From owner-freebsd-platforms Tue Dec 16 11:24:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA21197 for platforms-outgoing; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:24:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from shell.minotaur.net (shell.minotaur.net [209.70.17.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA21188 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:24:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@minotaur.net) Received: (qmail 6209 invoked from network); 16 Dec 1997 19:36:17 -0000 Received: from roaming.minotaur.net (HELO roaming) (209.70.17.251) by shell.minotaur.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 1997 19:36:17 -0000 Reply-To: "Jon E. Mitchiner" From: "Jon E. Mitchiner" To: Subject: Digital Alpha Port Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:24:28 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd0a58$3a100490$fb1146d1@roaming.minotaur.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi -- I'm wondering if there is any work being done on the Digital Alpha port of FreeBSD on the 21164 chip (e.g. the 164SX/164LX motherboards)? I have a 164SX and will also get a 164LX sometime in the near future and would love to run FreeBSD on it instead of going with something like Linux or NetBSD. I understand it's being worked on and would be happy to help out with the betatesting of the kernels/etc if more betatesters are needed. Thanks! Jon From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Dec 17 03:33:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA02065 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 03:33:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from mailhub (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA02056 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 03:33:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from schizo.dk.tfs.com by mailhub (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id DAA25119; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 03:25:20 -0800 Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.dk.tfs.com [140.145.230.252]) by schizo.dk.tfs.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24740; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:31:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.dk.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA01571; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:29:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: "Jon E. Mitchiner" cc: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Digital Alpha Port In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:24:28 EST." <01bd0a58$3a100490$fb1146d1@roaming.minotaur.net> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:29:28 +0100 Message-ID: <1569.882358168@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <01bd0a58$3a100490$fb1146d1@roaming.minotaur.net>, "Jon E. Mitchiner " writes: >Hi -- > >I'm wondering if there is any work being done on the Digital Alpha port of >FreeBSD on the 21164 chip (e.g. the 164SX/164LX motherboards)? I have a 164 >SX >and will also get a 164LX sometime in the near future and would love to run >FreeBSD on it instead of going with something like Linux or NetBSD. > >I understand it's being worked on and would be happy to help out with the >betatesting of the kernels/etc if more betatesters are needed. We're not even close to that yet, but I've saved your address, and intend to use it :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Dec 17 08:20:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA21858 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:20:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from micro.internexus.net (root@internexus.net [206.152.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA21851 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:20:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cliff@cliffsworld.com) Received: from mother (ppp44.internexus.net [206.152.14.236]) by micro.internexus.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA16466 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:20:04 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971217111757.00a8d290@mail.internexus.net> X-Sender: compatriot@mail.internexus.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:17:57 +0000 To: freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG From: cliff ainsworth III Subject: platforms question In-Reply-To: <1569.882358168@critter.freebsd.dk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just a few questions for curiosity sake. What non-PC platforms does FreeBSD work on? What alternate platforms are under development? And what platforms are being considered for the future, assuming there are volunteers to work on them? thanx, -cliff /=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\ PGP v5.0 public key "Those of you that renounce this superstitious and hysterical belief in users will be eligible to join the Warrior Elite of the M.C.P." -Tron 1982 \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Dec 17 09:49:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA27592 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:49:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from super.zippo.com (perry.zippo.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA27585 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:49:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reyesf@super.zippo.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by super.zippo.com (8.8.6/8.8.7) id JAA09645; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:49:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712171749.JAA09645@super.zippo.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "cliff ainsworth III" , "freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Wed, 17 Dec 97 12:51:18 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: platforms question Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:17:57 +0000, cliff ainsworth III wrote: I will take a shot at this. Hopefully others will correct/expand on my note. >What non-PC platforms does FreeBSD work on? None. >What alternate platforms are under development? -Alpha. From what I have read they have not got very far on this one. -Sparc. One of Sun's hardware divisions has commited one person to work on porting FreeBSD to Sparc. >And what platforms are being considered for the future, >assuming there are volunteers to work on them? The only other platform I have read there was some interest is PowerPC. From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Dec 17 11:18:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA03960 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:18:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA03949 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:18:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11835; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:18:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpda11809; Wed Dec 17 12:18:37 1997 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04355; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:18:35 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199712171918.MAA04355@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: platforms question To: reyesf@super.zippo.com Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:18:35 +0000 (GMT) Cc: cliff@cliffsworld.com, freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199712171749.JAA09645@super.zippo.com> from "Francisco Reyes" at Dec 17, 97 12:51:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I will take a shot at this. Hopefully others will correct/expand on > my note. > > >What non-PC platforms does FreeBSD work on? > > None. NEC PC98 > >What alternate platforms are under development? > > -Alpha. From what I have read they have not got very far on this one. > -Sparc. One of Sun's hardware divisions has commited one person to > work on porting FreeBSD to Sparc. > > >And what platforms are being considered for the future, > >assuming there are volunteers to work on them? > > The only other platform I have read there was some interest is > PowerPC. I'm personally interested in HP3xx/HP4xx/Macintosh/Amiga (68030/68040). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Dec 17 12:10:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA08741 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:10:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from iafnl.es.iaf.nl (uucp@iafnl.es.iaf.nl [195.108.17.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA08689 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:10:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA18511 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG); Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:09:24 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.5/8.6.12) id TAA01261; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:18:20 +0100 (MET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199712171818.TAA01261@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: Digital Alpha Port To: phk@critter.freebsd.dk (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:18:20 +0100 (MET) Cc: jon@minotaur.net, freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <1569.882358168@critter.freebsd.dk> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Dec 17, 97 12:29:28 pm X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Poul-Henning Kamp wrote... > > In message <01bd0a58$3a100490$fb1146d1@roaming.minotaur.net>, "Jon E. Mitchiner > " writes: > >Hi -- > > > >I'm wondering if there is any work being done on the Digital Alpha port of > >FreeBSD on the 21164 chip (e.g. the 164SX/164LX motherboards)? I have a 164 > >SX > >and will also get a 164LX sometime in the near future and would love to run > >FreeBSD on it instead of going with something like Linux or NetBSD. > > > >I understand it's being worked on and would be happy to help out with the > >betatesting of the kernels/etc if more betatesters are needed. > > We're not even close to that yet, but I've saved your address, and intend > to use it :-) If you're collecting a hardware overview: I have both an AXPpci33 ('NoName') and an DEC2000/300 aka AXP150 ('Jensen') sitting here. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl http://www.tcja.nl/~wilko |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands - Do, or do not. There is no 'try' ---------------- Support your local daemons: run [Free,Net]BSD Unix ------ From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Dec 17 12:30:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA10559 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:30:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from super.zippo.com (perry.zippo.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA10554 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:30:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reyesf@super.zippo.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by super.zippo.com (8.8.6/8.8.7) id MAA23344; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:30:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712172030.MAA23344@super.zippo.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org" , "Terry Lambert" Date: Wed, 17 Dec 97 15:32:41 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: platforms question Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:18:35 +0000 (GMT), Terry Lambert wrote: >> I will take a shot at this. Hopefully others will correct/expand on >> my note. >> >> >What non-PC platforms does FreeBSD work on? >> >> None. > >NEC PC98 What is that CPU? Had never heard of it. Is there a current port to it or was it ported at one point in time? From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Dec 17 13:21:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA14661 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:21:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA14636 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:21:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0xiQtn-00012v-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:20:59 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA07047; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:21:14 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199712172121.OAA07047@harmony.village.org> To: "Francisco Reyes" Subject: Re: platforms question Cc: "freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org" , "Terry Lambert" In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:32:41." <199712172030.MAA23344@super.zippo.com> References: <199712172030.MAA23344@super.zippo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:21:14 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199712172030.MAA23344@super.zippo.com> "Francisco Reyes" writes: : >NEC PC98 : : What is that CPU? Had never heard of it. : Is there a current port to it or was it ported at one point in time? : NEC PC98 is a older technology used in japan to deliver Intel processors to the desktop. Support for it is already in the FreeBSD tree under pc98. Warner From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Dec 17 17:50:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA05725 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:50:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA05720 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:50:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17308; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:49:48 -0200 (EDT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199712180149.XAA17308@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: platforms question In-Reply-To: <199712171918.MAA04355@usr02.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "Dec 17, 97 07:18:35 pm" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:49:48 -0200 (EDT) Cc: reyesf@super.zippo.com, cliff@cliffsworld.com, freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk #define quoting(Terry Lambert) // > >And what platforms are being considered for the future, // > >assuming there are volunteers to work on them? // > // > The only other platform I have read there was some interest is // > PowerPC. // // I'm personally interested in HP3xx/HP4xx/Macintosh/Amiga (68030/68040). I know lots of people who would happily change their AIX systems for any *BSD that could run on those machines. Unfortunatly, none of them has the knowledge in software or hardware to do a port. :( Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Dec 17 21:31:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA19683 for platforms-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:31:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (dynamic26.pm03.sf3d.best.com [209.24.234.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA19677 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:31:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id UAA06908; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:38:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19971217203808.35584@mooseriver.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:38:08 -0800 From: Josef Grosch To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Subject: Re: platforms question Reply-To: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com References: <199712171749.JAA09645@super.zippo.com> <199712171918.MAA04355@usr02.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 In-Reply-To: <199712171918.MAA04355@usr02.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Wed, Dec 17, 1997 at 07:18:35PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Dec 17, 1997 at 07:18:35PM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: [ DELETED ] > > >What alternate platforms are under development? > > [ DELETED ] > I'm personally interested in HP3xx/HP4xx/Macintosh/Amiga (68030/68040). Terry, are you planing on running a computer museum ? ;-) Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.5 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Dec 18 00:53:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA02426 for platforms-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:53:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA02415 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:53:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03629; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 01:53:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd003611; Thu Dec 18 01:53:11 1997 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA06762; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 01:53:08 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199712180853.BAA06762@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: platforms question To: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:53:08 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <19971217203808.35584@mooseriver.com> from "Josef Grosch" at Dec 17, 97 08:38:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > >What alternate platforms are under development? > > [ DELETED ] > > > I'm personally interested in HP3xx/HP4xx/Macintosh/Amiga (68030/68040). > > Terry, are you planing on running a computer museum ? ;-) No, I'm planning on running BSD. 8-) 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Dec 18 01:08:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA03351 for platforms-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 01:08:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from gatekeeper.ukrv.de (gatekeeper.ukrv.de [193.175.72.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA03346 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 01:08:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uwp@ukrv.de) Received: by gatekeeper.ukrv.de; (5.65/1.1.8.2/17Oct95-0336PM) id AA10813; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:06:30 +0100 Received: from mailhost(193.175.66.33) by gatekeeper.ukrv.de via smap (V1.3-JSC) id sma012897; Thu Dec 18 10:06:05 1997 Received: from postamt1.ukrv.de by mailhost.ukrv.de; (5.65/1.1.8.2/08Mar95-0213PM) id AA15330; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:06:04 +0100 Received: by postamt1.ukrv.de; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0231PM) id AA23984; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:05:59 +0100 From: Udo Wolter Message-Id: <9712180905.AA23984@postamt1.ukrv.de> Subject: Re: platforms question In-Reply-To: <199712171749.JAA09645@super.zippo.com> from Francisco Reyes at "Dec 17, 97 12:51:18 pm" To: reyesf@super.zippo.com Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:05:59 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >What alternate platforms are under development? > > -Sparc. One of Sun's hardware divisions has commited one person to > work on porting FreeBSD to Sparc. Do you mean, Sun will develop an own implementation of FreeBSD ? Back to SunOS again (yes, PLEASE ! Solaris sucks...) ? Will they sell it ? Any more Infos ? Bye, Udo -- Udo Wolter, email: uwp@cs.tu-berlin.de !!! LOW-TECH Page: http://LOW-TECH.home.ml.org !!! From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Dec 18 01:17:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA04069 for platforms-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 01:17:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from super.zippo.com (perry.zippo.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA04064 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 01:17:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reyesf@super.zippo.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by super.zippo.com (8.8.6/8.8.7) id BAA23701; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 01:17:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712180917.BAA23701@super.zippo.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Udo Wolter" Cc: "freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 04:17:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: platforms question Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:05:59 +0100 (MET), Udo Wolter wrote: >Do you mean, Sun will develop an own implementation of FreeBSD ? Back to >SunOS again (yes, PLEASE ! Solaris sucks...) ? Will they sell it ? > >Any more Infos ? I don't think the BSD license will allow Sun to "own" the port. Besides this Sun division doesn't care (harware division) about making money on the software they want to sale more Sparcs. My take once the port is up to a reasonable state that it will be back to the volunteers. From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Dec 18 03:51:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA11867 for platforms-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 03:51:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA11854 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 03:51:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA00734; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 06:50:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199712181150.GAA00734@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: platforms question In-Reply-To: <199712180917.BAA23701@super.zippo.com> from Francisco Reyes at "Dec 18, 97 04:17:13 am" To: reyesf@super.zippo.com Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 06:50:43 -0500 (EST) Cc: uwp@ukrv.de, freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Francisco Reyes said: > On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:05:59 +0100 (MET), Udo Wolter wrote: > > >Do you mean, Sun will develop an own implementation of FreeBSD ? Back to > >SunOS again (yes, PLEASE ! Solaris sucks...) ? Will they sell it ? > > > >Any more Infos ? > > > I don't think the BSD license will allow Sun to "own" the port. > Besides this Sun division doesn't care (harware division) about > making money on the software they want to sale more Sparcs. My take > once the port is up to a reasonable state that it will be back to the > volunteers. > Actually, I think that Sun could theoretically grab it and hide it away (paraphrasing our GPL friends.) They won't though, due to Sun Microelectronics not being in the OS business. They want to sell chips. The freer the OS, the cheaper the price to use the chips. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Dec 18 19:19:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA15433 for platforms-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:19:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from set.spradley.dyn.ml.org (fcn105-84.tmi.net [207.170.105.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA15425 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:19:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tsprad@spradley.dyn.ml.org) Received: from set.spradley.dyn.ml.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by set.spradley.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA28463; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:49:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.dyn.ml.org) Message-Id: <199712190349.VAA28463@set.spradley.dyn.ml.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: port-alpha@netbsd.org, misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Subject: DEC Alpha XL 366, can it run BSD? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:49:02 -0600 From: Ted Spradley Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just found out I'm going to have a happy Christmas indeed. My wife was playing at an internet auction and accidentally bought a Digital XL 366 Alpha, model no. SN-A23AA. Unfortunately, it comes with (gag!) WinNT. Please, tell me I can install BSD on this thing without being a certified kernel hacker. It's a 366 MHz 21164 with PCI and ISA bus slots, comes with a Matrox Millenium video adapter. I seem to recall from lurking on Alpha-BSD mailing lists in years past that there was an issue with Alphas configured to run NT not being able to boot BSD, you had to have boot ROMS configured for Digital Unix. I hope that's not still a problem. Anything else I need to be aware of? Thanks in advance for any advice you can give to one who is about to make the transition from 64-bit wannabe to 64-bit newbie. From owner-freebsd-platforms Fri Dec 19 02:23:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA09604 for platforms-outgoing; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 02:23:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from tecumseh.altavista-software.com (tecumseh.altavista-software.com [205.181.164.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA09594 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 02:23:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@3am-software.com) Received: from nowin (1Cust70.max3.boston.ma.ms.uu.net [153.35.70.198]) by tecumseh.altavista-software.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA28417; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 05:16:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971219051221.00a0b250@ranier.altavista-software.com> X-Sender: 3ampop@ranier.altavista-software.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 05:12:21 -0500 To: Ted Spradley From: Matt Thomas Subject: Re: DEC Alpha XL 366, can it run BSD? Cc: port-alpha@netbsd.org, misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199712190349.VAA28463@set.spradley.dyn.ml.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:49 PM 12/18/97 -0600, you wrote: >I just found out I'm going to have a happy Christmas indeed. My wife was >playing at an internet auction and accidentally bought a Digital XL 366 Alpha, >model no. SN-A23AA. > >Unfortunately, it comes with (gag!) WinNT. Please, tell me I can install BSD >on this thing without being a certified kernel hacker. Nope. You can't. The XL doesn't have an SRM console available for it and NetBSD needs an SRM console. -- Matt Thomas Internet: matt@3am-software.com 3am Software Foundry WWW URL: http://www.3am-software.com/bio/matt/ Nashua, NH Disclaimer: I disavow all knowledge of this message From owner-freebsd-platforms Fri Dec 19 07:22:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA23326 for platforms-outgoing; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 07:22:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from kednos.com (gunn.kednos.com [198.68.96.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA23316 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 07:22:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@kednos.com) Received: by kednos.com; (5.57/1.1.8.2/19Sep94-0756PM) id AA18822; Fri, 19 Dec 97 07:25:43 -0800 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 07:25:34 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Linden To: Matt Thomas Cc: Ted Spradley , port-alpha@netbsd.org, misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DEC Alpha XL 366, can it run BSD? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19971219051221.00a0b250@ranier.altavista-software.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I thought some of the XL's also had SRM. My 266 doesn't as the flash is only 512K. So with the ARC console you have only two options, NT or Linux. There was some discussion a while back about supporting ARC only machines, maybe using milo. Is anybody currently working on this? On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, Matt Thomas wrote: > At 09:49 PM 12/18/97 -0600, you wrote: > >I just found out I'm going to have a happy Christmas indeed. My wife was > >playing at an internet auction and accidentally bought a Digital XL 366 Alpha, > >model no. SN-A23AA. > > > >Unfortunately, it comes with (gag!) WinNT. Please, tell me I can install BSD > >on this thing without being a certified kernel hacker. > > Nope. You can't. The XL doesn't have an SRM console available for it and > NetBSD needs an SRM console. > -- > Matt Thomas Internet: matt@3am-software.com > 3am Software Foundry WWW URL: http://www.3am-software.com/bio/matt/ > Nashua, NH Disclaimer: I disavow all knowledge of this message > From owner-freebsd-platforms Fri Dec 19 13:52:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA21973 for platforms-outgoing; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 13:52:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA21942 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 13:51:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24991; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:51:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd024930; Fri Dec 19 14:51:32 1997 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA16996; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:51:27 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199712192151.OAA16996@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: DEC Alpha XL 366, can it run BSD? To: matt@3am-software.com (Matt Thomas) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:51:27 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tsprad@Metronet.com, port-alpha@netbsd.org, misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19971219051221.00a0b250@ranier.altavista-software.com> from "Matt Thomas" at Dec 19, 97 05:12:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >I just found out I'm going to have a happy Christmas indeed. My > >wife was playing at an internet auction and accidentally bought a > >Digital XL 366 Alpha, model no. SN-A23AA. > > > >Unfortunately, it comes with (gag!) WinNT. Please, tell me I can > >install BSD on this thing without being a certified kernel hacker. > > Nope. You can't. The XL doesn't have an SRM console available for it and > NetBSD needs an SRM console. One of the baseline requirements for the FreeBSD Alpha port was supposed to be the ability to run on an ARC console. There are a couple of things that FreeBSD wants to do that the ARC console doesn't support very well. I think initially, the support will be for SRM, though... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-platforms Sat Dec 20 10:11:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA01613 for platforms-outgoing; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:11:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-platforms) Received: from iafnl.es.iaf.nl (uucp@iafnl.es.iaf.nl [195.108.17.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA01605 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:11:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA14332 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:07:01 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.5/8.6.12) id JAA09545; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 09:22:48 +0100 (MET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199712200822.JAA09545@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: DEC Alpha XL 366, can it run BSD? To: tom@kednos.com (Tom Linden) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 09:22:48 +0100 (MET) Cc: matt@3am-software.com, tsprad@metronet.com, port-alpha@netbsd.org, misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Tom Linden" at Dec 19, 97 07:25:34 am X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Tom Linden wrote... > I thought some of the XL's also had SRM. My 266 doesn't as the flash is > only 512K. So with the ARC console you have only two options, NT or > Linux. The issue is not how much flash memory you have, but if an SRM console exists at all. E.g. my NoName does not have enough flash to hold both ARC and SRM at the same time. I got mine with ARC inside, and overwrote that with SRM. Most machines, in contrast, have a flash that is big enough to hold the SRM and ARC at the same time. You can switch console modes from the console instead of re-flashing thing. Another interesting question might be if the NT (aka ARC only) boxes can/will run OSF/Unix PALcode. The story seems to be (?) that newer NT-only boxes no longer can do this. If I'm not mistaken this is another reason that NetBSD wants SRM. People will undoubtedly correct the above when I went astray. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl http://www.tcja.nl/~wilko |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands - Do, or do not. There is no 'try' ---------------- Support your local daemons: run [Free,Net]BSD Unix ------