From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 2 06:07:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA12490 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 06:07:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA12468 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 06:06:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 9:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14544; Sun, 2 Mar 97 09:05:50 EST Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA18837; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 09:03:24 -0500 Message-Id: <19970302090324.40461@ct.picker.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 09:03:24 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: Amancio Hasty Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Restarting CONTINUOUS/updating during CONTINUOUS References: <19970224210138.28839@ct.picker.com> <199703020404.UAA00713@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61 In-Reply-To: <199703020404.UAA00713@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Mar 03, 1997 at 08:04:52PM Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty: |In order to change the geometry , you must first stop the capture process. |In the case of the SVIDEO extensions , you must: |1. first stop the capture process, |2. issue the new SVIDEO parameters |3. reissue a geometry call |> ioctl( video, METEORSVIDEO, &meteor_video ); | | *THIS WILL NOT WORK* |> ioctl( video, METEORSVIDEO, &meteor_video ); |> ioctl( video, METEORSETGEO, &geo ); | |Now this is more like it 8) The driver does a nice job of modeling the device as a set of capture parameters that you set up first, and then you initiate capture. To hide details associated with the ordering implicit in driver's building of the RISC program, what about rebuilding the program from scratch using the driver parameters each time a "parameter set" ioctl is received. On that thread, which attributes can be set while capture is in progress (i.e. during 1 frame, N frames, or continuous acquisitions), and which required that the capture be stopped before they can be set? (contrast, brightness, input, format, etc.)? Browsing the driver, I see any old CAP_MASK checks are commented out, except for those in the start and stop capture flows (unless I missed something), but wanted to check that what this implies is actually true in general. Thanks, Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 2 09:16:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21750 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 09:16:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA21745 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 09:16:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:15:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17010; Sun, 2 Mar 97 12:15:36 EST Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA18950; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:13:14 -0500 Message-Id: <19970302121314.07959@ct.picker.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:13:14 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: Amancio Hasty Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: to anyone with the bt848 databook... References: <199703020034.QAA00389@rah.star-gate.com> <199703020153.RAA00410@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61 In-Reply-To: <199703020153.RAA00410@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Mar 03, 1997 at 05:53:04PM Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty: | Thomas Arnold fax the needed pages and I think that I |managed to fix the bug which Randall Hopper Cool! I look forward to the next driver rev. Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 2 11:56:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28300 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28275 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:56:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05752; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:56:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703021956.LAA05752@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Randall Hopper cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Restarting CONTINUOUS/updating during CONTINUOUS In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 09:03:24 EST." <19970302090324.40461@ct.picker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 11:56:13 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Randall Hopper : > Amancio Hasty: > |In order to change the geometry , you must first stop the capture process. > |In the case of the SVIDEO extensions , you must: > |1. first stop the capture process, > |2. issue the new SVIDEO parameters > |3. reissue a geometry call > > |> ioctl( video, METEORSVIDEO, &meteor_video ); > | > | *THIS WILL NOT WORK* > > |> ioctl( video, METEORSVIDEO, &meteor_video ); > |> ioctl( video, METEORSETGEO, &geo ); > | > |Now this is more like it 8) > > The driver does a nice job of modeling the device as a set of capture > parameters that you set up first, and then you initiate capture. > > To hide details associated with the ordering implicit in driver's > building of the RISC program, what about rebuilding the program from > scratch using the driver parameters each time a "parameter set" ioctl is > received. Yes, this is a good idea however what we need is a high level library to hide the low level idiosyncrasies required by the hardware and to a lesser extent compatibility with the matrox meteor driver. I will tighten the existing policies by returning the appropriate error codes . 1. setting the color format requires the capture process to be stopped and a corresponding geometry call. This should not be a surprised since the color format is part of the geometry paramaters and it does require the "risc program" to be rebuilt. 2. set frame rate requires the capture process to be stopped. No geometry call is necessary to be re-issue. I will try to document all this issues on my next release of the driver. Have fun, Amancio > On that thread, which attributes can be set while capture is in > progress (i.e. during 1 frame, N frames, or continuous acquisitions), and > which required that the capture be stopped before they can be set? > (contrast, brightness, input, format, etc.)? Browsing the driver, I see > any old CAP_MASK checks are commented out, except for those in the start > and stop capture flows (unless I missed something), but wanted to check > that what this implies is actually true in general. > > Thanks, > > Randall > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 2 18:29:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21947 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21939 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:29:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id SAA04525 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:28:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma004521; Sun Mar 2 18:28:27 1997 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id SAA23088 for freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:28:27 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199703030228.SAA23088@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: multicast firewall implications To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:28:27 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a lot of questions... :-) What are the firewall implications of having a multicast router? Is there an accepted standard way of safely combining the two? Suppose machine A is a protected internal machine, and this machine is to run mrouted(8), serving as the local end of a multi-cast tunnel. The other (upstream) end of the tunnel is machine B which is external. Is it sufficient to open a hole in the firewall for all traffic between A and B for IP protocol 4 (IP-in-IP) only? To what degree does opening this hole compromise the security of the internal network? What non-multicast traffic is associated with multi-cast routing or with the popular MBONE applications (sdr, vat, vic, etc.), if any? Do IP packets destined for 224.x.x.x ever "jump across" into normal class A, B, or C addresses? Thanks, -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 2 19:10:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA23999 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:10:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23994 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:10:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11521; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:10:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703030310.TAA11521@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Archie Cobbs cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: multicast firewall implications In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 18:28:27 PST." <199703030228.SAA23088@bubba.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 19:10:51 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I think is safe to run ip multicast because usually there are no servers listening to ip multicast address. Most of the ip multicast apps are for audio, video, text, etc.. In a firewall environment , the problems come in when you want to do ip multicast to unicast, like with mtrace. Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of Archie Cobbs : > > I have a lot of questions... :-) > > What are the firewall implications of having a multicast router? Is there > an accepted standard way of safely combining the two? > > Suppose machine A is a protected internal machine, and this machine is to > run mrouted(8), serving as the local end of a multi-cast tunnel. The other > (upstream) end of the tunnel is machine B which is external. > > Is it sufficient to open a hole in the firewall for all traffic between > A and B for IP protocol 4 (IP-in-IP) only? > > To what degree does opening this hole compromise the security of the > internal network? > > What non-multicast traffic is associated with multi-cast routing or > with the popular MBONE applications (sdr, vat, vic, etc.), if any? > > Do IP packets destined for 224.x.x.x ever "jump across" into normal > class A, B, or C addresses? > > Thanks, > -Archie > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 3 10:41:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19971 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:41:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19966 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:41:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16885(6)>; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:37:18 PST Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177476>; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:36:53 -0800 To: Archie Cobbs cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: multicast firewall implications In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 97 18:28:27 PST." <199703030228.SAA23088@bubba.whistle.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:36:44 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <97Mar3.103653pst.177476@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Archie Cobbs wrote: >Is it sufficient to open a hole in the firewall for all traffic between >A and B for IP protocol 4 (IP-in-IP) only? You also need IP protocol 2 (IGMP) for the DVMRP routing messages. >To what degree does opening this hole compromise the security of the >internal network? It allows multicast traffic destined for groups to which internal machines are joined to flow onto your network. >What non-multicast traffic is associated with multi-cast routing or >with the popular MBONE applications (sdr, vat, vic, etc.), if any? Just the tunnel traffic you mentioned above. >Do IP packets destined for 224.x.x.x ever "jump across" into normal >class A, B, or C addresses? Only through an application designed to do so. Bill From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 3 12:02:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24211 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:02:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24206 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:02:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA10129; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:01:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma010125; Mon Mar 3 12:01:04 1997 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA26146; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:01:04 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199703032001.MAA26146@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: multicast firewall implications In-Reply-To: <97Mar3.103653pst.177476@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> from Bill Fenner at "Mar 3, 97 10:36:44 am" To: fenner@parc.xerox.com (Bill Fenner) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:01:04 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Archie Cobbs wrote: > >Is it sufficient to open a hole in the firewall for all traffic between > >A and B for IP protocol 4 (IP-in-IP) only? > > You also need IP protocol 2 (IGMP) for the DVMRP routing messages. > > >To what degree does opening this hole compromise the security of the > >internal network? > > It allows multicast traffic destined for groups to which internal > machines are joined to flow onto your network. > > >What non-multicast traffic is associated with multi-cast routing or > >with the popular MBONE applications (sdr, vat, vic, etc.), if any? > > Just the tunnel traffic you mentioned above. > > >Do IP packets destined for 224.x.x.x ever "jump across" into normal > >class A, B, or C addresses? > > Only through an application designed to do so. Thanks! So assuming you had a mrouted(8) tunnel between remote-gw (external machine on the ISP's network) and local-gw (internal machine behind the firewall) you might install these "holes" on some intervening packet filtering machine... ipfw add 100 allow igmp from remote-gw local-gw ipfw add 100 allow igmp from local-gw remote-gw ipfw add 100 allow ipencap from remote-gw local-gw ipfw add 100 allow ipencap from local-gw remote-gw ...and this would be all you would need? Looks pretty easy then. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 3 14:07:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA01581 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:07:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01575 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:07:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15925(3)>; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:06:48 PST Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177476>; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:06:42 -0800 To: Archie Cobbs cc: fenner@parc.xerox.com (Bill Fenner), freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: multicast firewall implications In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Mar 97 12:01:04 PST." <199703032001.MAA26146@bubba.whistle.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:06:31 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <97Mar3.140642pst.177476@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Archie Cobbs wrote: >So assuming you had a mrouted(8) tunnel between remote-gw (external >machine on the ISP's network) and local-gw (internal machine behind >the firewall) you might install these "holes" on some intervening >packet filtering machine... > > ipfw add 100 allow igmp from remote-gw local-gw > ipfw add 100 allow igmp from local-gw remote-gw > ipfw add 100 allow ipencap from remote-gw local-gw > ipfw add 100 allow ipencap from local-gw remote-gw > >...and this would be all you would need? Looks pretty easy then. Yup, looks right. Bill From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 3 19:48:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA20655 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:48:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20650; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:48:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA18509; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:45:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <331B9A36.41C67EA6@whistle.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 19:42:46 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org CC: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: [FUN/WORK] BSD Networking virtual meeting. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'd like to set up a 'virtual meeting' with the intent of 1/ trying to see if we can make something useful out of the Mbone. 2/ Try get a good forum together to discuss some problems that I'm seeing, and changes that people are contemplating with the networking code. I know that garret has some things he'd like to see changed (per host cache) (whatever that is) and I'm struggling with making routes and ifaddrs go away at the right time. It'd be nice to see if we can figure out to get a meeting together to discuss these things and help us all co-ordinate this, as well as trying to see if we can get as many people involved as a learning experience as possible. I'd like ot have an mbone section with a 'chat room' along side so that people with no access to mbone can also learn something.. "BSD university" :) is there anyone else who'd be intersted? I'm not only looking for people to watch but I'd like to have maybe Bill Fenner and Garret on hand too to discuss the pro's and cons of some of the things that I think might come up. It might even be possible to get some of the EX CSRG folks in if it sounds like it might be useful. Certainly this idea comes from my own frustration in not being able to get my mind around the damn routing code.. there's always some !@#$ gotcha that makes anything I want to do non-trivial. Certainly if we can once work out the technology for this we should be able to use it to great effect! julian From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 3 20:33:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA22246 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22240; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:33:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00432; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:33:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703040433.UAA00432@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Julian Elischer cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [FUN/WORK] BSD Networking virtual meeting. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Mar 1997 19:42:46 PST." <331B9A36.41C67EA6@whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 20:33:10 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk well, It shouldn't be too hard to meet in the FreeBSD MBone Lounge channel. Yes, it is useful if the pertinent parties are in the Lounge. It is sort of like meeting face to face and the exchange rate is very good. Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of Julian Elischer : > I'd like to set up a 'virtual meeting' with the intent of > 1/ trying to see if we can make something useful out of the > Mbone. > 2/ Try get a good forum together to discuss some problems that > I'm seeing, and changes that people are contemplating with > the networking code. > > I know that garret has some things he'd like to see changed > (per host cache) (whatever that is) > and I'm struggling with making routes and ifaddrs go away at > the right time. > > It'd be nice to see if we can figure out to get > a meeting together to discuss these things > and help us all co-ordinate this, > as well as trying to see if we can get as many people > involved as a learning experience as possible. > > I'd like ot have an mbone section with a 'chat room' > along side so that people with no access to > mbone can also learn something.. > > "BSD university" :) > > is there anyone else who'd be intersted? > I'm not only looking for people to watch but I'd like to have > maybe Bill Fenner and Garret on hand too to discuss > the pro's and cons of some of the things that I think > might come up. It might even be possible to get some of the > EX CSRG folks in if it sounds like it might be useful. > > > Certainly this idea comes from my own frustration > in not being able to get my mind around the damn > routing code.. there's always some !@#$ gotcha that makes anything > I want to do non-trivial. > > > Certainly if we can once work out the technology for this we should > be able to use it to great effect! > > > julian From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 3 21:35:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA25038 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25023; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:35:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA10855; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:04:11 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199703040534.QAA10855@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: [FUN/WORK] BSD Networking virtual meeting. In-Reply-To: <199703040433.UAA00432@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Mar 3, 97 08:33:10 pm" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:04:10 +1030 (CST) Cc: julian@whistle.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty stands accused of saying: > It shouldn't be too hard to meet in the FreeBSD MBone Lounge channel. > Yes, it is useful if the pertinent parties are in the Lounge. > > It is sort of like meeting face to face and the exchange rate > is very good. Now I have a link worth something, I have to ask if there's a good pointer to getting connected to the Mbone in the first place? -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 3 21:42:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA25484 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:42:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25472; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00905; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:42:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703040542.VAA00905@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Michael Smith cc: julian@whistle.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [FUN/WORK] BSD Networking virtual meeting. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Mar 1997 16:04:10 +1030." <199703040534.QAA10855@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 21:42:11 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just ask your ISP for mbone connectivity. If not just post back. Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of Michael Smith : > Amancio Hasty stands accused of saying: > > It shouldn't be too hard to meet in the FreeBSD MBone Lounge channel. > > Yes, it is useful if the pertinent parties are in the Lounge. > > > > It is sort of like meeting face to face and the exchange rate > > is very good. > > Now I have a link worth something, I have to ask if there's a good pointer > to getting connected to the Mbone in the first place? > > -- > ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ > ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ > ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ > ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ > ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 3 22:21:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA28050 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:21:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28045 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:20:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA21262; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:20:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:20:27 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Julian Elischer cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FUN/WORK] BSD Networking virtual meeting. In-Reply-To: <331B9A36.41C67EA6@whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Julian Elischer wrote: > I'd like to set up a 'virtual meeting' with the intent of > 1/ trying to see if we can make something useful out of the > Mbone. I think the IETF people would differ :) > 2/ Try get a good forum together to discuss some problems that > I'm seeing, and changes that people are contemplating with > the networking code. This would be FreeBSD development like no one has ever seen, and I guess I mean 'seen' literally. :) > It'd be nice to see if we can figure out to get > a meeting together to discuss these things > and help us all co-ordinate this, > as well as trying to see if we can get as many people > involved as a learning experience as possible. The hardest part is timing. FreeBSD is such a worldwide endeavor, it's hard to pick a time when everyone is awake. :) For you and I and several others it's not so bad since we're on the US west coast, but for Amancio it's a completely different time. > I'd like ot have an mbone section with a 'chat room' > along side so that people with no access to > mbone can also learn something.. > is there anyone else who'd be intersted? > I'm not only looking for people to watch but I'd like to have > maybe Bill Fenner and Garret on hand too to discuss > the pro's and cons of some of the things that I think > might come up. It might even be possible to get some of the > EX CSRG folks in if it sounds like it might be useful. That would be neat. Assuming it's some date & time I'll be here or have access to a mbone-capable workstation, I'd like to join in and offer whatever (limited) expertise I can. This is sticky since for the majority of mbone activites, I'm usually in class. I should borrow my associate's P133 X-ified laptop and bend the mbone utilities to my will. Compile in the qcam driver and the audio, if the SB-compatible card in it won't blow up trying to fake full duplex, and that should get me up and running. (UO Housing is a Mac camp and the PC on the desk is a purely Windoze box. Argh.) > Certainly if we can once work out the technology for this we should > be able to use it to great effect! And a free(BSD) plug -- yes, you can pay thousands of dollars to do realtime conferencing, but we chose not to and did it anyway. :) Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 3 22:31:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA28692 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:31:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28676 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA21450; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:29:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <331BC0AB.1CFBAE39@whistle.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 22:26:51 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug White CC: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FUN/WORK] BSD Networking virtual meeting. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Doug White wrote: > > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > > The hardest part is timing. FreeBSD is such a worldwide endeavor, it's > hard to pick a time when everyone is awake. :) For you and I and several > others it's not so bad since we're on the US west coast, but for Amancio > it's a completely different time. hmm last I looked I drove past his house onn the way to work.. :) however certainly for Ache, the Japanese crew or Mike in Melbourne that is true.. From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 3 23:11:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA01775 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01770 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01681; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:10:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703040710.XAA01681@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Julian Elischer cc: Doug White , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FUN/WORK] BSD Networking virtual meeting. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Mar 1997 22:26:51 PST." <331BC0AB.1CFBAE39@whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 23:10:44 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, Doug is right I am usually not on the Mbone during your typical day hours. Variety of reasons, I am working, my client may not have an mbone connection, lack of hardware at work, etc... However, activate participation in the FreeBSD Mbone channel for the purpose of technical discussions is useful. It is hard to describe unless you try it out and I must say that your traditional process becomes quaint 8) Regards, Amancio >From The Desk Of Julian Elischer : > Doug White wrote: > > > > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > > > > > > The hardest part is timing. FreeBSD is such a worldwide endeavor, it's > > hard to pick a time when everyone is awake. :) For you and I and several > > others it's not so bad since we're on the US west coast, but for Amancio > > it's a completely different time. > > > hmm last I looked I drove past his house onn the way to work.. > :) > > however certainly for Ache, the Japanese crew > or Mike in Melbourne that is true.. From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 3 23:15:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA01963 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01958 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:15:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01749; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:15:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703040715.XAA01749@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Julian Elischer cc: Doug White , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FUN/WORK] BSD Networking virtual meeting. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Mar 1997 22:26:51 PST." <331BC0AB.1CFBAE39@whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 23:15:16 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Probably 4 to 6 pm PST is the best time to hold a global audio/video conference. Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of Julian Elischer : > Doug White wrote: > > > > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > > > > > > The hardest part is timing. FreeBSD is such a worldwide endeavor, it's > > hard to pick a time when everyone is awake. :) For you and I and several > > others it's not so bad since we're on the US west coast, but for Amancio > > it's a completely different time. > > > hmm last I looked I drove past his house onn the way to work.. > :) > > however certainly for Ache, the Japanese crew > or Mike in Melbourne that is true.. From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 4 09:01:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00501 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from vinyl.quickweb.com (vinyl.quickweb.com [206.222.77.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00493; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:01:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mark@localhost) by vinyl.quickweb.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA14468; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:55:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:55:47 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Mayo To: Amancio Hasty cc: Michael Smith , julian@whistle.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org, multimedia@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [FUN/WORK] BSD Networking virtual meeting. In-Reply-To: <199703040542.VAA00905@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Just ask your ISP for mbone connectivity. If not just post back. Are there any good pointers out there on how mbone works? I'm going to ask "CCS - Computer & Communications Services" here on my campus for mbone connectivity, and I anticipate a big fat "Huh??" in response... So I'd like to get a little background information so I look like I know *something* before I go waiding into the university beurocacy to get mbone... TIA, -Mark > > Cheers, > Amancio > > >From The Desk Of Michael Smith : > > Amancio Hasty stands accused of saying: > > > It shouldn't be too hard to meet in the FreeBSD MBone Lounge channel. > > > Yes, it is useful if the pertinent parties are in the Lounge. > > > > > > It is sort of like meeting face to face and the exchange rate > > > is very good. > > > > Now I have a link worth something, I have to ask if there's a good pointer > > to getting connected to the Mbone in the first place? > > > > -- > > ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ > > ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ > > ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ > > ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ > > ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com RingZero Comp. http://vinyl.quickweb.com/mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nature shows that with the growth of intelligence comes increased capacity for pain, and it is only with the highest degree of intelligence that suffering reaches its supreme point. -- Arthur Schopenhauer From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 4 10:27:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06183 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:27:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06170; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04540; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:27:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703041827.KAA04540@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Mark Mayo cc: Michael Smith , julian@whistle.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org, multimedia@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [FUN/WORK] BSD Networking virtual meeting. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Mar 1997 11:55:47 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 10:27:39 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You can start by going to my web page: http://rah.star-gate.com Or you can do a netscape search for mbone. There is an mbone mailing list mbone@isi.edu where people can send their requests for an mbone tunnel;however, if your site has mbone connectivity they will politely point you to the machine which has the mbone tunnel. Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of Mark Mayo : > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > Just ask your ISP for mbone connectivity. If not just post back. > > Are there any good pointers out there on how mbone works? I'm going to ask > "CCS - Computer & Communications Services" here on my campus for mbone > connectivity, and I anticipate a big fat "Huh??" in response... So I'd > like to get a little background information so I look like I know > *something* before I go waiding into the university beurocacy to get > mbone... > > TIA, > -Mark > > > > > Cheers, > > Amancio > > > > >From The Desk Of Michael Smith : > > > Amancio Hasty stands accused of saying: > > > > It shouldn't be too hard to meet in the FreeBSD MBone Lounge channel. > > > > Yes, it is useful if the pertinent parties are in the Lounge. > > > > > > > > It is sort of like meeting face to face and the exchange rate > > > > is very good. > > > > > > Now I have a link worth something, I have to ask if there's a good pointe r > > > to getting connected to the Mbone in the first place? > > > > > > -- > > > ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [ [ > > > ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [ [ > > > ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [ [ > > > ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [ [ > > > ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [ [ > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com > RingZero Comp. http://vinyl.quickweb.com/mark > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nature shows that with the growth of intelligence comes increased capacity > for pain, and it is only with the highest degree of intelligence that > suffering reaches its supreme point. -- Arthur Schopenhauer > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 4 10:36:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06692 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:36:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.139.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06677; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from james@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18510; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 12:36:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 12:36:00 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199703041836.MAA18510@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, mark@quickweb.com Subject: Re: [FUN/WORK] BSD Networking virtual meeting. Cc: , Michael@quickweb.com, Smith@quickweb.com, hackers@freebsd.org, julian@whistle.com, multimedia@freebsd.org Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: Mark Mayo > Cc: Michael Smith , julian@whistle.com, > hackers@freebsd.org, multimedia@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: [FUN/WORK] BSD Networking virtual meeting. > > Are there any good pointers out there on how mbone works? I'm going to ask > "CCS - Computer & Communications Services" here on my campus for mbone > connectivity, and I anticipate a big fat "Huh??" in response... So I'd > like to get a little background information so I look like I know > *something* before I go waiding into the university beurocacy to get > mbone... > The Mbone (or multicast backbone) is tunnel'ed network (today) which rides on top of the unicast Internet. A map of the mbone is available from http://www.nlanr.net/Viz/Mbone/. The IETF MBONED group is working on deploying multicast technologies for the Internet at large (http://network-services.uoregon.edu/~meyer/MBONED/). A web site with genreal Mbone information is http://www.mbone.com. Hope this helps, -Jim From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 4 11:19:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA08812 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08797 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:19:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA22034; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:18:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:18:01 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Amancio Hasty cc: Julian Elischer , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FUN/WORK] BSD Networking virtual meeting. In-Reply-To: <199703040715.XAA01749@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Probably 4 to 6 pm PST is the best time to hold a global > audio/video conference. I will vouch for that ;) > > hmm last I looked I drove past his house onn the way to work.. > > :) [Sorry Amancio, I though you were off somewhere else...I should have looked up star-gate while I was looking up whistle...] Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 4 11:22:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09135 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:22:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from eve.speakeasy.org (junkins@eve.speakeasy.org [199.238.226.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09129; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:22:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (junkins@localhost) by eve.speakeasy.org (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA26355 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:20:50 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Junkins To: Mark Mayo cc: hackers@freebsd.org, multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FUN/WORK] BSD Networking virtual meeting. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk See http://www.mbone.com/ for a good starting point. The also have a list of the regional MBONE maillists (i.e. mbone-na) which are good places to find a tunnel provider if your ISP doesn't provide them. - Doug +--------------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Douglas A. Junkins | Mail: junkins@speakeasy.org | | Seattle, Washington, USA | Web: http://www.speakeasy.org/~junkins/ | +--------------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Finger "junkins@speakeasy.org" for my PGP Public Key | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Mark Mayo wrote: > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > Just ask your ISP for mbone connectivity. If not just post back. > > Are there any good pointers out there on how mbone works? I'm going to ask > "CCS - Computer & Communications Services" here on my campus for mbone > connectivity, and I anticipate a big fat "Huh??" in response... So I'd > like to get a little background information so I look like I know > *something* before I go waiding into the university beurocacy to get > mbone... > > TIA, > -Mark > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 4 16:38:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA28046 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:38:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA28041 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <17977(2)>; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:36:29 PST Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177476>; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:33:59 -0800 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Doug White cc: Julian Elischer , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FUN/WORK] BSD Networking virtual meeting. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Mar 1997 22:20:27 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:33:53 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <97Mar4.163359pst.177476@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Doug White wrote: >(UO Housing is a Mac camp and the PC on the desk is a purely Windoze >box. Argh.) Have you tried QuickTime Conferencing? It is supposedly MBone capable (of course that doesn't help if you don't have multicast on that subnet, but I thought UO had multicast everywhere...) Bill From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 4 16:52:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA29334 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:52:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29326 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08092 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:52:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703050052.QAA08092@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Timed TV exposure? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 16:52:35 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just occur to me , that it may be a cool idea to add a timer with a progressive beep for tv. Kind of like a camera . What do you folks think? Any volunteers? Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 4 17:29:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04304 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:29:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04272 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:29:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA22501; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:28:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:28:16 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Bill Fenner cc: Julian Elischer , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FUN/WORK] BSD Networking virtual meeting. In-Reply-To: <97Mar4.163359pst.177476@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Bill Fenner wrote: > Doug White wrote: > >(UO Housing is a Mac camp and the PC on the desk is a purely Windoze > >box. Argh.) > > Have you tried QuickTime Conferencing? It is supposedly MBone capable (of > course that doesn't help if you don't have multicast on that subnet, but I > thought UO had multicast everywhere...) QTConferencing is ancient. One of our RNAs has it installed and it is a total kludge. It works...partially. I've gotten permission to blast away on the laptop, I think I'll try that, even if it is receive-only. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 4 18:52:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14339 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14329 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:51:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA22690; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:51:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:51:19 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Amancio Hasty cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199703040140.RAA10294@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > The latest Bt848 device driver supports the following cards: > > o WinCast/TV > o STB PC TV > o Intel Smart Video Recorder III > > A module is included to support vic. YES!!! Sold! Know any good places to get a WinCast/TV? And any clue if a Mach64 has a linear frame buffer? (Hm, I may have to petition my parents if I can swap them my Mach for their S3 968 :) I need a replacement for my QuickCam, the driver blows up on my Asus board. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 4 19:57:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA20499 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:57:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.mrtc.org [199.4.33.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20489 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:57:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) id SAA16536; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:01:10 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199703050401.SAA16536@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: from Doug White at "Mar 4, 97 06:51:19 pm" To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:01:10 -1000 (HST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, multimedia@freebsd.org From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Doug White >On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > >> >> The latest Bt848 device driver supports the following cards: >> >> o WinCast/TV >> o STB PC TV >> o Intel Smart Video Recorder III Would anyone mind doing a review of these cards versus eachother? So this makes the current (on market) FreeBSD capture cards up to five???? (Matrox Meteor and Onmimedia) Still need to figure out if my Matrox will work with this setup. Has anyone figure out if the new ATI super-jesus 3D card will be supported by any of the X's? Most cool... -David Langford langfod@dihelix.com From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 4 20:01:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA20699 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:01:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from fyeung5.netific.com (netific.vip.best.com [205.149.182.145]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA20693 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:01:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from fyeung8.netific.com (fyeung8.netific.com [204.238.125.8]) by fyeung5.netific.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA00940 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:02:40 -0800 Received: by fyeung8.netific.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19477; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:08:23 -0800 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:08:23 -0800 From: fyeung@fyeung8.netific.com (Francis Yeung) Message-Id: <9703050408.AA19477@fyeung8.netific.com> To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings, > > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > The latest Bt848 device driver supports the following cards: > > > > o WinCast/TV > > o STB PC TV > > o Intel Smart Video Recorder III > > > > A module is included to support vic. > > YES!!! Sold! > > Know any good places to get a WinCast/TV? And any clue if a Mach64 has a > linear frame buffer? (Hm, I may have to petition my parents if I can swap > them my Mach for their S3 968 :) > > I need a replacement for my QuickCam, the driver blows up on my Asus > board. Does WinCast/TV has a built-in SVGA interface so that I don't need a SVGA card anymore ? Thanks. Francis > > Doug White | University of Oregon > Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant > http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major > > > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 4 20:27:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21766 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:27:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21748 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:27:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01285; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:27:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703050427.UAA01285@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: "David Langford" cc: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Mar 1997 18:01:10 -1000." <199703050401.SAA16536@caliban.dihelix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 20:27:04 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk first off they all are good cards. Some prefer the WinCast/TV because it has better drivers under Win95 than STB PC TV. The Intel Smart Video Recorder has got to win the award for the most minimal driver support -- no "pci to pci transfer" no yuv12, no rgb15 , no rgb16, etc... Sometimes I ask myself how Intel managed to write a functionable driver well I sort of know the origin politics 8) The Intel Smart Video Recorder III has a minimal hardware implementation it just has a single Bt848 chipset. WinCastTV and STB PC TV both incorporate tv tunner circuitry and cost less than the Intel Smart Video Recorder III. Steve Passe I believe has a head start in terms of providing tuner support for his STB PC TV --- see http://freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/Bt848.html We should probably use his web page for on-going experimental work coordination for the Bt848 driver and related efforts.You see I am a consultant and I don't have a lot of time to devote to coordination efforts for instance my current contract is in San Diego and I live in San Francisco. And is starting to look like pretty soon I better check-in the driver so you guys can go nuts with it 8) Here is a listing of street prices: Intel Smart Video Recoder III around $179 WinCastTV around $149 STB PC TV around $149 I wish I had a WinCast/TV however I must confess that to start writing a Bt848 driver from scratch the Intel card was not a bad deal since the card all it has is a Bt848. Hope this helps, Amancio >From The Desk Of "David Langford" : > Doug White > >On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > >> > >> The latest Bt848 device driver supports the following cards: > >> > >> o WinCast/TV > >> o STB PC TV > >> o Intel Smart Video Recorder III > > Would anyone mind doing a review of these cards versus eachother? > > So this makes the current (on market) FreeBSD capture cards up to > five???? (Matrox Meteor and Onmimedia) > > Still need to figure out if my Matrox will work with this setup. > Has anyone figure out if the new ATI super-jesus 3D card will > be supported by any of the X's? > > > Most cool... > > -David Langford > langfod@dihelix.com > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 4 20:35:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA22070 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:35:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22064 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:35:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01342; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:35:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703050435.UAA01342@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: fyeung@fyeung8.netific.com (Francis Yeung) cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Mar 1997 20:08:23 PST." <9703050408.AA19477@fyeung8.netific.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 20:35:09 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk No, it does PCI to PCI transfer. Amancio >From The Desk Of Francis Yeung : > > > Greetings, > > > > > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > > > > The latest Bt848 device driver supports the following cards: > > > > > > o WinCast/TV > > > o STB PC TV > > > o Intel Smart Video Recorder III > > > > > > A module is included to support vic. > > > > YES!!! Sold! > > > > Know any good places to get a WinCast/TV? And any clue if a Mach64 has a > > linear frame buffer? (Hm, I may have to petition my parents if I can swap > > them my Mach for their S3 968 :) > > > > I need a replacement for my QuickCam, the driver blows up on my Asus > > board. > > Does WinCast/TV has a built-in SVGA interface so that I don't need > a SVGA card anymore ? > > Thanks. > > Francis > > > > Doug White | University of Oregon > > Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant > > http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 4 20:37:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA22198 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:37:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from silver.sms.fi (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22162; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:37:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pete@localhost) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.5/8.7.3) id GAA23994; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 06:37:21 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 06:37:21 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199703050437.GAA23994@silver.sms.fi> From: Petri Helenius To: Jim Lowe Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, mark@quickweb.com, , Michael@quickweb.com, Smith@quickweb.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, julian@whistle.com, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [FUN/WORK] BSD Networking virtual meeting. In-Reply-To: <199703041836.MAA18510@miller.cs.uwm.edu> References: <199703041836.MAA18510@miller.cs.uwm.edu> Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jim Lowe writes: > > The Mbone (or multicast backbone) is tunnel'ed network (today) which > rides on top of the unicast Internet. A map of the mbone is available > from http://www.nlanr.net/Viz/Mbone/. The IETF MBONED group is > working on deploying multicast technologies for the Internet at large > (http://network-services.uoregon.edu/~meyer/MBONED/). A web > site with genreal Mbone information is http://www.mbone.com. > I would say that the MBone is 'partially tunneled' today. There are regions of dozens of routers in the MBone that run multicast native. (and those regions are growing bigger) Pete From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 4 20:56:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA22921 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:56:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22913 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:56:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01541; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:56:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703050456.UAA01541@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: "David Langford" cc: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Mar 1997 18:01:10 -1000." <199703050401.SAA16536@caliban.dihelix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 20:56:27 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of "David Langford" : > Still need to figure out if my Matrox will work with this setup. Well, if you have Xinside's Xserver just bug them to provide an appropriate interface for PCI to PCI transfer . If not you can still use "tv" and vic with your matrox. Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 5 01:34:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA05094 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 01:34:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA05084 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 01:34:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from dolphin.inna.net (jamie@dolphin.inna.net [206.151.66.2]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA11611; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 04:37:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 04:33:21 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Amancio Hasty cc: David Langford , dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199703050427.UAA01285@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The STB PC TV will work fine in Win95 if you uprade your video drivers. We have found that the STB card relies heavily on DirectX in Win95, and older drivers that aren't DirectX 3.0 ready have trouble. Upgrade to the latest and greatest from the chip maker, and it works fine. On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > first off they all are good cards. > > Some prefer the WinCast/TV because it has better drivers under Win95 than > STB PC TV. The Intel Smart Video Recorder has got to win the award > for the most minimal driver support -- no "pci to pci transfer" no > yuv12, no rgb15 , no rgb16, etc... Sometimes I ask myself how Intel > managed to write a functionable driver well I sort of know the origin > politics 8) > > The Intel Smart Video Recorder III has a minimal hardware > implementation it just has a single Bt848 chipset. > > WinCastTV and STB PC TV both incorporate tv tunner circuitry and cost > less than the Intel Smart Video Recorder III. > > Steve Passe I believe has a head start in terms of providing tuner > support for his STB PC TV --- see http://freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/Bt848.html > > We should probably use his web page for on-going experimental work coordination > for the Bt848 driver and related efforts.You see I am a consultant and I > don't have a lot of time to devote to coordination efforts for instance > my current contract is in San Diego and I live in San Francisco. And is > starting to look like pretty soon I better check-in the driver so you guys > can go nuts with it 8) > > Here is a listing of street prices: > > Intel Smart Video Recoder III around $179 > WinCastTV around $149 > STB PC TV around $149 > > > I wish I had a WinCast/TV however I must confess that to start writing > a Bt848 driver from scratch the Intel card was not a bad deal since > the card all it has is a Bt848. > > Hope this helps, > Amancio > > >From The Desk Of "David Langford" : > > Doug White > > >On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> The latest Bt848 device driver supports the following cards: > > >> > > >> o WinCast/TV > > >> o STB PC TV > > >> o Intel Smart Video Recorder III > > > > Would anyone mind doing a review of these cards versus eachother? > > > > So this makes the current (on market) FreeBSD capture cards up to > > five???? (Matrox Meteor and Onmimedia) > > > > Still need to figure out if my Matrox will work with this setup. > > Has anyone figure out if the new ATI super-jesus 3D card will > > be supported by any of the X's? > > > > > > Most cool... > > > > -David Langford > > langfod@dihelix.com > > > > > Jamie Bowden Network Administrator, TBI Ltd. From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 5 01:59:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA06761 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 01:59:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA06756 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 01:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA00436 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 01:59:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703050959.BAA00436@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: MiroMedia PCTV Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 01:59:23 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just found out that the above card uses the Bt848 . Does anyone have that card and willing to try out the Bt848 driver ? This card comes with an optional remote control for the ultimate FreeBSD couch potatoe 8) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 5 04:40:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA14587 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 04:40:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from teligent.se (iservern.teligent.se [194.17.198.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA14573 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 04:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from datorn.teligent.se (datorn.teligent.se [192.168.2.31]) by teligent.se (8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA22199 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:39:56 +0100 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:41:05 +0100 (MET) From: Jakob Alvermark To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Sound probs... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all! I recently downloaded 3.0-CURRENT (3.0-970209-SNAP) and installed it. It works almost fine.. I added the required lines in the kernel config file to get the soundcard working. In my machine there's a GUS MAX. I also made the devices with "sh MAKEDEV" in the /etc directory. The kernel loads, probes for the GUS, finds it, all looks fine. When i run some programs for sound, it works, but som programs don't. "Couldn't open /dev/dsp" or "Couldn't open /dev/audio". I tried "cat /dev/dsp", it says "Device not configured". So, I'm wondering if any of you have a clue what could cause the problem, or if any of you have a solution for this. I'm confused that some programs works, and some doesn't. I.e. I tried "wavplay" (I belive it's compiled for linux), it works, but the console is overfilled with an error message saying "isa_dmastart: Channel 1 busy". Thank in advance, /Jakob ------------------------------------------------------- Teligent AB, P.O. Box 213, S-149 23 Nyn.shamn, Sweden Telephone +46-(0)8 520 660 00 * Fax +46-(0)8 520 193 36 Direct +46-(0)8 520 660 32 * GSM +46-(0)70 792 16 57 From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 5 04:51:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA15489 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 04:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from silver.sms.fi (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA15484 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 04:51:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pete@localhost) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA25131; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:50:58 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:50:58 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199703051250.OAA25131@silver.sms.fi> From: Petri Helenius To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: miroMEDIA PCTV Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk One local PC store carries these for a reasonable price (less than the three other boards mentioned here). The board has BT848 as it's controller chip and Philips FI12xx or TEMIC as the tuner chip. More info at http://www.miro.com/e/e2-products/products.html Is this something that should work with the current driver? Pete From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 5 07:18:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA22173 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 07:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA22168 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 07:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from dolphin.inna.net (jamie@dolphin.inna.net [206.151.66.2]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17404; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:22:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:17:59 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Petri Helenius cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: miroMEDIA PCTV In-Reply-To: <199703051250.OAA25131@silver.sms.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk That configuration is the same as the STB, tuner and all. On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Petri Helenius wrote: > > One local PC store carries these for a reasonable price (less than > the three other boards mentioned here). > > The board has BT848 as it's controller chip and Philips FI12xx or > TEMIC as the tuner chip. > > More info at > http://www.miro.com/e/e2-products/products.html > > Is this something that should work with the current driver? > > Pete > Jamie Bowden Network Administrator, TBI Ltd. From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 5 09:27:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28377 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA28361 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:27:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA05139; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:24:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199703051724.KAA05139@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: Jamie Bowden cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Mar 1997 04:33:21 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 10:24:57 -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > >The STB PC TV will work fine in Win95 if you uprade your video drivers. >We have found that the STB card relies heavily on DirectX in Win95, and >older drivers that aren't DirectX 3.0 ready have trouble. Upgrade to the >latest and greatest from the chip maker, and it works fine. I grabbed the latest directX driver but it dies immediately when I try to install it with something like "error -8". Never could get STB to work with the STB version of directx... -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 5 13:11:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12353 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:11:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12348 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:11:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07340 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:13:20 GMT Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:13:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Roome To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: trying to get snd01041996-2.2-current.tgz into 3.0-970209-SNAP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm just trying to get a newer sound driver working in my 3.0-970209-SNAP system I have here. I downloaded snd010411996-2.2-current.tgz (probably from ftp://star-gate.com/pub/) and I've followed the instructions to the best of my ability... However, not understanding much about the kernel, whenever I try to do a make depend (in /sys/compile/DYLAN) I get a lot of junk as follows : In file included from ../../i386/isa/sound/adlib_card.c:30: sound_config.h:34: local.h: No such file or directory sound_config.h:40: os.h: No such file or directory sound_config.h:41: soundvers.h: No such file or directory sound_config.h:186: sound_calls.h: No such file or directory sound_config.h:187: dev_table.h: No such file or directory I've put the changes in files.i386 however I'm mildy confused as to the other files in i386/isa/sound/freebsd/ conf.c.add and conf.c.add2, and I just can't find what I'm supposed to do with them. I'm not sure if this is some stupid mistake I have made or if this driver just doesn't want to fit into this snapshot just yet. So, do I really need to do the make depend (yes I expect so) ? and if so can someone explain what mkdep needs to know to find these files properly ? Thanks, Steve Roome From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 5 14:03:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14667 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:03:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA14660 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:03:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02201; Wed, 5 Mar 97 17:02:49 EST Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA06229; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:00:21 -0500 Message-Id: <19970305170021.08896@ct.picker.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:00:21 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: multimedia@Freebsd.org Cc: David Langford Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD References: <199703050401.SAA16536@caliban.dihelix.com> <199703050427.UAA01285@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.64 In-Reply-To: <199703050427.UAA01285@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Tue, Mar 04, 1997 at 08:27:04PM -0800 Sender: owner-multimedia@Freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty: |Here is a listing of street prices: | |Intel Smart Video Recoder III around $179 |WinCastTV around $149 |STB PC TV around $149 | |I wish I had a WinCast/TV however I must confess that to start writing |a Bt848 driver from scratch the Intel card was not a bad deal since |the card all it has is a Bt848. BTW, there are actually 3 WinCast TV cards: WinCast TV around $99 WinCast TV/dbx around $149 (TV + stereo/dolby decoder) WinCast TV/fm ? (TV/dbx + FM radio tuner) These are CompUSA/Microcenter prices, so you can probably get them even cheaper mail order. All use the Bt848 AFAIK (dbx does for sure). David, in terms of a review, I don't know much about the Intel & STB cards, but as for the WinCast, here's a short feature list I pulled together before I put down the green for my TV/dbx. Besides what's listed Hauppauge has recently added 16 channel preview to their MSW95 S/W. Though I'm never in Windoze to use these features, I guess they're important to some. Randall _____________________________________________________________________________ Hauppauge WinCast/TVdbx _____________________________________________________________________________ URL: http://206.149.250.27/index.htm http://www.hauppauge.com/hcw/index.htm Models: WinCast/TV (Model 400) .. ~$149 ($99 at local CompUSA) WinCast/TVdbx (Model 401) .. ~$199 ($149 at local COmpUSA) WinCast/TVfm - has FM radio & dbx-TV Card : single, short PCI, bus-master (DMA), plug-and-play Chipset : Bt848 (?) Tuner : 125 channel cable ready Digitizer : 4:2:2 (from Tuner or Ext Video) Sound : dbx & SAP (dbx vers) Jacks : Audio-out jack (to sound card line in) Audio/Video in jack(s) (from VCR, etc.) RF in jack VGA Reqs : NO connect. req'd (e.g. VGA feature conn); just PCI Bus 640x480-1280x1024 res support S-video : NO BusTransf : moves uncompressed YUV over bus to disk; YUV or RGB to vid Capture : Img: 640x480 max NTSC AVI: 320x240 max, 30fps Window : Resizable '95 Reqs : Direct Draw PCI push support req'd of video card Features : Intercast support/decoder S/W; close caption support Freeze frame Image save VfW drivers for video movies Hardware vert interp (use one frame; reduc motion artif) OVERLAY MODE: Cards supported for "zoom" to full screen: - S3 Trio64V+ and S3 ViRGE 3D - Cirrus Logic 5446 - ATI VT and GT series of graphics display adapters, Video card does the rescaling YUV pushed straight to video card (PCI-to-PCI) Requires 0.5Meg VGA mem for 4:2:2 VGA image. Requires video port on video card PRIMARY SURFACE MODE: Cards supported: - S3 Trio32/64 PCI, S3 Vision968, S3 Vision 868 - Matrox Millenium and Mystique - ATI Mach64 - Hercules Dynamite 128 and other ET6000 based VGA cards - (And my Hercules Stingray 64/Video works fine too --RHH) Wincast board does the rescaling RGB pushed to straight video card (PCI-to-PCI) Fall-back if OVERLAY MODE not supported >= 16bpp mode No Close Caption TV size limited to 640x480 From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 5 17:52:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA00897 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:52:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00889 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:52:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA27100; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:52:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:52:06 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Jakob Alvermark cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sound probs... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Jakob Alvermark wrote: > I recently downloaded 3.0-CURRENT (3.0-970209-SNAP) and installed it. It > works almost fine.. > I added the required lines in the kernel config file to get the soundcard > working. In my machine there's a GUS MAX. I also made the devices with > "sh MAKEDEV" in the /etc directory. The kernel loads, probes for the GUS, > finds it, all looks fine. > > When i run some programs for sound, it works, but som programs don't. > "Couldn't open /dev/dsp" or "Couldn't open /dev/audio". I tried "cat > /dev/dsp", it says "Device not configured". Amancio will have to comment on the legacy code, but I have a GUS PnP using the guspnp6 patchset for 2.2 and it works fine. You might try running /dev/MAKEDEV snd0 first, but you could try installing this. It's at ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/guspnp6.tar.gz. Just extract from /, add the lines in /sys/i386/isa/sound/README.GUSPNP, and off you go. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 5 18:26:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03844 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03822 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:25:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA04933; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:29:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:24:31 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold To: Steve Passe cc: Jamie Bowden , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199703051724.KAA05139@clem.systemsix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Steve Passe wrote: > I grabbed the latest directX driver but it dies immediately when I try to > install it with something like "error -8". Never could get STB to work with > the STB version of directx... The problems we were having were stupid stuff. The card always 'tried' to work but the older the Video Card drivers the worse the problem. If you moved the window it left mousedroppings all over the place. You could trash your screen to the point of illegability. -BUT- when you killed WinTV, the screen cleared up and it worked fine. Trident-9680 DirectDraw drivers dont work. The latest Trio64V+ drivers are fine. Kinda a moot point for us. The WinTV card is in a 486 BSD Box and will eventually be used to capture stupid pictures. I am having a neato problem, but until I understand what it -is- I'm not gonna bring it up. ( takes 20 seconds for rgb16 to capture a picture ). +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 5 20:04:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA08788 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 20:04:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA08775 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 20:04:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00323; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 20:04:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703060404.UAA00323@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Thomas Arnold cc: Steve Passe , Jamie Bowden , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Mar 1997 21:24:31 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 20:04:00 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Thomas Arnold : > I am having a neato problem, but until I understand what it -is- I'm not > gonna bring it up. ( takes 20 seconds for rgb16 to capture a picture ). recompile rgb16 with debug option: cc -g -o rgb16 rgb16.c Now, step thru it, gdb ./rgb16 break main run next next next Until you find the system call which is giving you the headache Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 5 21:51:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA14744 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:51:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA14739 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA29151; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 00:54:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 00:49:34 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold To: Amancio Hasty cc: Steve Passe , Jamie Bowden , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199703060404.UAA00323@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > recompile rgb16 with debug option: > > cc -g -o rgb16 rgb16.c > > Now, step thru it, > > Until you find the system call which is giving you the headache Welp. Its not one call. Its : for (c = 0 ; c < ROWS*COLS; c++) { b[0]= ((*rgb16 >> 7) & 0xf8); /* r */ b[1]= ((*rgb16 >> 2) & 0xf8); /* g */ b[2]= ((*rgb16++ << 3) & 0xf8); /* b */ write(o, &b[0], 3); That routine is slower then dirt! California moves faster then it does on this box. :-) Last time ./rgb16 I ran was 18.5 seconds and the machine was -pasted-. It may be I just cant use it on this box, but I can't beleive it is -SOOO- much slower then a Pentium box... The Machine is an X5-133 ( 486 class ) UMC Chipset motherboard. Any ideas or should I just upgrade the Motherboard too? This machine is just our little-used Shell box and User-Page Webserver. I wanted to give it a little something else to do once a minute. :-) +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 5 22:19:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA19265 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA19256 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:19:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00815; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:18:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703060618.WAA00815@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Thomas Arnold cc: Steve Passe , Jamie Bowden , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Mar 1997 00:49:34 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 22:18:56 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Try compiling rgb16 as: cc -o rgb16 -m486 -O2 rgb.c Good luck, Amancio >From The Desk Of Thomas Arnold : > On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > recompile rgb16 with debug option: > > > > cc -g -o rgb16 rgb16.c > > > > Now, step thru it, > > > > Until you find the system call which is giving you the headache > > Welp. Its not one call. Its : > > for (c = 0 ; c < ROWS*COLS; c++) { > b[0]= ((*rgb16 >> 7) & 0xf8); /* r */ > b[1]= ((*rgb16 >> 2) & 0xf8); /* g */ > b[2]= ((*rgb16++ << 3) & 0xf8); /* b */ > write(o, &b[0], 3); > > That routine is slower then dirt! California moves faster then it does on > this box. :-) Last time ./rgb16 I ran was 18.5 seconds and the machine > was -pasted-. It may be I just cant use it on this box, but I can't > beleive it is -SOOO- much slower then a Pentium box... > > The Machine is an X5-133 ( 486 class ) UMC Chipset motherboard. > > Any ideas or should I just upgrade the Motherboard too? This machine is > just our little-used Shell box and User-Page Webserver. I wanted to give > it a little something else to do once a minute. :-) > > +-----------------------------------------------+ > : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : > : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : > : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : > +-----------------------------------------------+ > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 5 22:50:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA26507 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:50:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA26502 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id HAA15873; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:05:49 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199703060605.HAA15873@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:05:48 +0100 (MET) Cc: tom@inna.net, smp@csn.net, jamie@inna.net, multimedia@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703060618.WAA00815@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Mar 5, 97 10:18:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Try compiling rgb16 as: > > cc -o rgb16 -m486 -O2 rgb.c nope, the trick is buffering data before writing: > > for (c = 0 ; c < ROWS*COLS; c++) { > > b[0]= ((*rgb16 >> 7) & 0xf8); /* r */ > > b[1]= ((*rgb16 >> 2) & 0xf8); /* g */ > > b[2]= ((*rgb16++ << 3) & 0xf8); /* b */ > > write(o, &b[0], 3); this one issues a system call for each pixel (3 bytes of output!). Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 5 23:02:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA27325 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:02:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA27320 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:02:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01157; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:02:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703060702.XAA01157@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: tom@inna.net, smp@csn.net, jamie@inna.net, multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Mar 1997 07:05:48 +0100." <199703060605.HAA15873@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 23:02:25 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hmmm... I wonder if the the filesystem which he is writing to is nfs mounted? Amancio >From The Desk Of Luigi Rizzo : > > Try compiling rgb16 as: > > > > cc -o rgb16 -m486 -O2 rgb.c > > nope, the trick is buffering data before writing: > > > > for (c = 0 ; c < ROWS*COLS; c++) { > > > b[0]= ((*rgb16 >> 7) & 0xf8); /* r */ > > > b[1]= ((*rgb16 >> 2) & 0xf8); /* g */ > > > b[2]= ((*rgb16++ << 3) & 0xf8); /* b */ > > > write(o, &b[0], 3); > > this one issues a system call for each pixel (3 bytes of output!). > > Luigi > -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- > Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione > email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa > tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) > fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ > _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 5 23:07:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA27720 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:07:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA27639 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:06:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA07468; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 02:10:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 02:05:22 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold To: Amancio Hasty cc: Luigi Rizzo , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199703060702.XAA01157@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Hmmm... > > I wonder if the the filesystem which he is writing to is nfs mounted? Nope. :-) I'm trying to reteach myself C right now. I'm going to throw all the data into a REAL large array and throw that to disk all at once. I'm getting real good at producing segmentation faults. Gimme time, I'll core dump this box before the night is through... +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 5 23:37:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA29700 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:37:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com ([199.4.33.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29409 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:36:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) id VAA21881 for multimedia@freebsd.org; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:35:11 -1000 (HST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:35:11 -1000 (HST) From: David Langford Message-Id: <199703060735.VAA21881@caliban.dihelix.com> To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Anyone know this "ultimate" video card? Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk saw this and its "looks" cool. Any one have more info? As seen at: http://www.onsale.com/category/inv/00049474.htm Specs: NEW ALL-IN-ONE 4MB 64 Bit Accelerated SVGA + 181 Channel TV Tuner + 30 fps MPEG + VIDEO Capture + Stereo Sound PCI VIDEO Card * Enjoy Watching TV on your Computer Monitor! * Indulge yourself to full Motion MPEG Movies at Full Screen size and Full Real Speed * Run your Windows 95 or NT 4.0 or other Software at upto a Full 1600 x 1200 and upto 16.7 Million Colors at upto 90 Hz refresh rates with Full 4MB 64 bit Accelerated SVGA PCI * Display and Accelerate all your popular Games with this 4MB accelerated SVGA card * Hook up your VCR, CAMERA or Camcorder and "Monitor" other events while doing your Windows program or watching TV all on your Computer Monitor. All-in-one, Latest model, No compromise. Unlike other models, This unit has the 4MB SVGA power and Hardware MPEG and TV TUNER and VIDEO capture and Stereo SOUND all in one PCI card Features & Hardware Specifications: * Captures frames from TV or Video action and places images on your drawing and documents * Supports Microsoft Direct 3D. * Color Scanner Capability * 64 Bit accelerated SVGA PCI with full 4MB of installed VIDEO (EDO) memory * Cirrus Logic 64 bit CL-GD5446 Graphics Processor * GUI Acceleration, Bit BLT Engine for SVGA & GAMES * Supports 1600 x 1200, 1280 x 1024, 1152 x 882, 1024 x 768, * 800 x 600, 640 x 480 plus VGA, EGA, CGA, games etc. * Supports True Color (16.7 million colors) and High Color (65,000 Colors) modes [4, 8, 15, 16 and 24 bit Color Modes] * Loaded with latest drivers Such as Windows 95, Windows 3.1, Windows 3.11 FWG, AutoCAD display List driver, DOS, OS/2, Windows NT 4.0 ...etc. Display centering utilities & Screen Saver * Free Access to BBS and web for downloading Latest drivers * Supports Green PC, Energy Star, Power saving * Continues resizable Live Video from Icon to Full Screen size * Supports A/V or S video Input for VCR, LD Camcorder, TV GAME unit or Camera * Supports Turning PC into a "Stereo Television" * Supports frame capture Saved as BMP, PCX, TFT, TIF, TGA formats * Both Hardware MPEG play back or VIDEO capture supported with H/W Accelerated up to 30 FPS at FULL size (1024 x 768) * Supports Software MPEG decompression * Supports 181 channels Cable ready * TV Antenna or Cable Input Connector * Supports sound card connection with 4 PIN internal connector * Supports Direct external Speakers with Stereo output Connector jack * Provides ONE VIDEO-IN Connector jack for Monitoring external events * Provides ONE Audio-IN (Stereo Cable) Connector jack * Provides ONE VGA 15 PIN connector for output to a Monitor * ON SCREEN TV Remote Control (Volume, Channel Selection, Color Video Capturing, Save, Print ...etc.) * Software Selectable Viewing of RF or baseband video * Closed Caption display and Capture to file Support * Continuous hardware Accelerated X, Y interpolated ZOOM * ON-The-Fly Color Space Conversion YUV-RGB * Enhanced VIDEO Quality * Multi format Frame Buffer & VIDEO data encoding / decoding * VIDEO overlay and user definable zoom Area * Channel picture preview * Freeze frame support * Timer and Sleep Functions * Automatic Channel Frequency Scan and detect * Channel "Blocks", "Presets" and "Favorite" Controls * Video Sharpness Control * Multiple TV Window styles * Software relocatable System resources * Full NTSC Digitize support * Software Control of VIDEO contrast, brightness, tint and color * VIDEO scaling support * Supports "TV-IN-A WINDOW" Television in a smaller window Next to windows, with Scaling and overlay Functions * Flexible TV window size * Packaged Complete with 4MB PCI card, Drivers ,Manual ,all necessary cables . Easy installation, just PLUG & PLAY From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 5 23:38:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA29755 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:38:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29694 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:37:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA10517; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 02:39:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 02:34:43 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold Reply-To: Thomas Arnold To: Amancio Hasty cc: multimedia@freebsd.org, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199703060618.WAA00815@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks! It looks ugly but I defined : char bigbuff[921600] then changed the writing routine to look like : for (c = 0 ; c < ROWS*COLS*3; c++) { bigbuff[c]= ((*rgb16 >> 7) & 0xf8); /* r */ c++; bigbuff[c]= ((*rgb16 >> 2) & 0xf8); /* g */ c++; bigbuff[c]= ((*rgb16++ << 3) & 0xf8); /* b */ } write(o, &bigbuff[0], 921600); I would be interested in seeing how this could be done more elegantly. Thanks! It now runs in 2.54 seconds! I can take my QuickCam off the air and replace it with the WinTV card and a security camera. +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 6 02:03:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA09492 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 02:03:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA09479 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 02:03:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA25284 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 05:07:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 05:02:29 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Something really dumb. Have a look. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://www.inna.net/wintv.html 60second auto update. Currently its plugged into a satellite receiver. I capture an image once a minute and use the Netpbm tools to beat it into a gif. I think now I'll go look at using something else that might take less horsepower. We're pretty much waxing the processor doing the ppm-->gif conversion. This is using the STB WinTV card, Amancio's BT848 Driver, and rgb16.c from the meteor package. If only the camera I was going to use was working okay. +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 6 02:39:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA11335 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 02:39:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA11330 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 02:39:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA00319; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 02:39:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703061039.CAA00319@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Thomas Arnold cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Something really dumb. Have a look. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Mar 1997 05:02:29 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 02:39:44 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Try using 320x240, I think that your gifs are 640x480. Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of Thomas Arnold : > > http://www.inna.net/wintv.html > > 60second auto update. Currently its plugged into a satellite receiver. > I capture an image once a minute and use the Netpbm tools to beat it > into > a gif. I think now I'll go look at using something else that might take > less horsepower. We're pretty much waxing the processor doing the > ppm-->gif conversion. > > This is using the STB WinTV card, Amancio's BT848 Driver, and rgb16.c from > the meteor package. > > If only the camera I was going to use was working okay. > > +-----------------------------------------------+ > : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : > : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : > : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : > +-----------------------------------------------+ > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 6 02:47:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA11606 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 02:47:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA11599 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 02:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA00371; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 02:47:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703061047.CAA00371@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Thomas Arnold cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Something really dumb. Have a look. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Mar 1997 05:02:29 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 02:47:02 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Cool hack 8) Have fun, Amancio >From The Desk Of Thomas Arnold : > > http://www.inna.net/wintv.html > > 60second auto update. Currently its plugged into a satellite receiver. > I capture an image once a minute and use the Netpbm tools to beat it > into > a gif. I think now I'll go look at using something else that might take > less horsepower. We're pretty much waxing the processor doing the > ppm-->gif conversion. > > This is using the STB WinTV card, Amancio's BT848 Driver, and rgb16.c from > the meteor package. > > If only the camera I was going to use was working okay. > > +-----------------------------------------------+ > : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : > : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : > : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : > +-----------------------------------------------+ > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 6 04:30:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA15724 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 04:30:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from teligent.se (iservern.teligent.se [194.17.198.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA15685 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 04:29:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from datorn.teligent.se (datorn.teligent.se [192.168.2.31]) by teligent.se (8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA09063; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:28:28 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:30:06 +0100 (MET) From: Jakob Alvermark To: Doug White cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sound probs... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id EAA15717 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Doug White wrote: > On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Jakob Alvermark wrote: > > > I recently downloaded 3.0-CURRENT (3.0-970209-SNAP) and installed it. It > > works almost fine.. > > I added the required lines in the kernel config file to get the soundcard > > working. In my machine there's a GUS MAX. I also made the devices with > > "sh MAKEDEV" in the /etc directory. The kernel loads, probes for the GUS, Sorry.. /dev directory was what I meant.. :] > > finds it, all looks fine. > > > > When i run some programs for sound, it works, but som programs don't. > > "Couldn't open /dev/dsp" or "Couldn't open /dev/audio". I tried "cat > > /dev/dsp", it says "Device not configured". > > Amancio will have to comment on the legacy code, but I have a GUS PnP > using the guspnp6 patchset for 2.2 and it works fine. You might try > running /dev/MAKEDEV snd0 first, but you could try installing this. It's I did "sh MAKEDEV snd0" > at ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/guspnp6.tar.gz. Just extract from /, add > the lines in /sys/i386/isa/sound/README.GUSPNP, and off you go. Will this really help me? I don't have the PnP version, just a plain MAX. /Jakob ------------------------------------------------------- Teligent AB, P.O. Box 213, S-149 23 Nynäshamn, Sweden Telephone +46-(0)8 520 660 00 * Fax +46-(0)8 520 193 36 Direct +46-(0)8 520 660 32 * GSM +46-(0)70 792 16 57 From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 6 07:09:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA22499 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:09:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from deacon.cogsci.ed.ac.uk (deacon144.cogsci.ed.ac.uk [129.215.144.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA22480 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:09:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from richard@localhost) by deacon.cogsci.ed.ac.uk (8.6.10/8.6.12) id PAA11845; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:08:45 GMT Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:08:45 GMT Message-Id: <199703061508.PAA11845@deacon.cogsci.ed.ac.uk> From: Richard Tobin Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD To: Amancio Hasty In-Reply-To: Amancio Hasty's message of Tue, 04 Mar 1997 20:27:04 -0800 Organization: just say no Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does this discussion of the WinCast/TV card apply equally to the Win/TV card? As far as I can see, the difference is that the WinCast version is for the US and supports Intercast, while the Win version supports teletext. -- Richard From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 6 07:16:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA22838 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:16:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA22826 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:16:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA03252; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:16:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:16:10 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703061516.KAA03252@crh.cl.msu.edu> To: tom@inna.net, freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.multimedia References: <5flsrp$f0n$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.multimedia you write: >Thanks! >It looks ugly but I defined : >char bigbuff[921600] >then changed the writing routine to look like : > for (c = 0 ; c < ROWS*COLS*3; c++) { > bigbuff[c]= ((*rgb16 >> 7) & 0xf8); /* r */ > c++; > bigbuff[c]= ((*rgb16 >> 2) & 0xf8); /* g */ > c++; > bigbuff[c]= ((*rgb16++ << 3) & 0xf8); /* b */ > } > write(o, &bigbuff[0], 921600); >I would be interested in seeing how this could be done more elegantly. >Thanks! It now runs in 2.54 seconds! I can take my QuickCam off the >air and replace it with the WinTV card and a security camera. Change the code back to what it was.. Find all occurences of operation on that descriptor and chaqnge them to operations on a file pointer (e.g. fopen instead of open, fclose instead of close, fwrite instead of write).. This will give you buffered writes which should provide you a very large performance win. -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 6 11:29:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06091 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06085 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:29:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA02179; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:29:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:29:00 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Jakob Alvermark cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sound probs... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Jakob Alvermark wrote: > > > When i run some programs for sound, it works, but som programs don't. > > > "Couldn't open /dev/dsp" or "Couldn't open /dev/audio". I tried "cat > > > /dev/dsp", it says "Device not configured". > > > > Amancio will have to comment on the legacy code, but I have a GUS PnP > > using the guspnp6 patchset for 2.2 and it works fine. You might try > > running /dev/MAKEDEV snd0 first, but you could try installing this. It's > > I did "sh MAKEDEV snd0" > > > at ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/guspnp6.tar.gz. Just extract from /, add > > the lines in /sys/i386/isa/sound/README.GUSPNP, and off you go. > > Will this really help me? I don't have the PnP version, just a plain MAX. > Perhaps. It's a newer driver than the one in CURRENT. What does `cat /dev/sndstat` report? Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 6 11:44:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06804 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:44:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06783 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA02205; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:44:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:44:00 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Amancio Hasty cc: David Langford , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199703050427.UAA01285@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > first off they all are good cards. > > Some prefer the WinCast/TV because it has better drivers under Win95 than > STB PC TV. The Intel Smart Video Recorder has got to win the award > for the most minimal driver support -- no "pci to pci transfer" no > yuv12, no rgb15 , no rgb16, etc... Sometimes I ask myself how Intel > managed to write a functionable driver well I sort of know the origin > politics 8) Well, I took the plunge and bought the Hauppauge unit. Will the tuner work, or is it specific to the STB unit? > Steve Passe I believe has a head start in terms of providing tuner > support for his STB PC TV --- see http://freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/Bt848.html Checking. > Intel Smart Video Recoder III around $179 > WinCastTV around $149 I found $139+shipping from PC Connection which is listed on Hauppauge's web site. And this is the dbx/Stereo unit! :) Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 6 13:38:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA13275 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13270 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:38:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05988; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:38:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703062138.NAA05988@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Doug White cc: Jakob Alvermark , freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sound probs... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Mar 1997 11:29:00 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 13:38:33 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry about the state of that version of the sound driver. The sound driver is rather difficult to maintain due to its support for many different cards. That version was enhanced to support the gus pnp which is the card which I own right . My gus max broke several months . The near term future is that we are waiting for a release from Hannu Savolainen when this happens the sound problems for non gus pnp should be alleviated. Regards Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 6 16:27:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23978 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23973 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00599; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:27:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703070027.QAA00599@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Randall Hopper cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, David Langford Subject: Re: Video Capture for FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Mar 1997 17:00:21 EST." <19970305170021.08896@ct.picker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 16:27:46 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Randall Hopper : > David, in terms of a review, I don't know much about the Intel & STB cards, > but as for the WinCast, here's a short feature list I pulled together > before I put down the green for my TV/dbx. Besides what's listed Hauppauge > has recently added 16 channel preview to their MSW95 S/W. Though I'm never > in Windoze to use these features, I guess they're important to some. > Well, I just recently added support for dual or more Bt848 cards for that True Peaceful FreeBSD couch potatoe experience. It just makes it easier to manage those annoying commercial breaks. Just tested over here and it seems to be working okay . Had to patch the driver a little bit but it is okay now. Just got a wincast/tv , the $139 deal (it has cable, dbx, etc..) got it at Frys in Palo Alto, California. BTW: Anyone know where can I get an Intel Smart Video Recorder III in Silicon Valley. I just lost my clients one and I have to replace it. I bought my Intel Smart Video Recorder at a mail order place and I am not in the mood for long delays in shipment. Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 6 16:43:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA25413 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:43:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25396 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00923 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:43:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703070043.QAA00923@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: tuner support for the WinCast/TV dbx? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 16:43:04 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I know some of you are hacking away at tuner support. Does anyone have anything for my card? Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 6 18:08:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA02198 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 18:08:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from os.inf.tu-dresden.de (os.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.46]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02155 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 18:07:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hohmuth@localhost) by os.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA12103; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 03:07:34 +0100 From: Michael Hohmuth To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Doug White , Jakob Alvermark , freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sound probs... References: <199703062138.NAA05988@rah.star-gate.com> Date: 07 Mar 1997 03:07:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: Amancio Hasty's message of Thu, 06 Mar 1997 13:38:33 -0800 Message-ID: <7szpwgfo9l.fsf@os.inf.tu-dresden.de> Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty writes: > The near term future is that we are waiting for a release from > Hannu Savolainen when this happens the sound problems for non > gus pnp should be alleviated. He told me that a freeware release of the OSS drivers is to be expected for December -- not exacty what I would call ``near term future.'' Until then, there will be a commercial OSS version (to be released soon after 2.2-RELEASE). Michael -- Email: hohmuth@inf.tu-dresden.de WWW: http://www.inf.tu-dresden.de/~mh1/ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 6 18:14:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA02538 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 18:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02531 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 18:14:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00552; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 18:14:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703070214.SAA00552@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Michael Hohmuth cc: Doug White , Jakob Alvermark , freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sound probs... In-reply-to: Your message of "07 Mar 1997 03:07:34 +0100." <7szpwgfo9l.fsf@os.inf.tu-dresden.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 18:14:11 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, all I can say is that I have limited time and resources over here. If you like just try out the stock FreeBSD sound driver. Regards, Amancio >From The Desk Of Michael Hohmuth : > Amancio Hasty writes: > > > The near term future is that we are waiting for a release from > > Hannu Savolainen when this happens the sound problems for non > > gus pnp should be alleviated. > > He told me that a freeware release of the OSS drivers is to be > expected for December -- not exacty what I would call ``near term > future.'' Until then, there will be a commercial OSS version (to be > released soon after 2.2-RELEASE). > > Michael > -- > Email: hohmuth@inf.tu-dresden.de > WWW: http://www.inf.tu-dresden.de/~mh1/ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 6 20:33:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA12130 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:33:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA12122 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA19807; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 21:30:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199703070430.VAA19807@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: Amancio Hasty cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tuner support for the WinCast/TV dbx? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Mar 1997 16:43:04 PST." <199703070043.QAA00923@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 21:30:06 -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > I know some of you are hacking away at tuner support. Does anyone have > anything for my card? > try my STB tuner code, it should come close to working. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 6 23:11:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA21491 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:11:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA21485 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:11:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA00338 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:11:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:11:03 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! My WinCast/TV came today. System info: P133, ASUS P55T2P4 mb, Mach64 GX (Graphics Ultra Pro) w/ 2MB VRAM, Xfree 3.2, Hauppauge WinCast/TV dbx, bt848 v0.3. Here's the current results of my playing: 1. dtv complains it requires a "full color display." Ok, have to drop a screensize to 800x600x24bits or 800x600x32bits but that's workable. I usually run 1024x768x16bits. 2. With tv, I get a red box covering the upper-right 2/3 of the display, and the following kernel message: bktr0: ioctl: tsleep error 35 10000a8 The address at the end varies, it was 100001c at one point. Pressing any key kills tv with an X error. On 24 bit mode, the red is interlaced with screen lines; I can see a black "simple television app" window behind it. Obviously the red has no bearing on where the app window is. Also my x pointer disappears while tv is running. The movement picks up (virtual screen moves) but no pointer. 3. the vic.bktr.gz from rah works fine. I get snow on "port 1" and bluescreen on everything else -- I only have regular TV cable plugged in at the moment. Have to remember to crank the loadlimits all the way down so the picture is smooth. :) I'll go get the camcorder and see what I can see. 4. The remote control app doesn't make anything intelligent appear, but when I change the channels the snow pattern changes, so we may be on to something. This is viewing the output thru vic on port 1. Hm, this is the exact opposite of what I was expecting...I was expecting tv to work and vic not to. :) Amancio, you mentioned you had to tweak the driver to work -- could you perhaps post the patch so I could try it? I have this sinking feeling that direct tv may not work because of the Mach64. Maybe I should budget this weekend trying to extract the S3 968 from the P166 and not crash Win95 in the process...:) Good luck guys -- I'm always happy to try beta bt848 code, there's always the backup kernel :) Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 6 23:53:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA24167 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24157 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:53:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01799; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:53:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703070753.XAA01799@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Doug White cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Mar 1997 23:11:03 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 23:53:17 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Doug White : > 1. dtv complains it requires a "full color display." Ok, have to drop a > screensize to 800x600x24bits or 800x600x32bits but that's workable. I > usually run 1024x768x16bits. Try running the X server with 15bits. > 2. With tv, I get a red box covering the upper-right 2/3 of the display, > and the following kernel message: > > bktr0: ioctl: tsleep error 35 10000a8 I will loook into this over here since I have a wincast card. > The address at the end varies, it was 100001c at one point. Pressing any > key kills tv with an X error. On 24 bit mode, the red is interlaced with > screen lines; I can see a black "simple television app" window behind it. > Obviously the red has no bearing on where the app window is. Also my x > pointer disappears while tv is running. The movement picks up (virtual > screen moves) but no pointer. > > 3. the vic.bktr.gz from rah works fine. I get snow on "port 1" and > bluescreen on everything else -- I only have regular TV cable plugged in > at the moment. Have to remember to crank the loadlimits all the way down > so the picture is smooth. :) I'll go get the camcorder and see what I > can see. > > 4. The remote control app doesn't make anything intelligent appear, but > when I change the channels the snow pattern changes, so we may be on to > something. This is viewing the output thru vic on port 1. Not sure but I think that wincast expects the channels connected to the cable style input port. > Hm, this is the exact opposite of what I was expecting...I was expecting > tv to work and vic not to. :) > Amancio, you mentioned you had to tweak the driver to work -- could you > perhaps post the patch so I could try it? Not sure that you need my driver. The problem with tv is that you may be using the wrong input port. But I will let you know later on tonite. > I have this sinking feeling that direct tv may not work because of the > Mach64. Maybe I should budget this weekend trying to extract the S3 968 > from the P166 and not crash Win95 in the process...:) Well, if you have a linear buffer presented to you by the X server then I should be able to tweak the driver to work for you. The Mach has the opposite order of RGB pixel values however I should be able to reverse the pixels in the bt848 driver. Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 02:06:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA01516 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 02:06:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA01506 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 02:06:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA01446; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 02:06:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703071006.CAA01446@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Doug White cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Mar 1997 23:11:03 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 02:06:23 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, my wincast/tv seems to be working okay over here with dtv and tv. In fact, I modify dtv to output two simulataneous streams one from the Intel Smart Video Recorder III and one from the Wincast/Tv. I started my X server with 15bits 1280x1024 resolution and placed the two 640x480 windows on the top half of my display. It works like charm on PPro 200Mhz which is surprising due to the natoma chipset. The tuner part is not working yet over here and I did checkout the card on my win95 box . I will probably release another version of the driver this weekend . Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 03:18:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA03708 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 03:18:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA03703 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 03:18:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id LAA19556; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:25:28 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199703071025.LAA19556@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:25:28 +0100 (MET) Cc: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199703071006.CAA01446@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Mar 7, 97 02:06:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well, my wincast/tv seems to be working okay over here with dtv and tv. > In fact, I modify dtv to output two simulataneous streams one from > the Intel Smart Video Recorder III and one from the Wincast/Tv. I see the next step... 4 Wincast/TV in a box, dumping video to four windows... or, just two wincast with horizontally adjacent windows, 3d glasses and 3d processing on the output so as to give a "depth" effect... Luigi From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 03:27:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA03993 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 03:27:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA03982 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 03:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA00429; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 03:26:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703071126.DAA00429@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Mar 1997 11:25:28 +0100." <199703071025.LAA19556@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 03:26:16 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Luigi Rizzo : > > Well, my wincast/tv seems to be working okay over here with dtv and tv. > > In fact, I modify dtv to output two simulataneous streams one from > > the Intel Smart Video Recorder III and one from the Wincast/Tv. > > I see the next step... 4 Wincast/TV in a box, dumping video to four > windows... > > or, just two wincast with horizontally adjacent windows, 3d glasses and > 3d processing on the output so as to give a "depth" effect... > > Luigi Actually, the next step is three video streams . Two for stereoscopic display and one well you know for PIP 8) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 04:15:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA06369 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 04:15:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA06357 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 04:14:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 7:13:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17816; Fri, 7 Mar 97 07:13:53 EST Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA17339; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 07:11:20 -0500 Message-Id: <19970307071120.41638@ct.picker.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 07:11:20 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: Doug White Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.64 In-Reply-To: ; from Doug White on Thu, Mar 06, 1997 at 11:11:03PM -0800 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Doug White: |1. dtv complains it requires a "full color display." Ok, have to drop a |screensize to 800x600x24bits or 800x600x32bits but that's workable. I |usually run 1024x768x16bits. I modified dtv to do this as well as do direct-video in a movable/resizable X window. It also treats 555 16bpp just like 15bpp as far as the visual detection stuff goes, so it'll work in 1024x768 16bpp (I too prefer running at this res): http://users.multiverse.com/~rhh/dtv |I have this sinking feeling that direct tv may not work because of the |Mach64. Maybe I should budget this weekend trying to extract the S3 968 |from the P166 and not crash Win95 in the process...:) Hmmm. According to the Hauppage page, should work OK with the Mach64 for RGB transfers to the frame buffer. Are you using a Pro Turbo or an Expression (VRAM or DRAM is what I'm curious about)? Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 04:20:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA06867 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 04:20:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA06862 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 04:20:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 7:19:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17900; Fri, 7 Mar 97 07:19:09 EST Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA17347; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 07:16:40 -0500 Message-Id: <19970307071640.45965@ct.picker.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 07:16:40 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: Doug White Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.64 In-Reply-To: ; from Doug White on Thu, Mar 06, 1997 at 11:11:03PM -0800 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Doug White: |System info: P133, ASUS P55T2P4 mb, Mach64 GX (Graphics Ultra Pro) w/ 2MB |VRAM, Xfree 3.2, Hauppauge WinCast/TV dbx, bt848 v0.3. Oh, I'm sorry. I missed it. But the Graphics Ultra Pro is a VRAM Mach32 card isn't it? Or do you have a VRAM Mach64 Graphics Pro Turbo? Either way you've got VRAM which is what I was wondering about. Hmmm. Strange. I've got a Wincast on a P55TP4XE (Triton 1) DMAing to a EDORAM video card (Hercules Stingray 64/Video 2Meg) and it works OK if I leave the video window alone. (There's an occasional system hang when I reconfigure the capture parameters and restart capture multiple times in an app run, but Amancio thinks that might be error recovery in the driver.) Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 07:58:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA22082 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 07:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.139.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA22075 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 07:58:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from james@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA32667; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:57:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:57:12 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199703071557.JAA32667@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Subject: Re: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV Cc: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, multimedia@freebsd.org Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: Amancio Hasty > > >From The Desk Of Luigi Rizzo : > > > Well, my wincast/tv seems to be working okay over here with dtv and tv. > > > In fact, I modify dtv to output two simulataneous streams one from > > > the Intel Smart Video Recorder III and one from the Wincast/Tv. > > > > I see the next step... 4 Wincast/TV in a box, dumping video to four > > windows... > > > > or, just two wincast with horizontally adjacent windows, 3d glasses and > > 3d processing on the output so as to give a "depth" effect... > > > > Luigi > > Actually, the next step is three video streams . > Two for stereoscopic display and one well you know for PIP 8) > Connecting an IMAX camera and projector via a network would be real cool :-). -Jim From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 08:07:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA23269 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 08:07:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23260 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 08:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13998; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:11:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:05:56 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold To: Amancio Hasty cc: Doug White , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV In-Reply-To: <199703070753.XAA01799@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > 2. With tv, I get a red box covering the upper-right 2/3 of the display, > > and the following kernel message: > > > > bktr0: ioctl: tsleep error 35 10000a8 I get this same error. It seems to come at this line if that helps : ioctl(i, METEORCAPTUR, &c); ( gdb rocks! Thanks Amancio! ) +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 09:41:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02263 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (gw.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02237 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:41:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA09719; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:41:24 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199703071741.KAA09719@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Authentication-Warning: Ilsa.StevesCafe.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: Amancio Hasty cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Mar 1997 02:06:23 PST." <199703071006.CAA01446@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 10:41:24 -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > Well, my wincast/tv seems to be working okay over here with dtv and tv. > ... > The tuner part is not working yet over here and I did checkout the card > on my win95 box . I suggest looking at the bttv driver code that I used for info on how the tuners work. It is written for the wincast/tv card. What are you trying to tune, broadcast or cable? I've never tested the cable code (I don't have cable...) Perhaps a more detailed description of how it "doesn't work" would give me an idea. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | SMP FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 10:08:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03900 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:08:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03851 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:08:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27510; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:11:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:06:14 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold To: Amancio Hasty cc: Doug White , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Thomas Arnold wrote: > I get this same error. > It seems to come at this line if that helps : > > ioctl(i, METEORCAPTUR, &c); > > ( gdb rocks! Thanks Amancio! ) Would prolly help if I mentioned that that is a line from rgb16.c +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 10:13:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04147 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:13:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04138 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01634; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:13:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703071813.KAA01634@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Steve Passe cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Mar 1997 10:41:24 MST." <199703071741.KAA09719@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 10:13:02 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have cable over here so thats what I am using for ntsc input to WinCast/TV. The result is the picture is all black. I now that the card cards because I can get a feed also off my cable box or from my camera. tnks for the tip about bttv I will take a look . Regards, Amancio >From The Desk Of Steve Passe : > Hi, > > > Well, my wincast/tv seems to be working okay over here with dtv and tv. > > ... > > The tuner part is not working yet over here and I did checkout the card > > on my win95 box . > > I suggest looking at the bttv driver code that I used for info on how the > tuners work. It is written for the wincast/tv card. What are you trying > to tune, broadcast or cable? I've never tested the cable code (I don't have > cable...) > > Perhaps a more detailed description of how it "doesn't work" would give me > an idea. > > -- > Steve Passe | powered by > smp@csn.net | SMP FreeBSD > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 10:13:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04183 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:13:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04178 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA00287; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:13:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:13:37 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Amancio Hasty cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV In-Reply-To: <199703070753.XAA01799@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Try running the X server with 15bits. 15 bpp isn't a valid value for this X server. > > 2. With tv, I get a red box covering the upper-right 2/3 of the display, > > and the following kernel message: > > > > bktr0: ioctl: tsleep error 35 10000a8 > > I will loook into this over here since I have a wincast card. I get this when I capture with vic also, so it may just be a driver tweak. vic throws out this note when I turn transmit on: vic: meteor sees no signal(1)-using ntsc. I think you and I are virtually in the same boat, only you have an S3 and I have a Mach64. > Not sure but I think that wincast expects the channels connected > to the cable style input port. It is. I have standard coax TV cable on the screw-on nub. I don't have any composite devices here at the moment. I have the SVideo-out audio patch cable connected to my GUS PnP -- haven't gotten it to put out any audio yet. > > Amancio, you mentioned you had to tweak the driver to work -- could you > > perhaps post the patch so I could try it? > > Not sure that you need my driver. The problem with tv is that you may > be using the wrong input port. But I will let you know later on tonite. OK, keep us posted. I'm sure it's connected right though. > > I have this sinking feeling that direct tv may not work because of the > > Mach64. Maybe I should budget this weekend trying to extract the S3 968 > > from the P166 and not crash Win95 in the process...:) > > Well, if you have a linear buffer presented to you by the X server then > I should be able to tweak the driver to work for you. The Mach has the > opposite order of RGB pixel values however I should be able to reverse > the pixels in the bt848 driver. That's the thing - there's no mention of a linear frame buffer during the X boot probe. The Mach64 README makes no mention of a linear framebuffer option either. The red screen makes sense if the bits are backwards -- it's really a blue screen. Does tv need to select the input? Here's the X server output: XFree86 Version 3.2 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6100) Release Date: Oct 26 1996 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: FreeBSD 2.1.5 Configured drivers: Mach64: accelerated server for ATI Mach64 graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0) Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0) (using VT number 9) XF86Config: /etc/XF86Config (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values (**) Mouse: type: Microsoft, device: /dev/cuaa0, baudrate: 1200, 3 button emulation (timeout: 50ms) (**) Mach64: Graphics device ID: "ATI WinTurbo" (**) Mach64: Monitor ID: "Mag DX17F" (**) FontPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" (--) Mach64: PCI: Mach64 GX rev 3, Aperture @ 0xf9000000, Sparse I/O @ 0x02ec (**) Mach64: Option "power_saver" (--) Mach64: card type: PCI (--) Mach64: Memory type: 5 (--) Mach64: Clock type: ATI18818-1/ICS2595 (--) Mach64: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 135.000 MHz (**) Mach64: Mode "1024x768": mode clock = 85.000 (**) Mach64: Mode "640x480": mode clock = 31.500 (**) Mach64: Mode "800x600": mode clock = 50.000 (**) Mach64: Mode "1024x768": mode clock = 85.000 (**) Mach64: Virtual resolution: 1024x768 (--) Mach64: videoram: 2048k (--) Mach64: Using hardware cursor (--) Mach64: Using 8 MB aperture @ 0xf9000000 (--) Mach64: Ramdac is ATI68860 Rev C (--) Mach64: Using 8 bits per RGB value (--) Mach64: Pixmap cache: 2 256x256 slots, 8 128x128 slots, 32 64x64 slots (--) Mach64: Font cache: 16 fonts PEX extension module not loaded XIE extension module not loaded Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 10:17:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04429 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04424 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:17:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA00297; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:17:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:17:43 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Randall Hopper cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV In-Reply-To: <19970307071640.45965@ct.picker.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Randall Hopper wrote: > Doug White: > |System info: P133, ASUS P55T2P4 mb, Mach64 GX (Graphics Ultra Pro) w/ 2MB > |VRAM, Xfree 3.2, Hauppauge WinCast/TV dbx, bt848 v0.3. > > Oh, I'm sorry. I missed it. But the Graphics Ultra Pro is a VRAM Mach32 > card isn't it? Or do you have a VRAM Mach64 Graphics Pro Turbo? Either > way you've got VRAM which is what I was wondering about. Hmmm. Strange. Dooh, wrong model. It's the Pro Turbo. (Too many words...) The specs are right, the model name is wrong. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 10:32:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05326 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:32:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05321 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:32:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA00543; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:32:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:32:31 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Randall Hopper cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV In-Reply-To: <19970307071120.41638@ct.picker.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Randall Hopper wrote: > I modified dtv to do this as well as do direct-video in a movable/resizable > X window. It also treats 555 16bpp just like 15bpp as far as the visual > detection stuff goes, so it'll work in 1024x768 16bpp (I too prefer running > at this res): > > http://users.multiverse.com/~rhh/dtv OK, this works much better, BUT still doesn't like 16 bit mode. (says "unsupported depth: try 15 or 24bit"). In 24 bit mode, I can actually move the window around and my cursor is still there :) Hm, found out I've been running around in 8 bit mode. No wonder I was running out of colors so fast! :) > |I have this sinking feeling that direct tv may not work because of the > |Mach64. Maybe I should budget this weekend trying to extract the S3 968 > |from the P166 and not crash Win95 in the process...:) > > Hmmm. According to the Hauppage page, should work OK with the Mach64 for > RGB transfers to the frame buffer. Are you using a Pro Turbo or an > Expression (VRAM or DRAM is what I'm curious about)? Pro Turbo, VRAM. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 10:33:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05372 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05357 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:33:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01779; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:33:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703071833.KAA01779@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Doug White cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Mar 1997 10:13:37 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 10:33:05 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Doug White : > (--) Mach64: Using 8 MB aperture @ 0xf9000000 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yes, the X server knows about the card's linear frame buffer. They just use aperture instead of linear frame buffer. Will have to tweak the driver to swap the bytes for you. Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 10:38:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05719 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05712 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:38:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA00550; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:38:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:38:44 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Amancio Hasty cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV In-Reply-To: <199703071833.KAA01779@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > >From The Desk Of Doug White : > > (--) Mach64: Using 8 MB aperture @ 0xf9000000 > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Yes, the X server knows about the card's linear frame buffer. They > just use aperture instead of linear frame buffer. Goes to show you what I know about X server terminology. :) Thanks for pointing this out. > Will have to tweak the driver to swap the bytes for you. Thanks. I'll go home today and get a camera and see if I can swipe a cable tuner from Housing. We have a few billion that TCI gave us when they wired up the dorms. If anything, I'll plug the tuner through the camera to get RCA out and watch it that way :) Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 10:40:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05931 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA05913 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:40:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28232; Fri, 7 Mar 97 13:39:27 EST Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA21861; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:36:50 -0500 Message-Id: <19970307133650.39561@ct.picker.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:36:50 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: Doug White Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV References: <19970307071120.41638@ct.picker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.64 In-Reply-To: ; from Doug White on Fri, Mar 07, 1997 at 10:32:31AM -0800 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Doug White: |On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Randall Hopper wrote: |> I modified dtv to do this as well as do direct-video in a movable/resizable |> X window. It also treats 555 16bpp just like 15bpp as far as the visual |> detection stuff goes, so it'll work in 1024x768 16bpp (I too prefer running |> at this res): |> |> http://users.multiverse.com/~rhh/dtv | |OK, this works much better, BUT still doesn't like 16 bit mode. (says |"unsupported depth: try 15 or 24bit"). In 24 bit mode, I can actually |move the window around and my cursor is still there :) Make sure you've got a "Weight 555" in your XF86Config just under "Depth 16". If its 16bpp, it ORs the RGB masks for the visual and if it gives "0x7fff" it kicks in the regular 15bpp processing. Randy From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 10:50:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06488 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:50:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (gw.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06480 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:50:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA10522 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:49:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199703071849.LAA10522@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Authentication-Warning: Ilsa.StevesCafe.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: back door to Amancio Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 11:49:58 -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio, I just tried to send mail directly to you via: rah.star-gate.com, it bounced complaining: slocal: unable to create temporary file 554 "| /usr/local/lib/mh/slocal -user hasty"... unknown mailer error 1 perhaps your /var fs is full? -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | SMP FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 19:55:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA16666 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 19:55:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16645 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 19:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA00724 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:42:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id VAA20632 for multimedia@freebsd.org; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 21:56:30 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199703072056.VAA20632@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: WinCast: what a waste... :) To: multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 21:56:29 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, today I finally got my WinCast/TV and, surprise surprise, I noticed that it has, in addition to the Tuner and the Bt848, a couple of more chips which looks suspiciously like a Teletext decoder and a SRAM (32Kx8 ?)... What a waste after I did the teletext decoding in software using an ordinary video capture board :) Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 19:58:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA17260 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 19:58:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA17212 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 19:57:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA00223 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00641; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:19:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:19:31 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Randall Hopper cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mixed results w/ WinCast/TV In-Reply-To: <19970307133650.39561@ct.picker.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Randall Hopper wrote: > |> http://users.multiverse.com/~rhh/dtv > | > |OK, this works much better, BUT still doesn't like 16 bit mode. (says > |"unsupported depth: try 15 or 24bit"). In 24 bit mode, I can actually > |move the window around and my cursor is still there :) > > Make sure you've got a "Weight 555" in your XF86Config just under "Depth > 16". If its 16bpp, it ORs the RGB masks for the visual and if it gives > "0x7fff" it kicks in the regular 15bpp processing. OK, will do. Thanks for the help. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 7 21:45:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA23990 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 21:45:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23979 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 21:45:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00576 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 21:45:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703080545.VAA00576@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: My system is going down for about a day Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 21:45:38 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have to move my equipment around and my systems will not be back up till Saturday nite. Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Mar 8 00:34:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA01208 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 00:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (gw.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01203 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 00:34:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA19670 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 01:34:24 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199703080834.BAA19670@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Authentication-Warning: Ilsa.StevesCafe.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Tuner working in color Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 01:34:24 -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Amacio got the tuner working on the Wincast/TV, and found the trick for getting color out. I've added functionality to the Xremote for setting the contrast/hue/chroma/briteness. I've gathered up all the pieces and placed them here: http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/Xremote.html Now someone needs to tackle the audio portion of the board... -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | SMP FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Mar 8 06:49:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA16061 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 06:49:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA16054 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 06:48:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA22074; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 15:04:51 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199703081404.PAA22074@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Tuner working in color To: smp@csn.net (Steve Passe) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 15:04:50 +0100 (MET) Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703080834.BAA19670@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> from "Steve Passe" at Mar 8, 97 01:34:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > Amacio got the tuner working on the Wincast/TV, and found the trick > for getting color out. I've added functionality to the Xremote > for setting the contrast/hue/chroma/briteness. I've gathered up all > the pieces and placed them here: > > http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/Xremote.html > > Now someone needs to tackle the audio portion of the board... and the teletext one! Is there an integrated bt848 driver including all the latest patches ? Thanks Luigi From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Mar 8 12:43:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01619 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 12:43:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (sc-gw.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.191]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01611 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 12:42:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA29240; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 13:42:31 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199703082042.NAA29240@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Authentication-Warning: Ilsa.StevesCafe.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: Luigi Rizzo cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tuner working in color In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 08 Mar 1997 15:04:50 +0100." <199703081404.PAA22074@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 13:42:31 -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > Is there an integrated bt848 driver including all the latest patches ? no, not yet. once it gets committed to the freeBSD source tree this will all become much simpler. Till then we just have to deal with it... -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzHe7tEAAAEEAM274wAEEdP+grIrV6UtBt54FB5ufifFRA5ujzflrvlF8aoE 04it5BsUPFi3jJLfvOQeydbegexspPXL6kUejYt2OeptHuroIVW5+y2M2naTwqtX WVGeBP6s2q/fPPAS+g+sNZCpVBTbuinKa/C4Q6HJ++M9AyzIq5EuvO0a8Rr9AAUR tBlTdGV2ZSBQYXNzZSA8c21wQGNzbi5uZXQ+ =ds99 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Mar 8 19:35:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA22637 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 19:35:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA22632 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 19:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01573; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 19:35:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703090335.TAA01573@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Julian Elischer cc: Steve Passe , Luigi Rizzo , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tuner working in color In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 08 Mar 1997 13:42:31 MST." <199703082042.NAA29240@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 19:35:21 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Steve Passe : > Hi, > > > Is there an integrated bt848 driver including all the latest patches ? > > no, not yet. once it gets committed to the freeBSD source tree this > will all become much simpler. Till then we just have to deal with it... Hi Julian, Care to commit the new Bt848 driver to -current? right now I am getting very busy with work and I don't have alot of time for coordinating the effort. The driver is at: ftp://rah.star-gate.com/bt848-0.3.tar.gz What needs to be committed is the contents of the bt848: brooktree848.c brktree_reg.h both files go to the /sys/pci Here are the tidbits on how to install the video capture driver: cp brktree_reg.h brooktree848.c /sys/pci/ In your kernel configuration file: controller pci0 #if you already have this line don't add it. device bktr0 There is no need to specify DMA channels nor interrupts for this driver. In /sys/conf/files add: pci/brooktree848.c optional bktr device-driver Create the device: mknod /dev/bktr0 c 79 0 Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Mar 8 19:37:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA22731 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 19:37:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (sc-gw.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.191]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA22725 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 19:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA04027 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 20:37:27 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199703090337.UAA04027@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Authentication-Warning: Ilsa.StevesCafe.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tuner working in color Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 20:37:27 -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I've updated the xremote client to include a new button for toggling between broadcast and cable tuning, and a button to toggle among tuner/RCA/S-VHS inputs. http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/Xremote.html -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | SMP FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Mar 8 22:51:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA01743 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:51:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01738 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:51:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA01092 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:51:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703090651.WAA01092@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Anyone on the list who can check-in the bt848 driver? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 22:51:04 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just asked Julian however he is too busy right and going away for 3 weeks. So anyone willing to lend a hand? Tnks, Amancio