'c' would be the other. mike From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Oct 14 18:53:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA04541 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:53:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA04517 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:52:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA07645; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 02:26:48 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199710150126.CAA07645@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: William Bulley cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: obtaining 3COM 3C589C PC-CARDs In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:43:46 EDT." <199710141443.KAA17350@ohm.merit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 02:26:48 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have a laptop which is running older (2.1.5) FreeBSD and > for reasons I won't go into is not able to be upgraded to > a FreeBSD which understands the 3COM 3C589D PCMCIA card. > > So, question is: where does one obtain the older (considered > "obsolete" by 3COM -- I just called them) 3COM 3C589C PCMCIA > card? Do I just start calling vendors one-by-one from the > backs of PC magazines? Or is there a more intelligent way > to track down one of these puppies? I'll gladly swap a 3c589c for any of the PAO supported PCCARD network cards (see http://www.jp.FreeBSD.org/PAO). My impression of their performance is somewhat lacking (~200k/sec on average). > Regards, > > web... > > -- > William Bulley, N8NXN Senior Systems Research Programmer > Merit Network, Inc. Email: web@merit.edu > 4251 Plymouth Road, Suite C Phone: (313) 764-9993 > Ann Arbor, Michigan 48105-2785 Fax: (313) 647-3185 > > [ What's all this fuss over the end of the century and mission critial ] > [ programs failing due to dates? If people simply started using Roman ] > [ Numerials, the problem goes away! MCM = 1900 MIM = 1999 MM = 2000 ] -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Oct 14 21:59:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA15971 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:59:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from enterprise.ufp.com (richardl.vip.best.com [206.86.219.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA15961 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:59:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@enterprise.ufp.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by enterprise.ufp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA00335; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710150458.VAA00335@enterprise.ufp.com> From: Charlie Root To: web@merit.edu CC: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199710141443.KAA17350@ohm.merit.edu> (message from William Bulley on Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:43:46 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: obtaining 3COM 3C589C PC-CARDs Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Oct 15 02:37:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA05745 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 02:37:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from www.cep.yale.edu (www.cep.yale.edu [130.132.125.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA05740 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 02:37:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adept@cep.yale.edu) Received: from localhost (adept@localhost) by www.cep.yale.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA08385; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 05:36:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 05:36:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Adept To: Brian Somers cc: William Bulley , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: obtaining 3COM 3C589C PC-CARDs In-Reply-To: <199710150126.CAA07645@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'll gladly swap a 3c589c for any of the PAO supported PCCARD > network cards (see http://www.jp.FreeBSD.org/PAO). My impression > of their performance is somewhat lacking (~200k/sec on average). Woah!? I 've done some benchmarking and I'm getting on my Thinkpad 701C something like 700K/sec with my 3C589B. Basically I've done a huge FTP download of one big file (to eliminate costs of setting up and tearing down TCP connections) and the local file name isa symlink to /dev/null (eliminate costs of writing to the hard drive since both the hard drive and the pcmcia card are interrupt driven). Am I seeing spurious data or is this about right? Ben. From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Oct 15 06:13:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA12181 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:13:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [193.51.12.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA12161 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:12:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@ben.edelweb.fr) Received: from ben.edelweb.fr (ben.edelweb.fr [193.51.12.62]) by edelweb.fr with ESMTP id PAA02955; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:12:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by ben.edelweb.fr (8.8.5/8.6.6) id PAA12265; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:23:08 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:23:05 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben To: Mike Smith cc: Adept , Brian Somers , William Bulley , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3C589 performance (was Re: obtaining 3COM 3C589C PC-CARDs ) In-Reply-To: <199710151304.WAA00569@word.smith.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Mike Smith wrote: > > I 've done some benchmarking and I'm getting on my Thinkpad 701C something > > like 700K/sec with my 3C589B. > > On a silent network, their throughput is fine. Unfortunately, it > appears that the '589 suffers from similar problems to other 3Com cards > on networks with other traffic; I see transfers out of this system as > slow as 50K/sec on a lightly to moderately loaded network. Others have > reported similar experiences with other cards (3C509, 3C59x, 3C90x). I have had this problem before--what you have to make sure ofis: 1) The cards aren't sharing interrupts 2) You aren't using more than one link state for the card at a time (i.e. -link0 link1 -link2) Ben. ____ Ben Samman.................................................ben@edelweb.fr Paris, France Illudium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Oct 15 06:16:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA12434 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:16:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp20.portal.net.au [202.12.71.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA12265 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:14:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00569; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:34:46 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199710151304.WAA00569@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Adept cc: Brian Somers , William Bulley , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3C589 performance (was Re: obtaining 3COM 3C589C PC-CARDs ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Oct 1997 05:36:46 -0400." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:34:45 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I'll gladly swap a 3c589c for any of the PAO supported PCCARD > > network cards (see http://www.jp.FreeBSD.org/PAO). My impression > > of their performance is somewhat lacking (~200k/sec on average). > > Woah!? > > I 've done some benchmarking and I'm getting on my Thinkpad 701C something > like 700K/sec with my 3C589B. On a silent network, their throughput is fine. Unfortunately, it appears that the '589 suffers from similar problems to other 3Com cards on networks with other traffic; I see transfers out of this system as slow as 50K/sec on a lightly to moderately loaded network. Others have reported similar experiences with other cards (3C509, 3C59x, 3C90x). mike From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Oct 15 06:51:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA15486 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:51:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp20.portal.net.au [202.12.71.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA15435 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:50:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00752; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:15:57 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199710151345.XAA00752@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Ben cc: Mike Smith , Adept , Brian Somers , William Bulley , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3C589 performance (was Re: obtaining 3COM 3C589C PC-CARDs ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:23:05 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:15:56 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I 've done some benchmarking and I'm getting on my Thinkpad 701C something > > > like 700K/sec with my 3C589B. > > > > On a silent network, their throughput is fine. Unfortunately, it > > appears that the '589 suffers from similar problems to other 3Com cards > > on networks with other traffic; I see transfers out of this system as > > slow as 50K/sec on a lightly to moderately loaded network. Others have > > reported similar experiences with other cards (3C509, 3C59x, 3C90x). > > I have had this problem before--what you have to make sure ofis: > > 1) The cards aren't sharing interrupts You can't share interrupts with a PCCARD. > 2) You aren't using more than one link state for the card at a time > (i.e. -link0 link1 -link2) ep0: flags=a843 mtu 1500 inet 202.0.75.17 netmask 0xfffffff0 broadcast 202.0.75.31 ether 00:60:97:88:e7:93 On the same network, talking to the same client, an NE2000-clone-equipped laptop achieves around 700k/sec. I'm looking forward to the changes recently committed to the if_ep driver in the hope that this will help, although I am about to lose my 589 when I have to give the cable back. mike From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Oct 15 09:00:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA27180 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:00:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (SRI-56K-FR.mt.net [206.127.65.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA27167 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:00:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA02672; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA11838; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:58:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:58:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199710151558.JAA11838@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: Adept , Brian Somers , William Bulley , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3C589 performance (was Re: obtaining 3COM 3C589C PC-CARDs ) In-Reply-To: <199710151304.WAA00569@word.smith.net.au> References: <199710151304.WAA00569@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ Bad throughput on 3c589 cards ] > On a silent network, their throughput is fine. Unfortunately, it > appears that the '589 suffers from similar problems to other 3Com cards > on networks with other traffic; I see transfers out of this system as > slow as 50K/sec on a lightly to moderately loaded network. Others have > reported similar experiences with other cards (3C509, 3C59x, 3C90x). Hmm, I use our 3c589 on SRI-MP's *wiped out* network, and get the same sorts of performances that the Sparc-20's get, which about 500-700K/sec. Nothing spectacular, but the network is saturated with NFS traffic most of the time, so collisions are a regular occurance. (I have gotten speeds of 850K/sec on our lightly loaded SRI-MT network though...) Nate From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Oct 15 15:54:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA16029 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:54:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA15987 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:54:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA18033; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:37:33 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199710151937.UAA18033@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Mike Smith cc: Adept , Brian Somers , William Bulley , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3C589 performance (was Re: obtaining 3COM 3C589C PC-CARDs ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:34:45 +0930." <199710151304.WAA00569@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:37:33 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I'll gladly swap a 3c589c for any of the PAO supported PCCARD > > > network cards (see http://www.jp.FreeBSD.org/PAO). My impression > > > of their performance is somewhat lacking (~200k/sec on average). > > > > Woah!? > > > > I 've done some benchmarking and I'm getting on my Thinkpad 701C something > > like 700K/sec with my 3C589B. > > On a silent network, their throughput is fine. Unfortunately, it > appears that the '589 suffers from similar problems to other 3Com cards > on networks with other traffic; I see transfers out of this system as > slow as 50K/sec on a lightly to moderately loaded network. Others have > reported similar experiences with other cards (3C509, 3C59x, 3C90x). > > mike My latest experiences were with the 2.2.2 PAO install floppy from www.jp.freebsd.org/PAO and a silent network w/ a SMC DEC21040 on the other end of an ftp install :-( I've never had much luck w/ 3com :-( Of course my mileage may vary on my 2.2-STABLE laptop. I haven't measured throughput in a while (the 200k/s install was on a friends machine last weekend). -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Oct 15 16:51:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA19193 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:51:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp20.portal.net.au [202.12.71.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA19178 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:51:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02289; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:16:47 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199710152346.JAA02289@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Nate Williams cc: Mike Smith , Adept , Brian Somers , William Bulley , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3C589 performance (was Re: obtaining 3COM 3C589C PC-CARDs ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:58:58 CST." <199710151558.JAA11838@rocky.mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:16:45 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > [ Bad throughput on 3c589 cards ] > > > On a silent network, their throughput is fine. Unfortunately, it > > appears that the '589 suffers from similar problems to other 3Com cards > > on networks with other traffic; I see transfers out of this system as > > slow as 50K/sec on a lightly to moderately loaded network. Others have > > reported similar experiences with other cards (3C509, 3C59x, 3C90x). > > Hmm, I use our 3c589 on SRI-MP's *wiped out* network, and get the same > sorts of performances that the Sparc-20's get, which about 500-700K/sec. > Nothing spectacular, but the network is saturated with NFS traffic most > of the time, so collisions are a regular occurance. Is that inbound or outbound? Inbound I see similar figures, it's outbound that the problems arise. mike From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Oct 15 17:01:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA19734 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:01:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (SRI-56K-FR.mt.net [206.127.65.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA19722 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:00:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA05718; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:00:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA14841; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:00:45 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:00:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199710160000.SAA14841@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: Nate Williams , Adept , Brian Somers , William Bulley , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3C589 performance (was Re: obtaining 3COM 3C589C PC-CARDs ) In-Reply-To: <199710152346.JAA02289@word.smith.net.au> References: <199710151558.JAA11838@rocky.mt.sri.com> <199710152346.JAA02289@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > [ Bad throughput on 3c589 cards ] > > > > > On a silent network, their throughput is fine. Unfortunately, it > > > appears that the '589 suffers from similar problems to other 3Com cards > > > on networks with other traffic; I see transfers out of this system as > > > slow as 50K/sec on a lightly to moderately loaded network. Others have > > > reported similar experiences with other cards (3C509, 3C59x, 3C90x). > > > > Hmm, I use our 3c589 on SRI-MP's *wiped out* network, and get the same > > sorts of performances that the Sparc-20's get, which about 500-700K/sec. > > Nothing spectacular, but the network is saturated with NFS traffic most > > of the time, so collisions are a regular occurance. > > Is that inbound or outbound? Inbound I see similar figures, it's > outbound that the problems arise. Both ways. Nate From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Oct 16 22:09:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA20060 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:09:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA20055 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:09:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from handy@sag.space.lockheed.com) Received: from localhost by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA17773; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:09:52 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:09:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian N. Handy" To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: I have a CD-rom! Message-Id: X-Files: The truth is out there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, I just shopped around Fry's today and found myself a PCCARD-based cdrom. My laptop supplier just spent two months getting me *another* printer-port based unit! I was pretty annoyed so I just bought the thing myself. I have a Sony DISCman that comes with the Adaptec SCSI card, $300US. The scsi card appealed to me is mostly why I went with this particular unit. The downslide is it's not powered through the pccard port, and I'm waffling on that issue. I haven't yet decided if that's an important selling point or not. (Mostly dependent on how the boss decides to use this...if it sits on his desk at work all the time, no prob. If he decides suddenly to take it everywhere, well, I'll have to think about it.) So anyway, if anyone has an opinion here I'd like to hear it. As an aside, I can't get it to allocate a driver. The PCCARD entry is straight out of the sample pccard list: # Adaptec SlimSCSI card "Adaptec, Inc." "APA-1460 SCSI Host " config 0x9 "aic0" 10 insert echo Adaptec Slim SCSI inserted remove echo Adaptec Slim SCSI removed At the moment, it's the only card in the system, but IRQ 10 is also used by the modem. I'm safe there -- it's one of those @#%^! x-jack modems so you can't have both plugged in very well at the same time. :-/ The error I get is: driver allocation failed for Adaptec, Inc. Oho, but I've got it in my kernel: controller aic0 at isa? port 0x340 bio irq 11 vector aicintr And the associated dmesg: aic0 not found at 0x340 I'm still playing, but if there's a short and sweet answer to this I'd love to hear it. (Also if I'm making a mistake with this model that'd be good too.) Thanks! Brian From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Oct 16 22:51:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA22106 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:51:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from word.smith.net.au (word.smith.net.au [202.0.75.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA22099 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:51:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.smith.net.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01009; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:17:55 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199710170547.PAA01009@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Brian N. Handy" cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I have a CD-rom! In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:09:52 MST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:17:53 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well, I just shopped around Fry's today and found myself a PCCARD-based > cdrom. My laptop supplier just spent two months getting me *another* > printer-port based unit! I was pretty annoyed so I just bought the thing > myself. Hah. This is what you get for not thinking ahead and buying a laptop with one integrated. People laugh at me for recommending this; "they're so BIG and HEAVY", but when I slap a CD in and blast them out of the room, or suck stuff off one to save the day, well, who's laughing THEN? 8) > As an aside, I can't get it to allocate a driver. The PCCARD entry is > straight out of the sample pccard list: This usually means that pccardd is not matching what it gets back from the card against the pccard.conf entry, or the resources requested by the entry aren't available. > # Adaptec SlimSCSI > card "Adaptec, Inc." "APA-1460 SCSI Host " > config 0x9 "aic0" 10 > insert echo Adaptec Slim SCSI inserted > remove echo Adaptec Slim SCSI removed As well as this, we'll need the 'pccardc dumpcis' output and the resource declarations from the top of your /etc/pccard.conf file. I suspect that either the trailing space in your version string is wrong, or that config index 0x9 requires resources you haven't made available. > At the moment, it's the only card in the system, but IRQ 10 is also used > by the modem. I'm safe there -- it's one of those @#%^! x-jack modems so > you can't have both plugged in very well at the same time. :-/ You can plug it in, you just can't use the (*&^%*&^% thing. Talk about a rectal irritation. Also, you will need the PAO patches to the aic driver (at least) to get this working under mainstream FreeBSD. Let me know if you need help with this. mike From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Oct 17 08:32:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA17521 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:32:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA17511 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:32:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from handy@sag.space.lockheed.com) Received: from localhost by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA10804; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:30:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:30:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian N. Handy" To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I have a CD-rom! In-Reply-To: <199710170547.PAA01009@word.smith.net.au> Message-Id: X-Files: The truth is out there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Mike Smith wrote: >> [I got a CD-rom] > >Hah. This is what you get for not thinking ahead and buying a laptop >with one integrated. People laugh at me for recommending this; >"they're so BIG and HEAVY", but when I slap a CD in and blast them out >of the room, or suck stuff off one to save the day, well, who's >laughing THEN? 8) Yea, but aside from initial bootstrap of Win95 and stuff, I haven't needed one. So for the last two months you've been schlepping it around, and I haven't. The CDrom on my desktop PC has been sitting idle for months. Some people use them a lot, but for what I do they're rarely useful, so I'm still happy with[out] it. As soon as this unit (or a similar one) works, it's gone. >As well as this, we'll need the 'pccardc dumpcis' output and the >resource declarations from the top of your /etc/pccard.conf file. I >suspect that either the trailing space in your version string is wrong, >or that config index 0x9 requires resources you haven't made available. AAARgh, there it is: 'pccardc dumpcis'. I was sorta tired last night and couldn't remember this command. Tried to puzzle it out, but I know the problem I think: no man page? >Also, you will need the PAO patches to the aic driver (at least) to get >this working under mainstream FreeBSD. Let me know if you need help >with this. Hmm, that's a drag. Oh well, I've already decided to take it back and get a unit that's powered through the pccard port. I'd like to avoid having to make the jump to PAO if I can; the boss' laptop is somewhere else and I don't *really* want to spend a weekend getting the PAO stuff working, just so I can go do it again on his machine! :-/ Sigh. Thanks for the help. Brian From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Oct 17 08:50:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA18408 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (SRI-56K-FR.mt.net [206.127.65.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA18399 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:49:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA19149; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:49:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA20318; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199710171549.JAA20318@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Brian N. Handy" Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I have a CD-rom! In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well, I just shopped around Fry's today and found myself a PCCARD-based > cdrom. My laptop supplier just spent two months getting me *another* > printer-port based unit! I was pretty annoyed so I just bought the thing > myself. > > I have a Sony DISCman that comes with the Adaptec SCSI card, $300US. The > scsi card appealed to me is mostly why I went with this particular unit. Are you running the PAO patches? If not, they it won't work (yet) on -current since the patches to the driver aren't complete. Which model Sony? I have one as well, and I was hoping to merge in the Sony patches from PAO into -current to see if it might work. > The downslide is it's not powered through the pccard port, and I'm > waffling on that issue. What's not powered through the port? The CD player? There a *really* good reason for that, mainly battery life. You're box (and mine) don't have the battery *oomph* to power the player for anything other than a short period of time. My Sony has the ability to throw in a rechargable battery pack, and also has a base that you can stick a couple of AA batteries in it as well for 'external' power. Nate From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Oct 17 08:53:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA18612 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:53:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (SRI-56K-FR.mt.net [206.127.65.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA18606 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:53:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA19171; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:53:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA20329; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:53:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:53:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199710171553.JAA20329@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: "Brian N. Handy" , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I have a CD-rom! In-Reply-To: <199710170547.PAA01009@word.smith.net.au> References: <199710170547.PAA01009@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Well, I just shopped around Fry's today and found myself a PCCARD-based > > cdrom. My laptop supplier just spent two months getting me *another* > > printer-port based unit! I was pretty annoyed so I just bought the thing > > myself. > > Hah. This is what you get for not thinking ahead and buying a laptop > with one integrated. People laugh at me for recommending this; > "they're so BIG and HEAVY", but when I slap a CD in and blast them out > of the room, or suck stuff off one to save the day, well, who's > laughing THEN? 8) I would be, since I use a CD 2% of the time, and am on the road 15% of the time, lugging around a useless CD-ROM plus all of the 'support' weight for having the flexiblity. And, when *your* batteries go dead on a trip across the country (which they will fairly quickly), I can still listen to my CD's on the headphones. (Assuming I've brought the player along :) Nate From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Oct 17 09:09:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA19484 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:09:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA19479 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:09:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09207; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710171609.JAA09207@austin.polstra.com> To: nate@mt.sri.com Subject: Re: Recent changes to -current In-Reply-To: <199710060613.AAA28776@rocky.mt.sri.com> References: <199710060613.AAA28776@rocky.mt.sri.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:09:01 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199710060613.AAA28776@rocky.mt.sri.com>, Nate Williams wrote: > I just made some changes to the pccard code that might affect people. [...] > 2) Code to make the modem 'speaker' code work on CIRRUS logic chips. It > didn't seem to negatively affect my box (which has the chip), but > neither did I check to see if it did anything with my modem differently. Thanks! I tried it on an IBM 560 with a Megahertz 33.6 modem and it worked fine for me. > 3) A new sysctl was added 'machdep.pccard.apm_pccard_resume', which > defaults to 0. This is basically the PAO code that some have assured > me makes their systems suspend/resume with cards work 100% flawless. > Since it's new, it's disabled by default, but can be easily enabled. > I'd like people to try it out (especially those who have complained > lately that suspend/resume doesn't work with cards inserted), and see > if it makes things better. > > > Note also the other option that PHK converted to a sysctl (which I > copied to I could easily "syctl" the new option above). You may want to > set 'machdep.pccard.pcic_resume_reset' to 1 as well to see if that makes > any differences one way or the other. I haven't played with these sysctls much yet. But I tried setting both of them to 1, enabling apm, and doing a suspend. I'm still pretty clueless about laptops, so maybe I didn't do it right. The machine hung solid on the way into the suspend. I had to cycle the power to recover. Bummer -- suspend and resume with pccards seemed to work OK under 2.2.2-PAO. Oh well, at least the modem makes noise now. :-) John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Oct 18 09:28:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA24418 for mobile-outgoing; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:28:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from trefoil.bogs.org (root@bogslab.ucdavis.edu [128.120.162.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA24413 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:28:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from greg@myrtle.bogs.org) Received: from myrtle.bogs.org (root@myrtle.bogs.org [198.137.203.39]) by trefoil.bogs.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07576 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myrtle.bogs.org (greg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by myrtle.bogs.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA04393 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:28:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199710181628.JAA04393@myrtle.bogs.org> To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: SIIG SCSI Wiz PCMCIA $140 Reply-To: gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:28:38 -0700 From: Greg Shenaut Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What's the story on this card? Has anyone used it on their laptop under 2.2.?/PAO? It appears to bear a good price tag. -Greg Shenaut From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Oct 18 14:08:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA04555 for mobile-outgoing; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:08:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from ns.frihet.com (frihet.bayarea.net [205.219.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA04534; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:08:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tweten@ns.frihet.com) Received: from ns.frihet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.frihet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05318; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710182103.OAA05318@ns.frihet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 Reply-To: "David E. Tweten" To: mobile@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: PC Card SCSI for 2.2 Stable? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:03:46 -0700 From: "David E. Tweten" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I may have just (okay, several weeks ago) wasted my money buying an Adaptec SlimSCSI PCMCIA HBA card. I've been unable to get it to work on a FreeBSD system, CVSupped from RELENG_2_2 about a week ago. The machine is an NEC Versa 6030X laptop which has only two remaining interrupts available after all the built-in stuff has been accounted for. They are INTs 11 and 15. Though the Adaptec box said nothing about interrupt requirements, the card's Card Information Structure (CIS) says it can only use INTs 3 or 5. Needless to say, I haven't been able to make it work. The card is now temporarily in the hands of a co-worker who wants to try it out with NetBSD. He maintains my problem is bogus behavior on the part of FreeBSD. He says Card Services in FreeBSD should just have mapped the one actual interrupt line on a PC card to whatever host interrupt it wished from the pool, ignoring the CIS. I just bought a copy of MindShare's PCMCIA book, and haven't yet finished reading TFM. Still, being impatient, I have the following questions: 1) Is my young NetBSD-loving friend right? Should FreeBSD 2.2-Stable Card Services have been able to handle the situation? If so, is it being fixed? After I finish the book, can I help? That way, I'll actually be able to _use_ my purchase when Jason is through with it. 2) If he is merely exposing his religeous devotion to NetBSD (which can be awesome to behold), what SCSI HBA PC cards are there that will work with FreeBSD on interrupts 11 or 15? It seems one can't depend upon the outside of the box for this kind of critical information. Thanks for any enlightenment you can provide. -- David E. 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From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Oct 18 14:53:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA06230 for mobile-outgoing; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:53:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-mobile) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (SRI-56K-FR.mt.net [206.127.65.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA06210; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:53:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA00427; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:53:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA24450; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199710182153.PAA24450@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "David E. Tweten" Cc: mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PC Card SCSI for 2.2 Stable? In-Reply-To: <199710182103.OAA05318@ns.frihet.com> References: <199710182103.OAA05318@ns.frihet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I may have just (okay, several weeks ago) wasted my money buying an Adaptec > SlimSCSI PCMCIA HBA card. I've been unable to get it to work on a FreeBSD > system, CVSupped from RELENG_2_2 about a week ago. The patches to make it work aren't in any version of 'FreeBSD' right now, although there has been recent interest. The patches to make it work are part of the PAO release however. (Note, even if the patches are brought in, they certainly won't be in 2.2.5). > The card is now temporarily in the hands of a co-worker who wants to try it > out with NetBSD. He maintains my problem is bogus behavior on the part of > FreeBSD. He says Card Services in FreeBSD should just have mapped the one > actual interrupt line on a PC card to whatever host interrupt it wished from > the pool, ignoring the CIS. The card simply isn't support with the current drivers, so your friend is neither right nor wrong. Nate