From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Aug 14 14:14:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA13713 for platforms-outgoing; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (mail-gw2.pacbell.net [206.13.28.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13700; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jack (ppp-206-170-1-101.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.1.101]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.6/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id OAA24816; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33F373A0.E3209D0C@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:07:44 -0700 From: jack velte Reply-To: jackv@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , chat@freebsd.org, platforms@freebsd.org Subject: Re: speed test X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <8565.871554678@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > OK, so I had to go to an ALPHA to do it. ;-) > > > > which alpha? > > > > c'mon jordan, his is not alt.tasteless.freebsd.hackers :PPPPPPPPPPPP > > It's a DEC Durango motherboard with a 500Mhz 21164 CPU. I bought it > from Aspen systems (www.aspsys.com) and it's currently running > Netbsd-current as a reference platform for the FreeBSD/ALPHA effort > which is slowly getting under way now. i urge a port to Macintosh Power PC. the next generation rhapsody kernel 3.0 is now based on the MKLinux kernel. if you can get freebsd working as the kernel under the next version of MacOS (the Nextstep derivative), you'll have a huge built-in audience of every installed Mac user. Nextstep is finally a reason other than graphic arts to own a Mac. Port FreeBSD and give the Mac people a choice. -jack From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Aug 14 14:49:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15560 for platforms-outgoing; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15541; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA10868; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:03:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id QAA17003; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:50:30 -0500 Message-ID: <19970814165029.56815@right.PCS> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:50:29 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: jackv@pacbell.net Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: speed test References: <8565.871554678@time.cdrom.com> <33F373A0.E3209D0C@pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: <33F373A0.E3209D0C@pacbell.net>; from jack velte on Aug 08, 1997 at 02:07:44PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Aug 08, 1997 at 02:07:44PM -0700, jack velte wrote: > i urge a port to Macintosh Power PC. the next generation rhapsody > kernel 3.0 is now based on the MKLinux kernel. if you can get freebsd > working as the kernel under the next version of MacOS (the Nextstep > derivative), you'll have a huge built-in audience of every installed Mac > user. Nextstep is finally a reason other than graphic arts to own a > Mac. Port FreeBSD and give the Mac people a choice. Ah, as a former NS user, I would much like to see the graphics layer on top of FBSD. However, I don't think the above is really possible. Rhapsody is not built on top of MkLinux, but is a Mach 3.x core, with 4.4BSD services layered on top. (NS was Mach 2.x, with 4.3 BSD) As NS is really Mach at heart, I don't think that it would be really possible to replace the kernel with FBSD. -- Jonathan From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Aug 14 16:58:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA22489 for platforms-outgoing; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22475; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA22210; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:27:24 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199708142357.JAA22210@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: speed test In-Reply-To: <33F373A0.E3209D0C@pacbell.net> from jack velte at "Aug 14, 97 02:07:44 pm" To: jackv@pacbell.net Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:27:23 +0930 (CST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk jack velte stands accused of saying: > > > > It's a DEC Durango motherboard with a 500Mhz 21164 CPU. I bought it > > from Aspen systems (www.aspsys.com) and it's currently running > > Netbsd-current as a reference platform for the FreeBSD/ALPHA effort > > which is slowly getting under way now. > > i urge a port to Macintosh Power PC. the next generation rhapsody > kernel 3.0 is now based on the MKLinux kernel. if you can get freebsd > working as the kernel under the next version of MacOS (the Nextstep > derivative), you'll have a huge built-in audience of every installed Mac > user. Nextstep is finally a reason other than graphic arts to own a > Mac. Port FreeBSD and give the Mac people a choice. Just as soon as Apple release documentation on their pathetic hardware. Not only is their gear proprietary, it's _slow_. I'd prefer to run FreeBSD on a Multia. FWIW, MKlinux is a Linux server layered over Mach. There is a FreeBSD server for Mach as well; why not just get that going? > -jack -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Aug 14 18:15:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA26837 for platforms-outgoing; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26832; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA02893; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:15:14 -0700 (PDT) To: jackv@pacbell.net cc: chat@freebsd.org, platforms@freebsd.org Subject: Re: speed test In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:07:44 PDT." <33F373A0.E3209D0C@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:15:13 -0700 Message-ID: <2890.871607713@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > i urge a port to Macintosh Power PC. the next generation rhapsody > kernel 3.0 is now based on the MKLinux kernel. if you can get freebsd The PowerPC architecture is dead dead dead. It just doesn't know it yet. Jordan From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Aug 14 20:56:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA04477 for platforms-outgoing; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kani.wwa.com (kani.wwa.com [198.49.174.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04472 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 205.243.69.136/pool3-007.rkfd.wwa.com [205.243.69.136] by kani.wwa.com with esmtp (Smail3.2.WWA) id m0wzDVF-003mpEC; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:56:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <33F3D440.CAC9F7C4@flask.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:00:03 -0500 From: Shin Katsumata Reply-To: skat@flask.com Organization: Flask Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: platforms@freebsd.org Subject: Re: speed test X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <2890.871607713@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > i urge a port to Macintosh Power PC. the next generation rhapsody > > kernel 3.0 is now based on the MKLinux kernel. if you can get > freebsd > > The PowerPC architecture is dead dead dead. It just doesn't know it > yet. > > Jordan x86 is dead, MIPS is dead, Sparc is dead, Alpha is dead too. All current computer archetectures are dying. We just have not found the right archetecture to replace them. By the time we find it, it will be dying too. Only surviver probably will be the IBM-360 archetecture. What a depressing thought. Shin From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Aug 14 22:08:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA07935 for platforms-outgoing; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (critter.phk.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA07915; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.dk.tfs.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA04457; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:07:30 +0200 (CEST) To: jackv@pacbell.net cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , chat@freebsd.org, platforms@freebsd.org Subject: Re: speed test In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:07:44 PDT." <33F373A0.E3209D0C@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:07:29 +0200 Message-ID: <4455.871621649@critter.dk.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk That should be moderately easy: Grab lites and get moving... I somehow doubt that there are many Mac owners who are into UNIX ... Poul-Henning In message <33F373A0.E3209D0C@pacbell.net>, jack velte writes: >Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> >> > > OK, so I had to go to an ALPHA to do it. ;-) >> > >> > which alpha? >> > >> > c'mon jordan, his is not alt.tasteless.freebsd.hackers :PPPPPPPPPPPP >> >> It's a DEC Durango motherboard with a 500Mhz 21164 CPU. I bought it >> from Aspen systems (www.aspsys.com) and it's currently running >> Netbsd-current as a reference platform for the FreeBSD/ALPHA effort >> which is slowly getting under way now. > >i urge a port to Macintosh Power PC. the next generation rhapsody >kernel 3.0 is now based on the MKLinux kernel. if you can get freebsd >working as the kernel under the next version of MacOS (the Nextstep >derivative), you'll have a huge built-in audience of every installed Mac >user. Nextstep is finally a reason other than graphic arts to own a >Mac. Port FreeBSD and give the Mac people a choice. > >-jack -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Power and ignorance is a disgusting cocktail. From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Aug 14 22:16:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA08390 for platforms-outgoing; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (critter.phk.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08385; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.dk.tfs.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA04627; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:15:29 +0200 (CEST) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: jackv@pacbell.net, chat@freebsd.org, platforms@freebsd.org Subject: Re: speed test In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:15:13 PDT." <2890.871607713@time.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:15:29 +0200 Message-ID: <4625.871622129@critter.dk.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <2890.871607713@time.cdrom.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >> i urge a port to Macintosh Power PC. the next generation rhapsody >> kernel 3.0 is now based on the MKLinux kernel. if you can get freebsd > >The PowerPC architecture is dead dead dead. It just doesn't know it >yet. > > Jordan I disagree, as long as RS/6000 is IBM's server platform, PowerPC will survive. And it isn't that bad actually... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Power and ignorance is a disgusting cocktail. From owner-freebsd-platforms Fri Aug 15 04:06:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA21306 for platforms-outgoing; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 04:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA21295; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 04:06:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA01636; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:01:06 +0300 (EEST) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:01:06 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: jackv@pacbell.net, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: speed test In-Reply-To: <2890.871607713@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > i urge a port to Macintosh Power PC. the next generation rhapsody > > kernel 3.0 is now based on the MKLinux kernel. if you can get freebsd > > The PowerPC architecture is dead dead dead. It just doesn't know it > yet. > Why would it be dead? The processors are not bad, neither are they end of lifecycle like the PPros and Pentium IIs. IBM and Motorola even have a roadmap (which they even seem to be keeping time/feature wise) what they want and will do with the processors. On the embedded side, there seems to be an abundance of choices, as are for the set-top box people. So why dead? Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. > Jordan > From owner-freebsd-platforms Fri Aug 15 04:06:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA21338 for platforms-outgoing; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 04:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA21298; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 04:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA01482; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:50:55 +0300 (EEST) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:50:54 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: Michael Smith cc: jackv@pacbell.net, jkh@time.cdrom.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: speed test In-Reply-To: <199708142357.JAA22210@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Michael Smith wrote: > jack velte stands accused of saying: > > > > > > It's a DEC Durango motherboard with a 500Mhz 21164 CPU. I bought it > > > from Aspen systems (www.aspsys.com) and it's currently running > > > Netbsd-current as a reference platform for the FreeBSD/ALPHA effort > > > which is slowly getting under way now. > > > > i urge a port to Macintosh Power PC. the next generation rhapsody > > kernel 3.0 is now based on the MKLinux kernel. if you can get freebsd > > working as the kernel under the next version of MacOS (the Nextstep > > derivative), you'll have a huge built-in audience of every installed Mac > > user. Nextstep is finally a reason other than graphic arts to own a > > Mac. Port FreeBSD and give the Mac people a choice. > > Just as soon as Apple release documentation on their pathetic hardware. > > Not only is their gear proprietary, it's _slow_. I'd prefer to run > FreeBSD on a Multia. That is *why* you port not to apple hardware but to CHRP. As for slow - I don't really think the new CHRP machines are at least as quick as the Pentium II 300, if not quicker. See for example the machines on the Motorola Computer Group page... And no, I don't think I would spend my money on 24X SCSI CD-ROMS. Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. > > FWIW, MKlinux is a Linux server layered over Mach. There is a FreeBSD > server for Mach as well; why not just get that going? > > > -jack > > -- > ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ > ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ > ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ > ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ > ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ > From owner-freebsd-platforms Fri Aug 15 06:12:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA25765 for platforms-outgoing; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 06:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.flask.com (root@ns1.flask.com [207.67.43.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA25758 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 06:12:12 -0700 (PDT) From: skat@flask.com Received: (from skat@localhost) by ns1.flask.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id IAA15347; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:13:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:13:17 -0500 (CDT) To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: speed test In-Reply-To: <4455.871621649@critter.dk.tfs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk May be more users than you think. Considering that Apple's hign-end print and file servers are running AIX, there are probably fair amount of printing shops using unix servers instead of MacOS based servers. Anyway, most Mac Users will be using unix in near future. Rhapsody, which Apple plans to replace the MacOS is a BSD unix. VMS vs. unix... we been here before, haven't we? Shin On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > That should be moderately easy: Grab lites and get moving... > > I somehow doubt that there are many Mac owners who are into UNIX ... > > Poul-Henning > From owner-freebsd-platforms Fri Aug 15 08:55:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA03469 for platforms-outgoing; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA03464; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA22928; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:49:29 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199708151549.IAA22928@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: speed test To: phk@critter.dk.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:49:29 -0700 (MST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, jackv@pacbell.net, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, platforms@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4625.871622129@critter.dk.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Aug 15, 97 07:15:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >The PowerPC architecture is dead dead dead. It just doesn't know it > >yet. > > I disagree, as long as RS/6000 is IBM's server platform, PowerPC will > survive. And it isn't that bad actually... I agree with Poul. I rather like the PPC. For one thing, it has a sane byte order. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-platforms Fri Aug 15 21:32:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA06466 for platforms-outgoing; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06445; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt1-201.HiWAAY.net [208.147.147.201]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28308; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:32:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA05664; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:30:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199708160330.WAA05664@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, platforms@FreeBSD.ORG From: dkelly@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: speed test In-reply-to: Message from Narvi of "Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:50:54 +0300." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:30:22 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Narvi writes: > > > Not only is their gear proprietary, it's _slow_. I'd prefer to run > > FreeBSD on a Multia. > > That is *why* you port not to apple hardware but to CHRP. As for slow - I > don't really think the new CHRP machines are at least as quick as the > Pentium II 300, if not quicker. See for example the machines on > the Motorola Computer Group page... I don't think Apple hardware is all that slow. What we are seeing lately is the MacOS has been terribly slow. System 7.6.1 runs apps much faster. System 8.0 is said to have similar performance gains. Apparently large portions of the system were (still are) emulated 68k code. Amazing. As for speed, my PowerCenter Pro 210 is cranking out 565k keys/sec running the 2.002 client from http://rc5.distributed.net. A FreeBSD P-133 is doing 160k, a FreeBSD 5x86/133-P75 is doing 120k. My SE/30 is doing 4k. Macintosh's are currently crunching 40% of the daily keys. And just pushed a Linux team out of the #1 spot. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-platforms Fri Aug 15 21:32:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA06523 for platforms-outgoing; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06446; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt1-201.HiWAAY.net [208.147.147.201]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA32624; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:32:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA05640; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:19:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199708160319.WAA05640@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, platforms@FreeBSD.ORG From: dkelly@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: speed test In-reply-to: Message from Poul-Henning Kamp of "Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:07:29 +0200." <4455.871621649@critter.dk.tfs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:19:02 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > > That should be moderately easy: Grab lites and get moving... > > I somehow doubt that there are many Mac owners who are into UNIX ... I've always said, "Gimme a Mac, or gimme Unix, keep the half-baked poor excuse Microsoft boxes to yourself." Maybe I'm 3-sigma? When pushing virtual (or real) paper, nothing beats a Mac. For computing tasks, nothing beats Unix. I'm sysadmin for about 25 systems, half Sun, half SGI. Inherited a P-133 when somebody left for greener pastures. Wiped the HD's and put FreeBSD on it without even looking to see what was on the HD before. All of my work email is forwarded to the FreeBSD box, and read with Eudora on the SE/30. The P-133 is better at Netscape as it has a color monitor. Recently purchased a new Power Computing PowerCenter Pro 210. What a nice machine! Am really looking forward to the next issue of MacUser with the BeOS CDROM. Is said to have POSIX/Unix compatibility, including bash and other tools. And MacOS-incompatible. :-( Oh well, that's why I purchased a 4G HD. Then I read BeOS doesn't support the SCSI card the 4G HD is attached to. :-( (ever hear of an Adaptec 2930?) So I upgraded a 5x86/133-P75 FreeBSD box with another 4G HD tonight, freeing a 510M HD for BeOS on the PCPro's external SCSI bus. At home I'm not quite happy with exmh. Have been thinking a lot about putting this good Viewsonic PT770 monitor on my old Mac IIvx, using this FreeBSD system as a modem server (and other things with netatalk). And go back to good old Eudora over ethernet. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-platforms Sat Aug 16 00:08:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA11510 for platforms-outgoing; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 00:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nico.telstra.net (nico.telstra.net [139.130.204.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA11487; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 00:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by nico.telstra.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id RAA25946; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:07:34 +1000 From: Greg Lehey Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA05915; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:37:32 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199708160707.QAA05915@freebie.lemis.com> Subject: Re: speed test In-Reply-To: <2890.871607713@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Aug 14, 97 06:15:13 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:37:32 +0930 (CST) Cc: jackv@pacbell.net, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: >> i urge a port to Macintosh Power PC. the next generation rhapsody >> kernel 3.0 is now based on the MKLinux kernel. if you can get freebsd > > The PowerPC architecture is dead dead dead. It just doesn't know it > yet. JOOI, what hardware does Deep Blue have? What software? Greg From owner-freebsd-platforms Sat Aug 16 02:26:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA14917 for platforms-outgoing; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from css.tuu.utas.edu.au (acs@css.tuu.utas.edu.au [131.217.115.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA14912; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:26:26 -0700 (PDT) From: andrew@ugh.net.au Received: from localhost (acs@localhost) by css.tuu.utas.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA17914; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:26:22 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: depravitas.tuu.utas.edu.au: acs owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:26:22 +1000 (EST) To: dkelly@hiwaay.net cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: speed test In-Reply-To: <199708160319.WAA05640@nospam.hiwaay.net> Message-ID: X-Meaning-of-Life: none X-WonK: *wibble* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 dkelly@hiwaay.net wrote: > > I somehow doubt that there are many Mac owners who are into UNIX ... > > I've always said, "Gimme a Mac, or gimme Unix, keep the half-baked poor > excuse Microsoft boxes to yourself." Maybe I'm 3-sigma? Mac users are far more likely to use UNIX. After all they recognised one brilliant computer system...why not another? :-) Andrew From owner-freebsd-platforms Sat Aug 16 03:10:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA16290 for platforms-outgoing; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 03:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (root@news.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA16277 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 03:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCAL (uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63) with IAEhv.nl; pid 484 on Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:10:27 GMT; id KAA00484 efrom: peter@grendel.IAEhv.nl; eto: platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Received: (from peter@localhost) by grendel.IAEhv.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00544; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:24:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970815222430.43082@grendel.IAEhv.nl> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:24:30 +0200 From: Peter Korsten To: platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: speed test References: <33F373A0.E3209D0C@pacbell.net> <2890.871607713@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67e In-Reply-To: <2890.871607713@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Thu, Aug 14, 1997 at 06:15:13PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (This message probably belongs on another mailing list.) Jordan K. Hubbard shared with us: > > i urge a port to Macintosh Power PC. the next generation rhapsody > > kernel 3.0 is now based on the MKLinux kernel. if you can get freebsd > > The PowerPC architecture is dead dead dead. It just doesn't know it > yet. Actually, there are two business where the Macintosh is the leading platform: graphics and music (MIDI sequencing, harddisk recording and sound processing). Both are gradually moving over to Windows NT (on an Intel archtecture). At this moment, it's 'gradually'. In some time, it will be 'rapidly'. HP stopped building it's own processors, next is either Motorola or SGI (MIPS). Alpha seems like the most safe bet at the moment, because they're way faster than Intel at the time. Apart from that, Alpha is the only platform that really aims at server applications, just like FreeBSD does. MIPS and PPC are used in the graphics industry, all with it's specialized applications that are not very likely to be ported to FreeBSD (at least, not in the near future). - Peter From owner-freebsd-platforms Sat Aug 16 09:39:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29987 for platforms-outgoing; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29980; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00262; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:39:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:39:03 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: andrew@ugh.net.au cc: dkelly@hiwaay.net, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: speed test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 16 Aug 1997 andrew@ugh.net.au wrote: > On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 dkelly@hiwaay.net wrote: > > > > I somehow doubt that there are many Mac owners who are into UNIX ... > > > > I've always said, "Gimme a Mac, or gimme Unix, keep the half-baked poor > > excuse Microsoft boxes to yourself." Maybe I'm 3-sigma? > > Mac users are far more likely to use UNIX. After all they recognised one > brilliant computer system...why not another? :-) Further evidence lies in the job descriptions of computer support staff around here: we have Windows support people, and we have Mac/Unix support people. -john From owner-freebsd-platforms Sat Aug 16 11:09:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA03314 for platforms-outgoing; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wall.jhs.no_domain (vector.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03265; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desk.jhs.no_domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by desk.jhs.no_domain (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02831; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:05:47 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199708161005.MAA02831@desk.jhs.no_domain> To: dkelly@hiwaay.net cc: chat@freebsd.org, platforms@freebsd.org Subject: Re: speed test From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Email: Home: Lists: Work (firewall blocks incoming): X-web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ X-address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany X-tel: Home +49.89.268616, Work +49.89.607.29788 Fax +49.89.2608126, Data +49.89.26023276 X-company: Vector Systems Ltd, Unix & Internet Consultants. X-software: FreeBSD (Unix) + EXMH 1.6.9 (PGP key on web) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:19:02 CDT." <199708160319.WAA05640@nospam.hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:05:46 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Reference: > From: dkelly@hiwaay.net > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:19:02 -0500 > Message-id: <199708160319.WAA05640@nospam.hiwaay.net> Hi, dkelly@hiwaay.net wrote: > Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > > > > That should be moderately easy: Grab lites and get moving... > > > > I somehow doubt that there are many Mac owners who are into UNIX ... > > I've always said, "Gimme a Mac, or gimme Unix, keep the half-baked poor excus > e Microsoft boxes to yourself." Maybe I'm 3-sigma? What does "3-sigma" mean in English ? (I'm English not American, perhaps others were puzzled too ?) Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-platforms Sat Aug 16 11:42:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04724 for platforms-outgoing; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04702; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.60 #1) id 0wznne-0002cF-00; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:42:10 -0600 To: "Julian H. Stacey" Subject: Re: speed test Cc: dkelly@hiwaay.net, chat@freebsd.org, platforms@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:05:46 +0200." <199708161005.MAA02831@desk.jhs.no_domain> References: <199708161005.MAA02831@desk.jhs.no_domain> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:42:09 -0600 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199708161005.MAA02831@desk.jhs.no_domain> "Julian H. Stacey" writes: : What does "3-sigma" mean in English ? : (I'm English not American, perhaps others were puzzled too ?) Three standard deviations away from the average. Generally used to connote being on the cutting edge. << 1% of the sample space is 3 sigma away from the average. Warner From owner-freebsd-platforms Sat Aug 16 13:34:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09274 for platforms-outgoing; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (root@po1.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09209; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from divot.eng.umd.edu (crb@divot.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.194]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA05845; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (crb@localhost) by divot.eng.umd.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA01507; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:34:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: divot.eng.umd.edu: crb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:34:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher R. Bowman" X-Sender: crb@divot.eng.umd.edu To: "Julian H. Stacey" cc: dkelly@hiwaay.net, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: speed test In-Reply-To: <199708161005.MAA02831@desk.jhs.no_domain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Reference: > > From: dkelly@hiwaay.net > > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:19:02 -0500 > > Message-id: <199708160319.WAA05640@nospam.hiwaay.net> > > Hi, > dkelly@hiwaay.net wrote: > > Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > > > > > > That should be moderately easy: Grab lites and get moving... > > > > > > I somehow doubt that there are many Mac owners who are into UNIX ... > > > > I've always said, "Gimme a Mac, or gimme Unix, keep the half-baked poor excus > > e Microsoft boxes to yourself." Maybe I'm 3-sigma? > > What does "3-sigma" mean in English ? > (I'm English not American, perhaps others were puzzled too ?) > If I remember correctly 3-sigma is esstentially a short-hand for 1 in a million. It derives from statistics where given a gaussian (bell) distribution, the probability of anything outside 3 sigma (sigma is a ususally the standard deviation) from the average is like .999997 or something close to that, which is basically 1 in a million. Motorola was big into this basing their near zero defect quality project on this catch phrase. --------- Christopher R. Bowman crb@Glue.umd.edu My home page From owner-freebsd-platforms Sat Aug 16 22:32:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA07232 for platforms-outgoing; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nico.telstra.net (nico.telstra.net [139.130.204.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA07223; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by nico.telstra.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id PAA03360; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:30:48 +1000 Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id PAA06386; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:00:35 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970817150033.65486@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:00:33 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Warner Losh Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" , dkelly@hiwaay.net, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: speed test References: <199708161005.MAA02831@desk.jhs.no_domain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: ; from Warner Losh on Sat, Aug 16, 1997 at 12:42:09PM -0600 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, Aug 16, 1997 at 12:42:09PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <199708161005.MAA02831@desk.jhs.no_domain> "Julian H. Stacey" writes: >> What does "3-sigma" mean in English ? >> (I'm English not American, perhaps others were puzzled too ?) > > Three standard deviations away from the average. Generally used to > connote being on the cutting edge. That's a rather arbitary interpretation, isn't it? What about the trailing edge? Greg From owner-freebsd-platforms Sat Aug 16 22:32:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA07259 for platforms-outgoing; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nico.telstra.net (nico.telstra.net [139.130.204.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA07252; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by nico.telstra.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id PAA03398; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:31:40 +1000 Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id PAA06394; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:01:38 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970817150137.64846@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:01:37 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "Christopher R. Bowman" Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" , dkelly@hiwaay.net, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: speed test References: <199708161005.MAA02831@desk.jhs.no_domain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: ; from Christopher R. Bowman on Sat, Aug 16, 1997 at 04:34:01PM -0400 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, Aug 16, 1997 at 04:34:01PM -0400, Christopher R. Bowman wrote: > On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > >> Reference: >>> From: dkelly@hiwaay.net >>> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:19:02 -0500 >>> Message-id: <199708160319.WAA05640@nospam.hiwaay.net> >> >> Hi, >> dkelly@hiwaay.net wrote: >>> Poul-Henning Kamp writes: >>>> >>>> That should be moderately easy: Grab lites and get moving... >>>> >>>> I somehow doubt that there are many Mac owners who are into UNIX ... >>> >>> I've always said, "Gimme a Mac, or gimme Unix, keep the half-baked poor excus >>> e Microsoft boxes to yourself." Maybe I'm 3-sigma? >> >> What does "3-sigma" mean in English ? >> (I'm English not American, perhaps others were puzzled too ?) >> > > If I remember correctly 3-sigma is esstentially a short-hand for 1 in a > million. It derives from statistics where given a gaussian (bell) > distribution, the probability of anything outside 3 sigma (sigma is a ususally > the standard deviation) from the average is like .999997 or something > close to that, which is basically 1 in a million. Motorola was big into > this basing their near zero defect quality project on this catch > phrase. Didn't Moto have a 7-sigma goal? Greg