From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Dec 14 02:57:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA27946 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 02:57:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from silver.sms.fi (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA27936 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 02:57:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pete@silver.sms.fi) Received: (from pete@localhost) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.8/8.7.3) id MAA28409; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 12:57:16 +0200 (EET) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 12:57:16 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199712141057.MAA28409@silver.sms.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Petri Helenius To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty), multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, don@partsnow.com Subject: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) In-Reply-To: <199712140538.GAA01124@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> References: <199712132104.NAA06292@rah.star-gate.com> <199712140538.GAA01124@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Luigi Rizzo writes: > > controller and helping Petri for an rtp to mtv glue logic. > > this is a very interesting project. Yes, I'm not sure how much you cut off from Amancio's email, I'll expand a little. The idea is that you run this like: mrtp VVV.VVV.VVV.VVV/video_port AAA.AAA.AAA.AAA/audio_port | mtv - And it will play a MPEG AV stream off the network, with A/V synchronization at the playback. The problem this addresses is that the usual case is that we have two RTP streams in the network which must be multiplexed together to an ISO MPEG system stream. Amancio is doing the system stream generation and I've put together a single stream RTP decoder so far which works like this: mrtp VVV.VVV.VVV.VVV/video_port | mtv - And you'll get the video off the network. Or: mrtp AAA.AAA.AAA.AAA/audio_port | mpg123-m - And you'll have a MPEG-audio net radio. The idea here is that one uses multicast but there is no reason why the tool could not be used with unicast also. (Actually it checks for unicast/multicast address before calling things like IP_ADD_MEMBERSHIP) So if you want to improve on your transcoder you might want to change it into a transmitter, reading .mp2 and .mp3 files and transmitting them with RTP headers over multicast. The next step might be to add encryption to both the transmitter and receiver. The good side about both mtv and mpeg123 is that they are very tolerant to bad MPEG data, so the wrapper can pass partial frames into them and they'll just klick and hiss and life goes on. (unlike mpeg_play which complains and quits or crashes) Also, I observed that mtv is about 20-35% more performant on the same hardware than similar function performed under Win95. I only wish we could get full screen operation for mtv in the future (Tristan?) Pete From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Dec 14 04:06:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA01650 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 04:06:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA01643 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 04:06:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA11703; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 04:06:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199712141206.EAA11703@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Petri Helenius cc: Luigi Rizzo , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, don@partsnow.com, tristan@mpegtv.com Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 14 Dec 1997 12:57:16 +0200." <199712141057.MAA28409@silver.sms.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 04:06:32 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The full screen playback is a low level X thingie and either we will have to implement it or ask the XFree86 team to do it . On one of my contracts I did hardware assist fax decompression so I sort of have an idea on how to do full screen playback. At the low level it requires storing the image in yuv format in the off display region then doing yuv to color expansion to the display region and I believe vga controllers are also capable of doing dma yuv to color display directly to the display region -- the latter one I am not too sure however I have the specs for my S3 968 laying around so I can check on this later on. BTW: if we implement yuv to color expansion vic can also benefit or for that matter h.261 and h.263 playback. Now if a mechanism for doing yuv to color is created , getting Tristan to use it is a different matter 8) Enjoy, Amancio > Luigi Rizzo writes: > > > controller and helping Petri for an rtp to mtv glue logic. > > > > this is a very interesting project. > > Yes, I'm not sure how much you cut off from Amancio's email, I'll > expand a little. The idea is that you run this like: > mrtp VVV.VVV.VVV.VVV/video_port AAA.AAA.AAA.AAA/audio_port | mtv - > > And it will play a MPEG AV stream off the network, with A/V > synchronization at the playback. The problem this addresses is that > the usual case is that we have two RTP streams in the network which > must be multiplexed together to an ISO MPEG system stream. Amancio is > doing the system stream generation and I've put together a single > stream RTP decoder so far which works like this: > mrtp VVV.VVV.VVV.VVV/video_port | mtv - > > And you'll get the video off the network. Or: > mrtp AAA.AAA.AAA.AAA/audio_port | mpg123-m - > > And you'll have a MPEG-audio net radio. The idea here is that one uses > multicast but there is no reason why the tool could not be used with > unicast also. (Actually it checks for unicast/multicast address before > calling things like IP_ADD_MEMBERSHIP) > > So if you want to improve on your transcoder you might want to change > it into a transmitter, reading .mp2 and .mp3 files and transmitting > them with RTP headers over multicast. > > The next step might be to add encryption to both the transmitter and > receiver. > > The good side about both mtv and mpeg123 is that they are very > tolerant to bad MPEG data, so the wrapper can pass partial frames into > them and they'll just klick and hiss and life goes on. (unlike > mpeg_play which complains and quits or crashes) > > Also, I observed that mtv is about 20-35% more performant on the same > hardware than similar function performed under Win95. I only wish we > could get full screen operation for mtv in the future (Tristan?) > > Pete From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Dec 14 07:36:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA14087 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 07:36:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA14081 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 07:36:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA01772; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:09:46 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199712141409.PAA01772@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:09:46 +0100 (MET) Cc: pete@sms.fi, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, don@partsnow.com, tristan@mpegtv.com In-Reply-To: <199712141206.EAA11703@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Dec 14, 97 04:06:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The full screen playback is a low level X thingie and either we will ... > > hardware than similar function performed under Win95. I only wish we > > could get full screen operation for mtv in the future (Tristan?) What I usually do in this case is to have a small-resolution mode in XF86Config (e.g. 400x300 etc.) so when I want to see full screen video (with tv/fxtv/vic at least) I switch video mode (with CTRL_ALT-+) to one matching the size of the window I want to watch. The of course move a couple of meters away from your screen :) luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Dec 14 08:52:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA18660 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 08:52:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from silver.sms.fi (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA18654 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 08:52:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pete@silver.sms.fi) Received: (from pete@localhost) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.8/8.7.3) id SAA28871; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:38:02 +0200 (EET) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:38:02 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199712141638.SAA28871@silver.sms.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Petri Helenius To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty), multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, don@partsnow.com, tristan@mpegtv.com Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) In-Reply-To: <199712141409.PAA01772@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> References: <199712141206.EAA11703@rah.star-gate.com> <199712141409.PAA01772@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Luigi Rizzo writes: > > The full screen playback is a low level X thingie and either we will > ... > > > hardware than similar function performed under Win95. I only wish we > > > could get full screen operation for mtv in the future (Tristan?) > > What I usually do in this case is to have a small-resolution mode in > XF86Config (e.g. 400x300 etc.) so when I want to see full screen video > (with tv/fxtv/vic at least) I switch video mode (with CTRL_ALT-+) to > one matching the size of the window I want to watch. Yes, my question would be can this be done from the application? That is run a "fullscreen.c" and then it would do this trick and fire up MPEG-TV or whatever. > > The of course move a couple of meters away from your screen :) > Yes. I've been looking at the TV-out cards but haven't decided on any of them yet. However since my TV has RGB input, would anyone know if XFree can be tuned to small enough resolution with interlacing to be displayed on the TV? Pete From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Dec 14 09:21:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA20624 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 09:21:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com (as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com [206.27.167.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA20614 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 09:21:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from conrads@as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by as5200-port-254.no.neosoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA01066; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:20:36 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-beta-102697 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199712090450.FAA00293@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:20:35 -0000 (GMT) Reply-To: Conrad Sabatier Organization: NeoSoft, Inc. From: Conrad Sabatier To: Luigi Rizzo Subject: Re: SB AWE64 support Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org, dstenn@fanfic.org, ache@nagual.pp.ru, luoqi@watermarkgroup.com, (Jordan K. Hubbard) Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 09-Dec-97 Luigi Rizzo wrote: > [moved Cc to -multimedia] > >> > Try the AWE32 driver from http://bahamut.mm.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~iwai/awedrv/, >> > it supports AWE wavetable synth. Driver in -current only supports FM synth >> > which sounds really pathetic. Maybe we should commit this new driver, I >> > have >> > been running it with -stable for month without any problem. >> >> Sounds good to me. I assume that Amancio and Luigi are still the >> "point men" on the sound driver these days? > > I think -- may be wrong -- that Randall imported the awe support this > summer, and the relevant bits are probably already in guspnp (thus in > -current). Then it might well be that by default /dev/synth uses the FM > synth instead of the wavetable, but that should be trivial to fix. Before committing this, someone needs to take a look at the memory probe. I recently added the 24 meg memory module to my AWE 64, but only the original 512K is detected at startup (which is odd, considering that with the "value" AWE 64, this original memory is supposed to be disabled/replaced by the module's memory). Sfxload will not load the larger (for example, 8 meg GM) sound fonts, either. -- Conrad Sabatier http://www.neosoft.com/~conrads From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Dec 14 09:43:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA21908 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 09:43:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA21888 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 09:43:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA01929; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:17:21 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199712141617.RAA01929@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) To: pete@sms.fi (Petri Helenius) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:17:20 +0100 (MET) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, don@partsnow.com, tristan@mpegtv.com In-Reply-To: <199712141638.SAA28871@silver.sms.fi> from "Petri Helenius" at Dec 14, 97 06:37:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > The of course move a couple of meters away from your screen :) > > > Yes. I've been looking at the TV-out cards but haven't decided on any > of them yet. However since my TV has RGB input, would anyone know if i don't like them much, plus some of them tend to reprogram the video card so they might not work well with XFree. > XFree can be tuned to small enough resolution with interlacing to be > displayed on the TV? you can always try -- hack up some more for interlaced output, 15625Hz oriz. frequency, 50Hz vertical, and try to provide composite sync on the green channel... The only problem is, your monitor might suffer in this case. I don't think they can go as low as 15625Hz of horiz. frequency. Luigi From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Dec 14 10:30:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA25872 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:30:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from didda.est.is (ppp-44.est.is [194.144.208.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25723 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:28:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from totii@est.is) Received: from est.is (didda.est.is [192.168.255.1]) by didda.est.is (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA20042; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:27:32 GMT (envelope-from totii@est.is) Message-ID: <34942513.A204D0FE@est.is> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:27:31 +0000 From: "Þorður Ivarsson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Petri Helenius CC: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) References: <199712141206.EAA11703@rah.star-gate.com> <199712141409.PAA01772@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <199712141638.SAA28871@silver.sms.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Petri Helenius wrote: > > Luigi Rizzo writes: > > > The full screen playback is a low level X thingie and either we will > > ... > > > > hardware than similar function performed under Win95. I only wish we > > > > could get full screen operation for mtv in the future (Tristan?) > > > > What I usually do in this case is to have a small-resolution mode in > > XF86Config (e.g. 400x300 etc.) so when I want to see full screen video > > (with tv/fxtv/vic at least) I switch video mode (with CTRL_ALT-+) to > > one matching the size of the window I want to watch. > > Yes, my question would be can this be done from the application? That > is run a "fullscreen.c" and then it would do this trick and fire up > MPEG-TV or whatever. > > > > The of course move a couple of meters away from your screen :) > > > Yes. I've been looking at the TV-out cards but haven't decided on any > of them yet. However since my TV has RGB input, would anyone know if > XFree can be tuned to small enough resolution with interlacing to be > displayed on the TV? > > Pete As far I know the scan frequency of all cards exept (good old) cga card are lot to high above that most TV sets can handle -- Þórður Ívarsson Thordur Ivarsson Rafeindavirki Electronic technician Norðurgötu 30 Nordurgotu 30 Box 309 Box 309 602 Akureyri 602 Akureyri Ísland Iceland --------------------------------------------- FreeBSD has good features, Some others are full of unwanted features! --------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Dec 14 12:13:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA06059 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 12:13:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from u2.farm.idt.net (root@u2.farm.idt.net [169.132.8.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA06053 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 12:12:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from garycorc@idt.net) Received: from idt.net (ppp-53.ts-1.mlb.idt.net [169.132.71.53]) by u2.farm.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12016; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:12:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34943D6D.29CF53C5@idt.net> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:11:25 -0500 From: "Gary T. Corcoran" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Þorður Ivarsson" CC: Petri Helenius , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) References: <199712141206.EAA11703@rah.star-gate.com> <199712141409.PAA01772@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <199712141638.SAA28871@silver.sms.fi> <34942513.A204D0FE@est.is> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Þorður Ivarsson wrote: > > Petri Helenius wrote: > > Yes. I've been looking at the TV-out cards but haven't decided on any > > of them yet. However since my TV has RGB input, would anyone know if > > XFree can be tuned to small enough resolution with interlacing to be > > displayed on the TV? > > As far I know the scan frequency of all cards exept (good old) cga card > are lot to high above that most TV sets can handle > The TV-out cards usually have a mode that puts out 640x480 at 60Hz, and modern TVs seem to handle that fine. Some also have an option to put the TV signal out at 800x600 at 60Hz, which the big (~35 inch) TVs can often handle too. All the systems I've tried using this have been Win95 systems, (no - can't put FreeBSD on them... ;-) so I don't know for sure that it will work with XFree, but given that it'll work with a 640x480 screen (with the appropriate settings), it should be possible... Gary From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Dec 14 12:16:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA06359 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 12:16:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA06352 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 12:16:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA02180; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 19:50:14 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199712141850.TAA02180@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) To: totii@est.is (Þorður Ivarsson) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 19:50:13 +0100 (MET) Cc: pete@sms.fi, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <34942513.A204D0FE@est.is> from "Þorður Ivarsson" at Dec 14, 97 06:27:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > What I usually do in this case is to have a small-resolution mode in > > > XF86Config (e.g. 400x300 etc.) so when I want to see full screen vid= ... > > Yes. I've been looking at the TV-out cards but haven't decided on any > > of them yet. However since my TV has RGB input, would anyone know if ... > As far I know the scan frequency of all cards exept (good old) cga card > are lot to high above that most TV sets can handle Not sure about the details (which might be a pure invention of mine) but I believe that some tv converters run the card at 31.5KHz horiz frequency, and have an internal one-line buffer. They play every second line at half speed from the buffer, alternating between even and odd on each frame. Since 31.5KHz is supported by monitors, you don't break them, and can still adapt to the standard TV screen. Difficulty may arise since 50Hz vertical freqyency is a bit on the low side for normal PC monitors... Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Dec 14 13:11:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA10984 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 13:11:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from silver.sms.fi (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA10960 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 13:10:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pete@silver.sms.fi) Received: (from pete@localhost) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.8/8.7.3) id XAA29262; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:10:02 +0200 (EET) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:10:02 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199712142110.XAA29262@silver.sms.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Petri Helenius To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, don@partsnow.com, tristan@mpegtv.com Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) In-Reply-To: <199712141617.RAA01929@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> References: <199712141638.SAA28871@silver.sms.fi> <199712141617.RAA01929@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Luigi Rizzo writes: > > XFree can be tuned to small enough resolution with interlacing to be > > displayed on the TV? > > you can always try -- hack up some more for interlaced output, 15625Hz > oriz. frequency, 50Hz vertical, and try to provide composite sync on > the green channel... I'm clear with the first two ones (though my TV goes up to 60Hz since it does NTSC also) but how do I provide the composite sync on the green channel? My card is Diamond Stealth but I can also put in Matrox Mystique... > > The only problem is, your monitor might suffer in this case. > I don't think they can go as low as 15625Hz of horiz. frequency. > I used to have one that could go that low but I sold it off about a year ago. But I can always try with the TV set :-) Pete From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Dec 14 14:16:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA15473 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:16:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA15446 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:16:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from searle+lon@longacre.demon.co.uk) Received: from longacre.demon.co.uk ([158.152.156.24]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2013173; 14 Dec 97 22:13 GMT From: Michael Searle Message-ID: To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) References: <199712141850.TAA02180@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:48:11 GMT X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Luigi Rizzo wrote: >>>> What I usually do in this case is to have a small-resolution mode in >>>> XF86Config (e.g. 400x300 etc.) so when I want to see full screen vid= > ... >>> Yes. I've been looking at the TV-out cards but haven't decided on any >>> of them yet. However since my TV has RGB input, would anyone know if > ... >> As far I know the scan frequency of all cards exept (good old) cga card >> are lot to high above that most TV sets can handle > Not sure about the details (which might be a pure invention of mine) but > I believe that some tv converters run the card at 31.5KHz horiz > frequency, and have an internal one-line buffer. They play every second > line at half speed from the buffer, alternating between even and odd on > each frame. > Since 31.5KHz is supported by monitors, you don't break them, and can > still adapt to the standard TV screen. Difficulty may arise since 50Hz > vertical freqyency is a bit on the low side for normal PC monitors... It's probably OK, at least on my monitor the lower the resolution, the lower the vertical frequency needs to be. At 1152x864 it gets flickery below 68-70Hz, while 800x600 looks OK at 56Hz. (It can sync down to 40Hz) BTW, there are VGA/SVGA monitors that go down to 15.625kHz. They are usually old ones though (eg NEC 3D, NEC MultiSync I/II) -- Michael Searle - csubl@csv.warwick.ac.uk From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Dec 14 14:24:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA15960 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:24:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA15949 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:24:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01374; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:24:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199712142224.OAA01374@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: pete@sms.fi (Petri Helenius), multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, don@partsnow.com, tristan@mpegtv.com Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:32:57 +0100." <199712142032.VAA02348@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:24:16 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Guys, Whats wrong with the current crop of vga to PAL converters? A simple net search with infoseek : VGA to PAL , yields several good leads . So the question is are any of them any good? I own an aitech vga to ntsc converter which is great for watching movies on my TV. My cheap converter only does 640x480. Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Dec 14 14:27:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA16225 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:27:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA16218 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:27:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01419; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:27:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199712142227.OAA01419@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: pete@sms.fi (Petri Helenius), multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, don@partsnow.com, tristan@mpegtv.com Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:32:57 +0100." <199712142032.VAA02348@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:27:39 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At the rate that we are going we will need FreeBSD TV repair men 8) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Dec 14 14:56:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA18544 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:56:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA18532 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:56:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id VAA02348; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:32:57 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199712142032.VAA02348@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) To: pete@sms.fi (Petri Helenius) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:32:57 +0100 (MET) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, don@partsnow.com, tristan@mpegtv.com In-Reply-To: <199712142110.XAA29262@silver.sms.fi> from "Petri Helenius" at Dec 14, 97 11:09:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm clear with the first two ones (though my TV goes up to 60Hz since > it does NTSC also) but how do I provide the composite sync on the > green channel? My card is Diamond Stealth but I can also put in Matrox no idea, maybe some additional mode specifier in XF86Config... or you can always hack up something with a transistor and a couple of diodes... after all you have to build a cable from the VGA output to the RGB (SCART ?) connector on your TV An oscilloscope would also help... luigi From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Dec 14 18:25:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA07681 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:25:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from arg1.demon.co.uk (arg1.demon.co.uk [194.222.34.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA07675 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:25:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arg@arg1.demon.co.uk) Received: (from root@localhost) by arg1.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA10070; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 02:25:50 GMT Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 02:25:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Gordon X-Sender: root@server.arg.sj.co.uk To: Petri Helenius cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) In-Reply-To: <199712141638.SAA28871@silver.sms.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 14 Dec 1997, Petri Helenius wrote: > Luigi Rizzo writes: > > What I usually do in this case is to have a small-resolution mode in > > XF86Config (e.g. 400x300 etc.) so when I want to see full screen video > > (with tv/fxtv/vic at least) I switch video mode (with CTRL_ALT-+) to > > one matching the size of the window I want to watch. > > Yes, my question would be can this be done from the application? That > is run a "fullscreen.c" and then it would do this trick and fire up > MPEG-TV or whatever. fxtv appears to be able to do this - I haven't investigated how it does it. > > > > The of course move a couple of meters away from your screen :) > > > Yes. I've been looking at the TV-out cards but haven't decided on any > of them yet. However since my TV has RGB input, would anyone know if > XFree can be tuned to small enough resolution with interlacing to be > displayed on the TV? I have used the following XF86Config entry with a TV-frequency (fixed frequency, about 20 years old!) monitor: Section "Monitor" Identifier "Primary Monitor" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName "TV-Freq" HorizSync 15.62 VertRefresh 50-55 # 480x300 @ 72 Hz, 48.0 kHz hsync Modeline "480x480" 19.5 960 1008 1168 1248 480 491 493 625 Interlace Composite Modeline "480x256" 19.5 960 1008 1168 1248 256 280 285 312 Composite EndSection The picture quality was very poor, but I believe this was a problem with the voltage levels required by this particular monitor; there was certainly no problem with sync. Sometime I will get around to building some buffer boards: this monitor has separate horiz/vertical sync inputs, but needs 5V levels on the R/G/B lines. I believe my TV's SCART connector is compatible with VGA output levels on the R/G/B, but it needs composite sync - so either way a small amount of external circuitry is required. From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Dec 14 20:05:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA16175 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:05:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from uranium.nb.net (uranium.nb.net [207.113.179.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA16170 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:05:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from maxk@nb.net) Received: from diamond (maxk@diamond.nb.net [207.113.179.26]) by uranium.nb.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA01214 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:04:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:05:10 -0500 (EST) From: Max A Krinberg X-Sender: maxk@diamond To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: midi does not play (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am asking for help with playing midi files. I could get .wav files to play no problem. issuing comand: playmidi -f filename.mid acts like playing, but nothing comes out of speakers. Here is kernel output, I am using AWE SB32. Also I could not get FreeBSD 2.2.2 to recognize AWE. added line: "device awe0 at isa? port 0x620" did not work. sb0 at 0x220 irq 10 drq 3 on isa sb0: sbxvi0 at 0x0 drq 5 on isa sbxvi0: opl0 at 0x388 on isa opl0: sbmidi0 at 0x300 on isa joy0 at 0x201 on isa joy0: joystick changing root device to sd0a Thanks in advance, --Max A Krinberg maxk@nb.net From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Dec 14 23:06:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA28384 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:06:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from smtp.creative.net (cybere.creative.net [207.137.200.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA28379 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:06:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tristan@mpegtv.com) Received: from tristan (port25.creative.net [207.137.201.25]) by smtp.creative.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA10305; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:04:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3494D55D.37B39EDA@mpegtv.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:01:14 -0800 From: Tristan Savatier Organization: MpegTV, http://www.mpegtv.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amancio Hasty CC: Petri Helenius , Luigi Rizzo , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, don@partsnow.com Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) References: <199712141206.EAA11703@rah.star-gate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Luigi Rizzo writes: > > > > controller and helping Petri for an rtp to mtv glue logic. > > > > > > this is a very interesting project. > > > > Yes, I'm not sure how much you cut off from Amancio's email, I'll > > expand a little. The idea is that you run this like: > > mrtp VVV.VVV.VVV.VVV/video_port AAA.AAA.AAA.AAA/audio_port | mtv - > > > > And it will play a MPEG AV stream off the network, with A/V > > synchronization at the playback. You can do something a bit more efficient by developing an SII plug-in (Stream Input Interface). This way you avoid the copies in the pipe. > The problem this addresses is that > > the usual case is that we have two RTP streams in the network which > > must be multiplexed together to an ISO MPEG system stream. Yes. At the present mtvp does not provide a way to feed the elementary streams. This is not that simple to do that, because of the need to also give some timing/ synchronization infos (like PTS = Presentation Time Stamps). Maybe some day... > Amancio is > > doing the system stream generation and I've put together a single > > stream RTP decoder so far which works like this: > > mrtp VVV.VVV.VVV.VVV/video_port | mtv - > > > > And you'll get the video off the network. Or: > > mrtp AAA.AAA.AAA.AAA/audio_port | mpg123-m - > > > > And you'll have a MPEG-audio net radio. Yes but no sync between both... [snip] > > Also, I observed that mtv is about 20-35% more performant on the same > > hardware than similar function performed under Win95. I only wish we > > could get full screen operation for mtv in the future (Tristan?) Full-screen or zooming is very inefficient when done by software. It must be done by hardware. The problem is that X, unlike Windows, does not have an API to do that. Windows has directDraw, and when hardware acceleration is available, the library takes advantage of it. The closest think to that with X are foundation libraries like Sun's XIL (Sun Imaging Library) or OpenGL for the 3D. The problem is that XIL is currently available only on Sun. They are talking of porting it of other Unix systems including Linux, but nothing is available. It would be stupid to implement in each application some code particular to each graphic processor to do the very same basic things (zooming, YUV to RGB etc). This must be provided at the system level i.e. X extensions or foundation graphic libraries on top of X, like XIL or OpenGL, that must in fact use some X extensions to speedup some operations. I will probably use XIL when available (it will speed things up on Sun systems). Amancio Hasty wrote: > > The full screen playback is a low level X thingie and either we will > have to implement it or ask the XFree86 team to do it . IMHO it should not be specific to XFree86. It should be standardized on all X systems, like the shared memory extension for example. XIL looks like a good candidate. I don't know what are the licensing and legal aspect of implementing it, though. > On one of my contracts I did hardware assist fax decompression so > I sort of have an idea on how to do full screen playback. > At the low level it requires storing the image in yuv format in the off > display region then doing yuv to color expansion to the display region > and I believe vga controllers are also capable of doing dma yuv to color > display directly to the display region -- the latter one I am not too > sure however I have the specs for my S3 968 laying around so I can > check on this later on. Of course most modern graphic controlers are capable of doing that, and microsoft people seem to be smarter than Unix people and have been using it and provided easy way to use it with the win32 API. X is just a few years late... > BTW: if we implement yuv to color expansion vic can also benefit or > for that matter h.261 and h.263 playback. Of course... Note that YUV to RGB is more tricky than it looks, because there are several incompatible standards to do this conversion, using different matric coefficients. Colors look off is the wrong matrix is used. > > Now if a mechanism for doing yuv to color is created , getting Tristan > to use it is a different matter 8) > > Enjoy, > Amancio When it will be a standardized extension of X, I will use it. As I say, I plan to use XIL. But I want to interface with an API, not to write directly in some registers of a perticular controlers. That's not a good thing for applications to do. Regards, -- Tristan Savatier (President, MpegTV LLC) MpegTV: http://www.mpegtv.com From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Dec 15 00:18:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA04244 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:18:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA04212 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:18:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00360; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:18:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199712150818.AAA00360@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Tristan Savatier cc: Petri Helenius , Luigi Rizzo , multimedia@freebsd.org, don@partsnow.com Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:01:14 PST." <3494D55D.37B39EDA@mpegtv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:18:35 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, just talk to XFree86 people to see if they can help us out for sure they have docs for doing the yuv to rgb stuff on the vga controllers and it has not been years seen win95 have been enjoying and fully exploiting directx for video playback in fact directx and active movie is a moving target. As for XIL vs whatever is irrelevant at this point given that XIL is not a standard. The best that we can do is provide an XFree86 . I have no desire to be dealing with Sun, SGI , HP , etc... Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Dec 15 00:30:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA05570 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:30:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from smtp.creative.net (cybere.creative.net [207.137.200.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA05562 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:30:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tristan@mpegtv.com) Received: from tristan (port8.creative.net [207.137.201.8]) by smtp.creative.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA13095; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:28:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3494E991.44EE00FC@mpegtv.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:25:53 -0800 From: Tristan Savatier Organization: MpegTV, http://www.mpegtv.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amancio Hasty CC: Petri Helenius , Luigi Rizzo , multimedia@freebsd.org, don@partsnow.com Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) References: <199712150818.AAA00360@rah.star-gate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Well, just talk to XFree86 people to see if they can help us out for > sure they have docs for doing the yuv to rgb stuff on the vga controllers > and it has not been years seen win95 have been enjoying and fully > exploiting directx for video playback in fact directx and active movie > is a moving target. > > As for XIL vs whatever is irrelevant at this point given that XIL is > not a standard. > > The best that we can do is provide an XFree86 . I have no desire to > be dealing with Sun, SGI , HP , etc... I understand, but I have no desire to interface with proprietary API on each platforms either. I am really happy that X exist, and is (almost) the same on every unix system. Look at what happens for audio: there are different APIs for Sun, HP, SGI, Linux (OSS), etc... There is no standard (the closest from one is OSS). I had to implement a different audio interface for all those systems! total waste of time and efforts. Doing this type of thing is a pain for developers, and that's what killing Unix. I don't want to do the same with Video. The only propper way is to extend X in a standard way and that the extension be supported by all the Unix vendors. This way, Unix may be "saved" from Microsoft. Unfortunately Unix vendors seems to be more interested to move to WinNT (or Java) than to make Unix survive (look at Sun, HP, SGI !). Looks like they don't give a shit. -t From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Dec 15 00:45:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA06792 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:45:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA06777 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:45:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00518; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:44:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199712150844.AAA00518@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Tristan Savatier cc: Petri Helenius , Luigi Rizzo , multimedia@freebsd.org, don@partsnow.com Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:25:53 PST." <3494E991.44EE00FC@mpegtv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:44:34 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk XIE is supposed to provide a general image plus conversion facility as to if I can get different vendors to accelerate XIE is a different story. Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Dec 15 00:51:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA07615 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:51:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from smtp.creative.net (cybere.creative.net [207.137.200.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA07604 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:51:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tristan@mpegtv.com) Received: from tristan (port8.creative.net [207.137.201.8]) by smtp.creative.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA13600; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:49:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3494EE64.61EA8711@mpegtv.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:46:28 -0800 From: Tristan Savatier Organization: MpegTV, http://www.mpegtv.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amancio Hasty CC: Petri Helenius , Luigi Rizzo , multimedia@freebsd.org, don@partsnow.com Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) References: <199712150844.AAA00518@rah.star-gate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty wrote: > > XIE is supposed to provide a general image plus conversion facility as > to if I can get different vendors to accelerate XIE is a different > story. What's XIE ? Is that like XIL ? By the way, another point: Microsoft is already working on an API that takes interlaced into consideration. They do that because it becomes possible to implement MPEG-2 (DVD) in software, using MMX and some hardware acceleration. Unix has accumulated a considerable retard with regard to multimedia APIs, and I don't see how it can recover from that, really... I still love Linux, but like everyone else, I'll be moving to the MS platform to make $$$$. -t From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Dec 15 00:52:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA07775 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:52:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA07725 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:52:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00582; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:51:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199712150851.AAA00582@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Tristan Savatier cc: Petri Helenius , Luigi Rizzo , multimedia@freebsd.org, don@partsnow.com Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:01:14 PST." <3494D55D.37B39EDA@mpegtv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:51:49 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > mrtp AAA.AAA.AAA.AAA/audio_port | mpg123-m - > > > > > > And you'll have a MPEG-audio net radio. > > Yes but no sync between both... > > [snip] > Will see if they are going to be synchronized or not they are not supposed to synchronized. Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Dec 15 01:00:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA08706 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:00:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA08699 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:00:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00631; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:59:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199712150859.AAA00631@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Tristan Savatier cc: Petri Helenius , Luigi Rizzo , multimedia@freebsd.org, don@partsnow.com Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:46:28 PST." <3494EE64.61EA8711@mpegtv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:59:51 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > XIE is supposed to provide a general image plus conversion facility as > > to if I can get different vendors to accelerate XIE is a different > > story. > > What's XIE ? Is that like XIL ? X Imaging extensions. > By the way, another point: Microsoft is already working on an API > that takes interlaced into consideration. They do that because > it becomes possible to implement MPEG-2 (DVD) in software, using > MMX and some hardware acceleration. You probably need a PII 300Mhz to do that and then your PC can only do that . In six months it should be more viable with the next round of hardware upgrade from Intel : 400Mhz CPUs, 100Mhz bus, faster ram, AGP port. BTW: I am MSDN (Microsoft Developer's Network) subscriber and have hacked together a high speed bt848 driver for Win85 because at the time win95 didn't support multiple video capture boards something trivial for FreeBSD. > Unix has accumulated a considerable retard with regard to > multimedia APIs, and I don't see how it can recover from that, > really... With Linux, FreeBSD, OSS and XFree86 it can recover. The issue with the traditional workstation is cost both of software and hardware which we can drive down with PC platforms. > I still love Linux, but like everyone else, I'll be moving > to the MS platform to make $$$$. > We are not hacking on FreeBSD for $$$. Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Dec 15 01:13:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA09936 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:13:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from silver.sms.fi (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA09929 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:13:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pete@silver.sms.fi) Received: (from pete@localhost) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.8/8.7.3) id LAA00537; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:13:13 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:13:13 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199712150913.LAA00537@silver.sms.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Petri Helenius To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Luigi Rizzo , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, don@partsnow.com, tristan@mpegtv.com Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) In-Reply-To: <199712142227.OAA01419@rah.star-gate.com> References: <199712142032.VAA02348@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <199712142227.OAA01419@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty writes: > > At the rate that we are going we will need FreeBSD TV repair men 8) > A friend of mine knows his way around both FreeBSD and TV's so (in addition of the help in conversion) I would guess he might be willing to travel to you, if you pay for his trip :-) Pete From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Dec 15 01:14:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA10042 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:14:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from smtp.creative.net (cybere.creative.net [207.137.200.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA10030 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:14:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tristan@mpegtv.com) Received: from tristan (port8.creative.net [207.137.201.8]) by smtp.creative.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA14036; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:11:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3494F3B0.5AB588E4@mpegtv.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:09:04 -0800 From: Tristan Savatier Organization: MpegTV, http://www.mpegtv.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amancio Hasty CC: Petri Helenius , Luigi Rizzo , multimedia@freebsd.org, don@partsnow.com Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) References: <199712150859.AAA00631@rah.star-gate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > > XIE is supposed to provide a general image plus conversion facility as > > > to if I can get different vendors to accelerate XIE is a different > > > story. > > > > What's XIE ? Is that like XIL ? > > X Imaging extensions. > > > By the way, another point: Microsoft is already working on an API > > that takes interlaced into consideration. They do that because > > it becomes possible to implement MPEG-2 (DVD) in software, using > > MMX and some hardware acceleration. > > You probably need a PII 300Mhz to do that and then your PC > can only do that . At comdex, I have seem the Compcore DVD player run at 22 Frames/sec on a P200 with a graphic card that does hardware MCP, YUV->RGB and Zoom. (Note: MCP = Motion Compensation). > With Linux, FreeBSD, OSS and XFree86 it can recover. Possible, but all the money that my company sees comes from people running Solaris or HP, unfortunately. I have seem no revenue at all from the Linux market, except a few dollar per month from shareware. With Solaris, HP etc, people are ready to pay tens of thousand of dollars to get some multimedia technology. > The issue > with the traditional workstation is cost both of software and hardware > which we can drive down with PC platforms. Yes, but the FBI, the CIA, NASA, and all the other big Unix corporate customers don't run Linux too much... > We are not hacking on FreeBSD for $$$. Good for you. I have passed the age where I was doing that just for fun. Now I work only for fun + $$$$. And I mean real $$$$, not just enough to pay my rent. -t From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Dec 15 01:18:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA10416 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:18:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA10395; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:17:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00815; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:17:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199712150917.BAA00815@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: multimedia@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: glquake, glguake world and quake server work 8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:17:49 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Due to Pierre Beyssac recent bug fixes to the socket layer on FreeBSD 3.0 -current , glquake and quake2 now work on FreeBS 3.0 -current with no specific hacks like I had in the linux layer. Additionally, Mike Smith checked in my mods to the linux layer . Whats left is for me or someone (hint) to generate a Mesa/Glide package and glquake, glquake world, and quake server package. You may have to wait 8 hours or so till all the commits get propagated. I have updated my ftp://rah.star-gate.com/README.GLQUAKE to reflect the recent updates. Basically, for 3.0-current users the steps to allow glquake to run have been reduced to installing my version of svgalib for linux and compiling/installing Mesa (for linux) in your system. Okay, whats so great about glquake --- well not much other than if you have a Voodoo chipset board such as a Diamond Monster 3d you can play Quake with 3d hardware assist on your FreeBSD box. Also, GLQuake clearly paves the way for 3d hardware assist on FreeBSD. Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Dec 15 01:29:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA11589 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:29:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA11577 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:29:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00905; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:28:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199712150928.BAA00905@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Tristan Savatier cc: Petri Helenius , Luigi Rizzo , multimedia@freebsd.org, don@partsnow.com Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:09:04 PST." <3494F3B0.5AB588E4@mpegtv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:28:57 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > We are not hacking on FreeBSD for $$$. > > Good for you. I have passed the age where I was doing that > just for fun. Now I work only for fun + $$$$. And I mean > real $$$$, not just enough to pay my rent. > Oops, I am 42 years old and I do make a living as a software consultant. Additionally, I have more than 20 years of experience as a programmer. So I hack for fun at night and make a living during the day . Some of the projects that I have been involved are in terms of millions of dollars. It sounds like this is your first start-up and I really wish you the best! Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Dec 15 01:49:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA12930 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:49:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA12922 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:49:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01022; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:49:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199712150949.BAA01022@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: tristan@mpegtv.com cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Fxtv and Bt848 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 01:49:01 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It is starting to look from over here that your favorite customers is going to be FreeBSD because of Fxtv funtionality to generate system mpeg streams. I hope with the next rev level for Fxtv that we will finally support yuv if it does we will be able to easily generate a 1/2 hour worth mpeg movies 8) Not sure if Linux has a program similar to Fxtv's functionality and versatility. Best Regards, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Dec 15 05:17:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA26248 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 05:17:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from didda.est.is (ppp-22.est.is [194.144.208.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA26228 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 05:16:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from totii@est.is) Received: from est.is (didda.est.is [192.168.255.1]) by didda.est.is (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA01149; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:15:01 GMT (envelope-from totii@est.is) Message-ID: <34952D55.11184A6C@est.is> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:15:01 +0000 From: "Þorður Ivarsson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amancio Hasty CC: Luigi Rizzo , Petri Helenius , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, don@partsnow.com, tristan@mpegtv.com Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) References: <199712142227.OAA01419@rah.star-gate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty wrote: > > At the rate that we are going we will need FreeBSD TV repair men 8) > > Cheers, > Amancio I am trying to follow you :) -- Þórður Ívarsson Thordur Ivarsson --------------------- Rafeindavirki Electronic technician = TV repair man :) --------------------- Norðurgötu 30 Nordurgotu 30 Box 309 Box 309 602 Akureyri 602 Akureyri Ísland Iceland --------------------------------------------- FreeBSD has good features, Some others are full of unwanted features! --------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Dec 15 05:19:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA26421 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 05:19:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from didda.est.is (ppp-22.est.is [194.144.208.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA26383 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 05:19:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from totii@est.is) Received: from est.is (didda.est.is [192.168.255.1]) by didda.est.is (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA01161; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:18:43 GMT (envelope-from totii@est.is) Message-ID: <34952E32.3DF43A62@est.is> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:18:42 +0000 From: "Þorður Ivarsson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Petri Helenius CC: Amancio Hasty , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) References: <199712142032.VAA02348@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <199712142227.OAA01419@rah.star-gate.com> <199712150913.LAA00537@silver.sms.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Petri Helenius wrote: > > Amancio Hasty writes: > > > > At the rate that we are going we will need FreeBSD TV repair men 8) > > > A friend of mine knows his way around both FreeBSD and TV's so (in > addition of the help in conversion) I would guess he might be willing > to travel to you, if you pay for his trip :-) > > Pete Why not me ? I am sitting between you! -- Þórður Ívarsson Thordur Ivarsson Rafeindavirki Electronic technician Norðurgötu 30 Nordurgotu 30 Box 309 Box 309 602 Akureyri 602 Akureyri Ísland Iceland --------------------------------------------- FreeBSD has good features, Some others are full of unwanted features! --------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Dec 15 06:24:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA01321 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 06:24:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from didda.est.is (ppp-22.est.is [194.144.208.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA01307 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 06:24:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from totii@est.is) Received: from est.is (didda.est.is [192.168.255.1]) by didda.est.is (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA01299; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:22:54 GMT (envelope-from totii@est.is) Message-ID: <34953D3D.23124980@est.is> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:22:53 +0000 From: "Þorður Ivarsson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amancio Hasty CC: Petri Helenius , Luigi Rizzo , "don@PartsNow.com" , "multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) References: <199712142227.OAA01419@rah.star-gate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty wrote: > > At the rate that we are going we will need FreeBSD TV repair men 8) > > Cheers, > Amancio European TV sets - generic data Video BandWidth = 5MHz Vertical scan = 50Hz - 25 frames per second / 50 halfs interleaved Horzontal scan = 15625Hz horizontal lines = 15625/50 = 312,5 correct is ca 280 lines vertical lines = 5MHz/15625 = 320 correct is ca 300 lines Normal composite video input needs 1V peek to peek Normal RGB input needs 1V peek to peek VGA monitors use 0.7V peek to peek on RGB input and TTL level for sync Please correct information if you know better -- Þórður Ívarsson Thordur Ivarsson Rafeindavirki Electronic technician Norðurgötu 30 Nordurgotu 30 Box 309 Box 309 602 Akureyri 602 Akureyri Ísland Iceland --------------------------------------------- FreeBSD has good features, Some others are full of unwanted features! --------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Dec 15 10:03:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA19368 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:03:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from wakko.visint.co.uk (wakko.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA19297; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:02:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@visint.co.uk) Received: from dylan.visint.co.uk (dylan.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.180]) by wakko.visint.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA20596; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:02:31 GMT Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:03:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Roome To: Amancio Hasty cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: glquake, glguake world and quake server work 8) In-Reply-To: <199712150917.BAA00815@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Whats left is for me or someone (hint) to generate a Mesa/Glide package > and glquake, glquake world, and quake server package. Quake II (release not test)? Any chance of getting that to work, or does it already .. is there a Linux binary even ? > Okay, whats so great about glquake --- well not much other than if you > have a Voodoo chipset board such as a Diamond Monster 3d you can play > Quake with 3d hardware assist on your FreeBSD box. Also, GLQuake clearly > paves the way for 3d hardware assist on FreeBSD. Actually, I compiled all the stuff as suggested with the previous README.GLQUAKE, however I noticed that some of the testXX programs which come with glide just bombed my 3d card out (it's a guillemot Maxi Gamer 3D). Wondered if anyone else had this problem? Steve. -- Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd. Tel:+44(0)117 9730597 Home:+44(0)976 241342 WWW: http://dylan.visint.co.uk/ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Dec 15 10:28:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA22313 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:28:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA22280; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:27:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01898; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:27:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199712151827.KAA01898@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Stephen Roome cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: glquake, glguake world and quake server work 8) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:03:06 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:27:26 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Whats left is for me or someone (hint) to generate a Mesa/Glide package > > and glquake, glquake world, and quake server package. > > Quake II (release not test)? Any chance of getting that to work, or does > it already .. is there a Linux binary even ? Quake II test works however there is no Quake II release yet for linux when Quake II for linux is released I will be happy to make it work for FreeBSD provided that it does not work on FreeBSD. > > > Okay, whats so great about glquake --- well not much other than if you > > have a Voodoo chipset board such as a Diamond Monster 3d you can play > > Quake with 3d hardware assist on your FreeBSD box. Also, GLQuake clearly > > paves the way for 3d hardware assist on FreeBSD. > > Actually, I compiled all the stuff as suggested with the previous > README.GLQUAKE, however I noticed that some of the testXX programs which > come with glide just bombed my 3d card out (it's a guillemot Maxi Gamer > 3D). Wondered if anyone else had this problem? > Which tests are failing for you? Some of the tests are tricky to run because they require a data file and if you happen to run the test in the wrong the directory the test will fail. Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Dec 15 13:46:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA18574 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:46:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from silver.sms.fi (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA18562 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:46:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pete@silver.sms.fi) Received: (from pete@localhost) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.8/8.7.3) id XAA02355; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:45:33 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:45:33 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199712152145.XAA02355@silver.sms.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Petri Helenius To: Tristan Savatier Cc: Amancio Hasty , Luigi Rizzo , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, don@partsnow.com Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) In-Reply-To: <3494EE64.61EA8711@mpegtv.com> References: <199712150844.AAA00518@rah.star-gate.com> <3494EE64.61EA8711@mpegtv.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tristan Savatier writes: > > I still love Linux, but like everyone else, I'll be moving > to the MS platform to make $$$$. > I wonder how one makes $$$$ off programming to MS platforms unless they are working for MS where one gets stock options which usually make good money in couple of years. I would say programming for OS's where the OS vendor itself is not going to eat your business is a better option in most cases. Pete From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Dec 15 14:00:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA19688 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:00:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from silver.sms.fi (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA19682 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:00:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pete@silver.sms.fi) Received: (from pete@localhost) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.8/8.7.3) id AAA02412; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:00:22 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:00:22 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199712152200.AAA02412@silver.sms.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Petri Helenius To: Tristan Savatier Cc: Amancio Hasty , Luigi Rizzo , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, don@partsnow.com Subject: Re: RTP tools (was: Re: Remote and Voice control) In-Reply-To: <3494D55D.37B39EDA@mpegtv.com> References: <199712141206.EAA11703@rah.star-gate.com> <3494D55D.37B39EDA@mpegtv.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tristan Savatier writes: > > > And it will play a MPEG AV stream off the network, with A/V > > > synchronization at the playback. > > You can do something a bit more efficient by developing an SII > plug-in (Stream Input Interface). This way you avoid the > copies in the pipe. > The data rate on the pipe is not of major concern. It's only 200 kilobytes per second at maximum. It shouldn't be a major performance hit. Doing it this way would also make the program able to record live data from network and save it as MPEG System stream. > > The problem this addresses is that > > > the usual case is that we have two RTP streams in the network which > > > must be multiplexed together to an ISO MPEG system stream. > > Yes. At the present mtvp does not provide a way to > feed the elementary streams. This is not that simple to > do that, because of the need to also give some timing/ > synchronization infos (like PTS = Presentation > Time Stamps). Maybe some day... > We have the PTS's in RTP header. If the SII would take an ES pack and PTS as input, it would simplify our task greatly. Since this is not the case, there is no added value the SII provides. > Yes but no sync between both... Yes, but you are reading the wrong part of my message. There is a syntax for doing both audio and video at the same time off the network. > > > > Also, I observed that mtv is about 20-35% more performant on the same > > > hardware than similar function performed under Win95. I only wish we > > > could get full screen operation for mtv in the future (Tristan?) > > Full-screen or zooming is very inefficient when done by software. > It must be done by hardware. The problem is that X, unlike Windows, > does not have an API to do that. Windows has directDraw, and > when hardware acceleration is available, the library takes advantage > of it. The closest think to that with X are foundation libraries > like Sun's XIL (Sun Imaging Library) or OpenGL for the 3D. > The problem is that XIL is currently available only on Sun. > They are talking of porting it of other Unix systems including > Linux, but nothing is available. This is true, however one can decrease the actual resolution the screen runs in to a suitable one for MPEG-decode. > Pete From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Dec 17 23:27:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA27047 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:27:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA27041 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:27:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ct.picker.com) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03587; Wed, 17 Dec 97 22:24:49 EST Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA10699; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:24:28 -0500 Message-Id: <19971217222428.27336@ct.picker.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:24:28 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: 3.0-current plug for IDE DMA -- very nice! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Pretty cool. Upgraded to 3.0-current, flipped some config switches, and now we're capturing 30fps 320x240 RGB16 video (w/ full CD-quality audio) to EIDE disk with almost no skips -- and on one disk only! Kudos to John Hood for his IDE DMA patches last summer. If you've got IDEs, want to grab some MPEGs, and aren't running current or a current SNAP right now, let me tell you, this is really the way to go. It blew me away to see it the first time! For those that are interested, on 2.2.1 on my relatively new Western Digital AC34300L 4.3Gig EIDE drive: # dd if=/dev/rwd0 of=/dev/null bs=1m count=200 209715200 bytes transferred in 33.157129 secs (6324890 bytes/sec) ^^^^^^^ Now pop in 3.0-971208-SNAP with wdc flags 0xa0ffa004, and we now get: # dd if=/dev/rwd0 of=/dev/null bs=1m count=200 209715200 bytes transferred in 22.699848 secs (9238617 bytes/sec) ^^^^^^^ That's a pretty "respectable" improvement, IMO. :-) BTW, this is on a P55T2P4 MB w/ P233MMX, 48MB phys w/ 96MB swap. (And to think, this is an UltraDMA drive, and I'm not even using that capability AFAIK.) YUV should speed this up another 25%. We'll see. That and encode streaming are at the top of my list after I get 3.0-current set up better (and play with a few of other -current gadgets I'm now able to run of course). Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Dec 18 03:52:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA12050 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 03:52:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA12045 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 03:52:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA00738; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 06:52:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199712181152.GAA00738@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: 3.0-current plug for IDE DMA -- very nice! In-Reply-To: <19971217222428.27336@ct.picker.com> from Randall Hopper at "Dec 17, 97 10:24:28 pm" To: rhh@ct.picker.com (Randall Hopper) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 06:52:39 -0500 (EST) Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Randall Hopper said: > Now pop in 3.0-971208-SNAP with wdc flags 0xa0ffa004, and we now get: > > # dd if=/dev/rwd0 of=/dev/null bs=1m count=200 > 209715200 bytes transferred in 22.699848 secs (9238617 bytes/sec) > ^^^^^^^ > > That's a pretty "respectable" improvement, IMO. :-) BTW, this is on a > P55T2P4 MB w/ P233MMX, 48MB phys w/ 96MB swap. > Note that the throughput performance isn't as big as the improvement (decrease) in CPU usage. You will have "MEGA" spare cycles to do useful things when going to a IDE DMA or Ultra DMA interface. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Dec 18 09:55:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA08054 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:55:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from waru.life.nthu.edu.tw (waru.life.nthu.edu.tw [140.114.98.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08046 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:55:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from frankch@waru.life.nthu.edu.tw) Received: (from frankch@localhost) by waru.life.nthu.edu.tw (8.8.8/8.8.7) id BAA27371; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:55:18 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <19971219015518.32334@waru.life.nthu.edu.tw> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:55:18 +0800 From: Frank Chen Hsiung Chan To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Ascii mode vgalib? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We got aalib now in the ports tree. FYI, some folks in linux world use this lib to run svgalib apps. They use aavga (which uses aalib) to replace svgalib. and it's claimed to be working for sdoom. Anybody willing to give it a try? I wonder what it would be like to run quake in text mode... -- Frank Chen Hsiung Chan [¸âÂíºµ](BIG5) Department of Life Science http://waru.life.nthu.edu.tw/~frankch/ National Tsing Hua University email: frankch@waru.life.nthu.edu.tw Taiwan From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Dec 18 11:03:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA13900 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:03:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA13890 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:03:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03681; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:02:10 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: picnic.mat.net: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:02:09 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@picnic.mat.net To: Frank Chen Hsiung Chan cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ascii mode vgalib? In-Reply-To: <19971219015518.32334@waru.life.nthu.edu.tw> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id LAA13896 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, Frank Chen Hsiung Chan wrote: > > We got aalib now in the ports tree. > FYI, some folks in linux world use this lib to run > svgalib apps. They use aavga (which uses aalib) to > replace svgalib. and it's claimed to be working for > sdoom. > Anybody willing to give it a try? > I wonder what it would be like to run quake in text > mode... I think if I saw doom running via aalib, it would be 30 minutes before I could stop laughing! I'm not saying it would be bad ... just terribly amusing! > > -- > Frank Chen Hsiung Chan [¸âÂíºµ](BIG5) > Department of Life Science http://waru.life.nthu.edu.tw/~frankch/ > National Tsing Hua University email: frankch@waru.life.nthu.edu.tw > Taiwan > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Dec 18 15:36:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA03142 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:36:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from pobox.com (cpu1136.adsl.bellglobal.com [207.236.110.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA03137 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:35:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brianc@pobox.com) Received: (from brianc@localhost) by pobox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA05516; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:35:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brianc) Message-ID: <19971218183540.63627@pobox.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:35:40 -0500 From: Brian Campbell To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-current plug for IDE DMA -- very nice! Reply-To: bac@sympatico.ca References: <19971217222428.27336@ct.picker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <19971217222428.27336@ct.picker.com>; from Randall Hopper on Wed, Dec 17, 1997 at 10:24:28PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Dec 17, 1997 at 10:24:28PM -0500, Randall Hopper wrote: > Pretty cool. Upgraded to 3.0-current, flipped some config switches, > and now we're capturing 30fps 320x240 RGB16 video (w/ full CD-quality > audio) to EIDE disk with almost no skips -- and on one disk only! > Kudos to John Hood for his IDE DMA patches last summer. > > If you've got IDEs, want to grab some MPEGs, and aren't running > current or a current SNAP right now, let me tell you, this is really the > way to go. It blew me away to see it the first time! > > For those that are interested, on 2.2.1 on my relatively new Western > Digital AC34300L 4.3Gig EIDE drive: > > # dd if=/dev/rwd0 of=/dev/null bs=1m count=200 > 209715200 bytes transferred in 33.157129 secs (6324890 bytes/sec) > ^^^^^^^ > Now pop in 3.0-971208-SNAP with wdc flags 0xa0ffa004, and we now get: > > # dd if=/dev/rwd0 of=/dev/null bs=1m count=200 > 209715200 bytes transferred in 22.699848 secs (9238617 bytes/sec) > ^^^^^^^ You don't need to run -current to get IDE DMA. I've been running John's DMA patches to -stable since this summer and haven't had any problems. It'd be nice if they made it into -stable too ... # time dd if=/dev/rwd0 of=/dev/null bs=1m count=200 209715200 bytes transferred in 28.166086 secs (7445664 bytes/sec) 0.0u 0.3s 0:28.23 1.0% 54+2488k 0+0io 0pf+0w I think your drive is just faster than mine (WDC AC32500H) :-( Although, you probably can get better throughput with PIO > That's a pretty "respectable" improvement, IMO. :-) BTW, this is on a > P55T2P4 MB w/ P233MMX, 48MB phys w/ 96MB swap. This is from a P166 (non-MMX), 64M phys, 128M swap From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Dec 18 16:25:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA05946 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:25:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from pixar.com (pixar.pixar.com [138.72.10.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA05938 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:25:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from markv@pixar.com) Received: from omnipotus.pixar.com (omnipotus.pixar.com [138.72.40.61]) by pixar.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA12817 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by omnipotus.pixar.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xiqFG-00HnvIC; Thu, 18 Dec 97 16:24 PST From: "Mark VandeWettering" Message-Id: <9712181624.ZM6715@omnipotus> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:24:50 -0800 Reply-To: markv@pixar.com X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Simple Frame Capture Code for bt848 Sought. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have really simple software for capturing a single frame from the brooktree device and writing out (for example) a ppm file? The fxtv and dtv source code are a bit convoluted, as is the source code the kernel. It is unclear to me what mechanisms are supported and/or required. Thanks much Mark -- Mark T. VandeWettering Telescope Information (and more) Email: http://www.idle.com/~markv/ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Dec 18 18:29:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA12811 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:29:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA12799 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:29:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA11278; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:28:52 -0200 (EDT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199712190228.AAA11278@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Simple Frame Capture Code for bt848 Sought. In-Reply-To: <9712181624.ZM6715@omnipotus> from Mark VandeWettering at "Dec 18, 97 04:24:50 pm" To: markv@pixar.com Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:28:51 -0200 (EDT) Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Mark VandeWettering) // Does anyone have really simple software for capturing a single // frame from the brooktree device and writing out (for example) a // ppm file? The fxtv and dtv source code are a bit convoluted, as // is the source code the kernel. It is unclear to me what mechanisms // are supported and/or required. I have a small one that I use as a .cgi interface, in a test with a webcam we're doing here. I'll send it to you in private. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Dec 19 00:58:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA04714 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:58:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (root@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de [134.147.176.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA04690 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:58:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from volker.freiburg@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) Received: from bochum.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (volker@zol.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de [134.147.176.24]) by fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA19052; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:58:37 +0100 (MET) To: markv@pixar.com Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Simple Frame Capture Code for bt848 Sought. References: <9712181624.ZM6715@omnipotus> From: Volker Freiburg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: 19 Dec 1997 09:56:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Mark VandeWettering"'s message of Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:24:50 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Mark VandeWettering" writes: > >Does anyone have really simple software for capturing a single >frame from the brooktree device and writing out (for example) a >ppm file? The fxtv and dtv source code are a bit convoluted, as >is the source code the kernel. It is unclear to me what mechanisms >are supported and/or required. > Mark, there is a set of example programs with the Linux port of the meteor driver. Since the bt848 driver is based on the meteor driver, at least the simple examples like "single" and "grab" should do. You can get it from ftp://ftp.rwii.com/pub/linux/system/Meteor/meteor-1.4c.tgz -- Regards, -Volker Freiburg- From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Dec 19 22:30:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA22549 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:30:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from mail.lig.bellsouth.net (mail.lig.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA22544 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:30:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from glenn@bellsouth.net) Received: from gforce.bellsouth.net (host-32-96-78-158.msy.bellsouth.net [32.96.78.158]) by mail.lig.bellsouth.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA10587 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from gforce.bellsouth.net (localhost.bellsouth.net [127.0.0.1]) by gforce.bellsouth.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01279 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:24:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from glenn@gforce.bellsouth.net) Message-Id: <199712200624.AAA01279@gforce.bellsouth.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 From: Glenn Johnson To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Sound problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:24:57 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a Sound Blaster 16 card that works fine. I compiled xpat2 from the ports collection and enabled sound in the src/Imakefile file. I used the X-sound_SUN.o SOUNDOBJECT. Now, everything worked fine with -current 10-22-97-SNAPSHOT but not with the -current 120897-SNAPSHOT. The problem I am seeing is that after a sound is played in xpat2, I hear a high pitched continuous tone emitted from the sound card that can only be stopped by shutting down xpat2. I have not had this problem with any other application, but as I said I did not have the problem at all with a previous snapshot. I hope this is the proper list. Thanks and Happy Holidays! -- Glenn Johnson gljohns@bellsouth.net From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Dec 20 05:57:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA17799 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 05:57:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA17793 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 05:57:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ct.picker.com) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 8:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27840; Sat, 20 Dec 97 08:56:13 EST Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA05479; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 08:55:48 -0500 Message-Id: <19971220085548.47492@ct.picker.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 08:55:48 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: bac@sympatico.ca Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-current plug for IDE DMA -- very nice! References: <19971217222428.27336@ct.picker.com> <19971218183540.63627@pobox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 In-Reply-To: <19971218183540.63627@pobox.com>; from Brian Campbell on Thu, Dec 18, 1997 at 06:35:40PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Campbell: |You don't need to run -current to get IDE DMA. I've been running |John's DMA patches to -stable since this summer and haven't had |any problems. It'd be nice if they made it into -stable too ... IDE DMA wasn't the only reason I upgraded to -current. The number of cool -current features in general (incl. IDE DMA) had finally risen past my risk threshold, enough to chance moving to the 971208 -current SNAP. But right. I saw the -stable patches fly by last summer, but I figured I'd let the kernel developers and those more daring than I beat on them a while before I chanced my file system on them. So far I'm impressed with the stability of this SNAP. A few (very few) small bugs in some sysutils which I've reported, but no showstoppers and no panics/crashes/freezes yet. If anyone else is contemplating a -current switch, you might consider this SNAP. Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Dec 20 12:01:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA09882 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:01:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from pinky.dyn.ml.org (host77-69.airnet.net [209.64.77.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA09784; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:00:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@ninbsdbox.dyn.ml.org) Received: from ninbsdbox.dyn.ml.org (ninbsdbox [10.1.0.7]) by pinky.dyn.ml.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00300; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 13:59:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <349C23AC.350A8E28@ninbsdbox.dyn.ml.org> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 13:59:40 -0600 From: "Kris Kirby, KE4AHR" Reply-To: kris@airnet.net Organization: Absolutely None! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org CC: hackers@freebsd.org, multimedia@freebsd.org, majordomo@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: PnP soundcard init without DOS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe freebsd-chat end I have an OPTi 931 PnP sound card and I am rather tired of rebooting the machine into M$DO$ to get my soundcard working. I would like to know if anyone has a PnP sound card addition to the kernel, or has made one that hasn't been incorporated into the RELEASE. My Soundcard is SB compatible and MSS compatible, depending on how the card setup utility writes it. Thanks -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- A Person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it. -- Kay, in MiB, copyright Sony Pictures Imageworks From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Dec 20 16:41:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA26023 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:41:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA26010 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:41:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ct.picker.com) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06655; Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:40:16 EST Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA06525; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:39:49 -0500 Message-Id: <19971220193949.65419@ct.picker.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:39:49 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: John-Mark Gurney Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: AWE driver ready for -current check-in Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi John-Mark, I just updated the AWE driver and its ports to build on -current (and -stable), and its now prepped and ready for check-in to -current! When you get a minute, I'd sure appeciate it if you would pull it, do a quick build (to check me), and add it into the CVS tree. I don't think it'll take very long. Here's the base URL: http://multiverse.com/~rhh/awedrv/ In particular, grab the driver pkg: http://multiverse.com/~rhh/awedrv/awedrv-0.4.2c-+freebsd.tgz INSTALL.frbsd details what to do, but basically on a 3.0-current system: # mkdir -p /usr/src/sys/gnu/i386/isa/sound # cp *.[ch] to /usr/src/sys/gnu/i386/isa/sound # cd /usr/src # patch < voxware-fbsd30-awe.diff # rm -f /usr/include/machine/soundcard.h # ln -s /usr/src/sys/i386/include/soundcard.h /usr/include/machine Then after a test kernel build, here are the CVS ops needed: UPDATE THESE FILES: sys/i386/conf/files.i386 sys/i386/isa/include/soundcard.h sys/i386/isa/sound/sound_calls.h sys/i386/isa/sound/dev_table.h DELETE THESE FILES: sys/i386/isa/sound/awe_hw.h sys/i386/isa/sound/awe_voice.h sys/i386/isa/sound/awe_wave.c AND ADD THESE FILES: sys/gnu/i386/isa/sound/awe_wave.c sys/gnu/i386/isa/sound/awe_voice.h sys/gnu/i386/isa/sound/awe_version.h sys/gnu/i386/isa/sound/awe_hw.h sys/gnu/i386/isa/sound/awe_config.h sys/gnu/i386/isa/sound/awe_compat.h After this is checked in, I'll get the ports to Satashi. Thanks! Randy From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Dec 20 18:14:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA00147 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:14:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA00137 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:14:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ct.picker.com) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:11:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07936; Sat, 20 Dec 97 21:11:57 EST Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA06681; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:11:26 -0500 Message-Id: <19971220211126.23830@ct.picker.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:11:26 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: Conrad Sabatier Cc: Luigi Rizzo , multimedia@freebsd.org, dstenn@fanfic.org, ache@nagual.pp.ru, luoqi@watermarkgroup.com, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: SB AWE64 support References: <199712090450.FAA00293@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 In-Reply-To: ; from Conrad Sabatier on Sun, Dec 14, 1997 at 11:20:35AM -0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Conrad Sabatier: |On 09-Dec-97 Luigi Rizzo wrote: |>> > Try the AWE32 driver from |>> > http://bahamut.mm.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~iwai/awedrv/, it supports AWE |>> > wavetable synth. Driver in -current only supports FM synth which |>> > sounds really pathetic. Maybe we should commit this new driver, I |>> > have been running it with -stable for month without any problem. |>> |>> Sounds good to me. I assume that Amancio and Luigi are still the |>> "point men" on the sound driver these days? |> |> I think -- may be wrong -- that Randall imported the awe support this |> summer, and the relevant bits are probably already in guspnp (thus in |> -current). Then it might well be that by default /dev/synth uses the FM |> synth instead of the wavetable, but that should be trivial to fix. | |Before committing this, someone needs to take a look at the memory probe. I |recently added the 24 meg memory module to my AWE 64, but only the original |512K is detected at startup (which is odd, considering that with the "value" |AWE 64, this original memory is supposed to be disabled/replaced by the |module's memory). | |Sfxload will not load the larger (for example, 8 meg GM) sound fonts, either. Just ported the latest AWE driver & related package to -current (and -stable) and asked John-Mark if he'd commit it for me. Once that's done, I'll pass the ports to Satoshi. http://multiverse.com/~rhh/awedrv/ if you want a preview. Conrad, just a thought -- have you tried defining AWE_DEFAULT_MEM_SIZE to override the driver mem detection. It'd be interesting to see if that works. Let me know, and we can dig into the driver and see why the auto-detection algorithm doesn't seem to be working for that massive amount of wavetable mem you have :-) For another datapoint, you might try the 0.4.2c driver on the my web page (URL above). One other thing you might check (you probably already have). Are there any jumpers or Windoze setup-type programs for the AWE64 that might let you set the amount of memory installed (or force the card to reprobe itself and update any CMOS/EEPROM settings it might have?) Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Dec 20 18:21:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA00510 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:21:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA00505 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:21:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ct.picker.com) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08058; Sat, 20 Dec 97 21:20:53 EST Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA06703; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:20:26 -0500 Message-Id: <19971220212026.61899@ct.picker.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:20:26 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: Max A Krinberg Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: midi does not play (fwd) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 In-Reply-To: ; from Max A Krinberg on Sun, Dec 14, 1997 at 11:05:10PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Max A Krinberg: |Hello, I am asking for help with playing midi files. |I could get .wav files to play no problem. |issuing comand: playmidi -f filename.mid acts like playing, but |nothing comes out of speakers. | |Here is kernel output, I am using AWE SB32. Also I could not get FreeBSD |2.2.2 to recognize AWE. added line: "device awe0 at isa? port 0x620" |did not work. Sorry its been a few days getting to your message. With this output, it appears you might not have the line in your kernel config file. The awe driver was in 2.2.2, so you should have at least seen something like: awe0 not found If the detection failed (common with PnP cards). You might reverify you have that line in your kernel config file, run config on it, and try it again. Also, I just updated the AWE driver port (and associated utilites) to the latest version. It's loads better and easier to use than the one checked into 2.2. Here's the URL: http://multiverse.com/~rhh/awedrv MIDIs, MODs, 669s, S3Ms, etc. really sound great with this driver! Let me know if you have any questions or problems installing it. Randall By the way, here's the full set of sound lines I had in my 2.2.1 kernel config file for the Sound Blaster 32 (non-PnP): controller snd0 device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 vector sbintr device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 5 device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x330 # Yamaha OPL-2/OPL-3 FM - for SB, SB Pro, SB16, PAS device opl0 at isa? port 0x388 device awe0 at isa? port 0x620 If you have a PnP card, see the link on the web page for Conrad's tips on using Luigi's PnP initialization package. | |sb0 at 0x220 irq 10 drq 3 on isa |sb0: |sbxvi0 at 0x0 drq 5 on isa |sbxvi0: |opl0 at 0x388 on isa |opl0: |sbmidi0 at 0x300 on isa | |joy0 at 0x201 on isa |joy0: joystick |changing root device to sd0a From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Dec 20 20:07:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA06322 for multimedia-outgoing; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:07:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-multimedia) Received: from bsdx.dyn.ml.org (root@dyn-max10-131.detroit.mi.ameritech.net [206.141.228.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA06317 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:07:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mcdougall@ameritech.net) Received: from ameritech.net (user1@localhost.dyn.ml.org [127.0.0.1]) by bsdx.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA16158 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:07:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mcdougall@ameritech.net) Message-ID: <349C9604.9F69715B@ameritech.net> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:07:32 -0500 From: Adam McDougall Reply-To: mcdougall@ameritech.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: sb32 troubles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am hoping one (or more :) or the sound geniouses could help me with a problem I am having with my sb32 card in -current. Almost all parts of it are detected, but not sbxvi0(sp), thus I get no digital audio. And I am unsure if the midi component is working since playmidi doesnt want to compile for me. I am pretty sure it is not the card's fault since it works fine in other machines under NT and 2.2.5-release, and I have tried other same model cards in my -current machine, but still no luck. heres the lines from my kernel conf file: controller snd0 device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 vector sbintr options SBC_IRQ=5 device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 5 device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x300 device opl0 at isa? port 0x388 conflicts controller pnp0 (adding the pnp0 didnt help but made the kernel realize a pnp card was present) Here is my output from dmesg: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Fri Dec 19 18:50:51 EST 1997 user1@flashram.egr.msu.edu:/usr/src/sys/compile/BSDXKRNL CPU: Pentium (233.22-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x543 Stepping=3 Features=0x8001bf real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) avail memory = 62894080 (61420K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x00 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x01 on pci0.1.0 ide_pci0: rev 0xc0 int a irq 14 on pci0.1.1 vga0: rev 0x02 int a irq 9 on pci0.11.0 Probing for PnP devices: CSN 1 Vendor ID: CTL0044 [0x44008c0e] Serial 0x1009ddf2 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 at 0x280-0x29f irq 15 on isa ed0: address 00:00:1b:37:54:89, type NE2000 (16 bit) sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0x2000 on isa ide_pci: generic_dmainit 01f0:1: warning, IDE controller timing not set wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , DMA wd0: 3681MB (7539840 sectors), 7480 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc1 not found at 0x170 npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface sb0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa snd0: sbxvi0 at ? drq 5 on isa snd0: sbmidi0 at 0x300 on isa snd0: opl0 at 0x388 on isa snd0: Intel Pentium F00F detected, installing workaround Thanks for your time.