From owner-freebsd-platforms Mon Mar 10 17:02:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA13644 for platforms-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:02:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from tinker.com (troll.tinker.com [204.214.7.146]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13634 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by localhost (8.7.5/8.7.3) Received: by mail.tinker.com via smap (V1.3) id sma029810; Mon Mar 10 19:14:19 1997 Received: by localhost (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA27806 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:38:55 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost (NX5.67e/) id AA29878; Mon, 10 Mar 97 19:01:26 -0600 Message-Id: <9703110101.AA29878@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Kim Shrier Date: Mon, 10 Mar 97 19:01:26 -0600 To: freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FAQ? Reply-To: kim@tinker.com Sender: owner-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I have just subscribed to this mailing list. Is there a FAQ that I can read? I am interested in FreeBSD on a PowerPC. Are there any recommended hardware platforms? Thanks, Kim Shrier kim@tinker.com From owner-freebsd-platforms Mon Mar 10 17:53:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA17739 for platforms-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:53:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17734 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:53:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA12170; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:23:32 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199703110153.MAA12170@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: FAQ? In-Reply-To: <9703110101.AA29878@localhost> from Kim Shrier at "Mar 10, 97 07:01:26 pm" To: kim@tinker.com Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:23:32 +1030 (CST) Cc: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Kim Shrier stands accused of saying: > Hello, > I have just subscribed to this mailing list. Is there a FAQ that I can > read? I am interested in FreeBSD on a PowerPC. Are there any recommended > hardware platforms? http://www.netbsd.org/ would be a better place to start. If you're talking about porting FreeBSD _to_ the PPC, then there's a gang of mad platform porters that are starting to think about what has to be done to make FreeBSD platform-friendly. > Kim Shrier -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-platforms Mon Mar 10 20:50:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA26126 for platforms-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:50:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from tinker.com (troll.tinker.com [204.214.7.146]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26119 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:50:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by localhost (8.7.5/8.7.3) Received: by mail.tinker.com via smap (V1.3) id sma000367; Mon Mar 10 23:03:13 1997 Received: by localhost (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA28194 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:27:47 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost (NX5.67e/) id AA29952; Mon, 10 Mar 97 22:50:20 -0600 Message-Id: <9703110450.AA29952@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Kim Shrier Date: Mon, 10 Mar 97 22:50:19 -0600 To: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FAQ? Reply-To: kim@tinker.com References: <199703110153.MAA12170@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Sender: owner-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith wrote: > ... If you're >talking about porting FreeBSD _to_ the PPC, then there's a gang of mad >platform porters that are starting to think about what has to be done >to make FreeBSD platform-friendly. How would one contact this band of mad platform porters? Kim Shrier kim@tinker.com From owner-freebsd-platforms Mon Mar 10 21:18:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA27078 for platforms-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:18:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27069 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:18:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA13793; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:48:12 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199703110518.PAA13793@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: FAQ? In-Reply-To: <9703110450.AA29952@localhost> from Kim Shrier at "Mar 10, 97 10:50:19 pm" To: kim@tinker.com Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:48:11 +1030 (CST) Cc: freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Kim Shrier stands accused of saying: > Michael Smith wrote: > > > ... If you're > >talking about porting FreeBSD _to_ the PPC, then there's a gang of mad > >platform porters that are starting to think about what has to be done > >to make FreeBSD platform-friendly. > > How would one contact this band of mad platform porters? I think you've picked a fairly good place, actually. There's various noise about the Alpha coming from Jordan, and some interest in a Mips port as well. Terry Lambert was working on the PPC code previously; I understand he was using AIX as a development platform, but had some problems with documentation suppliers screwing him around. Can you tell us a little more about your plans? Are you just looking for something to toy with, or do you have a plan of action of some sort? Which PPC plaform are you looking at targetting? What documentation do you have? Have you looked at the NetBSD port yet? > Kim Shrier -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-platforms Mon Mar 10 21:20:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA27207 for platforms-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:20:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA27202 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:20:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 0.56 #1) id E0w4Jyv-00021o-00; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:20:13 -0700 To: kim@tinker.com Subject: Re: FAQ? Cc: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:50:19 CST." <9703110450.AA29952@localhost> References: <9703110450.AA29952@localhost> <199703110153.MAA12170@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:20:13 -0700 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <9703110450.AA29952@localhost> Kim Shrier writes: : How would one contact this band of mad platform porters? I'd kinda like to know that too :-) Warner From owner-freebsd-platforms Mon Mar 10 22:15:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA29674 for platforms-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from tinker.com (troll.tinker.com [204.214.7.146]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29668 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:15:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by localhost (8.7.5/8.7.3) Received: by mail.tinker.com via smap (V1.3) id sma000506; Tue Mar 11 00:27:45 1997 Received: by localhost (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA28323 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 23:52:18 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost (NX5.67e/) id AA29992; Tue, 11 Mar 97 00:14:51 -0600 Message-Id: <9703110614.AA29992@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Kim Shrier Date: Tue, 11 Mar 97 00:14:51 -0600 To: freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FAQ? Reply-To: kim@tinker.com Sender: owner-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith wrote: > Kim Shrier stands accused of saying: > > Michael Smith wrote: > > > > > ... If you're > > >talking about porting FreeBSD _to_ the PPC, then there's a gang of mad > > >platform porters that are starting to think about what has to be done > > >to make FreeBSD platform-friendly. > > > > How would one contact this band of mad platform porters? > > I think you've picked a fairly good place, actually. There's various > noise about the Alpha coming from Jordan, and some interest in a Mips > port as well. Terry Lambert was working on the PPC code previously; I > understand he was using AIX as a development platform, but had some > problems with documentation suppliers screwing him around. > Can you tell us a little more about your plans? Are you just looking > for something to toy with, or do you have a plan of action of some > sort? Which PPC plaform are you looking at targetting? What > documentation do you have? Have you looked at the NetBSD port yet? I have no plan of action. I like the ppc and I use FreeBSD at home and at work. I use my position as network administrator to displace as many Windows NT systems as possible and replace them with FreeBSD. I have a 133 mhz BeBox at home, which has 2 133 mhz 603e processors. If there is an effort to port FreeBSD to the ppc, I thought I could help in my spare time. I haven't looked at the NetBSD port yet, but I will now. Kim Shrier kim@tinker.com From owner-freebsd-platforms Mon Mar 10 22:31:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00335 for platforms-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:31:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00327 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:31:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id RAA14422; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:01:25 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199703110631.RAA14422@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: FAQ? In-Reply-To: <9703110614.AA29992@localhost> from Kim Shrier at "Mar 11, 97 00:14:51 am" To: kim@tinker.com Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:01:25 +1030 (CST) Cc: freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Kim Shrier stands accused of saying: > > > Can you tell us a little more about your plans? Are you just looking > > for something to toy with, or do you have a plan of action of some > > sort? Which PPC plaform are you looking at targetting? What > > documentation do you have? Have you looked at the NetBSD port yet? > > I have no plan of action. I like the ppc and I use FreeBSD at home and at > work. I use my position as network administrator to displace as many > Windows NT systems as possible and replace them with FreeBSD. I have a Heh. I vote you a medal immediately 8) > 133 mhz BeBox at home, which has 2 133 mhz 603e processors. If there is an > effort to port FreeBSD to the ppc, I thought I could help in my spare time. Cool. There may well be something like that; there are a number of Be users/hackers around the camp. Sadly, the demise of Be as a hardware vendor has made the whole thing less motivating 8( > I haven't looked at the NetBSD port yet, but I will now. I would certainly consider it an excellent place to start. > Kim Shrier -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-platforms Tue Mar 11 09:28:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21679 for platforms-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:28:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA21672 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:28:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA25469; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:19:38 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199703111719.KAA25469@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: FAQ? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:19:38 -0700 (MST) Cc: kim@tinker.com, freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703110153.MAA12170@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Mar 11, 97 12:23:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > http://www.netbsd.org/ would be a better place to start. If you're > talking about porting FreeBSD _to_ the PPC, then there's a gang of mad > platform porters that are starting to think about what has to be done > to make FreeBSD platform-friendly. We already know what needs to be done. The question is how long will we wait for the source tree reorganization to be done by those with commit privs? No one wants to run sed scripts to move stuff around, and CVS notably lacks the feature. Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-platforms Tue Mar 11 09:40:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA23005 for platforms-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:40:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA23000 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:40:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA25504; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:31:47 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199703111731.KAA25504@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: FAQ? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:31:46 -0700 (MST) Cc: kim@tinker.com, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199703110518.PAA13793@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Mar 11, 97 03:48:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > ... If you're > > >talking about porting FreeBSD _to_ the PPC, then there's a gang of mad > > >platform porters that are starting to think about what has to be done > > >to make FreeBSD platform-friendly. > > > > How would one contact this band of mad platform porters? > > I think you've picked a fairly good place, actually. There's various > noise about the Alpha coming from Jordan, and some interest in a Mips > port as well. Terry Lambert was working on the PPC code previously; I > understand he was using AIX as a development platform, but had some > problems with documentation suppliers screwing him around. A friend of mine has a lab full of VAX hardware and a lab full of Sun hardware, and a bunch of student who have yet to be told what can't be done by a well-meaning core team member. 8-). I have a DEC Alpha, and I have the code that Jeffrey Hsu had hacked on plus my hacks, so I have a head start on the Alpha. I also have an HP3xx (68040). I also have an MCA machine (PS/2-56?). I also have the PPC loaner machine that I've been working on on and off since recovering from my accident enough to let me sit more than 8 hours a day (which I have to do for my normal job). The PPC machine is booting using modified Linux boot code (binary). It uses PPCBug, not Open Firmware, so it's hardly a port. I also have a number of VM problems I have yet to find. It's a Motorola Ultra 603 system, the same as used in Motorola "PowerStack" systems, and the same as sold by FirePower Systems and Arrow Electronics. I dumped $500 down the toilet trying to get PPCBug documentation out of Arrow (I bought it from them twice, but didn't get it either time). They are the only supplier I can go through because Motorola assigns dealer sales territories. I'm a registered BeBox developer, and I have corresponded in the not so recent past with Gassee about hardware documentation (which is what led to there being enough documentation for a Linux port). But the BeBox itself is a dead platform since Be has quit building them to concentrate on being "NeXT for PPC" after Apple bought NeXT to make themselves "NeXT for PPC". The NetBSD code, at least for the PPC, is the hosted OS approach, and so is somewhat more than unsatisfying, actually, so starting there will help only where the ROM stuff isn't used. And the big difference between FreeBSD and NetBSD is still the VM system. Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-platforms Tue Mar 11 10:22:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26991 for platforms-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA26978 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 0.56 #1) id E0w4WAP-00036W-00; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:20:53 -0700 To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: FAQ? Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith), kim@tinker.com, freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:31:46 MST." <199703111731.KAA25504@phaeton.artisoft.com> References: <199703111731.KAA25504@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:20:53 -0700 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199703111731.KAA25504@phaeton.artisoft.com> Terry Lambert writes: : I have a DEC Alpha, and I have the code that Jeffrey Hsu had hacked on : plus my hacks, so I have a head start on the Alpha. : [...] I have some minor patches to get FreeBSD to nearly compile, but no where nearly link when building on mips. These are no where near ready for prime time yet, since I've not had enough free time to work on them lately. Warner From owner-freebsd-platforms Tue Mar 11 11:19:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01291 for platforms-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:19:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01283 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:19:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA11032 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:07:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA11401; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:02:27 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:02:27 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Terry Lambert cc: Michael Smith , kim@tinker.com, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FAQ? In-Reply-To: <199703111731.KAA25504@phaeton.artisoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Terry Lambert wrote: > > I think you've picked a fairly good place, actually. There's various > > noise about the Alpha coming from Jordan, and some interest in a Mips > > port as well. Terry Lambert was working on the PPC code previously; I > > understand he was using AIX as a development platform, but had some > > problems with documentation suppliers screwing him around. > > A friend of mine has a lab full of VAX hardware and a lab full of > Sun hardware, and a bunch of student who have yet to be told what > can't be done by a well-meaning core team member. 8-). > > I have a DEC Alpha, and I have the code that Jeffrey Hsu had hacked on > plus my hacks, so I have a head start on the Alpha. > > I also have an HP3xx (68040). > > I also have an MCA machine (PS/2-56?). > > I also have the PPC loaner machine that I've been working on on and > off since recovering from my accident enough to let me sit more than > 8 hours a day (which I have to do for my normal job). > > The PPC machine is booting using modified Linux boot code (binary). > It uses PPCBug, not Open Firmware, so it's hardly a port. I also > have a number of VM problems I have yet to find. It's a Motorola > Ultra 603 system, the same as used in Motorola "PowerStack" systems, > and the same as sold by FirePower Systems and Arrow Electronics. I > dumped $500 down the toilet trying to get PPCBug documentation out > of Arrow (I bought it from them twice, but didn't get it either time). > They are the only supplier I can go through because Motorola assigns > dealer sales territories. > > > I'm a registered BeBox developer, and I have corresponded in the not > so recent past with Gassee about hardware documentation (which is what > led to there being enough documentation for a Linux port). But the > BeBox itself is a dead platform since Be has quit building them to > concentrate on being "NeXT for PPC" after Apple bought NeXT to make > themselves "NeXT for PPC". > > > The NetBSD code, at least for the PPC, is the hosted OS approach, and > so is somewhat more than unsatisfying, actually, so starting there will > help only where the ROM stuff isn't used. And the big difference > between FreeBSD and NetBSD is still the VM system. > Well, there is also pios 1 (www.pios.de)... I don't unfortunately have the money for one, but I guess it could be possible to get information from them. After all, they are said to be making (? who knows) Linux port for Pios 1. Sander > > Regards, > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > From owner-freebsd-platforms Tue Mar 11 17:23:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28343 for platforms-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA28325 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA12004 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:47:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA27788 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:45:55 -0800 Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA19489; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:14:52 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199703120044.LAA19489@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Kernel layout reshuffle (Was: Re: FAQ?) In-Reply-To: <199703111719.KAA25469@phaeton.artisoft.com> from Terry Lambert at "Mar 11, 97 10:19:38 am" To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:14:52 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, kim@tinker.com, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-platforms@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: > > http://www.netbsd.org/ would be a better place to start. If you're > > talking about porting FreeBSD _to_ the PPC, then there's a gang of mad > > platform porters that are starting to think about what has to be done > > to make FreeBSD platform-friendly. > > We already know what needs to be done. The question is how long will > we wait for the source tree reorganization to be done by those with > commit privs? No one wants to run sed scripts to move stuff around, > and CVS notably lacks the feature. We do? I certainly haven't seen any serious discussion of this, and if you mean "we should mimic NetBSD" then I for one am going to object _strenuously_. > Terry Lambert -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-platforms Tue Mar 11 17:54:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA01323 for platforms-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:54:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01316 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:54:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA26524; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:45:23 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199703120145.SAA26524@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Kernel layout reshuffle (Was: Re: FAQ?) To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:45:23 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, kim@tinker.com, freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703120044.LAA19489@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Mar 12, 97 11:14:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > http://www.netbsd.org/ would be a better place to start. If you're > > > talking about porting FreeBSD _to_ the PPC, then there's a gang of mad > > > platform porters that are starting to think about what has to be done > > > to make FreeBSD platform-friendly. > > > > We already know what needs to be done. The question is how long will > > we wait for the source tree reorganization to be done by those with > > commit privs? No one wants to run sed scripts to move stuff around, > > and CVS notably lacks the feature. > > We do? I certainly haven't seen any serious discussion of this, and if > you mean "we should mimic NetBSD" then I for one am going to object > _strenuously_. FreeBSD needs to let Richard Wackerbarth's ideas be implemented, even if Richard isn't the person who does it. Among other things. It would be nice if the structure of the source tree did not actively oppose porting to other platforms. For instance, it would be nice to have: o A build system that will work on all platforms o Install tools that will work the same on all platforms. o Kernel dependent components built along with kernel o SMP treated as if it were an architecture o Better seperation of bus code into x86 dependent and indepedent pieces o Better seperation of all code o Seperation of PCI code probe ordering so that on the DEC Alpha, where the ISA is bridged off the PCI instead of the other way around Etc. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-platforms Tue Mar 11 21:32:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA17034 for platforms-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:32:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17029 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:32:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA10606; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:28:45 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:28:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199703120528.WAA10606@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Terry Lambert Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith), freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Kernel layout reshuffle (Was: Re: FAQ?) In-Reply-To: <199703120145.SAA26524@phaeton.artisoft.com> References: <199703120044.LAA19489@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> <199703120145.SAA26524@phaeton.artisoft.com> Sender: owner-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert writes: > FreeBSD needs to let Richard Wackerbarth's ideas be implemented, > even if Richard isn't the person who does it. Among other things. > > It would be nice if the structure of the source tree did not > actively oppose porting to other platforms. For instance, it would > be nice to have: That has nothing to do with Richard's proposals. Terry, I find it *really* annoying when you exaggerate peoples ideas and somewho shoe-horn them into your 'grand scheme' for unifying the world. You've done this with my work somehow making the PCCARD patches the salvation to autoconfiguration, you're doing it with Richard's (which is/was keep the build tree only dependant on the sources in the build tree, which may in fact break multi-platform support), and many others projects. Exagerrating the significance of things only makes you look silly, and angers me because it makes the developers who don't 'INTEGRATE THESE OBVIOUS GOOD THINGS' look petty and foolish, which in fact you are for implying this. Grow up and act professionally, and not like someone whose not allowed to play with someone else's toys and mopes in a corner, Nate From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Mar 12 03:56:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA05619 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 03:56:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA05612 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 03:56:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [208.2.87.4] (cod.dataplex.net [208.2.87.4]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA24624; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 05:54:39 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: rkw@shrimp.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199703120528.WAA10606@rocky.mt.sri.com> References: <199703120145.SAA26524@phaeton.artisoft.com> <199703120044.LAA19489@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> <199703120145.SAA26524@phaeton.artisoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 05:42:35 -0600 To: Nate Williams From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: Kernel layout reshuffle (Was: Re: FAQ?) Cc: Terry Lambert , msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith), freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com Sender: owner-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams writes about Terry's comments: >you're doing it with Richard's (which is/was keep >the build tree only dependant on the sources in the build tree, which >may in fact break multi-platform support), and many others projects. Nate, I think that you here understate what I have proposed. 1) I propose that the act of building a new system MUST NOT alter the underlying system environment of the system on which it is built. Since the target system is, in the general case, a different machine from the host on which the build is performed, the sources which go into the final build must come from a source which is totally independent of the host. 2) Because the build may depend on "tools" which are not present/(the same) on the host, it will be necessary to build these tools in order to successfully accomplish the build. This preliminary stage is different from the final build in that they are intended to run in a crossover mode. They run on the host, but generate results for the target. In order to generate these crossover tools, it is necessary to separate host and target aspects of a program. The makedepend kind of program is a good example of this kind of situation. This program must read directories and files on the host system but parse the contents of those files in the context of the target. However, the output must be directed toward the crossover "make" which could be a still different context. In the general case, this separation can be most difficult to accomplish in order to maintain cross platform operatibility. This is particularly true of the FreeBSD project because many of the developers are not accustomed to working in a shared user environment, much less a cross platform one. When you operate in a single user, trash the host, there's no turning back mode, the distinction between the three modes disappears. That, unfortunately, is the present situation. 3) The other part of my proposal deals with breaking the attitude that "there is only one" source and target. Whether shared between multiple users or the same user working on multiple projects, we need a scheme that allows them to co-exist on the same host. Further, it is desirable to allow for the sharing of common source (and perhaps, object) code. Rather than "breaking" multi-platform support, I think that my proposals are necessary to allow reasonable use of a multi-platform source base. From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Mar 12 07:14:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA18063 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 07:14:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA18057 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 07:14:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 0.56 #1) id E0w4piI-0004Pf-00; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:13:10 -0700 To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: Kernel layout reshuffle (Was: Re: FAQ?) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith), kim@tinker.com, freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:45:23 MST." <199703120145.SAA26524@phaeton.artisoft.com> References: <199703120145.SAA26524@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:13:10 -0700 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199703120145.SAA26524@phaeton.artisoft.com> Terry Lambert writes: : FreeBSD needs to let Richard Wackerbarth's ideas be implemented, : even if Richard isn't the person who does it. Among other things. Hmmm, I don't know enough about Richard's stuff to know if it goes this far... : It would be nice if the structure of the source tree did not : actively oppose porting to other platforms. For instance, it would : be nice to have: : : o A build system that will work on all platforms : o Install tools that will work the same on all : platforms. : o Kernel dependent components built along with kernel : o SMP treated as if it were an architecture : o Better seperation of bus code into x86 dependent and : indepedent pieces : o Better seperation of all code : o Seperation of PCI code probe ordering so that on the : DEC Alpha, where the ISA is bridged off the PCI instead : of the other way around I don't know if I agree on all of these. So far I've found that building the kernel seems to work OK on my intel box or my OpenBSD mips box, but building the userland is a nightmare. Work does need to be done to make that sane. I've also found that x86 knows too much about busses and the like. I don't know if NetBSD is the way to go here, but if there were one unified, flawed API, vs many different ones with ours being perfect, you uknow which one I'd pick :-). FreeBSD is a mess to cross compile its userland. I punted quickly after trying once. Too many thing build things that then are used to build the target. OpenBSD is much better about this. Anyway, there are many tasks needed to make FreeBSD truly porting friendly. Warner From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Mar 12 10:28:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00898 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA00879 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA27688; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:19:16 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199703121819.LAA27688@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Kernel layout reshuffle (Was: Re: FAQ?) To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:19:15 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703120528.WAA10606@rocky.mt.sri.com> from "Nate Williams" at Mar 11, 97 10:28:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > It would be nice if the structure of the source tree did not > > actively oppose porting to other platforms. > > That has nothing to do with Richard's proposals. Thankfully, Richard has corrected you better than I could have on his behalf. > Terry, I find it *really* annoying when you exaggerate peoples > ideas and somewho shoe-horn them into your 'grand scheme' for > unifying the world. You've done this with my work somehow making > the PCCARD patches the salvation to autoconfiguration, This isn't true. They aren't because they aren't in a larger framework; they also aren't because they require too much opportunity for pilot error in configuration, and they aren't because they are not a subelement in a larger design. Whish is not to say that they shouldn't be a subelement ina larger design. What they *are* is a first model for a device arrival/departure framework in which the arrival and departure of devices will not affect the overall ability of the machine to continue running. Even if that model is not the final model, the goal of allowing dynamic reconfiguration is a worthy one, and should be pursued in other areas of the kernel, and the PCCARD stuff should be a component in the overall framework designed to meet this goal. > you're doing it with Richard's (which is/was keep the build tree > only dependant on the sources in the build tree, which may in fact > break multi-platform support), I think you give Richard too little credit. If I remember correctly, Richards suggestion that he fix the make system *came out of* a porting discussion. I will also point out that this discussion was never sent to Richard on a side band: he very obviously has a presence on the -platforms list, where this discussion is taking place. > and many others projects. Name them; I will be happy to refute them on a case-by-case basis. > Exagerrating the significance of things only makes you look silly, and > angers me because it makes the developers who don't 'INTEGRATE THESE > OBVIOUS GOOD THINGS' look petty and foolish, which in fact you are for > implying this. There is "obvious to Terry" and there is "obvious to the rest of the world". I freely admit this. I believe I am a deep thinker, and that believing this is not hubris. I believe that a number of things that have not been integrated *are* 'OBVIOUS GOOD THINGS', and I believe that some of the developers involved in the decisions *are* foolish for not seeing the "obvious to Terry" (not seeing the obvious does not make one petty, however). > Grow up and act professionally, and not like someone whose not allowed > to play with someone else's toys and mopes in a corner, On the contrary; I could easily start a "TerryBSD", or go over to the OpenBSD or NetBSD camp and start integrating FreeBSD code left and right. To a large extent, porting FreeBSD to the Alpha and HP3xx platforms is exactly that. A merger by fiat. But I *am* a professional, and I have a good understanding of the social structures on which I would be operating, so I have chosen the path most likely to succeed in the long term. To do otherwise would *truly* make me out the childish fool you imply. Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-platforms Sat Mar 15 07:10:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA25982 for platforms-outgoing; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 07:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ingenieria ([168.176.15.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA25951 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 07:09:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from unalmodem.usc.unal.edu.co by ingenieria (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA22146; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 09:56:32 -0500 Message-ID: <332AE549.58D2@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:07:05 -0800 From: Pedro Giffuni X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Subject: Some one working on a SPARC version? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, Both NetBSD and Linux seem to have started in the multiplatform world with a SPARC port. We probably even have a BSD "market" there with all the people that preferred to stay with SunOS 4.1 instead of Solaris. Is someone working on this port? Pedro. (BTW There is a nice crosscompíling kit in: http://www.estec.esa.nl/wsmwww/erc32/freesoft.html ) From owner-freebsd-platforms Sat Mar 15 12:38:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08347 for platforms-outgoing; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 12:38:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from flibble.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au (root@flibble.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.AU [129.78.97.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08342 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 12:38:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from flibble.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au (srn@flibble.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.97.129]) by flibble.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA17152; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 06:37:12 +1000 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 06:37:12 +1000 (EST) From: Stephen Robert Norris Reply-To: Stephen Robert Norris Subject: Re: Some one working on a SPARC version? To: Pedro Giffuni cc: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <332AE549.58D2@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id MAA08343 Sender: owner-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Howdy, > Both NetBSD and Linux seem to have started in the multiplatform world > with a SPARC port. We probably even have a BSD "market" there with all > the people that preferred to stay with SunOS 4.1 instead of Solaris. > Is someone working on this port? > > Pedro. > > (BTW There is a nice crosscompíling kit in: > http://www.estec.esa.nl/wsmwww/erc32/freesoft.html ) Actually, Linux had an Alpha port first, then, IIRC a 680x0, _then_ a SPARC port, then PPC... Stephen From owner-freebsd-platforms Sat Mar 15 13:35:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11277 for platforms-outgoing; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ingenieria ([168.176.15.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11270 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:35:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from unalmodem.usc.unal.edu.co by ingenieria (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA22845; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 16:21:18 -0500 Message-ID: <332B3F75.40E8@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 16:31:49 -0800 From: Pedro Giffuni X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Robert Norris CC: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some one working on a SPARC version? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stephen Robert Norris wrote: > > Actually, Linux had an Alpha port first, then, IIRC a 680x0, _then_ a SPARC > port, then PPC... > Oops, sorry, no hint on that on their pages...BTW, are they keeping one tree (like NetBSD) or are they keeping different distributions for each box? The NetBSD SPARC port is impressing, it runs SunOS 4.1 stuff and emulates some Solaris also. Since we can´t beat them...I guess we will some day copy most of their stuff. Pedro. > Stephen > From owner-freebsd-platforms Sat Mar 15 13:57:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11945 for platforms-outgoing; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from flibble.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au (root@flibble.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.AU [129.78.97.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11937 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:56:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from flibble.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au (srn@flibble.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.97.129]) by flibble.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA20153; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 07:56:14 +1000 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 07:56:14 +1000 (EST) From: Stephen Robert Norris Reply-To: Stephen Robert Norris Subject: Re: Some one working on a SPARC version? To: Pedro Giffuni cc: Stephen Robert Norris , freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <332B3F75.40E8@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id NAA11941 Sender: owner-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Oops, sorry, no hint on that on their pages...BTW, are they keeping one > tree (like NetBSD) or are they keeping different distributions for each > box? The source tree has: alpha i386 m68k mips ppc sparc in it. There's an SGI port underway, which may be in the current development kernels, I'm not sure. > The NetBSD SPARC port is impressing, it runs SunOS 4.1 stuff and > emulates some Solaris also. Since we can´t beat them...I guess we will > some day copy most of their stuff. > > Pedro. Yes, the Linux SPARC port also runs SunOS 4.1 stuff (I think it must be fairly easy)... It also does SMP, which is handy, given the number of SMP suns around. Stephen From owner-freebsd-platforms Sat Mar 15 14:08:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12339 for platforms-outgoing; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from werple.net.au (melb.werple.net.au [203.9.190.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA12334 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:08:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27956 invoked by uid 5); 15 Mar 1997 22:08:15 -0000 MBOX-Line: From jb@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au Sun Mar 16 09:08:02 1997 Received: (from jb@localhost) by freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04996; Sun, 16 Mar 1997 09:08:02 +1100 (EST) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199703152208.JAA04996@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Some one working on a SPARC version? To: pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co (Pedro Giffuni) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 09:08:02 +1100 (EST) Cc: srn@flibble.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au, freebsd-platforms@freeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <332B3F75.40E8@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> from Pedro Giffuni at "Mar 15, 97 04:31:49 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-platforms@freeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Pedro Giffuni wrote: > Oops, sorry, no hint on that on their pages...BTW, are they keeping one > tree (like NetBSD) or are they keeping different distributions for each > box? > > The NetBSD SPARC port is impressing, it runs SunOS 4.1 stuff and > emulates some Solaris also. Since we can´t beat them...I guess we will > some day copy most of their stuff. I always thought the saying was: "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em". Why not _share_ "their" stuff? Sigh. > > Pedro. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@netbsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, 119 Cecil Street, South Melbourne Vic 3205, Australia Tel +61 3 9690 6900 Fax +61 3 9690 6650 Mob +61 418 353 137 From owner-freebsd-platforms Sat Mar 15 14:41:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA13422 for platforms-outgoing; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:41:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13417 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:41:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.8.5/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA03991; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 15:40:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199703152240.PAA03991@rover.village.org> To: Stephen Robert Norris Subject: Re: Some one working on a SPARC version? Cc: Pedro Giffuni , freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 16 Mar 1997 07:56:14 +1000." References: Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 15:40:55 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message Stephen Robert Norris writes: : The source tree has: : alpha : i386 : m68k : mips : ppc : sparc : in it. There's an SGI port underway, which may be in the current development : kernels, I'm not sure. The SGI stuff is a subport of the mips port, but hasn't been integrated yet. The port stalled out after much fanfare at its outset, and has recently begun again down in Mexico somewhere. Except for the Alpha and i386, you have to go elsewhere for the latest (and sometimes for a working) version of that port's tree. The various ports merge back into the mainline tree from time to time, but aren't always completely merged (but can, from time to time, be so). An nobody has a tree for the whole system, just the kernel and related programs for building the kernel. Warner From owner-freebsd-platforms Sat Mar 15 14:56:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14205 for platforms-outgoing; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:56:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co ([168.176.37.75]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14200 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:56:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from unalmodem.usc.unal.edu.co (unalmodem08.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.38]) by apolo.biblos.unal.edu.co (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00695; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 17:56:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <332B4A23.7008@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 17:18:13 -0800 From: Pedro Giffuni X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Birrell CC: srn@flibble.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au, freebsd-platforms@freeBSD.org Subject: Re: Some one working on a SPARC version? References: <199703152208.JAA04996@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-platforms@freeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Birrell wrote: > > The NetBSD SPARC port is impressing, it runs SunOS 4.1 stuff and > > emulates some Solaris also. Since we can´t beat them...I guess we will > > some day copy most of their stuff. > > I always thought the saying was: "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em". > While there is no FreeBSD for other architectures I *do* recommend NetBSD or OpenBSD to my friends. > Why not _share_ "their" stuff? Sigh. > Porting FreeBSD to other architectures is more than just using a ports tree and adapting the VM. We must keep our stuff to retain our identity 8)... Well "copy" or "share" is about the same in the free world. 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