From owner-freebsd-platforms Sun Oct 12 08:49:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA28420 for platforms-outgoing; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 08:49:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA28408; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 08:48:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA17570; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:48:38 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:48:38 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: Douglas Carmichael cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the PowerMac? In-Reply-To: <199710102301.SAA00400@dcarmich.pr.mcs.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Douglas Carmichael wrote: > Could it be done by: > > 1) Porting the "Lites" single server (http://www.cs.hut.fi/lites.html) to PowerPC Well, we wanted to run FreeBSD on the PowerMac, right? > 2) Running it under Mach (which is already used by MkLinux) Errrr.... > 3) Making the whole "world" except the kernel and libraries from FreeBSD/i386. > What would be a good name for this project? > MkFreeBSD, FreeBSD/PPC, FreeBSD/MK? ^^^^^^^^^^ Well, MkFreeBSD or FreeBSD/MK. Lets leave FreeBSD/PPC to those wanting (dreaming) of native FreeBSD running on the PPC-s. Not just PowerMacs (ok, so what that they are the dominant variety) but also CHRP and embedded PPC boards. For examples, look at PIOS-s page and Motorolas board products page. Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. From owner-freebsd-platforms Sun Oct 12 09:27:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA00644 for platforms-outgoing; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 09:27:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA00639 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 09:27:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA26412; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:26:42 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:26:41 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: "Pedro Giffuni S," cc: Douglas Carmichael , freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the PowerMac? In-Reply-To: <343F312A.386@asme.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 11 Oct 1997, Pedro Giffuni S, wrote: > Douglas Carmichael wrote: > > > > Could it be done by: > > > > 1) Porting the "Lites" single server (http://www.cs.hut.fi/lites.html) to PowerPC > > There is a newer version > http://www.cs.utah.edu/projects/flux/lites/html/ > > > 2) Running it under Mach (which is already used by MkLinux) > > There is a NetBSD project also, but I can't recall if it runs with Mach. > To be exact there are both NetBSD and OpenBSD projects in the work of porting to the PowerPC (OpenBSD-s came partially from NetBSD, and there are a number of diffrences (like the use of ELF)). As far as I know, none of these are based on Mach, both are native, at least to a point. There does not seem to be native drivers yet (OpenFirmware is used instead). > > 3) Making the whole "world" except the kernel and libraries from FreeBSD/i386. > > > > To be honest there is not much interest for this :(. The ALPHA port is > more interesting and I think Digital has offered some support for this. > The other platforms don't really seem to care at all. > There is (or at least seems to be) some interest in this, but it is latent at the moment - nothing much really going on, which could, to ceratin extent be attributed also as the cause for the lack of support. Sander > Pedro. > > From owner-freebsd-platforms Sun Oct 12 11:45:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA08618 for platforms-outgoing; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 11:45:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA08596; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 11:45:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (max19-249.HiWAAY.net [208.147.146.249]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA15839; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 13:45:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA05432; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 13:45:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199710121845.NAA05432@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG From: dkelly@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the PowerMac? In-reply-to: Message from Narvi of "Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:48:38 +0300." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 13:45:06 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If wanting Un*x on a PowerMac, I think the most likely solution will be to use BeOS or wait for Rhapsody. Both claim POSIX compliance and offer Un*x shells. The other advantage would be you can have your cake and eat it too, as you will have both Un*x and the native OS at the same time. Once Be and Apple provide the baseline, I'd hope for a port of all the good Un*x toys we all know and love. Similar to what was done for OS/2. Haven't heard any hints of an X for the new PowerMac OS's yet. Only time will tell how well this works. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-platforms Sun Oct 12 22:44:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA19560 for platforms-outgoing; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:44:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA19554; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:44:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (mail.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.21]) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA02430; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:44:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:44:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: dkelly@hiwaay.net cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the PowerMac? In-Reply-To: <199710121845.NAA05432@nospam.hiwaay.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 dkelly@hiwaay.net wrote: > If wanting Un*x on a PowerMac, I think the most likely solution will be > to use BeOS or wait for Rhapsody. Both claim POSIX compliance and offer > Un*x shells. The other advantage would be you can have your cake and > eat it too, as you will have both Un*x and the native OS at the same > time. > > Once Be and Apple provide the baseline, I'd hope for a port of all the > good Un*x toys we all know and love. Similar to what was done for OS/2. > Haven't heard any hints of an X for the new PowerMac OS's yet. > Last I heard Net/OPenBSD had support for PowerPC processors; it was a little shaky, and had some problems with bootup at some points, but it ran. I dunno; look at their respective websites, www.{open|net}bsd.org. > Only time will tell how well this works. > > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net > ===================================================================== > The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its > capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | FreeBSD; the way computers were meant to be | * FreeBSD: turning PCs into workstations * | Windows: turning workstations into typewriters | * fullermd@futuresouth.com :-} MAtthew Fuller * | http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From owner-freebsd-platforms Mon Oct 13 02:22:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA05652 for platforms-outgoing; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 02:22:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from usr08.primenet.com (tlambert@usr08.primenet.com [206.165.6.208]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA05645; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 02:22:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA21700; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 02:22:06 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199710130922.CAA21700@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the PowerMac? To: fullermd@futuresouth.com (Matthew D. Fuller) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:22:06 +0000 (GMT) Cc: dkelly@hiwaay.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Matthew D. Fuller" at Oct 13, 97 00:44:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Last I heard Net/OPenBSD had support for PowerPC processors; it was a > little shaky, and had some problems with bootup at some points, but it > ran. > I dunno; look at their respective websites, www.{open|net}bsd.org. They don't boot the PPCBug based machine I have access to... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-platforms Mon Oct 13 05:48:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA20438 for platforms-outgoing; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:48:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA20433; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:48:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: from section05 (morse.sarnoff.com [130.33.10.158]) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA23973; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:48:22 -0400 Received: by section05 (SMI-8.6/SECTION05-Client) id IAA18733; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:48:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:48:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@morse To: Douglas Carmichael cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the PowerMac? In-Reply-To: <199710102301.SAA00400@dcarmich.pr.mcs.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Douglas Carmichael wrote: > Could it be done by: > 1) Porting the "Lites" single server (http://www.cs.hut.fi/lites.html) to PowerPC > 2) Running it under Mach (which is already used by MkLinux) So run it slow under emulation when native-mode linux is available? what's the point? If it won't run as the kernel I can't see any reason to do this. > What would be a good name for this project? > MkFreeBSD, FreeBSD/PPC, FreeBSD/MK? Hmmm, we have netbsd/ppc, linux/ppc, and I assume openbsd/ppp. What does freebsd add? esp. when the last power-pc-based computers have been designed? ( the next generation of ppc will be in your car's engine, not on your desk. Thank You Know Who for that one). You're not losing much by optimizing for the pentium. At the rate we're going, it's the only architecture out there (anyone see that the Alpha is probably dead?) ron From owner-freebsd-platforms Mon Oct 13 11:47:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA14410 for platforms-outgoing; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:47:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from usr09.primenet.com (tlambert@usr09.primenet.com [206.165.6.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA14402; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:47:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA16555; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:46:07 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199710131846.LAA16555@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the PowerMac? To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:46:06 +0000 (GMT) Cc: dcarmich@mcs.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Ron G. Minnich" at Oct 13, 97 08:48:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hmmm, we have netbsd/ppc, linux/ppc, and I assume openbsd/ppp. What > does freebsd add? A unified VM with page coloring. Working install tools. Productization that the other camps ignore for lack of man-power. > esp. when the last power-pc-based computers have been designed? Your opinion. I don't think IBM can dump it's server line that quickly, and Motorola is still building PowerStack systems, FirePower is still building their boxes, etc.. > ( the next generation of ppc will be in your car's engine, not on > your desk. Thank You Know Who for that one). Thanks, Ford! > You're not losing much by optimizing for the pentium. At the rate > we're going, it's the only architecture out there (anyone see that > the Alpha is probably dead?) Do you think we would be working on such a vainglorious thing as a free UNIX clone if we were happy with "at the rate we're going"? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-platforms Mon Oct 13 17:33:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA06069 for platforms-outgoing; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:33:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA06025; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:33:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt2-241.HiWAAY.net [208.147.148.241]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA08293; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:33:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA10181; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:59:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199710132359.SAA10181@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG From: dkelly@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the PowerMac? In-reply-to: Message from Terry Lambert of "Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:46:06 -0000." <199710131846.LAA16555@usr09.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:59:28 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert writes: > > esp. when the last power-pc-based computers have been designed? > > Your opinion. I don't think IBM can dump it's server line that > quickly, and Motorola is still building PowerStack systems, FirePower > is still building their boxes, etc.. My opinion is the PowerPC is not dead. Alpha is treading on dangerous ground attempting to court Intel. Hot rumor yesterday on http://www.macosrumors.com was that Motorola and UMAX, unhappy with Apple's recent licensing about-face, were each preparing separate take over attempts. At the same time there is a move within Apple to merge or be bought out by Oracle in order to prevent Motorola or UMAX from being able to swallow them. Possibly the most interesting thing about that tidbit is today that site has been unreachable from my work or home connections. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-platforms Mon Oct 13 19:48:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA14586 for platforms-outgoing; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:48:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from azrael.uoregon.edu (azrael.uoregon.edu [128.223.194.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA14512; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:47:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wesman@azrael.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (wesman@localhost) by azrael.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA05323; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:48:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Wesley Horner Reply-To: wesman@oregon.uoregon.edu To: dkelly@hiwaay.net cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the PowerMac? In-Reply-To: <199710132359.SAA10181@nospam.hiwaay.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The reason macosrumors can't be reache is because of an Alternet problem. They aren't the only site that can't be reached. I would love to run freebsd on a ppc chip. wes ~~~~wesman@gladstone.uoregon.edu~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vax a viscious creature known to eat 110AC and quotes through its *DCL*. Vax are usually found in groups of Vaxen called clusters where they lay in wait to ravage thier prey known as users. On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 dkelly@hiwaay.net wrote: > Terry Lambert writes: > > > esp. when the last power-pc-based computers have been designed? > > > > Your opinion. I don't think IBM can dump it's server line that > > quickly, and Motorola is still building PowerStack systems, FirePower > > is still building their boxes, etc.. > > My opinion is the PowerPC is not dead. Alpha is treading on dangerous > ground attempting to court Intel. > > Hot rumor yesterday on http://www.macosrumors.com was that Motorola > and UMAX, unhappy with Apple's recent licensing about-face, were each > preparing separate take over attempts. At the same time there is a > move within Apple to merge or be bought out by Oracle in order to > prevent Motorola or UMAX from being able to swallow them. > > Possibly the most interesting thing about that tidbit is today that > site has been unreachable from my work or home connections. > > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net > ===================================================================== > The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its > capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. > > > From owner-freebsd-platforms Mon Oct 13 20:57:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA18513 for platforms-outgoing; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:57:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from whizzo.TransSys.COM (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA18503; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:57:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.TransSys.COM) Received: from whizzo.TransSys.COM (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.TransSys.COM (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA11403; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710140357.XAA11403@whizzo.TransSys.COM> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: wesman@oregon.uoregon.edu cc: dkelly@hiwaay.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the PowerMac? References: In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:48:00 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:57:16 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The reason macosrumors can't be reache is because of an Alternet problem. > They aren't the only site that can't be reached. I would love to run > freebsd on a ppc chip. Uh, the path across Alternet looks OK; the trace stops at what appears to be the one hop beyond the router which connects to Alternet: # traceroute www.macosrumors.com traceroute to www.macosrumors.com (204.193.135.146), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 Alternet-GW (144.202.42.1) 2.164 ms 1.988 ms 2.068 ms 2 Loopback0.BR1.DCA1.Alter.Net (137.39.2.211) 8.099 ms 12.902 ms 5.757 ms 3 101.ATM11-0-0.XR1.DCA1.ALTER.NET (137.39.64.78) 5.757 ms 5.652 ms 12.317 ms 4 195.ATM2-0-0.CR1.TCO1.ALTER.NET (137.39.64.205) 9.790 ms 6.827 ms 18.972 ms 5 315.ATM1-0-0.GW1.TCO1.Alter.Net (137.39.74.54) 9.770 ms 6.613 ms 7.039 ms 6 digitalNATION-gw.customer.ALTER.NET (157.130.32.210) 68.250 ms 63.207 ms 75.585 ms 7 * * * 8 *^C From owner-freebsd-platforms Tue Oct 14 12:12:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA11054 for platforms-outgoing; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:12:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA11044; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:12:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA09724; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:11:41 +0300 (EEST) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:11:41 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: "Ron G. Minnich" cc: Douglas Carmichael , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the PowerMac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Ron G. Minnich wrote: > On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Douglas Carmichael wrote: > > Could it be done by: > > 1) Porting the "Lites" single server (http://www.cs.hut.fi/lites.html) to PowerPC > > 2) Running it under Mach (which is already used by MkLinux) > So run it slow under emulation when native-mode linux is available? > what's the point? If it won't run as the kernel I can't see any > reason to do this. As I remember, Mach (for any "foreign" platform) came up sometime last year and it was definately decided to not go taht way, or has my memory gone fuzzy? > > What would be a good name for this project? > > MkFreeBSD, FreeBSD/PPC, FreeBSD/MK? > Hmmm, we have netbsd/ppc, linux/ppc, and I assume openbsd/ppp. What > does freebsd add? esp. when the last power-pc-based computers have FreeBSD on PPC would have the same benefits as FreeBSD on Intel? > been designed? ( the next generation of ppc will be in your car's engine, PPC computers? Well, starmax 6000 was designed sometime this summer (yes, it did not make it to selling), PIOS is designing and will continue to do so, then there are certainly PowerMacs (by Apple, and I do expect Apple to continue to build PPC based computers, and cloners still alive), IBM and last but not least Motorola - out of Mac clone buisness, it still does make *computers* with PPC chips (running AIX for example), embedded motherboards (could you have 64bit PCI for your penium?) and VME boards, and most probably will continue. Besides, PPC is likely to be the next 68K - everywhere and in everywhere's closet. Not too bad platform to be available for. > not on your desk. Thank You Know Who for that one). You're not losing much > by optimizing for the pentium. At the rate we're going, it's the only > architecture out there (anyone see that the Alpha is probably dead?) > Heh. IA-64 port anyone? > > ron > Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Oct 15 05:48:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA09130 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 05:48:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (root@mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA09090; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 05:48:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gad@mlor.its.rpi.edu) Received: from mlor.its.rpi.edu (mlor.its.rpi.edu [128.113.24.92]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA79068; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:48:15 -0400 Received: by mlor.its.rpi.edu (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M) id AA00448; Wed, 15 Oct 97 08:48:07 -0400 Message-Id: <9710151248.AA00448@mlor.its.rpi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Garance A Drosehn Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 08:48:05 -0400 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for VirtualPC? (on the PowerMac) Reply-To: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu References: <199710102301.SAA00400@dcarmich.pr.mcs.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id FAA09098 Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On the subject of: FreeBSD for the PowerMac? Douglas Carmichael asks: > Could it be done by: > > 1) Porting the "Lites" single server (http://www.cs.hut.fi/lites.html) > to PowerPC > 2) Running it under Mach (which is already used by MkLinux) > 3) Making the whole "world" except the kernel and libraries from > FreeBSD/i386. > > What would be a good name for this project? > MkFreeBSD, FreeBSD/PPC, FreeBSD/MK? First off, I'd like to say I'd be interested in a FreeBSD/PPC if such an option existed... Secondly, I was wondering if FreeBSD will work under VirtualPC. I remember someone trying it and finding a bug in the VirtualPC emulation. VirtualPC was recently updated, and I was wondering if anyone had tried FreeBSD after that update. (the release notes for the VirtualPC upgrade have nothing that suggests this bug was fixed, but that may be just because they don't claim to officially support FreeBSD at the moment). --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Oct 15 05:59:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA10460 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 05:59:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (root@mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA10427; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 05:58:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gad@mlor.its.rpi.edu) Received: from mlor.its.rpi.edu (mlor.its.rpi.edu [128.113.24.92]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA21584; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:58:49 -0400 Received: by mlor.its.rpi.edu (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M) id AA00460; Wed, 15 Oct 97 08:58:41 -0400 Message-Id: <9710151258.AA00460@mlor.its.rpi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Garance A Drosehn Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 08:58:40 -0400 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the PowerMac? Reply-To: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id FAA10428 Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Ron G. Minnich wrote: > Hmmm, we have netbsd/ppc, linux/ppc, and I assume openbsd/ppp. > What does freebsd add? esp. when the last power-pc-based computers > have been designed? a) If you feel freeBSD/PPC has nothing to offer, then why bother running FreeBSD on Intel-ish chips? There's a lot more operating systems on Intel-ish chips than there are on PPC, so FreeBSD must have even less to offer there. b) the "last" PPC computers have not been designed yet. c) I, for one, would be quite interested in FreeBSD/PPC (assuming someone else does most of the work... :-). On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 dkelly@hiwaay.net wrote: > Hot rumor yesterday on http://www.macosrumors.com was that Motorola > and UMAX, unhappy with Apple's recent licensing about-face, were > each preparing separate take over attempts. At the same time > there is a move within Apple to merge or be bought out by Oracle > in order to prevent Motorola or UMAX from being able to swallow > them. > > Possibly the most interesting thing about that tidbit is today > that site has been unreachable from my work or home connections. If you check the MacInTouch site, they have a blurb saying that the macosrumours site is moving to a new ISP. So, they may be unreachable for a day or two. THis has nothing much to do with the rumour-of-the-day. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer (MIME & NeXTmail capable) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Oct 15 06:39:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA14560 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:39:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp20.portal.net.au [202.12.71.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA14448; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:38:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00681; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:04:37 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199710151334.XAA00681@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for VirtualPC? (on the PowerMac) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:48:05 -0400." <9710151248.AA00448@mlor.its.rpi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:04:36 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Secondly, I was wondering if FreeBSD will work under VirtualPC. > I remember someone trying it and finding a bug in the VirtualPC > emulation. VirtualPC was recently updated, and I was wondering > if anyone had tried FreeBSD after that update. (the release notes > for the VirtualPC upgrade have nothing that suggests this bug was > fixed, but that may be just because they don't claim to officially > support FreeBSD at the moment). Yes, it works just fine. The bug was identified and fixed by Connectix about a day after it was identified. If you are interested in a PC emulator for the Mac, this one looks pretty hot. mike From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Oct 15 07:00:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA16132 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:00:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA16117 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:00:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA17506; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:00:09 -0700 (PDT) To: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu cc: freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the PowerMac? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:58:40 EDT." <9710151258.AA00460@mlor.its.rpi.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:00:09 -0700 Message-ID: <17502.876924009@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Redirected to FreeBSD-platforms; only *one* mailing list at a time, if you please!] > a) If you feel freeBSD/PPC has nothing to offer, then why bother > running FreeBSD on Intel-ish chips? There's a lot more I think you may have missed his point. He was simply trying to say that there's no point in investing all the time, effort and maintainance costs into going to another platform where we can't really offer anything new. We have a lot to offer on the Intel platform and *we're already there*, which counts for one heck of a lot when you are the one who gets to do all the work. With the possible exception of certain strategic platforms like ALPHA, I don't see the point in putting a lot of project resources into non-x86 architectures. We simply have a lot of better things we could be doing with those resources and ALPHA itself is strategic not even so much for what they represent as a "market" as what they do as a test bed, helping us to weed out the 64 bit issues in our code base well before Intel finally forces us to go in that direction with Merced or whatever it is that they eventually come up with. :) > c) I, for one, would be quite interested in FreeBSD/PPC (assuming > someone else does most of the work... :-). But then that's the case for so many things, isn't it? :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Oct 15 07:21:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA17731 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from css.tuu.utas.edu.au (acs@css.tuu.utas.edu.au [131.217.115.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA17723; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:21:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@ugh.net.au) From: andrew@ugh.net.au Received: from localhost (acs@localhost) by css.tuu.utas.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA06672; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:20:49 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: depravitas.tuu.utas.edu.au: acs owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:20:49 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: andrew@ugh.net.au To: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Custom boot.flp (was Re: FreeBSD for VirtualPC? (on the PowerMac)) In-Reply-To: <9710151248.AA00448@mlor.its.rpi.edu> Message-ID: X-Meaning-of-Life: none X-WonK: *wibble* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Garance A Drosehn wrote: > Secondly, I was wondering if FreeBSD will work under VirtualPC. I beleive yes. > I remember someone trying it and finding a bug in the VirtualPC > emulation. VirtualPC was recently updated, and I was wondering > if anyone had tried FreeBSD after that update. (the release notes > for the VirtualPC upgrade have nothing that suggests this bug was > fixed, but that may be just because they don't claim to officially > support FreeBSD at the moment). I think it works if you can make an installer disk with a kernel that dosn't know about Pentiums. I am trying to do this at this very moment. In fact I have a message to questions postponed asking how to do it :-) I got some help from jkh on IRC but still cant do it (I know its probably obvious). Does someone have step by step instructions on how to od this? I tried using /usr/src/release/doFS.sh but found that the system didn't like disklabel a vn0 device with a boot record. I cant actually do it to a floppy as i dont have access to the floppy drive. Once i get it going I will use dd, ftp it to a DOS box...there must be one somewhere...and use rawrite. Thanks, Andrew From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Oct 15 16:48:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA19005 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:48:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from sequoia.lituus.fr (ppp85.hol.fr [195.154.2.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA18985 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:48:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@sequoia.lituus.fr) Received: from sequoia.lituus.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sequoia.lituus.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00560 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:22:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199710152122.XAA00560@sequoia.lituus.fr> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:22:24 +0200 (CEST) From: stephane@lituus.fr Reply-To: stephane@lituus.fr Subject: Re: FreeBSD for VirtualPC? (on the PowerMac) To: freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199710151334.XAA00681@word.smith.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 15 Oct , Mike Smith wrote: >> >> Secondly, I was wondering if FreeBSD will work under VirtualPC. >> I remember someone trying it and finding a bug in the VirtualPC >> emulation. VirtualPC was recently updated, and I was wondering >> if anyone had tried FreeBSD after that update. (the release notes >> for the VirtualPC upgrade have nothing that suggests this bug was >> fixed, but that may be just because they don't claim to officially >> support FreeBSD at the moment). > > Yes, it works just fine. The bug was identified and fixed by Connectix > about a day after it was identified. > > If you are interested in a PC emulator for the Mac, this one looks > pretty hot. > Did you have personnally try FreeBSD on VirtualPC ? And, if yes, had you try some benchmarks, try XFree86, try some SCSI devices... ? I would like to know if you can completely forget that you are not on a real PC :) -- ** Je recherche un emploi dans le domaine de l'informatique ** Pour consulter mon CV -> http://www.lituus.fr/stephane/ // // Do you want a real, free OS : go to http://www.freebsd.org/ // And stop using Micro$oft softwares NOW ! From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Oct 15 18:10:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA23656 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:10:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from free.rahul.net (free.rahul.net [192.160.13.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA23651 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:10:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Pete.Delaney@rockymountain.rahul.net) Received: from 54.rahul.net [192.160.13.54] by free.rahul.net with smtp (Exim 1.71 #5) id 0xLeSZ-0002bP-00; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:10:44 -0700 Received: by RockyMountain.rahul.net id AA04546 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:10:40 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:10:40 -0700 From: Pete Delaney Message-Id: <199710160110.AA04546@RockyMountain.rahul.net> To: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu, jkh@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the PowerMac? Cc: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > [Redirected to FreeBSD-platforms; only *one* mailing list at a time, > if you please!] > > > a) If you feel freeBSD/PPC has nothing to offer, then why bother > > running FreeBSD on Intel-ish chips? There's a lot more > > I think you may have missed his point. He was simply trying to say > that there's no point in investing all the time, effort and > maintainance costs into going to another platform where we can't > really offer anything new. We have a lot to offer on the Intel > platform and *we're already there*, which counts for one heck of a lot > when you are the one who gets to do all the work. > > With the possible exception of certain strategic platforms like ALPHA, > I don't see the point in putting a lot of project resources into > non-x86 architectures. We simply have a lot of better things we could > be doing with those resources and ALPHA itself is strategic not even > so much for what they represent as a "market" as what they do as a > test bed, helping us to weed out the 64 bit issues in our code base > well before Intel finally forces us to go in that direction with > Merced or whatever it is that they eventually come up with. :) > > > c) I, for one, would be quite interested in FreeBSD/PPC (assuming > > someone else does most of the work... :-). > > But then that's the case for so many things, isn't it? :-) > > Jordan > OpenBSD and NetBSD are worth considering. -piet From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Oct 15 18:20:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA24105 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:20:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from acm.poly.edu (moe@acm.poly.edu [128.238.9.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA24100 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:20:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from moe@acm.poly.edu) Received: from localhost (moe@localhost) by acm.poly.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA10194 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:24:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:24:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Mohamed Aboshihata To: platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Hi :) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a problems in getting FreeBSD installed, I've ran into a problem when i was running the installaion disk, I get the Boot: prompt and then waited for the menue, I tried to trim down devices that I don't have then when i was done and ran the kernel I got an error it says apm0 disabled, not probed Now, the machine i'm trying to install in is an IBM PS/2 model 77 ( 486DX2 66MHZ with an I/O MCA BUS and a Future Domain Scsi drive with 16mb ram ) I read in one of your manuals that there is no support for MCA bus ( is it still not suported? ) if so how can i overcome this? I have some unix and c++ experiance, you think i should go for making my own kernel? Thanx i would appreciate a response as soon as possible. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Mohamed Aboshihata ( Moe ) Association of Computer Machinery Pager: 917-354-7199 Phone: 718-260-3214 E-mail: moe@acm.poly.edu #@!#@!#@!#@!#@!#@!#@!#@!#@!#@!#@!#@!#@!#@!#@!#@!#@!#@!#@!#@!#@!#@!#@ It is neither wealth nor splendor, but tranquility and occupation, that give happiness. - Thomas Jefferson \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Oct 15 20:17:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA29612 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:17:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from word.smith.net.au (word.smith.net.au [202.0.75.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA29607 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:17:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02698; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:42:29 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199710160112.KAA02698@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: stephane@lituus.fr cc: freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for VirtualPC? (on the PowerMac) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:22:24 +0200." <199710152122.XAA00560@sequoia.lituus.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:42:27 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > If you are interested in a PC emulator for the Mac, this one looks > > pretty hot. > > > > Did you have personnally try FreeBSD on VirtualPC ? And, if yes, had > you try some benchmarks, try XFree86, try some SCSI devices... ? I > would like to know if you can completely forget that you are not on a > real PC :) Nope, sorry. It sounds like you can come pretty close though. mike From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Oct 15 21:36:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA03475 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:36:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from word.smith.net.au (word.smith.net.au [202.0.75.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA03461; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:36:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.smith.net.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00746; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:02:07 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199710160432.OAA00746@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: andrew@ugh.net.au cc: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Custom boot.flp (was Re: FreeBSD for VirtualPC? (on the PowerMac)) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:20:49 +1100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:02:06 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Garance A Drosehn wrote: > > > Secondly, I was wondering if FreeBSD will work under VirtualPC. > > I beleive yes. ... > I think it works if you can make an installer disk with a kernel that > dosn't know about Pentiums. You don't need to do this, if you have patched VPC up to date; the problem with the Pentium HRT was fixed a long time ago. If you try to run a non-Pentium kernel on the VPC, it will panic on your anyway, as the VPC _is_ a Pentium. mike From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Oct 15 22:37:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA06042 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:37:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from azrael.uoregon.edu (azrael.uoregon.edu [128.223.194.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA06037 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:37:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wesman@azrael.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (wesman@localhost) by azrael.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA09334; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:37:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Wesley Horner Reply-To: wesman@oregon.uoregon.edu To: Mike Smith cc: stephane@lituus.fr, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for VirtualPC? (on the PowerMac) In-Reply-To: <199710160112.KAA02698@word.smith.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We have been trying all night and the installer crashed in different places every time. we think it's an incompatability with the power comuting (non apple) cdrom drive and driver. We are about to try a different machine. We'll keep you posted. wes ~~~~wesman@gladstone.uoregon.edu~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vax a viscious creature known to eat 110AC and quotes through its *DCL*. Vax are usually found in groups of Vaxen called clusters where they lay in wait to ravage thier prey known as users. On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Mike Smith wrote: > > > If you are interested in a PC emulator for the Mac, this one looks > > > pretty hot. > > > > > > > Did you have personnally try FreeBSD on VirtualPC ? And, if yes, had > > you try some benchmarks, try XFree86, try some SCSI devices... ? I > > would like to know if you can completely forget that you are not on a > > real PC :) > > Nope, sorry. It sounds like you can come pretty close though. > > mike > > >